Logfile from ifmud. ************************************************************************ ** ** ** Welcome to ifMUD! ** ** ** ************************************************************************ FAQ: http://www.allthingsjacq.com/ifMUDfaq/ IP: 66.114.68.227 MONKEY: Ook. If you... have an account Type "connect name password" to log in need an account Go to http://ifmud.port4000.com:4001/ and apply are just visiting Type "connect guest guest" to login as Guest want to see who's on Type "who" for a list of players online have problems Email markm - mark.musante@gmail.com TYPE connect, who, or quit: Login Succeeded ifMUD An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board quotebook url database with a parrot bot Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved. Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety. I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy." --Jearl NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced on the channel '#mud-updates'. OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are interested in this subject. To join, go to http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/ or talk to Steve. Robinson Manor A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness. You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob Visible Exits: west, east "An artist doesn't burn out with age because he works too much. Working hones his craft." No new channels have been created since your last check. Adventurer's Lounge Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north. You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List Players: Alex, markm, Bishop, GDorn, Touchy, DorianX, Jearl, Psmith, Whizzard, Ryan, Grocible, baf, jpt, Jon, Marktwo, lpsmith, Doug, McMartin, vaporware, Richie, maga, Allen, Dave, genericgeekgirl, vimes, marc, Tale, ghira, annabianca, DavidW, Yuri, Hugo, jenrexrode, Guenni, nothings, Firion, Emily Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east Rob comes right on in. Recapping 254 of 2325 lines from recent channels: [lounge]/13:38 Roger is the Samuel L. Jackson of 8 month old wolves. [movie]|13:38 Roger says, "Red Sonja. Wow this is a bad movie." [lounge]|13:52 BrenBarn busta. [quotations]|13:52 Nitku | My parents wont get any cats. When I get my own place you know what's gonna happen? CATS EVERYWHERE FUCKING CATS EVERYWHEREEEEEEEEEEE [lounge]|13:53 Johnny does like justice, but that's taking it a bit far. [quotations]|13:53 ghira says, "one cat can do a pretty good job of being everywhere" [quotations]|13:54 DavidW says, "They're not bad at fucking everywhere either." [food]|13:57 BrenBarn | GOOD FOOD, GOOD SERVICE, GOOD ATMOSPHERE! GLAD TO SEE ALL YOU CRY BABIES COMPLAINING, MAYBE THAT WILL KEEP THE LIKES OF YOU OUT OF HERE! WANT YOUR TASTE BUDS SATISFIED TO YOUR OWN TASTE, GO TO YOUR OWN RESTRAUNT, COOK IT YOURSELF AND CRY TO SOMEONE WHO CARES! [food]|13:58 BrenBarn | TO THE GOOFY CRITIC, YOUR LASTNAME DESCRIBES YOU TO A "D"! IT IS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT THE ONLY RECOGNITION YOU HAVE GOTTEN IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU GAVE THIS PLACE A DARK REVIEW. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN YOUR CAREER OTHER THAN, COMPLAIN OR GIVE POSITIVE REVIEWS TO THE FREE MEALS YOU ARE SERVED, GO HOME AND TRY NOT TO BE SUCH A "D"! [food]|13:58 BrenBarn | EAT, DRINK AND BRING YOUR CASH, MAMMA NEEDS A NEW CASA! [food]|13:58 DavidW says, "my my" [hardware]|13:59 Ryan says, "Woo, flashing the firmware on this old NAS's onboard CF seems to have made it stop instantly going into panicky error mode." [hardware]|13:59 Ryan says, "We'll see if it actually manages to get itself to a state where I can communicate with it." [food]|13:59 DavidW says, "I guess Gregory Douche won't be eating there again." [food]|14:00 inky says, ""a dark review" is kind of cool" [food]|14:01 BrenBarn says, "I can't even tell what 'goofy critic' she's talking about, there's no previous reviewer with 'D' as their last initial" [food]|14:02 inky says, "also, I like that the response to someone saying they don't like the food is that they should open their own restaurant and cook food for themselves" [food]|14:02 BrenBarn says, "yeah" [food]|14:02 BrenBarn says, "actually their own 'restraunt', which is even better" [food]|14:02 BrenBarn says, "also the title of that review is 'GO HOME HOWLIES...'" [twitter]|14:03 DorianX | Protip: Google searches for "Gotye" and "Goatse" have VERRRRY different results. [food]|14:04 BrenBarn says, "this one is kind of funny" [food]|14:04 BrenBarn | It was a slow night on a Monday. The service was okay, I guess.. But the meatloaf was not what I thought I ordered. When I asked the waiter where the gravy was he said it wasn't that kind of meatloaf. Then after tasting it, I realized it was the not very tastey kind! [food]|14:05 DavidW says, "The ol' Jedi food trick: These are not the meatloaves you're looking for." [lounge]|14:09 Roger goes home. [lounge]|14:09 * Roger has disconnected. [lounge]|14:10 Felix goes home. [wikipedia]|14:16 DorianX says, "weird" [wikipedia]|14:16 DorianX asks, "What are those things called at the bottom of some pages thqt have a table of different groups of things that the article belongs to?" [wikipedia]|14:17 DavidW says, "Some variety of template; I don't know the formal name." [wikipedia]|14:18 DorianX says, "Like on a page about Jean-Luc Picard, it might be "Star Trek" and there'd be a row for series giving all the series, and one for ships giving a bunch of ships, and a row for characters" [personals]|14:19 BrenBarn | Actively pursuing a "try everything once" lifestyle (except Everest - I don't want to deal with all the related health issues). [wikipedia]|14:21 inky says, "looks like it's a navbox" [wikipedia]|14:21 inky says, "or navigational template" [personals]|14:21 inky asks, "health issues?" [wikipedia]|14:21 DavidW says, "yeah, that seems to be the name for 'em." [personals]|14:21 inky says, "sherpitis" [personals]|14:21 BrenBarn says, "if everest is bigger than your face, you have face cancer" [wikipedia]|14:22 DorianX says, ";so anyway" [wikipedia]|14:22 DavidW says, "ifwiki uses a small handful of similar templates, mostly for game series." [wikipedia]|14:22 DorianX says, "the navbox for classes of auto racing does not have an entry for stock car racing" [wikipedia]|14:23 K-Y says, "if you start editing a page, you can get the full list of templates used in the page" [wikipedia]|14:23 K-Y says, "it'll be at the bottom, with links" [wikipedia]|14:24 DorianX says, ";THe only reason I asked was so that I could refer to it when I mentioned the strageness of stock car racing not being in that one" [wikipedia]|14:24 DorianX says, "It means that the big box that lists every kind of car racing does not list NASCAR" [wikipedia]|14:25 K-Y says, "I hope it also lists every fictional kind of car racing" [wikipedia]|14:26 K-Y says, "also, check the talk page and see if there was a huge edit war about it" [personals]|14:27 BrenBarn says, "this has a good punchline http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/mis/2996899631.html " [personals]|14:31 inky says, "heh" [wikipedia]|14:31 DorianX says, "This all started because leah asked me what kind of race car driver Mario Andretti is. And I said CART, but I wanted to check that was the right name for that kind of racign (Turns out that they stopped calling IndyCar "CART" in the 90s)" [wikipedia]|14:33 DorianX says, "I wanted to work out what the technical difference is between Indy and F-1. I still can't tell beyond "They're a bit different"" [lounge]|14:34 djfletch is thought to have been among those present. [news]|14:34 BrenBarn | The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration is in hot water after seeking a magician motivational speaker to teach leadership using "magic tools." [news]|14:35 inky says, "perhaps the hot water is due to global warming" [news]|14:35 BrenBarn says, "let me look into my crystal ball to see if that is true" [lounge]|14:38 * Marktwo has disconnected. [lounge]|14:38 * Marktwo has connected. [wikipedia]|14:39 Allen says, "I think the diff is "drive in a stupid circle" vs "weave all over the place." The technical difference, I mean" [lounge]|14:40 * Marktwo has disconnected. [lounge]|14:40 * Marktwo has connected. [wikipedia]|14:48 inky says, "it looks like CART and IndyCar merged" [movie]|14:48 K-Y says, "Samuel L. Jackson gets in a day-long Twitter pissing match with a critic who mildly disapproved" [movie]|14:48 K-Y asks, "can Twitter die in a fire now?" [movie]|14:49 inky asks, "disapproved of what?" [movie]|14:49 K-Y says, "of Avengers" [movie]|14:49 inky asks, "who would have thought Nick Fury would be so angry?" [movie]|14:50 BrenBarn says, "man" [movie]|14:51 BrenBarn says, "I hope some lols and emoticons were exchanged" [movie]|14:55 inky says, "I challenge you to a duel, sirrah -- LOLs at dawn" [facebook]|14:56 BrenBarn | hey sizzle chest, is that an asbestos crucifix? [lounge]|14:57 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign. [tangent]|15:05 Tale says, "Me and a friend tried to come up with movies where Jackson plays the bad guy" [tangent]|15:05 Tale says, "We could only think of "The Spirit"" [lounge]|15:06 * Tale has disconnected. [lounge]|15:06 * Tale has connected. [movie]|15:11 K-Y says, "anyway, I'm in line at the theater now" [movie]|15:12 Tale asks, "avengers?" [movie]|15:13 K-Y says, "quite" [movie]|15:13 Tale says, "It's popcorny fun." [movie]|15:18 K-Y says, "I wish this theater smelled less popcorny" [lounge]|15:25 Ellison says, "later" [lounge]|15:25 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst.. [lounge]|15:25 * Ellison has disconnected. [whiz-games]|15:26 Whizzard stretches. [whiz-games]|15:26 Whizzard says, "Shit." [whiz-games]|15:26 Whizzard says, "I just found that I left my eggs sitting on the counter and didn't refrigerate them." [whiz-games]|15:27 Psmith asks, "this is a problem?" [whiz-games]|15:27 Whizzard says, "Guess I'm gonna have to throw them out." [whiz-games]|15:27 Whizzard says, "I think so. It says to refrigerate them." [whiz-games]|15:27 Psmith says, "refrigerating eggs just makes 'em more likely to crack if you boil them." [whiz-games]|15:27 Whizzard says, "Helps keep bacteria down." [whiz-games]|15:28 Whizzard asks, "Oh? Do you not refrigerate eggs?" [whiz-games]|15:28 Psmith says, "unrefrigerated eggs will last a couple of weeks, no problem." [whiz-games]|15:28 Whizzard says, "Oh...hmmm." [whiz-games]|15:28 Whizzard says, "Well, that makes sense. It's not like the hens refrigerate them." [whiz-games]|15:28 Whizzard says, "That warning on the eggs looks pretty dire, though." [whiz-games]|15:29 Psmith says, "note that eggs in supermarkets (at least here) are sold from normal aisle shelves, not chiller cabinets." [whiz-games]|15:30 Whizzard says, "Well. I'm planning to hard boil these in general anywho, I guess it'll be okay." [whiz-games]|15:31 inky says, "this is a difference between the US and UK, I believe" [whiz-games]|15:31 inky says, "I think in the US they wash the eggs, which removes contamination on the shells but also washes off some protective coating" [whiz-games]|15:32 Whizzard heads to google. [rpg]|15:33 inky says, "man, I just don't have the patience to go through shadowrun character generation these days" [whiz-games]|15:33 Whizzard says, "Here's what I'm seeing. http://www.chow.com/food-news/54944/do-eggs-need-to-be-refrigerated/ " [rpg]|15:33 maga says, "it's kind of fiddly" [rpg]|15:34 maga says, "and hilariously imbalanced" [rpg]|15:36 Tale asks, "Using the point system?" [rpg]|15:38 inky says, "that's the only choice there is, as far as I know" [rpg]|15:39 inky says, "unless you want to take a pregen" [rpg]|15:39 Tale asks, "3e or 4e?" [rpg]|15:40 inky says, "4" [rpg]|15:40 Tale says, "Ah,haven't used that" [rpg]|15:40 inky says, "but I assume I'd have the same issues with 3" [rpg]|15:40 Tale says, "3e had that priority system" [rpg]|15:41 inky says, "I just don't really care enough about which of the dozen pistols is the best" [rpg]|15:42 maga says, "maybe this game is not for you" [rpg]|15:42 Tale says, "There isn't that big of a difference (in 3e)" [rpg]|15:43 inky says, "I probably wouldn't want to do a long-term game of it, yeah" [rpg]|15:43 inky says, "this is an occasional pickup game with my fiancee's brother and I lost my character from last time" [rpg]|15:43 Tale says, "We found our own playstyle and it works for us" [rpg]|15:44 maga says, "Shadowrun is all about 'Chug Darkly activated the mindlink to his Bugfuck & Himayaza 6.7e series, Korean model with inline scope, and selected hollow-point flechette fleshdestroyer ammo'" [lounge]|15:45 Nitku leaves. [rpg]|15:45 Tale says, "Well, my character is a minotaur and single dad. Let is suffice to say our playstyle is a bit different." [whiz-games]|15:46 ghira says, "I wonder if it depends on ambient temperature. I'll remember to check where eggs are in Sicily." [whiz-games]|15:46 Whizzard says, "Hmm, all right. There's a whole bunch of different stuff I'm seeing." [lpRPG]|15:46 maga says (to inky), "oh, hey, do you happen to know where I can find the character sheets Lucian's using? Jacq and I are thinking of doing the first bits of her character generation in advance" [whiz-games]|15:46 Whizzard says, "But I think I'll prolly be okay if I hard boil them all now." [whiz-games]|15:46 ghira says, "but yeah, in the UK eggs are just out there" [lpRPG]|15:46 inky says, "hmm" [lpRPG]|15:47 maga says, "(or she could just copy them out when we get there, o'course)" [lpRPG]|15:50 inky says, "this looks like it: http://www.ukroleplayers.com/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=Free+FATE+Character+Sheet " [whiz-games]|15:50 Whizzard says, "It looks like in the US, there are weird chemicals in the feed, and eggs are washed and coated with corn oil." [whiz-games]|15:50 Whizzard says, "Because we suck." [whiz-games]|15:52 ghira says, "I could very well imagine there's strange stuff in the feed here too. corn oil, I have no idea" [whiz-games]|15:54 Whizzard says, "Oh, cool. I bought good eggs..." [music]|15:58 Allen says, "huh, I had no idea that the guy who "Nom nom nom nom nom nom", "Baby Monkey going backwars on a pig", and "Porcupine eating a carrot" was the former lead singer of Nerf Herder" [lounge]|16:01 Roger is the Samuel L. Jackson of 8 month old wolves. [lpRPG]|16:01 lpsmith says, "Nice, that is indeed the one." [lpRPG]|16:02 lpsmith says, "I meant to make one more tailored for our game, but that works." [lpRPG]|16:03 lpsmith says (to maga), "Also, if she wants to do a generate-more-on-the-fly thing, a basic concept, a couple aspects, and the three top skills would be fine." [fadein]|16:11 Hugo says, "Dear emailer, I would love for Fade In to be available to your Blackberry Playbook." [fadein]|16:11 Hugo says, "If I didn't have to do it." [fadein]|16:11 Hugo says, "And if it was, in any way, on any planet, worth doing." [lounge]|16:18 Emily arrives. [weather]|16:19 jenrexrode says, "97" [weather]|16:21 Roger says, "It just stopped snowing here." [weather]|16:21 jenrexrode says, "no snow here 2012" [cooking]|16:21 Hugo says, "The whole slow-cooker thing is a lie." [weather]|16:21 jenrexrode says, "maybe next year" [weather]|16:22 Allen says, "snowing in may" [cooking]|16:22 jenrexrode says, "aw" [cooking]|16:22 inky asks, "it's faster than expected?" [cooking]|16:22 jenrexrode says, "heh" [cooking]|16:22 Hugo says, "Well, it didn't save me much work." [whiz-games]|16:23 Whizzard says, "Hmm. Not bad." [cooking]|16:23 Hugo says, "Plus I am very pessimistic about its chances, edibility wise." [whiz-games]|16:23 Whizzard says, "Looks like I cooked them enough." [whiz-games]|16:24 Psmith says, "now I want soft-boiled eggs with toast soldiers." [weather]|16:24 Roger says, "Yeah we usually get one last blast" [cooking]|16:24 Roger asks, "What did you make?" [food]|16:24 jenrexrode says, "corn, crema mexicana, butter, salt, chili power makes homemade corn in a cup" [whiz-games]|16:25 Whizzard says, "Yum." [food]|16:25 jenrexrode says, "but I used a bowl" [cooking]|16:25 Hugo says, "Chili!" [whiz-games]|16:25 Whizzard says, "My original plan was to hard-boil half of these." [whiz-games]|16:25 Whizzard says, "And the other half were to be for fried and soft-boiled." [cooking]|16:25 Roger says, "Hunh that should work although it's easy to end up with too much liquid" [whiz-games]|16:25 Whizzard says, "But, what with leaving them out, I figured I best hard-boil all of them." [cooking]|16:26 Hugo says, "I just mix it with coffee for a little extra zing in the morning." [cooking]|16:28 * djfletch has joined the channel. [weather]|16:29 * djfletch has joined the channel. [weather]|16:31 Allen says, "ok, it is hot" [weather]|16:31 Allen says, "I took trash to the back and the concrete burned my toes" [lounge]|16:33 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables. [weather]|16:37 jenrexrode says, "oww" [whiz-games]|16:37 Whizzard says, "Huh. Wacky." [whiz-games]|16:38 Whizzard says, "My fridge can hold 22 eggs." [whiz-games]|16:38 Whizzard says, "Or rather, has 22 little divots to hold eggs in." [whiz-games]|16:38 Whizzard says, "Guess they couldn't quite fit the last 2 in." [whiz-games]|16:41 Roger says, "Refridgerating eggs is kinda wacky to begin with" [lounge]|16:42 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please. [lounge]|16:43 Tale says, "El Guntherino" [lounge]|16:43 Gunther says, "gevnin mates" [whiz-games]|16:44 Whizzard says, "Well, apparently the US has fucked food up so bad that you need to here." [weather]|16:49 olethros asks, "is it melting?" [whiz-games]|16:49 Roger says, "Nah in the US they need to support the cadbury creme egg market" [weather]|16:49 Roger says, "Yep" [weather]|16:49 Roger says, "it'll all be gone soon" [whiz-games]|16:49 Gunther says, "re-hi" [lounge]|16:49 nothings was your mother much upon these years that you are now a maid, etc. [lounge]|16:50 Tale asks, "how was the bbq?" [lounge]|16:55 Gunther says, "naturally, there was a thunderstorm" [lounge]|16:55 Gunther says, "so we moved everyone to the carport and had a good time anyway" [lounge]|16:57 Tale says, "Cool" [lounge]|16:58 Emily goes home. [lounge]|16:58 * Emily has disconnected. [weather]|16:58 olethros says, "hee" [whiz-games]|17:07 Whizzard says, "reG" [lounge]|17:07 Whizzard says, "Yeah, I'm glad to be inside right now." [lounge]|17:07 Whizzard says, "The wind's howling outside." [lounge]|17:08 Gunther asks, "well we had a full week of summer so what better time to rain than for the exact two hours we wanted to bbq?" [lounge]|17:09 Tale says, "heh" [WWIII]|17:10 olethros says, "gitmo arraignments: boring" [WWIII]|17:10 olethros | Accused 9/11 plotters showing no interest [WWIII]|17:10 Fang says, "they should gamify the experience" [WWIII]|17:11 Fang says, "ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: Made a plea" [WWIII]|17:11 olethros | Pohl [the judge] said he has read very little, and categorically denied that he has spoken with others about Sept. 11. [WWIII]|17:11 olethros says, "really." [WWIII]|17:11 Gunther says, "ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: 1 hour of waterboarding" [WWIII]|17:12 Fang asks, "an achievement for just one hour?" [WWIII]|17:14 olethros says, "it's like holding the world record on something" [quotations]|17:15 olethros | conservative harrumph-ing [religion]|17:16 olethros says, "so fish (salmon, at least) was safe in the end" [lounge]|17:22 djfletch can produce a dozen witnesses to swear he was elsewhere. [lounge]|17:23 Roger goes home. [lounge]|17:23 * Roger has disconnected. [lounge]|17:23 borowski reminds you, "Due to the continuing narrative nature of our show, please do not divulge the contents of story lines to anyone. This script is for your eyes only. Thank you for your cooperation." [lounge]|17:26 Firion enters the lounge. Wait, wasn't he already here? Yes, he was! Firion kills his doppelganger as the MUD passes a resolution against human cloning. [WWIII]|17:27 Allen | The only female defence lawyer, Cheryl Bormann, asked the judge to order female members of prosecution to cover themselves up "so that our clients are not forced to not look at the prosecution for fear of committing a sin under their faith". Bormann was wearing an abaya. [WWIII]|17:29 inky says, "uh-hunh" [minicomp]|17:30 maga asks, "hmm. would it be a good idea or a terrible one to start uploading images now, but not let people start claiming them until tomorrow?" [WWIII]|17:30 (from nothings) inky says, "that was totally a burqa" [minicomp]|17:31 Firion asks, "Do we post on the board which one we're claiming, or do we PM someone?" [minicomp]|17:31 maga says, "you post a comment in the place where the images are" [minicomp]|17:31 maga says, "(which is a separate site, but doesn't require registration)" [minicomp]|17:33 Firion just hope he doesn't claim one that someone else does. [minicomp]|17:33 maga says, "well, that's why there are comments" [minicomp]|17:34 Firion asks, "Can you claim more than one if needbe?" [minicomp]|17:34 maga says, "you look at the site to see if someone else has commented first" [minicomp]|17:34 maga says, "no" [minicomp]|17:34 Firion says, "Hmmm." [minicomp]|17:34 maga says, "unless you've finished writing the game for the first image" [minicomp]|17:34 Firion asks, "How many images do we have?" [minicomp]|17:35 maga says, "right now, 82" [minicomp]|17:35 Firion whistles. "Not bad." [WWIII]|17:38 olethros says, "it is a valid request, I suppose" [lounge]|17:38 olethros says, "z" [lounge]|17:38 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse. [minicomp]|17:38 Tale says, "There won't be 82 games, I fear." [minicomp]|17:38 maga says, "will there be 82 games: it is very unlikely" [minicomp]|17:42 Firion says, "At least there will be plenty of choices." [lounge]|17:43 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it. [lounge]|17:43 inky says, "ok zip" [lounge]|17:43 inky aged seven years while in a paranormal dimension called Limbo, became a sorceress, and developed the mutant ability to create "teleportation discs." [lounge]|17:43 * inky has disconnected. [lounge]|17:50 Emily arrives. [religion]|17:59 DorianX says, " http://www.thinkatheist.com/profiles/blogs/bill-nye-bood-in-texas-for/ " [lounge]|18:03 Grocible says, "hey all" [lounge]|18:03 Grocible says, "just watched 2001: a Space Odyssey again" [lounge]|18:03 Grocible says, "what an amazingly awesome film" [lounge]|18:05 Grocible says, "on a kubrick kick" [lounge]|18:06 jenrexrode says, "hi" [lounge]|18:07 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven. [movie]|18:12 K-Y says, "woooo" [lounge]|18:13 Rob comes right on in. Recapped 254 of 2325 lines from recent channels. Current time: Saturday, 5 May 2012, 06:13:52 PM EDT No matching messages. Rob says, "groot" Grocible says, "hey rob" Grocible says, "rob: was just saying I rewatched 2001" jenrexrode says, "hi rob" Rob says, "I see that" Rob says, "the movie so good Gunther did a 180 on his opinion of it from hate fury to total admiration (once he actually saw it on a big movie screen instead of on video)" Grocible says, "yeah, it's kind of sad on video" Grocible says, "in 70mm it's just... something" Rob says, "the first few times I encountered it in my life it was always the friday night midnight movie on the local station" Grocible says, "Jan Harlan gave me the BluRay disc of it, but I couldn't play iy" Grocible says, "so I gave it back and he gave me the DVD instead" Rob says, "and I'd watch through the apes to the space station docking and then fall asleep from boredom shortly after the video phone call scene and then semi wake up startled when the monolith on the moon is discovered then fall asleep again and wake up during the trippy last 20 minutes" Rob says, "finally saw it in a theater at the Cinerama Dome in LA when I was about 23" Rob says, "which was a cool place to see it big and loud" Grocible says, "yeah, i saw it at the Seattle Cinerama in 70mm in 2001" Rob says, "and you see it that way and you're like ahhh I seee" Rob says, "and its pacing and everything suddenly click into place" Rob says, "and you realize this guy knew exactly what he was doing somehow" [springcomp] Emily asks, "er. I can't examine a chicken until I've picked it up?" [springcomp] Emily says, "this is a strange world." [springcomp] Rob says, "somehow this sums up a lot of the problems with a certain tier of IF" Grocible says, "yeah" [springcomp] maga says, "get used to picking those chickens up" [springcomp] Emily says (to maga), "I... am not really persuaded that I'm going to finish this game, based on what I've seen so far" [springcomp] Rob says, "also that tension between author and player, of the author wanting to assert authority 'no, you will do things my way the way I want you to', which is antithetical to the player's point of view, which is to leave me alone and let me at it how I wanna" [movie] Rob says, "there's an interview clip of spielberg I saw somewhere or other" [movie] Rob says, "where he's relating a conversation he had with kubrick" [movie] Rob says, "where kubrick was moping because he felt like his mission in life was to advance the art and medium of cinema and cinematic storytelling and he failed" [movie] Rob asks, "and spielberg is like wtf dude, what about 2001?" [movie] Rob says, "and kubrick kind of says ok yeah but only --> <--- this much" [springcomp] Emily says, "well, but there are lots of ways to kind of guide the player gently without being a dick" [movie] Grocible says, "heh" [movie] Rob says, "jumping from kubrick -> 2001 -> douglas trumbull -> showscan -> high frame-rate cinema" [movie] Grocible asks, "that Wired article?" [movie] Rob says, "to trumbull as recently as last year (when Tree of Life came out) still advancing the cause of high frame rate shooting and projection" [movie] Grocible asks, "about Cameron and Jackson?" [movie] Rob says, "to... Peter Jackson having filmed the Hobbit at a high frame rate" [movie] Grocible says, "it seems funny somehow that 48fps is fast" [movie] Rob says, "Trumbull saying, basically, fuck, now that it's digital video, there's no limit at all! except in people's tiny boxed in imaginations that are wrong" [movie] Rob says, "I'm not sure when I'll ever/finally get to see The Hobbit in its full frame rate but I'd like to" [movie] Grocible says, "i was talking about that today" [movie] Grocible says, "I figure I should be able to, as London generally gets stuff like this" [movie] Rob says, "it'll probably be just dandy at 24fps but I would like to see the high frame rate effect" [movie] Grocible says, "I'd pay extra for it" [movie] Rob says, "yeah you might be more fortunate in that respect" [movie] Grocible says, "it's not an *effect*, man! it's the future!" [movie] Rob says, "*someone* has got to be signing on to exhibit it at 48, but I dunno how those exhbititor negotiations are going" [movie] Grocible says, "I can't remember if the Hobbit is also 4K or not" [movie] Grocible says, "I remember it's got two Red cameras for the 3D with a mirror" [movie] Rob says, "I started to wonder if there were potential up-frame-rate-ing algorithms to be done that interpolate extra in-between frames for regular movies so that they can seem to have the extra frames and be prjected at advanced frame rates" [movie] Grocible says, "definitely" [movie] Grocible says, "it's already doable" [movie] Rob says, "hm gee Red cameras have been around for a while now" [movie] Rob says, "yeah" [movie] Grocible says, "there are slomo apps" [movie] Rob says, "I mean, standard DVDs make up frames already" [movie] Rob says, "as one indication" [movie] DorianX says, "Something in my brain makes it seem like 24 fps looks less cheap than higher frame rates" [movie] Grocible says, "so as soon as 48 fps projection" [movie] Grocible says, "welllll kinda" [movie] DorianX says, "I assume this is a learned thing" [movie] Rob says (to DX), "yes, I know what you mean" [movie] nothings says (to DorianX), "most likely ... right" [movie] Rob says, "yeah it partly is" [movie] Rob says, "it's also kind of the thing where interlaced video looks plastic for some reason" [movie] Grocible says, "I hate interlaced" [movie] Grocible says, "I've always disliked video" [movie] DorianX says, "Like, iirc, camcorders are even faster than ntsc for some reason, and it looks *real* cheap" [movie] Grocible says, "it has a smudgy shitty look, like viewing through scratched plexiglas" [movie] Grocible says, "it wasn't until digital video that I was like, okay, this is fine" [movie] Rob says, "I can recall being a kid of 10 or 12 or so and knowing there was a difference between interlaced video and film from what I was seeing, but not knowing what explained that difference (yet)" [movie] DorianX says, "It seems like depth of field enters into it somewhere" [movie] Grocible says, "I explained film sizes to a guy at work yesterday" [movie] Grocible says, "he had no idea at all about it" [movie] Rob says, "'why does All in the Family look like cheap plastic and MASH looks real-ish?' I thought to myself" My soul belongs to Portneuf yet my heart belongs to cheese. [movie] Grocible says, "which is funny to me, as it's like, I dunno, something so fundamentally basic" [movie] Grocible says, "like knowing that cars run on gasoline" [movie] Grocible says, "but he had no idea" [movie] Rob says, "then you see something like Doctor Who where it alternates between grainy-but-kind-of-real-and-fake-plastic" [movie] Rob says (to Grocible), "yeah" [movie] Grocible says, "yeah Doctor Who was classic in that low budget shitty way" [movie] DorianX says, "With old TV, it's really visible. The Twilight Zone has some episodes that were shot on film and som shot on video, and the ones shot on film look like movies and the ones shot on video look like television" [movie] Grocible says, "also a lot of the effect that you're thinking of is vidicon tubes" [movie] Grocible says, "the way highlights would smear" [movie] Grocible says, "and lag behind" [movie] DorianX asks, "Seems like things shot onvideo are, like, all in focus?" [music] nothings says, "well, i appear to have 25 days of rock music in itunes" [movie] DorianX says, "Like, everything is in focus all the time, but it makes it look flat" [music] nothings says, "at 2 hours a day, that would take me most of a year to get through" [movie] Rob says, "it's funny, the doctor who restoration team invented this method of reverse-pulldown to get a simulation of the original 25 frame (or 50 interlaced) PAL video from NTSC converted 24fps film dubs that restores the plastic look of the original broadcasts" [movie] Rob says, "but the converted 3:2:2 grainy filmic look of the transfers they re-engineered it from look somehow sometimes more 'real' than the resulting original video look" [movie] Grocible says, "plus film and videotapes deteriorate so badl" [movie] Grocible says, "all those pop videos from the 80s falling to bits" [movie] Rob asks, "film deteriorates badly?" [movie] Rob says, "oh hm" [movie] Grocible says, "colour film from the 70s particularly does" [movie] Rob says, "but that's because they edited and stored the final edited masters on video in the 80s" [movie] Grocible says, "look at star wars" Miseri regularly eats multiples of things inky wouldn't eat more than zero of. Miseri says, "arrr" [movie] Rob says, "I'm not sure what caused the deterioration of the star wars negatives" Miseri says, "and dammit, construction holidays this year are 22 July to 4 August." [movie] Grocible says, "shitty film" [movie] Rob says, "though I'm aware that it was a huge problem mere 20 years later for the 1997-98-99 rereleases" [movie] Grocible says, "in the 70s Kodak made fucking awful film" [movie] Grocible says, "the dyes break down and shift" [movie] Grocible says, "same with slides" [movie] Rob says, "meanwhile there are 100 year old nitrate negatives that, if you can safely scan them, look awesome" [movie] Rob says, "they got better after that" marc goes home. marc has disconnected. [movie] Grocible says, "Kodak Kodakchromes from decades ago look great. Ektachromes look like faded puke" [movie] Rob says, "strangely enough they made awesome super-8 film while making crappy motion picture 35" [movie] Grocible says, "yeah but nitrate film is lethal" [movie] Rob says, "I hated ektachrome" [movie] Grocible asks, "have you seen photos of the British film archives?" [movie] Rob says, "which I only encountered when I went to film school" [movie] Grocible says, "they have sealed chambers for storing nitrate film. Above each chamber is a huge water tank" [movie] Grocible says, "so if the film ignites the ceiling breaks" [movie] Rob says, "also there was this split between Plus-X and Tri-X black and white super8 when I was going through that" [movie] Grocible says, "and all the water falls in" [movie] Grocible says, "each chamber is a small room" [movie] Allen asks, "that sucks. Can't they afford Halon?" [movie] Rob says, "I had one professor be totally impressed that I'd used the stock that needed a lot more professional light to get a solid image but looked massively better super8 stock rather than the cheaper one that everyone else used" [movie] Grocible says, "I can only presume there's a reason they don't use halon" [movie] Rob says, "but it wasn't even remotely a tough call for me" [movie] Rob says, "also, I've been wanting to say for the last four or five minutes, how great it is that I have friends I can geek out about this kind of stuff with" [movie] Grocible says, "I was talking with Jan (I'm sorry I keep going on and on about him but it's so amazing) about degradation of negs, and he was was talking about the Stanley Kubrick book he did with Taschen" [movie] Grocible says, "they were able to include 70mm film clips with each book" [movie] Grocible asks, "so I said, wasn't that expensive?" [movie] Grocible says, "and he said no" [movie] Grocible says, "they had these reels that couldn't be projected" [movie] Grocible asks, "so I said, were they scratched?" [movie] Grocible says, "and he said, nope. Multitrack audio!" [movie] Rob says, "it's this weird thing where the casual interest in IF as a hobby has brought all these various wide ranging types of geeks together to just chat about whatever is their keen interest" [movie] Grocible says, "the magnetic strip falls off the film with time" [movie] Grocible says, "so they have these 70mm spools with awesome footage" [movie] Rob asks, "wait, who is Jan?" [movie] Grocible says, "and the audio is just brown dust" has connected. zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, rich crimson this time of day. [movie] Rob says, "whoa" [movie] Grocible says, "Jan Harlan is Stanley Kubrick's brother in law. he produced the Shining, Full Metal Jacket, AI, etc" [movie] Rob says, "ok" [movie] Rob asks, "did you meet him because of your apple job?" [movie] Grocible says, "Nope" [movie] Rob asks, "photo career?" [movie] Grocible asks, "you know that Stanley Kubrick lens?" [movie] Rob says, "ah yeah!" [movie] Rob says, "you were going on about that as of late" [movie] Rob says, "but I might have missed the Jan Harlan anecdotes before now" [movie] Grocible says, "yeah I tracked one of the three lenses down to him" [movie] Rob says, "also, who is Taschen" [movie] Grocible says, "and it turns out he's the nicest guy you'll ever meet" [movie] Grocible says, "and I've been helping him with a few things" [movie] Rob says, "excellent" [movie] Grocible says, "the other day he popped by and Jennifer was in freakout mode over a paper that was de" [movie] Grocible says, "due" [movie] Grocible says, "so I said, hey, let's go to the garden" [movie] Grocible says, "so I went out to the garden with him" [movie] Grocible says, "and the afternoon sun was filtering through the trees" [movie] Grocible says, "the blossoms from the plum trees were gently drifting down" [movie] Rob says, "did you bring a camera" [movie] Grocible says, "and I got to hang out with this guy and listen to his stories" [movie] Rob says, "super nice" [movie] Grocible says, "and it was one of those moments in my life where I'm like - holy shit. this is unreal" [movie] Grocible says, "Benedikt Taschen is the founder of Taschen Books, the biggest art book publisher on the planet" [movie] Rob says, "oh ok, guess I should remember the name" [movie] Rob googles Taschen Books and is impressed right away [movie] Rob says, "is Jan pronounced Yan or Jan" [movie] Grocible says, "Yan. he's German" [movie] Rob says, "ok that was my first instinct" [movie] Grocible says, "he's the brother of Christiane Kubrick, who was the singer in Paths of Glory at the end" [movie] Rob says, "ah yes" [celebrities] jenrexrode says, "good old Karl Pilkington" [movie] Rob says, "I know who you mean" [movie] Grocible says, "the German girl in the bar" [celebrities] Rob says, "are you watching ricky gervais episodes" [celebrities] jenrexrode says, "idiot abroad" [celebrities] Rob says, "or was he here in austin knockin about" [movie] Rob says, "yes" [celebrities] jenrexrode says, "if I had to have dinner with a celeb, I'd pick him" [movie] Rob says, "so he was kubrick's brother-in-law who became the eventual producer of his last few films" [movie] Allen asks, "hey, is the publisher Deutscher Taschen Verlag?" [movie] Grocible says, "Yeah" [movie] Rob says, "including the final posthumous one" [movie] Grocible says, "Right" [movie] Grocible says, "he was hired to work on Napoleon" [movie] Grocible says, "because he speaks German" [celebrities] Rob says, "I'd enjoy talking to him for one evening" [movie] Grocible says, "Allen: well, that's the German division" [movie] Grocible says, "Benedikt Taschen spends a lot of time in LA now" [celebrities] Rob says, "I sometimes riffle at how he's berated in the podcast for his random ideas" [movie] Grocible says, "he bought the Chemosphere house" [movie] Allen says, "I have a moderately expensive facsimile of a book from 1600 by them" [celebrities] Rob says, "sometimes they are actually howlingly funny but sometimes he's got a point and they still make fun of him even though they sound like douchebags for making fun of him fo rit" [movie] Grocible says, "sounds right" [movie] Rob asks, "the what house?" [movie] Grocible says, "they do classic art books like that" [celebrities] jenrexrode says, "yeah, I think he's smarter than Ricky" [movie] Grocible says, "but also books about sex and stuff that sell bazillions" [movie] Grocible says, "rob: google it. you'll quite possibly recognize it from the photos" [movie] Grocible says, "it's this flying saucer perched in the Hollywood hills" [movie] Allen says, "oh this thing" [movie] Grocible says, "it's deeply impractical as you can't just walk into it" [movie] Grocible says, "there's a funicular" [movie] zarf says, "yay" [movie] Allen says, "I read an article on octagon houses a couple years ago, that was mainly on versions made from like 1780, but this was pictured in it. I'd seen pictures before" [movie] Grocible says, "Jan did the Kubrick Archives book with Taschen, and a whole book on Napoleon" [movie] Grocible says, "the film Kubrick never made" [movie] Grocible says, "but did a mindfuckingly huge amount of research for first" [movie] Allen says, "oh, "funicular". I didn't know what that was called" [movie] zarf says, "I think I remember this as being the basis for Tony Stark's mansion in the movies, which is a silly thing to remember it as" [movie] Grocible says, "they're also working on a couple new projects, but I'm probably not supposed to talk about them" [movie] Grocible says, "interestingly enough, one is with my cousin in law. Which is a random coincidence" [movie] Rob asks, "who's your cousin in law and what does he do?" [movie] Rob says, "or she, I guess" Roger is the Samuel L. Jackson of 8 month old wolves. [movie] Rob says, "the first iron man movie was on tv last night and I rewatched it for the first time in 4 years, so I have this current mental image of the stark mansion" [firstworldproblems] Roger says, "ran out of paypal money and need to wait 6-8 days for the transfer =(" [movie] Grocible says, "Piers Bizony" [movie] Grocible says, "author. he's written a big book on 2001" [movie] Grocible says, "bringing us back to the original topic" [movie] Rob says, "what a name" [movie] Rob says, "hooray" [movie] Rob says, "I love a self-circular convo" [firstworldproblems] Rob says, "heh" [whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Huh." [movie] Rob says, "probably means it's time I did something else for the next half hour" [whiz-games] Whizzard says, " http://www.weather.com/travel/business/best-worst-airports-20120502 " [language] Allen | IT'S a curious fact about the Arabic language that it has no pronoun for "she", nor for "he": the same pronoun is used for both. I'll hold off on my own speculation for now. Can you think of anything that might explain this? [language] Allen | Chinese, by contrast, has an elaborate set of pronouns in which not only "he" and "she" are distinguished as in English, but "they" (all male or mixed) and "they" (all female) are distinguished, and there are two different you-singular words and two different you-plural words, one for males, one for females. Think, for a moment, about why Chinese differs so signally from Arabic in this regard, and then read on. [whiz-games] Rob says, "as pretty as an airport" [language] Allen | Did you come up with any explanation? [movie] Grocible asks, "what could be more interesting though?" [language] Rob says, "hmmMMm" [movie] Rob says, "just chilling out outside and waiting for the supermoon to rise in the east" [language] Allen | I hope not. Those who know Arabic or Chinese know that this is a cheap trick. The description I applied to Arabic is actually true of Chinese. The "Chinese" description is true of Arabic. [language] Rob says, "whuh" [language] Rob says, "or maybe" [movie] K-Y says, "well, I was on the verge of saying something about Avengers" [language] Rob says, "whah" [movie] Rob says, "aiieee spoilers not seeing it until tuesday" [movie] zarf says, "I may rent IM2 just to have something to occupy my brain tonight, and then go see Avengers this week" [language] Allen | But if your brain quickly constructed a scenario that explained why Arabic "doesn't" mark its pronouns for gender and Chinese "does", based on these scanty and false data, you're actually fairly normal. [movie] K-Y says, "well, nothing specific" [whiz-games] Whizzard says, "I'm just amused that my local airport got top honors." [movie] Rob says, "the first two teaser ads for it made jokes that made my inner 7 year old happy and encouraged and I've avoided everything since" [language] K-Y says, "that description of Arabic does not apply to Chinese" [language] K-Y says, "so that's another lie" [whiz-games] Whizzard says, "That said, I can see it. MSP is way better than the other airports I've been to." [language] Allen says (to K-Y), "yeah, the massive comment section seems to go into that" Rob says, "yeah, back later" Rob says, "smrnf" Rob heads right on out. Find release from your cares. have a good time. Seeya later.