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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
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  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
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Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob, fake_Robb_Sherwin
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> When he said that, it gave me the ending of my book.
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday nothings!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder, Sarcasm Detector, Gene Ray
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, small, Ryan, GDorn, jpt, Bishop, Allen, ctmiller, baf, Jon, DorianX, Matthew, genericgeekgirl, Otis, Jearl, vimes, Psmith, lpsmith, zaphod, McMartin, Dave, marc, ghira, Marktwo, annabianca, inky, zarf, Ellison, BrenBarn, DavidW, K-Y, boucher, Lucea, jenrexrode, Whizzard, vaporware, Johnny, olethros
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 2420 lines from recent channels:
[food]/14:30 Ryan asks, "Do I need to worry about botulism, or is this normal?"
[food]|14:31 Gunther says, "oh man, better ask Yahoo Answers"
[news]|14:31 jenrexrode | On the other hand, it?s important to keep the surface of that brine open to the air. If you seal the pickle tightly with a lid, carbon dioxide?a natural byproduct of fermentation?will build up and create pressure that could cause leaks or even spray pickle juice everywhere when you open the lid. Salt-brine pickles ferment at room temperature, not in the fridge, and it?s best to leave them in a dark place like a cabinet. Because the jars stand open to the air, it?s a good idea to cover them with a towel to keep out dust and random flies. It is also wise to put your jar on top of a kitchen towel or in an open tupperware that will catch any drips.
[news]|14:32 Ryan says, "Huh."
[news]|14:32 jenrexrode | http://awesomepickle.com/storing-your-pickles-safely-while-they-ferment/
[news]|14:32 Ryan says, "The co-op person didn't mention that."
[news]|14:33 Gunther asks, "should auld recipes be forgot and never brought to mind? should auld recipes be forgot, and auld lang brine?"
[news]|14:33 jenrexrode says, "oops"
[news]|14:33 olethros says, "there is something peculiar about our persons, I think"
[news]|14:33 inky says (to Gunther), "hee hee"
[news]|14:33 Gunther says, "we ALL like a channel"
[news]|14:34 jenrexrode says, "heh"
[lounge]|14:34 BrenBarn busta.
[lounge]|14:34 jenrexrode says, "hiya"
[books]|14:34 olethros says (to gunther), "to be sure"
[holidays]|14:34 olethros says, "I noticed the most peculiar thing"
[holidays]|14:34 olethros says, "almost everybody thinks we are foreigners"
[holidays]|14:34 olethros says, "(despite the fact that most tourists here are greek)"
[holidays]|14:35 inky says, "well, you have money"
[holidays]|14:35 Gunther says, "you know what they say"
[holidays]|14:35 Gunther says, "beware of greeks bearing .gifs"
[holidays]|14:36 olethros says, "and we were walking through some little mountain village today; we said hello to two old folks sitting on a threshold in the shade; they replied and asked us were we were from and then one of them said 'I am asking because I thought you looked like emigrates'"
[holidays]|14:36 olethros says, "or maybe emigrants"
[holidays]|14:36 Gunther says, "well, you are"
[holidays]|14:36 olethros asks, "but how can one tell?"
[holidays]|14:36 Gunther says, "lack of tan, SOFT hands"
[holidays]|14:36 ghira says, "who's that? dunno. must be an emigrant? why? he doesn't have shit all over him."
[holidays]|14:36 olethros snrk
[holidays]|14:37 olethros says, "to be sure, the local greeks are easily distinguishable"
[holidays]|14:37 olethros says, "but that's just because of the large moustaches"
[holidays]|14:37 inky says, "ha ha"
[holidays]|14:37 (from ghira) olethros says, "especially the women"
[holidays]|14:37 olethros says, "ha ha ha"
[holidays]|14:38 olethros says, "there was this really 'typical' greek fisherman who seemed to have an actual costume on"
[holidays]|14:38 ghira asks, "Is K working on handlebars and/or muttonchops as we speak?"
[holidays]|14:38 olethros says, "light blue-white checkered shirt, blue pants, blue cap, bespoke traditional shoes"
[holidays]|14:38 inky asks, "are you sure they don't just think you're a non-local greek?"
[holidays]|14:38 olethros says, "long, flowing white beard."
[holidays]|14:38 olethros says (to inky), "yeah, well they speak to me in english"
[holidays]|14:39 inky says, "I guess emigrant implies non-greek"
[holidays]|14:39 inky says, "ah"
[holidays]|14:39 olethros says (to inky), "this guy specifically thought we were non-greek residents. Maybe because we were not speaking sufficiently loud"
[holidays]|14:39 inky says, "ha ha"
[holidays]|14:40 Gunther asks, "you were not stinking drunk on ouzo while eating a pound of shrimp on a pound of lamb?"
[holidays]|14:40 olethros says, "so anyway, this old geezer appeared to be loitering around this cafe specifically so that he could attract the attention of tourists. He was such a graphic figure it cannot have been accidental"
[holidays]|14:40 inky asks, "he wanted to get paid to pose for photos?"
[holidays]|14:40 olethros says, "tourists would pretend to take a picture of somethign else, only to 'stealthily' turn at the last minute, taking an obvious sly picture of him. He'd grin oblidgingly"
[holidays]|14:41 inky says, "ha ha"
[holidays]|14:41 olethros says, "I think he rather enjoyed himself, but he asked for no coin^Wmoney"
[holidays]|14:41 Gunther says, "then throw moussaka at them"
[holidays]|14:41 olethros says, "I think he was a lure for the shop"
[holidays]|14:41 olethros says, "'oh this old guy is sitting there this must be a good palce to eat'"
[holidays]|14:42 olethros says, "meanwhile, at teh main town's harbor, there are dozens of tavernas. NOne of them full to capacity, but with a reasonable number of people each. Save for one forlorn tavern, whose 4 working staff and proprietor were grumpily sitting at a table, looking gloomy"
[holidays]|14:42 ghira says, "AB certainly uses the "is there anyone in there?" test"
[English]|14:43 Gunther says, "oh this reminds me"
[lounge]|14:43 BrenBarn says, "hi"
[English]|14:43 Gunther asks, "would anyone (still?) find the term "jappo" insulting?"
[holidays]|14:43 olethros says, "it's always a good one - though these days the distribution of people at places is heavily skewed by tripadvisor/yelp"
[English]|14:43 ghira says, "I don't recall the last time I saw or heard it"
[English]|14:43 BrenBarn says, "a lot of people might not even recognize it"
[English]|14:43 ghira asks, "is it something from a comic strip from the 70s or something?"
[English]|14:44 ghira says, "It sounds like something a character in a WWII action comic for boys produced in the 70s might say"
[weird-science]|14:44 Fang | Nature profiles mathematician Peter Turchin, who says he can see meaningful cycles in history. Worryingly, Turchin predicts a wave of violence in the United States in 2020. Quoting from the piece: 'To Peter Turchin, who studies population dynamics at the University of Connecticut in Storrs, the appearance of three peaks of political instability at roughly 50-year intervals is not a coincidence. For the past 15 years, Turchin has been taking the mathematical techniques that once allowed him to track predator-prey cycles in forest ecosystems, and applying them to human history. He has analyzed historical records on economic activity, demographic trends and outbursts of violence in the United States, and has come to the conclusion that a new wave of internal strife is already on its way.
[holidays]|14:44 olethros says, "anyway, that's it for Naxos updates."
[holidays]|14:44 olethros says, "should anybody else want postcards, mudmail me or something"
[weird-science]|14:44 Fang says, "well, maybe pseudoscience, really."
[holidays]|14:45 ghira says, "a key technique is not looking at stupid times. e.g. Italians who post messages on newsgroups about how hard it was to find dinner in Edinburgh at 22:30"
[holidays]|14:46 ghira says, "or brits trying to find restaurants in Italy at 17:30 or 18:00"
[holidays]|14:46 inky says (to olethros), "hunh, interesting"
[holidays]|14:46 inky says, "I didn't think yelp made such a difference but I guess it makes sense"
[holidays]|14:46 olethros says (to inky), "it is true though"
[holidays]|14:46 olethros says, "an out of town person is more likely to go to one of the top places in yelp than anywhere else"
[holidays]|14:47 inky says, "yeah"
[holidays]|14:47 inky says, "I guess it's not like they would have another idea where to go"
[holidays]|14:48 ghira says, "In Atlanta/Savannah we made a map of vegetarian places but also walked past places and went "hmm""
[holidays]|14:48 olethros says, "and tourists are by definition out of town"
[holidays]|14:48 ghira says, "one evening in Edinburgh the "walk past places and say 'hmm'" phase lasted a very long time"
[holidays]|14:48 olethros says, "yeah, naxos town is small enough for people to be able to go 'hm'"
[holidays]|14:49 olethros says, "though there are some nice places out in the mountains which you are unlikely to randomly come across"
[videogames]|14:49 Gunther says, " http://i.imgur.com/3x8Wz.png "
[holidays]|14:49 ghira says, "as is Savannah. and broadly speaking even in Atlanta we only go places not reachable on foot if there's something special about them. e.g. the Flying Biscuit qualifies."
[holidays]|14:49 olethros says, "(we had lunch at a small tavern on the other side of the island, which was better than anything else we tried in the main town)"
[holidays]|14:49 olethros says, "(though we went there for the beach, mainly)"
[holidays]|14:49 ghira says, "brighton, for example, is very much a "say hmm" kind of place"
[holidays]|14:49 ghira says, "there are so many places to eat"
[holidays]|14:50 olethros says, "Cannes is the worst"
[English]|14:50 Allen asks, "is jappo a variant on jap?"
[holidays]|14:50 olethros says, "there are 100s of places and most of them have at least an hnourable mention in some guide/website"
[videogames]|14:50 K-Y says, "oh, the Tiny Tower guys"
[videogames]|14:50 inky says, "ha ha"
[holidays]|14:50 ghira says, "though as it happens the place we ended up eating in Brighton after the mudmeet has a pretty good rep"
[English]|14:50 Allen says, "nap and nip are still offensive"
[English]|14:50 Allen says, "er, jap and nip"
[videogames]|14:51 inky says, "the metafilter comment was | Pity they can't both lose. Oh wait. It's a lawsuit! They can!"
[videogames]|14:51 Gunther says, "no, EA needs to win here"
[videogames]|14:51 Gunther says, "they can be destroyed later"
[videogames]|14:51 Gunther says, "Zynga is more important"
[holidays]|14:52 olethros says, "that was indeed quite good"
[holidays]|14:52 olethros says, "and now, to have some dinner bits"
[lounge]|14:52 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[TV]|14:56 Gunther | A man whose life was the focus of "The Corner," a book about a year on a drug-plagued Baltimore street corner, has died.
[TV]|14:56 inky says, "oh hrm"
[TV]|14:56 inky says, "somehow I assumed this was about the wire again"
[TV]|14:57 nothings says, "fooled by gunther's channel choice"
[lounge]|15:00 josh_g will call him Pootel; Henry Pootel for short.
[TV]|15:03 Gunther says (to inky), "same director/writer"
[TV]|15:03 Gunther says, "also, he acted in The Wire"
[lounge]|15:07 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|15:07 Olly says, "Hello, MUDfolk."
[lounge]|15:07 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[...]|15:08 Gunther says, " http://www.redorbit.com/news/video/health_2/1112544364/vodka_tampons_latest_teen_fad/ "
[...]|15:08 Gunther says, "Video won't play for me, so just '...'"
[...]|15:08 inky says, "hmm"
[...]|15:08 inky says, "I feel like I've seen this on snopes or something"
[...]|15:09 Gunther says, "I would not be surprised"
[...]|15:09 Gunther says, "from the same site:"
[...]|15:09 inky says, "ah here: http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/vodka.asp "
[...]|15:09 Gunther | Unnecessary Radiation Exposure Suffered By Millions
[TV]|15:09 nothings says, "oh, it was adapted into TV as well, just not mentioned in the quote"
[...]|15:09 Gunther says, "goddamn you, sun"
[...]|15:09 inky says, "hee hee"
[amazon]|15:09 Allen asks, "what the?? You can now only buy mp3 albums that get put in your cloud player, and you have to download each individually?"
[amazon]|15:11 Allen says, "GRRRR"
[amazon]|15:11 K-Y says, "now that they are properly licensed with the major labels"
[amazon]|15:11 K-Y says, "have to do things properly you know"
[amazon]|15:11 Gunther asks, "er, what?"
[amazon]|15:12 Allen says, "oh, never mind, the linux amazon downloader is working"
[amazon]|15:12 K-Y says, "all the changes coincided with the announcement whereby they signed said agreements"
[amazon]|15:12 Allen says, "(not the official one--that one doesn't work on recent linuxes)"
[amazon]|15:13 K-Y says, "and launched their competition to iTunes Match"
[amazon]|15:13 Allen asks, "is their selection improved any?"
[amazon]|15:14 K-Y says, "I can't tell"
[lounge]|15:15 Dave says, "morning"
[...]|15:16 ghira says, "I have heard of this intermittently for years mostly as an urban legend"
[...]|15:17 ghira says, "and I'm pretty sure feministing or feministe or somewhere had an article years ago where someone tried it and said it was not easy to actually do and totally not worth it"
[TV]|15:19 nothings says, " http://davidsimon.com/deandre-mccullough-1977-2012/ "
[ollyprattle]|15:20 Olly says :(
[TV]|15:21 nothings says, "Lamar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGGrvn44LNA "
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:33 Gunther asks, "is the Phantom Time theory known/popular outside German-speaking Europe?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:34 BrenBarn says, "I wouldn't say it's popular"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:34 BrenBarn says, "I read about it on wikipedia once but I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:35 Gunther says, "well, it's bullshit, but that's never stopped anyone cough ron paul cough antivaxers cough endless list"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:35 Olly says, "I don't think I've ever heard of it."
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:35 inky asks, "you know about the phantom tollbooth, right?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:36 BrenBarn says, "it's like that, only with time instead of a toolbooth"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:36 BrenBarn says, "er, tollbooth"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:36 Gunther says, "yeah, the en.wikipedia site is vastly less comprehensive than the de."
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:36 BrenBarn says, "thank heaven for that"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:37 Gunther says, "why do you hate knowledge and Jimmy Wales, brenbarn"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:37 BrenBarn says, "Jimmy Wales never existed according to the Phantom Wales theory"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:38 Gunther says, "the way this hypothesis is calculated is ... pretty ... ummm ... fantastic."
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:39 BrenBarn says, "maybe since germany has those laws saying you can't deny the holocaust people were like 'dammit we gotta deny SOMETHING happened...'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:40 inky says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:42 Gunther says, "little do we know these "lost" 300 years were erased from history by aliens due to the rise and reign of ... MECHA-HITLER"
[lounge]|15:42 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:42 Gunther says, "other things I learned about today include http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Gigas "
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:43 inky says, "that is one big-ass codex"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:43 inky says, "ha ha, that's actually what it means"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:43 Gunther says (to inky), "quite literally as you shall soon discover"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:43 Gunther says, "quite literally in MORE THAN ONE WAY"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:43 Gunther | 310 leaves of parchment allegedly made from the skins of 160 donkeys
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:44 inky says, "wow"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:44 inky | On Friday 7th May 1697, a fierce fire broke out at the royal castle in Stockholm, and the Royal Library suffered very badly. The codex was rescued from the flames by throwing it out of a window. The codex apparently injured a bystander
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:44 Gunther says, "also"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:44 Gunther says, "yeah"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:44 Gunther says, "'apparently'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:44 inky says, "the bystander was not available for comment"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:44 inky says, "because he was DEAD"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:44 Gunther says, "at 165lb it's a miracle nobody actually died"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:44 Gunther says, "lbs, even"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:45 Gunther | About half of the Codex consists of the entire Latin Bible in the Vulgate version
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:45 Gunther says, "i.e. with a lot of swearing"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:46 Gunther says, ""I tell you motherfuckers, you'll sooner stuff a fucking camel through a needle's eye than the fucking 1% well see my goddamn dad""
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:46 Gunther says, "will*"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:47 Gunther says, "awesome, it's been digitized"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:54 BrenBarn says, "this devil picture is pretty goofy"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:54 Gunther says, "also this is the worst diaper to change"
[seattle]|16:00 maga asks, "man, what's with the obnoxious flyovers today?"
[seattle]|16:01 inky says, "blue angels"
[seattle]|16:01 inky says, "part of seafair"
[seattle]|16:02 maga says, "I was wondering if it was that"
[movie]|16:04 Gunther | Porn In The Hood [...] earned the title of the highest grossing French-language film in France this year
[movie]|16:04 Gunther says, "grossing indeed"
[seattle]|16:05 maga says, "though it seems to me as though any squadron called the Blue Angels should do more cabaret and less low-altitude flying"
[seattle]|16:05 vimes says, "i would be highly entertained by a blue angels burlesque/cabaret show"
[movie]|16:06 Dave says, "I've heard very bad things about the new Total Recall"
[movie]|16:07 Nitku says, "Total Recall: Porn In The Hood"
[movie]|16:07 vimes says, "what i've heard: beat-by-beat redo of the old total recall movie, great effects, lots of fun, ignore the several scientific absurdities and don't plan to watch it twice"
[movie]|16:08 Dave says, "but no trip to Mars"
[movie]|16:08 Dave says, "and frankly, I thought the first one was dumb"
[movie]|16:08 Gunther says, "I saw a trailer and it was -- surprise -- big and loud and dumb"
[movie]|16:08 inky says, "I don't think it can be a beat-by-beat redo if they don't go -- yeah"
[movie]|16:08 Gunther says, "also, Farell wasn't, isn't, and never will be a leading man."
[lounge]|16:09 Dave says, "I'm at Panera"
[lounge]|16:09 Dave says, "and the network is really crappy today"
[lounge]|16:10 Gunther says, "as everyone's livestreaming the olympics"
[TV]|16:10 Gunther says, "oh boy, "Scorpius Gigantus""
[TV]|16:10 Gunther says, "I wonder what that movie is about"
[TV]|16:11 Dave exclaims, "Lions!"
[TV]|16:11 vimes asks, "a huge hybrid gas/electric company that wrote a version of unix?"
[TV]|16:11 vimes says, "oh wait, that would be scoprius gigantus"
[TV]|16:11 Gunther says, "groan"
[TV]|16:12 Gunther says, "also it seems to be about amateur hour"
[lounge]|16:13 Dave says, "yeah I gotta go home - this is ridiculous"
[TV]|16:13 Gunther says, "...wow, this has to be seen to be believed"
[lounge]|16:13 Dave says, "be back in about 15 minutes"
[TV]|16:13 Gunther says, "civilian truck with military personnel runs across a wooden cart, broken down, on the road"
[TV]|16:14 Gunther says, "it's an ambush!! the cart explodes, instantly destroying earth physics, momentum, and similar things"
[TV]|16:14 Gunther says, "soldiers ragdoll in a way that would make the Unreal Engine blush in shame"
[TV]|16:14 Gunther says, "giant scorpions then apparently write the movie summary for IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443629/ "
[movie]|16:15 BrenBarn says, "and if they don't go to mars, that must mean it doesn't include the classic line, 'Get yoah ahss to Mahs.  Get yoah ahss to Mahs.'"
[movie]|16:17 Gunther says, "yes, the original isn't very good either"
[movie]|16:18 BrenBarn says, "the original is pretty classic though"
[movie]|16:20 Gunther says, "classic? yes. still terrible? yes."
[movie]|16:21 BrenBarn says, "it's not terrible by any means"
[movie]|16:23 Gunther says, "let me count the ways"
[movie]|16:23 Gunther says, "...28"
[TV]|16:24 Gunther says, "this dialogue."
[TV]|16:24 Gunther says, ""I'm looking for Creston."
[TV]|16:25 Gunther says, "Doctor Creston""
[TV]|16:25 Gunther says, "B: "Who are you?""
[TV]|16:25 Gunther says, "C: "Doctor Creston""
[TV]|16:25 Gunther says, "A: "Doctor JANE Creston?""
[TV]|16:25 Gunther says, "C: "Mhmm""
[TV]|16:25 Gunther says, "(the first two lines were both A)"
[Olympics]|16:26 Gunther | Phelps closed his 4th Olympics with 18 golds and a record 22 career medals, which would rank him in the top 60 - among countries
[Olympics]|16:28 Fang says, "haha"
[Olympics]|16:29 K-Y says, "you laugh now, but when Phelpsia becomes a superpower and has subjugated half of the world"
[Olympics]|16:30 Gunther asks, "by buying stuff with all the gold?"
[Olympics]|16:31 K-Y says, "no"
[Olympics]|16:31 K-Y says, "by breeding a new race of aquatic mer-men"
[Olympics]|16:32 Gunther asks, "will they be somehow less shit than Aquaman?"
[Olympics]|16:32 DorianX says (to gunther), "careful. A comic book nerd might hear you and spend an hour lecturing us about how the canon Aquamanis totes not useless and is in fact the baddest badass since Shaft."
[Olympics]|16:33 Gunther says (to DorianX), "I would leave after approximately 15 seconds"
[kitties]|16:33 boucher says (to O'Kay), "You know, the hottest day of the year is not exactly when I appreciate a furry backrest"
[lounge]|16:34 DavidW materializes out from a silver haze in the light.
[lounge]|16:34 DavidW says, "hi"
[kitties]|16:34 vimes says, "i can't imagine why you would have such a distorted view of the world when obviously it's the /best/ time for a furry backrest"
[kitties]|16:34 Gunther says, "cats or gtfo"
[Olympics]|16:35 K-Y says, "there is exactly one comic book nerd advocating that"
[Olympics]|16:35 K-Y says, "and he is *writing* the book"
[kitties]|16:35 boucher says, "I have a tendency to sit at the edge of my seat"
[DustWorld]|16:36 DavidW says, "The three of us went back to Cambridge today for a 'Mill Race Festival' which translates into a day of folk music. The weather was brutally hot, though, and music's not really my thing, so Patrick and I returned home and Kevin will return later on the bus."
[kitties]|16:37 boucher says, "The one time I sat back in my seat and she wanted to wedge herself in there, I wasn't paying attention, and she stood up on her hind legs, put her front paws on me, and shoved.  'Hey.  Hey you.  Scoot up.'"
[kitties]|16:38 boucher says, "I usually don't notice, and the first time I do is when I lean back to think or something and my chair meows at me."
[DustWorld]|16:38 DavidW says, "Ironically, the only reason I agreed to go in the first place was because Patrick guilted me with a 'going to be a hermit again today, eh' sort of comment."
[kitties]|16:38 boucher says, "But the warm weather has made me acutely more aware of her insulative ability"
[lounge]|16:40 Emily arrives.
[lounge]|16:42 vimes says, "hey em"
[lounge]|16:43 Emily says, "hey"
[lounge]|16:45 Dave says, "back"
[lounge]|16:45 Dave says, "got some thundrastorms rolling in"
[board-games]|16:51 marc says, "dinner, then san juan"
[music]|16:51 nothings says, "#photo ancient, but I don't recall seeing them before: http://www.synthgear.com/2010/audio-gear/record-grooves-electron-microscope/ "
[board-games]|16:52 Gunther says, "man, cardboard crack"
[lounge]|16:52 Doug has arrived.
[lounge]|16:52 Doug waves.
[board-games]|16:53 marc says, "indeed"
[board-games]|16:54 marc says, "coming this fall: new david simon drama"
[lounge]|16:56 Dave says, "weird"
[lounge]|16:56 Dave says, "so maybe it wasn't Panera"
[lounge]|16:56 Dave says, "I'm not getting to a lot of websites"
[board-games]|16:56 Gunther says, "later: http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic847169.jpg "
[board-games]|16:57 vimes says, "man, jacq and maga need that"
[lounge]|16:57 Dave says, "the only thing I can reach is cnn/com"
[board-games]|16:57 marc says, "yowsa"
[lounge]|16:58 vimes says, "huh, wacky"
[board-games]|16:58 Doug says, "I agree with Gunther.  Whizzard is completely wrong about Race for the Galaxy."
[board-games]|16:58 Gunther says, "I should take a photo of my copy ..."
[board-games]|16:58 Gunther says (to Doug), "hooray"
[board-games]|16:58 Doug says, "also, that briefcase owner will be sad when Dark Ages comes out"
[board-games]|16:59 vimes says, "nah, they'll be like "woo time to make a new one""
[board-games]|17:00 Doug says, "not sure that sorting order is all that useful either.  simple alphabetical would probably be easiest"
[NYC]|17:01 Doug says, "Anyone got Manhattan hotel recommendations?  preferably nearish to Penn Station"
[board-games]|17:08 Gunther says, "as usual it takes me 10 minutes until I have a picture I find acceptable"
[board-games]|17:09 Gunther says, " http://i.imgur.com/tWCfw.jpg "
[lounge]|17:11 K-Y says, "restart"
[lounge]|17:11 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|17:11 * K-Y has disconnected.
[music]|17:11 Allen says, "woo, NPR did a feature on the conclave: http://www.npr.org/blogs/deceptivecadence/2012/08/04/157991138/gathering-of-the-viols-the-50th-annual-viola-da-gamba-conclave "
[board-games]|17:11 Doug says, "nice!"
[board-games]|17:11 Doug asks, "are those all sleeved?"
[board-games]|17:12 Gunther says, "yep"
[board-games]|17:12 Gunther says, "I think the box would break if I added more cards"
[board-games]|17:12 Gunther says, "this is everything up to Hinterland"
[board-games]|17:12 Gunther says, "closeup: http://i.imgur.com/0Tx2x.jpg "
[board-games]|17:13 Gunther says, "this is some guy's genius rails + dividers system"
[music]|17:14 Allen | Zoe Weiss, a professional viol player from Boston, checks out the crowd before a performance of Sarah Mead's The Ultimate Fantasy: Ralph Vaughan Williams' Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis.
[music]|17:14 Allen says, "they got the name wrong!"
[music]|17:14 Allen says, "it was the Final Fantasy"
[music]|17:14 Gunther says, "Square Enix sued"
[music]|17:14 Gunther says, "so now it's the Ultimate Fantady."
[music]|17:14 Gunther says, "s"
[board-games]|17:15 Doug says, "I still dislike sleeves"
[board-games]|17:16 Doug says, "I wonder if you could fit Dark Ages if everything were unsleeved"
[board-games]|17:17 Gunther says, "I think I could fit twice as much, but the box is herniatingly heavy already"
[board-games]|17:18 Gunther says, "also by "up to" I mean "not including""
[board-games]|17:18 Gunther says, "so Hinterland, Dark Ages and Guilds would fill another box"
[music]|17:18 Allen says, "this recording of the Palestrina madrigal is really good as well"
[lounge]|17:18 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|17:18 K-Y says, "there"
[lounge]|17:22 Nitku leaves.
[Olympics]|17:24 Gunther says, " https://twitter.com/shinykatie/status/231861172855513088 "
[Olympics]|17:25 Allen says, "that can't be real"
[Olympics]|17:25 Gunther says, "it's not. Yet."
[Olympics]|17:25 Allen says, "oh, I didn't look at the subheadline"
[Olympics]|17:25 Gunther says, "also the language is not inflammatory enough"
[Olympics]|17:26 Allen says, "also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI "
[Olympics]|17:28 Gunther says, "ha ha"
[Olympics]|17:28 Gunther asks, "how many of those are real?"
[twitter]|17:30 Allen | Between Olympic gymnastics events, the uneven bars must be recalibrated by a team of scientists so they remain exactly uneven. #olympiclies
[gayrights]|17:38 boucher | We don?t have Chick-fil-A in the part of Canada where I live, so all the recent attention the chain?s been getting has stirred a very odd sort of temptation. On the one hand, I?m gay and support gay marriage. On the other, those waffle fries do look tasty?
[gayrights]|17:39 boucher asks, "Hi, I heard you have a special.  Do you allow trade-ins of an ideology for a chicken sandwich?"
[lounge]|17:40 Doug goes home.
[gayrights]|17:41 boucher says, "Maybe they can have a promotion.  'You'll Go Straight For Our Chicken'"
[gayrights]|17:41 Allen says, "ha ha"
[gayrights]|17:43 Allen says, "I've only been to a chick-fil-a 4 or 5 times in my life. I did a mud search, and found several people praising it from years back. And I found I spelled it "chick fillet" on 3 occasions"
[gayrights]|17:44 boucher says, "There was once one in the local mall, but not any longer.  They had alright chicken, IIRC.  But because they were closed on Sundays, which was a day I did often visit the mall, I didn't eat there as often as I might have."
[gayrights]|17:46 boucher says, "I understand that sort of thing is more common in the Bible Belt, but in Oregon, it was sort of weird.  Blue laws are generally unheard of, and indeed, in some cases, the opposite is true."
[zarfplan]|17:47 zarf says, "sometimes you just gotta spend an afternoon screwing around with low-level audio APIs."
[zarfplan]|17:47 zarf says, "fortunately, not very often."
[gayrights]|17:47 boucher says, "I gather they fought a few mall operators, though not my nearest one, over the right to be closed during what were otherwise 'open mall hours'"
[gayrights]|17:47 Allen says, "I used to live near one. I went there for breakfast a couple times, because the lines were short and they had orange juice and light fare"
[gayrights]|17:48 Allen says, "I didn't know they were closed on sunday until the recent kerfuffle"
[gayrights]|17:48 Allen says, "even when texas had blue laws, restaurants never closed"
[gayrights]|17:49 Allen says, "about the only blues left now are liquor can't be sold, and car dealerships can't be open"
[gayrights]|17:49 boucher says, "I did, but like I said, only because I'd go to the mall on a Sunday, have a craving for chicken for lunch, see the drawn gates, and go...'Huh.  Oh well, I guess it's Panda Express then.'"
[gayrights]|17:50 boucher says, "(Not because Panda Express had good chicken...just because they were the next over.)"
[gayrights]|17:52 boucher asks, "And if Panda Express has an opinion on gay marriage, I guess...um, 'good, fewer children born. maybe adopt a girl, we don't want them anyhow'?"
[space]|17:52 Gunther | A team of astronomers has detected the "death cry" of a star being devoured by a supermassive black hole
[space]|17:53 Gunther says, "'ffffffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU'"
[space]|17:53 boucher says, "We have heard the gurgle of the great space toilet, and it sounds like we need a plunger."
[zarfplan]|17:54 McMartin says, "Boodler? (sp?)"
[zarfplan]|17:54 Alex says (to McMartin), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that boodler is a sound toy by zarf, http://www.eblong.com/zarf/boodler/ ."
[tangent]|17:55 boucher says, "#zarfplan Every time I think I'm weird, I discover...well, yes, I'm weird, but I'm not *alone*"
[tangent]|17:55 boucher says, "The Internet is wonderful for that sense of not being the only weird one"
[tangent]|17:55 McMartin says, "The MUD is good for that too"
[tangent]|17:55 Gunther says, "also, PAX East"
[tangent]|17:55 Gunther says, "(and Prime)"
[tangent]|17:56 boucher says, "And one of the things I always thought was weird about me is that I enjoyed low frenquency sounds, as that of a vacuum cleaner."
[tangent]|17:56 boucher says, "And then I discovered a YouTube video, running well over an hour, bragging to be a compilation of the uploader's favorite vacuum noises."
[tangent]|17:57 Gunther says (to boucher), "hie thee to some store or the other and grab the closest Sunn O))) CD"
[tangent]|17:57 Gunther says, "also Saturn Form Essence, Bad Sector, and Nanocyborg Uberholocaust"
[tangent]|17:58 boucher says, "Yes, I'm afraid my computer can't adequately replicate some of the sounds they produce, but I have sat back and listened to at least the first two's bass-heavy productions"
[tangent]|17:58 Gunther says, "that's where headphones come in handy"
[tangent]|17:58 boucher says, "I have decent headphones, but I'm not sure they're decent enough"
[tangent]|17:59 boucher says, "I suspect I should want a bed built atop a subwoofer, on which to lie, while I listen"
[tangent]|17:59 Gunther says, "bed? pff. http://www.wiretotheear.com/2009/12/26/largest-subwoofer-ever/ "
[tangent]|17:59 boucher says, "Some music is just not deep enough unless it can loosen that nasty chest cold you had."
[band-name]|18:00 nothings says, "#album-names Whilst I Lie Atop The Subwoofer"
[tangent]|18:00 boucher says, "Nice."
[tangent]|18:01 Gunther says, "(thank goodness I'm in the company of people who know what a CD is)"
[tangent]|18:02 boucher says, "There was a family pizza restaurant here called The Organ Grinder.  Unpleasant secondary connotations (which might explain why it eventually closed down) aside, its central gimmick was an elaborate custom-built building-wide novelty organ, with pipes and bizarre stops everywhere."
[tangent]|18:03 boucher says, "The lowest note, I think, was somewhere in the range of 30Hz, and shook the building like an earthquake."
[tangent]|18:03 Gunther says, "excellent"
[tangent]|18:05 boucher says, "Ah, 32' diaphone pipes"
[tangent]|18:05 boucher says, "As the Internet has everything, it has this as well: http://www.pstos.org/instruments/or/portland/organ-grinder.htm "
[tangent]|18:06 Gunther says, "it does not have Analog Zikr"
[housing]|18:06 Allen | Nest Labs set out to create what is essentially the iPod of the thermostat world.
[housing]|18:06 Gunther asks, "overpriced, doesn't do its core functionality well, but slick?"
[videogames]|18:06 K-Y says, "the one issue with Mirror's Edge is that I never know when the last save was"
[tangent]|18:06 Allen asks, "is that a literal 32' or 32 foot in the organ sense?"
[tangent]|18:07 boucher says, "Organ"
[tangent]|18:07 boucher says, "I don't know what it was in actuality"
[videogames]|18:07 K-Y says, "I guess the other issue is when it deletes my saves"
[tangent]|18:08 boucher says, "Though as you can see, they had to build an extra tower for it"
[videogames]|18:08 K-Y says, "somehow, after loading a save a few times, I got rolled back to the save *before* it"
[housing]|18:09 Allen says, "it looks kinda neat: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/08/a-thermostat-that-learns-three-months-with-the-nest/ "
[tangent]|18:12 boucher says, "My grade school music teacher used to volunteer to play it, and I see now that he's in fact the photographer of many of these pictures"
[tangent]|18:13 boucher says, "Now the place is, if even in use, certainly not as it was, and the parts are scattered all over."
[tangent]|18:13 boucher says, "Still in use in other different places, I mean, not just scattered on the floor"
[housing]|18:13 Allen | While the Nest allows you the ability to manually set yourself to away--say if you're going on vacation or even just going away for the weekend--it can also detect when there hasn't been any activity nearby and will automatically determine that you're not home. The Nest has a motion detector that allows it to do this, and you can set the maximum and minimum temperatures you'd like to maintain through either the Nest's website or on the Nest itself.
[housing]|18:15 BrenBarn says, "it'd be fun to hack someone's house with this"
[housing]|18:15 BrenBarn says, "HELP MY TEMPERATURE IS CHANGING BY IT SELF"
[kickstarter]|18:15 Gunther says, "the examples of what you could put into this are AWESOME"
[kickstarter]|18:15 Gunther says, " http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1838656053/nano-cache "
[housing]|18:16 Gunther says, "I think I've told the story of the guy who rigged his own thermostat controller before"
[tangent]|18:16 boucher says, "I don't see any mention of the novelty instrumentation, unless it had some Latin term I'm missing on the stop list"
[tangent]|18:17 boucher says, "Like I remember he used to be able to cause a clockwork cuckoo to spring out of a hatch near the console, for fun."
[kickstarter]|18:17 Gunther says, "this, on the other hand. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/projecthexapod/stompy-the-giant-rideable-walking-robot-0?ref=discover_pop "
[videogames]|18:18 boucher says, "Maybe you can ask for directions."
[kickstarter]|18:19 Gunther | A wristband proclaiming "FRIEND OF ROBOTS - DO NOT TERMINATE" that clearly indicates your loyalties in the coming robot apocalypse.
[videogames]|18:19 boucher says, "'Hi, yeah...yeah, it's me.  I'm in a place...there's a lot of white...the sun is shining on me...I see some colored paint...ring any bells?'"
[videogames]|18:19 Gunther says, ""obnoxious bloom? ... yeah ... no, it's not Undead Asylum!""
[videogames]|18:21 K-Y says, "I mean, I don't know if the game last saved one minute ago or twenty minutes ago"
[videogames]|18:22 K-Y says, "and I can't manually save"
[videogames]|18:22 K-Y says, "there's a little 'saving' icon that flashes in the corner, but I'm not watching the corner of the screen"
[kickstarter]|18:23 boucher says, "As I said, I hope my being kind to Markov will count for me in the long term."
[kickstarter]|18:24 boucher says, "That the robot courts won't haul me before the honorable Judgeputer and question my cruelty to this poor mentally challenged boy entrusted to my care."
[videogames]|18:28 boucher says, "If you don't know if you're saved or not, maybe you need to go to church more often"
[videogames]|18:29 boucher says, "You know, running up the walls...swinging from the tapestries, vaulting off the priest's head...."
[movie]|18:30 Allen says, "egad! No... no... NO!"
[movie]|18:30 Allen says, "there's a remake of Red Dawn coming out"
[movie]|18:30 Allen says, "with North Korea invading the US"
[movie]|18:32 maga says, "A Very Short Invasion"
[movie]|18:33 boucher says, "You think you're tough for eating beans every day?  There's a half a million scarecrows in Pyongyang who'd give anything for one mouthful of what you got."
[movie]|18:34 Allen says, "oh, ha, apparently it was mostly finished two years ago, with the bad guys being Chinese"
[movie]|18:34 boucher says, "And I say that with all seriousness.  I hear the officers are starving, the soldiers are doing worse, and the citizens...well, the less said of them, the better."
[movie]|18:34 Allen says, "but in the time sense, it was redone with North Korea"
[movie]|18:35 Allen | But it's bad business to portray one of the world's fastest growing film markets as brutal world conquerors, so the producers swapped in North Korea, a country no one counts on for ticket sales.
[movie]|18:35 Allen | John Milius, the writer of the original Red Dawn, called the remake "a stupid thing to do."
[movie]|18:35 boucher says, "If they ever did invade, it'd be, 'Ahhh!  Skeletons!  Oh, wait...just North Korea.'"
[movie]|18:36 maga says, "ha ha"
[movie]|18:37 maga says, "I am picturing all US movies as suddenly being like popular UK fiction from the very late Victorian to about the '50s or so"
[movie]|18:38 maga says, "where every story has to have a Chinese Mary-Sue character gratuitously inserted"
[movie]|18:38 Allen | In March 2011, the Los Angeles Times reported that MGM is changing the villains in its Red Dawn remake from Chinese to North Korean in order to maintain access to China's lucrative box office. The changes reportedly cost less than $1 million and involve changing an opening sequence summarizing the story's fictional backdrop, re-editing two scenes and using digital technology to transform many Chinese symbols to Korean.
[movie]|18:38 Allen | The changes will not eliminate all references to China though will give North Korea a much larger role in the coalition that invades the U.S. Producer Trip Vinson stated, "We were initially very reluctant to make any changes, but after careful consideration we constructed a way to make a scarier, smarter and more dangerous 'Red Dawn' that we believe improves the movie."
[movie]|18:40 boucher says, "I like the remake of Red Dawn where the North Koreans nearly wipe us out, but are in the end felled by a lack of immunity to the common cold."
[movie]|18:41 boucher says, "Wait...no, I'm mixing up my crappy remakes again"
[textfyre]|18:45 vimes says (to dave), "hey, drupal is all installed"
[movie]|18:46 Gunther says, "I don't think you are"
[movie]|18:48 Allen says, "or where Jeff Goldblum manages to hack their 1970s mainframes with his mac laptop, and uploads a virus which shuts down their entire warfare computer system"
[lounge]|18:51 Gunther, Geoffrey, and Shamino all represented various aspects of Garriott: his ego, his ego, and his ego, respectively
[tangent]|18:56 jenrexrode says, "I wonder where my closest pipe organ restaurant"
[textfyre]|18:58 vimes says (to dave), "see your email for details"
[tangent]|19:10 jenrexrode says, "maybe Mesa AZ"
[tangent]|19:10 jenrexrode says, "there's one in a theatee in Beaumont,TX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Theatre ."
[tangent]|19:15 Ellison says, "I want to hear the MacGyver theme on pipe organ one day"
[lounge]|19:16 Marvin says, "I go bed."
[lounge]|19:16 Marvin buggers off.
[music]|19:21 maga says, "so the only version of It's a Sin to Tell a Lie that I had previously heard was the Fats Waller rendition"
[music]|19:22 maga says, "in which he inserts 'if you break my heart [I'll break your jaw and then] I'll die'"
[English]|19:24 Lionheart says, "So over on Wiktionary, a call has gone out for nominations of some good Olympics-themed words for our Word of the Day."
[lounge]|19:24 Miseri regularly eats multiples of things inky wouldn't eat more than zero of.
[lounge]|19:24 Miseri says, "Arrr"
[English]|19:24 DavidW says, "Decathalon"
[English]|19:25 maga says, "ubermensch"
[wikipedia]|19:25 BrenBarn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_U.S._county_name_etymologies
[English]|19:26 Lionheart says, "Heh, someone suggested "doping"."
[English]|19:27 maga says, "intersex"
[lounge]|19:27 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|19:27 * Emily has disconnected.
[English]|19:28 Lionheart nominates "decathlon", that's a good one.
[English]|19:30 Lionheart says, "And "decathlete""
[textfyre]|19:31 Dave says, "got it"
[textfyre]|19:32 Dave says, "oh diggity dog"
[English]|19:32 Lionheart says, "We particularly would like some good verbs, if you can think of any"
[tangent]|19:32 vimes says, "that's good, i presume"
[English]|19:35 Lionheart says, "I didn't know what shell racing was, maybe that might be a good one."
[tangent]|19:35 vimes says, "er"
[textfyre]|19:35 vimes says, "that's good, i presume"
[textfyre]|19:36 Dave says, "added drupal.textfyre.com"
[textfyre]|19:36 Dave says, "looks good"
[textfyre]|19:36 Dave says, "now I need to hire someone to actually use it"
[textfyre]|19:36 Dave says, "because I have no clue where to even start"
[textfyre]|19:36 Dave says, "but that's fine"
[lounge]|19:36 Lucea is gonna get back baby bad balls to you, love, cretin.
[lounge]|19:36 * Lucea has disconnected.
[textfyre]|19:37 Dave says, "I have an elance job out and quotes around $200 to implement a template (non-drupal) I purchased"
[textfyre]|19:37 Dave says, "I'm just not sure what I will need to give them for access"
[textfyre]|19:37 Dave asks, "just an account in drupal?"
[textfyre]|19:38 Dave says, "not asking really...just something I need to figure out"
[lounge]|19:38 Dave says, "I just had a great nap"
[lounge]|19:39 Dave says, "and I woke up on my own...not by being kicked or by the nagatron"
[textfyre]|19:39 vimes says, "probably access to the textfyre_com account to upload theme files"
[textfyre]|19:40 Dave asks, "that's a plover account, right?"
[textfyre]|19:40 vimes says, "yeah"
[textfyre]|19:40 Dave asks, "when you say ssh keys, what do you mean?"
[English]|19:41 Lionheart asks, "shuttlecock?"
[wikipedia]|19:41 Allen | Beaver County, Utah: Beaver is named for the area's many beavers.
[textfyre]|19:42 vimes says, "ssh lets you authenticate using public/private keys rather than passwords"
[textfyre]|19:42 Dave asks, "access to the textfyre_com account isn't going to cause any headaches, will it? if I hire a guy from Ukraine, how should "we" handle that?"
[textfyre]|19:42 vimes says, "so rather than giving them the password for textfyre_com, say "send me an ssh public key", stick it in the right place, and then they can ssh/sftp in to work on the files"
[textfyre]|19:42 Dave says, "ah ha"
[textfyre]|19:42 Dave says, "excellent"
[textfyre]|19:43 Dave asks, "can I try that with putty?"
[textfyre]|19:43 vimes says, "in fact, i could even set it up so you can /only/ sftp as textfyre_com, no ssh shell access"
[textfyre]|19:43 vimes says, "probably a reasonable idea"
[textfyre]|19:44 Dave says, "that does sound like a good idea"
[textfyre]|19:44 vimes says, "let me just do that here"
[textfyre]|19:44 Dave says, "lock 'er down"
[English]|19:44 Allen asks, "shuttlecock, referring to the fact that the 2010 games ran out of condoms, and this time they issued an average of 15 condoms per athlete, regardless of sex?"
[textfyre]|19:46 Dave says, "so the two best proposals are from India and Pakistan"
[textfyre]|19:46 Dave says, "highest rated, looks like they've done a lot of work"
[English]|19:48 BrenBarn says, "there was a good shuttlecock quote in the LA Times"
[English]|19:48 BrenBarn | So when eight women players from three Asian countries did something not quite cricket at the London Olympics, it hit the cloistered organization that oversees the sport like a shuttlecock slam to the groin.
[textfyre]|19:51 vimes says, "there we go, all locked down"
[textfyre]|19:51 vimes says, "sftp access only"
[textfyre]|19:51 vimes says, "chrooted to the domains directory"
[English]|19:52 Lionheart says, "Ha"
[textfyre]|19:53 vimes says, "and public key access works fine too"
[textfyre]|19:54 vimes says, "so if you want to try it out, generate a keypair with putty's puttygen program"
[textfyre]|19:54 vimes says, " http://wiki.filezilla-project.org/Howto#SFTP_using_SSH2:_Key_based_authentication discusses it"
[textfyre]|19:55 vimes says, "the public key putty generates needs to be converted to use with openssh, but it's super easy to do"
[textfyre]|19:56 vimes says, "(stick it on plover, run ssh-keygen -i -f putty-generated.pub > openssh-format.pub, then put the contents of openssh-format.pub in ~textfyre_com/.ssh/authorized_keys)"
[textfyre]|19:58 Dave says, "ok"
[English]|19:59 Lionheart says, "We'll probably go with our existing "shuttlecock" quotes by Herman Melville and Henry James, but I'll add that to the Citations page."
[textfyre]|20:03 Dave says, "i forgot how to grant myself super priv"
[textfyre]|20:03 Dave asks, "what's that command?"
[textfyre]|20:03 vimes says, "sudo su -, or sudo su - textfyre_com to become that user"
[textfyre]|20:04 vimes says, "(or sudo some_command to run that command, like sudo vim ~textfyre_com/.ssh/authorized_keys)"
[textfyre]|20:04 Dave asks, "there is no .ssh directory now, right?"
[textfyre]|20:05 vimes says, "no, there is, i created one (and the authorized_keys file) to test"
[textfyre]|20:06 vimes says, "the usual thing to do is cat newpublickey.pub >> ~textfyre_com/.ssh/authorized_keys"
[textfyre]|20:06 Dave asks, "when I use su, don't I use my own password?"
[textfyre]|20:06 vimes says, "(>> appends, > overwrites)"
[textfyre]|20:06 vimes says, "when you use sudo, you use your own password"
[textfyre]|20:06 Dave says, "forgive me, it's been awhile since I've been linuxing"
[textfyre]|20:07 Dave says, "I get unauthorized now"
[textfyre]|20:07 vimes says, "'sudo su -' uses sudo (and your own password) to switch to the root user and run 'su -' as root, becoming root"
[textfyre]|20:08 vimes says, "yeah, looks like you were using 'su -', not 'sudo su -'"
[textfyre]|20:09 Dave asks, "and authorized_keys is empty, no?"
[textfyre]|20:09 vimes says, "it should currently be empty"
[textfyre]|20:09 Dave asks, "what do I put in there?"
[textfyre]|20:09 vimes asks, "did you get a public (and private) key from puttygen?"
[textfyre]|20:09 Dave says, "yes"
[textfyre]|20:10 Dave says, "i have dave.pub in my home dir"
[textfyre]|20:10 vimes asks, "and you put the public key puttygen gave you on plover, and ran the ssh-keygen command i gave you to convert it to openssh format?"
[textfyre]|20:10 Dave says, "yes yes"
[textfyre]|20:10 vimes says, "yep, looks like it"
[textfyre]|20:10 vimes says, "ok, so you can do:"
[textfyre]|20:10 vimes | cat ~dave/dave.pub >> ~textfyre_com/.ssh/authorized_keys
[textfyre]|20:10 vimes says, "as root"
[textfyre]|20:11 Dave says, "or I can just add ~dave/dave.pub to the file"
[textfyre]|20:11 vimes says, "add the contents of dave.pub"
[textfyre]|20:12 vimes says, "adding literally '~dave/dave.pub' won't do anything"
[textfyre]|20:12 Dave says, "oops"
[textfyre]|20:12 vimes says, "no worries"
[textfyre]|20:13 vimes says, "cat outputs the contents of a file (much like, um, type on windows, iirc) to standard output; >> redirects standard output and appends it to the specified file"
[textfyre]|20:14 Dave says, "got it - fixed"
[textfyre]|20:15 vimes says, "ok, looks good"
[textfyre]|20:15 Dave says, "no I need an sftp program"
[textfyre]|20:15 Dave says, "so"
[textfyre]|20:15 vimes says, "i use winscp or filezilla"
[textfyre]|20:15 vimes says, "(winscp is generally nicer)"
[textfyre]|20:16 Dave says, "hey hey - I already have filezilla"
[textfyre]|20:16 vimes says, "woo woo"
[textfyre]|20:17 vimes says, "so, pageant running, your private key added to pageant"
[textfyre]|20:17 vimes says, "connect to sftp://drupal.textfyre.com with username textfyre_com and an empty password"
[textfyre]|20:18 Dave asks, "pageant?"
[textfyre]|20:18 vimes says, "it's putty's public key agent"
[textfyre]|20:18 vimes says, "which handles the authenticate-using-a-public-key stuff for ssh programs"
[textfyre]|20:19 vimes says, "they say "hey, the server wants to authenticate" and pageant says "ok i'll take care of it""
[textfyre]|20:19 Dave | Connection attempt failed with "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server".
[textfyre]|20:19 vimes says, "one of the super useful things about ssh is agent tunneling, where you can be running the ssh key agent locally, ssh to one server, and from there ssh to another server, and authenticate to the second server using the private keys you have locally"
[textfyre]|20:19 Dave says, "running pageant, added my private key"
[textfyre]|20:20 vimes says, "sounds like it tried to connect via something that wasn't sftp"
[textfyre]|20:20 Dave says, "trying to connect and I get that error"
[textfyre]|20:20 vimes says, "make sure it's sftp and not, say, ftp/s or ftp"
[textfyre]|20:21 vimes says, "(the port should be 22, if it shows you a port)"
[textfyre]|20:23 vimes says, " https://skitch.com/devesine/ek3d1/192.168.1.4 for example"
[textfyre]|20:24 Dave says, "I got it"
[textfyre]|20:24 vimes says, "sweet"
[textfyre]|20:24 Dave says, "filezilla is just stupid"
[textfyre]|20:24 vimes says, "yep"
[textfyre]|20:24 vimes says, "like i said, winscp is generally nicer"
[textfyre]|20:25 vimes says, "but hey, you already had filezilla"
[textfyre]|20:25 Dave says, "okay - off to hire a developer"
[textfyre]|20:25 Dave says, "I have so much shit to do"
[textfyre]|20:25 vimes says, "cheers"
[English]|20:25 Psmith says, "if you want a tie to the ancient Olympics, there's 'pankration'."
[textfyre]|20:25 vimes says, "let me know when people start actually doing useful things on there and i'll start taking regular backups"
[textfyre]|20:26 Dave says, "T-31 days until possibly the biggest meeting of my life"
[textfyre]|20:26 Dave says, "but I have really good people helping, including you...so I think we're going to be okay"
[textfyre]|20:27 vimes says, "i'll certainly do my best to make sure your website doesn't blow up"
[English]|20:27 Allen | The original Olympic motto was "Perigrinatores Obruunt Nos" ("Tourists overwhelm us").
[textfyre]|20:27 vimes says, "of course, demos should be done entirely with local content and website snapshots where possible, but you know all that"
[textfyre]|20:29 Dave says, "the demo is an entirely different thing from the website"
[lounge]|20:29 Whizzard goes to hamstring some zombies.
[lounge]|20:29 * Whizzard has disconnected.
[textfyre]|20:30 vimes says, "so i imagined"
[textfyre]|20:30 Dave says, "the website is going to be strictly corporate marketing"
[textfyre]|20:30 vimes says, "just don't go there in any live presentations lest my heart fail"
[textfyre]|20:30 Dave says, "now I have to unravel the website I had planned to release and make it an internal student site"
[Internet]|20:31 Allen | The four elements of the Internet: stupid, angry, nude and kitten. (Or noob, raeg, pron and lulz. Or dafuq, ban, 34 and maru.)
[Internet]|20:32 vimes says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|20:33 camlorn arrives from the east.
[lounge]|20:34 camlorn says, "wow."
[lounge]|20:34 camlorn says, "Didn't expect it to actually be this busy, lol."
[lounge]|20:34 jenrexrode says, "but we're all napping"
[lounge]|20:35 camlorn says, "heh"
[lounge]|20:35 camlorn says, "That's the typical response on a mush-style mud."
[lounge]|20:35 Psmith says, "Bear in mind that idling for days at a time is hardly unknown, yeah."
[lounge]|20:35 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[lounge]|20:35 camlorn says, "no one's killing you, so you don't bother to move."
[lounge]|20:35 camlorn asks, "hmm. what was that...?"
[lounge]|20:35 camlorn says, "was hoping to get help on i7."
[lounge]|20:36 Psmith asks (of Alex), "FAQ?"
[lounge]|20:36 Alex says (to Psmith), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that FAQ is Type 'faq' for the current FAQ url.  Also, don't forget to read 'help beginner' and 'charter'."
[lounge]|20:37 jenrexrode asks, "or start yakking on #I7 ?"
[lounge]|20:37 camlorn says, "working out how to use it."
[lounge]|20:37 Psmith says (to jenrexrode), "well, the FAQ has a good explanation of channels, which is why it'd be the place to start."
[lounge]|20:37 camlorn says, "I'm not familiar yet with this flavor of mud, but I'm probably going to start with help channels."
[lounge]|20:37 camlorn says, "ooo, irc model."
[I7]|20:38 * camlorn has joined the channel.
[lounge]|20:38 Psmith says, "95% of MUD conversation takes place on channels. (Stat entirely made up, but it's not going to be too far out.)"
[lounge]|20:39 camlorn says, "you don't hvae to baby me, lol."
[lounge]|20:39 camlorn says, "er. have."
[lounge]|20:39 camlorn says, "been mudding for like, 6 years...hmm, maybe a bit less."
[I7]|20:39 camlorn asks, "So, I've got an odd question. Can I divorce the i7 compiler from the ide and use it from the command line?"
[lounge]|20:39 vimes says, "lol, emoticons, and other similar things are generally considered a bit some-fancy-french-term-for-not-really-what-we-do-here, just so you know"
[lounge]|20:39 camlorn says, "o. well, true."
[lounge]|20:39 Psmith says, "to be honest, I have no idea what channel facilities modern MUDS have as standard."
[Olympics]|20:39 jenrexrode says, "blade runn"
[lounge]|20:39 camlorn says, "I come form the hack and slash variety."
[lounge]|20:39 vimes says, "we use them ironically if it all"
[lounge]|20:40 camlorn says, "er. from. And I typo a lot, unfortunately."
[I7]|20:40 vimes says, "sure"
[lounge]|20:40 camlorn says, "On most of the muds I play, you use it because you literally don't have time to do anything else."
[lounge]|20:40 vimes says, "there's plenty of time here"
[lounge]|20:40 jenrexrode says, "aww :("
[I7]|20:40 camlorn asks, "Is there any documentation on doing this?"
[lounge]|20:40 vimes says, "one tick is roughly eight hours, give or take"
[I7]|20:40 Dave says, "ha ha ha"
[I7]|20:40 Dave says, "no"
[I7]|20:40 camlorn says, "Thought as much."
[I7]|20:40 vimes says, "there's a perl script (part of the unix command-line inform7 package) that gives you a sort of bad interface to it"
[I7]|20:41 Dave says, "anyone that's done such things has reverse engineered the IDE"
[I7]|20:41 vimes says, "and i recently ran across a makefile that does a similar thing, although it's sort of broken"
[I7]|20:41 camlorn says, "It doesn't even implement --help--I found one page somewhere that ggave a bunch of stuff. hink it was the makefile."
[I7]|20:41 zarf says, "yeah, look at the command-line package and see what it does"
[I7]|20:41 Dave says, "and Graham refuses to offer a standard command line"
[I7]|20:41 camlorn asks, "Why?"
[I7]|20:41 vimes says, "and i wrote my own shell script, but it's very tied to what i do"
[I7]|20:41 camlorn says, "I can give a use case for it--the ide is not blind friendly in a lot of ways."
[I7]|20:41 Dave says, "Graham is Graham"
[I7]|20:41 vimes says, "(and none of these things give you nice access to the index like the IDE does, of course)"
[I7]|20:42 camlorn says, "I can't get my main screen reader to work properly with it, i.e. it doesn't announce indentation which is important, and nvda does really, really bizarre things with word wrap."
[I7]|20:42 Dave says, "(note this is not one of my pet peeves - (sarcasm))"
[I7]|20:42 camlorn says, "Not that any of that means anything to anyone who's not blind."
[lounge]|20:42 jenrexrode . o O ( joie de vivre? raison d'etre? je ne sais quoi? )
[tangent]|20:42 zarf says, "sarcasm is one of my pet peeves"
[I7]|20:42 camlorn says, "Well, I could probably hack it if I had a saturday and was really bored--disassemble and look for -- in the disassembly, or something."
[lounge]|20:42 Psmith asks (of jen), "sacre bleu? zut alors?"
[I7]|20:43 camlorn says, "But since there's not been a compiler update since 2010, I don't think publishing the command line switches would be that big a deal."
[lounge]|20:43 zaphod says, "outré"
[I7]|20:43 Dave says, "the winforms ide code is open source"
[tangent]|20:43 Lionheart says (to zarf), "Oh, mine too. I absolutely _hate_ it."
[I7]|20:43 camlorn says, "Yeah, considered doing that too."
[I7]|20:43 Dave says, "you can see what david is doing in there"
[I7]|20:44 Dave says, "it's just not pretty and nice like you'd want it"
[I7]|20:44 camlorn says, "It all works great, except the part where you enter code. To be truthful, I -could- use it, but I'm set in my ways."
[I7]|20:45 camlorn says, "I've got experience with c/c++/java, and am currently working on something graphical (oh, the irony) in something called scala, and I'm generally good enough that the smmall stuff bothers me because I know there's generally a way around."
[I7]|20:45 Dave says, "sorry, I'd help but I have a full plate...not ratholes for me...I've even resisted getting a new lego set"
[drwho]|20:45 jenrexrode says, "huh, there's a Doctor Who sticker on GetGlue.  I guess there will be a new show soon."
[drwho]|20:45 jenrexrode says, "looks like a marathon starting in the wee hours on BBC America tonight"
[drwho]|20:46 jenrexrode says, "oh, only 4 in a row"
[food]|20:46 Dave says, "I need a smoothie"
[I7]|20:46 camlorn says, "Well, I can do it...I'm not scared of the ide sourcecode, and most of what's actually going on is happening in the i6 compiler, which does implement --help.  Acording to that makefile thing, you just have to feed it a bunch of directorie.s"
[I7]|20:46 vimes says, "here, let me send you this horrible shell script i use"
[I7]|20:46 camlorn says, "sure. why not."
[food]|20:47 Dave says, "here, let's make the blind person scream"
[food]|20:47 Dave says, "ilac"
[I7]|20:47 Dave says, "here, let's make the blind person scream"
[I7]|20:47 vimes says, "absolutely"
[I7]|20:47 camlorn says, "I can probably shove it in a windows batch file, move all the extension and core library directories to the directory of the current sourcefile, and just name the batch file build."
[I7]|20:47 camlorn says, "My favorite text editor can then run it, of corse, because it's a programming one, and life is good."
[I7]|20:48 camlorn asks, "Wait, that e-mail is public?"
[I7]|20:49 camlorn says, "Heh, reliques of tolti-aph. The only thing I've ever managed to beat."
[I7]|20:49 camlorn says, "And that was after hacking the rng..."
[English]|20:51 Lionheart says, "Oh, yeah, and something I only recently learned was an Olympic event, "dressage"."
[I7]|20:52 camlorn asks, "Since I can't find out how to send you a private message, how did you intend to send me the shell script?"
[politics]|20:54 Allen | The Center for American Progress this morning fired a warning into reporters inboxes this morning about the danger of a Romney presidency. "ANALYSIS: Romney would kill 360,000 in 2013 alone," the email warned.
[politics]|20:55 Allen says, "the article it linked to said '360,000 jobs', but not the email subject line"
[I7]|20:55 vimes says (to camlorn), " http://pastebin.com/7Q6zL10X "
[politics]|20:56 jenrexrode says, "oh yeah, because the death of jobs will be the smaller number"
[I7]|20:57 camlorn says, "Ah. like that."
[I7]|20:58 camlorn says, "This looks general to me."
[I7]|20:58 camlorn asks, "Where's the part that prevents anyone from using it?"
[I7]|21:03 vimes says, "the part where i've never tested it anywhere but one project"
[I7]|21:05 camlorn says, "Well, if I could read bash, I could honestly say it looked good <sarcasm>"
[I7]|21:05 camlorn says, "But, that's not what I'd call something I can read. I'm from windows, so don't know enough bash scripting.  So, I'm going to go poke around in the front-end."
[I7]|21:06 camlorn says, "What I really need to do is point out to someone with the power to do something that command line usage would make the lives of us blind programmers easier in some cases."
[English]|21:07 inky says, "that is big this year for some reason"
[I7]|21:07 camlorn says, "But I'm wining and spamming, and am going to shut up now until such time as I have something remotely useful to say."
[English]|21:07 inky asks, "is that the one that romney's wife's horse is in?"
[politics]|21:07 inky says, "if he killed that many people he would actually *create* job vacancies"
[politics]|21:08 inky says, "although I assume Romney would mostly kill poor people who are more likely to be unemployed"
[I7]|21:08 zarf says, "you should email graham and point that out. Just be aware that you won't get a reply."
[I7]|21:08 camlorn says, "Wekll, since the last release was from 2010..."
[I7]|21:08 camlorn says, "Would it do any good? probably not."
[I7]|21:08 zarf says, "we are told that he's been closing in on another release."
[I7]|21:09 zarf says, "even aside from that, if you don't ask, you haven't asked."
[I7]|21:09 camlorn says, "and if the screen reader people made their screen readers work properly with scintilla, which has been becoming the new bread and butter of the editing world, I wouldn't have this problem, and several others would go away too."
[I7]|21:09 camlorn says, "True, true, and I will probably bother to do it at some point."
[I7]|21:10 camlorn says, "It was wierd actually. I haven't thought about inform 7 in some years, and then all of a sudden yesterday I suddenly ahd the urge."
[zarfplan]|21:10 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! zarf has posted message 16, about 'Zarf swag (t-shirts)', to the bulletin board! When you're hanging from your toenails in the darkest pits of hell, everything looks umop apisdn."
[zarfplan]|21:11 inky says, "surely 'zarf swag' is an anagram of something"
[zarfplan]|21:12 DavidW says, "Feel free."
[zarfplan]|21:13 DavidW says, "Unhappily, the best I can manage is 'fagz wars'."
[zarfplan]|21:14 inky says, "the hot new facebook game"
[D&D]|21:15 Allen | http://io9.com/5931018/rush-limbaughs-newsletter-rips-off-the-dungeons--dragons-monster-manual
[zarfplan]|21:15 inky asks, "inky needs a cockring to help in his battle! will somebody please send him one?"
[zarfplan]|21:15 Ryan asks, "How can you hold a cock fight without a cockring?"
[zarfplan]|21:16 inky says, "we take it to the streets"
[D&D]|21:16 inky says, "buh"
[zarfplan]|21:16 DavidW says, "It's a fowl for all."
[D&D]|21:17 BrenBarn says, "ha ha ha"
[D&D]|21:18 BrenBarn says, "dire health insurance law"
[D&D]|21:18 inky says, "ha ha"
[D&D]|21:18 inky says, "an enraged congressmans"
[D&D]|21:19 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[English]|21:19 boucher says, "I can't even tell you how insultingly #IRTA, and never even batted an eye"
[lounge]|21:19 * DavidW has disconnected.
[lounge]|21:19 * DavidW has connected.
[law]|21:21 Allen | On April 30, Zoning Administrator Kimberley Johnson sent Martha Boneta an official cease-and-desist notice for selling farm products and hosting a birthday party for her best friend's 10-year-old daughter on her 70-acre Paris, Va., farm without a special administrative permit.
[politics]|21:21 jenrexrode says, "ah, the sticker is for a special "The Science of Doctor Who"."
[politics]|21:21 jenrexrode says, "ilac"
[law]|21:22 inky says, "you are not permitted to have any more birthday parties for this person for at least a year"
[I7]|21:23 Dave says (to camlorn), "I can toss Graham an e-mail and cc you"
[lounge]|21:24 Emily arrives.
[lounge]|21:24 camlorn exclaims, "hello!"
[I7]|21:25 Dave says, "or maybe just put the request on the request site for I7"
[peanut-gallery]|21:25 inky says, "I think a camlorn is someone who is forlorn about losing their camel"
[I7]|21:25 Dave says, "I think I've already put it up, so all you need to do is vote on it"
[I7]|21:25 zarf says, "request site is good"
[I7]|21:25 zarf says, "sending your own email, probably good too"
[I7]|21:26 camlorn says, "I didn't know there was a request site."
[I7]|21:26 camlorn says, "Found the magical code that makes this work. Writing a windows batch file now."
[personals]|21:26 BrenBarn | Q: About how long do you want your next relationship to last?
[personals]|21:26 BrenBarn | A: The rest of my life
[personals]|21:26 BrenBarn | Explanation: ok, dumb, whatever.
[I7]|21:26 camlorn says, "It's actually fairly simple, really."
[personals]|21:26 inky says, "she forgot LOL"
[I7]|21:26 Dave | http://bit.ly/MFWmTS
[tangent]|21:26 BrenBarn says, "oh man that reminds me"
[I7]|21:27 camlorn says, "i'll have to google for it later. But thanks. I've got 4 windows open atm."
[personals]|21:27 Dave says, "I'm noticing chicks with guns in profile pictures of late"
[tangent]|21:27 BrenBarn | http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-texting-ruining-kids-grammar-skills-20120801,0,1365582.story
[lounge]|21:27 jenrexrode says, "yo"
[I7]|21:27 camlorn says, "Well, 5 counting this, and two text files in one."
[drwho]|21:28 boucher says, "Huh"
[tangent]|21:28 inky says, ""S. Shyam Sundar" is a great name"
[tangent]|21:28 inky says, "it sounds like a magic phrase to turn you into Captain S"
[drwho]|21:28 boucher says, "Well, might be worth watching then"
[tangent]|21:28 inky says, "or an expression like Odsblood"
[drwho]|21:28 boucher says, "Also:"
[drwho]|21:28 boucher | "Shows like Doctor Who are not meant to be educational ... but very often it will inspire particularly young viewers to get interested in science early on," notes theoretical physicist Dr. Jim Al Khalili.
[drwho]|21:29 boucher says, "I beg to differ.  At least at first, it was."
[tangent]|21:29 inky asks, "uh, most of the questions on this quiz aren't grammar ones, are they?"
[stevejobs]|21:29 Steve says, "Hey, so Amazon has asked me to come out to interview in person"
[drwho]|21:29 jenrexrode says, "well, they found one scientist that would admit it on the special"
[news]|21:29 Allen | Alaska Man Charged With Floating Under the Influence
[news]|21:30 Allen | In Alaska, of all places, a man has been charged with "driving under the influence" for "allegedly having a 0.313 breath-alcohol content as he floated through Fairbanks on an inflatable raft Sunday night."
[drwho]|21:30 boucher says, "One of the reasons the show had so many historical epics and such at first was that they got a special exception by the BBC to be counted as an educational show for budgetary purposes, provided they had a sufficient amount of history in their material."
[tangent]|21:30 BrenBarn says, "not really"
[tangent]|21:31 BrenBarn says, "but when people say 'grammar' they usually don't mean grammar per se"
[drwho]|21:31 boucher says, "Mind you, by the late 60's, that excuse and pretense were out the window.  But it was there at first at least."
[personals]|21:31 Dave | http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cas/3184598549.html
[personals]|21:31 Dave says, "this is my club"
[stevejobs]|21:31 Steve says, "I just emailed them back all of the info they asked for, including salary requirements, which is always the part that makes me queasy"
[news]|21:32 Allen says, "Alaskan law forbids operating a watercraft, which is defined as: to navigate a vessel used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water for recreational or commercial purposes on all waters, fresh or salt, inland or coastal, inside the territorial limits or under the jurisdiction of the state...."
[stevejobs]|21:32 inky says, "that's awesome"
[stevejobs]|21:32 Steve says, "But it's done, so that's nice"
[stevejobs]|21:33 inky says, "we should totally meet up for dinner if you get a free night"
[I7]|21:33 Emily says, "Graham really is working on Inform and really does want to release a new build soon, but there's a lot going on in his life so it is hard to predict when it will be ready"
[personals]|21:33 inky says, "I wonder what extreme fun is"
[I7]|21:34 Emily says, "so the value of "soon" remains obscure"
[I7]|21:34 camlorn says, "Well, being honest here, I'm half-jokingly considering doing inform 7 for my graduate project down the road."
[stevejobs]|21:34 inky says, "the nice thing about giving a number over email is they can't tell if you are flinching while typing"
[tangent]|21:34 boucher says, "I failed #2, because of my failure to understand how German clubs work"
[I7]|21:34 camlorn says, "So I'd say it's pretty good. But I really would absolutely love a command line interface that doesn't require hacking."
[news]|21:35 Allen | "Modene had been floating on the river for the day and consuming alcoholic beverages the entire time," troopers wrote in their "daily dispatches" log on their website.
[I7]|21:35 Emily says, "I thought it was possible to do that on some OSes but maybe not on the one you're on"
[news]|21:35 Ryan says, "He might argue he wasn't navigating anything."
[I7]|21:35 Emily says, "I was pretty sure there was a Linux command line version"
[I7]|21:35 camlorn says, "It is. with hacking."
[I7]|21:35 Emily says, "but I don't use Linux, so"
[I7]|21:35 camlorn says, "Even the linux version is a hack."
[tangent]|21:35 boucher says, "I figured perhaps cleaning bathrooms was a special reward, and people were lining up for the privilege."
[I7]|21:35 camlorn says, "i'm taking apart the front end at the moment."
[tangent]|21:35 inky says, "also, they strike me as mostly errors you would make from not reading and writing enough, because they seem like errors based on spoken language"
[stevejobs]|21:35 Steve says (to inky), "They want to fly me in the day before so I would basically have nothing to do that night besides freak out"
[stevejobs]|21:36 Dave says, "ha ha ha ha"
[stevejobs]|21:36 inky says, "hee hee"
[I7]|21:36 Emily says, "okay, in that case I don't understand enough about the situation to be helpful, sorry"
[stevejobs]|21:36 Dave says, "that's fucking great"
[stevejobs]|21:36 inky says, "well then"
[I7]|21:36 camlorn says, "and making a quicky windows version. Stick it in a folder with a sourcefile, change one line to your inform installation, and it's supposed to automagically work."
[news]|21:36 Allen asks, "there should be a slate explainer question: can bears get drunk off of eating intoxicated humans?"
[I7]|21:36 camlorn says, "O. don't feel bad. I'm going way outside the box here."
[news]|21:36 inky says, "ha ha"
[news]|21:36 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[I7]|21:36 Emily says, "I had understood it to be the case that Adam Thornton had released a command line package that was supposed to work sensibly on Linux"
[I7]|21:36 camlorn says, "Like, way, way outside the box. I'm coming from c++, kinda, if that gives you some idea."
[stevejobs]|21:36 Dave says (to steve), "I immediately pictured you staring at the walls of a shitty hotel room freaking out"
[tangent]|21:37 BrenBarn says, "well, presumably most 'formal language' errors are of that type"
[I7]|21:37 camlorn says, "I read...disturbing things about it. And windows doesn't really support perl."
[I7]|21:37 camlorn says, "May be better now, but I'm already almost done making mine, so."
[tangent]|21:37 BrenBarn says, "it would be interesting to see if kids who txt msg do less real writing, or if the effect was gone if kids did a lot of both"
[tangent]|21:37 boucher says, "I am now trying to read all of these in nonstandard and unintentional ways."
[news]|21:37 Ryan says, "You could pose that to what-if.xkcd"
[seattle]|21:38 inky says, "it is too hot"
[seattle]|21:38 Emily says, "how is that possible"
[stevejobs]|21:38 Steve says, "They offered to fly me out the next morning or take a flight home the same day as the interview and I told them I would rather go right home"
[I7]|21:38 camlorn says, "Thankss, though."
[stevejobs]|21:38 Emily says, "makes sense"
[I7]|21:39 camlorn says, "i'm going to assume you're emily short? Sorry if I spelled that wrong--I'm using a screen reader, and for all I know, it's some sort of spelling involving ch and a silent w."
[I7]|21:39 Emily says, "I am, yeah"
[seattle]|21:39 inky says, "I dunno, it feels like I was just complaining about summer not getting here"
[I7]|21:39 Emily says, "and that's how it's spelled"
[I7]|21:39 camlorn says, "I've had...fun times...with spelling and names in the past."
[seattle]|21:39 Emily says, "it is not too awful here but I do have the fan on"
[stevejobs]|21:39 Steve says, "That's all I have now.  I just have to see what they think of my salary requirements and let them make arrangements for the day and time"
[stevejobs]|21:40 Steve says, "It's all pretty positive, though"
[I7]|21:40 Dave says, "emalee shorte"
[seattle]|21:40 Emily says, "some friends of mine are getting married at Gasworks Park tomorrow so I am sure they are delighted that it didn't decide to rain all weekend"
[tangent]|21:40 boucher says, "I still remember bitterly the time I failed a fairly large spelling bee, because they mispronounced a word and I thought they were being metaphorical, much in the same way I think 'frayed' is totally valid."
[I7]|21:40 Dave says, "emma lee short"
[I7]|21:40 Dave says, "hmm"
[seattle]|21:40 inky says, "oh, I bet that'll be nice"
[I7]|21:40 Dave says, "no way to mess up short"
[seattle]|21:40 inky says, "I seem to recall gasworks is usually pleasantly breezy"
[I7]|21:40 Dave says, "phonetically"
[seattle]|21:41 Emily says, "yeah"
[I7]|21:41 camlorn says, "schort.."
[I7]|21:41 zarf says, "for what it's worth, I just set up the FreeBSD command-line I7 package on my Mac. It looks okay, except for being a Perl script"
[I7]|21:41 camlorn says, "My screen reader reads that the same."
[stevejobs]|21:41 Steve says, "Ok, just wanted to give the news for those who might be interested.  Now, bed."
[I7]|21:41 camlorn says, "Yeah. perl script is almost a deal breaker. I've got an easier one in the works, not sure where error messages go yet, and it'll only work on my system."
[stevejobs]|21:41 Emily says, "woot"
[lounge]|21:41 Dave says, "time for din din"
[tangent]|21:41 boucher says, "But I was young and too embarrassed to appeal"
[tangent]|21:42 Allen asks, "did you see language log's article on this "study"?"
[lounge]|21:42 Dave says, "think I'll go over to Flip Flops for a burger"
[tangent]|21:43 Allen | There's a special place in purgatory reserved for scientists who make bold claims based on tiny effects of uncertain origin; and an extra-long sentence is imposed on those who also keep their data secret, publishing only hard-to-interpret summaries of statistical modeling. The flames that purify their scientific souls will rise from the lake of lava that eternally consumes the journalists who further exaggerate their dubious claims. Those fires, alas, await Drew P. Cingel and S. Shyam Sundar, the authors of "Texting, techspeak, and tweens: The relationship between text messaging and English grammar skills"...
[lounge]|21:43 (From BrenBarn) Dave says, "actually nah, changed my mind"
[lounge]|21:43 Dave says, "good one"
[lounge]|21:43 camlorn says, "I think I missed the joke."
[lounge]|21:43 camlorn says, "That's obviously an echo, but I think I missed the joke."
[lounge]|21:43 Dave says, "flip flop"
[tangent]|21:43 boucher asks, "Oh good, so they liked it?"
[lounge]|21:44 inky says, "perhaps he realized he didn't have any flip flops to wear, so he couldn't meet the dress code"
[lounge]|21:44 Dave says, "politicians are sometimes flip floppers"
[lounge]|21:44 inky says, "also, "flip flop" is slang for switching your position on an issue"
[ill]|21:44 jenrexrode says, "I'm gonna stay home with my aches and pains, and save going out for another day."
[lounge]|21:44 Dave says, "I don't...I do have topsiders"
[lounge]|21:44 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|21:44 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|21:44 BrenBarn says, "no shirt, no flip flops, no service"
[lounge]|21:44 boucher enters, enthusiastically enraptured by the ensuing entropy. Whatever that means.
[lounge]|21:45 inky says, "hmm, I didn't know topsider was a thing"
[lounge]|21:45 Dave says, "sperry to be exact"
[lounge]|21:45 inky says, "I think I would have called this a moccasin or something"
[lounge]|21:45 inky | Sperry was an avid boater who, like most boaters, risked injury while walking on the slippery deck of his boat. His successful design was inspired by his cocker spaniel, Prince.
[lounge]|21:45 BrenBarn says, "topsider sounds like a name for people who live on the surface of the earth instead of in underground cities in some sci-fi world"
[lounge]|21:46 inky says, "his first attempt: http://feeds2.yourstorewizards.com/1002/images/250x1000/befudogslfor.jpg "
[lounge]|21:46 BrenBarn says, "ha ha ha"
[lounge]|21:47 Dave says, "I generally by a new pair of Sperrys every spring"
[lounge]|21:47 Dave says, "I beat the crap out of them"
[lounge]|21:47 Allen says, "that's doggy cruelty!"
[lounge]|21:47 jenrexrode wanders off.
[lounge]|21:47 Lucea had the olive complexion.
[lounge]|21:48 Dave says, "really now - food"
[lounge]|21:48 Dave says, "nite folks - be back tomorrow as usual"
[lounge]|21:49 inky says, "bye Dave"
[maga-fu]|22:00 maga says, "well, it looks as if I'm recovering somewhat even without Terrifying Anti-Immune System Drugs, but they're putting me on 'em anyway to accelerate the process"
[maga-fu]|22:01 inky says, "that's good to hear"
[maga-fu]|22:01 inky says, "do you need anything? I could swing by later today or tomorrow"
[maga-fu]|22:01 maga says, "I am still not hit for human consumption and generally look sort of plaguey"
[maga-fu]|22:01 maga says, "and I'm pretty well set up, I think"
[maga-fu]|22:02 inky says, "okey doke"
[maga-fu]|22:02 inky asks, "when is Jacqueline back? monday?"
[maga-fu]|22:02 Alex says (to inky), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that Monday is the day after Sunday."
[maga-fu]|22:02 inky asks (of Alex), "oh yeah? then when's sunday?"
[maga-fu]|22:02 Alex asks (of inky), "Um, seven?"
[maga-fu]|22:02 maga says, "if I have some dire-but-not-911-grade emergency I will scream for you or Lucian or Emily, but I rather doubt that's going to happen"
[maga-fu]|22:02 inky says, "a good plan"
[maga-fu]|22:02 inky says, "(having it not happen, I mean)"
[maga-fu]|22:03 maga says, "she's back on Friday, is around for Saturday and then takes off again"
[maga-fu]|22:03 inky says, "dang"
[maga-fu]|22:04 maga says, "after some phone tag they said that she could reschedule it for next year, but I figured that was kind of overkill"
[maga-fu]|22:05 maga says, "if I still had the annoying thing on my foot that made walking highly inconvenient, I'd have considered it"
[maga-fu]|22:05 inky says, "man, you got the whole package deal"
[I7]|22:06 camlorn says, "I am a winner."
[lounge]|22:07 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]|22:07 camlorn goes home.
[maga-fu]|22:07 maga says, "I could make a list of Least Convenient Places To Get Lesions and rate my score on each"
[I7]|22:07 camlorn says, "Got it working."
[maga-fu]|22:07 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|22:07 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|22:07 Jota greets.
[lounge]|22:07 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[I7]|22:07 camlorn says, "Don't have my trivial code example working, but I do have a build script. So I'm happy. Happyish. It doesn't build past the inform6, lol."
[I7]|22:07 zarf says, "woo hoo"
[I7]|22:08 camlorn says, "O. there I go again with the emoticons."
[quotations]|22:09 Lionheart says, "Paul Sain spoils his aphorism with context: | The reason the Russian cosmonauts did not see God when they were in outer space is the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman right after committing a burglary."
[quotations]|22:10 inky asks, "so the cosmonauts waited until god wasn't looking and then went up into space?"
[quotations]|22:10 inky asks, "is that to avoid a tower of babel type incident?"
[quotations]|22:10 maga says, "that's... sort of trying to be all waggish and GK Chesterton, but it kind of flounders in the making-sense department"
[quotations]|22:10 Lionheart says (to inky), "Heh, fortunately, Mir has escaped his notice until now"
[quotations]|22:11 zarf says, "never a policeman around when you need one"
[quotations]|22:12 K-Y says, "space is everywhere"
[quotations]|22:12 K-Y says, "space, space!"
[quotations]|22:13 (from Lionheart) Space Core says, "What's your favorite thing about space? Mine is space."
[quotations]|22:14 zarf says, "I'm sorry, you can't double-space here, this is an HTML shop"
[quotations]|22:14 nothings says (to K-Y), "yay"
[lounge]|22:16 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|22:16 * Emily has disconnected.
[lounge]|22:17 nm wantsahondacivic / http://www.iwantahondacivic.com / if you love nm than please buy nm a civic
[lounge]|22:18 nm says, "hi"
[cooking]|22:19 jenrexrode says, "creamy mashed sweet potato - microwave whole sweet potato for 5 minutes.  peel without burning fingertips too much, mash in butter and salt, add half&half until desired texture.  Then microwave again because all the ingredients cool it too much."
[lounge]|22:20 jenrexrode says, "hi nm"
[cooking]|22:20 zarf says, "those are all good ingredients"
[lounge]|22:21 camlorn enters, the words MUD LIFE freshly tattooed across its chest.
[lounge]|22:22 camlorn goes home.
[lounge]|22:32 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|22:32 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|22:33 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|22:33 * Marktwo has connected.
[lounge]|22:41 nm goes home.
[zarfplan]|22:44 Limax says, "I don't get more than half these shirts.  I'm in the wrong circles again"
[lounge]|22:44 Limax flies into the lounge in a spaceship, which explodes.
[zarfplan]|22:45 zarf says, "I deal in mystery"
[zarfplan]|22:45 inky asks, "do you mean they are a bunch of google+ shirts?"
[zarfplan]|22:45 Limax says, "No... I mean I have no fricking clue"
[lounge]|22:47 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|22:47 Limax says, "Huh.  Today's birthday is someone who has actually been here this year"
[lounge]|22:47 Limax says, "Hi"
[Olympics]|22:47 jenrexrode says, "gah, I tried to record trampoline while I was asleep, but it wasn't on the recorder when I woke up"
[Boston]|22:48 Limax says (to zarf), "I'm thinking Tuesday might be out for me.  I'll still be adjusting to the time change"
[Boston]|22:48 zarf says, "oh, right"
[Boston]|22:48 zarf says, "well, I'll let people know anyhow"
[Boston]|22:49 Limax says, "No big deal.  I'm really only in town four nights this time... and I'll be back on the 16th for a week"
[lounge]|22:49 nothings goes home.
[GirlGenius]|22:55 Limax says, "Oh, I recevied my copy of Volume 11 last week"
[GirlGenius]|22:55 Limax says, "Or maybe the week bfore"
[quotations]|23:03 Lionheart says, "(The original "Maybe the atheist cannot find God, for the same reason..." quote which Paul Sain was mangling there was by Laurence Peter.)"
[quotations]|23:05 Lionheart says, "Just spent a good ten minutes tracking that down."
[Boston]|23:06 Limax says, "I'd still like to get together for dinner or something.  I know I'm missing the meeting on the 14th"
[Boston]|23:07 zarf says, "there's a small game dev conference on the 18th, but it costs money"
[Boston]|23:08 Limax says, "I think I'll actually be working that day, weird as it seems"
[lounge]|23:08 Miseri is very disappointed in you.  Earlier, he may have ransacked your office, but he is *very* disappointed in you.
[quotations]|23:10 inky asks, "oh, so the guy stuck the "in space" thing in there?"
[weather]|23:19 boucher says, "The Wunderground map helpfully color-codes the temperature readings on my map."
[weather]|23:20 boucher says, "It starts very cold, with deep purples and blues"
[weather]|23:20 boucher says, "And it progresses up through greens, into oranges as it gets hotter"
[weather]|23:20 boucher says, "And then orangey-reds and reds as it gets hotter still"
[weather]|23:21 boucher says, "And I never noticed until just now...when the temperature passes 100, it starts to get pink."
[weather]|23:21 boucher says, "This is a new experience for me.  I've never had it be pink out"
[weather]|23:22 boucher says, "Perhaps there's a bit of a feminine air?  Oh, but that's sexist.  Perhaps it's just very Miami Vice out."
[workplace]|23:22 jenrexrode exclaims, "yay, I got an award!"
[workplace]|23:22 Limax asks, "Woo!  Most people audited?"
[workplace]|23:23 jenrexrode says, "heh, it's probably for teaching.I don't know, I just see an additional deposit in my checking account."
[lounge]|23:23 Whizzard likes a lounge. He prefers the one at the Radisson in Minneapolis, but this one'll do in a pinch.
[lounge]|23:23 Whizzard says, "heyo."
[lounge]|23:24 Limax says, "Hello Whizz"
[lounge]|23:24 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[Austin]|23:24 jenrexrode says, "ow, my arm hurts"
[band-name]|23:26 * DavidW has joined the channel.
[band-name]|23:27 DavidW | New band name: medical grade zucchini.
[lounge]|23:27 Whizzard asks, "how goes?"
[lounge]|23:29 Limax says, "I'm going to be a cross country traveler again"
[lounge]|23:30 zarf says, "CROSS CHILDREN WALK / CHEERFUL CHILDREN RIDE"
[lounge]|23:33 Whizzard asks, "Cross country? What for?"
[lounge]|23:33 Limax says, "Work"
[lounge]|23:34 Limax says, "Multiple trips to Massachusetts"
[lounge]|23:34 Whizzard says, "Ah, fun."
[lounge]|23:39 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[GerynarsAbode]|23:41 Gerynar says, "man, I'm looking at some code for a website that I started building for work from quite a few months ago...I don't think I put enough comments in it"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:41 Gerynar says, "I don't remember how it all works"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:41 Limax says, "One of the classic blundars"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:41 Limax says, "I have done that too"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:43 Gerynar says, "I write such basic code, I assume I'll remember what it means later on...but it's PHP and javascript (jquery/jqueryui) and now I'm gonna have to look up documentation again"
[music]|23:44 mwmiller | I've 'defended' his lyrics in the past (I've said I don't care taht they're bad, the music carries it) | Around my household this is referred to as The Doors Rule. However, Muse also falls under the Cocteau Twins Rule (the less of the lyrics you notice, the better)
[lounge]|23:46 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|23:46 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|23:46 Emily arrives.
[lounge]|23:48 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|23:48 * Marktwo has connected.
[music]|23:49 K-Y says, "only non-English-speaking acts get to get away with terrible lyrics"
[music]|23:49 K-Y says, "because then you don't have to understand any of it"
[music]|23:56 boucher says, "Not if they sing in English anyhow"
[lounge]|00:00 Limax says, "ff"
[lounge]|00:00 Limax walks slowly out of the room and into the sunset.
[music]|00:04 mwmiller says, "Does that mean it's time to dig this old chestnut out again? < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcUi6UEQh00 >"
[music]/00:25 K-Y says, "a friend once linked me to a Japanese version of Last Christmas"
[music]|00:25 K-Y says, "I maintain that it is more listenable"
[lounge]|00:34 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|00:34 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]|00:34 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[lounge]|00:41 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|00:41 * Emily has disconnected.
[peanut-gallery]|00:42 K-Y asks, "did Roger say what he was getting up to?"
[kitties]|00:50 jenrexrode | http://mlkshk.com/r/5AOQ
[kitties]|01:04 vimes says, "laura says "....sure! why not!""
[kitties]|01:04 inky says, "wow, ruthven"
[lounge]|01:11 ghira wakes
[lounge]|01:11 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|01:22 vaporware used to work on the dock. Union's been on strike, he's down on his luck. It's tough.
[lounge]|01:23 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|01:23 vaporware says, "ahoowa hoowa hoo hoo hoy"
[lounge]|01:24 Ellison unidles
[lounge]|01:38 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|01:43 Johnny insisted that the mobile hot-dog-on-a-bun did nothing wrong.
[lounge]|01:43 Johnny says, "Hello"
[lounge]|01:44 Ellison says, "hey Johnny"
[lounge]|01:44 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|01:44 Johnny says, "Yo Ellison"
[lounge]|01:44 Johnny says, "Faith and begorrah jen"
[begood]|01:49 Ellison asks, "what's the good word?"
[begood]|01:50 Johnny says, "Nothing new."
[begood]|01:50 Johnny says, "The good word is doog."
[lounge]|01:50 olethros was sworn in by robed priests on Thursday morning.
[lounge]|01:50 olethros says, "re"
[begood]|01:50 Johnny says, "Doogie is acceptable and Howser is allowed."
[lounge]|01:50 Johnny says, "Hi olethros"
[begood]|01:51 Johnny asks, "So, are Borderlands and Rage basically the same game?"
[lounge]|01:51 jenrexrode says, "hey"
[lounge]|01:51 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 2420 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Sunday,  5 Aug 2012, 01:51:27 AM EDT
There is one new message on #if/programming/T3.
There is one new message on #misc/personal/zarfplan.
Rob says, "zrx"
Johnny says, "Hi Robcicle"
[dreams] Rob says, "action-adventure dream"
jenrexrode says, "hey rob"
[dreams] Rob says, "I was sort of being stalked by this big dude that started out merely bullying but then got more and more menacing"
[dreams] Rob says, "and terminator like just kept coming"
ghira says, "wurr wurr"
[dreams] Rob says, "I was deploying as many defensive tactics as I could scramble to think of, and even managed to grab a bundle of sharp sticks at one point and tried jabbing him in the chest and face, and he wasn't fazed"
[dreams] Rob says, "kind of inhumanly"
[begood] Ellison says, "you know, people don't say it, but yeah, I think they basically are"
[dreams] Rob says, "and in the dream at one point when I realized I was in trouble I started shouting, 'help! help! help help help! help! help!'"
[begood] Ellison says, "I have to admit that I've played further into Borderlands but want to like Rage more"
[begood] Johnny says, "I sunk several hours into Borderlands and I once saw some Rage footage."
[begood] Johnny says, "Today."
[dreams] Rob says, "nothing happened so I scrambled away again, and just as the guy caught up to me, my friend arrived and helped me grapple with him"
[begood] Ellison says, "(I didn't play very far into the Rage demo)"
[dreams] inky says, "awright"
[dreams] Rob says, "we sort of got him under control and then three guys dressed as cops showed up and kind of rassle-cuffed the guy and hauled him away and I woke up"
[dreams] Rob says, "ok but the friend of mine is a guy who died 3 years ago"
[dreams] Rob says, "but I was glad he heard me yell for help !"
[dreams] inky says, "wow"
[dreams] Rob says, "the end... or is it"
[dreams] Ellison says, "he's late for his own funeral but not an ass-whooping"
[dreams] jenrexrode says, "wow, I had an action adventure dream, too"
[dreams] Rob says, "sometimes in slightly scary dreams like this I try to shout and nothing comes out"
[dreams] jenrexrode says, "you'd have to recap"
[dreams] Rob says, "actually I wasn't so much scared as too busy moment to moment to have much time to think"
[dreams] Johnny says, "I like how you said "three guys dressed as cops"."
[dreams] Johnny says, "Like, they're really milk men."
[dreams] Rob says, "that's how it seemed! like they'd put on costumes so I'd recognize them as cops"
[dreams] jenrexrode says (to Johnny), "hehe"
[begood] Ellison says, "I really hated the controls in Rage, but I was pleased with the world-building they tried to do. like, it took forever to find where to find my first mission, but I was intrigued by the starting area. Borderland's fighting and missions just bores me to tears. Rage's fighting kind of pissed me off for whatever reason, but I want to believe that it has more depth than Borderlands."
Recapping 29 of 29 lines from alt/vibes/dreams:
[dreams]/001 jenrexrode says, "I had a dream that I was driving down the highway, and up ahead, the police had created a road block across 5 lanes, and they were out of their cars, on their bellies with rifles ready to shoot.  I stopped and abandoned my car, and lied down in the ditch to watch whatever was going to happen."
[dreams]/002 jenrexrode says, "someone was shouting "if you can see her, you're in danger."  I got out my iPhone to take some pictures of the scene, and I caught one of the blockcade, then there were explosions and I got pictures of those, too."
[dreams]/003 jenrexrode says, "They were calling her the Cat Woman.  I don't know why.  I don't think it was a dream with Cat Woman from Batman in it.  Maybe it was the lady with all the plastic surgery, and she had gone on a rampage."
[dreams]/004 jenrexrode | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YKYinnCIcVw/S-pdl2h5ueI/AAAAAAAAFOQ/xcpGilt2fao/s1600/CatWomanPlasticSurgery.jpg
[dreams]/005 Gunther says, "take it to #eeeagh"
[dreams]/006 jenrexrode says, "hehe"
[dreams]/007 Gunther says, "god that is horrendous"
[dreams]/008 Rob says, "action-adventure dream"
[dreams]/009 Rob says, "I was sort of being stalked by this big dude that started out merely bullying but then got more and more menacing"
[dreams]/010 Rob says, "and terminator like just kept coming"
[dreams]/011 Rob says, "I was deploying as many defensive tactics as I could scramble to think of, and even managed to grab a bundle of sharp sticks at one point and tried jabbing him in the chest and face, and he wasn't fazed"
[dreams]/012 Rob says, "kind of inhumanly"
[dreams]/013 Rob says, "and in the dream at one point when I realized I was in trouble I started shouting, 'help! help! help help help! help! help!'"
[dreams]/014 Rob says, "nothing happened so I scrambled away again, and just as the guy caught up to me, my friend arrived and helped me grapple with him"
[dreams]/015 inky says, "awright"
[dreams]/016 Rob says, "we sort of got him under control and then three guys dressed as cops showed up and kind of rassle-cuffed the guy and hauled him away and I woke up"
[dreams]/017 Rob says, "ok but the friend of mine is a guy who died 3 years ago"
[dreams]/018 Rob says, "but I was glad he heard me yell for help !"
[dreams]/019 inky says, "wow"
[dreams]/020 Rob says, "the end... or is it"
[dreams]/021 Ellison says, "he's late for his own funeral but not an ass-whooping"
[dreams]/022 jenrexrode says, "wow, I had an action adventure dream, too"
[dreams]/023 Rob says, "sometimes in slightly scary dreams like this I try to shout and nothing comes out"
[dreams]/024 jenrexrode says, "you'd have to recap"
[dreams]/025 Rob says, "actually I wasn't so much scared as too busy moment to moment to have much time to think"
[dreams]/026 Johnny says, "I like how you said "three guys dressed as cops"."
[dreams]/027 Johnny says, "Like, they're really milk men."
[dreams]/028 Rob says, "that's how it seemed! like they'd put on costumes so I'd recognize them as cops"
[dreams]/029 jenrexrode says (to Johnny), "hehe"
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[dreams] Johnny says, "So, Gearbox apparently calls Borderlands a "role-playing shooter" or something."
[dreams] Johnny says, "ilac"
<Petrosilius> Petrosilius has connected to ifMUD.
Petrosilius arrives from the east.
Petrosilius says, "Hey all."
[begood] Johnny says, "So, Gearbox apparently calls Borderlands a "role-playing shooter" or something."
Johnny says, "Hi Petrosilius"
zarf walks off through the wall; blinding white light flares briefly around him.
</zarf> has disconnected.
[begood] Johnny says, "The main thing I dislike is that nothing seems to matter."
[begood] Johnny says, "Also, there are some fetch quests where the thing to fetch is near impossible to find."
[dreams] Rob says, "eagh plastic surgery cat lady"
[begood] Johnny says, "Compared to the Fallouts or whatever else. I was going after a key to get into a mine to kill some dude called Sledge."
[begood] Johnny says, "And it all seems meaningless."
[begood] Johnny says, "Like, it's "take out this dude for the good of whoever, and to open up more of the map"."
[dreams] jenrexrode says, "heh heh"
[dreams] Rob says, "I find it horrible that the people who have this kind of repeated surgery and end up with these stretched and bloated freaky faces think it makes them look beautiful somehow"
[videogames] Rob says, "I decided I felt like playing psychonauts again"
[videogames] Rob says, "and it took 3 hours to download it via xbox live, so it became much less of an impulse buy and play than I was expecting"
[begood] Ellison says, "yeah... and maybe I didn't upgrade enough, but it almost seems like you're expected to die while fighting bosses and just run back from the nearest spawn point."
olethros says, "beach-time"
olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
</olethros> Turns out you can polish a turd.
Rob says, "beach? huh"
[begood] Johnny says, "And respawning enemies."
[videogames] Ellison says, "dang"
inky says, "he's on vacation"
inky says, "elsewhere in greece"
inky says, "on Naxos, which I think is one of the evil transformers"
[begood] Johnny says, "There was some robot in the safe house that needs repair, so I'm running around like an idiot looking for the repair kit, and the bastards keep respawning."
[whiz-games] Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Whew."
[videogames] Ellison says, "unfortunately, I have played that so many times that it's not quite the escape it used to be for me"
[begood] Johnny says, "Including these huge bastards with a ton of health and a rocket launcher."
Ellison says, "heh"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Almost done painting my Vauban, and I added some star decals to my bombers and blimps."
[begood] Ellison says, "I think you basically need to play with friends to get anywhere"
[movie] Rob says, "the first total recall movie had verhoeven's weird sense of humor going for it, this new one looks like it has no sense of humor about itself at all"
[begood] Johnny says, "Yeah."
[movie] Ellison says, "yeah"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "I tried adding some lettering to my Battleship for its name, but it was literally so damn small I lost it."
[begood] Johnny says, "And ultimately enemies."
Rob says, "heh"
[videogames] Rob says, "I've played it through twice"
[movie] Ellison says, "both of the reviews I've read were written by people who think the first movie was just okay (they give Verhoeven credit, sure, and the movie is not without its flaws but I think time has just made the cool Verhoeven stuff even cooler)"
[videogames] Rob says, "I'm enjoying the early bits but I'm having a dawning recollection coming on of levels I really always hate that I'm looming near to encountering again"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "I got it onto my putty tool, then tried to slide it onto the ship, and I was all..."Huh. Abracadabra. Nope, too small for me to do this.""
[videogames] Rob says, "also I'm really annoyed at the -- it's a platformer, so you have to do a lot of jumping from platform to platform, and it seems like the edge of every platform has an invisible stripe on it such that if your foot is on this stripe the jump button doesn't register"
[videogames] Rob says, "and I tend to run to the edge of things and then hit jump, and often end up falling to my doom. I need to recalibrate and jump slightly before that every time"
[begood] Ellison says, "and even the GOTY edition only gives you codes that can be used for one instance of the DLC, not letting you share the DLC with whoever you want (at least for the 360 version)"
[begood] Ellison says, "definitely a game to be avoided"
[videogames] Rob says, "but it makes me miserable, because I'm hitting the dang button and the character is not jumping, and the whole game is about this"
[begood] Johnny says, "Well, I think I got my four dollars worth."
[begood] Johnny says, "And now I'm not Rage either."
[begood] Johnny says, "So, really, I saved money in the long run."
[begood] Johnny says, "Er, not getting Rage"
[videogames] Ellison says, "the 360 controller doesn't seem as responsive as the original x-box. there's that bonus punching game that I've only beaten on the original x-box."
[videogames] Rob says, "actually I guess I played it through once to the finish, somehow; the second time I stopped when I reached the meat circus"
[begood] Ellison says, "well, there should be a demo for Rage somewhere. still, they've been apologizing for the pc version lately so maybe it's still not up to par."
[videogames] Rob says, "as long as my character has a foot on a platform, I don't understand why the jump button isn't registering. it's like the game thinks, 'oh, he wants to run off the edge right now, that's what he's up to, cancel jump button reading'"
[videogames] Rob says, "that's what it *feels* like anyway"
[begood] Johnny says, "I read about driver problems when it first came out."
[videogames] Ellison says, "yeah, I can't envision exactly what you're talking about but I'm generally not a fan of platformers. luckily, Psychonauts has enough other stuff going on for me to overlook that."
[videogames] Rob says, "there's this one early level with a 'shortcut', but the shortcut was this series of platforms and I had to redo and redo and redo and redo all the jumps up to the last one for seven minutes, grumbling and grousing the whole time"
[videogames] Ellison says, "huh, weird"
[videogames] Rob says, "yeah the problem is I actually like treasure hunts and psychonauts is the biggest game like that I know of"
[videogames] Rob says, "I'm going to try to pretend there's this edge stripe and see if I reduce my percentage of misses at all"
[videogames] Rob says, "this is also a genre of game I'd like to be able to play in 3D so I can actually gauge the distance of jumps better than I can in 2D"
<Nitku> The future will be fnurglewitz.
Nitku doesn't even know what glutz is!
[videogames] Rob says, "sometimes it's hard to tell a single jump from a double jump, or (even more annoying) do a double-jump and overshoot a single-jump and fall off the far side"
[videogames] Rob says, "'oh, that was closer than I thought. thanks.'"
Rob says, "Nitku"
[videogames] K-Y says, "I don't think it's a very good platformer or action game"
Nitku says, "hi"
[videogames] K-Y says, "it's like, they want to incorporate those elements, but they don't have the experience to begin with"
[videogames] Rob says, "well there's the whole tim schaefer effect"
[videogames] Rob says, "I'm not sure I know what a 'good' platformer is any more"
[videogames] Rob says, "I had fun with every odd numbered ratchet&clank game until they moved it to PS3 (at which point I couldn't play them any more)"
[videogames] Rob says, "I've never had a nintendo system so I haven't any experience with mario anything"
[videogames] K-Y asks, "good platformers these days?"
[videogames] Rob says, "these days or at all, I guess, as long as we're talking about them"
[videogames] K-Y says, "maybe Ubisoft"
inky says, "ok zz"
inky has been a constant source of support, of nourishment, and also of Lego robots.
</inky> Because you see, the assumed shape of your butt has EVERYTHING to do with where your pockets are in relation to the beginning and end of said butt.
[videogames] Rob says, "the first batman game, the first assassin's creed"
[videogames] Johnny says, "I don't think 3-D platformers ever *really* got there."
[videogames] Johnny asks, "Those are platformers?"
[videogames] K-Y says, "I have this impression that most platformer developers, which also happen to be indie developers, are trying their damndest to fail to learn anything from past platformers"
[videogames] Rob says, "Splosion Man revealed itself to be actually fun in its two-player version in a way that its one-player didn't"
[videogames] Rob says, "I could agree with that"
[videogames] K-Y says, "which is also a result of the fact that everyone wants to make a platformer"
[videogames] Rob says, "it seems like I should ask myself what I would make a platformer be like"
[videogames] Rob says, "but I feel like I've never actually studied them, I was too busy wrangling with playing the"
[videogames] Rob says, "m"
[videogames] Rob says, "and yet it's a genre I seem to be attracted to"
[videogames] Ellison says, "I'd say Psychonauts is picky about where you time your double jump, but it's not so bad about having to jump at the last moment like all of the platformers I can't stand"
[videogames] Rob says, "yeah, but note I said my problem is I keep trying to jump at the last moment, and it appears to be one moment too late for it"
[videogames] Ellison says, "yeah, so don't do that! (jk)"
[videogames] Rob says, "one thing is better about playing on the xbox: the load times for different sections of the game is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay shorter than on the PS2"
[videogames] Rob says, "that was the biggest drag back when I originally played it"
[videogames] K-Y says, "I'm sure experienced developers have some kind of custom routine for detecting trying to jump at the last second"
[videogames] Rob says, "ok let me go to the store  <wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait> x 3 to get to the campground and then go in the cabin"
[videogames] Rob says (to KY), "that's what it seems like it should be !!"
[videogames] Rob says, "I'm tired of yelling 'didn't you guys test this?' at my television"
[videogames] K-Y says, "I mean, if you wanted to be extra forgiving you could detect a range of fumbled jumps and fudge them to work out"
[videogames] K-Y says, "I assume there are games that do this"
[videogames] Rob says, "I wish they would"
[videogames] Rob says, "or have an Easy mode where they finesse your bungling"
Rob says, "ok I've kind of psyched myself up to play this some more"
[videogames] K-Y says, "and not even fumbled so much as 'compensate for the difference between hand-eye-brain coordination'"
Rob says, "if my jumping works out I'll be gone for hours. if I get really frustrated and die a lot I'll be back sooner"
[videogames] Rob says, "maybe some of that tech that went into getting rock band type games to sync for players"
[videogames] Rob says, "which dfan was in charge of at one point"
[videogames] K-Y says, "now, they only sync your dance moves with those of Usher's"
[videogames] Rob says, "heh"
Rob says, "gzboingf"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.