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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob, fake_Robb_Sherwin
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> When he said that, it gave me the ending of my book.
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday borowski!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder, Sarcasm Detector, Gene Ray
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, small, Ryan, GDorn, jpt, Bishop, Dave, Allen, ctmiller, baf, marc, annabianca, Jon, DorianX, Matthew, genericgeekgirl, jess, Otis, Jearl, vimes, Marktwo, Iain, Whizzard, ghira, Psmith, lpsmith, maga, Grocible, zaphod, Petrosilius, two-star, Nitku, Gunther, boucher, Tale
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 3707 lines from recent channels:
[lounge]/19:10 Grocible says, "Jacob Two-Two and the Hooded Fang"
[lounge]|19:10 Grocible says, "a children's book by Canadian novelist Mordechai Richler"
[lounge]|19:10 Olly says, "It's good."
[lounge]|19:10 Olly says, "It's a bit like Daniel Pinkwater for a slightly younger audience."
[physics]|19:10 boucher says, "It's not true, of course...the universe doesn't have a limited attention span...but it helps me cope with the real detail in a simplistic way."
[lounge]|19:10 Grocible says, "of course, "tootoo" was English babytalk for "poo", but that wasn't the case in Canada"
[physics]|19:10 boucher says, "I mentioned my oversimplifications of electronics on another channel."
[physics]|19:11 boucher says, "That capacitors are a way of connecting things without connecting them, that resistors are a way of disconnecting things without disconnecting them, etc."
[lounge]|19:11 Olly says, "Possibly you don't know Daniel Pinkwater, either, though."
[physics]|19:11 boucher says, "They're simplistic, but surprisingly useful when you're trying to cope with the whole big messy system."
[jobs]|19:12 GDorn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5l-nnR4Bx0&feature=youtu.be
[physics]|19:12 Olly says, "There's a name for things like that."
[physics]|19:12 Olly asks, "What is it?"
[jobs]|19:12 GDorn says, "funny, but dude, if you have to make a recruitment video to convince rockstar devs you're a cool company to work for, you've already failed"
[physics]|19:12 boucher asks, "Abstractions?"
[physics]|19:13 Fang says, "lies? :p"
[jobs]|19:13 GDorn says, "obviously they aren't aiming for rockstar devs, they're aiming for rockstar-wannabe devs that will work for peanuts"
[lounge]|19:13 Grocible says, "it's very proudly Montreal"
[physics]|19:13 Olly says, "I cannot recall."
[lounge]|19:13 inky says, "I read it as a kid"
[lounge]|19:13 Grocible says, "like there's a character named Shapiro"
[lounge]|19:13 inky says, "but of course my parents were in montreal early on, so maybe that was it"
[lounge]|19:14 Olly says, "I might have learned of it from my Canadian cousins."
[lounge]|19:14 Grocible says, "and O'Toole"
[lounge]|19:15 inky says, "the quebecois ollys are of course known as the allezes"
[English]|19:15 Jota asks, "Is there any word for feces that doesn't sound crude/slangy, infantile or technical?"
[English]|19:15 inky says, "not to my knowledge"
[English]|19:15 Jearl says, "dung, leavings, droppings"
[English]|19:15 Olly says, "Not human ones."
[English]|19:15 Psmith says, "'turd'."
[English]|19:16 Allen says, "turd totally sounds juvenile"
[English]|19:16 vimes says, "stool is too technical, i presume"
[English]|19:16 inky says, "I just got poop-schooled"
[English]|19:16 Olly says, "For animals: droppings."
[English]|19:16 Jota says, "I meant for humans, yeah."
[English]|19:16 Jearl says, "bodily waste"
[English]|19:16 Olly says, "Or dung, as Jearl said."
[English]|19:16 vimes says, "self-contained fan-impact devices"
[English]|19:16 vimes says, "wait, that's also too technical"
[English]|19:17 Jota says, "Heh."
[English]|19:17 Olly says (to vimes), "I'm embarrassed that I laughed at that."
[lounge]|19:17 Grocible says, "also, I guess it's Jacob Two-Two Meets the Hooded Fang, and it's Mordecai"
[English]|19:17 inky says, "I think it's one of those things you can't talk about in polite company"
[English]|19:18 inky says, "so any term for it is going to explicitly rude, euphemistic, or technical"
[English]|19:18 inky says, "er, explicitly be"
[English]|19:18 Olly says, "Or childish."
[English]|19:18 inky says, "though by that argument you'd think the word 'sex' wouldn't exist"
[English]|19:18 baf says, "There's a point in Walking Dead Episode 1 where Clementine (the adorable tyke) says that the barn they're sleeping in smells like..., and you have a choice of words to complete her sentence. If I recall correctly, the choices offered are "shit", "poo", and "manure"."
[English]|19:19 Jota says (to inky), "Yeah, 'sex' was the analogous term that seemed perfectly reasonable."
[English]|19:19 Fang asks, "how crude is 'crap'?"
[jobs]|19:19 boucher says, "I like this.  Especially the satirical game developer you don't want to work for at the end."
[English]|19:19 Jota says (to Fang), "It's pretty slangy."
[I7]|19:19 vimes says, "arglebargle, everything was simple with the Threaded Conversation beta until i tried to deal with (a) implicit conversation starters and (b) conversants leaving the room while you're talking to them"
[English]|19:19 Olly says, "Fairly crude, but not actually cursing."
[English]|19:19 baf says, ""Manure" kind of specifically connotes "animal poo used as fertilizer", but it strikes me as being at exactly right in tone. Neither slangy nor clinical."
[English]|19:20 Allen asks, "excrement?"
[jobs]|19:20 boucher says, "I know a few people who think game development would be the Best Job Evar"
[English]|19:20 baf says, "(Also, if you remain silent, Clem opts for "doody".)"
[I7]|19:20 vimes says, "on the plus side, i now understand Understand rules and parser errors rather better"
[English]|19:20 Olly says (to Allen), "That's pretty good."
[English]|19:20 Jota says (to Allen), "That sounds pretty technical, I'd say."
[jobs]|19:20 boucher says, "And I have not yet found enough material to refute that."
[English]|19:20 Jota says, "But less so, than 'feces', I suppose."
[lounge]|19:20 Grocible says, "of course, looking up on the tv adaptation of the story"
[lounge]|19:20 Grocible says, "I come across a website that featuers this: http://www.canuxploitation.com/review/sexcula.html "
[jobs]|19:21 boucher says, "I mean, I could take them to nothings' house, but then I think they'd just shoot themselves then and there...I'm not actually cruel"
[lounge]|19:21 inky says, "canuxploitation, my day is complete"
[English]|19:21 Olly says, "A doctor probably wouldn't record something in your chart about your excrement."
[English]|19:21 vimes says, "if you really want to be snooty you say _fæces_ in italics"
[jobs]|19:21 boucher says, "But this is pretty good material to dissuade them"
[English]|19:21 Jota asks, "Was that a ligature?"
[English]|19:21 vimes says, "yeah, ae"
[English]|19:21 Allen says, "yeah"
[English]|19:22 Allen says, "ok, checking oed. 'Biggie: noun, children's word for excrement. 1917 Wilson, He's a bit erratic where he does his biggies, now he's a grown up parrot."
[English]|19:22 vimes says, "wikipedia says "Human feces (or human faeces), also known as a stool""
[English]|19:22 boucher says, "I'm trying to remember the word I keep spelling traditionally and regularly get friends going 'Really?  Are you from the 18th century?'"
[English]|19:23 inky | Originally used of thrones (cf. cynestol "royal seat, throne"); change of meaning began with adoption of chair from French, which relegated stool to small seats without arms or backs, then "privy" (early 15c.) and thence to "bowel movement" (1530s).
[English]|19:23 boucher says, "But it definitely contains an 'ae'"
[English]|19:23 inky says, "hmm"
[English]|19:23 Jota asks (of boucher), "Wikipaedia?"
[English]|19:23 vimes says, "heavy shits the head that wears the crown"
[English]|19:23 inky says, "when I was growing up my parents used BM"
[English]|19:23 Olly asks, "Mediaeval?"
[English]|19:23 inky says, "which is borderline acceptable"
[English]|19:23 Psmith asks (of boucher), "not coöperation?"
[English]|19:24 inky says, "(I mean, borderline acceptabe as an answer to Jota's question)"
[English]|19:24 Olly says, "Stool is pretty good."
[English]|19:25 Olly says, "It's not Latin."
[English]|19:25 Allen says, "crap, crottle, doo-doo, dooky, dung, egestion, fen, fex, jakes, merd (merde), mess, ordure, pooh, pooh-pooh, purgament, shit, siege, soil, squibals, squirt, stercory"
[English]|19:25 Olly says, "Some of these I've never heard before."
[English]|19:26 vimes says, "huh, purgament"
[English]|19:26 Allen says, "also, saurio-coprolite "the excrement of a saurian", swage, the excrement of an otter,"
[English]|19:26 boucher says, "Ah, there's a term for that...I don't use it, but, ah...diæresis.  To make a combination of the topics."
[English]|19:26 Allen says, "spraints is also the excrement of an otter"
[English]|19:26 Olly says, "'Egestion.' Heh."
[English]|19:26 Allen says, "English is an amazing language to have multiple words for otter crap"
[metafilter]|19:26 inky | I know how to dance with people who are just friends. Can you explain to me how to dance with someone when I don't want to be just friends?
[metafilter]|19:26 inky says, "so far nobody has suggested putting a rose between your teeth"
[English]|19:27 Olly exclaims, "Hooray for English!"
[English]|19:27 Allen says, "fumet, excrement of deer"
[English]|19:27 Allen says, "frass, the excrement of larvae"
[English]|19:27 boucher says, "If there were any recursive justice, any word would itself have an example of it in itself."
[English]|19:28 Olly says, "Which would render the list Allen just shared rather stinky."
[English]|19:28 boucher says, "So, 'diaeresis' would contain a double vowel on a syllable boundary, or 'egestion' would contain as one of its letters, a unicode picture of a pile of crap."
[English]|19:28 Allen says, "meconium, the first excrement of a new-born baby"
[English]|19:28 boucher says, "Timing"
[English]|19:29 boucher says, "I guess the endgame of this is a return to hieroglyphics"
[English]|19:29 Allen says, "scatomancy, divination based on examination of faeces"
[lounge]|19:29 Miseri regularly eats multiples of things inky wouldn't eat more than zero of.
[lounge]|19:29 Miseri says, "arrr"
[English]|19:30 Olly says, "I think ash is my favorite letter."
[lounge]|19:30 Miseri is back home in Montreal.
[English]|19:30 Olly says, "I find it hard not to like any word with an ash in it, even if it looks pretentious that way."
[lounge]|19:30 Olly says, "Arr."
[English]|19:30 boucher says, "I was always fascinated with non-Roman alphabets as a child"
[lounge]|19:30 Olly says, "We were just talking about Montreal."
[lounge]|19:31 Miseri says, "Lies! Lies!"
[English]|19:31 Fang asks, "ash?"
[lounge]|19:31 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[English]|19:31 Olly says, "The 'ae' digraph."
[English]|19:31 Allen says, "tantadlin, a lump of excrement"
[lounge]|19:31 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[English]|19:31 Allen says, "I like the little loop over 'st'"
[lounge]|19:31 Miseri says, "hi"
[lounge]|19:31 Olly says, "Hello, jenrexrode."
[English]|19:31 Allen says, "and 'ct'"
[English]|19:32 boucher asks, "Was it someone here who shared that the arabic signs mocked up for the olympics were apparently complete gibberish.  Backwards and incorrectly parsed with respect to word position, and perhaps even further scrambled?"
[English]|19:32 Olly says, "Strange."
[English]|19:33 Olly says, "I don't know if it was someone here or not."
[English]|19:33 boucher says, "Might as well have welcomed them with 'Herka durk""
[English]|19:34 Olly asks, "I'm always puzzled by things like that.  How hard can it be to get a real speaker of the language to spend an hour translating the signs for you?"
[English]|19:34 inky says, "well, there's http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7702913.stm "
[English]|19:35 Allen says, "oh yes, that's one of my fave anecdotes"
[English]|19:35 boucher says, "That was sort of my friend's job at Nintendo...he was put in charge of a team of localizers."
[English]|19:35 Allen says, "it's also a bit silly, since there are no native welsh speakers who don't know English"
[English]|19:35 boucher says, "One of his bigger struggles with management was not actually the job of being diligent when it came to English, but convincing them to not be."
[lounge]|19:36 Grocible says, " http://nkguy.com/temp/fencing.jpg "
[English]|19:36 Allen says, "it's like how the Spanish parliament allows members to speak in regional dialects, and pays for translators"
[lounge]|19:36 two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
[English]|19:36 Allen says, "to translate standard spanish into regional dialects. Even though every member can speak it fluently"
[English]|19:36 jenrexrode asks, "bite the wax tadpole?"
[lounge]|19:36 Ellison says, "later"
[lounge]|19:36 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|19:36 * Ellison has disconnected.
[lounge]|19:36 inky says, "hey, that's a pretty cool photo"
[English]|19:36 Fang says (to inky), "honestly, if I read welsh"
[English]|19:36 boucher asks, "I don't know if you know how Japanese versions of Mario Sunshine said 'Shine Get' when you got a sunshine-shaped medallion?"
[English]|19:36 Fang says, "I'd consider signs like these a perk"
[lounge]|19:37 Grocible says, "it's like 0.2-0.3 seconds before the actual hit, I think"
[English]|19:37 boucher says, "Some people found that fun, charming even.  It was 'Engrish', sure, but people liked it"
[English]|19:37 Fang says, "it'd be like a whole secret landscape only welsh readers can read"
[English]|19:37 Fang asks, "I mean, everyone who knows welsh I assume will know how to read english, right?"
[English]|19:38 boucher says, "So he tried to convince his bosses to allow bits of intentionally bad English into the translated versions, because they became memes and actually increased the popularity and awareness of the games."
[lounge]|19:38 Grocible says, "but a dramatic moment"
[English]|19:38 Fang says, "hah"
[English]|19:38 boucher says, "This was a tightrope they were not willing to walk, and I think he failed."
[English]|19:38 Olly asks, "What wax tadpole?"
[English]|19:39 jenrexrode says, "it's a famous mistranslation (fake I think)"
[English]|19:39 boucher says, "I personally enjoy, at least to a point, as long as I have a cheat sheet, trying to understand dialect and slang and so on."
[English]|19:40 boucher says, "As far as  know, it's real."
[English]|19:40 boucher says, "as I know*"
[English]|19:40 jenrexrode | http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/tadpole.asp
[English]|19:40 jenrexrode says, "they say partially"
[English]|19:42 boucher says, "I remember getting into a forum argument in which a train on a Mario Party train is referred to as 'spastic'"
[English]|19:42 boucher says, "To an American ear, this is merely a reference to something that is moving erratically"
[English]|19:43 Allen says, "the last truly native welsh speakers died in the 19th century."
[English]|19:43 boucher says, "But some British readers considered this an offensive reference to cerebral palsy sufferers and thus is politically incorrect."
[English]|19:43 Allen says, "the ones that grew up speaking only welsh"
[English]|19:44 Olly asks, "I would hear it as potentially offensive.  Is that what the argument was about?"
[English]|19:44 Olly says, "Timing."
[English]|19:45 inky says, "yeah, apparently 'spaz' etc are a big deal in uk english"
[workplace]|19:45 Allen says, "what a cluster---"
[English]|19:45 baf says, "(I remember someone at languagelog defined the term 'living language' as 'a langauge such that there are children who use it when speaking with each other, even when grownups tell them not to')"
[workplace]|19:45 Allen says, "they discovered another java site that has to be migrated by tomorrow"
[English]|19:45 inky says, "when this comes up on metafilter, the flipside word that people bring up is supposedly 'cunt' is pretty mild in uk/australian english"
[lounge]|19:45 maga enters the lounge. Thumps and penitent shrieks follow.
[workplace]|19:46 Allen says, "this migration project first came up in May"
[workplace]|19:46 Allen says, "we had several meetings"
[workplace]|19:46 inky says, "ha ha"
[workplace]|19:46 inky says, "I hope it has to be migrated into erlang"
[lounge]|19:46 Miseri says, "hi maga"
[English]|19:46 Olly says, "Interesting."
[workplace]|19:46 Allen says, "it's a java cms thing"
[workplace]|19:47 Allen says, "and it's not working currently, either at the old hosting company or in our test environment"
[workplace]|19:47 Allen says, "apparently a mount point was decommissioned a week ago, breaking it. We don't have any record of what was on the mount point, or even the directory structure"
[English]|19:48 Olly says, "My grandmother used to teach the children of native Crow speakers who had been reprimanded for speaking Crow in school.  Many of them decided that they would speak only English to their children."
[workplace]|19:48 Allen says, "so there are all these emails that started around 2pm, where we're trying to reverse engineer it"
[weather]|19:48 jenrexrode says, "gah, 99 still"
[lounge]|19:48 Grocible says, " http://hottubcinema.com/ "
[weather]|19:48 Allen says, "back in the furnace"
[weather]|19:48 jenrexrode asks, "106 in Irving!?"
[weather]|19:48 Allen says, "it was so pleasant in the smokey mountains yesterday"
[weather]|19:48 Allen says, "light drizzle"
[weather]|19:49 jenrexrode says, "yeah smokey mountains arecool"
[weather]|19:49 Allen says, "I had the window open except when the rain picked up, all the way to arkansas"
[English]|19:50 Olly says, "Apparently having a parent speak a language to them that is not their native language can be bad for children's cognitive development, though."
[English]|19:50 Olly says, "Not the parent's native language, that is."
[English]|19:50 Allen says, "huh. Like that guy who taught his kid klingon!"
[English]|19:51 maga says, "well, dual-language kids typically develop fluent speech somewhat later"
[lounge]|19:51 inky says, "I hope they show nothing but hot tub time machine"
[lounge]|19:51 Grocible goes home.
[lounge]|19:51 * Grocible has disconnected.
[lounge]|19:51 inky says, "and splash"
[English]|19:52 Olly says (to maga), "Yes, but they are still usually hearing their parents speaking their native languages, even if they are two different ones."
[English]|19:52 maga says, "but it's not generally bad for cognitive development long-term; it's just worrying if you're the sort of parent who gets freaked out if your kid doesn't develop at Lake Wobegon rates"
[lounge]|19:53 jenrexrode says, "looks really boring"
[lounge]|19:54 jenrexrode says, "but I'm not thinking about drinking the whole time"
[lounge]|19:54 nothings enters the lounge. Do you like him? Check box: [ ] YES [ ] NO
[lounge]|19:54 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|19:54 nothings says, "howdy"
[English]|19:54 Olly says, "I think the issue is that a parent can't necessarily express the full complexity of their thoughts in a second language."
[lounge]|19:54 Olly says, "Hello, nothings."
[English]|19:55 maga says, "there's definitely the You're Always Stupider In A Second Language thing, yeah"
[English]|19:55 Olly says (to maga), "Though some of out MUDders cast doubt on that, I'd say."
[English]|19:56 maga says, "indeed"
[English]|19:56 maga says, "and I think Emily grew up speaking a classical language or two, and she turned out all right"
[English]|19:56 Olly says, "Heh."
[ill]|19:57 maga says, "hooray, I have a bothersome skin condition that will probably not clear up for several weeks"
[ill]|19:58 jenrexrode asks, "shingles?"
[ill]|19:58 maga says, "on the plus side, it's not bedbugs, so we only have to treat me rather than treating the whole apartment"
[lounge]|19:58 Grocible, porn, Grocible, porn, Grocible.
[ill]|19:58 maga says (to jenrexrode), "not this time"
[lounge]|19:58 Olly says, "Hello, Grocible."
[lounge]|19:58 Grocible says, "re"
[ill]|19:59 maga says, "guttate psoriasis"
[ill]|19:59 maga says, "(at least that is their best bet)"
[ill]|20:00 inky says, "wow"
[tangent]|20:00 inky says, "hmm"
[tangent]|20:01 inky says, "I read a story once where some overachiever sibling came down with a disease the doctors hadn't even heard of"
[tangent]|20:01 inky asks, "does that ring any bells for anyone?"
[ill]|20:01 maga says, "well, if it was shingles I'd have been out for about that long, and spent most of it under knockout medication"
[tangent]|20:01 Olly asks, "Was it A Wind in the Door?"
[ill]|20:01 maga says, "so this is probably preferable"
[tangent]|20:02 inky asks, "I did read that, so I guess it's possible -- did that appear there?"
[tangent]|20:02 Olly says, "Charles Wallace, the genius little brother, has an unknown ailment."
[tangent]|20:02 inky says, "hmm"
[tangent]|20:02 Olly says, "It turns out that his mitochondria refuse to sing."
[tangent]|20:03 inky says, "that'll happen, yeah"
[tangent]|20:03 Olly says, "This must be cured through fantasy adventures and battles against evil."
[tangent]|20:04 Olly says, "Another fun story about small children and language that my grandmother tells is that when she first came to the United States she spent some time around a little girl who spoke both English and German, but who didn't didn't realize that she spoke more than one language, even though she knew which set of words went with which people.  Sometimes when my grandmother was talking to her in English, the little girl would use a word that she didn't know.  If she would ask 'what is it in German?' the girl would just look at her quizzically, but if she asked 'what would your mother call it?' the little girl would promptly tell her the German word."
[tangent]|20:04 Olly says, "ilac"
[tangent]|20:04 maga asks, "I've mentioned the trilingual family I stayed with, right?"
[lounge]|20:04 Doug goes home.
[tangent]|20:05 maga says, "the mother was German, the father Bolivian, and they lived in Germany so they all spoke German outside the house"
[tangent]|20:06 maga says, "they all also spoke fairly fluent English, and they knew I didn't speak Spanish or German to any great degree"
[tangent]|20:06 inky says, "man"
[tangent]|20:06 maga says, "but they would often look straight at me and rattle off fast conversational Spanish, thinking that they were speaking English"
[tangent]|20:07 Olly says, "Heh."
[tangent]|20:07 Olly says, "There's the primary language and the other language."
[tangent]|20:08 maga says, "well, if you're a German speaker then English might seem a bit romance-y, perhaps"
[lounge]|20:08 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[tangent]|20:09 Olly says, "I studied a little German when I was still in elementary school, and when I first started studying Spanish in high school bits of German kept popping out instead."
[lounge]|20:10 Olly says, "If I leave now I can have free dinner."
[lounge]|20:11 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[lounge]|20:16 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|20:16 * K-Y has disconnected.
[programming]|20:22 Jon says, "whee, I have an app running on Heroku."
[lounge]|20:23 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[lounge]|20:23 Ellison says, "re"
[lounge]|20:26 Grocible says, "the Abominable Ellison"
[lounge]|20:31 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|20:32 Ellison says, "oops, gotta go"
[lounge]|20:32 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|20:32 * Ellison has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:32 Grocible says, "The Abominable Squeamish"
[lounge]|20:34 inky says, "ok hom"
[lounge]|20:34 inky has been a constant source of support, of nourishment, and also of Lego robots.
[lounge]|20:35 McMartin says, "Hooray for Lego robots"
[MacOS]|20:42 K-Y says, "I'm starting to think that the optical drives Apple uses just handle the outer regions of a disc"
[MacOS]|20:42 K-Y says, "er, just *can't* handle"
[lounge]|20:43 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|20:43 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[workplace]|20:44 Allen says, "grr, my boss just called and asked why the fuck I wasn't answering my email"
[workplace]|20:44 Allen says, "because I took a 30 minute break to drive home and eat supper, I answer"
[workplace]|20:45 Allen says, "after working 10 1/2 hours without a break"
[workplace]|20:51 Jon says, "wait, this channel is #jobs minus #grr"
[workplace]|20:51 Jon says, "take it to #jobs"
[workplace]|20:51 Jon says, "also, your boss sucks"
[lounge]|20:57 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[videogames]|20:57 K-Y says, "the game has boosted me to 19 credits per game"
[videogames]|20:57 K-Y says, "I'm afraid to imagine how many I will have once I'm done"
[HarryPotter]|20:59 Allen | This new limited and numbered 31-disc collection contains all eight Harry Potter movies on Blu-ray, DVD and UltraViolet Digital Copy and more than 37 hours of special features including all previously released materials and more than 10 hours of new to disc bonus content, and 5 hours of never-before-seen material.
[HarryPotter]|21:00 Psmith says, "eventually, it'll end up being longer than Harry actually _spent_ at Hogwarts."
[HarryPotter]|21:01 Jon says, "ugh, ultraviolet digital copy"
[HarryPotter]|21:01 Jon says, "that is code for 'does not work on iOS devices except with their proprietary stupid app'"
[HarryPotter]|21:02 Allen says, "it's got a secret compartment too"
[HarryPotter]|21:02 Allen says, "which contains a dvd with more bonus footage"
[HarryPotter]|21:02 Jon says, "(as opposed to apple's proprietary app, i guess)"
[HarryPotter]|21:03 Allen says, "amazon has 36 5-star reviews and 234 1-star reviews"
[HarryPotter]|21:04 Allen says, "it's $500 by the way"
[HarryPotter]|21:05 Allen says, "but you get a real cloth map!"
[HarryPotter]|21:05 Allen says, "I haven't gotten a real cloth map with any product since, er, Might & Magic 3"
[lounge]|21:06 * K-Y has disconnected.
[lounge]|21:06 * K-Y has connected.
[HarryPotter]|21:06 Ghogg asks, "hm, I think my last one was Ultima Online?"
[MacOS]|21:06 K-Y says, "okay, yes, brightness needs boosting"
[HarryPotter]|21:07 Ghogg says, "or maybe Neverwinter Nights"
[I7]|21:11 Otis asks, "What does it mean when you crank the trace level way up and the debug output says 'Match filtered out: token filter -29354'?"
[I7]|21:13 zarf says, "an object didn't make the criteria specified in the grammar line."
[I7]|21:13 zarf says, "the number is a function address."
[I7]|21:15 vimes says, "aw, the "the don't talk to strangers when addressing inanimate objects" rule is no longer necessary"
[I7]|21:16 vimes says, "nor is the "don't talk to the walls" rule"
[I7]|21:16 vimes says, "curse you, intelligently refactored code, for making my I7 source less amusing"
[law]|21:17 K-Y says, "woo, first day recap http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/apple-to-jury-iphone-changed-everythingthen-samsung-built-knockoffs/ "
[lounge]|21:18 Hugo arrives unclothed and innocent, perfect in the still morning light.
[I7]|21:19 Otis says, "I was looking at the intfiction post by Eleas ('Some problem with conversation.') and trying to figure out what's going on. The "trace 6" level output shows 'Trying Dr Wilbur's skin (50) at word 4 / Matched (2) / Match with quality 2 / Match filtered out: token filter -29354'."
[law]|21:19 K-Y | The presentation was a sometimes choppy follow-up to McElhinny's smooth attack a few minutes before. Verhoeven read many slides directly and seemed to repeat his themes; a video had volume that jumped up and down wildly, and stopped playing at one point.
[I7]|21:20 Otis says, "The grammar line is the one for asking it about, so it's matching a topic at that point."
[law]|21:20 K-Y asks, "and Samsung has the *higher* paid lawyers?"
[law]|21:21 Allen | "This is the Korean '547 patent," said Verhoeven. "Again, you've got a large rectangular screen."
[law]|21:26 vimes says (to K-Y), "but Apple's lawyers get to use the incredible Apple subconscious presentation imprinting system"
[MacOS]|21:26 vimes says, "hey, neat"
[MacOS]|21:26 vimes | http://apple.blogoverflow.com/2012/07/interesting-new-unix-commandsbinaries-in-os-x-mountain-lion/
[MacOS]|21:26 vimes says, "particularly caffeinate"
[I7]|21:27 Otis asks, "but the topic is defined using a substitution enclosing... the name of a kind?"
[law]|21:29 K-Y says, "this is not the only high-stakes case I know of where the performances on both sides are wildly discrepant"
[lounge]|21:31 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|21:31 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]|21:34 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[lounge]|21:34 inky originally had the name "Legacy," a ponytail and one of those '90s headgear things everybody seemed to have for a while.
[DrawSomething]|21:35 vimes says, "ha ha, someone found my blog by way of a google search for "how to draw painter in draw something""
[lounge]|21:35 Jon says, "that dastardly inky"
[DrawSomething]|21:35 vimes says, "( http://wizardmode.com/2012/07/painting/ )"
[lounge]|21:36 vaporware enters the lounge. Wacky hijinks ensue. Or, more accurately: Hijinks ensue that are intended to be wacky, but are, in fact, predictable to the point of tedium.
[history]|21:40 Allen | Forget Titanic: Women and children rarely first off sinking ships
[history]|21:40 Allen | Database of disasters shows the crew has the highest survival rate.
[history]|21:40 inky says, "ha ha"
[history]|21:40 inky asks, "what about captains? do they not go down with the ship?"
[history]|21:41 maga says, "I seem to recall this from a few months ago, yeah"
[history]|21:41 Allen | two Swedish researchers have compiled data on 18 major maritime disasters, ranging from 1852 to 2011. An analysis of the survival shows that, in contrast to the Titanic, the crew generally does the best, and children the worst. Women started out doing pretty poorly, but their survival have been going up as the years have passed. But before we conclude that chivalry was dead and seeing a revival, we'll caution you that it may be just that more women now learn how to swim.
[DrawSomething]|21:41 Jota asks, "Is that a happy little tree?"
[history]|21:42 maga says, "also, fewer women now have to swim in ten petticoats"
[DrawSomething]|21:42 vimes says, "yeah, i briefly spaced that it's happy /clouds/"
[history]|21:42 Allen | Rather than going down with the ship, captains ended up coming in second, with just under half surviving.
[DrawSomething]|21:42 Jota says, "Hey, whatever they are in your own little world."
[DrawSomething]|21:43 vimes says, "blissed out on ross"
[tangent]|21:43 maga says, "I wonder if anybody ever designed a flotation corset"
[history]|21:43 Allen | If you exclude the Titanic, female survival was 18 percent, or about half the rate at which males came through alive.
[tangent]|21:43 maga says, "it seems just the thing for Sears-Roebuck"
[history]|21:44 Jota asks, "Why exclude it?"
[lounge]|21:44 nm, Whitehead and Russell reveal themselves as complete amateurs
[history]|21:47 maga says, "well, presumably it is the one big datapoint that will skew whatever set you put it in"
[history]|21:47 maga says, "though the casualties for the Lusitania can't be much lower"
[lounge]|21:47 nm concentrates, and disappears.
[lounge]|21:48 nm's seven minutes of terror begin.
[lounge]|21:48 nm says, "rehi"
[history]|21:48 Allen | In contrast, the Lusitania sank so quickly that there wasn't time to organize an evacuation, and women and children fared really badly.
[lounge]|21:48 McMartin says, "It is the inky"
[lounge]|21:48 Allen says, "that looks more like an nm"
[lounge]|21:48 McMartin says, "I meant to ask if the Lego robots in your disconnect were any particular Lego robots"
[lounge]|21:48 McMartin says, "It is also a vw and an nm, yes"
[lounge]|21:48 McMartin says, "At any rate, I have been contending with Lego Robots recently so the message jumped out"
[history]|21:49 maga asks, "ah, hm, so Titanic's odd because it a) took long enough to sink that an evacuation effort was possible, but b) despite the slow pace of sinking, there were lots of casualties?"
[lounge]|21:50 inky says, "it's about vincent baker's lego robots rpg"
[lounge]|21:50 inky | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/JoshuaACNewman/mobile-frame-zero-rapid-attack
[lounge]|21:51 McMartin says, "Ah, yes, that is in fact the point of contention"
[lounge]|21:51 McMartin says, "It is a wargame, though, not really an RPG"
[lounge]|21:51 inky says, "yeah, ok"
[lounge]|21:51 inky says, "I haven't actually messed with it myself"
[lounge]|21:51 McMartin says, "(Also pretty fun, though there is some rough edges still)"
[history]|21:52 Allen says, "Titanic is odd because the captain ordered the crew to enforce the women-and-children rule, using firearms to keep men from clammoring aboard the lifeboats"
[lounge]|21:52 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[lounge]|21:52 Ellison says, "re"
[history]|21:53 Allen | At the other end of the spectrum, nearly half the children on the Titanic survived, but figures for the rest of the shipwrecks were down near 15 percent. About a quarter of women survived other sinkings, but roughly three times that made it through the Titanic alive.
[lounge]|21:58 Limax enters the lounge on a pair of roller skates.
[jobs]|21:59 Limax says, "Strange turn of events today"
[history]|21:59 inky says, "I am sketching out a period thriller where someone is hunting down and killing the survivors of the titanic"
[jobs]|21:59 inky asks, "wha happen?"
[history]|22:00 inky says, "eventually they find the killer -- and it's the loch ness monster"
[jobs]|22:00 Limax says, "I had a career discussion with my manger this morning (my um... matrix manager... the one who manages software engineers, as opposed to my program manager)"
[history]|22:00 nothings asks, "finishing the job he'd failed at the first time?"
[history]|22:00 inky says, "exactly"
[history]|22:01 nothings asks, "the iceberg was a coverup?"
[jobs]|22:01 Limax says, "She was honest with me that there wasn't going to be really any jobs in the Bay Area"
[lounge]|22:01 Ellison says, "hey Limaz"
[lounge]|22:01 Ellison says, "er, x"
[lounge]|22:01 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[history]|22:01 nothings asks, "or just a cover?"
[jobs]|22:01 Limax says, "So, I sent her my resume and she sent it off to a manager in Huntsville"
[history]|22:01 vimes says, "a seal cozy"
[jobs]|22:02 Limax says, "Within an hour, that manger emailed me and said that someone out there was very interested in me"
[nap]|22:02 jenrexrode says, "2 hrs"
[nap]|22:02 jenrexrode says, "woke up feeling nauseous"
[jobs]|22:03 Limax says, "I looked at the two reqs, and they're right up my alley"
[jobs]|22:03 katre says, "woo"
[jobs]|22:03 Limax says, "The only drawback is that there's no relocation allowed for them"
[jobs]|22:03 katre says, "less woo"
[jobs]|22:03 katre says, "ask sargent about huntsville"
[jobs]|22:03 katre says, "but I know there's a decent-sized tech sector there"
[jobs]|22:03 Limax says, "So, before I apply I need to find out about that"
[jobs]|22:03 Limax says, "Yes, I know"
[lounge]|22:04 zarf walks off through the wall; deep blue light flares briefly around him.
[jobs]|22:05 Limax says, "But, I called my wife to ask if she was ready to move, and she is"
[lounge]|22:05 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, deep blue this time of day.
[Boston]|22:06 Limax says, "I arrive in Boston next Monday at 4"
[lounge]|22:07 jenrexrode wanders off.
[lounge]|22:07 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[jobs]|22:08 Jon says, "dang"
[jobs]|22:08 Jon says, "well, good luck"
[lounge]|22:08 Gerynar goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|22:09 jenrexrode goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[D&D]|22:11 katre says, "time for the hardest part... character name"
[D&D]|22:11 katre says, "(halfling rogue who thinks he's a wizard)"
[D&D]|22:11 Jota says, "Borfin."
[D&D]|22:12 vimes says, "Boccop."
[D&D]|22:12 inky says, "Gandief"
[D&D]|22:12 katre says (to jota), "sold"
[lounge]|22:13 nothings goes home.
[jobs]|22:16 Limax says, "Thanks.  I put a phone call into her tonight to see if relocation was negotiable, because that will make or break it"
[jobs]|22:17 Limax says, "It was close to 6pm Huntsville time when I got a moment to call her, so I'll hopefully takl to her in the morning"
[lounge]|22:17 Ellison goes southwest to play with toys.
[jobs]|22:22 inky says, "how soon would this happen? I thought you had a job for another year or so"
[lounge]|22:22 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[Boston]|22:23 nm says, "nice"
[Boston]|22:23 Limax says, "I leave Friday, but I fly back in on the 16th"
[lounge]|22:24 mwmiller enters the lounge with you.
[lounge]|22:24 (From mwmiller) You can smell the cheese.
[lounge]|22:24 mwmiller goes southwest to play with toys.
[wtf]|22:25 vimes | http://1sentence.livejournal.com/56744.html#cutid1
[Boston]|22:31 nm says, "aw, you will miss the People's Republic of Interactive Fiction meeting on 8/14"
[Boston]|22:31 Limax says, "Doh"
[Boston]|22:31 Limax says, "I was afraid of that"
[Boston]|22:32 Limax says, "I may catch the one in September, though"
[Boston]|22:32 nm says, "ah good"
[lounge]|22:32 jenrexrode arrives from the Toyshop, declaring, "It's Castle Grayskull -- AND IT'S MINE!"
[lounge]|22:32 jenrexrode pokes DavidW
[lounge]|22:32 jenrexrode pokes ggg
[Boston]|22:33 Limax says, "YEah... we may just have to get together on an 'off' Monday"
[lounge]|22:33 jenrexrode says, "DW has been idle for 4 hours, ggg for 4 days"
[Boston]|22:34 Limax says, "I will actually be around Labor Day Weekend"
[lounge]|22:35 Allen says, "nannymud used to have an idle message 'So-and-so has been idle so long they're probably dead in real life.'"
[lounge]|22:35 Allen says, "it was changed after this norwegian guy drowned, and his nanny account was still logged in 2 days later"
[lounge]|22:36 jenrexrode asks, "why do some people always have to ruin it for the rest of us?"
[lounge]|22:39 zaphod emerges.
[lounge]|22:47 BrenBarn busta.
[lounge]|22:47 jenrexrode goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[programming]|22:51 BrenBarn says, "check out this guy's rudimentary IF http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11751652/string-keeps-on-repeating-until-randint-provides-the-correct-answer "
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:53 Allen says, "oo, that's a nice full moon in my window"
[lounge]|22:54 Grocible says, "not very nannylike behaviour"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:56 jenrexrode says, "cool"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:56 Limax says, "It's not dark here yet"
[ringmovie]|22:57 Allen | 50 Shades of Gandalf the Grey
[ringmovie]|22:58 Allen | As for my favorite headline thus far, over at BadassDigest.com they proclaimed, "It's Official: 300 Page Children's Book To Be A Trilogy."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:58 jenrexrode says, "i know last nf we saved nfheroine9"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:59 jenrexrode says, "ilac"
[Olympics]|23:00 Jacqueline says, "So, far as I can tell, a vpn is the only way I can even see a recap of the opening ceremony."
[Olympics]|23:00 Jacqueline says, "I'd gotten a note from NBC saying I'd be able to watch events 48 hours after broadcast."
[Olympics]|23:00 Jacqueline says, "But that turned out to be pretty much a lie."
[Olympics]|23:00 Jacqueline says, "I can see a handful of very short clips on YouTube."
[Olympics]|23:01 Jacqueline says, "That is all."
[Olympics]|23:01 Allen says, "why care? The olympics isn't about sports anymore. It'"
[Olympics]|23:01 Allen says, "It's about monetizing the Olympics Brand"
[Olympics]|23:01 Jacqueline says, "I really have to say that if NBC wanted me to get all nostalgic and desire TV service again, they have failed to lure me back by screwing me over."
[Olympics]|23:01 Grocible says, "right. that's why the opening ceremony is sort of interesting"
[Olympics]|23:02 inky asks (of Jacqueline), "did you pay anything for this?"
[Olympics]|23:02 Grocible says, "fuck sports"
[Olympics]|23:02 Jacqueline says (to inky), "No.  I don't have a television, and there is no option to buy a subscription through their website.  They are distinctly against anyone who doesn't own a tv."
[cabal]|23:02 Grocible asks, "anyone with an ipad 2 want to have a look at book revision?"
[Olympics]|23:02 Allen says, "also, I saw some news story summary "NBC is now the equivalent of AT&T, giving you just enough to make slightly more convenient than switching to some other provider""
[Olympics]|23:03 Allen asks, "you don't have a TV? How do you play xbox or playstation?"
[Olympics]|23:03 Gerynar says, "I watched some of the opening ceremony online from a canadian broadcast (unofficially), was much better than NBCs coverage ... nowhere near the amount of inane chatter from commentators"
[Olympics]|23:03 Jacqueline says, "I mean, I could stroll downstairs and watch whatever is on right now in our lobby, but I was hoping to see the opening ceremonies because of some of the conversation it's inspired in various places."
[Olympics]|23:04 K-Y says (to Allen), "I play those piped into the laptop via USB port"
[Olympics]|23:04 Jacqueline says, "And yeah, truth be told I'd rather watch it on BBC."
[Olympics]|23:04 Allen says, "me, I don't have cable. Haven't had cable since the mid 90s. But, of course I have a tv"
[Olympics]|23:04 Allen says (to K-Y), "eeagh tiny screen tiny screen"
[Olympics]|23:05 Jacqueline says, "We haven't had satellite since 2003, and there was no other form of TV coverage in Alaska, so eventually I got rid of the big energy guzzling tv that I was only using to watch DVDs."
[Olympics]|23:05 K-Y says, "on the other hand, instant screen caps"
[Olympics]|23:05 Allen asks, "energy guzzling? You left it turned on all the time?"
[Olympics]|23:05 Jacqueline says, "So no, no tv."
[Olympics]|23:06 Jacqueline says, "No, but a flat screen is much better on energy, and I have no need of a flatscreen TV when I can do everything I wanted to do (up until now) via my computer."
[Olympics]|23:06 Jacqueline says, "I try not to buy things I don't need, and I don't need a flatscreen."
[Olympics]|23:06 Allen says, "wanna talk energy guzzling? See those articles that 1 cat == owning 2 twelve miles per gallon SUVs"
[Olympics]|23:06 Jacqueline asks (of Allen), "Truly?"
[Olympics]|23:07 Jacqueline says, "I rather doubt that.  Unless it's because of all the farting.  maga's cat does fart quite a lot."
[Olympics]|23:07 Allen says, "they're nearly 100% carnivores"
[Olympics]|23:07 Allen says, "there was a spurt of articles about how bad for the environment cats are"
[Olympics]|23:07 Allen says, "pre-industrial times supported 4 or 5 cats per square mile"
[Olympics]|23:08 Jacqueline says, "If you think there are cows being killed for pet cats, as opposed to them getting all the bits no one else will eat, then I'll buy it."
[Olympics]|23:08 Jacqueline says, "But we digress."
[Olympics]|23:08 Allen says, "yeah. quilted northern toilet paper is even worse"
[Olympics]|23:08 Jacqueline says, "Yes, I'll admit that, and we don't use that.  For that reason."
[Olympics]|23:09 Allen says, "cats + comfortable toilet paper is three times worse than any hummer driver"
[people-suk]|23:09 Jacqueline says, "I give up."
[people-suk]|23:10 Jacqueline says, "Allen really doesn't want me to get on my soapbox.  People don't want to hear the things we don't do or don't have or won't use because of their impact.  We're not perfect by any means, but we forgo a lot more than a lot of people do, and I've learned people really don't want to hear about it."
[people-suk]|23:11 inky says, "he just does it to be patriotic because he's texan"
[Olympics]|23:12 Allen says, "I hear some US senator from the carolinas wants future US olympics uniforms made by some company with factories in his state. Though, the factory was founded by a nazi and owned today by brits"
[D&D]|23:12 katre says, "okay, done"
[people-suk]|23:12 Jacqueline says, "snrk"
[D&D]|23:12 katre says, "there are a lot of bits that are optional in the new chargen"
[people-suk]|23:12 Jacqueline says, "I think I'm muting Olympics again now."
[D&D]|23:12 katre says, "but since they all give you cool stuff I dunno who'd skip them"
[Olympics]|23:13 jenrexrode says, "oops"
[Olympics]|23:13 Allen says, "like a typical 4-ton suv owner, I like to think I'm compensating, with my 3 cats"
[Olympics]|23:14 Allen says, "compensating for my lack of fur. And absence of giant cat ears. Man, I'd love a pair of giant ears that rotate cutely and focus on any sound in the area"
[Olympics]|23:14 jenrexrode says, "and then girls could tweak them"
[Olympics]|23:15 Allen says, "if I weren't 6'4""
[Olympics]|23:15 jenrexrode says, "we"
[Olympics]|23:16 jenrexrode says, "we"
[Olympics]|23:16 jenrexrode says, "argh"
[Olympics]|23:16 jenrexrode says, "we'd catch you napping"
[lounge]|23:28 DavidW goes southwest to play with toys.
[people-suk]|23:28 Jacqueline says, "I think I'm just not in the mood to mud."
[people-suk]|23:28 Jacqueline says, "At least, not when Allen keeps following me channel to channel."
[kitties]|23:29 K-Y | http://www.algernonproduct.co.jp/img_product/item/donyatsu/bg_dnt_fig1.jpg
[kitties]|23:30 Allen asks, "are those sex toys?"
[people-suk]|23:31 Ellison says, "if it helps, I don't think he's trying to annoy you... could just be one of those nights"
[kitties]|23:31 K-Y | http://www.algernonproduct.co.jp/img_product/item/donyatsu/bg_dnt_strap.jpg
[people-suk]|23:31 Jacqueline says, "Oh, I realize."
[people-suk]|23:31 Jacqueline says, "Which is why I am venting here not there."
[people-suk]|23:32 Jacqueline says, "maga just said to me, 'I have an idea.  Let's find something to do that doesn't piss you off.'  So I guess that's a clue that it may just be me."
[people-suk]|23:32 Jacqueline says, "But it's weird, because I had an awesome day."
[people-suk]|23:33 maga says (to Ellison), "well, no more than Allen always means to annoy everyone"
[lounge]|23:35 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[GerynarsAbode]|23:35 Gerynar quietly complains about 'net connections
[lounge]|23:35 Gerynar goes southwest to play with toys.
[GerynarsAbode]|23:37 Limax says, "Aw"
[people-suk]|23:39 Ellison says (to maga), "true, but I think he doesn't want to annoy people these days... unlike some years ago when he took even more pride in being contrary"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:39 Gerynar says, "heh...searching for "Phantom of the Opera" in netflix and it brings up "Captain America: First Avenger""
[GerynarsAbode]|23:41 Limax says, "Perfect"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:41 Limax asks, "Which version?"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:42 Gerynar says, "2011...the one with the guy from the Avengers movie"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:42 Gerynar says, "I guess I'll watch that (depending on 'net staying connected)"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:42 Limax says, "Huh.  I didn't know there was one that recent"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:43 Gerynar says, "it's one of the "prequel" movies for the avengers"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:43 Gerynar says, "I saw it in the theaters and enjoyed it."
[GerynarsAbode]|23:43 Limax asks, "Phantom of the Opera is?"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:43 Limax says, "Unless you're talking about Captain America... which Idid see and enjoyed"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:43 Gerynar says, "no, Netflix streaming isn't offering Phantom of the Opera"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:43 Gerynar says, "I was talkin' about Cpt Am."
[news]|23:44 Allen | police officer tased a 12-year-old girl inside a Victoria's Secret Wednesday afternoon at South County Center.
[lounge]|23:44 Miseri is very disappointed in you.  Earlier, he may have ransacked your office, but he is *very* disappointed in you.
[lounge]|23:45 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|23:45 * Emily has disconnected.
[GerynarsAbode]|23:45 Limax says, ";Okay"
[lounge]|23:46 nm says, "g'night MUD"
[GerynarsAbode]|23:46 Gerynar says, "man, I can't wait until Sprint lights up LTE in Indiana, then I can (hopefully) get a nice, fast network connection"
[lounge]|23:46 nm goes home.
[GerynarsAbode]|23:46 Limax says, "Heh"
[lounge]|23:47 Ellison arrives from the Toyshop, covered in silly string.
[lounge]|23:48 jenrexrode arrives from the Toyshop, Slinkies dangling from every appendage.
[lounge]|23:48 Gerynar arrives from the Toyshop, Slinkies dangling from every appendage.
[obits]|23:49 Limax says, "Huh.  Someone on Twitter said that Gore Vidal died"
[dreams]|23:49 BrenBarn says, "I had some odd dreams last night"
[dreams]|23:50 BrenBarn says, "I dreamed I was on campus, then took the bus to somewhere where I had my car parked, then drove home"
[lounge]|23:50 DavidW arrives from the Toyshop, Battleship pieces protruding from every orifice.
[dreams]|23:50 BrenBarn says, "I went up to the apartment door, but just as I put the key in I realized it was the wrong door (I had gone to a different apartment in the same building)"
[dreams]|23:50 BrenBarn says, "I went to my actual apartment and went in, but when I hit the light switch, the lights didn't come on"
[Hugo]|23:51 Ellison says, "I was reminded today that when PreParse is processed, verbroutine is still set to the previous turn's verb routine. part of me thinks that could be used for something interesting but the rest of me can't think of what that thing would be"
[dreams]|23:51 BrenBarn says, "this was interesting because I heard of this deal where lightswitches not working is supposed to be a warning you're in a dream, but I didn't think of that in the dream"
[dreams]|23:51 BrenBarn says, "I went over and tried the bathroom light and it also didn't work"
[dreams]|23:51 BrenBarn says, "I figured the power must be out"
[dreams]|23:51 BrenBarn says, "then in the dark I saw someone sit up on the couch"
[dreams]|23:51 BrenBarn says, "I was freaked and yelled 'Who's there'"
[Hugo]|23:51 Hugo says, "What a brilliant design choice."
[dreams]|23:51 BrenBarn says, "the person got up and came toward me and I saw it was my brother"
[dreams]|23:52 BrenBarn says, "then it seemed we had a little tussle"
[Hugo]|23:52 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[dreams]|23:52 BrenBarn says, "then there was a bit where I seemed to be watching an episode of some TV show that was well known for being really bad"
[news]|23:52 inky says, "well, they have to protect the secret"
[dreams]|23:52 BrenBarn says, "it started off with this guy who was a real slob cleaning up the living room/kitchen area of the place where he lived"
[dreams]|23:53 BrenBarn says, "he was just throwing food, dishes, even small appliances into this big bin that he then took out to the trash"
[dreams]|23:53 BrenBarn says, "one of his roommates was watching all this calmly"
[dreams]|23:53 BrenBarn says, "then another roommate came back"
[dreams]|23:53 BrenBarn says, "that guy was apparently a real neat freak and retched when he saw how messy the place was"
[dreams]|23:53 BrenBarn says, "the guys started talking about some relationship issues and I guess one guy was telling another guy not to sleep with a certain woman because she was his ex"
[dreams]|23:54 BrenBarn says, "the scene cut away to a sort of industrial factory type place where the woman's name appeared and then various metal gates and doors closed over it"
[dreams]|23:54 BrenBarn says, "and it was supposed to be like, haw haw, this means she's off limits"
[politics]|23:54 Allen asks, "stupidest online poll ever?"
[politics]|23:54 Allen says, "I mean, ever, really."
[politics]|23:54 Allen | Are you going to download the app to see whom Mitt Romney picks for a running mate?
[politics]|23:54 Allen |     Yes
[politics]|23:54 Allen |     No
[politics]|23:54 Allen |     I don't have a smartphone
[dreams]|23:54 BrenBarn says, "but it went on for like 30 seconds with dozens and dozens of these doors closing until all the viewers were like, okay, yeah, we get it"
[dreams]|23:55 BrenBarn says, "apparently this was the sort of dumb stuff the show was known for"
[dreams]|23:55 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[dreams]|23:55 inky says, "ha ha"
[dreams]|23:55 BrenBarn says, "like overdoing gags and stuff"
[dreams]|23:55 BrenBarn says, "then I was in a movie theater"
[dreams]|23:55 (from inky) BrenBarn says "Who's scripting this lame-ass dream anyway?"
[dreams]|23:55 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[dreams]|23:55 BrenBarn says, "a movie of 50 Shades of Grey had come out and we were seeing a trailer for it"
[dreams]|23:56 BrenBarn says, "but it was a really long trailer, like an hour long"
[dreams]|23:56 BrenBarn says, "in the movie, there was this long wordless scene where the guy and girl were hanging up their laundry on a clothesline and taking down the dry laundry"
[dreams]|23:56 BrenBarn says, "and just sort of giving each other loving looks"
[politics]|23:57 K-Y says, "I keep thinking it would be beautiful if this app fails to carry out its only purpose"
[dreams]|23:57 BrenBarn says, "then they took something off the line and it revealed a woman who had been hiding behind it"
[dreams]|23:57 BrenBarn says, "she ran off"
[Hugo]|23:57 Ellison says, "guess you could create a global called lastverbroutine and set verbroutine to that in PreParse, then all of your responses can act appropriately"
[dreams]|23:57 BrenBarn says, "but the main woman character was all atwitter because she thought the guy was cheating on her with that woman"
[dreams]|23:57 K-Y asks, "is that in the book?"
[dreams]|23:57 Ellison says, "ha ha hiding woman"
[dreams]|23:57 BrenBarn says, "I haven't read the book, but I doubt it involves a woman hiding behind clothes hanging on a clothesline"
[dreams]|23:58 BrenBarn says, "so to 'calm her down' the guy tells her to go visit his stable"
[dreams]|23:58 BrenBarn says, "and apparently she's never been there before so the novelty of this distracts her"
[dreams]|23:58 BrenBarn says, "she gets in this elevator and goes up dozens of floors"
[dreams]|23:58 BrenBarn says, "the 'stable' is this giant skyscraper"
[dreams]|23:58 Allen says, "oh! I had this neat dream while on vacation. I dreamed a bunch of people were going to blow up cars on a distant island. So the news media all gathered around. But then the car didn't blow up. And it turned out the people that notified the media were ghosts. They did it because they were hanging around vampires. They were the victims of vampires. And they wanted to turn the media against the vampires. But all these cats showed up too. And cars. And the cats were wandering around and the cars were trying desperately to avoid them. And some talking head on the tv said "Uh, I don't think this is credible. Vampires would never willingly endanger cats." and that's when everyone realized it was the vindicative ghosts"
[dreams]|23:58 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[dreams]|23:59 BrenBarn says, "but then when she gets to the top, it turns out she had no intention of doing what the guy said but was just tricking him"
[dreams]|23:59 Ellison says (to Allen), "dang"
[dreams]|23:59 BrenBarn says, "she runs along this catwalk on the roof"
[dreams]|23:59 BrenBarn says, "then at the edge she just dives off into space"
[dreams]|23:59 BrenBarn says, "and somehow she has this flying suit thing that lets her zoom like a helicopter all over the city, looking for that woman who ran away"
[dreams]|00:00 BrenBarn says, "and we're all sitting in the theater watching this"
[dreams]|00:00 BrenBarn says, "and as it becomes more and more ludicrous people start to jeer and make mocking comments at the screen"
[Hugo]|00:00 Hugo says, "Yeah, there might actually(!) be a use for that."
[dreams]|00:00 BrenBarn says, "and then this usher woman is saying she'll kick people out if they make a ruckus"
[Hugo]|00:00 Hugo says, "Although probably mostly just for flippant responses, admittedly."
[dreams]|00:00 inky says, "ruckus"
[dreams]|00:00 BrenBarn says, "and one guy starts loudly asking to be kicked out just so he won't have to keep watching this awful movie"
[dreams]|00:01 BrenBarn says, "that was the dream"
[dreams]|00:01 Ellison says, "for anyone that missed it, my odd dream from two nights ago is still in recap."
[Hugo]|00:01 Ellison says, "yeah"
[Hugo]|00:01 Ellison says, "still, we work hard to be flippant, sometimes"
[Hugo]|00:02 Ellison says, "my dreams are a lot simpler than everyone else's, it seems"
[Hugo]|00:02 Ellison says, "iladc"
[dreams]|00:02 Ellison says, "my dreams are a lot simpler than everyone else's, it seems"
[news]|00:05 Allen | New Britain, Connecticut: An internal affairs report just released says that the now retired police captain was having sex while on duty for years, even while he was working overtime. "The behavior described in the report was unacceptable," said the interim Police Chief. "We are public servants and should be held accountable when we engage in inappropriate activity as documented in that investigative report."
[news]|00:05 Allen says, "should be held accountable == being forced into retirement at age 42 and allowed to receive a $52,000 a year pension"
[news]|00:06 Allen says, "also:"
[news]|00:06 Allen | The word "sex" was removed throughout the 74-page report in the version that was released to the press Tuesday.
[news]|00:06 Allen | In addition to his pension, Paventi also received payment for all of his accrued sick, vacation and personal days after he returns about $25,000 he was paid while on administrative leave for more than three months as the allegations were investigated.
[facebook]|00:07 jenrexrode says, "I think David Slimp must be an old BBSer"
[lounge]|00:08 Emily arrives.
[facebook]|00:08 Limax says, "I guess that would mean more if I knew who that was"
[news]|00:08 Allen asks, "who doesn't love public unions?"
[facebook]|00:08 jenrexrode says, "some stranger that friended me on FB"
[lounge]|00:09 Ellison says, "hey Emily"
[lounge]|00:09 Emily says, "hey"
[yay]|00:10 Emily says, "good day of work followed by a kickass workout"
[facebook]|00:11 jenrexrode says, "sure nuff, he's a member of the After Hours BBS group.  I couldn't figure out where he came from."
[lounge]|00:15 Limax says, "Off"
[lounge]|00:15 Limax walks slowly out of the room and into the sunset.
[lounge]|00:17 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|00:17 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]|00:19 borowski saved Latin. What did you ever do?
[lounge]|00:19 * borowski has disconnected.
[California]|00:21 Allen | The state has approved spending on acupuncture, art and drama classes, sweat lodges for American Indians, parenting courses for Spanish-speakers and massage chairs for students in Southern California. More than two dozen counties have spent money on anti-bullying programs and several have used it to fund horseback riding therapy, including a $944,843 program in Kings County.
[California]|00:21 Allen | Fresno County spent $315,000 on gardens for Hmong refugees. In San Francisco, Proposition 63 money pays for city workers with mental illness in their families to attend lunchtime yoga classes.
[California]|00:22 Allen | As a group, people with mental and emotional disabilities don't tend to vote in large numbers. However, city workers, teachers and staff, and folks receiving money for ego-stroking programs do tend to turn out and vote for those who give them such money. So this shouldn't come as a surprise.
[jobs]|00:22 vaporware asks, "belated... no jobs in the bay area for a software engineer?"
[California]|00:23 Allen says, "(this was prop 63, the millionaire's tax, supposedly marked for mental health expenditures)"
[California]|00:24 vaporware says, "I tried a sweat lodge once. It didn't make me any saner."
[California]|00:24 Allen | Voters approved Proposition 63, the so-called "millionaire's tax," in 2004 to make up for decades of mental health cuts. The ballot summary said it would "expand services and develop innovative programs" for the mentally ill
[California]|00:26 Allen | For three years, the Department of Mental Health paid someone $76,000 a year to work from home and recruit celebrities to promote a Proposition 63 anti-stigma campaign. The position, which also included interacting with local law enforcement, was cut in 2011 after the state auditor's office determined it had been a waste of public funds.
[lounge]|00:35 ghira wakes
[lounge]|00:37 jenrexrode says, "HELLO"
[politics]|00:38 McMartin says, "I'm not sure if that's dumber than 'What is the Specific Gravity of Chromium'"
[jobs]|00:39 inky says, "within his existing company, I think"
[lounge]|00:43 Petrosilius arrives from the east.
[lounge]|00:43 Petrosilius says, "Morning."
[lounge]|00:44 inky says, "howdy"
[lounge]|00:50 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|00:50 * K-Y has disconnected.
[vaporizer]|00:53 vaporware says, "Creepy. I just got another misdirected email, presumably for some other jmcgrew... filled with apartment hunting links for the south bay."
[vaporizer]|00:53 vaporware says, "This region ain't big enough for the two of us."
[news]|00:53 McMartin says, "Gore Vidal has died"
[vaporizer]|00:53 vaporware says, "Maybe the one who bought bad pizza is moving up here."
[vaporizer]|00:54 inky says, "well, if you sabotage his apartment hunt, he won't be able to move here"
[news]|00:54 inky says, "hunh"
[news]|00:55 (from McMartin) McMartin says, "Also, yesterday, Gore Vidal was alive"
[news]|00:56 vaporware says, "Co-founder of Vidal Sassoon."
[news]|00:58 McMartin says, "A mistake I make more often than I care to admit"
[USA]|01:07 ghira says, "How hard is it to get a credit card in the US assuming you have a job? I'd imagined trivial, but guy on it.lavoro.informatica who is moving to California to work is being warned by people that it could take him _ages_ to get a credit card. (not sure what "ages" means)"
[USA]|01:09 Ellison says, "it's easy to get a debit card for you checking account that can be used as a credit card. I'd imagine it's easy enough to get a regular credit card but I don't really know."
[USA]|01:09 Ellison says, "your"
[USA]|01:09 ghira says, "a credit card with a really low limit seems like it should be no problem"
[USA]|01:10 Ellison says, "you'd think"
[USA]|01:10 ghira says, "but I haven't applied for a new credit card for, oh, seems like about 10 years now, and of course I don't live in the US"
[MacOS]|01:12 Petrosilius asks, "Anyone else encountering unbelievable slow time machine backups via LAN after installaing 10.8?"
[USA]|01:12 Jon says, "generally it's not that difficult to get 'a credit card', if all you want is something with the visa logo on it that feeds into your credit score."
[USA]|01:12 Jon says, "rewards cards and such are more selective"
[USA]|01:13 ghira says, "Yeah I imagine "a credit card" is enough"
[MacOS]|01:13 zarf asks, "I don't use Time Machine, but is spotlight menu still declaring "indexing"?"
[MacOS]|01:14 Petrosilius says, "No, indexing got through quite fast."
[MacOS]|01:15 zarf says, "oh well. that was my idea."
[MacOS]|01:15 Jon says, "my first Time Machine backup to a USB hard drive was slow. I can only imagine a network backup would be insanely slow."
[MacOS]|01:15 Petrosilius says, "Started TM in the evening and it only got 10 of 80G transferred over night (with still 3 days to go)."
[jobs]|01:15 ghira asks, "is "fibre channel" my problem?"
[jobs]|01:15 ghira says, "I've heard of it but never seen it."
[jobs]|01:16 ghira says, "it seems to be a scsi-type thing."
[jobs]|01:16 ghira says, "so it seems more like a server-people problem than my problem"
[MacOS]|01:16 Petrosilius says, "Local drive is quote fast, reverting to a USB drive gives an estimate of 1 hour for the initial run (10G in about 30 mins)."
[lounge]|01:22 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[two-story]|01:24 two-star says, "I suppose it wouldn't help to tell a friend who appears to have Borderline Personality Disorder that she appears to have Borderline Personality Disorder."
[two-story]|01:24 ghira asks, "will she have immediate access to google?"
[two-story]|01:25 two-star says, "Well, assume that the meaning of the term is communicated in some fashion."
[two-story]|01:26 ghira says, "I am looking at a definition now and suspect my reaction to being told I might have it would be "oh""
[two-story]|01:26 inky says, "you should stick to talking about concrete incidents"
[two-story]|01:27 inky says, "and encourage her to talk to a professional about them"
[two-story]|01:28 two-star says (to inky), "that's reasonable."
[lounge]|01:28 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|01:29 Olly says, "Hello, MUDlings."
[lounge]|01:29 Ellison says, "hey two-star and Olly"
[two-story]|01:29 two-star says, "The problem is, she responds to criticism by thinking you hate her."
[lounge]|01:29 Olly shoots the beneficial Gene Ray at zarf, whose eyes gain the ability to see perfectly in absolute dark.
[lounge]|01:30 jenrexrode says, "if you set it too high, he'll get a Gene Ray burn"
[lounge]|01:31 jenrexrode says, "that reminds me, I have some unwatched Match Game 74 on my DVR"
[lounge]|01:31 Olly shoots the beneficial Gene Ray at jenrexrode, who gains the ability to always think of the right word in the right situation.
[lounge]|01:32 jenrexrode says, "thanks"
[lounge]|01:32 Olly says, "That's a useful ability."
[TSD]|01:32 two-star says, "This show NBC is promoting during the Olympics is produced by Dick Wolf."
[lounge]|01:32 jenrexrode says, "yeah, and something I'm concerned about, too"
[Olympics]|01:34 jenrexrode says, "wow, this beach volleyball girl has the same name as that girl that went missing in florida 6 years ago. And she kinda looks like her, too."
[Olympics]|01:35 Olly says, "Do I remember correctly that the beach volleyball players were going to wear more clothes than they had traditionally."
[Olympics]|01:35 Olly asks, "?"
[Olympics]|01:35 jenrexrode says, "some do"
[Olympics]|01:36 inky says, "well, they changed the rules this year to allow shirts, I think"
[Olympics]|01:36 Olly says, "Maybe that's what I remember hearing, that they were allowed more choice now."
[Olympics]|01:36 inky says, "and the US team went back and forth on whether they were going to wear them"
[Olympics]|01:36 inky says, "(I think everybody else stuck with bikinis)"
[Olympics]|01:36 jenrexrode says, "USA is wearing a long sleeve jersey with bikini bottoms, and Netherlands is wearing a full diivng suit"
[Olympics]|01:36 Olly says, "I guess there isn't an Iranian beach volleyball team."
[Olympics]|01:36 inky asks, "a diving suit?"
[Olympics]|01:36 jenrexrode says, "with a turtle neck"
[Olympics]|01:37 inky says, "that seems like it would be pretty warm"
[Olympics]|01:37 jenrexrode says, "it's black long sleeve turtle neck with black pants"
[Olympics]|01:38 jenrexrode says, "i don't think it's neoprene, tho"
[Olympics]|01:38 Olly asks, "Can landlocked countries have beach volleyball teams?"
[Olympics]|01:38 jenrexrode says, "sure"
[Olympics]|01:38 inky says, "there should be a beach triathalon where you swim for a while, then play volleyball, then surf"
[Olympics]|01:39 jenrexrode says, "this stadium is land locked"
[Olympics]|01:39 jenrexrode says, "shoot an e-mail to the IOC"
[Olympics]|01:39 jenrexrode says, "it sounds like fun"
[lounge]|01:39 McMartin puts away his facade of shady goods for sale cheap
[lounge]|01:40 Olly asks, "?"
[lounge]|01:40 McMartin says, "Just taking katre's disconnect seriously"
[lounge]|01:40 jenrexrode says, "ohhhh"
[lounge]|01:41 Olly says, "Heh.  I might have gotten that if I had read katre's disconnect."
[lounge]|01:41 Olly says, "Likely not, though."
[Olympics]|01:42 Olly says, "I haven't watched any of the Olympics yet."
[Olympics]|01:43 Olly says, "I should probably do that."
[Olympics]|01:44 jenrexrode says, "i'm gonna record some table tennis, because it starts at 3am"
[lounge]|01:45 jenrexrode says, "borowski ran away before I could wish him happy birthday"
[lounge]|01:45 Olly says, "Drat."
[ollyprattle]|01:51 Olly says, "I almost admitted myself to the mental health crisis house on Sunday night.  That would have been the third time a stay of mine coincided with a major TV event.  I wonder if they would have suspected that I was only there to watch the Olympics."
[ollyprattle]|01:51 jenrexrode exclaims, "oh no!"
[ollyprattle]|01:52 jenrexrode asks, "what were the other 2 major TV events?"
[ollyprattle]|01:52 Olly says, "The most recent World Cup and the wedding of Prince William to Kate Middleton."
[ollyprattle]|01:53 Olly says, "I didn't actually see very much of the latter, but I saw a little."
[ollyprattle]|01:54 jenrexrode says, "I don't think you've established a pattern"
[ollyprattle]|01:55 Olly asks, "No?  You mean there have been a lot of TV events that I've missed?"
[ollyprattle]|01:56 jenrexrode says, "I don't think the world cup is on the radar, unless you do a lot of cheering and hollering"
[ollyprattle]|01:57 Olly says, "The World Cup is one of the few things I actually will go out of my way to watch on TV."
[lounge]|01:57 inky says, "ok zz"
[lounge]|01:57 inky has been a constant source of support, of nourishment, and also of Lego robots.
[ollyprattle]|01:58 Olly says, "There is also the fact that I've been in there four, possibly five, time.  Those two events only account for two."
[ollyprattle]|01:58 Olly says, "+s"
[ollyprattle]|01:58 jenrexrode says, "yeah, no pattern detectable pattern there"
[ollyprattle]|02:02 Olly says, "My most recent visit seems finally to have convinced my providers that my medication wasn't working."
[ollyprattle]|02:02 jenrexrode says, "wow, that's a lot of work to communicate that"
[ollyprattle]|02:03 Olly says, "This was a good thing, since now they are giving me medication that does work, at least partly."
[ollyprattle]|02:03 jenrexrode says, "yeah"
[ollyprattle]|02:04 Olly says (to jenrexrode), "Yes, I kind of felt as though I kept telling them that the old meds didn't help and nothing happened."
[lounge]|02:05 jenrexrode says, "oh, August 1.  better pay some bills"
[ollyprattle]|02:05 Olly says, "I think they were kind of afraid to change them because I hadn't made a suicide attempt since starting them."
[ollyprattle]|02:06 Olly says, "I hadn't made a suicide attempt during the previous 23 years either, though."
[ollyprattle]|02:06 jenrexrode says, "I think my friend is on her last med before they try electro shock therapy"
[ollyprattle]|02:07 Olly says, "Except the one that immediately preceded starting that medication."
[ollyprattle]|02:07 Olly says (to jenrexrode), "That's pretty scary."
[ollyprattle]|02:07 jenrexrode says, "yeah, I was more scared than she was."
[ollyprattle]|02:08 Olly says, "I guess some people do find that helpful."
[ollyprattle]|02:08 jenrexrode says, "yeah, it can permanently rewire the brain, and give a fresh start"
[ollyprattle]|02:08 jenrexrode says, "also memory loss..."
[ollyprattle]|02:09 jenrexrode says, "temporary, tho, I think"
[ollyprattle]|02:10 Olly says, "I feel as if my brain has gotten progressively more screwed up."
[lounge]|02:10 jenrexrode says, "hm, already paid most of em, and there's not much $$$ left"
[whiz-games]|02:11 Whizzard stretches.
[lounge]|02:12 Whizzard stretches.
[lounge]|02:12 Whizzard says, "Heyo."
[lounge]|02:12 Olly says, "Hello, Whizzard."
[lounge]|02:12 Petrosilius says, "Hey."
[ollyprattle]|02:12 Olly says, "Hopefully it will get better over time if I can stay more stable, though."
[ollyprattle]|02:13 jenrexrode says, "that sucks.  I don't think my brain has changed much at all, but I used to go around with my hand off the reins, and I can't do that.  I have to make sure to not to get too emotional and stuff."
[lounge]|02:14 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|02:14 * Emily has disconnected.
[ollyprattle]|02:14 jenrexrode says, "being stable was a lot less work with drugs, but drugs were inconvenient with their side effects that upset me more than my own terrible thoughts and feelings."
[lounge]|02:15 Whizzard asks, "How goes it?"
[ollyprattle]|02:16 Olly nods.
[ollyprattle]|02:16 jenrexrode says, "I'm much better on my own, too.  There's a lot more moodiness with dealing with people,"
[ollyprattle]|02:18 jenrexrode says, "it's really hard to schedule anything with my friend since we're seldom both free and sane at the same time"
[ollyprattle]|02:18 Olly asks, "Do you deal with people less than you used to?"
[ollyprattle]|02:19 Olly says, "Heh."
[ollyprattle]|02:20 jenrexrode says, "well I work with people all day, but I don't live with anyone or have a boyfriend.  I also didn't go to Christmas, New Years, Easter, or do anything for my birthday, because I didn't want to be around people or do anything."
[lounge]|02:20 zarf walks off through the wall; pale green light flares briefly around him.
[lounge]|02:20 Olly asks, "Ok.  How are you?"
[lounge]|02:21 Whizzard says, "Not bad. Spent the evening painting miniatures."
[ollyprattle]|02:21 jenrexrode says, "my mom dropped in on my birthday, and I was really not into having a guest at all.  She stayed until I got hungry and made some food, and then she at some of it with me.  I'd have preferred if she had left before that.  Just don't feel like sharing time/food with people.  Want to rest a lot."
[lounge]|02:21 Olly asks, "That sounds fun.  What kind of miniatures were they?"
[lounge]|02:21 Whizzard says, "Steampunk naval minis."
[lounge]|02:21 jenrexrode says, "cool"
[lounge]|02:22 Whizzard says, "Oh, that's right, I've got a gallery to show off now."
[lounge]|02:22 Whizzard says, "Here's my first navy. I've started on a 2nd now. http://community.spartangames.co.uk/index.php?/gallery/album/308-gkevinws-fsa-fleet-and-air-force/page__display__detail "
[lounge]|02:23 jenrexrode says, "now just smear grease on them"
[lounge]|02:24 Whizzard says, "Heh."
[lounge]|02:24 Whizzard says, "They're painted up parade style."
[lounge]|02:24 McMartin involves a universe where the art of operating tanks (Sensha-do) is a traditional martial art for girls
[lounge]|02:25 Olly says, "Blimp-born aircraft carrier."
[kitties]|02:25 jenrexrode says, "dexter is shoving paws and claws under my checkbook that o"
[kitties]|02:25 jenrexrode says, "I'm trying to balance"
[lounge]|02:25 Olly asks, "Why don't we have those in real life?"
[lounge]|02:26 Whizzard says, "No one dares to land on them. :)"
[kitties]|02:26 jenrexrode says, "ok, i think he lost interest in what I was doing"
[lounge]|02:26 Whizzard says, "Also note the crazy ass double decker aircraft carrier."
[lounge]|02:28 Olly says, "Oh yeah.  Wild."
[ollyprattle]|02:28 Olly says, "So far the lithium seems to be quite helpful to me with the worst side effect being puffy extremities, and maybe only when I don't drink enough water."
[kitties]|02:28 jenrexrode asks, "puffy enough that there's pain?"
[kitties]|02:29 jenrexrode says, "ilac"
[ollyprattle]|02:29 jenrexrode asks, "puffy enough that's there's pain?"
[ollyprattle]|02:30 Olly says, "No."
[ollyprattle]|02:31 jenrexrode says, "that's good that there;s not additional pain"
[ollyprattle]|02:31 Olly says, "My feet have gotten more puffy before on a long airplane flight."
[lounge]|02:32 vaporware vows never to return again, as he leads a rumba line out of the lounge after setting the place on fire.
[ollyprattle]|02:33 jenrexrode says, "I was getting a lot of that, but with pain, before i realized I was allergic to yellow #5"
[ollyprattle]|02:34 Olly says, "Food allergies. :("
[ollyprattle]|02:35 Olly asks, "How did you figure that out?"
[ollyprattle]|02:36 jenrexrode says, "some one else allergic to it asked me if I'd eaten candy corn, after I showed them my unexplained hives."
[ollyprattle]|02:36 jenrexrode says, "and I had eat it the night before"
[ollyprattle]|02:36 jenrexrode says, "+en"
[ollyprattle]|02:37 Olly says, "A fortunate encounter."
[ollyprattle]|02:38 jenrexrode asks, "yeah, and i think it's all tied to ibuprofen, too. like I abused it until I developed an allergy to it, and then yellow #5 could be similar chemically?"
[ollyprattle]|02:39 jenrexrode says, "i thought hives were stress, and they still are, but I'm predisposed to stress hived if I don't control the yellow #5 intake"
[ollyprattle]|02:39 Olly says, "That sounds plausible."
[lounge]|02:39 * ghira has disconnected.
[lounge]|02:39 * ghira has connected.
[lounge]|02:39 ghira says, "meep"
[lounge]|02:39 Olly says, "Hello, ghira."
[lounge]|02:39 jenrexrode says, "re"
[lounge]|02:40 ghira says, "jen and oll"
[ollyprattle]|02:41 Olly says, "I took Celebrex, a prescription NSAID for a while, but eventually it started giving me dizzy spells and possibly causing other problems."
[ollyprattle]|02:42 Olly says, "+,"
[ollyprattle]|02:42 jenrexrode says, "so I'm thinking that I should do more work on the anxiety/stress end of things, and not worry about being depressed for now.  I'm not sad, just exhausted.  but when I was in a relationship, there was more hopelessness. Right now I'm just kinda meh"
[ollyprattle]|02:44 Olly says, "That sounds like a good idea, especially since stress can make depression worse, too."
[ollyprattle]|02:45 jenrexrode says, "and stress makes me eat, which makes me fat, which makes me sad"
[ollyprattle]|02:45 Olly nods.
[ollyprattle]|02:46 Olly says, "My father keeps trying to get me to take up meditation."
[ollyprattle]|02:46 jenrexrode says, "yeah, but it seems silly.  I need to get over the idea that it's silly."
[ollyprattle]|02:47 jenrexrode says, "but meditation works for a lot of people, or yoga or bio feedback"
[ollyprattle]|02:48 Olly says, "You don't have to believe in any of the spiritual stuff.  You can view it as a method of modifying the activity of your brain, which is the important aspect for your purposes."
[ollyprattle]|02:49 jenrexrode says, "yeah, but I have to stop thinking about what's on TV, Facebook, the MUD."
[ollyprattle]|02:49 jenrexrode says, "maybe I should meditate at a place with less distractions, don't know"
[ollyprattle]|02:49 ghira asks, "do you have a cat?"
[ollyprattle]|02:49 Olly says, "Indeed.  I think that would be the difficult part."
[ollyprattle]|02:49 Olly asks, "Me, or jen?"
[ollyprattle]|02:49 ghira says, "either"
[ollyprattle]|02:50 jenrexrode says, "i have 3"
[ollyprattle]|02:50 Olly says, "I have a small dog."
[ollyprattle]|02:50 ghira asks, "doesn't kitty therapy help?"
[ollyprattle]|02:50 jenrexrode says, "well sure, I'm here today because of kitty therapy, things were worse when I lived alone-alone for 3 years"
[ollyprattle]|02:51 ghira says, "I think the Mi is generally helpful"
[ollyprattle]|02:51 jenrexrode says, "unless you mean special kitty therapy with some kind of exercises"
[ollyprattle]|02:52 ghira says, "no just general "rubbing kitty tummy" type stuff"
[ollyprattle]|02:52 jenrexrode says, "but tonight dexter wanted to take skin from me, and that's not helpful"
[ollyprattle]|02:52 Olly says, "Petting my dog is sometimes quite helpful with my pain.  It isn't as helpful with acute anxiety as I might expect, but it probably lowers my overall anxiety."
[ollyprattle]|02:53 jenrexrode says, "but yeah, kitty, plus puppy, plus snacks works wonders, but it's not the life I want to live."
[ollyprattle]|02:54 Olly says, "Having to walk the dog, and therefore go outside and move around, helps my overall mental health, I'm sure."
[ollyprattle]|02:54 jenrexrode says, "yeah, but you know, I don't do it on weekends much."
[ollyprattle]|02:55 Olly says, "Yes, I remember you saying so."
[ollyprattle]|02:55 jenrexrode asks (of dog), "can't you just go in the yard today?"
[ollyprattle]|02:55 Olly says, "Sometimes I don't really walk my dog, either."
[ollyprattle]|02:55 ghira says, "It probably helps that the Mi has a catflap and comes and goes as she pleases"
[lounge]|02:55 Nitku doesn't even know what glutz is!
[ollyprattle]|02:56 Olly says, "Just take him out to the little dog run behind my building."
[lounge]|02:56 Olly says, "Uh-oh, it's Nitku."
[lounge]|02:56 Olly says, "Hello, Nitku."
[lounge]|02:56 Nitku says, "hi"
[ollyprattle]|02:57 ghira says, "I think I'd find Japan-style "neko cafe'" places disturbing rather than relaxing"
[ollyprattle]|02:57 ghira says, "no doubt they choose especially laid back kitties but even so"
[ollyprattle]|02:57 Olly says, "I don't know what those are."
[ollyprattle]|02:57 ghira says, "coffee shops with lots of cats"
[ollyprattle]|02:57 ghira says, "apparently"
[ollyprattle]|02:58 jenrexrode says, "that article about reduing your carbon footprint recommends sharing a cat, rather than owning one.  so they are suggesting the neko cafe set-up"
[ollyprattle]|02:58 Olly says, "I would definitely find that disturbing.  Cats make me nervous."
[ollyprattle]|02:58 ghira says, "definitely not a job for our cat. she goes to live in the garden if we have visitors. even for a whole week. it's a bit sad."
[ollyprattle]|02:59 ghira says, "dogs make me nervous. especially when they look as though they weigh more than I do and like jumping at people."
[ollyprattle]|03:00 Olly says, "I've only met two dogs I didn't like."
[ollyprattle]|03:00 ghira says, ""Don't mind him. He's just being friendly. There's no reason to be alarmed when something 8 feet long weighing 20 stones jumps at you.""
[ollyprattle]|03:01 Olly says, "One bit me and the other one bit my dog."
[ollyprattle]|03:01 ghira says, "ow"
[ollyprattle]|03:01 ghira says, "I've met nasty cats."
[ollyprattle]|03:01 Olly says (to ghira), "That's a case of bad owners at least as much as bad dogs."
[ollyprattle]|03:02 ghira says, "Mad Cousin Anita has a cat that seems to be kept in its own flat, and to be fed by throwing the occasional leg of lamb through the doorway"
[ollyprattle]|03:02 Olly asks, "Is this a big cat?"
[ollyprattle]|03:03 ghira says, "not especially."
[ollyprattle]|03:03 Olly says, "You know, like a tiger."
[ollyprattle]|03:03 ghira says, "it seems to be very poorly socialized"
[ollyprattle]|03:03 Olly says, "I guess a tiger would probably want the whole lamb."
[ollyprattle]|03:04 ghira says, "AB's Sicily-based kitty, Esmeralda, was a bit vicious"
[ollyprattle]|03:04 ghira says, "apparently I passed some kind of test when on first meeting me Esmeralda decided to sit in my lap instead of biting or clawing me"
[ollyprattle]|03:05 Olly says, "That's nice."
[ollyprattle]|03:06 Olly says, "That must be why AB took up with you."
[lounge]|03:06 Gunther apparently summons the Ruins of Old Magincia onto the Town of New Magincia, crushing everyone beneath piles of completely inexplicable towers.
[lounge]|03:06 Olly says, "Hello, Gunther."
[lounge]|03:07 Gunther says, "greetings, my noachian friends"
[housing]|03:07 jenrexrode says, "wow, natural gas bill - cost of gas: 79 cents & delivery charge 21 cents.  but with the customer charge ($11.33) & taxes, the bill is $13.37 ."
[lounge]|03:07 marc says, "brother gunther"
[lounge]|03:07 Ellison says, "morning"
[housing]|03:08 Olly asks, "Can you tell them that you don't need a customer?"
[ollyprattle]|03:08 jenrexrode says, "heh"
[obits]|03:08 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Gunther has posted message 464, about 'Gore Vidal (86)', to the bulletin board!"
[ollyprattle]|03:08 ghira says (to olly), "that's what AB claims, yes"
[ollyprattle]|03:10 Olly says, "Many people consider animals good judges of character."
[ollyprattle]|03:11 ghira says, "I didn't hit it off with Mad Cousin Anita's cat"
[lounge]|03:11 Olly asks, "How about Mad Cousin Anita?"
[lounge]|03:11 Olly says, "ilac"
[ollyprattle]|03:11 jenrexrode says, "cuz you don;t have lamb legs"
[ollyprattle]|03:11 Olly asks, "How about Mad Cousin Anita?"
[ollyprattle]|03:11 ghira says, "OK I guess"
[ollyprattle]|03:13 Olly says, "Probably if you had hit it off with Mad Cousin Anita's cat it would have counted against you because it would have meant that you were either a fairy or a space alien."
[ollyprattle]|03:13 jenrexrode says, "hee hee"
[ollyprattle]|03:14 Olly says, "Or a leg of lamb, as Jen said."
[ollyprattle]|03:14 ghira says, "maybe if I had thought to wear a suit made of meat"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:14 marc says, "#digg redesign has gone live - http://digg.com/ "
[ollyprattle]|03:14 ghira says, "though Anita's cat seems to regard people as large lumps of meat anyway, of course"
[ollyprattle]|03:14 Olly says, "That would have meant you were Lord Gaga."
[housing]|03:17 jenrexrode says, "okay, all the bills paid, except one, the mortgage.  not enough $$$, but they are happy to have a payment by the 15th."
[ollyprattle]|03:17 Olly says, "Wow.  It says here that Lady Gaga's meat dress weighed 50 pounds."
[lounge]|03:17 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[lounge]/03:33 Whizzard says, "loG"
[lounge]|03:34 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|03:34 * Hugo has disconnected.
[snacks]|03:35 jenrexrode asks, "?"
[lounge]|03:38 Gunther says, "hey W"
[lounge]|03:38 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|03:53 DavidW goes home.
[lounge]|03:53 * DavidW has disconnected.
[snacks]|03:55 jenrexrode says, "plum&fig yogurt"
[lounge]|04:10 Olly says, "Good night, MUD."
[lounge]|04:11 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[board-games]|04:16 Gunther says, "holy shit, SJ has successfully munchkinized Ogre"
[board-games]|04:20 ghira asks, "oh?"
[lounge]|04:21 jenrexrode says, "nite"
[lounge]|04:21 jenrexrode wanders off.
[lounge]|04:21 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|04:21 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|04:21 boucher comes to visit the lounge just as a huge storm is blowing in. There's lpsmith playing a big manly shark wrangler and some people who are clearly labeled as snacks.
[movie]|04:22 boucher says, "I've been watching VFX demo reels off of YouTube"
[lounge]|04:23 Tale enters from the northnortheast.
[movie]|04:23 boucher says, "It really weirds me out that it's considered easier to do certain things in post-production than just to...you know, do them for real."
[movie]|04:23 boucher says, "Maybe it even encourages lazy direction, it seems."
[movie]|04:25 Ellison says, "I was watching 'the Cable Guy' last night. the imdb trivia page for it mentioned that Jim Carrey was so bad at handling a basketball that they told him to do some handling motions and they post-producted the basketball in."
[lounge]|04:25 Ellison says, "hola Tale"
[lounge]|04:25 Tale says, "hi"
[movie]|04:25 boucher says, "'Move that potted plant where it needs to be?  Nah, why bother?  We'll use a computer to move it later.'  'Figure out scheduling to hire extras?  Why bother...we'll just composite them in later.'  'Set the show in the place where it's meant to be filmed?  Who needs that?  We'll just do it on set and greenscreen it in.'"
[movie]|04:26 Tale says, "Yes"
[movie]|04:27 boucher says, "And it makes me acutely aware that I can't believe anything I see.  Not at all.  No 'this film looks shopped'.  It is literally impossible to tell a good special effects job from reality now."
[movie]|04:27 Tale says, "Do a good action scene? No, just cut it so quickly it looks good"
[movie]|04:28 Ellison says, "Hugo put together a video of interesting things he did for his movie, 'Bull'"
[movie]|04:28 boucher says, "And it's so often not things that people take for granted as 'special effects'.  It's not using all that editing power to make it look like an asteroid hit New York City.  No, it's using it to make a woman look like she missed the bus."
[movie]|04:28 boucher says, "Which is possible to do with just a woman and a bus."
[movie]|04:28 boucher says, "But that would be too simple."
[movie]|04:29 Tale says (to boucher), "There's a cult low-budget movie from my region that has 3 CGI scenes."
[movie]|04:30 Tale says, "Once they added in a soccer ball, once to make a prop TV look like a real one (it's thrown at someone) and once for adding in a car roof in a talky scene"
[movie]|04:30 Tale says, "And you don't notice unless you know"
[movie]|04:31 boucher says, "I had no idea this was the endgame when I was taking a digital art class in college and was happily erasing telephone poles from a nature scene."
[movie]|04:36 boucher says, "On the other hand, it being so easy, it makes you appreciate all the more when someone reveals something actually is real."
[movie]|04:36 boucher says, "'Yes, we actually did loose a ton of superballs on the hills of San Francisco.'"
[movie]|04:38 Tale says, "There is a german action tv series "Alam f?r Cobra 11" which is famous for this."
[movie]|04:40 boucher says, "I hear people were still finding balls years later."
[movie]|04:40 Ellison asks, "isn't there a German word for bringing-up-German-action-tv-series-when-nobody-cares?"
[movie]|04:45 Tale says, "We usually say Halt die Fresse, Ellison"
[movie]|04:45 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[movie]|04:46 Ellison says, "I had to google translate that"
[movie]|04:48 Tale says, "he he"
[board-games]|04:48 Gunther says, "you pay $LOLWUT to get the Kickstarter box"
[movie]|04:48 boucher says, "Fernsehprogrammerfolglosinteressewecken"
[board-games]|04:48 Gunther says, "then each company that's paid $4500 gets to offer you a LIMITED EDITION 300 ONLY extra tile sheet or two at whatever price they want"
[board-games]|04:49 Gunther says, "the rights to which revert to SJG a year later, and then they can sell it"
[movie]|04:49 boucher says, "You start to read it and even lose interest in finishing the word."
[movie]|04:50 Ellison says, "heh"
[movie]|04:50 boucher asks, "Can't you just tell me how it ends?"
[movie]|04:50 boucher asks, "Actually, that's the old Twain joke, isn't it?"
[board-games]|04:51 ghira says, "eeagh"
[board-games]|04:55 boucher says, "This sounds like a (ha) pyramid scheme."
[board-games]|04:58 boucher says, "Actually, looks like that joke has already been made plenty"
[board-games]|04:58 boucher says, "I withdraw it."
[board-games]|05:01 Gunther asks, "has it?"
[board-games]|05:02 boucher says, "Well, I guess not.  I saw a lot of hits for 'Steve Jackson' 'Pyramid Scheme', but I guess a lot of them are tangential arguments and such."
[board-games]|05:02 Gunther says, "it's certainly an arrogant money-grubbing asshole scheme"
[board-games]|05:03 boucher says, "I guess it would only count as a pyramid scheme if he was selling the limited rights to resell the rights."
[board-games]|05:04 boucher says, "Yes, now you and all your friends can publish one set each!"
[board-games]|05:04 boucher says, "Or sell your rights to someone else!  We don't care, as long as in the end, it's fragmented all over the place."
[board-games]|05:05 Gunther says, "I'm pretty amazed/angry/sad that this kickstarter succeeded in the first place"
[board-games]|05:05 boucher says, "The only limit to how much money you make is how stupid someone else is!"
[board-games]|05:05 Gunther says, "that is SJG's motto"
[board-games]|05:05 boucher says, "Announcing Capitalism.  The be all and end all to all collectible games everywhere."
[board-games]|05:07 boucher says, "I don't understand the rules as well as most, but apparently it involves a contest to see how much 'money' one can acquire before the game ends."
[board-games]|05:08 boucher says, "It's also a bit like Nomic, in that people can keep inventing new rules, and they tend to invent the ones that favor them in tricky ways."
[board-games]|05:09 Gunther says, "and then this happens: http://www.sjgames.com/ill/img/2012/ogre-vulcan.jpg "
[board-games]|05:09 boucher asks, "What is that?  It looks like an erotic car jack?"
[board-games]|05:10 Gunther says, "and then I go "ho-ly shit I am so glad I just wiped my ass with the $210 this would have cost""
[board-games]|05:10 Gunther says, "it's the Vulcan Ogre, with arms"
[board-games]|05:10 boucher says, "Seriously, maybe my mind is perverse, but I can totally imagine a porno starring this."
[board-games]|05:10 Gunther says, "here are some other fuckawful counters. http://www.sjgames.com/ill/img/2012/ogre_counters.jpg "
[lounge]|05:11 Ellison says, "later"
[lounge]|05:11 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|05:11 * Ellison has disconnected.
[lounge]|05:11 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 3707 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Wednesday,  1 Aug 2012, 05:11:40 AM EDT
There is one new message on #alt/obits.
There is one new message on #food/Camembert.
There is one new message on #food/food.
There is one new message on #media/books/sf.
There is one new message on #sci/space.
There is one new message on #web/google.
[board-games] boucher asks, "Ahem...why is this worth hundreds of dollars again?"
Rob says, "gzmrfg"
#84 [media/books/sf]               From: Hjalfi        Date: 31-Jul-12 10:41
Subject: The top 75 TV and movie spaceships
Drool. http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_and_tv.html
#93 [food/food]                    From: Gunther       Date: 31-Jul-12 05:13
Subject: Food photography
http://bigappetites.net/
#220 [sci/space]                   From: Hjalfi        Date: 31-Jul-12 05:44
Subject: Seven minutes of terror
For both of you out there who *haven't* seen this, this is what Curiosity will go through when it lands on Mars on Saturday. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki_Af_o9Q9s
#205 [web/google]                  From: marc          Date: 31-Jul-12 03:55
Subject: Ascii street view
http://tllabs.io/asciistreetview/
#464 [alt/obits]                   From: Gunther       Date: 01-Aug-12 03:08
Subject: Gore Vidal (86)
Author. http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-gore-vidal-20120801,0,4557667.story
#55 [food/Camembert]               From: two-star      Date: 31-Jul-12 18:04
Subject: Mozzarella
http://exurbe.com/?p=1143
[obits] Rob says, "gore vidal, aw gee"
[board-games] Gunther says, "it's heavy"
[obits] Rob says, "I knew he was not doing well lately"
[board-games] boucher says, "Maybe, as I mused earlier, this is what 'patronage of the arts' has degenerated into"
[obits] Rob says, "hm, just saw him in a flip clip yesterday and thought hmm he's not going to be around much longer"
[board-games] Rob asks, "how's that?"
[board-games] Rob says, "or is it in recent recap"
[board-games] Gunther says, "just... just look at this list. http://www.sjgames.com/ogre/products/ogre6e/extras.html "
[board-games] boucher says, "Now, rather than funding operas or allowing great painters to do their work, you pay people to slap shit on cards and sell them at a markup or make lame webcomics or whatever."
[board-games] Gunther says, "the singular non-money-grabbing thing they're doing is reprinting the original 1977 Ogre.. at the original price"
[board-games] Gunther says, "of $1.50"
<Hjalfi> "I hate you, Sam. I hate you more than any woman's ever hated a cephalopod."
Hjalfi is used to charge the ionized magnetic-bottle reaction chamber while confectionile material is injected to the bottle within a flouride suspension.
[board-games] Rob says, "or create advertisements"
[board-games] boucher says, "It's not too recent, and it was mixed up with my confusion over what Penny Arcade was trying to achieve with their kickstarter (which, in a third-degree tangential rant, was because they didn't put their full pitch in text form, thus my misunderstanding of their goal was buried in video-only format)"
[board-games] Rob says, "penny arcade held a kickstarter? wtf for"
[board-games] Gunther says, "money."
[board-games] boucher says, "To cease having ads."
[board-games] Rob says (to boucher), "oh, that's not so bad I guess"
[board-games] boucher says, "And generally just to see if they could have an alternative model to sticking a Paypal link on their page."
[board-games] Gunther says, "their KS is absolutely on the razor's edge of permitted projects, TBH"
[board-games] boucher says, "Offer some fun rewards in return or something"
[board-games] Gunther says, "it really is a "fund my life" project, which is forbidden, and the rewards aren't tangential, which is also forbidden"
[drawing] Rob says, "just did something different I haven't tried before as a technique"
[board-games] Gunther says, "but since KS gets 5% they don't care"
[drawing] Rob says, "I inked a comic book page, then flipped it over on a light table, and inked the solid blacks that way"
[board-games] Gunther says, "I bet they expected way more than they're getting, though"
[board-games] Gunther says, "which kinda makes me happy that this shit isn't working"
[drawing] Iain asks, "You inked on the back?"
[board-games] boucher says, "I was weirded out, though...I didn't understand their budget (and still don't, but at least now I know their operating costs are 'about a million a year'), that such seemingly successful guys were doing the equivalent of begging on the street or offering handjobs for a buck or something."
[drawing] Rob says, "but I also noticed that the page looked better mirror-reversed, so when I scan both sides of this page, I'll conform them to the solid blacks layout rather than the original pencils-and-inks layout"
[drawing] Rob says, "yeah"
[board-games] Gunther says, "also HAS NOBODY HEARD OF ADBLOCK OR WHAT"
[drawing] Rob says, "also, yay that someone was here who would hear me describe this"
[drawing] Iain says, "Huh, interesting."
[drawing] Rob says, "I was figuring on shouting into the void and having someone recap later"
[drawing] Iain says, "I'm not even here yet really!"
Iain pretends to arrive.
[drawing] Rob says, "yeah, it was interesting to do, and I think the results will be interesting"
[drawing] Iain says, "OK now I'm here"
Rob pretends to greet Iain
[drawing] Iain asks, "Is this more Q Man?"
[board-games] boucher says, "So the whole Kickstarter culture is a bit alien to me, and I don't think it's quite settled."
[drawing] Rob says, "I haven't done the scanning yet though because I'm at the end of my day and I'm knackered"
[drawing] Rob says, "yes it is !"
[drawing] Rob says, "page 173"
[drawing] Iain says, "I've been enjoying the clips episode but let's get into the new season already."
[board-games] boucher says, "This is the gold rush era.  Or slightly after it, I guess."
[drawing] Rob says, "yeah I know"
[drawing] Rob says, "I'm trying to make it something good and surprising"
[drawing] Iain says, "Excellent"
[board-games] Gunther asks, "is this because you've only looked at a skewed set of bizarrely overfunded Kickstarters?"
[board-games] boucher says, "Anyone can take their half-baked ideas on there and if they guess the right number, they win."
marc says, "iain, robstah"
[drawing] Rob says, "like oho wheeler's still got the goods I see"
[board-games] Gunther says, "because holy fuck do I have a list of shitty-ass iDevice accessory kickstarters for you that will make you want to kill yourself"
[board-games] boucher says, "Oh, I know there are thousands that fail."
marc says, "maybe that should be rob lobster"
[drawing] Iain says, "Show that Sim guy what you're made of"
[board-games] Gunther says, "GIVE ME A MILLION FOR A SLIGHTLY SHORTER SD CARD ADAPTER RETAILING FOR $30"
[drawing] Rob says, "also I'm glad the reprint annual is vaguely entertaining too"
Gunther says, "left claw north"
[drawing] Rob says, "my brother's told me he's enjoying it"
[board-games] boucher says, "But it seems all you need is the right hype, the right idea that seems halfway-feasible, and a good pitch, and you could sell shit back to the same horse that shat it."
[board-games] Gunther says, "true"
[board-games] boucher says, "But like I said, the story of Capitalism: The Game"
[board-games] Iain says, "At some point somebody's going to ask for a million dollars to recreate Fonzi's famous jump over the shark."
[board-games] Gunther says, "and a lot of people are going to get the living daylights burned out of them when Ouya crashes and burns"
[board-games] Gunther says, "and there is no way it won't"
[drawing] Rob says, "I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking 'hey, I'm enjoying making qman, my brother likes it, a lot of my friends like it, even my parents like it... that's pretty rewarding, I should keep doing this'"
[board-games] Gunther says, "however, the wonderful thing about Kickstarter is this:"
[board-games] Gunther says, "it actually, for once, is NOT MY MONEY"
[board-games] boucher says, "I support it in theory.  Still won't pay it.  Sorry, too busy worrying about the death of PC gaming."
[board-games] Gunther says, "every other retarded failproject comes out of my taxes."
[jobs] Iain says, "Waugh, how potentially dispiriting if I didn't know better."
[board-games] Gunther says, "this? does not."
[drawing] Rob says, "even though I don't make enough selling books to afford art supplies yet"
[jobs] Hjalfi asks, "Nexus Q cancelled?"
[jobs] Iain says, "We're busy getting all the code changes we made in Chrome for Android into the respective open-source projects."
[board-games] Gunther says (to boucher), "PC gaming will never die."
[jobs] Iain says (to Hjalfi), "Ha, no."
<Fang> The chief argument it employs is "O NO YOU ARE BEING ATTACKED BY MONSTER PEOPLE", which is kind of dismissive.
Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[jobs] Iain says, "So I grabbed a bit of code that somebody else wrote and submitted a WebKit patch for it."
[board-games] Gunther says, "current-gen 360/PS3 graphics are hilariously behind the curve"
[jobs] Iain says, "And the reviewer just crapped all over it."
[board-games] boucher says, "Not as long as consoles continue to consider themselves lords of the living room, they won't"
[jobs] Iain says, "'Why are you doing this??' 'What is this code for?????'"
[jobs] Hjalfi says, "Well, that is largely what reviewers are for... it's nice if they're polite about it, though. And only use one question mark."
[jobs] Iain says, "I didn't think it was particularly good myself, but somebody wrote it and deemed it good enough."
[board-games] boucher says, "But if they would stop and mandate keyboard and mouse, maybe PCs would die, or rather, they'd become PCs.  The distinction at that point would be somewhat academic."
[jobs] Iain says, "I guess now I need to rewrite it which means I need to understand it properly."
[jobs] Iain says, "SAN don't fail me now"
[jobs] Gunther says, "and if it's good enough for Jesús, it's good enough for me"
[board-games] boucher says, "Mods aside"
[jobs] Hjalfi asks, "Can you bounce it back to the original author?"
[jobs] Iain says, "Well, he's busy"
[board-games] Gunther says, "not if you can't put in a new GeForce."
[board-games] Gunther says, "and get games that run on more than 512 MB RAM"
[jobs] Iain says, "He wrote a whole bunch of code and we got him to split it up so we can parallelize the upstreaming tasks."
[jobs] Iain says, " https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92513 "
[board-games] boucher says, "Oh come now, aside from people who want to splash their game across six monitors, the demands on a PC are more or less the same as those on a console for 99% of games"
[board-games] boucher says, "Precisely because they're just ports of console games anyhow."
[board-games] Fang asks (of Gunther), "but what if it comes out of money that would have been paid into games that you would have liked?"
[board-games] Gunther says, "yeah, I compare Dragon's Dogma and Skyrim and Dragon's Dogma is hilariously aged."
[board-games] boucher says, "Witcher 2 and a select few others are a very small group that do actually go the extra mile for PC users"
[jobs] Hjalfi says, "Incidentally, if you guys happen to have a version of Android Chrome which runs on Eclair, and need beta testers..."
[board-games] Gunther says, "stuff pops in in a ridiculously tiny FOV"
[board-games] boucher says, "But the rest might as well have just crammed an Xbox 360 in my PC and pressed on."
[board-games] Gunther says, "or look at the ridiculous requirements for Dark Souls PC"
[jobs] Iain says, "It will never run on Eclair unless somebody manually back-ports it."
[board-games] Gunther says (to Fang), "then that's a shame but still not my money."
[jobs] Hjalfi sighs.
[jobs] Iain says, "I don't actually know off-hand how much work that would be. Probably a fair amount to get reasonable performance."
[board-games] Fang says, "this seems overall to be a weird argument"
[board-games] Gunther says, "it's not really an argument as such"
Tale is fired from breathing.
Tale has disconnected.
[board-games] Gunther says, "more "I have no stake in this""
[jobs] Iain says, "An Eclair phone probably doesn't have enough memory anyway."
[board-games] Fang says, "personally, I actually like the idea of funding videogame development out of general taxation"
[board-games] Gunther says, "so I can sit back and popcorn"
[board-games] Gunther says, "but what I was going to say is"
[jobs] Hjalfi says, "I used to be on one of the gcc mailing lists. Now, there's arsey for you."
[board-games] boucher says, "Like I say, there may be a difference between a customer and a patron."
[board-games] Gunther says, "ideally, huge publishers would be forced out of the PC market entirely and drop their shit on consoles, and then we can have all the good games for ourselves."
[jobs] Hjalfi says, "The gcc dev community is one of the (many) reasons why people are so eager about clang..."
[jobs] Iain says, "To be fair these comments are probably quite reasonable."
[jobs] Hjalfi says, "The last guy could have been a bit less abrasive."
[board-games] Fang asks (of boucher), "but do the 'patrons' know that?"
[board-games] boucher says, "One pays with the expectation of immediate gratification.  Same for same.  Another pays in like an investment in something that may eventually produce something worthwhile."
[board-games] Gunther says, "...wait, now that I think about it, no"
[board-games] Gunther says, "that would not be a good idea at all, ignore that"
[board-games] boucher says, "I'm not going to go buy the DVD of a crappy movie in hopes the next will be good."
[jobs] Iain says, "Yeah, that's who I meant, all the others are fine."
Rob says, "ok, time to go blooey"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.