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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob, fake_Robb_Sherwin
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> When he said that, it gave me the ending of my book.
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder, Sarcasm Detector, Gene Ray
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, small, Ryan, GDorn, jpt, vimes, Bishop, Dave, Allen, ctmiller, baf, marc, Psmith, annabianca, McMartin, lpsmith, Marktwo, Jon, DorianX, zaphod, Steve, Matthew, genericgeekgirl, jess, Whizzard, borowski, ghira, Otis, Grocible, zarf, maga, boucher, Hugo, Jota, Ellison, inky, BrenBarn, jenrexrode
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 5048 lines from recent channels:
[whiz-games]/17:02 Gunther asks, "why not 'FSS Orville Wright'?"
[headlines]|17:02 zarf says, "I spent a month playing with a set as a fidget-toy while watching TV. Eventually I did everything interesting there was to do with them"
[videogames]|17:03 Tale says, "Yes.Shirts."
[whiz-games]|17:03 Gunther says, "also that is some dirty water"
[videogames]|17:05 inky says, "heh"
[headlines]|17:06 Johnny says (to Doug), "I really do think people are eating them."
[headlines]|17:06 Johnny asks, "The question is why aren't we hearing more about *that*?"
[gameofthrones]|17:09 olethros says, "oh wait reviews are bad because people are buying the wrong book"
[Sierra]|17:09 Gunther says, "huh, they're remaking LSL in Unity"
[Sierra]|17:10 Gunther says, "I thought that was a 3d engine"
[headlines]|17:10 Jota says, "I wonder if coins would be outlawed if they were invented today."
[Sierra]|17:10 baf says, "Yup."
[headlines]|17:10 vimes says, "or beans."
[headlines]|17:10 Jota says, "I mean, they're pretty easy for kids to swallow."
[headlines]|17:10 Gunther says, "coinder eggs"
[headlines]|17:10 vimes says, "or Flintstones chewable vitamins"
[facebook]|17:11 inky | Beowulf checked in at Heorot
[facebook]|17:11 inky |
[facebook]|17:11 inky | Beowulf posted a photo album "Me Kicking Grendel's Ass"
[facebook]|17:11 inky |
[facebook]|17:11 inky | Grendel not col dude
[facebook]|17:11 inky |
[facebook]|17:11 inky | Grendel i mean not cool. typin with only 1 arm
[facebook]|17:11 inky |
[facebook]|17:11 inky | Beowulf found a Dragon on their farm in Farmville!
[facebook]|17:11 Gunther says, "heh"
[facebook]|17:11 Gunther says, "it is thyn longe woe"
[headlines]|17:12 Tale says, "They should forbid lines. Everyone swallows those to easily."
[headlines]|17:12 Gunther says, "ym snorts"
[facebook]|17:13 Iain says, "This is where Grendel's mum gets on Facebook."
[headlines]|17:13 inky says, "well, note that magnets are potentially a much bigger deal than coins if swallowed"
[facebook]|17:13 Iain says, "That is pretty much the most embarrassing thing about the entire story."
[headlines]|17:13 inky says, "since if you swallow two and they snap together at some point and pinch the intestine wall in between them"
[facebook]|17:13 inky says, "ha ha"
[headlines]|17:13 Iain says, "Oh, oww"
[lounge]|17:13 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|17:13 * Emily has disconnected.
[headlines]|17:14 Iain says, "I thought you meant you might turn into Magneto."
[headlines]|17:14 Johnny says, "'The iron was inside of you all along!'"
[headlines]|17:14 inky | http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news/20041026/swallowed-magnets-are-dangerous
[headlines]|17:14 inky says, "ha ha"
[headlines]|17:14 inky says, "on the other hand, as we know, farmers purposely give cows magnets"
[headlines]|17:15 inky says, "but I assume they're designed to be safer for consumption somehow"
[headlines]|17:15 vimes says, "you only give them one at a time"
[headlines]|17:15 vimes says, "(and, afaik, you pull them back out)"
[headlines]|17:15 Iain asks, "We do?"
[headlines]|17:15 Gunther says, "also, lobsters"
[headlines]|17:15 vimes says (to gunther), "i hope you mean 'you feed cows lobsters one at a time'"
[headlines]|17:15 Iain says, "What on earth are you people talking about"
[headlines]|17:15 inky | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_magnet
[headlines]|17:15 Gunther says (to vimes), "no, you got a lobster and you got a magnet"
[headlines]|17:16 Iain says, "The only animal magnet thing I can think of off-hand was that levitating frog from a couple of years ago."
[gameofthrones]|17:16 olethros says, "this first review is spot on http://www.amazon.com/Dance-Dragons-Song-Fire-ebook/product-reviews/B003YL4LYI/ref=cm_cr_dp_qt_hist_one?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0 "
[headlines]|17:16 vimes says (to iain), "and that chyk that checked out inky the other day"
[headlines]|17:16 inky says, "hee hee"
[headlines]|17:16 Iain says (to inky), "Huh, interesting."
[headlines]|17:16 Iain says, "Amazingly I know what a pseudobezoar is already."
[headlines]|17:16 inky says, "also, I seriously can't tell if this is a real sentence or not: | Cow magnets cannot be passed through a cow's 4th bonivial meta-colon."
[headlines]|17:16 Iain says, "But only from reading Sandman."
[headlines]|17:16 Gunther says, "ironically magnets CAUSE hardware failure everywhere else"
[headlines]|17:16 inky says (to Iain), "oh, I was going to guess Vance"
[headlines]|17:16 vimes says, "huh, | the magnet settles in the rumen or reticulum and remains there for the life of the animal"
[headlines]|17:16 vimes says, "i did not know that at all"
[headlines]|17:17 Iain says, "Bonivial Meta-colon is my favourite Vance character, definitely."
[headlines]|17:17 Gunther says (to vimes), "you can also humanely kill the cow by holding up a gigantic magnet"
[headlines]|17:17 Tale says, "That's why her milkshake brings all the boys to the yard"
[headlines]|17:17 zarf says, "suddenly I am suspicious about those 'cows always line up facing north' stories"
[headlines]|17:17 Iain says, "Ha ha"
[headlines]|17:17 vimes says (to Gunther), "magneto has a great job if supervillaning ever runs dry"
[headlines]|17:17 inky says, "this ill-fated pseudobezoar of yours cannot be valued at a higher price than two hundred and fifty sequins! now cease your distraction and let us finalize negotiations!"
[headlines]|17:18 vimes says (to zarf), "it's a copyediting problem"
[DustWorld]|17:18 DavidW says, "I'm losing my enthusiasm for putting items into boxes."
[headlines]|17:18 vimes says, "it's supposed to be "north always lines up facing cows""
[DustWorld]|17:18 inky says, "switch to putting them into bags for a while"
[headlines]|17:18 Gunther says, "effing, not facing"
[headlines]|17:18 Iain says, "Pah, these pettifogging objections are nuncupatory."
[DustWorld]|17:18 inky says, "hee hee"
[DustWorld]|17:18 inky says, "er"
[headlines]|17:18 inky says, "hee hee"
[headlines]|17:18 baf asks, "So is inky trying to tell us not to put a cow on a plate?"
[headlines]|17:18 Gunther says, "he probably is"
[headlines]|17:19 vimes says, "assume a needle-shaped cow"
[DustWorld]|17:19 inky asks, "how long have you been at it for?"
[Boston]|17:19 Ellison says, "sorry, no, but he mentioned it on the government blog we works on"
[headlines]|17:19 Gunther says, "left hoof north, right hoof south"
[Boston]|17:20 Ellison says, "the blog is at: http://artsake.massculturalcouncil.org/blog/artsake/ "
[DustWorld]|17:23 DavidW says, "Well, I feel I've been packing all month. Not non-stop by any means, but it's being a drag."
[DustWorld]|17:24 DavidW says, "And I'm thinking nanites would be great for cardboard boxes."
[lounge]|17:24 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|17:24 * Marktwo has connected.
[lounge]|17:24 boucher entered the lounge. This time there was a brief pause before the mass wailing recommenced. boucher? What kind of people were in control of this MUD? The crying took on a bitter and disillusioned tone.
[DustWorld]|17:25 DavidW says, "Think of it: you close the flaps and run your thumb or finger along near the break, and nanites could seal the box for you without tape."
[videogames]|17:25 K-Y says, "I can appreciate the game"
[DustWorld]|17:25 DavidW says, "When you want to open the box, knock on it to the beat of 'shave and a haircut'."
[videogames]|17:25 K-Y says, "but I was not willing to learn how to program a bunch of characters to do what you intended correctly"
[videogames]|17:26 Gunther says, "that is why I stopped with Dragon Age Origins"
[DustWorld]|17:27 DavidW says, "Then I'd never have to deal with packing tape leading edge going AWOL, or packing tape unsticking from the box, or packing tape twisting, or packing tape splitting lengthwise ever again,."
[DustWorld]|17:28 DavidW says, "heck, let those nanites resize the box for me so it's always the appropriate size."
[DustWorld]|17:29 DavidW says, "sigh. Meanwhile, back to the pre-nanotech boxes for me."
[lounge]|17:30 Miseri regularly eats multiples of things inky wouldn't eat more than zero of.
[lounge]|17:30 Miseri says, "arrr"
[videogames]|17:31 K-Y says, "I can deal with wrangling with opaque AI rules, because at least they're *doing* something"
[videogames]|17:31 Gunther says, "they're doing the OPPOSITE of what I friggin' tell them"
[videogames]|17:32 K-Y says, "but this game gives you a blank slate and a hundred fridge magnets and goes 'okay, put something together'"
[videogames]|17:32 Gunther asks, "isn't that all the JRPGs?"
[DustWorld]|17:33 DavidW says, "like, it doesn't *have* to be cardboard. If the nanites want to eat up plastic recyclable waste and make plastic boxes for me, that's okay too."
[videogames]|17:33 K-Y says, "that seems like the opposite of all the JRPGs"
[videogames]|17:33 two-star asks, "Are we talking about Buckyballs again?"
[gender]|17:36 Fang says, "#slashdot-sux http://ask.slashdot.org/story/12/07/26/1652228/ask-slashdot-preempting-sexual-harassment-in-the-workplace "
[gender]|17:36 Fang says, "this sure is an interesting attitude..."
[gender]|17:36 Gunther says, "why does /. still exist"
[gender]|17:38 Gunther says, "it's like Twitter on a week's delay with YouTube comments added"
[gender]|17:39 inky says, "ha ha"
[gender]|17:40 Fang exclaims, "sexual harrassment is guaranteed! Let's gamify it!"
[videogames]|17:41 boucher says, "I remember a friend of mine, upon seeing a publicity shot for FF12 with Vaan and Ashe together, asked, without irony or intent to make a joke, 'Who are those two girls supposed to be?'"
[videogames]|17:41 Gunther says, "yes, well"
[videogames]|17:41 boucher says, "Granted, it was a first impression"
[videogames]|17:41 Gunther says, "Vaan is the bishounen to end all bishounen"
[videogames]|17:42 boucher says, "I was actually weirded out by his facial texture, because it made him look ever so slightly like he had some sort of skin disease."
[videogames]|17:43 Gunther says, "also nasal leprosy"
[videogames]|17:43 boucher says, "Like, little discolored patches on his cheeks and nose, like vitiligo or something"
[videogames]|17:44 boucher says, "Also that, yes, but that's somewhat more common, and really a design decision rather than what I assume was a technical issue"
[band-name]|17:44 inky says, "Nasal Leprosy"
[lounge]|17:47 Storme enters.
[lounge]|17:47 Storme says, "re all"
[videogames]|17:47 boucher says, "And the gambit rules were almost, but not quite, able to do what I wanted."
[band-name]|17:47 Johnny says, "On tour now with Crotchrot and Ice Cream Facial."
[videogames]|17:48 boucher says, "It was possible to autopilot almost everything, but the one stickiest point was the inability to make a 'steal until successful' rule"
[band-name]|17:49 K-Y says, "I assume that was Spinal Tap around when Def Leppard made it big"
[videogames]|17:49 boucher says, "At least it was relatively easy to expand my gambit abilities without much expense of other abilities, unlike Dragon Age, which forced me to make my characters weaker overall just to save me some tedious micromanagement"
[videogames]|17:51 boucher says, "I did definitely resent that, since it was a metagame issue.  Why not limit me to only an ability per level, with a cap of 20, and have some of the abilities be things like 'fewer steps down a submenu hierarchy to select spells' or 'having to wait a minute less to save your game', forcing me to choose between a less annoying game and a decent character."
[videogames]|17:52 boucher says, "Since you could pause gameplay and command players as you wished, the addition of program slots in DA:O didn't actually change your competence, just your frustration."
[lounge]|17:54 Ellison says, "hey Storme"
[lounge]|17:55 Grocible says, "the Shining on teevee"
[videogames]|17:55 boucher says, "Returning to FF12, I like how Balthier, appearing to be a bit gay, has to frequently nudge people and wink in Fran's direction and then scream 'I TOTALLY HIT THAT', erm, I mean say something suggestive."
[Jotacabana]|17:56 Jota says, "Some day I should try something other than mustard that has lots of turmeric in it, to confirm whether or not I dislike it specifically."
[lounge]|17:56 Grocible says, "brr"
[lounge]|17:56 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|17:56 * Hugo has disconnected.
[videogames]|17:56 McMartin says, "> HIT THAT * MAGIC * ITEM * RUN"
[frowned-elitism]|17:56 Storme says, "olympics opening ceremony tomorrow"
[frowned-elitism]|17:57 Storme says, "and I have to travel into the office via stratford"
[frowned-elitism]|17:57 Storme says, "hum ho"
[lounge]|17:58 Grocible says, "so I had a look at my photos on a Retina iPad"
[lounge]|17:58 Grocible says, "man. now I want one of the fuckers"
[Jotacabana]|17:58 vimes says, "huh, i'm not sure i've ever had mustard with any appreciable amoutn of turmeric"
[videogames]|17:59 boucher says, "Also, fetishism gets a little extreme when you don't just have literal bunnygirls, but they have to wear stiletto high heels for some reason."
[Jotacabana]|17:59 Jota says, "I don't know if it's the turmeric that I dislike or not. I just know that it appears to be the most prominent difference in the ingredients lists between yellow and brown mustard."
[Jotacabana]|18:00 Jota says, "And I dislike the taste of the former but not the latter."
[videogames]|18:00 McMartin says, "They were also the only race that could be assassins in the game that introduced them, IIRC."
[videogames]|18:00 McMartin says, "They're from FFTA originally"
[videogames]|18:00 McMartin says, "Insert T&A joke here"
[weather]|18:01 DavidW says, "my. Huge rainstorm."
[IntroComp]|18:01 maga says, "HEY GUYS do you know what would be awesome"
[food]|18:01 Jota asks, "*Is* turmeric the main reason that yellow mustard tastes different from brown mustard? Or is it something else?"
[IntroComp]|18:01 DavidW asks, "If I stopped packing and played a game?"
[IntroComp]|18:01 zarf asks, "kittens?"
[IntroComp]|18:01 Alex says (to zarf), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that kittens are silly."
[videogames]|18:02 boucher asks, "I know it's the same world as Vagrant Story...is it the same world as FFTA?"
[IntroComp]|18:02 maga says, "making a game like Robb Sherwin, only if Robb Sherwin wasn't funny or good at writing"
[IntroComp]|18:02 Jota asks, "A competition for short incomplete IF works that are intended as a teaser for a larger completed work?"
[band-name]|18:02 K-Y says, "yes"
[IntroComp]|18:02 Ellison says (to maga), "better yet, name yourself Robb!"
[band-name]|18:02 K-Y says, "Ivalice"
[band-name]|18:03 K-Y says, "ilac"
[IntroComp]|18:03 Tale says, "Also, the puzzle doesn't work."
[videogames]|18:03 boucher says, "Huh, apparently so."
[DustWorld]|18:03 DavidW says, "argh. How invited the fly into my room and onto my sweaty tired body>"
[IntroComp]|18:03 (from vimes) vimes says, "okay okay i'm sorry my game sucks"
[DustWorld]|18:03 DavidW says, "er Who"
[food]|18:03 Jota | Mustards start with one of three types of mustard seeds -- white, brown or black. The flavor of white mustard seeds is bitter, while brown and black mustard seeds are piquant and spicier.
[food]|18:04 Jota says, "So maybe that's what I don't like about yellow mustard. The white mustard seeds."
[AI]|18:04 olethros says, "oh so I was briefly interviewed by some journalist person"
[videogames]|18:04 boucher says, "FFT, Vagrant Story, FFTA, and FFXII"
[AI]|18:04 olethros says, "I hope he understood something that I said"
[food]|18:04 vimes says, "i don't like yellow mustard either"
[food]|18:04 vimes says, "but i love turmeric"
[videogames]|18:04 boucher says, "And FFTA2"
[band-name]|18:05 K-Y says, "that reminds me to ask where the hell is Final Fantasy XIII Versus"
[food]|18:05 Jota says, "I didn't realize they (yellow and brown) came from different species of mustard. I thought the difference was just how they were prepared."
[band-name]|18:05 K-Y says, "agh"
[food]|18:05 Jota says, "Yay, education."
[videogames]|18:07 K-Y says, "whatever plans they had for a shared-concept group of FFXIII games seem to be basically vaporized"
[food]|18:07 vimes says, "so, apparently i don't like white mustard seeds either"
[food]|18:07 vimes says, "good to know!"
[MacOS]|18:08 vimes says, "so the dropbox context menu is back with the new version of dropbox, yay"
[videogames]|18:08 Gunther says, "but at least they're making another FF MMO!!!"
[MacOS]|18:08 vimes says, "when i need to use it again in another three years, i'll be glad"
[videogames]|18:09 boucher says, "Well, as I'm sure you heard, SE have basically admitted they don't have the ability to make games any longer"
[videogames]|18:10 Gunther says (to boucher), "I heard that in 1988, yes"
[quotations]|18:10 Jota | People also are slightly more likely to die just after a near relative has arrived at the death bed than to pass away before they get there.
[videogames]|18:10 boucher says, "They will more or less be outsourcing everything from now on, and become a pure publisher"
[quotations]|18:10 Jota says, "This seems mathematically suspect."
[lounge]|18:10 Iain leaps astride a mountain pony and gallops off bareback for reinforcements.
[videogames]|18:11 boucher says, "This is no doubt due to the fact that all their skilled developers have fled the company"
[videogames]|18:11 inky says, "hunh"
[videogames]|18:11 Gunther says, "(yay, I correctly guessed the publishing year of FF2)"
[videogames]|18:11 Fang asks, "I thought FF13-2 was somewhat well liked?"
[videogames]|18:11 K-Y says, "ah, just like Capcom"
[quotations]|18:12 inky asks, "you mean you think it isn't an even comparison?"
[videogames]|18:12 boucher says, "You can see the effect in how, for example, Final Fantasy IX was a somewhat competent MMO, at least for the time, but FFXIV was actually technically regressive in nearly every sense, from game mechanics to performance."
[videogames]|18:13 K-Y says, "well, Japanese devs are so incestuous that I assume they will be otsourcing to their own former employees"
[videogames]|18:13 boucher says, "FFXII was alright, but FFXII was a linear, bug filled game from which almost any choice, exploration, sense of a world, or even story had been gutted."
[videogames]|18:13 Gunther says, "they should just hire Suda and Swery to do FFXV"
[videogames]|18:14 boucher says, "I'm sure, but at least those companies have people who can develop games"
[videogames]|18:14 boucher says, "There's just been a severe brain drain at SE, and they no longer can make AAA RPGs"
[videogames]|18:14 Gunther says (to boucher), "wait, you had XII twice in that"
[videogames]|18:14 Gunther asks, "which was the bad one?"
[videogames]|18:14 boucher says, "Er, XIII for the second, sorry"
[videogames]|18:14 Gunther says, "omg"
[videogames]|18:14 Gunther says, "if FFXII is *not* a linear, bug-filled, gutted game"
[videogames]|18:15 Gunther says, "I really don't want to see XIII"
[videogames]|18:15 boucher says, "XII has towns, filled with stores, where you buy things.  XIII has savepoints with menus attached."
[videogames]|18:15 Gunther says, "OTOH, no frigging dress spheres"
[videogames]|18:16 boucher says, "Square's excuse at the time?  That the PS3 is incapable of handling stores."
[videogames]|18:16 Gunther says, "what I need is an Ultima Retrospective-esque reviewathon of every single FF game"
[videogames]|18:16 boucher says, "Or indeed, towns."
[videogames]|18:16 vimes asks (of boucher), "seriously? what?"
[videogames]|18:16 boucher says, "Or, indeed, anything other than a corridor full of monsters."
[videogames]|18:17 boucher says, "They were just making excuses for the fact that they only had interns left on the staff who were struggling with the insanely complex task of coding for the PS3, and failing badly, while other major developers seemed to be getting by okay."
[videogames]|18:17 Fang says, "dresspheres are awesome, you take that back"
[videogames]|18:18 Gunther says (to Fang), "I have no idea what they are so for me, they're clothes shopping."
[videogames]|18:18 boucher says, "I do think FFX-2 had a somewhat interesting mechanic.  Also, it's the only game where 'Itchy' (Must change clothes before you can perform any other action) is a status affliction."
[videogames]|18:18 Fang says (to Gunther), "dress spheres are character class changes you can make in the middle of battle."
[videogames]|18:18 Gunther says, "so you have animu waifu and bishounen going clothes shopping, uguu+"
[videogames]|18:19 Gunther says (to Fang), "that's not even remotely funny."
[quotations]|18:19 Jota says (to inky), "I mean that for every wife who passed away shortly after her husband's death, there is a husband who died shortly before his wife."
[quotations]|18:20 Gunther says (to Jota), "that is so not what that means"
[quotations]|18:20 Gunther says (to Jota), "people hang on until others literally arrive at their death bed"
[videogames]|18:20 Fang says, "I mean, X-2 was basically magical girl anime: the final fantasy game"
[videogames]|18:20 boucher says, "But I had to quit FFX-2 in the middle of the game, unfortunately, out of profound embarrassment"
[quotations]|18:20 Gunther says, "like, to say goodbye"
[quotations]|18:20 Jota says, "Oh."
[quotations]|18:20 Gunther says, "and more people do that than not"
[videogames]|18:20 boucher says, "I think the pseudo-lesbian hotspring scene was what broke me and made me unable to continue."
[quotations]|18:20 Gunther says, "unless I *completely* misunderstood"
[tangent]|18:21 Jota says, "One of these days, I am going to have to learn how to read things like a normal human being."
[videogames]|18:21 vimes says, "there's a pretty excellent LP of X-2"
[videogames]|18:21 Gunther asks, "pseudo- because it was (insert random male character) and (insert random female character) here?"
[quotations]|18:21 inky says, "oh, yeah, I read it like Gunther did"
[tangent]|18:21 Jota says, "And not interpret them in my own weird way which is completely different from the intent of the writer."
[quotations]|18:21 Jota exclaims, "Never mind!"
[quotations]|18:21 vimes says, "oh, dang, so did i"
[videogames]|18:21 McMartin asks, "Wait, there are male characters in X-2?"
[tangent]|18:22 (from Gunther) Jota asks, "So 'stealing is illegal' means stealing is, in fact, illegal?"
[videogames]|18:22 boucher says, "No, pseudo, because they didn't actually start dry-humping each other right there and then, leaving the innuendo ambiguous."
[videogames]|18:22 Johnny says (to McM), "It's okay, because they look like women."
[videogames]|18:22 vimes says, "sure, there's the extremely disturbing incestuous fetishistic idiot Brother, and Shinra who knows everything, and...some other guys, i think"
[videogames]|18:22 Gunther says (to boucher), "hmm maybe you shouldn't play Witcher 2 after all"
[quotations]|18:23 vimes says, "i would have been more entertained reading it wrong"
[quotations]|18:23 Jota says, "Heh."
[videogames]|18:23 Gunther says, "to quote:"
[videogames]|18:23 Gunther says, ""Ah, lesbomancy, my favorite kind of magic""
[videogames]|18:23 vimes asks, "that's where your erection gains power from lesbians, right?"
[videogames]|18:23 vimes says, "I MEAN YOUR MAGIC STAFF"
[videogames]|18:24 Gunther says, "oops, slightly misquoted. http://images.wikia.com/witcher/images/7/74/Tw2_screenshot_lesbomancy.jpg "
[videogames]|18:24 boucher says, "Fucking dentists"
[videogames]|18:25 K-Y says (to boucher), "see, with developers, brain drain also consists of not hiring people to keep up"
[weblogs]|18:25 Johnny says, "What."
[videogames]|18:25 Gunther asks (of vimes), "is the LP on the LP Archive?"
[weblogs]|18:25 Johnny asks, "Who puts a smart quote in a URL?"
[videogames]|18:25 K-Y says, "in the 2000s, it was Rareware"
[weblogs]|18:26 Jota asks, "An unsophisticated automatic URL-generation tool?"
[weblogs]|18:26 Johnny asks, "%E2%80%99?"
[videogames]|18:26 K-Y says, "and Irem and Team17 and a whole bunch of other people"
[videogames]|18:27 vimes says (to gunther), "yeah"
[TV]|18:27 Tale says, "man"
[videogames]|18:27 vimes | http://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-X-2/
[TV]|18:27 Tale says, "I think after this season finale, I can point people to an example of a downer ending"
[videogames]|18:27 vimes | Let's Play Final Fantasy X-2 (the good parts version)
[videogames]|18:28 baf asks, "So, just the hot springs scenes?"
[videogames]|18:28 vimes | going through the parts of the game I think actually deserve to be played and editing out while briefly mocking the parts that don't.
[videogames]|18:28 boucher says, "But with S-E, they actually had huge number of people leave to start up new companies and such."
[videogames]|18:28 K-Y says, "that also makes sense"
[videogames]|18:29 inky says, "heh"
[videogames]|18:29 Gunther says (to vimes), "aw, SSLP"
[whiz-games]|18:29 Whizzard stretches.
[videogames]|18:29 vimes says, "yeah, sorry, but it's really well written"
[whiz-games]|18:29 Whizzard says, "I just happen to like Benjamin Franklin."
[lounge]|18:30 Miseri is very disappointed in you.  Earlier, he may have ransacked your office, but he is *very* disappointed in you.
[videogames]|18:30 K-Y says, "honestly, JRPGs are undergoing brain drain"
[videogames]|18:30 K-Y says, "what with development no longer being feasible except on handhelds"
[drwho]|18:31 DorianX says, "Aw man."
[videogames]|18:31 K-Y says, "no, you don't have anybody who *knows* what to do with newer tech"
[videogames]|18:31 boucher says, "That's the sad bit.  S-E is still okay on handhelds.  Even original titles, not just ports of old SNES games or whatever"
[videogames]|18:31 boucher says, "But they just don't have the manpower or experience for modern consoles."
[lounge]|18:32 Emily arrives.
[lounge]|18:32 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|18:32 * Tale has disconnected.
[videogames]|18:32 boucher says, "Or, whatever ones they had now work for Mistwalker or Tri-Ace or wherever"
[videogames]|18:33 Gunther says, "seems like Falcom don't have that problem"
[videogames]|18:34 K-Y says, "they don't know what to do with all the processing power beyond 'make it prettier'"
[videogames]|18:34 Gunther says, "though they seem very much a non-typical company"
[videogames]|18:34 K-Y says, "which just creates a huge gaping money sink"
[videogames]|18:34 Gunther says, "and more like Valve"
[videogames]|18:34 K-Y says (to Gunther), "PC development!"
[videogames]|18:35 Gunther says, "yep"
[videogames]|18:36 Gunther asks, "isn't S-E publishing something entirely atypical soon (or has already)?"
[videogames]|18:36 K-Y says, "you know who else doesn't know what to do with all the processing power? NIS"
[videogames]|18:37 K-Y asks (of Gunther), "Tomb Raider?"
[videogames]|18:37 Gunther says, "oh yeah, DX:HR"
[videogames]|18:38 K-Y says, "(none of these count)"
[philosophinky]|18:39 Jota says (to inky), "I feel that it would be appropriate if you were to refer to people as 'Bob' when expositing."
[philosophinky]|18:41 inky says, "hee hee"
[philosophinky]|18:41 Gunther says (to Jota), "you may mean "Clyde""
[philosophinky]|18:43 Jota says, "For '"as you know, clyde"': 'About 22,500 results'"
[philosophinky]|18:43 Jota says, "For '"as you know, bob"': 'About 377,000 results'"
[lounge]|18:45 Grocible says, "hey em"
[lounge]|18:46 Hugo: is he in the lounge or not?   Yes [ ]   No  [ ]
[lounge]|18:46 (From Hugo) (This poll (c) 2012 by cnn.com)
[philosophinky]|18:46 Gunther says, "and yet none of the Pacman ghosts are named Bob,"
[lounge]|18:47 Ellison says, "hey Emily and Hugo"
[lounge]|18:47 Gunther says, "z"
[lounge]|18:47 Gunther, Geoffrey, and Shamino all represented various aspects of Garriott: his ego, his ego, and his ego, respectively
[Hugo]|18:48 Ellison says, "I made some more DoHugoFix changes: http://notdeadhugo.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-good-news-is-ive-actually-been.html "
[jobs]|18:48 inky | http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/get-a-job-the-craigslist-experiment/
[philosophinky]|18:48 Jota says, "Yeah, I admit that is an unfortunate oversight."
[videogames]|18:50 K-Y says, "I feel like they used to publish some experimental games with *high* production values"
[lounge]|18:52 Nitku leaves.
[jobs]|18:52 lpsmith says, "Wow."
[dinner]|18:52 Psmith says, "garlic chilli paneer masala."
[dinner]|18:52 vimes says, "yum"
[metafilter]|18:53 Jota | I don't know where to meet people who are smart but not arrogant about it, or smart and also socially functional.
[metafilter]|18:53 Jota says, "I mainly like how this is an 'or'."
[metafilter]|18:54 vimes says, "heh"
[metafilter]|18:54 Jota says, "They are apparently OK with people who are smart and arrogant about it as long as they're also socially functional, and they don't mind if you're smart and socially dysfunctional so long as you're not arrogant about it."
[metafilter]|18:54 Jota says, "I guess this is another one of those 'pick two' scenarios."
[metafilter]|18:55 vimes says, "smart, cheap, easy, pick two"
[metafilter]|18:55 vimes says, "er, wait"
[lounge]|18:55 Storme was a still life lived on mobile phones.
[lounge]|18:55 * Storme has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:56 Ghogg has a sheet of triangle-grid paper, a straightedge, an X-acto knife, and several sheets of 3M Diamond Scotchlite vinyl.
[lounge]|18:56 Ghogg grets
[lounge]|18:56 Ghogg greets, even
[lounge]|18:56 vimes says, "ggohg"
[dinner]|18:57 DorianX says, "Chik-Fil-Gay"
[dinner]|18:57 DorianX says, "With homemade fried pickles, homemade mozzarella sticks and mixed vegetables"
[jobs]|19:00 Ghogg says, "hmm"
[jobs]|19:01 Ghogg says, "my wife's new job there were only 2 people who got to the interview stage"
[jobs]|19:01 Ghogg says, "pretty sure there wasn't 652 applicants"
[jobs]|19:01 inky says, "this is a nominally no-experience-required job"
[jobs]|19:01 inky says, "(which I assume hers wasn't)"
[jobs]|19:02 inky asks, "also, what is her new job?"
[jobs]|19:02 Ghogg says, "she is doing Science on gases"
[jobs]|19:02 Ghogg says, "(so, yeah)"
[jobs]|19:02 inky says, ">USE SCIENCE ON GAS"
[jobs]|19:03 Ghogg says, "but I dunno, the lesson to me here is "get expert in doing something not a lot of people can do", not "apply in the first hour of a craigslist posting" or whatever"
[jobs]|19:03 vimes says, "Understand "science [thing]" as sciencing."
[jobs]|19:03 Ghogg says, "yay"
[jobs]|19:05 Ghogg says, "specifically, she is doing GC-MS stuff to test for leaks/contaminants"
[jobs]|19:05 Ghogg says, "it wasn't like there was a flood of jobs that matched her qualifications, but when they came up there wasn't a flood of applicants"
[lounge]|19:08 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[jobs]|19:09 Ghogg says, "I start my new job tomorrow"
[jobs]|19:10 Ghogg says, "(which there were 3 people interviewing for, where in the prior round of 3 people being interviewed none were qualified and they had to repost)"
[jobs]|19:12 Ghogg asks, "how is everyone else doing job-wise?"
[jobs]|19:13 zarf says, "writing code. designed a t-shirt."
[jobs]|19:13 zarf says, "latest Dreamhold bug fix is in app-store review"
[headlines]|19:13 Allen | Are Your Neighbors Spoiling Their Cats?
[jobs]|19:14 Ghogg asks, "how does that work? do you have to pay something?"
[jobs]|19:14 zarf says, "$40000!"
[jobs]|19:14 zarf says, "no, you just submit it and wait a week"
[jobs]|19:15 zarf says, "week and a half, this time. Maybe the MacOS 10.8 release has hung up their process somehow."
[movie]|19:16 Ellison says, "Terry Gilliam's daughter is going through his stuff and blogging her discoveries: http://hollydgilliam.blogspot.de/ "
[exercise]|19:19 olethros says, "ok, running 30 floors up in 4 minutes: not shabby"
[exercise]|19:19 lpsmith says, "Running up 15 floors in 2 minutes:  same speed, less work."
[exercise]|19:19 Johnny says, "Especially for sliding down half-way and having to start over."
[movie]|19:19 Grocible says, "yeah"
[movie]|19:19 Grocible says, "I was gonna email her about it"
[movie]|19:20 Grocible says, "she must be flooded with interest from geeks"
[jobs]|19:20 vimes says, "all their reviewers are working on 10.8 app store releases, i imagine"
[exercise]|19:22 olethros says, "well at least now I know how fast the movie guys might be able to do it"
[jobs]|19:23 olethros says, "it is weird though"
[jobs]|19:23 olethros says, "in some job postings you see 100s of applicants, even in narrow fields, if the uni is attractive due to either fame or location"
[lounge]|19:24 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|19:24 Olly says, "Hello, MUDsters."
[lounge]|19:24 Johnny says, "Hi Olly"
[jobs]|19:24 olethros says, "and of course if your field is very narrow, then there are less jobs, as you said"
[lounge]|19:24 Johnny says, "$(suffix)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:24 Olly asks, "#weird-questions Are there astroturf cricket fields?"
[jobs]|19:25 olethros says, "(speaking of which, I saw that my field now has many new applications (finally), so I should probably put those in my job talks)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:25 olethros asks, "are there space crickets?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:25 inky | http://www.clubturf.com/
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:25 olethros says, "oh wait, cricket the 'sport', not the insect"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:26 Olly says, "Yes, that cricket."
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:27 Olly says, "The reason I ask is that I gather from reading P. G. Wodehouse novels that the deterioration of the play surface plays an important role in the game.  Or used to, at least."
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:27 inky says, "yeah"
[ryan]|19:27 Ryan says, "Whoa, international date line. My laptop just went from Shanghai to Osaka to Anchorage, and then left Anchorage before it left Shanghai."
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:28 inky | In amateur matches, artificial pitches are commonly used. These can be a slab of concrete, overlaid with a coir mat, artificial turf, some times dirt is put over the coir mat to provide an authentic feeling pitch. Artificial pitches are rare in professional cricket.-being used only when exhibition matches are played in regions where cricket is not a common sport.
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:29 McMartin says, "The exhibition matches are also the ones that don't take three days, right"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:30 inky says, "check out the second answer here: http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080919222423AAMjtuq "
[jobs]|19:32 inky | https://www.parse.com/jobs#api
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:33 Olly asks, "Wait.  They actually play for five days on purpose?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:33 inky says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:34 inky says, "you remember this is a sport that has built-in tea breaks"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:35 Olly says, "Good thing, too."
[lounge]|19:35 Ghogg goes home.
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:37 maga says, "if cricket had required actual sustained exercise, you wouldn't have been able to play it in the colonies"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:38 Olly says, "They play football in the colonies."
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:38 McMartin says, "And it's over in a few hours"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:38 McMartin says, "Hardly a sport at all"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:38 McMartin says, "Why, you can't get through a single kettle of hot water"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:40 maga says, "also it's a lot harder to play while drunk"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:40 Olly asks, "Cricket or football?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:40 maga says, "football"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:41 Johnny says, "footsie"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:41 Olly asks, "Why?  Isn't it hard to hit the cricket ball when you are drunk?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:42 maga says, "yeah, but the default cricket stroke is defensive; all you really have to do is block the thing"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:42 Olly says, "I see."
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:43 maga says, "it's not like baseball where there's at least some pressure to actually make a good big hit quickly"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:44 Olly nods.
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:44 maga says, "whereas in football you're running about for most of the time, keeping track of where everybody else is"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:44 Olly says, "Yes, I can see how that might be difficult when drunk."
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:45 Olly says, "Dribbling the ball would probably be hard, too."
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:45 McMartin says, "Dribbling *on* the ball may be easier"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:46 Olly asks, "Why do cricket players wear flannel outfits?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:47 Olly says, "It seems as if they would get too hot."
[IntroComp]|19:49 maga says, "okay, one to go"
[lounge]|19:55 two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
[lounge]|19:56 Olly asks, "Why *did* two-star take 30,500 buckets?"
[lounge]|19:56 McMartin says, "A poorly-timed TAKE ALL in a game with dynamic object allocation"
[Olympics]|19:59 inky says, "these mascots are pretty amazing"
[Olympics]|19:59 Olly asks, "The ones that look like aliens?"
[Olympics]|19:59 inky says, "yeah"
[lounge]|20:00 Olly says, "I have to go run an errand before the store closes."
[lounge]|20:00 Johnny says, "See ya later, Ollygator."
[Olympics]|20:00 zarf says, "ALL THESE CITIES ARE YOURS, EXCEPT LONDON. ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE."
[lounge]|20:00 Olly exclaims, "Yay!"
[lounge]|20:01 Olly says, "Ciao, MUDsters."
[lounge]|20:01 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[lounge]|20:04 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|20:04 * Ellison has disconnected.
[music]|20:06 K-Y says, "okay, that is a strange bundle"
[lounge]|20:10 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|20:10 Jota greets.
[music]|20:11 lpsmith asks, "Strange how?"
[music]|20:12 lpsmith says, "(unless you just mean 'music?')"
[music]|20:12 K-Y says, "four geek acts"
[music]|20:12 K-Y says, "one anime"
[music]|20:12 K-Y says, "one GRAMMY WINNER"
[music]|20:13 lpsmith asks, "Which one won the grammy?"
[music]|20:13 lpsmith asks, "tin?"
[music]|20:13 K-Y says, "yes"
[music]|20:13 lpsmith says, "That one is geek because it is the Civ V soundtrack."
[music]|20:14 lpsmith says, "(well, civ V opening screen music)"
[music]|20:14 K-Y says, "I thought it was one song from Civ IV"
[music]|20:15 K-Y asks, "and are the other songs even from games?"
[music]|20:20 lpsmith says, "No, you're right."
[zarfplan]|20:20 zarf says, "time to throw more money at somafm.com"
[music]|20:20 lpsmith says, "But they are all that style, and I have it because of Civ V, at least."
[zarfplan]|20:21 zarf says, "seeing how much music I've streamed off them in the past year"
[movie]|20:22 Grocible says, "hm interesting"
[movie]|20:22 Grocible says, "a somewhat staged conversation between daniel radcliffe and jk rowling"
[music]|20:22 K-Y | It uses texts in 12 languages, including Swahili, Japanese, Mandarin, Portuguese, French, Latin, Irish Gaelic, Polish, Hebrew, Farsi, Sanskrit, and Maori, and is organized around the themes of day/life, night/death, and dawn/rebirth.
[movie]|20:22 Grocible says, "video pirated to youtube"
[movie]|20:23 Grocible says, "you get the sense that radcliffe is a decent friendly chap you'd want to meet, but rowling... brrr"
[movie]|20:23 K-Y says, "I hope this is one of those skits where the actors are stuck in their roles and can't get out of it"
[movie]|20:24 Fang asks, "url?"
[movie]|20:24 Grocible says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYONLt_xnCg&feature=related "
[music]|20:27 K-Y says, "this is terrible timing as I still need to use up these free Amazon MP3 credits"
[music]|20:36 K-Y says, "on an unrelated note"
[music]|20:37 K-Y says, "on the bright side, a lot of previously vinyl-only music is now on iTunes/Amazon"
[music]|20:37 K-Y says, "on the downside, they *sound* like they were ripped directly from vinyl"
[movie]|20:47 Hugo says, "That's odd, seeing as how full-to-bursting the Harry Potter books were with real, honest human emotion."
[lounge]|20:47 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|20:47 * Emily has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:53 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[lounge]|20:53 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[lounge]|20:53 jess snaps out of it and unidles.
[food]|20:53 jess says, "i did not realize chimichurri was so spicy"
[food]|20:54 jess says, "or at least this stuff is, i got it in a jar at the store"
[food]|20:54 jess says, "i'm not complaining necessarily, but whoo"
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:55 Jota says, "Ethically, it seems like if you had a way of knowing lottery numbers in advance -- genuine working psychic powers, for instance -- then some people might regard that as cheating."
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:55 Jota says, "But on the other hand, lots of people *think* they have a special insight into how lottery numbers are chosen, but are in fact simply bad at math."
[Canada]|20:55 Hugo says, "Oops, I missed olethros, just now and actually aranging to get downtown to say hello."
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:55 Jota says, "But no one ever accuses them of behaving unethically."
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:56 Jota says, "I wonder why that is."
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:58 McMartin says, "Because it doesn't work"
[stuck-in-head]|20:58 jess says, "pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little, cheep cheep cheep, talk a lot, pick a little more."
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:58 inky says, "hmm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:59 McMartin says, "Moral judgements take place in an objective universe - in a moral universe where psychic powers doesn't exist or can't be use to win lotteries, attempting to do so anyway for personal gain is not immoral"
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:59 McMartin says, "In a world where they *might*, it gets a lot more questionable."
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:59 McMartin says, "Like, I fit your description here, more or less"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:00 McMartin says, "I have a few extra caveats I want to put in"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:00 Jota says (to McM), "OK, then s/psychic powers/familiarity with the inner workings of lotto machines/"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:00 McMartin says, "Mmmm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:00 McMartin says, "It depends on the precision of the results."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:01 McMartin says, "If it's closer to playing poker with marked cards, that's a big problem"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:01 inky says, "hmm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:01 McMartin says, "If it's closer to card-counting in blackjack, it's not a very big problem though I'm also cool with them banning you and revoking the prize"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:01 McMartin says, "If it's closer to playing a system in blackjack, it's not a problem at all."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:01 Jota says, "Also, I'm not sure 'it doesn't work' would be an aswer. Trying to kill someone with a gun you think is loaded is still wrong even if you're mistaken, even if it's legally a different crime."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:02 McMartin says, "Well, right, it's a different crime"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:02 McMartin says, "However, if you do something legal with a guilty mind you aren't guilty of anything"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:02 Jota asks, "How about being closer to having a savantic knack for recognizing cards by the backs?"
[lounge]|21:02 Ellison arrives from the east.
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:02 McMartin says, "The people who are bad at math and think, incorrectly, that they are gaming the system aren't an ethical problem"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:02 McMartin says, "Though they may be terrible people"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:03 McMartin says, "But that's independent"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:03 Jota asks (of McM), "Your morality is based on whether or not something is a crime?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:03 McMartin says, "No, but your example there was a criminal one"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:03 McMartin says, "I'm saying the 'being bad at math' case is a case where they aren't cheating but think they are"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:03 McMartin says, "That's not really in the same class to me as people who are actually cheating, or even as people who aren't technically cheating but are gaming the system"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:04 Jota asks, "But why is that ethically any different?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:04 McMartin says, "As for 'savantically able to tell the backs of cards' I would have difficulty distinguishing this from someone who is savantically able to read other players very, very well"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:04 McMartin says, "Apparently because I've got a bit of consequentialism in my ethical system"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:05 Jota says, "There is no advantage to reading the other players in blackjack."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:05 McMartin asks, "If someone lives a good life but internally glees at what a supervillain they're totally being, are they doing ethically wrong things?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:05 Jota says, "I would say so."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:05 McMartin says, "OK, that's the nub of our disagreement, then."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:05 inky asks, "hunh, really?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:06 Jota says, "Or rather, I would say they're not leading a good life."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:06 inky says, "I guess this is sort of a works vs faith argument"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:06 Jota says, "They're leading an evil life, but just doing so very ineffectively."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:06 McMartin says, "I was about to bring that up"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:06 McMartin asks (of Jota), "What if they think that petting kittens and feeding orphans is totally the worst thing ever?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:06 McMartin says, "Because that's the equivalent of 'bad at math' here for me"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:07 McMartin says, "And so they will PET ALL THE KITTENS A HA HA HA HA AH AHA HA HA HAAAAAAA"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:07 McMartin says, "I mean, there's precedent"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:07 McMartin says, "Look at all those Bond villains"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:07 Jota asks, "If someone lead a horrible life, always accidentally cutting people off in traffic without realizing it, inadvertantly screwing other people over, but all along thought they were doing good and always tried to do what they thought was right, are they doing ethically wrong things?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:08 McMartin says, "Yeah, I'm pretty firmly on the 'yes' side there"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:08 Jota says, "Huh."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:08 McMartin says, "Specifically, I'm going to judge them as being dangerously negligent about everything"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:09 McMartin says, "Again, this has to be outside of a legal structure"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:09 Jota says, "OK, in that case, the people in cars who keep stopping every time they think I want to cross the street really *are* assholes."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:09 McMartin says, "But we have detailed legal structures for dealing with a lot of that stuff."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:09 McMartin says, "It depends!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:09 McMartin says, "If they get mad at you when you don't, sure."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:09 McMartin says, "If you smile and wave them on as you continue and they also so continue, then it was a harmless misunderstanding"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:09 Jota asks, "Where does getting mad come into it?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:10 McMartin says, "It's the part that makes them an asshole instead of an ordinary imperfect human being, basically"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:10 McMartin says, "I'm using kind of a broad brush here, obvs"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:10 Jota says, "They are annoying me, because I want to cross when there are no cars. They have good intentions, but they are significantly inconveniencing me by not getting out of the way."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:11 Jota says, "So they are the ones inadvertantly screwing me over by trying to do what they think is right."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:11 Jota says, "Which you said you were firmly on the side of that being ethically wrong."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:11 McMartin says, "So, this is slightly alien to me because such a situation in California is covered very, very firmly by traffic laws that are widely followed"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:11 McMartin says, "I don't actually consider that 'screwing you over', as it happens"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:11 McMartin says, "The protocol as I know it is 'pedestrian and car simultaneously approach four-way stop'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:11 Jota says, "I do! It's a big peeve of mine."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:12 McMartin says, "Right"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:12 McMartin says, "So, first off, your preference violates the local cultural norm, so that's weird thing one"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:12 McMartin says, "The other driver is legally forbidden to not yield to you unless you do something to explicitly give them the right of way (generally, wave them on)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:13 Jota says, "I'm not in the road."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:13 Jota says, "I'm standing patiently on the sidewalk."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:13 McMartin says, "Yes"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:13 McMartin says, "My understanding of CA right-of-way law is that you have to yield to pedestrians at an intersection when they're preparing to cross as well."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:14 McMartin says, "This is made easier by most such intersections also being four-way stops."
[lounge]|21:14 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]|21:14 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:14 McMartin says, "In short: You may need to expand your example more, because you're baking in some assumptions about pedestrians, cars, and roads that may not hold"
[Austin]|21:14 jenrexrode says, "grr, my favorite place to get CFS is closed, and I don't know why"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:15 McMartin says, "Also, getting on someone's nerves is not screwing them over in my formulation"
[Austin]|21:15 inky asks, "CFS?"
[Austin]|21:15 Alex says (to inky), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that CFS is Computerized Fantasy Simulation."
[Austin]|21:15 jenrexrode says, "chicken fried steak"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:15 McMartin says, "This is going to start moving away from works/faith and into the Euthyphro dilemma if we keep going down it, I think."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:16 McMartin says, "Since you seem to have misunderstood my earlier judgement, let me make it starker"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:16 McMartin says, "Someone who unwittingly leaves a trail of shattered lives behind them is in fact a bad person even if they always mean the best for everyone."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:16 McMartin says, "If they aren't *aware* they are doing so this is a sign of extreme negligence, which is a bad personality trait"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:17 McMartin says, "If they *are* aware they are doing so and do nothing about it, that's a more traditional bad trait"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:17 Psmith asks, "what if they are in denial about doing so?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:18 Psmith says, "thinking of Typhoid Mary as an example here."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:18 McMartin says, "OK, so, throw a 'know or should have reasonably known'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:18 Jota says, "So, someone who helps you get a job interview somewhere that they don't realize will be soul-deadening to work out, thus preventing you from having a chance encounter that leads to your dream job a week later. Someone who gives up their own lunch so you can eat, not realizing that the mayo has gone bad and that you'll be hospitalized with food poisoning..."
[geekiness]|21:18 genericgeekgirl says, "Ugh. My anti-nausea meds have just been making me feel worse."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:18 McMartin says, "I forget if Typhoid Mary was around before the concept of 'carriers' was a thing"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:18 Jota says, "s/work out/work at/"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:19 McMartin says, "The former is a wild hypothetical, you get a pass. The latter, if they eat it and get sick and you feel nothing about it - or a 'gee, lucky me I gave that away' - yeah, that's a failure of empathy"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:19 inky says, "hmm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:20 Jota says (to McM), "I never said anything about finding out and not caring."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:20 inky says, "maybe it's more reasonable to say that someone who accidentally causes some harm isn't acting unethically, but someone who repeatedly accidentally causes harm may be acting unethically carelessly"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:20 Jota says, "I was kinda considering that 'not realizing' would imply that you don't know they got sick."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:21 McMartin says, "Right, the problem I have with this is that you appear to be saying that systematically remaining in deliberate ignorance of the results of your actions results in living a 'perfect' life as long as you have a good heart"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:21 McMartin says, "I'm saying that if you do that, you do not have a good heart"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:21 McMartin says, "Except I'm more saying 'I don't care much about the quality of your heart except to the way it affects your actions'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:22 McMartin says, "If you make a habit of this stuff, you will present to society as a cheerful sociopath"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:22 McMartin says, "... like Gatsby, I suppose"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:22 Jota says, "You keep reading extra things in. Like deliberation."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:23 McMartin asks, "That word does not mean to me anything I can apply to this conversation. Unpack that, please?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:23 Jota asks, "'Deliberation'?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:23 McMartin says, "Yes, to me that means what juries do, more or less."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:23 Jota says, "You were the one who just referred to 'deliberate ignorance'."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:23 McMartin says, "Oh, deliberateness."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:24 McMartin says, "Yes, I'm making some assumptions about mindset"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:24 Jota says, "Also, 'deliberate' and all its forms just stopped being words for me, unfortunately."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:25 McMartin says, "If I drop those assumptions I am no longer dealing with an ethically relevant being, more or less."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:25 McMartin says, "It is true that these judgements do not apply to infants or small children."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:25 McMartin says, "I hold grownups to higher standards."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:26 McMartin says, "This is where the traffic-intersection thing falls down, assuming I'm still not way off-base in your description of it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:26 Jota asks, "So if someone gives the sandwich he just bought to a homeless guy, and doesn't check back in later to make sure the sandwich didn't coincidentally make him sick, then he's not behaving like a grownup?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:26 McMartin says, "The standard there is 'should have known' for consequentialism, and in cases where things go wrong, there's an obligation to help fix it."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:27 McMartin says, "No, in that case the judgement clearly goes against the place selling tainted sandwiches."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:27 McMartin says, "And yeah, if they aren't checking to make sure this isn't a consistent problem, the county health board is going to nail them to the wall"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:27 McMartin says, "And I am completely fine with that"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:29 McMartin says, "At any rate, yes, I am aware of the problems with fully consequentialist reasoning, which is why I do not use it entirely."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:29 McMartin says, "But it matters"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:29 Jota says, "But I'm talking about the guy who, through ignorance, was the direct cause of the homeless guy getting sick. Or the guy who helped a hitchhiker get to their destination, not realizing that the hitchhiker would get mugged there. Etc."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:29 McMartin says, "And I don't consider 'I meant well' to be a defense of anything at all."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:29 Jota says, "The one leaving a trail of shattered lives in his wake."
[lounge]|21:29 Doug waves.
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:30 McMartin says, "Essentially, Odysseus"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:30 McMartin says, "My answer to that is 'I don't believe your hypothetical exists, as you are stating it'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:30 Jota says, "(This is obviously a highly contrived scenario and a highly improbable person, but that's why it's only a thought experiment.)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:30 McMartin says, "Yeah"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:31 McMartin says, "My answer is 'death to thought experiements; if I ever found something resembling this in real life, it would not be the thought experiment, it would be someone breaking things'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:31 Jota says, "If you're going to reject my hypothetical, then you're going to have to retract your guy who thinks petting kittens is the work of Satan."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:31 maga says (to Jota), "here I refer to Emily's thing where one crazy ex is plausible, *all* your exes being crazy probably means there's something up with you"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:31 Jota says, "Since mine was only a response to yours :)"
[lounge]|21:31 Miseri regularly eats multiples of things inky wouldn't eat more than zero of.
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:31 McMartin says, "Well, that was a hyperbolic version."
[lounge]|21:31 Miseri says, "arrr"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:32 McMartin says, "The non-hyperbolic version is someone who believes they've worked out how to cheat in a game and enthusiastically does so, not realizing that what they are doing is not only legal within the rules but not even a good strategy"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:33 McMartin says, "In the specific case here - a gambling game - I use an unrelated set of ethical guidelines that don't actually invoke state of mind of any particpant"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:33 inky says, "hmm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:33 Jota says, "In which case, the non-hyperbolic version of mine is someone who thinks they've found a good charity and gives them a bunch of money, not realizing they're a front for a criminal organization that they've just contributed to."
[music]|21:33 K-Y says, "noooo"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:33 McMartin says, "I consider it irresponsible to not make at least a good faith effort to research charities you're donating to."
[music]|21:33 K-Y says, "all the OK Go remixes here are those minimal and minimal electro and minimal electro takes"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:34 inky says, "I think in McMartin's latest example I wouldn't consider the person unethical but I would consider it evidence of likely future unethicality"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:34 McMartin says, "I would definitely not use 'unethical' for that act"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:34 McMartin says, "As I guess immediately demonstrated I would use 'irresponsible'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:34 inky says, "which suggests I do think of ethics as a set of laws you can follow the letter but not the spirit of"
[craft]|21:35 vimes | In IF, if you're stuck, you're going to have to experiment wildly or to stop and really think about it, and "wear puppy" is never ever ever ever EVER going to work.
[craft]|21:35 McMartin says, "I smell a speed-IF"
[craft]|21:35 maga says, "'wear vulture' has worked for me in the past"
[craft]|21:35 inky says, " http://www.angryflower.com/puppy.gif "
[craft]|21:35 inky says, "(of course)"
[craft]|21:35 vimes says (to inky), "yeah, i was just thinking of that"
[craft]|21:35 McMartin says, "Also, Cave Story"
[craft]|21:35 vimes says, "i got stuck on cave story"
[craft]|21:35 maga says, "well, where by 'worked' I don't mean 'advanced any of my goals', but I was pretty entertained"
[craft]|21:35 McMartin says, "PUPPY HAT"
[craft]|21:36 vimes says, "PUPPY HAT PUPPY HAT"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:36 inky says, "and similarly in Jota's example I don't think of them as behaving unethically either, but it would be evidence of poor judgement, maybe"
[craft]|21:36 Psmith says, "now I'm trying to remember how Grunk responds to 'wear pig' when he finally catches it."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:37 McMartin says, "I guess more to the point is that I really don't like going by state of mind. 'I meant well' is an awful defense, and 'making the world a better place by being Lex Luthor' is a traditional defense of capitalism"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:37 McMartin says, "There are places where it obviously matters"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:37 McMartin says, "If nothing else, because murder is worse than manslaughter"
[craft]|21:37 Jota says, "Now I'm trying to remember what, if anything, happened if you tried WEAR PIG."
[craft]|21:38 Jota says, "Whoa, Ps just said that and I completely missed it until after I typed my comment."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:38 McMartin says, "(Yes, that's a legal distinction, but it reflects a genuine moral/ethical distinction, imo)"
[craft]|21:38 vimes says, "ha ha ha"
[craft]|21:38 McMartin says, "And here I thought you were trying to answer the question"
[craft]|21:38 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|21:39 inky says, "finally home"
[lounge]|21:39 inky's the ninja least likely to get hit by a car on a dark road.
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:41 Jota says, "(Since I posed the original question but never really answered it myself: I don't consider people who think they have systems for beating the lottery, but I wouldn't consider a genuine psychich who beat the lottery unethical either. Unfair, perhaps, but not unethical.)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:42 McMartin says, "In a world where psychic powers are known to exist, having a lottery at all is a foolish act, yes"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:42 McMartin says, "I mean, at that point the gambling 'ethics' rules for me come in"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:42 vimes says, "IN A WORLD..."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:42 McMartin says, "Which is that it's OK to use it but it's also OK for them to vacate the prize and ban you from playing if they find that you're gaming it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:42 McMartin says, "But they really need to put some effort into making it hard to game as well"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:43 McMartin says, "In blackjack terms, you can throw out card-counters, but you also really need to use a shoe, because come on"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:43 baf says, "Indeed, someone who won the lottery through psychic powers would have done more to earn it than someone who won it by chance alone. So arguably it's *more* ethical."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:44 McMartin says, "I think that framework would be hard to defend in general"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:44 McMartin says, "Effort expended <-> Reward deserved doesn't pan out well, especially if you don't qualify 'effort *on what*'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:44 Jota says (to McM), "I think that we can safely assume that psychic powers weren't generally *known* to exist, or else lotteries as we know them would not."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:44 baf says, "It pretty much only applies to lotteries."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:44 Psmith asks, "how about store assistants at places which sell scratchcards, who observe patterns in frequency of winners (from customers who scratch the cards right there), and pick the more probable cards to buy and scratch themselves?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:44 McMartin says (to Jota), "Normally I'd be OK with that, but Blackjack."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:45 McMartin says (to Psmith), "This shades into 'people who are bad at math'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:45 McMartin says, "When organized crime games such things - as they apparently did regularly with those McDonald's Monopoly promotions - this was deemed a sizable problem and the contests were reworked"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:45 McMartin says, "I don't think this was merely because the people who did so were unsavory"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:46 Jota says (to Ps), "If they're depriving regular customers from getting them by choosing them first, that seems unethical. But if they're just using their experience to make good buying decisions, that seems perfectly fine to me."
[zarfplan]|21:46 zarf says, "yay, Dreamhold patch is now available."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:46 McMartin says, "Though if the latter is *possible* there's something wrong with that scratchers system"
[zarfplan]|21:46 McMartin says, "Hooray!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:47 Psmith asks, "right, but why should the average customer be at a disadvantage because of the shortcomings of the scratchcard producers?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:47 Jota says (to McM), "I remember reading about a math guy who did basically that. Except that he wasn't a store employee. Just a guy who bought some tickets."
[zarfplan]|21:47 McMartin says (to Jota), "Yeah"
[jobs]|21:47 Doug | Ability to fly remote control devices with extreme precision.
[zarfplan]|21:47 McMartin says, "ILAC"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:47 McMartin says, "ISTR that too"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:48 McMartin says, "And yes, that is fine"
[jobs]|21:48 Doug says, "this is at the bottom of a "Skill set" section for a Ruby on Rails job"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:48 McMartin says, "Within reason"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:48 Jota says (to Ps), "Hence 'unfair'. Which isn't the same as unethical."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:48 Psmith says, "(I should say "more of a disadvantage than they would be on a level playing field", because obviously scratchcards are -EV in general.)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:48 McMartin says, "Finding something gamable and then systematically exploiting the Hell out of something can be considered unethical all on its own"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:48 Jota says (to Ps), "True. You're competing against the house, not the other players."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:49 McMartin says, "This is actually also true of blackjack"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:49 Jota asks (of McM), "Isn't that pretty much what all business *is*?"
[jobs]|21:49 zarf says, "reply: 'excuse me, I wasn't applying for Ruby Flying Haphazardly By Remote Control.'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:49 McMartin asks, "Are we distinguishing business from, uh, industry?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:49 Psmith says (to Jota), "well, poker isn't, as a counterexample. The house doesn't care who wins or lose, they take the rake regardless."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:49 McMartin says, "And if so, are we also distinguishing it from finance"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:50 Jota says, "E.g., realizing that this neighborhood doesn't have any grocery stores within a convenient distance, and so opening one nearby."
[jobs]|21:50 Doug says, "Ruby on Rotors"
[jobs]|21:50 zarf says, "there you go"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:50 Jota asks (of Ps), "Isn't what?"
[Austin]|21:50 jenrexrode says, "wen't for an adventure instead."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:50 McMartin says, "Against the house"
[Austin]|21:50 jenrexrode says, "went to a new trailer for my CFS"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:51 Jota says, "But Ps was talking about scratchcards."
[Austin]|21:51 jenrexrode says, "SoCo to Go"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:51 Psmith says (to Jota), "I was misreading a comment of yours, sorry."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:51 McMartin says, "Exploiting the hell out of things I'm thinking more along the cases where the word 'leveraged' gets used."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:51 Psmith says, "also, 'insider trading'."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:52 McMartin says, "I actually didn't have that in mind"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:52 McMartin says, "That's just straight-up cheating in this metaphor"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:52 McMartin says, "Something like marking the cards or using backdated lottery tickets"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:53 Psmith says, "really? I don't see much difference between the store assistant being in a better position to observe card patterns, and the guy whose brother tells him about some big deal at work over a beer."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:53 McMartin says, "For vs. the house, since you're -EV anyway, gaming the system I have no real problem with, but I also have no real problem with the house deciding to not let you play anymore based solely on your performance being anomalously high."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:53 McMartin says, "Interestingly, this works even in the presence of secret psychic powers"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:53 Jota says (to Ps), "Except that the latter is technically against the rules."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:54 McMartin says, "The former is also using information that is theoretically also publically available."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:54 Jota says (to McM), "Sure, as long as they don't apply it retroactively."
[lounge]|21:54 nm, Whitehead and Russell reveal themselves as complete amateurs
[lounge]|21:54 nm says, "hi"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:54 McMartin says (to Jota), "Watch out for that fine print, I guess"
[lounge]|21:54 Johnny does like justice, but that's taking it a bit far.
[lounge]|21:55 jenrexrode says, "hi nm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:55 Jota says, "If you count cards and win, and there's no explicit rule against counting cards, then I am fine with them kicking you out, as long as they kick you out with your winnings so far."
[dinner]|21:55 jenrexrode says, "CFS and M&C"
[dinner]|21:55 jenrexrode says, "jalepeno M&C"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:55 Psmith says, "the Man Who Broke The Bank At Monte Carlo was allowed to keep his winnings, indeed."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:55 Jota says, "And likewise, I am fine with them banning psychics from playing lotteries, but not with them withholding winnings from psychics who played before the ban."
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:56 McMartin says, "Yeah"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:57 McMartin says, "That honestly feels like a cultural quirk though"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:58 McMartin says, "I could easily see a custom that's more heavily rigged towards the house saying everyone leaves with their initial investment"
[apropos-of-nothing]|21:58 McMartin says, "Psychics in poker get harder because the line between that and being able to read players may be arbitrarily small"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:00 Jota says, "Then we get into the question of different kinds of psychics."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:00 Jota says, "Since reading minds is a completely different skill from predicting the future."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:00 Jota says, "(And I'm guessing the former is what you're referring to now.)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:01 McMartin says, "Yeah"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:01 McMartin says, "Heck, we can take that back to lotteries too"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:01 McMartin says, "There's precognitives deducing what it must be"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:01 McMartin says, "And then there's telekinetics interfering with the selection system"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:01 McMartin asks, "Is the latter more problematic than the former?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:02 Psmith asks, "if you're a precognitive, do you predict the telekinetic buggering up your foreseen result?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:02 McMartin says, "Kind of a useless precognitive if you can't"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:03 McMartin says, "If the actions of sentients mess you up, all you get is the ability to predict the results of physics experiments before they run"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:03 Jota says, "I'd consider the telekinetics intefering with the selection system to be exactly equivalent to anyone else intergering with the selection system."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:03 McMartin says, "Which would actually be awesome except for the part where you still have to run it anyway to give them something to predict"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:06 baf says, "I think of Minority Report here. Not the movie, but the story it was based on, which was rather different."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:08 McMartin says, "Though closer than most Dick adaptations"
[lounge]|22:08 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:08 Jota says, "I haven't read the story. Although now that I know it exists, I want to read it."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:08 Jota says, "So I guess I have to ask you not to spoil."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:08 McMartin says, "(Reading the story Total Recall was based on as if it starred Schwartzenegger is *hilarious*)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:08 McMartin says, "IIRC it's not too hard to find"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:08 Jota says (to McM), "Heh. I can see how it might be."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:08 baf asks, "How do you do rot13 onmud?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:09 McMartin says, "Jvgu ;@ebg13 yvxr guvf"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:09 Jota says, "Looks like there's an eponymous collection."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:09 baf says, "[rot13]One of the unexpected discoveries in the story is that every single precrime prediction has a minority report -- that is, of the three psychics predicting crimes, there's always two who agree that the crime will occur and one who says it won't. And it's not the same one every time or anything like that; it's more or less random.[/rot13]"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:09 McMartin says, "AUGH NO"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:10 McMartin says, "With ;@rot13 in the front, not with []"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:10 Jota says, "Excuse me while I reca 100 lines from the lounge to clear scrollback."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:10 baf asks, "Yvxr guvf?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:10 baf says, "Sorry."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:10 McMartin says, "Yeah with that"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:11 McMartin says, "I probably should have answered 'with #spoilers'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:11 baf says, "Naq vg gheaf bhg gung vg'f orpnhfr arprffnevyl bar bs gurz vf znxvat gur cerqvpgvba ynfg, juvpu zrnaf gung gurl'er znxvat vg va n jbeyq va juvpu gur bgure gjb unir nyernql cerqvpgrq gur pevzr naq gurerol nygrerq gur shgher."
[apropos-of-nothing]|22:11 Jota says, "Fortunately, I saw '[rot13]' and was able to avert my eyes, catching nothing else but the word 'random'."
[tangent]|22:12 McMartin asks, "I've noticed @mutec eventually undoes itself - what's the trigger for that?"
[movie]|22:12 Jota says, "Have there been any good movies based on videogames? I'm sure there must have been at least one, but luck and coincidence, but can't think of any."
[tangent]|22:12 Jota says, "Someone speaking on it after a certain period of it not being used."
[movie]|22:13 McMartin says, "Crap"
[movie]|22:13 McMartin says, "There is one"
[tangent]|22:13 Jota says, "(I don't remember what the period is.)"
[gripe]|22:13 Doug says, "why does everyone provide "screencasts" in lieu of written tutorials and documentation nowadays?  I don't want to watch a video to find an answer to my questiojn!"
[movie]|22:13 baf says, "Cloak & Dagger wasn't bad."
[movie]|22:13 McMartin says, "I remember saying after seeing it 'Gosh, I guess now the first Mortal Kombat movie can finally be superceded'"
[movie]|22:13 McMartin says, "Which was not a good movie but which was for some time the best videogame movie"
[movie]|22:14 Gerynar has yet to see a good Video Game movie
[tangent]|22:14 Jota says, "Wikipedia says Cloak & Dagger the game was based on Cloak & Dagger the movie."
[movie]|22:14 Jota says, "Wikipedia says Cloak & Dagger the game was based on Cloak & Dagger the movie."
[movie]|22:14 Gerynar says, "And I hate Mortal Combat, but that probably has something to do with the fact that he heard that movie 8hrs a day for several days as it was used to demo a sound system in a store he worked at"
[movie]|22:14 Doug asks, "does The Last Starfighter count?  or Tron?"
[movie]|22:14 Jota says, "(Although I'm not familiar with either myself.)"
[movie]|22:15 DavidW asks, "Was Tron originally a videogame?"
[movie]|22:15 Doug says, "no"
[movie]|22:15 Gerynar says, "no,"
[movie]|22:15 Jota says, "Heh."
[movie]|22:15 Gerynar says, "what Doug said"
[movie]|22:15 Jota says (to Doug), "I think that answers your own question."
[movie]|22:15 Ellison says, "I got a chance to play the Cloak & Dagger arcade"
[movie]|22:15 Jota says, "Also, it is very weird to see 'Mortal Combat' spelled with a C."
[movie]|22:15 Doug says, "I wonder how long until they make a Tetris movie."
[movie]|22:16 McMartin says, "Ah, OK. The one I had been thinking of, originally, was the first Resident Evil movie, which had been genuinely well-received."
[movie]|22:16 Ellison says, "game for the first time a couple months ago"
[movie]|22:16 Jota says (to Doug), "There's already a great Tetris music video."
[movie]|22:16 McMartin says, "HOwever, Rotten Tomatoes lists it as #3 after FF:TSW and the Sands of Time film."
[movie]|22:16 baf says, "The movie doesn't really have a lot to do with the game, other than using it as a macguffin."
[movie]|22:16 McMartin says, "Right"
[movie]|22:16 McMartin says, "This is probably why it is #2."
[movie]|22:16 Ellison says, "oh yeah, I like the first Resident Evil a lot"
[movie]|22:17 McMartin says, "Because it would have been an acceptable Random Swashbuckler Popcorn Flick even if you filed away all the tie-ins"
[movie]|22:17 Jota asks, "What's #1?"
[movie]|22:17 baf says, "(Cloak & Dagger, I mean)"
[movie]|22:17 Gerynar says, "Tetris Music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8 "
[movie]|22:17 McMartin says, "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, which is only marginally less interactive than FFXIII."
[movie]|22:17 McMartin says, "ba dump bump"
[movie]|22:17 Doug says, "heh"
[movie]|22:18 Jota says (to Gerynar), "Yup, that's the one I was thinking of."
[movie]|22:18 McMartin says, "I can't agree with that though, both because it was kind of lame and because it killed its studio"
[movie]|22:18 baf says, "Yeah, there are jokes to be made along the lines of 'My favorite movie based on a game is Metal Gear Solid 2'"
[movie]|22:18 Ellison says, "is there more than one Final Fantasy movie? I saw one and thought it was completely boring and could not keep track of the plot at all"
[movie]|22:18 McMartin says, "There is not"
[movie]|22:19 McMartin says, "I blame Squeenix fanboys for it being #1 on the RT list"
[movie]|22:19 baf says, "There was a direct-to-DVD movie sequel to FF7."
[movie]|22:19 McMartin says, "I have no difficulty believing that PoP is better than RE"
[movie]|22:19 baf says, "Advent Children."
[movie]|22:19 McMartin says, "And RE is the one I remember thinking was the best VG movie at the time of its release."
[movie]|22:20 baf says, "A friend of mine spoke of watching Advent Children and thinking 'Ah, this is what I was supposed to have been imagining was going on in the game's rather abstract fight sequences.'"
[movie]|22:20 Jota says, "I guess board games still have videogames beaten, then."
[movie]|22:21 Jota says, "(Since I'm confident none of those is better than Clue.)"
[movie]|22:21 McMartin says, "Getting to have Clue on your side is kind of hax"
[movie]|22:21 McMartin says, "There have been entire seasons where nothing better than Clue comes out"
[movie]|22:22 Jota says, "True."
[movie]|22:26 nm says, "oh man I missed the Cloak & Dagger discussion"
[movie]|22:26 nm says, "it was shot (to some extent) in San Antonio, exciting many of us who lived there"
[movie]|22:26 nm says, "it propagated a fantasy that people use mass transit there"
[movie]|22:26 nm says, "as the bus system was featured"
[lounge]|22:27 inky is a CN mercenary who will do pretty much anything for the right price (20 gp/day)
[lounge]|22:28 nm says, "inky of 20 gp/pound/flesh/day"
[lounge]|22:28 McMartin says, "That's your hammer-to-sword ratio"
[lounge]|22:28 McMartin says, "Pounds per flesch"
[movie]|22:29 boucher says, "New movie subgenre, 'transit fantasy'"
[metafilter]|22:33 inky | I'm thinking about wearing a cup everyday. I figure if I can do it without it being noticeable, why shouldn't I? The thing is, I don't know anything about them.
[metafilter]|22:33 (from Jota) inky | Can I wear it under a bikini, or will I need a one-piece?
[metafilter]|22:34 inky says, "hee hee"
[movie]|22:34 boucher says, "'Frodo, you must take the A line to the Dead Marshes, get off and catch the 7:15 G6 line to the White Marshes, exchange at Minas Morgul.  From there, you can either take a bus or camp until dawn and find the G train, but beware, it often gets delayed in Shelob?s Lair...', etc...."
[movie]|22:35 boucher says, "Er, White Mountains"
[movie]|22:35 DavidW says, "There was something called Supertrain, but I heard it was dreadful."
[movie]|22:36 Jota says, "Er, the White Mountains are in New Hampshire, not Mordor."
[movie]|22:36 K-Y says, "one does not simply commute to Mordor"
[movie]|22:38 boucher says, "'Sam, I don't like this...there's a homeless man approaching us, and he's asking about his precious.'"
[lounge]|22:38 olethros was sworn in by robed priests on Thursday morning.
[lounge]|22:39 olethros says, "re"
[dinner]|22:40 olethros says, "that was a nice quail on barley 'risoto'"
[dinner]|22:42 jenrexrode says, "yum"
[movie]|22:42 boucher says, "Actually, though this cheats, since it's practically steampunk, a search for 'mass transit fantasy' mentions Eberron, and the Lightning Rail"
[comics]|22:42 K-Y | Cirque du Soleil, MARVEL Team for Comic Based on Stage Show
[movie]|22:43 boucher says, "Maybe someone will make an Eberron movie"
[movie]|22:43 boucher says, "(Since the last movie to bear the D&D name did so well)"
[dinner]|22:44 olethros says, "also included: gorgonzola-filled fig"
[dinner]|22:45 olethros says, "a bit expensive for canadian standards (24 CAN) but totally worth it"
[quotations]|22:46 olethros | Even the Taliban like ice-cream.
[lounge]|22:49 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|22:49 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[dinner]|22:50 jenrexrode says, "my dinner was $10 with tax and tip"
[movie]|22:50 boucher asks, "Also, belatedly, the earlier mention of Terry Gilliam's daughter 'searching through his stuff' made me feel a bit of shock that I might have missed an #obits, until I realized it was just, er, prehumous?"
[movie]|22:51 boucher says, "He is getting fairly old, though...didn't realize he was already 71"
[movie]|22:52 boucher says, "It's never too soon to start archiving some people's stuff, of course, as the chaos when and after they do pass away may mean some unexpected treasures get swept away."
[movie]|22:53 McMartin says, "I think Eberron is more 'fantasy mass transit'"
[movie]|22:53 boucher says, "Also fantasy no ham"
[movie]|22:54 McMartin says, "A grim future indeed if it lacks ham"
[movie]|22:55 boucher says, "Well, only Warforged are not permitted ham."
[movie]|22:55 Jota says, "But in the grim future of Eberron, there is only Warforged."
[movie]|22:56 boucher says, "(If nobody remembers this meme, I was playing the D&D Online MMO beta, and found the wording on food buffs in the item tooltips rather...oppressive: http://bouchert.com/dumbpics/noham.jpg )"
[movie]|22:57 McMartin asks, "Does this mean you also can't overact?"
[movie]|22:57 McMartin says, "Also, that is the greatest D&DO screenshot I have ever seen"
[movie]|22:57 boucher says, "It's shopped slightly to add the tear and frown."
[Hugo]|22:58 Hugo says, "Ellison you are all kinds of awesome."
[movie]|22:59 McMartin asks, "Is bacon still a go?"
[movie]|22:59 boucher says, "You see, I refuse to believe, in a sophisticated society, that magic capable of allowing artificial enjoyment of pork-based products can't exist."
[movie]|23:00 boucher says, "But then, I've ranted about rights on #AI before."
[movie]|23:00 McMartin says, "Maybe it's not that it can't, but that it hasn't reached sufficient quality yet"
[movie]|23:01 McMartin says, "I mean, it would not do to let the AIs get bacon and not fully perceive its glory"
[Hugo]|23:01 Ellison says, "hey, thanks"
[movie]|23:01 McMartin says, "They might get jaded, or think bacon was nothing special"
[movie]|23:02 McMartin says, "All that said - I could see an Eberron movie being really good in ways that 'Dungeons and Dragons' could not"
[movie]|23:02 boucher says, "Ah.  'I discern a lack of quality in this food.'"
[movie]|23:02 McMartin says, "Though the latter - speaking of ham - did buy one actor a new castle, which is only appropriate"
[movie]|23:03 boucher says, "I have a soft spot for the D&D movie for one reason and one reason only.  That it contains a member of an ancient and distinguished race: The Time Elves."
[nostalgia]|23:03 inky says, "another pbs remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLO7tCdBVrA "
[dinner]|23:05 boucher says, "Huh, stuffed figs is a food I've not encountered."
[dinner]|23:06 inky asks, "stuffed with cheese?"
[dinner]|23:06 boucher says, "And it wouldn't occur to me to stuff it with cheese."
[dinner]|23:06 inky says, "I had some about a week ago but they were more fig halves with some cheese on top"
[dinner]|23:07 boucher says, "I guess I'm somewhat not a fig person even on a semi-occasional basis."
[dinner]|23:07 boucher says, "It's not that I don't like them...I just rarely eat them"
[nostalgia]|23:08 Ellison says, "neat"
[nostalgia]|23:08 inky says, "not as good as the mr rogers one, I think"
[wildlife]|23:08 olethros | When defending their colony, some termites "explode", releasing chemicals that injure intruders.
[dinner]|23:09 boucher asks, "I suppose it's a mediterranean/middle eastern cultural thing to some degree?"
[dinner]|23:09 inky says, "hmm, I guess"
[dinner]|23:10 inky says, "not bacon-wrapped figs, though"
[dinner]|23:10 boucher says, "Heh"
[dinner]|23:10 boucher says, "Bacon-wrapped figs:  Warforged and Jews Absolutely Excluded."
[dinner]|23:11 inky says, "ha ha"
[tangent]|23:12 boucher says, "Actually, dang.  I don't know if I'm stupid or what, but I totally didn't think of the connection between warforged and golems until just now."
[dinner]|23:12 olethros says, "there was bacon too!"
[tangent]|23:12 boucher says, "Or perhaps I did and forgot and just rediscovered the thought."
[dinner]|23:13 olethros says (to inky), "yeah they were not really stuffed, they were just cut in two with some cheese put on top"
[dinner]|23:13 olethros says, "so maybe it's a trend"
[videogames]|23:13 maga says, "god damn legendary Legion assassins"
[wildlife]|23:15 boucher says, "Damn banelings"
[wildlife]|23:16 olethros says, "they actually use a two-component chemical bomb"
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[wildlife]|23:17 olethros says, "aiee"
[jendoodle]|23:17 jenrexrode says, "I wonder if there're online Aspergers tests"
[wildlife]|23:17 olethros | in these species there is a 'backpack' with two crystals carried outside the body. When the termite bursts, the two mix together, producing the more toxic compounds.
[wildlife]|23:17 boucher says, "Also, I don't know if my gag was lost"
[nostalgia]|23:17 Ellison says, "you can download all of the guy's music here, it looks like: http://melodysheep.bandcamp.com/ "
[wildlife]|23:17 olethros asks, "banelings?"
[lounge]|23:18 BrenBarn busta.
[wildlife]|23:18 boucher says, " http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Baneling "
[lounge]|23:18 jenrexrode says, "hi bb"
[wildlife]|23:18 olethros says, "oh, I see"
[lounge]|23:18 Ellison says, "how is bb formed here"
[wildlife]|23:18 boucher says, "I'm not much of an SC player, but yeah..."
[lounge]|23:18 jenrexrode says, "heh"
[wildlife]|23:19 boucher says, "A lot of people I know who are deeply into this hate them"
[lounge]|23:19 nm says, "the molten metal is rolled around and around"
[wildlife]|23:19 boucher says, "Or, conversely, love them as a desperation move"
[lounge]|23:19 olethros asks, "can you roll molten metal?"
[lounge]|23:19 nm says, "that's how we roll"
[lounge]|23:19 jenrexrode says, "until it bustas"
[lounge]|23:19 olethros says, "yo"
[lounge]|23:20 olethros says, "maybe some zing is required"
[lounge]|23:20 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[jendoodle]|23:20 boucher says, "I imagine if there are, they start with 'Did you seek this test out for yourself'"
[jendoodle]|23:21 boucher says, "I considered finding an ADD test, but then I got distracted."
[jendoodle]|23:22 jenrexrode says, "I feel like the world is the nyan cat song, and I'm tired of listening"
[jendoodle]|23:22 boucher says, "I probably don't help then.  I'm more or less one long nyan"
[jendoodle]|23:23 jenrexrode says, "also i'm tired of hearing my badge and keycard clacking against each other"
[jendoodle]|23:23 boucher says, "But I think everyone feels like that sometimes.  So the question is whether it persists 100% of the time, of do you have brief periods of being able to stand life."
[jendoodle]|23:24 boucher says, "or do you*"
[jendoodle]|23:27 boucher says, "Big odds, if you're just tired, it's probably just anxiety and/or depression.  And I say 'just' there in a non-trivializing way, but merely meaning that you're probably not deeply mentally different from a lot of people...."
[jendoodle]|23:28 boucher says, "Not that, if it persists, some sort of help might not be in order, but sometimes life gets too hard for everyone to bear, and every little thing irritates and you feel like you're going to go mad, if you're not there already."
[lounge]|23:28 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[jendoodle]|23:28 jenrexrode says, "i think 'it' is making me tired not 'mad'"
[lounge]|23:29 BrenBarn says, "how bren get barn"
[drwho]|23:29 DorianX says, " http://chzsetphaserstolol.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/sci-fi-fantasy-genderswapped-doctor-who.jpg "
[jendoodle]|23:29 boucher says, "The best thing in the short term is to find something that soothes, distract yourself from the things that are wearing you down, and relax a bit."
[drwho]|23:29 DorianX says, "I still *really* do not like the idea of a female Doctor, and I really do not like people calling me sexist for that"
[jendoodle]|23:30 boucher says, "If you need, confess to someone and ask for a break to get yourself back in order and rebuild your mind.  People might be more sympathetic than you expect."
[drwho]|23:30 DorianX says, "But this picture is still pretty cool"
[jendoodle]|23:30 jenrexrode says, "maybe i spoiled myself taking a vacation from people, and now it's over and I'm back in there."
[jendoodle]|23:31 jenrexrode says, "I went to an employee development thing today, and it's was crawling with people.  the literal manifestation of what I'm already imagining is happening"
[jendoodle]|23:32 boucher says, "If it persists, maybe something else would make you happier.  I don't know what your job is or what you are forced to do.  Sometimes, as adults, we do have to endure things that we don't want to, but if there's a possible alternative that would still allow you to live a decent life that'd make you happier, maybe it's time to consider a change of lifestyle."
[jendoodle]|23:32 boucher says, "I'm very bad at change, myself."
[lounge]|23:32 Ellison says, "heh"
[jendoodle]|23:33 boucher says, "I tend to wallow in misery rather than take chances."
[jendoodle]|23:33 boucher says, "But sometimes it's the leap that's necessary, if you really can't stand things anymore"
[lounge]|23:34 jenrexrode wanders off.
[lounge]|23:34 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]|23:35 nm says, "g'night MUD"
[lounge]|23:35 nm goes home.
[drwho]|23:35 boucher says, "Was it you who shared the victorian femme crossplay image?  I think it was."
[jendoodle]|23:35 jenrexrode says, "I am a loaf of bread for a hungry pack of ducks. they nibble at me all day, then I go home and regrow my crust."
[drwho]|23:35 DorianX says, "That doesn't sound familiar"
[drwho]|23:36 boucher says, "Hmm.."
[drwho]|23:36 boucher says, " http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6vdu32nou1r6qymio1_1280.jpg "
[drwho]|23:37 boucher says, "And, generally, have http://io9.com/5887847/gender+swapped-doctors-are-our-new-favorite-form-of-doctor-who "
[drwho]|23:37 boucher says, "This has apparently been a thing for a while now and I didn't notice."
[drwho]|23:38 boucher says, "To run down what I've learned, there are two schools.  There's crossplay, which is girls dressing (and binding themselves if necessary) to look as convincingly like a male Doctor as possible.  Then there's 'femme crossplay', which is a variant which exchanges trousers for a dress, adds frills, or whatever."
[drwho]|23:39 boucher says, "The first link is a sign of just how boring this has gotten to some people, as they went one further and decided to make Victorian variants on femme crossplay."
[drwho]|23:40 boucher says, "I am not even the sort of person who goes to cons, so decoding this subculture took me considerable effort."
[daily-show]|23:40 jenrexrode | #colbert Get your geography straight, Doctor Who.
[drwho]|23:41 boucher says, "One of the primary reasons I'm averse to a female Doctor is the semi-non-canon idea that a gender swap is the 'penalty' a Time Lord pays for suicide."
[drwho]|23:42 boucher says, "So even if it's never properly accepted in the TV series, I will always feel odd about a switch."
[drwho]|23:42 boucher says, "I forget what 'what-if' radio play introduced the idea, but it's now stuck in my mind."
[drwho]|23:44 boucher says, "And another is that I wouldn't be able to shake my Curse of Fatal Death memory, of Joanna Lumley."
[drwho]|23:45 boucher says, "(Though I still wouldn't mind a Jonathan Pryce Master or an either-Grant Doctor)"
[music]|23:46 Allen says, "good night. Had a 250 viol orchestra"
[music]|23:46 Allen says, "playing a Ralph Vaughan Williams fantasia based on a Tallis tune"
[music]|23:46 BrenBarn says, "that's a lot of viols"
[drwho]|23:46 boucher says, "Even a Rowan Atkinson Doctor.  Not sure about Broadbent."
[music]|23:46 Allen says, "it was pretty funny tuning."
[music]|23:46 inky asks, "why viols in streets?"
[music]|23:47 BrenBarn says, "because there were too many to fit in the music hall"
[music]|23:47 Allen says, "when the basses were tuning their low strings, Sarah, the conductor, stuck her arms out and was zooming around the conductor's stage like an airplane"
[drwho]|23:47 boucher says, "Maybe even him, come to think of it recently."
[music]|23:47 Allen says, "when everyone is tuning their low strings it sounds like a fleet of B-29s"
[drwho]|23:47 boucher says, "But I guess the era of the older Doctor is perhaps gone for good."
[music]|23:48 Allen says, "oh, and it poured down rain for 3 hours"
[music]|23:48 Allen says, "so we were all stuck in the main hall"
[drwho]|23:48 boucher says, "We need someone capable of running around crazily for a half hour, not an old man who ponders and is sometimes selfish and crotchety and stubborn, and doesn't play well with others."
[music]|23:48 Allen says, "there was much music-making"
[drwho]|23:49 boucher says, "And I'm a bit sad about that, even if it does mean the end of tedious 18-part episodes."
[lounge]|23:50 Miseri is very disappointed in you.  Earlier, he may have ransacked your office, but he is *very* disappointed in you.
[drwho]|23:51 K-Y says, "I like the idea that they just drag out to 18 parts because he sits there and refuses to do anything"
[headlines]|23:51 Allen | US Durable Goods Orders Fall Outside Aircraft
[drwho]|23:52 Jota says, "#belated I don't recall ever having heard about this penalty notion."
[headlines]|23:52 inky says, "look out below"
[drwho]|23:52 Jota says, "Also, I don't see any reason that running around crazily couldn't be combined with pondering and being selfish and crotchety and stubborn."
[lounge]|23:53 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|23:53 * Marktwo has connected.
[lounge]|23:53 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|23:53 * boucher has connected.
[drwho]|23:54 Jota asks, "Wasn't Tom Baker's Doctor selfish and crotchety and stubborn alternating with running around crazily?"
[lounge]|23:54 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|23:54 * Marktwo has connected.
[drwho]|23:55 Psmith says, "both Bakers, for that matter."
[drwho]|23:55 boucher says, " http://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/exile-367 "
[drwho]|23:56 boucher says, "The 4th Doctor got more crotchety as Tom Baker himself did, actually."
[drwho]|23:56 boucher says, "He was increasingly in a bad mood during the end of his role"
[drwho]|23:57 boucher says, "And 6 was an intentional attempt to reinject the feel of the 1st, that of an alien who wasn't always agreeable to human ideals."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:05 Allen |
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:05 Allen | Debbie Schlussel Rides The My Little Pony Of Bigotry
[lounge]|00:05 Doug says, "night"
[lounge]|00:05 Doug goes home.
[lounge]|00:06 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 5048 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Friday, 27 Jul 2012, 12:06:26 AM EDT
There is one new message on #alt/obits.
There is one new message on #games/computer/videogames.
There is one new message on #misc/places/Boston.
Rob says, "zblrt"
#153 [misc/places/Boston]          From: Ellison       Date: 26-Jul-12 16:02
Subject: lawyers for artists
There's this group in MA called Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts. They help artists with copyright law and whatever else. anyhow, it sounds like a good deal for people who might need it: http://www.artsandbusinesscouncil.org/programs/volunteer-lawyers-for-the-arts.html
#463 [alt/obits]                   From: Psmith        Date: 26-Jul-12 07:45
Subject: Mary Tamm, 62
Romana (first incarnation) in Doctor Who - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18995370
#394 [games/computer/videogames]   From: Gunther       Date: 26-Jul-12 03:08
Subject: FMV action fighty combat game thingamajig
http://www.stay-dead.com/stay-dead.html
Ellison says, "hey Rob"
[drwho] Rob says, "tom baker especially hated the costume change when JNT took over and wanted question marks to be part of the outfit"
[drwho] Rob says, "mary tamm??! oh nooo"
[apropos-of-nothing] boucher ry
jenrexrode says, "hey"
[drwho] Rob says, "lovely mary tamm, that makes me sad"
[drwho] Rob says, "I thought she was hale and hearty"
[apropos-of-nothing] boucher says, "Er, that was an odd typo"
Rob says, "yoff"
Recapping 11 of 11 lines from alt/obits:
[obits]/001 BrenBarn says, "hmmmm"
[obits]/002 BrenBarn says, "Sally Ride wasn't actually the first woman in space"
[obits]/003 BrenBarn says, "she was just the first American woman in space"
[obits]/004 maga says, "the sneaky way to say this is that she was the first female astronaut"
[obits]/005 vimes says, "heh"
[obits]/006 DorianX asks, "Hm. Was she the first gay person in space?"
[obits]/007 DorianX says, "I have this dim notion that one of the gemini astronauts may have turned out to be gay years later"
[obits]/008 DorianX says, "I guess the bright side is that Judith Resnik now gets to be remembered as the first Straight Female Astronaut"
[obits]/009 ghira says, "mary tamm (romana 1)"
[obits]/010 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Psmith has posted message 463, about 'Mary Tamm, 62', to the bulletin board!"
[obits]/011 zarf says, "aww"
Recapped 11 of 11 lines from alt/obits.
Recapping 154 of 202 lines from media/tv/drwho:
[drwho]/001 boucher says, "Extra-belatedly, I've gone in search of spoilers, so I definitely know who the next companion will be.  I'll give them a chance.  After all, I didn't think Billie Piper was going to be any good either."
[drwho]/002 boucher says, "Several of the coming episodes seem interesting, and I was confused by the trailer previewing the new season...I thought at first that it was for multiple episodes, but it appears it was all one episode."
[drwho]/003 boucher asks, "And, heh, I remember the scene from...I can't recall, was it Remembrance of the Daleks?"
[drwho]/004 boucher asks, "Where the Doctor first discovers they actually can climb stairs, and his face changes from one of superior mockery to surprise?"
[drwho]/005 ghira asks, "them being able to move around on metal in "dalek invasion of earth" was a bit of a surprise. did we find out why they didn't need the radio dishes on their backs the time after that?"
[drwho]/006 ghira says, "er move around not on metal I mean"
[drwho]/007 Rob asks, "they have radio dishes on their backs?"
[drwho]/008 ghira says, "they did in dalek invasion of earth"
[drwho]/009 ghira says, "to explain why they were able to move around on a non-metal surface iirc"
[drwho]/010 boucher says, "I don't think so, but...well, heck, mobile phones don't have external antennas anymore either, so I guess the Daleks just learned the art of efficient internalization of power transmission."
[drwho]/011 ghira says, "fair enough"
[drwho]/012 boucher says, "Except..."
[drwho]/013 Rob asks, "the series premier is an episode called Asylym of the Daleks?"
[drwho]/014 ghira says (to rob), "yes"
[drwho]/015 Rob says, "+e"
[drwho]/016 Rob says, "wow huh"
[drwho]/017 ghira says (to rob), "and the bbc was appealing for people with old dalek models to lend them to bbc for this ep"
[drwho]/018 boucher says, "Well, the Daleks never seemed to do anything for themselves.  I don't even know how they maintained their frames.  They seemed to need Davros for everything since the slight retcon that his introduction produces."
[drwho]/019 Rob says, "also that's .. an upsilon not a y, yeah that's it"
[drwho]/020 ghira says (to rob), "and of course you're not coming to london for the BFI premiere of it"
[drwho]/021 Rob says, "and various emperor daleks"
[drwho]/022 Rob says, "not unless a free ticket appears in my hand I guess not"
[drwho]/023 ghira says, "well I forgot to log on on first day they were on sale so I'm not going either"
[drwho]/024 boucher says, "And even more belatedly, there was a link to Victorian femme Doctor Who crossplayers earlier, and I'm shocked to know this is a relatively big thing now.  I mean, to the point where, just to be original, you have to add the 'Victorian' adjective, on top of everything else."
[drwho]/025 ghira asks, "well are we getting a return of the Victorian lesbian silurian detective in this season?"
[drwho]/026 boucher says, "I don't know...but that would be kinda cool."
[drwho]/027 boucher says, "I also kinda wanted to know more about the Battle Of Zarathustra."
[drwho]/028 Rob says, "victorian femme Doctor Who crossplayers"
[drwho]/029 Rob asks, "where's the link?"
[drwho]/030 ghira asks, "what is crossplaying? it's like cosplaying but different?"
[drwho]/031 Rob asks, "gender crossed?"
[drwho]/032 boucher says, "Yes, when I typed that, I felt a twinge of pain in my cumulative knowledge."
[drwho]/033 Rob says, "hee hee"
[drwho]/034 Rob says, "I went to a comic convention and there were two ladies, one dressed as 11th doctor and one dressed as tardis"
[drwho]/035 Limax says, "Heh"
[drwho]/036 Rob says, "she was a sexy thing"
[drwho]/037 ghira asks, "dressed as the Idris version of the tardis?"
[drwho]/038 boucher says, " http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6vdu32nou1r6qymio1_1280.jpg "
[drwho]/039 Limax asks, "Which one?"
[drwho]/040 Rob says, "nah, this was before that episode"
[drwho]/041 Rob says, "she was just dressed as the police box"
[drwho]/042 Rob says, "but was a very pretty girl"
[drwho]/043 Rob says, "so she made for a fetching tardis"
[drwho]/044 Rob says, "somewhere I can't find quickly I snapped a picture of her"
[drwho]/045 boucher says, "Victorian is self-explanatory, crossplaying is cosplaying as the opposite gender, femme is a subset of that which suggests that, rather than a woman merely dressing up in male drag and looking as accurate as possible, instead feminizes the appearance, adding high heels or frills or turning trousers into a dress or whatever."
[drwho]/046 ghira says, "I see."
[drwho]/047 boucher says, "And yes, this was hard-earned research, not something I just knew from being a part of the culture."
[drwho]/048 Rob says, "hm it's on my facebook but facebook won't let me download it and upload it again somewhere nicer to click on"
[drwho]/049 boucher says, "As I mentioned before, I'm the sort of person who will spend an hour trying to understand why a one-off political joke in a 30-year-old sketch comedy from a different country was hilarious to audiences of the time."
[drwho]/050 Rob says, "wait yes it does. processing..."
[drwho]/051 ghira says, "oh yeah I was going to look at that bit of NTCOCN and see if I recognised the person"
[drwho]/052 Limax says, "She is quite cute"
[drwho]/053 Rob says, " http://raddial.com/stuff/tardisgirl.jpg "
[drwho]/054 Rob asks, "so do they victorianize the doctor's wardrobe?"
[drwho]/055 ghira says, "well for first doc that would be doing nothing"
[drwho]/056 ghira says, "pretty much"
[drwho]/057 Rob spends awhile trying to suss out NTCOCN before giving up
[drwho]/058 boucher says, "'Hey baby, are you free for use of public?'"
[drwho]/059 Rob says (to ghira), "yeah"
[drwho]/060 ghira says (to rob), "not the nine-o-clock news"
[drwho]/061 Rob says, "oh right"
[drwho]/062 Limax says, "Bikini tardis"
[drwho]/063 ghira says (to rob), "which I got wrong anyway"
[drwho]/064 Rob says, "oh sure if it'd been NTNOCN I'd've gotten it, he says blithely"
[drwho]/065 ghira says, "undoubtedly"
[drwho]/066 boucher says, "Yeah, I asked in another channel if there was any significance to a brief clip in which a man is struggling and waving the peace sign as he's dragged onto a plane, to the strains of BA's 'We'll take good care of you' ad jingle"
[drwho]/067 boucher says, "Other than the irony of the song and his reluctance."
[drwho]/068 Limax says, "Someone thought it was significant enough to film"
[drwho]/069 ghira says, "season 3 ep 2. I made a note"
[drwho]/070 ghira says (to limax), "well they re-used other footage and changed the soundtrack"
[drwho]/071 Limax says, "Okay..."
[drwho]/072 Rob says, "I thought the bobby hat on the tardis costume was a nice finishing touch"
[drwho]/073 boucher says, "I imagine the man's identity didn't really matter, but I did wonder who he was."
[drwho]/074 Limax asks, "That was Fahtima's second episode?"
[drwho]/075 ghira says (to limax), "all the time. so, ok, footage of someone being dragged onto a plane existed"
[drwho]/076 Limax says, "I can't remember where the Doctor took Dr Jones"
[drwho]/077 Limax says, "At least not in the second episode"
[drwho]/078 boucher says, "Shakespeare"
[drwho]/079 Rob says, "I have totally lost touch with what you guys are talking about"
[drwho]/080 ghira says (to limax), "I was referring to the NTNOCN episode boucher had seen"
[drwho]/081 Limax says, "Oh.  Whoops"
[drwho]/082 boucher says, "But yes, I was tangentializing"
[drwho]/083 Limax says, "Silly me.  I missed the cross tangent"
[drwho]/084 ghira says, "NTNOCN news is a tricky one to suggest to people now. I guess the "best of" stuff works well enough even 30 years on"
[drwho]/085 Rob says, "oh ok I think that plus a little recapping explains enough context"
[drwho]/086 ghira says, "but to watch all of it you'd need footnotes, even if you were British"
[drwho]/087 Rob says, "there are jokes in old python episodes that are funny to me now that I never had the slightest chance of getting 27 years ago when I was seeing them the first time"
[drwho]/088 Rob says, "so it's like hey, new jokes in old episodes"
[drwho]/089 boucher says, "Talking about cosplaying led to me explaining the intricate terms the cosplaying culture has for various things which led to me explaining that I'm the sort of person who wants to understand irrelevant things even if it kills me which led to my mentioning wanting to understand an obscure joke from Not the Nine O'Clock News which led to discussing that."
[drwho]/090 Rob says, "I'll take 'em"
[drwho]/091 ghira says (to rob), "what sort of thing? Apart from U Thant, of course."
[drwho]/092 Rob says, "these days I sort of look for the sketches I didn't like very much back in the day to see if I get the jokes now and can laugh"
[drwho]/093 Rob says, "argh I'm forgetting again already what U Thant is all about"
[drwho]/094 ghira asks, "I take it you'#ve seen the python sketch from NTNOCN?"
[drwho]/095 Rob says, "hmmmm having trouble thinking of an example off the top of my head"
[drwho]/096 ghira says, "that IS essential viewing"
[drwho]/097 Rob says, "it's not the best one but, for example, the one about the scottish poet whos work is just about skinting a few bob out of anyone he can"
[drwho]/098 Rob says, "that's actually funnier to me now than it was then"
[drwho]/099 Rob says, "I haven't seen even one frame of NTNOCN in my life"
[drwho]/100 boucher says, "I've seen one other at least slightly Python-related sketch where John Cleese makes an entirely irrelevant cameo for a few seconds in a sketch, then disappears again."
[drwho]/101 ghira says (to rob), "well perhaps not but I think you'd appreciate their python sketch"
[drwho]/102 Rob says, "I just saw cleese for the first time in a while appearing in yet another advertisement"
[drwho]/103 ghira says, "which is definitely on youtube"
[drwho]/104 Rob says, "but it was authentically cleesian in performance and execution, so it was ok to see him shilling again"
[drwho]/105 boucher says, "FWIW, subtitles might be a bit annoying, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asUyK6JWt9U "
[drwho]/106 Rob says, "there's some gilliam quote where he mutters that cleese specializes in taking jobs where he makes a great deal of money for doing very very little work"
[drwho]/107 ghira says (to rob), "NTNOCN had a sketch about the fuss over "life of brian" and re-staged a TV interview about how terrible "life of brian was" as the same thing but about how shocking  a film called "life of python" was"
[drwho]/108 boucher says, "For contect, The Life of Brian had just come out, and there was some fuss about whether it was unnecessarily taking the piss out of...timing"
[drwho]/109 Rob says, "in the documentary on the life of brian disc there's both cleese and chapman basically painting the portrait of gilliam as a neanderthal"
[drwho]/110 Rob says, "chapman saying they were flying over the ocean, and gilliam pointed out the window and said, 'hey look guys, a whole bunch of water' "which just about tells you all you need to know" about terry gilliam"
[drwho]/111 Rob says, "cleese saying that he has only two modes: (gilliam imitation voice) 'that's really great' and 'that really pisses me off'"
[drwho]/112 Rob says, "I was thinking about all this while watching 'Lost in La Mancha' the other day"
[drwho]/113 Rob says, "in which, moreso than in previous viewings, I formed the impression of terry gilliam as being an unconscionable neanderthal clown who had giant boulders in his head, rather than mere rocks"
[drwho]/114 (from ghira) ..rob says "It was _real_ good"
[drwho]/115 Rob says, "hee hee"
[drwho]/116 Grocible says, "Mary Tamm has died"
[drwho]/117 baf asks, "So there are two Lalla Wards now?"
[drwho]/118 Grocible says, "the hospital didn't say whether she regenerated"
[drwho]/119 DorianX says, "Aw man."
[drwho]/120 DorianX says, " http://chzsetphaserstolol.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/sci-fi-fantasy-genderswapped-doctor-who.jpg "
[drwho]/121 DorianX says, "I still *really* do not like the idea of a female Doctor, and I really do not like people calling me sexist for that"
[drwho]/122 DorianX says, "But this picture is still pretty cool"
[drwho]/123 boucher says, "Was it you who shared the victorian femme crossplay image?  I think it was."
[drwho]/124 DorianX says, "That doesn't sound familiar"
[drwho]/125 boucher says, "Hmm.."
[drwho]/126 boucher says, " http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6vdu32nou1r6qymio1_1280.jpg "
[drwho]/127 boucher says, "And, generally, have http://io9.com/5887847/gender+swapped-doctors-are-our-new-favorite-form-of-doctor-who "
[drwho]/128 boucher says, "This has apparently been a thing for a while now and I didn't notice."
[drwho]/129 boucher says, "To run down what I've learned, there are two schools.  There's crossplay, which is girls dressing (and binding themselves if necessary) to look as convincingly like a male Doctor as possible.  Then there's 'femme crossplay', which is a variant which exchanges trousers for a dress, adds frills, or whatever."
[drwho]/130 boucher says, "The first link is a sign of just how boring this has gotten to some people, as they went one further and decided to make Victorian variants on femme crossplay."
[drwho]/131 boucher says, "I am not even the sort of person who goes to cons, so decoding this subculture took me considerable effort."
[drwho]/132 boucher says, "One of the primary reasons I'm averse to a female Doctor is the semi-non-canon idea that a gender swap is the 'penalty' a Time Lord pays for suicide."
[drwho]/133 boucher says, "So even if it's never properly accepted in the TV series, I will always feel odd about a switch."
[drwho]/134 boucher says, "I forget what 'what-if' radio play introduced the idea, but it's now stuck in my mind."
[drwho]/135 boucher says, "And another is that I wouldn't be able to shake my Curse of Fatal Death memory, of Joanna Lumley."
[drwho]/136 boucher says, "(Though I still wouldn't mind a Jonathan Pryce Master or an either-Grant Doctor)"
[drwho]/137 boucher says, "Even a Rowan Atkinson Doctor.  Not sure about Broadbent."
[drwho]/138 boucher says, "Maybe even him, come to think of it recently."
[drwho]/139 boucher says, "But I guess the era of the older Doctor is perhaps gone for good."
[drwho]/140 boucher says, "We need someone capable of running around crazily for a half hour, not an old man who ponders and is sometimes selfish and crotchety and stubborn, and doesn't play well with others."
[drwho]/141 boucher says, "And I'm a bit sad about that, even if it does mean the end of tedious 18-part episodes."
[drwho]/142 K-Y says, "I like the idea that they just drag out to 18 parts because he sits there and refuses to do anything"
[drwho]/143 Jota says, "#belated I don't recall ever having heard about this penalty notion."
[drwho]/144 Jota says, "Also, I don't see any reason that running around crazily couldn't be combined with pondering and being selfish and crotchety and stubborn."
[drwho]/145 Jota asks, "Wasn't Tom Baker's Doctor selfish and crotchety and stubborn alternating with running around crazily?"
[drwho]/146 Psmith says, "both Bakers, for that matter."
[drwho]/147 boucher says, " http://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/exile-367 "
[drwho]/148 boucher says, "The 4th Doctor got more crotchety as Tom Baker himself did, actually."
[drwho]/149 boucher says, "He was increasingly in a bad mood during the end of his role"
[drwho]/150 boucher says, "And 6 was an intentional attempt to reinject the feel of the 1st, that of an alien who wasn't always agreeable to human ideals."
[drwho]/151 Rob says, "tom baker especially hated the costume change when JNT took over and wanted question marks to be part of the outfit"
[drwho]/152 Rob says, "mary tamm??! oh nooo"
[drwho]/153 Rob says, "lovely mary tamm, that makes me sad"
[drwho]/154 Rob says, "I thought she was hale and hearty"
Recapped 154 of 202 lines from media/tv/drwho.
ghira wakes
[apropos-of-nothing] boucher says, "I meant to say, 'Bring on the bigotronies'"
[obits] Rob says, "and only 62 arr"
[apropos-of-nothing] boucher says, "Also, bigotroni, which is a sort of prejudiced pasta."
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Rob says, "hallo ghira"
ghira says, "well hello there rob"
[drawing] Rob says, "#qman I went in another direction so I'm not going to use this page I don't think but it's so nice looking I have to share it with someone"
[drawing] Rob says, " http://whoistheqman.com/images/ch8_cover_colors_v1.pdf "
Rob says, "are you just getting up or is someone keeping you awake at all hours again"
ghira says, "just getting up this time"
jenrexrode asks, "and how much did it cost to get home?"
[drawing] K-Y says, "oho"
[drawing] K-Y says, "wow, the colors are Alex Ross-y"
ghira says, "i waited at work until 7 and took the minibus to the station, which is free"
[drawing] Rob says, "thanks !"
[drawing] Rob says, "it's always a strange gamble when I try to color things"
[drwho] boucher says, "As I've been rewatching Not The Nine-O'Clock News, I am reminded of a throwaway joke, timely though at the time, 'Following the sudden announcement of the proposed marriage between Doctor Who and his assistant Romana, comes a statement from Romana's mother to the press, saying that her daughter is definitely not in the "milky way."'"
[drawing] Rob says, "if I had more confidence I'd color the whole book but I think I'm going back to plain black and white"
[drawing] Rob says, "if I could color like alex ross does I'd be a happy skippy guy"
[drwho] Rob says, "yow"
[drwho] boucher says, "As Lalla Ward and Tom Baker were a couple at the time."
[drwho] Rob says, "most definitely"
[drwho] Rob says, "'we were so happy -- for a month' tom baker always says when asked about her"
[drwho] Rob says, "or about their marriage I should say"
[drwho] Rob says, "I've heard him say it on more than one occasion"
[drwho] Rob says, "now she's with dawkins"
[drawing] K-Y says, "he does use bright pink a lot"
[drawing] Rob says, "he knows his stuff"
[drawing] Rob says, "also uses photoreference whereas I just make it up all the time"
[drawing] Rob says, "this page originally started out with a violet purple wash over the whole thing"
[drawing] Rob says, "the pink and orange came at the last minute and then I made myself stop working on it"
[TV] ghira says (to rob), "did anyone give you a link to the NTNOCN "life of python" thing yesterday? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85khfwh_gX4 "
[TV] Rob says, "aha, thanks"
[drawing] K-Y says, "I don't really use photos but I think back to stuff I see in the day"
[drawing] K-Y says, "and I think 'I want to evoke what that looked like'"
[TV] Rob says, "ha ha this is great"
[drawing] Rob says, "yeah"
[TV] ghira says, "well yes, NTCOCN's high points are pretty good"
[drawing] K-Y says, "this week started with something evocative enough that I thought I could take it to completion"
[drawing] Rob says, "pamela anderson"
[drawing] K-Y says, "but all this packing and cleaning has stalled things out"
[drawing] K-Y says, "uh"
[TV] Rob says, "pamela anderson"
[drawing] Rob says, "er channel"
[TV] ghira says, "and rowan atkinson"
[TV] Rob says, "I know her only weirdly"
[TV] ghira asks, "as billy connoly's wife? as someone who became a psychotherapist?"
[TV] Rob says, "she was on saturday night live, sort of, for one season, but it was a season where a couple of castmembers stayed in the opening credits but were fired from the show after a couple of episodes"
[TV] Rob says, "so I saw her name and likeness every week for a television year but barely saw her do anything"
[TV] Rob says, "I think there was one weird sketch where she was saying sensible things but her breasts bounced up and down with a life of their own"
[drawing] K-Y says, "I hate linking these preliminaries all the time but this is what it looked like on Monday http://smallwhitehouse.org/gallery2/v/k-y/2012-07-23.jpg.html "
[TV] Rob says, "probably rather humiliating for someone who had a decent career going in britain for a while"
[drawing] Rob says, "I haven't seen what you're up to for a while so I'm keen to see"
[drawing] Rob says, "huh! very interesting"
[drawing] Rob says, "so what are you up to here"
[drawing] Rob asks, "oh, are you moving right now?"
[drawing] K-Y says, "yeah"
[drawing] Rob says, "yeah I think you should take this one another step forward"
[drawing] K-Y says, "well, not right this second"
[TV] Grocible says, "well those crazy australians"
[drawing] Rob says, "but end of month/beginning of next"
[drawing] K-Y says, "yes"
[drawing] Rob says, "so what are you aiming for in this drawing"
[movie] Grocible says, "as for terry gilliam, holly's wanted to do an exhibition and book and stuff for a long time now"
[movie] Grocible says, "so I guess she's drumming up interest"
[movie] Rob says, "oh, little holly from brazil"
[drawing] K-Y says, "the next layer on top is half-drawn, but it's like sliced halfway through both characters"
[movie] Grocible says, "yeah"
[movie] Grocible says, "my neighbour"
[movie] Rob asks, "really ??"
[movie] Grocible says, "yeah"
[movie] Grocible says, "she lives across the road"
[movie] Rob says, "well don't tell her I called her dad a neanderthal with boulders in his head"
[movie] Grocible says, "she lives in a building that was once a recording studio"
[movie] Rob says, "neat"
[movie] Grocible says, "where London Calling and Never Mind the Bollocks were recorded"
[movie] Rob says, "dang"
[drawing] K-Y says, "I've been throwing out a ton of private sketches to nail down the character designs enough that I can start a drawing strong without fussing about 'what does this part look like'"
Grocible says, "Douglas Adams' old flat is half a block away"
[movie] Grocible says, "sort of between the two"
[drawing] Rob says, "if I'd sketched something like this I'd treat it like pencils and ink it over again more cleanly"
[drawing] K-Y says, "this is the first one that started out with sufficient confidence that I want to take it forward"
[drawing] Rob says, "I dunno whether you're equipped to do that. like with a lightboard or through some digital means"
[drawing] Rob says, "it is a bundle of potential, is how it looks to me"
[drawing] K-Y says, "I set it to 30% transparency and am drawing over it now"
[drawing] Rob says, "ok swell"
[drawing] Rob says, "if you're still not happy, repeat"
[TV] ghira says (to rob), "it's probably worth trying out some of the NTNOCN stuff you find on youtube: people have mostly uploaded the bits that are not now full of incomprehensible references to things no-one remembers any more"
[TV] Rob says, "yeah I'd do that except I don't have a computer that plays youtube videos without stuttering and halting"
[TV] Rob says, "hm maybe my ipad would work"
[drawing] K-Y says, "if this works out, I intend to make some character reference drawings"
Rob says, "how'd you meet holly gilliam"
[movie] (from boucher) Grocible says, "also I room with Paul McCartney and David Cameron and I got out drinking, and I have drinks with William Shakespeare, who can't hold his liquor at all...."
[drawing] Rob says, "good luck !"
[movie] Rob says, "yay"
[drawing] K-Y says, "thanks!"
[movie] Grocible says, "well, now that you mention it..."
[TV] ghira asks, "how did you manage to watch the python sketch just now?"
[movie] Grocible says, "I met both Holly and Amy through work"
[movie] Grocible says, "but one evening I was walking home from seeing Terry Gilliam's production of Berlioz's Faust"
[movie] Grocible says, "and was walking back withJennifer from the tube station"
[movie] Grocible says, "and this woman walks by and she's saying stuff like, 'Oh, and Michael Palin was there!'"
[movie] Grocible says, "and I'm like - hey - it's Holly Gilliam"
[movie] Grocible says, "(she was on the phone)"
[movie] Grocible says, "so when she got off the phone we had a lovely chat and that's where I learnt she was living in the ex studio building"
[TV] jenrexrode says, "wow, I'd never seen this Graham Chapman Memorial before"
[TV] Rob says, "I listened to the audio, and randomly waved my mouse in front of the window, each time updating the 'video' to a new still frame"
[TV] Rob says, "I have, but it's great"
[TV] Rob says, "I have some clips of it from a Life of Python documentary"
[movie] Rob asks, "how was that opera, anyway?"
[movie] Rob says, "also, wow. 'hullo, we're neighbors!'"
[celebrities] jenrexrode runs back Conan a couple of times to see him greet Ben Stiller.  It's like a little monkey climbing a tree.
[celebrities] Rob asks, "did ben stiller climb conan?"
[celebrities] Rob says, "what a weird sentence to type"
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[celebrities] jenrexrode says, "not really, but he has to ascend a couple of steps that Conan is at the top of, so it exagerates the height difference"
[celebrities] Rob says, "I guess ben stiller might not be all that tall"
[celebrities] Rob says, "his father is squat"
[movie] Grocible says, "it was fantastic"
[movie] Rob says, "oh, cool"
[movie] Grocible says, "I was really impressed"
[movie] Rob says, "I can imagine it having that distinctive gilliam production design"
[movie] Rob says, "I heard about it before it happened -- hm, then probably heard about it from you when you were planning to see it -- but don't remember hearing reactions after it opened"
[movie] Grocible says, " http://nkguy.com/temp/gilliam-faust/ "
[movie] Grocible says, "interestingly, the night we went was the night that was recorded"
[movie] Grocible says, "and the first night gilliam himself had seen it since it opened"
[movie] Grocible says, "at least, I have it on good authority that that was the case"
[movie] Rob asks, "huh is there a bbc dvd of the production?"
[celebrities] jenrexrode says, "Ben is coming out as a pescetarian"
[movie] Grocible says, "no"
[movie] Grocible says, "this was off iplayer"
[movie] Rob says, "what a night to be there"
[movie] Rob says, "aw"
[movie] Rob says, "well dang"
[celebrities] Rob says, "mm fish"
[movie] Rob says, "well it looks fantastic"
[movie] Rob says, "the fellow with the goatee and tall eraserhead hair kind of reminds me of gilliam himself"
[movie] Rob says, "it looks like he directed an opera like animating a brilliant cartoon"
[movie] Rob says, "for the least pejorative meaning of cartoon"
[movie] Grocible says, "yeah"
[movie] Grocible says, "the opera has these long stretches of just music"
[movie] Grocible says, "which traditionally pose a problem for staging"
[movie] Grocible says, "but meant gilliam could do his thing"
[movie] Hugo says, "Shit looks like some kind of high school play."
[movie] Rob says, "ha ha"
[movie] Rob says, "Hugo: the opera"
[movie] Hugo says, "Directed by PRINCIPAL MEPHISTOPHELES."
[movie] Rob says, "I wonder how many people terry gilliam has told to fuck off who have asked him if he wants to direct an animated movie"
[movie] Rob says, "seems like it's something he should just go ahead and do and do brilliantly"
[movie] Grocible says, "animation doesn't move him anymore"
[movie] Rob says, "I know"
[movie] Grocible says, "he's like,  "that was a different guy named Terry Gilliam""
[movie] Rob says, "that's why I imagine him having a visceral negative reaction"
[movie] Rob says, "but visual imagination can be unfettered by doing animation of whatever kind"
[movie] Rob says, "so it's like he's being proud and stubborn"
[movie] Hugo says, "Not too proud to get them Canadian tax dollars!"
<Petrosilius> Petrosilius has connected to ifMUD.
Jota turns into a slimy toad!
</Jota> Thunder rumbles quietly overhead. Jota is gone.
Petrosilius arrives from the east.
jenrexrode says, "hi"
[movie] Rob says, "he already draws all the movie he makes in storyboards, he could just hand them to suboordinate artists and oversee making it move"
Petrosilius says, "Heya."
[apropos-of-nothing] BrenBarn says, "walking to the laundry room I overheard someone in another apartment say 'I didn't tell him I didn't love him, I just told him, whatever, that he's a great person and everything'"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "aw"
[apropos-of-nothing] vimes says, "aw"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "#apropos-of-nothing where does 'where does babby come from?' come from"
[apropos-of-nothing] vimes says, "i hope you shouted "I DON'T LOVE YOU EITHER""
[apropos-of-nothing] BrenBarn says, "it's from a yahoo answers question"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "I hope he shouted 'MILK!!!!'"
[apropos-of-nothing] vimes says, "and then "BUT YOU'RE A GREAT PERSON TOO""
[apropos-of-nothing] BrenBarn says, "heh"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "I was randomly wondering that earlier today"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "I was driving somewhere and laughing at 'where does babby come from'"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "oh! I remember why"
[apropos-of-nothing] BrenBarn asks, "actually I wonder what's up because it came from the apartment next to me where some guy lives with girlfriend, I wonder if it was her talking about him and they broke up?"
[apropos-of-nothing] BrenBarn says, "also you realize it's 'how is babby formed'"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "I passed a guy who was panhandling at a highway intersection"
boucher goes home.
boucher has disconnected.
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "who had a sign that was incomprehensibly illiterate for the most part"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "he spelled baby as 'baybe', like maybe"
boucher's the DJ, Ellison's the rapper.
[apropos-of-nothing] BrenBarn says, "heh"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "and I was thinking 'baby is really hard to misspell. who misspells "baby"?' and that led to etc"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "oh, how is babby formed, right. I was aware I was misremembering the quote but couldn't reconstruct the right version"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "so I thought 'well if I see brenbarn tonight and remember this I'll ask him'"
[apropos-of-nothing] boucher says, "Maybe a baybe is a potential baby."
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "so I'm feeling plummy right now because it all worked out"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "hee hee"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "maybe baybe, I'll have yeehuhoo"
[apropos-of-nothing] BrenBarn says, "heh"
[apropos-of-nothing] BrenBarn says, "how is plummy formed"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "this reminds me it's time to play guitar"
Rob says, "a boucher-Ellison DJ-MC session would be fun to hear"
Rob says, "anyway, time to goof off"
[apropos-of-nothing] BrenBarn says, "also you should check out the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll-lia-FEIY "
Rob says, "gnight all"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "ok"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.