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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob, fake_Robb_Sherwin
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this."
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday maxporter!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder, Sarcasm Detector, Gene Ray
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, small, DorianX, Ryan, GDorn, jpt, vimes, Bishop, Dave, Jon, Allen, Otis, ctmiller, baf, marc, Matthew, vaporware, zaphod, Psmith, annabianca, genericgeekgirl, borowski, McMartin, Whizzard, Fang, Marktwo, Steve, zarf, inky, Jota, ghira, lpsmith, Gunther, Gerynar, Johnny, DavidW, Firion, olethros, Hugo, Doug, K-Y, Grocible, boucher, Miseri, jenrexrode, mamster
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 978 of 3251 lines from recent channels:
[stevejobs]/11:51 Steve says, "Found another place in WA with an interesting posting, but their job site is full of SAP errors, so that's fun"
[stevejobs]|11:53 Steve says, "It seems like your choice for this big HR crap is either SAP or Peoplesoft and they are both tied for the dirt-worst thing ever"
[stevejobs]|11:54 Iain asks, "Is SAP Standard And Poor? Or something else?"
[stevejobs]|11:54 Iain says, "I always wondered why they don't call themselves Superior And Awesome."
[stevejobs]|11:55 Steve says, "It's German"
[stevejobs]|11:55 Steve says, "And it's something like SystemAplikationProgram or something"
[stevejobs]|11:56 Steve says, "Systeme, Anwendungen und Produkte in der Datenverarbeitung"
[stevejobs]|11:57 Iain says, "No more generic than International Business Machines, I guess."
[stevejobs]|11:57 Iain says, "Or Microsoft or Infocom."
[stevejobs]|11:57 Steve says, "Not as good as 3M"
[stevejobs]|11:57 Steve says, "Which I recall is like Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing"
[stevejobs]|11:58 Iain says, "Yep"
[stevejobs]|11:58 Iain says, "There's an Omnicom, which is a pretty awesome name"
[stevejobs]|11:58 Steve says, "Yeah, too bad the Master Control Program has so much power there, though"
[whiz-games]|11:59 Whizzard stretches.
[stevejobs]|11:59 Iain says, "Heh"
[whiz-games]|11:59 Whizzard says, "Robble."
[stevejobs]|11:59 Iain says, "Yay, Omnicom Media Group"
[lounge]|12:01 inky is a CN mercenary who will do pretty much anything for the right price (20 gp/day)
[lounge]|12:01 inky says, "good morning"
[lounge]|12:01 vimes says, "hink"
[lounge]|12:01 Iain says (to inky), "You better not be just saying that"
[lounge]|12:01 Iain says, "It was a good morning over here as it happens."
[lounge]|12:01 Tale enders. Dammit!
[tale]|12:02 Tale says, "So, let me tell you a story."
[stevejobs]|12:02 Steve says, "inky"
[stevejobs]|12:02 Steve says, "Whoops, meant to lounge that"
[lounge]|12:02 Steve says, "inky"
[tale]|12:02 Tale says, "About two weeks ago, I started feeling sick. Nothing serious; Slight fever. I thought I had caught a bladder infection or something."
[java-sux]|12:03 Jon says, "well, it took ugly use of the reflection API, but I am successfully working with array types in SQL."
[tale]|12:03 Tale says, "Over the course of the week, the symptoms became more severe and unusual, and I mentioned this a time or two at work."
[java-sux]|12:03 inky says, "huzzah"
[java-sux]|12:03 Jon says, "despite the connection-pooling library's best efforts."
[lounge]|12:03 inky says (to Iain), "well, I came in to a server blowup at work, but then it turned out it had already been resolved"
[lounge]|12:03 inky says, "so I guess that is a good morning"
[tale]|12:04 Tale says, "Last week, I finally decided to see the doctor because I became worried, and saw him on Thursday."
[tale]|12:04 Tale says, "He gave me sick leave for 2 (thursday and friday)."
[lounge]|12:04 Iain says, "Not bad"
[tale]|12:04 Tale says, "Oh, what's important, 2 others from my department are on vacation."
[stevejobs]|12:05 Steve says, "Huh, this employment app has an "Internet Presence" category"
[tale]|12:05 Tale says, "So, today my boss tells me I have been sick without good reason and let everyone down."
[tale]|12:05 Iain says, "wtff"
[tale]|12:05 genericgeekgirl says, "Hmpf."
[stevejobs]|12:05 boucher says, "Belatedly, as I said in #drwho and #movie, I love David Warner."
[stevejobs]|12:05 Steve says, "Where you're supposed to put like your Social Network addresses, home page, blog, etc"
[tale]|12:05 Tale says, "Without asking why I was out, just assuming it was the ususal trouble (stomach, etc.)"
[stevejobs]|12:05 Steve says, "That seems a little weird"
[tale]|12:05 Iain asks, "But you have an actual doctor's note?"
[stevejobs]|12:05 inky asks, "is this a generic app for all positions?"
[tale]|12:05 Tale says, "Yes"
[stevejobs]|12:05 inky says, "because for marketing or whatever I could see doing it"
[tale]|12:06 Johnny says (to Iain), "Doktoren Notische."
[tale]|12:06 Tale says, "And not even letting me say one fucking word in my defense"
[stevejobs]|12:06 inky says, "otherwise it just seems like it could only hurt you to include that stuff"
[tale]|12:06 Johnny says (to Iain), "Okay, I'm making that up."
[stevejobs]|12:06 boucher says, "Haven't you heard?  Employers now want to scan your brain for any subversive thoughts."
[stevejobs]|12:06 Steve says, "Yeah, it's in their ridiculous SAP form"
[tale]|12:06 Iain says, "Well that's either rude and stupid, or actually malicious."
[stevejobs]|12:06 boucher says, "I mean, want access to all your blogs."
[stevejobs]|12:06 Steve says, "I just left it blank"
[tale]|12:06 Iain says, "You need a new boss."
[tale]|12:07 Tale says, "Then saying, basically, I should man up or reduce my hours."
[stevejobs]|12:07 boucher says, "Seriously, some even want passwords, so they can access your private stuff that you only share with friends."
[lounge]|12:07 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[tale]|12:07 Tale says, "I think for the first time I in my adult life I was literally shaking with rage."
[lounge]|12:07 Jota arrives from the east.
[stevejobs]|12:07 boucher says, "It's getting awfully invasive."
[lounge]|12:07 Jota greets.
[movie]|12:08 Matthew says, "Null and Void would be a good title for a spy buddy movie."
[tale]|12:09 Tale says (to johnny), "Krankenschein, Krankmeldung, informally "gelber Schein""
[lounge]|12:09 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Jota"
[tale]|12:10 Johnny says, "I just remembered Krankenschwester is nurse."
[tale]|12:10 Tale says, "Yeah"
[jobs]|12:10 Matthew says, "My interview for the new editor's job is tomorrow."
[stevejobs]|12:11 Iain says, "I thought it was established recently that you can't ask for employee's passwords."
[drwho]|12:11 boucher discovers the title of the second proper episode of the season, facepalms.
[craft]|12:11 Jota asks, "Y'know the old principle (I think originally stated by Zarf?) that if there's a tedious and unfun way to brute-force a puzzle without figuring out the clever solution, your players will A) do so, and B) consider your puzzle tedious and unfun as a result?"
[jobs]|12:11 Matthew says, "The big question now being:  SHOULD I WEAR A SUIT."
[tale]|12:11 Johnny asks, "So, did you pop him?"
[craft]|12:11 Jota says, "I have just seen the first person puzzler version of it."
[stevejobs]|12:11 Iain asks, "And presumably can't discriminate against people who refuse to give passwords?"
[drwho]|12:11 Jon asks, "ooh, season. When's that start?"
[drwho]|12:11 Johnny asks, "Let's Kill Hitler Again?"
[drwho]|12:11 boucher says, "Bad Pertwee memories, go away"
[drwho]|12:11 boucher says, "August the unknownth."
[jobs]|12:11 vimes says, "my general feeling is that it's never wrong to wear a suit for professional office-type jobs"
[jobs]|12:11 Iain says, "Usually the advice is to dress one step more formal than the job would likely involve."
[jobs]|12:11 vimes says, "job interviews"
[jobs]|12:12 Iain says, "If it's a button-down-shirt kind of office, wear a tie."
[craft]|12:12 Jota says, "If you give your players access to too many cubes, they will find a way to stack them in order to climb up to places bypassing your puzzles, and then complain that your game has too much cube stacking in it."
[jobs]|12:12 Matthew says, "Well, the reason it's a Big Question is that it seems kind of silly wearing a suit to an interview at a company I'm already working at."
[jobs]|12:12 inky says, "hmm"
[jobs]|12:12 Iain says, "If it's a jeans and t-shirt office, wear slacks."
[jobs]|12:12 Matthew says, "If it were a job anywhere else, yeah, I would totally wear a suit.  No question."
[jobs]|12:12 zarf says, "if the developers are wearing chain mail, go for scale male. Full plate is usually too much."
[jobs]|12:12 inky says, "in that case, dress half a step more formal"
[jobs]|12:12 Iain says (to zarf), "Yay"
[jobs]|12:12 Matthew asks (of inky), "So half a bow tie?"
[jobs]|12:12 inky says, "like wear a suit jacket but no pants"
[jobs]|12:13 vimes says (to inky), "yay"
[jobs]|12:13 Jota asks (of inky), "Wear a tie, but only as a headband?"
[jobs]|12:13 Matthew asks (of inky), "Well, I don't usually wear pants anyway, so maybe I should just skip the underwear tomorrow?"
[jobs]|12:13 Iain says, "But don't wear anything so formal that it'll make you uncomfortable."
[jobs]|12:13 Iain says, "Like don't wear a wedding dress."
[jobs]|12:13 vimes says, "go with a Two-Fce style - left side, tuxedo; right side, prison jumpsuit"
[jobs]|12:13 Jota says, "It must be tricky to interview for a job at a nudist resort."
[jobs]|12:13 Iain says, "Ha"
[jobs]|12:13 Matthew says (to Iain), "I'll just check that off my list, then."
[jobs]|12:14 vimes says (to Jota), "wear a designer fannypack"
[craft]|12:14 inky says, "yeah I can see that"
[jobs]|12:14 Iain asks (of Matthew), "Are you being interviewed by people who know you?"
[jobs]|12:14 Matthew says (to Iain), "Yeah."
[jobs]|12:14 Iain says, "If so it does seem like you don't need to be crazy formal."
[jobs]|12:14 Iain says, "Just make a slight extra effort, not zero effort."
[tale]|12:14 Tale says, "Her, and no."
[jobs]|12:15 Matthew says, "I'll shave tomorrow, how about that."
[jobs]|12:15 (from vimes) Matthew says, "well, my legs, anyway."
[jobs]|12:15 Matthew says (to vimes), "Well, if I'm not wearing pants, that makes sense."
[jobs]|12:15 vimes says (to Matthew), "you never wear pants!"
[jobs]|12:15 Iain says, "This is all sounding good."
[tale]|12:15 Tale says, "When she said "Looks to me you can't cope with the stress" I was this close to saying "No, I can't cope with the fact you're an asshole";, though"
[craft]|12:15 Hjalfi says, "Depressingly, I have just discovered a tedious and brute force way to sidestep a puzzle in my game."
[tale]|12:16 Iain says, "Bah."
[craft]|12:16 vimes says (to hjalfi), "if you clue it properly, it will become the primary way to solve the puzzle, and then people will sidestep the puzzle using the intended elegant solution instead"
[tale]|12:16 Iain says, "There are plenty of workplaces where they try to help people avoid that kind of stress."
[craft]|12:16 Hjalfi exclaims, "Ah, metaplaying!"
[craft]|12:17 Iain says, "That is actually a good idea."
[craft]|12:17 Iain says, "Have an NPC say 'well, I *guess* we could just try all 480 combinations...'"
[lounge]|12:17 dfabulich leaves ifMUD without any non sequiturs at all.
[craft]|12:18 Hjalfi says, "I have just noticed that most of my puzzles involve interacting with NPCs with random behaviour. So it's entirely possible that they'll set up a solution, then one NPC will run into another NPC and they'll disappear off into the sunset, requiring the player to rework their solution and try again."
[jobs]|12:18 Jon says, "ugh, this morning commute is taking forever."
[craft]|12:18 Hjalfi says, "That is not fun."
[craft]|12:18 vimes says, "for instance, i just implemented a way to win my introcomp entry that involves going in an invalid direction 37 times"
[jobs]|12:18 (from Matthew) Jon says, "it's a long way from the bedroom to the kitchen on work-at-home days"
[craft]|12:18 Hjalfi asks, "Er... awesome?"
[lounge]|12:18 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|12:18 ghira says, "meep"
[jobs]|12:18 Jon says (to Matthew), "no, this is serious! I'm going to miss breakfast!"
[jobs]|12:18 Matthew exclaims, "!!!!!!!!!!!!"
[craft]|12:18 vimes says, "mostly out of spite for someone who sent me a transcript where they tried a couple of things, got bitchy, and tried to go every direction five or ten times each"
[craft]|12:19 vimes says, "then gave up"
[jobs]|12:19 Matthew says (to Jon), "I live vicariously through every single one of your food photos.  THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING, NOT TODAY."
[jobs]|12:19 vimes says, "tomorrow would be fine, since you'll be feasting on the blood of your coworkers, but NOT TODAY"
[craft]|12:20 Tale says (to vimes), "To be honest, I was looking for an exit out of that first room, too"
[craft]|12:20 Tale says, "But I would've been fine with apropos error messages"
[jobs]|12:20 vimes says (to Tale), "yeah, i also added an apropos error message"
[craft]|12:21 inky says (to Hjalfi), "wait, that's not a brute force way to bypass the solution"
[jobs]|12:21 vimes says, ""It looks like you'll need to find some other way to leave.  This is like the waiting room from hell.  Er, limbo.""
[jobs]|12:21 vimes says, "er, ilac"
[craft]|12:21 vimes says, "yeah, i also added an apropos error message"
[craft]|12:21 vimes says, ""It looks like you'll need to find some other way to leave.  This is like the waiting room from hell.  Er, limbo.""
[craft]|12:22 vimes says, "then, if you keep it up: "No, seriously, maybe look around the room for something you could use?""
[movie]|12:22 * Otis has left the channel.
[craft]|12:23 vimes says, "then after a while it ends the story saying "You spend a very long time bumping into walls.""
[drwho]|12:23 Gunther says, "let me guess, ".*? of the Daleks""
[drwho]|12:24 ghira says, "I think i heard one of the first few is "dinosaurs on a spaceship""
[drwho]|12:24 ghira says, "which, enh"
[drwho]|12:24 borowski says, "The Planet of the Season Premiere of the Daleks."
[tech]|12:24 Matthew says, "I don't care if it IS OpenGL, this is a dumb slogan:"
[tech]|12:24 Matthew | It Takes a Village to Raise a Specification
[tech]|12:25 vimes says, "ha ha what the heck"
[craft]|12:25 Tale says, "haha"
[drwho]|12:26 Gunther says, "only off by one episode"
[drwho]|12:27 Gunther says, "I'm facepalming at episode 3 more"
[drwho]|12:32 Gunther says, "has anyone seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z6yJXQlVLE& "
[lounge]|12:32 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|12:32 * borowski has connected.
[drwho]|12:34 Hjalfi exclaims, "My god! The beards!"
[drwho]|12:35 Gunther says, "SPOILER they're the enemy"
[lounge]|12:35 Richie says, "Dinnertime!"
[lounge]|12:35 Richie says, "Bye"
[lounge]|12:35 Richie ambles off.
[lounge]|12:35 lpsmith never once has suggested that Doc is one of those charging bears that you play the violin for in cartoons?
[lounge]|12:36 genericgeekgirl says, "hi lps"
[lounge]|12:42 Gunther says, "CSB"
[lounge]|12:42 Gunther, Geoffrey, and Shamino all represented various aspects of Garriott: his ego, his ego, and his ego, respectively
[whiz-games]|12:43 Whizzard says, "Haha, ah, G's logoff kills me."
[lounge]|12:44 olethros was sworn in by robed priests on Thursday morning.
[lounge]|12:44 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[lounge]|12:46 Gunther apparently summons the Ruins of Old Magincia onto the Town of New Magincia, crushing everyone beneath piles of completely inexplicable towers.
[lounge]|12:52 Hugo, porn, Hugo, porn, Hugo.
[headlines]|12:57 Gunther | When will America wake up to gun violence?
[lounge]|12:57 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Hugo"
[headlines]|12:57 Gunther says, "I assume some people do that dail... oh"
[squirrels]|12:57 ghira says, "there is some _serious_ eating going on outsied"
[squirrels]|12:57 inky says, "ha ha"
[squirrels]|12:57 ghira says, "in stereo"
[headlines]|12:57 Iain says, "Ouch"
[squirrels]|12:58 annabianca says, "squi^2"
[squirrels]|12:58 ghira says, "we put a pile of peanuts in their shells outside and two squirrels are working their way through the pile"
[headlines]|12:58 Tale says, "One of the victims escaped a shooting in Toronto a few months earlier"
[whiz-games]|12:59 Whizzard says (to G), "Nice logoff."
[whiz-games]|12:59 Gunther says, "thanks"
[squirrels]|13:00 ghira says, "there are disconcerting crunching noises coming from outside"
[hedgehog]|13:01 ghira says, "and apparently hedgehogs in stereo yesterday evening"
[squirrels]|13:01 inky says, "maybe one squirrel is eating another squirrel"
[squirrels]|13:01 ghira says, "maybe they ordered the lobster"
[cabal]|13:01 Iain says, "I really hope I never meet hackbod in person"
[cabal]|13:01 Iain says, "I've never seen anyone so frequently unhelpful on mailing lists"
[cabal]|13:02 Hugo says, "Ha."
[cabal]|13:02 Iain says, "'Hey, how do I do X?' 'OMG DON'T DO THAT YOU MORON'"
[cabal]|13:02 Hugo says, "There is a bit of Programmer's Attitude in its purest form, for sure."
[cabal]|13:02 Iain says, "JBQ seems like a fun guy, though. Even if he does complain all the time."
[programming]|13:03 Jon | http://theprofoundprogrammer.com/post/27838653646/text-how-the-fuck-could-this-have-ever-worked
[programming]|13:04 Gunther |  niggapleaseeee liked this
[vim]|13:05 Fang says, "oh, I see vim has changed the label to the save button"
[vim]|13:06 vimes asks, "huh, there's a save button?"
[vim]|13:06 Fang says, "to an arrow pointing into a safe"
[programming]|13:06 Hjalfi says, "YES THIS. http://theprofoundprogrammer.com/post/27662679253/text-javascript-photograph-of-once-beautiful "
[vim]|13:06 Fang says, "er, gvim"
[programming]|13:07 Gunther says, "lie"
[vim]|13:07 vimes says, "ah, set guioptions-=T saves me from that"
[programming]|13:08 Jon says, "now, see, I'd label that C++."
[vim]|13:08 vimes says, "which i set in my vimrc so long ago that it apperas to have petrified"
[programming]|13:08 Gunther says, "THIS one. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m632fnBCrL1rzupqxo1_500.png "
[programming]|13:08 Jon says, "(For Java, I'd just have that gold star with the text 'You tried.')"
[programming]|13:09 Gunther says, "also he is wrong wrongity WRONG about braces and that invalidates everything else."
[whiz-games]|13:09 Whizzard says, "Oh, FFS."
[programming]|13:09 Gunther says (to Jon), "I would agree if you said "Java EE""
[whiz-games]|13:09 Whizzard says, "Looks like the new Russian fleet makes torpedoes and rockets even MORE worthless."
[programming]|13:09 vimes says, "also tabs, spaces, it's all good AS LONG AS YOU NEVER MIX THEM YOU FUCKS"
[vim]|13:09 Fang asks, "?"
[vim]|13:10 Fang asks, "what does that do?"
[vim]|13:10 vimes says, "removes the toolbar"
[programming]|13:10 Gunther says, "any good IDE will auto-transform them"
[vim]|13:10 vimes says, "so i don't see these 'icons' you speak of"
[vim]|13:10 Fang says, "ah heh"
[whiz-games]|13:10 Whizzard says, "I wish I could figure out what mystical powers Spartan Games ascribes to them."
[vim]|13:10 Fang says, "I like the toolbar"
[vim]|13:10 Fang says, "I don't like this change though"
[vim]|13:10 Fang says, "because, for one, it isn't even consistent"
[whiz-games]|13:10 Whizzard says, "Because they seem to think they're waaaay better than any of their players do."
[hardware]|13:10 K-Y says, "arrgh, coffee in the keyboard"
[whiz-games]|13:10 Gunther says, "torpedoes were shit in WW2"
[whiz-games]|13:10 Gunther says, "they're only adapting"
[vim]|13:10 Fang says, "the problem is that floppy disks are used for 'save' elsewhere"
[programming]|13:10 vimes says, "sure, but then you have commits which are nothing but "fix joe's fuckass mixing of tabs and spaces""
[whiz-games]|13:11 Whizzard says, "The game's closer to WWI, really."
[programming]|13:11 Gunther says, "not if you have a company-wide Eclipse profile"
[whiz-games]|13:11 Whizzard says, "With some random hi-tech stuff."
[whiz-games]|13:11 Whizzard says, "Regardless, though. I hate making a bunch of worthless attack rolls."
[programming]|13:11 Jon says, "or a git precommit"
[vim]|13:11 Binder says, "wtf is a floppy disk"
[programming]|13:11 Gunther says, "or brass knuckles"
[programming]|13:12 vimes says, "brass knuckles are the best way to go"
[programming]|13:12 vimes says, "precommits and eclipse profiles require cooperation"
[programming]|13:12 vimes says, "whereas brass knuckles just require incapacitation"
[whiz-games]|13:12 Whizzard says, ""There we go, I got lucky and inflicted 9 hits." "Well, my Ack Ack cancels 3 of that and my shields cancel 2 more, so you don't hurt me.""
[vim]|13:12 vimes says, "poorly-spelled has-been porn star"
[whiz-games]|13:12 Gunther asks, "what about the other 4?"
[vim]|13:12 vimes says, "(someone had to make that joke this decade)"
[whiz-games]|13:13 Whizzard says, "You have to pass a threshold of hits to do damage, and a higher threshold to inflict a crit."
[whiz-games]|13:13 Whizzard says, "So, if the target has a DR 5 and a CR 7, you need 5 hits to hurt it, 7 to inflict a crit."
[whiz-games]|13:14 Gunther says, "oh"
[whiz-games]|13:14 Gunther says, "weak"
[whiz-games]|13:15 Whizzard says, "The Russians now have jammers that can redirect part of a rocket attack (or torpedo attack, if they have that kind of jammer) against a different target within 8"."
[vim]|13:15 Binder says (to vimes), "I'm just proud to have been present for this historical moment."
[whiz-games]|13:15 Gunther asks, "are they using the Games Workshop method of balancing?"
[whiz-games]|13:16 Gunther says, "(just keep breaking it all)"
[whiz-games]|13:16 Whizzard says, "So, let's say they have a rocket jammer (3), they can take 3 dice of my 7 dice attack and aim it at another of their units, or even one of my own units if it's within 8"."
[whiz-games]|13:16 Whizzard says, "I dunno if it's broken or not, but they have a lot more "cool" than the original 4 factions."
[whiz-games]|13:17 Gunther says, "that sounds pretty crummy"
[whiz-games]|13:17 Whizzard says, "Well, it's really only token, since 7 dice of rockets is about as useful as a condom in the Vatican anyway."
[whiz-games]|13:17 Whizzard says, "It's more the insult to injury."
[whiz-games]|13:19 Whizzard says, "You need like 13 dice of rockets before anyone starts to care."
[whiz-games]|13:19 Whizzard says, "And of course, the Russians will now just break that up into 2 small, shitty attacks."
[programming]|13:20 Hjalfi says, "Brass knuckles just do subdual damage."
[lounge]|13:20 Hjalfi says, "Offtime."
[lounge]|13:20 Hjalfi enthusiastically mundanifies between spasms of personality-occultism and off-topic casual/social-leveraging.
[whiz-games]|13:20 Whizzard says, "Then you add in their ablative armor, and it's easy to see that rockets and torpedoes are fucking totally worthless against them."
[vimesical]|13:23 vimes says, "so one of the victims at the shooting is someone my sister knows and my cousin knows well"
[vimesical]|13:24 inky says, "erf"
[vimesical]|13:24 vimes says, "she was shot several times, including one slug or pellet that entered her head through her sinuses and passed through her brain, lodging in her skull at the other side"
[Europe]|13:24 ghira says, "I see spain and italy have banned short selling."
[vimesical]|13:25 vimes says, "here's the crazy thing: she was apparently born with a minor brain abnormality whose only result was that she had a fluid-filled channel through her brain, basically exactly the diameter of the slug, right where the slug entered"
[vimesical]|13:25 vimes says, "the slug followed that channel, doing essentially no damage to actual brain matter, all the way through"
[vimesical]|13:25 vimes says, "(and it's not a perfectly straight channel, either)"
[vimesical]|13:25 inky says, "bwuh"
[vimesical]|13:26 vimes says, "the doctor was *flabbergasted*"
[vimesical]|13:26 Iain says, "Wow"
[vimesical]|13:26 Gunther asks, "so she's alright?"
[vimesical]|13:26 vimes says, "well, she got shot in a bunch of other places"
[vimesical]|13:26 Gunther says, "well, 'as the circumstances allow'"
[vimesical]|13:26 Matthew recaps.  "Man."
[vimesical]|13:26 Gunther says, "as we say in medicine when we don't want to say anything"
[vimesical]|13:26 vimes says, "but yes, no brain or spinal cord damage, no neurological dysfunction"
[vimesical]|13:26 Iain says, "Wow"
[vimesical]|13:27 Gunther says, "that is the craziest thing I've heard in a long time"
[vimesical]|13:27 Iain says, "I said that already but I thought it beared repeating"
[vimesical]|13:27 vimes says, "(that they can detect at this point - there's still the possibility of secondary infection due to the commingling of brain and sinus tissue, bone fragment damage, et cetera)"
[vimesical]|13:27 vimes says, "but she's standing up and walking and talking and can see clearly out of both eyes"
[vimesical]|13:28 * annabianca has joined the channel.
[vimesical]|13:28 vimes says, "(and then sitting the fuck back down, because the force of the bullet passing through her sinus apparently did some hopefully temporary damage to her inner ears)"
[vimesical]|13:28 Iain asks, "Was her brain abnormality already known about?"
[vimesical]|13:28 vimes says, "they had a record of it from when she had a scan done when she got a bean or something stuck in her nose"
[vimesical]|13:28 vimes says, "(like, ten years ago)"
[food]|13:28 Doug | http://picky-palate.com/2011/01/06/oreo-stuffed-chocolate-chip-cookies/
[vimesical]|13:29 vimes says, "they said "huh, there's a weird little gap in your brain there", basically"
[food]|13:29 Gunther says, "eew"
[vimesical]|13:29 Iain says, "Well, the next time the doctors find somebody with that, they can point out that it might have a useful function."
[vimesical]|13:29 vimes says, "ha ha"
[whiz-games]|13:30 Whizzard says, "(Ablative armor means that you can't deal normal damage to a Russian ship until you've inflicted a crit.)"
[vimesical]|13:30 vimes says, "the doctor said basically that he had never seen so little damage to the brain in a brain-penetrating injury case, ever"
[vimesical]|13:31 Iain says, "I wonder if Oliver Sacks would be interested in this."
[vimesical]|13:31 Iain says, "But maybe not if there's no damage (not to make him sound evil or anything)"
[vimesical]|13:31 vimes says, "heh"
[vimesical]|13:31 Gunther says, "certainly the Freakonomics guys wil"
[TV]|13:31 ghira boggles. Alphas was _renewed_?
[vimesical]|13:31 Gunther says, "l"
[vimesical]|13:31 Iain says, "But, you know, if anyone can write it up in a tasteful and informative way it's Sacks."
[whiz-games]|13:32 Gunther asks, "do you not have any other weapons?"
[whiz-games]|13:32 Whizzard says, "Oh, there's always standard gun turrets."
[whiz-games]|13:33 Whizzard says, "They're always better than rockets/torpedoes unless your ship is fairly damaged."
[whiz-games]|13:33 Whizzard says, "The only good thing about R/Ts is that their attack value isn't reduced by damage you've taken."
[whiz-games]|13:34 Whizzard says, "Generally makes them only good for finishing people off."
[montypython]|13:34 boucher says, "I have a running joke with a friend in which I try to claim I'm trying to quit referring to Monty Python."
[whiz-games]|13:34 Whizzard says, "It's just depressing to take the worst weapons in the game and make them worse."
[montypython]|13:34 Iain asks, "And he says 'no you're not'?"
[montypython]|13:34 boucher says, "Every time I 'fall off the wagon', I say dammit..."
[food]|13:35 baf asks, "Does 'oreo stuffed' mean 'stuffed in the manner of an oreo' or 'stuffed with oreos'?"
[food]|13:35 Gunther says, "the latter"
[montypython]|13:35 boucher says, "Between Monty Python and The Simpsons, I think I'm broken."
[montypython]|13:35 Iain asks, "Have you seen Father Ted?"
[montypython]|13:35 boucher says, "Okay, never mind all the various memes I pick up from 4chan and other sources."
[montypython]|13:35 Iain says, "That's another quote goldmine."
[montypython]|13:36 Gunther says (to Iain), "FECK"
[montypython]|13:36 boucher says, "Yes...occasionally I slip into that too"
[montypython]|13:36 boucher says, "Heh"
[montypython]|13:36 boucher says, "Someday, in the future, perhaps after a little dementia, I'll only be able to speak in quotes."
[montypython]|13:36 Gunther says, "the trick with MPFC is to pick the quotes nobody knows"
[montypython]|13:37 Iain says, "You could still be a great writer. All Shakepeare's writing is just strings of well-known sayings."
[montypython]|13:37 Iain says, "Er, Shakespeare's."
[montypython]|13:37 boucher says, "'Are you alright Mr. Boucher?'  ' I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay, I sleep all night and I work all day!'"
[montypython]|13:38 Gunther says, "like "That tomato just ejected itself""
[lounge]|13:38 Iain says, "Home time."
[lounge]|13:38 Iain leaps astride a mountain pony and gallops off bareback for reinforcements.
[montypython]|13:38 Gunther says, "'As you can see, Mr. Boucher appears to have lost his memory and far from being interested in safer food is now convinced that he is Clodagh Rogers the young girl singer'"
[montypython]|13:38 boucher says, "I still want a car that can save my tomatoes."
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:38 Doug | Let me make this clear. As Wikipedia points out at this precise moment in time, Homo sapiens is technically defined as  the species to which Carl Linnaeus belonged.
[montypython]|13:39 boucher says, "You see, another thing I say to friends is 'You see, the brain cells that held that trivia could have been used for something useful.  But no, they're occupied remembering the complete scripts of Monty Python.'"
[montypython]|13:40 boucher says, "Someday when I forget something absolutely vital to my continued existence, my dying words will be a Monty Python reference."
[lounge]|13:42 Johnny does like justice, but that's taking it a bit far.
[depression]|13:42 boucher asks, "Also, on a more serious note...have I ever mentioned that I think I have a diagnosis for what is wrong with me?"
[montypython]|13:42 Ryan says, ""a surface wound.....""
[stevejobs]|13:42 Steve asks, "OK, so you have me upload a resume, and then I have to type in all of my employment history etc anyway?"
[montypython]|13:42 Ryan says, "Or flesh rather, man I suck at this."
[montypython]|13:42 Gunther says, "Shut up, you American. You Americans, all you do is talk, and talk, and say "let me tell you something" and "I just wanna say." Well, you're dead now, so shut up."
[depression]|13:42 boucher says, "It's not really proper for the mentally ill to diagnose themselves, but...I found something online, and it resonated unusually well with me."
[montypython]|13:43 Gunther says (to boucher), "just try not to get thrown out of a balloon"
[depression]|13:44 boucher says, "A particular emotional coldness and shyness (which I've really been working on...ifMUD is a sort of therapy, if you will), and a general indifference towards intimacy and romantic relationships."
[depression]|13:44 boucher says, "Schizoid Personality Disorder"
[depression]|13:44 boucher says, "Despite the name, it doesn't really have much to do with schizophrenia"
[depression]|13:45 boucher says, "And indeed, I hear it's to be decanonized as a proper diagnosis in the DSM, to be replaced by a more general category of issues..."
[depression]|13:45 boucher says, "But it still matches me at least somewhat closely."
[depression]|13:46 boucher says, "Unfortunately, while ifMUD allows me to share my deeper thoughts, it doesn't really afford physical intimacy, which I still have a particular desire to avoid."
[depression]|13:47 lpsmith says, "That sounds like a good step in the right direction."
[depression]|13:48 boucher says, "I figure I'd have to go...well, somewhere, and actually meat actual people in person, then spend more time with them, and then find some physical attraction that exceeds my aversion, then continue to see them until I feel ready for a physical relationship, in order to overcome my other issue."
[depression]|13:48 lpsmith says, "Also, now I'm imagining one of those scenes when two people chatting online reach out and touch their computer screens."
[depression]|13:48 ghira says (to boucher), "while I mostly hate it, you might enjoy "Loyal to the Group of Seventeen's Story" in Wolfe's "The Book of the New Sun". (someone who communicates entirely by quotes)"
[depression]|13:49 boucher says, "I know people live perfectly happy lives being asexual and generally happy to just know each other, which I can do, but I feel a little odd for not being 'normal' in that area."
[depression]|13:49 ghira says, "(er to clarify I mostly hate the book. this story is an exception)"
[resume-writing]|13:49 Steve says, "#idiot I continually am writing cover letters and then not saving a copy for later recycling"
[depression]|13:51 boucher says, "Also, the fact that I'm talking on this channel is an admission that I'm *not* happy.  At least not yet.  I wish I had something to live for, and for some, that something seems to be love, which I just can't bring myself to understand in the way others seem to naturally feel it."
[depression]|13:51 boucher says, "I can enjoy others' company.  I can feel bad when they feel bad.  I can feel happy when they feel happy.  I can be with them and crave their company."
[depression]|13:52 boucher says, "But I'm not sure I can love."
[depression]|13:52 boucher says, "And even if I'm not capable of that, I need something to keep me going, to propel me forward through the bad times, and I've not found that yet."
[depression]|13:53 boucher says, "On the other hand, sometimes I feel lucky.  I know a lot of people who are miserable because they can love, and yet nobody seems to love them."
[depression]|13:55 boucher says, "I've had people on the verge of suicide because of it.  So...it seems a mixed bag.  Perhaps Tennyson was full of crap."
[depression]|13:57 boucher says, "Better to have never loved and never lost, than to have felt lost and hopeless and killed yourself."
[depression]|13:59 lpsmith says, "Hmm."
[depression]|13:59 lpsmith says, "I can say that I value the lost loves in my life, but probably because I also have some kept loves to fall back on."
[stevejobs]|14:05 Steve asks, "In asking for compensation, is it advisable to give a higher number and let them talk you down, or just give a real number and be firm on it?"
[Italian]|14:05 ghira says, "oh FFS http://www.corriere.it/cronache/12_luglio_18/complessita-numeri-primi-gasperetti_f68f40c2-d09a-11e1-bab4-ef0963e166ba.shtml "
[Italian]|14:06 ghira says, "maths textbooks are confusing because e.g. "angolo" commonly means "corner" but in maths textbooks means something else. sheesh."
[stevejobs]|14:08 inky says, "well, you can usually give a range instead of a single number"
[stevejobs]|14:09 Gunther says, "100,000 plus, for example"
[hardware]|14:09 Gunther says (to DorianX), "pinggg"
[stevejobs]|14:10 inky says, "and I would not make the bottom of the range any lower than what you would really accpet"
[stevejobs]|14:11 ghira asks, "if you give a range why wouldn't they offer you the bottom of it?"
[stevejobs]|14:11 Steve says, "Still finding places to shoot resumes at.  Just found something in Boston that looks pretty good."
[stevejobs]|14:12 inky says (to ghira), "because you don't have to take the job"
[stevejobs]|14:13 ghira asks, "no you don't, but in that case shouldn't you have quoted a higher minimum?"
[stevejobs]|14:14 inky says, "yeah, but you might be interviewing with another company that you also quoted this range to"
[stevejobs]|14:14 inky says, "or you might in practice quote an absolute minimum that you'd take the job for but you'd come in grumbling about being shafted"
[stevejobs]|14:14 Steve says, "See, these negotiation things I am totally uncomfortable with.  I mean, I know I have to do it, but geez"
[stevejobs]|14:15 inky says, "if you want to read a bunch of stuff, this has a bunch of stuff: http://www.askamanager.org/category/salary "
[stevejobs]|14:16 Steve says, "A bunch of stuff, you say?  Count me in!"
[stevejobs]|14:29 Steve says, "Boy, I have no idea where anything in Boston is, but looking at the map for this place where I applied, I guess it's in 'Downtown', and I suppose you can pretty much guess what comes with that territory"
[stevejobs]|14:32 ghira asks, "trendy wine bars?"
[fourcoffees]|14:32 Gunther says, "oh god I just had a 3-minute paroxysm of laughter"
[stevejobs]|14:33 ghira says, "but seriously.. er... no. public transport would be my best real guess"
[fourcoffees]|14:33 markm asks, "Someone said Netbeans was better than Eclipse?"
[fourcoffees]|14:33 Gunther says, "heh"
[fourcoffees]|14:33 Gunther says, "no, there's this woodworker forum my brother visits"
[fourcoffees]|14:33 Gunther says, "and he linked me to a thread about someone asking how to dismantle his old bed"
[fourcoffees]|14:34 Gunther says, "and the guy seemed kinda clueless from just reading the thread, but if you're not registered you don't see images"
[fourcoffees]|14:34 Gunther says, "and he posted images of his ... progress"
[fourcoffees]|14:34 Gunther says, "and those triggered three minutes of completely uncontrollable, howling laughter"
[fourcoffees]|14:35 markm asks, "Was an axe involved?"
[fourcoffees]|14:35 Gunther says, "YES"
[fourcoffees]|14:36 Gunther says, "YES THERE WAS"
[personals]|14:36 BrenBarn | You should message me ifyour wave function is not collapsed.
[fourcoffees]|14:36 markm says, "yay"
[personals]|14:36 BrenBarn asks, "does that mean we should simultaneously message her and not message her?"
[fourcoffees]|14:36 Gunther says, "the most ridiculous axe known to man"
[fourcoffees]|14:36 markm says, "then you really experience a /paraxysm/ of laughter."
[fourcoffees]|14:36 Gunther says, "hang on as I reupload"
[fourcoffees]|14:36 markm says, "experienced"
[fourcoffees]|14:36 Gunther says, "heh"
[fourcoffees]|14:37 Gunther says, " http://imgur.com/a/xZUvI/all "
[resume-writing]|14:38 * borowski has joined the channel.
[fourcoffees]|14:38 markm says, "I guess he stripped the screws."
[fourcoffees]|14:38 ghira says, "I am impressed. Someone less handy than me."
[fourcoffees]|14:40 Gunther says, "too dumb to use a screwdriver"
[fourcoffees]|14:40 Gunther says, "too dumb to just push one corner until it breaks by itself"
[smoochies]|14:42 Dave says, "so"
[smoochies]|14:42 Dave says, "I'm getting a salad at Panera"
[smoochies]|14:42 Dave says, "and I get a table near the front and a woman, thirty-ish, very well dressed, has a seat nearby"
[smoochies]|14:43 Dave says, "I was tempted to say something, since she was alone and I didn't see a ring"
[smoochies]|14:43 Ryan says, "I hope this ends with "If you carrot all, lettuce have dinner.""
[smoochies]|14:43 Dave says, "and another woman shows up"
[smoochies]|14:43 Dave says, "I'm thinking, damn, you missed your shot"
[smoochies]|14:44 Dave says, "so I go back to reading on the iPad and mildly eavesdropping"
[smoochies]|14:44 Dave says, "and it sounds like a sales interview or something...I couldn't figure it out"
[smoochies]|14:45 Dave says, "but the second lady was asking personal questions and the first woman answered with, "Single mom, two young daughters, just moved to Chicago.""
[smoochies]|14:45 Dave says, "So at this point I take a closer look and really, this woman can't be more than 32 or 34 years old"
[smoochies]|14:45 Dave says, "and then she says, "Twice divorced""
[smoochies]|14:46 Dave asks, "huh?"
[geekiness]|14:46 genericgeekgirl says, "#tangent-from-smoochies Because women just love being chatted up by a stranger while they're trying to eat lunch."
[smoochies]|14:46 Dave says, "and she described how she was married twice in about 6 years"
[smoochies]|14:47 Dave says, "I considered introducing myself, but decided it was probably not a good idea"
[geekiness]|14:47 inky says, "Dave is a forward dude"
[smoochies]|14:47 Ryan says, "The pickup lines write themselves. "Hey, wanna make it a three-peat?""
[smoochies]|14:47 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[smoochies]|14:47 Dave says (to ryan), "I should bring you to lunch"
[smoochies]|14:48 BrenBarn says, "'No way!  I love getting divorced too!  We have so much in common!'"
[smoochies]|14:48 Dave says, "right"
[smoochies]|14:49 Ryan says, "Long story short, that's the way we all became the Cornelson Bunch."
[smoochies]|14:49 Dave says, "I was just going to go with, Hi, my name is Dave...I overheard you were a single mom and I thought, being a single dad, you may be interested in lunch sometime..."
[smoochies]|14:49 Dave says, "but I chickened out"
[programming]|14:52 Doug asks, "I have a coupon for a free O'Reilly ebook.  Any suggestions?"
[programming]|14:52 Gunther says, " http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596002442.do "
[programming]|14:53 Gunther says, "(note: dumbest O'Reilly book in existence. Do not actually buy)"
[programming]|14:54 Gerynar says, "I was looking through for a bad suggestion as well, got as far as VBA before Gunther's "suggestion" so I guess I won't try to be funny after all"
[lounge]|14:54 olethros was sworn in by robed priests on Thursday morning.
[lounge]|14:54 olethros says, "re"
[programming]|14:54 Doug says, "someone else suggested http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596526955.do "
[programming]|14:54 Gunther says, "bafflingly we have this book"
[programming]|14:54 inky says, "it seems like you should buy one that you are interested in"
[programming]|14:55 Gunther says, "As far as I know nobody has ever heard of BEEP, and nobody has ever used BEEP"
[tangent]|14:55 Nitku says, "There should be a scifi story about someone who is sent to observe lonely people whose waveform hasn't collapsed"
[programming]|14:55 Doug says, "I'm not sure what I'm interested in"
[tangent]|14:55 Gunther asks, "he looks at all the lonely people?"
[programming]|14:55 Doug asks, "is there a TADS 3 book?"
[tangent]|14:55 Fang says, "THE END"
[programming]|14:56 Hugo says, "I recommend:"
[programming]|14:56 Hugo | Android Threading: And Yet You Went And Did It Anyway
[programming]|14:58 McMartin says, "I haven't done any serious Android programming, but surely there's some equivalent to coroutines if not threads to handle long-running computations set off by UI elements"
[lounge]|15:00 Tale Dear Esther
[tangent]|15:00 BrenBarn says, "ha ha ha"
[videogames]|15:06 Jota says, "Let's Play videos are the best way to play I Wanna Be The Guy."
[videogames]|15:07 Gunther says, "if they're very heavily edited"
[videogames]|15:07 Gunther says, "or played by someone who's very very good"
[videogames]|15:07 Jota says (to Gunther), "Edited or not, good or not, they still beat actually playing the game yourself in every respect."
[music]|15:07 Gunther says, "well, this is certainly something else. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeooHiX4oH0 "
[videogames]|15:07 inky says, "let's play videos not played by someone very good are never the best way to play anything"
[videogames]|15:08 Jota asks (of inky), "Have you played I Wanna Be The Guy?"
[videogames]|15:08 Jota says, "(In this case, I Wanna Be The Guy Gaiden.)"
[videogames]|15:08 Gunther says, "I have not, and have, in not playing, won"
[videogames]|15:09 inky says, "yeah, it is possible that not playing would be the best way to play it"
[videogames]|15:10 McMartin says, "The best way to play IWBTG is to play Karoshi and Karoshi 2.0 instead"
[videogames]|15:10 McMartin says, "They're just as much pranks on the player, but they're also actually funny and don't overstay their welcome"
[videogames]|15:10 Steve says, "I think this how you make WOPR not nuke the Soviets"
[videogames]|15:10 Jota says, "The best part of this is the ability to fast forward."
[videogames]|15:10 McMartin says, "(The iOS/Android game is in the same series and by the same author but is an Actual Game)"
[videogames]|15:10 Fang says (to Steve), "nuking the americans, OTOH..."
[videogames]|15:10 Gunther says, "someone mentioned there's a single good LP of WWBTG:G which involves two Brits, but I've not found it"
[videogames]|15:11 McMartin says, "Also, unlike IWBTG, Karoshi doesn't crash constantly."
[videogames]|15:11 Gunther says, "er, IWBTG:G"
[videogames]|15:12 Jota says, "Also, being very good at IWBTB would imply having some severe sort of autism, which would not make for an entertaining LP."
[videogames]|15:12 McMartin says, "Just a map and frame-level precision, really."
[videogames]|15:12 Gunther says, "lots of recording and editing"
[videogames]|15:12 Gunther says, "+or"
[videogames]|15:13 Jota says (to Gunther), "But all the funny bits are when he's dying."
[videogames]|15:13 Gunther says, "well, you leave in one funny death each"
[lounge]|15:13 Emily arrives.
[videogames]|15:13 Gunther says, "taking 2 minutes to get past one spot is not amusing to me"
[videogames]|15:14 Gunther says, "YMMobviouslyV"
[lounge]|15:14 Grocible goes home.
[lounge]|15:14 * Grocible has disconnected.
[videogames]|15:14 Jota says (to Gunther), "You left off the 0."
[videogames]|15:20 Tale says, "Watching ZP is almost worse than tvtropes"
[videogames]|15:21 Gunther says, "there's a much limiteder number of ZPs"
[DustWorld]|15:22 DavidW says, "whew. Got bank, phone, and internet sorted out."
[videogames]|15:23 Jota says, "'jumpJUMP oh for ffjkdue:JK*&$h2kbf378*fb gonna go play an easy game, like frickin'... Super Meat Boy'"
[DustWorld]|15:24 DavidW says, "Bank has my new address and phone number. Bell will cancel my phone at the end of the month. Unhappily, Bell Sympatico has a 30-day from request policy, so my ISP account won't be cancelled until August 22nd."
[videogames]|15:24 Jota says, "(...is the last line of audio in this LP.)"
[DustWorld]|15:24 DavidW says, "And I'll receive a mailing label also on August 22nd as to where the modem should be shipped."
[videogames]|15:25 Gunther asks, "how is ffjkdue:JK*&$h2kbf378*fb pronounced?"
[videogames]|15:25 Gunther asks, "or is it subtitled?"
[videogames]|15:25 vimes says (to Gunther), ""lockenshire" or something, i imagine"
[videogames]|15:26 vimes says, "cf Deceased Crab's "bake sale!""
[space]|15:27 Gunther says, "here is a photo of a Japanese HTV-3 resupply craft"
[space]|15:27 Gunther says, " http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/12/jul/nansa.jpg "
[videogames]|15:30 Gunther says, "also, if you don't have anything to do for the next hours, http://criticalpathproject.com/ "
[DustWorld]|15:31 DavidW says, "oh, and as a spice note, our upstairs neighbours' place was broken into the other day."
[lounge]|15:32 olethros stretches
[Canada]|15:32 olethros says, "this greek restaurant was pretty ok"
[Canada]|15:32 Gunther asks, "operated by actual greeks?"
[Canada]|15:32 olethros says, "it had lots of traditional dishes"
[Canada]|15:33 olethros says (to Gunther), "no idea"
[Canada]|15:33 vimes says, "certainly people who have heard of greece, or at least the letters g, r, e, and c"
[Canada]|15:33 olethros says, "I am guessing the proprietor has some greek roots"
[Canada]|15:34 Gunther asks, "what, weren't you all "helas" and "efcharisto"?"
[Canada]|15:34 olethros says, "the waiters were all local"
[videogames]|15:35 Gunther says, "NO PLACE TO HIDEO"
[Canada]|15:35 olethros says, "ok, greek owner, italian che"
[Canada]|15:35 olethros says, "+f"
[lounge]|15:35 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|15:35 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[Canada]|15:36 olethros says, "they also had a few different greek cheeses and stuff, so yeah, worthwhile."
[lounge]|15:38 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[Canada]|15:39 olethros says, "so far, I think I like canada for the food. nom nom."
[videogames]|15:41 Jota says (to Gunther), "#belated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5xAAn8fmQA#t=37m41s "
[videogames]|15:42 Gunther says, "heh"
[videogames]|15:43 Gunther asks, "also, wow, is that the second screen after 37 minutes?"
[videogames]|15:43 Jota says, "He's still at the second savepoint, yeah."
[videogames]|15:43 Jota says, "It took him 20 minutes to reach that one."
[lounge]|15:44 Storme enters.
[lounge]|15:44 Storme says, "hi all"
[videogames]|15:44 Gunther says, "and I thought this U9 LP was horrendous"
[lounge]|15:44 Gerynar says, "Howdy"
[frowned-elitism]|15:45 Storme says, "Pez is playing Lost Odyssey"
[Canada]|15:45 olethros says, "better change the country name to canomnom"
[Canada]|15:45 olethros says, "hmmm also, so little traffic"
[frowned-elitism]|15:45 Storme says, "it's pretty decent"
[Canada]|15:45 olethros says, "(apparently)"
[Canada]|15:45 olethros says, "while only the other day, Adam (?) was complaining that he was enduring huge traffic jams"
[frowned-elitism]|15:45 Storme says, "but watching it reminds me that the actual gameplay experience was really not to my taste"
[frowned-elitism]|15:45 Storme says, "(even though the graphics and story are good)"
[videogames]|15:46 Jota asks, "U9?"
[videogames]|15:46 Alex says (to Jota), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that U9 is Ultima IX."
[videogames]|15:46 Jota says, "Ah."
[hair]|15:46 Storme says, "also I love my new hairstyle"
[hair]|15:47 olethros asks, "unicorn?"
[hair]|15:48 Storme says, "that would be pretty impressive, but alas"
[hair]|15:48 Storme says, "one side is cropped very short"
[music]|15:49 boucher says, "Man, a friend of mine sort of made me remember long-repressed memories of highschool band class"
[hair]|15:49 Storme says, "and the other side is past my jaw, and there's a lot of tapering and texturing and gradients and stuff between the two"
[music]|15:50 boucher says, "And of, as first of the first clarinet section, being asked to do the opening to Rhapsody in Blue, and nearly blowing it.  To make a pun."
[videogames]|15:50 Gunther says (to Jota), "a game that is absolutely the most incredible, in the original sense, trainwreck"
[hair]|15:50 Storme says, "it is ridiculously j-idol hair"
[videogames]|15:50 Gunther says, "a game that, even only by watching, you lose"
[hair]|15:52 Storme says, "(also the hairdresser was reasonably dubious until I stopped him and said 'no no, more layered' and then he visibly Got The Idea and looked delighted)"
[hair]|15:53 olethros says, "ah you are one of _those_ people"
[hair]|15:53 olethros asks, "how many hairdressers give up and tell you to cut your own damn hair?"
[hair]|15:53 Storme asks, "what people? a hipster?"
[hair]|15:53 Storme says, "oh, I WOULD cut my own hair if I could see the damned back"
[hair]|15:54 Storme says, "but usually I just miserably submit to the usual bob that the hairdressers apparently want to inflict on me"
[hair]|15:54 Gunther says, "I almost said "Oh hai, Cloud" until I realized"
[hair]|15:54 Storme says, "this time, however, I went 'if I want hair like a japanese boy, maybe I should go get my hair cut where they do'"
[hair]|15:54 Storme says, "so I did"
[hair]|15:55 Storme says, "and it turns out that this is indeed the way to do it"
[lounge]|15:55 * Hugo has disconnected.
[lounge]|15:55 * Hugo has connected.
[hair]|15:55 Gunther asks, "so, er... "oh hai, Vaan"?"
[hair]|15:55 Storme says, "plus, the hairdressers were *pretty*"
[hair]|15:55 Storme says, "I'm not sure whose fantasy I was in, but I assume someone I know has a fantasy about two pretty boys playing with their hair"
[hair]|15:56 Storme says, "(I was mostly just disconcerted by having two people cutting and drying my hair at once, but hey)"
[hair]|15:56 olethros says, "ha ha"
[hair]|15:56 Storme says, "anyway, yes, I have ridiculously hipsterish hair"
[videogames]|15:56 Gunther says, "this is the video to make McMartin's head explode: http://criticalpathproject.com/?v=38405048 "
[hair]|15:56 Storme says, "which I wear proudly with my fake glasses and my skinny jeans"
[hair]|15:58 Storme says, "(and why not? it means I grin in amusement at myself whenever I look at a mirror)"
[hair]|15:59 Storme says, "(and if I need to look more normal, there are eight hundred wigs in our spare room, I'm sure I can manage something)"
[videogames]|16:00 Jota says, "Maybe my brain is just weak from being sick today, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kiq3AqWhyM has made me laugh out loud."
[frowned-elitism]|16:00 Storme says, "(the dream segments are occasionally really moving and occasionally really boring)"
[videogames]|16:01 Gunther says, "I'm already laughing"
[videogames]|16:01 Gunther says, "also I see the top recommendation on the right is probably a must-see"
[videogames]|16:02 Jota says, "'Tractors are so slooow! I want a Corvette tractor or something.'"
[videogames]|16:02 Jota says, "My favorite bit so far is when he successfully acquires a car."
[videogames]|16:02 Jota asks (of Gunther), "Ayn Rand?"
[videogames]|16:02 Alex says (to Jota), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that Ayn Rand is the creator of John Galt."
[programming]|16:02 Doug says, "anyone have an opinion about this book?  http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920025252.do "
[videogames]|16:03 Gunther says (to Jota), "same guy playing Railworks 3"
[videogames]|16:03 Gunther says, "the game with the infamous $1500 of DLC"
[programming]|16:04 Gunther says, "I'm skeptical"
[programming]|16:04 Doug says, "looks like it might be pretty light"
[programming]|16:04 Gunther says, "sounds like someone compiled the tutorials from those websites"
[programming]|16:04 Doug says, "this is why I never really bother with O'Reilly books anyway"
[programming]|16:04 Gunther says, "my problem with this kind of book is that it's outdated 15 seconds after ordering"
[videogames]|16:05 Jota says, "Cool, I'll watch that after."
[programming]|16:05 Gunther says, "I'd get the regex book or something similarly useful"
[programming]|16:05 BrenBarn says, "it seems like in this day and age programming books are less and less useful"
[programming]|16:06 Gunther says, "personally, I'd get an Arduino book"
[programming]|16:06 Doug says, "hm, maybe Javascript: The Definitive Guide 6e.  1100 pages"
[programming]|16:06 Gunther says (to BrenBarn), "yeah"
[yay]|16:07 Storme says, "huzzah"
[programming]|16:07 Gunther | Make a Mind-Controlled Arduino Robot, 1st Edition
[programming]|16:07 Gunther says, "HELLS YEAH"
[programming]|16:07 Doug says, "most of my learning these days comes from reading github"
[yay]|16:07 Storme says, "I found someone's handbag on the tube and tracked her down to give it back to her"
[lounge]|16:08 Johnny insisted that the mobile hot-dog-on-a-bun did nothing wrong.
[lounge]|16:08 Johnny says, "Hi-lo"
[indie-games]|16:11 Johnny says, "I did not realize IWbtG:G would mean new LPs."
[indie-games]|16:11 Johnny says, "But of course it would."
[indie-games]|16:12 Gunther says, "trillions"
[lounge]|16:13 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[videogames]|16:14 Gunther says (to Jota), "this style of jumpcut will never stop being funny"
[yay]|16:15 Jota says, "Don't tell the police, or you could get arrested for aiding someone who deposited a suspicious parcel."
[yay]|16:16 olethros says, "hee"
[yay]|16:16 Storme says, "that is pretty much why we didn't hand it in"
[yay]|16:17 Storme says, "(it's RIGHT before the Olympics and it was on the tube line that terminates by the olympic site)"
[twitter]|16:17 Gunther | I can't believe they're canceling the Olympics? on account of finding a Pepsi in London this week :(
[yay]|16:18 Storme says, "I'd rather be nice and not get someone's handbag blown up"
[videogames]|16:18 olethros says, "ha"
[wedding]|16:19 Storme says, "just over two months left"
[videogames]|16:20 Gunther says, "wow, these physics"
[videogames]|16:20 Gunther says, "this is amazing"
[lounge]|16:21 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|16:21 * boucher has connected.
[twitter]|16:21 Steve asks, "Huh, so all those missile systems didn't even do their job, then?"
[wedding]|16:21 Storme says, "catering meeting next week"
[lounge]|16:22 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|16:22 * Marktwo has connected.
[wedding]|16:22 Storme says, "exciting times"
[lounge]|16:22 Jizaboz paddles away.
[wedding]|16:22 Storme says, "pez has her dress"
[programming]|16:23 Doug says, "or hm, Benjor's new book Team Geek"
[videogames]|16:24 Gunther says, "oh man, the ploughing"
[videogames]|16:32 Gunther says (to Jota), "you may also enjoy "Two Best Friends Play""
[yay]|16:33 Jota says, "I am already enjoying this Nerd^3 Railworks 3 video."
[yay]|16:33 Jota says, "Ilac."
[videogames]|16:33 Jota says, "I am already enjoying this Nerd^3 Railworks 3 video."
[videogames]|16:35 Gunther says, "TBFP is an entire series"
[lounge]|16:36 DavidW goes home.
[lounge]|16:36 * DavidW has disconnected.
[videogames]|16:43 olethros says, "there is also a platinum edition"
[lounge]|16:43 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[lounge]|16:44 olethros was sworn in by robed priests on Thursday morning.
[videogames]|16:44 olethros asks, "is it a german game?"
[videogames]|16:44 olethros says, "now I want a clerk simulator"
[videogames]|16:45 olethros says, "you can have cows too and produce die beste Milch des Landes"
[weather]|16:51 Fang says, "the nice thing about this room is the view of the sunset out from it"
[lounge]|16:53 DavidW materializes out from a silver haze in the light.
[lounge]|16:53 Storme was a still life lived on mobile phones.
[lounge]|16:53 * Storme has disconnected.
[lounge]|16:54 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[videogames]|16:55 Gunther says, "ha ha his lack of knowledge of trains is hilarious"
[videogames]|16:55 Gunther says, "it's almost as if red lights cause an automatic emergency brake"
[lounge]|16:56 olethros was sworn in by robed priests on Thursday morning.
[videogames]|16:57 Johnny asks, "Does anybody actually call turn-based strategy games TBSes?"
[pain]|17:00 Johnny says, "I burned the center of my palm with onion."
[videogames]|17:01 McMartin says, "You're more likely to see TBS as an adjective, IME."
[lounge]|17:02 Nitku leaves.
[pain]|17:02 Gunther asks, "...what?"
[pain]|17:03 Johnny says, "A grilled onion."
[videogames]|17:03 McMartin says, "#belated Super Meat Boy is in fact 'easier' than IWBTG in the same way it's easier than Limbo."
[videogames]|17:03 McMartin says, "That is to say, SMB never cheats about what things look like and is intended to be beatable."
[videogames]|17:10 McMartin asks, "Is this for your screenwriting software?"
[videogames]|17:10 McMartin says, "Arghbarglac"
[videogames]|17:11 borowski asks, "In that it's obvious in Super Meat Boy how to complete a level?"
[wedding]|17:12 * borowski has joined the channel.
[joy]|17:12 * borowski has joined the channel.
[pain]|17:12 * borowski has joined the channel.
[yay]|17:12 * borowski has joined the channel.
[videogames]|17:13 Johnny says, "There aren't any upfalling apples or silhouettes that look harmless."
[videogames]|17:13 Johnny says, "Also, those bear traps are bullshit."
[videogames]|17:14 lpsmith says, "Hmm, I never had any problems with Limbo."
[videogames]|17:14 borowski says, "I'm currently stuck in Limbo."
[videogames]|17:14 lpsmith says, "You learn by dying, and then you beat it."
[videogames]|17:15 Johnny says (to borowski), "Reload your previous save then get baptized."
[videogames]|17:15 lpsmith says, "ba-dum tish"
[videogames]|17:15 borowski says, "The key is probably something that I think is scenery but isn't ."
[videogames]|17:16 lpsmith says, "Yeah, there was a time or two when I had to look something up."
[videogames]|17:16 Fang asks, "how are you stuck?"
[videogames]|17:16 Fang asks, "well, where are you?"
[videogames]|17:16 borowski says, "I don't mind having to learn by dying. I feel like that's an expected part of platformers."
[lounge]|17:16 zarf says, "when Arkham City crashes is the hint to stop playing and do something else."
[videogames]|17:17 borowski says (to Fang), "I can't figure out the puzzle."
[videogames]|17:17 Fang asks, "want a hint?"
[videogames]|17:17 McMartin says, "There's at least one puzzle where if your reaction time is too fast the game tells you that the actual solution won't work."
[videogames]|17:17 Fang asks, "?"
[videogames]|17:18 borowski says, "Thanks, but I'll give it another go before taking a hint."
[videogames]|17:23 borowski says, "Hooray, I figured it out. Sometimes I find I just need to try again after taking a break."
[videogames]|17:23 borowski says, "#i-am-an-idiot And apparently I don't understand how water works."
[videogames]|17:24 McMartin says, "It kills you"
[videogames]|17:24 Fang says, "everything kills you"
[videogames]|17:24 McMartin says, "Videogame heroes are generally made of spun sugar"
[videogames]|17:24 inky says, "one of the great things about treasure adventure game was you would switch to your boat when you fell in water"
[videogames]|17:24 Fang says, "one day I want to play a platformer where you can fall on to spikes and survive"
[videogames]|17:25 inky says, "Mr Cheese"
[videogames]|17:25 Johnny says, "Pretend you're playing GTA3."
[videogames]|17:26 Johnny says, "I think in one of the Karoshi's there's (a) level(s) where spikes aren't deadly."
[videogames]|17:26 McMartin says, "Quite a few, actually"
[videogames]|17:26 Johnny says, "Well, there you go."
[videogames]|17:27 McMartin says, "My favorite being the one that are actually secretly happyfaces wearing party hats"
[videogames]|17:27 inky asks, "is that the level where you are trying to commit suicide?"
[videogames]|17:27 McMartin says, "That's *all* the levels in Karoshi"
[videogames]|17:27 inky says, "er, s/level/game"
[videogames]|17:27 McMartin says, "Yes"
[videogames]|17:27 Johnny says, "Yeah, as a Salaryman."
[videogames]|17:27 McMartin says, "The two PC games are basically pranks on the player"
[videogames]|17:27 McMartin says, "Masocore without the difficulty, more or less"
[videogames]|17:27 baf says, "The original Prince of Persia let you walk through spikes if you took it slow."
[videogames]|17:27 McMartin says, "Tomb Raider, too"
[videogames]|17:28 McMartin says, "There's a Karoshi game for iOS and Android that's more a straightforward lateral-thinking puzzle game"
[videogames]|17:28 McMartin says, "It's actually pretty good"
[videogames]|17:28 Johnny says, "Oh, also Braid."
[tasteless]|17:28 vaporware says, " http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/pirating-movies-saves-lives/ "
[news]|17:31 McMartin says, "Aw, Sally Ride died today"
[fallout]|17:33 Tale says, "New Vegas is one of those games where I don't want the best gun. I want the best looking one."
[fallout]|17:33 Johnny says, "Or you could install the Batman Costume mod and play without guns."
[fallout]|17:34 Johnny says, "All melee."
[videogames]|17:34 * Dave has left the channel.
[fallout]|17:34 inky says, "heh"
[tasteless]|17:34 DavidW says, "Good choice of channel."
[videogames]|17:34 inky says (to baf), "hunh, interesting"
[videogames]|17:35 Fang says, "huh, wonder why Dave left"
[videogames]|17:35 Johnny asks, "Karoshi spoilers?"
[fallout]|17:36 Tale says (to johnny), "Why would I use melee when I can use a .44 magnum? It's like giving me a lightsabre. Sure, Jedi Knight has laser rifles. I don't care! I have a lightsaber! </incoherent rant>"
[videogames]|17:38 McMartin says, "Heh"
[videogames]|17:38 McMartin says, "Unlikely"
[fallout]|17:38 Gunther asks, "there's a Batman mod?"
[lounge]|17:38 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]|17:38 * Gerynar has connected.
[fallout]|17:39 Johnny | http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/36068
[jobs]|17:40 Matthew says, "So I'm having real trouble with this freelance gig."
[jobs]|17:40 Matthew says, "It's even tougher than I thought it would be trying to come up with tech products every week that are geared toward actors."
[jobs]|17:40 Matthew says, "Or that can be spun as being useful to actors."
[jobs]|17:41 Johnny says, "This Week: A pager"
[research]|17:41 olethros says, "hee hee"
[research]|17:42 olethros says, "reviewers reject a paper saying 'you did not consider the noisy-channel case, such as for example used in [1]', where [1] is our own paper"
[jobs]|17:42 Gunther says, "iPad, iPad 2, iPad 3, iPhone, iPhone 2, iPhone 3, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPod, iPod Mini, iPod Nano... you're set for like half a year already"
[jobs]|17:42 borowski says, "Glasses that display the script."
[research]|17:42 olethros says, "(ok, 2 out of 3 authors are the same)"
[jobs]|17:43 vimes says, "a blunt cosh for negotiating artistic differences with producers"
[research]|17:43 lpsmith asks, "Usually [1] is the reviewer's paper, so good for the reviewer, I guess?"
[research]|17:44 vimes says, "i was hoping [1] was the paper under consideration"
[jobs]|17:45 Gunther says, "brass knuckles, again"
[research]|17:46 Fang says (to olethros), "maybe the third author of that paper is the reviewer, then"
[research]|17:47 olethros says, "no, I am the third author"
[research]|17:48 olethros says, "(the other two are K and her boss)"
[lounge]|17:50 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|17:50 * Hugo has disconnected.
[celebrities]|17:54 Gunther | Chad Ochocinco reverts to Chad Johnson in Fla. courthouse
[Olympics]|17:55 olethros says, "so g4s was trying to recruit part time workers for the olympics eh"
[Olympics]|17:55 olethros says, "I dont remember so many security measures and bag checks for the athens olympics"
[Olympics]|17:56 olethros says, "I dont think that people are even routinely checked in sports events..."
[Olympics]|17:56 olethros says, "(though there was a security check in disney world)"
[Olympics]|17:57 Gunther says, "but but TERROR"
[lounge]|17:57 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|17:57 * Tale has disconnected.
[news]|18:01 inky says, "I bet this is going to turn out to be fake: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/23/justice/nebraska-hate-crime/index.html "
[news]|18:02 Gunther says, "yes"
[vim]|18:04 vimes says, "huh, i hadn't realized rot13 was one of the vim verbs"
[vim]|18:04 vimes says, "(g?)"
[vim]|18:05 vimes says, "so, for instance, to rot13 the whole buffer: ggg?G"
[vim]|18:05 vimes says, "or mzggg?G`z if you want to go back to where you were"
[vim]|18:05 inky says, "ha ha"
[vim]|18:05 inky says, "vim is awesome"
[vim]|18:06 vimes says, "but be careful, because that's only a few characters off from 'summon the elder god to eat your eyeballs'"
[vim]|18:06 vimes says, "(available if vim was compiled with +shoggoth)"
[obits]|18:06 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Firion has posted message 461, about 'Sally Ride, 61', to the bulletin board!"
[lounge]|18:06 Firion enters, the words MUD LIFE freshly tattooed across his chest.
[obits]|18:08 Doug says, "aww"
[obits]|18:08 Doug asks, "did she get space cancer?"
[obits]|18:09 Firion says, "More like pancreatic cancer.  Quite painful I've heard."
[GerynarsAbode]|18:11 Gerynar is doing something a little scary...he's gonna try manually updating his wiki app
[people-suk]|18:11 Gunther says, "will DX ever learn that cheap shit is more expensive in the long run? Tune in next time to find out that nope, he won't."
[obits]|18:14 Doug says, "right, but maybe she got it from space."
[GerynarsAbode]|18:14 vimes says, "god go with you"
[GerynarsAbode]|18:15 Gerynar says, "well, backups are made"
[news]|18:20 McMartin | Hardheaded Socialism Makes Canada Richer Than U.S.
[news]|18:20 McMartin says, "I get the impression Bloomberg (formerly BusinessWeek) has decided to just start trolling"
[lounge]|18:21 RootShell flies into the lounge via TWA, losing his luggage 5 times in the process.
[lounge]|18:21 RootShell says, "Hello :)"
[google]|18:27 Johnny asks, "What happened to Scroogle?"
[google]|18:27 Johnny says, "scroogle.com goes to something called boobdex"
[google]|18:28 Johnny asks, "Was Scroogle *ever* scroogle.com?"
[google]|18:29 Psmith asks, "scroogle.org, no?"
[google]|18:29 vaporware asks, "Boobdex? Is that a breast-themed rotating contact filing system?"
[google]|18:29 Johnny says (to vaporware), "Think index"
[google]|18:30 vaporware says, "Maybe I'm thinking of the Areoladex."
[google]|18:30 Johnny says (to Psmith), "Looks like, but it's totally useless now."
[hardware]|18:30 DorianX says, "so I got a patriot Javelin"
[hardware]|18:30 DorianX says, "it appears you can't configure it without havign disks in it"
[lounge]|18:30 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|18:30 * Emily has disconnected.
[hardware]|18:32 Jon asks, "how is that not the name of a weapons platform?"
[hardware]|18:32 vaporware asks, "A hand-powered missile?"
[lounge]|18:33 RootShell http://www.ifreviews.org
[google]|18:33 Jon asks, "I forget, what was Scroogle? apart from sounding like something Doctorow would make up?"
[hardware]|18:33 vimes says, "the romans had some serious surface-to-air capability"
[google]|18:33 Psmith says, "an anonymised Google search interface."
[google]|18:34 Jon says, "ah."
[lounge]|18:34 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[google]|18:34 Jon asks, "I think all the people who care about that now use duckduckgo?"
[lounge]|18:34 olethros was sworn in by robed priests on Thursday morning.
[lounge]|18:36 Doug goes home.
[tangent]|18:36 K-Y says, "I once tried a price tracker for Amazon"
[tangent]|18:37 K-Y says, "the disadvantage was that they only start tracking an item when someone first looks it up"
[tangent]|18:39 K-Y says, "congratulations, you have started price tracking for the next NEVER people who will view this page"
[tangent]|18:39 inky says, "heh"
[tangent]|18:47 vimes says, "holy crap, i thought it was 'nelid' up until just now"
[dinner]|19:00 olethros says, "DINNER"
[lounge]|19:02 DorianX says, "I'm wiring a relay on an electric cord"
[lounge]|19:02 DorianX asks, "Which side do you put it on, the hot side or the not hot side?"
[kitties]|19:03 boucher says, "O'Kay came into my room again.  ~?"
[programming]|19:03 McMartin asks (of Hugo), "Where is that AND YET YOU WENT AND DID IT ANYWAY article?"
[programming]|19:03 McMartin says, "I can't find it online"
[lounge]|19:12 Hugo enters the lounge.
[lounge]|19:12 (From Hugo) Alex says (to Hugo), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that you are Hugo, and I claim my five cork nuts!"
[lounge]|19:13 Johnny says, "Hi Hugo"
[lounge]|19:13 Johnny says, "You can just pass your credit card over Alex's eyes."
[lounge]|19:14 Johnny says, "Deducts the cork nuts straight from your NutPal account."
[lounge]|19:14 Alex awwwks. "Want cork nut!"
[lounge]|19:14 Hugo says (to Alex), "Figures you can't do NFC.  Stupid bird."
[lounge]|19:14 Alex exclaims (at Hugo), "Awwwk! No parse found!"
[lounge]|19:15 McMartin asks, "Nut-Field Communication?"
[lounge]|19:15 McMartin asks, "Or Nut-Field (Cork)?"
[lounge]|19:16 Hugo says, "Ha."
[programming]|19:16 McMartin asks (of Hugo), "Do you have a link to that Android Threading article you mentioned (and yet you went and did it anyway)?"
[kitties]|19:17 boucher says, "Aw.  I leaned back in my chair and felt a furry backrest, which said meow."
[kitties]|19:17 Johnny says, "Hurry up and patent it."
[programming]|19:18 Hugo says, "Oh, sorry, that was me trying to be funny."
[kitties]|19:18 boucher says, "Reminds me of the time I sat on my aunt's bed, and when I got up, I saw a lump in the bedspread, which I tried to smooth out, and it meeped at me, and I discovered it was her cat."
[lounge]|19:18 Doug has arrived.
[lounge]|19:18 Doug waves.
[programming]|19:18 McMartin says, "Aw."
[lounge]|19:18 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|19:18 K-Y says, "re"
[programming]|19:19 Hugo says, "It sounds useful, doesn't it!"
[mozilla]|19:19 K-Y says, "I do not like that the bar now presumptively searches the start of a url"
[food]|19:19 Gerynar says, "why do apples and peanut butter go so well together"
[mozilla]|19:19 inky asks, "instead of anywhere within it?"
[mozilla]|19:20 K-Y says, "yes"
[programming]|19:20 boucher says, "I missed this joke, useful or otherwise."
[mozilla]|19:20 K-Y says, "I assume this is also a terrible feature from Chrome"
[programming]|19:20 boucher asks, "Where's Allen when you need him?"
[programming]|19:20 McMartin says, "Hugo referred to a (fictional) article named 'Android Threading: AND YET YOU WENT AND DID IT ANYWAY'"
[food]|19:20 zarf says, "fat and salt vs sugar and juice"
[food]|19:20 borowski says, "Say because peanut goes well with everything."
[programming]|19:21 boucher says, "Incidentally, I've become a huge fan of .NET tasking"
[food]|19:21 borowski says, "*I'd say"
[food]|19:21 borowski says, "Err, peanut butter."
[mozilla]|19:21 inky says, "weird"
[mozilla]|19:21 inky asks, "like, isn't that how it used to be?"
[mozilla]|19:21 K-Y says, "I don't remembe"
[mozilla]|19:21 K-Y says, "r"
[programming]|19:21 boucher says, "Nowadays, I make everything a task.  Draw something?  A task.  Write something to disk?  A task.  When I want to assign a value to a variable?  A task."
[food]|19:22 zarf says, "peanut butter doesn't exactly go with everything. It overwhelms a lot of things."
[programming]|19:22 boucher says, "I'm so threaded I could weave a suit."
[food]|19:22 Johnny says (to zarf), "Rendering said things edible."
[food]|19:22 Johnny says, "Like raisins."
[programming]|19:22 Doug says, "before reading context I thought you meant you put Draw Something on your to-do list"
[food]|19:23 borowski says, "I'm a little biased towards peanut butter."
[programming]|19:23 boucher says, "Well, that too could be a task."
[programming]|19:23 boucher says, "But I'd be playing multiple copies in parallel"
[programming]|19:23 inky says (to boucher), "well, threading isn't that hard if the thread doesn't have to interact with any other threads"
[lounge]|19:24 Grocible explores strange new rooms, seeks out new lounges and new conversations, and boldly goes where most ifMUDders have gone before.
[lounge]|19:24 Grocible says, "evening"
[lounge]|19:24 Johnny says, "Hi Groc"
[programming]|19:24 boucher says, "This is, of course, a consideration.  Also, the fact that the UI itself is not threadsafe, so I must ensure that any task that touches it either runs in main thread context or spawns yet *another* task which does."
[programming]|19:25 Hugo asks, "That's the norm for UI, though, isn't it?  Typically all UI has to be done on your main thread?"
[programming]|19:25 boucher says, "Also, I discovered that .NET tasks are somewhat unpredictable, and may fail to schedule themselves properly if there's a blocking operation."
[programming]|19:26 boucher says, "Yes, but I wish it were not so"
[programming]|19:26 McMartin says, "UI calls have to be done on the main thread or queued up somehow, but all *actual work* has to be done elsewhere."
[programming]|19:26 Hugo says, "And preferably by someone else."
[programming]|19:27 boucher says, "Yes, the correct way to multithread is to carefully partition everything between user-facing and background, and only pass messages between the two."
[programming]|19:27 boucher says, "But I catch myself being sloppy all the time"
[programming]|19:27 boucher says, "'I'll just change this textbox in this routine.'  Windows says no."
[lounge]|19:28 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|19:28 * borowski has connected.
[programming]|19:28 zarf says, "I went through this with iOS Glk"
[programming]|19:29 zarf says, "wrote a bunch of lazy threaded code. Months later, I realized the only cure was more cowbell I mean ripping it out and writing correct threaded code."
[programming]|19:29 McMartin says, "I wonder how many glue libraries are named Cowbell"
[programming]|19:29 McMartin says, "Since you always need more of it"
[programming]|19:30 zarf says, "for indeed there is the UI thread and the getting-work-done thread, and if they touch, it shall be like the matter and the antimatter"
[programming]|19:31 boucher says, "Even stickier are issues like the one I'm suffering with this very ifMUD client I wrote..."
[programming]|19:31 boucher says, "I'll attempt to quit, and it will hang."
[programming]|19:32 Johnny asks, "Does the text keep updating?"
[programming]|19:32 boucher says, "With threads waiting for things which will never happen, input which will never arrive, and loves which are lost forever.  Er, I mean data."
[programming]|19:32 Johnny says, "Because that's just extra goodness."
[programming]|19:33 boucher says, "The answer, of course, is to kill all threads with prejudice, but you never know if there's something important for them to wrap up."
[programming]|19:34 Johnny says, "Solution: Don't start anything important."
[dinner]|19:35 Johnny says, "Quesadillas, why not."
[programming]|19:35 boucher says, "I guess I should just maintain a List<Task> uselessTasksThatDeserveWhatTheyGet, and kill those, and leave the rest to do their business."
[programming]|19:35 McMartin says, "Ha ha"
[programming]|19:36 zarf says, "for a mud client, well, the one I actually wrote is single-threaded"
[programming]|19:37 boucher says, "I find network coding far simpler if I at least separate that out."
[programming]|19:38 boucher says, "No careful selecting of handles, etc."
[programming]|19:38 zarf says, "I find selecting easier than threading"
[programming]|19:38 zarf says, "because, for one thing, there are no goddamn threads"
[programming]|19:38 boucher says, "Heh."
[programming]|19:38 boucher says, "zarf, nudist programmer"
[programming]|19:39 zarf says, "but if I were doing it the other way, there would be the teeniest little thread that just knew how to read data and then kill the socket when it got the kill signal"
[programming]|19:40 boucher says, "(I am reminded of someone telling here the story of a genuine nudist sysadmin.  Because he worked the night shift, when nobody else was in the office, he was permitted his fashion sense, or lack thereof, so long as he didn't startle the janitors.)"
[programming]|19:42 boucher says, "But then again, it was during the dotcom boom and people were desperate for anyone with skill, even if they did walk around naked in the office."
[lounge]|19:43 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|19:43 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|19:43 boucher likes a lounge. He prefers the one at the Radisson in Minneapolis, but this one'll do in a pinch.
[lounge]|19:45 Miseri regularly eats multiples of things inky wouldn't eat more than zero of.
[lounge]|19:45 Miseri says, "arrr"
[lounge]|19:45 Miseri says, "hello from Baltimore."
[lounge]|19:46 Johnny says, "Hi Mis"
[lounge]|19:46 Johnny says, "Baltimis"
[lounge]|19:46 boucher asks, "What regulars from Maryland do we have here anyhow?"
[lounge]|19:47 boucher says, "I have a non-mudder friend who grew up there and when I get him started on Maryland, he can't stop."
[lounge]|19:47 Johnny says, "Well, ever since Olly moved to Ollyland, who knows."
[lounge]|19:47 Miseri asks (of boucher), "about the good or the bad?"
[lounge]|19:48 boucher says, "A little of both.  Stay out of East Baltimore unless you like gunshot wounds, is the bad."
[lounge]|19:48 zarf says, "I grew up in Rockville"
[lounge]|19:48 boucher says, "Visit Ocean City and fly a kite is the good."
[lounge]|19:49 Miseri asks, "oooh, 'East Baltimore' is any place where the streets are, like, 'East Fayette' etc., right?  Or do you have to be further east than some specifice street?"
[lounge]|19:50 Miseri says, "Because I was a few blocks east of my hotel (on East Fayette) and I think I may have stumbled onto the Baltimore red light district."
[lounge]|19:50 boucher says, "All I know about the bad parts of Baltimore, I learned from The Wire."
[comics]|19:51 Doug | The Death of Superman didn't kill Superman... it killed death.
[comics]|19:51 McMartin says, "I see 'The Death of Superman' and I imagine a ghostly Superman carrying a scythe and who speaks ONLY IN CAPITAL LETTERS"
[comics]|19:51 McMartin says, "he has a very specific job and tremendously low morale as a result"
[comics]|19:51 Doug says, "via http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/02/nobody-gives-a-fuck-about-superman/ "
[comics]|19:54 boucher says, "#tasteless Now I want some guy, disguised as a simultaneous cross of a bird and a plane and some sort of supersonic bullet capable of ballistic building traversal, to go on a shooting rampage, so people will pay more attention to Superman."
[comics]|19:54 K-Y says, "once again http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RVLJm9IHkZk/TEKzcpLIj0I/AAAAAAAABfo/eNO1-fjj_VA/s1600/infinite+crisis+no+1+-+Copy.jpg "
[comics]|19:55 McMartin says, "It has been observed that the latest famous mass murderer looked more like Fry from Futurama than anything else"
[comics]|19:56 boucher says, "I blame free access to 100 cups of coffee.  Ban Starbucks!"
[lounge]|19:57 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]|19:58 Johnny says, "Howdy jen"
[lounge]|19:58 jenrexrode exclaims, "Happy birthday maxporter!"
[lounge]|19:58 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[comics]|19:58 Johnny says, "No he doesn't."
[comics]|19:58 McMartin says, "I thought there were four coffees involved"
[comics]|19:58 Johnny says, "He's got tiny eyes for one."
[sf]|19:58 Jon says, "It occurred to me today that the Culture books typically follow a jo-ha-kyu structure. (Based on my understanding of the term from Wikipedia, anyway.)"
[comics]|19:59 boucher says, "You know, I've never seen jwz in person"
[sf]|19:59 Jon says, "And that Surface Detail would have been a better story if it had also done so."
[comics]|19:59 boucher asks, "Is this him?"
[comics]|19:59 Doug says, "his hair isn't sticking up in frot"
[comics]|19:59 Doug says, "front"
[maryland]|20:00 * jenrexrode has joined the channel.
[comics]|20:00 Johnny says, "And he's not dressed like James Dean."
[comics]|20:00 boucher says, "Oh, I guess not."
[npr]|20:00 borowski says, "My local station is thinking about picking up a couple new programs: Ask Me Another & The TED Radio Hour."
[npr]|20:00 jenrexrode asks, "an hour of a talking bear?"
[comics]|20:00 K-Y says, "also, once again"
[comics]|20:00 K-Y | "I think resurrection is one of the most exciting things about comic books, and we should embrace it," Alonso says."My feeling is lean into that punch. I'm not at all ashamed about death and resurrection. I think it's one of the things that makes comic books unique, and we should be proud of it."
[npr]|20:01 jenrexrode says, "The World just coming on here"
[comics]|20:01 McMartin says, "There certainly aren't major cultural artifacts in America that make a big deal out of someone dying and then getting better"
[comics]|20:01 Doug says, "oh wait, it is!  http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-201_162-10013046-6.html "
[comics]|20:01 McMartin says, "Or if so, they are some tiny, persecuted minority, not entirely unlike comic book fans"
[npr]|20:02 borowski says, "I wonder what would happen if the worlds of NPR and TED the movie collided."
[lounge]|20:02 Miseri says, "...suddenly i want a snack."
[lounge]|20:02 jenrexrode says, "mmm, crab"
[npr]|20:02 borowski says, "The World is broadcasted here at 3 but I missed it today."
[lounge]|20:03 Johnny hides behind Gerynar.
[comics]|20:03 Doug says, "oh geez, they got that picture from AdultFriendFinder"
[npr]|20:03 jenrexrode says, "wow, if it came on at 3, I wouldn't get to listen to it.  I already have a local show at 3"
[comics]|20:03 boucher says, "It's a God, it's a Holy Ghost, it's SuperJesus!"
[lounge]|20:04 Miseri eats Gerynar by mistake.
[comics]|20:04 Johnny says, "I read a thread about "Who would win in a fight, Superman or Jesus?" once."
[comics]|20:04 Johnny says, "I'm not proud."
[comics]|20:05 boucher says, "Someone find us an evangelistic comic book that attempts to recast Jesus as a superhero.  I know it must exist."
[comics]|20:05 McMartin says, "The Jesus Riding A Utahraptor comic book seems relevant"
[lounge]|20:05 mamster quickly learns that he is, in fact, a ghost when the police officer begins urinating on his shoes.
[lounge]|20:05 mamster says, "Woomp, here it is."
[comics]|20:06 boucher says, "#tasteless-again Then someone find someone willing to shoot up a movie theater dressed as Jesus"
[lounge]|20:06 jenrexrode says, "hey it's a mamster"
[lounge]|20:06 mamster says, "It's-a me!"
[comics]|20:06 Doug asks, "it's not like most comics have continuity anyway.  Lois Lane isn't 100 years old.  So why can't they just have a comic book where Superman dies, and then reboot the story in the next issue?"
[lounge]|20:06 Johnny says, "Hey mamster"
[lounge]|20:06 Miseri says, "hello mamster."
[comics]|20:07 Johnny says, "Superhibernation."
[comics]|20:07 Johnny says, "The Superhibernation of Superman."
[channels]|20:07 jenrexrode joins #maryland just in case it gets on the hot list
[comics]|20:07 Johnny asks, "Or was it a coma?"
[lounge]|20:08 mamster asks, "What's doing?"
[comics]|20:08 Doug says, "basically a coma, sounds like"
[programming]|20:08 vaporware says, "The async/await keywords seem like they'll make tasks a joy to use."
[lounge]|20:08 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 978 of 3251 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Monday, 23 Jul 2012, 08:08:47 PM EDT
There is one new message on #alt/obits.
There is one new message on #tech/programming/programming.
[dinner] jenrexrode says, "sweet potato"
Rob says, "blrpm"
jenrexrode says, "hi rob"
Miseri says, "Everybody is coming right on in, apparently."
[comics] Johnny says, "'The Coma of Superman didn't put Superman into a coma... okay, it did, but it also put death ... into a coma.'"
[comics] Rob says, "coma chameleon"
[programming] vaporware says, "Unfortunately, they're in the unusable Visual Studio 2012."
Miseri asks (of Rob), "blrpm?"
[comics] Doug says (to boucher), "this is the closest I can find: http://now.msn.com/holy-family-batman-jesus-mary-cast-as-superheroes "
mamster says, "Hey Rob."
Miseri asks (of Rob), "andyf, is that you?"
[obits] jenrexrode says, "pancreatic cancer sux"
Johnny says, "Yo Rob"
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "ok, so that didn't go so well"
[GerynarsAbode] Johnny asks, "There's wifi in Miseri's stomach?"
[GerynarsAbode] Johnny asks, "What, updating MediaWiki?"
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "tried updating mediawiki to the latest version by hand, didn't go so well"
[GerynarsAbode] Johnny says, "I guessed right!"
McMartin says, "blrzm is the evil alternate universe andyf"
mamster found, say, a frog from 1930 and a badger from 1066.
mamster has disconnected.
[GerynarsAbode] Johnny says, "That doesn't sound like a smart thing to do."
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "so I restored the backup"
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "it was a bit of hubris on my part"
[obits] Rob says, "yeah it does"
#152 [tech/programming/programming]  From: Iain          Date: 23-Jul-12 09:45
Subject: New programming jargon
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/07/new-programming-jargon.html

#461 [alt/obits]                   From: Firion        Date: 23-Jul-12 18:06
Subject: Sally Ride, 61
First woman in space.  Passed away after 17 month battle with pancreatic cancer.
Rob::::::::::::::::::::
jenrexrode says, "I didn't know Rob had a cat"
zarf asks, "colony?"
Johnny says, "It's a line of Rob-ots."
Johnny says, "Disguised as file cabinets."
Rob says, "just something I randomly felt like typing, then figured, I'll hit enter and see what happens"
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "I was wanting to add an extension that would require new accounts to be approved, but it required a later version of mediawiki than what runs HbE"
Rob says, "how many of them is that"
Johnny says, "Twenty."
Rob says, "including the invisible 0th one that emoted it"
Johnny says, "Twenty-one."
mamster quickly learns that he is, in fact, a ghost when the police officer begins urinating on his shoes.
mamster says, "Wurps."
mamster says, "So, today is the debut of the annual summer limited edition Pepsi flavor."
mamster says, "This year it is Salted Watermelon."
Rob says, "eughick"
Johnny asks, "'s good?"
inky asks, "are there big lines for it?"
inky says, "also, I can't tell if this is a crazy american thing or a crazy japanese thing"
Rob says, "yeah when the veins start popping out in your temples"
mamster says, "Oh, it's a crazy Japanese thing."
Rob says, "oh, japanese"
mamster says, "I don't think there are lines, but I will check the 7-Eleven in just a minute."
Rob says, "he said, as if that explained everything"
Rob says, "which somehow it kinda does"
mamster found, say, a frog from 1930 and a badger from 1066.
mamster has disconnected.
mamster quickly learns that he is, in fact, a ghost when the police officer begins urinating on his shoes.
mamster says, "Yeesh."
Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
</Fang> Conclusion: My conclusion is large apples.
mamster says, "That one was my fault. Anyway, then I'm going to a noodle-making class where we will knead dough with our feet."
Doug says, "boezg"
<Ghogg> Ghogg has connected to ifMUD.
inky says, "ha ha"
Doug says, "should be andyf's doppelganger"
Rob says, "I hope everybody washes their feet and cleans their toenails first"
Ghogg is called Ghogg, he works here, as you know.
mamster says, "I think the dough will be in a ziploc bag."
Ghogg says, "Hello."
Johnny says, "Hey Ghogg"
Rob says, "oh ok"
inky says, "I got a massage from a thai guy's feet when we were in thailand"
mamster says, "Oh yeah, I remember that."
Rob says, "probably still a good idea though"
mamster says, "Same thing only noodles"
inky says, "maybe I should have asked him to use his hands and then he could have been making pad thai noodles with his feet"
mamster says, "ha ha"
mamster says, "All right, I will let you know if I find that Pepsi. In the meantime, I am drinking Bikkle, which is the official yogurt drink of expatriates according to William Gibson novels."
[sf] inky says, "#belated this seems like a pretty standard dramatic structure"
mamster says, "Bye."
mamster found, say, a frog from 1930 and a badger from 1066.
mamster has disconnected.
Recapping 3 of 3 lines from media/books/sf:
[sf]/001 Jon says, "It occurred to me today that the Culture books typically follow a jo-ha-kyu structure. (Based on my understanding of the term from Wikipedia, anyway.)"
[sf]/002 Jon says, "And that Surface Detail would have been a better story if it had also done so."
[sf]/003 inky says, "#belated this seems like a pretty standard dramatic structure"
Recapped 3 of 3 lines from media/books/sf.
inky says, "the yogurt drink was the color of a cow tuned to a dead channel"
Rob says, "gosh"
[UK] jenrexrode reads about Union Flag vs Union Jack
Rob says, "that's a really interesting way to describe a color"
inky says, "hee hee"
Ghogg says, "inky's mad skills include bodysurfing and inventing new colors"
[ads] Johnny says, "FOAD < http://i.imgur.com/lOZQY.png >"
[climate] Doug says, "huh, is there a drought in the midwest?  I'm so out of touch"
[flags] inky says, "why did nobody tell me romania and chad have the same flag!"
[music] Rob says, " http://nyokai.com/tips/index.php?n=Tips.JoHaKyu "
[robmumble] Rob says, " http://nyokai.com/tips/index.php?n=Tips.JoHaKyu "
[robmumble] Rob says, "this is the way I compose music"
[robmumble] Rob says, "in fact, it's kind of the way I write IF, also"
[flags] Doug says, "I totally mentioned it on #things-romania-and-chad-have-in-common but you're not subscribed!"
[flags] inky says, "also the letter a"
[sf] Jon says, "Well, I'm specifically referring to the slow start, rising middle, and swift resolution."
[flags] Doug says, "take it to etc"
[sf] Jon says, "like, Player of Games drags and drags. And it's interesting while it drags, don't get me wrong, but it takes a while. And then, bam, resolution."
[sf] Doug says, "I've had dates like that."
[sf] inky says, "ha ha"
[sf] inky says, "I am pretty sure that was dirty but I'm not totally sure what it means"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'm seeing this fractal form in all my stuff, now that I look for it. but maybe I'm overapplying it because I have a bias for finding the pattern"
[sf] inky asks (of Jon), "so is that a correct use of jo-ha-kyu or an incorrect one?"
[sf] Doug says, "I've had dates like that too..."
[sf] Jon says (to inky), "well I'm a guy who learned about it from wikipedia, so what do I know."
[sf] Jon says, "but it seems to me that the mor eeffective Culture novels take this form."
[ads] jenrexrode asks, "on fume amis d?jeuner?"
[ads] jenrexrode says, "aw forget it"
[flags] Psmith says (to inky), "Also Indonesia and Monaco, but you probably already knew that."
[flags] inky says, "well sure I mean duh everyone knows that"
[robmumble] Rob says, "that last game I was working on was literally a river in the middle spot"
[sf] inky asks (of Jon), "well, ok, so are you saying player of games is an effective culture novel or an ineffective one?"
[flags] inky says, "ok, it is funny how for these matching flags they all have people asking angrily on yahoo answers why the flags are the same"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "hm, reminds me there was this guy that was really into fractals"
[sf] Jon says, "effective."
[sf] Jon says, "as opposed to Surface Detail, particularly."
[flags] Ghogg says, "there was one bit during the Olympics where two countries didn't realize they had the same flag until that opening ceremony thing"
[flags] inky says, "ha ha"
[flags] inky says, "did they say "twins!""
[flags] inky says, "I guess it's more like coming to a party and wearing the same dress as another guest"
[flags] Doug says, "except they have to fight to the death."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I liked them as something that could be used to generate realistic-looking mountain scapes fairly simply"
[flags] Doug says, "or unite into one country"
[flags] Doug says, "Chadania"
[flags] Ghogg says, "there we go: 1936, Haiti and Liechtenstein"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I thought that was keen when I was 14 or so"
[flags] Ghogg says, "Liechtenstein added a yellow crown after that"
[sf] inky says, "but ok, I guess what I'm thinking is standard "western" dramatic form is you start out with no tension and just faffing around, and then gradually tension builds, and then near the end of the story it breaks, you get the climax, and then wrap stuff up quickly for the happy ending"
[sf] inky says, "and then individual scenes echo the faff->tension->break thing"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "hm, now he's President at Hellfire Games, whatever that is."
[sf] Rob says, "yeah, I mean, it's just like a sensible template"
[robmumble] inky says, "this is a pretty funny website: http://hellfiregames.com/ "
[sf] Rob says, "and hollywood uses it, but maybe I picked it up from all those movies I watched"
[sf] Jon asks, "i think it's a difference in the pacing?"
[sf] Rob says (to Jon), "yeah"
[sf] inky asks, "does surface detail not go slow enough at the beginning? or fast enough at the end?"
[sf] Rob says, "or at how cleverly you can get it in there fractally for more entertainment value and complexity"
[food] borowski says, "Biscuit with butter & strawberry jam."
[food] jenrexrode says, "mmm"
[sf] Jon says, "its end is just sort of 'eh'"
[sf] Rob says, "the movie has this shape, the acts have the same shape, clusters of scenes, subscenes, action scenes, chases."
[food] jenrexrode says, "hm, I wonder if my sweet potato is done"
[food] borowski says, "I will admit that peanut butter is not the answer here."
[food] borowski says, "Oh I keep forgetting that I have a couple of sweet potatoes in the fridge."
[sf] Jon says, "along the way to the end we learn some interesting stuff about the Culture and the other Involved civilizations. (and also some really implausible stuff, mind.)"
[food] jenrexrode says, "my last batch did not keep very well"
[sf] Jon says, "but the end is just Banks running out of action scenes."
[sf] inky says, "culture novels seem like they're really hard to get the pacing right in"
[food] jenrexrode says, "i wound up whittling the 4 potatoes down to 1 little bowl of slices"
[food] Rob says, "whittle while you work"
[sf] Rob says, "I must have read one of those suckers because I heard a lot of discussion and recommendations"
[sf] inky says, "you can't really go more and more dangerous for the culture as a whole, so you either have to go more and more weird like in that one with the sleeper ship, or you zoom in on some individuals"
[sf] inky asks, "I feel like you read, hmm, look to windward?"
[sf] Rob says, "but in the end it kinda didn't do it for me"
[sf] Rob says, "that sounds really familiar"
[sf] Jon says, "Look to Windward has got to be kind of weird to read as your only Culture book."
[sf] Rob says, "it was !"
[sf] Rob says, "but not that weird."
[sf] Doug says, "I can never remember which ones I've read either.  I wish his titles were more closely connected to the plots.  Like Player of Games."
[sf] Jon says, "I'd recommend Player of Games as a standalone. And really, nothing else."
[dinner] genericgeekgirl says, "Beet stems, arugula, tempeh bacon and walnuts, topped with a fried egg and vegan parmesan."
[sf] Rob says, "ok, I'm touring through this guy's imagined world, and he's showing me around"
[sf] Doug says, "I still like Consider Phlebas the best, but it's basically just rollicking space opera"
[sf] Jon says, "Excession is too weird, Matter is too much about non-Culture civs, and Consider Phelbas is a rubbish introduction."
[sf] Doug says, "yeah, it's only tangentially about the Culture"
[sf] Jon says, "a lot of people like Use of Weapons as an intro, I guess"
[sf] Rob says, "therefore, there is no good one to read as your only one"
[sf] Jon says (to Rob), "no, Player of Games."
[sf] Doug says, "really you should just read them all"
[sf] Jon says, "actually has a Culture civilian as the protagonist."
[sf] Rob says, "too late! I've already read one"
inky says, "ok zunk"
inky suffers from an "excess of kittens".
</inky> In my opinion they would be worse than yoga pants, because yoga pants are called "yoga pants"
[sf] Rob says, "I don't have time for that"
[dinner] Johnny says, "Oh man, I read that as beef stems."
[sf] Rob says, "I didn't even like it"
[dinner] Johnny asks, "And was thinking, beef grows on flowers now?"
[dinner] Rob says, "The gostak beef stems the doshes."
Jon says, "zunk is not even a thing, inky."
[dinner] Johnny says, "That jellyrat is making me rethink the world."
Jon says, "you can't fool me."
Rob says, "it's an interjective onomatopoeia"
[snacks] Doug says, "haha, I was about to throw away this can of Pringles, but I found one last chip clinging to the side near the bottom, like a stowaway"
[google] Johnny says, "There's a Facebook group called "Don't kill you're self block/delete the person""
[google] Johnny says, "And 966,999 other hits for "kill you're self""
[snacks] Rob says, "and then the hideous giant reached his paw into the canister"
[snacks] Rob says, "aiiee screamed the brave little chip"
[google] Johnny says, "whyyy"
McMartin says, "Yoga Pants: Dhalsim's least effective super attack"
[google] Rob says, "how does it even look remotely right to the person typing that"
[google] Doug asks, "because apostrophes = possession?"
[google] Rob says, "is it that they have one rule in their heads, that apostrophes -- yeah"
Johnny says, "Are you sure? Pantsing someone gives you a tactical advantage."
Johnny says, "1) Pants 2) Push over"
[google] Rob says, "maybe people will start typing:  you'r"
Johnny says, "Or Yoga Tie Shoelaces Together"
Miseri says, "The difference between a butler and tired dog: the butler wears a suit, the dog just pants."
Rob says, "heh."
[sf] zarf says, "Look to Windward is pretty much the one I'd offer as an introduction"
Rob says, "don't tell that joke to a butler"
[sf] Rob says, "my memory is that Iain had something to do with picking that one"
[sf] Jon says (to zarf), "huh."
[sf] Doug says, "I'm not sure there's a point to picking an introduction.  None of them really have much in common"
[food] jenrexrode says, "I became interested in eating sweet potatoes when I saw them in anime"
[food] Rob says, "wow"
Miseri is very disappointed in you.  Earlier, he may have ransacked your office, but he is *very* disappointed in you.
</Miseri> Llama llama duck
[food] Rob says, "did they somehow look delicious"
[food] Jon says, "I became interested in eating them when I tried them as a child and they were delicious."
[sf] zarf says, "My dirty secret is that I may never have read all of Use of Weapons."
[food] Rob says, "yeah that's the usual way I think"
[food] Gerynar hopes jenrexrode doesn't get 'inspired' by vampire anime
[food] jenrexrode says, "yeah, they were baking them, then eating them like a banana"
[food] Rob says, "oho"
[sf] Doug says, "I never finished Feersum Endjinn.  got too annoyed by the anti-spelling chapters"
Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
Rob says, "yeah time to go in"
Rob says, "zrprprp"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.