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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob, fake_Robb_Sherwin
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this."
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder, Sarcasm Detector
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, Psmith, small, DorianX, Ryan, lpsmith, GDorn, jpt, vimes, Bishop, annabianca, Dave, maga, Jon, Jearl, zaphod, ghira, Marktwo, marc, Allen, Whizzard, Doug, McMartin, Matthew, Steve, genericgeekgirl, zarf, Emily, DavidW, jenrexrode, Grocible, Johnny, Yuri, Ellison, nm, K-Y, Hugo, mwmiller, Miseri, boucher
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 4495 lines from recent channels:
[CCG]/17:39 baf says, "I had only one milling card in my deck, and I only had it there because it's a draft and I need all the creatures available to me."
[CCG]|17:40 K-Y says, "wow"
[CCG]|17:40 baf says, "But it was a Stern Mentor, which soulbods for "tap to mill for two"."
[CCG]|17:41 baf says, "Which is to say, once it's soulbound, you have two creatures who can do that every turn."
[CCG]|17:42 baf says, "And, since this is a draft, that's 10% of a deck."
[CCG]|17:42 inky says, "heh"
[lounge]|17:43 Roger is a dangerous prank, or perhaps just an expression of high spirits, popular in the United States during the 1960s.
[google]|17:43 Gunther asks, "...how can anyone go from Google to Yahoo?"
[google]|17:43 DorianX says, "I think it has to do with being REALLY upset about support for marriage equality"
[CCG]|17:44 baf says, "I want to put together a proper milling deck. I have some good cards for it now."
[google]|17:44 Gunther asks, "really?"
[google]|17:44 Iain says, "Sidelined VP to CEO? Doesn't sound so bad."
[google]|17:44 Iain says, "If you save the company you're a hero."
[google]|17:44 Gunther says (to Iain), "CEO at fucking Yahoo"
[google]|17:44 Iain says, "If not, you get fired in a couple of years and you get millions of dollars in your golden parachute."
[google]|17:44 Gunther says, "might as well be CEO of RIM or Nokia"
[google]|17:44 inky says, "yeah, I expect this is how you get to be CEO of a major corporation"
[housing]|17:44 Roger says, "So I built a little sleeping cave under the stairs in the basement"
[google]|17:45 inky says, "you get a "bad" CEO job and get some experience"
[CCG]|17:45 K-Y says, "it seems crazier than ever now"
[housing]|17:45 Roger says, "darkroom-quality darkness, nice and quiet, cool"
[housing]|17:45 Gunther says, "Harry (your son) will really like it"
[CCG]|17:45 baf says, "Drafted two Dreadwaters"
[housing]|17:45 inky asks, "what for, besides awesomeness?"
[housing]|17:45 jenrexrode exclaims, "!"
[CCG]|17:45 K-Y says, "'mill for twenty' planeswalkers, Sands of Delerium"
[CCG]|17:45 K-Y says, "Delirium"
[google]|17:45 DorianX says (to gunther), "no, just the only other example I could think of for "Ditch Google in favor of Yahoo" was that NOM was telling Concerned People to do just that"
[CCG]|17:45 inky asks, "'mill' isn't official terminology now, is it?"
[CCG]|17:45 Gunther says, "I want Sands of Delerium"
[housing]|17:46 Roger says, "Well, in addition to being awesome and all the HP jokes, I think it'll be nice to have a place to run away to if and when that's required"
[google]|17:46 Gunther says, "oh, heh"
[CCG]|17:46 K-Y says (to inky), "not quite, but it started with Millstone"
[yak]|17:46 Iain says, "Hmm, I wonder if I should talk to the Geo team again now."
[google]|17:46 Gunther says, "right, because everyone at Yahoo is staunchly anti-gay"
[yak]|17:46 Iain says, "Marissa Mayer was... somewhat unpopular."
[google]|17:46 Doug says, "yeah, seems like being a CEO is a risk-free proposition"
[housing]|17:47 Roger says, "Also at some point in the last 30 years or so, they started making really tall air mattresses."
[google]|17:47 Gunther says, "these people are such gargantucunts"
[housing]|17:47 Roger says, "This one is 17" they say"
[google]|17:47 DorianX says (to gunther), "I assume it's because Yahoo doesn't have the social relevance to have felt it worthhwhile to take a public stand on the issue"
[housing]|17:47 inky says, "a mighty air mattress indeed"
[google]|17:47 DorianX says, "Also, possibly yahoo is too starved for customers to risk alienating them bytaking a stand on ANY issue"
[tasteless]|17:47 Ellison says, "dang"
[housing]|17:47 GDorn says, "yeah, they're basically calling those airbeds now, to differentiate"
[music]|17:47 K-Y says (to Gunther), "another album this year, it is said"
[google]|17:48 Iain says, "You may recall such notable Apple CEOs as Gil Amelio and Michael Spindler."
[google]|17:48 Doug says, "our CEO sent out company-wide email today: 'Strive for excellence in everything you do. When you see BS, call it out. The days of a consensual culture are gone. We don't have time for that anymore.'"
[housing]|17:48 Roger says, "It's sort of a sensory deprivation chamber now"
[google]|17:48 Iain says, "Wow, that never would have occurred to me!"
[google]|17:48 Doug says, "pretty sure this will chnage eactly nothing"
[google]|17:48 Doug says, "but I bet he feels good for sending it!"
[lounge]|17:48 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[CCG]|17:49 baf says, "It's as official as "ping" for direct damage."
[lounge]|17:49 Olly says, "MUDlings, Hello."
[google]|17:49 inky says, "consensual? hmm"
[music]|17:49 K-Y says, "supposedly Rhys promised the poppiest song yet, so I like that they're telling the truth now"
[lounge]|17:49 Roger says, "ollster"
[music]|17:49 Gunther says, "I am opposed :("
[google]|17:49 Doug says, "I think he means consensus-based"
[google]|17:50 Iain says, "But more sensual"
[google]|17:50 Doug says, "and not, like, consentual."
[music]|17:50 K-Y says, "'oh yes, it will sound like Stone Tower' riiiiiiiight"
[lounge]|17:50 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Olly"
[lounge]|17:50 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Roger"
[music]|17:50 Gunther says, "SYROPHENIKAN"
[lounge]|17:50 Ellison says, "hey Olly"
[ultima]|17:51 Gunther says, "ha ha, I missed these U9 reaction pullquotes"
[CCG]|17:51 inky asks, "which is to say, it doesn't appear in the rules but official mtg people use it commonly?"
[ultima]|17:51 Gunther | Everything in this game is so pointless. Thanks for showing it off!
[music]|17:51 K-Y says, "that would have been funnier but I forgot how to spell it"
[ultima]|17:51 Gunther | God I just want the fucking moon to crash into Earth now, fuck this game.
[google]|17:51 Grocible says, "Yahoo. Man..."
[ultima]|17:51 McMartin says, "Ah, U9"
[ultima]|17:51 Gunther | What is Fixed in the Patch (1.18f): - Suppressed humming and whistling of the Avatar, and any NPC who is in the process of dying.
[ultima]|17:52 McMartin says, "The *other* failure mode DNF risked, but sadly avoided"
[CCG]|17:52 K-Y says, "sure"
[music]|17:52 Grocible says, "more unlicensed 2001 samples"
[ultima]|17:52 Gunther asks, "series-killing crash and burn of epic proportions?"
[cabal]|17:53 Emily says, "so my sister's insane ex is still sending her boyfriend threats of violence"
[music]|17:53 Gunther says (to Grocible), "I still can't believe you had to do that"
[music]|17:53 Grocible asks, "do what?"
[music]|17:53 Gunther says, "find all the offending samples so they could be removed"
[cabal]|17:53 Grocible says, "yikes"
[cabal]|17:53 Emily says, "I am not really clear on what one is supposed to do at a certain point given that restraining orders are not that efficacious, other than, like, hire Gavin de Becker or something"
[cabal]|17:53 Iain says, "Grah"
[cabal]|17:54 Emily says, "(she's already blocked him on phone, text, email, etc., so he is failing to contact her directly)"
[cabal]|17:54 Iain asks, "Wait, does she have a restraining order?"
[ultima]|17:54 McMartin says, "Nah, the goal was clearly always to set the property on fire, so it can't be blamed for doing that"
[ultima]|17:54 McMartin says, "It *can* be blamed for being released too late with outdated technology that was never a good idea in the first plac"
[ultima]|17:54 McMartin says, "e"
[cabal]|17:54 inky says, "get burly friends to threaten him"
[ultima]|17:54 McMartin says, "Ultima VIII I can no longer understand what went wrong, because the engine was certainly fine"
[cabal]|17:54 Iain says, "That seems like maybe the correct thing, although who knows how well it works."
[ultima]|17:55 Gunther says, "well"
[ultima]|17:55 Gunther says, "they patched out the jumping in the CD version"
[cabal]|17:55 Emily says (to Iain), "she has not pursued one precisely because evidence suggests restraining orders often piss the person off and do not in fact restrain them"
[cabal]|17:55 Grocible asks, "get a good lawyer?"
[cabal]|17:55 Iain says, "hrm"
[IntroComp]|17:55 vimes says, "well, i got my intro in by the (slightly extended) deadline!"
[IntroComp]|17:56 Doug says, "yay!"
[cabal]|17:56 inky says, "I guess it depends if you think this is the sort of guy who will actually do something or not"
[cabal]|17:56 Grocible says, "and document everything"
[cabal]|17:56 Emily says, "I think what we need right now is a threat assessment by a professional good at distinguishing something"
[ultima]|17:56 Gunther says, "but let's face it, the Crusader engine is not really all that great for an RPG"
[cabal]|17:56 inky says, "I remember the gift of fear has some cosmo-quiz stuff in that regard"
[cabal]|17:57 Emily says (to inky), "she isn't sure he would, but his current girlfriend is also participating in the harassment and is someone who has already assaulted Sarah once, so the "would do something" level is at 100% there"
[CCG]|17:57 K-Y says, "I mean, if you imagine their music on a scale"
[CCG]|17:57 K-Y says, "ilac"
[cabal]|17:57 inky says, "good point"
[music]|17:57 K-Y says, "I mean, if you imagine their music on a scale"
[cabal]|17:57 Grocible says, "threatening violence is illegal. violence is illegal"
[cabal]|17:57 Grocible says, "you gotta get the police involved at some point"
[ultima]|17:57 McMartin says, "I guess, though it was better at Resident Evil style adventure than Resident Evil was"
[cabal]|17:57 Emily says, "I don't know whether you can go to the police and have a chat with them and have them give you feedback about likelihood of worse, or whether you need a separate professional for that"
[ultima]|17:57 McMartin says, "And I kind of associate a lot of that with Ultima"
[cabal]|17:58 Grocible says, "I doubt the cops would be any good at that, though"
[cabal]|17:58 Emily says (to Grocible), "yeah, but there's the problem that if you involve the police *ineffectively* that can also make things worse"
[music]|17:58 Roger says, "I'm having treble picturing it"
[music]|17:58 K-Y says, "every album he promise of what it will sound like slides further back while what it actually sounds like slides an equal distance the... other way"
[hardware]|17:58 Roger says, "Still enjoying messing around with this smartpen thing"
[ultima]|17:58 Gunther says, "well, let's wait for the next such game, which will be Dragon Age 3"
[cabal]|17:58 Iain says, "This obvious isn't immediately helpful, but I assume if you go to the police early in this kind of situation, and later they *do* get violent, that will help quash any defence they might have about it being unpremeditated."
[lounge]|17:59 Jota arrives from the east.
[IntroComp]|17:59 Ellison says, "hey, congrats"
[lounge]|17:59 Jota greets.
[music]|17:59 K-Y says, "I like to think that there was just no room to keep going back unless you're going to promise it sounding like Tangerine Dream or somehing"
[cabal]|17:59 Grocible says, "yeah you need to establish that it's an ongoing thing"
[cabal]|17:59 Emily says, "Sarah is worried that the other girlfriend will show up and, like, stake out our apartment, and/or they will both get madly drunk and go someplace social they know she's likely to be and ... what I don't even know"
[hardware]|17:59 Roger says, "The process of OCR training (which is to say, training my ability to print clearly) is proceeding along nicely"
[cabal]|17:59 Emily says, "she has kept a series of Google voice messages and other things that both threaten violence and admit (his) fault for past events as well as document his illegal drug use"
[cabal]|17:59 Emily says, "so there's some evidence there that would be helpful should it be needed"
[cabal]|18:00 Iain says, "Good start"
[lounge]|18:00 Olly says, "Hello, Jota."
[jobs]|18:01 Dave says, "plenty of jobs out there"
[jobs]|18:01 Dave says, "I just told Redbox that I will not be following up on FT"
[jobs]|18:01 Dave says, "my friend Bill feigned disappointment, but he know when he asked that I was too expensive"
[jobs]|18:02 Dave says, "too many calls for high contractor rates"
[lounge]|18:03 Iain says, "Hm, plane."
[lounge]|18:03 Iain says, "Bye!"
[lounge]|18:03 Iain leaps astride a mountain pony and gallops off bareback for reinforcements.
[lounge]|18:03 * DavidW has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:03 * DavidW has connected.
[lounge]|18:03 * DavidW has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:03 * DavidW has connected.
[lounge]|18:04 Olly says, "A rare double boing."
[books]|18:04 Gunther says, "hatesnark: http://jenniferarmintrout.blogspot.com/p/jen-reads-50-shades-of-grey.html "
[lounge]|18:04 DavidW says, "I forgot I was already logged on and superceded myself."
[ultima]|18:05 McMartin says, "Sorry, the series burned down, suitable only for jokes in the EA storefront now."
[ultima]|18:06 Gunther says, "I don't even know if you mean Ultima, DA or ME"
[ultima]|18:08 McMartin says, "Ultima. The joke in question is that the first page of choices for Origin's 'select avatar' page are all pictures are of The Avatar."
[ultima]|18:08 McMartin says, "s/are of/of/"
[lounge]|18:09 Johnny insisted that the mobile hot-dog-on-a-bun did nothing wrong.
[lounge]|18:10 Olly says, "Hello, Johnny."
[IntroComp]|18:11 Tale says (to vimes), "congrats!"
[IntroComp]|18:11 Tale asks, "How long was thew deadline extended?"
[lounge]|18:13 Johnny says, "Hi Olly"
[IntroComp]|18:13 vimes says, "'bout a day"
[IntroComp]|18:14 vimes says, "i had a minor but persistent compilation failure last night, but conveniently, jacq also didn't have time to handle the entries last night either, so she moved the drop-dead entry time from midnight eastern yesterday to 7:30pm eastern today"
[ultima]|18:14 Gunther says, "plus the corpse-rape worthy of Kevin J. Anderson with the f2p Ultima"
[begood]|18:14 Johnny says, "Got somewhat acqu--"
[IntroComp]|18:14 Johnny says (to vimes), "Congratulations!"
[begood]|18:14 Johnny says, "--ainted with Construct Classic today."
[begood]|18:14 Johnny says, "And I made it crash."
[ultima]|18:15 McMartin says, "I'm pointedly pretending that Lord Britishville doesn't exist"
[ultima]|18:15 Gunther says, "no, no, the *other* one"
[ultima]|18:15 Gunther says, " http://ultimaforever.com/ "
[IntroComp]|18:16 vimes says, "important example code of the day: #284, The Left Hand of Autumn"
[IntroComp]|18:17 maga says, "oh, gods, that"
[begood]|18:17 Ellison asks, "a Constuct Classic Crash Course?"
[IntroComp]|18:17 vimes says (to maga), "i see you are familiar with it"
[IntroComp]|18:18 maga says, "yeeees"
[IntroComp]|18:18 maga says, "the multiple-object list is not my friend"
[begood]|18:18 Johnny | http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/programming/game-programming/9781849516600
[IntroComp]|18:19 vimes says, "it worked pretty smoothly for me"
[begood]|18:19 Johnny says, "There was also a four part tutorial at http://www.realpcgamers.co.uk/ , but now all that's there is a "Sorry We're Closed" sign."
[IntroComp]|18:19 maga says, "you are a codey fellow"
[IntroComp]|18:19 vimes says, "creating a bunch of new adjectives probably had a lot to do with that"
[begood]|18:20 Johnny says, "I have a local copy of it though."
[IntroComp]|18:20 vimes says, "pseudo-pro tip: any time you are working with lists of objects, create an absolute ton of adjectives"
[IntroComp]|18:20 McMartin says, "YAY ADJECTIVES"
[lounge]|18:20 Gunther says, "zz"
[lounge]|18:20 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[channels]|18:21 Roger says, "Hrm, where to put bad OCR text..."
[channels]|18:21 Matthew asks, "#tech?"
[channels]|18:22 Roger says, "Enh I'll fall back to #apr"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:23 Roger | - Avalon-puking's shuttle bus? 176. Gerry (1042)
[IntroComp]|18:23 vimes says, "Definition: a sheep is unshorn if it contains wool.  Definition: a sheep is shorn if it is not unshorn and it is not bald.  Definition: an animal is scared if it is not calm.  Let L be a list of objects; Add the list of scared shorn sheep to L; if L is targeted-sheep: ..."
[IntroComp]|18:23 vimes says, "(i wasn't doing sheep, but that's pretty close to what i did for something else)"
[IntroComp]|18:25 vimes says, "unfortunately, all the mucking about with implementation of specific advancement-related bits made implementation of window-dressing bits fall by the wayside a bit, but so it goes"
[IntroComp]|18:26 McMartin says, "Strangely, this makes me excited about IntroComp"
[IntroComp]|18:27 (from vimes) McMartin says, "since i really, really like sheep"
[IntroComp]|18:27 Roger says, "Ha"
[IntroComp]|18:28 vimes says, "(why does it make you excited about introcomp?")"
[IntroComp]|18:28 vimes says, "(-")"
[IntroComp]|18:31 McMartin says, "I like complicated world models"
[IntroComp]|18:32 vimes says, "well, it's a complicated very small part of the world model"
[IntroComp]|18:33 vimes says, "but i'm pleased with how it turned out and i'm not at all looking forward to rewriting it to be less ugly when i try to finish the game"
[videogames]|18:35 Tale says, "Wow"
[videogames]|18:35 Tale says, "Dear Esther is 10 x as impressive as Serious Sam 3 (I know, I know) and cost a tenth"
[telltalegames]|18:37 baf says, "Man. One of my colleagues here has been googling for Walking Dead (videogame) fanart."
[telltalegames]|18:37 baf says, "Turns out, most of it is pictures of Clementine."
[telltalegames]|18:37 baf says, "She's a popular girl."
[telltalegames]|18:38 baf says, "People are going to be so devastated when [SPOILER]."
[telltalegames]|18:39 (from vimes) baf says, "when she turns into a shark!  on a jet ski!  and jumps over herself!"
[telltalegames]|18:39 maga says (to baf), "and when I search for 'clementine walking dead', google suggests 'clementine walking dead rule 34'"
[telltalegames]|18:39 vimes says (to maga), "aie"
[telltalegames]|18:40 McMartin says, "This is my surprised face"
[telltalegames]|18:40 McMartin says, "And by surprised face I mean Totally Not Surprised Face"
[lounge]|18:41 Yuri goes home.
[lounge]|18:42 Miseri is very disappointed in you.  Earlier, he may have ransacked your office, but he is *very* disappointed in you.
[telltalegames]|18:42 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|18:43 genericgeekgirl says, "Neat. I just bought it, even though I know I'll never get around to playing it."
[videogames]|18:43 Johnny says, "It seemed boring in videos."
[videogames]|18:44 Johnny asks, "Although, is Amnesia scary in videos?"
[videogames]|18:44 McMartin says, "It does not appear to be designed to be pulse-pounding"
[videogames]|18:44 Johnny goes to watch videos.
[videogames]|18:44 McMartin says, "Amnesia... is a tricky case"
[videogames]|18:44 McMartin says, "Every place where it 'worked' for me was purely kinetic."
[lounge]|18:45 Ellison says, "later"
[lounge]|18:45 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|18:45 * Ellison has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:46 Yuri arrives from the east.
[books]|18:46 K-Y says, "I like that this channel is just That Series 24/7 now"
[tangent]|18:48 Jon says, "24/7 is the worst torture-porn thriller TV show."
[tangent]|18:48 vimes says, "ha ha"
[books]|18:48 McMartin says, "Ha ha"
[lounge]|18:48 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[tangent]|18:49 vimes says, "Jack "Johnson" Bauer"
[books]|18:49 McMartin says, "Unfortunately, John St. John still has not atoned for his role as Big the Cat"
[tangent]|18:49 Jon says, "no, that's just actual porn"
[tangent]|18:49 vimes says, "it's jack bauer, so it always includes torture"
[tangent]|18:49 Matthew says, "But enough about Kiefer Sutherland's acting."
[tangent]|18:50 vimes says, "badum"
[books]|18:51 Tale asks, "Why would I want a chapter by chapter recap of something that I know sucks?"
[books]|18:51 Johnny says (to Tale), "It makes of the chapters."
[books]|18:51 McMartin asks, "Destroying things in detail is fun?"
[books]|18:51 Johnny says, "+fun"
[books]|18:53 K-Y says, "that's what I kept asking about Left Behind Fridays"
[books]|18:53 K-Y says, "and look where that ended up"
[books]|18:54 Tale asks (of k-y), "Where?"
[books]|18:54 Johnny (to Tale) | http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/tag/left-behind/
[books]|18:55 K-Y says, "IN IGNOMINY"
[books]|18:57 Jota says, "Ryan North's blogging of the Back to the Future novel is pretty entertaining."
[lounge]|18:57 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|18:57 Johnny says, "Hey Ellison"
[lounge]|18:58 Doug waves.
[lounge]|18:58 Ellison says, "hey hey"
[weblogs]|19:00 Doug | I haven't really been up to date with what was going on in the world of computer games since the mid-1980s.
[weblogs]|19:00 Doug says, "I can't actually tell if Adam is serious there.  Probably."
[lounge]|19:02 Tale says, "Oops, 1am"
[lounge]|19:02 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|19:02 * Tale has disconnected.
[books]|19:02 lpsmith says, "What is nice about line-by-line takedowns of things (beyond the 'I'm kicking down sombody's sandcastle!' which can be fun if you are 6 years old) is if their insight can be applied to more than just the immediate subject.  In the case of LBF, the insight can often be applied to modern Christian culture.  In the BttF, there is a lot of insight into how writing works."
[weblogs]|19:03 lpsmith says, "Oh, I'm sure he's serious."
[weblogs]|19:04 Lucea says, "to be fair the word "really" makes it far easier for it to be serious"
[weblogs]|19:04 Lucea says, "especially when being reviewed by a games journalist who might presumably want to ask about some of the new stuff"
[books]|19:05 McMartin says, "Well, there's a thriving literary criticism genre that boils down to 'The author is a terrible person: Discuss'"
[books]|19:05 Johnny says, "The 50 shadwhatever and the Left Behind chuckleheads are choking on money. Also they don't care about writing, judging by their output."
[weblogs]|19:05 lpsmith says, "The one thing that annoyed me about the interview was the self-centeredness of the interviewer, pitching the article as if their own games journalism was somehow going to save IF, and the self-centeredness of Adam's 'maybe IF isn't doing well because 'E,N' didn't do well.'  Come on, both of you, it is not about you."
[books]|19:06 Johnny says, "It's just good fun."
[weblogs]|19:06 Emily says, "heh -- well, yeah, the "here is the thing that will finally shine the light on you guys!" surprised/darkly amused me a bit"
[weblogs]|19:06 Doug says, "yeah, I wonder if he realizes how much of a turn-off his (fake?) intro to Endless, Nameless is.  I totally skipped it because it sounded totally skippable."
[weblogs]|19:06 Emily says (to Doug), "I presume not"
[weblogs]|19:06 Doug | Warning! These things were not exactly up to Infocom standards, let alone those of the modern day. This is a nostalgia project. Swords, trolls, magic spells, hit points.
[weblogs]|19:07 Doug | Good for newcomers? Nope. This one's for the old-timers.
[weblogs]|19:07 Emily says, "but regardless of that, if he is pitching a game that he wants to use to test the waters of whether new audiences would like his IF, he should also not make that IF be heavily about community-internal issues and-- yeah!"
[weblogs]|19:07 Emily asks, "what did he expect?"
[lounge]|19:07 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|19:07 K-Y says, "re"
[weblogs]|19:07 Emily says, "DO NOT PLAY THIS."
[weblogs]|19:07 Emily says, "<pause>"
[weblogs]|19:07 Emily asks, "WHERE IS YOUR REACTION???"
[lounge]|19:08 Roger goes home.
[lounge]|19:08 * Roger has disconnected.
[weblogs]|19:08 Doug says, "I now gather that this is a joke, and the game is not what it sounds like, but I didn't learn this until a month later when I saw a review (maybe Emily's?)"
[weblogs]|19:08 Emily says, "yeah"
[weblogs]|19:08 vimes says (to Doug), "that's pretty much how i felt when i first saw the announcement, too"
[weblogs]|19:08 vimes says, "and waited until i saw someone's review to say "well crap, now i don't have any time to try it myself""
[weblogs]|19:09 Emily says, "well, I think -- hm. I think he was assuming that it was still the way it was in 1996 or so, and the scenario he envisioned was people half-heartedly trying it out and then going "hey whoa this is not what it sounds like""
[weblogs]|19:09 Doug says, "maybe he didn't understand that the reaction wouldn't be 'oh fun, this'll be worth a few minutes for a laugh' and instead 'ho hum, I have other things to do'"
[weblogs]|19:09 Emily says, "in some massive expanding virus of enthusiasm"
[weblogs]|19:09 lpsmith asks, "Do you think Adam thinks in terms of viruses of enthusiasm?"
[weblogs]|19:09 Emily asks, "kind of?"
[weblogs]|19:10 Doug asks, "also yeah, did he advertise it at all other than on his blog?"
[weblogs]|19:10 Emily says, "I mean, he mentioned to me various plans he had about trying to sneak-launch it maybe even without telling people it was his, and I gave him what advice about that I could, but still, it's a different world now and that doesn't work the same way"
[weblogs]|19:10 Emily says, "if he wanted people to try it, it would have been better to post an appealing blurb to intfiction and also send out some press releases to the indie game blogs"
[weblogs]|19:10 lpsmith says, "Hunh."
[weblogs]|19:10 Lucea says, "well, like"
[weblogs]|19:10 Lucea says, "intfiction wasn't even a thing until really recently. same with the indie game blogs"
[weblogs]|19:11 K-Y says, "remembering now the days of cryptic teaser posts on r*if"
[weblogs]|19:11 Doug says, "yeah, if you want to sneak-launch it anonymously, you have to do it someplace where lots of people will see it"
[weblogs]|19:11 Lucea says, "or they were, but not to the point where IF is a staple"
[weblogs]|19:11 Emily says, "I mean, it's totally possible (some) people at TIGSource would dig it, for instance, but I don't know that they know it exists"
[weblogs]|19:12 Doug says, "he could have just said practically nothing, and people would play it based on his name.  But if he's actively warning people that it's for nostalgists only, then people are going to skip it and wait for his real next game"
[headlines]|19:12 inky asks, "this keeps popping up in my gmail: | About Today - What's Up With Cold Soups?"
[weblogs]|19:12 Johnny says (to Emily), "They don't."
[weblogs]|19:12 Emily says, "yeah, the launch padding has a huge effect"
[weblogs]|19:12 Emily asks (of Johnny), "what, know?"
[headlines]|19:12 Doug asks, "how is that About Today?"
[weblogs]|19:13 Lucea says (to doug), "that's what I'm doing"
[headlines]|19:13 K-Y says, "cold airlines soups"
[weblogs]|19:13 Johnny says, "No. At least going by a forum search."
[weblogs]|19:13 Emily says, "aha"
[weblogs]|19:13 Emily says, "well, see"
[news]|19:13 Allen | A woman with close ties to George Zimmerman and his family told investigators that members of Zimmerman's family were boastfully proud racists and that for more than a decade Zimmerman sexually molested her.
[weblogs]|19:14 Doug says, "all that said, I expect it'll at least get a XYZZY nomination.  partly just from his name."
[telltalegames]|19:14 baf says, "(Also, there's no fanart of Duck.)"
[weblogs]|19:14 Lucea says, "because it takes a lot for me to want to read/hear/play someone's gussied-up unfinished stuff from 20 years ago, no matter who it is"
[news]|19:14 Allen | Zimmerman's defense attorney, Mark O'Mara, has argued that witness 9's statements should not be released and that because her testimony would not be introduced at trial, it was irrelevant. Some of the racial implications made by the witness, he said, could likely cause "widespread hostile publicity."
[weblogs]|19:14 Emily says, "I feel like there was possibly a similar effect with Bronze when I released that -- people were like "oh hey this is just a test/example game" and then gradually over some years it got good reviews on IFDB, but it was pretty slow burning and I think because people expected something uninteresting"
[weblogs]|19:14 Grocible says, "Hey, everybody - I'm releasing my unfinished game HamsterWorld to - aw crap. Never mind."
[weblogs]|19:15 Emily says (to Lucea), "yeah, that's definitely a factor"
[weblogs]|19:15 Lucea asks, "what was that space pirate game from one comp?"
[weblogs]|19:15 Emily says, "it's kind of sad though because in fact E,N has some pretty entertaining classic puzzles"
[weblogs]|19:15 Emily asks, "Pirate 2.0?"
[weblogs]|19:15 Lucea says, "aha, that one"
[news]|19:15 McMartin asks, "I saw something about that. Something about both sides' lawyers wanting it to not be released but Florida court procedure putting all discovery results in the public record or something?"
[weblogs]|19:15 Emily says, "that sounded like it was going to be a horrible thing about downloading from Napster or something"
[weblogs]|19:15 Lucea says, "I don't doubt there are entertaining puzzles, but in the abstract sense...."
[weblogs]|19:16 Emily says, "oh, sure, it looked pretty daunting to me too"
[weblogs]|19:16 Grocible asks, "so who are these people you're discussing?"
[weblogs]|19:16 Grocible says, "having missed the source of the exceitement"
[weblogs]|19:17 Lucea says, " http://adamcadre.ac/calendar/14/14042.html "
[weblogs]|19:17 Doug says, "also the game is here: http://adamcadre.ac/if.html "
[weblogs]|19:18 Grocible says, "I hadn't heard of this"
[weblogs]|19:18 Grocible says, "but then I'm not in the proverbial loop"
[weblogs]|19:19 Grocible asks, "is he still getting money for a photopia screenplay?"
[weblogs]|19:19 Jota asks (of Groc), "Haven't really been up to date with Adam since the mid-eighties?"
[weblogs]|19:19 Grocible says, "Jota: ATDT"
[weblogs]|19:20 lpsmith says, "I realized when I saw that bit of the interview that I remembered what that stood for:  ATtention; Dial Tone"
[news]|19:20 Allen says, "it doesn't give details on the dates"
[weblogs]|19:20 Grocible asks, "yeah. sad, isn't it?"
[weblogs]|19:20 Grocible says, "the Hayes legacy"
[news]|19:21 Allen says, "looks like the statute of limitations on criminal charges was 3 years for crimes committed before 2010"
[weblogs]|19:21 lpsmith says, "Only I must have come to it later than Adam, because the next thing I remember typing is 'CONNECT 2400'."
[news]|19:21 Allen says, "now the sol is eliminated"
[weblogs]|19:21 Grocible says, "the first modem I used was 110 baud"
[weblogs]|19:21 vimes says, "+++ATH"
[weblogs]|19:21 Grocible says, "that was freakin' glacial"
[weblogs]|19:21 vimes says (to Grocible), "no kidding - you could out-whistle it, to say nothing of out-typing it"
[weblogs]|19:21 Grocible says, "slower than reading speed"
[weblogs]|19:22 Grocible says, "I used t{ ha{e line noise"
[news]|19:22 McMartin says, "Also, they were both minors during the entire extent of the accusations"
[news]|19:22 McMartin says, "The only upshot of this is making jury selection way harder"
[weblogs]|19:22 vimes says, "BONG BONG chirp chirp warble hissssssssssss"
[news]|19:26 Allen says (to McMartin), "yes, but florida is happy to charge minors with serious felonies"
[news]|19:27 Allen says, "oh, wait, these took place in Virginia"
[lounge]|19:27 Grocible says, "aw man. these awesome power station cooling towers I wanted to photograph one day were knocked down"
[cabal]|19:28 Emily says, "in totally unrelated news, it strikes me that Linden has way more women and way fewer people with visibly alternative social function than previous game-y places I have worked"
[cabal]|19:29 Grocible asks, "visibly alternative social function?"
[news]|19:29 Allen asks, "why is Florida releasing this news, then?"
[cabal]|19:30 Emily says (to Grocible), "well -- I mean nearly everyone I know there makes eye contact, speaks at a normal volume, follows fairly conventional conversation patterns, and so on"
[news]|19:30 McMartin says, "Florida is where the trial is happening, because it is where the shooting happened."
[cabal]|19:30 Grocible says, "heh"
[cabal]|19:31 Emily says, "wears clean and reasonably attractive clothing to work, even, a lot of the time"
[cabal]|19:31 Grocible says, "freaky"
[cabal]|19:31 Grocible says, "I hope you're doing something about this"
[cabal]|19:31 Emily says, "ha ha ha"
[cabal]|19:31 Grocible says, "like turning up in chain mail armour"
[weblogs]|19:31 Ellison says, "I think E,N does some cool things, but the hint system mechanic was easily broken, depending on how you play the game. I think it could have been designed a bit better, like, saving to a configuration file or something to keep track of what has been attempted."
[cabal]|19:31 Emily says, "well of course I am doing my bit to lower the average just by being there"
[cabal]|19:31 Grocible says, "aw"
[cabal]|19:31 Grocible says, "I didn't mean that!"
[cabal]|19:31 Emily says, "I know :)"
[cabal]|19:32 Emily says, "the reason this occurs to me is that when I was at this IF conference in Boston there were several moments where I was like "...oh, yeah, I remember why geek social interaction can be draining sometimes""
[cabal]|19:33 inky says, "oh, heh"
[cabal]|19:33 inky says, "I assumed 'alternate social function' meant they were goths"
[cabal]|19:33 Emily says, "ha ha ha"
[cabal]|19:33 Emily says, "no"
[cabal]|19:34 Grocible says, "yeah I was thinking utilikilts or massive amounts of piercing hardware or something"
[weblogs]|19:35 DavidW says, "belatedly reading the discussion here, I seem to recall just getting too exhausted to finish the thing."
[cabal]|19:35 Emily says, "Firion was definitely an extreme outlier at the conference but there was also a certain amount of other stuff where it seemed like everyone got too awkward to speak, or whatever"
[weblogs]|19:35 DavidW says, "E,N was filled with 'I don't know what to do next' moments."
[news]|19:36 Allen says, "yes, but it has nothing to do with the shooting, and wouldn't be admissable evidence"
[weblogs]|19:36 lpsmith says, "Which are exactly what Adam says he doesn't like about IF."
[news]|19:36 Allen says, "and it occurred in another state"
[weblogs]|19:36 inky says, "hunh, you have the most endurance I know for puzzles"
[cabal]|19:36 Emily says, "he followed up with me on the mud (after the dinner where he sat next to me singing to himself and rocking to and fro) to say that he had been anxious because there were questions he wanted to ask me but feared I would get angry about. But he didn't want to ask them online either. Maybe later."
[cabal]|19:36 Grocible says, "oh dear"
[weblogs]|19:37 DavidW says (to inky), "I did get rather far into it, but I have other things I have to do in my life besides play IF, alas."
[cabal]|19:37 lpsmith asks (of Emily), "I have been led to believe that this kind of behavior is endearing?"
[news]|19:37 McMartin says, "The thing I saw mentioned discovery, but I thought that was only for civil trials and I'm not sure why it would have come up here, yeah"
[cabal]|19:37 Emily says, "so now I am not sure whether a) his social anxiety is so strong that he is scared of asking me perfectly polite and normal IF-related questions or whether b) for some reason he wants to know something that I would genuinely prefer not to talk about, in which case gah"
[weblogs]|19:37 baf says, "Bummer."
[weblogs]|19:37 DavidW says, "I'll probably return to the game eventually."
[cabal]|19:37 Emily asks (of lpsmith), "uh, by whom?"
[cabal]|19:38 lpsmith says, "I would vote for a)."
[cabal]|19:38 Emily says, "I gathered he did sort of over-inquire into the lives of some women on the mud in the past, but I am not sure exactly what that entailed"
[cabal]|19:38 Grocible says, "he's dazzled by being in the presence of a woman"
[weblogs]|19:38 Doug says, "that's ironic, since Adam says this: 'A lot of the time I just find myself reading the opening bit and thinking, "Okay, so? to make this keep going I have to type something? All right, fine? how about this? No? Then? this? Still no? Man, I don't have the energy for this. >QUIT"'"
[weblogs]|19:38 DavidW says, "The trouble with finishing long difficult games these days is that they're competing with smaller and easier games."
[cabal]|19:38 Jearl says, "I don't think Firion would be able to tell the difference between a question that is legit between acquaintances and one that is not"
[weblogs]|19:38 K-Y says, "that goes for the whole game industry"
[cabal]|19:39 Jearl says, "so he may think everything is an offensive question"
[weblogs]|19:39 Doug says, "I would say it goes for the whole entertainment industry, but movies and books still seem to be pretty long."
[cabal]|19:39 lpsmith says, "Or at least knows that he doesn't know the difference, so all bets are off from his perspective."
[cabal]|19:39 Emily says, "that seems possible"
[cabal]|19:39 Jearl says, "yeah"
[politics]|19:39 Allen | In another case, a human resources worker at the Office of Thrift Supervision was found to be using Treasury computers to set up meetings with prostitutes through Craigslist. According to the OIG probe, the HR worker -- who has since retired -- "acknowledged that he was aware he was soliciting for prostitution and stated he met with prostitutes on three occasions." On the plus side, the employee said he "did not provide any OTS or banking information to any prostitute."
[news]|19:39 McMartin says, "The issue though seemed to be not 'is it admissible evidence' - everyone agrees it's not - but 'does this have to be released into the public record because it came up' - and the answer there appears to be 'yes' even though nobody involved wanted it"
[weblogs]|19:40 DavidW says, "It's very fortunate that I didn't have to solve puzzles to read all of Harry Potter."
[cabal]|19:40 Grocible says, "or he's been on the mud long enough that he thinks it must be reasonable to ask about breasts"
[weblogs]|19:40 Doug says, "probably people don't have time for long games because they're spending it watching long movies."
[weblogs]|19:40 inky says, "I guess even reading is a lot of work"
[weblogs]|19:40 inky says, "compared to watching a movie"
[weblogs]|19:40 Doug says, "not if you're vimes!"
[weblogs]|19:40 K-Y says, "I don't have time for long movies because of long games"
[cabal]|19:40 Emily says, "it seems like it ought to be possible to develop some kind of intellectual heuristic for these things, even if you don't instinctively grasp them (coding questions: yes. questions about color of underwear: no). but maybe I underestimate the complexity of the problem."
[weblogs]|19:40 baf says, "Man. A puzzle story set at Hogwarts would be awesome."
[cabal]|19:41 lpsmith says, "The first problem is 'knowing where to begin', one presumes."
[cabal]|19:41 Jearl says, "asking about hobbies: ok. Asking about schedule of hobbies and why weren't you on the MUD Wednesday: not ok"
[weblogs]|19:41 Grocible says, "hm"
[weblogs]|19:41 inky asks, "did you play Flourish's?"
[weblogs]|19:41 DavidW asks (of baf), "Have you played Muggle Stories yet?"
[weblogs]|19:41 Grocible says, "a work acquaintance went to the Harry Potter movie set tour"
[cabal]|19:41 Emily says, "yeah"
[weblogs]|19:41 inky asks, "alternately, did you paly that one AIF game?"
[weblogs]|19:41 baf says, "Start from the premise that the sorting hat puts Harry into Ravenclaw..."
[weblogs]|19:41 Grocible says, "and there are pictures of her and her siblings all wearing Potter T-shirts"
[weblogs]|19:41 baf says (to DavidW), "No."
[cabal]|19:41 Jearl says, "and that seems like it could be a tough boundary to discern"
[cabal]|19:41 Emily says, "possibly"
[news]|19:42 McMartin says, "I can't dig very far with just elinks though"
[weblogs]|19:42 Grocible says, "like KEEP CALM AND KILL THE DARK LORD"
[news]|19:42 McMartin says, "Will check on this later"
[weblogs]|19:42 Grocible asks, "baf: what about the loser house?"
[weblogs]|19:42 Grocible says, "hufflepuff or whatever"
[cabal]|19:42 Emily says, "he also jumped and said EXCUSE ME in a very loud voice when (I guess) I accidentally slightly nudged his leg with my knee -- I didn't feel anything at all at that juncture -- but I understand some people are much more sensitive to sensory input"
[cabal]|19:42 Emily says, "I dunno"
[cabal]|19:43 Grocible says, "no that definitely just sounds like panic excitement"
[weblogs]|19:43 inky says, "they're not losers! they're very loyal to their friends!"
[cabal]|19:43 Emily says, "it was a situation where I wanted not to make him uncomfortable but knew too little about his needs and preferences to be sure I was avoiding it. which I guess makes it reciprocal"
[weblogs]|19:43 baf says, "Hufflepuff would be more of a grind-fest I think."
[weblogs]|19:43 inky says, "which I assume means they don't complain when given wedgies"
[weblogs]|19:43 Grocible asks, "and they're all supposed to be slightly stout and badgerlike?"
[weblogs]|19:43 Grocible says, "badgeresque"
[weblogs]|19:43 Grocible says, "badgerene"
[weblogs]|19:43 DavidW says, "anyway, I agree that E,N didn't get much exposure at the time of its release."
[weblogs]|19:43 baf says, "Ravenclaw is the one where instead of asking you for a password, the portrait asks you a riddle."
[weblogs]|19:43 mwmiller says, "'hufflepuff or whatever', he says in all lowercase, pretending he didn't get the spelling exactly right."
[weblogs]|19:44 Grocible says, "I wasn't sure if it was huffelpuff or hufflepuff"
[weblogs]|19:44 Grocible says, "and couldn't be arsed to google it"
[weblogs]|19:49 inky says, "and the slytherin version is unwinnable and you have to edit your save file"
[weblogs]|19:51 Ellison says, "ha"
[Internet]|19:52 inky | And I don't know why you're saying that I said you said it wasn't political.
[news]|19:52 Jon | http://weblog.muledesign.com/2012/07/evening_edition.php
[news]|19:52 Jon says, "I like this idea."
[HarryPotter]|19:52 baf asks, "Hm. Who got picked for a house first, Ron or Hermione?"
[HarryPotter]|19:53 baf says, "(Was it alphabetical?)"
[news]|19:53 Matthew says, "They lost me in the first paragraph, sorry."
[weblogs]|19:53 Grocible says, "also, that grumpy hat from the movies looks like the pile of poo unicode glyph"
[HarryPotter]|19:53 DavidW says, "yes. Hermione was placed earlier than Ron."
[HarryPotter]|19:54 Matthew says, "It's alphabetical in the books, yeah, but not the movies."
[HarryPotter]|19:54 DavidW says, "(although the movie might be quite different)"
[HarryPotter]|19:54 baf says, "Hmph. There goes that alt-universe turning point."
[weblogs]|19:54 inky says (to Grocible), "whoah"
[news]|19:55 Jon says (to Matthew), "okay, just look at http://evening-edition.com/ then"
[HarryPotter]|19:55 inky asks, "wait, which one?"
[gameofthrones]|19:55 Doug | We also learned that The Monarch is a big Game of Thrones fan, but that Dr. Mrs. The Monarch is not.
[HarryPotter]|19:55 inky asks, "in this universe Ron is placed before Hermione and lords it over her for the rest of the series?"
[egoboost]|19:55 inky says, "I like ME too"
[egoboost]|19:55 lpsmith exclaims, "Ha!"
[HarryPotter]|19:56 baf says, "I had been thinking that maybe if the order was changed so that Hermione went first, she'd wind up in Ravenclaw (because that's obviously where the cleverest student in the school belongs) and then Harry and Ron would follow her. But if she's already first, that doesn't work."
[HarryPotter]|19:56 inky says, "oh, hmm"
[news]|19:56 mwmiller asks, "So this is the endgame of newsmedia consolidation -- one set of wire feeds edited by one person?"
[HarryPotter]|19:56 inky asks, "it's canonical that Harry could have gone to any of the houses, right?"
[HarryPotter]|19:56 DavidW says (to inky), "More or less."
[HarryPotter]|19:57 baf says, "Possibly all students could."
[HarryPotter]|19:57 inky says, "I thought there was some specific thing where the hat wasn't sure about Harry"
[HarryPotter]|19:57 inky says, "or is the deal that we don't really see the monologue for anyone else but him"
[news]|19:57 Jon says, "the idea is it's a short summary of the day's news"
[HarryPotter]|19:58 lpsmith says, "Both, yes."
[HarryPotter]|19:58 DavidW says, "We get the monologue for Harry but we learn much later that Hermoine was considered for Ravenclaw and Neville for Hufflepuff."
[news]|19:58 McMartin says, "How is this not the Drudge Report with the same set of obvious fatal flaws"
[HarryPotter]|19:59 baf says, "There's a scene in one of the later books where Harry tells Dumbledore that the hat wanted to put him in Slytherin and Harry is worried that that's where he really belongs, and Dumbledore basically says no, the fact that you resisted it means that you don't belong there."
[news]|19:59 inky says, "this one has a pug"
[HarryPotter]|19:59 DavidW says, "(Draco didn't wear the hat long enough to get a hat-monologue)"
[HarryPotter]|19:59 inky says, "ha ha"
[news]|19:59 Jon says, "I don't really know what the Drudge Report is."
[HarryPotter]|19:59 inky says, "the hat touches his head and says "Slytherin. next!""
[HarryPotter]|19:59 DavidW says, "yup"
[news]|20:00 Jon asks, "but I guess my point is all newspapers are engaged in editing and curation; we trust the NY Times editorial staff to pick the right stories, don't we?"
[news]|20:00 Matthew says (to Jon), "I don't."
[HarryPotter]|20:00 baf says, "With Draco it was presumably 'Well, your father was in sSlytherin...' 'Slytherin? Great, just what I wanted! See ya!'"
[HarryPotter]|20:00 inky asks, "so if you *want* to be in slytherin, does that mean you're a slytherin automatically, as the flipside of what Dumbledore said?"
[news]|20:00 Matthew asks (of Jon), "Also, seriously, you've never even looked at the Drudge Report?  Not once?"
[HarryPotter]|20:01 inky says, "or does the hat sometimes say "enh, you'd be backstabbed in a week, you're going to hufflepuff""
[HarryPotter]|20:01 DavidW says, "I don't think we ever learn why the Patil twins went to two different houses."
[news]|20:01 Allen says, "the website design hasn't changed since 1996!"
[news]|20:01 Jon says, "sure I have. And I say 'what is this i dont even' and close it."
[HarryPotter]|20:01 inky says, "they probably didn't want to go to the same house as their twin"
[news]|20:01 Jon says, "that man needs to learn how typography works"
[news]|20:01 lpsmith says, "I've never looked at the Drudge report."
[HarryPotter]|20:01 zarf says, "presumably if your ambition is to be in Slytherin, that counts for a lot. If your ambition is to be in some other house, it gets more complciated."
[HarryPotter]|20:01 DavidW says (to inky), "I can buy that."
[news]|20:01 lpsmith says, "(but I also never look at any news-ish things like it, so this is not a huge data point)"
[news]|20:02 Matthew says (to Jon), "Yeah, you're right.  His website has only survived 16 years, so he must be doing something wrong."
[politics]|20:02 DorianX says, "Romney announced that he isn't going to release any more tax returns"
[politics]|20:02 DorianX says, "he gave as his reason: "Because they will hurt my chances of winning""
[politics]|20:03 inky says, "I bet he will eventually"
[politics]|20:03 inky says, "although I'm not sure exactly what his reluctance is"
[news]|20:03 Allen says, "anyway if I want to see links to other news articles I'd as soon go to fark where people snark about it"
[politics]|20:03 Matthew asks (of inky), "What reason has Obama given for not releasing his school records?"
[politics]|20:03 DorianX says (to inky), "It's an open secret that he makesa HUGE amount of money but uses tax loopholes to only pay taxes on a very modest income"
[politics]|20:03 Allen asks, "uh, school records?"
[politics]|20:04 Matthew says (to DorianX), "Open secret, meaning no one can prove it because it probably didn't actually happen."
[politics]|20:04 Allen asks, "why would school records be at all relevant?"
[politics]|20:04 inky asks (of DorianX), "right, but don't the last two years show that?"
[politics]|20:04 DorianX says (to matthew), "Obama isn't campaigning on his school records"
[politics]|20:04 Allen asks, "has any candidate ever released their school records?"
[politics]|20:04 Matthew asks (of DorianX), "Romney is campaigning on his tax returns?"
[news]|20:04 McMartin says (to Matthew), "The obvious fatal flaw with the Drudge Report is not that it can't survive, but that the main media outlets start using him as a reference and you get a single editorial viewpoint dominating elsewhere"
[politics]|20:04 inky asks (of Allen), "well, how do we know Obama event went to school?"
[news]|20:04 Matthew says (to McMartin), "That's the media outlets' fault, then, not Matt Drudge's."
[politics]|20:04 DorianX says (to inky), "(a) he's known he was running these years , and (b) what people really want are the Bain capital ones"
[politics]|20:04 inky says, "I have a book saying he was seen at a university of phoenix graduating ceremony"
[politics]|20:04 Allen says, "I mean, leaked school records are fun"
[politics]|20:05 inky says, "(er, s/event/even)"
[politics]|20:05 Allen says, "heaven knows Al Gore's and George Bush's provided lots of entertainment"
[politics]|20:05 lpsmith says (to inky), "And gave a speech about toothpaste and sunscreen, I think."
[politics]|20:05 Allen says, "not to mention Rick Perry"
[politics]|20:05 inky says, "hee hee"
[politics]|20:05 Johnny says (to Allen), "You did!"
[politics]|20:05 McMartin says, "Also, tradition tends towards a significantly longer span of time covered, and yeah, there is this matter of two sworn statements that appear to contradict each other"
[politics]|20:05 inky asks (of DorianX), "so you mean you think his last two years show that he made a lot of money, but the earlier ones would show that he made even more money?"
[politics]|20:06 Matthew asks, "What's wrong with Romney making money?"
[politics]|20:06 McMartin says, "The other rumor is that he doesn't want to be pilloried as an abortion profiteer thanks to the Stericycle investments between 1999 and 2002, or doesn't want something like large donations to Planned parenthood"
[politics]|20:06 DorianX says (to inky), "I think that he has been more careful the past two years about keeping up appearancs, and that the tax info from his bain capital years would show some shady stuff"
[politics]|20:06 inky says (to Matthew), "well, the core thing I am wondering is why he doesn't want to release earlier records"
[politics]|20:06 McMartin says (to Matthew), "A good question! Yet he has yet to directly challenge this."
[politics]|20:06 Allen says, "you gotta wonder if there's something really embarrassing in there, though"
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:07 Jota says, "You know that a given name is out of date when most of the Google image serch results for it are paintings rather than photos."
[politics]|20:07 Johnny says (to Matthew), "I posit that you only like Drudge because it's sounds sort of like Judge Dredd, if you flipped it around and threw away some letters."
[politics]|20:07 DorianX says (to matthew), "He tried to deduct 50k in business losses for the olympic athelete he owns"
[politics]|20:07 Allen asks, "like, maybe he got rapped for not reporting money held in a foreign bank account?"
[politics]|20:07 inky says, "stuff like investing in Stericycle wouldn't show up in his tax returns, would it? like, that was Bain doing it so presumably he'd just show income from Bain"
[politics]|20:07 Johnny says (to Matthew), "I mean, because you have the same first name."
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:07 (from Jota) Jota says, "I guess I won't be naming my kid 'Mona Lisa' after all."
[politics]|20:07 Matthew says (to Johnny), "I honestly don't read The Drudge Report very often.  I was just shocked when it sounded like Jon had never even looked at it (which I apparently misinterpreted).  I thought everyone knew it."
[politics]|20:07 Allen says, "or maybe he did one of those amnesty deals, where you report income in foreign tax havens and then pay all the taxes at once, and the government agrees not to prosecute you"
[lounge]|20:07 Lucea is gonna get back baby bad balls to you, love, cretin.
[lounge]|20:07 * Lucea has disconnected.
[politics]|20:07 McMartin says (to inky), "Not sure how it would be structured. His signatures are actually on the relevant Stericycle documents"
[politics]|20:07 inky says (to Allen), "hmm"
[politics]|20:07 Allen says, "just speculating here. Maybe it's completely boring"
[politics]|20:08 McMartin says, "He also apparently submitted 23 years of returns to McCain's campaign in 2008"
[politics]|20:08 inky says, "the other thing that comes to mind that might show up on taxes are donations to the Mormon church, but -- wait, I know!"
[politics]|20:08 McMartin says (to inky), "Those donations being 'too low' is another theory, yeah"
[politics]|20:08 inky says, "maybe he donated to a democrat at some point and wrote it off on his taxes"
[politics]|20:08 Matthew says (to inky), "That wouldn't surprise me."
[politics]|20:09 McMartin says, "Planned Parenthood, specifically, has been floated several times since it's a fairly common donation target when you are a Massachussetts businessman."
[politics]|20:09 Matthew says, "Ugh."
[politics]|20:09 Fang says, "I suspect the main concern is profits from Bain during 1999-2002"
[politics]|20:09 inky says, "oh, hmm"
[politics]|20:09 DorianX says, "It is unlikely that he has done anything illegal that would show up on his taxes"
[politics]|20:09 Matthew says, "If Romney gave money to Planned Parenthood, I would lose what little respect I have for him."
[politics]|20:10 Fang says, "how terrible"
[politics]|20:10 DorianX says, "the real concern is that it will make him look like a rich, disconnected plutocrat who far from being a job creator, makes all his money destroying jobs and then hides the money so that he can not be made to contribute anything to society"
[politics]|20:10 DorianX says, "Hm."
[politics]|20:10 McMartin asks, "The 'controlling interest in medical-waste disposal firm including aborted fetuses' thing doesn't bother you though?"
[politics]|20:10 McMartin says, "That's the obvious thing to run from in that time frame"
[politics]|20:10 DorianX says, "It wouldcertainly confuse me if romney gave to planned parenthood"
[politics]|20:10 inky says (to DorianX), "right, I'm just trying to figure out how his taxes would demonstrate that"
[news]|20:10 Jon says (to Matthew), "because we all know the only criterion for whether something is successful is how little it offends my sense of style"
[politics]|20:10 DorianX says, "WHat with telling that woman that god wanted her to die"
[news]|20:10 Matthew says, "Uh."
[news]|20:11 Jon says, "Sorry, that was a little more snarky than I'd meant when I started typing."
[politics]|20:11 DorianX says (to inky), "something like 'Income=100,000,000 Taxes=$4.98. Charitable Contributions = $2"
[politics]|20:11 Matthew asks (of DorianX), "Is that really what you believe?"
[politics]|20:11 DorianX says, "ALso, if it turned out that his contributions to the mormon church were high enough, that might discourage the republican base"
[politics]|20:11 inky says, "yeah, ok, I guess if he has been paying the Buffet tax rate he might want to cover that up"
[politics]|20:11 McMartin says, "Paying more in tithes than taxes would be what we politely call 'bad optics'"
[news]|20:11 Matthew says (to Jon), "I apologize.  I thought you meant you'd never even seen the Drudge Report.  I misinterpreted what you said.  Sorry for being confusing."
[travel]|20:11 Allen | Federal authorities say joking about having a bomb is not funny. But that's apparently what a New York City doctor did last week in the passenger terminal of the Rochester Airport.
[travel]|20:12 Allen | It happened Friday morning at the Jet Blue ticket counter. The TSA says that Dr. Hany Mossad-Boktor was asked the standard question about having any firearms in his luggage, and he replied, "no, just a couple of bombs and a little dynamite, but it's no big deal."
[travel]|20:12 inky says, "ha ha ha"
[politics]|20:12 Matthew asks (of DorianX), "Why?"
[politics]|20:12 DorianX says (to matthew), "It's hyperbole, but he's *already* given up that his charityable contributions were 2% of his income and he paied an effective tax rate of 12%"
[travel]|20:12 inky says, "I hope those are authorities from the Federal Bureau of Comedy"
[politics]|20:12 DorianX says (to matthew), "Because quite a lot of them would object to him funding efforts to convert people to the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints"
[politics]|20:12 DorianX says, "Including dead people"
[travel]|20:13 inky says, "also not funny: jokes about chickens crossing the road, white people doing things like this while black people do things like this, and the one about the FBC director's grandmother"
[videogames]|20:13 maga says, "god damn it invisible gorillas"
[politics]|20:13 Allen asks, "was it 2%?"
[politics]|20:13 Matthew sighs.  "Okay, the religious bigotry and conspiracy theories are coming out now, so I'm done."
[politics]|20:13 inky says, "people in chicago in particular would be very upset about dead people becoming mormons, because then who knows how they'd vote"
[news]|20:13 Johnny says, "Okay, it does look like ass, but I like "DEMS TO USE 'BATMAN' AGAINST ROMNEY""
[politics]|20:13 Allen says, "I thought there was a news report that he gave like 20%"
[politics]|20:13 DorianX says, "THis isn't about religious bigotry. I'm not accusing his suppots of being bigots right now"
[politics]|20:14 McMartin says, "Evangelical hostility towards Mormons is not exactly news or even controversial"
[lounge]|20:14 jenrexrode yawns widely.
[politics]|20:14 DorianX says, "*I* think we should be reluctant about electing anyone who gives too much money to ay church, but that's neither here nor there."
[politics]|20:14 McMartin says, "The degree to which that has been muted is actually kind of unusual, though I notice the ones that aren't also seem to be backing Ron Paul"
[politics]|20:14 Allen | The Romneys donated about 16.4 percent of their adjusted gross income of $42.5 million in the two-year period, according to their 2010 tax returns and an estimate for 2011 taxes. The 2010 return shows $3 million in charitable contributions, and the 2011 estimate shows $4 million.
[lounge]|20:14 genericgeekgirl throws a too-large-to-choke-on strawberry in Jen's mouth.
[lounge]|20:15 K-Y says, "restart"
[lounge]|20:15 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|20:15 * K-Y has disconnected.
[politics]|20:15 Allen says (to inky), "ha"
[politics]|20:15 DorianX says (to mcm), "THings are going to get werird if Romney loses, because the evangelicals, the catholics, and the mormons have all thrown in together behind him, and those are not groups with a history of liking each other"
[politics]|20:15 inky says (to Allen), "oh, I thought 2% was a typo and DorianX meant that he was giving more in charity than in taxes"
[politics]|20:15 inky says, "hunh"
[politics]|20:15 baf says, "I think of Kennedy. At the time, there were a lot of people who fretted about having a Catholic president."
[politics]|20:16 inky asks, "ok, so here is an obvious thing I hadn't thought about: isn't there traditionally an inaugural blessing when the president is sworn in or something?"
[politics]|20:16 Allen says, "Kennedy barely squeaked by"
[politics]|20:16 McMartin says, "Wait, if they donated 16.4% and paid about 14% in taxes, he *did* give more in charity than taxes"
[politics]|20:16 Allen asks, "wasn't 1960 the closest election in the past century?"
[politics]|20:16 baf says, "Wouldn't surprise me."
[politics]|20:17 McMartin says, "Officials in general, but as a nation that still does separation of church and state there are protocols for getting around it"
[politics]|20:17 inky says, "I wonder what the latest numbers are for catholics on those "I wouldn't vote for a _____" polls"
[politics]|20:17 Allen says, "it's widely considered that Daley's voter manipulation together with LBJ's in Texas was what kept us from having Nixon is president"
[politics]|20:17 Allen says, "LBJ's was famous. He was nicknamed Landslide Lyndon"
[politics]|20:18 inky asks, "was it gerrymandering?"
[politics]|20:18 Allen says, "because he only got elected after someone discovered a box of ballots that were 95% for him, several days after the election"
[politics]|20:18 DorianX says, "(That 2% number is one of the ones I heard for "Not counting contributions to the mormon church)"
[politics]|20:18 inky says, "oh ah"
[lounge]|20:18 Rob comes right on in.
[politics]|20:18 McMartin says, "Gerrymandering shouldn't have an effect on presidential numbers"
[lounge]|20:18 Rob says, "zrbrloj"
[lounge]|20:18 Rob says, "also hi-ho"
[lounge]|20:18 Johnny says, "Hi Rob"
[lounge]|20:18 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Rob"
[lounge]|20:18 inky's arrived just in time. A rogue cult has resurrected a necromancer named Azazael, who intends to enslave mankind through the five Gems of Zator, artifacts of great power.
[lounge]|20:18 inky says, "whoops"
[lounge]|20:18 inky says, "I hope I haven't been there all day"
[lounge]|20:19 Rob says, "inky's arrived just in time"
[lounge]|20:19 Johnny says, "Hi inky"
[politics]|20:19 Allen | In addition to their church donations, the Romneys had deductions for more than $2 million in donations that are listed as noncash charitable contributions.
[lounge]|20:19 Rob says, "where were you at"
[lounge]|20:19 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi inky"
[politics]|20:19 Allen says, "that's 1/3rd of their total donations"
[politics]|20:19 inky asks, "does cash mean cash there?"
[politics]|20:19 inky asks, "or does it mean money?"
[politics]|20:19 Rob asks, "when does cash not mean cash? when it's a jar?"
[politics]|20:19 Allen says, "looks like donated stocks"
[politics]|20:19 Johnny says, "PayPal"
[lounge]|20:19 jenrexrode says, "hi rob & inky"
[politics]|20:19 inky says, "aha"
[politics]|20:20 McMartin says, "Money as opposed to, uh, negotiable securities or something, I guess"
[politics]|20:20 Allen | From a tax perspective, it makes sense for the Romneys to use shares of stock to make charitable donations, Mayer said. If someone donates shares that have increased in value, they can deduct the contribution while avoiding the 15 percent capital gains tax they would have to pay otherwise.
[yak]|20:20 Rob says, "I was about to come right on in and say on this channel that no one #yaks any more, but I recapped first and there's all this conversation"
[yak]|20:20 Emily says, "doh!"
[lounge]|20:21 nm, Whitehead and Russell reveal themselves as complete amateurs
[lounge]|20:21 nm says, "hi"
[lounge]|20:21 inky says, "hey hey"
[lounge]|20:21 nm is mercifully no longer in Orlando
[lounge]|20:21 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[politics]|20:21 Allen says, "meanwhile:"
[politics]|20:21 DorianX says, "This is like contributing Uve Boll movies"
[lounge]|20:21 K-Y says, "there"
[lounge]|20:21 jenrexrode says, "hi nm"
[politics]|20:21 Allen | Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign.
[cabal]|20:21 Emily says, "mrm. okay, I have just done this online threat assessment thing that Gavin de Becker developed, based on what I know about the situation, and it is not exactly making me more sanguine about my sister's issues"
[cabal]|20:21 Emily says, "maybe I need to make her sit down and fill it out more completely when she gets home"
[politics]|20:22 Allen says, "thogh, that's not as funny as Al Gore's charitable contributions. There was one year when he reported under $250 in charity, compared to huge amounts by the Clintons"
[cabal]|20:22 Jota says, "On the plus side, at least you and she are in this together now."
[politics]|20:22 inky says, "man"
[cabal]|20:22 Emily asks, "in it together in what sense?"
[cabal]|20:22 Rob says, "huh, Firion"
[politics]|20:22 McMartin says, "The charity stuff is largely a red herring"
[politics]|20:22 DorianX says, "Yeah, donating 1% of $1 million totally makes you a bad person, unlike donating 16% of 42 million"
[politics]|20:22 Allen says, "I just remember an editorial cartoon of the time, with a homeless guy saying "Brother, can you spare a dime?" to Gore, and him responding, "Sure. Got change for a quarter?""
[cabal]|20:22 Emily says, "I don't know that she'll pay attention"
[cabal]|20:22 Jota says (to Emily), "In the sense that it is you and she against him, rather than you against her and him like when they were actually together."
[politics]|20:23 McMartin says, "Unless it's being used to do guilt-by-association, actual amounts are kind of silly there"
[politics]|20:23 DorianX says, "Ofc, if obama had contributed 50% of his salary, I imagine fox news would be asking Tough Questions about his ties to Radical Left-Wing Charitites"
[politics]|20:23 McMartin says, "Alternately, offended by obvious ploys to dodge the taxes he's crushing everyone else with"
[cabal]|20:23 inky says, "oh, ok"
[yak]|20:24 Rob says, "wow michigan esoterica"
[cabal]|20:24 inky says, "I was thinking you meant something like "if he tries to torch the house, you're both living there!""
[cabal]|20:24 Emily says, "yeah that is how I read it too"
[cabal]|20:24 Jota says, "oh, sorry, no."
[lounge]|20:24 Hugo utilizes his advanced knowledge of physics to enter the lounge.
[politics]|20:24 Allen | The Obamas increased the amount they gave to charity when their income rose in 2005 and 2006 after the Illinois senator published a bestselling book. The $137,622 they gave over those two years amounted to more than 5 percent of their $2.6 million income.
[cabal]|20:24 Jota says, "I was just thinking back to the earlier issues with this guy, when she was still dating him."
[yak]|20:24 Rob says, "I miss seeing dfan and liza"
[yak]|20:24 Rob says, "and their cocktail cabinet"
[yak]|20:24 inky says, "ha ha"
[cabal]|20:25 Jota says, "And how 'creepy dangerous ex is creepy and dangerous' is still a step forward from 'creepy dangerous boyfriend is creepy and dangerous'."
[yak]|20:25 Emily says, "their new house is even cooler than the previous one, and there is a grand piano and an every-flavor-liquor cabinet"
[yak]|20:25 Emily says, "also a nice patio where we had some outdoor meals"
[yak]|20:25 Rob says, "aw man a grand piano"
[yak]|20:26 Rob says, "I didn't know they'd moved"
[yak]|20:26 Emily says, "yeah, recently, after liza sold her company"
[yak]|20:26 Emily says, "from half-a-house to all of a house"
[politics]|20:26 Allen says, "wow, it looks like Cheney was the real generous one"
[yak]|20:26 Emily says, "allowing them to play louder instruments at more hours of the night, I think"
[yak]|20:26 Rob says, "I am remembering the last meetup I visited them where they made me some awesome cocktails and then we played Hard Rain and made jokes and I felt more unbuttoned and relaxed than at any other time that weekend"
[politics]|20:26 Allen says, "in 2006, he donated 300% of his income to charity"
[yak]|20:27 Rob says, "oh, liza sold her company"
[yak]|20:27 Emily says, "it is also even nearer the T stop than the previous one"
[politics]|20:27 McMartin says, "Not really sustainable there"
[yak]|20:27 Emily says, "yeah, she did a similar deal to me, where she got bought-and-hired"
[yak]|20:27 inky says, "to o'reilly, I think"
[yak]|20:27 Rob asks, "I think I knew about that but then it floated down the river of recollection. who bought it?"
[yak]|20:27 Emily says, "Safari Books"
[yak]|20:27 inky says, "oh, whoops"
[yak]|20:27 Rob says, "ok yeah I did know about that"
[politics]|20:27 inky says, "ha ha"
[politics]|20:28 Allen says, "in the 2008 primaries:"
[yak]|20:28 Rob says, "I had an email exchange with dfan within the last six months where we both said 'yeah, miss seein' ya' affirmational messages"
[politics]|20:28 Allen | McCain: 27 %
[politics]|20:28 Allen | Obama: 5.6 %
[politics]|20:28 Allen | Clinton 14.7 %
[politics]|20:28 Allen | Biden: 0.3 %
[cabal]|20:28 Emily says, "I guess what I think at this point is that we probably should make a report to the police and possibly also should consult someone professional and consider moving, or consider *her* moving at least"
[politics]|20:28 jenrexrode says, "I wonder if he did that to create a net operating loss to carry back to years he was in a hight tax bracket.."
[cabal]|20:28 Rob says, "man"
[politics]|20:28 Allen says, "wow:"
[cabal]|20:28 Emily says, "I don't have any special fear that her ex or his new girlfriend is likely to hurt me"
[politics]|20:28 Allen | Biden has a particularly stingy history -- right before the 2008 election USA Today reported that the Bidens donated an average $369 a year over the past 10 years.
[cabal]|20:28 Rob says, "what about hurting her"
[cabal]|20:28 Emily says, "well, yeah, that's the concern"
[cabal]|20:28 Rob says, "bleff. can't take it too seriously I guess"
[politics]|20:29 mwmiller says, "Well you know, Cheney *does* have a heart.  (Ever since March this year.)"
[cabal]|20:29 Emily says, "this MOSAIC system thing I just filled out indicated that it was a 7/10 of the threat scale and was "likely to escalate""
[politics]|20:29 McMartin asks, "Doesn't that translate directly to higher taxes paid?"
[politics]|20:29 Allen says, "it was like Al Gore over again. I thought any sensible politician would know it's important to build up some kinda record"
[cabal]|20:29 Emily says, "now possibly I did it wrong"
[cabal]|20:29 Emily says, "so I should persuade her to fill it in also"
[politics]|20:29 Rob asks, "he got his robotic heart replaced with another real one?"
[cabal]|20:29 Emily says, "with more accurate information"
[politics]|20:29 Allen says, "yeah. He has an actual beat again"
[cabal]|20:29 Hugo says, "Fucking people, man."
[cabal]|20:29 Jota asks, "At what point does it become possible for him to be put safely behind bars?"
[politics]|20:29 Allen says, "it was allegedly possibly a minor scandal that he got a real donor heart"
[politics]|20:29 Rob says, "aw, because that was so fitting that he was alive without a pulse"
[cabal]|20:29 Emily says (to Jota), "I don't know"
[politics]|20:29 Rob says, "I didn't hear about this at all until just now"
[politics]|20:30 Allen says, "but everyone insisted the heart donor program is insanely regulated and is almost impossible to rig"
[cabal]|20:30 Emily says, "I don't know if we reported what we have now whether that would result in him going away for a long time (good) or him receiving a weak warning and feeling an even greater sense of grievance (very bad)"
[cabal]|20:30 Rob says, "yeah ugh"
[cabal]|20:31 Emily says, "he has somehow twisted around a situation in which my sister was cheated on, lied to, assaulted, and lost a pregnancy she didn't even know had commenced into one where he is the injured party"
[politics]|20:31 K-Y says, "of course, soon they'll have to reboot in order to make him have a glowing chest battery to match the movies"
[politics]|20:31 Rob says, "it is possible he waited his turn while a robot churned his circulatory system"
[politics]|20:31 jenrexrode says, "I can't remember if you really can use charitable contributions to creat an NOL."
[politics]|20:31 mwmiller says, "Everyone also insisted you can't be either in the Legislative or Executive branch based on personal convenience."
[politics]|20:31 Rob says, "what's an NOL"
[cabal]|20:31 Hugo says, "Very little of what I say should ever be taken seriously, but sometimes there's a point where a solid braining is the best option."
[politics]|20:31 jenrexrode says, "net operatiing loss"
[cabal]|20:31 Hugo says, "Difficulty varying, of course, based on the size of that target."
[cabal]|20:32 Rob says, "this guy sounds like a really bad seed"
[cabal]|20:32 Emily says, "yeah, I may regret adding to the list of witnesses to this statement, but this is the first time in my life I have ever seriously thought about how someone would be better off not existing and having detailed fantasies about how I could remove him from the realm of the living"
[politics]|20:32 Rob asks, "isn't creating an NOL out of charitable contributions the whole motivation for charitable contributions among the filthy rich?"
[cabal]|20:32 lpsmith says, "Wait, a lost pregnancy?  Man."
[politics]|20:33 Rob says, "kind of like movie studios never making a net profit out of gigantic hits"
[cabal]|20:33 Rob says, "blrgh"
[cabal]|20:33 Emily says (to lpsmith), "I may not have mentioned this part here, and it's not something I'm, like, broadcasting (especially not to my parents, who don't know), but: after this guy's other woman beat my sister up, five days later she had what she realized had to be a miscarriage. she had not known she was pregnant"
[cabal]|20:33 Emily says, "we took her to urgent care and they confirmed that it had been."
[cabal]|20:33 Jearl asks, "what does the guy even want?"
[cabal]|20:33 Rob asks, "the other woman beat her up?"
[cabal]|20:33 Emily says (to Rob), "yes"
[cabal]|20:34 Rob says, "wha whaaghhh whaarrr"
[politics]|20:34 jenrexrode says, "don't make me get out my Form 1045 Schedule A"
[cabal]|20:34 Hugo says, "I'd get the police involved."
[cabal]|20:34 Emily says, "punched her in the face, broke her glasses, knocked her down and kicked her repeatedly in the abdomen"
[cabal]|20:34 Rob says, "wah"
[cabal]|20:34 Emily says, "the police were called at that time but my sister did not press charges"
[politics]|20:34 Allen says, "hey, and here's a Daily Kos article on the year he gave $6.9 mil in charity"
[politics]|20:34 Allen | Cheney's shady charitable contributions net $2 million refund
[cabal]|20:34 Rob says, "my face has contorted into a grimace"
[politics]|20:34 Allen | By exploiting a law that was meant for people to donate to Katrina relief, Cheney was able to net a $2,000,000 tax refund.
[cabal]|20:34 Jearl says, "yeah this is awful"
[cabal]|20:34 Hugo says, "(That is, assuming the documentation of problems extends past the non-pressed charges.)"
[cabal]|20:35 Emily says, "yeah, it's not the kind of story I would really have believed was plausible until it happened"
[cabal]|20:35 Rob says, "and I feel a slight sense of being physically sick"
[politics]|20:35 Allen says, "or, you know, he could have just kept the $6.9 million. But being a scheming, evil bastard that wouldn't be right"
[politics]|20:35 jenrexrode says, "uh oh, Katrina.  He probably took that extra deduction for letting displaced people live with you."
[politics]|20:35 Allen | I just fucking hate him.  Scheming, selfish, arrogant, lying, smug, law breaking, law exploiting war criminal.
[cabal]|20:35 Hugo says, "And with the understanding that the initial police involvement maybe ineffective.  I.e., in my experience, they'll sometimes 'go have a talk with him', etc."
[cabal]|20:35 Emily says, "this is what led to the depression and the suicidal ideation and the quitting the one part time job she had and months of therapy"
[politics]|20:35 McMartin says (to Allen), "The thing is, with Cheney, I can't tell"
[cabal]|20:36 Hugo says, "To which I rarely listen, etc."
[cabal]|20:36 Emily says (to Hugo), "right, and what I've read about that suggests that that action makes things worse, not better"
[cabal]|20:36 Hugo says, "But most importantly, the *next* time there's trouble the police will actually do something."
[politics]|20:36 McMartin says, "Once you hit the point of 'shoot guy in face, have him apologize to you for getting in the way of your bullets' you're *already* at cartoonish supervillainy"
[cabal]|20:36 Emily says, "that basically you need to have no contact at all OR put him behind bars, but not something in the middle"
[cabal]|20:36 Rob says, "your smart beautiful sister, why is she reaping this"
[politics]|20:36 McMartin says, "And 'it isn't right to let the government keep that $2M, they'll just use it on Big Government' wouldn't be out of place in a distressing number of places."
[politics]|20:36 inky says, "#belated wait, I've heard multiple stories about famous people jumping in queues for organ donations"
[politics]|20:37 inky says, "like wosshisface the alcoholic baseball player who got a new liver and then died a couple years later"
[cabal]|20:37 Emily says, "when I think about this in detail is when I go back to the fantasy alternate solutions to the problem, of which I think the most satisfying involves a sharp object to his groin and femoral artery"
[politics]|20:37 jenrexrode asks, "mickey mantel?"
[cabal]|20:37 Rob says, "I'm movie-reminded of the freaky boyfriend of claire danes in The Rainmaker"
[cabal]|20:37 Emily says, "it is fairly clear that his other woman was reacting in part to a big web of lies he told"
[cabal]|20:37 Emily says, "to her"
[politics]|20:37 inky says, "yeah"
[weblogs]|20:38 Johnny says, "I like this one:"
[weblogs]|20:38 Johnny | What would you ask Andrew if you had the chance to grill him?
[weblogs]|20:38 inky asks, "mustard?"
[cabal]|20:38 Rob says, "why does she hook up with dangerous guys"
[weblogs]|20:38 zarf says, "yes please"
[cabal]|20:38 Hugo says, "Re: the two options above, though, clearly having no contact isn't working."
[cabal]|20:38 Emily says (to Rob), "I have no fucking clue"
[cabal]|20:38 Rob says, "it sounds fatuous to ask but I wonder"
[weblogs]|20:38 DavidW asks, "Regular, dijon, or honey mustard?"
[cabal]|20:38 inky says, "as I recall this guy originally stopped some other guy from hassling her"
[cabal]|20:38 Hugo says (to Rob), "Grow a goatee, get a tattoo, and check back here."
[politics]|20:38 jenrexrode says (to brain), "How do you know these things?  Too bad you can't spell."
[cabal]|20:38 inky says, "so possibly he seemed like a good guy"
[weblogs]|20:38 DorianX exclaims, "It's a COOKING SIM! A COOKING SIM!"
[weblogs]|20:39 inky says, "ha ha"
[cabal]|20:39 Rob says (to inky), "blahmrf"
[cabal]|20:39 Emily says, "I am trying really hard not to be victim-blaming but I can't help thinking about the gazillion billion times I begged her to leave him and pointed out that his behavior was crammed with red flags"
[cabal]|20:39 Rob says, "yeah"
[cabal]|20:39 Emily says, "and that she deserved better"
[weblogs]|20:39 zarf says, "When I was typing up answers to 'what question would you ask Emily if you had the chance', we were both hanging out here"
[cabal]|20:39 Rob says, "now's not the time for that"
[cabal]|20:39 Emily says, "though I would never in my worst nightmares have imagined that it would end *this* badly"
[weblogs]|20:39 inky says, "ha ha"
[cabal]|20:39 Rob says, "but it's like inviting a vampire over your threshold or something"
[weblogs]|20:39 inky says, "oh, I didn't realize this was a group thing"
[cabal]|20:39 Emily says, "*this* badly is not really in the territory I thought could happen"
[politics]|20:39 McMartin says, "NO ROOM FOR SPELLING, MORE ROOM FOR FACTS"
[politics]|20:39 jenrexrode says, "heh heh"
[cabal]|20:39 Emily says (to inky), "yeah, but... there were so many events after that initial event"
[cabal]|20:40 inky says, "yeah"
[cabal]|20:40 Rob says, "gah, well, I wish for the best outcome possible"
[cabal]|20:40 Hugo says, "You'd think it would be clear by now that they can't fix us."
[lounge]|20:40 Rob says, "ok, time to go"
[lounge]|20:40 Rob says, "once again"
[lounge]|20:40 Rob moseys right on out.
[Olympics]|20:41 Bishop says, "Yay, Sarah Robles got a sponsor."
[Olympics]|20:41 inky asks, "is she a boxer? or a weightlifter?"
[Olympics]|20:41 Bishop says, "Weightlifter."
[Olympics]|20:41 Bishop says, "Been in the news a lot mostly for being not the sort of athelete anyone sponsors."
[Olympics]|20:42 inky says, "yeah"
[Olympics]|20:42 inky says, "I saw a "the strongest woman in america lives in poverty" headline"
[lounge]|20:42 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[Windows]|20:42 Hugo says, "Yikes, the new Office has those all-caps menus, too."
[Windows]|20:43 Fang asks, "all caps menus?"
[Windows]|20:43 Johnny says, "Yeah, it's not the same since Steve Carell left."
[Windows]|20:43 inky says, "ha ha"
[English]|20:44 jenrexrode says, "argh, disabmiguating mantel and mantle is making me tired"
[Windows]|20:44 Hugo says (to Fang), "Yeah."
[weblogs]|20:44 Emily says (to zarf), "wait, where did that bit appear? I don't see it"
[Windows]|20:44 Hugo says, "I noticed them first in the previews of the new VS."
[politics]|20:45 Allen | Anthony Weiner's not shrinking from elected office.
[Windows]|20:45 Hugo says, "It looks...amateurish."
[weblogs]|20:45 Emily says, "as I am now naturally curious what you told them you wanted to ask me, that was nonetheless actually a lie, since you didn't ask it"
[politics]|20:45 Allen | The disgraced former congressman -- who's sitting on a $4.5 million campaign war chest -- is mulling a bid for citywide office next year and "seriously considering" a mayoral run, multiple sources told The Post.
[weblogs]|20:45 zarf says, "Did it not appear? Maybe it was left out, since my answer was boring"
[Windows]|20:45 Hugo says, "They probably blink, too, for all I know."
[Windows]|20:45 inky | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/06/05/a-design-with-all-caps.aspx
[weblogs]|20:45 Fang asks (of Emily), "did they seriously ask you the girlfriend question?"
[politics]|20:45 Allen | The cocky pol is also open to the post of public advocate as a backup plan, said sources, who described the Queens Democrat as "desperate" to get back into politics.
[politics]|20:45 Allen says, "the NY post, of course"
[weblogs]|20:45 Emily says (to Fang), "they asked me a question about collaborating on IF, which I answered straight"
[English]|20:45 jenrexrode says, "oh, i thought it was kos"
[weblogs]|20:46 Emily says, "girlfriends were not mentioned"
[weblogs]|20:46 zarf says, "I did not propose an actual question"
[English]|20:46 jenrexrode says, "ilac"
[weblogs]|20:46 Emily says, "aha"
[Windows]|20:46 Hugo says, "Yeah, I think I read that."
[politics]|20:46 Allen | "The general feeling is that you can't text pictures of your penis to a girl, then lie about it, then get kicked out of the House and then run for mayor right after," said a political consultant. "But people believe there is a way for him to run for a lesser office."
[weblogs]|20:46 Fang says, "oh, that was kinda chicken of them"
[Windows]|20:46 Hugo says, "If I worked for MS I'd be embarrassed to have to defend that."
[weblogs]|20:46 DavidW says (to Emily), "I do have a silly question for you: will the When In Rome series ever be finished? (I assume it won't be.)"
[Windows]|20:47 Johnny says (to Hugo), "You could just hide behind your pile of money."
[weblogs]|20:47 Emily says, "sigh"
[weblogs]|20:47 Emily says, "I want to finish it"
[weblogs]|20:47 Emily says, "I have an ending in mind and I have some really really cute cover art for the other three episodes"
[weblogs]|20:47 baf asks, "What is 'the girlfriend question'?"
[Windows]|20:47 Johnny says, "I mean, if you got in a duck and cover position."
[weblogs]|20:47 DavidW asks, "But it's very low priority, yes?"
[weblogs]|20:47 Emily says, "but I can't honestly say I have any idea when that will be"
[weblogs]|20:47 Emily says, "well, it's not like the first two episodes were very enthusiastically received"
[weblogs]|20:47 inky | I like to think of IF as an ex-girlfriend. Should it be my girlfriend?
[weblogs]|20:48 Jon says, "wow"
[weblogs]|20:48 inky says, "which I must admit is not what I was imagining it would be"
[weblogs]|20:48 Johnny says, "Yes, but a stalker ex-girlfriend."
[weblogs]|20:48 baf says, "(also, kind of relieved that no one answered 'Renee Montoya'.)"
[weblogs]|20:49 zarf says, "however, when you see my question that begins 'The world is a brittle shell over a twitching mass of sexual longings...' that's exactly the question I got"
[weblogs]|20:49 inky says, "ha ha"
[weblogs]|20:50 Emily says, "I did find the question about the Spelunky review socially very awkward to answer, because I slightly resented being asked to read some random thing for an already-long interview process, and then because when I did read it, my thought was, hm, this isn't very punchily edited and I have a lot of criticisms in fact, but I was asked for my opinion *as though* by someone who wrote it, but not actually by that person"
[weblogs]|20:50 Emily says, "so how do I navigate that"
[weblogs]|20:51 Fang says, "I wasn't sure how that spelunky review was relevant"
[weblogs]|20:51 Emily says (to Fang), "it wasn't, as far as I could tell"
[weblogs]|20:51 Johnny says (to Fang), "Spelunky is always relevant."
[weblogs]|20:52 Johnny says, "Er, not necessarily reviews of it, I guess."
[weblogs]|20:52 Fang says, "I guess you could have responded with a question"
[politics]|20:52 McMartin says, "Divorcing your wife on her deathbed, however, seems to be no problem, possibly even a bonus."
[tangent]|20:52 Emily asks (of DavidW), "did you in fact want the other episodes to exist, or was that more for archiving curiosity?"
[weblogs]|20:53 Fang says, "FWIW, that review did induce me to play spelunky way back then"
[weblogs]|20:53 Fang says, "so I guess I liked it"
[politics]|20:53 McMartin says, "Also, 'cocky pol', hm"
[politics]|20:53 McMartin says, "What they did there: I see it"
[tangent]|20:53 DavidW says, "Mostly curiosity. I would be pleased to see them arrive, but I won't be heartbroken if they never do."
[weblogs]|20:53 K-Y says, "RPS is all fun and games until you have to put up with them, then"
[weblogs]|20:54 Emily says, "well, it varies. Kieron has always been sensible and a good journalist"
[weblogs]|20:54 K-Y says, "and he left"
[weblogs]|20:54 Emily says, "well yes okay"
[weblogs]|20:54 K-Y says, "(yeah, sorry, reflex)"
[weblogs]|20:55 inky asks, "wait, the person asking about the spelunky review wasn't the person who wrote it?"
[weblogs]|20:55 inky says, "that is weird"
[weblogs]|20:55 inky says, "like spelunky is I guess very vaguely IF-relevant but not moreso than angband or somethibng"
[weblogs]|20:55 Emily says (to inky), "yeah, the premise of the interview was that the actual interviewer was disguised/bodyswapped as someone else"
[weblogs]|20:55 Emily says, "and in this case, as the author of that interview"
[weblogs]|20:55 Emily says, "er, that review"
[weblogs]|20:56 inky says, "oh yeah"
[weblogs]|20:56 Fang says, "Well, I dunno, this is a major pc games site covering IF, I suppose one should excuse some weirdness"
[weblogs]|20:56 inky says, "ok, I wasn't really attending very closely to the outer CYOA"
[lounge]|20:56 jenrexrode goes to look for a package on the porch
[tangent]|20:56 DavidW says, "(of course, it's a bit nervy of me to be asking anything at all when I haven't completed my own WIP for years and years)"
[tangent]|20:56 inky says, "yeah, I'm still waiting to see what I get for not eating that fox"
[weblogs]|20:56 Fang says, "er, to K-Y"
[tangent]|20:56 DavidW says (to inky), "I'm a horrible person."
[tangent]|20:57 Johnny says (to inky), "A cucumber sandwich."
[tangent]|20:57 inky says, "ha ha"
[tangent]|20:57 inky says, "bread! nooooo"
[tangent]|20:58 DavidW says, "I'm sure I did mention (roughly) what I intended. The fox, dragon, and bread would assist the bard in some project, and all four would be PCs."
[tangent]|20:59 DavidW says, "NPCs that you ate would not be available, making the game somewhat harder or even impossible."
[tangent]|20:59 Johnny asks, "Is there a way to eat the dragon or have the dragon eat the bard?"
[tangent]|20:59 Johnny says, "s/is/Would there be/"
[tangent]|21:00 inky says, "Conan Eat Everything"
[tangent]|21:00 inky says, "but it's like katamari damacy and you have to solve puzzles to figure out the right order to eat things in"
[lounge]|21:00 jmac goes home.
[lounge]|21:00 mwmiller appears, wondering "Anyone here good at drawing FRIENDLY HAPPY vampires?"
[weblogs]|21:00 K-Y says, "I can't understand what this introduction is going on about"
[tangent]|21:00 DavidW says (to Johnny), "There was supposed to be the option of eating the dragon, yes. I forget if I actually implemented it."
[weblogs]|21:01 vimes says, "as far as i can tell, 'everyone in the biz drinks too much'"
[ryan]|21:01 Ryan says, "Grrrrrr."
[tangent]|21:01 DavidW says, "I was running out of time and kinda skimmed on the cooking aspect of the intro."
[lounge]|21:02 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi mwmiller"
[lounge]|21:02 mwmiller says, "Hi ggg, hi all."
[ryan]|21:02 Ryan says, "I have been talking to my phone's voice recorder for half an hour, trying to get out a coherent summary of the Slow Web movement, and every time I forget an important piece, or just totally bungle the parts English I words am speak of in."
[ryan]|21:03 Ryan says, "I wish this video deadline hadn't snuck up on me so I might have had more time to practice this."
[lounge]|21:03 jenrexrode says, "nothing new on the porch today"
[tangent]|21:03 DavidW says, "The dragon never gets the option to eat the bard. In theory, by the time the dragon is a PC, the bard's edibility status is... well, that would be telling."
[weblogs]|21:04 K-Y says, "I really don't want to keep ragging on this, but it's very disturbing to have each and every Q&A in a little box by itself"
[weblogs]|21:04 K-Y says, "it's like you have come unstuck in time"
[ryan]|21:04 inky asks, "are you not reading from a script?"
[ryan]|21:07 Ryan says, "I wrote a script, but I need to be looking at the camera."
[weblogs]|21:08 K-Y says, "now that I've gotten to zarf it feels like reading usenet posts again, which is nice"
[tangent]|21:09 McMartin looks sadly at his various abortive notes for a successor game to the WS universe, probably with different characters
[tangent]|21:10 McMartin says, "Protip: If you ever want to consider reusing the setting, don't break the setting."
[tangent]|21:10 McMartin says, "Or have it imply impossible-to-implement mechanics"
[ryan]|21:11 Ryan says, "If I just try to talk about it, I can hit all the points, but I babble and it takes three times as long."
[tangent]|21:14 mwmiller asks, "Too fattening?"
[ryan]|21:15 jenrexrode says, "maybe you can get the professor to make a teleprompter from bamboo, and candle and some seashells"
[I7]|21:15 zarf says, "grr"
[lounge]|21:15 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[I7]|21:16 zarf says, "I am running into the describing-by-property problem that I had with Heliopause"
[Boston]|21:16 nm says, "I guess NoShow was good"
[Boston]|21:17 Ellison says, "it inspired a lengthy conversation on #gathering, if you care to recap"
[ryan]|21:17 Ryan says, "I didn't say it takes three *hours*."
[Gathering]|21:18 * nm has joined the channel.
[ryan]|21:27 inky says, "print out the script in really huge font and put it up on the wall behind the camera"
[travel]|21:29 nm says, "so, I made it back from Florida"
[travel]|21:29 nm says, "where I was attending a school of whizzery and witscraft"
[travel]|21:30 Johnny says, "You sound like you had too much butterbeer."
[ryan]|21:30 jenrexrode says (to inky), "thanks, professor"
[travel]|21:30 nm says, "or perhaps too much sun"
[tangent]|21:31 McMartin says, "Maybe the bard is secretly a dragon and cannibalism is not ethically sound"
[English]|21:37 Emily | Our  staff  will  ensure  your  safety,  security or just make you look really important in the pubic eye.
[English]|21:38 DavidW says, "ooh, typo"
[books]|21:38 nm | The FW [Finnegans Wake] text was prepared by scanning the Second Edition (Faber, 1950). The scanned text was checked against a speller, created from a word count list provided by Professor Mark Olsen of the University of Chicago, based on scanning Clive Hart's Concordance.
[books]|21:38 nm | WP 5.1 happily accepted this speller as the language "Icelandic."
[English]|21:38 Emily says, "the public/pubic thing happens often enough but the eye part really makes it much more disturbingly mental-imagy"
[English]|21:39 DavidW says, "mmhm"
[English]|21:39 nm says, "I wrote 'public static void' on a whiteboard once when teaching a class"
[English]|21:39 nm says, "not intentionally"
[English]|21:39 nm says, "er, ykwim"
[English]|21:41 Johnny says, "itykikwym"
[English]|21:41 K-Y says, "not unintentionally"
[English]|21:41 K-Y says, "got it"
[tangent]|21:43 DorianX says, "When I reused the setting from Moments, I just locked 4 extra doors"
[English]|21:44 inky says, "'public static void' should be the code implementation of that a void poem"
[lounge]|21:45 Miseri regularly eats multiples of things inky wouldn't eat more than zero of.
[lounge]|21:45 inky says, "ok zip"
[lounge]|21:45 Miseri says, "arrr"
[lounge]|21:45 inky got credit for creating Common and the concept of money, for generating lots of art and literature, and for being the very best at killing his enemies.
[lounge]|21:48 nm says, "helooo Miseriii"
[Gathering]|21:49 * Jearl has joined the channel.
[lounge]|21:49 Doug says, "hey nm, Mis"
[lounge]|21:49 Johnny says, "Hummus"
[lounge]|21:50 Johnny says, "Er, Hi Mis"
[lounge]|21:50 Miseri says, "Today I got my first life insurance statement ever."
[lounge]|21:51 Miseri says, "and they'd messed up one of the beneficiary designations."
[books]|21:51 nm says, " http://www.rosenlake.net/fw/ShorterFW.html "
[books]|21:52 nm says, "A Shorter Finnegans Wake"
[lounge]|21:53 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|21:53 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|21:53 boucher enters the lounge, as poets spout spontaneous verse and the official translators struggle to keep up with lines like, "We will stimulate ourselves by saying your name, boucher, when we say boucher, we stimulate ourselves."
[books]|21:53 mwmiller says, "Nice punchline."
[lounge]|21:53 Miseri says, "I can't help but wonder if this was in fact Not An Accident and someone somewhere has been hacking into the insurance company database."
[books]|21:54 nm says, "I get knocked down - but I get up again -"
[lounge]|21:57 jenrexrode asks, "is your agent the beneficiary?"
[politics]|21:58 McMartin asks, "Wait, seriously? The new Romney line is that Theresa Kerry didn't release many tax returns either?"
[lounge]|21:58 Hugo asks, "Am I?"
[lounge]|21:58 jenrexrode says, "that was my next question"
[lounge]|21:59 Hugo asks, "Not that there's any reason for you, or anyone here to worry.  Seriously, really, why would you think that?"
[politics]|21:59 maga says (to McMartin), "you'd think he'd want to run far, far away from the 'this is 2004 in reverse' narrative"
[politics]|22:00 McMartin says, "Also, um, last I checked he wasn't running for first lady"
[politics]|22:01 McMartin says, "Also, she released the year people were actually asking about (2003) and the guy actually running released 20 years"
[lounge]|22:01 Miseri says, "Maybe I've been reading too many thrillers."
[books]|22:02 nm says, "I just read the first part of FW on this last trip"
[books]|22:03 nm says, "I'm not sure about some of the words but the syllables were incredible"
[lounge]|22:03 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 4495 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Monday, 16 Jul 2012, 10:03:57 PM EDT
There are 2 new messages on #alt/obits.
There is one new message on #tech/kickstarter.
nm says, "heya Rob"
Jon says, "Rob, you have a very surreal connect message."
Rob says, "yarf"
mwmiller says, "Walk right in, sit right down."
Rob says (to nm), "hey nm"
Rob says, "howyadoin lately"
#457 [alt/obits]                   From: DorianX       Date: 16-Jul-12 15:30
Subject: Donald J Sobol
Encyclopedia Brown creator, 87. To find out how he died, read the bottom of page 32
#458 [alt/obits]                   From: Matthew       Date: 16-Jul-12 15:31
Subject: Celeste Holm, 95
Acclaimed actress of the stage (Oklahoma!) and screen (Gentlemen's Agreement, All About Eve). http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/theater/celeste-holm-witty-character-actress-dies-at-95.html
#6 [tech/kickstarter]              From: Dave          Date: 16-Jul-12 11:29
Subject: Movie Project
Please read and if you can, back Jack's project. He's a friend and a really good guy. http://kck.st/NCkRjo
Rob says, "I usually don't remember what my @connect msg is, and this is no exception"
nm says, "better now that I'm back from the huge Harry Potter con at Universal Orlando"
<Ghogg> Ghogg has connected to ifMUD.
jenrexrode says, "oh, it says"
jenrexrode says, "dismantle"
Rob says, "wow that is indeed surreal; and I have no memory about when I set it to that"
(From Hugo) nm says, "Turns out it *wasn't* Harry Potter *at all*."
[I7] zarf says, "there, I have filed it."
[I7] zarf says, "I hope I didn't file it last time. I don't *see* it"
[obits] Rob says, "donald j sobol! aw man :("
<vaporware> DON'T buy a parrot figuring that it will be a fun surprise for me.
vaporware said he has found peace through his ritual animal torture and vicious braining of random passersby.
[obits] Rob says, "60-second mysteries, encyclopedia brown"
[obits] mwmiller says, "Luckily, it was only a two-minute mystery how he died."
Ghogg arrives from the east. Ghogg asks, "Anybody want a cow?"
jenrexrode says, "I was already having trouble with mantle and mantel, now there's dismantle to be confused about."
Ghogg greets
[obits] vaporware says, "(Two-Minute Mysteries)"
jenrexrode says, "hi"
[obits] Rob says, "(thanks)"
[obits] Rob says, "I read 'em in half the time :P"
Ghogg asks, "so, the rockpapershotgun interview of zarf/adam/emily -- anyone know how to get to the secret part?"
zarf says, "beats me"
[obits] Rob says, "I wrote an encyclopedia brown fanfic story in 4th grade for an english class writing project"
jenrexrode beats the secret out of zarf
nm says, "rock beats zarf, paper beats adam ..."
zarf says, "The only secret that I composed is different responses if you leave after asking zarf no questions, some questions, or all the questions"
[obits] Rob says, "I'm trying to remember what the gimmick was. but I was really into going into the library and reading all donald j sobol books I could find for a while there"
[obits] vaporware says, "Adam wrote one: http://adamcadre.ac/content/brown/ "
zarf says, "I have not checked to see if Cara implemented that"
[obits] Rob says, "hm, another thing Adam and I have in common"
[obits] Rob says, "I should figure out how to post mine"
[obits] Rob asks, "but dang, where is a copy of it?"
Emily says (to zarf), "yeah, I played through once and left after no questions, and there was a funny response"
[obits] Rob says, "I remember my 4th grade teacher held onto the final draft copy I turned in, but I made a prior rough draft"
[dinner] jenrexrode says, "I was just thinking about going to Sonic for a corny dog, but now I'm thinking that it will upset my stomach."
Emily says, "(I had already read the responses on a previous pass"
[obits] Rob says, "I remember this because I remember wondering when she was going to give it back, and feeling anxious about it"
[obits] Rob says, "but being too shy to ask her to give it back"
[dinner] Rob says, "well yeah it will"
Ghogg asks, "so Kieron did the interview, or Cara?"
Emily says, "Cara"
[dinner] Rob says, "you can order better food that satisfies your protein/fat/salt craving"
[dinner] jenrexrode says, "well then i choose the non-upset stomach"
[dinner] jenrexrode says, "it's just an excuse to eat a lot of mustard"
Rob says, "who's Cara?>"
[dinner] Rob says, "well you could drench a leafy green salad in mustard and be healthier and satisfy that"
Ghogg says, "Cara Ellison, the one wrote this interactive interview thingy that just came up: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/07/16/absent-heroes-choose-your-own-interview-ii/ "
zarf says, "The ex-girlfriend"
zarf says, "I mean, what ghogg said."
[geekiness] genericgeekgirl says, "Ouch. A wine glass just cracked in my hand."
Rob says, "I know someone named Kara and someone named Ellison"
Ghogg says, "I'm still puzzled by the spelunky reference then"
Rob says, "so I'm having a mental spaz"
[dinner] jenrexrode says, "that wouldn't tame the mustard enough"
[dinner] Rob says, "you could throw other things into the salad"
[dinner] Rob says, "some form of protein"
[cyoa] Jacqueline says, "Anybody here used Choicescript?  I'm having trouble names"
Ghogg asks, "so Cara was interviewing you as Quintin, asking you about his article on Spelunky?"
[cyoa] Jacqueline says, "ILAC"
[dinner] Allen says, "you know, it's been a long time since I ate mustard straight from the jar"
[cyoa] Jacqueline says, "And disregard, methinks."
[dinner] Rob says (to Allen), "that's a good thing"
[dinner] jenrexrode asks (of Allen), "have you been making mustard?"
Jacqueline whispers, "Did you submit an IntroComp entry?"
[dinner] Rob says, "or are you feeling nostalgic enough to glup some down"
Ellison asks, "what's the deal with this ex-girlfriend thing?"
[dinner] Allen says, "though I do often grab a few packets of grey poupon at the sandwich place, to eat on its own"
Jacqueline whispers, "Or did it not come together for you?"
[dinner] Allen says (to jenrexrode), "not in a few months"
Emily says (to Ghogg), "right"
mwmiller says, "Looks like the entire story is one page with Javascript, so you *could* just look at the source to find whatever secret(s) there is/are."
Emily says, "which I agree was a tiny bit peculiar"
[dinner] Allen says, "I ended up with so much mustard in the fridge"
Jacqueline whispers, "Or have I just not looked in the right place?"
You whisper "blarh no it didn't come together. I posted a tester version and nobody said anything, so I figured it was a postponed project for now. still unreleased, tho" to Jacqueline.
mwmiller says, "Or you could override the stylesheet to see all the text at once."
Jacqueline whispers, "Oh, okay.  Just checking before I sent out the notes to authors-who-entered and authors-who-were-going-to-but-I-didn't-get-a-file-from-them."
[dinner] Rob says, "maybe that explains why you haven't eaten any jars of mustard lately"
Jacqueline whispers, "Sorry it didn't come together.  Perhaps next year."
You whisper "yeah! thanks" to Jacqueline.
You whisper "I appreciate the last-chance reminder" to Jacqueline.
Rob says, "ok zzz"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.