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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
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Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
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  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
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Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob, fake_Robb_Sherwin
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this."
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Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder, Sarcasm Detector
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Recapping 509 of 4395 lines from recent channels:
[English]/07:13 Gunther says, "how do you normally say it"
[English]|07:13 Gunther asks, "'equal to or greater than'?"
[English]|07:13 Gunther asks, "'greater or equal than'?"
[English]|07:13 Gunther asks, "'equal or greater than'?"
[English]|07:14 ghira says, "greater than or equal to"
[English]|07:16 Gunther asks, "how about 'equals or exceeds'?"
[English]|07:16 Gunther says, "basically, " "Se il risultato è UGUALE o MAGGIORE del VALORE dell'obbiettivo...""
[English]|07:16 ghira says, "I would read "x>=2" as "x is greater than or equal to 2""
[English]|07:16 Gunther says, "in german it's so easy"
[English]|07:16 Gunther says, "'groesser-gleich'"
[English]|07:16 ghira says, "ah the context isn't mathematical"
[English]|07:16 ghira asks, "boardgame?"
[English]|07:16 annabianca says, "in italian is maggiore o uguale/minore o uguale too"
[English]|07:17 ghira says, "My instinct would be to say "if the die roll is greater than or equal to the target" but you've probably read more sets of board game rules than I have recently"
[English]|07:17 Gunther says (to annabianca), "this is by an Italian :)"
[English]|07:18 ghira says, "if we're trying to avoid that sort of phrasing "if you match or exceed the target"? "if you roll the"
[English]|07:18 ghira asks, ""target or any higher number"? "if your roll is at least as big as the target"?"
[English]|07:19 Gunther says, "yeah, not concise enough, IMO"
[English]|07:19 ghira says, "I remember not being sure in Dungeoneer if you had to equal or beat target values on a first reading"
[English]|07:20 ghira asks, "is the German boardgame usage the same as the mathematical one?"
[English]|07:20 ghira asks, ""You have to roll at least the target"?"
[English]|07:20 Gunther says, "'at least' is still less exact than '>='"
[English]|07:20 Gunther says, "any time a game says 'at least' you can be 100% sure people will ask"
[lounge]|07:22 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[security]|07:23 Fang | Hackers expose 453,000 credentials allegedly taken from Yahoo service
[security]|07:23 Gunther says, "...with plaintext passwords."
[security]|07:23 Gunther says, "we need a new law where any company with plaintext passwords gets immediately shut down"
[English]|07:23 ghira says, ""at least 2" and ">=2" seem the same to me"
[English]|07:24 ghira says, "though I would in fact say "greater than or equal to""
[security]|07:24 Fang says, "there needs to be a list of major web companies that have *not* been hacked"
[English]|07:24 Gunther says, "and they are, but *spoken*, it makes a difference"
[English]|07:25 ghira asks, "is this intended for spoken or written use?"
[English]|07:25 marc says, "the second one is prounounced "get that dart outta my groin""
[English]|07:25 ghira asks, "are you translating rules or planning to explain them at a con?"
[English]|07:25 Gunther says (to ghira), "written, but also, you always explain rules to others"
[English]|07:25 ghira says, "sure"
[lounge]|07:26 Richie says, "'2 or higher' is probably what i'd say"
[teaching]|07:26 olethros says, "hooray, master student got top grade"
[security]|07:26 olethros says, "MyBigAssCompany.com"
[workplace]|07:27 marc says, "schlepped through a jira and greenhopper upgrade so that we could try out a plugin that required >5.x"
[workplace]|07:27 marc says, "...the plugin burps out a stacktrace on NPE"
[Italian]|07:28 Gunther says, "con +"
[Italian]|07:28 Gunther says, "er"
[Italian]|07:28 Gunther asks, "con + l' doesn't become coll', right?"
[security]|07:28 olethros says, "the others were quite impressed I must say"
[Italian]|07:29 annabianca says, "colla coll' is very old italian"
[Italian]|07:30 ghira exclaims, "cogli!"
[Italian]|07:30 Gunther says, "I'm trying to say "Inglese vuole l'articolo anche con l'oggetto.""
[lounge]|07:30 two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
[Italian]|07:30 annabianca exclaims, "cogli senza oni!"
[Italian]|07:30 Gunther says, "but coll'oggetto looks more fun"
[Italian]|07:30 ghira says, ""col" and "coi" are normal. "colla" and "cogli" look pretty odd"
[Italian]|07:30 ghira says, "though iirc they are archaic rather than plain wrong"
[Italian]|07:31 ghira says, "however, you'd probably need to be doing a very good job of being consistently archaic to use them I suspect"
[Italian]|07:31 ghira asks (of gunther), "presumably you know about "codesto"?"
[Italian]|07:32 annabianca says, "and the older version cotesto"
[Italian]|07:33 ghira says, "if you use "codesto" in casual speech people will think you are delightful and buy you snacks"
[Italian]|07:33 Gunther asks, "what is it?"
[Italian]|07:33 Gunther says, "(also is this correct? "Tutte le due ultime settimane fa si moriva! 30 gradi centigradi + 20000% umidita.")"
[Italian]|07:33 ghira says, "it's like the Japanese "so.." prefix"
[Italian]|07:34 ghira says, "codesto = nearer to person being spoken to than to speaker"
[Italian]|07:34 ghira says, "questo = nearer speaker than person being spoken to"
[Italian]|07:34 ghira says, "quello = far from both"
[Italian]|07:34 annabianca says, "only tuscans use it"
[Italian]|07:34 ghira says, "this is ttue"
[Italian]|07:34 ghira says, "but it would be seen as charming/amusing if you were to use it even outside Tuscany I think"
[Italian]|07:35 annabianca says, "20000% di umidita"
[Italian]|07:35 Gunther says, "I will also endeavor to use 'fare un balotello'"
[Italian]|07:36 annabianca asks, "due ultime settimane fa?"
[Italian]|07:36 Gunther says, "'all of the past two weeks'"
[Italian]|07:36 ghira says (to gunther), "the last two weeks ending now? in which case "Da due settimane fa caldo""
[Italian]|07:36 ghira says, "(it has been hot for two weeks)"
[Italian]|07:36 annabianca says, "da due settimane si muore di caldo"
[Italian]|07:36 ghira says, "Si muore di caldo da due settimane."
[Italian]|07:37 Gunther says, "'due settimane fa si moriva ma ora si sta bene' was the original I got"
[Italian]|07:37 ghira says, "two weeks ago it was hot but it's ok now"
[mountaineering]|07:40 olethros asks, "well, well, if you climb Mont Maudit, what do you expect?"
[Italian]|07:40 ghira says, ""da due settimane" means the condition has been true from two weeks ago onwards and is still true"
[mountaineering]|07:40 olethros says, "5am avalanche struck two climbing teams"
[Italian]|07:41 ghira says, "it's one of only about three situations where the sequence of tenses in English and Italian is different"
[Italian]|07:41 ghira says, "the other two being "quando saro' ricco saro' felice" and "ha detto che sarebbe venuto""
[Italian]|07:42 annabianca says, "also with "da due settimane" you use present tense verb"
[Italian]|07:43 Gunther says, "huh"
[Italian]|07:43 annabianca says, "or da due settimane sta facendo caldo"
[Italian]|07:43 Gunther says, "ho fatto un balotello!!"
[Italian]|07:43 Gunther says, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
[Italian]|07:43 annabianca asks, "balotello?"
[Italian]|07:43 Gunther says, "Mario Balotelli e' un calciatore Italiano"
[Italian]|07:44 Gunther says, "Lei e completamente pazzo"
[Italian]|07:44 Gunther says, "+'"
[Italian]|07:44 ghira says, ""Sono qui da due settimane" = "I have been here for two weeks""
[Italian]|07:45 Gunther says, "fare o dire una cosa completamente pazza -> fare un balotello"
[Italian]|07:45 ghira asks, "is this a recent expression?"
[Italian]|07:45 Gunther says, "(or maybe 'un balotelli', not entirely sure)"
[greece]|07:45 olethros says, "huh"
[Italian]|07:45 Gunther says, "yes, a scant few months (or weeks) old"
[Italian]|07:46 annabianca says, "ah like esodati"
[Italian]|07:46 Gunther says, "or balotellino, or something"
[Italian]|07:49 ghira says (to annabianca), "we could get an "or sono" in there somewhere"
[Italian]|07:49 Gunther asks, "esodati?"
[Italian]|07:49 annabianca asks, "orsu'?"
[Italian]|07:50 ghira says (to gunther), "this word newspapers have started using recently"
[Italian]|07:50 ghira says (to gunther), "it seems to mean people who have been forced to retire early but who are too young to get a pension"
[Italian]|07:50 Gunther | The front page of Libero features a picture of Balotelli smashing a ball with her face on it and the headline "Vaffanmerkel"
[Italian]|07:50 annabianca says, "people working in the public sector"
[Italian]|07:52 Gunther asks, "not even early pensions?"
[Italian]|07:53 annabianca says, "of course they will get early pensions"
[Italian]|07:54 Gunther says, "'parassita' then"
[Italian]|07:54 ghira says, "oh it's just the forced retirement bit? I think there have been some stories about how at least some of them can't get a pension immediately, anyway."
[Italian]|07:55 ghira asks (of gunther), "is it cheaper to make them retire early or to keep them on, though?"
[greece]|07:55 olethros says, "trial-fixing ring discovered: 21 members, taking in 2bil in bribes"
[greece]|07:55 olethros says, "they included judges, prosecutors, notaries and tax officers"
[Italian]|07:55 Gunther asks, "for the nation or the companies?"
[greece]|07:56 olethros says, "also, burglars allegedly broke into the office of the deputy finance minister and stole documents (including his passport)"
[Italian]|07:56 ghira says (to gunther), "for the nation, if these are people in the public sector"
[Italian]|07:57 Gunther says, "it's better to retrain them for something they CAN do"
[greece]|07:57 olethros says, "finally, tax officers got sentenced to 70 years in jail for embezzling 28 millions, but let out on bail pending appeal"
[Italian]|07:59 annabianca says, "most italians still think that having a "safe" boring job is the best thing"
[greece]|08:05 olethros says, "oh, four of those were heads of tax offices"
[greece]|08:07 ghira exclaims, "they clearly have no ambition compared to the judges and prosecutors. 28 million? beginners!"
[books]|08:08 olethros says, "ok!"
[books]|08:08 olethros says, "I have another three (3) mieville books to read"
[jobs]|08:08 olethros says, "ok, HR sucks"
[greece]|08:09 Allen says, "I was just thinking how crude greek corruption seems to american corruption. Our bribes don't directly change hands, and there's so rarely any provable quid pro quo. But the scales of money involved are orders of magnitude larger"
[jobs]|08:09 annabianca says, "no news"
[jobs]|08:09 olethros says, "I've heard the expression that 'the left hand does not know what the right is doing' but the HR department is like a completely autononmous, mutated tentacle that strangles its head"
[jobs]|08:09 olethros says, "so after a lot of effort, I managed to get this greek doctoral student into an erasmus exchange program to come here"
[jobs]|08:10 olethros says, "that was by communicating with the EU grants officers"
[jobs]|08:10 olethros says, "he now contacted the HR department to ask about possible teaching assistant posts while being here, who said 'We inform you that we do not an Erasmus programme for PhD students'"
[jobs]|08:10 olethros head -> desk
[greece]|08:11 Allen says, "also, 70 years? That sounds like the kind of sentence someone gets for a really serious crime like possession of a small amount of drugs within 500 feet of a school. Little financial crimes like that don't get prosecuted"
[greece]|08:11 olethros says, "modern greek democracy is only a few years old"
[jobs]|08:13 olethros says, "I should go there and start a fuss"
[lounge]|08:13 Jizaboz surfs into the lounge on a yellow-stained board which looks too short.
[jobs]|08:13 olethros says, "their fucking bureaucratic shit rules"
[jobs]|08:14 olethros says, "HR is like... the appendix"
[lounge]|08:14 Jizaboz says, "Good morning."
[jobs]|08:14 olethros says, "it does something mysterious which maybe somewhat useful but in the end it is probably best to just get rid of it"
[jobs]|08:14 olethros says, "they should just be staffed with accountants, and that's it"
[jobs]|08:15 ghira asks, "how do you get into HR?"
[jobs]|08:15 olethros says, "bribe"
[jobs]|08:16 annabianca says, "sex"
[jobs]|08:16 ghira asks, "I mean there are lots of things people don't grow up wanting to do, but what paths lead into HR exactly?"
[jobs]|08:16 olethros says (to annabianca), "that's what I head"
[jobs]|08:16 olethros says, "*said"
[jobs]|08:16 olethros says, "damn it, freud"
[lounge]|08:16 Richie says, "hi"
[jobs]|08:16 ghira exclaims (at olethros/annabianca), "get a room!"
[jobs]|08:16 olethros says, "being an accountant, I suppose - though why .."
[jobs]|08:17 olethros says, "well, I had a friend. He was a stoner. He wanted to do something somewhat interesting but not too taxing. So he went into economics"
[jobs]|08:17 olethros says, "Then he did a PhD in human resource management"
[jobs]|08:17 olethros says, "now he's in the HR department of olympic airlines I think"
[jobs]|08:17 olethros says, "(or perhaps he's teaching economics in a small college in athens)"
[jobs]|08:20 annabianca says, "is economics in greece like economics in the uk? in italy is more accountancy/business"
[quotations]|08:20 genericgeekgirl | In IF, if you're stuck, you're going to have to experiment wildly or to stop and really think about it, and "wear puppy" is never ever ever ever EVER going to work.
[quotations]|08:21 genericgeekgirl makes a note.
[quotations]|08:24 Allen says, "I have a counterexample from angryflower.com, if I can find it"
[quotations]|08:24 Allen | http://www.angryflower.com/puppy.gif
[kitties]|08:26 Allen says, "it's insane-dashing-from-front-to-back-of-the-house hour"
[quotations]|08:26 olethros says, "obvious, in retrospect"
[quotations]|08:28 Johnny says, "IF not GIF, man."
[kitties]|08:30 Richie says, "Always entertaining"
[sex]|08:32 Bishop says, "Huh. I am kind of surprised that this exists: < http://www.buzzfeed.com/mathieus/40-dinosaurs-having-sex-nsfw-if-you-are-a-dino-8q4 >"
[sex]|08:33 Bishop says, "Although I guess given that there's an entire subgenre of 'dinsaurs havingsex with cars' that's less weird."
[sex]|08:33 Fang says, "well, someone needs to figure out how these things reproduce I guess"
[sex]|08:33 annabianca says, "they dind't reproduce at some point"
[sex]|08:34 Fang says, "though probably the nice frame in http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2010/11/5/5/enhanced-buzz-3705-1288949776-2.jpg is perhaps unnecessary"
[Boston]|08:36 olethros asks, "any ideas for 1-month stay in boston?"
[Boston]|08:36 Gunther says, "houseboat!"
[lounge]|08:37 Yuri arrives from the east.
[Boston]|08:37 olethros says, "good!"
[sex]|08:37 Allen says, "#16? Where is that"
[sex]|08:37 Allen says, "also #19 I think is a little unrealistic"
[Boston]|08:38 genericgeekgirl says, "You might be able to sublet an apartment for a month."
[lounge]|08:40 shercambe, being psychic, enters the lounge.
[lounge]|08:40 shercambe takes the elevator up the magic bird perch.
[lounge]|08:42 shercambe comes in, announcing your singing telegram and complimentary basket of monkeys.
[Boston]|08:42 Gunther says, "try airbnb"
[lounge]|08:43 shercambe concentrates, and disappears.
[Boston]|08:43 genericgeekgirl says, "Oh right, that. I was just thinking Craigslist."
[lounge]|08:46 shercambe enters bearing chocolate that, tragically, is designed to maximise profit margins.
[lounge]|08:47 Matthew says, "Hi everyone."
[lounge]|08:48 shercambe says, "Hi Matthew"
[lounge]|08:48 Gunther says, "Ayo MM"
[lounge]|08:50 shercambe goes home.
[Boston]|08:51 olethros says, "jeez"
[Boston]|08:51 olethros says, "not cheap"
[UK]|08:51 Gunther | British lawmakers clamored for an explanation Thursday about why the military needs to field more troops to protect the Olympics after a private security contractor that was paid millions to do that failed to recruit enough staff
[UK]|08:51 olethros says, "one word: kickbacks"
[teaching]|08:53 olethros says, "so everybody was super-happy with this thesis"
[teaching]|08:53 ghira asks, "the one you thought was too long?"
[teaching]|08:54 olethros says, "boss said it was 'not the typical master thesis'"
[teaching]|08:54 olethros says (to ghira), "yeah, it is a bit long, but at least he shortened the presentation to 35-40 minutes"
[teaching]|08:56 olethros says, "I was surprised that the external examiner actually went through the whole thesis in detail, and even asked a clarification over a technical point that was only vaguely made in the thesis"
[UK]|09:04 Fang asks, "are we going to fine this contractor millions for failing to live up to the contract?"
[UK]|09:05 olethros says, "ha ha ha ha"
[UK]|09:06 Gunther says, "#satsq"
[lounge]|09:10 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|09:10 Jota greets.
[lounge]|09:12 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Jota"
[lounge]|09:14 Gunther says, "I'll wait for real Jota to greet"
[lounge]|09:16 olethros asks, "there is a real Jota? who is this then?"
[lounge]|09:17 Jota asks (of Gunther), "What does that make me?"
[ryan]|09:20 Ryan says, "I've decided that I'm not ready to give the respect and inclusiveness talk. It's just too fraught a subject and I don't know it well enough, although I'm going to keep trying to learn about it so that I can write and talk about it more in the future."
[ryan]|09:20 Ryan says, "So I will focus on the slow web talk idea instead, for now."
[ryan]|09:20 olethros asks, "whom will you be talking to?"
[lounge]|09:22 Tale is an award-winning English actress and right up there with Helen Mirren and Emma Thompson in terms of being completely awesome.
[ryan]|09:22 Ryan says, "Just submitting the proposal to the SxSW conference for now."
[ryan]|09:22 Jota says, "Oh, this isn't about Sophie."
[ryan]|09:22 Ryan says, "I'll probably offer to give it at our local web applications group meeting, too."
[ryan]|09:24 olethros says (to jota), "hee hee"
[lounge]|09:24 Gunther says (to Jota), "intermittent pre-work Jota, normally!"
[lounge]|09:25 Jota says, "Oh, this is after 9:00 MUDtime, so it's a reasonable guess that it's either intermittent work Jota or intermittent very-late-for-work Jota."
[lounge]|09:25 Jota says, "(Unless it's intermittent vacation Jota.)"
[lounge]|09:25 Gunther says, "curses!"
[law]|09:35 K-Y | Samsung wants to put roughly 700 questions before the jury
[gripe]|09:40 Ryan says, "Tuesday at noon, te company president announced that Thursday evening we'd be having a lakeside company party! Hooray!"
[family]|09:40 olethros says, "speaking of which, I don't understand why my parents find it necessary to lie to me all the time"
[gripe]|09:40 Ryan says, "Except, friggin' 2 days is way too short notice, and we already have plans for this evening."
[family]|09:41 olethros says, "it's little lies, usually, but still."
[gripe]|09:41 Jota says, "Aw."
[family]|09:41 ghira asks, "did they buy you a plane ticket without telling you?"
[gripe]|09:41 Ryan says, "I can't wait until he gets married and has a kid and realizes that there's value in planning ahead for social events."
[gripe]|09:41 ghira asks, "can you not go?"
[family]|09:41 olethros says (to ghira), "they might have done that if they could find away to put me on said plane without telling me"
[gripe]|09:41 K-Y says, "tell him you rented a blimp"
[gripe]|09:41 Ryan says (to ghira), "I can not go. We have plans."
[lounge]|09:41 Steve left the White House after one term, disgraced and offensively clean.
[lounge]|09:41 Steve says, "Morning"
[gripe]|09:42 Gunther says, "that is a stupid short announcement interval"
[gripe]|09:42 K-Y says, "blimps trump lakes"
[family]|09:42 olethros says, "no, but we were going to go to our best man's house for a couple of days, and my mom tried to arrange (behind the scenes) for them to be there too at the same time"
[gripe]|09:42 ghira asks (of ryan), "not going seems to be possible. this isn't one of these companies where you'd face ostracism for not going to the sake  bar / karaoke thing, is it?"
[family]|09:42 olethros says, "when I suggested that maybe they should not be there, she said 'oh, we are not going anyway, it is too long a trip for us, we are so ooold'"
[gripe]|09:43 Ryan says (to ghira), "Perhaps I've explained this wrong. I can't go because we have plans already, but I wish I could go."
[lounge]|09:43 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|09:43 * Tale has disconnected.
[family]|09:43 olethros says, "when I insisted, she was all 'ok, we'll come, if you insist'"
[family]|09:43 olethros says, "btu she continues to deny that she arranged everything with the best man's dad"
[gripe]|09:43 Ryan says, "I just can't cancel our other plans because they involve too many people."
[family]|09:43 olethros says, "(who is a professional liar, since he's in politics)"
[gripe]|09:43 ghira says (to ryan), "ok. I thought maybe it was one of those 50s sitcom / Japanese type situations where one's presence at these things is mandatory or something"
[gripe]|09:44 Ryan says, "No. I expect a good half of the company won't be able to make it because it's such short notice."
[gripe]|09:44 Gunther says (to Ryan), "oh, there's an easy solution the"
[gripe]|09:44 Gunther says, "n"
[gripe]|09:44 ghira says, "perhaps the boss will learn a valuable lesson"
[gripe]|09:44 Gunther says, "bring all the other people"
[gripe]|09:44 olethros says, "ha ha ha"
[gripe]|09:44 Ryan says (to Gunther), "Ha ha"
[gripe]|09:45 ghira says, "hi, I brought my nude roller derby team along because we already had practice planned"
[people-suk]|09:53 Gunther asks, "are there antipathy elementals?"
[books]|09:55 olethros says, "so I read the first few pages a couple of nights ago, and I must say I was intrigued"
[books]|10:02 olethros says, "w00t, proust tweet"
[books]|10:03 Fang says, "I thought he was dead"
[eggcorn]|10:03 Allen | In today's Times -- on the website, and still in print as of 12:30 -- guest columnist Ta-Nehisi Coates writes, "'There before the grace of hard parents go I' was the lesson of my life."
[lounge]|10:03 Iain hasn't been here since April, I'm starting to get worried.
[lounge]|10:03 Iain says, "Morning"
[band-name]|10:03 Matthew says, "Proust Tweet."
[lounge]|10:03 Matthew says, "Hi Iain."
[books]|10:03 olethros says (to fang), "'in search of lost time', rendered as daily tweets"
[books]|10:03 Matthew says (to olethros), "The universe is slated to end in another 8 billion years or so...  There's not going to be time."
[eggcorn]|10:04 Allen says, "it's corrected now"
[books]|10:04 Gunther says, "2012-01-20 madeleine #omnom #thisremindsme"
[books]|10:04 Gunther says, "2012-06-23 that was a good madeleine #remembranceofthingspast"
[books]|10:05 Matthew says (to Gunther), "Like five months would really be enough to cover all that."
[books]|10:05 Gunther says, "don't make me tweet galtspeech one line a day."
[eggcorn]|10:05 Allen says, "ha ha, and it was a senior editor for The Atlantic Monthly who wrote it"
[books]|10:05 Matthew exclaims (at Gunther), "Your grandkids wouldn't have time to finish it!"
[books]|10:06 olethros says, "ha ha"
[pedant]|10:16 Fang says, "sure it is"
[pedant]|10:16 Gunther | Irony (from the Ancient Greek ???????? eir?neía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance)[1] is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or situation in which there is a sharp incongruity or discordance that goes beyond the simple and evident intention of words or actions
[pedant]|10:17 Gunther says, "intention: reprint books. intention fulfilled."
[pedant]|10:17 Fang says, "right, and this is an example of situational irony"
[pedant]|10:17 Gunther says, "possibly that is why I used the #pedant tag."
[pedant]|10:17 Fang says, "presumeably, people who donated to the kickstarter wanted to support the comic"
[pedant]|10:18 Gunther | A situation is often said to be ironic (situational irony) if there is an "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result."
[pedant]|10:18 Gunther says, "expected result: reprints"
[pedant]|10:18 Gunther says, "actual result: reprints"
[pedant]|10:18 Jota says, "I think this might be a valid use of the word 'irony'."
[pedant]|10:18 Fang says, "if however it means Rich is so burdened with fullfiling kickstarter obligations that he puts the comic on hiatus, then that's pretty ironic"
[people-suk]|10:18 Gunther says, "please! I'm trolling here."
[people-suk]|10:18 Jota exclaims, "I am inherently opposed to trolling!"
[people-suk]|10:19 Gunther says, "curses! foiled AGAIN"
[neologisms]|10:20 olethros says, "sironic"
[neologisms]|10:20 Matthew says, "#apple-neologisms Sirionic."
[USA]|10:22 olethros | ?It?s really American to avoid paying taxes, legally,? said Senator Lindsey Graham.
[USA]|10:23 Gunther says, "time for an IRS review"
[USA]|10:24 olethros says, "more here, if  you can take it http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/10/lindsey-graham-taxes-really-american-mitt-romney_n_1662939.html "
[lounge]|10:25 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|10:25 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|10:25 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|10:25 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|10:26 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|10:26 * Marktwo has connected.
[books]|10:30 Hjalfi says, "Oh, I finished _Gardens of the Moon_. I have two major issues:"
[books]|10:30 Hjalfi says, "(a) his poetry is not nearly as good as he thinks it is."
[books]|10:30 ghira asks, "(b) too many people are immortal and/or nearly omnipotent?"
[books]|10:31 Hjalfi asks, "(b) his grasp of anatomy is... poor. A guy gets a heavy crossbow bolt that goes all the way through his shoulder and stays standing? Even exerts himself afterwards? And, more importantly, doesn't immediately expire from hydraulic shock?"
[books]|10:31 Gunther says, "all is explained in book 8"
[books]|10:31 ghira says, "boromir survived worse in the first LOTR film for several minutes"
[books]|10:31 Iain says, "It turns out his shoulder is made of tofu."
[books]|10:31 Hjalfi says, "Likewise, another guy gets a knife up into his armpit and then through the top of his shoulder which miraculously does not sever tendons, major arteries, bone, cartilage etc."
[books]|10:32 Gunther says, "all is explained in book 6 and 9"
[lounge]|10:32 Gunther says, "ok, gotta pop"
[lounge]|10:32 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[gripe]|10:33 * borowski has joined the channel.
[neologisms]|10:33 * borowski has joined the channel.
[pedant]|10:33 * borowski has joined the channel.
[books]|10:33 ghira says, "I have been several chapters into book 2 for years now"
[books]|10:33 Fang says, "the truth is, the human body is a fun bag of mysteries"
[books]|10:34 Hjalfi says, "I did like #1, but there's a fine line between complexity and incoherence and he's firmly on the wrong side of it."
[books]|10:34 Steve says, "I had that problem with Prometheus, (being vague) where a character does some physical exertion that seems pretty improbable based on injuries they had just recently self-inflicted"
[books]|10:34 ghira says, "maybe I shouldn't mind so much but many of the names are just bad"
[grammar]|10:34 Allen says, "this is a nice article: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/09/a-matter-of-fashion/ "
[books]|10:35 Hjalfi says, "I'll give #2 a chance but I'm not sure about #3."
[books]|10:39 ghira says, "in my case "just not caring" set in pretty fast in book 2"
[books]|10:39 Iain says (to Steve), "Hmm, yeah, now you mention it."
[books]|10:39 Iain says, "That was far from being my only issue with Prometheus."
[books]|10:40 Hjalfi asks (of Iain), "Have you seen the PA comic on Prometheus?"
[books]|10:40 Iain looks.
[books]|10:41 Iain asks, "Oh, the helpful diagram?"
[books]|10:41 olethros asks, "url?"
[books]|10:41 Iain says, "That too was not my only issue, but I'll put it on the list."
[books]|10:42 Iain says, "SPOILERS slightly: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/06/13 "
[books]|10:42 Hjalfi says, "Yeah, that's the one."
[books]|10:43 olethros says, "yeah, everybody does that mistake  when running away from  ..."
[books]|10:43 olethros says, "BEARS"
[spoilers]|10:43 Iain says, "I think what annoys me most, although maybe it's a public service, is that everything that happens is so random and comes out of nowhere."
[spoilers]|10:43 Iain says, "It made me realise that Alien is basically the same. The alien gains a new ridiculous power every 10 minutes."
[spoilers]|10:44 Steve asks, "I can't see the PA URL here at work.  What's the gist of their complaint?"
[spoilers]|10:44 Iain says, "Whereas Alien*s* took all the crazy stuff in the first film and decided, okay, those are the rules, we'll stick with that all the way through."
[spoilers]|10:44 Iain says, "Which makes it a much better film."
[lounge]|10:45 ghira goes home.
[lounge]|10:45 * ghira has disconnected.
[spoilers]|10:45 Iain says (to Steve), "It doesn't actually seem like a big complaint. When running away from a big donut-shaped spaceship, run to the side."
[spoilers]|10:45 Steve says, "Going back to the spoilery Prometheus stuff, I was OK with her kinda stumbly running just after, but not the part where she's literally hanging over a ledge and pulls herself up"
[spoilers]|10:46 Steve says (to Iain), "Oh, ok.  I made a crack about that in the theater when it was happening"
[spoilers]|10:47 Iain says, "I couldn't figure out why Charlize Theron's character was killed off like that."
[spoilers]|10:47 Iain says, "It was like she'd been cast as a villain and this was her ironic Hollywood send-off."
[spoilers]|10:47 Iain says, "But she hadn't done anything especially evil or stupid before that at all."
[grammar]|10:47 Jota | Linguists insist that it's wrong to designate any kind of English "proper" because language always changes and always has.
[spoilers]|10:47 Steve says, "I couldn't figure out why no one in the movie was doing their real accent"
[grammar]|10:47 Jota asks, "So, no one speaks correctly? *Everyone* is wrong?"
[spoilers]|10:49 Fang asks, "has anyone ever run to the side when being chased by a rolly thing?"
[spoilers]|10:49 Fang says, "like, in anything"
[spoilers]|10:49 Steve says, "There was a part towards the end where Charlize Theron said, "What the hell are you talkin' about?" like twice within two minutes, and she said it in this same, rehearsed way both times.  CTTOI, maybe they just looped the line in twice"
[spoilers]|10:49 Iain asks, "If Indy doesn't do it, why should anyone else?"
[spoilers]|10:50 Steve says, "But it's weird.  You've got the Swedish lady as British, the British guy as Southern, the South African lady as American"
[books]|10:51 olethros says (to Iain), "I dont see why killing off characters in a certain way should depend on their behaviour in the remaining part of the movi e"
[spoilers]|10:51 olethros says (to Iain), "I dont see why killing off characters in a certain way should depend on their behaviour in the remaining part of the movi e"
[spoilers]|10:51 Iain says, "Oh, totally, *but* that's what Hollywood-y films do."
[spoilers]|10:51 Fang says, "well, it should if you want the audience to care about it"
[spoilers]|10:51 Iain says, "Unless they manage to break out of that cliche."
[spoilers]|10:52 Steve says, "Killing someone off in a spectacular way, with some blame on their stupidity for not moving a few feet to the side, is usually reserved for someone where they expect you to cheer their death"
[spoilers]|10:52 Fang says, "yeah"
[spoilers]|10:52 Iain says, "It felt to me like Prometheus was going through the motions of setting up Theron as a scummy character who gets a satisfying ironic death."
[spoilers]|10:52 Steve says, "And, yeah, at worst she was just sort of unpleasant"
[spoilers]|10:52 Iain says, "Except it was totally perfunctory her character was actually okay."
[spoilers]|10:52 Iain says, "Not in the sense of okay healthy, she still died horribly."
[spoilers]|10:53 Fang says, "there's a sort of 'silly deaths' budget films have to adhere to or else become a farce"
[lounge]|10:54 Jon says, "screen restarting bastard"
[lounge]|10:54 Jon is building a car by starting from scratch, using absolutely nothing except for a working car.
[spoilers]|10:54 Fang says, "so films have to spend that wisely"
[spoilers]|10:54 Fang says, "I wouldn't say it's a hollywood thing, it's more a narrative pacing thing"
[lounge]|10:55 Jon is not just ROBOT TYLER DURDEN HITLER.
[spoilers]|10:56 olethros says, "is the optimal escape route always perpendicular to the direction of travel of the obstacle? let us see"
[spoilers]|10:56 Fang says (to olethros), "haha"
[spoilers]|10:56 Steve says, "I mean, the thing was tall enough that if it fell one way or the other, which it did, it would still hit you"
[spoilers]|10:56 Iain says (to olethros), "Don't forget the movie is in 3D, so there's an entire plane of escape routes."
[spoilers]|10:57 Fang says, "it probably isn't 'let's wait for a moment while I figure this out'"
[spoilers]|10:57 Steve says, "But at least you have like 50-50 chance you picked the right side"
[spoilers]|10:58 olethros says, "if you are running, where basically acceleration is quite high until max velocity, then I suppose perpendicular is optimal"
[spoilers]|10:59 olethros says, "if you are in a vehicle, it may pay to accelerate away and then turn, depending"
[spoilers]|10:59 Steve says, "Overall I thought the movie was all right.  I certainly don't understand people who complain it was confusing.  If anything I thought its biggest issues were being too conventional."
[spoilers]|11:00 Iain says, "I just thought it was dumb."
[spoilers]|11:00 olethros says, "ok, yeah, it depends on the width of the chasing thing and on its speed"
[spoilers]|11:01 Iain says, "It started off all 2001, and okay it didn't all hang together but it *looked* great, and then devolved into this big monster fight chase scene rubbish."
[spoilers]|11:01 Fang says, "hmm"
[spoilers]|11:01 Iain says, "Which is what people said about Sunshine, but I still like that."
[spoilers]|11:01 Fang says, "let's take this to #maths"
[spoilers]|11:01 Steve says, "I've never seen that.  I should watch it sometime"
[spoilers]|11:02 Grocible says, "They never show Theron's character actually dying"
[yoga]|11:02 * annabianca has joined the channel.
[spoilers]|11:03 Grocible says, "it's implied that she's squashed by the rolling thing, but she just vanishes in the haze of blowing tinkly gravel stuff"
[spoilers]|11:04 Steve says, "She might be alive, lying face down in a perfectly Theron-shaped hole in the ground"
[spoilers]|11:04 Iain says, "Ha ha"
[spoilers]|11:05 Grocible says, "or lying on the ground, with just the curved edge of the spaceship at her feet, miraculously unscathed for a sequel"
[lounge]|11:06 Grocible says, "hm. do I wanna go on the CERN guided tour? Even though you can't go visit the beam line because it's, you know, powered on and dangerous"
[lounge]|11:06 Iain says, "Speaking of escaping death by rolling spaceship, I need to get out of here."
[lounge]|11:06 Iain waves.
[lounge]|11:06 Iain leaps astride a mountain pony and gallops off bareback for reinforcements.
[lounge]|11:08 borowski says (to Grocible), "I definitely would."
[spoilers]|11:09 Fang says (to Steve), "I think people thought it was nonsensical. That's not neccessarily the same as confusing"
[lounge]|11:09 Grocible says, "I'm going to Switzerland anyway"
[lounge]|11:10 borowski says, "Watch out for Higgs bosons flying around. You might accidently gain a few pounds."
[lounge]|11:10 Allen says, "Higgs bisons are the flying variety"
[spoilers]|11:11 Fang says (to olethros), "the way I think about is is this"
[spoilers]|11:11 Fang says, "let's say you have a point (that's you)"
[spoilers]|11:11 Fang says, "and you have a line 1 unit, say, away from it"
[lounge]|11:12 borowski says, "Unless they are young bison. Then they balloon."
[lounge]|11:13 Hjalfi | http://minimumble.thebookofbiff.com/comics-archive/2012-03-07-0058.png
[lounge]|11:14 borowski says, "Heh"
[lounge]|11:17 Doug says, "morning!"
[lounge]|11:22 Johnny does like justice, but that's taking it a bit far.
[lounge]|11:30 Gunther's voice is husky, like dark melted chocolate fudge caramel... or something.
[lounge]|11:30 Gunther says, "ree"
[law]|11:32 Gunther | Tom Cruise's lawyer to sue National Enquirer for 'hundreds of millions' over 'false and vicious lies' about his client
[law]|11:33 Gunther says, "a lose-lose situation"
[law]|11:33 Gunther says, "no matter who wins, the money goes to a gigantic jackass"
[music]|11:36 Gunther says, "today an Estonian rock/metal band stopped me on the street and asked me to buy their CD"
[music]|11:36 Gunther says, "so I did"
[lounge]|11:37 Richie waves
[music]|11:37 Ryan asks, "You're supporting street musicians?!?"
[music]|11:37 Gunther says, "he didn't play!"
[music]|11:38 Ryan says, "If you buy CDs from everyone not playing music on the street, you're gonna go broke quick."
[music]|11:38 Gunther says, "dude was nice enough, PLUS the music is actually pretty good"
[music]|11:39 Gunther says, " http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/DefRage "
[music]|11:40 Allen asks, "is one of those wikipedia tabs 'Subject may be non-notable'?"
[music]|11:41 Gunther says, "apparently not"
[music]|11:41 Gunther says, "'needs editing', 'shittily written', 'no citations', and 'not neutrla'"
[music]|11:41 Gunther says, "neutral, even"
[music]|11:41 Gunther |  In April 2007, was recorded for the first time in the studio, in Tallinn , where they played a few instrumentals such as. "Broken Anus" and "Do Us, Parts"
[stevejobs]|11:42 Steve says, "So, this place I'm interviewing for wants me to fill out an application online before I go in"
[stevejobs]|11:43 Steve says, "They are asking for my full employment history, including my exact salary at every place"
[stevejobs]|11:43 Steve says, "I'm a little afraid that that's going to tie me down in what I'm asking for in the new position"
[stevejobs]|11:44 Gunther says, "pretty sure, once again, that that's illegal"
[stevejobs]|11:44 Steve says, "I reallt doubt that"
[stevejobs]|11:44 Steve says, "really"
[stevejobs]|11:45 Steve says, "Someone can ask me pretty much whatever they want"
[stevejobs]|11:45 Gunther says, "In that case, inflate by 100%"
[stevejobs]|11:45 Dave says, "you can leave salaries blank"
[stevejobs]|11:45 Steve says, "They can even ask me what my race is, although I have the option to decline to say without penalty"
[music]|11:47 K-Y says, "i should curb this music influx a little myself"
[lounge]|11:47 Tale was visiting Scotland and captured a haggis to eat, shortly before having an encounter with a
[lounge]|11:47 Tale says, "hi"
[videogames]|11:47 Gunther | Turns out Metal Gear Rising will just be a series of quicktime events where you get a reluctant Raiden out of bed in the morning
[music]|11:48 K-Y says, "I think I will make a rule"
[music]|11:49 K-Y says, "only get songs where they used that muffled echoey synth drum sound"
[stevejobs]|11:51 Steve says, "The salary thing is starred, so I have to put something there."
[videogames]|11:51 K-Y says, "no, no, that's Metal Gear Rising: Two Souls"
[stevejobs]|11:54 Steve says, "Arrgh, the same crap as always.  They want me to give a name of the company I work for/used to work for.  That is fine, of course"
[stevejobs]|11:54 Steve says, "But then they want an address and a phone number."
[stevejobs]|11:55 Steve says, "Address could be, I guess, either where I work or the corporate office in like Florida"
[stevejobs]|11:55 Steve says, "Phone number, I have no idea what they want"
[stevejobs]|11:55 Steve says, "I have my own desk number.  They probably don't want that"
[stevejobs]|11:55 Steve says, "There's no main switchboard for like the account in Michigan where I work"
[lounge]|11:55 inky's arrived just in time. A rogue cult has resurrected a necromancer named Azazael, who intends to enslave mankind through the five Gems of Zator, artifacts of great power.
[lounge]|11:56 inky says, "good morning"
[stevejobs]|11:56 Steve asks, "So do I give them the 800 for our parent company?  Try to find where to call for employment verification?"
[stevejobs]|11:56 Steve asks, "What about companies that aren't even around anymore?"
[lounge]|11:58 Yuri goes home.
[workplace]|11:59 Allen says, "we hired Rambo"
[workplace]|11:59 Allen says, "a new project manager named Danita Rambo"
[workplace]|12:00 inky says, "we have a rambo too!"
[workplace]|12:00 inky says, "(Wayne Rambo, to be specific)"
[smoochies]|12:00 Matthew says, "So, uh, I guess I'm looking for some advice."
[stevejobs]|12:00 Steve says, "They want my current manager name and what to know if they can contact him for a reference"
[workplace]|12:00 Allen says, "huh. Never encountered that last name in real life"
[workplace]|12:01 Allen says, "before"
[stevejobs]|12:01 Steve says, "I say 'no', and a box opens asking for the reason"
[workplace]|12:01 inky says, "me neither"
[smoochies]|12:01 Matthew asks, "If there's a woman I'm interested in, but I don't know if she's currently seeing anyone, is it okay to ask a friend who's also a coworker of hers if he knows?  Or is that weird?"
[stevejobs]|12:01 Steve asks, "The reason is because I'm still working there.  Fair enough to put?"
[stevejobs]|12:01 inky says, "yes"
[stevejobs]|12:01 Steve says, "I hate this whole damn thing."
[smoochies]|12:04 Dave says, "just ask her out to lunch and find out for yourself"
[smoochies]|12:04 vimes says, "yeah, it's a lot more effective to get it straight from the, uh, horse's mouth"
[smoochies]|12:04 inky says, "so you should find a horse and ask him"
[smoochies]|12:04 inky says, "where by "him" I mean "Mr Ed", because I don't think there are any other talking horses"
[google]|12:05 Doug | http://abstrusegoose.com/478
[smoochies]|12:05 Matthew asks (of inky), "And if he says 'nay,' what does THAT prove?!?"
[smoochies]|12:05 inky says, "anyway, if you want to, I don't think there is anything wrong with asking your friend"
[smoochies]|12:05 vimes says, "you're sort of putting the cart before the horse there"
[smoochies]|12:05 inky says, "hee hee"
[smoochies]|12:05 Doug asks, "have you already stalked her on Facebook?"
[smoochies]|12:05 Matthew says (to Doug), "I have.  Privacy settings are in full effect."
[smoochies]|12:06 Doug says, "ooh I hate that"
[smoochies]|12:06 vimes says, "give her a heart cut out of cardboard with 'i like you do you like me y n circle one' on it"
[smoochies]|12:06 Doug says, "it's like some people don't even *want* to be stalked"
[stevejobs]|12:08 Steve says, "Arrgh, they require a phone number for a company that no longer exists."
[stevejobs]|12:08 Steve says, "I can find a phone number for their successor company, but I dunno who is still there from when I was there.  Certainly not my manager."
[smoochies]|12:09 Matthew says, "I guess my confusion here comes from a sort of sub-issue."
[stevejobs]|12:09 Steve says, "This is so f-ing ridiculous"
[stevejobs]|12:09 Gunther says, "so put "DNE" or "N/A""
[stevejobs]|12:09 Steve says, "Only accepts digits"
[stevejobs]|12:09 Gunther says, "it's not like they'll even read the fucking thing"
[stevejobs]|12:09 Gunther says, "0, then"
[smoochies]|12:09 Matthew asks, "Is her saying 'Let's go out for drinks' roughly on with my saying 'Hey, let's go out for dinner?'  Or are they sufficiently different in terms of intent?"
[stevejobs]|12:09 Steve says, "AFAIK they contact past employers and references and such"
[smoochies]|12:10 inky says, "I am confused by this sub-issue"
[smoochies]|12:10 inky asks, "were you just talking and she suggested you go out for drinks?"
[smoochies]|12:10 Matthew says (to inky), "Basically."
[smoochies]|12:11 inky says, "that seems like it is asking you on a casual date, then, yeah"
[stevejobs]|12:12 inky says, "hmm, I think there are two kinds of things here"
[smoochies]|12:12 Matthew says, "Hrm."
[stevejobs]|12:12 inky says, "if they're asking for employers (ie, not references), then it seems like it's ok to put down a bogus number there and write a note that they're out of business (tack it on the name field if nothing else)"
[stevejobs]|12:13 inky says, "or to put down their successor company, like   Foo Systems (acquired by Bar Inc)"
[stevejobs]|12:13 Steve says, "I put in the address field that they don't exist anymore"
[lounge]|12:13 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|12:13 ghira says, "meep"
[stevejobs]|12:13 Steve says, "There is an arbitrarily short character limit in the name field"
[stevejobs]|12:13 inky says, "if they're asking for references, then you should obviously put down the current contact number for the manager"
[stevejobs]|12:14 Steve says, "Yeah, I'm not up to references because I can't get to that page until I finish this page"
[stevejobs]|12:14 Steve says, "A piece of paper to fill out instead of this form would solve most of these problems"
[smoochies]|12:15 Matthew says, "So, uh, then when we're out, can I safely say something like, 'Mumble mumble do you want to go out again sometime?'"
[smoochies]|12:15 Matthew asks, "'Like to dinner'?"
[smoochies]|12:15 Jota says, "Yes, if it seems to be going well."
[smoochies]|12:16 Jota says, "(If she's just slapped you, then I recommend against it.)"
[lounge]|12:16 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 509 of 4395 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Thursday, 12 Jul 2012, 12:16:24 PM EDT
There is one new message on #sci/space.
Rob says, "zbatbat"
#219 [sci/space]                   From: Hjalfi        Date: 12-Jul-12 06:06
Subject: Pluto sprouts another moon
There's no *end* to the buggers... http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/07/i-may-not-be-a-planet-but-check-out-my-fifth-moon-fools
[spoilers] Rob says, "hey, everyone's comments same as mine"
Recapping 56 of 56 lines from misc/spoilers:
[spoilers]/001 Iain says, "I think what annoys me most, although maybe it's a public service, is that everything that happens is so random and comes out of nowhere."
[spoilers]/002 Iain says, "It made me realise that Alien is basically the same. The alien gains a new ridiculous power every 10 minutes."
[spoilers]/003 Steve asks, "I can't see the PA URL here at work.  What's the gist of their complaint?"
[spoilers]/004 Iain says, "Whereas Alien*s* took all the crazy stuff in the first film and decided, okay, those are the rules, we'll stick with that all the way through."
[spoilers]/005 Iain says, "Which makes it a much better film."
[spoilers]/006 Iain says (to Steve), "It doesn't actually seem like a big complaint. When running away from a big donut-shaped spaceship, run to the side."
[spoilers]/007 Steve says, "Going back to the spoilery Prometheus stuff, I was OK with her kinda stumbly running just after, but not the part where she's literally hanging over a ledge and pulls herself up"
[spoilers]/008 Steve says (to Iain), "Oh, ok.  I made a crack about that in the theater when it was happening"
[spoilers]/009 Iain says, "I couldn't figure out why Charlize Theron's character was killed off like that."
[spoilers]/010 Iain says, "It was like she'd been cast as a villain and this was her ironic Hollywood send-off."
[spoilers]/011 Iain says, "But she hadn't done anything especially evil or stupid before that at all."
[spoilers]/012 Steve says, "I couldn't figure out why no one in the movie was doing their real accent"
[spoilers]/013 Fang asks, "has anyone ever run to the side when being chased by a rolly thing?"
[spoilers]/014 Fang says, "like, in anything"
[spoilers]/015 Steve says, "There was a part towards the end where Charlize Theron said, "What the hell are you talkin' about?" like twice within two minutes, and she said it in this same, rehearsed way both times.  CTTOI, maybe they just looped the line in twice"
[spoilers]/016 Iain asks, "If Indy doesn't do it, why should anyone else?"
[spoilers]/017 Steve says, "But it's weird.  You've got the Swedish lady as British, the British guy as Southern, the South African lady as American"
[spoilers]/018 olethros says (to Iain), "I dont see why killing off characters in a certain way should depend on their behaviour in the remaining part of the movi e"
[spoilers]/019 Iain says, "Oh, totally, *but* that's what Hollywood-y films do."
[spoilers]/020 Fang says, "well, it should if you want the audience to care about it"
[spoilers]/021 Iain says, "Unless they manage to break out of that cliche."
[spoilers]/022 Steve says, "Killing someone off in a spectacular way, with some blame on their stupidity for not moving a few feet to the side, is usually reserved for someone where they expect you to cheer their death"
[spoilers]/023 Fang says, "yeah"
[spoilers]/024 Iain says, "It felt to me like Prometheus was going through the motions of setting up Theron as a scummy character who gets a satisfying ironic death."
[spoilers]/025 Steve says, "And, yeah, at worst she was just sort of unpleasant"
[spoilers]/026 Iain says, "Except it was totally perfunctory her character was actually okay."
[spoilers]/027 Iain says, "Not in the sense of okay healthy, she still died horribly."
[spoilers]/028 Fang says, "there's a sort of 'silly deaths' budget films have to adhere to or else become a farce"
[spoilers]/029 Fang says, "so films have to spend that wisely"
[spoilers]/030 Fang says, "I wouldn't say it's a hollywood thing, it's more a narrative pacing thing"
[spoilers]/031 olethros says, "is the optimal escape route always perpendicular to the direction of travel of the obstacle? let us see"
[spoilers]/032 Fang says (to olethros), "haha"
[spoilers]/033 Steve says, "I mean, the thing was tall enough that if it fell one way or the other, which it did, it would still hit you"
[spoilers]/034 Iain says (to olethros), "Don't forget the movie is in 3D, so there's an entire plane of escape routes."
[spoilers]/035 Fang says, "it probably isn't 'let's wait for a moment while I figure this out'"
[spoilers]/036 Steve says, "But at least you have like 50-50 chance you picked the right side"
[spoilers]/037 olethros says, "if you are running, where basically acceleration is quite high until max velocity, then I suppose perpendicular is optimal"
[spoilers]/038 olethros says, "if you are in a vehicle, it may pay to accelerate away and then turn, depending"
[spoilers]/039 Steve says, "Overall I thought the movie was all right.  I certainly don't understand people who complain it was confusing.  If anything I thought its biggest issues were being too conventional."
[spoilers]/040 Iain says, "I just thought it was dumb."
[spoilers]/041 olethros says, "ok, yeah, it depends on the width of the chasing thing and on its speed"
[spoilers]/042 Iain says, "It started off all 2001, and okay it didn't all hang together but it *looked* great, and then devolved into this big monster fight chase scene rubbish."
[spoilers]/043 Fang says, "hmm"
[spoilers]/044 Iain says, "Which is what people said about Sunshine, but I still like that."
[spoilers]/045 Fang says, "let's take this to #maths"
[spoilers]/046 Steve says, "I've never seen that.  I should watch it sometime"
[spoilers]/047 Grocible says, "They never show Theron's character actually dying"
[spoilers]/048 Grocible says, "it's implied that she's squashed by the rolling thing, but she just vanishes in the haze of blowing tinkly gravel stuff"
[spoilers]/049 Steve says, "She might be alive, lying face down in a perfectly Theron-shaped hole in the ground"
[spoilers]/050 Iain says, "Ha ha"
[spoilers]/051 Grocible says, "or lying on the ground, with just the curved edge of the spaceship at her feet, miraculously unscathed for a sequel"
[spoilers]/052 Fang says (to Steve), "I think people thought it was nonsensical. That's not neccessarily the same as confusing"
[spoilers]/053 Fang says (to olethros), "the way I think about is is this"
[spoilers]/054 Fang says, "let's say you have a point (that's you)"
[spoilers]/055 Fang says, "and you have a line 1 unit, say, away from it"
[spoilers]/056 Rob says, "hey, everyone's comments same as mine"
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[spoilers] Rob says, "looked great, but when you thought about it it was stupefyingly random"
[stevejobs] Steve says, "For my EDS job, I just gave them Hewlett Packard's corporate HQ phone number, because I have no idea."
[spoilers] Rob says, "plus at the penultimate minute it botched the whole point of being a bridge to the first alien movie where we see why there's a dead giant guy in a dentist chair on the wrecked ship with alien eggs in it"
[spoilers] Rob says, "because he no longer dies in the chair"
[spoilers] Rob says, "which just seems ... why didn't anyone say hey wait"
[spoilers] Rob says, "either they didn't care, or weren't smart enough to realize"
[spoilers] Rob says, "I don't really like either explanation"
[spoilers] Rob says, "also the writers seem to have no idea what a geologist is or does"
[spoilers] Steve says, "Oh, I just assumed there's another giant guy"
[spoilers] Rob says, "except we saw the one giant guy, the only living one, get into the dentist chair before the ship got shot down and crashed"
[spoilers] Rob says, "so that would have explained it if they hadn't put in that last idiotic 'scare'"
[spoilers] Rob says, "plus the interviews where ridley scott says over and over again that what he wanted to do was explain who the guy in the chair was"
[spoilers] Steve says, "I didn't understand why there were these cryptic clues all over Earth that led humanity to where these giant dudes were from, except it didn't really lead to where they were from, but rather some obscure military base full of WMDs aimed at Earth"
[ultima] Matthew | "Ultima" fans have reason to rejoice, because BioWare has announced it is making a free-to-play version of "Ultima IV" with multiplayer support, updated graphics and improvements to the combat sections.
[ultima] Rob says, "ultima 4? huh"
[ultima] Rob says, "that's the last one I ever played"
Prompter builds the Lounge an airport and a freeway, but he, he, he ain't gonna play Sim City.
[ultima] Rob says, "partly because I never finished any of them"
[ultima] Rob says, "so I realized I probably wasn't enjoying them as much as I was pretending I wanted to be enjoying them"
[spoilers] Steve says, "Lisa said maybe they wanted to lure the earthlings there to get killed for whateve reason"
[spoilers] Rob says, "yeah but why"
[spoilers] Rob says, "that does seem to be what the aliens are up to"
[spoilers] Steve says, "But that didn't make sense, because they knew where Earth was and had the means to kill them"
[spoilers] Fang says, "maybe they were making a horror movie"
[spoilers] Rob says, "here's all the maps, come see us, ok, now it's time to kill you"
[spoilers] Steve says, "And it's not like all of Earth was going to be coming up to investigate"
[spoilers] Rob says, "hm yeah"
Grocible says, "ha. the LA Times got Martin Freeman and Morgan Freeman mixed up in a caption"
[spoilers] Rob says, "well this goes back to Iain's comment that everything just kind of seems random under any level of audience inspection"
[spoilers] Steve says, "They surely left like one guy behind to turn off the lights"
Rob says, "doh"
Grocible says, "elderly distinguished black American actor versus carefully dithering white English actor!"
[spoilers] Rob says, "also, what about being killed with acid on his face made the one guy come back as a zombie with superhuman strength and an urge to kill everyone and throw them at machinery"
[spoilers] olethros says, "maybe it was a trick for them to find earth!"
olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
</olethros> Turns out you can polish a turd.
Rob says, "hm what do I know Martin Freeman from"
Grocible says, "a succession of dithery characters"
Grocible says, "Arthur Dent in the HHG movie. Watson from the new BBC Sherlock"
Grocible says, "he'd be fine if he'd stop scrunching up his face"
[spoilers] Steve says (to Rob), "See, that's something I'm willing to let go"
Rob says, "oh the most recent arthur dent"
Rob says, "yeah actually I don't know this guy all that well"
Grocible says, "Bilbo Bagginses"
Rob says, "I've never watched either version of The Office for example"
Rob asks, "oh he's bilbo ?"
Rob says, "well I guess in a few months I'll know him well enough"
Grocible says, "Yeah"
Grocible says, "Scrunching up his face in the tailer"
Grocible says, "er"
Grocible says, "trailer"
Rob says, "oh, watson in sherlock"
Rob says, "Sherlock has never shown here where I am so I haven't seen it"
Rob says, "for some reason it's not on BBC America. I guess maybe PBS has the contract but I've never seen it play locally"
[spoilers] Steve says, "Like, super powers that the various aliens have that are unexplained are something I can deal with just as This Is What Happens in Monster Movies"
Grocible says, "the ones I've seen were good"
Grocible says, "it was well done"
[spoilers] Rob says, "yeah ok"
Grocible says, "Cumberbatch does a great Sherlock"
[spoilers] Grocible says, "btw: the planetoid in Alien is not the same one in Prometheus"
[spoilers] Grocible says, "hence the lack of bridging movies re: the dead space jockey"
[spoilers] Rob says, "I like things to have logic, I guess. the theory goes that for a given movie, it can choose whatever logic it wants, but then it has to stick to it."
Hjalfi says, "The BBC Sherlock? Yes, it was --- although it was written by Steven Moffat, who has Issues."
[spoilers] Rob says, "so I guess for you they're sticking to the logic of monster movie stuff, and to me I'm missing some explanatory rule for zombieness in this universe"
Rob says, "not sure what you're getting at with that comment"
Hjalfi says, "Everything I've seen that he's written is dripping with homoerotic tension. Which isn't *bad*, per se, but *everything* he does is like that, and after a while it begins to grate."
Rob says, "benedict cumberbatch and englebert humperdink were both on the graham norton show recently (a show for some reason I do get to watch), but unfortunately not on the same episode, so they couldn't be introduced to each other"
Prompter says, "Sherlock is worth getting the dvds in America. Interesting interpretation."
dfabulich leaves ifMUD without any non sequiturs at all.
</dfabulich> dfabulich has disconnected from ifMUD.
Rob asks (of Hjalfi), "eh?"
Hjalfi says, "But that shouldn't put you off watching it --- it is very good."
Rob says, "everything I've seen has been about men and women wanting to screw each other"
Hjalfi says (to Rob), "The joke was going round that he had written the Doctor Who scripts with one hand under the table..."
Grocible says, "the Moffat Dr Who stuff has less homo stuff than does RT Davies"
Rob says, "well how could you have more gay stuff than russell t davies"
Hjalfi says, "That is true."
[stevejobs] Steve | Please summarize any special training, skills, licenses, and/or certificates that may assist you in performing the position for which you are applying. (Limit to 1000 characters)
[stevejobs] Steve says, "Groan"
Rob says, "I guess there are the Master's dalek chest bumps to consider"
Rob says, "still it never struck me at all"
Jota says, "Didn't Moffat write Coupling? I thought that was pretty solidly heteroerotic."
Rob says (to Jota), "yeah"
Hjalfi says, "I haven't actually seen that."
Rob says, "so what doctor who script he wrote is rife with hand-under-the-table homoerotic tension"
ghira says, "I've seen the beginning of episode one, I think"
Rob throws up his hands.
[stevejobs] boucher says, "When I worked for HP, one thing I was told (and I don't know how common this is as a liability dodge, but it seems like a lot of major companies would) is that they would refuse to give references, nor to admit that a person was currently an employee, or if they were not, why not.  They would only, through HR, verify that a person had at some point, possibly including now, been employed by them."
Rob says, "what, did you just believe this because someone told you"
[whiz-games] Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "morn."
Grocible says, "Rob does this to prove that he hasn't got one hand under the table, you see"
Jota says, "One hand on the keyboard, the other hand on his... mouse."
Rob says, "I do have functioning gaydar, and it hasn't particularly pinged for moffat's writing that I've seen"
[stevejobs] boucher says, "They asked no further questions and answered no further questions"
Hjalfi says, "It *is* possible I'm confusing him with Davies, but their styles are so similar they're largely interchangeable..."
Rob says, "their styles are wildly not similar"
[stevejobs] Steve says, "The deal in Michigan, far as I know, if they have to tell someone whether you currently work there, and what dates you worked at a place in the past, from when to when"
[stevejobs] Steve says, "And this is an all-purpose employment verification thing"
Rob says, "the only thing they have in common is that they've both done doctor who"
Grocible says, "OK. I've rescheduled my CERN visit"
Rob asks, "you're going to CERN?"
Rob says, "check out some bosons"
Grocible says, "Probably"
Rob says, "cool"
Jota asks, "Heaving bosons?"
[stevejobs] Steve says, "So, like, if you're trying to get a mortgage and have to prove you're employed, or if you are starting a new job and they want to check, they get the same info"
Grocible says, "big heavin' bosons"
Rob says, "hee hee"
Grocible says, "timing"
Rob says, "is that a higgs boson in your antimatter collision or are you just glad to see the universe has mass"
Grocible says, "what are the other kinds of bosons? W boson is one type"
Gunther | "boson buddies"   About 3,430 results
[stevejobs] boucher says, "So as far as anyone knows by asking, I could have been an award-winning CEO who left because I was too awesome for the gig, or I could have been the janitor for one week then fired for urinating in people's coffee cups."
Grocible says, "Z"
Grocible says, "that's it"
[stevejobs] boucher says, "Or, an award-winning CEO fired after one week for urinating in the coffee cups, knowing HP"
Rob says, "where two guys have to dress as women in order to do particle physics research"
Grocible says, "the poor guy they're named after is totally forgotten"
Rob says, "Z boson sounds familiar"
Grocible says, "everybody thinks of Higgs"
Grocible says, "maybe because he was Indian"
Rob says, "huh"
Jota says, "Huh, Wikipedia lists some bosons, including 'The nucleus of a carbon-12 atom, which contains 6 protons and 6 neutrons'."
Rob says, "yeah I don't know of this guy at all"
[Internet] Allen | http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html
Rob says (to Jota), "hmmm"
Grocible says, "Mr Bose"
[Internet] Allen says, "or, actually, better here:"
Rob says, "inventer of the speaker"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Almost to the weekend."
[whiz-games] Rob says, "crawl clamber drag"
Grocible says, "he wasn't even a Dr"
Rob says, "oh huh"
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Quotations:
vimes (quoted by olethros, 09-Jul-12):
  [sex] inky says, "I think if you have a lot of intimate experiences with strangers you are probably going to get burned a couple times"
  [sex] vimes says, "if you can't take the heat, don't have sex with the kitchen"
BrenBarn (quoted by inky, 10-Jul-12):
  [personals] BrenBarn | That, or...I peed my pants in France once.
  [personals] inky says, "you can do anything you want in france as long as you say "tres chic" after it"
  [personals] BrenBarn says (to inky), "I think 'oui oui' might be more apt in this case"
boucher (quoted by borowski, 11-Jul-12):
  [music] boucher says, "Belatedly, combining both the links shared earlier...I'm sorry, I'm too hip to be caught listening to the Large Hadron Collider ever since it sold out."
[jobs] boucher says, "(Tangent from #stevejobs) One of the custodial staff at HP *was* dismissed for drinking beverages off of someone's desk."
Grocible says, "but he came up with some cool stuff that Einstein built on"
Grocible says, "but Einstein was very careful to give Bose credit"
[stevejobs] Steve says, "OK, finally off the employment page, and on to Education, which is always depressing"
[quotebooks] Rob says, "ha ha brenbarn oui oui"
[blokes] Dave says, "it seems I've forgotten to shave all week"
[jobs] boucher says, "He got caught because apparently he didn't suspect a webcam can be on even while the computer monitor is off."
[blokes] Dave says, "getting scruffy"
Grocible says, "obviously it's easy to come up with conspiracy theories after the fact, but that he was this relatively unknown Indian dude is probably why he never got no Nobel, seems to me"
[jobs] Jota says, "That is weird."
[blokes] Whizzard says, "Man, I can't shave more than 2 or 3 times a week unless I want my face to break out."
[blokes] Rob says, "you could probably pull off a beard"
[jobs] Jota says, "You wouldn't think beverages would be that hard to come by that you'd need to steal sips."
[kickstarter] GDorn says, "$4m.  That means about 40k units with no marketing campaign."
[jobs] Grocible asks, "were the drinks open or closed?"
[jobs] Whizzard says, "Also, if they were open, eww."
[blokes] Rob says, "I'm only recently weirded out to realize I have to actually shave every day"
[blokes] Rob says, "it took years for my facial hair to come in to that point"
[blokes] Jota says (to Rob), "But you can't pull off a beard unless you've attached it with spirit gum or the like."
[blokes] Rob says, "like puberty took 24 years"
[blokes] Jota says, "The real ones tend to remain attached unless you pull very very hard."
Grocible says, "huh. photons and gluons are types of bosons apparently"
[blokes] Rob says, "ow"
Rob says, "it's one of the more elementary of elementary particles"
[jobs] Whizzard says, "My cheeks let me down too much when it comes to a full beard."
[jobs] Whizzard says, "ha. ilac."
[jobs] Rob says, "I have weird bald spots in my cheek areas"
[jobs] Rob says, "the chin and mustache come in solid"
[jobs] boucher says, "We actually had to be called to a division meeting over it and upper management seemed unusually nervous about this act of vigilantism, and wanted to tell us, in the least clear manner possible that yes, the rumors were true, unless you hadn't heard them yet, in which case they weren't, and they weren't going to say any more, except that they disapprove of one or more actions by one or more parties, but also other things, and that we shouldn't do it again, whatever it was that may or may not have happened, and who they actually are referring to.  Understood?  Okay, dismissed."
Jota says, "He got to be the first name in condensates."
[blokes] Whizzard says, "Yeah. That's pretty much how mine works, (see #jobs), so I just have a goatee."
Rob says, "heh"
Gunther | "gettin' higgy wit it"   About 34,500 results
[blokes] Rob says, "doh channel"
Rob says, "ha ha"
[jobs] inky says, "HA HA"
Gunther asks, "is '34500' your way of saying "no idea", Google?"
[jobs] Rob says, "wow all caps laugh"
[stevejobs] Steve | Please list the name and telephone numbers of at least 3 Work-Related References. Acceptable references are previous/current managers that you directly reported to, College Professors, Athletic Coaching Professionals, or Mentors of any kind.
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[jobs]/001 olethros asks (of Fang), "so where did you say your next job will be?"
[jobs]/002 Fang says, "edinburgh"
[jobs]/003 olethros asks, "huh, why does google maps say that a 200km trip should take 3 hours?"
[jobs]/004 Fang says, "heh"
[jobs]/005 olethros says, "I thought there are highways"
[jobs]/006 Hjalfi says, "Edinburgh traffic, congestion round the bridge, and the motorway stops at Perth."
[jobs]/007 Fang says, "also wandering ravenous hordes of scots"
[jobs]/008 olethros says, "bilmey"
[jobs]/009 Hjalfi says, "OTOH the A90 looks like a pretty decent road."
[jobs]/010 olethros says, "by which I mean blimey"
[jobs]/011 olethros says, "two lanes each way? that should be fine."
[jobs]/012 olethros asks, "what's the speed limit on A roads?"
[jobs]/013 Hjalfi says, "70mph if you're a car."
[jobs]/014 olethros says, "that is reasonable. I don't go much faster than that usually"
[jobs]/015 Fang says, "it depends"
[jobs]/016 Hjalfi says, "Yeah, Google thinks our regular trip from Perthish to Lochcarron takes about four hours, which is right."
[jobs]/017 Fang says, "on whether it's a single or dual carriageway"
[jobs]/018 Hjalfi says, "(265 km.)"
[jobs]/019 Hjalfi says, "Oh, yes: 70 on a dual carriageway, 60 on single."
[jobs]/020 Fang says, "single carriageways are 60 mph, double carriageways are basically motorways, so 70"
[jobs]/021 Fang says, "google, I find, tends to be very conservative on travel times"
[jobs]/022 olethros says, "double carriageways just don't have a third emergency lane basically"
[jobs]/023 olethros says, "not that I'd ever drive in the UK"
[jobs]/024 Fang says, "they do usually have a hard shoulder"
[jobs]/025 Fang says, "but they generally lack the third overtaking lane"
[jobs]/026 Hjalfi says, "In England, motorways are typically three lane plus hard shoulder. In Scotland, two plus hard shoulder. The hard shoulder is optional on dual carriageways."
[jobs]/027 olethros says, "swiss highways have 2-4 lanes, plus a very wide emergency lane"
[jobs]/028 Fang says, "I'm assuming emergency lane = hard shoulder"
[jobs]/029 Fang asks, "?"
[jobs]/030 olethros says, "yeah, I think so. It is the same surface as the rest of the road"
[jobs]/031 Hjalfi says, "Irish major roads (non-motorway) have two main lanes plus two half-land hard shoulders. When someone wants to overtake you, you move across so you're straddling the hard shoulder and they go past."
[jobs]/032 ghira asks (of olethros), "why wouldn't you drive in the UK?"
[jobs]/033 Fang asks (of Hjalfi), "wait what?"
[jobs]/034 Hjalfi says (to Fang), "S'true."
[jobs]/035 ghira says (to olethros), "I mean, neither would I, but possibly for different reasons."
[jobs]/036 Fang asks, "you have to let them past?"
[jobs]/037 Hjalfi says, "It's generally considered polite."
[jobs]/038 olethros says (to ghira), "wrong side of the road"
[jobs]/039 Hjalfi says, "It's also a way to invite people to go past."
[jobs]/040 ghira says (to olethros), "I am told that you get used to it."
[jobs]/041 olethros says, "this is still the norm in greece"
[jobs]/042 olethros asks (of ghira), "before fatalities?"
[jobs]/043 annabianca says, "how do you call the single carriage road for both directions? I saw some in scotland"
[jobs]/044 Fang says, "'madness'"
[jobs]/045 ghira says, "there are roads near my workplace which are only a single lane full stop"
[jobs]/046 ghira says, "not one each way. one total."
[jobs]/047 olethros says, "hit the Jump button, sonny"
[jobs]/048 ghira says, "with occasional bulges so people can pass"
[jobs]/049 Fang says, "but yes, there are cou... right"
[jobs]/050 annabianca says, "they are mainly used by sheep"
[jobs]/051 Hjalfi says (to Fang), "Here's one: http://goo.gl/maps/lE27 "
[jobs]/052 Hjalfi says (to annabianca), "'Single track road'."
[jobs]/053 Fang says, "I assume these are not really roads, but venues for local enthusiasts to indulge their hobby of playing chicken"
[jobs]/054 Hjalfi says, "They work really well, actually."
[jobs]/055 Gunther says, "cf. Einbreith Bru"
[jobs]/056 Hjalfi says, "Here's a favourite of mine: http://goo.gl/maps/Ruds "
[jobs]/057 Hjalfi says, "If you look the other way, you can see a passing place, which these roads have at intervals."
[jobs]/058 olethros says, "these are very common in swiss mountains"
[jobs]/059 Gunther says, " http://cache.virtualtourist.com/4/812814-Einbreith_Bru_a_one_lane_bridge_Iceland.jpg "
[jobs]/060 Hjalfi says, "Pah, luxury."
[jobs]/061 Gunther says, "this one is super short but the *main road around iceland* has fucktons of them"
[jobs]/062 Gunther says, "they're tens of kilometers long sometimes"
[jobs]/063 olethros says (to hjalfi), "ah yeah, that's very common here"
[jobs]/064 olethros says, "I like the PASSING PLACE sign"
[jobs]/065 Hjalfi says, "I'll see your bridge and raise you an avalanche shelter: http://goo.gl/maps/iZaN "
[jobs]/066 olethros says, "yow, the widened the old road above martigny!"
[jobs]/067 olethros says, "I am now sad as it is no longer hair-raising :("
[jobs]/068 olethros says, "(or... hair-burning!)"
[jobs]/069 Hjalfi says, "The local council has been sneakily widening single-track roads up near Lochcarron. There's no money for widening, but there is to repair them, so whenever there's spare repair budget they've been 'working on potholes' on some of the really bad bits."
[jobs]/070 olethros says, "the thing is that most of these roads here have lots of blind turns and feature deadly falls, yet almost everybody seems to be merrily driving at 60kph"
[jobs]/071 olethros says, "or even 90"
[jobs]/072 annabianca exclaims, "oh skye!"
[jobs]/073 marc says, "egad, it's 18.38"
[jobs]/074 Dave says, "nice"
[jobs]/075 Dave says, "Redbox has decided to kill nearly all contractors by the end of the year"
[jobs]/076 Dave says, "and in most cases, well before"
[jobs]/077 inky says, "ouch"
[jobs]/078 Dave says, "I have to decide this week to convert to FTE or get an end date at the end of August or mid-September"
[jobs]/079 Matthew asks, "What do you think you'll do?"
[jobs]/080 (from Grocible) Dave says, "Me? Tied down to a full time job?"
[jobs]/081 Dave says, "well, I'm going to figure out what I would need FTE salary wise"
[jobs]/082 Dave says, "and give Redbox that number"
[jobs]/083 Dave says, "and they will laugh"
[jobs]/084 Dave says, "and then I'll get an end date"
[jobs]/085 Dave says, "but grocible pretty much nailed it on the head"
[jobs]/086 Dave says, "I ain't no FTE"
[jobs]/087 Whizzard says (to Dave), "Don't blame you."
[jobs]/088 Whizzard says, "I'm prolly cutting the cord by the end of the year."
[jobs]/089 Dave says, "the market looks solid...I'm pretty sure I can continue at the rate I'm at or higher for the foreseeable future"
[jobs]/090 Dave says, "there's no need to get conservative and take a full-time gig at a much lower income"
[jobs]/091 Dave says, "as much as I like Redbox"
[jobs]/092 Dave says, "it's not worth tens of thousands of dollars"
[jobs]/093 Dave says, "well this is mildly depressing"
[jobs]/094 Dave says, "but not entirely"
[jobs]/095 Dave says, "I was kind of hoping to get a gig in the city anyway"
[jobs]/096 Dave says, "so I can be closer to 1871"
[jobs]/097 Matthew asks, "1871?"
[jobs]/098 Dave says, "start-up incubator"
[jobs]/099 Matthew says, "Ah."
[jobs]/100 Dave says, "I'm a member and it's pretty awesome"
[jobs]/101 Dave says, "to compare, imagine you were in an office dedicated to all the people involved in theatre"
[jobs]/102 Dave says, "writers, actors, producers, directors, stage hands"
[jobs]/103 Dave says, "all in one place every day"
[jobs]/104 Jota asks (of Dave), "Are you going to figure in benefits like insurance and retirement and such into your number?"
[jobs]/105 Dave says, "the reality is, those are generally small numbers compared to revenue"
[jobs]/106 Dave says, "but I do consider them"
[jobs]/107 Dave says, "the problem I run into with FTE is that I do my taxes annually, not per paycheck"
[jobs]/108 Dave says, "with the support payment setup, Irene is responsible for her own taxes, so I only need to pay taxes on half my income"
[jobs]/109 Dave says, "if I were to take an FT position, the taxes would be taken out every check and I'd get a "refund" at the end of the year"
[jobs]/110 Dave says, "you can muck with this by claiming a higher level of deductions, but I really hate doing that...and some companies won't allow you to do that"
[jobs]/111 marc says, "difference of opinion as to whether i wasted yesterday"
[jobs]/112 marc says, "kind of awkward"
[jobs]/113 marc says, "[spent it doing tooling/administrative stuff]"
[jobs]/114 Johnny asks, "So, tooling around?"
[jobs]/115 olethros says, "ok, HR sucks"
[jobs]/116 annabianca says, "no news"
[jobs]/117 olethros says, "I've heard the expression that 'the left hand does not know what the right is doing' but the HR department is like a completely autononmous, mutated tentacle that strangles its head"
[jobs]/118 olethros says, "so after a lot of effort, I managed to get this greek doctoral student into an erasmus exchange program to come here"
[jobs]/119 olethros says, "that was by communicating with the EU grants officers"
[jobs]/120 olethros says, "he now contacted the HR department to ask about possible teaching assistant posts while being here, who said 'We inform you that we do not an Erasmus programme for PhD students'"
[jobs]/121 olethros head -> desk
[jobs]/122 olethros says, "I should go there and start a fuss"
[jobs]/123 olethros says, "their fucking bureaucratic shit rules"
[jobs]/124 olethros says, "HR is like... the appendix"
[jobs]/125 olethros says, "it does something mysterious which maybe somewhat useful but in the end it is probably best to just get rid of it"
[jobs]/126 olethros says, "they should just be staffed with accountants, and that's it"
[jobs]/127 ghira asks, "how do you get into HR?"
[jobs]/128 olethros says, "bribe"
[jobs]/129 annabianca says, "sex"
[jobs]/130 ghira asks, "I mean there are lots of things people don't grow up wanting to do, but what paths lead into HR exactly?"
[jobs]/131 olethros says (to annabianca), "that's what I head"
[jobs]/132 olethros says, "*said"
[jobs]/133 olethros says, "damn it, freud"
[jobs]/134 ghira exclaims (at olethros/annabianca), "get a room!"
[jobs]/135 olethros says, "being an accountant, I suppose - though why .."
[jobs]/136 olethros says, "well, I had a friend. He was a stoner. He wanted to do something somewhat interesting but not too taxing. So he went into economics"
[jobs]/137 olethros says, "Then he did a PhD in human resource management"
[jobs]/138 olethros says, "now he's in the HR department of olympic airlines I think"
[jobs]/139 olethros says, "(or perhaps he's teaching economics in a small college in athens)"
[jobs]/140 annabianca says, "is economics in greece like economics in the uk? in italy is more accountancy/business"
[jobs]/141 boucher says, "(Tangent from #stevejobs) One of the custodial staff at HP *was* dismissed for drinking beverages off of someone's desk."
[jobs]/142 boucher says, "He got caught because apparently he didn't suspect a webcam can be on even while the computer monitor is off."
[jobs]/143 Jota says, "That is weird."
[jobs]/144 Jota says, "You wouldn't think beverages would be that hard to come by that you'd need to steal sips."
[jobs]/145 Grocible asks, "were the drinks open or closed?"
[jobs]/146 Whizzard says, "Also, if they were open, eww."
[jobs]/147 Whizzard says, "My cheeks let me down too much when it comes to a full beard."
[jobs]/148 Whizzard says, "ha. ilac."
[jobs]/149 Rob says, "I have weird bald spots in my cheek areas"
[jobs]/150 Rob says, "the chin and mustache come in solid"
[jobs]/151 boucher says, "We actually had to be called to a division meeting over it and upper management seemed unusually nervous about this act of vigilantism, and wanted to tell us, in the least clear manner possible that yes, the rumors were true, unless you hadn't heard them yet, in which case they weren't, and they weren't going to say any more, except that they disapprove of one or more actions by one or more parties, but also other things, and that we shouldn't do it again, whatever it was that may or may not have happened, and who they actually are referring to.  Understood?  Okay, dismissed."
[jobs]/152 inky says, "HA HA"
[jobs]/153 Rob says, "wow all caps laugh"
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[jobs] Whizzard says, "Heh. That reminds me of the meeting we had at AEG over 'sexual harassment'."
[stevejobs] Steve asks, "How is an athletic coach a "Work-Related Reference"?"
[jobs] boucher says, "Yeah, well, see my quip on #stevejobs...I can only guess how the Mark Hurd matter was dealt with, but I'm sure it was as complicated as possible."
[stevejobs] inky says, "this also covers sports hires"
Rob says, "ok, back later"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.