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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob, fake_Robb_Sherwin
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this."
Channels created since last check:
 media/comics/homestuck     : (SPOILERS ABOUND) Anxiously awaiting the Squi
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday William!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder, Sarcasm Detector
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, Jon, Psmith, Jearl, small, McMartin, DorianX, Ryan, lpsmith, Matthew, Bishop, GDorn, Allen, Dave, annabianca, vaporware, jpt, Grocible, vimes, Jacqueline, maga, zaphod, Marktwo, Yuri, Johnny, DavidW, Steve, Doug, Fang, boucher, zarf, ghira, inky, Tale, jayellem, Emily, Jota, Hugo, Gunther, jenrexrode
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 3798 lines from recent channels:
[robmumble]/14:15 Rob says, "which my dad and I have to buy because she doesn't go to the store any more"
[people-suk]|14:15 Rob says, "something flitted through my mind during the nervous intro to what he had to say"
[sex]|14:15 vimes says, "also, i had some degree of jealousy for similar people until i realized how few times i've ever had my bathroom trashed by a stranger or my iphone stolen or contracted an sti or anything similar: zero"
[people-suk]|14:15 inky says, "I was assuming it was the usual story where you meet an old friend for dinner, you have a few drinks, and next thing you know"
[people-suk]|14:15 Jota says, "When Matthew comes onto #sex and starts saying 'I don't know who else to talk to' and 'I had dinner with a (male) friend of mine last night, the first time we'd seen each other in basically a year'."
[robmumble]|14:16 Rob says (to lpsmith), "yeah whenever we buy band-aids or rubbing alcohol or things like that I always think we're, uh, whatever that word is, facilitating"
[robmumble]|14:16 Rob says, "like ok we'll go pick up that heroin you ordered"
[people-suk]|14:16 maga says (to Jota), "I did my best to suppress my snarkage"
[people-suk]|14:16 Jota asks (of inky), "And you both realize your shared love of musical theater?"
[robmumble]|14:16 Steve says, "'Enabling' is generally the word, I think"
[people-suk]|14:16 Rob says, "ok so we all thought it"
[sex]|14:16 Matthew says, "Well, I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure it's possible to sleep with a lot of women and not have things like that happen."
[robmumble]|14:16 Rob says, "there we go"
[people-suk]|14:16 maga says, "I had got as far as 'I'm really happy for you'"
[sex]|14:16 Allen says, "our dba also had 2 kids from 2 different marriages that he had to pay child support on"
[sex]|14:16 Allen says, "so there's another thing"
[sex]|14:17 olethros says (to matthew), "well, it's not so easy, I think"
[robmumble]|14:17 Rob says, "yeah so we're all enabling, but what do we do? I've had that conversation with my dad and my brother and my aunts a number of times"
[people-suk]|14:17 katre says, "heck, I read it in reverse order due to the miracle of recap and I was thinking it"
[robmumble]|14:17 olethros asks (of Rob), "what do professionals say about this?"
[robmumble]|14:17 lpsmith asks, "Can you have the conversation with a therapist?"
[sex]|14:17 vimes says, "anyway, if you want to have more sex, go have more sex"
[robmumble]|14:17 Rob says, "my dad has given up and is committed to enabling because she makes his life miserable in a special way a wife can make a husband's life hell when he challenges her on this stuff"
[robmumble]|14:17 lpsmith says, "Obviously, it is something way beyond the bounds of what normal people are equipped to deal with."
[sex]|14:17 inky says, "hmm"
[robmumble]|14:17 Rob says, "I don't quite have that problem. she can gripe at me but she can't henpeck me"
[robmumble]|14:17 katre says (to rob), "possibly you and your father should consider seeing a therapist. not so much to help your mother but just to help yourselves cope"
[sex]|14:18 inky says, "I think if you have a lot of intimate experiences with strangers you are probably going to get burned a couple times"
[sex]|14:18 inky says, "it's like hitchhiking"
[robmumble]|14:18 Jota says, "katre may be right."
[robmumble]|14:18 Rob says, "my dad saw one at one point. the diagnosis he got after one session was that he sounded like he had all the stress signs of the spouse of an invalid"
[sex]|14:18 vimes says, "if you can't take the heat, don't have sex with the kitchen"
[sex]|14:18 inky says, "ha ha ha"
[sex]|14:18 vimes says, "(i almost typed 'with the chicken')"
[sex]|14:18 Tale says, ""It had everything in it but the kitchen sink""
[sex]|14:18 inky says, "also good"
[people-suk]|14:19 Emily says, "frankly I am actually a bit surprised that he wasn't more judgey about his friend"
[sex]|14:19 olethros asks (of vimes), "sure, remember 'keep fucking that chicken'?"
[sex]|14:19 Allen says (to vimes), " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72zLHGCOm-0 "
[sex]|14:19 lpsmith asks (of inky), "So, you give yourself a disease when writing a book about the kindness of people you sleep with across the country to generate interest in the book?"
[sex]|14:19 Rob says, "this is reminding me of the bit in Four Weddings and a Funeral where andie mcdowell starts enumerating all the guys she's slept with, and it goes into the 30s"
[sex]|14:19 Jota asks (of inky), "Wait, so if you have a lot of intimate experiences with strangers, are you eventually going to shoot yourself and blame it on someone you met at a bar?"
[sex]|14:20 inky says, "ha ha"
[sex]|14:20 Rob says, "and finally hugh grant wonders aloud what he's been doing with his time"
[sex]|14:20 vimes says, "several ha has"
[sex]|14:20 lpsmith exclaims (at Jota), "Timing!"
[sex]|14:20 Jota asks (of Allen), "Is that KFTC?"
[sex]|14:20 Allen says (to Jota), "no, it's the BBC"
[robmumble]|14:20 Rob says, "yeah maybe"
[sex]|14:20 vimes says, "thirty-seven? in a row?"
[sex]|14:20 Tale says, "Are people really that interested inb having sex with lots of different people? Seems like a crazy lot of effort"
[robmumble]|14:21 Rob says, "there is the other thing where if you go to talk to somebody my mom gets all angry and paranoid that you're talking about her behind her back"
[cabal]|14:21 katre says (to em), "yay party, boo being in seattle when I'm in Japan"
[cabal]|14:21 Emily says, "aw"
[sex]|14:21 inky says, "just have sex with one mr (or mrs) potatohead, and swap out the pieces a lot -- way easier"
[robmumble]|14:21 Rob says, "it's like geez this demon has left no opening whatsoever"
[robmumble]|14:21 Rob says, "where's the little missing scale like in Smaug's armor"
[sex]|14:21 vimes says, "personally, it seems like a better investment in time to put in practice with a small number of people"
[cabal]|14:21 Emily says, "but yeah, I'm not really expecting there to be much opportunity for people to come from out of town, especially with the minimal notice, but I wanted to ask just in case soemone happened to be planning to be around"
[cabal]|14:22 katre says, "totally"
[sex]|14:22 vimes says, "i mean, i wouldn't do trapeze tricks with a huge number of people and think that was better when i could do better trapeze tricks with one person after some practice"
[sex]|14:22 inky says, "ha ha"
[sex]|14:22 Tale says, "Finding someone compatible seems fare more, er, er, efficient in the long run"
[sex]|14:22 Rob says, "heh"
[robmumble]|14:22 lpsmith says, "Hmm."
[sex]|14:22 Ryan says (to vimes), "'interrobang' conveys this weirdly different meaning in this conversation."
[sex]|14:22 inky asks, "but c'mon, haven't you fantasized about doing a trapeze routine with irish identical twins?"
[robmumble]|14:22 Rob says, "this actually comes from something my brother did to make things worse at one point"
[sex]|14:23 inky says (to Ryan), "hooray"
[sex]|14:23 vimes says (to ryan), "i thought it was highly appropriate especially for the quote"
[robmumble]|14:23 lpsmith says, "It sounds like you are sort of enabling yourselves, too, which sounds common."
[sex]|14:23 Matthew says (to Tale), "I mean, that's my (theoretical) preference, too.  But, like I said, there's a certain 'fantasy fulfillment' aspect to this I can't quite get past."
[robmumble]|14:23 Rob says, "where *he* went to a therapist, and came back emboldened one day to tell my mom that all of his problems come from her, which wrecked her emotionally and she still talks about it"
[robmumble]|14:23 Rob says, "yeah I dunno, now this is the fabric of our lives"
[robmumble]|14:23 Emily says, "oh geez"
[sex]|14:24 Doug says, "so, none of my relationships have lasted more than 6 months"
[sex]|14:24 Matthew says, "And that it's someone I know personally is... even stranger."
[robmumble]|14:24 Gunther says, "ok, at this point it seems like dragging her out would in fact be the way to go"
[sex]|14:24 Tale says, "Yeah, as I said, I don't really see the fantasy appeal, either"
[robmumble]|14:24 Rob says, "yeah"
[sex]|14:24 Doug says, "I've been participating in relationships (off and on) for almost 20 years"
[robmumble]|14:24 Rob says, "every now and then I try something bold that almost seems like it might penetrate and make a change"
[robmumble]|14:24 lpsmith says, "Yeah, I think either you decide to live this way until you die, or you go out and find someone to tell you what to do."
[sex]|14:24 Tale says, "it only works if you think about it as "movie sex", where people are always 100% compatible on preferences"
[sex]|14:24 Doug says, "so my number is pretty high, but it doesn't seem that unusual to me"
[robmumble]|14:24 Emily says, "get your house fumigated so it's unlivable-in for two weeks and your family has to hang out in a hotel"
[robmumble]|14:25 Emily says, "(note: maybe not actually good advice)"
[robmumble]|14:25 Rob says, "last summer I was heading off to visit my aunts and my brother and his kids, and my mom was upset because her sisters would be seeing her new granddaughter before she got to"
[robmumble]|14:25 Rob says, "to which I wanted to say, well, then get on a plane and go"
[robmumble]|14:25 inky says, "I wonder if you could talk with a CBT therapist about stuff you can do"
[robmumble]|14:25 lpsmith says, "You may have to smuggle in a bunch of cockroaches first."
[robmumble]|14:25 Rob says, "and in fact I offered her my ticket and said you go instead"
[robmumble]|14:25 inky says, "I bet there isn't much with no buy-in from her, though"
[robmumble]|14:25 Gunther says (to Emily), "and yet so much better than the suggestion I didn't make"
[robmumble]|14:25 Rob says, "and she looked at me in a really serious way without speaking for like a minute and a half, with who knows what racing through her head, and then said in a very small voice that she couldn't"
[robmumble]|14:25 Gunther says, "(it also involved making the house unlivable)"
[sex]|14:25 Doug says, "I mean heck, even if I averaged only one relationship a year, I'd be up to 19, which I'm guessing sounds high to Matthew"
[robmumble]|14:26 Rob asks, "what's CBT?"
[robmumble]|14:26 lpsmith says (to Rob), "Aww."
[sex]|14:26 Matthew says (to Doug), "Uh... it sort of does, yeah."
[robmumble]|14:26 Rob says, "I was like, man, I got her to seriously think about it, though"
[sex]|14:26 Tale says, "Yeah, it does."
[sex]|14:26 Doug says, "but maybe your friend is not as old as me"
[robmumble]|14:26 Emily says, "cognitive behavioral therapy -- it's about teaching techniques to undermine irrational/unhealthy thinking patterns you get into"
[sex]|14:26 Matthew says (to Doug), "He's 31."
[robmumble]|14:26 Emily says, "(as I understand it)"
[robmumble]|14:26 Rob says, "ah yeah"
[robmumble]|14:26 inky says, "yeah that"
[sex]|14:27 Matthew says (to Doug), "And the thing that really shocked me is that he's slept with so many women he lost count.  He actually said that."
[robmumble]|14:27 vimes says, "extremely effective in many cases (it certainly was for me)"
[robmumble]|14:27 Emily says, "there are even some online courses for it"
[robmumble]|14:27 Rob says, "there was one time my dad suddenly called from the emergency room"
[sex]|14:27 Doug says, "yeah, I think I was at around 10 when I was 31"
[sex]|14:27 Matthew says, "Which suggests, to me, at least, a number way higher than 19."
[sex]|14:27 Tale says, "I'd say he's exagerrating"
[robmumble]|14:27 Rob says, "it turned out he was just dehydrated so he got dizzy and nauseous while driving, and my mom didn't know this yet and thought he had a heart attack"
[sex]|14:27 vimes says, "#tangent the templar in D3 says "i tried to count how many we've killed, but i lost track!" - and he almost always says it in my games after we've killed about three monsters"
[robmumble]|14:27 Rob says, "and she had me drive her to the ER"
[sex]|14:27 Tale says, "Uh, do girls like guys who can spell? I hope not"
[sex]|14:27 Jota says (to Doug), "I read that really weirdly."
[sex]|14:27 inky says, "ha ha"
[sex]|14:27 Matthew says (to Tale), "Given what I know of him, I honestly don't think so."
[sex]|14:27 Doug says, "but I am by no means a player or anything"
[robmumble]|14:27 Rob says, "so like she actually left the house. moreover, she was so worried about him for once she didn't worry about her face"
[sex]|14:28 inky says (to vimes), "ha ha more"
[robmumble]|14:28 Rob says, "and I was thinking wow this is great, she is sitting here in this waiting room and nobody's staring at her (they all have their own problems) and she will learn that she is afraid of nothing"
[sex]|14:28 vimes says, "if it helps any, i've lost count too"
[sex]|14:28 vimes says, "i could think back and add it up"
[sex]|14:28 vimes says, "but i don't /keep/ count"
[robmumble]|14:28 lpsmith says, "The problem with this problem is that the movie version is just too ripe with possibilities for solutions."
[robmumble]|14:28 Rob says, "sadly a few years later when I brought this up during a heavy discussion about her, she related this completely wrong version where EVERYONE WAS STARING AT HER"
[sex]|14:29 Matthew says, "Well... I don't know, maybe this is more common than I thought."
[robmumble]|14:29 Rob says, "and I said 'no, they weren't and she said "YES THEY WERE""
[robmumble]|14:29 Rob says, "and that was depressing"
[sex]|14:29 Matthew says, "Like I said, I don't exactly move in really socially adept circles."
[sex]|14:29 vimes says, "you don't have to move in socially adept circles, just in bed"
[sex]|14:29 Tale says (to matthew), "Yep, everyone except you gets laid a lot, man."
[robmumble]|14:29 Rob says, "pfhh. sometimes it does sound like serious madness"
[sex]|14:29 inky says, "ha ha"
[sex]|14:29 Doug says, "I keep count, but I think I am actually off by one.  I've been meaning to go and actually write down a list"
[sex]|14:29 inky says, "you might be overthinking how socially adept you have to be to have sex"
[robmumble]|14:29 lpsmith asks, "'sometimes'?"
[sex]|14:29 Tale asks (of doug), "Excel?"
[robmumble]|14:29 Rob says, "except in all other respects she is this smart sane capable woman"
[robmumble]|14:30 lpsmith says, "That's clearly what it is."
[robmumble]|14:30 Rob says, "but about this, not so much"
[robmumble]|14:30 lpsmith says, "right, but it's still madness."
[sex]|14:30 Doug says, "I think the thing is, most people have relationships that last a long while, so that puts their number way down"
[robmumble]|14:30 lpsmith says, "(in the literal sense)"
[robmumble]|14:30 Rob says, "I wish she could be made to see that it is"
[sex]|14:30 vimes says, "the TISM song i linked to earlier (everyone else has had more sex than me) is ever more appropriate"
[sex]|14:30 Matthew says (to inky), "Well, I think you need to be sort of good if you're scoring with multiple dozens of people."
[robmumble]|14:30 lpsmith says, "Well then, go see a therapist."
[sex]|14:30 vimes says, "no you don't"
[sex]|14:30 Matthew says, "(Er, good with... people.)"
[sex]|14:30 Doug says, "but number of partners is not a measure of how much sex you're having.  it's almost the inverse"
[sex]|14:31 vimes says, "i promise you, you don't need to be good with people to have the opportunity to sleep with dozens of people"
[robmumble]|14:31 lpsmith says, "Drag your dad along."
[robmumble]|14:31 Gunther asks, "could you, like, move the fridge out and force her to go get food?"
[sex]|14:31 Jota says (to Matthew), "Well, there's the thing inky mentioned about closing time."
[lounge]|14:31 BrenBarn busta.
[sex]|14:31 Matthew says (to vimes), "Huh, okay."
[sex]|14:31 Tale says, "And it doesn't say anything about the quality of sex, either"
[sex]|14:31 Doug says, "if you're scoring with multiple dozens of people *per year*, then yeah, that's some skills.  but over time, it just adds up"
[sex]|14:31 Jota says, "I assume you need to have the guts (if that's the right word) to try to hook up with a random stranger."
[sex]|14:31 vimes says, "socially awkward me (that is, me before about age 26 or so) had the opportunity to sleep with...man, probably a hundred or more women"
[sex]|14:32 Doug says, "and yeah, I've never 'hooked up'"
[sex]|14:32 vimes says, "socially awkward me took exactly one of them up on it, and decided he liked being in relationships better"
[sex]|14:32 Doug asks (of vimes), "what do you mean by 'opportunity'?"
[sex]|14:32 vimes says (to doug), "women trying to drag socially awkward me off to their apartment / car / coat closet, in many cases"
[sex]|14:32 Doug says, "jeez"
[sex]|14:33 Doug says, "ok that hasn't been my experience"
[sex]|14:33 Ryan says, "Perhaps you are very attractive."
[sex]|14:33 Ryan says, "Because I was socially awkward and had oppotunities to sleep with like four women."
[sex]|14:33 vimes says, "not particularly so, i understand"
[sex]|14:33 Rob says, "that has not happened to me ever"
[sex]|14:33 Doug says, "I've only been 'hit on' about 3 times"
[sex]|14:33 Rob says, "unless I just didn't recognize that was the deal"
[sex]|14:33 Doug says, "back in the 90s"
[sex]|14:34 vimes says, "however, i believe i have two big things going for me SHUT UP THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT"
[sex]|14:34 Doug says, "one of them actually asked me my sign.  I almost laughed out loud"
[sex]|14:34 Rob . o O ( two? )
[sex]|14:34 Tale says, "I have these very asexual phase, where I sometimes feel that attractive women get annoyed with me for not showing any interest"
[sex]|14:34 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[sex]|14:34 Rob says, "yeah"
[sex]|14:34 vimes says, "one: i seriously don't give a crap if i sleep with someone or not"
[sex]|14:34 Tale says, "Not because I'm that hot, but because guys are supposed to oogle, dunno"
[sex]|14:34 BrenBarn says, "heh, oogle"
[sex]|14:34 Rob says, "oogle heh"
[sex]|14:35 vimes says, "two: i am universally and equally nice to anyone i don't have a reason to be a jerk towards, male or female"
[sex]|14:35 inky says, "I assume oogle.com is not an image search engine"
[sex]|14:35 Doug says, "it has two pink ribbons"
[sex]|14:36 Doug asks, "some sort of breast cancer thing I guess?"
[sex]|14:36 vimes says, "i'm pretty sure these two contribute to people wanting to sleep with me, which is really counterproductive to the intended purpose of not having to worry about people sleeping with me"
[sex]|14:36 inky says, "hmm"
[sex]|14:36 Ryan says (to vimes), "You assumed I meant physically attractive."
[sex]|14:36 BrenBarn says, "but if you want to sleep with people wouldn't it better to be. . . a dick to everyone?  haw haw haw"
[sex]|14:36 vimes says (to ryan), "yes, i rather did"
[sex]|14:37 vimes says (to brenbarn), "a television in every living room! a dick in every chicken! i mean pot! i mean...crap."
[sex]|14:37 inky says, "ha ha"
[sex]|14:37 inky says, "'nice' is kind of a broad term"
[sex]|14:37 Fang says, "my god, vimes is an anime harem lead"
[sex]|14:38 BrenBarn says (to inky), "yeah, it doesn't apply to males"
[sex]|14:38 inky says, "heh"
[sex]|14:38 vimes says (to inky), "i'm hugely indifferent to anyone's gender, religion, skin color, socioeconomic status, et cetera"
[sex]|14:39 inky says, "like this ex-coworker of mine and I were both equally nice in the sense that we were pleasant to people and willing to do favors when asked and stuff"
[sex]|14:39 Tale says, "; :rips off vimes' mask. It's Jack Harkness."
[sex]|14:39 inky says, "but he also initiated a bunch of social interaction and had lunch with people and kibitzed in the halls and stuff"
[sex]|14:39 vimes says, "hee hee"
[sex]|14:39 vimes says, "yeah, i don't initiate social interaction"
[sex]|14:40 vimes says, "but apparently i invite it"
[jobs]|14:40 Matthew says, "Well, I officially expressed my interest in that job that opened up here."
[sex]|14:40 inky asks, "do you run with it when you get it?"
[sex]|14:41 vimes says, "well, i wouldn't say 'run', but i don't usually drop it on someone's toe, pop off a smoke bomb, and ninja-flee"
[sex]|14:41 inky says, "hee hee"
[sex]|14:41 BrenBarn says, "chyx flip for ninja-fleers"
[sex]|14:41 vimes says, "if the other person is willing to keep talking, i'm willing to keep listening, basically"
[sex]|14:41 inky says, "I thought it was the ninjas who flip out"
[jobs]|14:41 (from Jon) Matthew says, "long story short, I'm fired."
[kitties]|14:42 GDorn says, "sevenkittens back in view"
[sex]|14:42 inky says, "maybe chyx flip for ninja fleers, and flee from ninja flippers"
[sex]|14:42 vimes says, "now i'm envisioning a clan of secret assassin dolphins"
[kitties]|14:42 GDorn says, "a writhing piles of mews and chomps and wobbles"
[sex]|14:42 BrenBarn says, "I realized at a certain point that I had probably not been noticing chyx being interested in me before that point"
[kitties]|14:42 GDorn says, "-s"
[jobs]|14:43 Gunther says, "s/fired/CEO"
[kitties]|14:44 GDorn says, "now it's bathing and nursing time"
[jobs]|14:44 Matthew says, "I guess the big thing with this job is that I would need to brush up on my InDesign skills."
[jobs]|14:44 Gunther says, "oh dear god"
[sex]|14:45 inky says, "anyway, my super-limited experience is that if you want to get pickups from strangers you have to talk to a lot of strangers who are potentially compatible, because most interactions don't turn into pickups"
[whiz-games]|14:46 Whizzard stretches.
[sex]|14:46 inky says, "so you have to have a lot of conversations, which probably means you have to initiate them or be in a social setting where a lot get initiated naturally, and you have to have a lot of people who are potentially compatible, which presumably means single women for the crowd here"
[jobs]|14:47 Jon says, "what Gunther said."
[sex]|14:47 inky says, "(and being nice on its own is some sub-component of that but isn't really the main thing)"
[jobs]|14:47 Jon says, "I took a class that required a lot of inDesign work."
[jobs]|14:47 Jon says, "for my major project for that class, I turned in something I did in LaTeX"
[jobs]|14:47 Jon says, "because fuck inDesign."
[jobs]|14:47 inky says, "ha ha"
[jobs]|14:48 Whizzard says, "Well, as someone who got started with Quark originally, I like InDesign."
[jobs]|14:48 Whizzard says, "Because fuck Quark."
[sex]|14:48 BrenBarn says, "hmmm"
[jobs]|14:49 Steve says, "Yeah, I was doing support of an Apple shop when they moved from Quark to InDesign, and they were so happy"
[lounge]|14:49 Felix flies into the Lounge in his brand new space-car, which he then folds up into a brief case.
[lounge]|14:49 Felix waves.
[jobs]|14:49 Whizzard says, "SO. MUCH. BETTER."
[personals]|14:49 BrenBarn | http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/mis/3122613055.html
[jobs]|14:50 Whizzard says, "Anyway, could be worse. They could be using Quark."
[personals]|14:50 Jon says, "what"
[personals]|14:51 Emily says, "from the Cats Seeking Cats section"
[personals]|14:51 BrenBarn asks, "what part of 'I poot in bed' do you not understand?"
[personals]|14:51 inky says, "money can't buy non-pooting"
[personals]|14:51 inky says (to Emily), "hee hee"
[personals]|14:51 BrenBarn says, "there are like 8 replies to this 'money can't buy class' post, but the original post is gone"
[personals]|14:51 BrenBarn | http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/mis/3123579099.html
[personals]|14:51 Emily says, "though having now spent some time with Chris and also with Laura Mixon I feel slightly bad making jokes about that"
[personals]|14:51 Emily says, "but they're so ingrained"
[robmumble]|14:51 olethros says, "= 50"
[personals]|14:52 BrenBarn says, "if you're going to make a game with a character called Poot you gotta have a thick skin"
[housing]|14:52 Dave says, "so Irene put money down on a short sale"
[personals]|14:52 Emily says, "she is absolutely not a thick-skinned kind of person"
[housing]|14:52 Dave says, "looks like she slightly over-offered, or more accurately, offered a fair amount too quickly"
[personals]|14:53 Emily says, "we all talked about our various projects, and when she got to hers she was so emotional she cried, which was disconcerting though very sincere"
[personals]|14:53 BrenBarn | http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/mis/3123602313.html
[personals]|14:53 BrenBarn says, "dag"
[housing]|14:53 Dave says, "she probably could have gotten them down another $10k to $20k with patience"
[law]|14:53 Allen | British judges says Samsung tablets don't infringe on iPad because they "are not as cool."
[housing]|14:53 Dave says, "but when you like a house, that's really hard to do"
[law]|14:53 Allen | Samsung lacks the simplicity of Apple. Or as the judge put it -- with a Samsung-like failure to simplify -- they "do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design."
[law]|14:53 inky says, "ha ha"
[law]|14:53 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[jobs]|14:53 Matthew says, "I'm not detecting a lot of enthusiasm for my new career prospect."
[housing]|14:53 Jon says, "maybe I have no understanding of the market over there, but I wouldn't have thought 'buying a house' would be a thing to do right after getting divorced and having not much income."
[law]|14:53 BrenBarn says, "I want a patent on coolness"
[jobs]|14:54 Whizzard says, "What? Naw man, go for it."
[law]|14:54 BrenBarn says, "then every cool person would have to pay me, which would make me even cooler"
[jobs]|14:54 Jon says (to Matthew), "well you haven't said what's cool about it"
[jobs]|14:54 Jon says, "just that it involves hell tools"
[jobs]|14:54 Whizzard says, "InDesign isn't nearly as bad as these guys are saying."
[personals]|14:54 Emily says, "(I liked her, but she wasn't what I would have envisioned at all)"
[jobs]|14:54 Matthew says (to Jon), "I would be in charge of the tablet version of the magazine."
[housing]|14:54 Dave says (to jon), "we're talking Irene here"
[jobs]|14:54 Whizzard says, "Oh, that's badass."
[jobs]|14:54 BrenBarn says, "that's cool"
[law]|14:54 Jon says (to BrenBarn), "pretty sure the hipsters have prior art"
[law]|14:55 Jon says, "they were cool before it was cool"
[jobs]|14:55 Whizzard says, "That's definitely a good place to be."
[jobs]|14:55 Jon says, "that's pretty rad"
[jobs]|14:55 Ryan says (to Matthew), "Whoa, that sounds awesome."
[law]|14:55 BrenBarn says, "only if they can prove it in court"
[housing]|14:55 Dave says, "I hope no one was under the impression that I was exagerating when I said she was slightly insane"
[workplace]|14:55 Bishop says, "#very-belated from #anime: Our IT person has a 3.5" drive. And a 5.25". And a zip and Jaz. He keeps these around because he knows sooner or later one of us is going to want to get data off of one of these. Also, there are still grant proposals and government accountability programs (if few and far between) which actually want documents delivered on floppy diskettes."
[housing]|14:56 Dave says, "I'm not sure what the personality defect is called, but I describe it as "I want something. Here's the price. That doesn't matter. I'll take it.""
[jobs]|14:56 Matthew says, "I've asked the other people who work on it (mostly in production capacities) what the InDesign load is like for the editor, and they've assured me it's pretty light."
[lounge]|14:56 jenrexrode wanders off.
[dave's-drama]|14:56 Jon asks, "hm. if you can show her to be making extremely stupid financial decisions, can you get more custody rights out of that? or is that not a battle you want to reopen right now?"
[jobs]|14:56 Matthew says, "So I don't think that's like a huge reason to be concerned about this job."
[jobs]|14:56 vimes says, "that sounds really great"
[dave's-drama]|14:56 Dave says, "we're divorced"
[dave's-drama]|14:57 Dave says, "I have no control over her stupidity"
[dave's-drama]|14:57 Dave says, "which is a good thing mostly"
[dave's-drama]|14:57 Jon says, "well, I meant if her financial decisions impede her ability to properly care for the kids"
[dave's-drama]|14:57 Dave says, "now...if this all works out as planned, it may be a pretty good deal for her"
[dave's-drama]|14:58 Dave says, "the interest rates are crazy low"
[dave's-drama]|14:58 Dave says, "if she gets a 30yr fixed at 3.5% on a $217k mortgage with an $8k down-payment"
[dave's-drama]|14:58 Dave says, "that's really not that bad, even if she's paying $10k too much"
[dave's-drama]|14:59 ghira says, "that seems like a very low downpayment"
[sex]|14:59 * ghira has joined the channel.
[dave's-drama]|14:59 vimes says, "you can pay less than 20% in some situations if you get mortgage insurance"
[diet]|14:59 Matthew says (to vimes), "Oh, hey."
[diet]|14:59 Matthew asks (of vimes), "What exactly is the diet you do?"
[dave's-drama]|14:59 Dave says, "FHA loan"
[dave's-drama]|15:00 Dave says, "5%"
[dave's-drama]|15:00 Jon asks, "first-time homebuyer?"
[dave's-drama]|15:00 Dave says, "yeah"
[diet]|15:00 vimes asks (of matthew), "oh, with the balanced macronutrients and so forth?"
[diet]|15:00 Matthew says, "Yeah."
[dave's-drama]|15:00 Dave says, "she was on the deed of our house, but never the mortgage"
[dave's-drama]|15:00 Jon says, "I'm really hoping those programs are still around by the time I'm ready to buy."
[jobs]|15:01 Matthew says, "I basically meet all their requirements, but I've never been in charge of plotting out whole issues of a magazine before.  The good thing is I won't be responsible for creating the content, just sort of 'shepherding' it into the Digital Edition format."
[diet]|15:02 vimes says, "hm, i don't know if there's a popular name for it"
[web-toons]|15:02 Jearl says, "#homsestuck OMFG"
[diet]|15:02 vimes says, "we got a nutritionist and it was recommended to us"
[icehouse]|15:03 Doug says, "huh, someone has a rules question about a game I designed like 6 years ago"
[web-toons]|15:03 vimes says, "man, i haven't read homestuck in a while"
[web-toons]|15:03 Jon says, "I thought he was taking a break for SDCC!"
[web-toons]|15:04 Jearl says, "apparently he has completed at least phase one"
[web-toons]|15:04 Jon says, "damn. now I have to go home and watch this. Starbucks wifi is not up to flash updates."
[web-toons]|15:04 Jearl says, "he is a very industrious fellow"
[web-toons]|15:04 Jon says, "bbiab"
[web-toons]|15:04 Jon says, "(also is it worthwhile to have a #homestuck channel?)"
[web-toons]|15:04 Jearl says, "it'll just be you and me and people to denounce our love"
[web-toons]|15:05 vimes says, "ha ha"
[web-toons]|15:05 vimes says, "no, i'd totally join and look wistful all the time"
[web-toons]|15:05 Jearl says, "and maybe GDorn who occasionally takes a stab when I say things like HOMESOOKS OMFG"
[web-toons]|15:05 GDorn says, "at the rate I am catching up, I'll be able to join the channel in maybe six months"
[web-toons]|15:05 GDorn says, "unless I go on an update bender"
[web-toons]|15:06 GDorn says, "@topicc GDorn says, "Man, not another wall of text.""
[diet]|15:06 vimes says, "hm, it looks like the Eatwell Plate is pretty close to what she was recommending as far as proportions go"
[lounge]|15:07 jpt wavies.
[old-farts]|15:07 Fang says, " http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jul/09/suit-students-experience-old-age "
[diet]|15:07 Dave says, "I'm down to 209"
[diet]|15:07 Dave says, "despite kind of eating unhealthy on vacation"
[lounge]|15:07 Felix asks, "What's new in IF land?"
[old-farts]|15:08 Fang | Consisting of ear-protectors that stifle hearing, a yellow visor that blurs eyesight and makes it hard to distinguish colours, knee and elbow pads which stiffen the joints, a Kevlar-jacket-style vest which presses uncomfortably against my chest, and padded gloves, the Age Man Suit, which weighs around 10kg, has been custom-made to simulate the physical consequences of old age. I have not felt so encumbered since being nine-and-a-half months pregnant, or so claustrophobic since climbing into the cramped hiding place an Iraqi dissident had built beneath his kitchen.
[old-farts]|15:08 Fang says, "(slightly bragging there, eh?)"
[celebrities]|15:08 Gunther | Katie Holmes "Felt Like She Was in Rosemary's Baby" With Tom Cruise Marriage
[celebrities]|15:08 Gunther asks, "what have you done with his eyes?"
[lounge]|15:08 DavidW says (to Felix), "Herbstlaub 2011"
[diet]|15:08 vimes says, "and the other important thing with what we're doing is to get past the 'food-obsessed due to famine mode' brain configuration"
[lounge]|15:08 DavidW says, "er 2012"
[diet]|15:08 vimes says, "which worked really well for laura and which it seems like i never had much of to begin with"
[diet]|15:09 Matthew says (to vimes), "Well, you saw the discussion on #sex, so yeah, I'm probably in trouble."
[lounge]|15:09 Felix exclaims, "Ah, right!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:09 GDorn | If not I?m honestly not sure what that colour is supposed to be, but since we?re in the United States of America, baby, it?s probably supposed to taste like Doritos? Cool Chill LaffyTaffy Xtreme Blast Featuring Marvel?s Amazing Spider-Man 3D In Theaters Everywhere.
[lounge]|15:09 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|15:09 Ellison says, "re"
[web-toons]|15:09 Jearl says, "ok, for once the massive update is just joyous instead of 5 parts joy + 4 parts despair"
[lounge]|15:09 Felix says, "But my knowledge of German is reduced to a few basic words. so."
[lounge]|15:09 Felix exclaims, "Hi!"
[diet]|15:09 vimes asks (of Matthew), "you mean everyone else eats way more than you and you're jealous?"
[web-toons]|15:10 Jearl says, "because I am still pretty upset about SPOILER dying and that was over a year ago"
[diet]|15:10 vimes says, "dude, it's ok, it's not that hard to pick up chickens"
[diet]|15:10 Matthew says (to vimes), "No, 'obsessed due to famine' mode."
[art]|15:10 Fang says, " http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2012/jul/09/mark-wallinger-national-gallery-diana "
[diet]|15:10 Matthew says (to vimes), "I'm sure there are worse things I could be doing to the chickens, too."
[web-toons]|15:10 GDorn says, "yep.  still not there yet."
[web-toons]|15:10 GDorn says, "there's some possible foreshadowing."
[diet]|15:10 vimes says, "if you can't stand the heat..."
[web-toons]|15:10 Ryan says, "I am really hoping that this comic has a character actually named "SPOILER"."
[diet]|15:10 Matthew says, "Ha ha ha."
[web-toons]|15:10 GDorn says, "haha"
[web-toons]|15:10 Gunther says, "that would be awesome"
[web-toons]|15:10 Jearl says, "batgirl III, we barely knew her..."
[lounge]|15:10 Rob moseys right on out.
[web-toons]|15:11 Jearl asks, "steph brown? anyone?"
[web-toons]|15:11 Gunther says, "Major Spoiler, commander of the USS Zomg"
[lounge]|15:11 DavidW says (to Felix), "Much less importantly, I created a silly page on ifwiki: http://ifwiki.org/index.php/List_of_one-word_titles "
[web-toons]|15:11 Gunther says, "yes, that makes no sense"
[lounge]|15:11 Felix says, "You're a most prolific wiki maintainer."
[lounge]|15:12 Storme enters.
[lounge]|15:12 Storme says, "hi all"
[lounge]|15:12 maga says, "hey Storme"
[lounge]|15:13 DavidW says, "Sometimes. If I was better at it, we wouldn't have an article on the front page that was over a year old."
[music]|15:13 Allen says, "this is gorgeous: Stile Antico. Ego flos campi et lilium convallium."
[lounge]|15:13 Felix says, "Hello."
[lounge]|15:13 Felix chuckles.
[frowned-elitism]|15:13 Storme says, "woohoo"
[frowned-elitism]|15:13 Storme says, "pez's wedding dress is in the uk"
[music]|15:14 Allen says, "I am the flower of the field and the lily of the valley"
[frowned-elitism]|15:14 Storme says, "(at customs clearance)"
[lounge]|15:14 DavidW says, "I'm no blogger; I just want to organize stuff."
[lounge]|15:14 Felix says, "Any wiki needs gnomes."
[diet]|15:14 vimes says (to matthew), "i could forward you the eating competence / attitudes self-tests we used, if you're interested"
[diet]|15:14 Matthew says (to vimes), "Sure, that'd be great, thanks."
[lounge]|15:15 inky says, "some men just want to watch the world organize"
[diet]|15:15 (from vimes) vimes says, "feel free to substitute "bangin'" fore "eating" everywhere if you like"
[diet]|15:15 vimes asks, "you like your gmail address, or where?"
[lounge]|15:15 Felix grins.
[music]|15:15 K-Y says, "not enough musicians these days understand the importance of going one octave higher during the final chorus"
[lounge]|15:16 DavidW says, "What I should do is stop a bit, make and eat lunch, then finish my household chores from yesterday."
[diet]|15:18 vimes says, "assuming gmail, it's sent"
[music]|15:19 K-Y says, "preferably while adding a backing chorus"
[diet]|15:19 Matthew exclaims, "Gmail works!  Thanks!"
[lounge]|15:19 Felix exclaims, "Sounds good!"
[movie]|15:19 GDorn | Assassin?s Creed is next to be dragged to the blockbuster movie adaptation stocks, and none other than Michael ?only good thing about Prometheus? Fassbender is going to wilfully endanger all his good work of recent years by co-producing and starring in it.
[movie]|15:20 GDorn says, "this misses the fact that there's already a (terrible) Assassin's Creed movie."
[lounge]|15:20 jayellem entered the lounge. This time there was a brief pause before the mass wailing recommenced. jayellem? What kind of people were in control of this MUD? The crying took on a bitter and disillusioned tone.
[movie]|15:20 Matthew says (to GDorn), "You can never have too many."
[lounge]|15:20 Ellison says, "hey jayellem"
[lounge]|15:20 jayellem exclaims (at Ellison), "Hi there!"
[movie]|15:20 vimes says, "you know, if there's random innocent-people shanking, then it'll be fine"
[lounge]|15:21 Felix waves.
[movie]|15:21 GDorn says, "that  would be an awesome in-joke.  he goes to shank his target, but a random bystander moves in the way at just the wrong time..."
[movie]|15:22 GDorn says, "I've started more city-wide manhunts that way..."
[movie]|15:22 Fang asks (of GDorn), "there was?"
[movie]|15:22 Fang asks, "there was an AssCreed movie? When?"
[movie]|15:22 vimes says, "also, flinging-yourself-from-high-buildings-into-haystacks-even-though-you-probably-meant-to-climb-that-wall"
[movie]|15:23 GDorn says, "oh, apparently it was a mini-series.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1587390/ "
[web-toons]|15:23 Jon says, "okay, I made #homestuck. it is a spoiler-laden zone."
[politics]|15:23 Bishop says, "OK, I am ignorant. What _is_ a health-insurance exchange, in simple terms? I get the impression it's set up on the state level and ties somehow to the (now voluntary) Medicaid expansion, but otherwise I'm in the dark."
[web-toons]|15:23 Jearl says, "huzzah"
[lounge]|15:23 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|15:23 * Emily has disconnected.
[politics]|15:24 inky | A health insurance exchange is a set of state-regulated and standardized health care plans in the United States, from which individuals may purchase health insurance eligible for federal subsidies.
[politics]|15:24 inky says, "the wikipedia article looks pretty comprehensive"
[politics]|15:24 inky | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_exchange
[movie]|15:24 K-Y says, "man, the Kingdom of Heaven people will never stop getting work at this rate"
[vimesical]|15:24 Matthew asks (of vimes), "I hate to sound stupid, but what am I supposed to do after I've filled these out?"
[vimesical]|15:24 inky says, "eat them"
[lounge]|15:24 jayellem asks, "How are we all doing on this fine Monday <whatever time of day it is where you are>?"
[vimesical]|15:24 Matthew exclaims (at inky), "They're PDFs!"
[vimesical]|15:25 inky says, "Portable Delicious Food!"
[vimesical]|15:25 vimes says, "there is some official 'grading key' that i don't have a copy of, but i'll tell you which questions are positive = high eating competence and which aren't"
[lounge]|15:25 Felix says, "Very very sleepy."
[lounge]|15:25 Felix asks, "And you?"
[lounge]|15:25 inky says, "I am eating lunch!"
[videogames]|15:25 Fang says, "what. http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Something_Special_For_Someone_Special "
[lounge]|15:25 jayellem says, "Tired, I guess. Somewhat bored."
[politics]|15:25 Bishop asks, "OK, so a HIX is just a government-provided individual-purchase insurance plan?"
[lounge]|15:25 Johnny says (to inky), "That's a dangerous thing to do in Russia."
[politics]|15:26 inky says, "I think a set of them"
[politics]|15:26 inky says, "but yeah"
[politics]|15:26 Bishop says, "Oh, I see, they're just a government-provided interface _to_ group insurance."
[lounge]|15:26 Felix asks, "Because in Soviet Russia lunch eats you?"
[lounge]|15:27 Johnny says, "Not in those terms, but yes."
[vimesical]|15:27 vimes says, "ok, in 1: 5, 15, and 25 are pretty neutural, everything else is more frequently = less eating competency"
[vimesical]|15:28 vimes says, "in 2: everything is more frequently = more eating competency"
[politics]|15:28 Fang asks, "it's an API?"
[vimesical]|15:29 vimes says, "in 3: the 'more trust' (i.e. more eating competency) answers are 2, 4, 7, 9, 11, 14, 16, 18, 22 - agreeing with those and disagreeing with the others = more eating competency"
[lounge]|15:29 inky says, "in soviet russia, lunch eats your lunch"
[vimesical]|15:29 Matthew says, "Hmm, okay."
[vimesical]|15:30 Matthew says, "Thanks."
[lounge]|15:30 Felix exclaims, "Tee-hee!"
[vimesical]|15:31 vimes says, "and the idea is that if you have a high eating competency, your attitude towards food and eating supports a healthy food intake level, weight, et cetera, and if not, you're working at cross purposes to your attempts to be healthy"
[vimesical]|15:32 vimes says, "(largely resulting in, among other things, the obsessed-due-to-famine-mode thing i mentioned earlier)"
[lounge]|15:32 RootShell wanders in. "Adventurer's Lounge?" he says. "What's up with that?"
[lounge]|15:32 RootShell says, "Hello"
[lounge]|15:32 inky says, "hey RS"
[lounge]|15:32 RootShell says (to inky), "Hey"
[lounge]|15:32 Felix exclaims, "Hi!"
[lounge]|15:33 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]|15:33 jenrexrode says, "re"
[vimesical]|15:33 inky says, "also, if you do really well on this quiz you are a master biter"
[vimesical]|15:33 vimes says, "hee hee"
[vimesical]|15:33 Matthew says, "Man, I already masticate all the time."
[lounge]|15:33 Felix exclaims, "Hello!"
[stevejobs]|15:34 Steve says, "I feel kinda weird sneaking behind my boss's back looking for a new gig"
[wildlife]|15:34 olethros says, "christmas island crabs are awesome"
[vimesical]|15:34 vimes says, "it's a sign of a healthy life if you masticate in public the same way you masticate in private"
[wildlife]|15:34 jenrexrode says, "yeah"
[lounge]|15:35 RootShell says (to Felix), "Hi"
[lounge]|15:35 RootShell says (to jenrexrode), "Hello"
[Internet]|15:35 K-Y says, "I am disturbed by people who apparently dedicate themselves to modeling random clothes on the internet"
[wildlife]|15:35 olethros says, "by which I mean really tasty"
[Internet]|15:35 inky asks, "do you mean cosplayers?"
[web-ideas]|15:35 Ryan says, "One could potentially use browser-provided sync services as a form of remote storage for web apps by writing data into hidden password fields in a mock form, as long as the user agrees to save their password and has their browser set to sync credentials."
[Internet]|15:36 K-Y says, "normal clothes"
[web-ideas]|15:36 Ryan says, "(This is a ridiculous idea.)"
[web-ideas]|15:36 inky says, "but cunning"
[wildlife]|15:36 jenrexrode says, "oh, i thought you meant creepy"
[Internet]|15:37 K-Y says, " http://lookbook.nu "
[wildlife]|15:37 olethros says, "no, I meant really cool"
[Internet]|15:37 inky says, "oh, style blogs"
[vimesical]|15:38 vimes says (to matthew), "(are you looking for a new eating system, or what's up?)"
[vimesical]|15:38 Matthew says, "Yeah, basically."
[vimesical]|15:38 inky says, "I want to know what he scored!"
[vimesical]|15:38 Matthew says, "I've sort of hit that time in my 30s where my metabolism is changing, and I can't just eat everything the way I used to."
[programming]|15:39 inky asks, "what is the difference between 'list foos' and 'search foos'?"
[vimesical]|15:39 Allen says, "man, I remember when that happened, and I could no longer go by taco bell and get a 10-pack of tacos, 2 burritos, a mexican pizza, and a 40-oz soda"
[vimesical]|15:39 Matthew asks (of Allen), "You had to stop getting the pizza?"
[programming]|15:39 katre says, "search can have modifiers"
[programming]|15:40 katre says, "search terms, ordering, sorting, multiple types of filter"
[programming]|15:40 katre says, "list is 'here's everything in an arbitrary order'"
[programming]|15:40 lpsmith says, "Eventually you will work your way up to 'pity foos'"
[programming]|15:40 Gunther says, "taking 20, if you're using .NET 3.5"
[programming]|15:40 inky says, "hee hee"
[programming]|15:40 inky says (to Gunther), "hee hee more"
[programming]|15:40 inky asks (of katre), "so if it lists everything if you don't pass any filters, but you can optionally pass filters by date etc, then you think it's a search?"
[programming]|15:41 katre says, "I'd say a search"
[Internet]|15:41 K-Y says, "I mean, the self-models"
[programming]|15:41 katre says, "there's a grey zone"
[Internet]|15:42 annabianca says, ""famous" fashion bloggers get free stuff"
[wildlife]|15:43 jenrexrode says, "that kinda moving carpet act is the definition of creepy"
[Internet]|15:43 annabianca says, "also in that link they seem aspiring models"
[wildlife]|15:43 olethros says, "ah, in the docu I was watching it was different"
[lounge]|15:43 Grocible says, "howdy"
[wildlife]|15:44 olethros says, "it showed how the crabs face death by going out in the ocean to lay their eggs"
[lounge]|15:44 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[wildlife]|15:44 olethros says, "so it was all sad"
[lounge]|15:45 Storme was a still life lived on mobile phones.
[lounge]|15:45 * Storme has disconnected.
[textfyre]|15:45 Dave says, "10 sold in 1 week"
[textfyre]|15:45 Dave says, "eh"
[wildlife]|15:46 jenrexrode says, "but the next month, the babys come back"
[lounge]|15:46 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[textfyre]|15:46 Dave says, "still no reviews"
[textfyre]|15:46 Matthew asks, "What awere you expecting?"
[textfyre]|15:46 Dave says, "I have zero expectations"
[textfyre]|15:46 Dave says, "since it's not being marketed at all"
[textfyre]|15:46 Matthew asks (of Dave), "Do you want me to see if i can get someone here to review it?"
[textfyre]|15:46 Matthew says, "(Or at least ask?)"
[wildlife]|15:47 jenrexrode says, "weather permitting"
[wildlife]|15:47 inky says, "baby got back"
[lounge]|15:48 Felix waves and heads to bed.
[lounge]|15:48 Felix goes home.
[lounge]|15:54 RootShell http://www.ifreviews.org
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:02 Gunther asks, "ok, what on earth is "nerd blackface"?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:02 McMartin says, "I can think of no non-terrible answer to this question"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:02 inky asks, "black glasses and a pocket protector?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:02 Gunther says, "I am pretty sure there is none"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:03 inky says, "maybe buckteeth"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:03 Gunther says, "apparently Big Bang Theory is 'nerd blackface'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:03 Steve says, "I was about to say I usually only hear that kind of language about that show"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:03 Steve says, "Though I have more typicalle heard, "Nerd minstrel show""
[lounge]|16:04 Grocible says, ""i like it very much about hearing this wonderful machine and i want to know more about this machine i like it very much the machine is looking very brightful and it is a new technology""
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:04 Steve says, "Same spirit, anyway"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:04 Gunther asks, "that's... pretty offensive?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:05 McMartin says, "It's trying to borrow the offense, but the problem here is that I can *also* think of no non-worse thing to call Big Bang Theory that doesn't also fail to invoke the primary thing wrong with it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:05 McMartin says, "'Nerd Blackface' bugs me in a way 'Nerd Minstrel Show' does not, oddly."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:05 Gunther says, "I can: "it's shit""
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:05 McMartin says, "Insufficiently specific"
[web-ideas]|16:05 Ryan says, "Hah, it totally works."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:06 Gunther | What makes The Big Bang Theory nerd blackface?
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:06 Gunther | A complete disregard for the gravity and social implications of blackface and an idiotic sense of persecution despite being better off than pretty much everyone else in the world.
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:06 Gunther says, "I guess that works"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:07 McMartin says, "That's a dangerous attitude too, though."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:07 McMartin says, "I don't have a lot of time for 'The American working class is the greatest enemy of the global left' even though this isn't a very difficult case to make"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:08 McMartin says, "Look at these laid-off steelworkers complaining about lack of government provided health insurance when Apple is working Chinese people to death!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:08 McMartin says, "etc"
[textfyre]|16:08 Dave says (to matthew), "that would great"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:08 Doug asks, "aren't the actors kind of nerds anyway?"
[textfyre]|16:08 Matthew says (to Dave), "If you have a URL to information about it, that would really help me."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:08 McMartin says, "(Objecting here solely to 'despite being better off than pretty much everyone else in the world' - you can do that while still being in an entirely unacceptable situation)"
[textfyre]|16:09 Matthew says (to Dave), "And I can't promise they'll review it, but I'll be happy to put in a word."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:09 Matthew asks (of McMartin), "Uh, do YLAC?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:09 Gunther says, "no, he does not"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:09 Matthew says, "I must have missed a transition line someplace, then, sorry.  Carry on..."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:09 McMartin says, "Not really, I'm complaining about people being Wrong On The Internet, more or less."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:10 Matthew says, "Ah."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:11 Gunther says, "so, given I'm unable to watch more than a minute of BBT before I black out and wake up with teeth embedded in my fists"
[lounge]|16:11 Emily arrives.
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:11 McMartin says, "My main reaction to Big Bang Theory is basically 'please stop pretending this is socially acceptable'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:11 Gunther asks, "...so it's Nerdsey Shore?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:11 boucher says, "I don't think Big Bang Theory would exist if nerds were truly universally despised, or even if they were seen as slightly amusing subhumans.  I think its success meshes with the whole 'Triumph of the Nerds' story of 15 years ago, where every awkward geek is potentially the next extremely awesome and enviable person, despite being from a completely different universe than the rest of humanity.  It's more like...white kids starting to listen to and imitate rap than blackface."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:12 McMartin asks (of Gunther), "Except without pretending to be real, I guess?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:12 McMartin says, "The way I explained my distaste for the show to my parents (who love it) is 'Look, I was a nerd through high school, and these are the guys *I* would want to stuff in lockers'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:12 Matthew says, "My."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:13 McMartin says, "Of course, this is also a reasonable reaction to Jersey Shore, so I'm not sure how well that holds up as a distinguisher"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:13 Gunther says, "the laugh track *alone* makes me see red"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:13 boucher says (to McMartin), "You can't get a tan inside a locker."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:14 McMartin says, "As a grownup geek now, BBT is 'these are the people who are likely to be problem cases when we hold a large event, and we're going to need to control/compensate for that'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:14 Matthew says (to boucher), "You can if it's a SUN LOCKER."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:14 McMartin says, "omg flourescent lights"
[blogenfreude]|16:14 GDorn | http://yourkickstartersucks.tumblr.com/post/26835222642/god-dammit
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:14 McMartin says, "Also, our lockers were barely a foot tall, so this particular metaphor always struck me as odd"
[blogenfreude]|16:14 Gunther says, "holy shit die in a fire"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:15 baf asks, "You've seen the chainsawsuit about this, right?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:15 McMartin says, "That's not a word I recognise."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:15 Gunther says, "webcomic"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:15 Gunther says, "I believe"
[textfyre]|16:15 Dave | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008EYJAAA/
[textfyre]|16:15 Dave says, "I have zero expectations"
[blogenfreude]|16:15 inky says, "ha ha"
[textfyre]|16:15 Dave says, "but it can't hurt to ask"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:15 Gunther says, "ok, so this is less '"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:15 Gunther says, "'nerd blackface'"
[textfyre]|16:16 Dave says, "and if one game isn't enough to sell the idea, maybe toss in King of Shreds and Patches too"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:16 baf says, " http://chainsawsuit.com/2011/12/01/the-big-nerd-theory/ "
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:16 Gunther says, "and more 'here is a bunch of twats who have no idea what a nerd is trying to do nerds'"
[textfyre]|16:16 Dave says, "maybe the story is "Text Adventures make a comeback on the Kindle""
[godwin]|16:16 Allen | The Name 'Sandusky' Has Become the New 'Hitler'
[textfyre]|16:17 Matthew says (to Dave), "Wait, so is there a page that lists all the games?  I only see two on the main Textfyre website."
[textfyre]|16:17 Dave says, "that's all I have so far...and the website is being updated"
[textfyre]|16:17 Dave says, "but not ready yet"
[textfyre]|16:17 Matthew says, "Okay."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:18 McMartin says, "That jibes rather neatly with boucher's 'it's white people trying to rap' except I'm willing to admit that the former is culturally possible and I'm *not* convinced that doing this with geeks is feasible at all."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:18 Gunther asks, "isn't The IT Crowd relatively beloved?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:18 Gunther says, "not that I understand that either"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:18 olethros says, "I think I tried watching BBT once and was all 'huh wtf'"
[blogenfreude]|16:18 lpsmith says, "Ha ha 'showing up to do a photoshoot and creating a facebook page'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:18 McMartin says, "I don't think that's crossed the pond properly, but if it's less like BBT and more like, oh, Office Space, I can easily see why that could succeed"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:18 baf says, "(Chainsawsuit is basically the comic where Kris Straub uses all the ideas that are too stupid for his other comics.)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:19 McMartin asks (of baf), "Like a suit made of chainsaws?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:19 baf says, "That is one of them, yes."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:20 Gunther says, "I don't know office space, but it's a bunch of wacky IT support nerds"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:21 Gunther says, "like, one shuns the sunlight and listens to Cradle of Filth and I already forgot the others"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:21 olethros says, "wait, that's you"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:21 McMartin says, "Office Space is a violent comedy movie about soul-crushing cubicle jobs."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:21 McMartin says, "Including a character obsessed with his stapler, a model that did not exist at the time and now does because they used a real compay name and they got inundated with orders for that model."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:22 Gunther says, "sigh"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:22 McMartin says, "This is a sign that you have succeeded in your work of fiction"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:22 McMartin says, "Fear not, the part that didn't exist is 'it doesn't come in that color'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:22 Gunther says, "yes, and a sign that maybe it's YOU who is crushing the sou... oh"
[space]|16:22 Allen | Aliens are more like huge jellyfish than little green men, says government advisor
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:22 McMartin says, "And now it does, so hooray, I guess"
[space]|16:22 Gunther | Also more that than french toast.
[space]|16:23 inky says, "hee hee"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:23 McMartin says, "(We have one here; as the color in question is 'bright red', it makes it easy to see from a distance whether someone has wandered off with it in the rare occasions I need to staple something)"
[space]|16:23 olethros says, "yay"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:23 Matthew says, "What I never understood is why Swingline didn't have a red stapler in the first place."
[space]|16:23 olethros says, "I've been waiting 5 days for a good joke on that"
[space]|16:23 Doug asks, "which government does he or she advise?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:23 McMartin says, "It turns out to be practical but I guess the theory here is 'who cares except Hollywood dudes'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:23 Gunther says (to Matthew), "because Rob Schneider is... A Stapler. Rated PG-13"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:24 Matthew says, "DERP DE DERP"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:24 inky says, "I don't think I've seen a red stapler outside of the movie and people with things based on the movie"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:24 inky says, "like, I think 100% of the staplers I am familiar with are black or brown"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:24 McMartin says, "I file that more with the way Star Trek made the US Navy rethink a few pieces of their bridge design from a point of view of People Being Able To See Things"
[space]|16:24 Allen says, "UK"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:24 Gunther says, "mine is light blue"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:25 baf says, "I have definitely seen red staplers."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:25 Gunther says, "wait, no, light green"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:25 Gunther says, "the office one is blue"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:25 (from McMartin) Gunther is catapulted into the abyss
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:25 Gunther says, "hee"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:25 Gunther says, "I didn't know staplers could do thaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:25 K-Y says (to McMartin), "on the other hand, the adequate handrails problem persists to this day"
[German]|16:25 olethros says, "eine dralle Blondine!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:27 baf says, "Also, the chief practical reason I can see for not making staplers red is that it would make them easier to spot than black staplers, therefore harder to lose, therefore needing replacement less often."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:27 Gunther says, "so, to get back to the original question"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:27 Gunther says, "1) morons portray what they think of as geeks in a light that is utterly unrealistic"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:27 K-Y says, "staplers are also black"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:27 K-Y says, "QED"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:27 jenrexrode says, "I drive past initech on the way to work every day.  It's next door to my office"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:27 Gunther says, "2) self-identifying geeks get angry at this and compare it to blackface"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:28 Gunther says, "3) everyone gets angry at said geeks for comparing it to blackface"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:28 McMartin says, "You switched from nerds to geeks halfway through - there is a slight difference"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:28 Gunther says, "er, yes"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:28 Gunther says, "BUT"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:28 Gunther says, "4) everyone joins up to murder Nickelback"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:28 inky says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:28 McMartin says, "This has always confused me"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:29 McMartin says, "Because everybody hates Nickelback, but they also seem to sell incredibly well."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:29 McMartin asks, "Is everyone buying their stuff to burn it or what?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:29 K-Y says, "I may have mentioned this the other day but Garfield uses the words interchangeably"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:29 K-Y . o O ( hmm, Garfield as nerd blackface )
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:29 inky asks (of K-Y), "garfield uses nerd and geek interchangeably?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:29 K-Y says, "yes"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:29 Gunther says (to McMartin), "I'm sure some people unironically buy this, because people buy literally any shit"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:29 inky says, "if so that is doubly mistaken because Jon is clearly a dork, but not a nerd or a geek"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:30 K-Y says, "they also used dork interchangeably with both"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:30 McMartin asks, "How are you distinguishing dork from nerd? And where do nebbishes fit in?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:30 baf says, "There's a famous instance of that involving potato peelers. That the company making them deliberately colored the handle the same color as potato peels so that people would accidentally throw them away. Then they found people weren't buying drab potato-peel-colored peels when they were next to eye-catching brightly-colored ones in the store, but they solved that problem by packaging them on a brightly-colored card."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:30 Gunther says, "tread carefully, inky."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:30 inky says, "he is also a nebbish some of the time"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:30 inky says, "but not usually"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:30 inky says (to baf), "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:30 Allen says, " http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/geeks-nerds-20100531-172647.jpg "
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:30 McMartin says, "(All of my words for awkward people I learned from 50s-era MAD Magazine)"
[lounge]|16:30 Jizaboz paddles away.
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:31 Gunther says, "well, the meanings of 'geek' and 'nerd' have changed since the original protosumerian"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:31 inky says, "also he is a schlimiel and a schlimazel but not a schmuck"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:31 McMartin says, "I cannot argue with that assertion."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:31 DavidW says, "People only know of schlimiel and schlimazel from Laverne and Shirley."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:32 inky says, "there is some other venn diagram that shows that geeks and nerds are both smart, nerds and dorks are both socially awkward, and dorks and geeks are, hmm, something"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:32 McMartin says, "UNTRUE, see previous assertion re: 50s-era MAD Magazine"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:32 inky says, "maybe both outcasts"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:32 Allen says, "yeah, that one is older"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:32 baf says, "'Schlemihl' is used frequently in Thomas Pynchon's V. I think this is the only context where I've encountered it without any mention of schlimazl."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:33 McMartin says, "Though I now recall being taught the difference by my parents"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:33 Allen says, "hmm, this isn't it. I remember it being a 3-circle one. But it's close: http://geek.travel/sites/geek.travel/files/image/geek.png "
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:33 inky | I guess they have this one: http://laughingsquid.com/nerd-venn-diagram-geek-dork-or-dweeb/
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:33 inky says, "but I disagree that dorks are obsessed"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:33 DorianX asks, "But is he hossenpffeiffer incorporated?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:33 Gunther says, "ha ha dweeb"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:33 inky says, "except maybe with tryign to see breasts"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:33 McMartin says, "Specifically, one being the waiter who trips while carrying a full bowl of soup, and the latter being the one in whose face the soup invariably lands"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:33 K-Y says, "anyway, here http://garfield.nfshost.com/1993/09/19/ "
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:34 baf says, "(Also, I have no idea how any of these words are spelled, but I remember that Pynchon didn't spell it like I had imagined it.)"
[German]|16:34 olethros asks, "was anderes haette mich auch gewundert -> anything else would have surprised me ?"
[German]|16:34 Gunther says, "mhmm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:35 jenrexrode | My work parking lot and building http://home.earthlink.net/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=560&linkpath=http://home.earthlink.net/~gsmithhart5/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ditch.jpg&target=tlx_new
[German]|16:35 olethros says, "still sometimes confused by the fact that was/der/... do not always translate to what/the/.."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:36 McMartin says (to baf), "They're primarily spelled in Hebrew, so..."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:36 K-Y says, "oh yes, Garfield also uses dweeb"
[German]|16:36 Gunther says, "it's short for 'etwas'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:37 Gunther says (to McMartin), "so Indy has to step on SCHLML"
[German]|16:37 olethros says, "huh ok"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:38 McMartin says, "'Wait. In Yiddish, Schlmiel starts with a Sch'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:38 Gunther says, "that puzzle was so silly in the adventure game"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:39 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|16:39 nm, Whitehead and Russell reveal themselves as complete amateurs
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:39 McMartin says, "The adventure game for Last Crusade was SO BAD"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:39 McMartin says, "By modern standards it is 95% copy protection by weight"
[German]|16:39 olethros asks, "when you want to say 'the man who is first', is the only option 'der Mann, der erste ist' ?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:39 inky says (to K-Y), "hmm, this comic isn't a bad use of nerd"
[lounge]|16:39 nm says, "hi"
[lounge]|16:39 olethros says, "wu"
[lounge]|16:39 jenrexrode says, "hi nm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:40 inky says, "like I would say they are all dorks but it is plausible they could be all nerds"
[lounge]|16:40 Doug says, "hey"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:40 McMartin says, "Hm. The difference for me between dorks and nerds is that dorks are well-meaning, I think, while nerds are more accidental sociopaths"
[German]|16:40 Gunther says, "no, that is wrong"
[German]|16:41 Gunther says, "either 'der erster' or 'der der erste'"
[German]|16:41 Gunther says, "leading to the famous sentence starting with five 'die's"
[German]|16:41 inky says, "ha ha"
[German]|16:42 Gunther says, "Die, die die, die die Dietriche erfunden haben, verdammen, tun unrecht"
[German]|16:43 Gunther says, "allegedly made up by Mr. Duden himself"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:44 K-Y says, "NEI, I guess"
[German]|16:44 Gunther says, "(those who damn those who invented lockpicks do ill)"
[celebrities]|16:45 inky says, "wow, tom cruise and katie holmes settle divorce stuff already"
[celebrities]|16:46 Gunther says, "recap 3"
[celebrities]|16:46 Gunther says, "oops, 5 now I guess"
[celebrities]|16:46 inky says, "aie"
[random-requests]|16:47 nm says, "Flourish is claiming that I may be a Hufflepuff"
[random-requests]|16:47 nm says, "I'm not sure what I did wrong here"
[random-requests]|16:47 Gunther asks, "are you huffling and puffling and awkwardly agreeing?"
[random-requests]|16:47 jenrexrode says, "tell it to the sorting hat"
[random-requests]|16:48 Gunther says, ""talk to the hat""
[random-requests]|16:48 Gunther says, "as they say"
[random-requests]|16:48 nm says, "the sorting hat ... is an asshat"
[random-requests]|16:49 jenrexrode says, "you might get different results if you put it on your head"
[German]|16:49 olethros says, "huh!"
[random-requests]|16:49 Gunther says, "peak assficiency"
[random-requests]|16:49 Doug says (to nm), "you're clearly a ghost."
[random-requests]|16:49 nm says, "man, your ass and your head might go different houses"
[random-requests]|16:49 nm says, "also, Flourish says hi"
[random-requests]|16:49 Doug says, "Nearly Wordless Nick"
[random-requests]|16:49 Gunther says, "House Bipartite"
[random-requests]|16:49 Johnny says, "Hi Flourish"
[random-requests]|16:49 Gunther says, "ahoy, House Klink"
[German]|16:49 olethros says, "ok I think it is high time I committed myself to bed"
[random-requests]|16:50 Johnny says, "I was trying to come up with "I left my head in", but can't think of a wizardy place that sounds like San Francisco."
[random-requests]|16:50 olethros says, "San Majesco"
[random-requests]|16:50 nm says, "'I left my head in the Room of Requirement'"
[lounge]|16:50 Gunther says, "CSB"
[lounge]|16:50 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[French]|16:51 inky says, "so there's this movie, Bob le Flambeur"
[French]|16:51 olethros says, "oh it's awesome"
[macdev]|16:51 Jon | http://eerolanguage.org/
[macdev]|16:51 Jon says, "interesting."
[French]|16:51 inky says, "if it were about -- actually, hmm, maybe this is a bad example"
[macdev]|16:51 vimes asks, "why the heck do people writing new languages have this fetish for 'no variable shadowing'?"
[macdev]|16:52 vimes says, "writing new like-x-but-better languages, that is"
[macdev]|16:52 vimes says, "i'm looking at you, coffeescript"
[WWIII]|16:52 Bishop | Americans Are as Likely to Be Killed by Their Own Furniture as by Terrorism
[French]|16:52 inky asks, "if his nickname was instead "Bob the Chair", would it be "Bob la Chaise"?"
[band-name]|16:52 Matthew says, "No Variable Shadowing."
[French]|16:52 inky asks, "like, feminine even though the person it applies to is masculine?"
[French]|16:52 olethros says, "sure, I guess"
[macdev]|16:52 vimes says, "and also at you, eero"
[macdev]|16:52 marc asks, "do you get a compiler error, or...?"
[macdev]|16:52 inky asks, "does 'no variable shadowing' mean 'you can't have a local named the same as a global'?"
[macdev]|16:53 inky says, "because I am in favor of that"
[macdev]|16:53 marc says, "well, presumably any scope"
[macdev]|16:53 marc says, "not just global vs. local"
[lounge]|16:53 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|16:53 Jota greets.
[lounge]|16:53 inky says, "hey hey"
[French]|16:53 olethros says, "I do not think this ever arises in practice"
[French]|16:54 inky asks, "how can it not?"
[French]|16:54 olethros says, "males choose male nicknames"
[French]|16:54 inky says, "aha"
[French]|16:54 inky says, "ok, that seems reasonable"
[French]|16:54 olethros says, "unless they are made fun of. The same thing in greek"
[macdev]|16:54 vaporware says, "yay not-objective-C"
[French]|16:54 olethros says, "for example, 'inky the (female) chicken'"
[macdev]|16:54 marc says, "ha ha"
[French]|16:54 inky says, "ha ha"
[French]|16:54 inky asks, "so that is an extra insult because it's using the other gender?"
[WWIII]|16:54 Doug says, "it's a plot by the Ottoman Empire!"
[French]|16:54 olethros says, "yeah"
[French]|16:55 inky says, "that makes sense"
[WWIII]|16:55 inky says, "hooray"
[macdev]|16:55 vimes says, "i'm not - being able to hork up your code because you decide later that having a log_level variable at a high scope would be helpful (but hey, you or someone used log_level at a deep scope!) seems like a bad idea to me"
[random-requests]|16:55 Ellison says, "ha ha sorting asshattery"
[WWIII]|16:55 olethros says, "the ottoman empire had a time machine ?>"
[WWIII]|16:55 Doug says, "will have"
[macdev]|16:55 inky says, "wait wait"
[WWIII]|16:55 Doug says, "wiolly on-haven"
[WWIII]|16:55 olethros says, "ok, I propose 'wad' for time-ambiguous sentences"
[WWIII]|16:56 vimes says (to doug), "yay"
[macdev]|16:56 inky asks, "in that case, doesn't it raise an error when you try to declare log_level in the deep scope?"
[random-requests]|16:56 nm says, "I call it ass-sorted hattery"
[footnotes]|16:56 Doug says, "I think people should source their olounge/connect messages"
[WWIII]|16:57 vimes says, "right, and you can cause a cascade of compiler errors by declaring something at a high scope"
[random-requests]|16:57 Johnny says, "It's like a bubble sort, but on dry land."
[footnotes]|16:57 Doug asks, "e.g. what game is being criticized in Gunther's disconnect?"
[WWIII]|16:57 vimes says, "at least this is in fact explicit compiler errors rather than magical fuckups, like coffeescript has"
[WWIII]|16:57 vimes says, "iladc"
[macdev]|16:57 vimes says, "right, and you can cause a cascade of compiler errors by declaring something at a high scope"
[macdev]|16:57 vimes says, "at least this is in fact explicit compiler errors rather than magical fuckups, like coffeescript has"
[WWIII]|16:57 Doug says, "I was wondering"
[lounge]|16:57 olethros says, "Q"
[lounge]|16:57 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[footnotes]|16:57 Fang says, "it's probably gunther raging at people raging about diablo 3"
[band-name]|16:57 vaporware says, "The Magical Fuckups"
[macdev]|16:58 * Doug has joined the channel.
[macdev]|16:58 inky says, "but that seems like correct behavior to me"
[macdev]|16:58 marc says, "well, that seems pretty confusing"
[macdev]|16:58 inky says, "or, I guess, one kind of correct behavior"
[macdev]|16:59 marc says, "you define a local in a loop in a function, 'x'"
[macdev]|16:59 Doug says, "I feel kind of dirty joining this channel"
[macdev]|16:59 marc says, "then define 'x' elsehwere, in higher scope, and boom"
[macdev]|16:59 vimes says, "it is a less damaging behavior, but a huge pain"
[macdev]|16:59 marc says, "that said: you shouldn't be nesting so deeply, yo"
[macdev]|17:00 inky says, "I feel like in general, if you are reusing the same variable name within the same "scope stack", you should be talking about the same variable"
[kitties]|17:00 jenrexrode says, "argh, I can hardly tell Nermal and Dexter apart with the summer coat"
[macdev]|17:00 marc says, "that's fair, yeah"
[kitties]|17:00 inky says, "nermal is the one who plays with yarn; dexter is the one who tries to strangle you with it"
[kitties]|17:00 Johnny says, "Dexter kills serial killers."
[macdev]|17:00 marc says, "it's just confusing to have two different 'user's kicking around, one in a loop and one in higher scope"
[kitties]|17:00 jenrexrode exclaims (at inky), "so true!"
[macdev]|17:01 vimes says, "the awesome thing about variable shadowing or, better, requiring explicit action to refer to a higher scope variable is that you don't have to worry about code that you can't currently see"
[kitties]|17:01 jenrexrode says, "if Nermal bites me, it must be Dexter"
[macdev]|17:01 marc says, "yeah"
[macdev]|17:01 marc says, "i'd worry about uglifying closures too"
[macdev]|17:02 Jon says, "I love using let to rebind names in lisp-y languages, though."
[macdev]|17:02 inky asks, "well, if it's just variable shadowing, then you *can* see it, can't you?"
[macdev]|17:02 inky says, "like, until you declare your own foo, the other foo is totally in scope and your code can see it, even if it's not visible in the editor window at the moment"
[macdev]|17:02 vimes says, "you, the programmer, looking at an editor window"
[macdev]|17:02 marc says, "i like the idea of being warned about name shadowing"
[macdev]|17:02 marc says, "which i'm sure is quite common in ides"
[macdev]|17:02 Jon says, "(define x "foo") (println x) (let [x "bar"] (println x)) (println x) -> "foo" "bar" "foo""
[macdev]|17:03 Jon says, "I love that capability."
[lounge]|17:03 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|17:03 * Ellison has disconnected.
[macdev]|17:03 inky says, "the thing I worry about with straight-up shadowing is that if you accidentally move a line up above the declaration, then suddenly it's talking about the other variable"
[macdev]|17:03 vimes says, "hm, i don't think i've ever had that problem"
[macdev]|17:03 inky asks (of Jon), "hmm, what's the use of that?"
[kids]|17:04 Allen says, "hey, a guy writing for the NYTimes says if a man gets a woman pregnant, he should have to pay"
[kids]|17:04 Allen | They might be asked to chip in for medical bills, birthing classes and maternity clothes, to help to cover the loss of income that often comes with pregnancy, or to contribute to the cost of an abortion.
[kids]|17:04 Allen says, "he preposes the term 'preglimony'"
[macdev]|17:04 Jon says, "well, you can also do (let [x (+ x 1)]) or some such."
[macdev]|17:05 Jon says, "make a modified version of the variable under the same binding, but the binding goes back to the old version at the end of the let."
[lounge]|17:06 Hugo appears out of nowhere, now with fighting kung-fu action!
[lounge]|17:07 Johnny says, "Hey Hugo and anyone that's been standing around for more than 24 lines."
[macdev]|17:07 inky says (to Jon), "yeah, I'm just trying to figure out why that's better than creating a new variable"
[lounge]|17:08 Johnny wipes nose.
[lounge]|17:08 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|17:09 Gunther's voice is husky, like dark melted chocolate fudge caramel... or something.
[lounge]|17:09 Hugo says, "I can't believe I have to wait that many lines to get helloed."
[metafilter]|17:10 Jota | I want to have as little sex as possible and maximize my chances of getting pregnant. What is the best iPhone app to help me?
[macdev]|17:10 McMartin says, "Yeah, uh, variable shadowing is kind of a requirement for being a real grown-up language"
[fadein]|17:10 Hugo says, "A user wants some other way to sync because they don't 'trust Dropbox anymore', believing it has somehow served up 13 GB from his computer over the weekend."
[metafilter]|17:10 Gunther says, "iNun"
[metafilter]|17:10 lpsmith says, "Tell her to check out SPERM-U-LATOR"
[macdev]|17:10 marc says, "i think placing arbitrary limits on defining new scopes is pretty problematic"
[macdev]|17:10 marc says, "even if, conventionally, you might want to avoid overloading names too much"
[macdev]|17:10 McMartin says, "It's OK for it to be a warning, *maybe*, but if you claim to be multiparadigm shadowing is part of the game"
[macdev]|17:11 McMartin says, "Especially when writing tiny throwaway inline lambda expressions it's unreasonable to not let you use whatever one-letter thing you want."
[iPhone]|17:11 vaporware asks, "Is it typical for iPhone apps to support the 'upside down portrait' orientation?"
[macdev]|17:11 McMartin says, "Clojure has been reminding me that some people think dynamically scoped variables are sometimes a good idea, and I'm a little bit skeptical of that still too"
[macdev]|17:12 inky says, "I'm not talking about the case where you have, like,   for (int i = 0; .. ) { .. }   for (int i = 0; ... ) { .. } and re-use the i"
[iPhone]|17:12 vimes says, "i don't know of any that do off the top of my head"
[macdev]|17:12 inky says, "because those two loops don't have the i in the same scope stack"
[macdev]|17:12 McMartin says, "Yeah, neither am I"
[iPhone]|17:12 Hugo says, "iPhone, I don't think so."
[iPhone]|17:12 jenrexrode says, "I know some of mine do"
[macdev]|17:12 McMartin says, "I'm talking about the case where you have (map (fn [x] ...) ...) and then later on need an x in the function defining that because you've added in some coordinates."
[news]|17:12 Allen |  'Internet Doomsday' Impact Minimal, Service Providers Say
[macdev]|17:12 marc says, "in FP there's a common convention of f, g, h for functions; x, y, z for parameters"
[lounge]|17:13 jenrexrode wanders off.
[macdev]|17:13 inky says, "that convention sucks, though"
[lounge]|17:13 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[macdev]|17:13 McMartin says, "I really can't agree"
[iPhone]|17:13 Jota says, "Oh yeah, speaking of orientation, I have a peeve."
[iPhone]|17:13 Hugo says, "The accursed, godawful, redemption-free SDK I've been using doesn't even support it for iPhone (as opposed to iPad)."
[macdev]|17:13 vaporware says, "i, j, k for clown posses"
[macdev]|17:13 marc says, "you lose that when you start imposing arbitrary constraints like this [that's what i meant about uglifying closures too, which i guess was ill expressed]"
[macdev]|17:13 McMartin says, "I do agree that it messes things up for languages like C."
[videogames]|17:13 Doug says, "#music http://thoughtsdetectingmachines.com/machines "
[iPhone]|17:13 Jota says, "The iPhone does not support holding your head at non-vertical orientations."
[macdev]|17:13 inky says, "one-letter variable names for things with longer scope than a couple of lines suck"
[macdev]|17:13 McMartin says, "Ehn"
[macdev]|17:13 inky says, "if that's just for a one-line lambda, sure"
[lounge]|17:13 Whizzard goes to hamstring some zombies.
[lounge]|17:13 * Whizzard has disconnected.
[macdev]|17:14 McMartin says, "The convention here is that if it's named x y z you're saying the function is polymorphic"
[iPhone]|17:14 Jota says, "Whenever I try to look at something on the iPhone while I'm in bed, it keeps trying to flip everything sideways on me."
[macdev]|17:14 marc says, "well, now i can't say | let f x = x + 1 | if x or f are already defined"
[iPhone]|17:14 jenrexrode says, "oh yeah, iphone while laying on your side doesn't work well if you can freeze the orientation"
[videogames]|17:14 Doug says, "I can't get past Verse 1."
[iPhone]|17:14 Jota asks, "Is there any solution to that (aside from getting up)?"
[macdev]|17:14 McMartin says, "And lists of don't-care-what-it-is are xs, ys, zs."
[iPhone]|17:14 jenrexrode says, "if you can'T"
[macdev]|17:14 marc says, "right"
[macdev]|17:14 marc says, "all very common in fp"
[iPhone]|17:14 Jota asks (of jenrexrode), "Can you freeze the orientation?"
[macdev]|17:14 marc says, "i mean, in general i agree that overloading can be messy"
[macdev]|17:14 inky says, "that seems crazy to me"
[iPhone]|17:14 jenrexrode says, "not sure, I was reading about it once, and I don't remember if there was a solution"
[macdev]|17:14 inky asks, "you're saying you have no useful information to give about what is stored in the variables?"
[macdev]|17:15 marc says, "but given that it's useful, and i often just want the compiler to set up the scope i tell it to where i'm only using what i bind in my let, ..."
[macdev]|17:15 McMartin says, "The whole point is that you don't care *what* it is"
[macdev]|17:15 McMartin says, "Like, the argument to 'count' or 'length'"
[iPhone]|17:15 Hugo says, "You can turn off auto-rotate."
[macdev]|17:15 McMartin says, "It's a collection of Things"
[macdev]|17:15 marc says, "where Thing = x, hence xs"
[macdev]|17:15 McMartin says, "YOu don't care what the Things are. They can be any Things."
[iPhone]|17:15 jenrexrode says, "pocketMUD was spinning all the way around for me today"
[iPhone]|17:15 Hugo says, "With a handy desktop widget on your Andro -- oops.  I guess you can drill down into Settings and turn it on/off."
[macdev]|17:15 McMartin says, "You don't look at the things, you just count them by doing something to the containing structure."
[macdev]|17:16 inky says, "then it seems like you should at least specify what the structure is"
[macdev]|17:16 inky says, "unless you don't care about that either"
[lounge]|17:16 nm says, "ok, see you all later"
[lounge]|17:16 nm goes home.
[macdev]|17:16 inky says, "in which case, sure, go ahead and do xs, I guess"
[macdev]|17:16 McMartin says, "You often don't! FP is kidn of awesome like that."
[macdev]|17:16 Hugo says, "(Wait, is there actually some debate on whether variable shadowing is non-evil?  Because it is entirely evil, and there is no debate.)"
[macdev]|17:16 inky says, "ha ha"
[macdev]|17:16 McMartin says, "This is also why going from an FP language to Java or ObjC is like pulling teeth."
[macdev]|17:16 marc says, "true"
[macdev]|17:17 vimes says, "oh, no, it's totally evil to shadow variables, but /preventing/ you from shadowing variables is also evil"
[macdev]|17:17 McMartin says, "'You can't name your parameter that because you just linked against a library with a function by that name' can go straight to Hell"
[macdev]|17:17 Hugo says, "Well, proper namespacing, etc."
[macdev]|17:17 marc says, "yeah -- it's nice to know which evilly mutable bit of evil you're evilly mutating and whether it's evilly shadowed"
[macdev]|17:17 inky says, "yeah, I would rather fix this with namespacing"
[macdev]|17:17 vimes says, "ah, the shadowed_evil bit"
[macdev]|17:17 McMartin says, "I'm totally OK with *warning* on variable shadowing, just not with erroring."
[macdev]|17:18 McMartin says, "And never on anonymous functions."
[macdev]|17:18 Hugo says, "Or more imaginative variable names."
[videogames]|17:18 Gunther says, "go to one side, then shoot from there"
[macdev]|17:18 marc says, "yeah, i'm just thinking how much of a nightmare ML would be with this imposition"
[macdev]|17:18 marc says, "GET OFFA MY LETS"
[macdev]|17:18 McMartin says, "No, arguments to map don't want imagination"
[iPhone]|17:18 jenrexrode says, "at the time, I think the answer was something like you could do it on iPad"
[macdev]|17:18 McMartin says, "They want concision and some kind of indicator as to whether you think there are supposed to be type variables left in the type when you're done"
[macdev]|17:18 inky says (to McMartin), "if what this does in practice is force your global variables to have names longer than one letter, I am totally ok with that"
[macdev]|17:19 Gunther says, "instead of 'i' you must now use 'eeeagh'"
[macdev]|17:19 vimes says, "well, but say you have a generator function that returns a closure/block/whatever in your scope"
[macdev]|17:19 McMartin says (to inky), "It tends instead to make parameters add extra junk."
[macdev]|17:20 vaporware says, "It turns everyone into Fonzie, or if you like swearing in your variable names, Clay Davis."
[macdev]|17:20 McMartin says, "I'm pretty sure that (loop [x x] ...) is still evil."
[macdev]|17:20 McMartin says, "It's not hugely uncommon for a function defined internal to another one to reuse parameter names, though."
[macdev]|17:21 vaporware says, "Thus, in Objectivist-C without variable shadowing, A is AAAYYYYY."
[macdev]|17:21 marc says, "yeah, in haskell you might expect a where clause to use 'xs'"
[macdev]|17:21 inky says (to McMartin), "gah"
[macdev]|17:21 marc says, "i don't like nesting all that much though"
[macdev]|17:21 inky asks, "then how do you know if it means the outside parameter or the inside one by looking at a particular line of code?"
[macdev]|17:21 vimes says, "man, namespaces, what a good idea"
[macdev]|17:21 inky says (to vaporware), "ha ha"
[macdev]|17:21 Hugo says, "Ha, Clay Davis."
[macdev]|17:21 McMartin says (to vimes), "Namespacing internal utility functions is dumb"
[macdev]|17:22 Gunther says (to vaporware), "nonsense, all the variables are rand()"
[macdev]|17:22 McMartin says, "Namespacing lambdas doesn't even make sense"
[macdev]|17:22 vimes says, "sure, but obj-c doesn't have /any/ namespacing"
[spam]|17:22 Allen says, "ha ha"
[spam]|17:22 Allen | http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07/chutzpam.php
[spam]|17:22 Allen | In other words, the estimable businessmen and women at realinsurance.com.au have been paying SEO companies to spam the comment sections of sites around the globe. But now Google's new search algorithms are making that legacy spam really damaging. So now they're sending out cease and desist notices to the victims of their earlier spamming demanding that they search their archives and remove their spam.
[spam]|17:23 Gunther asks, "can you send a 'cease to exist' as response?"
[macdev]|17:23 marc says, "okay, now i'm riled up thinking about an ocaml' with this proscription"
[spam]|17:23 inky says, "ha ha ha"
[iPhone]|17:23 jenrexrode says, "you can lock iphone 4"
[iPhone]|17:24 jenrexrode says, "hey, i can do it on mine"
[macdev]|17:24 McMartin says, "Oh, right. It also needs to be acceptable to give fields and parameters the same name."
[macdev]|17:24 marc says, "see, i don't like that so much"
[macdev]|17:24 Hugo says, "I have a bad habit of using multiple i variables, and have gotten caught by ending up with the wrong value."
[iPhone]|17:24 Jota says, "Mmm. I guess that means I'll just have to wait until I maybe someday have a 4."
[iPhone]|17:24 jenrexrode says, "double click the home button, and scroll all the way left, and click the little circle arrow button"
[macdev]|17:24 marc says (to mcmartin), "i mean i use it lazily because it's there, but still"
[macdev]|17:24 marc says, "this is similar to the lisp-{1,2} debate"
[macdev]|17:25 McMartin says, "Similar, though there I admit to falling wholly on the lisp-1 side."
[iPhone]|17:25 Jota exclaims, "Hey, that works without 4 as well. Thanks!"
[macdev]|17:26 McMartin says, "But they're you're buying 'I don't need three kinds of quote and a funcall keyword'"
[macdev]|17:26 McMartin says, "Er, there"
[macdev]|17:26 McMartin says, "arghborgle"
[iPhone]|17:26 jenrexrode says, "yeah, i have 3GS, so I'm stunned it works"
[macdev]|17:26 marc says, "heh"
[iPhone]|17:26 jenrexrode says, "wow, now I can sleep with my phone"
[macdev]|17:26 inky says, "using python has gotten me used to having to say self.field everywhere"
[macdev]|17:27 inky says, "so I think I'm down with that elsewhere"
[iPhone]|17:27 vaporware says, "heh, that option does nothing on the iOS Simulator."
[macdev]|17:28 McMartin says, "Yeah, it's specifically 'this.x = x' that I want valid."
[macdev]|17:28 Hugo says, "Just because python has ruined you doesn't mean you should take everyone else down, too."
[macdev]|17:28 inky says (to McMartin), "oh, sure"
[macdev]|17:28 marc says, "ha ha"
[macdev]|17:28 inky says, "but those are different namespaces or scopes or something"
[macdev]|17:29 vaporware says, "I use 'this.x = x' in like every constructor."
[iPhone]|17:29 baf says, "The Pad has a switch next to the volume controls that by default toggles audio mute, but which can be configured to toggle rotation lock instead. I find it much more useful that way."
[lounge]|17:29 marc says, "anyway, snore time"
[lounge]|17:29 marc goes home.
[macdev]|17:29 Hugo says, "That probably causes a huge number of errors for classes that don't have an x member."
[macdev]|17:30 McMartin says, "Solution: add a new x member"
[macdev]|17:30 McMartin says, "PROBLEM SOLVED"
[macdev]|17:30 vaporware says, "Subclass everything from Point."
[ganja]|17:30 Allen | Since its inception, the Drug Enforcement Administration's Domestic Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program has spent roughly $200 million eradicating "ditchweed," or feral marijuana plants that contain no THC (the chemical in marijuana that gets you high). Even though feral marijuana can't give you a buzz, for years the DEA used it to hype the specter of domestic pot production and pad out its annual DCE/SP report. How much padding, exactly? Roughly 98 percent of the marijuana the DEA destroys in a given year is worthless as a drug
[macdev]|17:31 vaporware says, "Or from MultiRatingFilmCollection."
[ganja]|17:31 inky says, "wow"
[lounge]|17:31 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 3798 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Monday,  9 Jul 2012, 05:31:52 PM EDT
There is one new message on #misc/places/greece.
jenrexrode says, "hi"
Rob says, "flrn"
[ganja] Allen | "The irony, of course, is that industrial hemp is grown legally throughout most of the Western world as a commercial crop for its fiber content. Yet the U.S. government is spending taxpayers' money to target and eradicate this same agricultural commodity."
Rob says, "muggy"
[ganja] Allen |After getting beat about the head for years, the DEA suddenly stopped reporting ditchweed eradication after 2006. Since then, the total number of reported marijuana plants destroyed by the DEA each year has dropped from a quarter of a billion--again, 99 percent of that ditchweed--to around 10 million.
Jota greets Rob.
[ganja] Rob says, "yeesh"
[ganja] inky says, "golly"
[iPhone] Grocible says, "what you say is all true"
[ganja] Allen says, "not that they've quit doing it. It's just not reported anymore"
[ganja] Rob asks, "it's still spending the money, just not reporting it because it's embarrassing?"
[iPhone] Grocible says, "except you can't turn off auto rotate on the original iPhone running iOS 3.2.1"
[iPhone] Grocible says, "<- sad"
[robmumble] Rob says, "well I went out and had pie"
[robmumble] lpsmith asks, "Instead of a therapist?"
[iPhone] Hugo asks, "Siri, what is sad?  Siri?  Siri???"
Recapping 36 of 36 lines from tech/hardware/iPhone:
[iPhone]/001 marc says, "man, i don't think it would be an exaggeration to say there're >100 todo list apps"
[iPhone]/002 Gunther says, "probably an understatement"
[iPhone]/003 marc says, "yeah, probably"
[iPhone]/004 marc says, "the lack of refund policy is a bit of a nuisance"
[iPhone]/005 K-Y says, "two hours after sending an email, I am notified that it failed to send and has been placed in the outbox folder"
[iPhone]/006 K-Y says, "there is no outbox folder"
[iPhone]/007 vaporware asks, "Is it typical for iPhone apps to support the 'upside down portrait' orientation?"
[iPhone]/008 vimes says, "i don't know of any that do off the top of my head"
[iPhone]/009 Hugo says, "iPhone, I don't think so."
[iPhone]/010 jenrexrode says, "I know some of mine do"
[iPhone]/011 Jota says, "Oh yeah, speaking of orientation, I have a peeve."
[iPhone]/012 Hugo says, "The accursed, godawful, redemption-free SDK I've been using doesn't even support it for iPhone (as opposed to iPad)."
[iPhone]/013 Jota says, "The iPhone does not support holding your head at non-vertical orientations."
[iPhone]/014 Jota says, "Whenever I try to look at something on the iPhone while I'm in bed, it keeps trying to flip everything sideways on me."
[iPhone]/015 jenrexrode says, "oh yeah, iphone while laying on your side doesn't work well if you can freeze the orientation"
[iPhone]/016 Jota asks, "Is there any solution to that (aside from getting up)?"
[iPhone]/017 jenrexrode says, "if you can'T"
[iPhone]/018 Jota asks (of jenrexrode), "Can you freeze the orientation?"
[iPhone]/019 jenrexrode says, "not sure, I was reading about it once, and I don't remember if there was a solution"
[iPhone]/020 Hugo says, "You can turn off auto-rotate."
[iPhone]/021 jenrexrode says, "pocketMUD was spinning all the way around for me today"
[iPhone]/022 Hugo says, "With a handy desktop widget on your Andro -- oops.  I guess you can drill down into Settings and turn it on/off."
[iPhone]/023 jenrexrode says, "at the time, I think the answer was something like you could do it on iPad"
[iPhone]/024 jenrexrode says, "you can lock iphone 4"
[iPhone]/025 jenrexrode says, "hey, i can do it on mine"
[iPhone]/026 Jota says, "Mmm. I guess that means I'll just have to wait until I maybe someday have a 4."
[iPhone]/027 jenrexrode says, "double click the home button, and scroll all the way left, and click the little circle arrow button"
[iPhone]/028 Jota exclaims, "Hey, that works without 4 as well. Thanks!"
[iPhone]/029 jenrexrode says, "yeah, i have 3GS, so I'm stunned it works"
[iPhone]/030 jenrexrode says, "wow, now I can sleep with my phone"
[iPhone]/031 vaporware says, "heh, that option does nothing on the iOS Simulator."
[iPhone]/032 baf says, "The Pad has a switch next to the volume controls that by default toggles audio mute, but which can be configured to toggle rotation lock instead. I find it much more useful that way."
[iPhone]/033 Grocible says, "what you say is all true"
[iPhone]/034 Grocible says, "except you can't turn off auto rotate on the original iPhone running iOS 3.2.1"
[iPhone]/035 Grocible says, "<- sad"
[iPhone]/036 Hugo asks, "Siri, what is sad?  Siri?  Siri???"
Recapped 36 of 36 lines from tech/hardware/iPhone.
[robmumble] Allen asks, "was it a humble pie, or a bragworthy pie?"
[iPhone] Grocible says, "Sad is people running ancient phones"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "(sorry, I am not actually trying to bug you)"
[robmumble] inky says, "thera-pie-ist"
[iPhone] Gunther says, "Sad is Nickelback, Hugo. Sad is Nickelback."
[iPhone] Hugo says, "As an iPhone owner *and* Apple guy, you should know that the point of owning an iPhone is to own the latest one."
[iPhone] Hugo says, "Sad is Nickelback, but apparently Nickelback doesn't know it."
[iPhone] Rob says, "pocketMUD, hmm"
[robmumble] Jota says, "Perhaps someone should open up a shop called TheraPie."
[iPhone] Grocible says, "the iPhone I have is the freebie they gave out in the olden days"
[robmumble] Jota says, "Where they serve pie and hire waitstaff who are actually licensed bartenders."
[iPhone] Grocible says, "I'm not going to spend money"
[news] Allen | http://randazza.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/one-law-for-them-another-law-for-us/
[iPhone] Rob says, "oh hm and I should figure out that ipad configuration baf mentioned, because I hit the audio mute by accident all the time"
[news] Allen | A Rhode Island Cop, Edward Krawetz, kicked a handcuffed woman in the head as she sat on the ground. (source) Naturally, he claimed "self defense."
[robmumble] Jota says, "(For the benefit of customers who don't drink but still want a stranger to talk to and tip.)"
[news] Allen | Even his own colleague testified that Krawetz never indicated that he was in danger of serious bodily injury from the seated and handcuffed woman. As a result, the right thing happened -- Krawetz was convicted of felony battery and sentenced to 10 years in prison. Then, the judge suspended the sentence.
[robmumble] Rob says, "actually what happened was the manager wandered over and sat down to chat, seeing me looking forlorn with comfort pie"
[iPhone] Grocible says, "yeah I use the switch for rotation lock on our iPad"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Aww."
[robmumble] Rob says, "and I gave him the shorter version of the same thing, then he shared all of the issues with his own family that overlap and eventually it felt like a mutual therapy session"
[iPhone] Grocible says, "I'm sure rotation lock was implemented so people could use their iDevices in bed to, uh, do stuff in bed"
[iPhone] Hugo says, "Don't go to bed Angry Birds."
[robmumble] inky says, "wow, just like what Jota said"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah"
[robmumble] Rob says, "he actually admitted some really personal stuff I had no idea about"
[iPhone] jenrexrode exclaims, "camera works upside down!"
[iPhone] Jota asks (of Groc), "To Google stuff so you can stop thinking about it and go to sleep?"
[iPhone] Jota asks (of jen), "Is that a response to what Groc was implying?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "including that he used to suffer from severe agoraphobia and had a problem too with looking in a mirror and seeing what he came to realize was a distorted idea of what he looked like that gave him problems"
[robmumble] Rob says, "so we talked about therapy and anxiety and various things"
[robmumble] inky says, "gosh"
[iPhone] jenrexrode says (to Jota), "no, just result of me testing stuff"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Wow"
[news] McMartin says, "You've got to watch out for those little old ladies. They can kill you while handcuffed 14 different ways before you hit the ground"
Roger failed to heed the news of his own death and, later that year, advanced his career by becoming an actor in the television sitcom Silver Spoons.
[news] Allen says, "and he's still employed"
<ToxicFrog> ToxicFrog has connected to ifMUD.
[news] Allen | Ragosta said as a 12-year veteran of the Lincoln police department, Krawetz will be eligible to receive a pension when he reaches retirement age.
ToxicFrog eat beans. Beans taste good. Num num num. Why violence in streets?
[iPhone] jenrexrode says, "I think there are a lot of situations where having the shutter release at the top will work better for me"
[robmumble] Rob says, "so it was like hmm that was exactly the conversation I wanted to have right at this moment on this particular afternoon"
[robmumble] Rob says, "plus pie"
[news] Fang asks, "on what grounds was the sentence suspended?"
[robmumble] Jearl says, "serendipity pie"
[news] McMartin says, "Mn. If you want pensions to be a viable form of compensation you really can't hold them hostage in the future"
[news] McMartin says, "Otherwise you produce massive pressure for no-benefits jobs with (theoretically) higher pay"
[news] McMartin says, "(assuming here he'd already put in the 12 years)"
[news] Jearl says, "thus the unpaid internship"
inky says, "howdy"
ToxicFrog says, "'afternoon"
[apropos-of-nothing] McMartin says, "Also, Fang's ohomemsg became much more awesome once I did the research and realized it was *someone else's brain* bursting out of his head."
[apropos-of-nothing] inky asks, "wait, what?"
[peanut-gallery] (from Rob) ToxicFrog has turned into a slimy toad!
[robmumble] lpsmith asks, "So, how did he come out of it, then?"
[robmumble] inky says, "somebody else gave him some pie"
[robmumble] Rob says, "hmm"
[apropos-of-nothing] McMartin says, "It's from the death of a legendary Ulster king"
[news] Fang | One panelist was chosen by Krawetz, a second by the Lincoln police chief and the third was agreed to by the two sides. The 'neutral' officer was a North Providence policeman, which is why the hearing was set in that town.
[news] Fang says, "..."
[apropos-of-nothing] McMartin says, "Who was brained with the petrified brain of a defeated Leinster king, launched from a sling by a King of Connacht"
[news] Fang asks, "does the victim not get to pick one?"
[news] Allen says (to Fang), "doesn't say. Maybe it's his otherwise mostly clean record. He was only convicted of assault once in the past (when he got suspended from the police force for 30 dayS)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "basically therapy and learning he was seeing things in a distorted way and that anxiety could be controlled"
[robmumble] jenrexrode asks, "a pie chain?"
[apropos-of-nothing] McMartin says, "They couldn't extract it, so they sewed shut over it and told him to avoid stress and he should be fine"
[robmumble] Rob says, "also from the timeframe he was alluding to it sort of might fit with an earlier story he told me about"
[apropos-of-nothing] inky says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing] McMartin says, "Then he is told of the death of Christ, and he freaks out and the wound reopens, causing the petrified brain to burst forth, killing him and baptising him &c"
[news] Allen | In arguing for prison time, Regine cited a 2001 incident in which Krawetz pleaded no contest to a simple assault charge and was suspended from his job. The suspension was served one day a week over about five months, Harwood said.
[apropos-of-nothing] inky | However, just as Cet was about to carve, Conall Cernach arrived. Conall's boasts topped even Cet's. Cet admitted defeat, but claimed that if his brother Anluan were present, his feats would top even Conall's. Conall responded by tossing him Anluan's freshly severed head.
[robmumble] Rob says, "where 20 years ago or so he used to just come to the cafe as this skinny young guy who would shyly order the cheapest thing on the menu"
[robmumble] inky says, "oh hunh"
[iPhone] Grocible asks, "you know what's cool about the iphone camera with the latest versions of the OS?"
[robmumble] inky asks, "so he used to be a patron and now he is the manager?"
[iPhone] Grocible says, "you can use the volume button as a shutter release"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and one day someone who worked there then took him aside and told him he could order better food if he started working there instead"
[iPhone] Grocible says, "but the reason this is cool"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and with no training they started him as a waiter"
[robmumble] Rob says, "now 20 years later he's the manager"
[iPhone] Grocible says, "is because the button on your headphones works as a remote wire release"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "'I loved their pies so much... I bought the company.'"
[robmumble] Rob says, "hee"
[robmumble] Rob says, "they still haven't offered me a job there"
[robmumble] Rob says, "although I guess being the mayor is public service"
[news] Roger says, "Dang, I could do with a 4-day week for 5 months"
[news] Allen says, "in some other fun news:"
[news] Allen | Man Tells Police Dispatcher His Mentally Disturbed Brother Is Carrying a Fake Gun, Police Kill Him Anyway
[news] Allen | On the recording, Alex Miller repeatedly said his brother was carrying an Airsoft gun. "Can you tell them he has a gun in his hands? Is there any way you can let them know he's got the gun in his hands?" Alex Miller said. "It's not real."
[news] Allen | "I know," the dispatcher replied. "The officers are trained in this kind of thing. They're not going to go around shooting people."
[news] McMartin says, "Those beings the police keep shooting aren't people, problem solved"
[news] Rob says, "back in 1986 a friend of mine was nearly shot by a cop because he ran out of a restaurant carrying a squirt gun that looked like an uzi, back in the days when squirt guns could look like real ones"
[news] K-Y says, "'sure, I'll pass that on. hey, he has a gun in his hands'"
[news] Rob says, "hm, that was coincidentally the same night I first met jen"
[robmumble] jenrexrode exclaims (at Grocible), "I didn't know about the alt shutter release!"
ToxicFrog goes home.
</ToxicFrog> ToxicFrog has disconnected from ifMUD.
DorianX says, "I broke leah's laptop"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "ilac"
<ToxicFrog> ToxicFrog has connected to ifMUD.
McMartin says, "That's no good"
[news] Rob says, "at the omelettry in january 86 I believe it was"
[iPhone] jenrexrode says, "button on headphones..."
[iPhone] Grocible says, "volume button"
[band-name] McMartin says, "Omelettry '86"
[news] jenrexrode says, "so I was nearly shot, roo"
DorianX says, ""Yeah."
[news] jenrexrode says, "er , too"
[news] Rob says, "just phil and roadrich"
DorianX says, "She is handling it really well"
DorianX says, "I would be broken"
[news] Rob says, "cerb saw the cop raise his rifle and said hey whoa it's a squirt gun"
[news] jenrexrode says, "and xav"
[news] Rob says, "then the cop, furious at what he had nearly done, snatched the squirt gun away from rich and threw it to the ground"
(From McMartin) DorianX says, "Because I AM THE LAPTOP"
[news] Rob says, "yeah that's the first time I saw xav and a lot of folks, it was the only 'romp' I went to because they kind of petered out as a thing"
[news] Rob says, "I do have this memory of you and xav walking into the restaurant"
[news] Rob says, "and then CQ making a growly face because he was still kind of upset at the time"
[news] jenrexrode says, "whoops"
DorianX says, "Well, after the fiasco with upgrading my immobile laptop, and the fan going out in the mythtv ,"
[news] Rob says, "well you guys eventually worked that out"
[news] jenrexrode says, "erm"
[news] Rob says, "my impression of xav was that he had a kind face but that he had things going on in his head that he was trying not to show peoploe"
[news] Rob says, "which oh well let's not talk about that"
[weather] Roger says, "Another hot one today.  Hot for around here, anyway."
[news] Rob says, "though for years I'd see XAV-*** license plates and think about him briefly"
[news] jenrexrode says, "i can't believe I remembered the right name"
[news] Rob says, "huh really"
[news] jenrexrode says, "he was MT, too"
[news] Rob says, "I guess .. hmm..."
[news] Rob asks, "trying to remember his actual name. ty?"
[news] Rob says, "MT was pre-me I think"
[news] jenrexrode says, "tye"
[news] Rob says, "tye, ok"
[news] jenrexrode says, "i think"
[news] Rob /
[news] jenrexrode says, "Majot Tom"
[news] Rob says, "er :/"
[news] jenrexrode says, "er"
[news] Rob says, "oh major tom, right"
[news] Rob wonders how everyone else is processing this conversation
[news] jenrexrode asks, "@mute?"
[news] Rob says, "man 1986 was 26 years ago"
[news] Jota says (to jenrexrode), "Nah, most MUDders are pretty good at ignoring a channel without having to manually @mute it most of the time."
[news] jenrexrode says, "and the guns all have red tips now"
[news] Allen says, "1986 now is the equivalent of **1960** then"
[news] Rob says, "egad"
[cabal] Grocible says, "cruise divorce case settled with speed"
[news] jenrexrode exclaims (at Allen), "aiiiee!"
[news] inky says, "I'm still wondering about 'romp'"
[cabal] Grocible says, "so wacky. I'm at Jan Harlan's house and his wife is like, oh it was  just tom's birthday!"
Jota turns into a slimy toad!
</Jota> Thunder rumbles quietly overhead. Jota is gone.
[news] Rob says, "just a name for 'lets get all the people that normally talk just via chat or bulletin boards and go run around somewhere in real life'"
[movie] Roger says, "Managed to choke down a couple more"
[cabal] Grocible says, "I mean, I don't think of him as a human being"
[movie] Roger says, "Wrath of the Titans was pretty much exactly what one would expect"
[movie] inky says, "ha ha"
[news] jenrexrode says, "involved walking around, ideally"
[movie] McMartin says, "My God man, what are you doing to yourself"
[iPhone] jenrexrode says, "playing zen garden"
[movie] Roger says, "Although even I was a bit perturbed that the only swarthy guy in the whole thing was Bad Guy Ares"
[movie] Rob says, "swarthy"
[movie] Grocible says, "it was playing in Paris when I was there"
[movie] Roger says, "Also saw Lockout, which was kinda fun, but mostly in the way it reminded me of other, better movies."
[movie] Grocible says, "COLERE DES TITANS"
[movie] Rob says, "hm does 'swarthy' derive from 'schwarz'"
[news] jenrexrode says, "er iZen Garden"
[movie] Rob says, "COLERE ZUT"
[news] jenrexrode says, "oops"
[movie] Roger says, "Seems plausible enough"
[movie] Rob says, "never struck me before"
[telltalegames] baf says, "I keep seeing people on forums and stuff saying that going from Jurassic Park to Walking Dead was an incredible 180 for Telltale. But the two games are more similar to each other in so many ways than either is to anything else Telltale has produced. To me, the change seems more like a 60 at most, and probably closer to a 30."
[movie] McMartin says, "'The Choler of the Titans' doesn't have the same ring to it"
[movie] McMartin says, "It's, like, naming your beat-em-up Streets Of Vexation"
[movie] Roger says, "The Grapes of Wrath of the Titans, mmmm"
[telltalegames] inky asks, "do they both have QTEs?"
[iPhone] jenrexrode | When you are deluded and full of doubt, even a thousand books of scripture ar not enough. When you have realized understanding, even one word is too much. --Fen-Yang
[movie] Grocible says, "Colere means rage"
[movie] Roger says, "I still have Immortals in the queue, not sure I can bring myself to it"
[movie] Rob says, "deverrouillez le kraken"
[stress] jenrexrode says, "I'm thinking about asking my doctor for anti-anxiety pills to see if I can't quit stress-eating"
[way-secret] Rob says, "Tye was this guy jen was dating who committed suicide"
[movie] inky says, "immortals is pretty crappy, I say helpfully"
[way-secret] inky says, "gosh"
[telltalegames] baf says, "They do."
[way-secret] Rob says, "yeah"
[weather] jenrexrode says, "running outside to see if it's raining"
Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
</Gunther> I can't even bring myself to leave these forums because I feel like I'd be doing the world a great disservice by not criticizing this game at every possible opportunity I can.
[books] Allen says, "grr, I ordered 3 books from Better World Books"
[way-secret] inky says, "while she was dating him? I guess it is pretty shitty for her either way"
[movie] McMartin says (to Grocible), "Yeah, this is the whole 'latinate words sound all froofy in English' thing"
[books] Allen says, "I ordered them at the same time."
[telltalegames] baf says, "WD actually uses button-mash code from JP."
[way-secret] Rob says, "yeah it's something I have to remember she went through"
[books] Allen says, "they're all books from the same publisher, of similar size. They sent 2 in one package, and 1 in the other, and charged me shipping twice"
[way-secret] Rob says, "they were both pretty early 20s I think"
[telltalegames] baf says, "Also, I argued vociferously against it."
[weather] jenrexrode exclaims, "RAIN!!!"
[way-secret] Rob says, "he hanged himself in the shower and she found him, she told me once late one night"
[books] jenrexrode says (to Allen), "they probably have an obscure button somewhere that says to  do one shipment"
[way-secret] Rob says, "the really weird thing was that my grandfather died the same day, but one was sadly expected and one was a complete mystifying shock, so I almost felt worse about the guy I barely knew for part of the day"
[way-secret] inky says, "wow"
[books] Allen says, "also, they're all ex-library books from the same library. I wonder if there's a good way to remove the library markings"
[telltalegames] baf says, "But WD doesn't use QTEs as its primary form of interaction the way JP does."
[robmumble] jenrexrode says (to Rob), "hey, I'm free for pie for a couple of weeks if it comes up again."
[way-secret] Rob says, "tye was a really friendly, really sweet guy but apparently he had his demons"
[robmumble] Rob says, "ok let's have pie in a couple of weeks"
[books] inky asks, "remove a sticker? or remove ink?"
[robmumble] jenrexrode exclaims, "but that will be too late!"
[movie] Roger says, "In other movie news that doesn't make me want to end my life, hunh, 'persistence of vision' has long been debunked as the basis for motion pictures."
[books] Allen says, "a little sticker in the lower lefthand side"
[movie] Rob says, "debunked? bwuh"
[movie] Roger says, "I was thinking about it the other day and I was thinking it was sounding hinky"
[movie] Rob says, "now I don't believe in anything"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "less than a couple of weeks :)"
[books] Allen says, "I can't get under any corner. I guess libraries put these on to last"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but you just said !"
[movie] McMartin says, "I suggest SCIENCE!!!!."
[movie] Rob says, "it seemed plausible to me when I was in film school"
[robmumble] inky says, "she said *for* a couple weeks"
[robmumble] inky says, "it's a pieinterval"
[movie] Rob says, "ohh"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "yeah"
[robmumble] Rob says, "ohh"
[movie] Roger says, "wikipedia seems to imply that the theory that succeeded PoV is /also/ called persistence of vision by the film people because they're just lazy I guess"
[movie] Rob says, "well they're still saying 'mit out sound' to mean a take without audio recording and that comes from some german director in the 19-teens"
[movie] inky says, "ha ha"
[books] inky says, "this suggests mild heat to melt the glue, like a hairdryer on low"
[movie] Rob says, "ok that's way too early since there was no sound recording until 1927, but still"
[books] inky says, "(which I am sure you have)"
[books] inky says, "or nail polish remover (which I am sure you also have)"
[books] Rob says, "gotta go, book's on fire"
[weather] Rob says, "I hear thunder"
[weather] Rob says, "KUT said 50 percent rain tonight, 60 percent tomorrow"
[weather] Rob says, "still hoping for a good drenching summer thunderstorm"
[books] inky says, "this looks pretty good: http://www.librarything.com/topic/9726 "
[movie] Roger says, "Also I have that recentish Babies doc on hand.  That should go over well."
[movie] Rob says, "what babies doc"
[weather] jenrexrode says, "wow, the rain makes a noise"
[movie] Rob says, "I just watched a doc about the performance artist Marina Abromovic', the lady who had the big MoMA show where there were naked people you had to walk through to get to the gallery that was a big deal a couple of years ago"
[movie] inky says, "Doc Baby"
[movie] Roger | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1020938/
[movie] inky says, "it's the sequel to Doogie Howser"
[movie] Rob says, "I read about that show in the nytimes and didn't think I'd get to see it, but they made this movie so I did get to see it sort of"
<genericgeekgirl> Let us make a journey to the cave of monsters! Good luck!
[books] Allen says, "mm"
[movie] Grocible says, "I like mit out sound"
[movie] Rob says, "I also watched My Favorite Year for the first time in years, which was one of my favorite cable movies back in the 80s"
[books] Allen says, "it's affixed right to the cover and it's not glossy"
[movie] Rob says, "still pretty good"
[movie] McMartin says, "'phi phenomenon' sounds too silly, I can see why the film theorists kept calling it PoV"
[movie] Rob says, "the film stock in 1982 was nice"
[cycling] jenrexrode says, "DVR fail and fail again"
[movie] inky says, "ok, so the original persistence of vision idea said that separate frames looked like movement because the *eye* kept the image around for a little while"
[movie] Rob says, "had a bit of grain that gave everything a certain nostalgic burnish"
[movie] Rob says, "right"
[movie] Rob says, "like when you shut your eyes and the image takes a bit to fade"
[movie] Rob asks, "what's the new idea?"
[movie] Rob asks, "the brain does it instead?"
[movie] inky says, "yeah, I think so"
[movie] Rob says, "oh well pfth"
[movie] McMartin says, "Pretty much, that it's an interpretation of data thing, not a warped perception"
[movie] Grocible says, "wot-EVA"
[movie] inky says, "like one thing they link to as a new theory is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beta_movement.gif "
[movie] inky says, "where the human brain tends to impose a "story" on these dots"
[movie] McMartin says, "That one has to be brain, because you see things as moving even though the image subset is actually static"
[movie] Roger says, "Hmmm but that thing where if you stare at a dot of light in a dark room and it appears to move, I think that is eyeball-based"
[movie] Roger says, "Autokinetic effect, I guess I mean"
[movie] inky says, "I didn't actually know anyone thought it was a function of vision"
[filmmaking] jenrexrode says, "I saw this weird thing in the TdF with the helicopter camera filming the riders cresting a hill, and it looked like the fields behind them were rising up.  I had to run it back several times to figure out what I was seeing.  Don't quite know how it was done"
[movie] inky says, "I guess it is the sort of thing they talk about in film school"
[movie] Roger says, "If it's a brain thing, I guess there should be persistence of hearing and stuff too"
[movie] Grocible says, "I figured it was kind of like scanrate"
[eeeagh] Allen | http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web05/2012/7/9/15/enhanced-buzz-14516-1341862891-10.jpg
[movie] inky says (to Roger), "well, more generically, there are cases where your brain causes you to hear something that isn't there"
[eeeagh] Allen says, "also: http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/7/9/15/enhanced-buzz-17919-1341861523-1.jpg "
[eeeagh] inky says, "wow, mixed message"
[eeeagh] Allen says, "there's a pin-up calendar too: http://adsoftheworld.com/files/images/the-german-crafts.jpg "
[movie] Rob says, "like earworms, and schizophrenia"
Tale is fired from breathing.
Tale has disconnected.
[movie] inky says, "yeah"
[movie] inky says, "or 'artificial sharpness'"
[movie] Rob says, "brain and brain, what is brain !"
[filmmaking] Rob asks, "TdF?"
[filmmaking] jenrexrode says, "Tour de France"
[filmmaking] vimes says, "tour de france"
[eeeagh] Rob says, "hee hee"
[filmmaking] Rob says, "oh right"
[filmmaking] jenrexrode says, "I guess they were shooting the riders from above, and the background was other riders, but as the crested the hill, the other riders dropped behind the hill, and the field on the next hill over became the background"
Ellison arrives from the east.
[movie] Rob asks, "hm what's artificial sharpness?"
Rob says, "Ell"
[movie] Roger says, "Or that really crazy one where your brain builds the waa-waa interference from two tones being fed independently into each ear"
[filmmaking] jenrexrode says, "and so this giant plowed field monster was rising up behind them - it was all blurry"
Ellison says, "Arr"
[filmmaking] Rob says, "mrroowwaarrrrhh"
[filmmaking] jenrexrode says, "yeah, it was freaky"
[movie] inky says, "that's probably not the real term for it"
[movie] Rob says, "what thing is perceived as artificially sharp"
[movie] Roger says, "a tone, I would guess"
[movie] inky says, "but like there's this thing where you hear a sound, and you think it's some particular sound (like, you think it's a cat meowing) and then it gets more and more clearly a cat meow"
[weather] Rob says, "few drops starting to fall"
[filmmaking] Grocible says, "jrr: apparent compression of distance"
[movie] inky says, "and then you look around and realize it's not a cat meowing and it doesn't sound like that any more"
[movie] Rob says, "oh huh"
[movie] inky says, "I dunno, maybe this is just a weird me-thing"
[movie] inky says, "I have it happen with vision too, if I'm seeing something out of the corner of my eye"
[filmmaking] jenrexrode says, "yeah"
Grocible says, "man. BA does not make it easy to let you figure out how the hell to redeem airmiles and vouchers"
[movie] Roger says, "Hmmm yeah I sort of get what you mean, especially visually"
[movie] Rob says, "this has nothing to do with that but I'm reminded of how occasionally I will set out to get one type of drink from the fridge, say milk, and then I change my mind and get grape juice, and then I get distracted and forget and go back to thinking I got milk, and the first sip is a frightening experience"
[filmmaking] jenrexrode says, "there are several helicopter shots that if you don't look at the rider, you feel like you're falling"
[movie] Ellison says, "maybe inky is haunted by cats"
[movie] Roger says, "Heh that's a good one to do with drinks you forget are alcoholic, too"
[movie] Grocible says, "he's being judged by a past life, when he killed a cat"
[movie] Rob says, "unrelated to the effect of getting a glass of grape juice whilst forgetting that you just brushed your teeth ten minutes ago"
[movie] jenrexrode says, "persistantance of beverage"
[movie] Grocible says, "that's just old age rob"
[movie] Roger says, "Increasingly tangentially, I've somehow become adapted to milk-after-mintiness and it doesn't disgust me or really bother me any more."
[weather] jenrexrode says, "Maddie did not see cause for celebration"
[movie] Rob says, "mm yeah"
[movie] Rob says, "I mean you can pretend it's mint chip ice cream or something"
[movie] inky says, "ha ha"
[movie] Rob says, "although hopefully without chips"
[movie] Rob says, "that reminds me, I just saw a new type of oreos"
[movie] inky says, "oh yeah"
[movie] Rob says, "cookies-n-cream oreos"
[movie] Rob says, "where they put crushed bits of oreos into the oreo filling"
[movie] Grocible says, "I ate some King Prawn Alfredo today"
[movie] Rob says, "which seems completely mad and completely well why the hell not at this point"
[movie] Grocible says, "I thought that sounds like the title of some indie film featuring Italian New Yorkers"
[movie] Roger says, "The native peoples use every part of the Oreo"
[movie] Rob says, "but it still seemed like some corner of reality had folded onto itself and armageddon must be coming soon"
[movie] inky says, "wasn't it someone here who had a story where a friend of there had something unidentified in their fridge, and they tasted it and were like "this is awful, what is this?" and then they had another taste and were like "oh, it's cheese" and then they had another taste and were like "oh, yeah, and I love this cheese" and then it tasted great"
[movie] Rob says (to Roger), "yay"
[movie] jenrexrode says, "they must be for licking"
[movie] Roger says (to inky), "That does sound like an ifmud story alright."
[movie] Rob says, "ha ha"
[movie] jenrexrode says, "because chewing already makes them like that"
[movie] Roger says, "And so I was watching tv and it was one of those fat-loss shows."
[movie] Grocible says, "there's this game I've seen people play at burning man where someone gives someone else a jolly rancher, but makes the recipient close their eyes"
[movie] Grocible says, "then they have to guess the flavour"
[cycling] jenrexrode says, "DVR - it's like there's a bad boot track, and I can't FF or anything"
[movie] Rob says, "I had this thing happen where I could absolutely not stand goat cheese in even the slightest quantity. then I worked on a movie where there were two goats on set, and I had to wrangle them sometimes, got used to how goats smell"
[movie] Roger says, "And they had that part where the doctor had this big bowl of butter or lard or something to apparently show you how gross you are"
[movie] Rob says, "then somehow the byproduct was this was that the goaty flavor of goat cheese was like 'oh, it's like goats, that's ok' and now I can eat it and enjoy it"
[movie] Rob says, "(that was that Sixgun movie)"
[movie] Roger says, "So I said "...and this bowl of grapes is YOUR EYEBALLS" and anyway I thought that was decently funny"
[movie] Roger says, "That is weird, Rob"
[movie] Rob says, "I never got around to writing the stories about the goats! which bothers me among other things about not finishing that"
[movie] Rob says, "yeah it is Roger"
[movie] Rob says, "but it happened"
[movie] Grocible says, "goats have freaky eyes"
[movie] Roger asks, "Does goat cheese smell like goats?"
[movie] McMartin says, "It's made out of goats"
[movie] Rob says, "it tastes like goats smell"
[movie] Rob says, "in some way that can only be defined as goatiness"
[movie] Roger says, "I am inclined to disagree but I guess there's no resolving it"
[movie] Rob says, "also boy it's not just stereotyping to say that goats are stubborn"
[movie] Rob says, "those goats were a handful of stubborn with a wagon of more stubborn wheeling up behind"
[movie] inky says, "ha ha"
[movie] Rob asks, "have you hung around goats?"
[movie] inky says, "he is just being stubborn"
[movie] Rob says, "'hey, someone get that goat out of shot'"
[movie] inky says, "ha ha"
[movie] Rob says, "and then you'd tug on the leash collar and they'd stiffen their front legs and lock their knees and utterly refuse just to mess with you"
[movie] Roger says, "That goat really gets my goat."
[movie] inky says, "I was going to make a joke about being hung like a goat, but I don't know if that would be good or bad"
[movie] Rob says, "those goats knew what they were up to, too"
[movie] Rob says, "one time we were shooting in a barn, in the upstairs loft of the barn"
[movie] Rob says, "and then suddenly one of the goats appeared on set"
[movie] Roger says, "Suddenly, goats."
[movie] Rob says, "it had figured out where we were, and came all the way in and up the stairs"
[movie] Roger exclaims, "GOATS!"
[movie] Rob says, "and then got in the way"
[movie] Rob says, "and it was hard not to see this as intentional activity or at least curiosity and playfulness"
[movie] Grocible says, "it loved you!"
[movie] Rob says, "but the fact that one of them figured it out to this extent amazed me"
[movie] Rob says, "but try getting a goat to go back downstairs when it decides nah I'm cool here, sheesh"
[cycling] jenrexrode says, "you just have your friend get on all fours behind the goat and push it backwards"
[cycling] jenrexrode says, "oops"
[movie] Grocible says, "that's when you go up to the goat"
[movie] Grocible says, "and whisper quietly"
[movie] jenrexrode says, "you just have your friend get on all fours behind the goat and push it backwards"
Grocible'if you don't do what I tell you I'll cut your balls off"
[movie] Rob says, "if you get behind a goat you get a handful of goat pellets as a reward"
[movie] Roger says, "I guess pretty much the only reason some goat breeds still have horns is that they make useful handles"
Grocible says, "ilac"
[movie] jenrexrode says, "or tap the back of their knees.   at least that works on people"
[movie] Rob says, "heh"
Hugo goes home.
Hugo has disconnected.
[movie] Rob says, "I guess I didn't want to put my hands underneath a goat when it was in a mood"
[movie] Roger says, "Unlike vision, the persistence of goats is no myth"
[movie] Rob says, "hurray full circle"
[movie] Rob says, "also it's raining so I need to logout and go back inside"
[movie] jenrexrode says, "this is all made up btw - goat at your own risk"
[movie] Rob says, "possibly I shall return unless I get distracted by something"
[movie] lpsmith says (to inky), "#belated, yeah, that was me with the cheese story.  (Also, it was Konrad, who I think you've met)"
[movie] Rob says, "yay confirmation of cheese story"
Rob says, "blrp"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.