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Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob, fake_Robb_Sherwin
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this."
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Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday William!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder, Sarcasm Detector
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Recapping 1000 of 2715 lines from recent channels:
[tangent]/06:32 Gunther says, "it's the one genius idea in all of Wheel of Time"
[whiz-games]|06:32 Whizzard says, "Origins awards, here we come."
[tangent]|06:32 Gunther says, "the one thing that should exist"
[whiz-games]|06:32 Gunther says, "we played KB once and one of the players vowed to never play it again"
[tangent]|06:32 Hjalfi asks, "What is balefire? Isn't that from Thomas Covenant?"
[tangent]|06:32 Alex says (to Hjalfi), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that balefire is something that erases the target out of history entirely, as if it had never existed."
[tangent]|06:33 Hjalfi says, "Ah."
[tangent]|06:33 Gunther says, "and no, it's RJ"
[tangent]|06:33 Fang says (to Hjalfi), "Balefire is 'set phasers to reverse causality'"
[tangent]|06:33 Gunther says, "though Thomas Covenant should certainly *be* balefired"
[whiz-games]|06:33 Whizzard says (to Gunther), "It's a contemptibly boring design."
[tangent]|06:33 Hjalfi says, "That's in _Kraken_."
[tangent]|06:34 Fang says, "I think normal balefire doesn't erase the target from history entirely, merely make it so that he has been destroyed a few seconds before the spell has been cast"
[tangent]|06:35 Fang says, "which is handy when the bad guy has just murdered your love interest or something"
[tangent]|06:35 Gunther says, "oh, the full removal may be Chainfire, from the "I totally did NOT read Wheel of Time why would you think that" Sword of Truth"
[tangent]|06:35 Fang says, "full removal is Command and Conquer"
[tangent]|06:35 Whizzard says, "Naw, it was Balefire. I got handed the WoT d20 book."
[tangent]|06:35 Gunther says, "there's both"
[tangent]|06:35 Whizzard says, "It's a 10th level spell in there."
[tangent]|06:35 Gunther says, "either way, fuck Covenant."
[tangent]|06:35 Hjalfi says, "Ew. No."
[tangent]|06:36 Gunther says, "don't worry, leprosy isn't infectious"
[tangent]|06:36 Fang says, "well, you can have different degrees of balefiring"
[tangent]|06:36 Hjalfi asks, "If Alice balefires Bob, and then Charles balefires Alice, does Bob come back into existence?"
[tangent]|06:36 Fang says, "dunno, maybe"
[tangent]|06:37 Gunther says (to Hjalfi), "*authorial handwave*"
[tangent]|06:38 Olly says, "It depends on whether Alice chose "Secure Balefire" or not."
[tangent]|06:38 Gunther | An example for this effect was when Rahvin, a Forsaken, killed several characters but was later destroyed by Rand al'Thor using balefire. "After", the slain characters' deaths were undone and they were later found alive, having a blurred memory of their death and at times others who were witness to it express surprise at seeing them alive.
[tangent]|06:38 Hjalfi asks, "What happens if Alice and Bob balefire each other *at the same time*?"
[tangent]|06:39 Gunther | It is possible that the intersection of two beams of balefire can cause adverse effects in the channellers. When Rand and an unknown-to-him male channeller (the forsaken Ishamael, later renamed Moridin) used balefire at the same time and the beams crossed, both were nearly knocked unconscious by the backlas
[tangent]|06:39 Gunther says, "h"
[tangent]|06:39 Gunther says, "HE THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING"
[tangent]|06:39 Fang says, "Total photonic reversal"
[tangent]|06:41 Hjalfi says, "#programming http://fdiv.net/2012/04/01/objectivist-c "
[tangent]|06:42 Gunther says, "heh heh, fountainheader"
[tangent]|06:44 marc says, "hee hee"
[tangent]|06:44 Gunther says, "the code is supremely unfunny, but the stuff inbetween is ok"
[whiz-games]|06:45 Whizzard says, "Well, anyhow, my FSA navy is done."
[whiz-games]|06:46 Whizzard says, "A total of 47 minis and 22 tiny flyer tokens."
[grr]|06:47 DavidW says, " http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1223173--vandals-smash-duck-billed-dinosaur-fossil-to-pieces-in-alberta "
[books]|06:47 Hjalfi says, "Also, just read _A Face Like Glass_ by Frances Hardinge. (Disclaimer: used to be a cow orker of mine.) Read this book."
[apropos-of-nothing]|06:48 Olly says (to Johnny), "I have been reading Abstruse Goose since you linked to it more than two hours ago."
[books]|06:49 Gunther asks, "why?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|06:51 Johnny says (to Olly), "I am so, so sorry."
[apropos-of-nothing]|06:51 Johnny says, "You can suggest to me a movie to watch and I'll watch it."
[apropos-of-nothing]|06:52 Johnny says, "Even the colorized version of Night of the Living Dead."
[books]|06:54 Hjalfi says, "In an underground city whose craftsmen are so expert that they can produce cheeses which let you see the future or wines which can destroy your soul, whose ruler has been without sleep for so long that the two halves of his brain are no longer on speaking terms, where the geography will literally drive you mad, and where people have to go Facesmiths to learn each new facial expression they want to use, one girl appears with a horrifying ability --- you can see her thoughts in her face..."
[apropos-of-nothing]|06:55 Olly | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7kEXUN68HU
[books]|06:55 Hjalfi | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Face-Like-Glass-Frances-Hardinge/dp/0230748791/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341831299&sr=8-1
[apropos-of-nothing]|06:57 Johnny waits for it to load.
[books]|06:57 Gunther asks, "YA though?"
[books]|06:57 Hjalfi says, "Only technically."
[books]|06:58 Johnny says (to Hjalfi), "We're okay with you reading YA."
[gayrights]|06:59 Fang says, "#google"
[gayrights]|07:00 Fang says, " http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/08/technology/google-legalize-love/ "
[gayrights]|07:05 Gunther says, "also in recap"
[gayrights]|07:06 Fang says, "so it is"
[gayrights]|07:09 Fang |
[gayrights]|07:09 Fang | Google should not be meddling with this. What happened to 'not be evil' This reeks of evil
[gayrights]|07:11 Olly says, "I was going to say that this was upgrading "don't be evil" to "be non-evil.""
[gayrights]|07:12 Gunther says, "response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RBP8_QSg-c "
[gayrights]|07:19 Gunther says, "ha ha the fuckbrain who wants to "back off of google""
[gayrights]|07:19 Gunther says, "good luck finding a bigoted search engine, you shit"
[gayrights]|07:19 Gunther says, "please cancel your internet access and jump off a bridge"
[gayrights]|07:25 Fang says, "in the bigoted search engine, you need to specify the gender, sexuality and race of whatever you are searching for"
[greece]|07:28 olethros says, "oh another resignation"
[greece]|07:29 Fang exclaims, "they'll never solve greece's unemployment problem at this rate!"
[gayrights]|07:29 Gunther says, "but the only options are "male", "straight" and "white""
[gayrights]|07:30 Fang says, "well duh"
[gayrights]|07:30 Gunther says, "then it redirects you to a black-on-white gangbang movie"
[gayrights]|07:30 Fang says, "except for female when you are googling for porn"
[gayrights]|07:30 Fang says, "er"
[gayrights]|07:30 Fang says, "notgoogling"
[gayrights]|07:30 Fang asks, "goggling? ogling?"
[books]|07:31 Johnny says (to Olly), "That was pretty good."
[books]|07:31 Johnny says, "ilac"
[apropos-of-nothing]|07:34 Olly says, "I like it."
[lounge]|07:35 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|07:35 Jota greets.
[lounge]|07:35 Olly says, "Hello, Jota."
[lounge]|07:36 Olly says, "Ciao, everybody."
[lounge]|07:36 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[teaching]|07:36 olethros says, "OK, student's master thesis: 60 pages"
[teaching]|07:40 ghira asks, "isn't that a lot for a master's?"
[teaching]|07:41 annabianca asks, "isn't word count more reliable?"
[teaching]|07:44 olethros says, "there is a bit too much repetition"
[teaching]|07:44 Fang says, "I'm not sure if word count makes much sense for equations"
[teaching]|07:44 olethros says, "he also has a lot of repetition in the proofs"
[lounge]|07:45 Tale thinks Romans are brilliant. They beat everyone at wars AND had better helmets.
[lounge]|07:45 Lucea is gonna get back baby bad balls to you, love, cretin.
[lounge]|07:45 * Lucea has disconnected.
[teaching]|07:45 olethros says, "the first 21 pages are introduction / related work and the next 30 are the descriptions of his work, and the last 10 experimental reults"
[teaching]|07:45 olethros says, "ach, I unfortunately could not teach him to write proper english"
[teaching]|07:46 Fang asks, "what sort of font size/line spacing?"
[teaching]|07:46 olethros | The spectrum of reinforcement learning can be resumed in finding effective and efficient methods to resolve the reinforcement problem defined below.
[teaching]|07:46 olethros says, "it's double-spaced, 10pt, I think"
[teaching]|07:47 olethros says, "so probably ... 40 pages in a non-thesis format"
[teaching]|07:47 Fang asks, "hmm, 10pt is pretty small, right?"
[teaching]|07:47 olethros says, "it's pretty big"
[teaching]|07:47 olethros says, "9pt is normal, 8pt is small"
[teaching]|07:47 Fang asks, "I mean, isn't 12pt the standard, or am I dreaming?"
[teaching]|07:47 Fang says, "hm"
[teaching]|07:48 annabianca asks, "where is the student from?"
[teaching]|07:48 olethros says (to Fang), "11pt in latex"
[teaching]|07:49 Fang says, "(basically, I'm writing up my thesis, and have no idea what the standard format is"
[teaching]|07:49 Fang says, ")"
[teaching]|07:50 olethros says, "hm"
[lounge]|07:50 Tale asks (of marc), "Are you behind the "Interactive Fiction" thing on FB?"
[teaching]|07:50 olethros says, "ok, wait, latex standard is 10pt"
[teaching]|07:50 olethros says, "(article)"
[teaching]|07:50 Fang says, "right now, I seem to be doing 12pt double spaced, but I don't know if that makes sense, or if I'm just inflating the length to make myself feel good, :/"
[teaching]|07:50 Fang asks (of olethros), "for article, but for theses?"
[teaching]|07:50 olethros says, "12pt ? that's big"
[teaching]|07:50 olethros says, "latex article"
[teaching]|07:53 olethros says, "yeah, 10pt seems to be the standard in all of latex classes"
[teaching]|07:53 olethros says (to annabianca), "france"
[teaching]|07:54 Fang says, "well, my question I guess isn't what the standard in latex is, but what's expected"
[teaching]|07:54 olethros shrugs.
[teaching]|07:54 olethros says, "it's institution-dependent"
[teaching]|07:54 olethros says, "in the netherlands, it is usually 9pt, a3 size, single-spaced booklet"
[teaching]|07:55 olethros says, "in most other places it is double-spaced, a4 size, at least 10pt"
[teaching]|07:55 olethros asks, "don't you have a latex template?"
[teaching]|07:56 Fang asks, "9pt A3 size....?"
[teaching]|07:56 olethros says, "sorry A5 :)"
[teaching]|07:56 Fang says, "haha"
[teaching]|07:56 olethros says, "in the netherlands, the format is a large scroll"
[teaching]|07:56 Fang says, "that would be... wow, unimaginably terrible to read"
[teaching]|07:56 olethros asks, " http://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/help/faqs/latex/thesisclass ??"
[lounge]|07:57 DavidW says (to Tale), "um, I'm one of the Interactive Fiction people on FB. I recopied your post about Herbstlaub."
[lounge]|07:57 Matthew says, "Hi all."
[teaching]|07:57 Fang says, "ah yes, I have seen this page before"
[teaching]|07:57 olethros says, ";I don't know why theses are double-spaced other than for examiners to make corrections"
[teaching]|07:57 Fang says, "so yeah"
[teaching]|07:57 Fang says, "they seem to be 12pt"
[teaching]|07:57 olethros says, "I hate double-spaced text"
[lounge]|07:58 Tale says (to davidW), "Ah great, thanks"
[lounge]|08:01 DavidW says, "The other two admins are David Fillmore (Marvin) and Dan Fabulich."
[teaching]|08:05 olethros says, "anyway, so my question is how much grade to cut due to the bad organisation and language. I suppose I can forgive the language."
[teaching]|08:07 Fang asks, "what's the bad organisation issue?"
[teaching]|08:09 olethros says, "he introduces MDPs, then he formalises the reinforcement learning problem as an MDP, but without using the introduced MDP variables"
[teaching]|08:09 olethros says, "then he switches back to the MDP stuff"
[teaching]|08:09 Gunther says, "MacDock Pro"
[lounge]|08:10 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[teaching]|08:12 olethros says, "I had already fixed these problems for our submitted paper, but anyway"
[kickstarter]|08:13 Gunther says, "aaaa so close"
[kickstarter]|08:15 Matthew asks, "?"
[kickstarter]|08:15 Gunther says, " http://www.ulule.com/af/ "
[lounge]|08:15 * Tale has disconnected.
[lounge]|08:15 * Tale has connected.
[kickstarter]|08:16 Matthew says, "So exactly how many Kickstarter knockoff sites are there now?  I'd never heard of this one before."
[kickstarter]|08:16 Gunther says, "this is an European one"
[kickstarter]|08:16 Gunther says, "I know of 3"
[kickstarter]|08:16 Gunther says, "Kickstarter, Indiegogo, and Ulule"
[kickstarter]|08:17 Matthew says, "Huh, I guess that's not so bad."
[kickstarter]|08:17 Gunther says, "Ulule is pretty french"
[dreams]|08:19 Allen says, "I dreamed I got a giant sandwich. I was hungry, and there was nothing to eat but the giant sandwich, except for crackers sweetened with margarine and sugar"
[dreams]|08:19 Allen says, "this sandwich was circular, about a foot in diameter"
[dreams]|08:20 olethros says, "cracker I'd never have dreamed of crackers with margrarine and sugar"
[movie]|08:25 Matthew says, "Oh yeah."
[movie]|08:25 Matthew says, "I watched Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol over the weekend."
[movie]|08:25 Matthew says, "I actually liked it, but those scenes set in and around the Burj Khalifa...  Just insane."
[lounge]|08:26 Rob comes right on in.
[lounge]|08:26 Rob says, "gazoom"
[movie]|08:26 Matthew says, "I'm not exactly afraid of heights; I don't love them, but I'm not terrified.  But those scenes had me cowering."
[lounge]|08:26 Matthew says, "Hey Rob."
[lounge]|08:26 Gunther says, "Rob Khalifa"
[TMI]|08:27 Rob says, "wrf"
[TMI]|08:28 Rob says, "I had to make a decision about whether to use the restroom at the cafe or whether I could make it home with kind of an emergency feeling going on"
[TMI]|08:29 Rob says, "I decided to go there, and was thinking this was the right decision until I reached for the toilet handle and ... nothing happened when I pushed it"
[TMI]|08:29 Rob says, "it's like that scene in dumb & dumber only it's hideous reality"
[TMI]|08:30 Fang says, "in this situation, I'd leave quietly"
[health]|08:30 olethros says, "ok, I am reading the groklaw writeup on the ACA"
[TMI]|08:30 Fang says, "and rapidly"
[health]|08:30 olethros says, "and one of these struck me as an overlooked, but very important fact:"
[TMI]|08:30 Rob says, "yeah that wasn't an option I liked"
[health]|08:30 olethros | In the Affordable Care Act, Congress addressed the problem of those who cannot obtain insurance coverage because of preexisting conditions or other health issues. It did so through the Act?s ?guaranteed-issue? and ?community-rating? provisions. These provisions together prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage to those with such conditions or charging unhealthy individuals higher premiums than healthy individuals.
[health]|08:31 olethros | The guaranteed-issue and community-rating reforms do not, however, address the issue of healthy individuals who choose not to purchase insurance to cover potential health care needs. In fact, the reforms sharply exacerbate that problem, by providing an incentive for individuals to delay purchasing health insurance until they become sick, relying on the promise of guaranteed and affordable coverage.
[TMI]|08:31 Rob says, "actually I opened the back of the tank and fixed it -- the chain that pulls the rubber stopper had come undone from the handle arm"
[TMI]|08:31 Fang says, "if you have a bucket or something, you can flush the loo from the sink"
[TMI]|08:31 Fang says, "yeah, that sometimes works"
[TMI]|08:31 olethros says, "hooray, puzzle resolved"
[TMI]|08:31 olethros says, "at least there was toilet paper"
[TMI]|08:31 Rob says, "yeah I did leave thinking it was like a quick reality puzzle to solve"
[TMI]|08:31 Rob says, "yeah"
[TMI]|08:32 olethros says, "I am reminded of this Kreider comic, subtitled, 'What Would Jesus Do?', showing said figure cautiously walking away from what appears to be a very bad toilet mess"
[TMI]|08:32 Rob says, "fortunately nobody started knocking on the door trying to come in and adding time pressure and extra embarrassment potential to the situation"
[law]|08:32 Fang | Apple?s .. argument is that ?a tap is a zero-length swipe.? That?s silly. It?s like saying that a point is a zero-length line.
[law]|08:33 Matthew says, "Uh."
[law]|08:33 Matthew asks, "I hate to sound stupid, but isn't that exactly what a point is?"
[law]|08:33 Rob says, "ha ha"
[law]|08:36 Fang says (to Matthew), "well, here's my zero-length counterargument:"
[law]|08:36 Matthew says, "Hmm, convincing."
[WWIII]|08:39 Gunther | A team at the University of Texas successfully spoofed the GPS and took control of a DHS drone, for about $1,000 in off-the-shelf parts
[music]|08:39 Allen says, "there, mostly finished: http://plover.net/~agarvin/20-susanna_fayre_sometime_of_love.pdf "
[WWIII]|08:39 Gunther says, " http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18643134 "
[music]|08:40 Allen says, "still need to go thru and find appropriate ficta"
[WWIII]|08:41 Fang asks, "aren't these drones manually piloted?"
[WWIII]|08:42 Gunther says, "no"
[WWIII]|08:42 Allen says, "probably at times, but surely no one is monitoring them all the time"
[WWIII]|08:43 Allen asks, "and would you be able to tell that something was wrong, easily?"
[weather]|08:44 Rob says, "yay rain"
[weather]|08:45 Rob says, "but I'm sitting outside and have to go in suddenly"
[weather]|08:45 Gunther says, "suddenly, eh= #tmi"
[weather]|08:45 Gunther says, "s/=/?/"
[weather]|08:45 Rob says, "that storm has passed thankfully"
[lounge]|08:47 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|08:47 * Tale has disconnected.
[teaching]|08:52 olethros yawns.
[teaching]|08:52 olethros says, "this is far too long"
[teaching]|08:53 olethros says, "an hour later, I am only 30 pages in"
[gayrights]|08:57 Allen | My wife is not a lesbian and neither is my son. I've never had sex with a man and neither has my wife. I hope that your campaigning for homosexuals is due to your being unknoweable rather than you thinking the things they do are just `sexual preferance.' Keep your sexual perversions to yourself and I'll keep my sexual perversions to myself.
[teaching]|08:57 Fang says, "grade him tl;dr"
[gayrights]|08:58 Fang says, "a strange marriage this"
[teaching]|08:58 olethros says, "in the paper, this 10-page section is only two pages"
[law]|09:01 Allen | When Donna Barstow chose the tone and approach she used with Something Awful, one must presume she didn't understand the culture of the place. (The fact that she later indicated that she thinks 4chan is a British television channel tends to confirm this.)
[law]|09:01 Hjalfi says, "Do not meddle in the affairs of 4chan, because... well, everything they do will offend you. EVERYTHING."
[gayrights]|09:02 olethros says, "is this a riddle? then the answer is 'puritans'"
[gayrights]|09:03 Fang says, "well, the answer is that these guys are jesus"
[lounge]|09:05 Iain hasn't been here since April, I'm starting to get worried.
[lounge]|09:05 Iain says, "Afternoon all."
[lounge]|09:06 Rob says, "Iain"
[lounge]|09:06 Iain says, "Holiday holiday holiday"
[lounge]|09:06 Iain says, "#nyc beckons"
[lounge]|09:06 Rob says, "wooh"
[lounge]|09:08 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|09:08 Jota greets.
[eggcorn]|09:08 Rob says, "there must be people who think the phrase is 'beckon call' instead of 'beck and call'"
[lounge]|09:08 Rob greets Jota.
[lounge]|09:08 Jota says, "Ahoy."
[eggcorn]|09:08 Rob says, "whatever the heck beck is"
[eggcorn]|09:09 olethros says, "I am sure it is actually bacon call"
[eggcorn]|09:09 Rob says, "like a booty call only more fattening"
[eggcorn]|09:09 olethros says, "I think I hear a distance sizzlering"
[eggcorn]|09:09 olethros says, "*distant"
[English]|09:10 Jota asks, "Why do people say that a simile uses 'like or as', but not 'than'?"
[English]|09:10 Iain says, "I don't get the whole simile/metaphor distinction at all."
[English]|09:10 Jota asks, "Is it just because it's traditional to oversimplify things for students to ensure they don't inadvertantly understand them, or is there some reason a comparison with 'than' wouldn't count as a simile?"
[English]|09:10 Hjalfi asks (of Jota), "Sorry, don't follow?"
[English]|09:10 Iain says, "It's kind of like vi and emacs."
[English]|09:11 Jota says (to Iain), "Basically, a metaphor is when you are actually calling something something else."
[English]|09:11 Jota says, "A simile is when you say your son is as strong as an ox. You're just comparing him to an ox, but you're not calling him one."
[English]|09:11 Jota says, "A metaphor is when you say 'Meet my son, the ox!'"
[English]|09:11 Iain says, "'My son is as strong as a human'"
[English]|09:11 Rob says, "what's a simile construction using 'than'"
[English]|09:11 Jota says, "Or 'A mighty fortress is our God.'"
[English]|09:11 Jota exclaims (at Rob), "My son is *stronger* than an ox!"
[English]|09:12 Rob says, "that's no ... hmm."
[English]|09:12 Gunther says (to Jota), "that could go both ways (the fortress)"
[obits]|09:12 Rob says, "aw, borgnine"
[obits]|09:12 Rob says, "wow 95 though"
[English]|09:12 Jota asks (of Gunther), "How so?"
[English]|09:12 Hjalfi says (to Jota), "I'd consider that to be a simile, because you're still comparing him to the ox, rather than saying he is one."
[English]|09:12 Gunther says, "and "stronger than an ox" is a hyperbolic comparison, not a simile or a metaphor"
[English]|09:13 Jota says (to Gunther), "You're not just saying that he's like a fortress, or that he's as big or as strong as a fortress. You're saying he *is* a fortress."
[English]|09:13 Gunther says (to Jota), "is there a mighty fortress you are calling God, or is there a God you're comparing to a mighty fortress"
[English]|09:13 Allen says, "Ein feste burg!"
[English]|09:13 Gunther says, "eine"
[English]|09:13 Jota says (to Gunther), "The latter."
[English]|09:13 Gunther says, "I know"
[English]|09:13 Gunther says, "but I prefer the former"
[English]|09:13 Jota says, "(Hence the use of the indefinite pronoun 'a' on the fortress and the explicit identifier 'our' on God.)"
[English]|09:14 Allen asks, "wait, really? Eine?"
[English]|09:14 Allen says, "no one sings it like that"
[English]|09:14 Gunther says, "yes, Burg is female"
[English]|09:14 Gunther says, "I assume they drop it because it alters the rhythm"
[English]|09:14 Gunther says, "the e"
[English]|09:14 Rob says, "this is reminding me of a recent colbert joke, 'our economy is sluggish. it's more sluggish than a slug at a slug convention. things have gotten so bad, I had to fire my metaphor writer.'"
[English]|09:14 Jota says, "Anyway, for the 'stronger than an ox' thing, I could see it being considered neither a simile nor a metaphor, like Gunther said."
[English]|09:14 Rob says, "the 'more sluggish than a slug at a slug convention' sounded like a blackadder joke"
[English]|09:14 Jota says, "But I don't see any good reason that it shouldn't be considered a simile."
[English]|09:15 Gunther says (to Rob), "'Xer than an X Ying X' is not really anything new, no"
[English]|09:15 Jota says, "Sluggish! That's another one that seems like it should be considered a simile."
[English]|09:15 Allen says, "the wikipedia page redirects to Ein: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eine_feste_Burg_ist_unser_Gott "
[English]|09:15 Jota says, "Because 'sluggish' just means 'slug-like'."
[English]|09:15 Jota says, "You're not saying the economy *is* a slug, so it's not a metaphor. But you're comparing it to a slug."
[English]|09:16 Gunther says (to Allen), "it's still technically wrong"
[lounge]|09:18 Jizaboz surfs into the lounge on a yellow-stained board which looks too short.
[lounge]|09:18 Jizaboz says, "Good morning."
[English]|09:18 Jota says, "I guess, looking at dictionary.reference.com, 'sluggish' and 'stronger than an ox' fit their definition of a simile."
[gmail]|09:18 Rob says, "every day gmail says 'you are using an older browser that may not support all features.  [upgrade]  [dismiss]' and I dismiss it, but it only dismisses it until the next time I load it"
[English]|09:19 Allen says, "but it's God. God cannot be technically wrong."
[lounge]|09:19 Rob says, "Jbz"
[English]|09:19 Fang asks, "how can something be more slug like than a slug?"
[English]|09:19 Jota | a figure of speech in which two unlike things are explicitly compared, as in "she is like a rose." Compare metaphor.
[gmail]|09:19 Gunther says, "solution: stop using an older browser"
[gmail]|09:20 Rob says, "yeah pfth"
[English]|09:20 Jota says (to Fang), "I believe Rob's quote was intended humorously as an example of a poor use of language."
[gmail]|09:20 Gunther says, "all of us web designers will love you for it"
[English]|09:20 Jota says, "Anyway, this definition doesn't mention 'like' or 'as' at all, and 'than' and '-ish' both seem like explicit comparisons to me."
[English]|09:21 Hjalfi says, "The explicit comparison would seem to be the important thing to me."
[English]|09:21 Jota says, "Yeah."
[English]|09:21 Gunther says, "anyway, you are more summery than a summer day on August 15th"
[wiki]|09:21 marc says, "time to try upgrading an ancient version of moinmoin"
[English]|09:22 Jota says, "So this suggests that, unfortunately, my cynical suspicion that the 'like or as' rule is just something teachers made up so that students could pass a test without having to actually understand it may be correct."
[law]|09:22 Gunther | Samsung Wins U.K. Apple Ruling Over 'Not as Cool' Galaxy Tab
[law]|09:22 Gunther |  a judge ruled the design of its Galaxy Tab isn't cool enough to be confused with an iPad.
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:22 Rob says, "of nothing there's a kitchen gadget for removing strawberry stems"
[law]|09:22 Gunther says, "a cretinous ruling to end a cretinous lawsuit"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:22 Rob says, "how often does a need for that come up I wonder"
[law]|09:23 Gunther says, "more cretinous than Cretin McCreedy after hitting his head on the cretin tree"
[English]|09:23 Jota says, "'similar' is another explicit comparison word which seems etymologically apropos."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:23 Rob says, "it's the cheapest thing on my cousin's amazon.com wedding registry"
[English]|09:23 Jota says, "(E.g., 'this man's brain is quite similar to a peanut'.)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:23 Gunther asks, "is it a knife?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:24 Jota asks (of Rob), "Maybe if you like smoothies?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:24 Jota says, "If you have a strawberry smoothie several times a week, then it might be useful."
[Robstuff]|09:24 Rob says, " http://www.amazon.com/Chefn-StemGem-Strawberry-Stem-Remover/dp/B002XOHZWC/ "
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:24 Rob says, " http://www.amazon.com/Chefn-StemGem-Strawberry-Stem-Remover/dp/B002XOHZWC/ "
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:25 Rob says, "hm ok yeah"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:25 Gunther says, "that still looks like it'd take thrice as long as with a knife"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:26 Gunther says, "but hey, I won't judge anyone over useless kitchen thingamabobs"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:26 Gunther says, "unless it's banana slicers, in which case what is wrong with you"
[robmumble]|09:27 Rob says, "oh hey they've listed a bunch of dvds on their wedding registry list"
[robmumble]|09:27 Rob says, "that's way more appropriate coming from me than any of this other stuff"
[robmumble]|09:27 (from Gunther) Rob . o O ( Armageddon Criterion? Rip up that RSVP! )
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:27 Rob says, "ha ha"
[robmumble]|09:27 Rob says, "there's a lot of romantic comedies"
[robmumble]|09:28 Rob says, "and then some action movies here and there"
[robmumble]|09:28 Rob says, "a lot of these are old and offered by resellers"
[lounge]|09:28 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[lounge]|09:29 Iain leaps astride a mountain pony and gallops off bareback for reinforcements.
[lounge]|09:29 * Iain has disconnected.
[hardware]|09:33 Ryan says, "Awesome, the fan in this laptop is buzzing loudly now."
[hardware]|09:33 Ryan says, "I may have to just bite the bullet and replace it."
[hardware]|09:34 Ryan says, "The laptop, not the fan. The laptop's too old and underpowered to bother with repairs."
[lounge]|09:34 katre cannot pretend he is a real witch if he cannot help a businessman get the European Union funds he wants.
[lounge]|09:34 katre says, "after five days out of the office I have no idea what I do here anymore"
[lounge]|09:34 Gunther says, "well, usually you don't come to the lounge"
[lounge]|09:34 katre says, "true"
[lounge]|09:35 Gunther says, "maybe that'll jog your memory as to the rest"
[lounge]|09:35 katre says, "I wanted to brag about my weekend, actually"
[lounge]|09:35 katre says, "who has two thumbs and learned to sail a boat? this guy"
[lounge]|09:35 Rob says, "wow"
[lounge]|09:35 Rob says, "a mighty sailor man he"
[lounge]|09:35 katre says, "also, who is very sore and sunburned? also this guy"
[lounge]|09:35 Gunther says, "hmm, still both thumbs means you didn't let any lines slip"
[lounge]|09:36 katre says (to gunther), "hee hee"
[lounge]|09:36 Rob says, "twanggg"
[lounge]|09:36 katre says, "I can still count to ten, luckily."
[lounge]|09:36 Gunther asks, "did you get any kind of certification? or just in general?"
[lounge]|09:36 katre says, "I have a 'Basic Keelboating' certification from US Sailing"
[lounge]|09:36 katre says, "and an invitation to pay oodles of money and join the sailing club that ran the class"
[lounge]|09:37 katre says, "also, the entire world is still gently swaying"
[lounge]|09:37 katre says, "I hope this goes away soon"
[lounge]|09:37 Gunther says, "yeah"
[kids]|09:38 Ryan says, "katre's story reminds me"
[lounge]|09:38 Gunther says, "(it will)"
[kids]|09:38 Ryan says, "They installed a new tire swing at our local playground."
[kids]|09:38 Ryan says, "Yesterday, Sophie and her two cousings, Eleanor (5) and Adele (2) were swinging on it. Since Adele is small, I was just gently twirling it, and everyone was having fun."
[lounge]|09:38 Gunther says, "also you should totally sign up because sailing is awesome"
[kids]|09:39 Ryan says, "Adele asked to get down, so I lifted her down, and she immediately toppled over dramatically to the left."
[lounge]|09:39 Gunther says, "Hudson River or similar, I assume, not the ocean"
[lounge]|09:39 katre says, "yeah"
[kids]|09:39 Rob says, "whomphf"
[kids]|09:39 Ryan says, "Then she learned a new word: dizzy!"
[lounge]|09:39 katre says, "we sailed down to the statue of liberty and watched a transatlantic trimaran race start"
[kids]|09:39 katre says, "hee"
[lounge]|09:39 Rob says, "wow translatlantic"
[lounge]|09:40 Rob says, "some people do way different things with their lives than I do"
[kids]|09:40 Ryan says, "For the rest of the afternoon, Eleanor was rather subdued, and didn't eat much dinner. Then after she went home, she vomited."
[lounge]|09:40 katre says (to rob), "my instructor knew some of the guys on one, so I asked him how long it takes"
[lounge]|09:40 katre says, "He said, 'Oh, they'll be there next week'"
[lounge]|09:40 katre says, "also, these were sponsored ships with a paid crew"
[kids]|09:40 Ryan says, "Today she is feeling fine."
[robmumble]|09:40 Rob says, "weird some kind of crazy alarm just started ringing out from the valley"
[robmumble]|09:40 Rob says, "maybe someone's house alarm or something"
[kids]|09:41 Ryan says, "Meanwhile, Sophie was 100% okay."
[kids]|09:41 Rob says, "gee"
[kids]|09:41 Ryan says, "So now I wonder if my brother's wife's family is highly susceptible to vertigo or something."
[lounge]|09:41 Rob says, "wow that fast"
[lounge]|09:41 katre says, "yeah"
[lounge]|09:41 Rob says, "they could have used those back in the 17th and 18th century"
[kids]|09:41 Ryan says, "It's weird, because they have and use other spinning toys regularly."
[lounge]|09:42 katre says, "well, there's almost no cargo space"
[lounge]|09:42 Rob says, "hm true"
[lounge]|09:42 katre says, "but, yeah, pretty awesome"
[lounge]|09:42 Gunther asks, "what kind of boat did you have?"
[lounge]|09:42 katre says (to gunther), "24-foot sloop"
[lounge]|09:42 Gunther says, "presumably it was a yacht and not just a laser/opti"
[lounge]|09:42 katre says, "four students (including myself), one instructor"
[lounge]|09:42 Gunther says, "huh, 24"
[lounge]|09:43 Gunther says, "we rented a 51ft one for our IJsselmeer travels"
[lounge]|09:43 Hjalfi says (to katre), "Awesome."
[lounge]|09:43 katre asks (of gunther), "how many crew?"
[lounge]|09:43 Gunther says, "4"
[videogames]|09:43 K-Y says, "so the Marvel finals ended on a revelatory moment"
[lounge]|09:43 Gunther says, "no instructor"
[lounge]|09:43 Gunther says, "but autopilot"
[lounge]|09:43 Hjalfi says, "I went out on my father's 7m ketch when I was on holiday. Sailed out to some islands, spent the night anchored there, came back the enxt day."
[lounge]|09:43 katre says, "the 24-foot was tight with 5 people, but that's apparently how many they use for races, so who knows"
[videogames]|09:43 Rob asks, "Marvel finals?"
[lounge]|09:43 katre says (to hj), "sweet"
[lounge]|09:43 Gunther says, "yeah, there was LOTS of room on the 51"
[videogames]|09:43 K-Y says, "guy has to win six matches in order to get the championship"
[videogames]|09:44 K-Y says, "Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3"
[videogames]|09:44 Rob says, "ok"
[lounge]|09:44 Gunther says, "enough leeway to futz around with the gennaker and stuff"
[lounge]|09:44 Gunther says, "it never really worked"
[lounge]|09:44 Hjalfi says, "Two masted bilge keel, no jibs. So utterly stable that you could set the tiller and leave it and she'd sail in a straight line. I do like boats that know what they're doing."
[lounge]|09:44 ghira says, "colleague of mine did one leg of a round the world yacht race"
[lounge]|09:44 katre says, "on the last run back sunday, we got to run out the spinnaker, which was awesome"
[lounge]|09:45 Hjalfi asks (of Gunther), "Is that a sort of combination genoa and spinnaker?"
[lounge]|09:45 Gunther says (to Hjalfi), "yeah"
[lounge]|09:45 Rob watches the jargon level rise
[lounge]|09:45 Rob says, "man the bilge pumps"
[videogames]|09:45 K-Y says, "after very narrowly edging out of a very close match and winning, the guy curls up into a fetal position right there on stage for a moment"
[lounge]|09:45 Gunther says, "it's asymmetric but not attached like a genoa"
[videogames]|09:45 Rob says, "huh"
[lounge]|09:46 Gunther says, "used to be called gollywhomper but I think we all know why that changed"
[lounge]|09:46 Hjalfi says, "Never been keen on those; just too complicated. I like simple rigs that you don't have to fiddle with. (I'm not an adrenaline sailor.)"
[videogames]|09:46 Rob says, "and then the crowd shouted 'FINISH HIM'"
[videogames]|09:46 K-Y says, "before snapping out of it and actually revelling in the win"
[videogames]|09:46 K-Y says, "there was also the MK finals, yes"
[videogames]|09:46 Rob says, "all the tension and concentration he'd been sustaining and exerting finally snapped like a string being cut"
[videogames]|09:47 Rob says, "and he became a blob"
[lounge]|09:48 Rob says, "ok back later"
[lounge]|09:48 Rob moseys right on out.
[lounge]|09:49 Gunther says (to Hjalfi), "well, a spinnaker either makes you faster or it hangs around embarrassingly"
[lounge]|09:49 Gunther says, "in which case you take it back down"
[lounge]|09:50 Gunther says, "(and hope nobody saw it)"
[videogames]|09:50 K-Y says, "it was a little bit disturbing once actually put into perspective"
[videogames]|09:51 K-Y says, "the notion that this guy had basically dedicated his whole life to this in order to get to this level"
[videogames]|09:52 K-Y says, "had he failed, there would have been nothing else"
[videogames]|09:53 Gunther says, "yeah, but now, there is also nothing else"
[videogames]|09:54 Fang says, "welcome to sports, I guess"
[videogames]|09:56 Gunther asks, "does this pay any money?"
[greece]|09:57 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! olethros has posted message 20, about 'bank data income statistics tax evasion', to the bulletin board! So the vicar said, 'Spare the cherubim, and whip the cream!'"
[videogames]|09:57 K-Y says, "there's sponsorship"
[videogames]|09:59 K-Y says, "you look at some players and you can't really imagine them doing anything other than get paid to play video games"
[eggcorn]|10:00 olethros says, "they key point, and why this paper is awesome"
[eggcorn]|10:00 olethros says, "lac"
[greece]|10:00 olethros says, "the key point, and why this paper is awesome"
[greece]|10:00 olethros | Banks
[greece]|10:00 olethros | adapt to the culture of semiformality and provide credit to individuals based on their inference of true income
[greece]|10:02 olethros says, "so people get loans which they supposedly have to service with 80+% of their income"
[lounge]|10:02 Jizaboz says, "Sigh.. customers who order 'regular'"
[lounge]|10:02 olethros asks, "regular what?"
[lounge]|10:02 Gunther asks, "phones?"
[lounge]|10:02 Jizaboz says, "Gee, we only have about 40 things you could call 'regular'"
[lounge]|10:02 Jizaboz says, "Coffee"
[lounge]|10:03 olethros asks, "do they actually say 'A regular'?"
[lounge]|10:03 Jizaboz says, "Haha well not quite that wording, just 'We need more regular' or 'I'd like to order 4 cases of regular'"
[greece]|10:03 olethros says, "in some cases this exceeds 100%"
[kickstarter]|10:03 Gunther says, "woo, AF funded"
[lounge]|10:03 Jizaboz says, "So then you get to dive through their invoice history and find out wtf 'regular' is."
[lounge]|10:04 Hjalfi says, "I frequently go into a coffee shop, stare at the board, and think 'I just want *coffee*, dammit'."
[lounge]|10:04 olethros says, "I need more regular bowel movements too"
[lounge]|10:04 katre returns again to the majesty of the Gumdrop Mountains.
[lounge]|10:04 Gunther says (to Hjalfi), "how utterly peasant of you"
[lounge]|10:04 ghira says, "this is where cafe's in markets can be easier"
[lounge]|10:04 ghira says, "I'm sure if you say "white with sugar" or whatever places will still give it to you"
[greece]|10:05 olethros | The correlation between defaults and the The correlation between defaults and the ratio of debt payments to income is a small negative number.
[lounge]|10:05 Jizaboz says, "I suppose in a cafe situation it's different, but in a warehouse selling to businesses it's just a bother for someone to refer to 'regular'"
[lounge]|10:05 Hjalfi says (to ghira), "Actually, these days I order a latte, which is pretty much the same thing."
[videogames]|10:05 Gunther says, " http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/07/09/steam-summer-sale-leaked/#more-115131 "
[videogames]|10:06 Fang asks, "is anthing not leaked, these days?"
[videogames]|10:06 Fang says, "*anything"
[videogames]|10:06 Gunther says, "yes, but obviously we don't hear about it"
[videogames]|10:06 Fang exclaims (at Gunther), "maybe someone can leak that list, then!"
[lounge]|10:07 Jizaboz says, "In this case this customer has ordered a lot of Van Houtte 'House' and a lot of Green Mountain 'Our Blend'. Both could be considered 'regular'"
[lounge]|10:07 Gunther says, "send them the blandest shit you hae"
[lounge]|10:07 Jizaboz says, "but I see sliiightly more House so we'll guess House."
[lounge]|10:07 Gunther says, "have"
[videogames]|10:07 Fang says, "the bundled packs seem uninteresting"
[lounge]|10:07 Jizaboz says (to Gunther), "That might be slightly appropriate, considering it's a funeral home."
[videogames]|10:08 Gunther says, "I want Fallout:NV"
[videogames]|10:08 Gunther says, "that's pretty much it"
[videogames]|10:08 Gunther says, "and by 'want' I mean 'am not sure I actually want'"
[lounge]|10:10 ghira says (to hjalfi), "at least in Italy if I order "un caffe'" that works"
[lounge]|10:13 annabianca says, "un caffe' macchiato caldo senza schiuma"
[lounge]|10:14 Gunther says, "caffe' corretto"
[lounge]|10:14 annabianca says, "people can get funny in italy with ordering coffee too"
[lounge]|10:15 Gunther says, "ristretto, corto, lungo, macchiato, corretto, decaffeinato, espresso..."
[lounge]|10:15 borowski is now in glorious BLACK & WHITE!
[lounge]|10:15 borowski says, "Hello"
[teaching]|10:15 annabianca exclaims, "doppio!"
[videogames]|10:15 K-Y says, "Ys in a bundle"
[lounge]|10:15 annabianca exclaims, "doppio!"
[videogames]|10:15 K-Y says, "now I've seen it all"
[teaching]|10:16 annabianca says, "but double coffee seems only common in Milan"
[teaching]|10:16 annabianca says, "aaarggh"
[lounge]|10:16 annabianca says, "but double coffee seems only common in Milan"
[lounge]|10:16 Jizaboz says, "Hey borowski"
[teaching]|10:16 Gunther says, "ti piace un salone"
[lounge]|10:18 Iain hasn't been here since April, I'm starting to get worried.
[lounge]|10:18 Iain says, "Re"
[videogames]|10:18 K-Y says, "it's not even indie, I guess"
[lounge]|10:18 Matthew says, "Hi Iain."
[teaching]|10:18 annabianca asks, "salone?"
[teaching]|10:18 Gunther says, "lounge"
[teaching]|10:18 Gunther says, "('you like a lounge')"
[teaching]|10:18 annabianca exclaims, "ahhhh!"
[TSD]|10:19 Fang says, " http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/shortcuts/2012/jul/09/caption-david-cameron-boris-johnson "
[travel]|10:22 Iain says, "Ah, airports."
[travel]|10:22 Iain says, "Even the wooden skewer through my sandwich is blunt."
[lounge]|10:23 Steve left the White House after one term, disgraced and offensively clean.
[lounge]|10:23 Matthew says, "Hey Steve."
[lounge]|10:28 olethros asks, "how can you have a macchiato without schiuma!?"
[lounge]|10:28 olethros says, "I thought that was the whole point"
[lounge]|10:29 Matthew says, "I don't even know what shiuma is."
[lounge]|10:29 olethros says, "froth"
[lounge]|10:29 Matthew says, "Er, schiuma.  OR HOW TO SPELL IT APPARENTLY."
[lounge]|10:30 olethros says, "ah, apparently macchiato is without the little bit of froth added at the end"
[wiki]|10:31 marc says, "blah"
[wiki]|10:31 marc | http://moinmo.in/RickVanderveer/UpgradingFromMoin15ToMoin16
[lounge]|10:31 Iain asks, "Are you guys talking about coffee, or is this a series of double entendres?"
[lounge]|10:32 olethros says, "I hope we may never know"
[lounge]|10:32 Iain says, "Either way, for some reason I fancy a coffee now."
[lounge]|10:32 Gunther asks, "your regular?"
[lounge]|10:33 Iain says, "Well, I already had a really nice coffee this morning."
[old-farts]|10:34 olethros | http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jul/09/suit-students-experience-old-age
[lounge]|10:35 Hjalfi says, "I assume Google coffee is the best."
[lounge]|10:35 marc says, "and crepes"
[lounge]|10:35 marc says, "i hear good things about the crepe and muffin carts"
[lounge]|10:35 Iain says, "I'm in Heathrow, not Google."
[lounge]|10:35 Gunther says, "coffee.google.com"
[lounge]|10:35 Hjalfi asks (of marc), "crepe's a bit 1970s, isn't it?"
[lounge]|10:35 Gunther says, "a bit crepe, as it were"
[lounge]|10:35 Doug has arrived.
[lounge]|10:35 Gunther says, "wah wah waah"
[lounge]|10:35 marc says, "google fondu"
[lounge]|10:36 Hjalfi says, "Last time I went through Heathrow I had a surprisingly good (but unsurprisingly overpriced) meal at Giraffe."
[lounge]|10:36 Iain says, "Whaat? Crepes are timeless."
[lounge]|10:36 Tale thinks Romans are brilliant. They beat everyone at wars AND had better helmets.
[lounge]|10:36 Doug goes home.
[lounge]|10:36 Doug has arrived.
[lounge]|10:36 Doug waves.
[lounge]|10:36 Gunther says, "crepeing death"
[lounge]|10:36 marc says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|10:36 marc says (to gunther), "on a pun roll eh"
[lounge]|10:36 marc says, "gunther rolls his puns like he rolls his crepes"
[lounge]|10:36 Doug asks, "Heathroogle?"
[lounge]|10:37 marc says, "[covered in bees]"
[lounge]|10:37 Tale says, "These puns are crepe"
[cabal]|10:37 katre asks (of iain), "when are you in NYC again?"
[cabal]|10:37 Iain says, "Tonight!"
[lounge]|10:37 Gunther says (to Tale), "no, repeating them is"
[cabal]|10:37 Iain says, "Leaving on Thursday."
[lounge]|10:38 olethros says, "should I ever open a restaurant, it will be called "unsurprisingly overpriced""
[jobs]|10:38 Tale says, "Hunger! Hunger! And stilll half an hour to go!"
[lounge]|10:38 olethros says, "hee hee"
[cabal]|10:38 katre says, "oh hey"
[cabal]|10:38 katre says, "I knew it was soon"
[lounge]|10:38 marc asks, "but i'm a crepe / i'm a weirdo / what the hell am i doing here?"
[cabal]|10:38 Iain says, "ddyte is promising baseball, though I've no idea if any games are actually on."
[lounge]|10:38 Tale says, "..gun"
[cabal]|10:38 katre says, "dinner/lunch/something"
[cabal]|10:38 katre asks, "?"
[lounge]|10:38 Tale says, "Damn you, indecipherable recap"
[cabal]|10:38 Iain says, "Yes!"
[lounge]|10:38 Tale says (to marc), "he he"
[cabal]|10:39 katre says, "awesome. I am busy tonight with class but free tomorrow. and maybe busy wednesday depending on my friends (unless you want to come play D&D, in which case, welcome)"
[i-am-an-idiot]|10:40 Gunther says, "1) plug headset into phone"
[i-am-an-idiot]|10:40 Gunther says, "2) dial number on phone"
[cabal]|10:40 Iain says, "I could do if you're set up for somebody to drop in (who needs a rules refresher). Otherwise Tuesday seems best."
[i-am-an-idiot]|10:40 Gunther says, "3) listen to phone speaker and wonder why nothing's happening"
[cabal]|10:40 katre says, "well, find out when dyte has baseball and we'll schedule around"
[cabal]|10:40 Iain says, "OK, cool"
[old-farts]|10:41 Doug | Snow Crash was published 20 years ago.
[cabal]|10:41 Iain asks, "Could also do a google-lunch, no?"
[i-am-an-idiot]|10:41 Tale says, "Ton gibts kan"
[cabal]|10:41 katre says, "absolutely"
[cabal]|10:41 katre says, "we have several cafes you haven't seen yet, I think"
[cabal]|10:41 Iain says, "Though it's nice to escape the office sometimes."
[cabal]|10:41 Iain says, "Oh, really? There have only ever been two in NYC when I've visited."
[cabal]|10:41 Iain says, "In the main building, anyway."
[cabal]|10:42 katre says, "there are now four in this building and one hidden across the street that I can only find with sherpas and a guide dog"
[gop-sux]|10:43 olethros | http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-hamptons-fundraiser.php?ref=fpb
[lounge]|10:47 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[lounge]|10:47 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[gop-sux]|10:47 borowski | ?Romney has a Koch problem.?
[lounge]|10:48 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[lounge]|10:49 ghira goes home.
[lounge]|10:49 * ghira has disconnected.
[board-games]|10:55 Doug says, "Kingdom Builder wins Spiel des Jahres, Village wins Kennerspiel des Jahres"
[lounge]|10:56 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]|10:56 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|10:58 borowski says, "Hey JRR"
[stevejobs]|11:00 Steve says, "Well, I think my latest phone interview went OK.  I can never tell, since I get so damn nervous"
[stevejobs]|11:01 olethros says, "maybe it is better than what I suffer from, which is looking as if I don't give a damn"
[lounge]|11:05 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|11:05 * Tale has disconnected.
[stevejobs]|11:07 Steve says, "Waiting to hear back from people I know who sat in on the interview at the new company"
[lounge]|11:10 Iain leaps astride a mountain pony and gallops off bareback for reinforcements.
[lounge]|11:10 * Iain has disconnected.
[lounge]|11:14 borowski accidently crossed his own time stream.
[lounge]|11:14 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|11:15 borowski is now in glorious BLACK & WHITE!
[lounge]|11:15 jenrexrode says, "re-b"
[lounge]|11:15 borowski says, "re-me"
[cycling]|11:20 jenrexrode says, "I don't understand why my race isn't recording.  DVR pisses me off."
[lounge]|11:21 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|11:21 Jota greets.
[cycling]|11:21 jenrexrode says, "I guess I'll have to set an alarm to make sure it starts on time."
[lounge]|11:21 jenrexrode says, "hi J"
[old-farts]|11:24 Jota says, "Hmm. Somehow, Snow Crash being 20 years old doesn't make me feel old."
[old-farts]|11:24 Jota says, "I guess because I think of its publishing date as being relative to Neuromancer, rather than relative to my life. And I think of Neuromancer as being really old."
[old-farts]|11:24 Jota says, "(Because, seriously, three megabytes? That's gotta be from the 19th century.)"
[cycling]|11:25 jenrexrode deletes and creates a new series recording program.
[thedailywtf]|11:25 Jota | // Convert to negative number
[thedailywtf]|11:26 Jota | varInt := StrToInt('-' + IntToStr(varInt));
[thedailywtf]|11:26 Jota says, "I wonder what happens if you pass it something that's already negative."
[thedailywtf]|11:28 olethros says, "innnnteresting"
[thedailywtf]|11:28 olethros says, "there's no way this is not fake"
[lounge]|11:28 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[climate]|11:29 Allen | According to a new study, "savanna trees were essentially CO2-starved under pre-industrial CO2 concentrations, and that their growth really starts taking off at the CO2 concentrations we are currently experiencing."
[English]|11:30 Matthew says, "I HAVE A VITAL QUESTION"
[English]|11:30 Matthew says, "What is the subtle difference in meaning between 'enh' and 'meh.'"
[English]|11:30 Matthew asks, "?"
[stevejobs]|11:30 Steve says, "I didn't do a great job asking questions of the people interviewing me, I don't think"
[English]|11:31 Steve says, "To me, 'enh' is you're uninsterested, and 'meh' is you're disdainful"
[English]|11:31 Allen says, "oh maybe enh is uninterested but meh is disinterested!"
[English]|11:31 Jota says, "Enh does not expression an opinion. Meh expresses an explicit lack of opinion."
[English]|11:32 Jota says, "'Meh' is, thus, not dissimilar to 'Whatever.'"
[English]|11:32 Jota says, "Whereas 'enh' is more like a shrug."
[English]|11:32 borowski says, "Yeah, saying 'meh' takes a little bit more energy than the apathy of 'enh'"
[English]|11:33 Hjalfi says, "'Meh' is just the anglicisation of 'mu'."
[English]|11:33 Ryan says (to Hjalfi), "Ooh, I like it."
[English]|11:33 Hjalfi says, "'What is the sound of one hand clapping?' 'Mu.' vs 'Who'll win tonight's football match?' 'Meh.'"
[English]|11:33 Alex says (to Hjalfi), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that The sound of one hand clapping is a AdvSys game."
[climate]|11:33 Jota asks, "So reducing pollution levels would kill trees?"
[English]|11:34 Jota asks (of Hj), "Does 'meh' unask the question?"
[English]|11:34 Hjalfi says (to Jota), "Meh."
[photo]|11:35 jenrexrode says, "what is the original for this? http://jesuisinfirmiere.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/photo1.jpg "
[lounge]|11:35 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|11:35 * boucher has disconnected.
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:35 Jota asks, "Back in the typewriter days, did people compose on typewriters, or did they just use them to make their handwritten stuff legible?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:35 Jota says, "(I know at least some people did the latter, but I am wondering if the former was at all common.)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:35 Matthew says (to Jota), "The latter, I think."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:36 Matthew says, "It was pretty hard to think on a typewriter."
[lounge]|11:36 boucher is 83! Give him his sandwich!
[photo]|11:36 jenrexrode says, "a friend posted a photo with a different subject, and when I pasted it into google images, I got a whole bunch of similar images with the same spatter, but different subjects."
[climate]|11:36 borowski says, "It sounds like trees evolved in response to pollution."
[photo]|11:36 Jota asks, "Am I misreading this, or does the corpse appear to have boobs and a beard?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:36 boucher says, "There were people who composed straight to typewriter, but it required a knack"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:36 borowski says, "I also imagine that many people couldn't type very quickly."
[photo]|11:37 jenrexrode says, "i dunno, but the one my friend posted might have been a face of wolverine"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:38 maga says (to Jota), "I'd expect that it would have changed over time"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:38 Jota asks (of maga), "In favor of more direct composition as people became more comfortable with the device?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:38 boucher says, "It usually went:  Have an idea of what you want to write in general terms, think carefully before each line, type it carefully, then return and type further drafts or use a combination of whiteout and redos as necessary to prepare something that...well, might look ugly, but was fine for submission to an editor, and later, a typesetter."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:38 maga says, "(I'm reminded about the bit in Borges about the first guy to read books without saying the words out loud)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:40 Jota says, "I remember hearind something about that on QI, but have forgotten most of it aside from 'there was a guy who was the first to...'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:40 maga says, "it's some church father or other"
[electronics]|11:40 GDorn asks, "I have a 36v Li-Ion battery that originally had a 9.6ah capacity.  How do I figure out how much capacity it has now?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:40 maga says, "I think maybe St. Jerome was the guy who mentioned it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:40 boucher says, "I used a rather advanced typewriter that had a whiteout ribbon built in (as well as an alternate colored ribbon...fancy!), and therefore it was *sorta* easy to backspace and undo a typo."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:41 Jota says, "Google suggests St. Ambrose."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:41 Jota says (to boucher), "Interesting."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:41 maga asks (of Jota), "as the source, or the silent reader?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:42 boucher says, "Electric typewriters were also increasingly computerlike during a certain period, with the ability to do all sorts of cool things.  I still wouldn't mind having myself a Selectric"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:43 Jota says (to maga), "The latter."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:43 boucher says, "Except they required constant tuning to work properly, and the art of maintenance on them is dying."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:43 Jota | When [Ambrose] read, his eyes scanned the page and his heart sought out the meaning, but his voice was silent and his tongue was still. Anyone could approach him freely and guests were not commonly announced, so that often, when we came to visit him, we found him reading like this in silence, for he never read aloud.
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:44 maga asks, "who's the source?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:44 maga says, "ah, Augustine"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:44 Hjalfi says, "My father is trying to find a home for my mother's old portable typewriter which she used at university. It's a very nice piece of mechanical engineering."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:44 Jota says (to maga), "Yeah."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:45 Jota says, "I think I still own a portable typewriter."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:45 Jota says, "Just because I can't see any sufficiently good reason to get rid of it."
[electronics]|11:45 boucher says, "Discharge it."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:46 Jota says, "It belonged to my grandmother, and I think my mother and aunt used it while growing up, and I learned to type on it before I'd ever touched a computer."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:46 Hjalfi says, "I keep thinking that it would be useful for doing things like envelopes, but it is fundamentally a 50-yo typewriter with fuzzy type that's not really in a line. And it may be portable but it's still a thing to have to keep somewhere."
[electronics]|11:46 GDorn says, "I wonder if I have a big enough resistor to do that safely"
[electronics]|11:48 GDorn says, "I mean, I know the battery is capable of producing 20 amps, possibly a lot more"
[stevejobs]|11:48 Steve says, "OK, they want to do a face-to-face interview"
[stevejobs]|11:49 Steve says, "So that's good news"
[stevejobs]|11:49 Steve asks, "I have to call the HR guy back to schedule.  Is is OK to ask him what I should wear?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:49 boucher says, "Article here says there was a Selectric 'correctable ribbon' that laid down a special ink that a sticky tape ribbon could later be used to from the paper in the case of mistakes.  I vaguely remember that now.  I also remember that it was not favored for important documents, as other things could cause the letters to fall off the page, sort of like laser printer toner on a sealed piece of paper."
[stevejobs]|11:49 Steve asks, "Like, it's a relaxed workplace or whatever, but should I still wear my suit to interview?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:50 borowski says, "I have a portable Remington that works fairly well, but it doesn't have an exclamation mark for some reason."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:50 Jota asks, "'to from the paper'?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:50 Jota asks, "Should 'remove' or 'lift' have been after 'to'?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:50 boucher says, "Er, sorry 'to lift from'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:50 Ryan says (to Jota), "it fell off the screen"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:50 Jota says, "Heh."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:51 Jota asks (of borowski), "Does it have other symbols which can be combined to produce one?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:51 boucher says, "Yes.  Overtype a period and a 1, I believe."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:52 boucher says, "Or perhaps a period and a capital I"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:52 Jota says, "That seems pretty reasonable, given the additional space and expense of adding a special key just for that."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:52 boucher says, "Or lowercase l.  I forget."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:52 Jota says, "(And given how relatively uncommon the character is.)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:53 boucher says, "There were a number of skipped keys that you used other keys to produce."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:53 Jota says, "All the accented vowels, for instance."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:53 Jota asks, "Was there a dollar sign?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:53 boucher says, "Some early typewriters didn't even have number keys at all, IIRC"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:53 borowski says (to Jota), "Not that I know of."
[lounge]|11:53 Emily arrives.
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:53 borowski says, "Yeah, lowercase 'l' can be used for the number 1."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:53 Jota says (to boucher), "Huh. That doesn't seem like something you could make up for easily."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:53 boucher says, "And lowercase letters were a luxury at some point."
[stevejobs]|11:54 Steve says, "My friend on the inside says they thought I was long-winded, apparently"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:54 boucher says, "WHICH WOULD HAVE MADE NETIQUETTE HARD TO ENFORCE IF PEOPLE STILL DID THAT"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:54 Jota says, "I guess a semicolon might be adequately replaced with a colon and a comma."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:54 Jota says (to boucher), "I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN STOP IT IS A GOOD THING THAT IS NO LONGER THE CASE STOP ALSO PUNCTUATION IS NICE"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:55 Hjalfi says, "#belated You could get white ribbons for unprinting mistakes; the cheaper option was a sheet of white ink-backed plastic, and when you made a mistake, you backup up, wedged the sheet in front of the ribbon, and typed the letter."
[electronics]|11:55 GDorn asks, "I'm a bit rusty on ohm's law, but if I want to drain the battery in a reasonable time but keep the discharge below 20amps, I should, uh, connect a 2ohm resistor?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:55 borowski says, "Interestingly, while the typewriter lacks '!' it has a key for 1/2 and 1/4 symbols."
[stevejobs]|11:55 Steve says, "I told him that's only because I was nervous and fidgety, and if they hire me they can look forward to me shrinking into a corner with earbuds in and never speaking to anyone"
[electronics]|11:55 GDorn says, "that seems really low."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:56 maga says, "of JESUS GUYS CAN'T YOU KEEP IT DOWN A LITTLE MARK OF INTERROGATION"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:56 Hjalfi says, "My mother's has 1/8, 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, 3/4, but not 5/8 and 7/8."
[lounge]|11:56 Dave says, "morning"
[lounge]|11:56 Dave says, "I'm back"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:56 borowski says, "Ah, I figured it out!"
[travel]|11:56 Dave says, "4 days in northern Wisconsin on Chain of Lakes"
[travel]|11:56 Dave says, "Eagle River"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:57 borowski says, "If you hold down the space bar, you can type more than one key without moving forward. So, ! = ' + ."
[travel]|11:57 Dave says, "swimming, boating, canoeing, kayaking, and jetskiing"
[travel]|11:57 Dave says, "go karts"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:57 Hjalfi says, "My mother's typewriter had programmable tab stops. The logic was extremely neat."
[travel]|11:57 Dave says, "we all had a blast"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:57 Jota says (to borowski), "There you go."
[lounge]|11:57 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:57 Jota asks (of borowski), "Is there also a backspace key, if you forget the space?"
[dave's-drama]|11:57 Dave says, "so"
[dave's-drama]|11:57 Dave says, "Irene put money down on a house"
[dave's-drama]|11:58 Dave says, "apparently, she was pre-approved for an FHA loan"
[dave's-drama]|11:58 Dave says, "which is mildly shocking"
[dave's-drama]|11:58 Steve says, "I've got one of those.  It wasn't hard at all."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:58 borowski says (to Jota), "That works too."
[dave's-drama]|11:59 Dave says, "99% of her income is support from me"
[dave's-drama]|11:59 Steve says, "They've removed a lof of the roadblocks to getting them in the last ten years or so, and you barely have to put anything down, so long as you pay the MIP"
[dave's-drama]|11:59 Dave says, "I would think they'd have to check _me_ out and my credit is shot from the divorce"
[dave's-drama]|11:59 Dave says, "of course her credit is beautiful"
[dave's-drama]|12:00 Steve says, "Well there you go"
[dave's-drama]|12:00 Dave says, "as a stay at home mom, they never put her on the mortgage"
[dave's-drama]|12:00 Dave says, "still, seems kind of crazy"
[dave's-drama]|12:00 Dave says, "I'm still skeptical this will all pass underwriting"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:01 boucher says, "I wonder how many people are entirely unfamiliar with the idea of typewriter jams and just think qwerty was invented because people were too stupid in those days to know the alphabet."
[dave's-drama]|12:01 Dave says, "and she wants help with the down-payment"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:01 Jota says, "They probably don't think much about it."
[dave's-drama]|12:01 Dave says, "I'm only obligated to help with moving expenses"
[dave's-drama]|12:01 Dave says, "not buying a house"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:02 Jota asks, "How many people think about why there are letters on telephone keys?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:02 boucher says, "I know I didn't feel old until the day someone (who, admittedly, had apparently not seen many movies or TV shows featuring them, either) asked 'Oh, yeah, how did people use those phones with dials instead of buttons?'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:02 jenrexrode says, "they're more useful now than when I was little"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:03 Jota says (to boucher), "I think even seeing someone use one in a movie wouldn't necessarily make it obvious."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:03 Jota says, "Since the camera is unlikely to give you a clear closeup of the dial for the whole process."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:03 jenrexrode says, "dial m for murder"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:04 Steve says, "I remember trying to use a rotary phone when I was a little kid, with no one showing me how, and I didn't know how to do it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:04 Steve says, "I think I put my finger on the zero then dragged that circle to the number I wanted to dial"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:04 boucher says, "I guess I've seen a lot of movies from a period where phones were neat, because I actually do recall a number of older movies with...phone dialing scenes."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:05 jenrexrode says, "no one will be admitteed during the phone dialing scene"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:05 boucher says, "Yes, thrill as he dials 6.  Will he make it until he needs to dial 5?  Yes.  He succeeded!  Now, if only he can reach the 5 again...."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:05 boucher says, "I remember being vaguely pissed off at people with lots of upper-range digits in their number."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:05 boucher says, "Like they were doing it to spite me"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:06 boucher says, "Fine, I guess you don't want me calling you, Mr. 799-9800!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:06 Hjalfi says, "I used to be able to spoof pulse dialing by rapidly tapping the cradle switch."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:06 boucher says, "Yeah."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:07 Hjalfi says, "Low numbers were easier than large ones."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:07 Steve says, "I always wanted a phone where you just turned the little crank and then asked the operator to connect you.  That seemed fun."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:07 boucher says, "Except for dialing the operator, though, it was too hard."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:07 Jota says (to boucher), "'989-9000? You *bastard*!'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:07 Hjalfi says, "Trivia: the UK emergency number is 999, which takes ages to dial, because trees tapping the (uninsulated) phone lines would frequently dial spoof 1s and would frequently dial 111 by accident."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:07 boucher says, "I once read an article about what was supposedly the last crank telephone system in the US, about to be modernized, and how the residents were sad to see their system go"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:07 Steve says, "It always makes me think of Mary Poppins where the dad is like, "Hello, get me the police.  No I do *NOT* know the number!""
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:08 Jota says (to Hj), "Yeah, I've done that before. Unfortunately, many phones nowadays don't even have a cradle switch."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:08 boucher says, "They liked having a community operator and switchboard.  They liked being on a party line and being able to join conferences and hear what their neighbors were talking about.  But their area had grown too big, and they had to give it up."
[lounge]|12:08 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, pale violet this time of day.
[lounge]|12:08 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|12:08 ghira says, "meep"
[lounge]|12:09 jenrexrode hi hi
[anime]|12:10 Fang says, "#belated notably, Welcome to the NHK was based on the real life experiences of the creator"
[lounge]|12:10 jenrexrode says, "argh - must get ready for vet appt"
[anime]|12:10 Jota says, "Huh."
[anime]|12:10 Jota says, "Now I wish I could remember how it ended."
[anime]|12:10 boucher says, "I can believe that.  Tons of mangakas are recluses.  Heck, lots of artists period."
[anime]|12:11 Fang says (to Jota), "well"
[anime]|12:11 boucher says, "The manga and anime are actually different."
[anime]|12:12 boucher says, "But I never got through the manga."
[anime]|12:13 Fang says, "cneragf phg bss shaqvat, fb ur raqrq hc trggvat n wbo, nyfb erfhygnagyl qevsgvat njnl sebz gur srznyr znva punenpgre. Jub urefrys ragref vagb n qrcerffvba, pbapyhqvat fur jnfa'g arrqrq naq gung ure fhccbeg jnf npghnyyl jung jnf ergneqvat gur znva punenpgre'f cebterff vagb fbpvrgl. Fur nggrzcgf fhvpvqr, ohg vf fnirq ol uvz. Va gur raq gurl qrpvqr gb gnxr bar fgrc ng n gvzr naq ortva n eryngvbafuvc"
[anime]|12:14 Fang says, "that's the anime, anyway"
[anime]|12:14 Jota says (to Fang), "Huh, I'd forgotten most of that."
[stevejobs]|12:15 * borowski has joined the channel.
[electronics]|12:15 * borowski has joined the channel.
[anime]|12:15 boucher says, "The manga was even darker than the anime, and involved a lot of struggles with addiction"
[anime]|12:16 Jota says, "That could have made the appliances make more sense."
[anime]|12:17 boucher says, "Oh no, he was still crazy.  He started taking drugs at the introduction of his friend next door to *silence* the appliances."
[anime]|12:17 Fang says, "ha ha sigh"
[anime]|12:17 Fang says, "I can certain see him doing that, yes"
[anime]|12:17 Fang says, "*certainly"
[anime]|12:17 boucher says, "Yeah, well...self-medication is another common trait of people who are mentally ill and don't get help."
[anime]|12:18 boucher says, "I am reminded of another friend of mine in college."
[anime]|12:19 boucher says, "He seems to be doing alright, but he was a very strange person...homeschooled most of his life, had only certain limited interactions with very specific subsets of people"
[lounge]|12:19 inky's arrived just in time. A rogue cult has resurrected a necromancer named Azazael, who intends to enslave mankind through the five Gems of Zator, artifacts of great power.
[anime]|12:19 boucher says, "And suddenly he was in college, and amongst a whole culture of people"
[anime]|12:20 boucher says, "He still lived at home, though, and had all these quirks, blind spots, and a general lack of life experience."
[anime]|12:20 boucher says, "I made it my mission to introduce him to as much life as I could."
[anime]|12:20 boucher says, "Even though I was a pretty limited loser myself, I felt better knowing there was at least one duck odder than I"
[anime]|12:21 Fang says, "alas, you weren't a cute girl"
[stevejobs]|12:21 inky says, "#belated I've never done it myself because I always work at casual places but my understanding is it's totally fine to ask what you should wear, or what the dress code is"
[anime]|12:21 boucher says, "Also, he had very eclectic tastes, which I enjoyed.  He had a 'I've fallen into a bin at Goodwill' approach to fashion, and made up crazy ideas all the time"
[stevejobs]|12:22 Jota says, "I think I didn't have to ask at my current job, because during my interview, the boss told me that if I wore a tie to work I'd be fired."
[anime]|12:22 boucher says, "He was also a little hyperactive...I remember one time, we were walking back from the convenience store to my dorm, and he was feeling overexcited, and was doing mischievous things like trying locked doors on the off chance they'd be unlocked and explore."
[anime]|12:23 boucher says, "He wasn't really a thief...just full of some sort of restlessness."
[anime]|12:23 boucher says, "He eventually started trying to pull up parking meters."
[anime]|12:23 boucher says, "Which I sort of smirked at.  As if."
[anime]|12:24 boucher says, "Imagine my surprise when the second one he tried came cleanly out of the ground."
[anime]|12:24 boucher says, "He seemed surprised too."
[anime]|12:24 boucher says, "So surprised he looked around, hefted it over his shoulder, and sprinted off down the street and around the corner, while I tried to pretend I didn't know him."
[anime]|12:25 borowski says, ">GET PARKING METER. CHEESE IT."
[anime]|12:25 Hjalfi says, "When I was about 8 I made a substantial (for the time) amount of money by pressing the reject button on every parking meter I passed. A few always had coins jammed in the works."
[anime]|12:25 vimes says, "hee hee"
[anime]|12:25 boucher says, "There was very little money in it, but I imagine it cost the city a fair bit to replace, so it still was theft.  But amusing theft."
[anime]|12:25 boucher says, "He later used it as a kitchen timer."
[anime]|12:25 vimes says, "EGGS EXPIRED"
[gender]|12:25 Allen says, "one of the timeless questions of gender interactions:"
[gender]|12:25 Allen | http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/newspaper_asks_the_question_if_a_woman_needs_it_should_she_be_spank
[anime]|12:25 boucher says, "Heh"
[anime]|12:26 Hjalfi asks, "Clockwork, I assume?"
[anime]|12:26 boucher says, "Yeah."
[anime]|12:26 boucher says, "Anyhow, the reason I was reminded of him is that he later started living on his own...and his life to that point had completely failed to prepare him for the stresses of doing so."
[anime]|12:26 Fang asks, "so where did he end up?"
[anime]|12:26 boucher says, "And I think he was a little mentally unstable in the Welcome to the NHK way."
[anime]|12:26 boucher says, "Because he made clam chowder one time"
[anime]|12:27 boucher says, "And it got burnt"
[anime]|12:27 boucher says, "And so he tried to throw it out"
[anime]|12:27 boucher says, "But for some reason, he chose to pour it out in the shower."
[gender]|12:27 Allen says, "Frank from Brooklyn prefers a hair brush. Others differ"
[anime]|12:27 boucher says, "And it clogged the drain"
[anime]|12:27 K-Y says, "irta out the window for a second"
[gender]|12:28 Jota says, "William Davis' picture frightens me."
[anime]|12:28 boucher says, "And so now he had a clogged shower drain and couldn't get it unclogged and OH GOD, I'M A FAILURE, I can't even cook clam chowder right, and my landlord is going to come kill me, and nobody will ever trust me with seafood soup again, and...."
[stuck-in-head]|12:28 borowski says, ""Party Line" by the Kinks."
[anime]|12:28 boucher says, "So he calls me up in a hysterical fit, crying, and saying he's hallucinating horrible things, and can I come help him...."
[anime]|12:29 Fang asks, "does he have autism?"
[metafilter]|12:29 inky | 1) Big, round, colorful vegetables are starting to grow in my wife's garden. 2) She'll be gone for the next two weekends. 3) I've got a bag of 1000 googly eyes.
[anime]|12:29 boucher says, "It's a possibility, very very midly."
[anime]|12:29 boucher says, "mildly*"
[anime]|12:30 boucher says, "I think it's mostly just that his upbringing was weird, so he was weird."
[jobs]|12:30 K-Y says, "warning at the bottom of drawer"
[anime]|12:30 borowski says, "I'd imagine that a great lack of social experience could appear to be autism."
[anime]|12:30 borowski says, "In terms of the social aspect of autism."
[metafilter]|12:31 vimes says, "ha ha"
[jobs]|12:31 K-Y says, "'heavy duty file designed exclusively to hold hanging file folders'"
[jobs]|12:31 K-Y says, "'not warranted for the storage of other items'"
[jobs]|12:31 (from borowski) K-Y says, "So I guess I should stop brewing beer in it."
[anime]|12:32 boucher says, "I had dinner at his house, and his parents were too refined and highly educated for words.  They each had a carefully measured half-glass of fine wine with dinner, were friendly, but the sort of people who do 64-character jumbles in their head during dinner for fun.  They had, in addition to my friend, one other biological son and two adopted children from other countries.  They kept their pasta alphabetically organized, and every object in the house was labelled with a label maker in 5 languages."
[jobs]|12:32 Jota asks, "I.e., the bars on the sides are strong, but the bottom of the drawer is probably made of cardboard?"
[lounge]|12:33 Gunther's voice is husky, like dark melted chocolate fudge caramel... or something.
[anime]|12:33 boucher says, "I felt as alien in their world as I imagine my friend felt in mine."
[anime]|12:33 K-Y says, "did thy also ask you for an anagram for Jeremy Irons"
[anime]|12:33 boucher says (to K-Y), "It was totally that."
[anime]|12:33 boucher says, "When I saw that episode, I almost fell out of my chair from it hitting so close to home."
[metafilter]|12:33 katre says, "hee hee hee"
[cars]|12:33 Allen says, "oh hell yeah. This Hummer owner knows how to outfit a Hummer: http://i.imgur.com/zb0Dh.jpg "
[jobs]|12:34 K-Y says, "sounds about right"
[anime]|12:34 Fang asks, "?"
[anime]|12:35 boucher says, "#simpsons In an episode, Lisa goes to a gifted girl's home and finds out she's outclassed in almost every way.  They treat her with patronizing pity."
[blogenfreude]|12:35 katre says, "this is probbaly just a thinko by the submitter but I prefer to instead think it's the submitter that is a moron"
[anime]|12:35 Fang says, "huh"
[anime]|12:36 Fang says, "that seems inconsistent"
[blogenfreude]|12:36 Gunther says, "hmm="
[blogenfreude]|12:36 Gunther asks, "?"
[blogenfreude]|12:36 katre says, "the account number switch in the laptop check one"
[anime]|12:36 boucher asks, "Howso?"
[anime]|12:36 borowski asks, "That episode made me feel insecure as a kid. People can anagram quickly in their head? Why can't I do that?"
[blogenfreude]|12:36 Gunther asks, ""one" as in which site?"
[anime]|12:36 K-Y says, "now I'm amazed all over again at how socially observant that show used to be"
[anime]|12:36 Fang says, "I mean, with her other characterisation as, well, hobnobbing with Stephen Hawking and also future president"
[blogenfreude]|12:36 katre says, "notalwaysright"
[blogenfreude]|12:37 katre says, "sorry"
[blogenfreude]|12:37 Gunther says, "oh, onehundredpercentfake.com"
[blogenfreude]|12:37 katre says, "right, but today it is onehundredpercentfakeandIlooklikeamoron.com"
[anime]|12:37 boucher asks, "Enh, there was also that recent episode in which that documentarian played by...was it Eric Idle?"
[anime]|12:37 K-Y says, "the show used to actually have some subtlety"
[lounge]|12:38 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[anime]|12:38 boucher says, "He snootily calls her a dilettante and she feels awkward about not having found a focus in life."
[lounge]|12:38 Ellison says, "hey all"
[anime]|12:38 borowski says, "Yeah."
[lounge]|12:38 borowski says, "Hey Ellison"
[anime]|12:38 K-Y says, "characters were not totally hyperbolic yet at this point"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:38 Ellison says, "Johnny stopped by last night. he has had internet troubles."
[blogenfreude]|12:38 Gunther says, "I can't even find it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:39 borowski says, "Ah. Good to know."
[blogenfreude]|12:39 Gunther says, "I guess the moron is me"
[blogenfreude]|12:39 katre says, "sorry, I am, in fact, the moron, I had the wrong site"
[blogenfreude]|12:39 katre | http://notalwaysworking.com/any-mention-of-attention-may-lead-to-dissension/25609
[anime]|12:40 boucher says, "Hmm, that was 2003"
[anime]|12:40 boucher says, "I guess that shows the dilation of what I consider 'recent'"
[anime]|12:40 boucher says, "Shut up, the 90's were just yesterday, dammit."
[anime]|12:41 ghira says, "i still think of Pyramids as a "new" discworld book."
[anime]|12:41 ghira says, "and I guess Sourcery"
[anime]|12:41 zarf says, "heh heh"
[anime]|12:41 boucher says, "Soon I'll be an old man wondering why you can't find a decent buggy whip anymore,"
[blogenfreude]|12:41 Gunther says, "ha ha"
[anime]|12:42 Fang asks, "what's a buggy whip?"
[anime]|12:42 boucher says, "'What do you mean, you don't carry Apple II 80-column cards anymore?!  You're a computer store, aintcha?', I'll squawk as I poke my cane at them."
[anime]|12:42 ghira says (to boucher), "you've seen the "not the nine o'clock news" 'gramophone' sketch, I assume."
[anime]|12:43 boucher says, "I have vague memories, but it doesn't immediately come to mind."
[anime]|12:43 Jota asks (of boucher), "But I have all these old files! What if I need them? How am i supposed to get to them without a 3.5" floppy drive?!?"
[kitties]|12:43 jenrexrode says, "yay, Dexter was casually hanging out in the cat carrier"
[anime]|12:43 Jota says (to Fang), "It's like a fly swatter. You use it for whipping bugs."
[kitties]|12:43 jenrexrode says, "so I casually closed the door"
[anime]|12:43 ghira says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSINO6MKtco "
[anime]|12:43 ghira says, "is the first link I find"
[anime]|12:44 borowski says, "Wow, I've never seen Rowan Atkinson that young."
[anime]|12:45 boucher says, "(#tangent Actually, a recent discovery shocked me...there are now virtual floppy drives.  Mind you, you must have already preserved the data in some form...but for devices, not just computers but also synthesizers and such, that need a floppy to operate, there are now devices that transform a USB flash drive into one or more virtual floppies.)"
[anime]|12:45 ghira says (to boro), ""not the nine o clock news" was very big in the 80s"
[anime]|12:45 boucher says, "I want to know where these were 5 years ago when I desperately wanted to kick the floppy, but still had a theoretical need to use one to install Windows."
[blogenfreude]|12:46 Ellison says, "they need to do another site that compiles stories where you side against the person who's technically right because they seethe with condescension"
[blogenfreude]|12:46 inky says, "ha ha"
[blogenfreude]|12:46 inky says, "notalwayspolite.com"
[blogenfreude]|12:46 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[blogenfreude]|12:47 Gunther asks, "what kind of a dumbass response to getting a check is asking about it, anyway?"
[blogenfreude]|12:47 Gunther says, "like, what could possibly be the scam here"
[blogenfreude]|12:48 inky says, "supposedly sometimes there are scams around this in the US because it's so easy to automatically withdraw from someone else's account"
[craft]|12:48 zarf says, "re yesterday: http://eblong.com/zarf/plotex/regtest.html "
[anime]|12:48 boucher says, "Heh, finished now.  Yeah.  Of course, it seems quaint now.  I could have some fun with them."
[blogenfreude]|12:49 inky says, "also this: | See if there is any fine print on the check that may say, depositing this check automatically signs you up for a trail blah, blah, blah. Sometime checks "look" like basic checks but in essence are a check (where the 10 bucks would be deposited into your bank) AND a "order form" that by the mere the act of depositing/cashing it may sign you up for service or item (ie. magazine subscription)."
[anime]|12:49 boucher says, "Actually, I wouldn't, because music today is so simple, I'd run out of things to ask him if he wanted after the first question"
[blogenfreude]|12:49 Jota says, "It could also be a fake check from a third party."
[anime]|12:49 boucher says, "'You want something that plays music?'  'Yes.'  'Okay, here you go then.  BTW, you're old.  Ha.'"
[blogenfreude]|12:50 Gunther says, "but ... you cash a check"
[anime]|12:50 boucher says, "Also, and moving this to #music, since I've abused this channel too much..."
[blogenfreude]|12:50 Jota says (to Gunther), "They could then call him up a few days later, saying they made a mistake and sent too much, and he has to return $X of it within one week or they'll have his accounts frozen and sue him."
[blogenfreude]|12:50 inky says, "here you usually deposit the check, then take the money out via an ATM"
[music]|12:51 boucher says, "(From #anime) We now have an early Victrola."
[anime]|12:51 ghira asks, "if you have "some old 78s" what do you do in 2012?"
[music]|12:51 boucher says, "Just sitting in the corner of the dining room"
[blogenfreude]|12:51 Jota says, "And give him some frightening spiel about what will happen if he refuses to return their money."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:51 marc says, "went to munch exhibition at the tate on saturday"
[anime]|12:51 ghira says, "our record player at home had 16/32/45/78"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:51 marc says, "well worth it"
[anime]|12:51 ghira says, "I've never seen a 16"
[music]|12:51 boucher says, "There are some cool things about having one's grandmother move in."
[blogenfreude]|12:51 Gunther says, "note to self: continue to never, ever use a check, ever."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:51 marc says, "and apparently it's well worth getting the audio guide"
[blogenfreude]|12:52 inky says, "(you can cash checks, but in my experience they give you a little more hassle about it)"
[anime]|12:52 ghira says, "I've seen 78s but they were already pretty antique when i did"
[blogenfreude]|12:52 Jota says, "There are a lot of scams that involve giving someone a counterfeit check and then asking them to return part of the money."
[anime]|12:52 boucher says, "The one we somehow found for my mother plays 78s"
[anime]|12:52 ghira says, "oh and I mean 33 not 32 of course"
[anime]|12:53 boucher says, "33 1/3, IIRC"
[anime]|12:53 ghira says, "ah yes"
[blogenfreude]|12:53 Jota says, "Because a good counterfeit check won't be caught for several weeks, at which point you've already 'returned' part of the money, and you're on the hook for the whole amount that was deposited into your account."
[anime]|12:53 ghira says, "could well be"
[blogenfreude]|12:53 Gunther says, "ok, I stand corrected, let me rephrase my initial question"
[blogenfreude]|12:53 Gunther says, "why would anyone continue to use checks."
[blogenfreude]|12:53 ghira says, "i've used a cheque to pay a handyman this year"
[anime]|12:54 boucher says, "16 was generally reserved for talking records and such."
[blogenfreude]|12:54 inky says, "the US doesn't have a good general way to transfer money between individuals"
[blogenfreude]|12:54 ghira says, "and I'll probably use another one to pay for http://www.mathsjam.com in november"
[blogenfreude]|12:54 inky says, "(besides cash)"
[anime]|12:54 boucher says, "Too low-fi for music"
[blogenfreude]|12:54 Gunther asks, "no bank transfers?"
[blogenfreude]|12:54 inky says, "fees associated with doing it a lot of the time, and I don'"
[blogenfreude]|12:54 ghira says, "of course many handypeople would prefer cash to cheques or bank transfers"
[blogenfreude]|12:54 inky says, "er, I don't think they're low-hassle for a single (non-recurring) payment"
[anime]|12:54 boucher says, "Too many 78's are made of lacquer"
[blogenfreude]|12:54 Gunther says, "man"
[anime]|12:55 boucher says, "And thus are almost extinct due to breakage"
[anime]|12:55 boucher says, "They were very brittle"
[blogenfreude]|12:55 Gunther says, "even my flatmate just pays me anything >10 EUR via bank transfer"
[anime]|12:55 boucher says, "When vinyl came along, it was a miracle"
[anime]|12:55 boucher asks, "Music that doesn't shatter if dropped accidentally?"
[blogenfreude]|12:55 ghira says, "we had to pay the deposit on our house via cashier's cheque"
[blogenfreude]|12:55 ghira says, "but that's a bit of a special case"
[blogenfreude]|12:56 ghira says, "I think paying a new person for the first time by bank transfer has become a hassle as some sort of anti-fraud thing"
[blogenfreude]|12:56 Gunther says, "after reading more from this site, please just rename it noteveredited.com"
[blogenfreude]|12:56 ghira says, "(via my bank's web site)"
[blogenfreude]|12:56 Jota says, "Even with my mortgage, if I want to make an additional principal payment, I have to use a check."
[blogenfreude]|12:56 Jota says, "Which seriously sucks."
[physics]|12:57 Allen | Martin Archer, a physicist at Imperial College in London, explains it differently: He compares the phenomenon to Justin Bieber in a crowd of teenage girls. If he tries to move through them, they slow him down, and his speed decreases the more they're attracted to him. "We think we have found these teenage girls," he told CNN Wednesday.
[blogenfreude]|12:57 Gunther asks, "is there something banks stand to gain from checks?"
[physics]|12:57 Allen | Similarly, if the universe is like a party, people who are relatively unknown will pass through the room quickly, while more popular people are slowed down by their friends, who correspond to Higgs bosons.
[blogenfreude]|12:57 Jota says, "(I guess it could be intentional, to prevent people from paying off their debts early.)"
[blogenfreude]|12:57 ghira says, "so if someone manages to log in as me they can fraudulently give money to AB and some credit cards in my name if they like"
[blogenfreude]|12:57 Jota asks (of Gunther), "The ability to continue using existing infrastructure?"
[blogenfreude]|12:57 Gunther says (to ghira), "when I run a transfer I get an SMS with a code I have to enter"
[blogenfreude]|12:58 Gunther asks (of Jota), "no, I mean, do they """take a long time to process""", ie the bank invests your money while it disappears for 3 days?"
[blogenfreude]|12:58 ghira says, "I think banks tried to stop cheques here recentyish but they may have delayed/cancelled the plan"
[blogenfreude]|12:58 Jota says (to Gunther), "Hmm, I dunno."
[blogenfreude]|12:58 Gunther says, "like it used to be with bank-to-bank transfers in the EU before the commissioner said "ok, you fuckers, this ends now""
[blogenfreude]|12:58 Jota says, "Bank-to-bank transfers are weird."
[physics]|12:58 inky says, "and yet you are saying that physicists came up with a metaphor involving molasses rather than pop singers or being at a party"
[blogenfreude]|12:59 ghira says, "transfers from one EU country to another cost something don't they? i've not done it recently"
[blogenfreude]|12:59 Gunther says, "they're free under EUR 20,000 and if not a rush transfer"
[blogenfreude]|12:59 Jota says, "I have had transfers where the receiving bank has confirmed that the money is available for me to use before the sending bank has acknowledged the money leaving my account."
[blogenfreude]|12:59 Gunther says, "plus they must be finished within 24 hours"
[blogenfreude]|12:59 Jota says, "(I mean they're weird in terms of timing.)"
[blogenfreude]|12:59 Gunther says, "but before that, if I (say) sent money to my mother, who has a different bank code at the same bank,  it took 3 days"
[blogenfreude]|13:00 Gunther says, "which I can only take as someone counted out the money, gave it to a courier who walked the 50 kilometers from Linz to my parents' bank, then paid the money in there."
[physics]|13:00 Allen says, "also:"
[physics]|13:00 Allen | "If I were a betting man, I would bet that it is the Higgs. But we can't say that definitely yet. It is very much a smoking duck that walks and quacks like the Higgs. But we now have to open it up and look inside before we can say that it is indeed the Higgs."
[blogenfreude]|13:00 Gunther says, "(in reality they just held it for 3 days and speculated with it)"
[blogenfreude]|13:00 Jota says, "Also, in terms of banks sitting on your money, I know that when I send money from my local checking account to my ING savings account, ING receives the money promptly but won't let me touch it for a few days, by policy. Which I assume is because they want interest."
[blogenfreude]|13:01 Gunther says, "that is true here, too"
[physics]|13:01 inky says, "awesome"
[blogenfreude]|13:01 Jota says, "But it doesn't bother me, because I'm not going to put money in a savings account if I need immediate access to it."
[blogenfreude]|13:01 Gunther says, "they say it's so you can't use it otherwise until it's confirmed it won't bounce"
[blogenfreude]|13:01 Gunther says, "which, yes, makes no sense"
[DustWorld]|13:01 DavidW says, "eep. The monitor on my new notebook is blinking pixel-high rows on and off."
[DustWorld]|13:03 DavidW says, "It's impossible to see on white background windows, but geez, I hope this is just a temporary glitch."
[DustWorld]|13:04 Gunther says, "it sounds like a driver hiccup"
[DustWorld]|13:05 Gunther says, "like, sometimes playing a video and the player crashing will do that for me"
[DustWorld]|13:06 DavidW says, "hm. I didn't think I was doing anything too strenuous at the moment, but maybe."
[lounge]|13:06 olethros was sworn in by robed priests on Thursday morning.
[DustWorld]|13:07 Gunther says, "it's random as fouque"
[lounge]|13:07 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 2715 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Monday,  9 Jul 2012, 01:07:24 PM EDT
There is one new message on #misc/places/greece.
Rob says, "blenf"
Gunther says, "speaking of friedrich de la motte, it's rob"
[webtv] Gunther asks, "where's Matthew?"
[webtv] Gunther says, "we have Ass-Cension Part II"
[kids] Ryan says, "Aie, Sarah says Sophie dropped an unopened glass quart jar of juice on the kitchen (tile) floor, and it shattered and juice and glass went everywhere."
[kids] inky says, "oops"
[board-games] Doug says (to Gunther), "did you see?  Kingdom Builder won the SdJ"
[board-games] Gunther says, "I did see"
[kids] katre says, "eep"
[board-games] Gunther says, "I played it once, and another player swore not to play it ever again"
[board-games] Doug asks, "how come?"
[board-games] Gunther says, "Whizzard's less generous reaction is over on #whiz-games"
[board-games] Doug says, "I like it"
[board-games] Doug says, "haven't played Village"
[board-games] Gunther says, "he couldn't do anything at all the entire game, basically"
[board-games] Doug says, "I guess Tasty Minstrel will get a windfall, because they import Village"
[board-games] Gunther says, "due to bad initial placement"
[board-games] Doug says, "weird"
[board-games] Doug asks, "so he was touching all five landscape types or something?"
[board-games] Gunther says, "all cries of "well, now you know and next time..." were blocked off"
[board-games] Doug says, "I feel like it wouldn't take long to fill things up so you could play somewhere else"
[board-games] Gunther says, "I haven't played it since. Also, it was and is ludicrously overpriced"
[DustWorld] borowski says, "Hopefully it's not dead pixels, but I'd think it's new enought to still be under warranty."
[board-games] Doug says, "but maybe the special powers would be taken by then"
(Current channel set to #web/blogenfreude)
[board-games] Gunther says, "that and he was all but fenced in by other players"
[board-games] Gunther says, "also, seriously, not paying EUR 45 for this."
[blogenfreude] Rob says, "I went to my credit union this weekend and the clerk helping me with something or other was astonished that I was still using checks"
[blogenfreude] Rob says, "specifically because I looked too young to be using any such things"
[blogenfreude] inky says, "ha ha"
[blogenfreude] inky asks, "did you tell them checks are retro-hip now?"
[blogenfreude] Gunther says, "he was all "lol 0ldb" (the opposite of n00b) and you whacked him with your cane"
[blogenfreude] Rob says, "he"
[blogenfreude] Rob says, "er"
[blogenfreude] Rob says, "heh"
[blogenfreude] Rob says, "also it was a she"
[blogenfreude] Gunther says, "a cane you need because of your retro hip"
</olethros> Turns out you can polish a turd.
<olethros> Tetris may hold the key to stopping cannibalism.
[blogenfreude] Rob says, "I said I still pay bills with them, and she wondered why I wasn't using electronic payments"
[hardware] olethros says, "hmmm"
[board-games] Doug says, "hm, when I've played, people were generally spaced pretty far apart.  Maybe you had a weird board configuration"
[hardware] olethros says, "seems like my frozen machine is well and truly and fuxxored"
borowski accidently crossed his own time stream.
borowski has disconnected.
[board-games] Doug says, "maybe it'll be cheaper post-SdJ"
[blogenfreude] Rob says, "I gave a hand wavy half truthy answer about how I like to actually know what's being paid and when by doing it by hand"
[board-games] Gunther says, "that, plus it was at Essen with no explainer"
borowski is now in glorious BLACK & WHITE!
[comics] Matthew says, "Bwahahahaha:"
[hardware] olethros says, "it is unreachable by ping and ssh"
[board-games] Gunther says, "but also I haven't felt the wish to play it again"
[comics] Matthew | Frustrated fans of the Superman comic book said Monday the continued financial stability and cultural relevance of the series' Daily Planet newspaper is now the most unrealistic part of its universe and an annoying distraction that has ruined their reading experience.
[board-games] Doug says, "kind of crazy that his first two games won SdJs"
[webtv] Gunther says (to Matthew), "!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!! !! ! ! !"
[webtv] Matthew exclaims (at Gunther), "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
[comics] Rob says, "I have some 70s superman comics where he was a local tv news anchor instead of a newspaper guy"
[comics] Rob says, "I guess they dropped that some time after"
[hardware] olethros says, "I do not know how to properly isolate the root cause of failures"
[comics] K-Y says, "in the comics they've made murmurings about having to go digital"
[comics] K-Y says, "I'm sure that would explain how they solved all their problems"
[jobs] olethros says, "in other news, the aberdeen people asked me for my phone number"
[jobs] olethros shivers.
[comics] Rob says, "there was one weird one where somehow the world was hypnotized into not being able to see that he was superman"
[DrawSomething] Jota says (to Rob), "Oh, hey."
[jobs] olethros says, "meanwhile, K has accepted the post of professor and master program director at a local college"
[DrawSomething] Jota says, "Recently (like, a week or two ago?), you commented on one of my drawings."
[comics] K-Y says, "oh, just like Spider-Man then"
[comics] Rob says, "so he ripped open his jacket and shirt on live tv to show his costume, but what the viewers saw was cotton underwear underneath"
[DrawSomething] Jota says, "With a cryptic three or four letter thing that looked like an acronym."
[DrawSomething] Jota asks, "Do you remember this, what it might have been, or what it could have meant?"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "oh uh remind me and maybe I'll remember"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "oh you don't remember hmm"
[jobs] olethros says, "so, well, had K not had this post, I'd just say yes to aberdeen."
[jobs] olethros says, "ARRrrr"
[comics] Fang says, "these days superman would be a blogger"
[DrawSomething] Jota says, "(I'd meant to ask you about it at the time, but I forgot until like yesterday, at which point I'd lost all the details from my brain.)"
[jobs] olethros says, "in-de-cision"
[jobs] Rob asks, "aberdeen?"
[DrawSomething] Jota says, "I think it might have started with a 'w'."
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "dang hrm"
[jobs] olethros says, "the more time I spent as a non-tenured researcher, the fewer my chances of getting a tenured post in the future"
[jobs] olethros says, "*spend"
[comics] vimes says, "guest editor for gawker.com or something"
[jobs] olethros says (to Rob), "one of the good unis in scotland"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "yeah it's hard to recall, partly because I haven't been drawsomething-ing as much lately, and partly because when I do I go through a big batch all at once, and it all blends together"
[hardware] olethros says, "ok, let's try ubuntu recovery mode"
[comics] vimes says, "or, i suppose the daily planet is reasonably respectable, maybe for boingboing"
[webtv] Matthew says (to Gunther), "Oh, by the way, I finished watching the Spider-Man video.  It did get better."
[jobs] Rob says, "is it your goal to work in every city in every country in europe by the time you're 40 or something"
[comics] DavidW says, "The thing is, Clark Kent works at a newspaper partly to hear about disasters as early as possible."
[jobs] olethros says, "no :("
[jobs] olethros says, "my goal is to get a proper tenured post"
[weblogs] Doug says, "thank you Know Your Meme.  Had to lookup something from Adam's latest post"
[comics] Fang asks, "sooo, Failblog?"
[comics] K-Y says, "but he has superhearing already"
[jobs] olethros says, "I had to move due to the impossibility of staying beyond a certain time in my previous posts"
[comics] DavidW says (to K-Y), "That helps for crises in Metropolis, but not much further."
[jobs] olethros says, "see, if you are a postdoc, your funding is linked to projects, which run out"
[jobs] olethros says, "so you are already looking for a job as soon as you get a new one;"
[comics] inky says, "I think that depends on the writer"
[jobs] olethros says, "now I got a two-year grant, which is half-way through"
[comics] inky says, "like sometimes he can go out into space and super-listen"
[comics] Rob says, "great scott, someone's in trouble on saturn"
[comics] Rob says, "whooosh"
[jobs] ghira says, "well if aberdeen is a proper job maybe you should say yes and work on getting a new proper job using that as a baseline"
[comics] Jota says (to inky), "Oh, *super*-listen. Well in that case, that's alright then."
[jobs] olethros says, "yeah, the only problem of course is that K will be here, and I'll be stuck in Aberdeen"
[jobs] ghira asks, "what are you chances of getting a proper job in K's city in time?"
[kitties] Allen says, "the 7 kitties are bigger and are wrestling now! http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/sevenkittens "
[jobs] olethros says, "well, s/city/country/"
[weblogs] Rob | since I can't really relate to people who pair up without at least a few months of getting to know each other online first,
[jobs] olethros says, "getting a job in Geneva is impossible, unless I go work for a bank"
[comics] K-Y says, "I think nowadays he can just hear everything"
[weblogs] Rob says, "hmm Adam considers true romance to have an online component"
[weblogs] Rob says, "I can assume he doesn't use a checkbook any more"
[kitties] Allen says, "shaky butt shaky butt POUNCE"
[weblogs] Rob says, "he doesn't even seem to have a regular mailing address"
[comics] K-Y says, "at least all the Superman pastiches are exploring the problem of 'man, what if you could hear everything'"
[comics] K-Y says, "'you'd probably go crazy'"
[weblogs] ghira says, "maybe he considers ever having met someone you date to be passe'"
[weblogs] olethros says, "e-mail me, web-muse, of the exploits of famed hacker Archidichtes..."
[comics] Rob says, "good thing he has super-sanity"
[webtv] Matthew says, "This video is enraging me."
[jobs] ghira says, "I knew a couple where he lived in Cambridge and she lived in Pisa"
[weblogs] Rob says, "I just think he spends a lot of time text chatting"
[webtv] Matthew says, "I'VE SPENT MORE THAN A DECADE TRYING TO FORGET THIS DAMN GAME"
[weblogs] Rob says, "or maybe webcamming, dunno"
[jobs] olethros says, "I know academic couples who live in different continents"
[comics] DavidW says, "I think he has super-volume-control too."
[jobs] ghira says, "for many many years"
[weblogs] inky says, "well, he just can't relate to them, which isn't quite the same thing"
[jobs] inky says, "heh"
[jobs] ghira says, "but since they were both academics, they had plenty of time to see each other"
[jobs] olethros says, "i guess the relationship is 'academic'"
[jobs] olethros says, "I guess this also precludes having kids"
[jobs] ghira says, "and as inky will know there's the Montalbano/Livia thing"
[videogames] Allen says, "new levels of douchebaggery!"
[jobs] olethros says, "and Fang will come and visit me in aberdeen!"
[jobs] Rob says, "my aunt and uncle spent nearly their whole 40 or so year marriage with him living in guatemala and her living in the US"
[videogames] Allen | Man disagrees with woman, makes game about punching her.
[comics] K-Y says, "there was a story about a Superman-esque guy who, one day, hops off to the moon so he can get ten minutes of quiet"
[comics] Fang asks, "does superman know any foreign languages?"
[comics] K-Y says, "and it turns out to be the worst ten minutes possible"
[jobs] inky says, "wow"
[comics] K-Y says (to Fang), "I assume he has superlinguistics"
[weblogs] Doug asks, "maybe he was being facetious?"
[jobs] olethros says, "We already spent 2-3 years apart and we prefer it the way it is, though"
[webtv] Gunther says, "ha ha"
[jobs] Rob says, "he was an architect but his license didn't transfer to the US, so he could either stay in guatemala and design big fancy things and work on great projects, or he could move to the US and have to start over as an apprentice"
[webtv] Gunther says, "he's using the metal song"
[comics] inky asks (of K-Y), "you mean, that's when the terrorists attack or whatever?"
[jobs] olethros asks (of Rob), "didn't his prior experience of big fancy thing design transfer to the US?"
[jobs] Rob says, "I dunno, this was always the explanation I heard"
[jobs] inky says, "I can believe it is a big hassle to get a license transferred"
[jobs] Rob says, "he did design things in the US, but his firm was down there"
[jobs] inky says, "it's basically like a tariff on imports"
[comics] K-Y says (to inky), "he finds an alien artifact with unknown qualities, and gives it to a scientist along with an emergency signal in case something goes wrong"
[jobs] Rob says, "he just died recently :/"
[jobs] Rob says, "I never got to meet him"
[comics] inky says, "ha ha"
[jobs] olethros says, "anyway, this sort of stuff has always been messy - and aw :("
[comics] Fang says, "this seems like a bad time to leave the planet"
[jobs] olethros asks, "did you ever enter any of his buildinjgs ?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "actually I'm a little annoyed with my mom but I couldn't complain about it when everyone was dealing with my uncle's death"
[comics] Fang says, "here, have this artifact of potential massive evil! I'll be ON THE MOON."
[robmumble] Rob says, "apparently five years ago or so he was coming to austin to work on something and wanted to visit, but because my mom didn't want any visitors, she just said no and he didn't come by"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but *I* would have liked to have met him, and I didn't even know this had happened"
[comics] K-Y says, "I think it was just some other day later"
[robmumble] Rob says, "especially since it would have been my only chance"
[comics] K-Y says, "but still"
[comics] inky says, "ha ha"
[robmumble] Rob says, "actually I guess I met him when I was an infant or a toddler, too young to recollect"
[robmumble] Rob says, "sigh"
[robmumble] olethros asks, "she didn't ask you if you wanted to see him?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "nope"
[robmumble] Rob says, "she revealed this information when we were talking after he died"
[robmumble] olethros says, "man, you could have just met for a coffee downtown or something - no need for a big fuss"
[robmumble] Rob says, "kind of in passing while talking about buildings he'd made, and oh btw there was one in austin"
</jenrexrode> has disconnected for an undetermined reason or duration.
<jenrexrode> jenrexrode has connected to ifMUD.
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah exactly !"
[webtv] Matthew says, "Seethe."
jenrexrode says, "re"
Rob says, "re"
[webtv] Gunther asks, "hmm?"
borowski accidently crossed his own time stream.
borowski has disconnected.
[robmumble] olethros says, "maybe there is a DARK SECRET somewhere"
[robmumble] Rob says, "would have liked the option"
jenrexrode says, "mobile"
[webtv] Matthew says, "I. Hated. This. Game. So. Much. And now. It's all. COMING. BACK."
[board-games] Doug says, "haha, Donald X missed the SdJ ceremony again"
[board-games] Gunther says, "well, he doesn't exist"
[robmumble] Rob says, "well there is the dark madness that keeps my mother a prisoner. I guess I prefer to hate that instead of be mad at her particularly"
[comics] K-Y says, "also, if you thought a newspaper was bad, this guy worked at a radio station"
[robmumble] olethros says, "ok this is the first I hear of the dark madness"
[webtv] Matthew says, "HATE."
[comics] K-Y says, "because every Superman pastiche must also have a pastiched job"
[webtv] Matthew says, "THE PIRATE KING SHOULDN'T HAVE THE FREAKING CODEX, WHAT THE HELL, THIS WAS THE WORST PART OF THE GAME"
[anime] Hjalfi says, "#belated Re Not The Nine O'Clock News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9lt_TvR1k "
[webtv] Matthew says, "HAAAAAAAATE"
[gmail] Ryan says, "Grrrrr."
Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
Ellison has disconnected.
[gmail] Ryan says, "My boss's given name is Edward, but he goes by Ted. He put Edward into his gmail profile, and now when I type in a gmail compose To: field, it autocompletes to Edward. Whenever he writes to me, the From: field says Ted. I can't find any way to make my gmail use Ted instead of Edward."
[gmail] Ryan says, "So instead I change it by hand every time I send him an email."
[kitties] jenrexrode says, "waiting at the vet. i think we're next."
[webtv] Gunther says, "aaaaaahahahahahaa the crabs"
[webtv] Gunther says, "oh dear god"
[webtv] Gunther says, "also that's not what a crab looks like"
[gmail] katre asks, "edit the contact info?"
[gmail] Jota says, "Perhaps you could convince gmail to compromise on 'Tedward'."
[gmail] Gunther says, "or just send it to Edward because omg who cares"
[gmail] Jota says, "Then you could say that you are just listing the direction that you want your emails for him to go."
[gmail] Jota says (to Gunther), "Tedward might care."
[gmail] Gunther says, "Teddy-Ted"
[kitties] jenrexrode says, "theres a dog here named Hatchetface"
[kitties] Jota asks, "Appropriately named?"
[kitties] jenrexrode says, "?black pug"
[kitties] jenrexrode says, "guess it depends what you think of pugs"
[gmail] Ryan says (to katre), "The contact info says "Ted". It has a "connected profile" that says Edward."
[gmail] Ryan says, "When I type, it autocompletes based on the connected profile, apparently, not my contact info."
[gmail] inky says, "just stop changing it"
[WWIII] Gunther | Americans Are as Likely to Be Killed by Their Own Furniture as by Terrorism
[WWIII] Gunther | Bee stings killed as many in UK as terrorists, says watchdog
[kitties] jenrexrode says, "owner has a Grandpa Munster tattooon her calf."
[WWIII] Gunther says, " http://goo.gl/VUlCj and http://goo.gl/dyG72 "
[iPhone] K-Y says, "two hours after sending an email, I am notified that it failed to send and has been placed in the outbox folder"
[WWIII] inky says, "Are Bees Muslim? FOX Special Report, next"
[iPhone] K-Y says, "there is no outbox folder"
[security] Jota says, "I wonder how many people were actually hit by that DNS redirection thing when the FBI turned off their servers."
[security] Gunther says, "given we've heard nothing, 0"
[security] Jota asks, "Would we hear about it, or would those people just silently cease to exist on the Internet?"
[security] inky says, "what I don't know is why they kept people's browsing experience normal"
[security] Gunther says, "I also like this helpful article"
[security] Gunther | It looks like most people fixed their DNS problems before the July 9 end of the FBI safety net, but if that didn?t happen, there?s help out there or you can do it yourself.
[security] Gunther says, "...except you can't read this."
[security] inky says, "like, wouldn't it have been better to make just every couple sites send you to the "hey, you've been hacked, go here to fix this" page"
[security] lpsmith asks, "Hi, Jota!  I'm sure not many were!  We are all fine here at the lpsmith household ha ha!  Did I mention I saw this great profile you should check out here at http://bit.ly/notascamreally ?"
[security] Gunther says (to inky), "Google did"
[security] inky says, "ah, nice"
[security] inky says, "hee hee"
[security] Jota says (to lps), "Yay."
[security] Gunther asks, "but who believes these anymore?"
[comics] vimes says (to lps), "ha ha yay"
[comics] vimes says, "ilac"
[security] vimes says (to lps), "ha ha yay"
[security] Gunther says, " http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-07-09/malware-deadline-passes-very-few-knocked-offline "
[security] Jota asks (of inky), "Yeah, it does seem like it would have made sense for the FBI to spend the last week redirecting everyone to a big obvious notice. On the other hand, perhaps the issue was so pervasive that they wouldn't be able to fix the problem without access to the servers they were cut off from?"
[security] Jota says, "('the servers' == 'the rest of the Internet', I mean.)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "oh is it? I guess I only mention it here and there"
[security] Gunther | DNS Changer Malware may have affected 47,000 Americans
[security] Gunther | The U.S. had as many as 47,054 users still infected over the weekend. That was followed by Italy in second place with 21,508 users, and India came in the third spot, with 19,991 infected users.
Hjalfi says, "Offtime."
Hjalfi enthusiastically mundanifies between spasms of personality-occultism and off-topic casual/social-leveraging.
</Hjalfi> Become immortal or die!
[security] Jota says, "And maybe some filthy foreigners, maybe not, but they presumably deserved it and don't count."
[robmumble] Rob says, "short summary is that, due to various phobias or something else you might call them, she hasn't left the house in a decade or so, including not going to my brother's wedding, in the most traumatic crisis it ever caused"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "me, too."
[robmumble] Rob says, "it stresses out my dad inordinately"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "meaning i did not know"
[robmumble] Rob says, "'hey, how come we never see your wife any more?'"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it stresses out my brother"
[webtv] Matthew says, "DAMN IT NO DON'T MAKE ME WAIT FOR PART THREE YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME ARRRRRRRRRRRRGH"
[robmumble] Rob says, "her sisters are getting on in years and starting to have serious health problems and don't know if they'll ever see her again"
[robmumble] lpsmith asks, "Nobody is doing anything to try to fix it, right?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "meanwhile the main stress on everyone is that she seems like she's just fine and should get over it and see people, and she refuses like a major league demon has a hold on her"
[robmumble] Rob says, "well, uh, she does something that she claims is fixing it, but after all these years one becomes skeptical"
[dogs] Jota says, "This is from a news article about benefits of pet ownership: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/05/25/childscaredofdog_244x183.jpg "
[robmumble] Rob says, "my dad is basically out of willpower in terms of fighting it and thinks it's idiotic for any of us to have any hope left, which is sad to hear him say"
[webtv] Gunther says, "...jaw drops..."
[webtv] Gunther says, "Avatar. Brothel."
[webtv] Gunther says, "Avatar."
[webtv] Gunther says, "Brothel."
[dogs] Jota says, "I am thinking that whoever chose it didn't care that it had little to do with the topic of the article and was just happy to have an excuse to use the picture."
[dogs] inky says, "wow"
[dogs] inky says, "I have no idea what is going on here"
[dogs] inky asks, "dog hypnosis?"
[webtv] Gunther says, "Pirate. King. Samhain."
[regexp] Fang asks, "is there a regexp for non-ASCII characters?"
[webtv] Gunther says, "Sam. Hain."
[robmumble] Rob says, "we've all tried talking as much sense with as much painful honesty as we can muster, but it's a hideous, exhausting, frustrating experience"
[webtv] Gunther says, "Pirate. Also brothel."
[regexp] inky says, "it depends on the flavor of your regexp language"
[robmumble] Emily says, "that does sound really rough"
[personals] Ryan | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4yhcyWyqW1rxt7jlo1_r2_500.jpg
[robmumble] olethros says, "I guess you can only take her out forcefully at this point"
[regexp] Gunther says, "^[:ascii:]"
[robmumble] Emily says, "(I mean, I've heard you talk about this before, but I'm sorry it's still ongoing)"
[robmumble] olethros asks, "does the phobia extend to having visitors?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "she'll dodge, she'll shift around, she'll say anything to evade, and if she gets backed into a logical corner, she'll lash out instead, using everything she knows about you to hit you in your most emotionally or psychically vulnerable spots"
[personals] inky says, "hooray"
[robmumble] Rob says (to olethros), "yeah"
[robmumble] Rob says, "the lone exception: my brother's wife"
[webtv] Jota asks, "Is this Avatar Brothel a brothel where the women are blue, a special service for the Ultima protagonist, or a new teledildonics application?"
[robmumble] lpsmith asks, "Can talk to her?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "which thank god for that at least"
[webtv] Gunther says, "the second thereof"
[robmumble] Rob says, "she can visit at christmas and stuff"
[regexp] inky says, "this says it's [^[:ascii:]] to negate a group"
[robmumble] jenrexrode asks, "the kids?"
[robmumble] Alex says (to jenrexrode), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that kids are a plague upon this earth!  Get them away from me!  Awwk."
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Oh."
[robmumble] olethros asks, "what happens if somebody comes uninvited?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it'd be so terribly hard on my brother if he had to, like, leave his wife at home to come visit, or something"
[regexp] Gunther says, "yeah"
[regexp] Gunther says, "I should've added those"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah and my brother's kids"
[regexp] inky says, "[^\x00-\x7F] also works in perl-style regexps"
[robmumble] Rob says, "well nobody comes uninvited"
[personals] Jota says, "Aw. I don't see anything wrong with this guy."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I feel like my mom's sisters should all just suddenly show up this thanksgiving, or something"
</olethros> Turns out you can polish a turd.
<olethros> Tetris may hold the key to stopping cannibalism.
[robmumble] Rob says, "at family gatherings we talk and talk and talk about this and nobody knows how to pry her out of this"
[robmumble] ghira asks, "she literally never goes out of the door? pick up newspaper, buy things in shops, anything?"
jenrexrode says, "i forgot how this client ignores  <>"
[robmumble] lpsmith says (to ghira), "Right."
[robmumble] Jota asks, "Does she say what it is that she's trying?"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "bodily hauling her outside is probably not a good plan"
[robmumble] olethros asks, "is it a classic agoraphobic then?"
[regexp] Fang asks, "well... what works with GNU grep?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it is a horrible thing to explain what it is she does"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Now I'm thinking 'sacrificing babies'."
[robmumble] ghira says, "I was thinking brown shoes with black socks"
[robmumble] Rob says, "also the root cause sounds really superficial and vain for something that has caused this much trauma"
[robmumble] Rob says, "she has a skin problem with her face, apparently"
[robmumble] Rob says, "she is sort of in a cruel way reaping what she has sown since she's always judged people on appearance, and now what she fears is people pointing and staring at her like she's a freak"
[sex] Matthew says, "So."
[sex] Matthew says, "I'm not sure why I'm talking about this, but I feel like I should, and I don't know who else to talk to other than you folks."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I can't tell that there is anything actually much wrong with her face, but she always has band-aids all over it"
[sex] Matthew says, "(Also, this might be more appropriate for #blokes, but whatever.)"
[sex] Fang asks, "is this #tmi ?"
[robmumble] olethros says, "oh golly"
[sex] Matthew says, "So I had dinner with a (male) friend of mine last night, the first time we'd seen each..."
[sex] Matthew asks (of Fang), "Uh, sort of.  Is that a problem?"
[robmumble] Emily says, "I forget if you said whether she's ever consulted a dermatologist"
[robmumble] Rob says, "because after deciding she could fix it herself, she seems to spend a lot of time in front of a mirror doing something to it"
[sex] Fang says, "then maybe it should be on that channel"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah well apparently the last one she went to a decade ago gave her something that she had a bad reaction to and whatever was going on became worse"
[sex] Allen says, "naw, sex is better. We're not allowed to quote from #tmi but we can quote from #sex"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and that's sort of where the trouble started"
[robmumble] Emily says, "(I mean, it seems like given the significant psychological component, a therapist would be good too, but -- aha)"
[sex] Fang says, "heh"
[sex] Matthew says, "I mean, it's not ultra-uber-TMI kind of stuff."
[robmumble] Rob says, "although it's incredibly complicated because I think she works through emotional pains in her life while she does whatever she does on her face, and it reminds me of those people who cut their arms and stuff"
[sex] Matthew says, "I'm going to stick with this channel, I think, for reasons that should become apparent soon."
[robmumble] Rob says, "but of course she despises and won't see any doctors or therapists or psychiatrists"
[robmumble] Emily says, "yrg"
[sex] Matthew says, "But if it proves inadequate to the task, I'll be happy to move the discussion elsewhere."
[robmumble] olethros asks, "I guess you guys have consulted some professionals to ask for advice?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and becomes enraged at the suggestion that there is a mental component, she insists there is a real problem with her skin and that's the end of it"
[sex] Matthew says, "So, anyway, as I was saying:  I had dinner with a (male) friend of mine last night, the first time we'd seen each other in basically a year."
[robmumble] olethros says, "so what? lots of people are ugly without having a skin condition, so ... wait that's not the right way to say that"
[stevejobs] Steve says, "I asked the other people I know who work there what I should wear for the interview"
[sex] Matthew says, "We've known each other for, uh, 11-something years now.  We're fairly close about some things, not so much about others, but there are some things we've never really talked about in depth."
[robmumble] Rob says, "there was this starbucks nearby that I went to briefly, and a guy working there had huge warts all over his face and arms and hands"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and I'm like, man, this guy is out there in the world"
[sex] Matthew says, "Anyway, for reasons that aren't relevant to this discussion (which means I'm not going to get into them, so don't bother asking), we started talking about sex and relationships and stuff, and the subject of his, uh, previous experience came up."
[sex] Matthew says, "He flat-out said that he can't count the number of women he's slept with."
[sex] Matthew says, "'Dozens' at least, was the way he described it."
[sex] olethros says, "oh and I thought you were coming out now"
[sex] vimes says, "i presume he can count above two, as well"
[sex] inky says, "this varies a lot from person to person"
[stevejobs] Steve says, "Played phone tag with the HR guy.  Going to let him call me back rather than reach out again, I think"
[sex] inky says, "some people are just better at math than others"
[sex] Fang says (to olethros), "haha"
[robmumble] Emily says, "yeah, and presumably when it comes to seeing family, they want to see her more than they care about any surface blemishes"
[robmumble] Rob says, "there are times when my mom herself screams with frustration that she's getting old and doesn't have a life and would like to be free of this"
[robmumble] Emily says, "aw man"
[sex] Allen asks, "ah, so the women he has slept with will not map to the set of innatural numbers?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and you just want to scream back well then get in the car and go"
[robmumble] Jota asks, "So she is trying to deal with the issue that her agoraphobia is a response to, but not with the agoraphobia itself?"
[sex] Matthew says, "Which kind of surprised me.  Because, I mean, I knew he'd been fairly experienced, just not THAT experienced.  I don't really know many/any people who've done that much.  Just about everyone I know is in the single digits."
[sex] Allen says, "s/inn/n/"
[sex] Matthew says, "It's not that it exactly bothers me, it's just one of those things that sort of made me think, 'Wow, I thought I knew you, but maybe I really don't.'"
[sex] vimes says (to matthew), "i direct you to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENnAa7rqtBM "
[sex] Jota says (to Matthew), "Some people are just weird."
[sex] Matthew asks (of vimes), "Is that worksafe?"
[sex] Fang says, "maybe he exaggerates"
[robmumble] Rob says, "addled shrug"
[sex] Matthew says (to Fang), "I honestly don't think so."
[sex] vimes says (to matthew), "visually, yes"
[sex] vimes says, "unless your work has something against animated bunnies"
[sex] inky says, "I don't know what his particular history is like, but if you've known him for a decade then you basically know him from his mid-20s onward"
[robmumble] Rob says, "sometimes I just want to smash all the mirrors in the house so she can't stare at herself in them"
[sex] Matthew says, "I mean, he also said at one point that he's not doing that anymore, and he's come to the conclusion that he much prefers sex within the bounds of a real relationship, but still.  It kind of shocked me then, and it still does now."
[people-suk] maga says, "once again Matthew stumbles upon a realisation that most people had in their teens"
Tale thinks Romans are brilliant. They beat everyone at wars AND had better helmets.
[sex] Matthew says (to inky), "Early 20s, technically (he's five years younger than I am), but yeah."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'm pretty sure whatever she sees in them goes through a weird filter in her brain"
[sex] Rob says, "apparently some people have lots of sex"
[sex] Jota says, "I guess I always just assumed that if you are an attractive person who is particularly skilled at picking people up, the only real limit to your number of partners was your own willingness to pursue them. But I have never been such a person, so."
[sex] inky says, "because I bet for a lot of people who have 'a slutty phase', it's in college + early twenties"
[sex] inky says, "hmm let me see"
[robmumble] vimes says, "hm, this is probably not helpful for her situation but i know someone with a similar-sounding issue under rather better (functional) control by getting an absolute ton of tattoos and piercings"
[sex] Matthew says, "Anyway, that's really all there is to the 'story.' I feel weird about the whole thing, but I'm not sure I really know why. It doesn't change anything between us. I guess I'm just sort of surprised/stunned that the number is THAT high, because I never hang out with people who, uh, get out that much."
[sex] Jota says, "And so, e.g., averaging one every few weeks for a few years would easily add up to dozens."
[robmumble] Rob says, "huh"
[sex] Fang asks, "I did talk about my brighton hostel story, did I?"
[sex] vimes says, "i know a guy who, roughly once every two months, goes out clubbing, meets some girl, they have a short-term (three to four week) fling, break up, never talk to one another again"
[sex] vimes says, "he's been doing that for as long as i've known him, probably about eight years, and probably longer"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I really wish she would just wake up one day and say 'you know what? screw this, I don't care what people think about how I look' because I really don't know any other solution"
[robmumble] Rob says, "also my feeling that her face would heal if she stopped fucking with it every day"
[robmumble] Jota says (to Rob), "Or even to take baby steps. 'I care, but it's only to the mailbox, and it's OK to look crappy when going to the mailbox.'"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but I started this by describing it as a demon having an evil grip on her"
[robmumble] Emily says, "yeah"
[robmumble] Rob says, "she sometimes manages to go to the mailbox, but she waits until 3 in the morning"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I guess we could hire an exorcist instead"
[sex] Matthew says, "I guess... hrm.  I mean, I suppose if I'm being completely honest, envy is sort of a part of it.  Because I do kind of think it's cool.  But at the same time, I also feel like, 'Wow, that's really not something I could ever imagine myself doing, as cool as it kind of sounds.'"
[sex] olethros says (to vimes), "I only picked up a girl once while clubbing, but I guess I was kinda clumsy at it until I reached 25 or so"
[robmumble] Emily says, "it definitely sounds at this point like a deeply entrenched mental/spiritual thing for her"
[sex] inky says, "hmm"
[sex] Allen says, "our dba that we let go was always making comments like "Man, I hated to come to work this morning. I had a naked girl in the bed" or "Me and my buddy met these two hot chickens who were all over us. Except they went to the bathroom just before they indicated they were going to go home and screw us, and 30 minutes later we discovered they stole our iphones" (those are both near exact quotes)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah it's .. man, it's complicated"
[sex] Jota says, "Yeah, it doesn't actually sound cool to me, to be honest."
[robmumble] Rob says, "and the saddest thing"
[sex] vimes says (to Allen), "ha ha"
[sex] Jota says, "But then, I don't *like* meeting new people, so."
[sex] olethros says, "ha ha ha all over us"
[sex] inky says, "I can't find the metafilter post but there was something from somebody who had a project to sleep with a bunch of people and was not that attractive or anything, and said basically if you go to a bar and be there when it closes, there will be someone who will sleep with you"
[sex] vimes says, "OH GOD THERE ARE CHICKENS ALL OVER ME"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Yeah, I assume that anything that might happen from here on out is going to have to be initiated externally.  Like, you and your dad going to therapy for it, or both leaving on vacation for a year, or something."
[sex] inky says, "ha ha"
[sex] Allen says, "oops, I meant chicks"
[programming] katre says, "we have a guice Module that handles determining what the current user is"
[sex] Allen says, "I don't know why I typed an extra 'ens'"
[sex] Matthew says (to Jota), "Well, that's the thing.  It doesn't exactly to me, either.  There's sort of a 'wow' factor to it, and because his number is SO insanely much higher than mine, I just sort of... I don't know, marvel at it.  But I'm not sure I actually wish I could have done the same."
[sex] vimes says, "i just assumed it was his slang"
[programming] katre says, "we also have a developer (not me) who compulsively abbreviates class names in emails and docs"
[sex] olethros asks, "if it's just yours, is it still slang?"
[programming] katre says, "this is a problem for the CurrentUserModule"
[robmumble] Jota says, "If they both go on vacation for a year, they might not be allowed to come back."
[programming] vimes says, "hee hee"
[robmumble] Rob says, "the other cruel irony here is that, over the past ten years of not being seen, my dad's colleagues and wives have turned into gray haired old men and ladies, and my mom now looks 20 years younger than all of them, and if she were to walk into a room with them their mouths would gape open at how great she looks"
[robmumble] Rob says, "assuming she weren't wearing band-aids all over her face"
[robmumble] Rob says, "nothing is as ugly as those things"
[sex] inky says (to Matthew), "if it helps, I'm amazed by how many shows you've been to"
[sex] Jota says, "Ha ha."
[sex] Matthew exclaims (at inky), "It's not quite the same thing!!!"
[robmumble] olethros says, "well you know, she could wear a burka"
[sex] inky says, "sometimes two or three in one night!"
[sex] Matthew says, "And, who knows, if I went to fewer shows, maybe my own number would be higher."
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Or 'stop buying her band-aids'"
[people-suk] Jota asks, "By the way, was anyone else expecting this conversation to go in a *completely* different way?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "there have been a couple of times when I've been on a trip and my dad has been, too, and I'm not sure how she manages"
[robmumble] olethros asks, "toilet paper?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I guess she stocks up on groceries beforehand"
[robmumble] Rob says, "which my dad and I have to buy because she doesn't go to the store any more"
[people-suk] Rob says, "something flitted through my mind during the nervous intro to what he had to say"
[sex] vimes says, "also, i had some degree of jealousy for similar people until i realized how few times i've ever had my bathroom trashed by a stranger or my iphone stolen or contracted an sti or anything similar: zero"
[people-suk] inky says, "I was assuming it was the usual story where you meet an old friend for dinner, you have a few drinks, and next thing you know"
[people-suk] Jota says, "When Matthew comes onto #sex and starts saying 'I don't know who else to talk to' and 'I had dinner with a (male) friend of mine last night, the first time we'd seen each other in basically a year'."
[robmumble] Rob says (to lpsmith), "yeah whenever we buy band-aids or rubbing alcohol or things like that I always think we're, uh, whatever that word is, facilitating"
[robmumble] Rob says, "like ok we'll go pick up that heroin you ordered"
[people-suk] maga says (to Jota), "I did my best to suppress my snarkage"
[people-suk] Jota asks (of inky), "And you both realize your shared love of musical theater?"
[robmumble] Steve says, "'Enabling' is generally the word, I think"
[people-suk] Rob says, "ok so we all thought it"
[sex] Matthew says, "Well, I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure it's possible to sleep with a lot of women and not have things like that happen."
[robmumble] Rob says, "there we go"
[people-suk] maga says, "I had got as far as 'I'm really happy for you'"
[sex] Allen says, "our dba also had 2 kids from 2 different marriages that he had to pay child support on"
[sex] Allen says, "so there's another thing"
[sex] olethros says (to matthew), "well, it's not so easy, I think"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah so we're all enabling, but what do we do? I've had that conversation with my dad and my brother and my aunts a number of times"
[people-suk] katre says, "heck, I read it in reverse order due to the miracle of recap and I was thinking it"
[robmumble] olethros asks (of Rob), "what do professionals say about this?"
[robmumble] lpsmith asks, "Can you have the conversation with a therapist?"
[sex] vimes says, "anyway, if you want to have more sex, go have more sex"
[robmumble] Rob says, "my dad has given up and is committed to enabling because she makes his life miserable in a special way a wife can make a husband's life hell when he challenges her on this stuff"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Obviously, it is something way beyond the bounds of what normal people are equipped to deal with."
[sex] inky says, "hmm"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I don't quite have that problem. she can gripe at me but she can't henpeck me"
[robmumble] katre says (to rob), "possibly you and your father should consider seeing a therapist. not so much to help your mother but just to help yourselves cope"
[sex] inky says, "I think if you have a lot of intimate experiences with strangers you are probably going to get burned a couple times"
[sex] inky says, "it's like hitchhiking"
[robmumble] Jota says, "katre may be right."
[robmumble] Rob says, "my dad saw one at one point. the diagnosis he got after one session was that he sounded like he had all the stress signs of the spouse of an invalid"
[sex] vimes says, "if you can't take the heat, don't have sex with the kitchen"
[sex] inky says, "ha ha ha"
[sex] vimes says, "(i almost typed 'with the chicken')"
[sex] Tale says, ""It had everything in it but the kitchen sink""
[sex] inky says, "also good"
[people-suk] Emily says, "frankly I am actually a bit surprised that he wasn't more judgey about his friend"
[sex] olethros asks (of vimes), "sure, remember 'keep fucking that chicken'?"
[sex] Allen says (to vimes), " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72zLHGCOm-0 "
[sex] lpsmith asks (of inky), "So, you give yourself a disease when writing a book about the kindness of people you sleep with across the country to generate interest in the book?"
[sex] Rob says, "this is reminding me of the bit in Four Weddings and a Funeral where andie mcdowell starts enumerating all the guys she's slept with, and it goes into the 30s"
[sex] Jota asks (of inky), "Wait, so if you have a lot of intimate experiences with strangers, are you eventually going to shoot yourself and blame it on someone you met at a bar?"
[sex] inky says, "ha ha"
[sex] Rob says, "and finally hugh grant wonders aloud what he's been doing with his time"
[sex] vimes says, "several ha has"
[sex] lpsmith exclaims (at Jota), "Timing!"
[sex] Jota asks (of Allen), "Is that KFTC?"
[sex] Allen says (to Jota), "no, it's the BBC"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah maybe"
[sex] vimes says, "thirty-seven? in a row?"
[sex] Tale says, "Are people really that interested inb having sex with lots of different people? Seems like a crazy lot of effort"
[robmumble] Rob says, "there is the other thing where if you go to talk to somebody my mom gets all angry and paranoid that you're talking about her behind her back"
[cabal] katre says (to em), "yay party, boo being in seattle when I'm in Japan"
[cabal] Emily says, "aw"
[sex] inky says, "just have sex with one mr (or mrs) potatohead, and swap out the pieces a lot -- way easier"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it's like geez this demon has left no opening whatsoever"
[robmumble] Rob says, "where's the little missing scale like in Smaug's armor"
[sex] vimes says, "personally, it seems like a better investment in time to put in practice with a small number of people"
[cabal] Emily says, "but yeah, I'm not really expecting there to be much opportunity for people to come from out of town, especially with the minimal notice, but I wanted to ask just in case soemone happened to be planning to be around"
[cabal] katre says, "totally"
[sex] vimes says, "i mean, i wouldn't do trapeze tricks with a huge number of people and think that was better when i could do better trapeze tricks with one person after some practice"
[sex] inky says, "ha ha"
[sex] Tale says, "Finding someone compatible seems fare more, er, er, efficient in the long run"
[sex] Rob says, "heh"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Hmm."
[sex] Ryan says (to vimes), "'interrobang' conveys this weirdly different meaning in this conversation."
[sex] inky asks, "but c'mon, haven't you fantasized about doing a trapeze routine with irish identical twins?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "this actually comes from something my brother did to make things worse at one point"
[sex] inky says (to Ryan), "hooray"
[sex] vimes says (to ryan), "i thought it was highly appropriate especially for the quote"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "It sounds like you are sort of enabling yourselves, too, which sounds common."
[sex] Matthew says (to Tale), "I mean, that's my (theoretical) preference, too.  But, like I said, there's a certain 'fantasy fulfillment' aspect to this I can't quite get past."
[robmumble] Rob says, "where *he* went to a therapist, and came back emboldened one day to tell my mom that all of his problems come from her, which wrecked her emotionally and she still talks about it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah I dunno, now this is the fabric of our lives"
[robmumble] Emily says, "oh geez"
[sex] Doug says, "so, none of my relationships have lasted more than 6 months"
[sex] Matthew says, "And that it's someone I know personally is... even stranger."
[robmumble] Gunther says, "ok, at this point it seems like dragging her out would in fact be the way to go"
[sex] Tale says, "Yeah, as I said, I don't really see the fantasy appeal, either"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah"
[sex] Doug says, "I've been participating in relationships (off and on) for almost 20 years"
[robmumble] Rob says, "every now and then I try something bold that almost seems like it might penetrate and make a change"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Yeah, I think either you decide to live this way until you die, or you go out and find someone to tell you what to do."
[sex] Tale says, "it only works if you think about it as "movie sex", where people are always 100% compatible on preferences"
[sex] Doug says, "so my number is pretty high, but it doesn't seem that unusual to me"
[robmumble] Emily says, "get your house fumigated so it's unlivable-in for two weeks and your family has to hang out in a hotel"
[robmumble] Emily says, "(note: maybe not actually good advice)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "last summer I was heading off to visit my aunts and my brother and his kids, and my mom was upset because her sisters would be seeing her new granddaughter before she got to"
[robmumble] Rob says, "to which I wanted to say, well, then get on a plane and go"
[robmumble] inky says, "I wonder if you could talk with a CBT therapist about stuff you can do"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "You may have to smuggle in a bunch of cockroaches first."
[robmumble] Rob says, "and in fact I offered her my ticket and said you go instead"
[robmumble] inky says, "I bet there isn't much with no buy-in from her, though"
[robmumble] Gunther says (to Emily), "and yet so much better than the suggestion I didn't make"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and she looked at me in a really serious way without speaking for like a minute and a half, with who knows what racing through her head, and then said in a very small voice that she couldn't"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "(it also involved making the house unlivable)"
[sex] Doug says, "I mean heck, even if I averaged only one relationship a year, I'd be up to 19, which I'm guessing sounds high to Matthew"
[robmumble] Rob asks, "what's CBT?"
[robmumble] lpsmith says (to Rob), "Aww."
[sex] Matthew says (to Doug), "Uh... it sort of does, yeah."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I was like, man, I got her to seriously think about it, though"
[sex] Tale says, "Yeah, it does."
[sex] Doug says, "but maybe your friend is not as old as me"
[robmumble] Emily says, "cognitive behavioral therapy -- it's about teaching techniques to undermine irrational/unhealthy thinking patterns you get into"
[sex] Matthew says (to Doug), "He's 31."
[robmumble] Emily says, "(as I understand it)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "ah yeah"
[robmumble] inky says, "yeah that"
[sex] Matthew says (to Doug), "And the thing that really shocked me is that he's slept with so many women he lost count.  He actually said that."
[robmumble] vimes says, "extremely effective in many cases (it certainly was for me)"
[robmumble] Emily says, "there are even some online courses for it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "there was one time my dad suddenly called from the emergency room"
[sex] Doug says, "yeah, I think I was at around 10 when I was 31"
[sex] Matthew says, "Which suggests, to me, at least, a number way higher than 19."
[sex] Tale says, "I'd say he's exagerrating"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it turned out he was just dehydrated so he got dizzy and nauseous while driving, and my mom didn't know this yet and thought he had a heart attack"
[sex] vimes says, "#tangent the templar in D3 says "i tried to count how many we've killed, but i lost track!" - and he almost always says it in my games after we've killed about three monsters"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and she had me drive her to the ER"
[sex] Tale says, "Uh, do girls like guys who can spell? I hope not"
[sex] Jota says (to Doug), "I read that really weirdly."
[sex] inky says, "ha ha"
[sex] Matthew says (to Tale), "Given what I know of him, I honestly don't think so."
[sex] Doug says, "but I am by no means a player or anything"
[robmumble] Rob says, "so like she actually left the house. moreover, she was so worried about him for once she didn't worry about her face"
[sex] inky says (to vimes), "ha ha more"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and I was thinking wow this is great, she is sitting here in this waiting room and nobody's staring at her (they all have their own problems) and she will learn that she is afraid of nothing"
[sex] vimes says, "if it helps any, i've lost count too"
[sex] vimes says, "i could think back and add it up"
[sex] vimes says, "but i don't /keep/ count"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "The problem with this problem is that the movie version is just too ripe with possibilities for solutions."
[robmumble] Rob says, "sadly a few years later when I brought this up during a heavy discussion about her, she related this completely wrong version where EVERYONE WAS STARING AT HER"
[sex] Matthew says, "Well... I don't know, maybe this is more common than I thought."
[robmumble] Rob says, "and I said 'no, they weren't and she said "YES THEY WERE""
[robmumble] Rob says, "and that was depressing"
[sex] Matthew says, "Like I said, I don't exactly move in really socially adept circles."
[sex] vimes says, "you don't have to move in socially adept circles, just in bed"
[sex] Tale says (to matthew), "Yep, everyone except you gets laid a lot, man."
[robmumble] Rob says, "pfhh. sometimes it does sound like serious madness"
[sex] inky says, "ha ha"
[sex] Doug says, "I keep count, but I think I am actually off by one.  I've been meaning to go and actually write down a list"
[sex] inky says, "you might be overthinking how socially adept you have to be to have sex"
[robmumble] lpsmith asks, "'sometimes'?"
[sex] Tale asks (of doug), "Excel?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "except in all other respects she is this smart sane capable woman"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "That's clearly what it is."
[robmumble] Rob says, "but about this, not so much"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "right, but it's still madness."
[sex] Doug says, "I think the thing is, most people have relationships that last a long while, so that puts their number way down"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "(in the literal sense)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I wish she could be made to see that it is"
[sex] vimes says, "the TISM song i linked to earlier (everyone else has had more sex than me) is ever more appropriate"
[sex] Matthew says (to inky), "Well, I think you need to be sort of good if you're scoring with multiple dozens of people."
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Well then, go see a therapist."
[sex] vimes says, "no you don't"
[sex] Matthew says, "(Er, good with... people.)"
[sex] Doug says, "but number of partners is not a measure of how much sex you're having.  it's almost the inverse"
<BrenBarn> Others again say that the things which have been made are Eternity, and the things which shall be made are Everlastingness, and that Eternity is the Day, and Everlastingness the Night.
[sex] vimes says, "i promise you, you don't need to be good with people to have the opportunity to sleep with dozens of people"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Drag your dad along."
[robmumble] Gunther asks, "could you, like, move the fridge out and force her to go get food?"
[sex] Jota says (to Matthew), "Well, there's the thing inky mentioned about closing time."
BrenBarn busta.
[sex] Matthew says (to vimes), "Huh, okay."
[sex] Tale says, "And it doesn't say anything about the quality of sex, either"
[sex] Doug says, "if you're scoring with multiple dozens of people *per year*, then yeah, that's some skills.  but over time, it just adds up"
[sex] Jota says, "I assume you need to have the guts (if that's the right word) to try to hook up with a random stranger."
[sex] vimes says, "socially awkward me (that is, me before about age 26 or so) had the opportunity to sleep with...man, probably a hundred or more women"
[sex] Doug says, "and yeah, I've never 'hooked up'"
[sex] vimes says, "socially awkward me took exactly one of them up on it, and decided he liked being in relationships better"
[sex] Doug asks (of vimes), "what do you mean by 'opportunity'?"
[sex] vimes says (to doug), "women trying to drag socially awkward me off to their apartment / car / coat closet, in many cases"
[sex] Doug says, "jeez"
[sex] Doug says, "ok that hasn't been my experience"
[sex] Ryan says, "Perhaps you are very attractive."
[sex] Ryan says, "Because I was socially awkward and had oppotunities to sleep with like four women."
[sex] vimes says, "not particularly so, i understand"
[sex] Rob says, "that has not happened to me ever"
[sex] Doug says, "I've only been 'hit on' about 3 times"
[sex] Rob says, "unless I just didn't recognize that was the deal"
[sex] Doug says, "back in the 90s"
[sex] vimes says, "however, i believe i have two big things going for me SHUT UP THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT"
[sex] Doug says, "one of them actually asked me my sign.  I almost laughed out loud"
[sex] Rob . o O ( two? )
[sex] Tale says, "I have these very asexual phase, where I sometimes feel that attractive women get annoyed with me for not showing any interest"
[sex] BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[sex] Rob says, "yeah"
[sex] vimes says, "one: i seriously don't give a crap if i sleep with someone or not"
[sex] Tale says, "Not because I'm that hot, but because guys are supposed to oogle, dunno"
[sex] BrenBarn says, "heh, oogle"
[sex] Rob says, "oogle heh"
[sex] vimes says, "two: i am universally and equally nice to anyone i don't have a reason to be a jerk towards, male or female"
[sex] inky says, "I assume oogle.com is not an image search engine"
[sex] Doug says, "it has two pink ribbons"
[sex] Doug asks, "some sort of breast cancer thing I guess?"
[sex] vimes says, "i'm pretty sure these two contribute to people wanting to sleep with me, which is really counterproductive to the intended purpose of not having to worry about people sleeping with me"
[sex] inky says, "hmm"
[sex] Ryan says (to vimes), "You assumed I meant physically attractive."
[sex] BrenBarn says, "but if you want to sleep with people wouldn't it better to be. . . a dick to everyone?  haw haw haw"
[sex] vimes says (to ryan), "yes, i rather did"
[sex] vimes says (to brenbarn), "a television in every living room! a dick in every chicken! i mean pot! i mean...crap."
[sex] inky says, "ha ha"
[sex] inky says, "'nice' is kind of a broad term"
[sex] Fang says, "my god, vimes is an anime harem lead"
[sex] BrenBarn says (to inky), "yeah, it doesn't apply to males"
[sex] inky says, "heh"
[sex] vimes says (to inky), "i'm hugely indifferent to anyone's gender, religion, skin color, socioeconomic status, et cetera"
[sex] inky says, "like this ex-coworker of mine and I were both equally nice in the sense that we were pleasant to people and willing to do favors when asked and stuff"
[sex] Tale says, "; :rips off vimes' mask. It's Jack Harkness."
[sex] inky says, "but he also initiated a bunch of social interaction and had lunch with people and kibitzed in the halls and stuff"
[sex] vimes says, "hee hee"
[sex] vimes says, "yeah, i don't initiate social interaction"
[sex] vimes says, "but apparently i invite it"
[jobs] Matthew says, "Well, I officially expressed my interest in that job that opened up here."
[sex] inky asks, "do you run with it when you get it?"
[sex] vimes says, "well, i wouldn't say 'run', but i don't usually drop it on someone's toe, pop off a smoke bomb, and ninja-flee"
[sex] inky says, "hee hee"
[sex] BrenBarn says, "chyx flip for ninja-fleers"
[sex] vimes says, "if the other person is willing to keep talking, i'm willing to keep listening, basically"
[sex] inky says, "I thought it was the ninjas who flip out"
[jobs] (from Jon) Matthew says, "long story short, I'm fired."
[kitties] GDorn says, "sevenkittens back in view"
[sex] inky says, "maybe chyx flip for ninja fleers, and flee from ninja flippers"
[sex] vimes says, "now i'm envisioning a clan of secret assassin dolphins"
[kitties] GDorn says, "a writhing piles of mews and chomps and wobbles"
[sex] BrenBarn says, "I realized at a certain point that I had probably not been noticing chyx being interested in me before that point"
[kitties] GDorn says, "-s"
[jobs] Gunther says, "s/fired/CEO"
[kitties] GDorn says, "now it's bathing and nursing time"
[jobs] Matthew says, "I guess the big thing with this job is that I would need to brush up on my InDesign skills."
[jobs] Gunther says, "oh dear god"
[sex] inky says, "anyway, my super-limited experience is that if you want to get pickups from strangers you have to talk to a lot of strangers who are potentially compatible, because most interactions don't turn into pickups"
[whiz-games] Whizzard stretches.
[sex] inky says, "so you have to have a lot of conversations, which probably means you have to initiate them or be in a social setting where a lot get initiated naturally, and you have to have a lot of people who are potentially compatible, which presumably means single women for the crowd here"
[jobs] Jon says, "what Gunther said."
[sex] inky says, "(and being nice on its own is some sub-component of that but isn't really the main thing)"
[jobs] Jon says, "I took a class that required a lot of inDesign work."
[jobs] Jon says, "for my major project for that class, I turned in something I did in LaTeX"
[jobs] Jon says, "because fuck inDesign."
[jobs] inky says, "ha ha"
[jobs] Whizzard says, "Well, as someone who got started with Quark originally, I like InDesign."
[jobs] Whizzard says, "Because fuck Quark."
[sex] BrenBarn says, "hmmm"
[jobs] Steve says, "Yeah, I was doing support of an Apple shop when they moved from Quark to InDesign, and they were so happy"
<Felix> Felix has connected to ifMUD.
Felix flies into the Lounge in his brand new space-car, which he then folds up into a brief case.
Felix waves.
[jobs] Whizzard says, "SO. MUCH. BETTER."
[personals] BrenBarn | http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/mis/3122613055.html
[jobs] Whizzard says, "Anyway, could be worse. They could be using Quark."
[personals] Jon says, "what"
[personals] Emily says, "from the Cats Seeking Cats section"
[personals] BrenBarn asks, "what part of 'I poot in bed' do you not understand?"
[personals] inky says, "money can't buy non-pooting"
[personals] inky says (to Emily), "hee hee"
[personals] BrenBarn says, "there are like 8 replies to this 'money can't buy class' post, but the original post is gone"
[personals] BrenBarn | http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/mis/3123579099.html
[personals] Emily says, "though having now spent some time with Chris and also with Laura Mixon I feel slightly bad making jokes about that"
[personals] Emily says, "but they're so ingrained"
[robmumble] olethros says, "= 50"
[personals] BrenBarn says, "if you're going to make a game with a character called Poot you gotta have a thick skin"
[housing] Dave says, "so Irene put money down on a short sale"
[personals] Emily says, "she is absolutely not a thick-skinned kind of person"
[housing] Dave says, "looks like she slightly over-offered, or more accurately, offered a fair amount too quickly"
[personals] Emily says, "we all talked about our various projects, and when she got to hers she was so emotional she cried, which was disconcerting though very sincere"
[personals] BrenBarn | http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/mis/3123602313.html
[personals] BrenBarn says, "dag"
[housing] Dave says, "she probably could have gotten them down another $10k to $20k with patience"
[law] Allen | British judges says Samsung tablets don't infringe on iPad because they "are not as cool."
[housing] Dave says, "but when you like a house, that's really hard to do"
[law] Allen | Samsung lacks the simplicity of Apple. Or as the judge put it -- with a Samsung-like failure to simplify -- they "do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design."
[law] inky says, "ha ha"