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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob, fake_Robb_Sherwin
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this."
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder, Sarcasm Detector
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, Jon, annabianca, Psmith, vimes, Jearl, small, McMartin, Dave, DorianX, Ryan, lpsmith, Marktwo, genericgeekgirl, zaphod, Iain, Lionheart, Matthew, Jacqueline, Bishop, ghira, GDorn, boucher, Grocible, Lucea, BrenBarn, Whizzard, Allen, DavidW, nothings, Tale, Gunther, marc
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 869 of 3763 lines from recent channels:
[law]/18:49 Allen says, "wow, Carreon reaches new levels of dickishness: http://www.citizen.org/documents/Doe-v-Carreon-Complaint.pdf "
[law]|18:49 Allen says, "(page 30-31)"
[lounge]|18:49 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|18:49 K-Y says, "re"
[law]|18:51 Allen | The membership news I regularly receive from Public Citizen about mislabeled drugs and health care fraud is apparently a mere cloak for some absurd agenda being dictated by the pointy-headed Internet mavens with no concern for the public good and a vested interest in legitimizing Netwar and digital lynching. Please forward this email to the Director and the Board of Public Citizen, and to Ralph Nader and let them know what you are up to, because you are up to your eyeballs in foolishness.
[lounge]|18:53 Doug has arrived.
[lounge]|18:53 Doug waves.
[law]|18:53 inky says, "ha ha"
[law]|18:53 inky says, "interesting double use of up to there"
[lounge]|18:55 inky says, "howdy"
[lounge]|18:55 Jacqueline says, "Hi, Doug."
[law]|18:55 K-Y says, "man, this url"
[law]|18:55 K-Y | http://charles-carreon.com/2012/06/26/all-of-your-domains-are-belong-to-me/
[law]|18:56 inky says, "hm"
[law]|18:57 inky asks, "so generally the US doesn't have loser-pays-legal-fees laws, right?"
[law]|18:57 Allen asks, "he threatens to sue if they don't respond by 3pm the next day?"
[law]|18:58 inky asks, "is there any defense against someone filing a bunch of harassing lawsuits?"
[law]|18:58 K-Y | Yet Register.com caved in, putting Doe's personal information in the WHOIS, violating the promises inherent in its broadly advertised private registration service, as well as the explicit commitment I received from Register.com staff when I called them to make sure that company would stand up for its customer.
[lounge]|18:58 shercambe appears through a silver swirling vortex and drops to the floor with a thump. The vortex shimmers and dies away.
[law]|18:58 K-Y says, "they disclosed information of a customer who paid extra to keep their information private, basically"
[lounge]|18:59 shercambe goes southwest to play with toys.
[law]|19:01 Jota asks, "Is this one of those things where, unless she can show a numerical financial loss, they only have to just give back the money she paid?"
[law]|19:02 K-Y says, "also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_rule_%28attorney%27s_fees%29 "
[lounge]|19:03 shercambe arrives from the east. shercambe asks, "Anybody want to get fined a cow?"
[lounge]|19:03 shercambe goes southwest to play with toys.
[law]|19:04 K-Y says (to inky), "I guess you want to know if there are defenses other than 'sue back'"
[law]|19:05 inky asks, "well, what grounds can you sue for?"
[law]|19:05 inky says, "er, sue on"
[law]|19:06 inky says, "I guess even if it's illegal to harass someone with frivolous lawsuits it's hard to prove"
[lounge]|19:06 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|19:06 * Emily has disconnected.
[law]|19:07 K-Y says, "perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_process "
[law]|19:08 inky says, "yeah that's reasonable"
[law]|19:09 K-Y says, "but I assume first you'd want to try moving to dismiss"
[lounge]|19:09 shercambe entered the lounge. This time there was a brief pause before the mass wailing recommenced. shercambe? What kind of people were in control of this MUD? The crying took on a bitter and disillusioned tone.
[lounge]|19:10 shercambe goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|19:13 shercambe arrives from the Toyshop, pursued by a Stomper 4x4.
[lounge]|19:13 shercambe concentrates, and disappears.
[law]|19:15 boucher says, "Really, the only cure for jerkass lawyers is disbarment, and the...well, bar...is pretty high for that."
[law]|19:16 baf says, "But not insurmountable."
[lounge]|19:16 Yuri goes home.
[law]|19:16 boucher says, "I'm pretty sure Carreon is of a special breed who doesn't know when to quit, until he's dug himself a nice deep grave"
[law]|19:17 Lionheart says, "Frex, Jack Thompson's jerkassery was sufficient to clear that bar."
[law]|19:18 boucher says, "So far, Carreon hasn't submitted briefs full of explicit pornography, or attempted to subpeona the President of the United States, but give him time."
[law]|19:20 Jon says (to boucher), "well, he can be sanctioned, iirc."
[law]|19:20 Jon says, "and then you disbar them if the sanctions don't work"
[English]|19:20 Jon says, "it's exceedingly stupid how the word 'sanction' has two meanings, one of which is basically opposite of the other."
[law]|19:21 baf says, "There are probably people like this in every profession, but few professions give their assholes such power or such public visibility. In fact, I can think offhand of only one that does."
[law]|19:21 inky asks, "cops?"
[law]|19:21 lpsmith asks, "Sanitation crews?"
[English]|19:21 Psmith says, "see also 'cleave'."
[law]|19:22 inky says, "ha ha"
[law]|19:22 baf says, "I was thinking politicians."
[law]|19:22 lpsmith exclaims, "I was right!"
[board-games]|19:26 Doug says, "A fun talk by Reiner Knizia: https://vimeo.com/30852674 "
[law]|19:29 Allen says, "oh Tara has responded again"
[law]|19:29 Allen | Regarding this accusation that Charles is a "censorious douchebag," Inman's gang has made clear what they consider "censorious"--having any morals at all!... These guys have the mentality of assassins. Anything less would not be macho. They are killers, at least in their minds. Just look at their cartoons. They like to kill. They think it's fun to kill. They think their friends will admire them if they kill. Without mercy!
[law]|19:29 Allen | This "censorious douchebag" blame is the blame of cannibals, of assassins. These children have been corrupted by a corrupt society. And everyone who fails to register an opinion and act in this matter is to blame. They are stupid, silent people, who are absolutely worthless to our society. Really, what good is their life, but a burden to the planet?
[law]|19:30 baf says, "beyond parody"
[cookies]|19:31 inky | http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/07/02/presidential_bake_off_oat_cookies_always_win.html
[law]|19:31 Jota says, "At least Inman's gang of wannabe killers isn't to blame."
[quotations]|19:40 K-Y | His only request was to include an attractive woman, one or both of his cats, and an image which had a small narrative. I wasn't comfortable drawing his cat.
[quotations]|19:40 K-Y | I hope I got the other two things.
[vimesical]|19:43 vimes says, "well, i didn't get the job (pretty near thing, though, and they encouraged me to try again in a year or so)"
[lounge]|19:43 Lucea had the olive complexion.
[quotations]|19:44 K-Y says, "as for the drawing, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HHGFt5_qDpg/T5NosMPvr2I/AAAAAAAADzI/Gmr2KUHLA8w/s1600/zipper_GREY_UL.jpg "
[lucence]|19:44 Lucea says, "flight purchased and surprisingly cheap"
[lucence]|19:45 Lucea says, "I guess maybe because I'm flying out of newark"
[quotations]|19:45 inky says, "golly"
[vimesical]|19:45 inky says, "aw, man"
[vimesical]|19:45 inky says, "pretty good to be that close, though"
[vimesical]|19:46 vimes says, "yeah, and it was an exhilierating series of interviews"
[vimesical]|19:49 Jacqueline says, "Aw... man."
[vimesical]|19:49 Jacqueline asks, "You... weren't *sick* at the interview, were you?"
[vimesical]|19:51 maga says, "aw, I'm sorry"
[vimesical]|19:53 Jearl asks, "did they give you any useful feedback?"
[lucence]|19:54 Lucea says, "next steps: trying to hammer out a million fourth of july details while making it seem like no effort was expended; beat two deadlines"
[vimesical]|19:54 Jacqueline says, "He has gone to drown his sorrows in milk, it would appear."
[weblogs]|19:55 Doug says, "huh, Benjamin Harrison was kind of awesome."
[vimesical]|19:56 vimes says, "no, i wasn't sick, and yes, they gave me some useful feedback about why i wasn't sufficiently awesome at this moment"
[vimesical]|19:57 vimes says, "i also just found out another friend of mine in seattle that i was going to visit passed away suddenly two days ago"
[vimesical]|19:57 vimes says, "mind: no longer on the interview"
[vimesical]|19:58 Jacqueline says, "Oh no, Justin - I am so sorry."
[vimesical]|19:59 inky says, "oh man"
[vimesical]|20:00 vimes says, "we had been looking forward to meeting up in person for seven years"
[vimesical]|20:00 vimes says, "opportunities kept falling through"
[vimesical]|20:01 Doug says, "wow, that's awful"
[flags]|20:04 * Doug has joined the channel.
[MacOS]|20:06 Doug asks, "why does my macbook pro have no USB input on the right side?  Was Steve Jobs left-handed?"
[MacOS]|20:06 Jacqueline says, "Probably."
[MacOS]|20:07 Doug says, "my microsoft mouse cord is just barely long enough to wrap around to the right side.  But I guess I'm supposed to buy an Apple mouse anyway"
[MacOS]|20:08 K-Y says, "as it happens, the retina macbook pro *does* have one there"
[MacOS]|20:08 K-Y says, "I think it's a strategy to make you resent the DVD drive for taking up where the input could otherwise be"
[vimesical]|20:09 lpsmith says, "Aiee"
[MacOS]|20:10 Doug says, "yeah"
[TV]|20:10 Jota asks, "When a 3-camera sitcom uses special sets that aren't one of the standard locations, how do they do that? Do they set them up ahead of time in an empty slot that's reserved for that kind of thing? Do they quickly dismantle/remove one of the standard sets and put the new one in its place temporarily? Or something else entirely?"
[lounge]|20:12 lpsmith says, "Wow, drive-by Yooning."
[vimesical]|20:13 lpsmith says (to vimes), "Sorry I couldn't make it to the vimesmeet; it was another weekend with one thing after another in it for me."
[vimesical]|20:14 vimes says, "no worries.  we had a good time, and i'll be back with more notice at some point, i'm sure"
[vimesical]|20:16 boucher asks (of lpsmith), "I'm sorry to say this, and so tastelessly, but you do realize this means you're going to die soon, right?"
[vimesical]|20:16 vimes says (to boucher), "no, no, he already died, your timeline is off"
[vimesical]|20:16 Jacqueline says, "..."
[vimesical]|20:16 boucher says, "Ah, well, that's okay.  Undeadmeets are totally cool"
[vimesical]|20:17 boucher says, "Though they do tend to be rather one-note.  After all, how long can you spend agreeing that brains are great."
[TV]|20:19 inky asks, "there's not a direct connection between the number of cameras and how the sets work, is there?"
[vimesical]|20:19 lpsmith | woooooooooooo
[TV]|20:19 Jon says, "'kipedia suggests they use a single-camera setup on the non-standard sets"
[TV]|20:20 Jon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-camera_setup
[TV]|20:20 Jon says, "wait, no, the paragraph there was talking about British sitcoms."
[lounge]|20:21 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]|20:21 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[TV]|20:22 Jota says (to inky), "'Three-camera' refers to the sort of thing where you have a layout like a theatre stage, with the audience/cameras all to one side (the 'fourth wall'), and all the cameras going at once."
[TV]|20:22 jenrexrode says, "like on I love lucy"
[TV]|20:22 inky asks, "yes?"
[TV]|20:22 Jota says, "'Single-camera' is the kind of thing where you shoot a scene from one angle, then move everything all around to do a second take from another angle, etc. until you have all the angles you want."
[TV]|20:23 inky says, "hmm"
[TV]|20:23 inky says, "so you're saying single camera implies multiple takes, so switching sets isn't a big deal?>"
[TV]|20:23 Jota says, "So in the latter, you can shoot from any angle, so you don't have to build your sets around a 'fourth wall' kind of concept."
[TMI]|20:24 jenrexrode says, "I found a milk bone with bugs in it, in a drawer in my bedroom"
[TMI]|20:24 jenrexrode says, "it was a freebie Maddie got at a restaurant, and I threw it in a drawer where I keep her treats."
[TV]|20:25 Jota says, "I guess I've seen the hybrid thing a lot."
[lounge]|20:26 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[TMI]|20:26 Jota asks, "Were the bugs likely there before it went in the drawer?"
[lounge]|20:26 Gerynar says, "OK, I'm here now...entertain me"
[lounge]|20:27 Jota blows a kazoo.
[lounge]|20:27 Gerynar exclaims, "yay!"
[headlines]|20:27 jenrexrode |Anderson Cooper: ?The fact is, I?m gay?
[headlines]|20:28 jenrexrode says, "oops no ?'s"
[lounge]|20:28 jenrexrode says, "hi G"
[lounge]|20:28 Gerynar says, "Howdy"
[lounge]|20:28 Gerynar asks, "How's everyone day been?"
[lounge]|20:29 Lucea says, "it has certainly been a day"
[lounge]|20:30 jenrexrode says, "not bad for a Monday, but then I don't really like Tuesdays, except this one might be okay"
[headlines]|20:30 Doug asks, "it's surprising that he'd come out, but how many people didn't already know?"
[lounge]|20:31 Gerynar says, "Tuesdays aren't good for me...we have weekly meetings at 9am, but I'm generally not scheduled to go in until noon"
[lounge]|20:32 Hugo enters the lounge. Do you like him? Check box: [ ] YES [ ] NO
[lounge]|20:32 Gerynar checks a box
[law]|20:32 Allen says, "ok, now I've wasted an hour reading assorted SLAPP stories"
[lounge]|20:32 inky says, "ok off"
[lounge]|20:32 inky got credit for creating Common and the concept of money, for generating lots of art and literature, and for being the very best at killing his enemies.
[headlines]|20:32 jenrexrode says, "yeah, we have a meeting on Tuesdays, and it's an hour, and I spend an hour prepping for it"
[law]|20:32 Allen says, "here is one amusing case: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B77l4lqiR0CuZDEwZDczMzMtNzAwZC00Mjc2LThiMjgtNjdjMDg1YzVmNTkz/edit?pli=1 "
[headlines]|20:36 jenrexrode |Another component to filming the show came when it was decided to use three 35 mm film cameras to simultaneously film the show. The idea had been pioneered by Ralph Edwards on the game show Truth or Consequences.
[headlines]|20:36 jenrexrode says, "oops"
[TV]|20:36 jenrexrode |Another component to filming the show came when it was decided to use three 35 mm film cameras to simultaneously film the show. The idea had been pioneered by Ralph Edwards on the game show Truth or Consequences
[TV]|20:37 jenrexrode | Edwards's assistant Al Simon was hired by Desilu to help perfect the new technique for the series. The process lent itself to the Lucy production as it eliminated the problem of requiring an audience to view and react to a scene three or four times in order for all necessary shots to be filmed.
[TV]|20:38 jenrexrode says, "from wiki/I Love Lucy"
[TV]|20:40 jenrexrode says, "wow"
[TV]|20:40 jenrexrode | As mentioned, audience reactions were live, thus creating a far more authentic laugh than the "canned laughter" used on most filmed sitcoms of the time. Regular audience members were sometimes heard from episode to episode, and Arnaz's distinctive laugh could be heard in the background during scenes in which he did not perform.
[TV]|20:40 jenrexrode exclaims, "I know that laugh!"
[vimesical]|20:41 Jacqueline says, "mmkay - we're headed out... 15-20 minutes on our end until arrival."
[lounge]|20:44 jenrexrode wanders off.
[lounge]|20:44 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[hardware]|20:45 K-Y says, "I think my mouse is failing"
[lounge]|20:46 jenrexrode says, "#belated - yeah, we have a meeting on Tuesdays, and it's an hour, and I spend an hour prepping for it"
[books]|20:47 Doug asks, "so I got an uncorrected proof of Ready Player One.  Am I going to be annoyed by typos and stuff?"
[lounge]|20:47 K-Y says, "restart"
[lounge]|20:47 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|20:47 * K-Y has disconnected.
[books]|20:47 Doug asks, "or, worse, will text be different from the published version?"
[lounge]|20:48 Gerynar says (to jenrexrode), "our tuesday meetings are so management can yell at us for not being perfect with every customer with a broken phone"
[lounge]|20:48 jenrexrode says, "we didn't have to answer the phones that much today, but knowing that we usually do, there's always a lot put off to Tuesday, so also a busy day"
[lounge]|20:49 jenrexrode says, "our meetings are about constant changes that I'm supposed to help with, but don't really have time to learn"
[google]|20:49 GDorn | http://www.google.com/products/catalog?cid=7836515895219229790
[google]|20:49 GDorn asks, "wtf?"
[TMI]|20:50 jenrexrode exclaims, "uh oh, found another bone, but this one is from Sonic and was wrapped.  I hope that bugs don't come crawling out when I open it!"
[google]|20:50 GDorn says, "google says $238, then says amazon has the best price at $249.99, then amazon says that its price is $263.53."
[TMI]|20:52 jenrexrode says, "yay, it was bug-free"
[lounge]|20:52 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|20:52 K-Y says, "never mind"
[TMI]|20:53 jenrexrode says, "I had these same beetles from dog bones before, but they were in my pantry, and I had to throw out a lot of infested food."
[begood]|20:55 genericgeekgirl asks, "So has anyone heard from Johnny?"
[begood]|20:56 jenrexrode says, "I asked that a couple of weeks ago"
[begood]|20:57 jenrexrode says, "I found he had played a game a week after his last mud visit on some website."
[google]|21:02 Allen asks, "wow is that price real?"
[begood]|21:02 jenrexrode | http://steamcommunity.com/id/jugwhisky
[google]|21:02 Allen asks, "also, is it SATA or SAS, or the same price for both?"
[begood]|21:02 jenrexrode | Last Online: 23 days ago
[google]|21:02 Allen says (to GDorn), "oh, no one understands Amazon's pricing. Not even Amazon"
[lounge]|21:03 maga's studied dalliance with his venal muses is little to our taste.
[google]|21:03 Allen says, "oh! I see, it's just the array, supporting up to 12. I was thinking prices had gotten crazy since last time I looked"
[google]|21:04 jenrexrode says, "sometimes they apply a coupon that assumes you're going to sign up for a credit card and get a rebate"
[google]|21:06 Allen asks, "oh yeah that. I forget about the amazon credit card. Anyone here have one?"
[google]|21:07 Allen says, "probably assumes you have amazon prime as well"
[google]|21:07 jenrexrode says, "I had one, but I don't know the status - I think I only used it the one time"
[jobs]|21:17 Jon | We are the leading Mobile Application Staffing firm and I wanted to connect with you about Ruby opportunities with some of my clients.
[jobs]|21:17 Jon says, "at least one of the clauses in that sentence is a lie"
[lounge]|21:28 maga enters the lounge. Thumps and penitent shrieks follow.
[GerynarsAbode]|21:43 Gerynar is downloading an episode of Computer Chronicles all about UNIX :)
[GerynarsAbode]|21:43 Gerynar says, "it was filmed in 1985"
[politics]|21:43 DorianX says, "Leah has a friend who is upset about PPACA not getting struck down"
[politics]|21:43 DorianX says, "And Leah has no idea how to hold a conversation with her"
[politics]|21:44 DorianX says, "Because she's an uninsuered woman with a preexisting condition who will never have the kind of job that included health benefits"
[GerynarsAbode]|21:44 jenrexrode says, "I think I saw that one"
[politics]|21:44 DorianX says, "and has been married three times and divorced three times before 30"
[politics]|21:44 DorianX says, "and is on welfare"
[GerynarsAbode]|21:44 jenrexrode says, "nah, I take that back, I don't think I watched that show until 1987"
[politics]|21:45 DorianX says, "But she doesn't want her tax money going to provide birth control and abortions for sluts"
[GerynarsAbode]|21:45 Gerynar says, "most, if not all, of the episodes are available at archive.org"
[politics]|21:47 jenrexrode says, "who was that, Craig T Nelson the other day ""I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out?""
[law]|21:47 Allen says, "last year:"
[law]|21:47 Allen says, "last fall"
[law]|21:47 Allen | A California assemblywoman on a quest to end raves was surprised to find that electronic dance music could not be outlawed. Democratic Assemblywoman Fiona Ma tried to ban the music after a 15-year-old girl died at The Electric Daisy Carnival in Los Angeles, apparently from an ecstasy overdose.
[law]|21:48 Allen | "We found out later on that, constitutionally, you can not ban a type of music," she told Reason.TV.
[politics]|21:48 DorianX says, "Also, this friend is a former exotic dancer"
[law]|21:48 Allen | In January, Ma introduced legislation to the California legislature, the Anti-Raves Act of 2011, that would have made conducting an event that includes prerecorded music and lasts more than three and one-half hours a misdemeanor offense with a $10,000 penalty.
[law]|21:48 Allen asks, "how did I miss this?"
[law]|21:49 DorianX says, "Wait, I saw this movie twice"
[law]|21:50 Allen | "I believe with the new secretary, the new people appointed to these boards, more sophistication in terms of what raves are, the safer they will be," Ma said. "Can't wear gloves with lights, you can't walk around with stuffed animals."
[law]|21:52 Allen says, "that should save anyone from dying from an overdose of LED gloves or plush animals"
[law]|21:54 jenrexrode says, "but it will make Dancing with the Stars illegal"
[lounge]|21:55 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[lounge]|21:55 Ellison says, "hey all"
[lounge]|21:55 Gerynar says, "Howdy"
[lounge]|21:56 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[pizza]|21:57 jenrexrode says, "reheating in the oven, but I saw some suggestions about heating in a skillet on the stove"
[pizza]|21:57 Gerynar says, "reheating in skillet keeps the crust from getting all mushy"
[lounge]|21:58 jenrexrode hands Gerynar a skillet
[lounge]|21:58 Gerynar looks around for Limax
[lounge]|21:58 jenrexrode says, "heh heh"
[lounge]|21:58 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[politics]|22:03 McMartin says, "These are the sorts of encounters that lead one to conclude that not all of humanity is actually sentient."
[lounge]|22:04 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[celebrities]|22:09 Ellison says, "huh, I see Anderson Cooper finally came out"
[law]|22:12 Allen asks, "ok, where is Gunther?"
[law]|22:12 Alex says (to Allen), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that gunther is a silly person.  Furthermore, the 'G' word is Gunther."
[law]|22:12 Allen | A TSA agent threatening to sue a citizen for IIED is one of the most ironic events I can imagine. Perhaps if you are looking for similarly situated clients, you could find surviving members of the Montgomery, Alabama police department to sue civil rights marchers for the stress that they forced them to endure when they got all uppity and made the police attack them with fire hoses.
[law]|22:12 Allen | I am certain that Zacharias Moussaoui feels a bit hurt about how people talk about him. Finally, I bet you could sue Trey Parker and Matthew Stone, the creators of South Park, on behalf of Sadaam Hussein's estate.
[lounge]|22:22 Emily arrives.
[lounge]|22:23 maga says, "hey Em"
[lounge]|22:24 Ellison says, "hey Emily"
[lounge]|22:37 Lucea says, "Hi"
[lounge]|22:40 Ellison says, "hey Lucea"
[lucence]|22:40 Ellison says (to Lucea), "how's life been going for you? I see you've been stopping by more often again"
[lounge]|22:44 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lucence]|22:45 Lucea says, "I have"
[lucence]|22:45 Lucea says, "life has been going busily, mostly"
[lucence]|22:45 * jenrexrode has joined the channel.
[lounge]|22:46 borowski is now in glorious BLACK AND WHITE!
[lounge]|22:46 borowski says, "Evening"
[lounge]|22:46 jenrexrode exclaims, "yay!"
[lounge]|22:47 borowski says, "Hey JRR"
[lounge]|22:48 jenrexrode says, "I hope borowski uses film and not kinescopes"
[lounge]|22:48 borowski says, "Well, it depends on the era. Some of my early broadcasts didn't survive at all."
[lounge]|22:49 jenrexrode says, "awww"
[lucence]|22:50 Ellison says, "busy is good"
[lounge]|22:51 borowski says, "I do use a kinescope for MUD logging."
[lounge]|22:51 inky's arrived just in time. A rogue cult has resurrected a necromancer named Azazael, who intends to enslave mankind through the five Gems of Zator, artifacts of great power.
[lounge]|22:51 jenrexrode says, "yay"
[lounge]|22:51 jenrexrode says, "and inky, too"
[lounge]|22:52 Ellison says, "right on"
[lounge]|22:52 maga says, "because six Gems of Zator would be just too much"
[lounge]|22:52 borowski says, "Hey inky"
[lounge]|22:53 borowski asks, "A cult of rogues that's gone rogue?"
[lounge]|22:53 inky says (to maga), "well, let's not get crazy here"
[lucence]|22:59 Lucea says, "true"
[lucence]|22:59 Lucea says, "busy and burnt out, less so"
[metafilter]|23:01 inky | > Also you may leave paper bags of zucchini on my porch or by my mailbox.
[metafilter]|23:01 inky | Reminds me of the woman who said the only time she ever locked her car doors was at church during squash season.
[lucence]|23:04 Ellison says, "aw, yeah"
[daily-show]|23:07 jenrexrode says, "thank goodness for reruns, I'm too busy to watch all these shows right now"
[daily-show]|23:08 jenrexrode says, "oh, and Conan, too"
[daily-show]|23:09 jenrexrode exclaims, "and cragyferg! whew!"
[daily-show]|23:09 borowski says, "Heh. I forgot they were on vacation."
[politics]|23:09 inky | Mr. Romney, who has pledged to .do the opposite. of the Obama administration on matters pertaining to Israel
[politics]|23:10 inky says, "the prank potential seems unlimited"
[politics]|23:10 jenrexrode says, "hehe"
[politics]|23:10 jenrexrode says, "Mitt does like a good prank"
[politics]|23:11 maga says, "Obama would definitely never nuke the Dome of the Rock"
[politics]|23:13 borowski says, ""Obama announces he will not call Israel everyday and ask for Ibin Yerkinoff.""
[politics]|23:13 inky says, "ha ha"
[politics]|23:13 jenrexrode says, "hehehehehe"
[politics]|23:14 borowski says, """Romney pledges that he will, noting that, "Ibin is probably a swell fellow."""
[lounge]|23:16 BrenBarn busta.
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:17 BrenBarn | Weeks later in the United Arab Emirates, a 14-year-old girl handed Berdichevsky a handwritten biography, bound in yarn, so detailed that it touched on his student days at Stanford University and included a childhood photo of him with an alpaca.
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:17 inky says, "wow"
[politics]|23:17 Allen | THERE has not been a fist-fight on the Senate floor since 1902, when the one-eyed white supremacist Benjamin Tillman (known as "Pitchfork Ben" after a threat he once made involving Grover Cleveland's backside) took a swing at his fellow senator from South Carolina, John McLaurin.
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:18 BrenBarn says, "I like the idea that a photo with an alpaca is the ultimate in detail"
[politics]|23:18 inky asks, "wait, was there just a fistfight now?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:18 BrenBarn says, "like if you do a detailed enough biography, you can find a photo of ANYONE with an alpaca"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:18 inky says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:18 inky says, "so *that's* what those NSA spy satellites are for"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:18 BrenBarn says, "it's ripe for a catchphrase right up there with 'an I'm a seahorse!'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:18 BrenBarn says, "er, and"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:19 inky asks, "also, was it not Andy Warhol who said "in the future, everyone will be famous for fifteen minutes with an alpaca"?"
[politics]|23:19 Doug says, "gosh I hope so!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:19 BrenBarn says, "if so, he was wrong"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:20 BrenBarn says, "since it's really 'even the most famous people will have an obscure 15 minutes with an alpaca'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:20 K-Y says, "or at least wear an alpaca for 15 minutes"
[lounge]|23:21 ghira wakes
[lounge]|23:22 jenrexrode says, "hi g"
[lounge]|23:23 DavidW enters the closet to the north.
[music]|23:23 K-Y says, "oh sweet"
[politics]|23:23 Allen says, "no, the article is about the drab unexciting battle between Reid and McConnell"
[politics]|23:23 inky says, "bah"
[music]|23:23 K-Y says, "found more region-locked music I can download through this Pepsi campaign"
[DrawSomething]|23:24 jenrexrode says, "Argh, my friend drew this person holding a glass of blue water with clear 'ice cubes' in it.  It took me ages to figure out they were dentures.  If only she had filled them in with white."
[politics]|23:24 Allen | Mr Reid has the downtrodden air of a bus conductor at the end of a long shift. Mr McConnell is said by his detractors to resemble a turtle.
[politics]|23:24 inky says, "it occurs to me that if there were still fighting in congress that might help counteract the rising age caused by incumbent reelection"
[lounge]|23:25 DavidW comes out of the closet.
[personals]|23:25 BrenBarn says, "the caption is 'Combining my three then-favourite things: pole dancing, crochet and Super Mario Bros!'"
[personals]|23:25 BrenBarn asks, "can you imagine the photo?"
[politics]|23:25 jenrexrode says, "I see them both as turtles, I'll have to look them up"
[race]|23:25 ghira says, "How does this work elsewhere than in the UK? (Advertising rooms for rent by certain kinds of people only): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18588612 "
[politics]|23:25 maga says, "and also get the female contingent back down to sane levels"
[personals]|23:26 BrenBarn says, "after you try, check your accuracy: http://ak3.okccdn.com/php/load_okc_image.php/images/16/150x150/558x800/0x0/479x479/0/2390660519437083507.jpeg "
[personals]|23:26 inky asks, "does it involve the flagpole at the end of the level?"
[peanut-gallery]|23:26 DavidW says, "hm. Looks like half the loose items from people's homes are in the Closet. I suppose we had a guest with light fingers at one point."
[personals]|23:26 inky says, "...oh"
[personals]|23:26 inky says, "I mean, this is still pretty good"
[race]|23:26 borowski says, "I think that would violate equal housing law in the US."
[politics]|23:26 jenrexrode says, "still both turtles"
[personals]|23:26 BrenBarn says, "#race it's illegal in the US"
[race]|23:26 BrenBarn says, "it's illegal in the US"
[race]|23:27 ghira asks, "including "male", "female", "vegetarian"?"
[personals]|23:27 DavidW says, "The pic looks much better than what I was imagining."
[race]|23:27 BrenBarn says, "I think it's legal to express a gender preference if it's a shared living space situation"
[race]|23:27 Allen says (to ghira), "yes"
[race]|23:27 ghira says, "note the advice right at the end: "put the ad in a language most people won't know", "filter applicants when you get them""
[race]|23:27 Allen says, "that's very much against US laws"
[race]|23:27 Allen says, "(the law of public accomodation)"
[music]|23:27 K-Y says, "man, this would be inordinately expensive if I had to actually buy it"
[personals]|23:27 DavidW says, "(I imagined a crocheted version of Mario on a pole.)"
[music]|23:27 K-Y says, "instead, I am forced to download it all for free"
[race]|23:28 Allen says, "or, rather, it's actionable in civil court"
[race]|23:28 BrenBarn says, "also, there's this weird thing where if you own a small number of rental units, it's legal for you to discriminate in who you rent to, but not legal for you to state the discriminatory preference"
[peanut-gallery]|23:28 jenrexrode says, "I accidentally picked up everything in Dorm A, and I dropped it all in the closet"
[race]|23:28 BrenBarn says, "so, like, you can only rent to white people, you just can't SAY you'll only rent to white people"
[peanut-gallery]|23:28 DavidW says, "ah."
[race]|23:28 Allen says, "there are protected classes that are extremely against the law"
[race]|23:28 ghira says (to bb), "so a bit like the advice at the end of this article then"
[race]|23:28 Allen says, "and then there's the law of public accomodation, which is actionable for discrimination"
[peanut-gallery]|23:29 DavidW says, "I suppose I can try to move a lot of it back to where it should go."
[peanut-gallery]|23:29 jenrexrode says, "when you drop something in Dorm A, you can't see it, so I just said 'get all'"
[lounge]|23:29 borowski enters the closet to the north.
[race]|23:29 Allen says (to BrenBarn), "a pattern of discrimination against protected classes will get slapped down by by HUD"
[peanut-gallery]|23:29 DavidW says, "I guess all I really need is a room marked slippery, and then drop the stuff there."
[race]|23:30 Allen says, "though there's some ambiguity about roommate law"
[race]|23:30 BrenBarn says (to Allen), "there's an exception for if you own less than like 5 units and you live in one of the units"
[race]|23:30 Allen says, "the people-seeking-roommates law is kinda interesting"
[race]|23:30 ghira says (to allen), "people in a flatshare interviewing possible repla... timing"
[race]|23:31 BrenBarn says, "craigslist has a page about this: http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/about/FHA "
[race]|23:31 BrenBarn | Although the prohibition on discriminatory advertising applies to roommate and shared housing situations, federal Fair Housing laws do not cover the basis of decisions made by landowners who own less than four units, and live in one of the units. This means that in a situation in which a landlord owns less than four rental units, and lives in one of the units, it is legal for the owner to discriminate in the selection process based on the aforementioned categories, but it is illegal for that owner to advertise or otherwise make a statement expressing that discriminatory preference.
[race]|23:31 Allen asks (of BrenBarn), "yeah, but then there was the case in california where people were having "discriminatory" roommate-wanted postings on websites--weret he websites liable?"
[race]|23:31 BrenBarn says, "I don't know about that case"
[race]|23:31 Allen says, "ah, I bet that language comes out of that controversy"
[race]|23:31 BrenBarn says, "but I wouldn't be surprised if -- right"
[peanut-gallery]|23:32 jenrexrode says, "oh, cool"
[race]|23:32 BrenBarn says, "it's only illegal to discriminate in the adverising, not in the actual process"
[race]|23:32 ghira says, "I am pretty sure I've seen flatshares where they say "male" or "female""
[race]|23:32 Allen says, "public accomodation wouldn't cover that case at all"
[race]|23:32 BrenBarn says, "as the craigslist page notes"
[race]|23:32 ghira says, "Not so sure about race/religion."
[race]|23:32 BrenBarn | If you are advertising a shared housing unit, in which tenants will be sharing a bathroom, kitchen, or other common area, you may express a preference based upon sex only.
[race]|23:33 Allen says, "we don't know anything about the UK. All internet law postings are limited to the US"
[race]|23:33 BrenBarn says, "which is kind of messed up in itself"
[race]|23:33 Allen asks, "are there any UK legal bloggers at all?"
[race]|23:33 ghira says, "I guess"
[race]|23:33 Allen asks, "why is legal blogging worldwide completely dominated by the US?"
[lounge]|23:33 DavidW has left.
[race]|23:33 BrenBarn asks, "because we're the most litigious?"
[race]|23:33 ghira says, "There are some lawyers on the Uk crypto mailing list"
[lounge]|23:33 DavidW arrives inkyious from victor's quest.
[lounge]|23:33 DavidW enters the closet to the north.
[race]|23:34 inky says, "in the uk barristers were historically members of the upper class and so they never learned how to blog"
[race]|23:34 Allen says, "they're probably actually US bloggers and are hiding behind proxies"
[race]|23:34 maga says, "the robes make it difficult to handle a keyboard"
[law]|23:34 BrenBarn says, "speaking of legal blogs, I was reading some stuff analyzing the healthcare opinions to supposedly reveal that Roberts switched his vote at the last minute"
[race]|23:35 ghira says, "and this article quotes, renter girl, http://rentergirl.blogspot.nl/ , who sometimes says things about rental law but I don't imagine she's a lawyer unless she's said so and I haven't noticed"
[law]|23:35 inky says, "well, not just opinions"
[lounge]|23:35 borowski comes out of the closet.
[law]|23:35 inky says, "there was an actual "leak" of some kind"
[race]|23:35 Allen | It is illegal to seek a Polish architect, for example. But an employer would be able to call for an architect who speaks Polish or is familiar with Polish culture.
[lounge]|23:35 DavidW arrives inkyious from victor's quest.
[lounge]|23:36 DavidW enters the closet to the north.
[law]|23:36 BrenBarn says, "I heard that too, although I didn't see any firsthand mention of that"
[race]|23:36 Allen asks, "what if you're adding onto your apartment and want the addition to strictly follow 16c polish neogothic style?"
[race]|23:36 ghira asks, "In the US if you wrote the ad in Gujarati surely that would be ok?"
[law]|23:36 inky says, "(in quotes because it's hard to believe it wasn't one of the conservative justices behind it directly)"
[law]|23:36 BrenBarn says, "it was just 'someone heard someone heard'"
[lounge]|23:36 DavidW comes out of the closet.
[law]|23:36 inky says, "it's "sources directly familiar with the decision process told this reporter" or something"
[race]|23:36 BrenBarn says, "sure, you can write it however you want"
[law]|23:36 BrenBarn says, "yeah"
[race]|23:36 maga says (to Allen), "then you can do it as long as you don't *specify* that they need to be 500-year-old neogoths"
[race]|23:37 Allen says, "it's pretty unlikely that a single poster would incur the attention of the government"
[peanut-gallery]|23:37 DavidW says, "There. I took everything that was takeable in the Closet and sent it all to wherever 'home' is for those objects."
[law]|23:37 K-Y says, "iirc that was definitely not a 'last minute' story"
[race]|23:37 BrenBarn says, "yeah, they're not really going to go after craigslist posters who are just renting one room"
[race]|23:37 Allen says, "they'll instead go after craigslist for facilitating it commercially"
[random-requests]|23:37 jenrexrode says, "aiie, hellicopter shot from behind the blades of a wind turbine was scary"
[random-requests]|23:37 jenrexrode says, "oops"
[race]|23:37 BrenBarn says, "well, so craiglist covers their ass with all these warnings"
[race]|23:38 ghira asks, "well, could they go against newsagents / universities where this stuff appears?"
[law]|23:38 inky asks, "I dunno, it sort of was -- the claim was Roberts was originally with the conservative faction and then switched over, wasn't it?"
[race]|23:38 Allen asks, "what are these 'news agents'?"
[law]|23:38 BrenBarn says, "yeah"
[random-requests]|23:38 jenrexrode says, "I withdraw my request"
[random-requests]|23:38 borowski says, "heh"
[race]|23:38 ghira says, "it doesn't sound as though there's any likelihood anyone in the UK is planning on taking any action over this either"
[race]|23:38 BrenBarn says, "also they go after large property owners who have discriminatory policies"
[law]|23:38 K-Y says, "and stayed on that side for at least a month"
[race]|23:39 Allen asks, "wait, in the UK, do newspapers still have classified ads?"
[peanut-gallery]|23:39 borowski says, "Hooray! It's a 4th of July miracle!"
[race]|23:39 ghira says, "I guess"
[law]|23:39 BrenBarn says, "some were suggesting he actually wrote the dissenting opinion (or part of it) before switching"
[peanut-gallery]|23:39 jenrexrode says, "cool"
[lounge]|23:39 borowski enters the closet to the north.
[lounge]|23:39 jenrexrode enters the closet to the north.
[law]|23:39 Allen says, "oh yeah, go to volokh for a lot of textual speculation"
[race]|23:40 ghira says, "there's this strange ritual where a "local paper" appears on wednesdays and we put it straight in the recycling bin. maybe we should put a notice on the door saying to improve efficiency by putting it there rather than through our door"
[law]|23:40 Allen says, "and Jan Crawford, the (I think) NYT court reporter"
[law]|23:40 K-Y says, "not since Lennon-McCartney has there been this much textual speculation about 'who wrote what'"
[race]|23:40 Allen asks, "oh, a free newspaper?"
[peanut-gallery]|23:40 borowski says, "Aw, Christmas Bill O'Reilly doesn't have a home."
[law]|23:40 inky says, "ha ha"
[peanut-gallery]|23:40 jenrexrode says, "hahaha"
[race]|23:40 Allen says, "I hate those. Except they don't shove them through the mail slot. They're just left int he driveway"
[peanut-gallery]|23:41 DavidW says, "I think everything has a home."
[lounge]|23:41 DavidW enters the closet to the north.
[italy]|23:41 ghira says, "people on it.lavoro.informatica are talking about dangerous places to live such as mexico city and manila (about neither of which I know anything)"
[race]|23:41 Allen says, "so I either have to pick them up, or wait for several rains to disintegrate them"
[italy]|23:41 ghira says, "and for some reason the area around Rome's main railway station is being included"
[peanut-gallery]|23:41 DavidW says, "I can't take it. I suppose Adam locked it for some reason."
[law]|23:41 lpsmith says, "That would be awesome if Roberts wrote both the majority and the dissenting opinion."
[race]|23:41 inky says, "design the slot to funnel directly into the recycling bin"
[race]|23:41 inky says, "with a filter to keep all the other mail out"
[italy]|23:41 ghira says, "now it's a long time since i was there and yeah it was a bit scuzzy but I'd be astonished if it's become something of world-class danger"
[law]|23:41 inky says, "I was just wondering about that"
[peanut-gallery]|23:42 jenrexrode says, "I guess the closet is for christmas decorations"
[peanut-gallery]|23:42 borowski says, "All the Christmas stuff is locked."
[law]|23:42 inky says, "I suppose that after he ends up on a final side the other people are allowed to edit it, though"
[race]|23:42 ghira says, "cunning"
[peanut-gallery]|23:42 borowski says, "Tis not the season."
[law]|23:42 BrenBarn says, "yeah"
[law]|23:42 BrenBarn says, "I saw some stuff on volokh and some pages linked from there"
[law]|23:42 BrenBarn says, "some people were saying some opinions got written and then Roberts switched and people didn't have time to rewrite their opinions"
[peanut-gallery]|23:42 DavidW says, "well, it's a coincidence. The first two Christmas items are owned by Anzarvos, which I assume is Nerd42."
[law]|23:42 Allen says, "you can read about past opinion switching in other supreme-court-tell-alls, starting with Bob Woodward's Brethren in the late 70s"
[peanut-gallery]|23:43 DavidW says, "or a friend of Nerd42's."
[law]|23:43 Allen says, "like how Warren Berger switched his vote at the last moment so he could manipulate who wrote the opinion in Roe v Wade"
[law]|23:43 Allen says, "if not for that switch (the chief justice gets to assign the opinion writer), William O Douglas would have written the opinion"
[law]|23:44 BrenBarn says, "they say Earl Warren did that, although I'm not sure which cases he supposedly did it on"
[law]|23:44 Allen says, "and William O Douglas is the liberal equivalent of Clarence Thomas"
[peanut-gallery]|23:44 DavidW says, "I suppose the bell is meant to be a copy of Jota's."
[law]|23:44 inky says, "ha ha"
[law]|23:44 Allen says, "seriously. The guy who wrote opinions so far on one side that almost no one ever joined him. But he had seniority"
[UK]|23:44 ghira recaps. hm. AB doesn't need to do this, ever, does she?
[law]|23:44 BrenBarn says, "the other thing reading up on this makes you realize is, Roberts definitely looks like the nicest guy on the court"
[law]|23:44 inky says, "oh, I thought you meant his pubic hairs were on a 7-up"
[peanut-gallery]|23:45 jenrexrode says, ""cool"
[law]|23:45 BrenBarn says, "whereas Ruth Bader Ginsburg always looks like she's going to eat you"
[law]|23:45 inky says, "ha ha"
[law]|23:45 inky says, "oh, you mean in photos"
[peanut-gallery]|23:45 borowski asks, "Jota has a special bell?"
[law]|23:45 Allen says, "(Douglas was pretty cool, too. He had LOTS of wives, and traveled ALL over the world, doing things like going into the outback of persia and vietnam and other places and getting the opinions of real peasanty-type people)"
[law]|23:45 BrenBarn says, "yeah, I mean their actual appearance"
[peanut-gallery]|23:45 DavidW says, "Jota had a bell tower with a bell in it, and the pullcord was in the lounge. But some people were HUGELY annoyed with it."
[law]|23:45 inky says, "well, she is almost 80"
[law]|23:45 Allen says, "he was super traveler/hiker guy"
[peanut-gallery]|23:45 jenrexrode says, "oh, I've heard of this bell cord"
[law]|23:46 Allen says, "and very way out there absolute liberal"
[law]|23:46 inky says, "Roberts looks like kind of like a friendly dentist"
[peanut-gallery]|23:46 Gerynar asks, "did the bell not stop ringing or something?"
[law]|23:46 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[law]|23:46 inky says, "he nudges you in the ribs and says "well, let's take a look at those snappers""
[peanut-gallery]|23:46 DavidW says, "Eventually, Jota was persuaded to remove the pullcord from the lounge entirely. Even making the darn thing invisible didn't satisfy everyone; newbies still pulled it."
[law]|23:46 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[law]|23:46 Allen says, "Douglas was just like Clarence Thomas, except s/conversative conference/third world country"
[law]|23:47 BrenBarn says (to inky), "he's the guy you go to for a. . . second opinion"
[UK]|23:47 ghira says, "fwiw 4"
[law]|23:47 Allen says, "so, everyone assumes that Berger switched his vote so that Douglas's opinion on abort wouldn't be a 3-word 'It's constitutional. Bitches.'"
[law]|23:47 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|23:48 Whizzard Whizzard Whizzard! He gonna getcha! He gonna SUCK YOU DRAH!
[lounge]|23:48 Whizzard says, "heyo"
[law]|23:48 Allen says, "+ion"
[lounge]|23:48 ghira says, "whizzo"
[peanut-gallery]|23:49 Allen says, "it was mainly the hunch-backed newbies that would join the mud, then ring it repeatedly"
[peanut-gallery]|23:50 DavidW says, "I knew the lounge and toyshop channels but not the others."
[peanut-gallery]|23:50 Allen says, "I have a clause in my will donating some 16c instruments to the mud with a clause that it will only occur if the bell-pull is restored"
[peanut-gallery]|23:50 jenrexrode high-fives borowski
[peanut-gallery]|23:50 Allen says, "ok, not really. I don't have a will. But when I do, I plan to add that clause"
[peanut-gallery]|23:51 borowski does an awesome high-five return.
[peanut-gallery]|23:52 ghira says, "AB and I don't have wills. our house is in our joint names which seems to deal with that, and she's the named person on my "10 times my salary if I die" thing at work. other than that I don't know that we own anything that matters."
[peanut-gallery]|23:52 Allen says, "I don't know what's so horrible about an ascii text description of a bell ringing, vs a bird that responds everytime a question mark appears at the end of a sentence"
[peanut-gallery]|23:52 borowski says, "haha"
[peanut-gallery]|23:53 borowski says, "I guess because the bird can't help it."
[peanut-gallery]|23:53 ghira asks (of alex), "why are you less horrible than a bell?"
[peanut-gallery]|23:53 DavidW says (to Allen), "This is just my opinion, but maybe because Alex uses understandable English, and the pullcord used an obscure BONG code."
[lounge]|23:54 borowski comes out of the closet.
[peanut-gallery]|23:54 Allen says, "I think Alex is just pissed about: http://www.birdandmoon.com/evolutionsucks.html "
[peanut-gallery]|23:54 DavidW asks, "BING BONG! / Who's there? / Isabelle / Isabelle who? / Isabelle going BING BONG necessary on a mud?"
[lounge]|23:54 borowski says, "Hi Whizzard"
[movie]|23:55 Doug asks, "huh, new Wes Anderson movie.  Why don't I hear about these things ahead of time?"
[peanut-gallery]|23:55 borowski says, "Aw, Alex is a true Terror Bird."
[lounge]|23:55 DavidW comes out of the closet.
[peanut-gallery]|23:56 DavidW says, "Oh, btw, if I didn't mention it before, there's a secret passage north of the Closet."
[movie]|23:56 borowski says, "I heard about it on Fresh Air but if I hadn't caught that I wouldn't know about it."
[peanut-gallery]|23:56 Allen says, "you're not gonna trick me into going back into the closet"
[peanut-gallery]|23:56 DavidW says, "That's what got me started on this; I thought I remembered an alpaca in the bathroom, and I wanted my 15 minutes of fame."
[movie]|23:57 Doug says, "I want to subscribe to filmmakers (and actors) like I subscribe to band mailing lists"
[peanut-gallery]|23:57 Ellison says, "I don't remember this secret passage"
[lounge]|23:57 jenrexrode comes out of the closet.
[lounge]|23:57 Ellison enters the closet to the north.
[lounge]|23:57 borowski enters the closet to the north.
[lounge]|23:57 inky enters the closet to the north.
[peanut-gallery]|23:57 Ellison asks, "Curses reference?"
[lounge]|23:57 Gerynar wonders how many folks will enter the closet
[lounge]|23:58 inky comes out of the closet.
[peanut-gallery]|23:58 inky asks (of Alex), "where's the bathroom?"
[lounge]|23:58 Ellison comes out of the closet.
[peanut-gallery]|23:58 DavidW says, "If it's a ref, I don't remember it."
[peanut-gallery]|23:58 inky says, "oops"
[movie]|23:58 Doug says, "if I had the energy I'd start a startup."
[lounge]|23:58 borowski comes out of the closet.
[peanut-gallery]|23:59 borowski says, "Good to know. I've been holding it for months now."
[peanut-gallery]|23:59 DavidW asks, "Do you want to know another mini-secret of the mud?"
[peanut-gallery]|23:59 borowski says, "Of course."
[peanut-gallery]|23:59 DavidW says, "Magic phrase: banana grove"
[lounge]|23:59 Allen enters the closet to the north.
[lounge]|00:00 borowski pops over to the banana grove for a few.
[peanut-gallery]|00:00 Allen says, "I can't get in the bathroom"
[peanut-gallery]|00:00 jenrexrode says, "IRTA banana groove"
[peanut-gallery]|00:00 DavidW says, "No one can. It's always occupied."
[peanut-gallery]|00:00 inky says (to Allen), "geez, there's a line, dude"
[peanut-gallery]|00:00 borowski says, "heh"
[peanut-gallery]|00:00 Ellison says, "I didn't know about 'banana grove', but people might also not know about 'arr'"
[peanut-gallery]|00:00 Allen asks (of DavidW), "so what is in there? No one knows??"
[lounge]|00:01 Allen is known as The Deadly Brain (witnesses describe him as grey, soft and wrinkly)
[lounge]|00:01 Ellison heads east.
[peanut-gallery]|00:01 DavidW says (to Allen), "I have never been in the bathroom, and can't even be sure there is one."
[peanut-gallery]|00:01 DavidW asks (of Ellison), "Do you know about 'ook'?"
[peanut-gallery]|00:01 Ellison asks, "isn't there something that transports people to the Carousel Bar, too?"
[lounge]|00:02 jenrexrode enters the closet to the north.
[peanut-gallery]|00:02 DavidW says, "I don't know a magic way to the Carousel Bar, but that doesn't mean there isn't one."
[lounge]|00:02 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|00:03 borowski has arrived.
[lounge]|00:03 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[money]|00:04 Allen | Over the last five years this kind of risk aversion has seen gold hit record values on almost 10% of trading days.
[lounge]|00:04 jenrexrode ooks herself into the ether.
[lounge]|00:07 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[peanut-gallery]|00:07 Ellison says, "(also, 'bar' takes you to the same place as 'arr'"
[peanut-gallery]|00:07 Ellison says, ")"
[peanut-gallery]|00:08 borowski says, "Now there just needs to be a 'goat field' command."
[peanut-gallery]|00:08 DavidW says, "(pirate bar;space bar;bar;arr;space arr;spacearr)"
[lounge]|00:08 jenrexrode says, "gee"
[lounge]|00:08 jenrexrode pops over to the banana grove for a few.
[lounge]|00:08 ghira says, "jenster"
[peanut-gallery]|00:08 DavidW asks (of borowski), "And we'd get there by 'baa'?"
[peanut-gallery]|00:09 borowski says, "Yes, when you feel the call of the goat stirring within."
[peanut-gallery]|00:10 jenrexrode asks, "hey, how'd i get in this carousel bar?"
[lounge]|00:10 borowski says, "Jen is busy traveling through time and space."
[lounge]|00:10 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|00:10 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[peanut-gallery]|00:10 jenrexrode says, "what a weird coincidence"
[peanut-gallery]|00:11 DavidW asks, "I dunno. How *did* you get there?"
[shopping]|00:11 Allen | Maybe the rise of price-customisation software will spawn rival apps that help consumers defeat it, by disguising their trail of clicks. In the meantime, online shoppers might look at ways to avoid appearing like moneybags. Surf on a PC, not an Apple. Start by visiting a price-comparison site, then--on arrival on a seller's site--feign interest in its cheapest stuff. Having made your choice, dawdle on your way to the checkout page.
[peanut-gallery]|00:11 DavidW says, "I saw you leave for the banana grove."
[peanut-gallery]|00:11 jenrexrode says, "dorm a, n, u"
[lounge]|00:11 borowski lights out for the west.
[shopping]|00:11 Allen says, "clearly, the next round of CAPTCHAs should involve haggling over the price"
[peanut-gallery]|00:11 DavidW says, "oh, that's the normal way to get to the Carousel Bar."
[lounge]|00:11 borowski arrives from the west with fresh air in his lungs and the wind in his hair.
[lounge]|00:11 borowski heads east.
[peanut-gallery]|00:12 DavidW says, " http://ifwiki.org/index.php/File:Simple_ifmud_map.png "
[shopping]|00:12 Allen says, "the next generation after that would have autohaggling a la moria"
[lounge]|00:13 jenrexrode arrives from the east.
[lounge]|00:13 jenrexrode says, "whew"
[lounge]|00:14 borowski arrives from the east.
[lounge]|00:14 borowski says (to jenrexrode), "Traveling through time and space can be taxing."
[lounge]|00:14 DavidW says, "yeah, take a Kit-Kat break."
[lounge]|00:14 jenrexrode says, "i'm still turned around"
[band-name]|00:14 inky says, "Autohaggle"
[peanut-gallery]|00:15 jenrexrode asks, "where is the cemetery?"
[lounge]|00:16 ghira says, "man kit-kat breaks"
[lounge]|00:16 jenrexrode says, "yum"
[lounge]|00:16 ghira says, "that was a bizarre customer request"
[peanut-gallery]|00:16 DavidW says, "The cemetery is sorta east of Edifice Towers."
[lounge]|00:17 ghira says, ""Our network is down at (site). Please send a field engineer, but make sure he doesn't arrive between 11:15 and 11:30. That's when we have our kit-kats.""
[peanut-gallery]|00:17 jenrexrode says, "I went there once"
[peanut-gallery]|00:17 DavidW says, "I think there's a way to get to it going west as well,"
[peanut-gallery]|00:17 jenrexrode says, "oh i remember, I have a magic clicker"
[lounge]|00:17 ghira viciously vents some frustrations on ghira.
[peanut-gallery]|00:17 jenrexrode says, "it takes me to a hut"
[lounge]|00:18 jenrexrode says, "wow"
[peanut-gallery]|00:18 DavidW asks, "whose hut? Lurd's?"
[peanut-gallery]|00:18 jenrexrode says, "markm"
[lounge]|00:18 ghira says, "Maybe that's the kind of place York is."
[lounge]|00:18 jenrexrode says, "they shoul dhave peppermint patties"
[lounge]|00:19 DavidW heads off to visit markm's Mountain Trail.
[lounge]|00:20 borowski arrives from the east.
[lounge]|00:21 DavidW arrives from the east.
[shopping]|00:21 Allen asks, "do we have any dead mudders yet?"
[peanut-gallery]|00:21 Allen asks, "do we have any dead mudders yet?"
[peanut-gallery]|00:21 Doug says, "you sound impatient"
[peanut-gallery]|00:22 jenrexrode says, "heh heh"
[peanut-gallery]|00:22 DavidW says, "no, we have one."
[lounge]|00:22 vaporware manages to completely ignore coal, which is cheap like borscht.
[peanut-gallery]|00:22 Allen says, "on nannymud, we had a prominant player die about 10 years ago. He drowned, in Norway. Maybe with alcohol involved"
[peanut-gallery]|00:22 borowski says, "Man, this place is bigger on the inside than it looks on the outside."
[lounge]|00:22 jenrexrode says, "hi vw"
[peanut-gallery]|00:22 Allen says, "anyway, he was still logged into the mud for nearly 2 days"
[lounge]|00:22 vaporware says, "ahoy"
[peanut-gallery]|00:22 Allen says, "and the idle message back then was 'So-and-so is so idle they're probably dead in RL'"
[peanut-gallery]|00:22 inky says, "agh"
[peanut-gallery]|00:23 ghira says, ""whomet fee""
[peanut-gallery]|00:23 Allen says, "that got changed"
[lounge]|00:23 Ellison says, "hey vaporware. thought I had something to ask you about, but it may have just been about that t-shirt site (which I have already asked you about)."
[peanut-gallery]|00:23 DavidW says, "Sarcasmo (Star Foster)."
[peanut-gallery]|00:23 jenrexrode says, "oh my"
[peanut-gallery]|00:24 BrenBarn says, "man"
[peanut-gallery]|00:24 vaporware asks, "I guess Panks never logged in here, did he?"
[lounge]|00:24 Ghogg eat beans. Beans taste good. Num num num. Why violence in streets?
[lounge]|00:24 jenrexrode drops Sarcasm Detector.
[peanut-gallery]|00:24 DavidW says, "I don't Panks was ever on the mud, but he is dead, yes."
[peanut-gallery]|00:24 Ellison says, "one of ddyte's friends was on here for a little bit (and died some years later)"
[spam]|00:25 vaporware | How are you doing today? I am very sorry to intrude, My name is Chris Morgan a 62 year old retired shrewd business man.
[spam]|00:25 vaporware | I am willing to offer financial assistance to good citizens of America who are in need, provided you can follow my terms and conditions.
[spam]|00:25 vaporware | I am just trying to give back to the society. write me back if you are interested.
[spam]|00:26 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[cycling]|00:31 jenrexrode says, "bah, I knew it"
[lounge]|00:32 jenrexrode arrives from the east.
[ads]|00:33 DavidW | "The greatest necessity of the age! Gayetty's medicated paper for the water-closet."
[ads]|00:35 DavidW says, "Apparently, toilet paper wasn't always in a roll; there have also been flat sheets."
[ads]|00:35 ghira says, "sure"
[ads]|00:36 DavidW says, "It's just that I never thought about alternative paper modes for toilet paper."
[ads]|00:36 vaporware says, "The worst was that computer toilet paper where you had to tear the sides off before flushing it."
[ads]|00:37 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|00:38 nothings arrives and is in the mood for a little smackerel of conversation.
[cycling]|00:38 jenrexrode exclaims, "wow been watching this for nearly 4 hours!"
[cycling]|00:39 jenrexrode says, "and it's almost time to watch it again"
[ads]|00:39 DavidW says, "Apparently some people think more about toilet paper than I realized: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper_orientation "
[ads]|00:40 borowski says, "I haven't not been able to think about toilet paper orientation since it was mentioned on the Simpons."
[ads]|00:41 borowski | Child Protection Agent scrutinizing the Simpson's home, "Toilet paper hung in improper overhand fashion."
[peanut-gallery]|00:42 Allen says (to DavidW), "yeah, I've had travelling toilet paper"
[peanut-gallery]|00:42 Allen says, "comes in a little palstic container. You pull out sheets"
[peanut-gallery]|00:43 DavidW says, "huh"
[peanut-gallery]|00:43 Allen says, "though, haven't seen that in a few years"
[peanut-gallery]|00:43 jenrexrode says, "I think it's called cotton something"
[peanut-gallery]|00:43 inky says, "you can also use wipes which come in a similar container"
[peanut-gallery]|00:43 Allen says, "it's hard enough these days just to find toothpast in tiny containers"
[peanut-gallery]|00:44 jenrexrode says, "cotton bud"
[peanut-gallery]|00:44 borowski says, "I wonder if a dentist would sell you some."
[peanut-gallery]|00:45 DavidW says, "hm, I wonder if there are stores that specialize in travel items. Mini-bottles of mouthwash, luggage, maps, coin purses, and so on."
[peanut-gallery]|00:46 borowski says, "Hotels always seem to have mini-things too. There must be tiny factories somewhere."
[peanut-gallery]|00:46 jenrexrode says, "hehe"
[peanut-gallery]|00:46 jenrexrode says, "target had a good section last time I was in the market for that stuff"
[pizza]|00:47 Allen | Duncan Brannan, Voice Of Chuck E. Cheese, Fired, Hopes People 'Experienced Jesus Christ' Through His Life
[pizza]|00:47 inky says, "uh"
[pizza]|00:48 Allen says, "oh man, how he learned, too:"
[pizza]|00:48 Allen | Duncan Brannan, the actor that gave voice to that mouse-rat thing in the Chuck E. Cheese ads, was unceremoniously fired by the company that's employed him for 19 years, the Dallas Observer reports (h/t Gawker). Brannan realized that he had been replaced after listening to a commercial featuring the company's mascot with a voice he knew wasn't his.
[pizza]|00:48 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[peanut-gallery]|00:48 DavidW says, "like, there's going to be one weekend when you want a collapsible mug and a frying pan and cutlery kit that occupies a small space in your knapsack. It'd be a shame not to be able to find that item when shopping for it."
[pizza]|00:49 vaporware says, "He did help a lot of kids pray to the porcelain god."
[pizza]|00:49 Allen says, "he writes:"
[pizza]|00:49 Allen |     If being the voice of Chuck E. Cheese for any length of time has meant anything to me, it was never about a paycheck because God will always provide for His children in one way or another. No. What it was about, what my sincere hope is that you -- you Fans, you parents, and all you kids who have loved Chuck E. Cheese over the years -- have seen, heard, or experienced Jesus Christ in and through my life in some way.
[pizza]|00:49 nothings asks, "chuck e cheeses still exist?"
[pizza]|00:49 DavidW says, "yes. There's one in our town."
[pizza]|00:49 jenrexrode says (to vw), "heh"
[pizza]|00:50 Ellison says, "chuck e cheese is surprisingly successful to this day."
[pizza]|00:50 DavidW says, "I've never eaten in one, but I know it's there."
[pizza]|00:50 nothings asks, "chuck e cheeses still exist in America?"
[pizza]|00:51 vaporware says, "There are two just in San Jose."
[pizza]|00:51 nothings says, "huh"
[pizza]|00:51 inky says, "I remember thinking they went out of business and then they started showing up again"
[pizza]|00:51 jenrexrode says, "i think when I was a kid, it was Showbiz Pizza, but now it's ChuckECheese"
[pizza]|00:51 Allen says, "sure they still exist. Just youtube search "chuck e cheese parents brawl""
[pizza]|00:52 DavidW says, "goodness"
[pizza]|00:53 Ellison says, "yeah, we get parent brawls around here a lot (well, not recently, but there were several of them in a stretch for a while)."
[pizza]|00:53 DavidW |For its part, Chuck E. Cheese?s is not amused by parents who treat its restaurants like WWF pay-per-view events.
[pizza]|00:54 Allen says, "the company I worked for in 1999-2000 had two halloween party events there"
[pizza]|00:54 Allen says, "they sold really, really, really, REALLY cheap bad beer"
[pizza]|00:54 Allen says, "like $1 a pitcher beer"
[pizza]|00:55 Allen says, "it wasn't even branded. It was just "beer""
[pizza]|00:56 Allen says, "mostly I remember the arcade games. They had an arcade game where you're a fireman holding a hose and putting out fires"
[pizza]|00:56 Allen says, "that was the scene of many suggestive photos by coworkers"
[pizza]|00:56 vaporware says, "huh, probably OEM PBR."
[pizza]|00:57 Allen says, "the best part was we got lots of videogame tokens. They're the standard brass tokens"
[pizza]|00:58 Allen says, "the building where we worked had a special executive parking section for fancy visitors, right out front by the elevator. It required a special brass token to park for free"
[pizza]|00:58 Allen says, "I parked there for weeks after the Chuck E Cheese party"
[lounge]|01:00 Tale displays his humanitarian side by placing a suppressor on his pistol when shooting in front of a Hospital Quiet Zone.
[lounge]|01:00 Tale says, "Good morning"
[lounge]|01:02 Ellison says, "good morning, Tale"
[law]|01:02 Allen says, "tara carreon again tonight!"
[law]|01:02 Allen | But the fact is, there are a LOT of corrupt lawyers and judges. I've seen a lot of them in my legal experience. In addition to the slimebags Ken at Popehat and Marc Randazza at The Legal Satyricon, Indiegogo, Inman, The American Cancer Society, The American Wildlife Fund, and Public Citizen, all have corrupt lawyers working for them. Every lawyer who is associated with Matt Inman and his gang of thieves. I would advise that no one ever give another penny to any of these entities. They took advantage of the court filing system being down for three days when Charles was trying to file the Temporary Restraining Order, a downage that I would not at all be surprised if it wasn't caused by Inman's gang of anonymous hackers, and the judge being on vacation, to end-run the TRO and transfer the money to Inman on Friday
[firearms]|01:03 Tale asks, "I am still thinking about this open carry thing from yesterday. How common is that?"
[law]|01:03 Allen | And to Public Citizen's lawyer Paul Levy: Fuck you very much for filing a lawsuit on behalf of a cybersquatter's right to cybersquat, you corrupt fuck.
[firearms]|01:03 Allen says, "really? uncommon, but not anything anyone worries about"
[law]|01:04 DavidW asks, "goodness, where and when does this end?"
[firearms]|01:04 Allen says, "except for the occasional goverment police officer who thinks they're god"
[law]|01:05 K-Y says, "you know how a joke starts to get less funny as you continue to repeat it, then eventually hits a point where it gets hilarious again"
[law]|01:05 K-Y says, "yeah"
[law]|01:05 Allen | I hope all these corrupt lawyers die in hell.  But that doesn't mean that EVERY lawyer is corrupt. There are plenty of good lawyers working for the public good. It's nice to know who they are. One of them is Charles Carreon.
[law]|01:05 DavidW asks, "Can't anyone should him a mirror or something so he can see for himself how he sounds?"
[law]|01:05 DavidW says, "er show him a mirror"
[law]|01:06 nothings says, "well, hopefully he will eventually Jack Thompson his way into disbarrment or something"
[law]|01:06 Allen says, "That would be sad, if it happens too soon. Jack Thompson provided years of entertainment."
[pizza]|01:07 jenrexrode says (to Allen), "hah hah"
[law]|01:08 borowski asks, "Wait, why does he think cybersquatting should be illegal?"
[law]|01:10 borowski says, "Huh, I guess it is illegal."
[law]|01:10 Allen says, "it's about: http://charles-carreon.com/ "
[law]|01:11 borowski says, "Ah."
[snacks]|01:11 jenrexrode | http://www.buzzfeed.com/akdobbins/how-to-make-a-giant-kit-kat
[law]|01:11 Allen says, "which is slightly tiresome, because the Carreons parody themselves far better than any satirist could ever do"
[lounge]|01:12 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|01:12 * K-Y has disconnected.
[lounge]|01:16 Doug goes home.
[lounge]|01:17 borowski says, "Oh crud, it's gotten late once again."
[lounge]|01:17 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|01:17 * Emily has disconnected.
[lounge]|01:17 borowski says, "Night"
[lounge]|01:17 borowski's father was a philatelist.
[lounge]|01:17 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|01:17 Ghogg goes home.
[lounge]|01:21 maga's studied dalliance with his venal muses is little to our taste.
[race]|01:24 ghira says, "belatedly newsagents are places that sell newspapers. and milk. and chocolate. and probably a few other things."
[race]|01:25 ghira says, "and often have notice boards with hand-written ads stuck on them"
[apropos-of-nothing]|01:34 McMartin says, "IN A WORLD WHERE FASTER THAN LIGHT TRAVEL RENDERS TRADITIONAL NOTIONS OF SIMULTANEITY MEANINGLESS, ONE MAN DARES TO BREAK THE RULES"
[apropos-of-nothing]|01:36 DavidW says, "One woman too : http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2657#comic "
[apropos-of-nothing]|01:37 McMartin says, "Excellent"
[whiz-games]|01:37 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]|01:37 Whizzard says, "Man, quiet night tonight."
[books]|01:42 Tale says, "The depressing thing about sorting my books is discovering how many of them I still mean to read, but haven't done so"
[books]|01:43 Ellison says, "well, it's like books are your livelihood... er, dang"
[books]|01:44 Tale says, "A whole shelf is now reserved for "Books I still mean to read""
[lucence]|01:44 Lucea says, "so I'm going to boston friday night after all, sigh"
[lucence]|01:44 Ellison asks, "the sigh is because cool things are starting earlier?"
[lucence]|01:44 Tale asks, "What's so bad about Boston?"
[books]|01:45 BrenBarn says, "the thing is it takes so little time to buy a book and so long to read it"
[books]|01:45 Tale says (to Ellison), "I don't work in the shop anymore"
[books]|01:45 Tale says, "I've now made a pledge to myself to only buy a new book once I've finished an old one"
[books]|01:46 Ellison says, "they should start selling people books one page at a time, so people like Tale don't take it for granted"
[books]|01:48 Tale says (to ellison), "Life is a book tzhat's sold to you, one page at a time"
[books]|01:48 BrenBarn says, "that's deep, dude"
[books]|01:48 DavidW says, "Those are called 'serials'. Some newspapers used to include them."
[books]|01:49 Tale says, "Once you get married, it becomes a watered-down movie version. More flashy, more comfortable, but also more empty."
[books]|01:51 Tale says (to davidW), "They still do it here. They take an actual novel and release it in daily bits."
[books]|01:54 Tale says, "I guess the main problem is, as always time. Now that I don't spend an hour a day in buses, I need to find another reading spot."
[books]|01:55 DavidW says, "I think 'the reading room' is sometimes a rare euphemism for the bathroom."
[books]|01:56 Tale says, "Hah"
[iPhone]|01:59 jenrexrode says, "I like doing refills with the walgreens app with the scanner"
[iPhone]|02:03 jenrexrode says, "even if it took 10 scans"
[iPhone]|02:03 jenrexrode says, "it was too sensitive, and was picking up just one side before I could line up the whole bar code"
[lounge]|02:15 vaporware vows never to return again, as he leads a rumba line out of the lounge after setting the place on fire.
[lounge]|02:16 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|02:16 * Hugo has disconnected.
[mozilla]|02:19 DavidW says, "drat. I've managed to make the darn thing hang again."
[names]|02:21 Ellison says, "dang, newest spam account on our Hugo by Example wiki:"
[names]|02:21 Ellison says, "SchooleyHollister640"
[names]|02:23 inky says, "you got schooleyed"
[names]|02:23 DavidW says, "Sounds like you inherited the spammer that was bugging ifwiki."
[names]|02:23 Ellison says, "that one goes on my list: http://hugo.gerynarsabode.org/index.php?title=Roody%27s_Favorite_Spambot_Names "
[whiz-games]|02:23 Whizzard says, "Hmm. Alright. DCR."
[whiz-games]|02:23 Whizzard says, "I actually want to crank on it tonight."
[names]|02:24 Tale says, "For the next Speed, everyone chooses a name from this list and a game title from nitku's name generator"
[names]|02:24 Ellison says, "I imagine there are some bots that just target all mediawikis out there. luckily, the problem isn't quite as bad as it could be."
[whiz-games]|02:25 Whizzard says, "So, let's see..."
[whiz-games]|02:25 Whizzard says, "I've got..."
[whiz-games]|02:25 Whizzard says, "15 inventory items."
[whiz-games]|02:26 Whizzard says, "Furs, horse, shield, spear, bow, dugout, skis, machete, rope, snare, herbs, torch, tent, waterskin, and spiritweed."
[whiz-games]|02:27 Whizzard says, "I've divided challenges up into body, mind, and heart."
[whiz-games]|02:27 DavidW says, "That last line sounds like ElfQuest."
[names]|02:28 Tale asks, "Don't you have a captcha?"
[names]|02:28 Ellison says (to Tale), "that is a bad idea as every game would automatically get to the final round of the XYZZY Awards"
[whiz-games]|02:28 Whizzard says, "I'd say spirit instead of heart, but I've already used spirits as a different game term."
[whiz-games]|02:28 Whizzard says, "So this way is just easier."
[names]|02:29 Ellison says, "no, we don't have a captcha, and I can't find a way to limit the rights of random-user more than they already are"
[whiz-games]|02:29 Whizzard says, "Beyond that, there are basically 5 levels of difficulty."
[whiz-games]|02:29 Whizzard says, "Very easy, easy, average, hard, very hard."
[whiz-games]|02:29 Whizzard says, "On 3d6, they are 9+, 11+, 13+, 15+, and 17+."
[names]|02:30 Tale | Rybread Celsius Can't Date
[whiz-games]|02:30 Whizzard says, "The TNs would be 2 pts lower, but every player can 'flip' one of the 3 differently-colored dice over if they want (trait specialty), giving an average boost of ~2."
[whiz-games]|02:32 Whizzard says, "So, I've got a 'cycle' of 90 cards set up for the challenge deck."
[whiz-games]|02:32 Whizzard says, "30 heart, 30 mind, and 30 body."
[whiz-games]|02:33 Whizzard says, "There are 3 of each category at the very easy and very hard level."
[whiz-games]|02:33 Whizzard says, "6 at the easy and hard, and 12 at the average."
[whiz-games]|02:34 Whizzard says, "In addition, 1 in 3 challenges has a "shadow" on it."
[whiz-games]|02:34 Whizzard says, "These take effect when a 'snake eye' is rolled on the Darkness die at the end of any player's turn. They basically corrupt the land."
[whiz-games]|02:35 Whizzard says, "So, I've got the big picture challenge stuff in place, for the most part."
[names]|02:35 Tale says, "Eaton Goldenhun is a great name"
[whiz-games]|02:35 Whizzard says, "But now I need to make a list of possible penalties and rewards."
[whiz-games]|02:36 Whizzard says, "Let's see, penalties first."
[whiz-games]|02:36 Whizzard says, "There's, lose a WOUND, anger 1 of the 4 WINDS..."
[whiz-games]|02:37 Whizzard says, "Hmm, lose a REWARD token."
[whiz-games]|02:37 Whizzard says, "SHADOW tokens can be added to the board."
[whiz-games]|02:37 inky says, "lose your inventory"
[whiz-games]|02:38 Whizzard says, "Yeah, Lose an ITEM"
[whiz-games]|02:38 inky says, "get teleported somewhere else"
[whiz-games]|02:38 Whizzard says, "Return to the Village, maybe."
[whiz-games]|02:38 inky asks, "are bones an item?"
[whiz-games]|02:38 Whizzard says, "They're more like $$."
[whiz-games]|02:38 Whizzard says, "So lose BONES would be separate, yeah."
[metafilter]|02:39 inky says, "best question, or very best question? http://ask.metafilter.com/219111/No-results-for-human-shot-by-monkey "
[whiz-games]|02:39 Whizzard says, "In more severe cases....DIE, ROLL THE DARKNESS DIE..."
[whiz-games]|02:40 Whizzard says, "Oh, and BAD EVENT"
[whiz-games]|02:40 Whizzard says, "That seems like most of everything I can think of."
[whiz-games]|02:41 Whizzard says, "So, rewards...."
[whiz-games]|02:41 Whizzard says, "Gain a REWARD token. REVEAL a REWARD token, REVEAL a CHALLENGE..."
[whiz-games]|02:42 Whizzard says, "REMOVE a SHADOW"
[whiz-games]|02:42 inky asks, "the deal with reveal is it lets you see what a challenge is so you can decide whether to face it?"
[whiz-games]|02:42 Whizzard says, "GAIN an ITEM"
[whiz-games]|02:43 Whizzard says, "Yeah, or it turns a reward token faceup so you can see if you want to pick it when gaining a reward."
[whiz-games]|02:43 Whizzard says, "GAIN BONES"
[whiz-games]|02:43 Whizzard says, "GOOD EVENT"
[lounge]|02:44 jenrexrode wanders off.
[whiz-games]|02:44 inky says, "I guess in theory a challenge failure could be that you shuffle a face-up challenge back into the deck and replace it with a face-down one"
[whiz-games]|02:44 inky says, "or maybe that could be a success, if there's some tough challenge you don't want t face"
[whiz-games]|02:45 Whizzard says, "Hmm, could be either. I'll make a note."
[lounge]|02:45 * ghira has disconnected.
[lounge]|02:45 * ghira has connected.
[lounge]|02:45 ghira says, "meep"
[whiz-games]|02:45 inky asks, "what are the areas on the board that in the previous mockup had the funny text on them?"
[lounge]|02:45 Ellison says, "hey ghira"
[lounge]|02:45 ghira says, "hellison"
[whiz-games]|02:45 inky asks, "are those events?"
[whiz-games]|02:46 Whizzard asks, "The environments?"
[whiz-games]|02:46 inky says, "oh, environments"
[whiz-games]|02:46 inky says, "because presumably a reward or penalty could involve manipulating those"
[whiz-games]|02:46 Whizzard says, "Yeah."
[whiz-games]|02:47 Whizzard says, "Ok, that's a pretty good pool of options."
[whiz-games]|02:48 Whizzard says, "Next, deciding what reward tokens are."
[whiz-games]|02:49 Whizzard says, "So, I have in mind at least 2 possible win conditions."
[finance]|02:49 ghira says, "bob diamond (barclays guy) has resigned, according to bbc"
[whiz-games]|02:49 Whizzard says, "And obviously, a chunk of rewards must tie into those."
[finance]|02:49 ghira says, "I thought he was trying very hard not to do that"
[whiz-games]|02:50 Whizzard says, "Win Path 1 is war. You fight and defeat Darkness."
[whiz-games]|02:50 Whizzard says, "I'm thinking that involves special weapons."
[whiz-games]|02:51 Whizzard says, "Weapons of Light, prolly, since, you know...Darkness."
[whiz-games]|02:52 Whizzard says, "I'm not precisely sure how the final battle works yet."
[whiz-games]|02:52 Whizzard says, "But I have the idea that more weapons = better."
[whiz-games]|02:53 Whizzard says, "Anyhow, Win Path 2 is ...creation? You forge a new, better sun to drive off Darkness."
[lounge]|02:54 Ellison says, "later!"
[lounge]|02:54 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|02:54 * Ellison has disconnected.
[lounge]|02:54 * Tale has disconnected.
[lounge]|02:54 * Tale has connected.
[whiz-games]|02:54 Whizzard says, "And to do that you have to collect a certain number of sunstones."
[whiz-games]|02:55 Whizzard says, "Not sure if anything else is involved there..."
[whiz-games]|02:55 Whizzard says, "And I'd like Win Path 3 to be Peace. You make peace with Darkness and he gives back the sun."
[metafilter]|02:56 * Tale has joined the channel.
[whiz-games]|02:58 Whizzard says, "Hmmm..."
[lounge]|03:04 Gunther's voice is husky, like dark melted chocolate fudge caramel... or something.
[lounge]|03:04 Gunther says, "re"
[lounge]|03:04 ghira says, "gun..gun...gunther"
[lounge]|03:04 Tale says, "The man behind the legend"
[travel]|03:04 ghira says, "pah. Australian passport photo requirements annoyingly different from UK ones"
[lounge]|03:04 Gunther says, "hark the angels sing"
[whiz-games]|03:06 Whizzard says, "I need to sit down and design the endings of the game."
[whiz-games]|03:12 Gunther devours the eternal sun
[whiz-games]|03:12 Gunther says, "er, I mean, recaps. I always get those mixed up"
[drwho]|03:14 Tale says, "I shouldn't have looked up s6 after forgetting more of it."
[lounge]|03:14 marc in the land of the lounge lizards.
[drwho]|03:14 Gunther says, "QQ I don't want to go"
[lounge]|03:15 marc says, "morning"
[lounge]|03:15 Gunther says, "m*rc"
[drwho]|03:16 Tale asks, "They made a running joke in the series into a plot point?"
[drwho]|03:16 Gunther says, "I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about"
[drwho]|03:16 Gunther says, "not even which season 6"
[lounge]|03:16 marc says, "ballad of the well known gunther"
[drwho]|03:16 Tale says, ",,gunther The first question!"
[iPhone]|03:17 marc says, "ordered this, http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003XU6KV2/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 "
[iPhone]|03:17 marc says, "the other case is annoying; plastic border around screen reduces usability"
[whiz-games]|03:19 Whizzard says, "Ok, so let's see..."
[lounge]|03:20 inky says, "bed at last"
[lounge]|03:20 inky got credit for creating Common and the concept of money, for generating lots of art and literature, and for being the very best at killing his enemies.
[drwho]|03:21 boucher says, "Well, minus the whole 'silence will fall' thing and the lampshady use of the show's title, that was actually the point of the Cartmel Masterplan as well.  There's always been a subplot in the series asking who he is, why he's so evasive about it, and in what way is he different from and more special than other Time Lords."
[drwho]|03:22 boucher says, "So while it's cheesy to have them beating us over the head with 'Doctor Who', it's a fair plot device."
[whiz-games]|03:23 Whizzard says, "So, if the players decide to kill Darkness, there should be randomness to it, and it should get harder the further the sun has been swallowed."
[lounge]|03:27 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 869 of 3763 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Tuesday,  3 Jul 2012, 03:27:10 AM EDT
Rob says, "blrp"
[drwho] Tale says, "I hope they are aware that they can't come up with a satisfying solution after building up to it for 50 years"
Rob says, "and just missing inky again"
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[drwho]/001 borowski says, "Wow, The Green Death is a long serial (2 1/2 hours)."
[drwho]/002 borowski says, "It's pretty good so far though."
[drwho]/003 boucher says, "Yeah, it was a decent one"
[drwho]/004 jenrexrode says, "cool, I've never watched dr who that didn't appear on my TV."
[drwho]/005 borowski says (to jenrexrode), "With Netflix you can watch all the Dr. Who you want :)"
[drwho]/006 boucher says, "Also, it was the first Pertwee serial my PBS station had a copy of in color, giving its title as well as its contents more poignancy."
[drwho]/007 borowski says, "I was surprised to see the 3rd Doctor doing some ass kicking."
[drwho]/008 jenrexrode says, "yeaj, I'm too lame"
[drwho]/009 boucher says, "The Third Doctor did a lot of asskicking.  He remains in my mind the 'Action Doctor'"
[drwho]/010 boucher says, "He was all about car chases and kung-fu chops"
[drwho]/011 borowski says, "I had only watched a couple of serials with him and I thought he was stuffy and aloof but now I'm liking him more."
[drwho]/012 borowski says, "I can't remember if I mentioned watching The Waters of Mars, but I thought that was really good."
[drwho]/013 boucher says, "Pertwee was a bit of a vehicle nut, so they had to add the occasional car chase to appease him, which extended in later epsiodes to giving him his own hovercar and miniplane IIRC (only via special effects, though)"
[drwho]/014 jenrexrode says, "probably not-so-special"
[drwho]/015 boucher says, "Yeah, it was pretty decent"
[drwho]/016 borowski says, "The monster of the week was so so, but the speech the Doctor gave while he was in the airlock was moving."
[drwho]/017 boucher says, "It was the early days of CSO, so everything had a shimmering outline when they used it"
[drwho]/018 jenrexrode asks, "oh, so better than the puppet bad guys?"
[drwho]/019 jenrexrode says, "I vaguely remember an evil potted plant"
[drwho]/020 borowski says, "Yeah, I wonder what caused that."
[drwho]/021 boucher says, "Evil-brand fertilizer, ask for it by name"
[drwho]/022 borowski says, "Oh, I was talking about the Waters of Mars, as far as the speech in the airlock."
[drwho]/023 boucher says, "One of the more infamous 'monsters' of the Pertwee era in my mind was the time a man was eaten by an inflatable chair."
[drwho]/024 borowski says, "That's a newish one so the effects are pretty good."
[drwho]/025 jenrexrode says, "I'm not watching waters of mars again, unless there's some kind of monetary or social payoff"
[drwho]/026 boucher says, "My memory is poor, so I can't get a fix on what you're referring to."
[drwho]/027 ghira says, "one of the auton stories has man being eaten by chair"
[drwho]/028 boucher says (to ghira), "Yes, I know.  That was what I was referring to"
[drwho]/029 boucher says, "O"
[drwho]/030 borowski says, "When the Doctor is about to leave the station and is telling the captain about her fate and then he has decided if he is going to help out or not."
[drwho]/031 ghira says (to boucher), "I know you know"
[drwho]/032 boucher says, "I'm trying to remember the airlock speech."
[drwho]/033 ghira says (to boucher), "I thought boro was referring to that not speech, sorry"
[drwho]/034 borowski says, "He's already wearing his space suit and they are fighting off the monsters."
[drwho]/035 boucher says, "Ah"
[drwho]/036 borowski says, "I found it pretty moving but I'm also a sap."
[drwho]/037 boucher says, "Heh, I've been having a tour of sappy Doctor Who moments recently myself"
[drwho]/038 borowski says, "I thought David Tennant did a good job of doing a complete emotional 180 at the end without it being corny."
[drwho]/039 boucher says, "Once upon a time, I didn't get suckered into emotional bits, but now I do."
[drwho]/040 boucher says, "Mm...that was moving, but it got a bit much for me."
[drwho]/041 borowski says, "I've found myself being able to separate corny monsters from the good bits."
[drwho]/042 boucher says, "I mean, there's saying goodbye, and then there's taking a 5-year victory lap"
[drwho]/043 borowski says, "Yeah."
[drwho]/044 Tale says, "The end was far too overwrought."
[drwho]/045 borowski says, "Well, I thought it was signaling that The End of Time was going to be really deep..."
[drwho]/046 borowski says, "And then, not so much."
[drwho]/047 Tale says, "Even Baker with his 7/8 year tenure had the decency to just fall off that thing, say goodbye and regenerate."
[drwho]/048 boucher says, "4 and 5's regeneration scenes were about right for me."
[drwho]/049 borowski says, "Oh yeah, the regeneration was ridiculous."
[drwho]/050 Tale says, "I must say I liked his line "I don't want to go" That was fitting to his character"
[drwho]/051 borowski says, "Yeah, I had never thought that regeneration was like dying."
[drwho]/052 boucher says, "I'm not sure how I feel about New Who's whole 'you regenerate, then cough up magic dust for a few days, during which anything's possible before settling down' addition"
[drwho]/053 boucher says, "I guess I can deal with ti"
[drwho]/054 boucher says, "it"
[drwho]/055 Tale says, "One difference I noticed is that New Who makes far too much fuss about the fact that the doctor is the all-powerfull 900 years old chap"
[drwho]/056 Tale says, "Whereas in old Who there was far more unintental bumbling and real terror"
[drwho]/057 boucher says, "Well, but the end of the past season actually takes that and runs with it, making it clear that firstly, that was a change from who he used to be, and secondly, you can't do that without turning the entire universe against you."
[drwho]/058 boucher says, "And so, seemingly ending with the conclusion that he needs to start keeping his head down and being inconspicuous, I hope that signals a return to small-time Doctor Who, where he travels around, getting into trouble, but not intentionally boasting about it."
[drwho]/059 Tale says, "Looking back, 11th doctor seasons were mainly very confusing for me."
[drwho]/060 Tale says, "I couldn't connect to anything, because I was mainly scratching my head."
[drwho]/061 boucher says, "Really?  It seems reasonably straightforward, having rewatched a good handful of them recently."
[drwho]/062 Tale says, "I find the overarching plot confusing. Not really confusing, but I couldn't connect to it meaningful."
[drwho]/063 Tale says, "And the trick for who LIke Silencio thing seems cheap."
[drwho]/064 Tale says, ""For who" should "for the whole""
[drwho]/065 boucher says, "It was mildly cheap, but I'll take that over an RTD ending any day."
[drwho]/066 boucher says, "At least we were given some meaningful clues by a man who has some concept of what foreshadowing is."
[drwho]/067 boucher says, "He may lay it on a bit thick, and like tying things together a bit much, but I'll forgive it because when he wants to be subtly clever, he can do that too."
[drwho]/068 Tale says, "Sure, he's a whole different league then RTD. And he made the doctor alien again."
[drwho]/069 boucher says, "'A thing remembered is never truly gone' may only be a shade away from the clap if you believe in Time Lords solution to de-Dobbyizing the Doctor, but I still think it worked better."
[drwho]/070 boucher says, "Also, that may be one of the most densely referenced things I've typed in a long while."
[drwho]/071 boucher says, "Doctor Who, Peter Pan, and Harry Potter, all in one sentence."
[drwho]/072 borowski says (to boucher), "You should write a webcomic."
[drwho]/073 Tale says, "I liked how they typed that into the whole marriage rhyme. I wonder why nobody thought of that before. It's really obviously the TARDIS."
[drwho]/074 boucher says, "Yeah, actually, as much as I like him, I wanted to hit Steven Moffat for that."
[drwho]/075 boucher says, "I mean, there's clever and then there's smugly overly clever, and I could just about feel him sitting there waiting to be patted on the back for thinking that up."
[drwho]/076 olethros asks, "what?"
[drwho]/077 olethros asks, "tardis as a woman?"
[drwho]/078 boucher says, "No...something old, something new, something borrowed, and something blue."
[drwho]/079 Tale says (to olethros), "Something old, something new. Something borrowed, something blue."
[drwho]/080 olethros asks, "yeah, and ... where does this rhyme come up?"
[drwho]/081 ghira says, "i need to watch that ep in Italian, given that in Italy it's supposed to be something red"
[drwho]/082 boucher says, "At the Rory and Amy's wedding reception"
[drwho]/083 ghira says (to olethros), "end of s5"
[drwho]/084 Tale says (to ghira), "ha ha"
[drwho]/085 olethros says, "aha, ok"
[drwho]/086 olethros asks, "and it's a well-known english rhyme that just happens to fit?"
[drwho]/087 boucher says, "Well, no...before that, the Doctor sits by sleeping young Amelia's bedside, sure he's going to be erased from existence, and gives a long, exhausted, rambling story about his life, how he borrowed the TARDIS.  An ancient thing, very old.  But how it looked brand new, shiny to him.  And how very blue it was.  The bluest, blue, etc."
[drwho]/088 boucher says, "And that, combined with the multiple speeches he gave about how something could be brought back if it was remembered ultimately allowed her to recover him from oblivion when she connected it with the wedding saying."
[drwho]/089 Tale says, "I don't think it was blue when he stole it"
[drwho]/090 boucher says, "I don't know what the additional fiction says, but I don't think there was any indication in the TV series of what appearance it had on Gallifrey.  Either it was already stuck as a police box, or it got stuck on its initial change when he brought it to Earth."
[drwho]/091 Tale says, "I find the latter far more likely."
[drwho]/092 boucher says, "It's possible it had previously been on Earth"
[drwho]/093 Tale says, "Because, if it already was Police Box shaped, it would've been on Earth before. Let's not open that can of worms."
[drwho]/094 Tale says, "The series will end with the 12th doctor playing the TARDIS on Gallifrey, creating the ultimate paradox."
[drwho]/095 Tale says, "*placing*"
[drwho]/096 jenrexrode looks up TARDIS chameleon circuit
[drwho]/097 boucher says, "Whatever the case, its chameleon circuit was inoperable at all points (until the 6th Doctor's unsuccessful experiments), so it's not unlikely that it had never changed form since the Doctor took it."
[drwho]/098 Lionheart says, "Well, tardis.wikia.com informs me that default TARDIS exteriors looked like plain gray cabinets with a sliding door, from The War Games."
[drwho]/099 Tale says, "And so he first travelled to 1960s earth, knowing it would fit in."
[drwho]/100 boucher says, "Yeah...The Master seemed to make good use of his, but other Time Lords seemed to be very functional."
[drwho]/101 boucher says, "The Rani tended to use fairly abstract designs"
[drwho]/102 Lionheart says, "The Time Meddler made good use of his too, iirc."
[drwho]/103 Lionheart says, "OTOH, in Logopolis, Four tells Adric he "borrowed" the TARDIS while she was in for repairs, before they got around to "doing the chameleon conversion"."
[drwho]/104 Lionheart says, "Which lends some weight to "it was broken when he got it""
[drwho]/105 boucher says, "Yeah, it's been reinforced a lot that it was not a fully functional TARDIS"
[drwho]/106 boucher says, "But how broken and in what specific ways, and whether intermittent or continuously broken are all open to debate"
[drwho]/107 Tale says, "time for a prequel on how it giot that shape"
[drwho]/108 boucher says, "Also, it's suggested that his was obsolete, bordering on decommissioning at the time, while the others seen in the series were at least slightly if not considerably newer."
[drwho]/109 boucher says, "I must say, in a geeky tangent, I was pleased when the most recent series reintroduced certain sound effects in the TARDIS console room"
[drwho]/110 boucher says, "Such as when River Song stabilized the TARDIS and got it to fly smoothly, and their landing was signalled by an 80's era bong sound effect."
[drwho]/111 boucher says, "I also appreciate the general return of the cloister bell.  Even if it was only established in Logopolis, I still consider it a reasonable callback for old series fans, and it's one of the reasons I sometimes feel people who only began with the new series are missing out, quite apart from my irrational fondness for the old episodes."
[drwho]/112 Tale says, "I like Old Who, too"
[drwho]/113 Tale says, "I've started Dragonfire yesterday, which is great"
[drwho]/114 boucher says, "Heh...I liked it.  I also mock the literal cliffhanger."
[drwho]/115 Tale says, "I only watched ep1. I don't see any clear reason for climbing over that railing."
[drwho]/116 boucher asks, "You did watch The Mysterious Planet (Episodes 1-4 of Trial of a Timelord), right?"
[drwho]/117 Tale says, "I think so, yeah."
[drwho]/118 boucher asks, "Well, you know who Glitz is, right?"
[drwho]/119 Tale says, "In the last years, I watched a ton of stuff, so I tend to forget some."
[drwho]/120 Tale says, "Oh yes, of course."
[drwho]/121 boucher says, "Right, so you did."
[drwho]/122 Tale says, "(also, #firstworldproblems)"
[drwho]/123 boucher says, "Heh"
[drwho]/124 Tale says, "Holy Moses! Ace lost her virginity to Glitz? Fuck you, EU"
[drwho]/125 boucher says, "'Say, Tale, isn't it wonderful to be living in the year 1928.  Did you see last night's television broadcast?  By which I mean the only television broadcast.  My, but that was a novelty.  Well, I must go, as we are tying up the only telephone in town.  Good-bye.'"
[drwho]/126 boucher says, "I don't really acknowledge the content of books unless they answer questions I really want answered."
[drwho]/127 boucher says, "That is not one of them"
[drwho]/128 Tale says, "Indeed. But I dig this piece of trivia:"
[drwho]/129 Tale | Ace was the final female television companion to date not to kiss, or to be kissed by, the Doctor until one-off companion Adelaide Brooke in 2009
[drwho]/130 boucher says, "Well, yes, but old Doctor Who was asexual.  Even when it would have otherwise been creepy for an old man to travel all over the universe with a young girl, they pulled it off, because...well, he was an alien, so it was alright!"
[drwho]/131 boucher says, "Now they can't do anything ever again without creating weirdness."
[drwho]/132 Tale says, "11 was clearly asexual in that one scene with Amy. Then there was River."
[drwho]/133 boucher says, "Even the Amy (and even earlier, Madame de Pompadour) thing was a little disturbing.  What a way to 'groom' a girl.  Simply show up during her childhood, impress yourself upon her at a young age, then show up later to find she's obsessed with you."
[drwho]/134 boucher says, "That he refused Amy was very ethical.  That she threw herself at him was...well, damaged."
[drwho]/135 jenrexrode says, "I guess I better pay this car insurance before I get on the road again"
[drwho]/136 jenrexrode says, "whoops"
[drwho]/137 boucher says, "TARDIS insurance will cost you extra"
[drwho]/138 Tale says, "Insurance of the Daleks"
[drwho]/139 jenrexrode says, "talk about comprehensive coverage"
[drwho]/140 boucher says, "Also, millions of virgins who had previously identified with The Doctor protested when the TV Movie *changed everything*.  Suddenly, once he'd kissed a girl, it was blasphemy"
[drwho]/141 Tale says, "EXTERMINATE all worries with our new cover-all policy!"
[drwho]/142 Tale says, "I agree with the blasphemy angle."
[drwho]/143 boucher says, "Stoically avoiding relationships was the cornerstone of who he was, to them."
[drwho]/144 boucher says, "I tend to straddle the fence.  I believe that is who he was, and then he had a midlife crisis, and now needs young girlfriends to stay happy."
[drwho]/145 boucher says, "Very young, in relative terms"
[drwho]/146 boucher says, "And now we're back with the jailbait angle"
[drwho]/147 boucher says, "Except, since timelords have a law against involvement at all, I don't imagine the penalty differs depending on the age of the alien he decides to interfere with."
[drwho]/148 Tale says, "He's not really hitting on anyone even know, is he. I mean, apart from River."
[drwho]/149 Tale says, "Hee seemed to be excited about marrying her. And kissing."
[drwho]/150 boucher says, "Yeah, for now, the tension has moved to River, which is fairly harmless.  You know, destroying reality and all that.  But at least nothing immoral."
[drwho]/151 olethros says, "the end... of ??? ... itself!"
[drwho]/152 boucher says, "Well, getting married tends to mean 'the end... of drunken nights out with your friends ... itself!'"
[drwho]/153 boucher says, "But since The Doctor has no friends he hasn't kidnapped or barged into or killed, that's probably not an issue."
[drwho]/154 boucher says, "Aw, I just suddenly felt bad"
[drwho]/155 Tale says, "Aha, here is finally what I don't get about the Lake SIlenco thing."
[drwho]/156 Tale asks, "Is #spoilers necessary?"
[drwho]/157 boucher says, "That actually does suck.  To not have anyone who will associate with you who you haven't either mesmerized into joining you because you promised them a whimsy tour of the galaxy or who needs you to not die or something.  And everyone else you knew is gone or dead or doesn't want to see you, or you can't see them again because of laws of time or some such."
[drwho]/158 boucher says, "Might as well.  I've been freely ignoring requirements for #spoilers, but I guess we should"
[drwho]/159 borowski says, "I don't see any reason why different incarnations couldn't have different feelings about sex/relationships."
[drwho]/160 Tale says, "They did"
[drwho]/161 Tale says, "1 had a family!"
[drwho]/162 borowski says, "Oh right, I meant to ask about that: in The Aztecs, Susan calls him grandfather"
[drwho]/163 borowski says, "I wasn't sure if that was just a nickname."
[drwho]/164 Tale hands borowski a can of worms.
[drwho]/165 borowski says, "heh"
[drwho]/166 olethros says, "fishing!"
[drwho]/167 borowski says, "Also, the Doctor has a finance in that one, though sort of by accident."
[drwho]/168 olethros asks, "a finance?"
[drwho]/169 olethros asks, "TARDIS financing?"
[drwho]/170 Jon says, "typo for fiancee, surely."
[drwho]/171 borowski says, "yeah"
[drwho]/172 olethros says, "yeah, ok, I was just running with it"
[drwho]/173 boucher says, "There is a book, which the new series has almost completely decanonized, but was originally intended to be a Seventh Doctor episode, Lungbarrow"
[drwho]/174 olethros says, "more stumbling over a lava pit with it actually"
[drwho]/175 Tale says, "I wonder if this is recognized in incarnations slashfic"
[drwho]/176 boucher says, "In it, it proposes a number of pretty heavy additions to Doctor Who lore.  Amongst them that Time Lords are sterile as a result of an ancient conflict and thus preserve and diversify themselves through genetic recombinators called looms."
[drwho]/177 boucher says, "The Doctor was supposedly once one of three powerful pre-Timelords.  Rassilon was one, Omega was another, and the other was only known as The Other."
[drwho]/178 boucher says, "The Doctor was the result of The Other having thrown himself into the loom"
[drwho]/179 boucher says, "He later rediscovered The Other's granddaughter, and somehow they recognized each other, and so she clung to him"
[drwho]/180 olethros says, "ha ha"
[drwho]/181 olethros asks, "ok that's interesting. When was that written?"
[drwho]/182 borowski says, "According to the Dr. Who wikia, Susan is a Time Lord, but that's based on books."
[drwho]/183 Tale says, "Susan is the only hint we ever had of any previous family for the Doctor."
[drwho]/184 boucher says, "I think at least the draft for a script was written sometime in the late 80's...as I said, it was part of the Cartmel Masterplan, the editor at the time's plan to add mystery and new interest to Doctor Who, but the book appears to have been released in 1997"
[drwho]/185 boucher says, "You can see hints of his direction in the final season..."
[drwho]/186 boucher says, "There were attempts to recast The Doctor as a manipulator and as a man with more secrets to keep"
[drwho]/187 boucher says, "And then the decision came down that it was over, and all this buildup to tell more was lost."
[drwho]/188 Tale says, "I shouldn't have looked up s6 after forgetting more of it."
[drwho]/189 Gunther says, "QQ I don't want to go"
[drwho]/190 Tale asks, "They made a running joke in the series into a plot point?"
[drwho]/191 Gunther says, "I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about"
[drwho]/192 Gunther says, "not even which season 6"
[drwho]/193 Tale says, ",,gunther The first question!"
[drwho]/194 boucher says, "Well, minus the whole 'silence will fall' thing and the lampshady use of the show's title, that was actually the point of the Cartmel Masterplan as well.  There's always been a subplot in the series asking who he is, why he's so evasive about it, and in what way is he different from and more special than other Time Lords."
[drwho]/195 boucher says, "So while it's cheesy to have them beating us over the head with 'Doctor Who', it's a fair plot device."
[drwho]/196 Tale says, "I hope they are aware that they can't come up with a satisfying solution after building up to it for 50 years"
Recapped 196 of 196 lines from media/tv/drwho.
[drwho] Rob says, "hm long recap"
[drwho] Rob says, "oh, some of it is from yesterday"
marc says, "robrobrobrob"
[drwho] boucher says, "I would have been interested to see the Cartmel Masterplan developed.  But unfortunately, it was sort of integral with the now non-canonical idea that Time Lords can't have children."
Gunther says, "robble mcrobbington"
Recapping 23 of 23 lines from misc/spoilers:
[spoilers]/001 Tale says, "Soo, the doctor getting killed at lake Silenco is a fixed point in time. Hence reality goes Bonkers when River refuses to kill him."
[spoilers]/002 Tale asks, "But, using the fake doctor. That basically means he fooled "the universe itself" into thinking it was him?"
[spoilers]/003 Jon says, "'fixed point in time' means whatever the writer needs it to mean for the plot to work"
[spoilers]/004 Jon says, "unfortunately"
[spoilers]/005 Jon says, "my guess: River's entire existence depends upon her being sent to prison for killing the Doctor. If she doesn't do that, her timeline goes wonky, which means the Doctor's goes wonky, which means Earth's goes wonky."
[spoilers]/006 boucher says, "Well, consider that an event is only as significant as its consequences."
[spoilers]/007 boucher says, "Indeed, an event is the sum of its consequences."
[spoilers]/008 boucher says, "I suppose everyone mistook what the universe actually recorded.  Most people thought it was the consequences of the Doctor himself dying.  But perhaps it was the consequences of everyone *thinking* it was The Doctor dying."
[spoilers]/009 boucher says, "If the footprint of his continued existence were small enough, they'd be almost indistinguishable."
[spoilers]/010 Tale asks, "Yeah, but how would that make the universe go wonky?"
[spoilers]/011 Jon asks, "same reason Rose saving her dad's life did?"
[spoilers]/012 boucher says, "Well, there we lack any precedent, and not even any real-life physics to explain matters, so we have to wholly defer to Doctor Who"
[spoilers]/013 boucher says, "There's no real-life version of a 'fixed event', nor is there much explanation in Doctor Who of the consequences, other than...yeah, Father's Day, and this."
[spoilers]/014 boucher says, "So...either monsters come try to eat your wedding party or Churchill becomes Caesar of Britain, or something else bad."
[spoilers]/015 Tale asks, "Soo, basically ... timey-wimey?"
[spoilers]/016 boucher says, "So far, yeah."
[spoilers]/017 boucher says, "Maybe some grand unifying theory of why 'bad things happen when you screw with time' will occur, but not yet."
[spoilers]/018 boucher says, "The other major thing, which fortunately has actually been fairly consistent, is that the 'time differential' when two people from different timestreams make contact, releases a large amount of energy."
[spoilers]/019 boucher says, "When the two Brigadiers touched, it knocked them both unconscious and left the younger one suffering from a post-traumatic syndrome."
[spoilers]/020 boucher says, "When The Doctor and River touched, it knocked loose the halt in time they were stuck in."
[spoilers]/021 boucher says, "And there was at least one or two other instances in which a mild time differential was depicted as akin to a static shock."
[spoilers]/022 Jon says, "and when Rose touched baby Rose, it summoned a monster"
[spoilers]/023 boucher says, "Well, it broke time fractionally more than it already was, weakening the walls of the church, or something"
Recapped 23 of 23 lines from misc/spoilers.
[drwho] Tale asks, "We've seen small Time Lords, but has it ever been stated that they, y'know, make the Time Lord with two backs?"
[news] Gunther stops the timer.
[news] Gunther | Barclays boss Bob Diamond resigns
[news] Gunther says, "time to fail: 2 days."
[news] Gunther says, "now fuck off to prison for the rest of your life."
[drwho] Rob says, "hm what does lampshade mean there"
[drwho] boucher says, "Possibly not, but Lungbarrow went one further and suggested that there were no sons, daughters, mothers, or fathers...only 'cousins'"
[iPhone] marc says (to gunther), "looked into getting sparrow for iphone following your recommendation -- unfortunately no push or interval polling"
[iPhone] Gunther says, "pathetic"
[iPhone] marc says, "looks like it's apple's fault -- the beta had push but apple rejected it"
[iPhone] marc says, "GET OFFA OUR PUSH"
[iPhone] Gunther says, "shitting Apple"
[iPhone] marc says, "real shame -- the ui etc. looks lovely"
[spoilers] Rob says, "the blinovitch limitation effect"
[spoilers] Rob says, "which apparently doesn't work for Amy, who pats herself on the head and gives herself ice cream cones"
[iPhone] Gunther says, "weird though, gmail definitely has push"
[iPhone] marc says, "direct access to their servers"
[iPhone] Gunther says, "goode pointhe"
[iPhone] marc says, "sparrow would have to act as a proxy to provide the same functionality and they don't want to store user data"
[iPhone] marc says, "which i can appreciate"
[drwho] boucher says, "Well, the name of the series is sort of meant to be meta.  That's not literally his name, nor is it something intended to be central to the plot.  'Who' is just a placeholder.  When they make a point of scripting the characters to actually say the title, it feels a bit like they realize it's a funny title and are calling attention to it."
[iPhone] marc says, "i don't care so much about push but the lack of polling really makes it unusable"
[iPhone] Gunther asks, "but if it has neither push nor poll, how does it ever get mail?"
[iPhone] marc says, "manual refresh"
[iPhone] marc says, "or refresh on open"
[drwho] Rob says, "I formed this theory for useless fun that regeneration is a form of birth and ancestry, and comes from the mingling of a time lord with the DNA of someone else he's been in contact with pre-regeneration, thus all the different looks of the doctor can be determined by pairing him with a companion as if they were the parents of the next doctor"
[drwho] Rob says, "yeah I still don't know what lampshady means though"
[iPhone] marc says, "the default mail app is actually pretty nice to use though -- the thing i miss most is the ability to see my replies interleaved with mail in the inbox"
[iPhone] marc says, "i've been unable to recreate that weird text wrap issue from yesterday"
[drwho] boucher says, "'To take an obvious shortcoming or artificial element of a show and call attention to it'"
[drwho] ghira asks, "was blinovitch mentioned before mawdryn undead?"
[drwho] boucher says, "I think it was first mentioned in Pertwee's era"
[drwho] ghira says, "ah, day of the daleks"
[drwho] Rob says, "ah huh"
[drwho] Rob asks, "are there other common or notable examples of that?"
[drwho] Rob says, "I still like Mawdryn Undead"
[drwho] boucher says, "I'm surprised Pertwee could even say it.  It was famously said the reason he reversed the polarity so often was that that was the only technobabble he could reliably remember."
[drwho] boucher says (to Rob), "Me too.  I think we might be in the minority there, but I don't mind."
[drwho] Rob says, "it was the serial that got me hooked on the show, but I only saw it the one time until the past year when I got the dvd, and was happy that I still found it to be good"
[drwho] Rob says, "imagine watching that one without knowing who the brigadier is, what time lords especially are, and so forth"
[drwho] Tale says, "I ..rob http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging "
[drwho] Rob says, "but it was a groovy time travel story with a fakeout about a badly regenerated doctor and brief clips of a lot of old episodes"
[spoilers] boucher says, "Maybe the Pandorica does some timey-wimey stuff"
[drwho] Rob says, "no I rob, you Tale"
[spoilers] Rob says, "I wanted the pandorica to open and sitting in there is an ancient tom baker"
[drwho] Gunther says, "it is also famously said that the actual line appears exactly once"
[drwho] Tale says, "I Rob will be my version of BAP, spoofing IF and I Robot"
[drwho] Rob says, "sounds great"
[drwho] Gunther | The Third Doctor only said the full phrase "reverse the polarity of the neutron flow" twice on screen ? in The Sea Devils (1972) and the 20th Anniversary special The Five Doctors (1983).
[spoilers] boucher says, "No, that's part 2 of The Leisure Hive"
[drwho] Rob says, "he did some other types of polarity reversal though"
[drwho] Gunther | On other occasions on screen, the Third Doctor "reversed the polarity" but not of neutrons.
[drwho] Rob asks, "see?"
[drwho] boucher says, "I was careful not to mention neutrons for that reason"
[drwho] Gunther says, "such piffle will not stop me"
[drwho] Rob says, "heh 'signal from Fred'"
[drwho] boucher asks, "That reminds me, is there a TV Trope for that phenomenon?"
[drwho] boucher asks, "Where someone is widely misquoted for something misremembered from one or more sources?"
[drwho] Gunther says, " http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeamMeUpScotty "
[drwho] boucher says, "Aha, I knew there would be."
Lucea is gonna get back baby bad balls to you, love, cretin.
Lucea has disconnected.
[personals] BrenBarn | I grew up in LA and moved to SB about 2 years ago... for love :/
[drwho] Gunther | Bram Stoker's original Dracula never said the line "I vont to suck your blood!", or anything like it.
[drwho] Gunther says, "thanks, tvtropes"
[drwho] Gunther says, "nobody believes that"
[drwho] Tale says, "Reminds me of how we had my RPGs characters title wrong for years"
[drwho] Tale says, "And then didn't bother to correct it"
[personals] boucher says, "Good move, I'd say.  Looking for love in LA, from what I've gathered from film, is a scary thing, and can only be reliably found on certain street corners."
[drwho] Gunther asks, "eh?"
[drwho] Tale says, "I had a character who was from the gentry. And when a new player heard someone address him, he said: "No, that's not how he's addressed" And it wasn't."
[drwho] Gunther says, "and the title was..."
[drwho] Tale says, "We used "Hochwohll?blichgeboren" when it was actually "Edelhochgeboren""
[drwho] Gunther says, "neither of those even remotely exist"
[drwho] Tale says, "They do in the Dark Eye"
[robmumble] Rob says, "dang it I've finally been tricked after all these years into a tvtropes link following binge"
[robmumble] BrenBarn says, "muahaha"
[drwho] boucher asks, "#unicode Once again, am I broken or is Tale?"
[drwho] boucher says, "Indeed, the character in Gunther's paste before 'in the Sea Devils' is bad too."
[drwho] Tale says (to boucher), "I typed it on a German keyboard into the webclient"
[drwho] Tale says, "My bet is on me being broken"
[drwho] Gunther says, "it's Tale"
[drwho] Gunther says, "also me since I don't yet use potato here"
[robmumble] Tale says, "Ha ha, my work here is done"
[robmumble] Rob says, "whew, it's over"
[robmumble] Rob says, "that was interesting though"
[drwho] boucher says, "Okay.  I am deeply paranoid that I have made a mistake in coding my mudclient, and vexed that all this work has not resulted in an appreciable reduction of question marks in my text over using Pueblo, which I know is broken"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I felt like I was doing homework before writing something"
Gunther says, "brb"
Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
</Gunther> I can't even bring myself to leave these forums because I feel like I'd be doing the world a great disservice by not criticizing this game at every possible opportunity I can.
[drwho] Rob says, "also 'Play it again, Sam'"
[drwho] Rob says, "sometime a long time ago I was reading some joke that was playing on the fact that famous hollywood quotes like 'I vant to be alone' and 'Play it again, Sam' were never said, and it ended with"
[drwho] boucher says (to Rob), "That's a very obscure Unicode character.  It's not even in most character sets, and those that provide it, you have to use a very large font size to see Humphrey Bogart."
[drwho] Rob says, "'Obi-Wan Kenobi never said, "May the Force be with you." What he actually said was, "I may be forced to beat you, whippersnapper!"'"
[drwho] Rob says, "don't bogart the font, dude"
<Gunther> I like above all the railway vehicle! I love baseball after! I also cast magic ball!
Gunther's voice is husky, like dark melted chocolate fudge caramel... or something.
[drwho] Rob says, "I think of this idiotic joke every time I hear or make a joke using the word whippersnapper"
Quotations:
boucher (quoted by Rob, 02-Jul-12):
  [drwho]|01:21 boucher says, "'A thing remembered is never truly gone' may only be a shade away from the clap if you believe in Time Lords solution to de-Dobbyizing the Doctor, but I still think it worked better."
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[drwho] Gunther says, "äöüÄÖÜé?µ"
[drwho] Rob says, "aouAOUe?u"
[drwho] Rob says, "but with more umlauts"
[drwho] Rob says, "actually is that a mu on the end or something"
[drwho] Gunther says, "yes"
[drwho] Rob says, "huh"
[drwho] Gunther says, "and 'twixt it and the e is an Euro"
[drwho] boucher says, "quote search = sagger"
[drwho] Rob says, "ok only the euro symbol didn't show up"
Quotations:
boucher (quoted by Rob):
  [tangent] boucher asks, "What's the old equivalent of a whippersnapper?  A floppersagger?"
[drwho] boucher says, "I got them all"
[drwho] Rob says, "hee hee"
[drwho] Rob says, "floppersagger"
[drwho] boucher says, "Also, the charset sampler is 100%"
[drwho] Rob says, "wow and I'm the quote-r"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Hmm. Let's see. Ok, how about this...."
Rob says, "I gave up years ago on trying to jigger the mud 8bit charset settings to look right on my mac"
Rob says, "but these days I'm on a windows machine more often than not when I'm on the MUD and I could probably get it to look right on this computer"
Recapping 91 of 96 lines from games/whiz-games:
[whiz-games]/001 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]/002 Whizzard says, "mrf."
[whiz-games]/003 inky says, "hey W"
[whiz-games]/004 Whizzard asks, "hinky. How goes?"
[whiz-games]/005 inky says, "oh not too bad"
[whiz-games]/006 inky says, "it's monday and I am half-asleep but aside from that"
[whiz-games]/007 Whizzard says, "nodnod"
[whiz-games]/008 Whizzard says, "Monday, Bloody Monday."
[whiz-games]/009 Whizzard says, "Oh, good times."
[whiz-games]/010 Whizzard says, "I need to go review the Descent 1E FAQ one last time before they post it."
[whiz-games]/011 Whizzard flips through it without stopping. "Looks great."
[whiz-games]/012 inky asks, "*1*E?"
[whiz-games]/013 Gunther asks, "would you like me to read it?"
[whiz-games]/014 Gunther says, "I promise not to notice any problems"
[whiz-games]/015 inky says, "well, I was looking at http://www.ralree.com/2008/01/02/angband-save-games-directory-in-ubuntu/ "
[whiz-games]/016 inky says, "er"
[whiz-games]/017 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]/018 Whizzard says, "Man, quiet night tonight."
[whiz-games]/019 Whizzard says, "Hmm. Alright. DCR."
[whiz-games]/020 Whizzard says, "I actually want to crank on it tonight."
[whiz-games]/021 Whizzard says, "So, let's see..."
[whiz-games]/022 Whizzard says, "I've got..."
[whiz-games]/023 Whizzard says, "15 inventory items."
[whiz-games]/024 Whizzard says, "Furs, horse, shield, spear, bow, dugout, skis, machete, rope, snare, herbs, torch, tent, waterskin, and spiritweed."
[whiz-games]/025 Whizzard says, "I've divided challenges up into body, mind, and heart."
[whiz-games]/026 DavidW says, "That last line sounds like ElfQuest."
[whiz-games]/027 Whizzard says, "I'd say spirit instead of heart, but I've already used spirits as a different game term."
[whiz-games]/028 Whizzard says, "So this way is just easier."
[whiz-games]/029 Whizzard says, "Beyond that, there are basically 5 levels of difficulty."
[whiz-games]/030 Whizzard says, "Very easy, easy, average, hard, very hard."
[whiz-games]/031 Whizzard says, "On 3d6, they are 9+, 11+, 13+, 15+, and 17+."
[whiz-games]/032 Whizzard says, "The TNs would be 2 pts lower, but every player can 'flip' one of the 3 differently-colored dice over if they want (trait specialty), giving an average boost of ~2."
[whiz-games]/033 Whizzard says, "So, I've got a 'cycle' of 90 cards set up for the challenge deck."
[whiz-games]/034 Whizzard says, "30 heart, 30 mind, and 30 body."
[whiz-games]/035 Whizzard says, "There are 3 of each category at the very easy and very hard level."
[whiz-games]/036 Whizzard says, "6 at the easy and hard, and 12 at the average."
[whiz-games]/037 Whizzard says, "In addition, 1 in 3 challenges has a "shadow" on it."
[whiz-games]/038 Whizzard says, "These take effect when a 'snake eye' is rolled on the Darkness die at the end of any player's turn. They basically corrupt the land."
[whiz-games]/039 Whizzard says, "So, I've got the big picture challenge stuff in place, for the most part."
[whiz-games]/040 Whizzard says, "But now I need to make a list of possible penalties and rewards."
[whiz-games]/041 Whizzard says, "Let's see, penalties first."
[whiz-games]/042 Whizzard says, "There's, lose a WOUND, anger 1 of the 4 WINDS..."
[whiz-games]/043 Whizzard says, "Hmm, lose a REWARD token."
[whiz-games]/044 Whizzard says, "SHADOW tokens can be added to the board."
[whiz-games]/045 inky says, "lose your inventory"
[whiz-games]/046 Whizzard says, "Yeah, Lose an ITEM"
[whiz-games]/047 inky says, "get teleported somewhere else"
[whiz-games]/048 Whizzard says, "Return to the Village, maybe."
[whiz-games]/049 inky asks, "are bones an item?"
[whiz-games]/050 Whizzard says, "They're more like $$."
[whiz-games]/051 Whizzard says, "So lose BONES would be separate, yeah."
[whiz-games]/052 Whizzard says, "In more severe cases....DIE, ROLL THE DARKNESS DIE..."
[whiz-games]/053 Whizzard says, "Oh, and BAD EVENT"
[whiz-games]/054 Whizzard says, "That seems like most of everything I can think of."
[whiz-games]/055 Whizzard says, "So, rewards...."
[whiz-games]/056 Whizzard says, "Gain a REWARD token. REVEAL a REWARD token, REVEAL a CHALLENGE..."
[whiz-games]/057 Whizzard says, "REMOVE a SHADOW"
[whiz-games]/058 inky asks, "the deal with reveal is it lets you see what a challenge is so you can decide whether to face it?"
[whiz-games]/059 Whizzard says, "GAIN an ITEM"
[whiz-games]/060 Whizzard says, "Yeah, or it turns a reward token faceup so you can see if you want to pick it when gaining a reward."
[whiz-games]/061 Whizzard says, "GAIN BONES"
[whiz-games]/062 Whizzard says, "GOOD EVENT"
[whiz-games]/063 inky says, "I guess in theory a challenge failure could be that you shuffle a face-up challenge back into the deck and replace it with a face-down one"
[whiz-games]/064 inky says, "or maybe that could be a success, if there's some tough challenge you don't want t face"
[whiz-games]/065 Whizzard says, "Hmm, could be either. I'll make a note."
[whiz-games]/066 inky asks, "what are the areas on the board that in the previous mockup had the funny text on them?"
[whiz-games]/067 inky asks, "are those events?"
[whiz-games]/068 Whizzard asks, "The environments?"
[whiz-games]/069 inky says, "oh, environments"
[whiz-games]/070 inky says, "because presumably a reward or penalty could involve manipulating those"
[whiz-games]/071 Whizzard says, "Yeah."
[whiz-games]/072 Whizzard says, "Ok, that's a pretty good pool of options."
[whiz-games]/073 Whizzard says, "Next, deciding what reward tokens are."
[whiz-games]/074 Whizzard says, "So, I have in mind at least 2 possible win conditions."
[whiz-games]/075 Whizzard says, "And obviously, a chunk of rewards must tie into those."
[whiz-games]/076 Whizzard says, "Win Path 1 is war. You fight and defeat Darkness."
[whiz-games]/077 Whizzard says, "I'm thinking that involves special weapons."
[whiz-games]/078 Whizzard says, "Weapons of Light, prolly, since, you know...Darkness."
[whiz-games]/079 Whizzard says, "I'm not precisely sure how the final battle works yet."
[whiz-games]/080 Whizzard says, "But I have the idea that more weapons = better."
[whiz-games]/081 Whizzard says, "Anyhow, Win Path 2 is ...creation? You forge a new, better sun to drive off Darkness."
[whiz-games]/082 Whizzard says, "And to do that you have to collect a certain number of sunstones."
[whiz-games]/083 Whizzard says, "Not sure if anything else is involved there..."
[whiz-games]/084 Whizzard says, "And I'd like Win Path 3 to be Peace. You make peace with Darkness and he gives back the sun."
[whiz-games]/085 Whizzard says, "Hmmm..."
[whiz-games]/086 Whizzard says, "I need to sit down and design the endings of the game."
[whiz-games]/087 Gunther devours the eternal sun
[whiz-games]/088 Gunther says, "er, I mean, recaps. I always get those mixed up"
[whiz-games]/089 Whizzard says, "Ok, so let's see..."
[whiz-games]/090 Whizzard says, "So, if the players decide to kill Darkness, there should be randomness to it, and it should get harder the further the sun has been swallowed."
[whiz-games]/091 Whizzard says, "Hmm. Let's see. Ok, how about this...."
Recapped 91 of 96 lines from games/whiz-games.
[whiz-games] Rob asks, "whatcha workin on?"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "You can find 'rumors' or 'visions' telling you where Darkness is going to be on a given 3-space portion of the Darkness track."
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Darkness Comes Rattling"
[whiz-games] Rob says, "ah"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "While the sun is in those spaces, you can attack it using your weapons of light..."
[robmumble] Rob says, "doesn't feel like any writing is going to spontaneously occur tonight though"
[movie] Rob says, "I watched a movie last night that I expected to be so sad and awful it wouldn't be entertaining, and then it was moreso, and I got a lot of laughs out of it that I wasn't ready for"
[movie] Rob says, "it's the movie Martin Short made out of his fatsuit celebrity interviewer character, Jiminy Glick"
[movie] Rob says, "called Jiminy Glick in LaLaWood"
[movie] Rob says, "what happened was that a few minutes into it, martin short appeared as a new character, David Lynch"
[movie] Rob says, "wearing a pretty convincing prosthetic makeup job to look exactly like david lynch"
[movie] Rob says, "and he introduced the movie saying it was going to actually be a lynchian nightmare surrealist movie and not what you think"
[movie] Rob says, "and I thought that was funny"
[drwho] Gunther asks (of qon????), "how about this?"
[movie] Rob says, "then I was amazed when every couple of scenes or so they worked in a lynchian montage of strange imagery just to keep reminding you that this was a david lynch parody nightmare movie and not some stupid shtick about a fat guy who interviews celebrities"
[movie] Rob says, "which was way more high concept and more SCTV like than I was prepared to give it credit for being"
[movie] Rob says, "as if they used the brief window of martin short having a popular new character he does and getting to make a quickie movie to do something subversive and indie"
[movie] Rob says, "this is another one of those movies that entertained me but which I cannot in any conscience recommend to anyone else per se"
[movie] Tale says, "I always wonder if one can / should be able to decipher a Lynch movie"
[movie] Rob says, "it is easy to imagine it completely boring or infuriating anyone else if their sense of humor weren't tuned into its exact frequency"
[movie] Tale says, "Like, does it give you a fair chance"
[movie] Rob says, "but it made me laugh out loud a dozen or more times, good solid laughs"
[movie] Rob says, "and any movie that does this these days is unfortunately kind of a rarity"
[movie] Tale asks (of rob), "Did the actual movie made you laugh?"
[movie] Rob says, "yeah"
[movie] boucher says, "I just looked up the introductory scene you mentioned (thanks for being a continuing treasure trove of copyright infringement, YouTube!), and you're right...it is a pretty good impression."
[movie] Rob says, "there's a lot of improvised jokes that are hilarious, the script itself was probably more of an outline than something they followed"
[movie] boucher says, "Though perhaps mixed with a bit too much Bill Maher."
[movie] Rob says, "one of the guys who's in a lot of christopher guest movies was there"
[movie] Rob says, "heh bill maher, hee hee"
[movie] Rob says, "anyway, I never would have thought jiminy glick in lalawood would have any redeeming value, but apparently I was wrong"
[movie] boucher says, "I'm not sure I appreciate Short's new comedic phase."
[movie] Rob asks, "semi-retirement?"
[movie] Rob says, "there was a recent showtime series where david steinberg interviews comedians and comics, and martin short was a pretty good interviewee"
[movie] boucher says, "I really tend to think of him mostly in terms of his Three Amigos/Innerspace peak"
[movie] Rob says, "one of the funniest was brad garrett, I think he was in the same episode"
[movie] Rob says, "yeah that was his peak"
[movie] Rob says, "I haven't seen innerspace in a long durn time"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "well. finally got around to putting my sleeping bag in the washing machine. And I took a much needed bath for myself."
[movie] Rob says, "I dunno whether I'd be into it any more but it was fun in 1987 or whenever that was"
[movie] Rob says, "dang, 1987"
[movie] boucher says, "It comes around frequently on TV.  It's still fun."
[movie] Rob says, "hm, I haven't seen it on my tv in 20 years"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I also have a moth loose in my room, alas."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "if it eats all your clothing then you'll be in trouble. or maybe not, considering"
[movie] boucher says, "You must not have the ultra-mega cable package that costs you $250 a month then"
[movie] Rob says, "actually I do because I sponge off my parents' having gotten that"
[movie] Rob says, "I do tend to skip past a lot of the basic cable networks"
[movie] boucher says, "Then you must not have a DVR to help you sort through all that crap"
[movie] Rob says, "is it on USA or TNT or something"
[movie] Rob says, "no I do not"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "If all my clothing is et, I would be in trouble, yes. There are anti-nudity laws in Canada, not to mention cold weather."
[movie] Rob says, "I just programmed the evil device that never sleeps and watches everything you do to a smaller set of channels I like best and flip through those using the 'favorites' button rather than surfing the full range"
[movie] boucher says, "Seriously, it is just about impossible to filter the vast amount of content on a full cable or satellite broadcaster's content without some help"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "I guess Canada is not totally for all freedom after all"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Not quite."
[DustWorld] Tale asks (of davidW), "Do you have a date when?"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "then again I think naked people should stay out of restaurants and grocery stores"
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[DustWorld]/001 DavidW says, "well. finally got around to putting my sleeping bag in the washing machine. And I took a much needed bath for myself."
[DustWorld]/002 DavidW says, "I also have a moth loose in my room, alas."
[DustWorld]/003 Rob says, "if it eats all your clothing then you'll be in trouble. or maybe not, considering"
[DustWorld]/004 DavidW says, "If all my clothing is et, I would be in trouble, yes. There are anti-nudity laws in Canada, not to mention cold weather."
[DustWorld]/005 Rob says, "I guess Canada is not totally for all freedom after all"
[DustWorld]/006 DavidW says, "Not quite."
[DustWorld]/007 Tale asks (of davidW), "Do you have a date when?"
[DustWorld]/008 Rob says, "then again I think naked people should stay out of restaurants and grocery stores"
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[movie] boucher says, "500 channels and *everything's* on"
[movie] Rob says, "it's the same 25 movies on all 500 channels"
[DustWorld] DavidW says (to Tale), "A date when I have to be moved out to some other location? End of August."
[movie] Rob says, "yeah so this channel limitation is my solution"
[movie] boucher says, "I dunno, it may be the same for a certain span of time on each channel, but there really is a fairly good variety across the range."
[movie] Rob says, "so I browse the 25 versions of the five main movie channels, and browse what comes on their on-demand menus that update every week"
[movie] boucher says, "I have, multiple times in the past week, chosen a movie at random that I wanted to see, and found it airing somewhere within the next two weeks"
[movie] Gunther says, "sadly, no amount of technology or channels help with the underlying crapulence of hollywood shitout"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "(if you mean 'a date when I finally can claim I performed a homosexual act this year', no.)"
[videogames] Gunther | We chose this genre because we simply feel that all modern zombie shooters have missed the mark and not given the gaming community what they want.
[movie] Rob says, "sometimes there's still nothing on, but a lot of what I've been watching the past year, pretty much, has come from surprising hidden nuggets I find on-demand or on the movie channel sub-channels in the wee hours and stuff"
[videogames] Gunther says, "please die."
[videogames] Whizzard says, "Bwahahaha"
[movie] Rob says, "for example, the jiminy glick was in the Starz on-demand menu"
[movie] boucher says, "And, of course, if I can't find it on cable, I can find it elsewhere.  (Thanks for being a continuing treasure trove of copyright infringement, The Pirate Bay!)"
[videogames] Gunther | $180 PLEDGED OF $1,200,000 GOAL
[movie] Rob says, "and I skimmed past it and then said 'ha, wait, ok, let me watch it until I hate it' and then watched the whole silly thing"
[videogames] Gunther says, "L O fucking L 1.2 million"
[movie] boucher says, "I've done that with dumbness before"
[movie] Rob says, "yeah I don't do downloaded video"
[movie] Rob says, "after that I surfed the channels and ended up watching Cheech & Chong's Next Movie"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Annoyingly, roommate has been having male visitors rather frequently this week, although I suspect there isn't much actual hanky-panky going on."
[movie] Rob says, "which I also got several laughs out of"
[movie] boucher says, "I try not to, but sometimes it's not on cable, and it's not on YouTube, and it's not at Netflix, and it's not in our DVD collection...sometimes I get impatient"
[DustWorld] Tale says, "I meant the former"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "ah"
[movie] Rob says, "yeah there's kind of this thing. well, two things. one is I have a crappy wireless connection and it's not practical. two, when I started making movies at a professional level I decided I should keep my nose clean."
[movie] Rob says, "three, I can't be bothered figuring out how it works, and I don't like watching things on my computer anyway"
[drwho] boucher says, "Heh, nice."
[drwho] boucher says, "Also, I'm sure that took you some effort.  You are to be congratulated"
[movie] Rob says, "the current scramble towards making movies watchable on computer and game devices and such makes me roll my eyes, because I want none of that"
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[drwho]/001 borowski says, "Wow, The Green Death is a long serial (2 1/2 hours)."
[drwho]/002 borowski says, "It's pretty good so far though."
[drwho]/003 boucher says, "Yeah, it was a decent one"
[drwho]/004 jenrexrode says, "cool, I've never watched dr who that didn't appear on my TV."
[drwho]/005 borowski says (to jenrexrode), "With Netflix you can watch all the Dr. Who you want :)"
[drwho]/006 boucher says, "Also, it was the first Pertwee serial my PBS station had a copy of in color, giving its title as well as its contents more poignancy."
[drwho]/007 borowski says, "I was surprised to see the 3rd Doctor doing some ass kicking."
[drwho]/008 jenrexrode says, "yeaj, I'm too lame"
[drwho]/009 boucher says, "The Third Doctor did a lot of asskicking.  He remains in my mind the 'Action Doctor'"
[drwho]/010 boucher says, "He was all about car chases and kung-fu chops"
[drwho]/011 borowski says, "I had only watched a couple of serials with him and I thought he was stuffy and aloof but now I'm liking him more."
[drwho]/012 borowski says, "I can't remember if I mentioned watching The Waters of Mars, but I thought that was really good."
[drwho]/013 boucher says, "Pertwee was a bit of a vehicle nut, so they had to add the occasional car chase to appease him, which extended in later epsiodes to giving him his own hovercar and miniplane IIRC (only via special effects, though)"
[drwho]/014 jenrexrode says, "probably not-so-special"
[drwho]/015 boucher says, "Yeah, it was pretty decent"
[drwho]/016 borowski says, "The monster of the week was so so, but the speech the Doctor gave while he was in the airlock was moving."
[drwho]/017 boucher says, "It was the early days of CSO, so everything had a shimmering outline when they used it"
[drwho]/018 jenrexrode asks, "oh, so better than the puppet bad guys?"
[drwho]/019 jenrexrode says, "I vaguely remember an evil potted plant"
[drwho]/020 borowski says, "Yeah, I wonder what caused that."
[drwho]/021 boucher says, "Evil-brand fertilizer, ask for it by name"
[drwho]/022 borowski says, "Oh, I was talking about the Waters of Mars, as far as the speech in the airlock."
[drwho]/023 boucher says, "One of the more infamous 'monsters' of the Pertwee era in my mind was the time a man was eaten by an inflatable chair."
[drwho]/024 borowski says, "That's a newish one so the effects are pretty good."
[drwho]/025 jenrexrode says, "I'm not watching waters of mars again, unless there's some kind of monetary or social payoff"
[drwho]/026 boucher says, "My memory is poor, so I can't get a fix on what you're referring to."
[drwho]/027 ghira says, "one of the auton stories has man being eaten by chair"
[drwho]/028 boucher says (to ghira), "Yes, I know.  That was what I was referring to"
[drwho]/029 boucher says, "O"
[drwho]/030 borowski says, "When the Doctor is about to leave the station and is telling the captain about her fate and then he has decided if he is going to help out or not."
[drwho]/031 ghira says (to boucher), "I know you know"
[drwho]/032 boucher says, "I'm trying to remember the airlock speech."
[drwho]/033 ghira says (to boucher), "I thought boro was referring to that not speech, sorry"
[drwho]/034 borowski says, "He's already wearing his space suit and they are fighting off the monsters."
[drwho]/035 boucher says, "Ah"
[drwho]/036 borowski says, "I found it pretty moving but I'm also a sap."
[drwho]/037 boucher says, "Heh, I've been having a tour of sappy Doctor Who moments recently myself"
[drwho]/038 borowski says, "I thought David Tennant did a good job of doing a complete emotional 180 at the end without it being corny."
[drwho]/039 boucher says, "Once upon a time, I didn't get suckered into emotional bits, but now I do."
[drwho]/040 boucher says, "Mm...that was moving, but it got a bit much for me."
[drwho]/041 borowski says, "I've found myself being able to separate corny monsters from the good bits."
[drwho]/042 boucher says, "I mean, there's saying goodbye, and then there's taking a 5-year victory lap"
[drwho]/043 borowski says, "Yeah."
[drwho]/044 Tale says, "The end was far too overwrought."
[drwho]/045 borowski says, "Well, I thought it was signaling that The End of Time was going to be really deep..."
[drwho]/046 borowski says, "And then, not so much."
[drwho]/047 Tale says, "Even Baker with his 7/8 year tenure had the decency to just fall off that thing, say goodbye and regenerate."
[drwho]/048 boucher says, "4 and 5's regeneration scenes were about right for me."
[drwho]/049 borowski says, "Oh yeah, the regeneration was ridiculous."
[drwho]/050 Tale says, "I must say I liked his line "I don't want to go" That was fitting to his character"
[drwho]/051 borowski says, "Yeah, I had never thought that regeneration was like dying."
[drwho]/052 boucher says, "I'm not sure how I feel about New Who's whole 'you regenerate, then cough up magic dust for a few days, during which anything's possible before settling down' addition"
[drwho]/053 boucher says, "I guess I can deal with ti"
[drwho]/054 boucher says, "it"
[drwho]/055 Tale says, "One difference I noticed is that New Who makes far too much fuss about the fact that the doctor is the all-powerfull 900 years old chap"
[drwho]/056 Tale says, "Whereas in old Who there was far more unintental bumbling and real terror"
[drwho]/057 boucher says, "Well, but the end of the past season actually takes that and runs with it, making it clear that firstly, that was a change from who he used to be, and secondly, you can't do that without turning the entire universe against you."
[drwho]/058 boucher says, "And so, seemingly ending with the conclusion that he needs to start keeping his head down and being inconspicuous, I hope that signals a return to small-time Doctor Who, where he travels around, getting into trouble, but not intentionally boasting about it."
[drwho]/059 Tale says, "Looking back, 11th doctor seasons were mainly very confusing for me."
[drwho]/060 Tale says, "I couldn't connect to anything, because I was mainly scratching my head."
[drwho]/061 boucher says, "Really?  It seems reasonably straightforward, having rewatched a good handful of them recently."
[drwho]/062 Tale says, "I find the overarching plot confusing. Not really confusing, but I couldn't connect to it meaningful."
[drwho]/063 Tale says, "And the trick for who LIke Silencio thing seems cheap."
[drwho]/064 Tale says, ""For who" should "for the whole""
[drwho]/065 boucher says, "It was mildly cheap, but I'll take that over an RTD ending any day."
[drwho]/066 boucher says, "At least we were given some meaningful clues by a man who has some concept of what foreshadowing is."
[drwho]/067 boucher says, "He may lay it on a bit thick, and like tying things together a bit much, but I'll forgive it because when he wants to be subtly clever, he can do that too."
[drwho]/068 Tale says, "Sure, he's a whole different league then RTD. And he made the doctor alien again."
[drwho]/069 boucher says, "'A thing remembered is never truly gone' may only be a shade away from the clap if you believe in Time Lords solution to de-Dobbyizing the Doctor, but I still think it worked better."
[drwho]/070 boucher says, "Also, that may be one of the most densely referenced things I've typed in a long while."
[drwho]/071 boucher says, "Doctor Who, Peter Pan, and Harry Potter, all in one sentence."
[drwho]/072 borowski says (to boucher), "You should write a webcomic."
[drwho]/073 Tale says, "I liked how they typed that into the whole marriage rhyme. I wonder why nobody thought of that before. It's really obviously the TARDIS."
[drwho]/074 boucher says, "Yeah, actually, as much as I like him, I wanted to hit Steven Moffat for that."
[drwho]/075 boucher says, "I mean, there's clever and then there's smugly overly clever, and I could just about feel him sitting there waiting to be patted on the back for thinking that up."
[drwho]/076 olethros asks, "what?"
[drwho]/077 olethros asks, "tardis as a woman?"
[drwho]/078 boucher says, "No...something old, something new, something borrowed, and something blue."
[drwho]/079 Tale says (to olethros), "Something old, something new. Something borrowed, something blue."
[drwho]/080 olethros asks, "yeah, and ... where does this rhyme come up?"
[drwho]/081 ghira says, "i need to watch that ep in Italian, given that in Italy it's supposed to be something red"
[drwho]/082 boucher says, "At the Rory and Amy's wedding reception"
[drwho]/083 ghira says (to olethros), "end of s5"
[drwho]/084 Tale says (to ghira), "ha ha"
[drwho]/085 olethros says, "aha, ok"
[drwho]/086 olethros asks, "and it's a well-known english rhyme that just happens to fit?"
[drwho]/087 boucher says, "Well, no...before that, the Doctor sits by sleeping young Amelia's bedside, sure he's going to be erased from existence, and gives a long, exhausted, rambling story about his life, how he borrowed the TARDIS.  An ancient thing, very old.  But how it looked brand new, shiny to him.  And how very blue it was.  The bluest, blue, etc."
[drwho]/088 boucher says, "And that, combined with the multiple speeches he gave about how something could be brought back if it was remembered ultimately allowed her to recover him from oblivion when she connected it with the wedding saying."
[drwho]/089 Tale says, "I don't think it was blue when he stole it"
[drwho]/090 boucher says, "I don't know what the additional fiction says, but I don't think there was any indication in the TV series of what appearance it had on Gallifrey.  Either it was already stuck as a police box, or it got stuck on its initial change when he brought it to Earth."
[drwho]/091 Tale says, "I find the latter far more likely."
[drwho]/092 boucher says, "It's possible it had previously been on Earth"
[drwho]/093 Tale says, "Because, if it already was Police Box shaped, it would've been on Earth before. Let's not open that can of worms."
[drwho]/094 Tale says, "The series will end with the 12th doctor playing the TARDIS on Gallifrey, creating the ultimate paradox."
[drwho]/095 Tale says, "*placing*"
[drwho]/096 jenrexrode looks up TARDIS chameleon circuit
[drwho]/097 boucher says, "Whatever the case, its chameleon circuit was inoperable at all points (until the 6th Doctor's unsuccessful experiments), so it's not unlikely that it had never changed form since the Doctor took it."
[drwho]/098 Lionheart says, "Well, tardis.wikia.com informs me that default TARDIS exteriors looked like plain gray cabinets with a sliding door, from The War Games."
[drwho]/099 Tale says, "And so he first travelled to 1960s earth, knowing it would fit in."
[drwho]/100 boucher says, "Yeah...The Master seemed to make good use of his, but other Time Lords seemed to be very functional."
[drwho]/101 boucher says, "The Rani tended to use fairly abstract designs"
[drwho]/102 Lionheart says, "The Time Meddler made good use of his too, iirc."
[drwho]/103 Lionheart says, "OTOH, in Logopolis, Four tells Adric he "borrowed" the TARDIS while she was in for repairs, before they got around to "doing the chameleon conversion"."
[drwho]/104 Lionheart says, "Which lends some weight to "it was broken when he got it""
[drwho]/105 boucher says, "Yeah, it's been reinforced a lot that it was not a fully functional TARDIS"
[drwho]/106 boucher says, "But how broken and in what specific ways, and whether intermittent or continuously broken are all open to debate"
[drwho]/107 Tale says, "time for a prequel on how it giot that shape"
[drwho]/108 boucher says, "Also, it's suggested that his was obsolete, bordering on decommissioning at the time, while the others seen in the series were at least slightly if not considerably newer."
[drwho]/109 boucher says, "I must say, in a geeky tangent, I was pleased when the most recent series reintroduced certain sound effects in the TARDIS console room"
[drwho]/110 boucher says, "Such as when River Song stabilized the TARDIS and got it to fly smoothly, and their landing was signalled by an 80's era bong sound effect."
[drwho]/111 boucher says, "I also appreciate the general return of the cloister bell.  Even if it was only established in Logopolis, I still consider it a reasonable callback for old series fans, and it's one of the reasons I sometimes feel people who only began with the new series are missing out, quite apart from my irrational fondness for the old episodes."
[drwho]/112 Tale says, "I like Old Who, too"
[drwho]/113 Tale says, "I've started Dragonfire yesterday, which is great"
[drwho]/114 boucher says, "Heh...I liked it.  I also mock the literal cliffhanger."
[drwho]/115 Tale says, "I only watched ep1. I don't see any clear reason for climbing over that railing."
[drwho]/116 boucher asks, "You did watch The Mysterious Planet (Episodes 1-4 of Trial of a Timelord), right?"
[drwho]/117 Tale says, "I think so, yeah."
[drwho]/118 boucher asks, "Well, you know who Glitz is, right?"
[drwho]/119 Tale says, "In the last years, I watched a ton of stuff, so I tend to forget some."
[drwho]/120 Tale says, "Oh yes, of course."
[drwho]/121 boucher says, "Right, so you did."
[drwho]/122 Tale says, "(also, #firstworldproblems)"
[drwho]/123 boucher says, "Heh"
[drwho]/124 Tale says, "Holy Moses! Ace lost her virginity to Glitz? Fuck you, EU"
[drwho]/125 boucher says, "'Say, Tale, isn't it wonderful to be living in the year 1928.  Did you see last night's television broadcast?  By which I mean the only television broadcast.  My, but that was a novelty.  Well, I must go, as we are tying up the only telephone in town.  Good-bye.'"
[drwho]/126 boucher says, "I don't really acknowledge the content of books unless they answer questions I really want answered."
[drwho]/127 boucher says, "That is not one of them"
[drwho]/128 Tale says, "Indeed. But I dig this piece of trivia:"
[drwho]/129 Tale | Ace was the final female television companion to date not to kiss, or to be kissed by, the Doctor until one-off companion Adelaide Brooke in 2009
[drwho]/130 boucher says, "Well, yes, but old Doctor Who was asexual.  Even when it would have otherwise been creepy for an old man to travel all over the universe with a young girl, they pulled it off, because...well, he was an alien, so it was alright!"
[drwho]/131 boucher says, "Now they can't do anything ever again without creating weirdness."
[drwho]/132 Tale says, "11 was clearly asexual in that one scene with Amy. Then there was River."
[drwho]/133 boucher says, "Even the Amy (and even earlier, Madame de Pompadour) thing was a little disturbing.  What a way to 'groom' a girl.  Simply show up during her childhood, impress yourself upon her at a young age, then show up later to find she's obsessed with you."
[drwho]/134 boucher says, "That he refused Amy was very ethical.  That she threw herself at him was...well, damaged."
[drwho]/135 jenrexrode says, "I guess I better pay this car insurance before I get on the road again"
[drwho]/136 jenrexrode says, "whoops"
[drwho]/137 boucher says, "TARDIS insurance will cost you extra"
[drwho]/138 Tale says, "Insurance of the Daleks"
[drwho]/139 jenrexrode says, "talk about comprehensive coverage"
[drwho]/140 boucher says, "Also, millions of virgins who had previously identified with The Doctor protested when the TV Movie *changed everything*.  Suddenly, once he'd kissed a girl, it was blasphemy"
[drwho]/141 Tale says, "EXTERMINATE all worries with our new cover-all policy!"
[drwho]/142 Tale says, "I agree with the blasphemy angle."
[drwho]/143 boucher says, "Stoically avoiding relationships was the cornerstone of who he was, to them."
[drwho]/144 boucher says, "I tend to straddle the fence.  I believe that is who he was, and then he had a midlife crisis, and now needs young girlfriends to stay happy."
[drwho]/145 boucher says, "Very young, in relative terms"
[drwho]/146 boucher says, "And now we're back with the jailbait angle"
[drwho]/147 boucher says, "Except, since timelords have a law against involvement at all, I don't imagine the penalty differs depending on the age of the alien he decides to interfere with."
[drwho]/148 Tale says, "He's not really hitting on anyone even know, is he. I mean, apart from River."
[drwho]/149 Tale says, "Hee seemed to be excited about marrying her. And kissing."
[drwho]/150 boucher says, "Yeah, for now, the tension has moved to River, which is fairly harmless.  You know, destroying reality and all that.  But at least nothing immoral."
[drwho]/151 olethros says, "the end... of ??? ... itself!"
[drwho]/152 boucher says, "Well, getting married tends to mean 'the end... of drunken nights out with your friends ... itself!'"
[drwho]/153 boucher says, "But since The Doctor has no friends he hasn't kidnapped or barged into or killed, that's probably not an issue."
[drwho]/154 boucher says, "Aw, I just suddenly felt bad"
[drwho]/155 Tale says, "Aha, here is finally what I don't get about the Lake SIlenco thing."
[drwho]/156 Tale asks, "Is #spoilers necessary?"
[drwho]/157 boucher says, "That actually does suck.  To not have anyone who will associate with you who you haven't either mesmerized into joining you because you promised them a whimsy tour of the galaxy or who needs you to not die or something.  And everyone else you knew is gone or dead or doesn't want to see you, or you can't see them again because of laws of time or some such."
[drwho]/158 boucher says, "Might as well.  I've been freely ignoring requirements for #spoilers, but I guess we should"
[drwho]/159 borowski says, "I don't see any reason why different incarnations couldn't have different feelings about sex/relationships."
[drwho]/160 Tale says, "They did"
[drwho]/161 Tale says, "1 had a family!"
[drwho]/162 borowski says, "Oh right, I meant to ask about that: in The Aztecs, Susan calls him grandfather"
[drwho]/163 borowski says, "I wasn't sure if that was just a nickname."
[drwho]/164 Tale hands borowski a can of worms.
[drwho]/165 borowski says, "heh"
[drwho]/166 olethros says, "fishing!"
[drwho]/167 borowski says, "Also, the Doctor has a finance in that one, though sort of by accident."
[drwho]/168 olethros asks, "a finance?"
[drwho]/169 olethros asks, "TARDIS financing?"
[drwho]/170 Jon says, "typo for fiancee, surely."
[drwho]/171 borowski says, "yeah"
[drwho]/172 olethros says, "yeah, ok, I was just running with it"
[drwho]/173 boucher says, "There is a book, which the new series has almost completely decanonized, but was originally intended to be a Seventh Doctor episode, Lungbarrow"
[drwho]/174 olethros says, "more stumbling over a lava pit with it actually"
[drwho]/175 Tale says, "I wonder if this is recognized in incarnations slashfic"
[drwho]/176 boucher says, "In it, it proposes a number of pretty heavy additions to Doctor Who lore.  Amongst them that Time Lords are sterile as a result of an ancient conflict and thus preserve and diversify themselves through genetic recombinators called looms."
[drwho]/177 boucher says, "The Doctor was supposedly once one of three powerful pre-Timelords.  Rassilon was one, Omega was another, and the other was only known as The Other."
[drwho]/178 boucher says, "The Doctor was the result of The Other having thrown himself into the loom"
[drwho]/179 boucher says, "He later rediscovered The Other's granddaughter, and somehow they recognized each other, and so she clung to him"
[drwho]/180 olethros says, "ha ha"
[drwho]/181 olethros asks, "ok that's interesting. When was that written?"
[drwho]/182 borowski says, "According to the Dr. Who wikia, Susan is a Time Lord, but that's based on books."
[drwho]/183 Tale says, "Susan is the only hint we ever had of any previous family for the Doctor."
[drwho]/184 boucher says, "I think at least the draft for a script was written sometime in the late 80's...as I said, it was part of the Cartmel Masterplan, the editor at the time's plan to add mystery and new interest to Doctor Who, but the book appears to have been released in 1997"
[drwho]/185 boucher says, "You can see hints of his direction in the final season..."
[drwho]/186 boucher says, "There were attempts to recast The Doctor as a manipulator and as a man with more secrets to keep"
[drwho]/187 boucher says, "And then the decision came down that it was over, and all this buildup to tell more was lost."
[drwho]/188 Tale says, "I shouldn't have looked up s6 after forgetting more of it."
[drwho]/189 Gunther says, "QQ I don't want to go"
[drwho]/190 Tale asks, "They made a running joke in the series into a plot point?"
[drwho]/191 Gunther says, "I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about"
[drwho]/192 Gunther says, "not even which season 6"
[drwho]/193 Tale says, ",,gunther The first question!"
[drwho]/194 boucher says, "Well, minus the whole 'silence will fall' thing and the lampshady use of the show's title, that was actually the point of the Cartmel Masterplan as well.  There's always been a subplot in the series asking who he is, why he's so evasive about it, and in what way is he different from and more special than other Time Lords."
[drwho]/195 boucher says, "So while it's cheesy to have them beating us over the head with 'Doctor Who', it's a fair plot device."
[drwho]/196 Tale says, "I hope they are aware that they can't come up with a satisfying solution after building up to it for 50 years"
[drwho]/197 Rob says, "hm long recap"
[drwho]/198 Rob says, "oh, some of it is from yesterday"
[drwho]/199 boucher says, "I would have been interested to see the Cartmel Masterplan developed.  But unfortunately, it was sort of integral with the now non-canonical idea that Time Lords can't have children."
[drwho]/200 Tale asks, "We've seen small Time Lords, but has it ever been stated that they, y'know, make the Time Lord with two backs?"
[drwho]/201 Rob says, "hm what does lampshade mean there"
[drwho]/202 boucher says, "Possibly not, but Lungbarrow went one further and suggested that there were no sons, daughters, mothers, or fathers...only 'cousins'"
[drwho]/203 boucher says, "Well, the name of the series is sort of meant to be meta.  That's not literally his name, nor is it something intended to be central to the plot.  'Who' is just a placeholder.  When they make a point of scripting the characters to actually say the title, it feels a bit like they realize it's a funny title and are calling attention to it."
[drwho]/204 Rob says, "I formed this theory for useless fun that regeneration is a form of birth and ancestry, and comes from the mingling of a time lord with the DNA of someone else he's been in contact with pre-regeneration, thus all the different looks of the doctor can be determined by pairing him with a companion as if they were the parents of the next doctor"
[drwho]/205 Rob says, "yeah I still don't know what lampshady means though"
[drwho]/206 boucher says, "'To take an obvious shortcoming or artificial element of a show and call attention to it'"
[drwho]/207 ghira asks, "was blinovitch mentioned before mawdryn undead?"
[drwho]/208 boucher says, "I think it was first mentioned in Pertwee's era"
[drwho]/209 ghira says, "ah, day of the daleks"
[drwho]/210 Rob says, "ah huh"
[drwho]/211 Rob asks, "are there other common or notable examples of that?"
[drwho]/212 Rob says, "I still like Mawdryn Undead"
[drwho]/213 boucher says, "I'm surprised Pertwee could even say it.  It was famously said the reason he reversed the polarity so often was that that was the only technobabble he could reliably remember."
[drwho]/214 boucher says (to Rob), "Me too.  I think we might be in the minority there, but I don't mind."
[drwho]/215 Rob says, "it was the serial that got me hooked on the show, but I only saw it the one time until the past year when I got the dvd, and was happy that I still found it to be good"
[drwho]/216 Rob says, "imagine watching that one without knowing who the brigadier is, what time lords especially are, and so forth"
[drwho]/217 Tale says, "I ..rob http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging "
[drwho]/218 Rob says, "but it was a groovy time travel story with a fakeout about a badly regenerated doctor and brief clips of a lot of old episodes"
[drwho]/219 Rob says, "no I rob, you Tale"
[drwho]/220 Gunther says, "it is also famously said that the actual line appears exactly once"
[drwho]/221 Tale says, "I Rob will be my version of BAP, spoofing IF and I Robot"
[drwho]/222 Rob says, "sounds great"
[drwho]/223 Gunther | The Third Doctor only said the full phrase "reverse the polarity of the neutron flow" twice on screen ? in The Sea Devils (1972) and the 20th Anniversary special The Five Doctors (1983).
[drwho]/224 Rob says, "he did some other types of polarity reversal though"
[drwho]/225 Gunther | On other occasions on screen, the Third Doctor "reversed the polarity" but not of neutrons.
[drwho]/226 Rob asks, "see?"
[drwho]/227 boucher says, "I was careful not to mention neutrons for that reason"
[drwho]/228 Gunther says, "such piffle will not stop me"
[drwho]/229 Rob says, "heh 'signal from Fred'"
[drwho]/230 boucher asks, "That reminds me, is there a TV Trope for that phenomenon?"
[drwho]/231 boucher asks, "Where someone is widely misquoted for something misremembered from one or more sources?"
[drwho]/232 Gunther says, " http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeamMeUpScotty "
[drwho]/233 boucher says, "Aha, I knew there would be."
[drwho]/234 Gunther | Bram Stoker's original Dracula never said the line "I vont to suck your blood!", or anything like it.
[drwho]/235 Gunther says, "thanks, tvtropes"
[drwho]/236 Gunther says, "nobody believes that"
[drwho]/237 Tale says, "Reminds me of how we had my RPGs characters title wrong for years"
[drwho]/238 Tale says, "And then didn't bother to correct it"
[drwho]/239 Gunther asks, "eh?"
[drwho]/240 Tale says, "I had a character who was from the gentry. And when a new player heard someone address him, he said: "No, that's not how he's addressed" And it wasn't."
[drwho]/241 Gunther says, "and the title was..."
[drwho]/242 Tale says, "We used "Hochwohll?blichgeboren" when it was actually "Edelhochgeboren""
[drwho]/243 Gunther says, "neither of those even remotely exist"
[drwho]/244 Tale says, "They do in the Dark Eye"
[drwho]/245 boucher asks, "#unicode Once again, am I broken or is Tale?"
[drwho]/246 boucher says, "Indeed, the character in Gunther's paste before 'in the Sea Devils' is bad too."
[drwho]/247 Tale says (to boucher), "I typed it on a German keyboard into the webclient"
[drwho]/248 Tale says, "My bet is on me being broken"
[drwho]/249 Gunther says, "it's Tale"
[drwho]/250 Gunther says, "also me since I don't yet use potato here"
[drwho]/251 boucher says, "Okay.  I am deeply paranoid that I have made a mistake in coding my mudclient, and vexed that all this work has not resulted in an appreciable reduction of question marks in my text over using Pueblo, which I know is broken"
[drwho]/252 Rob says, "also 'Play it again, Sam'"
[drwho]/253 Rob says, "sometime a long time ago I was reading some joke that was playing on the fact that famous hollywood quotes like 'I vant to be alone' and 'Play it again, Sam' were never said, and it ended with"
[drwho]/254 boucher says (to Rob), "That's a very obscure Unicode character.  It's not even in most character sets, and those that provide it, you have to use a very large font size to see Humphrey Bogart."
[drwho]/255 Rob says, "'Obi-Wan Kenobi never said, "May the Force be with you." What he actually said was, "I may be forced to beat you, whippersnapper!"'"
[drwho]/256 Rob says, "don't bogart the font, dude"
[drwho]/257 Rob says, "I think of this idiotic joke every time I hear or make a joke using the word whippersnapper"
[drwho]/258 Gunther says, "äöüÄÖÜé?µ"
[drwho]/259 Rob says, "aouAOUe?u"
[drwho]/260 Rob says, "but with more umlauts"
[drwho]/261 Rob says, "actually is that a mu on the end or something"
[drwho]/262 Gunther says, "yes"
[drwho]/263 Rob says, "huh"
[drwho]/264 Gunther says, "and 'twixt it and the e is an Euro"
[drwho]/265 boucher says, "quote search = sagger"
[drwho]/266 Rob says, "ok only the euro symbol didn't show up"
[drwho]/267 boucher says, "I got them all"
[drwho]/268 Rob says, "hee hee"
[drwho]/269 Rob says, "floppersagger"
[drwho]/270 boucher says, "Also, the charset sampler is 100%"
[drwho]/271 Rob says, "wow and I'm the quote-r"
[drwho]/272 Gunther asks (of qon????), "how about this?"
[drwho]/273 boucher says, "Heh, nice."
[drwho]/274 boucher says, "Also, I'm sure that took you some effort.  You are to be congratulated"
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[movie] Rob says, "maybe I'm about to get squeezed out as a dinosaur"
[drwho] Gunther says, "the most effort was really finding a list of the glyphs that wasn't currently down"
[drwho] Rob says, "I saw 'qon????'"
[movie] Gunther says, "you sure are, T-Rob"
[movie] Rob says, "raoarrrrrrr"
[movie] Tale says (to rob), "I recenlty bought a 107 cm TV because I got tired of watching things on my PC or my mobile"
[movie] Gunther says, "also how will you put a DVD in the drive when your gigantic head comes in the way of your puny arms"
[movie] Rob says, "ha ha"
[movie] Gunther says, "I am now picturing this and am glad I'm alone in the office"
[movie] Rob says, "wait, gigantic head and puny arms is also how sci-fi has predicted what superintelligent races will evolve into"
[movie] Gunther says, "the dinosar I'm picturing is wearing your hat of course"
[movie] Tale says, "Q-Man qwantz guest panel!"
[movie] Gunther says, "jauntily because it has to throw the hat up there and hope it lands"
[movie] Rob says, "ha ha"
[drwho] boucher says (to Rob), "It was my name with each character rotated 180 degrees."
[movie] Gunther says, "so much for TYRANNOsaurus."
[drwho] Rob says, "wow nice"
[movie] Rob says, "the Cyrannosaurus had the biggest nose"
[movie] Tale says, "ha ha"
[movie] ghira says, "I watch DVDs on my laptop and it works well enough. I sit near enough to it that it's probably about the same as being further away from a larger screen."
[movie] ghira says, "also we can't be arsed to get / work out where to put a larger screen."
[movie] Gunther says, "#train-of-thought -> Darth Tyrannis -> Christopher Lee in Rob's hat as a dinosaur -> I need to stop now"
[movie] Tale says (to ghira), "ON the books somewhere"
<Hjalfi> "I hate you, Sam. I hate you more than any woman's ever hated a cephalopod."
Hjalfi is used to charge the ionized magnetic-bottle reaction chamber while confectionile material is injected to the bottle within a flouride suspension.
[movie] ghira says, "possibly"
[movie] Gunther says, "nailed to the wall"
[movie] boucher says, "I watch things on my computer because it's hard to get a TV in here."
[movie] ghira asks (of gunther), "wall?"
[movie] Alex says (to ghira), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that Wall is Larry Wall, which is the inventor of Perl."
[movie] Gunther says, "yeah him"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Okay, battle system designed."
[movie] boucher asks, "And also, why have two screens if one will suffice?"
[whiz-games] Gunther asks, "is it Rock Paper Dinosaur?"
[movie] ghira says (to gunther), "wall space is one of the things we don't have any of"
[movie] Gunther says, "suspend from ceiling"
[movie] Tale says (to boucher), "Well, I like to watch TV from the couch, which is either for lazying around / smoochies than my desk chair"
[movie] boucher says, "But seriously.  My room has zero room.  I already have to be careful just getting out of my chair because I am trapped between a desk and a bed."
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "You start the heroes at Darkness' mouth, and they have to fight their way down to the sun to defeat Darkness."
[movie] ghira says, "I thought you had _a_ zero room"
[movie] ghira says, "for a moment I was worried"
[movie] boucher says, "Heh"
[movie] ghira says, "we must confuse boucher with recursion events"
[movie] boucher says, "It's good for regeneration crises and meditation.  Otherwise, zero rooms are boring."
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "There are strength 1-3 weapons of light."
[movie] Gunther says, "ideally you have a ceiling-suspended TV with a winch that raises and lowers it"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "For each attack, you roll that many dice as well as the Darkness die."
[movie] boucher says, "The ceiling is indeed about the only unoccupied surface I have"
[movie] Tale says, "Which also works as a trap for intruders "Take a step forward, Mr Bond""
[movie] boucher says, "Perhaps I will consider it, though the only TV we have is a 42-inch plasma TV, and I'm not sure how I feel about my construction skills to have that over my face."
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "You move the heroes a number of spaces along the track equal to the highest roll on the dice, and if X is rolled on the Darkness die, the weapon breaks and is discarded."
[movie] Gunther says, "the tv of damocles"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "If they make it to the sun, they win. If their last weapon breaks, Darkness devours them."
[movie] boucher says, "'He died as he lived...watching Jiminy Glick in LaLaWood.'"
[movie] Rob says, "my room looks something like a tardis"
[movie] boucher says, "You need a hexagonal writing desk to really complete it."
[movie] Rob says, "yeah don't have that"
[movie] boucher says, "Shame.  I do."
[movie] Rob says, "but I subdivided the space so that bookshelves create a long entry hallway that curves around the edge of the room"
[movie] Rob says, "so it feels like more space than the empty room it started out as"
[movie] Rob says, "because have to walk a lot to get around in it"
[movie] boucher says, "Heh"
[movie] Rob says, "there's a central bed/sofa area stationed with three remote controls"
[movie] Rob says, "facing the big tv"
[movie] Rob says, "when I go to sleep, I flip around the other way on the bed from how I watch tv, which makes it seem like the tv room turns into an actual bedroom"
[movie] Rob says, "it's weird but it makes life strangely liveable"
[movie] Rob says, "then I have a bathroom"
[movie] Rob says, "then a secret door into another room, now mostly a storage room for my archive of art and writing and my book and comics library"
[movie] Rob says, "then a window that leads out to a small porch on the outside of the house just outside my room, with three protective trees forming a north wall, the a/c unit forming the east wall, the house forming the south wall, and a decorative stone wall forming the west wall"
[movie] Rob says, "and I clamber out there with my netbook and that's where I usually MUD from these days, including now"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Now I just need to figure out a good level of 'breakage' that will make the mathings work out."
[movie] Rob says, "now Tale can use all these details to begin constructing his I, Rob IF game"
Rob says, "and with that, I must away - -"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.