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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
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  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
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  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
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Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this."
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday two-star!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, Jon, GDorn, annabianca, Psmith, vimes, Jearl, small, McMartin, Matthew, Dave, DorianX, Allen, Ryan, lpsmith, ghira, Marktwo, genericgeekgirl, zaphod, marc, boucher, borowski, Oren, Fang, Hjalfi, Whizzard, Iain, Lionheart, Tale
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 2472 lines from recent channels:
[law]/20:45 boucher asks, "Sue me?"
[law]|20:45 K-Y says, "well, at least write a paper about it that doesn't lead to anything changing"
[Windows-sux]|20:46 jenrexrode says, "flash works better on my old Vista laptop than my new(ish) Windows7 laptop"
[Windows-sux]|20:46 jenrexrode says, "so I will use the old computer to play bejeweled blitz"
[law]|20:47 boucher says, "A lot of people have suggested that I could sell or start a business around some things I've done.  Like Markov.  People have said, 'Hey, why don't you try and adapt Markov to some purpose, or even just try selling him as an amusing bot?  Or surely, even if you don't do that, why not give a gift to the world and properly open source him so others can do something with him?'"
[law]|20:48 Allen says, "sell him? I doubt there are enough BrenBarns in the world to make that profitable"
[law]|20:48 boucher says, "And my answer is that doing so would raise my profile and make me more vulnerable.  As Markov stands, he's just something fun which I share with a limited circle of friends who I hope are no threat to me.  Once I try making money off of it, though...well, it's only a matter of time before someone shoves a patent in my face and claims I owe them."
[law]|20:49 Allen asks, "why not ask Markov himself what he wants, rather than trying to own him, like a slave?"
[law]|20:49 boucher says, "Heh"
[law]|20:50 boucher says, "I'm pretty sure the courts would eventually agree that I'm his guardian, as he is mentally incompetent to live independently."
[law]|20:50 Jota says, "Also, anatomically incompetent to live regardless."
[law]|20:50 boucher says, "I provide a warm computer for him and all the chat he can eat.  He doesn't have a bad life."
[law]|20:51 Allen says, "I don't know. Citizens United. Legal entities have a broad meaning these days"
[law]|20:51 boucher says, "At least that's what I hope our future robot overlords will decide, and have mercy on me."
[law]|20:51 Allen asks, "what sf author was always writing about LE's?"
[law]|20:52 Allen says, "in America, we call them corporations, but european law says legal entity."
[lounge]|20:52 vaporware was naked, and as he came to a main road he was honked by numerous cards.
[lounge]|20:52 jenrexrode says, "hi vw"
[law]|20:53 Allen says, "here come LE vaporware"
[lounge]|20:53 vaporware says, "ahoy"
[ganja]|20:53 vaporware says, "Oh shit."
[ganja]|20:53 vaporware says, "ilac"
[law]|20:54 vaporware says, "Oh shit. Actually, maybe it worked better on #ganja."
[ganja]|20:55 boucher says, "I think that's the second time you've mischanneled in here over the past day."
[tangent]|20:55 Jota says, "I wonder how complex a corporation would have to get for it to be recognized as an organism. Not as a legal convenience for paperwork and things, but in the sense of being protected by anti-cruelty laws and the like, due to its complex emergent behaviors and stuff."
[ganja]|20:55 boucher says, "I'm sure that must be telling of something topical..."
[ganja]|20:56 vaporware says, "I try to remember to use the right channels, but, wel..."
[law]|20:56 K-Y says, "Inman would have been awesome if he had said something like 'I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford a lawyer but many fellow cartoonists cannot; here's a link to where you can find out more and donate to the cause if you wish'"
[lounge]|20:56 vaporware pushes the button on the typo tally.  Bing!
[law]|20:56 K-Y says, "but I'm not sure if he actually feels any solidarity with any other cartoonists"
[law]|20:58 boucher says, "Well, there shouldn't be any such thing as too much publicity for good causes, but I think given that he's already attempted to help two charities in the middle of all this, adding more might threaten to overwhelm the situation."
[lounge]|20:59 nm says, "laters, MUD"
[lounge]|20:59 nm goes home.
[law]|21:00 boucher says, "Everyone has their issues to be passionate about, and I know wildlife preservation is one for him, since it's been referenced in his comics before.  And you're right, I don't think (at least until now, perhaps) that legal defense for cartoonists was really on his radar."
[law]|21:02 boucher says, "Possibly still isn't...this is sort of a weird case anyhow.  There are plenty of content creator vs. content aggregator cases.  It's very rare that the content aggregator goes on the offensive and tries to get something out of the content creator."
[law]|21:04 boucher says, "Which reminds me, randomly...I was looking for a video to share here, and one cropped up on YouTube with an eBaum's World watermark on it.  And I was sort of taken aback...I realized I hadn't thought about them in quite some time...practically an eternity in Internet relative time."
[law]|21:08 boucher says, "Looks like it imploded pretty severely.  Says on Wikipedia that Bauman himself, and all the existing staff, was fired back in 2009."
[lounge]|21:08 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[lounge]|21:11 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Ellison"
[lounge]|21:12 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|21:12 Ellison says, "hey hey"
[law]|21:13 Jota says, "That last comma makes that sentence a precarious read."
[lounge]|21:18 borowski wears corduroy suits and plays the accordion. An invincible combination, especially when you consider that he is not a bad artist.
[lounge]|21:18 borowski says, "Evening good MUD folk."
[lounge]|21:18 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi borowski"
[lounge]|21:20 jenrexrode says, "hi borowski"
[depression]|21:20 borowski says, "I found out today that someone I know has been suffering from depression for years without telling anyone."
[lounge]|21:21 borowski says, "Hi 3g & JRR"
[lounge]|21:21 DorianX says, "Upgrading my primary-everyday-use computer. Hope this works."
[depression]|21:21 borowski says, "It's made me sad to think that they had to deal with that by themselves."
[lounge]|21:22 borowski says, "I think enjoy upgrading computers almost as much as using them."
[lounge]|21:23 DorianX says, "Weird thing: at some point during the upgrade, it changed something that made all the UI widgets lose their beveling"
[lounge]|21:23 jenrexrode says, "I have upgraded by using 2 at the same time"
[lounge]|21:24 borowski says, "heehee"
[lounge]|21:24 DorianX says, "So everything looks very old-timey like it's made of wood and concrete"
[lounge]|21:24 borowski says, "I've found that I've developed the odd habit of crossing my arms when using more than one mouse at once."
[lounge]|21:25 DorianX says (to borowski), "Since I switched to linux, I've found upgrades exceptionally stressful"
[lounge]|21:25 DorianX says, "Every time I upgrade, a million very small annoyances usually crop up"
[lounge]|21:25 borowski asks (of DorianX), "Which distro?"
[lounge]|21:25 jenrexrode says, "oh yeah, I should mouse left handed with one"
[lounge]|21:25 DorianX says, "Ubuntu"
[lounge]|21:27 borowski says, "I haven't noticed too many problems upgrading Ubuntu, but, yeah, some annoyances."
[lounge]|21:28 borowski says, "I think that I use the computer on my left with the mouse on my left but with my right hand."
[lounge]|21:29 jenrexrode says, "I think I would have to do streatches first"
[lounge]|21:29 jenrexrode says, "-a"
[lounge]|21:30 borowski says, "I like to imagine I'm doing it because of the crossover between the halves of the brain. But I'm probably just odd."
[depression]|21:31 boucher says, "Some people would prefer others don't know."
[lounge]|21:31 borowski says (to DorianX), "I think a recent upgrade reset the programs on my unity taskbar."
[depression]|21:31 jenrexrode says, "I think I feel like that"
[depression]|21:32 boucher says, "Sometimes it just makes things more complicated, with well-intentioned but ultimately distressing attempts to help and so on."
[depression]|21:32 borowski says, "What made me sad is that they apparently have been wanting to tell me for years because they knew I could relate."
[depression]|21:32 borowski says (to boucher), "Yeah, I've been on both ends of such attempts."
[depression]|21:33 jenrexrode says (to boucher), "that's what I'd expect"
[depression]|21:35 boucher says, "At least clumsy attempts to help are better than the 'get over it' crowd."
[depression]|21:36 borowski says (to boucher), "Definitely."
[lounge]|21:36 zaphod says, "Last few Ubuntu upgrade have been painful.  Usually the screen stops working."
[depression]|21:36 jenrexrode says, "yeah, but they'll never hear about it from me"
[lounge]|21:36 DorianX says, "Okay, moment of truth time"
[lounge]|21:37 zaphod says, "Good luck!"
[depression]|21:37 boucher says, "I've long accepted that, aside from perhaps some medication and professional therapy, this *is* in some ways a road I have to walk alone."
[lounge]|21:37 borowski asks, "Is this a major version upgrade?"
[depression]|21:38 boucher says, "It's nice to know others care, but the changes in my life that will help me long-term are ones I have to somehow find the strength to enact, and nobody can do that for me."
[depression]|21:38 boucher says, "I'm not just some truck stuck in the mud, able to be towed out by the first helpful person to come by and then everything will be fine."
[depression]|21:39 jenrexrode says, "yeah"
[depression]|21:39 vaporware says, "Our connections to the MUD aren't trucks, they're series of tubes."
[depression]|21:39 boucher says, "I don't mind a push, but I'm still searching for the way to truly recover and find proper meaning in life."
[depression]|21:39 boucher says, "Heh"
[depression]|21:40 borowski says (to boucher), "Yeah, I think of medication, therapy as tools to build that strength."
[depression]|21:40 Allen says, "take up the viol! come to conclave!"
[depression]|21:41 borowski asks, "Conclave?"
[depression]|21:41 boucher says, "My current biggest stumbling block is a general lack of passion.  Most everything I take interest in, that interest is fleeting.  The first major challenge I face, I prefer to give up.  And when the going gets really tough, I just fold in dramatic fashion."
[depression]|21:42 jenrexrode says (to boucher), "hm, I thought I just got bored."
[depression]|21:43 Allen says (to borowski), "national/international gathering of viol players"
[depression]|21:43 boucher says, "There are people who find some source of strength at times like that.  Whatever it is they live for, whether religious faith, love, a desire for fame, to be successful, to be rich, to travel...a lot of people seem to have that thing that keeps them going even when everything else abandons them."
[lounge]|21:43 zaphod says, "Probably upgrading to 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin."
[depression]|21:43 Allen says, "I used to flitter across interests, spending a few months on each one"
[depression]|21:43 boucher says, "And I don't have that.  I don't have that big goal that I cling to, and is a reason to get up every day, even if the world's raining crap on my head."
[depression]|21:44 Allen says, "never sticking to anything for any length of time"
[lounge]|21:44 zaphod says, "I dunno if keeping the same major version number ever makes anything go any smoother, though."
[depression]|21:44 Allen says, "early music finally stuck me on one thing, and it's very social, making music with other people"
[depression]|21:45 borowski says, "I have that problem to some extent but I'm beginning to focus *a little*"
[depression]|21:45 boucher says, "I've been trying to explore more, trying to find something I care about enough to suffer for."
[depression]|21:45 vaporware says, "I try to flitter back and forth between the same few things so I can eventually achieve something in each one."
[depression]|21:45 borowski says, "At least now it's -music,writing,Inform- instead of -music,writing,every programming language-"
[depression]|21:46 boucher says, "I mean, that sounds horrible...after all, why would someone want to suffer?  But that's not the point.  For me, the suffering is going to happen whether I do something or do nothing.  What I'm seeking is something I will keep wanting to try for, even if I'm suffering."
[depression]|21:47 borowski says (to Allen), "Finding other people when similar interests often helps infuse me with passion."
[lounge]|21:48 borowski says, "This coffee shop is about to close. Back later."
[depression]|21:48 Allen says, "playing with like-minded people a couple times a week keeps the passion going. And I'm currently sustaining the longest manic-creative period of my life, going on about 4 months now"
[lounge]|21:48 borowski's father was a philatelist.
[lounge]|21:48 * borowski has disconnected.
[depression]|21:49 Allen says, "normally I hit a manic-creative period about once every 5 years and it lasts a month or so"
[depression]|21:49 jenrexrode says, ";wow"
[depression]|21:49 Allen says, "acutally, this one has been going on 2 years, on and off but now I've managed to make it stay which is great"
[depression]|21:50 boucher says, "Yeah, that's perhaps the best piece of advice my last psychiatrist gave me..."
[depression]|21:50 boucher says, "You're going to have good periods and bad periods, so make the most of the good periods and try to use those to change your life for the better, and if possible, prepare for when you hit another slump"
[depression]|21:51 jenrexrode says, "that does sound good"
[depression]|21:52 jenrexrode says, "I think I've been on a good period for about 3 months, I guess.  but I have to take down time"
[depression]|21:52 boucher says, "It was repeated, in a slightly different form, by my physical therapist."
[depression]|21:53 Allen says, "hmm, I may have had good periods in the past where I focused it all into work. Rigth now, my work motivation is very low. Work has never paid me back with anything, except continung work"
[depression]|21:53 boucher says, "She gave me a list of advice for making wise use of one's energy, intended for the elderly I think, but good advice for anyone with issues sustaining physical activity."
[depression]|21:53 Allen says, "it's like a quotation I saw once, "The reward for work well done is more work""
[depression]|21:53 jenrexrode says, "i've been working on my house recently, and I've done much more this year than last year.  I remember sleeping a lot last year.  I don't even know how I had the time.  I guess I took vacation and slept every day."
[depression]|21:53 boucher says, "Mm...yes, I think that's a lesson I learned in my teen years that may be part of my issue"
[depression]|21:54 boucher says, "I used to be a very advanced student.  They'd stick me in talented and gifted programs out of fear I'd get bored with school.  Which I was, but I soon caught a pattern.  The better I did, the more and harder the work was they gave me."
[depression]|21:55 boucher says, "It eventually reached a head in the middle of my junior year where I had so much classwork, advanced classwork, extracurricular classwork, additional extracurricular classwork, I hardly had any time for myself anymore"
[depression]|21:55 boucher says, "And so I internalized the lesson:  Life is easier when people have lower expectations of you."
[depression]|21:55 jenrexrode says, "I found those gifted classes too demanding, and graduated with a crummy GPA.  I would have been happier with straight A's"
[depression]|21:55 vaporware says (to Allen), "That was one of the first points in Benjor's session on navigating organizations. Good deal if it's work you like."
[depression]|21:56 Allen says, "I think I burnt myself out in 2010. I put in 70-80 hour weeks for 5 months. It was one of the biggest projects of our compny's history."
[depression]|21:57 jenrexrode says (to Allen), "that's what I do to the good workers, there's no point in piling work on people who will never get to it."
[depression]|21:57 Allen says, "then it came time for our annual reviews, and it was annoyunced no one would get any reviews or raises that year"
[depression]|21:58 Allen says, "I went off on vacation, and haven't given a crap ever since"
[depression]|21:58 jenrexrode says, "lame"
[depression]|21:59 boucher says, "I have a tendency to get passive-aggressive in my jobs.  At Hewlett-Packard, our projects were cancelled so often, I eventually decided it wasn't worth the effort.  Then in my next job, my boss changed his mind so frequently, sometimes I'd get done with something I worked hard on only to be told to take it all back down...eventually I just started waiting to begin, and then would be told to stop, and I'd just sit there, pleased with myself that I'd saved a lot of unnecessary effort."
[depression]|22:00 Allen says, "but, I'm doing a lot to stave off the eventual heat-death of the universe! I've typeset gobs of music from the 16th century in the last few months. Creative-Commons-attribution!"
[depression]|22:00 boucher says, "Sometimes it wouldn't be cancelled after all, but I'd just make up an excuse then, and still drag my feet getting it done, waiting for the inevitable change of mind."
[depression]|22:01 vaporware asks (of Allen), "Doesn't any action only hasten the eventual heat-death of the universe?"
[depression]|22:01 Allen says (to vaporware), "ack! Rational thinking only hastens that dreadful day!"
[depression]|22:03 boucher says, "I've read several sci-fi stories that propose that our universe was actually created by advanced beings in another universe, and that we're just an experiment in thermodynamics they're running to figure out how to avert the heat death of their own universe."
[depression]|22:04 Allen asks, "several? really?"
[depression]|22:04 boucher says, "Yeah, I've seen the idea a few times, though I'm not sure in which books any longer."
[depression]|22:04 Allen says, "that doesn't sound like the type of story that publishers would pay money for over and over"
[depression]|22:04 boucher says, "Well, it wasn't *the* story"
[depression]|22:05 Allen says, "though, I'm not a big hard-scifi reader. I only recall a few that dealt with heat-death"
[depression]|22:06 Allen says, "and if discount the ones involving My Little Pony, it dwindles to like 2"
[depression]|22:06 jenrexrode asks, "I have a friend who keeps inviting me to theme parties, and I get all passionate about making the costume, then I go to the party in the costume, and people like it, but I still don't have a good time.  hmm?"
[depression]|22:07 Allen says (to jenrexrode), "the secret is to dress your dog in a comparable costume"
[depression]|22:07 Allen says, "and then post it on flickr/youtube"
[depression]|22:07 jenrexrode says, "they say that I did"
[depression]|22:08 boucher says, "Hah, please tell me you're not joking and tell me where to find hard sci-fi extremely long now My Little Pony fiction."
[depression]|22:08 Allen says, "sorry, I'm joking"
[depression]|22:08 boucher says, "Damn"
[depression]|22:09 Allen says, "I do enjoy the MLP crack-fic, though"
[depression]|22:11 jenrexrode | costume
[depression]|22:11 jenrexrode says, "oops"
[depression]|22:11 jenrexrode | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3292532432182&l=f30bbfb491
[depression]|22:14 jenrexrode | Maddie https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3295780193374&l=8dfac6912a
[depression]|22:14 boucher says, "Heh"
[depression]|22:15 jenrexrode says, "I'm glad I took my dog, or I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it."
[lounge]|22:15 borowski wears corduroy suits and plays the accordion. An invincible combination, especially when you consider that he is not a bad artist.
[lounge]|22:15 jenrexrode says, "re"
[lounge]|22:15 borowski says, "re me"
[depression]|22:16 jenrexrode says, "I made the dog's costume years ago"
[depression]|22:17 jenrexrode says, "I guess I should get into cosplay and go to anime cons"
[depression]|22:18 boucher says (to Allen), "After some effort, I've found what appears to be an erotic MLP fanfic involving Twilight Sparkle and Spike, which involves the end of the universe and the beginning of a new one."
[depression]|22:18 boucher says, "I'm not invested enough to read any further, but the fact that it exists is enough."
[depression]|22:19 boucher says, "I've never been a convention sort of person, but I admit, it looks like the people who go do have fun."
[depression]|22:20 boucher says, "Storme is another mudder who discovered joy in cosplay a while back."
[depression]|22:20 jenrexrode says, "I can't imagine I'd "do" anything once I got there."
[depression]|22:20 boucher says, "Do you have an interest in anime?  That would tend to be a prerequisite."
[depression]|22:21 Allen says, "I am extremely disinterested in erotic fanfic"
[depression]|22:21 Allen says, "unless it is so far out there that it is amazing"
[depression]|22:22 jenrexrode says, "yes, I do"
[depression]|22:22 borowski says, "I'm not a big fan of anime but I've always wanted to go to a convention dressed as Spike from Cowboy Bebop."
[depression]|22:22 borowski says, "Maybe less so now that I quit smoking."
[depression]|22:22 boucher says, "I dunno, a dragon that's so sleepy that it sleeps until the end of the universe is pretty out there."
[depression]|22:23 boucher says (to jenrexrode), "Once there, you...I don't know, attend talks with industry people, buy stuff, sit in on screenings of various anime, participate in contests...you know, convention things."
[depression]|22:23 jenrexrode says (to borowski), "cool, I love Spike"
[history]|22:23 Jota asks, "When the US declared its Independence, did it at any point formally declare war? Was it even able to at that point?"
[depression]|22:24 jenrexrode says (to boucher), "sounds doable."
[history]|22:24 Allen asks, "does the wikipedia page on declaration of war (I assume there is one) say anything?"
[depression]|22:24 boucher says (to borowski), "You don't have to light it.  Or you can do a 4kids and suck a lollipop"
[history]|22:25 nothings says, "i MAS no to the first"
[history]|22:25 jenrexrode asks, "don't you have to have some kind of standing to declare war?"
[depression]|22:25 jenrexrode says, "oh, like Sanji on One Piece"
[depression]|22:25 boucher says, "Yeah...heh"
[history]|22:25 Allen | The practice of declaring war has a long history. The ancient Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh gives an account of it,[6] as does the Old Testament.[7][8] However, the practice of declaring war was not always strictly followed. In his study Hostilities without Declaration of War (1883), the British scholar John Frederick Maurice showed that between 1700 and 1870 war was declared in only 10 cases, while in another 107 cases war was waged without such declaration (these figures include only wars waged in Europe and between European states and the United States, not including colonial wars in Africa and Asia).
[depression]|22:26 boucher says, "The edits they did were pretty egregious, but amazingly thorough."
[history]|22:26 Jota says, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States#Formal only mentions it as context for the Indian Wars."
[depression]|22:26 borowski says, "If I had a real cigarette in my mouth, I'd probably end up smoking it. The candy cigarette is sexier anyway."
[depression]|22:26 jenrexrode says, "little red circle edited onto the end of every cig"
[history]|22:26 Allen asks, "we declared war in the Indian Wars?"
[history]|22:26 Jota says, "No."
[history]|22:26 Allen says, "I bet half the casualties were them laughing.. crud"
[depression]|22:26 jenrexrode asks, "do they have cnady cigarettes in america anymore?"
[history]|22:26 Jota says, "The article mentions that the Indian Wars were just considered part of the Revolutionary War."
[history]|22:26 Allen says, "laughing themselves dto death"
[depression]|22:27 boucher says, "I think they're properly illegal to sell to kids now"
[history]|22:27 Allen asks, "really? including the ones in the 1840s?"
[history]|22:27 Jota says, "But it doesn't say anything else about the Revolutionary War."
[history]|22:27 Allen asks, "like Lincoln participated in?"
[depression]|22:27 boucher says, "You can still find them in various places, but they're as regulated as regular cigarettes, so it's hard to find them"
[history]|22:27 Jota | The Indian Wars comprise of at least 28 conflicts and engagements. These localized conflicts, with Native Americans, began with European colonists coming to North America, long before the establishment of the United States. For the purpose of this discussion, the Indian Wars are defined as conflicts with the United States of America. They begin as one front in the American Revolutionary War in 1775 and had concluded by 1918.
[depression]|22:27 jenrexrode says, "dang"
[depression]|22:27 borowski says, "Huh."
[depression]|22:28 jenrexrode says, "when I was a kid, they had a pink tip on the end, but I think the last pack I bought was just solid white"
[depression]|22:28 boucher says, "No law against candy heroin injection kits, though!"
[depression]|22:28 boucher says, "(Which don't exist.  ...at least I don't think they do.)"
[history]|22:29 Allen says, "also, maybe the US didn't think it needed to declare war... after all, the declaration of independence establishes the RIGHT to declare independence when certain conditions are met"
[depression]|22:29 borowski says, "It would help prevent cavities."
[history]|22:29 Allen says, "you don't have to fight a war to establish natural human rights"
[anime]|22:29 * borowski has joined the channel.
[history]|22:30 Allen says, "that would weaken the claim I think"
[history]|22:30 * borowski has joined the channel.
[history]|22:30 Jota asks, "No, but you declare war when you're attacked on your own soil by another sovereign nation, don't you?"
[history]|22:30 Allen says, "maybe, but the articles of confederation didn't establish a nation, per se"
[anime]|22:30 boucher says (to jenrexrode), "By the way, http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/4Kids_Entertainment "
[history]|22:31 Allen asks, "did Massachusetts declare war on the UK, for instance?"
[history]|22:31 Allen says, "by the time the United States of America were declared, the treaty was long signed"
[anime]|22:31 boucher says, "I think I've seen an even more detailed list of every edit made, but this is a good 'summary'"
[anime]|22:31 boucher says, "Considerably more than just the occasional circle on the end of a stick."
[anime]|22:31 borowski asks (of jenrexrode), "Can you recommend any series like Cowboy Bebop?"
[anime]|22:32 boucher says, "Baccano"
[depression]|22:32 jenrexrode says, "Samurai Champloo"
[depression]|22:32 jenrexrode says, "oops"
[band-name]|22:32 borowski says, "Plot Hole Creation"
[anime]|22:32 jenrexrode says, "Samurai Champloo"
[anime]|22:33 boucher says, "It's very non-linear, and has a large cast, so it can take some effort to follow, though."
[anime]|22:33 jenrexrode says, "depends on why you like cowboy bebop..."
[anime]|22:33 jenrexrode says, "also Trigun"
[anime]|22:33 Jota says, "I tried Baccano! and got really, really bored with it within an episode or two."
[anime]|22:34 Jota says, "Possibly it gets better if you stick with it."
[anime]|22:34 jenrexrode says, "if you like music http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoko_Kanno "
[anime]|22:34 Allen says, "no fair recommending Samurai Champloo. Those are the same authors"
[anime]|22:34 Jota says, "But I just couldn't bring myself to care about anyone in it."
[anime]|22:34 Allen says, "also, that contains absolutely no characters worth empathizing about"
[anime]|22:34 Allen says, "(though, I do like it)"
[anime]|22:35 jenrexrode says, "I have about 8 or so Cowboy Bebop CDs"
[band-name]|22:36 borowski says, "I like Cowboy Bebop because of the setting and the combination of plots based on characters and on bounty of the week."
[band-name]|22:36 borowski says, "argh"
[anime]|22:36 K-Y says (to Jota), "well, nobody stands out for quite a while"
[anime]|22:36 borowski says, "I like Cowboy Bebop because of the setting and the combination of plots based on characters and on bounty of the week."
[comics]|22:36 zarf says, "and, jsut like last night, I blow an hour reading League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and then annotations"
[anime]|22:36 K-Y says, "I think you have to care about the web of craziness before you care about any characters"
[anime]|22:36 jenrexrode says, "Outlaw Star"
[comics]|22:38 K-Y asks, "is this the new series?"
[anime]|22:38 Jota says (to Ky), "Mmm. I guess that'd make it a chicken-and-egg problem for me."
[anime]|22:38 boucher says, "As I said, it's very non-linear, so you don't get 'Here's the story of character A', 'Here's the story of character B', etc.  You get little bits and pieces, all jumbled up like Haruhi.  (But unlike Haruhi, with a purpose.)  It starts to take shape once you have enough of the characters' pasts and presents."
[comics]|22:38 zarf says, "it's the two most recent volumes, anyhow"
[comics]|22:38 zarf says, "as far as I know"
[anime]|22:38 nothings says, "haruhi is with a purpose"
[anime]|22:38 Jota says (to boucher), "Yeah, but with Haruhi, you can start caring about some of the characters without having any clue what's what."
[anime]|22:38 K-Y says (to Jota), "that is basically the modus operandi of the author of the source material"
[anime]|22:39 nothings says, "the books, not so much, but the anime it is"
[anime]|22:39 Allen says, "I do really love this video using one of the hip-hop songs by one of the big Samurai Champloo bands:"
[anime]|22:39 Allen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAxgpHWtLC0
[comics]|22:39 K-Y asks, "so, the one where Harry Potter is emblematic of the downfall of culture?"
[anime]|22:39 boucher says, "The anime was conceived in a linear fashion.  They admitted shuffling the chapters was a last-minute gimmick to try and interest people."
[comics]|22:39 zarf says, "and kills Quatermain with his donger, yes"
[anime]|22:39 Allen says, "they have another video with amputees caused by landmines in cambodia.... that's kinda disturbing, or maybe glorious"
[comics]|22:39 zarf says, "sorry, wand. I'm sure I meant wand"
[anime]|22:39 nothings says (to boucher), "they've been reported to have said lots of things"
[anime]|22:40 Jota says, "I wonder if I should ever try the second season of Haruhi again."
[anime]|22:40 nothings says, "it's clearly the case that naive order of S1 has a giant climax at the middle and a dull end. so i do believe they shuffled them for pacing reasons"
[comics]|22:40 Whizzard asks, "Huh, they're doing Harry Potter in Extraordinary Gentlemen too?"
[anime]|22:40 nothings says, "it's certainly different from writing/making the whole thing knowing the non-linear order, but it's still for a good purpose"
[comics]|22:41 zarf says, "everything gets done"
[comics]|22:41 zarf says, "but HP gets a particular stab"
[anime]|22:41 boucher says, ">SAY "KYON-KUN, DENWA~". G. G. G. G. G. G. G."
[comics]|22:41 Whizzard says, "I mean, I like it in Unwritten, but that ties into the main schtick pretty strong."
[anime]|22:41 nothings says, "THAT is a separate issue"
[anime]|22:41 nothings says, "which is why I said 'S1'"
[anime]|22:41 Jota says (to boucher), "Eeeagh. OK, the flashback convinced me that no, I am not ready to try it again."
[anime]|22:42 boucher says, "I maintain the directors at Kyoani are trolls in training.  Once they're fully mature, they go to work for experts like Gainax"
[anime]|22:42 nothings asks (of Jota), "did you see the movie?"
[anime]|22:43 K-Y says, "I did hear that Disappearance redeems everything"
[anime]|22:43 nothings says, "it's worth seeing first ep of S2, and really you might as well see S2 but only watch first/last of EE"
[anime]|22:43 nothings says, "and then Disappearance"
[anime]|22:43 Allen says, "here's the depressing, wonderful Cambodian one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owLWGfZ6Wo0 "
[anime]|22:43 K-Y says (to boucher), "also, *every* studio trolls now"
[anime]|22:44 K-Y says, "I assume it's the only way to cope with the disappearing margins and the insane fans"
[anime]|22:44 Jota asks (of nothing), "I don't think so. It it come out after S2?"
[anime]|22:45 Jota says, "I've seen S2 up through the end of EE."
[comics]|22:45 Whizzard says, "Incidentally, Unwritten has been pretty good so far. I'm a few issues behind, mind, but so far so good."
[anime]|22:45 K-Y says, "yes, after S2"
[anime]|22:45 jenrexrode says, "I'm trying to remember which ones made me cry"
[anime]|22:45 K-Y says, "it was the major story that everyone had previously pegged as the centerpiece of S2"
[anime]|22:45 Jota says, "And after that marathon I suddenly realized that I was completely drained of any actual interest in seeing the rest of S2 and had only finished EE out of some strange sense of curiosity combined with self-harm."
[anime]|22:45 jenrexrode says, "of course I cry while watching Naruto..."
[anime]|22:45 boucher asks, "In Japan, even nature trolls anime fans.  Did you see http://www.seaslugteam.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ocnk10_0544.jpg ?"
[anime]|22:46 nothings says, "you can just skip straight to Disappearance, then"
[anime]|22:46 boucher says, "(It was during the tsunami, the warning map in the corner is customary in situations like this.  The scene is an unfortunate coincidence, but still ironic)"
[anime]|22:47 nothings says, "in theory, Sigh (the rest of S2) has some character development, but it's not super-important"
[anime]|22:48 nothings says, "it tells the story of the making of Adventures of Mikuru Asahina, so it's retraversing some semi-familiar terrain (over 5 episodes)"
[anime]|22:49 nothings says (to borowski), "sorry for the derail from Cowboy-Bebop-like recs"
[anime]|22:49 Allen asks, "oh yeah, the tsunami... remember that? There were hours... HOURS upon HOURS that no one knew if maru the cat was ok. And then he was ok. It was proved by the news. Then there were months of after news reports about boring nuclear weaks, but who cares about that?"
[anime]|22:49 Allen says, "there was no maru angle"
[anime]|22:50 jenrexrode says, "oh,I never thought to worry about Maru"
[anime]|22:51 Allen asks, "what kind of heartless person are you??"
[law]|22:51 Jota | At least one commentator, writing in the context of microchip implantation, has argued that it is both possible and desirable to extend existing law to reach the conclusion that "anything within an individual's body [is] the property of that individual."  Elaine M. Ramesh, Time Enough? Consequences of Human Microchip Implantation, 8 Risk: Health Safety & Env.t 373, 403 (1997).
[law]|22:51 Jota says, "This would have interesting repercussions for people stealing small objects, like jewellery."
[anime]|22:51 jenrexrode says, "oh, I meant to mention that on #depression"
[law]|22:52 Jota says, "'<gulp> Sorry, those diamonds are *mine*, now!'"
[lounge]|22:52 zarf walks off through the wall; deep blue light flares briefly around him.
[anime]|22:52 Allen | After the March 2011 earthquakes in Japan, mugumogu reported from Maru's blog that Maru was safe and unharmed, though a carrying case was prepared in the event of an evacuation.[10]
[law]|22:53 Jota wonders if Allen Googled for that or just grepped his logs.
[anime]|22:53 Jota wonders if Allen Googled for that or just grepped his logs.
[law]|22:53 Jota says, "Ilac."
[anime]|22:54 jenrexrode says, "reading about people crying over anime, and they keep mentioing One Piece.  uh oh.  I guess when I pick it up again, there will be crying."
[anime]|22:54 Allen says, "googled it. Hold on, for logs"
[anime]|22:54 Allen | home-2011-03-11:[news] Allen | Breaking news from Japan: Maru the internet-famous cat is safe and sound
[anime]|22:56 borowski says, "heh"
[anime]|22:57 borowski says (to nothing), "No problem. Derails are half the fun."
[anime]|22:57 nothings says, "man, reading the 5-star reviews of Haruhi S2 on Amazon is breaking my brain"
[anime]|22:57 Allen says, "here is the original post from that HARROWing time: http://sisinmaru.blog17.fc2.com/blog-entry-835.html "
[anime]|22:57 nothings says, "(they all love EE)"
[anime]|22:58 Jota asks, "Perhaps they're all trolling as well?"
[anime]|22:58 Jota says, "Or perhaps they didn't actually watch EE."
[anime]|22:58 Jota says, "And just liked the abstract concept of it."
[anime]|22:58 nothings says, "i suppose"
[anime]|22:59 boucher says, "Amazon is the site where people rave about the magical healing properties of expensive milk"
[anime]|22:59 boucher says, "I'm not prepared to believe anyone at this point"
[anime]|23:00 boucher says, "I should post a music review.  'I thought this album was genius!'"
[anime]|23:00 boucher says, "'...until I realized my CD player was just skipping, and I finally heard the rest of it.'"
[anime]|23:01 borowski says, "Ah, I thought you meant, 'This anime was the best album of all time!'"
[anime]|23:02 Jota exclaims, "I thought it was the milk!"
[anime]|23:02 Jota says, "(OK, not really, but I was holding out hope.)"
[lyrics]|23:04 Allen | You, what are you saying? / The little starling of Paris, / The little thing: (who's there? / Pass, knave. By the holy head of God / It is time to go drinking) / Wise, courteous and well versed. / Go to the sermon, my mistress. / Get thee to Mass, Madam. / To St. Trotin to show your tits / And sweet looks.
[anime]|23:04 boucher says, "It was all three, a track from an anime soundtrack called 'Gyuunyuu wa kawaii desu ne'"
[depression]|23:05 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:07 Jota | "WHEN GERTRUDE JANEWAY died in 2003, she was still getting a monthly cheque for $70 from the Veterans Administration--for a military pension earned by her late husband, John, on the Union side of the American civil war that ended in 1865. The pair had married in 1927, when he was 81 and she was 18. The amount may have been modest but the entitlement spanned three centuries, illustrating just how long pension commitments can last."
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:09 K-Y says, "strangely romantic somehow"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:10 Allen says, "wait, I thought that "last civil war widow was a gimmick, a myth""
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:11 Allen says, "oh, she was a union widow"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:11 Jota exclaims, "Of course, she wasn't the widow of a terrorist!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:12 Allen says, "the last confederate widow died in 2004"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:14 borowski says, "And people said I was crazy when I warned about civil war soldiers being a drain on the system."
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:16 DorianX says, "Um."
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:16 Allen says, "I bet in 20-25 years the last WWII veterans will be doling out weddings to enable their wdiows to be the last"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:16 DorianX says, "So yeah, drain o nthe system and all"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:16 DorianX says, "but we are talking about less money than I make in a year"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:16 DorianX says, "Spread out over three centuries"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:16 DorianX says, "I think the taxpayer can afford it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:16 Allen says, "if I were 105 and survived D-Day, I'd be looking for hawt young babes to consumate my marriage (we it 2030)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:18 borowski says (to DorianX), "I was being silly."
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:18 vaporware says, "Area Fatcat Makes More Money In One Year Than Three Centuries' Worth Of Military Pensions"
[apropos-of-nothing]|23:22 jenrexrode says, "hehe"
[kitties]|23:26 borowski says, "Speaking of area fat cats, Messy is still in love with sleeping on my bookbag."
[kitties]|23:27 jenrexrode says, "heh"
[lyrics]|23:28 boucher says, "Man, they sure had elaborate ways of saying 'Tits or GTFO' in those days"
[jendoodle]|23:31 jenrexrode says, "this 2 computers thing isn't bad, except nothing else is getting done"
[jendoodle]|23:31 boucher says, "Two computers, one Jen"
[jendoodle]|23:31 jenrexrode says, "had to make room in the middle for Poirot"
[jendoodle]|23:32 boucher asks, "Is he just sitting there, staring at you inquisitively from between the monitors?"
[jendoodle]|23:33 jenrexrode says, "whenever he gets the chance"
[jendoodle]|23:33 jenrexrode says, "right now developing characters"
[firstworldproblems]|23:35 ghira says, "wakes"
[firstworldproblems]|23:35 jenrexrode asks, "really?"
[lounge]|23:35 ghira wakes
[lounge]|23:35 jenrexrode says, "hehe h"
[firstworldproblems]|23:35 Allen says, "yeah in the second world, no one ever wakes"
[firstworldproblems]|23:35 ghira says, "must have had some stuff typed hours ago there. sorry"
[firstworldproblems]|23:35 jenrexrode says, "oh, I was thinking about those ceremonies"
[firstworldproblems]|23:36 jenrexrode says, "that reminds me of that thing Allen said when he came back"
[firstworldproblems]|23:36 jenrexrode says, "something about getting a job in burg..."
[firstworldproblems]|23:36 Allen says, "first world vs VAMPIRE world"
[firstworldproblems]|23:36 Allen says, "oh that. I don't have any clue what I was saying"
[firstworldproblems]|23:37 Allen says, "I must have typed that before I left to go out of town saturday"
[firstworldproblems]|23:38 borowski says, "Everytime I find myself complaining about technology, and I stop and think, 'At least this cellphone isn't a sexy vampire.'"
[hedgehog]|23:38 ghira says, "oho. a breakfast order today"
[hedgehog]|23:40 borowski asks, "What do hedgehogs eat?"
[hedgehog]|23:40 ghira says, "these ones eat cat biscuits"
[hedgehog]|23:41 ghira says, "wikipedia claims they normally eat insects and slugs and so on. they seem to wolf down as much kitten food as they can get. (we get them kitten food because the pieces are smaller)"
[hedgehog]|23:42 ghira says, "wikipedia claims they enjoy watermelon. well maybe, but we're not getting them any."
[hedgehog]|23:42 borowski says, "Interesting. The kitten food is probably high in protein."
[personals]|23:42 genericgeekgirl | So when are we getting married :-) ?
[personals]|23:43 genericgeekgirl says, "That would almost be cute if we had like a 99% match. But.. 37%? No."
[kitties]|23:43 jenrexrode says, "oh, I guess I was injured in one of the last go 'rounds between Dexter and Nermal"
[personals]|23:43 nothings says, "yikes"
[hedgehog]|23:43 ghira says, "cat food was recommended on some web page about looking after hedgehogs"
[personals]|23:43 nothings says, "oh yeah, i deleted my okcupid profile"
[hedgehog]|23:43 ghira says, "we may get some hedgehog houses in time for winter"
[personals]|23:43 borowski says, "That's more like 'When are we getting married :-P ?'"
[hedgehog]|23:44 ghira says, "last year we got multiple hedgehogs more often so got to see them rotating and hear them puffing"
[hedgehog]|23:44 borowski says, "Oh, cute."
[hedgehog]|23:45 borowski says, "I don't think I've ever seen a hedgehog before."
[lounge]|23:45 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, deep blue this time of day.
[lounge]|23:45 jenrexrode says, "hey zarf"
[lounge]|23:45 zarf says, "hi again"
[hedgehog]|23:46 ghira says, "wiki claims they're not native to the US so you probably wouldn't have seen them there unless zoos have them"
[hedgehog]|23:46 borowski says, "Ah."
[hedgehog]|23:46 ghira says, "and they're nocturnal _and_ pretty shy around our parts at least"
[workplace]|23:47 jenrexrode says, "yay - only have to get ready for 2 days of work"
[hedgehog]|23:47 ghira says, "AB had never seen one until about 2006"
[workplace]|23:48 ghira asks, "why?"
[workplace]|23:48 jenrexrode says, "independence day, federal govt holiday"
[workplace]|23:48 jenrexrode says, "on Wednesday"
[workplace]|23:48 ghira says, "july 4th, oh yes"
[hedgehog]|23:48 borowski says, "I'd like to meet one. They seem awfully cute."
[workplace]|23:48 ghira says, "I thought only 2 days total this week"
[hedgehog]|23:49 ghira says, "they are quite cute. and faster-moving than you might expect, when they want to be"
[workplace]|23:49 jenrexrode says, "nah, 2 days follow, but they're on their own"
[workplace]|23:49 borowski asks, "Vacation time?"
[hedgehog]|23:50 ghira says, "you probably want to meet two so you can see the orbiting dance they do"
[workplace]|23:50 jenrexrode says, "Friday is my last day before 2 weeks vacation"
[workplace]|23:51 ghira says, "I had a pretty strange job interview on Friday. I'm trying to work out if I should withdraw my application or wait for them to say no."
[workplace]|23:51 jenrexrode says, "people keep suggesting they'll come to visit during the 2 weeks, but if I don't bring it up, they may stay away.  I really think doing my own thing for 2 weeks will help me with my workaday life."
[workplace]|23:52 ghira asks, "this is a staycation then?"
[workplace]|23:52 borowski says, "So, I'll be there on Monday with 2 cats and other people -- err..."
[workplace]|23:52 jenrexrode says, "oh yeah, except for watching the Tour de France on TV"
[workplace]|23:53 jenrexrode says, "OTOH maybe borowski turning things upside down is what I need"
[hedgehog]|23:53 ghira says, "just so you know, they don't interact with people to any significant extent. they arrive, eat their food, and go away. if you make enough of a noise they may freeze or run away."
[hedgehog]|23:54 borowski says, "Yeah, I've heard of people keeping them as pets, but I figured those were wild."
[hedgehog]|23:54 ghira says, "they fight or orbit each other, and pay essentially no attention to anything else. the mi and the hedgehogs mostly ignore each other."
[workplace]|23:54 borowski says, "Hmm. I've always wanted to do a Cat in the Hat type thing."
[workplace]|23:54 jenrexrode says, "heh. eek"
[hedgehog]|23:55 ghira says, "I think they'd make pretty terrible pets."
[google]|23:55 Jota | About 172,000 results
[google]|23:55 Jota says, "For 'hedgehug'."
[google]|23:55 borowski says, "haha"
[google]|23:55 ghira says, "ouch"
[google]|23:56 borowski | Hedgehug: A Sharp Lesson in Love
[google]|23:57 jenrexrode says, "the Mi declines"
[google]|23:57 ghira says, "she's vanished completely for several hours each day this weekend"
[google]|23:57 ghira says, "we're not sure what she's up to"
[google]|23:57 jenrexrode says, "I'm sure it's refusing hedgehugs"
[google]|23:57 ghira says, "she comes back covered in seeds, so she's probably found a new bush"
[kitties]|23:59 jenrexrode asks, "does the Mi permit grooming?"
[firstworldproblems]|00:00 jenrexrode says, "I hurt my butt playing computers too long"
[kitties]|00:02 jenrexrode says, "I may be buried in junkmail"
[kitties]|00:02 jenrexrode says, "oops"
[kitties]|00:03 jenrexrode says, "ilac"
[kitties]|00:04 borowski says, "heh"
[lounge]|00:06 BrenBarn busta.
[lounge]|00:08 jenrexrode says, "hiya BB"
[lounge]|00:09 BrenBarn says, "hi"
[Austin]|00:13 jenrexrode says, "huh, a Chronicle from June 1, 'Chaos in Tejas'"
[Austin]|00:13 jenrexrode says, "I guess they rhyme"
[Austin]|00:14 jenrexrode says, "oh, it's about music"
[Austin]|00:15 jenrexrode says, "a festival I totally don't know about"
[lyrics]|00:16 * borowski has joined the channel.
[firstworldproblems]|00:19 jenrexrode says, "wow, this junkmail dates back to January"
[firstworldproblems]|00:20 borowski says, "I got a piece of mail that I was convinced was complete junk: unmarked other than 'Free Offer Inside!'"
[firstworldproblems]|00:20 borowski says, "It turns out to be a free month of Netflix."
[firstworldproblems]|00:20 jenrexrode says, "oh"
[firstworldproblems]|00:23 jenrexrode says, "if it involves a followup action, I'm not interested.  I have too many obligations"
[firstworldproblems]|00:25 borowski says, "I'm sure that it charges you after a month if you don't cancel."
[lounge]|00:28 nothings says, "reboot"
[lounge]|00:28 nothings goes home.
[firstworldproblems]|00:29 jenrexrode says, "ick"
[Windows-sux]|00:38 * borowski has joined the channel.
[lounge]|00:45 borowski's father was a philatelist.
[lounge]|00:45 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|00:45 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|00:45 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|00:46 boucher and at least a dozen men, some of them little better off than he was, explained to him that wheel and car were no longer joined by any physical bond.
[lounge]|00:47 borowski is now in glorious BLACK AND WHITE!
[drwho]|00:51 borowski says, "Wow, The Green Death is a long serial (2 1/2 hours)."
[drwho]|00:52 borowski says, "It's pretty good so far though."
[drwho]|00:56 boucher says, "Yeah, it was a decent one"
[drwho]|00:56 jenrexrode says, "cool, I've never watched dr who that didn't appear on my TV."
[drwho]|00:56 borowski says (to jenrexrode), "With Netflix you can watch all the Dr. Who you want :)"
[drwho]|00:56 boucher says, "Also, it was the first Pertwee serial my PBS station had a copy of in color, giving its title as well as its contents more poignancy."
[drwho]|00:57 borowski says, "I was surprised to see the 3rd Doctor doing some ass kicking."
[drwho]|00:57 jenrexrode says, "yeaj, I'm too lame"
[drwho]|00:57 boucher says, "The Third Doctor did a lot of asskicking.  He remains in my mind the 'Action Doctor'"
[drwho]|00:57 boucher says, "He was all about car chases and kung-fu chops"
[drwho]|00:58 borowski says, "I had only watched a couple of serials with him and I thought he was stuffy and aloof but now I'm liking him more."
[drwho]|00:58 borowski says, "I can't remember if I mentioned watching The Waters of Mars, but I thought that was really good."
[drwho]|00:58 boucher says, "Pertwee was a bit of a vehicle nut, so they had to add the occasional car chase to appease him, which extended in later epsiodes to giving him his own hovercar and miniplane IIRC (only via special effects, though)"
[drwho]|00:59 jenrexrode says, "probably not-so-special"
[drwho]|00:59 boucher says, "Yeah, it was pretty decent"
[drwho]|01:00 borowski says, "The monster of the week was so so, but the speech the Doctor gave while he was in the airlock was moving."
[drwho]|01:00 boucher says, "It was the early days of CSO, so everything had a shimmering outline when they used it"
[drwho]|01:00 jenrexrode asks, "oh, so better than the puppet bad guys?"
[drwho]|01:01 jenrexrode says, "I vaguely remember an evil potted plant"
[drwho]|01:01 borowski says, "Yeah, I wonder what caused that."
[jendoodle]|01:02 jenrexrode says, "argh, I hope I'm not in trouble with any bills."
[jendoodle]|01:02 jenrexrode says, "I guess I can pay my car insurance online"
[drwho]|01:02 boucher says, "Evil-brand fertilizer, ask for it by name"
[jendoodle]|01:03 jenrexrode says, "It's July 2nd and I have paid anything"
[drwho]|01:03 borowski says, "Oh, I was talking about the Waters of Mars, as far as the speech in the airlock."
[drwho]|01:03 boucher says, "One of the more infamous 'monsters' of the Pertwee era in my mind was the time a man was eaten by an inflatable chair."
[drwho]|01:03 borowski says, "That's a newish one so the effects are pretty good."
[drwho]|01:03 jenrexrode says, "I'm not watching waters of mars again, unless there's some kind of monetary or social payoff"
[drwho]|01:03 boucher says, "My memory is poor, so I can't get a fix on what you're referring to."
[drwho]|01:04 ghira says, "one of the auton stories has man being eaten by chair"
[drwho]|01:04 boucher says (to ghira), "Yes, I know.  That was what I was referring to"
[drwho]|01:04 boucher says, "O"
[drwho]|01:04 borowski says, "When the Doctor is about to leave the station and is telling the captain about her fate and then he has decided if he is going to help out or not."
[drwho]|01:04 ghira says (to boucher), "I know you know"
[drwho]|01:04 boucher says, "I'm trying to remember the airlock speech."
[drwho]|01:05 ghira says (to boucher), "I thought boro was referring to that not speech, sorry"
[drwho]|01:05 borowski says, "He's already wearing his space suit and they are fighting off the monsters."
[drwho]|01:05 boucher says, "Ah"
[drwho]|01:06 borowski says, "I found it pretty moving but I'm also a sap."
[drwho]|01:06 boucher says, "Heh, I've been having a tour of sappy Doctor Who moments recently myself"
[lounge]|01:06 Tale displays his humanitarian side by placing a suppressor on his pistol when shooting in front of a Hospital Quiet Zone.
[lounge]|01:07 Tale says, "hi"
[lounge]|01:07 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[drwho]|01:07 borowski says, "I thought David Tennant did a good job of doing a complete emotional 180 at the end without it being corny."
[drwho]|01:07 boucher says, "Once upon a time, I didn't get suckered into emotional bits, but now I do."
[lounge]|01:07 Ellison says, "hey Tale"
[drwho]|01:08 boucher says, "Mm...that was moving, but it got a bit much for me."
[drwho]|01:08 borowski says, "I've found myself being able to separate corny monsters from the good bits."
[drwho]|01:08 boucher says, "I mean, there's saying goodbye, and then there's taking a 5-year victory lap"
[drwho]|01:08 borowski says, "Yeah."
[drwho]|01:09 Tale says, "The end was far too overwrought."
[drwho]|01:09 borowski says, "Well, I thought it was signaling that The End of Time was going to be really deep..."
[drwho]|01:09 borowski says, "And then, not so much."
[drwho]|01:09 Tale says, "Even Baker with his 7/8 year tenure had the decency to just fall off that thing, say goodbye and regenerate."
[drwho]|01:10 boucher says, "4 and 5's regeneration scenes were about right for me."
[drwho]|01:10 borowski says, "Oh yeah, the regeneration was ridiculous."
[drwho]|01:10 Tale says, "I must say I liked his line "I don't want to go" That was fitting to his character"
[drwho]|01:11 borowski says, "Yeah, I had never thought that regeneration was like dying."
[drwho]|01:12 boucher says, "I'm not sure how I feel about New Who's whole 'you regenerate, then cough up magic dust for a few days, during which anything's possible before settling down' addition"
[drwho]|01:12 boucher says, "I guess I can deal with ti"
[drwho]|01:12 boucher says, "it"
[drwho]|01:13 Tale says, "One difference I noticed is that New Who makes far too much fuss about the fact that the doctor is the all-powerfull 900 years old chap"
[drwho]|01:13 Tale says, "Whereas in old Who there was far more unintental bumbling and real terror"
[drwho]|01:14 boucher says, "Well, but the end of the past season actually takes that and runs with it, making it clear that firstly, that was a change from who he used to be, and secondly, you can't do that without turning the entire universe against you."
[drwho]|01:14 boucher says, "And so, seemingly ending with the conclusion that he needs to start keeping his head down and being inconspicuous, I hope that signals a return to small-time Doctor Who, where he travels around, getting into trouble, but not intentionally boasting about it."
[drwho]|01:15 Tale says, "Looking back, 11th doctor seasons were mainly very confusing for me."
[drwho]|01:15 Tale says, "I couldn't connect to anything, because I was mainly scratching my head."
[drwho]|01:16 boucher says, "Really?  It seems reasonably straightforward, having rewatched a good handful of them recently."
[lounge]|01:17 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[drwho]|01:17 Tale says, "I find the overarching plot confusing. Not really confusing, but I couldn't connect to it meaningful."
[drwho]|01:18 Tale says, "And the trick for who LIke Silencio thing seems cheap."
[drwho]|01:18 Tale says, ""For who" should "for the whole""
[lounge]|01:18 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|01:18 * K-Y has disconnected.
[lounge]|01:18 olethros is an act of war against the conniving silence and generalised imprisonment produced by the modern world.
[lounge]|01:19 olethros says, "morning"
[drwho]|01:19 boucher says, "It was mildly cheap, but I'll take that over an RTD ending any day."
[lounge]|01:19 jenrexrode says, "hey"
[drwho]|01:19 boucher says, "At least we were given some meaningful clues by a man who has some concept of what foreshadowing is."
[drwho]|01:20 boucher says, "He may lay it on a bit thick, and like tying things together a bit much, but I'll forgive it because when he wants to be subtly clever, he can do that too."
[lounge]|01:20 borowski says, "Hey Ole"
[drwho]|01:21 Tale says, "Sure, he's a whole different league then RTD. And he made the doctor alien again."
[drwho]|01:21 boucher says, "'A thing remembered is never truly gone' may only be a shade away from the clap if you believe in Time Lords solution to de-Dobbyizing the Doctor, but I still think it worked better."
[drwho]|01:22 boucher says, "Also, that may be one of the most densely referenced things I've typed in a long while."
[drwho]|01:23 boucher says, "Doctor Who, Peter Pan, and Harry Potter, all in one sentence."
[drwho]|01:23 borowski says (to boucher), "You should write a webcomic."
[drwho]|01:24 Tale says, "I liked how they typed that into the whole marriage rhyme. I wonder why nobody thought of that before. It's really obviously the TARDIS."
[drwho]|01:25 boucher says, "Yeah, actually, as much as I like him, I wanted to hit Steven Moffat for that."
[drwho]|01:26 boucher says, "I mean, there's clever and then there's smugly overly clever, and I could just about feel him sitting there waiting to be patted on the back for thinking that up."
[drwho]|01:26 olethros asks, "what?"
[drwho]|01:26 olethros asks, "tardis as a woman?"
[drwho]|01:27 boucher says, "No...something old, something new, something borrowed, and something blue."
[drwho]|01:27 Tale says (to olethros), "Something old, something new. Something borrowed, something blue."
[drwho]|01:27 olethros asks, "yeah, and ... where does this rhyme come up?"
[drwho]|01:27 ghira says, "i need to watch that ep in Italian, given that in Italy it's supposed to be something red"
[drwho]|01:27 boucher says, "At the Rory and Amy's wedding reception"
[drwho]|01:27 ghira says (to olethros), "end of s5"
[drwho]|01:27 Tale says (to ghira), "ha ha"
[drwho]|01:27 olethros says, "aha, ok"
[drwho]|01:28 olethros asks, "and it's a well-known english rhyme that just happens to fit?"
[tale]|01:28 Tale says (to ghira), "Recap for my latest experience with The Clangers"
[tale]|01:28 olethros says, "you should totally tweet that"
[tale]|01:29 ghira says, "fwiw AB had never seen clangers as a kid but throughly enjoyed it"
[lounge]|01:29 ghira says, "orf. back later maybe"
[drwho]|01:29 boucher says, "Well, no...before that, the Doctor sits by sleeping young Amelia's bedside, sure he's going to be erased from existence, and gives a long, exhausted, rambling story about his life, how he borrowed the TARDIS.  An ancient thing, very old.  But how it looked brand new, shiny to him.  And how very blue it was.  The bluest, blue, etc."
[lounge]|01:30 zarf walks off through the wall; pale green light flares briefly around him.
[drwho]|01:31 boucher says, "And that, combined with the multiple speeches he gave about how something could be brought back if it was remembered ultimately allowed her to recover him from oblivion when she connected it with the wedding saying."
[drwho]|01:32 Tale says, "I don't think it was blue when he stole it"
[drwho]|01:34 boucher says, "I don't know what the additional fiction says, but I don't think there was any indication in the TV series of what appearance it had on Gallifrey.  Either it was already stuck as a police box, or it got stuck on its initial change when he brought it to Earth."
[drwho]|01:34 Tale says, "I find the latter far more likely."
[drwho]|01:34 boucher says, "It's possible it had previously been on Earth"
[drwho]|01:35 Tale says, "Because, if it already was Police Box shaped, it would've been on Earth before. Let's not open that can of worms."
[drwho]|01:35 Tale says, "The series will end with the 12th doctor playing the TARDIS on Gallifrey, creating the ultimate paradox."
[drwho]|01:35 Tale says, "*placing*"
[drwho]|01:36 jenrexrode looks up TARDIS chameleon circuit
[drwho]|01:36 boucher says, "Whatever the case, its chameleon circuit was inoperable at all points (until the 6th Doctor's unsuccessful experiments), so it's not unlikely that it had never changed form since the Doctor took it."
[drwho]|01:38 Lionheart says, "Well, tardis.wikia.com informs me that default TARDIS exteriors looked like plain gray cabinets with a sliding door, from The War Games."
[drwho]|01:38 Tale says, "And so he first travelled to 1960s earth, knowing it would fit in."
[drwho]|01:38 boucher says, "Yeah...The Master seemed to make good use of his, but other Time Lords seemed to be very functional."
[drwho]|01:38 boucher says, "The Rani tended to use fairly abstract designs"
[drwho]|01:38 Lionheart says, "The Time Meddler made good use of his too, iirc."
[drwho]|01:40 Lionheart says, "OTOH, in Logopolis, Four tells Adric he "borrowed" the TARDIS while she was in for repairs, before they got around to "doing the chameleon conversion"."
[drwho]|01:41 Lionheart says, "Which lends some weight to "it was broken when he got it""
[drwho]|01:41 boucher says, "Yeah, it's been reinforced a lot that it was not a fully functional TARDIS"
[drwho]|01:41 boucher says, "But how broken and in what specific ways, and whether intermittent or continuously broken are all open to debate"
[drwho]|01:42 Tale says, "time for a prequel on how it giot that shape"
[drwho]|01:43 boucher says, "Also, it's suggested that his was obsolete, bordering on decommissioning at the time, while the others seen in the series were at least slightly if not considerably newer."
[drwho]|01:45 boucher says, "I must say, in a geeky tangent, I was pleased when the most recent series reintroduced certain sound effects in the TARDIS console room"
[drwho]|01:46 boucher says, "Such as when River Song stabilized the TARDIS and got it to fly smoothly, and their landing was signalled by an 80's era bong sound effect."
[drwho]|01:48 boucher says, "I also appreciate the general return of the cloister bell.  Even if it was only established in Logopolis, I still consider it a reasonable callback for old series fans, and it's one of the reasons I sometimes feel people who only began with the new series are missing out, quite apart from my irrational fondness for the old episodes."
[drwho]|01:49 Tale says, "I like Old Who, too"
[drwho]|01:50 Tale says, "I've started Dragonfire yesterday, which is great"
[drwho]|01:50 boucher says, "Heh...I liked it.  I also mock the literal cliffhanger."
[drwho]|01:51 Tale says, "I only watched ep1. I don't see any clear reason for climbing over that railing."
[drwho]|01:51 boucher asks, "You did watch The Mysterious Planet (Episodes 1-4 of Trial of a Timelord), right?"
[drwho]|01:51 Tale says, "I think so, yeah."
[drwho]|01:51 boucher asks, "Well, you know who Glitz is, right?"
[drwho]|01:51 Tale says, "In the last years, I watched a ton of stuff, so I tend to forget some."
[drwho]|01:52 Tale says, "Oh yes, of course."
[drwho]|01:52 boucher says, "Right, so you did."
[drwho]|01:52 Tale says, "(also, #firstworldproblems)"
[drwho]|01:52 boucher says, "Heh"
[drwho]|01:54 Tale says, "Holy Moses! Ace lost her virginity to Glitz? Fuck you, EU"
[drwho]|01:54 boucher says, "'Say, Tale, isn't it wonderful to be living in the year 1928.  Did you see last night's television broadcast?  By which I mean the only television broadcast.  My, but that was a novelty.  Well, I must go, as we are tying up the only telephone in town.  Good-bye.'"
[drwho]|01:57 boucher says, "I don't really acknowledge the content of books unless they answer questions I really want answered."
[drwho]|01:57 boucher says, "That is not one of them"
[drwho]|01:58 Tale says, "Indeed. But I dig this piece of trivia:"
[drwho]|01:58 Tale | Ace was the final female television companion to date not to kiss, or to be kissed by, the Doctor until one-off companion Adelaide Brooke in 2009
[drwho]|01:59 boucher says, "Well, yes, but old Doctor Who was asexual.  Even when it would have otherwise been creepy for an old man to travel all over the universe with a young girl, they pulled it off, because...well, he was an alien, so it was alright!"
[drwho]|02:00 boucher says, "Now they can't do anything ever again without creating weirdness."
[drwho]|02:00 Tale says, "11 was clearly asexual in that one scene with Amy. Then there was River."
[drwho]|02:01 boucher says, "Even the Amy (and even earlier, Madame de Pompadour) thing was a little disturbing.  What a way to 'groom' a girl.  Simply show up during her childhood, impress yourself upon her at a young age, then show up later to find she's obsessed with you."
[UK]|02:02 olethros asks, "when people say 'mist' do they mean 'really fine rain that gets everywhere' or do they mean 'fog'?"
[UK]|02:02 vimes says, "i mean 'really fine rain that gets everywhere'"
[drwho]|02:02 boucher says, "That he refused Amy was very ethical.  That she threw herself at him was...well, damaged."
[drwho]|02:02 jenrexrode says, "I guess I better pay this car insurance before I get on the road again"
[drwho]|02:02 jenrexrode says, "whoops"
[UK]|02:02 olethros asks, "ok the question is: what does the met office mean?"
[drwho]|02:03 boucher says, "TARDIS insurance will cost you extra"
[jendoodle]|02:03 jenrexrode says, "- blah blah - need to pay car ins"
[drwho]|02:03 Tale says, "Insurance of the Daleks"
[drwho]|02:03 jenrexrode says, "talk about comprehensive coverage"
[drwho]|02:04 boucher says, "Also, millions of virgins who had previously identified with The Doctor protested when the TV Movie *changed everything*.  Suddenly, once he'd kissed a girl, it was blasphemy"
[drwho]|02:04 Tale says, "EXTERMINATE all worries with our new cover-all policy!"
[drwho]|02:04 Tale says, "I agree with the blasphemy angle."
[drwho]|02:05 boucher says, "Stoically avoiding relationships was the cornerstone of who he was, to them."
[drwho]|02:05 boucher says, "I tend to straddle the fence.  I believe that is who he was, and then he had a midlife crisis, and now needs young girlfriends to stay happy."
[drwho]|02:06 boucher says, "Very young, in relative terms"
[drwho]|02:06 boucher says, "And now we're back with the jailbait angle"
[drwho]|02:07 boucher says, "Except, since timelords have a law against involvement at all, I don't imagine the penalty differs depending on the age of the alien he decides to interfere with."
[UK]|02:08 boucher asks, "Is met perhaps short for Metro[politan Something or other]?"
[drwho]|02:08 Tale says, "He's not really hitting on anyone even know, is he. I mean, apart from River."
[drwho]|02:08 Tale says, "Hee seemed to be excited about marrying her. And kissing."
[drwho]|02:10 boucher says, "Yeah, for now, the tension has moved to River, which is fairly harmless.  You know, destroying reality and all that.  But at least nothing immoral."
[drwho]|02:10 olethros says, "the end... of ??? ... itself!"
[drwho]|02:11 boucher says, "Well, getting married tends to mean 'the end... of drunken nights out with your friends ... itself!'"
[drwho]|02:12 boucher says, "But since The Doctor has no friends he hasn't kidnapped or barged into or killed, that's probably not an issue."
[drwho]|02:13 boucher says, "Aw, I just suddenly felt bad"
[drwho]|02:14 Tale says, "Aha, here is finally what I don't get about the Lake SIlenco thing."
[drwho]|02:14 Tale asks, "Is #spoilers necessary?"
[drwho]|02:14 boucher says, "That actually does suck.  To not have anyone who will associate with you who you haven't either mesmerized into joining you because you promised them a whimsy tour of the galaxy or who needs you to not die or something.  And everyone else you knew is gone or dead or doesn't want to see you, or you can't see them again because of laws of time or some such."
[drwho]|02:15 boucher says, "Might as well.  I've been freely ignoring requirements for #spoilers, but I guess we should"
[spoilers]|02:17 Tale says, "Soo, the doctor getting killed at lake Silenco is a fixed point in time. Hence reality goes Bonkers when River refuses to kill him."
[spoilers]|02:19 Tale asks, "But, using the fake doctor. That basically means he fooled "the universe itself" into thinking it was him?"
[spoilers]|02:20 Jon says, "'fixed point in time' means whatever the writer needs it to mean for the plot to work"
[spoilers]|02:20 Jon says, "unfortunately"
[spoilers]|02:21 Jon says, "my guess: River's entire existence depends upon her being sent to prison for killing the Doctor. If she doesn't do that, her timeline goes wonky, which means the Doctor's goes wonky, which means Earth's goes wonky."
[spoilers]|02:21 boucher says, "Well, consider that an event is only as significant as its consequences."
[spoilers]|02:21 boucher says, "Indeed, an event is the sum of its consequences."
[spoilers]|02:22 boucher says, "I suppose everyone mistook what the universe actually recorded.  Most people thought it was the consequences of the Doctor himself dying.  But perhaps it was the consequences of everyone *thinking* it was The Doctor dying."
[spoilers]|02:22 boucher says, "If the footprint of his continued existence were small enough, they'd be almost indistinguishable."
[spoilers]|02:22 Tale asks, "Yeah, but how would that make the universe go wonky?"
[spoilers]|02:23 Jon asks, "same reason Rose saving her dad's life did?"
[greece]|02:23 olethros says, "yow"
[spoilers]|02:24 boucher says, "Well, there we lack any precedent, and not even any real-life physics to explain matters, so we have to wholly defer to Doctor Who"
[greece]|02:24 olethros says, "ex minister is estimated to have taken around $2 bil in bribes, kickbacks and embezzlement"
[greece]|02:25 olethros says, "of these, 81mil was for some russian missiles"
[lounge]|02:25 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[greece]|02:25 olethros says, "the kickback rate appears to have been 10%"
[spoilers]|02:25 boucher says, "There's no real-life version of a 'fixed event', nor is there much explanation in Doctor Who of the consequences, other than...yeah, Father's Day, and this."
[lounge]|02:25 nothings arrives unclothed and innocent, perfect in the still morning light.
[web-toons]|02:25 nothings says, " http://chainsawsuit.com/2012/06/29/the-day-after-tomorrow/ "
[greece]|02:25 olethros says, "ach, ministry of defense. Such a demanding post."
[spoilers]|02:26 boucher says, "So...either monsters come try to eat your wedding party or Churchill becomes Caesar of Britain, or something else bad."
[spoilers]|02:26 Tale asks, "Soo, basically ... timey-wimey?"
[drwho]|02:26 borowski says, "I don't see any reason why different incarnations couldn't have different feelings about sex/relationships."
[spoilers]|02:26 boucher says, "So far, yeah."
[drwho]|02:26 Tale says, "They did"
[drwho]|02:26 Tale says, "1 had a family!"
[spoilers]|02:26 boucher says, "Maybe some grand unifying theory of why 'bad things happen when you screw with time' will occur, but not yet."
[greece]|02:26 olethros says, "it's hard to investigate most of this stuff, though, because it involves offshore companies in the cayman islands etc"
[drwho]|02:27 borowski says, "Oh right, I meant to ask about that: in The Aztecs, Susan calls him grandfather"
[drwho]|02:27 borowski says, "I wasn't sure if that was just a nickname."
[drwho]|02:27 Tale hands borowski a can of worms.
[spoilers]|02:27 boucher says, "The other major thing, which fortunately has actually been fairly consistent, is that the 'time differential' when two people from different timestreams make contact, releases a large amount of energy."
[drwho]|02:27 borowski says, "heh"
[drwho]|02:28 olethros says, "fishing!"
[drwho]|02:28 borowski says, "Also, the Doctor has a finance in that one, though sort of by accident."
[spoilers]|02:28 boucher says, "When the two Brigadiers touched, it knocked them both unconscious and left the younger one suffering from a post-traumatic syndrome."
[drwho]|02:28 olethros asks, "a finance?"
[drwho]|02:28 olethros asks, "TARDIS financing?"
[spoilers]|02:28 boucher says, "When The Doctor and River touched, it knocked loose the halt in time they were stuck in."
[spoilers]|02:29 boucher says, "And there was at least one or two other instances in which a mild time differential was depicted as akin to a static shock."
[drwho]|02:29 Jon says, "typo for fiancee, surely."
[drwho]|02:29 borowski says, "yeah"
[spoilers]|02:30 Jon says, "and when Rose touched baby Rose, it summoned a monster"
[lounge]|02:30 nothings goes home.
[drwho]|02:30 olethros says, "yeah, ok, I was just running with it"
[drwho]|02:31 boucher says, "There is a book, which the new series has almost completely decanonized, but was originally intended to be a Seventh Doctor episode, Lungbarrow"
[drwho]|02:31 olethros says, "more stumbling over a lava pit with it actually"
[drwho]|02:31 Tale says, "I wonder if this is recognized in incarnations slashfic"
[drwho]|02:32 boucher says, "In it, it proposes a number of pretty heavy additions to Doctor Who lore.  Amongst them that Time Lords are sterile as a result of an ancient conflict and thus preserve and diversify themselves through genetic recombinators called looms."
[drwho]|02:32 boucher says, "The Doctor was supposedly once one of three powerful pre-Timelords.  Rassilon was one, Omega was another, and the other was only known as The Other."
[drwho]|02:33 boucher says, "The Doctor was the result of The Other having thrown himself into the loom"
[drwho]|02:33 boucher says, "He later rediscovered The Other's granddaughter, and somehow they recognized each other, and so she clung to him"
[spoilers]|02:34 boucher says, "Well, it broke time fractionally more than it already was, weakening the walls of the church, or something"
[greece]|02:37 boucher asks, "10%?  Isn't that well below the standard Greek bribery rate?"
[greece]|02:37 boucher asks, "So is the scandal that he accepted bribes or that he was so cheap?"
[drwho]|02:40 olethros says, "ha ha"
[greece]|02:40 olethros says, "ha ha"
[greece]|02:40 olethros says, "well, he had to be competitive"
[greece]|02:40 olethros says, "10% of 2 billion is a lot of money"
[drwho]|02:42 olethros asks, "ok that's interesting. When was that written?"
[tale]|02:43 Tale says, "grmblrmb"
[tale]|02:43 Tale says, "I have this idea for a game that should be CYOA"
[tale]|02:43 Tale says, "And wanted to enter it into IF Comp, which might be tricky. At the same time, the inkle guys announce their own competition."
[drwho]|02:43 borowski says, "According to the Dr. Who wikia, Susan is a Time Lord, but that's based on books."
[lounge]|02:45 * ghira has disconnected.
[lounge]|02:45 * ghira has connected.
[lounge]|02:45 ghira says, "meep"
[tale]|02:45 Tale says, "Susan is the only hint we ever had of any previous family for the Doctor."
[tale]|02:45 Tale says, "lac"
[drwho]|02:45 Tale says, "Susan is the only hint we ever had of any previous family for the Doctor."
[drwho]|02:45 boucher says, "I think at least the draft for a script was written sometime in the late 80's...as I said, it was part of the Cartmel Masterplan, the editor at the time's plan to add mystery and new interest to Doctor Who, but the book appears to have been released in 1997"
[drwho]|02:47 boucher says, "You can see hints of his direction in the final season..."
[drwho]|02:47 boucher says, "There were attempts to recast The Doctor as a manipulator and as a man with more secrets to keep"
[drwho]|02:47 boucher says, "And then the decision came down that it was over, and all this buildup to tell more was lost."
[greece]|02:49 ghira recaps. 2 _billion_?
[lounge]|02:49 Oren nikhnas l'atraklin.
[lounge]|02:49 Oren says, "good morning"
[lounge]|02:50 Ellison says, "hey ghira. morning, Oren."
[lounge]|02:52 ghira says, "hellison, horen"
[tale]|02:53 Tale says (to ghira), "So, anyway, the treasure turned out to be chocolate money, which nearly had me fall off the couch laughing"
[tale]|02:53 ghira says, "awww"
[tale]|02:53 ghira asks, "how far into this are you now? S2?"
[tale]|02:54 Tale says, "End of S1. One ep or so to go."
[tale]|02:54 ghira says, "I think it's aged unusually well"
[tale]|02:56 Tale says, "Jota asked yesterday if it's actually enjoyable. And it somehow is."
[tale]|02:57 ghira says, "bagpuss is much harder to watch as an adult"
[tale]|02:57 Tale asks, "LoM had another show yesterday, Cambwick Green?"
[tale]|02:57 ghira says, "ah, yes. camberwick green"
[tale]|02:58 ghira says, "that and bagpuss are the sorts of things where you might need to know what they are so you can spot references to them, but that's about it"
[tale]|03:01 Tale says, "Only 2 eps to go in LoM, then I can finally read all the spoilers. Or maybe watch the finale of Ashes to Ashes."
[web-toons]|03:06 olethros says, "dr-mcninja's plan: FLAWLESS"
[web-toons]|03:08 olethros asks, "wasn't there a strip where DrMcNinja and this guy fought it out? or appeared to?"
[tale]|03:08 ghira says, "honestly I wouldn't bother with finale of ashes to ashes"
[tale]|03:08 ghira says, "if you want to watch any at all watch ep 1 maybe"
[tale]|03:09 ghira says, "S1, as with life of mars, has some sort of a resolution so you could watch that if you wanted to"
[web-toons]|03:11 olethros says, "yeah, hm http://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/23p39/ "
[jendoodle]|03:15 jenrexrode says, "sheesh, I had to look in that same drawer 3 times to find that credit card."
[lounge]|03:22 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|03:22 * Tale has disconnected.
[lounge]|03:22 marc says, "morning"
[lounge]|03:24 ghira says, "marc"
[IntroComp]|03:24 DavidW says, "oh, interesting. Speculative Fiction. from IntroComp 2011, has been completed."
[lounge]|03:25 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|03:25 marc says, "ghen"
[IntroComp]|03:28 McMartin says, "holy cow, finished and *in time*"
[IntroComp]|03:28 McMartin says, "Is that a first? I forget if Child's Play hit the deadline"
[IntroComp]|03:30 DavidW says, "It may be the first to hit the deadline, yeah."
[IntroComp]|03:31 DavidW says, "Unless you count Adam Thornton's game from way back."
[IntroComp]|03:31 Ellison says, "I think Cryptozookeeper was the first to finish in time to collect prize money, but there were some before that finished in time but didn't win a prize"
[IntroComp]|03:33 DavidW says, "hm. http://ifwiki.org/index.php/IntroComp only lists the games that were completed, but not if they won prize money."
[UK]|03:38 ghira says, "belated meteorological"
[lounge]|03:40 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[kitties]|03:41 ghira says (to jen), "very belatedly yeah the Mi permits grooming on her terms"
[Hugo]|03:42 marc says (to ellison), "ooh, new post"
[Hugo]|03:42 Ellison says, "yup, wanted to write something anyway, but got the motivation from a comment by Recchi on an earlier post"
[Hugo]|03:44 marc says, "cool -- looks like you're enjoying blogging"
[jendoodle]|03:44 jenrexrode asks, "so she doesn;t go around with seeds in her fur for too long?"
[Hugo]|03:44 marc says, "[filter the above comments through a 'still waking up' lens if i'm making no sense"
[jendoodle]|03:45 ghira says, "no"
[jendoodle]|03:45 ghira says, "actually she grooms herself a lot so would mostly deal with them herself"
[jendoodle]|03:45 ghira says, "most of the photos I've put on the web are of her before we'd ever used combs or brushes on her"
[Hugo]|03:46 Ellison says, "I used to enjoy doing livejournal a lot but I got sick of talking about myself, so yeah, it's nice to have something else to blather about"
[Hugo]|03:47 marc says, "good stuff"
[Hugo]|03:48 marc asks, "did you announc the blog on intfiction?"
[Hugo]|03:48 marc says, "+e"
[Hugo]|03:48 Ellison says, "I appreciate the feedback, but it is a surprise that it is of interest to anyone who isn't a Hugo user, since I talk about things particular to Hugo's screen model or library routines and such"
[Hugo]|03:49 Ellison says, "nah, I announced it on joltcountry.com, but I wanted to avoid things that'd lead to it being on Planet IF and such."
[Hugo]|03:49 marc asks, "why avoid being in the feed?"
[Hugo]|03:50 Ellison says, "well, partly since I'm not sure if the things I muse about are even relevant to other Hugo users and figure it is very much less so to the average IF enthusiast"
[finance]|03:51 olethros says, "what is this libor thing"
[Hugo]|03:51 marc says, "hmm, perhaps"
[Hugo]|03:51 marc says, "i don't write hugo but find the posts interesting though"
[finance]|03:51 Fang says, "london interbank offer rate"
[Hugo]|03:51 marc says, "then again, i guess i have an interest in hugo from the interpreter perspective etc."
[finance]|03:52 olethros says, "oh"
[Hugo]|03:52 marc exclaims, "anyway, i'm enjoying your posts so keep it up!"
[finance]|03:52 olethros says, "sounds an awful lot like the energy price manipulation in the internal energy market in california"
[finance]|03:52 Fang says, "this is really weird, but I'm not up on the details"
[finance]|03:52 Fang says, "I wouldn't have thought a single bank, or heck a few traders in a single bank can make a difference to it"
[Hugo]|03:53 Ellison says, "well, it is also true that certain types of enthusiasm can be infectious or entertaining. maybe it is something I will share down the line."
[Hugo]|03:53 Ellison says, "anyhow, thanks!"
[finance]|03:53 Fang says, "libor manipulation is a huge thing, I'm not sure if the various politicians grasp how big a deal this is"
[finance]|03:54 Fang says, "Libor is, I think, far more important than some little thing like the bank of england base rate"
[finance]|03:55 olethros says, "I think these guys were effectively doing bets on the Libor, and then changing it accordingly"
[finance]|03:55 Fang says, "right, and that's pretty crazy"
[finance]|03:58 Fang says, "If Barclays was doing it, then I'd bet someone else was doing it too"
[finance]|03:58 Fang says, "*is* doing it, even"
[finance]|03:58 olethros says, "concerted effort, sure"
[finance]|03:59 Fang says, "there's gonna be a lot of documents going to the shredders over the next few days"
[finance]|03:59 olethros says, "now I am trusting hat4uk much more"
[finance]|03:59 olethros says, "oh, hm"
[finance]|04:00 olethros says, " http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/ has a nice summary"
[finance]|04:01 olethros says, "that is quite enlightening"
[kitties]|04:03 jenrexrode says, "yes, Dexter was laying on the natural gas bill"
[lounge]|04:06 Hjalfi is used to charge the ionized magnetic-bottle reaction chamber while confectionile material is injected to the bottle within a flouride suspension.
[finance]|04:13 ghira says (to fang), "well RBS claims it sacked some people months ago for doing this"
[finance]|04:13 Fang says, "sacked? These people should be jailed"
[finance]|04:13 Fang says, "double-plus jailed"
[lounge]|04:17 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|04:17 * Ellison has disconnected.
[lounge]|04:20 jenrexrode wanders off.
[lounge]|04:21 Tale displays his humanitarian side by placing a suppressor on his pistol when shooting in front of a Hospital Quiet Zone.
[lounge]|04:22 Tale says, "re"
[tale]|04:23 Tale says, "Why not watch the finale? I thought it explained it all"
[tale]|04:25 ghira says, "of ashes to ashes? well the whole of S3 seemed pretty odd and ok there is an explanation at the end but I wish they hadn't bothered"
[tale]|04:25 ghira says, "stopping at the end of LoM makes as much sense as anything"
[tale]|04:27 Tale says, "ok"
[tale]|04:27 Tale says, "Guess I'll just read the spoilers and wait foer my head to explore"
[tale]|04:28 Tale says, "Dammit, is my typing worse than usual today or what"
[whiz-games]|04:32 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]|04:32 Whizzard says, "heyo"
[whiz-games]|04:32 Whizzard says, "Finished painting an ecuyer, and made progress on my sky fortress."
[whiz-games]|04:33 olethros says, "an ecuyer sounds like something you ought to eat, not paint"
[travel]|04:34 olethros says, "I guess it is time to start getting out of here"
[travel]|04:35 ghira asks, "aberdeen today?"
[whiz-games]|04:35 Whizzard says, "It's an anti-aircraft support cruiser."
[travel]|04:37 Hjalfi says, "Huh. I've just come *back* from Scotland..."
[TV]|04:40 Hjalfi exclaims, "In other news, my _Sam and Max: Freelance Police_ DVD has arrived. Yay!"
[travel]|04:51 olethros says, "yeah"
[travel]|04:51 olethros says, "we must take turns watching it"
[lounge]|05:00 olethros says, "bye"
[lounge]|05:00 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[tale]|05:08 vaporware says, "I liked all of Ashes to Ashes."
[lounge]|05:15 vaporware vows never to return again, as he leads a rumba line out of the lounge after setting the place on fire.
[lounge]|05:23 Whizzard enters through the trapdoor. It slams shut. Now, shhh, everyone act like a grue.
[lounge]|05:23 Whizzard says, "heyo"
[lounge]|05:28 Tale says, "hey whizzard"
[lounge]|05:31 Whizzard asks, "lo tale. How goes it?"
[lounge]|05:36 Tale asks, "It goes well enough. Yourself?"
[books]|05:51 Tale says, "I wonder if I should do a stack-like rule for buying books"
[books]|05:52 Tale says, "Only buy a new one if I've finished an old one"
[lounge]|05:54 Storme enters.
[lounge]|05:54 Storme says, "hi all"
[lounge]|05:54 Tale says, "hey Storme"
[lounge]|05:54 Tale asks (of strome), "Are you married yet?"
[lounge]|05:54 Storme says, "not until October!"
[lounge]|05:55 Storme says, "thankfully, since I need time to save up more cash before the actual day"
[lounge]|05:55 Tale says, "heh"
[frowned-elitism]|05:56 Storme says, "on the plus side, we get a free cruise about a fortnight after the wedding"
[lounge]|05:57 Rob comes right on in.
[frowned-elitism]|05:58 Tale says, "Awesome"
[lounge]|05:58 Tale says, "Robster"
[lounge]|05:58 Rob says, "gblumpfh"
[frowned-elitism]|05:58 Storme says, "yeah; Pez's family are funding this on the basis that for once the whole family are on the same continent"
[movie]|05:59 Rob says, "just watched Hangover 2"
[frowned-elitism]|05:59 Storme says, "(well, whole immediate family. we're not inviting the 400 or so aunts/uncles/cousins/etc to the wedding)"
[movie]|05:59 Rob says, "the last gag of the movie is to show still photos of what happened when they were blacked out, as in the first movie"
[movie]|06:00 Rob says, "the second to last photo in the montage made me laugh out of sheer shock at how bold a visual gag it was"
[movie]|06:01 Rob says, "it was a mocking recreation of the famous vietnam photo of the soldier shooting a guy in the head, and in the picture you can see the bullet"
[movie]|06:01 Rob says, "they talk about it being 'too soon' for jokes about things that are a little too real, and I guess it took 44 years for this one"
[movie]|06:02 Rob says, "although, now that I'm thinking about it, a cartoonist I used to know did a gag panel based on it back in 1994"
[movie]|06:10 Fang says, "it seems odd to play the 'too soon' card on that"
[movie]|06:15 Fang says, "cartoons about, for example, Abu Ghraib came out maybe months after we first saw the photos"
[lounge]|06:16 Iain hasn't been here since April, I'm starting to get worried.
[movie]|06:16 Fang asks, "so, like, who is 'too soon' protecting?"
[lounge]|06:16 Iain says, "Morning all."
[lounge]|06:16 Fang says, "Hi Iain"
[movie]|06:16 Lionheart says (to Fang), "ISTR Colbert making a "too soon?" remark after a joke about Archduke Ferdinand or something similarly decades out of date didn't get a big laught."
[movie]|06:17 Lionheart says, "Which, of course, was the real punchline."
[frowned-elitism]|06:24 Storme says, "good grief, cruise ships are strange"
[sf]|06:24 Fang says, "so, I'm thinking of a FTL system..."
[sf]|06:25 Fang says, "my idea is this: suppose that people actually don't really know how FTL works. Rather, there are existing AncientMysteriousRace ships that ply certain routes according to a fixed schedule"
[frowned-elitism]|06:26 Storme says, "reading a review of this ship and I can see why people don't bother getting off the boat for the whole cruise"
[sf]|06:26 Fang says, "and so, humans can just latch on to these ships, and go to their destination"
[sf]|06:26 Iain says, "Sounds like Gateway so far."
[lounge]|06:27 Rob moseys right on out.
[frowned-elitism]|06:27 Storme says, "not least because there are cocktail bars and puppet shows and pools with movie screens"
[frowned-elitism]|06:27 maga says, "yeah, a lot of people don't even bother looking out of the window"
[sf]|06:27 Iain says, "In that, you fiddle with the controls of the Heechee ship, and it takes you to some random destination (and sometimes doesn't return)."
[sf]|06:27 Fang says, "in some locations, there's a Ship every day, so it's okay, apart from the queues. But in other systems there's only a ship every year or so, so those places are much more isolated"
[sf]|06:27 Hjalfi says, "Not having to explain things by making them an Ancient Mystery is a standard and time-honoured SF copout clause."
[sf]|06:28 Fang says, "and of course, some times ships break down, sometimes terrorists blow them up, and a system can get permanently isolated forever"
[sf]|06:28 Fang says, "which is why everyone agrees not to fire on them, and everyone establishes garrison forces to defend the Ships, etc"
[sf]|06:28 Hjalfi says, "If you make the ancient ships blowuppable, then they're also dismantlable, so people *will* be pulling them apart to try and figure out how they work."
[frowned-elitism]|06:29 Storme says, "I basically feel like this is not how I would choose to holiday"
[frowned-elitism]|06:29 Storme says, "but hey, since I'm not paying, I am totally willing to give it a go"
[sf]|06:29 Iain says, "I think it'd be reasonable to say that dismantling the ships doesn't help you to understand them."
[sf]|06:29 Fang says, "sure, but it'd be like cave men trying to work out how laptops work"
[sf]|06:29 Hjalfi says, "You may be able to work with this by instead of having the threat being standard terrorists, have the garrisons protect the ships from rogue scientists."
[sf]|06:30 Iain says, "I read a fun article that surveyed various scientists about what would happen if you gave a modern laptop to 19th century scientists."
[sf]|06:30 Hjalfi says, "c.f. Iain Banks _Against a Dark Background_: the Lazy Guns."
[sf]|06:30 Fang says (to Hjalfi), "well, the obvious disruption to this scenario is that eventually, *someone* manages to discover how the Ships work, or at least how to reset their routes"
[sf]|06:30 Iain says, "There was an amusing observation that they'd probably end up making very pure blocks of silicon, sticking wires into it, and expecting it to compute."
[sf]|06:30 Fang says, "and then there's massive race to monopolise such technology"
[sf]|06:31 Iain says, "Which would be useless *then*, but the ability to manufacture near-pure silicon would come in very handy later on."
[sf]|06:31 Hjalfi says (to Fang), "Actually, what you've got here is quite similar to the setting in Ken Macleod's _Engines of Light_."
[sf]|06:31 Fang asks, "oh?"
[sf]|06:31 Hjalfi says, "He has humans tagging along on giant squid powered NAFAL starships (yes, really). Eventually the humans figure out how to build their own, and Political Stuff Happens."
[sf]|06:32 Hjalfi says, "Good books (if you like politics)."
[frowned-elitism]|06:32 Storme says, "also I think I may expect to put on about four stones in weight over a week"
[merited-inflows]|06:32 Storme says, "UAT starts this week"
[merited-inflows]|06:33 Storme says, "I expect fire, violence, tears, anguish"
[frowned-elitism]|06:33 maga says, "yeah, they are basically designed for sitting about eating and drinking all day, occasionally being entertained in some fashion"
[tangent]|06:34 Iain says, "#sf This reminds me of one of my favourite little SF moments."
[frowned-elitism]|06:34 maga says, "if you could have people thrown to the lions it would be a pretty good despot simulator"
[sf]|06:34 Fang says, "interesting. I can't finding a synopsis"
[sf]|06:34 Fang says, "*find"
[frowned-elitism]|06:34 Storme says, "ooo"
[sf]|06:34 Hjalfi says, "I suspect he has a different spin on it: the squid ships are deliberately set up by superhuman entities to keep the humans busy, and therefore under control."
[tangent]|06:35 Iain says, "In The Mote in God's Eye, they find a space probe built by aliens, and somebody points out that it isn't a modular design, it's holistic -- every single bit of it interacts deeply with some other bit."
[tangent]|06:35 Iain says, "Which is a clever way to show how aliens could be smarter than we are."
[frowned-elitism]|06:35 Storme says, "you can have them thrown to the surfing simulator"
[sf]|06:36 Fang says, "NAFAL doesn't really work for what I have in mind"
[sf]|06:36 Fang says, "I'm trying to think of a setting where interstellar war is possible"
[sf]|06:36 Fang says, "well, war in a human-sensible timeframe"
[tangent]|06:37 Hjalfi says, "One of the few bits which redeems Brin's _Heaven's Reach_ is when one of the characters points out that galactic civilisation has been using computers for so long that they use numerical models for *everything*... and regard algebra and equation solving as superstition."
[lounge]|06:37 Grocible goes home.
[lounge]|06:37 * Grocible has disconnected.
[sf]|06:37 Hjalfi asks, "Hm. In that model, you have planetside forces hitching lifts on the ships, and the garrisons protecting the ships staying neutral?"
[frowned-elitism]|06:37 Storme says, "also inevitably we are now pondering which cosplays we could take with us"
[frowned-elitism]|06:38 Storme asks, "would it be very wrong to take Monkey Island cosplays on a cruise ship?"
[tangent]|06:38 Iain says, "Heh."
[sf]|06:39 Fang says, "well, the garrisons, as I see it, would become eventually co-opted into invasion fleets"
[sf]|06:40 Hjalfi says, "The Spacing Guild in the Dune books is the sole provider of interstellar travel. They have huge political leverage by conveying rival fleets to battlefields."
[sf]|06:40 Fang says, "there would probably be an Understanding that the first side to start shooting at the Ships themselves (as opposed to only firing once the passengers leave a certain safe exclusion zone around the Ships) would open up a huge can of worms"
[frowned-elitism]|06:41 Storme asks, "also ohgod formal evenings?"
[sf]|06:41 Hjalfi says, "The question here is: is interstellar travel worth more to a given planet than fighting a war will cost? If not, the obvious solution to being invaded is to destroy the Ship leading to your planet and become isolated."
[frowned-elitism]|06:42 Storme says, "guess I'll be wearing suits and fabulous hats then"
[sf]|06:42 Fang says, "well, certainly some planets will choose that"
[sf]|06:43 Fang says, "the key principles in an interstellar war would probably see that as intolerable, though, since they'd have some ambition to rule an interstellar empire"
[lounge]|06:43 Lionheart makes no law abridging the freedom of s***ch, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to ***emble, and to pe***ion the government for a redress of grievances.
[sf]|06:44 Hjalfi says, "You may want to enforce some kind of penalty for destroying a Ship: STL robotic planetbusters, for example."
[lounge]|06:45 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|06:45 * Tale has disconnected.
[sf]|06:46 Fang says, "sort of the plan is to combine a near-future tech level, with interstellar colonies"
[sf]|06:47 Hjalfi says, "If you can get up to a Ship, then you need decent conventional spaceflight. Which means vacuum industries, asteroid mining, etc."
[sf]|06:47 Fang says, "I guess the systems on the Ship network would all, or mostly conveniently habitable"
[sf]|06:48 Hjalfi says, "If you have the Ships *land*, then you don't need any of that stuff, which means you have much simpler tech extrapolation problems."
[sf]|06:49 Fang exclaims (at Hjalfi), "but then there's no need for spaceships!"
[sf]|06:49 Hjalfi asks, "Do you want spaceships? I mean, conventional ones?"
[sf]|06:49 Fang says, "well, intrasystem ones, sure"
[sf]|06:51 Hjalfi says, "In which case you *are* going to have conventional space development. In fact, given how hard it is to get stuff on and off a planet, I suspect you may have a disconnect between the people who live in space (and use interstellar trade) and the people who live on planets (and probably *won't*)."
[sf]|06:51 Hjalfi says, "...unless you introduce magic spaceflight technology like reactionless thrusters or antigravity."
[sf]|06:52 Fang says, "there's a few key things I want to avoid"
[sf]|06:52 Fang says, "I want to avoid the 'why can't you toss an asteroid at a planet at .95 c and win every war instantly?'"
[sf]|06:53 Hjalfi says, "Well, for certain specialised values of 'win', but yeah."
[sf]|06:54 Fang says, "maybe for conservation of detail, the Ships can provide energy as well"
[sf]|06:55 Fang says, "you could have power generators running off the wakes they generate when they jump in"
[sf]|06:56 Hjalfi says, "Mmm... that could work; an isolated world would lose access to that as well, which would be highly undesireable."
[sf]|07:02 Fang asks, "anyway, sound interesting?"
[sf]|07:04 Fang says, "we neatly avoid the paradox producing aspects of FTL, by simply stating that the routes where this is relevant *do not exist*"
[sf]|07:06 Hjalfi says, "I'm sure some inconvenient physicist will come up with a way of turning it into time travel anyway."
[sf]|07:12 Hjalfi says, "Tell you what, if you can use the jump wakes to power *near-space spaceship drives*, that not only means that all those embarrassing problems about lifting mass off a planet go away, but it means that if a Ship stops jumping into a system, all the off-world colonies and industry become isolated too."
[sf]|07:14 Fang says, "yeah, so destroying a ship basically means going back to the 21st century"
[sf]|07:14 Hjalfi says, "Yup."
[sf]|07:18 Fang says, "looking at http://www.theculture.org/rich/sharpblue/archives/000089.html "
[sf]|07:19 Fang asks, "I wonder, can you avoid this sort of casuality violation, by saying that the red, superluminal transmission lines are *always horizontal*?"
[sf]|07:20 Hjalfi asks, "Won't the lines always be differently slanted to different observers?"
[lounge]|07:22 Storme was a still life lived on mobile phones.
[lounge]|07:22 * Storme has disconnected.
[sf]|07:22 Fang asks, "what do you mean?"
[sf]|07:23 Fang says, "wait hmm"
[sf]|07:25 Fang asks, "what if the systems the Ships go to are always stationary relative to each other?"
[sf]|07:26 Hjalfi says, "I don't pretend to understand relativity..."
[lounge]|07:26 olethros is an act of war against the conniving silence and generalised imprisonment produced by the modern world.
[lounge]|07:26 olethros says, "hello."
[travel]|07:27 olethros asks, "why is everything always late?"
[lounge]|07:27 ghira asks (of olethros), "are you in aberdeen?"
[lounge]|07:27 olethros says, "no, Geneva airport"
[lounge]|07:27 olethros says, "I will have to change at heathrow"
[lounge]|07:27 olethros says, "I wonder if it'd have been better to have gone through Edingborough instead"
[lounge]|07:28 olethros says, "edinburgh, dammmmmit"
[lounge]|07:31 Tale displays his humanitarian side by placing a suppressor on his pistol when shooting in front of a Hospital Quiet Zone.
[lounge]|07:31 Tale says, "re"
[lounge]|07:37 olethros says, "oh, udate"
[lounge]|07:37 olethros says, "K got a professor job in geneva"
[lounge]|07:38 olethros says, "so, I guess I can up the ante at aberdeen a little bit and should try and find a job in der schweiz"
[house-of-cards]|07:38 Tale says, "Neat"
[house-of-cards]|07:38 Tale says, ""Er"
[lounge]|07:39 Tale says, "Neat"
[lounge]|07:39 olethros says, "so finally she can quit her shitty job"
[lounge]|07:42 olethros says, "though I am sometimes wondering to what extent it is her that the root cause of all this workplace trouble"
[lounge]|07:43 Tale asks, "What do you mean?"
[lounge]|07:44 olethros says, "she rarely got on well with orkers in previous labs"
[lounge]|07:44 olethros says, "anyway, I have the feeling that the guys at aberdeen will also offer me a post"
[lounge]|07:44 olethros says, "so it may well be a 'working but separated' vs 'one unemployed' choice"
[lounge]|07:48 Tale says, "you could take care of the kids"
[lounge]|07:49 olethros says, "!"
[lounge]|07:49 olethros says, "bo-ring"
[lounge]|07:50 olethros says, "working parents seem to be happiest when alternating caretaking duties"
[lounge]|07:53 olethros says, "boarding!"
[lounge]|07:53 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[lounge]|08:00 Matthew says, "Hi all."
[lounge]|08:00 ghira says, "m"
[lounge]|08:12 Tale says, "Hey Mattthew"
[lounge]/08:33 * Tale has disconnected.
[lounge]|08:33 * Tale has connected.
[videogames]|08:39 Fang | RPS: If people were tanks and tanks were people, do you think that the people (formerly tanks) would ride us around (that?s the tanks, formerly people) and make us shoot each other and hold big shows about us and generally make us do all the dirty war things they wanted to do?
[videogames]|08:40 Fang | RPS: Sadly, tanks are still perceived as a luxury item. But do you foresee a day in which all families own a tank?
[videogames]|08:40 Fang | VK: I?m sorry, I don?t understand?
[videogames]|08:40 K-Y says, "wtf"
[videogames]|08:41 Fang says, "RPS interview with world of tanks dev takes a derail into the surreal http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/07/02/there-were-tanks-at-tankfest-a-report "
[lounge]|08:41 DavidW goes home.
[lounge]|08:41 * DavidW has disconnected.
[videogames]|08:42 K-Y says, "that did not make any more sense after reading all the context"
[WWIII]/09:05 Fang says, " http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/tel-aviv-hospital-bars-african-migrants-from-visiting-patients-citing-health-concerns-1.448292 "
[google]|09:05 Hjalfi exclaims, "So apparently Google sneakily released a tablet while I was away on holiday. Darn you, Google!"
[google]|09:05 Hjalfi says, "...and a ball."
[WWIII]|09:06 Fang | Children of migrants hospitalized in Dana Children's Hospital in the Ichilov Medical Center Tel Aviv will also be separated from Israeli children in a special ward, according to the instructions. The new guidelines state that the hospital will assess the situation and ?take extra steps in order to minimize the health risks to our patients and staff."
[lounge]|09:07 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 2472 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Monday,  2 Jul 2012, 09:07:43 AM EDT
Rob says, "bjunf"
Tale says, "Robinator"
Oren holekh ha'bayta.
Oren has disconnected.
No quotations available.
Iain says, "Rob"
Rob says, "yorf"
Quote added to boucher's quotebook.
Rob says, "I was just totaling up hours worked on a project to write out an invoice"
Rob says, "and I was just going by datestamps on the files I worked on"
Rob says, "and when I multiplied and divided and got totals, the common denominator was sixths of a dollar"
Rob says, "but it ended up totaling to 448 hours and 12/6ths minutes, or $450.00 exactly"
Rob says, "er, 448 dollars, not 448 hours"
Rob says, "believe the earlier explanation, not those units"
Rob says, "anyway, 9 hours exactly from adding up all those file save times"
Rob says, "which is weird to me"
Rob says, "there was one outlier that I noticed on a final glance-through that would have thrown everything off and made me have to divide by 7 and end up with a bizarre total, so I had to choose to exclude it"
Rob says, "good thing I'm an artist not a scientist"
[obama-rox] Allen | According to ongoing discussions with Obama aides and associates, if the president wins a second term, he plans to tackle another American war that has so far been successful only in perpetuating more misery: the four decades of The Drug War.
[blokes] Ryan asks, "I haven't shaved since Thursday and I have my usual patchy scruff going on. Do I dry-shave in the work bathroom, or leave it and make people wonder if I'm unwell?"
[blokes] Rob says, "dry-shaving not especially recommended"
[blokes] Rob says, "your perception of how you will be perceived might be distorted"
[obama-rox] Ryan says, "Angling for the stoner vote is rarely a solid plan."
[obama-rox] Rob says, "not something you can really do in a first term"
[blokes] Ryan says, "I dunno, when my dad fails to shave for a few days he usually gets questions about his health, and he and I share the same facial-hair patterns."
[obama-rox] Rob says, "the public opinion is tipping for a more progressive attitude under the law"
[politics] Allen | Obama's Weakening Grip On Young Voters Could Cost Him The Election
[politics] Allen says, "but he hasn't dropped a baby yet!"
[blokes] Rob says, "well, you could shape the edges a little"
[politics] Rob says, "what weakening grip"
[blokes] Tale says, "You'll get that gruffy look girls who dig bad guys dig"
[politics] Rob asks, "is there a comparable scooping up of young voters by Romney?"
[blokes] Rob says, "tell everyone it's grow a beard month"
[blokes] Ryan says, "Beaduly!"
[blokes] Ryan says, "Uh, Bearduly!"
[obama-rox] Rob says, "plus, the drug war disproportionately harms minority populations, so there's a lot of"
[spam] vimes says, "ah, cold-call recruiter emails"
[blokes] Rob says, "here we go beardly-loo, here we go beard-uly"
[spam] vimes | I stumbled across your profile and thought I would reach out. Bloomberg has a Sr. RoR development position in New York City or Washington DC and I thought your background and skillset would make a terrific fit.  Exceptional compensation $140k+, 10% - 20% annual performance bonus, relocation package, and superb benefits.   Let me know if you're interested in this full-time on-site employment opportunity.  Look forward to your response.
[spam] Rob says, "I'll get right on that"
[spam] vimes says, "i'm tempted to reply: "$140k? so, an entry-level salary?""
[spam] Rob says, "I was trying to read it as being genuinely ersatz spam offer"
[spam] Rob asks, "are you interviewing while you're up in seattle?"
[spam] vimes says, "ha ha"
[spam] vimes says, "not for a senior RoR dev position in NYC or DC, no"
[spam] vimes says, "tempting as the offer might be"
[spam] vimes says, "but yes, i'm interviewing with valve today"
[spam] Rob says, "oo"
[spam] Rob says, "good luck"
[spam] vimes says, "starting three hours from now"
[spam] Rob says, "you can tell them you have a $140k offer on hold"
[spam] vimes says, "ha ha"
Rob says, "ok crashola"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.