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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
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Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
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Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this."
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Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday Bishop!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, jpt, Jon, GDorn, Ryan, Allen, baf, Dave, annabianca, Psmith, lpsmith, Jacqueline, zaphod, Marktwo, vimes, maga, Jearl, small, marc, Bishop, BrenBarn, Grocible, Doug, ghira, boucher, Hugo, DorianX, two-star, K-Y, Lionheart, vaporware, McMartin
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
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Recapping 1000 of 5018 lines from recent channels:
[food]/17:07 vimes says, "ha ha"
[food]|17:07 genericgeekgirl says, "They'd boxed everything up for us, and at one point, I asked him to carry the bag while walking through a park, and he immediately took the box out and threw it away."
[food]|17:07 maga says, "hmm, I wonder how much of this is to do with the hominids-as-carrion-eaters thing"
[food]|17:07 Gunther says, "I only had boiled sea urchin"
[cabal]|17:07 Hugo says, "But along that line, from what little I do know about the internet, one big tripping point with "IF" is: all the damned words."
[cabal]|17:07 Emily says, "but it helps to have some clear notion of who your audience is and what they currently like already and how you should price a thing to entice them to try a related object; and Dave has always veered around egregiously about what he's making, for whom, and how to get them to know about it"
[amazon]|17:07 Dave says (to inky), "me neither"
[cabal]|17:08 Emily says, "well, sure"
[amazon]|17:08 Dave says, "I have no marketing data on price points for IF...no one does...Amazon has price points for a _category_ that is meaningless to IF"
[cabal]|17:08 Emily says, "the parser is a problem, for one, even if you're pitching to readers"
[cabal]|17:08 Hugo says, "He has, I think, imagined some audience that doesn't in any way exist."
[cabal]|17:08 Hugo says, "Imagined to the point of concreteness."
[cabal]|17:08 Emily says, "and for another, if you are pitching to readers, you still want it to look pretty"
[google]|17:08 Allen | Google Creates 'Computer Brain'--and It Immediately Starts Watching Cat Videos on YouTube
[amazon]|17:08 Dave says, "they don't really know where to price IF either...they don't care...they're just tossing it into a convenient place"
[amazon]|17:08 inky says, "well, Emily's suggestion about looking at what Choice Of and so on charge is the closest you get to market research and a reasonable price"
[tangent]|17:09 genericgeekgirl says, "I can't think of natto without thinking of this bizarre bdsm scene I'd read about once involving natto, raw fish and a looping tape with "It's a Small World" in one ear and "Tomorrow" in the other."
[google]|17:09 Allen | 'We never told it during the training, `This is a cat,'' said Dr. Dean. 'It basically invented the concept of a cat.'
[google]|17:09 inky says, "sounds right so far"
[google]|17:09 inky says, "next up, it invents chocolate pudding and tax refunds"
[cabal]|17:09 Hugo says, "When everything on an iPad is swipeable, no one is going to want to push your little keys."
[food]|17:09 olethros says, "I like tyrolean grey cheese and it does not stick that much"
[amazon]|17:10 Ellison says (to Dave), "considering casual amazon shoppers aren't going to pay extra to check out a game type they are unfamiliar with, it comes across like, initially, you just want to stick it to IF enthusiasts."
[cabal]|17:10 Hugo says, "Touch.  Tap.  Whatever."
[cabal]|17:10 Emily says, "mmhm"
[amazon]|17:10 Dave says, "no, that's not true...again, the Choice of games were priced for them...there was no marketing done"
[google]|17:10 inky says, "(ok, rice pudding and income tax; close enough)"
[food]|17:10 olethros says, "*stink"
[food]|17:10 genericgeekgirl says, "Also, Amdi says "I know how I'm shipping raw flesh now.""
[amazon]|17:10 Dave says, "I doubt they had any choice (ironically) in their pricing either"
[food]|17:10 genericgeekgirl says, "Erm, s/raw/rotting/"
[food]|17:10 olethros says, "it's somehow similar to the frankfurt cheese"
[food]|17:11 olethros says, "what's once raw, soon will rotting be"
[food]|17:11 inky says, "I'm shipping raw flesh/Spock, same as always"
[UK]|17:11 olethros asks, "Jersey: independent?"
[climate]|17:11 Allen | Warming Oceans Will Follow Laws of Physics
[cabal]|17:11 Jota says (to Hugo), "I don't think he thinks the audience already exists. I think he thinks that he can somehow *make* people who aren't interested decide that they want it. And that keeping the price high will somehow make uninterested people decide 'wait, this is expensive? then it must be good, so I had better start liking it!'"
[climate]|17:11 inky says, "except in north carolina, where they will follow the laws of the state and like it"
[climate]|17:12 Ellison says, "heh"
[climate]|17:12 olethros says, "hee hee"
[cabal]|17:12 Emily says, "vs. making it cheap enough for lots of people to try, developing a genre and market, and then later adding more expensive premium line"
[cabal]|17:13 Emily says, "which is how I would approach this, if I thought the premium line was even necessary"
[cabal]|17:13 inky says, "in the $20 version, you can have Bella end up with Jacob"
[cabal]|17:15 Emily says, "snrk"
[cabal]|17:19 Jearl asks, "how much to have her end up with Alice?"
[Europe]|17:20 Allen says, "huh, list of 89 countries ranked in terms of government openness"
[Europe]|17:20 Allen says, "three bottom countries on list: lichtenstein, greece, austria"
[rpg]|17:20 inky | And if it does matter for some reason - maybe time goes by, and he's making a living chopping down trees, assessing the quality of timber, competing against other lumberjacks, eating lots of pancakes, developing a combat bonus against animated trees, whatever - then invent a skill and call it "profession - lumberjack" or something.
[Europe]|17:20 Allen says, "serbia, india, slovenia at the top"
[rpg]|17:21 inky says, "I don't have a feeling for how I expect most of those to fall"
[rpg]|17:21 inky says, "er"
[Europe]|17:21 inky says, "I don't have a feeling for how I expect most of those to fall"
[rpg]|17:21 Jota says (to inky), "Right after someone says 'Timber!', usually."
[Europe]|17:21 Allen says, "I was surprised to see austria at the bottom"
[rpg]|17:21 maga says, "skill Hanging, specialisation Around In Bars"
[Europe]|17:21 Allen says, "the report is about Canada: As the 30th anniversary of the federal Access to Information Act approaches, Canada finds itself tied for 51st in the world on a list of freedom-of-information rankings, languishing behind Angola, Colombia and Niger."
[rpg]|17:22 inky says (to Jota), "hee hee"
[lounge]|17:24 Yuri goes home.
[cabal]|17:24 lpsmith says, "The presence of a premium line of most things makes the regularly-priced things sell more."
[lounge]|17:25 Gunther says, "I spy with my little eye something beginning with CSB"
[lounge]|17:25 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[cabal]|17:25 lpsmith says, "(especially if there is also an el-cheapo version)"
[cabal]|17:25 Emily says, "sure"
[cabal]|17:25 lpsmith says, "If Dave really wants to sell IF for $10, he should also have a $20 version."
[cabal]|17:26 Emily says, "heh"
[lounge]|17:26 Gunther's voice is husky, like dark melted chocolate fudge caramel... or something.
[cabal]|17:28 Jota says, "Cheap version: no vowels. Regular version: all the letters. Premium version: punctuation, too."
[videogames]|17:30 Gunther says, "ha ha the mcpixel level editor scripting language"
[videogames]|17:30 Gunther says, "the script must end with "thanks""
[videogames]|17:32 Gunther says, "and from the 'legal shit' (sic):"
[videogames]|17:32 Gunther | I can also change your name and level title, but only if it's offensive. I will substitute anything offensive with 'pony' (e.g. motherponyer). You like that idea.
[videogames]|17:33 vimes says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|17:33 inky says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|17:33 vimes says, "legal pony"
[lounge]|17:33 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|17:33 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|17:34 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|17:34 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|17:34 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|17:34 * Marktwo has connected.
[videogames]|17:34 Jota says, "Then, everyone misspelled turns into a pony, beacuse they are offensive to the sensibilities of all speakers of proper English."
[lounge]|17:35 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[videogames]|17:37 jayellem asks, "Aw. Who doesn't want a pony?"
[videogames]|17:38 Jota says, "Uh. I don't actually want a pony."
[videogames]|17:38 Fang says, "but think of the glue1"
[videogames]|17:38 Jota exclaims, "Think of the shoes!"
[videogames]|17:39 vimes says, "think of the children!"
[videogames]|17:39 Jota says, "Sorry, I can't rhyme that."
[videogames]|17:40 inky says, "think of the, uh, bullpen"
[videogames]|17:40 baf says, "OK, now I'm imagining what MLP:FIM must have been like before it had this transformation put on it. Those are some really foul-mouthed little ponies."
[videogames]|17:41 inky says, "ha ha"
[webtv]|17:41 DorianX says, "The plot thickens. Spoony just announced that he's been diagnosed with biplar 2"
[webtv]|17:41 DorianX says, "bipolar"
[videogames]|17:41 inky says, "well, in the original they were hookers"
[videogames]|17:41 Fang says, "they were hung like horses"
[webtv]|17:41 inky says, "that isn't surprising"
[webtv]|17:42 Gunther says, "who could possibly have guessed"
[webtv]|17:42 Jota asks, "What's the '2'?"
[videogames]|17:42 jayellem asks, "How do you hang a horse?"
[videogames]|17:43 Fang says, "using hookers"
[videogames]|17:43 jayellem says, "Seems a rather messy means of executing the beasts."
[webtv]|17:43 inky says, "the sequel, it's not as good"
[webtv]|17:43 inky says, "I'll have my rant up shortly"
[videogames]|17:43 Jota says (to jayellem), "Not execution. Just storage."
[webtv]|17:43 Gunther says (to Jota), "The Quickening"
[videogames]|17:43 Jota says, "You just need a good, sturdy wire hanger and plenty of closet space."
[lounge]|17:44 Grocible says, "evening"
[lounge]|17:44 inky says, "howdy"
[videogames]|17:44 jayellem says, "Cool. A horse wardrobe. A horse for every day of the week."
[lounge]|17:46 jayellem says, "Hi there"
[lounge]|17:50 Jota asks (of jayellem), "I assume many have asked this already, but: what happened to kay?"
[lounge]|17:50 jayellem asks (of Jota), "Didn't he retire?"
[lounge]|17:51 inky says, "then he came back, then he went back in time"
[lounge]|17:51 inky says, "it's the old old story"
[lounge]|17:51 (From maga) jay says, "eff that guy"
[lounge]|17:51 Jota takes notes.
[lounge]|17:52 jayellem says, "In reality, however, 'K' just isn't one of my initials"
[apropos-of-nothing]|17:53 Jota asks, "If you copy your text into an array of characters, and it uses the full 8 bits for some of them, does that mean your data is high-strung?"
[lounge]|17:55 Jota says, "It's a shame your middle name wasn't 'Karl'."
[lounge]|17:55 Jota says, "Then you could just call yourself noel."
[lounge]|17:56 jayellem says, "Hah. Nice."
[lounge]|17:56 inky says, "'Noam' is also a viable name"
[apropos-of-nothing]|17:57 Gunther says, "all I know is I don't like the looks of them hi-falutin' utf-8 boys"
[apropos-of-nothing]|17:58 baf says, "I know. That snowman looked at me funny."
[lounge]|17:58 jayellem says, "I've always liked the name Rameses Niblick the Third, Kerplunk Kerplunk, Whoops, Where's my Thrubble"
[lounge]|17:58 inky says, "catchy, but I can't figure out what letters it's missing"
[tangent]|17:58 Gunther says, "I just realized I have no idea what UTF means"
[tangent]|17:59 inky says, "hmm, the u must be unicode"
[tangent]|17:59 inky asks, "translation format?"
[tangent]|17:59 Gunther asks, "task force?"
[tangent]|17:59 vimes says, "unbelievably tedious fuckery"
[tangent]|17:59 Gunther says, "UCS Transformation Format"
[tangent]|17:59 Gunther says, "thanksssssssssssss"
[tangent]|17:59 inky says, "where UCS itself stands for something? that's deep, man"
[tangent]|17:59 Gunther says, "when I see an acronym within an acronym I know it's something annoying"
[tangent]|17:59 Gunther says, "Universal Character Set"
[tangent]|17:59 inky says, "and the UCS is of course defined by an ISO"
[tangent]|18:00 Gunther says, "it's like VHDL"
[tangent]|18:00 Gunther says, "which is VHSIC hardware description language"
[webtv]|18:00 DorianX says, "IIRC"
[tangent]|18:00 inky says, "weak"
[tangent]|18:00 Allen says, "huh, I always thought the U was for unix"
[tangent]|18:00 Gunther says, "which is very-high-speed integrated circuits"
[tangent]|18:00 Allen says, "I wonder where I got that iudea"
[webtv]|18:00 DorianX says, "Bipolar 2 is hypomania + full blown depression"
[tangent]|18:00 vimes asks, "which in turn is VHDL Half-Specified Interface Code?"
[tangent]|18:00 Allen asks, "did UTF-16 come out of Bell labs?"
[tangent]|18:00 baf says, "Universal Character Set"
[webtv]|18:00 DorianX says, "Bipolar 1 is full blown mania + depression"
[webtv]|18:01 DorianX says, "It is possible I have these backwards"
[tangent]|18:01 Jota says, "I now see why Gunther hates GNU."
[webtv]|18:01 Gunther says, "It seems like I missed quite the breakdown and bridgeburning after I unfollowed him"
[webtv]|18:01 inky says, "oh yeah, I forgot there was probably a real answer to the question"
[webtv]|18:01 Gunther says, "ha ha"
[webtv]|18:02 Gunther | Bipolar II disorder is a bipolar spectrum disorder characterized by at least one hypomanic episode and at least one major depressive episode
[tangent]|18:02 Allen says, "ah, Ken Thompson was involved in the specification for UTF-8"
[tangent]|18:02 Allen says, "that must be why I thought that"
[webtv]|18:02 DorianX says, "Yeah."
[webtv]|18:02 Gunther | Hypomania (literally, "below mania") is a mood state characterized by persistent and pervasive elevated (euphoric) or irritable mood, as well as thoughts and behaviors that are consistent with such a mood state. Many people also experience signature hypersexuality.
[webtv]|18:02 Gunther says, "awww yeah"
[webtv]|18:02 DorianX says, "If you have a full blown manic episode you have biplar 1"
[webtv]|18:02 DorianX says, "even if you also have major depression"
[webtv]|18:02 Gunther says, "oh wait, *signature* hypersexuality"
[webtv]|18:02 Gunther says, "I don't want frottage with cheques"
[webtv]|18:03 DorianX says, "but in general Bipolar 1 is mania+depression, Bipolar 2 is depression+mania"
[webtv]|18:03 inky says, "this page says the distinction is about hypomania vs mania"
[webtv]|18:03 inky says, "where hypomania is behavior that is weird for you but not necessarily weird for normal people, and mania is behavior that is weird for any normal person"
[WIP]|18:04 maga says, "okay! I have an itemised to-do list for getting this sucker to beta"
[WIP]|18:04 Ellison says, "right on"
[webtv]|18:04 Gunther says, "well, 'persistent euphoria/irritability' is probably not normal"
[WIP]|18:04 vimes says, "step 1: get this sucker to beta"
[WIP]|18:04 vimes says, "step 2: celebratory drinking"
[tangent]|18:04 (from inky) Allen says "That must also be why I thought the F stood for Facial hair"
[WIP]|18:04 maga says, "step 3: ..."
[WIP]|18:05 vimes says, "step 3 is always profit, you fool!"
[WIP]|18:05 maga says, "not in IF, dude"
[webtv]|18:05 inky says, "right, but when you're euphoric in your hypomaniac state, you're not more euphoric than a normal person might be"
[WIP]|18:05 vimes says, "step 3 is always AMUSE, you fool!"
[webtv]|18:05 inky says, "since there are super-chirpy bouncy people out there who are "normal""
[WIP]|18:05 maga says, "it looks a bit larger than I'd hoped, and will probably grow a little as I go, but it's still nice to have things nailed down in this much detail"
[webtv]|18:06 Gunther says, "I would contest that they are ;)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:06 Allen | http://thegeekzodiac.com/comics/2012-02-09-GZfull.jpg
[webtv]|18:06 inky says, "whereas this page says if you're, like, chirpy at a funeral, that is outside the bounds of normal behavior"
[webtv]|18:06 inky says, "also if you start having delusions/hallucinations"
[webtv]|18:06 Gunther asks, "what if you hallucinate a funeral you are chirpy at?"
[webtv]|18:06 Gunther says, "TO THE DSM, BATMAN"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:07 inky says, "hmm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:07 inky says, "I realize this is a stupid thing to say, but I always thought the chinese zodiac seemed much less realistic than the western zodiac"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:07 maga says, "then of course there is the geek pantheon, which is just Athene over and over again"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:07 inky says, "like, everyone born in the same *year* acts the same? wouldn't that be pretty obvious"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:07 inky says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:07 Fang says (to inky), "haha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:07 Fang says (to inky), "welll"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 Gunther says (to inky), "I hear that a lot but it's all people who are envious they're not dragons"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 inky says (to maga), "YM "Summer Glau""
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 Fang asks, "maybe it makes more sense than the 12 month offset?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 maga says (to inky), "she can be played by Summer Glau"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 inky says, "sold"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 Gunther says, "also I would like to point out Ophiuchus"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 Fang says, "I mean, the year everyone was involved in WWII"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 Fang says, "for example"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 Jota says (to inky), "I dunno, in some ways, the year thing could be thought to make more sense."
[lounge]|18:08 jayellem says, "Time for sleep, I think. Goodnight, all"
[lounge]|18:08 jayellem goes home.
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 Gunther says (to Jota), "[weasel words]"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 Jota says (to inky), "Because everyone born in the same year grew up in the same environment with the same influences."
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 Fang says, "right"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:08 baf says, "Behavior varying by year makes more sense to me than behavior varying by month. Take it out further, to the decade level, and it starts sounding like common sense rather than superstition."
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:09 inky says (to Fang,Jota), "yeah, ok, that is true"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:09 inky says (to baf), "heh, point"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:09 Gunther asks (of Jota), "*all over the world* though?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:09 Gunther says, "also given china's regime of the last 50 years, all the signs would have had to have been identical"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:09 maga says, "I suppose in pre-agrarian societies the time of year you were born might have a pretty big influence on pre-natal nourishment"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:10 Jota says (to Gunther), "Yes, it makes marginally less nonsense for your birthyear to affect your personality all around the world than for your birth month to affect your personality all around the world."
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:10 Fang says, "#pedant Gunther, it's pretty incorrect to consider the chinese regime to have been unchanged in 50 years"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:10 inky says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:10 Jota says (to Gunther), "IMO."
[cabal]|18:10 Grocible asks, "I missed another Dave fantasy?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:10 Gunther says (to Jota), "fair enough"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:10 inky says, "people born in the year of the dragon are four inches taller and 20% less likely to have rickets"
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:10 Gunther says (to Fang), "also fair enough"
[cabal]|18:10 Jota says, "Yep. You can recap #amazon if you want to re-live the glory."
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:11 Gunther says, "in china, everyone wanted to know our signs. I came prepared, of course."
[footnotes]|18:11 Fang says, "notionally, it's called the same thing, and the government likes to pretend, but the people in power today are literally the same people they were trying to mass murder 30 years ago"
[videogames]|18:11 Gunther says, " http://www.giantbomb.com/news/you-should-read-this-rant-by-a-tekken-producer/4240/ "
[cabal]|18:11 Grocible says, "he's like the Terminator"
[cabal]|18:12 Grocible says, "he JUST WON'T STOP!"
[cabal]|18:12 Grocible says, "until YOU ARE DEAD!"
[footnotes]|18:12 inky says, "hmm, I don't think I really realized that"
[lounge]|18:12 DorianX slouches off, muttering, "Why did we decide to travel to a planet called 'Pandora' in a ship called 'Titanic' launched from a base called 'Icarus' to find a resource called 'Lucifer'? Why must we tempt fate?"
[lounge]|18:13 DorianX enters, asking, "Did someone order A LARGE HAM?"
[footnotes]|18:13 Gunther says, "I more meant the censorious overburdening government's influence on the general population"
[cabal]|18:14 Grocible asks, "he wants to flog CYO games on Kindles or something?"
[cabal]|18:15 inky says, "IF games, but yeah"
[videogames]|18:15 Gunther asks, "also, what's the deal with the new ME3 ending? has the shitvomiting begun?"
[cabal]|18:16 Grocible says, "we all have our dreams"
[videogames]|18:16 inky says, "oh yeah, good question"
[videogames]|18:17 Gunther says, "looking on SA now, reaction seems positive"
[videogames]|18:17 Gunther says, "time to go to #spoilers I think"
[videogames]|18:18 Ellison says, "the whole 'players are entitled' argument is annoying just because it detracts from the point that ME3's ending sucks"
[myth]|18:18 Jota says, "I wonder what fraction of major mythological figures ultimately had happy endings versus unhappy endings."
[myth]|18:18 Jota says, "(Ignoring the ones with no explicit ending.)"
[myth]|18:18 Gunther says, "norse gods: all dead"
[myth]|18:18 Fang says, "hmm"
[myth]|18:19 Gunther says, "greek&roman: no ending"
[myth]|18:19 Fang says (to Gunther), "all but two"
[myth]|18:19 Gunther says, "germanic: also all dead"
[myth]|18:19 vimes says, "how many major mythological figures had happy endings at all? i can't think of any off the top"
[myth]|18:19 Gunther says (to Fang), "Lif and Lifthrasir aren't gods"
[myth]|18:19 Fang says, "oh, right"
[videogames]|18:19 Ellison says, "I've mentioned this on here before, but my brother tells me that some ME3 call the last creature you fight in the game a hero who dies trying to save people from that awful ending"
[videogames]|18:19 Ellison says, "some ME3 players"
[myth]|18:19 Jota asks (of vimes), "Didn't a bunch of Greeks wind up in Elysium?"
[videogames]|18:19 Fang says, "yeah, dumb shit like that"
[videogames]|18:20 Gunther says (to Ellison), "you know, after the unbelievable deluge of shitposting about D3, I'm willing to go on record saying that yes, the players ARE all whiny, entitled shitfucks"
[myth]|18:20 Jota says, "(Admittedly, I can't think of any off the top of my head.)"
[myth]|18:20 Fang asks, "what do we consider happy endings here?"
[myth]|18:20 vimes asks, "hm, i think only boring mortals go to elysium, don't they?"
[myth]|18:20 Fang asks, "I mean, Odysseus: happy ending?"
[videogames]|18:20 Gunther says, "no matter whether or not the ending sucks"
[videogames]|18:21 inky says, "it looks like they expanded the three endings and added one new one where you tell people to screw off"
[myth]|18:21 vimes says, "at least that's sort of what i recall"
[videogames]|18:21 Gunther says (to inky), "see #spoilers for what happens in #4"
[videogames]|18:21 Fang says, "they basically added character epilogues, I think"
[myth]|18:21 Jota asks (of Fang), "Was returning home after the war Odysseus' last story?"
[myth]|18:21 inky asks, "if you die heroically in battle, is that a happy ending or an unhappy one?"
[myth]|18:21 Fang says, "yes"
[myth]|18:21 Fang asks, "I think?"
[myth]|18:21 Gunther says, "oh, figures, not just gods"
[myth]|18:21 Gunther says, "my favorite greek figure had a happy ending"
[myth]|18:21 Fang says, "unless he's in Argonauts"
[videogames]|18:21 Ellison says, "well, yeah, I hate players, too. I'm just saying, a bad story is a bad story."
[myth]|18:22 Gunther says, "Diomedes"
[myth]|18:22 maga says (to Fang), "there are also versions where he never fits in at home, and goes off to wander the world and eventually dies far from home"
[videogames]|18:22 Fang says, "Mass Effect 3 is not a bad story"
[myth]|18:22 Gunther | He lived a long life but there is no clear record as to how he died. Some claims that he was buried or mysteriously disappeared on one of the islands in the Adriatic called after him (Diomedeae). Others say that he did not have to face a mortal death.
[videogames]|18:22 Fang says, "it's a bad lack-of-a-final-cutscene."
[myth]|18:22 maga says, "although these are of rather later origin; I don't remember if they're even Greek"
[videogames]|18:22 Ellison says, "plus, ME3 is an odd scenario since only a couple of the game writers got to handle the ending and they shut everybody else out."
[videogames]|18:22 inky says (to Ellison), "oh, hunh"
[myth]|18:22 Jota says, "I guess myths are pretty vague on the whole concept of endings."
[myth]|18:23 Gunther | He lived a long life but there is no clear record as to how he died. Some claims that he was buried or mysteriously disappeared on one of the islands in the Adriatic called after him (Diomedeae). Others say that he did not have to face a mortal death.
[myth]|18:23 Fang says, "anyways, that seems pretty happy"
[videogames]|18:23 Ellison says, "at least one of the shut-out writers has spoken up about this, I believe"
[myth]|18:23 baf says, "As has been pointed out before: All lives end in death, so if you want a happy ending, you have to stop telling the story before it gets that far."
[myth]|18:23 Gunther asks, "also would you consider Arthur's end a happy ending?"
[myth]|18:23 Fang says, "no"
[myth]|18:23 Gunther says (to baf), "OR DO THEY see above"
[videogames]|18:23 inky asks, "hercules eventually gets poisoned and dies in pain and then is taken up to be a constellation, right?"
[myth]|18:23 Fang says, "Arthur is at best neutral"
[videogames]|18:23 inky says, "er"
[myth]|18:23 inky asks, "hercules eventually gets poisoned and dies in pain and then is taken up to be a constellation, right?"
[myth]|18:23 maga says (to Gunther), "it becomes happy when he rises from his tomb and kicks Cameron's arse into the sea"
[myth]|18:23 Fang says, "yes"
[myth]|18:23 Gunther says, "even Hercules was removed and turned into a constellation"
[lounge]|18:24 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:24 * boucher has connected.
[myth]|18:24 inky asks, "so is that happy or not?"
[myth]|18:24 Gunther says (to inky), "he burns himself to death because he gets tricked into wearing a nettle shirt"
[myth]|18:24 Fang says, "I guess bittersweet"
[myth]|18:24 Gunther says, "this makes him the biggest pussy ever"
[myth]|18:24 Fang says, "haha"
[myth]|18:24 Fang asks, "what about prometheus?"
[myth]|18:24 Gunther says, "and simultaneously the most hardcore"
[myth]|18:24 Fang says, "NOT THE FILM."
[myth]|18:25 vimes says, "ha ha ha"
[myth]|18:25 maga says, "it's set up that way so that he's never defeated in battle, right"
[myth]|18:25 Gunther says, ""ow it stings *SET FIRE*""
[myth]|18:25 vimes says, "the film almost had a happy ending but then that one chick survived"
[myth]|18:25 Fang says, "I mean, we forget that the prometheus story we know is only part I"
[lounge]|18:25 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:25 * Marktwo has connected.
[myth]|18:25 Fang says, "of three"
[myth]|18:25 Gunther asks, "isn't Prometheus eventually released?"
[myth]|18:25 Gunther asks, "and starts a liverloaf business?"
[myth]|18:25 vimes says, "part one: STEALING FIRE"
[myth]|18:25 Fang says, "right, eventually Prometheus is released and forgiven"
[myth]|18:25 vimes says, "part two: STEALING BRATWURST"
[myth]|18:25 vimes says, "part three: FANTASTIC COOKOUT"
[myth]|18:25 Gunther says (to vimes), "oh god ayn rand flashbacks"
[myth]|18:26 Fang says, "because he saves Zeus or something"
[myth]|18:26 Gunther says, "part 2.5 BEEFSWELLING"
[myth]|18:26 vimes says, "prom "humpey sausag" etheus"
[myth]|18:26 Gunther says, "it is little known Prometheus' first name was John"
[myth]|18:27 Gunther says, "it's little known that most of the greek heroes with only one name were actually named John, in fact"
[myth]|18:27 Gunther says, "this is why they were referred to by last name"
[myth]|18:27 maga says (to Gunther), "this explains why Atlanta was so butch"
[myth]|18:27 Gunther says, "the big exception is Achilles, whose first name was Hilda"
[myth]|18:29 Fang says, "I think 'bob' would be funnier"
[myth]|18:29 Gunther says, "that's the trojans"
[myth]|18:29 Gunther says, "Minus Paris, whose first name was Pussy"
[myth]|18:30 Fang says, "anyway, going back to the point"
[myth]|18:30 Fang says, "maybe sad stories are just more memorable"
[myth]|18:30 Gunther says, "many final endings are not pertinent and never mentioned"
[myth]|18:30 Fang says, "clearly someone needs to do an experiment"
[myth]|18:30 Fang says, "tell two stories"
[myth]|18:31 Gunther says, "hell, some of them are fanfic"
[myth]|18:31 Fang says, "at the end of one, THEY ALL DIED"
[videogames]|18:31 Gunther says, "and it begins. http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/06/26/mass-effect-3s-extended-cut-too-little-far-too-late/ "
[myth]|18:31 vimes says, "at the end of the other one, nobody knows, because we've forgotten the story"
[videogames]|18:31 Gunther says, "note that this isn't forbes so much as some shitty bloggers"
[myth]|18:31 Fang says, "heh"
[myth]|18:31 Fang says, "yes"
[myth]|18:31 Gunther says, "wait, hang on"
[myth]|18:32 Gunther says, "every SINGLE fairy tale ends with everyone living happily ever after."
[myth]|18:32 maga asks (of Gunther), "have you *read* Grimm?"
[myth]|18:32 Gunther says, "yes, yes, not the stepmothers"
[videogames]|18:32 baf says, "Too much too early, say I! I'd been looking forward to experiencing this infamous ending and now it sounds like I'll never get the chance."
[myth]|18:32 maga says, "a lot of them end with 'then the devil appeared and took his soul off to hell'"
[myth]|18:32 vimes says, "or "and then they ate him", i seem to recall"
[videogames]|18:33 Gunther says, "if only there were a tube for you to watch them at"
[videogames]|18:33 Fang says (to baf), "you can just not download the DLC"
[myth]|18:33 maga says, "although I suppose a lot of that is just 'wickedness punished' without an actual hero to benefit thereby"
[myth]|18:33 vimes says, "and the boring people go to elysium and everyone else suffers for eternity"
[videogames]|18:33 Gunther says, "also LOL this idiot thought Bioware would make that retarded indoctrination theory the real thing"
[myth]|18:34 Fang asks, "did that Pineapple story end happily?"
[myth]|18:34 Fang says, "I mean, the animals' hunger was sated"
[videogames]|18:34 Gunther |  Each new cutscene is about five minutes long, though four minutes of them are the same across all three, other than the voiceover. The major function of the new endings is seemingly to fill in a few plotholes [...]
[myth]|18:34 Gunther says, "ha ha h"
[myth]|18:35 Gunther says (to Fang), "well, we learned earlier today what 'big pineapple' really means"
[myth]|18:35 Fang says, "a more exotic version of New York>"
[myth]|18:36 Gunther says, "D3"
[myth]|18:36 Fang says, "oh"
[myth]|18:36 Gunther says, "so basically the animals are battle.net shitposters"
[videogames]|18:37 Gunther says (to Fang), "you're gonna love these new endings."
[videogames]|18:38 Fang asks, "does it involve a developer sitting down and saving fuck you for 45 minutes?"
[videogames]|18:38 Fang says, "saying"
[videogames]|18:38 Gunther says, "the new ending does"
[videogames]|18:39 Gunther says, "the others, well, remember when you pondered what the destruction of the relays meant for the galaxy? this is now answered"
[videogames]|18:40 Fang says, "you might want to say that on #spoilers"
[videogames]|18:40 inky says, "hmm"
[videogames]|18:40 Gunther says, "I'll tell you there if you want to know"
[videogames]|18:40 inky asks, "are there any commercial games out there where the end of the game twist is that the previous third of the game was all a dream?"
[videogames]|18:41 Fang says, "hmm"
[videogames]|18:41 Fang says, "well"
[videogames]|18:41 Fang says, "what's its name"
[videogames]|18:41 Gunther says, "there are some where *all* the game was a dream"
[videogames]|18:41 Fang says, "Second Sight"
[videogames]|18:41 Fang says, "or something"
[videogames]|18:42 Fang says, "entire game was premonition"
[videogames]|18:42 Gunther says, "anyway, here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYYYmzr7_A "
[videogames]|18:42 inky says, "oh, cunning"
[videogames]|18:42 Gunther says, "it in turn links to the rest of the endings"
[videogames]|18:43 Fang says, "the final cutscene was the player character deciding to go back through, but this time making the critical change that allows an unavoidable apparent disaster not happy"
[videogames]|18:43 Fang says, "happen"
[lounge]|18:45 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[workplace]|18:51 Allen says, "ha, our annoying wilton guy may have just involuntarily self-destructed"
[workplace]|18:51 Allen says, "he tried to escalate the issue to higher ups in the company"
[workplace]|18:51 Allen says, "who did NOT care for his disrespectful tone"
[WIP]|18:55 maga strikes off a bullet-point.
[WIP]|18:55 maga says, "Well, *that* was unexpectedly easy."
[WIP]|18:57 vimes says, "now to the celebratory drinking!"
[WIP]|18:57 maga says, "maybe once I've done some actual writing"
[webgames]|18:58 maga says, "man, what is it about shitty hard rock that makes it so appealing to flash game designers"
[wtf]|18:59 DavidW says, "#onion http://menomoneefalls.patch.com/articles/woman-attacks-husband-for-having-the-shepherd-express-the-onion-in-his-car "
[wtf]|19:02 lpsmith says, "That URL is much better than the article."
[wtf]|19:02 lpsmith says, "'I can't *believe* you had the shephered express the onion again!  And in our car, no less!'"
[wtf]|19:05 inky says, "ha ha"
[wtf]|19:05 inky says, "yeah, that's totally how I read it"
[wtf]|19:06 maga says, "Shepherd Expresses The Onion, position 746, the Book of Unknowable Pleasures"
[videogames]|19:07 DorianX says, "Hm. Deadly Premonition kinda fell apart at the end."
[wtf]|19:08 Lionheart says, "Well, speaking of WTFs, PSA fail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g032MPrSjFA "
[videogames]|19:09 baf says, "OK. One thing I want to know about the ME3 ending:"
[videogames]|19:09 baf asks, "Does Shepard express the onion?"
[videogames]|19:09 Lionheart snrks.
[videogames]|19:10 Jon says, "hm, that's out now"
[videogames]|19:10 Jon says, "I guess I'll have to watch the video versions."
[videogames]|19:10 Jon says, "I can't be arsed to replay through the final assault four or five times."
[TMI]|19:11 inky says, "my main association with 'express' used as this kind of verb is apparently for some kind of dogs you have to express their anal glands once in a while to prevent them from getting infected or something"
[TMI]|19:11 inky says, "which is enough to make me never want to become a vet"
[TMI]|19:11 Jon | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/10/22
[jobs]|19:12 Dave says, "I am at 1871. My official new office for Textfyre."
[wtf]|19:12 maga says, "possible science careers include sexy scientist, sexy mortician, sexy forensic pathologist, sexy mad scientist, shampootologist, and calceotrician"
[jobs]|19:12 Dave says, "pretty strange."
[jobs]|19:13 Dave says, "It's like a library/bar/warehouse."
[TMI]|19:13 inky says, "ha ha, exactly"
[jobs]|19:13 inky says, "sold"
[jobs]|19:14 Dave says, "I have a meeting with an MBA graduate tonight."
[wtf]|19:14 DavidW says (to Lionheart), "yikes"
[jobs]|19:14 Dave says, "I've been looking for a business partner that can handle business/sales/marketing and help me do planning."
[telltalegames]|19:15 Jon says, "hm, some telltale adventures on gog.com"
[jobs]|19:15 Dave says, "and I found an MBA graduate who's interested and doesn't care about money"
[telltalegames]|19:15 Jon says, "I wonder if they're truly DRM-free; in the past, the games have required logging in with a telltale account, iirc."
[telltalegames]|19:16 Jon says, "(and I consider that a form of DRM, since the games presumably won't work if the telltale server goes down)"
[lounge]|19:16 Matthew goes home.
[telltalegames]|19:16 baf says, "I assume they are. We're certainly capable of doing DRM-free builds."
[cabal]|19:17 Emily says, ""MBA graduate who doesn't care about money""
[jobs]|19:17 inky says, "remember, an MBA graduate who doesn't care about money is just a BA"
[jobs]|19:18 inky says, "(I am not sure what this means)"
[cabal]|19:18 Emily says, "thank you!"
[wtf]|19:18 DavidW says, "Thinking of what 'Science: It's a Boy Thing' might be like reminded me of http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/120625.html "
[jobs]|19:18 Dave says, "heh"
[telltalegames]|19:18 inky asks, "GOG has stripped DRM from other games in the past, hasn't it?"
[cabal]|19:18 Emily says, "I needed there to be a joke there but I wasn't sure what the punchline was"
[cabal]|19:18 Emily says, "I feel better now"
[jobs]|19:18 Dave says, "I meant...he has a savings he's living off of and wants to join a start-up"
[cabal]|19:19 inky says, "hooray"
[wtf]|19:19 Lionheart chuckles.
[wtf]|19:19 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|19:19 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[telltalegames]|19:19 Jon asks (of inky), "define 'stripped'? I don't think they make unofficial patches; it's more like getting a non-DRMed build from the dev, right?"
[lounge]|19:19 Olly says, "Hello, MUDniks."
[lounge]|19:20 maga says, "olly"
[telltalegames]|19:21 inky says, "hmm, I have no real idea"
[lounge]|19:21 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[telltalegames]|19:21 inky says, "for the really old games I would think the devs would no longer be in a position to make a DRM-free build"
[lounge]|19:21 Olly says, "Hello, two-star."
[lounge]|19:21 two-star says, "Hi."
[telltalegames]|19:21 inky says, "so I think I assumed they took some public patch and applied it to the executable and the original rights older blessed it"
[cabal]|19:22 Grocible says, "heh"
[telltalegames]|19:22 inky says, "er, rights holder"
[telltalegames]|19:23 Jon says, "fair enough"
[minicomp]|19:24 maga says, "whee, slew of spam on cover stories images"
[minicomp]|19:24 maga says, "I wonder which of these auto-generated countries would be the worst for local online dating"
[minicomp]|19:25 maga says, "so far I'm guessing Iraq"
[minicomp]|19:27 maga says, "okay, Afghanistan trumps that"
[beer]|19:27 Allen says, "picked up an Elderberry beer"
[beer]|19:27 Allen says, "I bet it's gonna suck"
[beer]|19:28 maga asks, "how light is it?"
[beer]|19:28 Allen says, "5.5%"
[beer]|19:29 Allen says, "'elderberry weiss'"
[google]|19:29 inky says, "I'm trying to view a google docs page and it keeps bouncing me to google drive's home"
[google]|19:29 inky asks, "I don't have to sign up for google drive to view google docs now, do I?"
[google]|19:29 lpsmith says, "It's telling you to drive home, it's late, inky."
[google]|19:29 inky says, "hee hee"
[beer]|19:31 maga says, "and I'm guessing that an online dating service in Syria may not be the best idea just at the moment"
[beer]|19:31 maga says, "ilac"
[minicomp]|19:31 maga says, "and I'm guessing that an online dating service in Syria may not be the best idea just at the moment""
[google]|19:35 Jon says (to inky), "docs was renamed to drive, on the grounds that this would confuse nobody ever and also help adoption of drive."
[minicomp]|19:36 maga says, "also, they distinguish island nations at the scale of the Isle of Man, Monserrat and so on"
[minicomp]|19:36 maga says, "but have clearly deleted all the 50-odd African nations from their list and just put in 'African'"
[minicomp]|19:37 lpsmith says, "all dating africans are jet-setters maga"
[minicomp]|19:38 maga says, "let's just remove that guest comment option, shall we"
[google]|19:43 inky says, "hee hee"
[google]|19:43 inky says, "yeah I'm fine with that, but going to a docs.google.com/foo/bar/id=whatever url is redirecting me to the drive home page, which doesn't seem right, and changing the docs. to drive. does the same"
[lounge]|19:50 Ellison says, "later"
[lounge]|19:50 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|19:50 * Ellison has disconnected.
[lounge]|19:54 inky says, "ok zip"
[lounge]|19:54 inky got credit for creating Common and the concept of money, for generating lots of art and literature, and for being the very best at killing his enemies.
[history]|19:54 DorianX says, "I was thinking today"
[history]|19:55 DorianX says, "My parents are only a couple of years apart in age, but they could possibly be considered different generations"
[history]|19:57 DorianX says, "Now, Leah and I are even closer in age, but were both between cohorts"
[lounge]|19:58 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|19:58 K-Y says, "re"
[history]|19:59 DorianX says, "Hm. My dad's mother might be a different generation from my other grandparents"
[history]|20:00 DorianX says, "my dad's siblings are firmly greatest generation and silent generation"
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:01 Jota says, "Huh, there is a computer-related observation out there known as 'Mooers' Law'."
[history]|20:02 DorianX says, "they are apparently calling Dylan'd generation the "Always-On Generation""
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:02 Jota says, "And it predates Moore's Law by six years."
[history]|20:02 Jota says, "Good luck getting him into sleep mode."
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:03 Jota | An information retrieval system will tend not to be used whenever it is more painful and troublesome for a customer to have information than for him not to have it.
[history]|20:04 Olly says, "My parents were born two weeks apart."
[history]|20:06 DorianX says, "My dad was born in 47 and my mom in 49"
[apropos-of-nothing]|20:08 lpsmith says, "Also known as the cow-orkers law."
[wtf]|20:08 Jota says, "The Science: It's a Girl Thing video mentioned above led me to this excellent response video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vyAWyAUHpI "
[lounge]|20:15 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[jobs]|20:18 Dave says, "they have a snack/soda/sandwich setup that is based on the honor system with a credit card kiosk"
[wtf]|20:19 Olly exclaims, "Science will make you attractive to men!"
[kids]|20:20 katre says, "argh argh argh\"
[kids]|20:20 katre says, "Z had head lice"
[kids]|20:21 katre says, "(I say 'had' because he is now bald)"
[kids]|20:21 katre says, "and given the sudden itchiness of my head I either have them too or I'm super-suggestible"
[kids]|20:21 Olly says, "Probably the latter, and maybe the former also."
[kids]|20:22 katre says, "yeah, not mutually-exclusive choices"
[kids]|20:22 katre says, "I did the comb on Z and found actual lice. I didn't find live lice on my head but I found either eggs or terrible dandruff"
[education]|20:22 DorianX says, "So Louisianna has dropped their plan to get rid of public education and send all the kids to religious schools."
[kids]|20:22 Olly says, "Hm."
[education]|20:23 DorianX says, "Turns out that there's no way to explicitly say "But no muslims!" without running afoul of the first ammendment"
[education]|20:23 Olly exclaims, "!"
[ollyprattle]|20:25 Olly says, "Ugh.  Triggers."
[kids]|20:28 katre says, "Z spent all day at his friend's house (not where the lice came from, since duchess left yesterday and was the first to report them)"
[kids]|20:29 katre says, "so I just had the fun of calling to say 'check your son for lice, and can Z still come over tomorrow afternoon while I'm at work?'"
[kids]|20:29 katre says, "being wonderful people, they said they'll check their son and of course Z is still invited"
[lounge]|20:30 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[kids]|20:30 Olly says, "Better tell the friend's parents."
[kids]|20:30 katre says, "that's what I just did, yes"
[kids]|20:31 Olly says, "lag"
[ollyprattle]|20:33 Olly says, "You know, I really like IF without any NPCs more."
[ollyprattle]|20:38 DavidW says, "I know I enjoy my home without any roommates more."
[ollyprattle]|20:39 DavidW says, "(he's been home sleeping all day, but now busy in the kitchen, hopefully off to work in a few more hours)"
[ollyprattle]|20:54 Olly asks, "A model railroad and a can of SPAM.  What else could an adventurer want?"
[music]|20:57 K-Y says, "this is excellent http://soundcloud.com/saint-etienne/saint-etienne-lazy-crazy-hazy "
[lounge]|20:58 Lionheart can see a dream in your dance. Lionheart can see tomorrow in your dance. We can call it, "our hope"!
[lounge]|21:00 Lionheart makes no law abridging the freedom of s***ch, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to ***emble, and to pe***ion the government for a redress of grievances.
[music]|21:00 K-Y says, "probably better for those who appreciate old music"
[kids]|21:02 Dave says, "one thing we've managed to avoid is lice...we do get reports from school often, so it's slightly surprising"
[kids]|21:02 Dave says, "the pink eye is the real bugger"
[kids]|21:04 Dave says, "and now you have me scratching my head"
[lounge]|21:05 Limax comes in, looking for sneaky salt shakers.
[kids]|21:05 katre says, "just did the treatment on myself, definitely found dead lice from my hair"
[kids]|21:05 katre says, "sigh"
[lounge]|21:05 Limax says (to Bishop), "Happy Happy"
[kids]|21:05 Jota says, "Eeeagh."
[kids]|21:06 katre says, "well, I already found live ones on Z, so"
[iPhone]|21:07 Limax says, "Okay... I'm not getting this"
[kids]|21:07 katre says, "now to hope this treatment works. I didn't mind shaving Z's hair (his summer haircut is a quarter-inch buzz cut anyway), but duchess will kill me if I shave my head while she's gone"
[iPhone]|21:07 Limax says, "I ask Siri for the weight of a bison, and she gives me the Wolfram/Alpha page that says it's 55 grams"
[iPhone]|21:08 K-Y says, "clearly it searched for a boson"
[iPhone]|21:08 Limax says, "If I say 'American Bison', it gives me a range of .47 tons to 1.1 tons, which is what I expected"
[art]|21:13 K-Y says, "I will never quite get used to how some different the world must look to some people http://www.flickr.com/photos/teohyc/7446360908/lightbox/ "
[law]|21:16 Allen | Charles Carreon is a sensitive character. Not only did he represent FunnyJunk in a defamation case and not only did he go after Matthew Inman, creator of The Oatmeal, in a separate case, but now he has also gone after the creator of charles-carreon.com, a new parody website.
[www-sux]|21:16 Jota says, "Oh, wow, dictionary.com totally sucks if you have javascript enabled."
[law]|21:16 Allen | In a letter dated Friday, June 21, 2012, Carreon accused the owner of that domain, which was originally registered as private, of trademark violation and cybersquatting and asked him to cease-and-desist. In the letter, he threatened to amend his (already once-amended) complaint to name Doe 2 as Satirical Charles, the nom de blog of the website's owner.
[www-sux]|21:16 Jota asks, "Ads that take over the entire page before you can see the definition of a word?"
[law]|21:19 Allen | "Charles Carreon sent a dumb libel demand letter," said Paul Levy, an attorney with the advocacy group Public Citizen, in an interview with Ars on Tuesday. "But I don't have any particular beef with Charles Carreon. We've been on his side over copyright issues. But people do have a right to use trademarks to address what they're talking about and that's what's happened here, and that's why we're supporting the person that registered that domain to create a parody of Mr. Carreon."
[law]|21:21 Jota asks, "Is parody a trademark defense?"
[law]|21:22 Allen says, "yes"
[law]|21:22 Allen says, "in some cases"
[law]|21:22 Allen says, "especially if it's non-commercial"
[lounge]|21:22 Rob comes right on in.
[law]|21:22 Allen says, "commercial parodies of trademarks are, I think, much less protected than commercial parodies of copyright"
[lounge]|21:23 Rob says, "blrn"
[lounge]|21:23 Limax says, "Hello Rob"
[lounge]|21:23 Grocible says, "robble"
[law]|21:23 Allen | Levy cited two prominent cases that would appear to bolster his argument for the right to parody a trademark holder. One is a 2005 case known as Falwell v. Lamparello, in which the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit decided against the trademark holder, Jerry Falwell, the conservative Christian preacher and pundit. In that case, Christopher Lamparello created the site fallwell.com, as a way to speak out against Falwell. The court found there was no "likelihood of confusion" between the parody and the official site, nor was there any "initial interest confusion" trademark infringement for non-commercial sites.
[lounge]|21:24 Rob says, "grocible, limax"
[law]|21:24 boucher says, "The thing is, I thought you generally had to be attempting to create confusion about ownership of the trademark to fall afoul of trademark violation."
[law]|21:24 Rob says, "speaking of trademarks, I saw some stacks of bottled water in walgreens called Nice!(tm)"
[law]|21:24 Allen says, "but, I remember a case a few years ago where a coffee shop was selling parody t-shirts of Starbucks, showing a mermaid with her legs spread wide, and a logo that said "Commercial Slut", which lost in court big time"
[law]|21:25 Rob says, "so I guess if you say Nice! someone owns that"
[law]|21:25 Allen says (to Rob), "no, that's not how trademark works"
[law]|21:25 boucher says, "It probably suffered for the defendant being a coffee shop."
[law]|21:25 Allen says, "if you sell a related product called "nice" that is confusingly similar to the product, you're gonna be liable"
[law]|21:26 boucher says, "Thus someone *might* see them displaying a logo that, at first, appeared to be the original, and made a mistake.  Sure, it's a stretch, but I can see where it was awarded."
[law]|21:26 Allen says, "there are also tiers of whether the trademarked word is a common word, or a completely fanciful word, or other things"
[law]|21:26 baf says, "Walgreens has a whole bunch of Nice!-branded products."
[law]|21:26 boucher says, "Also, because Starbucks has deep pockets and probably very powerful lawyers, and blah blah might makes right...."
[law]|21:27 boucher says, "It's long been established that trademarks can be, and in fact are usually domain specific."
[law]|21:27 baf says, "I like their Nice! rice crackers. I mean, it's just your standard cheap Asian junk food, but in conveniently small bags."
[law]|21:28 baf says, "and actually not all that cheap compared to real food"
[law]|21:28 boucher says, "So if you have a commercial where someone says, 'I see you're drinking water.  Nice!', that carries more weight than someone just saying 'Nice!' anywhere else."
[law]|21:29 Allen says, "it's pretty much always trade-specific"
[law]|21:29 boucher says, "And yeah, a judge may well just rule that 'Nice' is too common and raise the standard of proof further."
[law]|21:29 Allen says, "and very common words that are trademarked are trademarked in a very specific niche"
[law]|21:30 Allen says, "unlike completely made-up words like, say, Haagandaas"
[law]|21:30 Allen says, "selling Haagandaas camping equipment would probably get you in trouble"
[law]|21:30 baf says, "So, like, Apple is a trademark when applied to computers, but not when applied to fruit."
[law]|21:30 Allen says, "or music!"
[law]|21:31 boucher says, "Apple is a completely bad example."
[law]|21:31 Allen says, "except itunes, so it probably is covered now"
[law]|21:31 boucher says, "Apple is actually one of the most trademark-trollist stories in history."
[law]|21:32 Allen says, "let's just say trademark law is darned complicated"
[cabal]|21:32 Rob says, "'hey, let me take a poll about pricing'  'ok, nobody polled said what I want to charge, so I'm going to ignore the poll and charge what I want to charge'"
[cabal]|21:32 Emily says, "yeah well"
[cabal]|21:32 Emily says, "it's Dave!"
[law]|21:32 Allen says, "and, unlike copyright, there's trademark law at federal *and* state/local level"
[lounge]|21:33 Binder comes out of the closet.
[lounge]|21:33 Binder goes southwest to play with toys.
[law]|21:33 Allen says, "and international trademark law is a complete mess of stuff. You have Name appellation laws in Europe, and they're always super-pissed that their native immigrants moved to America or Canada or Latin America and kept calling things by the same names they were called back in small regions in Europe that are now covered under EU trademark law"
[law]|21:34 Allen says, "if Europe had their way, we'd have to rename virtually everything"
[law]|21:34 boucher says, "Apple makes computers.  Apple Records (the Beatles people) complain.  Apple says, 'Yeah, but we're not making music.  Give us a pass?'  'Okay, fine.  Just stay out of the music business.'  Later Apple registers Apple MIDI.  'We thought you were going to stay out of music.'  'Oh, just this one thing.  Nobody's going to get confused.'  'Okay, fine.'  Then the AppleCD CD-ROM drive.  'Okay, seriously.  Apple CD?  This is going to cause confusion.'  'Yeah, but...it's more for data.  Nobody will be bothered.'  Then eventually the iPod, iTunes, and the Apple Music Store.  A Judge practically declares Apple the rightful owner of the Apple trademark by now.  Apple Music gives up and gives Apple the name, and Apple currently now *permits* Apple Records to use *their name*."
[lounge]|21:35 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[cabal]|21:35 Rob says, "cue SNL sketch music"
[law]|21:35 Allen says, "the French champaigne producers got the US to ban champaigne in the US, but older makers were grandfathered in, so there are still a small number of sparkling wine makers in the US that can call their products "champagne". And, they're the ones that have been around since the 1940s, so they're almost all cheap sparkling-wine swill makers"
[lounge]|21:35 Duodave feeds the insatiable hatred of the envious and the jealous.
[lounge]|21:35 Duodave says, "hi"
[law]|21:36 Allen says, "where the artisanal makers have to call their stuff "sparkling wine""
[lounge]|21:36 Duodave says, "how is everyone today"
[I7]|21:36 Duodave says, "whats a good extension for doing conversations? I have been looking at some and some of them seem complex"
[law]|21:37 boucher says, "Oh, and as the final kick in the nuts, arm-twists them into finally putting the Beatles catalogue on iTunes"
[law]|21:37 Allen says, "in Italy, only cheese makers from a small region that make their cheeses using traditional methods and age them for at least a year can call anything "parmiggiano" but in the US, cheesemakers than make a disgusting product that comes in a plastic shaker that has a shelf-life measured in decades the same thing"
[law]|21:38 Allen says, "that's why I love America"
[I7]|21:38 DavidW says, "I assume the reason there's many extensions for conversation because there's no one 'right' way that suits everyone."
[law]|21:38 Allen says, "take that, Budweis!"
[law]|21:38 Duodave says, "i have friends who once brought me a huge block of parmigane from italy... it was actually kind of difficult to grate"
[law]|21:39 Allen says, "yeah... it's *hard*"
[law]|21:39 boucher says, "The only thing Apple could do to further dilute their trademark would be to close down and privatize Abbey Road to put an Apple Store on it, and buy the remaining Beatles into slavery."
[law]|21:39 boucher says, "Wait, that would be just being a dick, which they're also good at."
[law]|21:39 Allen says, "that'd be fun."
[law]|21:40 K-Y asks, "has Apple Records actually released anything since the Beatles broke up?"
[lounge]|21:40 Ellison asks, "I'm great, thanks. you?"
[law]|21:40 Allen says, "I'd love to see a McCartney/Ringo reunion together with computer-regenerated-other-beatles"
[law]|21:40 K-Y says, "other than more Beatles"
[law]|21:40 Duodave asks, "would they really have to?"
[law]|21:40 Allen says, "Apple Records released other things than the Beatles before the breakup"
[law]|21:40 Duodave asks, "i mean, how much did michael jackson pay apple ?"
[cabal]|21:40 Emily says, "I blame myself for still being suckered into conversations where I imagine I'm somehow going to help him understand something"
[law]|21:40 Allen says, "there was the extended-45 release in 1968 that included that great song "Those Were The Days""
[cabal]|21:41 Emily says, "because, as Hugo pointed out, I really should know better"
[law]|21:41 Allen says, "Those were the days my friend / we thought they'd never end / we'd sing and dance / forever and a day!"
[law]|21:41 Allen says, "I had that on 8-track tape. I loved that"
[law]|21:41 K-Y says, "well, who cares about a label that doesn't release anything"
[law]|21:41 Duodave says, "true"
[I7]|21:42 DavidW says, "I suggest finding a 'simple' one, for starters, but it really depends on how you want conversation to work in your game."
[I7]|21:42 DavidW says, "It might even be helpful to make a few toy test games just to experiment with."
[law]|21:42 boucher says, "It's complicated.  I think Michael Jackson owned sort of...like, 'shares' in the songs.  He could easily have chosen a different label to release the songs under, but I don't think he saw a reason.  They're a sublabel under Capitol records now, it appears."
[law]|21:43 boucher says, "Er, Capitol and EMI."
[lounge]|21:43 vaporware isn't exactly known for having Nobel Laureates or members of Star Fleet as guests.
[law]|21:43 boucher says, "Music licensing is so messy."
[law]|21:44 boucher says, "When you want rights to a song for international purposes, like in a movie, you often end up going to no fewer than a dozen parties to make sure everyone agrees."
[law]|21:44 Duodave says, "according to wikipedia, Apple hasn't released anything new in a while... quite a lot of best of compilations..."
[law]|21:45 vaporware says, "In the future, everything will be released anonymously on torrent sites because it'll be impossible to untangle the rights to anything."
[I7]|21:45 Duodave says, "thanks"
[law]|21:46 boucher says, "There are many things, a few of which I like, which are virtually impossible to release *just* because the soundtrack rights are almost impossible to untangle"
[law]|21:46 vaporware asks, "WKRP?"
[law]|21:46 boucher says, "Er, or re-release, you know, putting something out on DVD or whatever."
[tangent]|21:46 Allen says, "huh, 1962 version of Those Were The Days! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O5EeBjxhiY "
[law]|21:46 K-Y says, "also, for some reason most huge international labels don't operate in the US"
[tangent]|21:46 Allen says, "this is smarmy compared to Mary Hopkins"
[law]|21:47 boucher says, "One of the most infamous ones I really wanted, which they finally managed in a crude way with a lot of hard editing, was the MTV sketch comedy show The State."
[ifdb]|21:47 Rob asks, "how do I get my profile page as a url that I can post somewhere else?"
[law]|21:48 K-Y says, "so as it turns out, half the good stuff I want is available in Canada but not the US"
[ifdb]|21:48 Rob says, "just navigating there within site and being logged in it hides any identifiers from the url"
[ifdb]|21:48 Rob says, "saying just 'showuser'"
[law]|21:48 boucher says, "Like all other MTV TV shows, they had a blanket license to use any song that MTV received a video for.  It was part of the standard release contract MTV made every publisher sign.  'In return for us showing your video, you give us a royalty-free license to the song for X period of time'"
[law]|21:48 boucher says, "But that meant it was impossible to rerun or republish most of these shows."
[ifdb]|21:49 Rob says, "wait, figured it out"
[ifdb]|21:49 Rob says, " http://ifdb.tads.org/showuser?id=dbp7hrtpao8joatq "
[law]|21:49 boucher says, "One of my friends is annoyed that several anime are unpublishable in the US because, when it came time to license the content to the US, they licensed the video and the music to two different entities, and now they, or their rightsholder descendents won't cooperate."
[ifdb]|21:50 Ellison says, "dang, I figured it out, too"
[law]|21:50 Allen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Records_discography
[lounge]|21:50 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[law]|21:51 Allen says, "hey, Badfinger"
[law]|21:51 Rob says, "of course Badfinger !"
[band-name]|21:51 Allen says, "Badfinger is the single worst band name, ever"
[law]|21:51 Rob says, "they were one of the first acts signed, along with james taylor"
[cartoons]|21:51 Jota asks, "When did it become OK for cartoons to talk about death?"
[band-name]|21:51 Rob says, "I dunno, it's unique and memorable"
[cartoons]|21:51 Rob asks, "what kinda cartoons?"
[cartoons]|21:51 vaporware says, "Well, there was Beetlejuice."
[law]|21:51 boucher says, "Likewise, many may remember an anime called Robotech in the west.  It was partially re-edited and adapted from the Japanese anime The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, as well as several others.  Macross has continued on in Japan and had lots of sequels and other stuff, but none of it can come out in the US because one company who bought it to turn it into Robotech won't let them."
[cartoons]|21:51 Rob says, "if editorial cartoons from the beginning of newspapers"
[law]|21:52 boucher says, "Same thing for the Mechwarrior videogame series, as it used designs from it."
[band-name]|21:52 Allen says, "ha, past members list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badfinger "
[law]|21:52 Rob says, "the beatles' all-around-guy and semi-roadie Mal Evans found badfinger (I think then called The Hollies) and signed them and produced their first album"
[cabal]|21:52 Hugo says, "You know, Emily should really know bett -- oops, was afk."
[cartoons]|21:52 Jota says (to Rob), "Television cartoons aimed at kids."
[band-name]|21:52 Rob says, "there are an unfortunate number of suicides in the lineup"
[cartoons]|21:52 Jota says, "(Specifically, Adventure Time.)"
[band-name]|21:52 Rob says, "also, one of those legal wrangles where you had too many ex-members at the same time touring as badfinger"
[cartoons]|21:52 Rob says, "hmm"
[band-name]|21:53 Allen | Released in 1973,[36] the Ass front cover featured Evans' idea: a jackass staring at a huge dangling carrot.[65]
[law]|21:53 boucher says, "In a world where the Internet makes borders feel very thin, this is frustrating and stupid"
[cartoons]|21:53 Rob says, "in movie cartoons there's Bambi..."
[band-name]|21:53 Rob says, "I love the badfinger sound"
[band-name]|21:53 Rob says, "I kind of always wanted to be a band that sounded like my version of that"
[band-name]|21:54 Allen says, "soooo dated"
[band-name]|21:55 Allen says, "I'm pretty sure I had a greatest hits on cassette back in the day"
[band-name]|21:55 Allen says, "listening to them now is so depressing"
[band-name]|21:56 Ellison says, "to be honest, they weren't really on my radar until I heard 'baby blue' in The Departed"
[cabal]|21:58 Grocible says, "Hugo: you'll be pleased to know that I include the line "Look up. Look wayyy up" in my new book"
[law]|21:58 K-Y says, "going back to the original topic, the US *is* where courts domain names are regularly ordered to be handed over to the owner of the corresponding trademark"
[band-name]|21:58 Rob says, "I still think they rock out pretty good in their best stuff"
[law]|21:58 K-Y says, "er, -courts"
[lounge]|21:58 Ellison says, "oops, battery's dying. later."
[lounge]|21:58 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|21:58 * Ellison has disconnected.
[band-name]|21:58 Rob says, "has a nice fat sizzle to it"
[cabal]|21:58 Grocible says, "and if you're not pleased to know that, then damn you"
[band-name]|21:59 Allen says, "here's a vastly better piece from that exact same post-beatles era: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAvZrBEkImw "
[band-name]|21:59 Allen says, "Anne Briggs, who sounds just as fresh now as she did in 1971"
[cabal]|22:00 Hugo says, "You gotta know your audience."
[band-name]|22:00 Rob says, "vastly-better-according-to-Allen's-taste"
[band-name]|22:00 Rob says, "this is a folk song, not a pop-rock song"
[cabal]|22:00 Grocible asks, "Canadians of a certain age?"
[cabal]|22:00 Grocible says, "Middle age to older Canadians, I grimly admit"
[band-name]|22:00 Rob says, "it's not even comparable in terms of what it is"
[lounge]|22:00 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|22:00 * Emily has disconnected.
[band-name]|22:00 Rob says, "to me it sounds as dated as acoustic folk music sounded in 1971"
[band-name]|22:00 Allen says, "Steeleye Span!!!"
[cabal]|22:00 Hugo says, "Hang on."
[cabal]|22:00 Hugo says, "I'm twitching."
[band-name]|22:01 Allen says, "eep, heresy"
[band-name]|22:01 Rob says, "well, it was"
[lounge]|22:01 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[band-name]|22:01 Rob says, "its apogee was when bob dylan pre-electric"
[lounge]|22:01 Gerynar looks around and wonders who has gone ahead and finished any of his WIPs for him when he wasn't looking
[lounge]|22:01 Rob says, "'rynar"
[cabal]|22:01 Grocible asks, "Sound like anybody you know?"
[lounge]|22:01 Gerynar says, "'ob"
[band-name]|22:02 Allen says, "here's some real rock music, then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBBSYK20-T0 "
[band-name]|22:02 Allen says, "from 1970. British"
[band-name]|22:02 Allen says, "I don't listen to rock that much anymore, but early Maddy Prior still makes me swoon"
[band-name]|22:03 Rob says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7S8-Iewi0 "
[band-name]|22:05 Allen says, "see, that kinda music is the equivalent of early 70s cinema!"
[band-name]|22:06 Allen says, "ok, too dated."
[band-name]|22:06 Rob says, "early 70's cinema is great !"
[band-name]|22:06 Allen says, "there are no heroes! no excitement!"
[band-name]|22:06 Rob says, "it's funny to hear a guy that likes 15th century tunes saying something is too dated"
[band-name]|22:06 Rob says, "piffle"
[band-name]|22:07 Allen asks, "5 easy pieces... what's the point??"
[band-name]|22:07 Alex says (to Allen), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that the point is on top of your head."
[band-name]|22:07 Rob says, "Patton, The French Connection, The Godfather, MASH, Chinatown"
[band-name]|22:07 Allen says, "also, I got a great recording of 15c chansons that just arrived"
[band-name]|22:08 Allen says, "ok, the French Connect remains fresh today, but only because of the car-elevated-train chase"
[band-name]|22:08 Allen says, "and Chinatown does have the awesome nostril slitting"
[band-name]|22:08 Rob says, "my film professor said he grew up in that neighborhood"
[band-name]|22:08 Rob says, "so when everyone else was watching the chase he was looking at the little shops he recognized whizzing by"
[band-name]|22:08 Allen says, "but you watch MASH and all you can think is "Wait, these characters don't match up at all with the TV show I know instinctively""
[band-name]|22:08 Rob says, "heh"
[band-name]|22:08 Rob says, "well I'm a huge fan of the tv show"
[band-name]|22:09 Rob says, "it's taken me quite a long time to warm up to the movie"
[band-name]|22:09 Rob says, "which is really kind of annoying and bratty and nihilistic"
[band-name]|22:09 Allen says, "Godfather is just boring. I do like Patton, though"
[band-name]|22:09 Rob says, "it's too bad you don't like the Godfather because it's a high exercise in cinema"
[band-name]|22:10 Rob says, "but if you hate all the characters it's going to seem boring"
[lounge]|22:10 Gerynar says, "Sure is quiet tonight"
[band-name]|22:10 Rob says, "this rule applies to any movie"
[band-name]|22:10 Allen says, "it's an order of magnitude more exciting than the second movie"
[lounge]|22:10 Gerynar says, "I'm pretty sure I'm on all the cool channels"
[lounge]|22:10 Grocible asks, "#no-gerynar-here Think Gerynar'll notice?"
[lounge]|22:10 Grocible says, "oops"
[band-name]|22:10 Allen says, "I still don't like it"
[lounge]|22:10 Duodave says, "of course you are"
[lounge]|22:10 Rob says, "there's a lively debate going on #band-name right now"
[band-name]|22:10 Rob says, "yep I can see how it's unlikeable"
[band-name]|22:10 * Gerynar has joined the channel.
[textfyre]|22:11 Dave says, "so maybe found a biz partner"
[band-name]|22:11 * Duodave has joined the channel.
[band-name]|22:11 Rob says, "I'm just saying that it's actually really good on a lot of vectors and it's reputation isn't just gassy hype"
[textfyre]|22:11 Dave says, "28 years old...male...easy on the eyes...marketing major in his MBA"
[band-name]|22:11 Rob says, "you have to be into gordon willis's cinematography at the very least"
[textfyre]|22:11 Dave says, "had good questions"
[lounge]|22:12 borowski goes southwest to play with toys.
[textfyre]|22:12 Rob says, "or is he an ambitious guy who will want to use you for his own ends"
[textfyre]|22:12 Rob says, "what school did he get the MBA from"
[textfyre]|22:12 Rob says, "I mean, you might have to go with a guy like that anyway"
[band-name]|22:13 Allen says, "I have a real hard time maintaining an attention span through any movie these days."
[band-name]|22:13 Rob says, "I actually do know what you mean"
[band-name]|22:13 Allen says, "too many internet things happenning. Gotta keep refreshing my email. Check twitter. See who has replied to my comments on assorted news sites"
[band-name]|22:13 Rob says, "I'm not all that into anything lately"
[textfyre]|22:13 Dave says, "DePaul"
[band-name]|22:14 Rob says, "I had a plan to go to a movie tonight but I ended up enh-ing it once again"
[textfyre]|22:14 Dave says, "yes, you have to have a guy that is more interested in the business and less interested or less focused on IF"
[band-name]|22:14 Allen says, "also, it's non-productive to just sit there and passively absorb."
[band-name]|22:14 Gerynar asks, "what movie did you enh?"
[band-name]|22:14 Rob says, "my strategy seems to be to not do much of any internet anything"
[textfyre]|22:14 Dave says, "but more than anything, willing to work his ass off for about 6 months through the CPS pilot"
[textfyre]|22:14 Dave says, "for free"
[band-name]|22:15 Rob says, "hm well there was the steve carell thing about the end of the world, the new pixar movie, the abe lincoln vampire thing"
[textfyre]|22:15 Dave says, "and he seemed to be capable of all of that"
[band-name]|22:15 Allen asks, "oh is the abe lincoln vampire thing out?"
[band-name]|22:15 Allen says, "I'm not that interested in seeing it, but I'm interested in reading reviews of it"
[band-name]|22:15 Rob says, "I didn't know the new wes anderson movie was showing here (I thought it was only in NY and LA), but it turns out it is, but I didn't feel enough oomph to see it at the theaters it's showing in"
[band-name]|22:15 Rob says, "the reviews have been ok"
[band-name]|22:16 Rob says, "I just am so sick of vampires"
[band-name]|22:16 Allen says, "yeah."
[textfyre]|22:16 Dave says (to rob), "at some point, I could use your copyrighting ability again"
[band-name]|22:16 Rob says, "and as for this movie it seems like the title has the whole joke in it so why see it"
[band-name]|22:16 Allen says, "I thought hoboes were going to be the next vampires. But there have been precious few hoboes of late"
[textfyre]|22:16 Rob says, "well I'd be ok with that but I can't work for free"
[band-name]|22:16 Allen asks, "hobos?"
[textfyre]|22:16 Dave says, "I'm aware of that"
[textfyre]|22:16 Rob says, "which was the only sticking point earlier, I just want to mention"
[textfyre]|22:16 Dave says, "sure and I was poor back then"
[textfyre]|22:17 Dave says, "I have some amount of spending money for Textfyre now"
[band-name]|22:17 Gerynar says, "well, no more Clem Caddiddlehopper since we lost R. Skelton"
[textfyre]|22:17 Rob says, "the little bit plus Microsoft Office key seemed like fine compensation for the work I did up until I stopped"
[textfyre]|22:17 Dave says, "I just place it carefully now"
[textfyre]|22:17 Rob says, "so we're clean and even in my mind"
[textfyre]|22:17 Rob says, "yeah well let me know, I'm still around"
[textfyre]|22:18 Dave says, "I want to pull together the play to learn and game to learn white papers I've found and turn that into website marketing text"
[band-name]|22:18 Rob says, "hobos is funnier and probably legit"
[textfyre]|22:18 Rob says, "ok"
[textfyre]|22:18 Rob asks, "are you still doing the embedded dictionary thing?"
[textfyre]|22:18 Dave says, "so I'll have a bunch of theory and proof material and you'd have to dumb it down"
[lounge]|22:18 Duodave goes home.
[textfyre]|22:18 Rob says, "ok that's within my capabilities"
[textfyre]|22:19 Dave says, "that's a probability for the classroom software"
[textfyre]|22:19 Dave says, "but it may be a missing feature for the pilot"
[lounge]|22:19 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]|22:19 Rob says, "jen-o"
[textfyre]|22:19 Dave says, "but that's something I have to work through once we start meeting with CPS"
[textfyre]|22:20 Dave says, "it may be that they have a contract with M-W and I can use that"
[textfyre]|22:20 Rob says, "rather than working by the hour, I prefer that you work out what your budget is for what you want done, and that budget hires me to do it"
[textfyre]|22:20 Dave says, "anyway...Textfyre 2.0 has begun...and I'm going from 3rd gear to 5th quickly"
[TV]|22:21 Gerynar is watching Frontline on TV right now and is getting more and more scared of dentists
[lounge]|22:21 Limax says, "Hello jenrex"
[textfyre]|22:21 Dave says, "when I'm ready for that work, we'll talk more...probably closer to August"
[lounge]|22:21 Gerynar waves to rode
[lounge]|22:21 jenrexrode says, "hey-o"
[TV]|22:21 Rob says, "I've been scared of dentists ever since my regular dentist poked a sharp metal needle into a raw exposed nerve while doing an incompetent root canal"
[textfyre]|22:21 Rob says, "ok"
[textfyre]|22:22 Dave says, "I know this sounds crazy, but I sense a convergence....there are people publishing play to learn and game to learn papers"
[textfyre]|22:22 Dave says, "and I'm going to take those and use IF to build a learning model"
[band-name]|22:22 Allen says, "here's a 15c love song of the stuff I've been listening to lately: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn6Xp2rL2j4 "
[TV]|22:22 Hugo says, "That sounds like an irregular dentist."
[band-name]|22:22 Allen says, "Le souvenir de vous me tue"
[textfyre]|22:22 Rob says, "it's all slowly been moving forward the past 10 years"
[textfyre]|22:22 Rob says, "we all misapprehended the timeframe for breaking out, I think"
[textfyre]|22:23 Dave says, "and if we prove that test scores are better after a couple of chapters using IF as opposed to the standard textbook, we should be able to make a multi-year sale"
[TV]|22:23 Gerynar says, "it's about "medicare dentists" companies that are basically bilking medicare"
[textfyre]|22:23 Dave says, "we were ahead of our time"
[band-name]|22:23 Rob asks, "who are the people uploading 15c stuff to youtube?"
[textfyre]|22:23 Dave says, "and not for the reasons we thought"
[textfyre]|22:23 Dave says, "the changing factor (I think) was the iPad"
[textfyre]|22:24 Rob says, "hm, yeah, did make a difference"
[band-name]|22:24 Allen | The memory of you kills me, / My one treasure, when I cannot see you. / Because I swear to you upon my honor, / Without you my joy is lost. / When you are out of my sight, / I lament and cry out to myself; / Alone I remain, bereft of soul, / Receiving no comfort / And so I shall suffer in silence / Until your return.
[textfyre]|22:24 Dave says, "it opened the eyes of teachers to technology in a way they'd not considered"
[band-name]|22:24 Rob says, "on the other hand, I wouldn't mind composing something like this either"
[textfyre]|22:24 Dave says, "I think teachers viewed technology as a hindrance or a babysitter"
[textfyre]|22:24 Dave says, "and it doesn't have to be that way"
[textfyre]|22:24 Dave says, "it can he another tool"
[textfyre]|22:24 Dave says, "an effective tool"
[textfyre]|22:24 Rob says, "also just the convenience and availability and interface of it"
[textfyre]|22:25 Rob says, "2 year olds can use iPads"
[textfyre]|22:25 Rob says, "like fish in water, it's kinda creepy"
[textfyre]|22:25 Dave says, "right...there is no training"
[band-name]|22:25 Allen says, "the long melismas wouldn't really return to secular music until the early 1600s"
[band-name]|22:25 Allen says, "after the hey-day of the Loire valley chansons"
[textfyre]|22:25 Dave says, "and with texting so popular, playing IF is going to be very easy to transition to"
[band-name]|22:25 Rob says, "melismas, root word meli- meaning honey"
[band-name]|22:25 Allen says, "it got simplified as it moved to Paris, and to Italy"
[textfyre]|22:25 Rob says, "maybe"
[textfyre]|22:25 Gerynar says, "my 2 year old (now 3) can use Android tablets quite easily (I had a kid app on my Xoom that had a "drawing" mode) He kept coming up to me and asking "Color?""
[TV]|22:26 DorianX says, "Dentistry is a common source of insurance fraud"
[TV]|22:26 DorianX says, "and regular fraud"
[textfyre]|22:26 Dave says, "well, it helps that the students will be required to play IF"
[textfyre]|22:26 Dave says, "it won't be a choice"
[textfyre]|22:26 Rob says, "my niece and nephew use ipads so startlingly intuitively"
[textfyre]|22:26 Rob says, "says a lot for the touch interface apple developed"
[TV]|22:26 DorianX says, "I assume it's because doing it destroys the evidence"
[textfyre]|22:26 Dave says, "and that's only going to grow"
[textfyre]|22:26 Rob says, "but by the age of 2 you can swipe your finger around to poke and point at things"
[band-name]|22:26 Allen says (to Rob), "not the same song, but this is from the same manuscript this is taken from: http://plover.net/~agarvin/n117.jpg "
[textfyre]|22:26 Rob says, "and there you have it"
[textfyre]|22:26 Dave says, "the market is ripe"
[textfyre]|22:27 Dave says, "keep the wipes handy though"
[textfyre]|22:27 Dave says, "you know 2 year olds and runny noses"
[TV]|22:27 Gerynar says, "excapt for all the Stainless Steel caps for kids who really didn't need them, and were often incorrectly fitted to the kids"
[TV]|22:27 Gerynar says, "makes me want to cry"
[textfyre]|22:27 Rob says, "I just want to get my own games out there someday, I'm waiting for someone to invent some things that I don't have the ability to do"
[TV]|22:27 Grocible says, "the Tripods were bad that way"
[textfyre]|22:27 Dave asks, "like what?"
[TV]|22:28 DorianX says, "Well, you cna prove they were incorrectly fitted, but proving they didn't need them is hard"
[textfyre]|22:28 Rob says, "just like a deployable package that takes my z files and lets me tweak the UI skin, some ideas I have about abbreviating the interaction interface, and other stuff"
[textfyre]|22:28 Rob says, "I'm just not enough of a programmer to do any of it, though I know what I need"
[textfyre]|22:29 Rob says, "I can write the games but not the shell"
[TV]|22:29 Gerynar says, "Mass. medicare saw a huge increase in requests for payments for the caps...much higher than other dentists that took medicare"
[textfyre]|22:29 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[textfyre]|22:29 Dave says, "we should talk about that...Zifmia is relatively easy to skin"
[textfyre]|22:29 Rob says, "ok, when we start talking in another month or so, we'll talk"
[textfyre]|22:29 Dave says, "I haven't released any games on Zifmia because I'd like to do that holistically"
[textfyre]|22:29 Rob asks, "what do you mean holistically?"
[textfyre]|22:30 Dave says, "as opposed to repurposing Shadow or Secret Letter"
[textfyre]|22:30 Dave says, "all one thing"
[textfyre]|22:30 Rob says, "ah"
[textfyre]|22:30 Rob says, "ok"
[textfyre]|22:30 Gerynar says, ""holistic" makes me think of a particular PI who looked for lost cats"
[lounge]|22:30 Rob says, "ok, gotta go"
[textfyre]|22:30 Dave says, "I think I used the right word"
[lounge]|22:30 Rob says, "back later"
[lounge]|22:30 Dave says, "yeah - me too"
[lounge]|22:30 Rob moseys right on out.
[ifdb]|22:30 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[lounge]|22:31 jenrexrode goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[I7]|22:31 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[lounge]|22:31 Gerynar goes southwest to play with toys.
[textfyre]|22:32 Gerynar was refering to the book "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" by the late, great Douglas Adams
[drwho]|22:32 DorianX says, "In retrospect, it';s very weird that so many Doctor Who DVDs have Blue peter clips as bonus features"
[drwho]|22:32 DorianX asks, "like, given how much the BBC set on fire, why do these exist?"
[lounge]|22:36 vaporware vows never to return again, as he leads a rumba line out of the lounge after setting the place on fire.
[lounge]|22:37 Duodave sets fire to Hugo's tractor and crashes his golf cart into the lounge.
[lounge]|22:37 Duodave says, "stupid mushclient always times out on me for some reason"
[lounge]|22:39 Duodave asks, "anyone know of a windows client that doesn't drop without notice like mushclient?"
[lounge]|22:39 Limax says, "If you find one, I'd love to hear about it"
[health]|22:41 Duodave says, "there should be an #ah-narcotics channel"
[law]|22:41 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[lounge]|22:42 vaporware wouldn't want to be thought to be a mere welfare heretic, coasting along on handouts from theological anti-patronage, you know.
[textfyre]|22:42 vaporware says, "Ah, so *that's* who tablets are for."
[lounge]|22:46 Gerynar arrives from the Toyshop, declaring, "It's Castle Grayskull -- AND IT'S MINE!"
[lounge]|22:46 McMartin will IMMEDIATELY receive POWERFUL BONUSES
[drwho]|22:49 DorianX says, "Oh wow"
[drwho]|22:49 Duodave asks, "?"
[drwho]|22:49 DorianX says, "For the Day of the Daleks special edition, they actually filmed new live-action footage"
[drwho]|22:50 DorianX says, "With vintage 1970s film equipment"
[drwho]|22:50 Duodave asks, "really? with new daleks?"
[drwho]|22:50 DorianX says, "With *old* daleks"
[drwho]|22:50 Duodave says, "you know "Young Frankenstein" was filmed with old movie cameras"
[drwho]|22:50 DorianX says, "Like, they bummed a few period costumes"
[drwho]|22:51 DorianX says, ";I"
[drwho]|22:51 Jota says, "With long beards and canes in their plungers."
[videogames]|22:51 McMartin says, "Oh good, the big CK2 patch hit"
[lounge]|22:51 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|22:51 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|22:51 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|22:51 * Marktwo has connected.
[drwho]|22:51 DorianX says, "Not sure if the daleks were reproduction or original"
[drwho]|22:51 DorianX says, "Sounds like reproduction"
[drwho]|22:51 DorianX says, "thye basically re-filmed the fight scene between the daleks and UNIT"
[drwho]|22:51 Duodave asks, "wait, are those the ones they "borrowed" from people so they could film?"
[drwho]|22:52 DorianX says, "I think so"
[drwho]|22:52 Duodave says, "i think i heard that they needed so many daleks in the original version that entire scenes were filmed with cardboard cutout daleks"
[drwho]|22:53 DorianX says, "Not in this one I think"
[drwho]|22:53 DorianX says, "That was very famously the case in Power of the Daleks"
[drwho]|22:53 Duodave says, "well,  i am talking about when it was originally filmed in the 70s"
[drwho]|22:53 Duodave says, "oh"
[drwho]|22:54 DorianX says, "And in Planet of the Daleks, they used toys"
[drwho]|22:54 DorianX says, "and mirrors"
[drwho]|22:54 Duodave says, "i liked the transparent daleks in revelation"
[drwho]|22:54 DorianX says, "Like, there's a scene where they wanted the daleks rolling down a corridor three abreast"
[drwho]|22:55 DorianX says, "so they just had one dalek and mirrors"
[drwho]|22:55 DorianX says, "They also redubbed all the dalek voices for the special edition because the original dalek voices were shit"
[drwho]|22:56 Duodave says, "do you remember the one with the fourth doctor where they had a dalek drive over his coat and because it broke contact with the metal floor (it supposedly ran on static electricity) the dalek died"
[drwho]|22:56 DorianX says, "I do not think that happened in a fourth doctor story"
[drwho]|22:56 DorianX says, "It happened in the first dalek story ever"
[drwho]|22:57 Duodave asks, "i thought it did... oh was it?"
[drwho]|22:57 DorianX says, "Yeah. Though it wasn't the doctor's coat. It was a borrowed alien coat."
[drwho]|22:57 Duodave says, "maybe... then they put that guy inside the dalek case to take them prisoner"
[drwho]|22:57 DorianX says, "Yeah. That was Ian"
[drwho]|22:58 Duodave says, "it always struck me that the daleks were so damn flimsy, how could they be so terrifying? then like in the past few years they were made much better"
[drwho]|22:59 DorianX says, "The daleks are part of a very 50s sci fi monster tradition"
[lounge]|22:59 Limax walks slowly out of the room and into the sunset.
[drwho]|22:59 DorianX says, "That's one thing I like about the most recent mighty morphin power daleks design"
[drwho]|22:59 Duodave asks, "did you see the one with the second doctor where aliens were invading the earth with some kind of wacky foam?"
[drwho]|23:00 DorianX says, "Yeah. Seeds of... Death I think"
[drwho]|23:00 Duodave says, "yeah that was it"
[drwho]|23:00 DorianX says, "(There is also a Seeds of Doom./ Hard to keep those straignt)"
[drwho]|23:00 Duodave says, "with the ice warriors"
[drwho]|23:00 Duodave says, "loved those awesome scenes of the doctor fighting soap"
[drwho]|23:00 DorianX says, "And the ice lord was kinda, like, spangly"
[drwho]|23:02 Duodave says, "i downloaded a comic book of the sixth doctor the other day, he was lame in comics, too"
[drwho]|23:02 boucher says, "(Belatedly, recarding Blue Peter surviving and Doctor Who not...I have a new theory.  There have always been different divisions of the BBC for broad genres of programming, with different rules and different people in charge, and Doctor Who, IIRC, was lumped into a category called 'serials', where they got stuck with things like soap operas.  It was decided at some point, even when reruns were not really a thing, that there was even less reason to want to rerun soap operas than there was for other types of TV show.  Like, in the US, you don't exactly see them dusting off 1965-era episodes of General Hospital for general rerun either.  So that, combined with the BBC's retention policy meant, when it came time to rid out the archives, all serials, Doctor Who included, got the axe, while children's programming and some other things may have survived.)"
[drwho]|23:03 Allen says, "general hospital has no fanboys"
[drwho]|23:03 Jota says, "I Love Lucy has no fanboys."
[drwho]|23:04 boucher says, "If I recall correctly, Doctor Who wasn't recognizably a heavy fanboy thing until the late 70's at earliest"
[lounge]|23:04 Duodave heads into the spoiler room, situated just so, to inconvenience any invading evil spirits.
[drwho]|23:05 boucher says, "There are things that are created for the present only and things that are created for posterity.  I don't believe Doctor Who was thought of as the latter until that point.  Until then, it was something where...well, things just happened on a weekly basis, and there was no reason anyone should care about anything except 'what happens in our next exciting adventure'"
[news]|23:05 Allen | A baby chimpanzee was killed by an adult male chimpanzee inside their exhibit at the Los Angeles Zoo on Tuesday as visitors watched, zoo officials said.
[news]|23:05 BrenBarn says, "crazy"
[lounge]|23:05 Ellison arrives from the east.
[drwho]|23:06 Allen says, "I recall a lot of Dr Who articles in Famous Monster magazine in the 70s"
[drwho]|23:06 boucher says, "(To be imagined spoken in a tremulous radio announcer's voice)"
[drwho]|23:06 Allen says, "but I can't remember if they were mid or late"
[drwho]|23:06 Allen says, "also, I guess, Famous Monster wasn't exactly mainstream"
[news]|23:06 DavidW | The adult chimp will be tried by a kangaroo court.
[news]|23:06 BrenBarn says, "chimps are pretty insane"
[drwho]|23:06 DorianX says, "Hee hee. There's a bonus feature on UNIT dating"
[drwho]|23:07 boucher says, "Never date The Brigadier.  He's chivalrous, but very unemotional and difficult to please, and he'll never love you as much as he loves his job."
[drwho]|23:07 DorianX says, "and they come to the conclusion that as of Pyramids of Mars, you can be absolutely sure that the UNIT stories take place ten years after the date they aired. If you try REALLY HARD."
[drwho]|23:08 boucher says, "Oh, that sort of UNIT dating.  Well, that too."
[drwho]|23:08 DorianX says, "Mawdryn Undead scuttles everything, of coruse, but even so, it';s kinda hard to buy those hairstyles and those pants in 1979"
[lounge]|23:09 Ellison goes southwest to play with toys.
[drwho]|23:09 boucher says, "Even if it is known as the episode that screwed everything up in that respect, I still count it among my favorite"
[drwho]|23:09 DorianX says, "Really? Huh."
[lounge]|23:09 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|23:09 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[drwho]|23:09 DorianX says, "I thought it was sorta crap. Not least of all because it saddled us with Turlough"
[drwho]|23:11 boucher says, "They did a very good job of getting Nicholas Courtney to look like two different people, it had some fun time stuff, and...well, I have a soft spot for Turlough because even though his character development was done poorly, I just like the idea of a.) More male companions, and b.) An antagonist on board."
[drwho]|23:12 DorianX says, "Yeah. Looking back now, it;d kinda weird how they manage to make him look both exactlyl like he did in the 70s and exactly like he was gonna look later in the 80s"
[drwho]|23:12 boucher says, "And a story that takes place 'simultaneously' in one or more times is a plot device I like a lot"
[drwho]|23:13 boucher says, "Er, two or more"
[drwho]|23:13 DorianX says, "Huh. This featurette has the guy who played Benton in it"
[drwho]|23:13 DorianX says, "I thought he died like years ago"
[drwho]|23:13 DorianX says, "It also has Nick Courtney in it."
[drwho]|23:13 boucher says, "Obviously, getting something to take place in one time is a relatively simple base case.  Though getting one to take place in zero times is a challenge."
[drwho]|23:15 DorianX says, "Katy Manning is also in this featurette. SHe looks like she got a lower-half-of-her-face transplant from Mick Jagger"
[obits]|23:16 Ellison says, "whoa, Nora Ephron"
[drwho]|23:21 boucher says, "Well, naturally"
[drwho]|23:21 DorianX says, "Everyone in the commentary and special features for Day ofthe Daleks agrees on two things"
[drwho]|23:22 DorianX says, "first, that this story is AWESOME"
[drwho]|23:22 boucher says, "When we first saw her, she was still Manning.  Now she's fully Manned."
[drwho]|23:22 DorianX says, "and second that the structure of the plot is a mess"
[politics]|23:22 Allen says, "huh, Obama officially declassified the Pentagon papers last year"
[politics]|23:22 Allen says, "I missed that"
[politics]|23:22 Allen says, "40 years after everyone on the planet had read them"
[cyoa]|23:30 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Ghogg has posted message 34, about 'Gamebook on Kickstarter by Zach Weiner (SMBC guy)', to the bulletin board! Somebody pay neild his royalties!"
[lounge]|23:30 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 5018 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Tuesday, 26 Jun 2012, 11:30:23 PM EDT
There is one new message on #media/books/cyoa.
[cyoa] Rob says, "what's SMBC"
[cyoa] Ghogg says, "Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal (the webcomic)"
[cyoa] Rob says, "also hey, it's Ghogg"
[cyoa] vaporware says, "Super Motorcycle Biker Club, I bet"
[politics] Rob says, "huh"
[politics] Rob says, "last year huh"
[politics] Rob says, "around the time the guy who leaked the pentagon papers was railing about the obama administration's assault on the wikileaks guy"
[cyoa] Rob says, "neither of those are the least bit familiar"
[drwho] Rob says, "huhh lots of recap"
[cyoa] vaporware says, "At least one is made up."
[cyoa] Ghogg says, " http://www.smbc-comics.com/ "
<inky> Dwarves will receive an unhappy thought from choking on dust clouds (which won't matter if they're dead).
inky is pretty sleuthy for a music teacher.
[drwho] Rob asks, "does knowing you've watched during your lifetime the complete run of I Love Lucy five to seven times count as being a fanboy?"
inky says, "good evening"
Rob says, "inkleston-o"
K-Y says, "kaff kaff"
</Ghogg> Ghogg has disconnected from ifMUD.
Rob says, "I dunno if I'm going to make it to the RPG thing on saturday though I'm intrigued"
Rob says, "it falls across the line of when I'm still asleep from friday night/when I grind out of bed to help my dad do the weekly shopping on saturday midday"
Rob says, "it remains vaguely possiblable"
inky says, "well it would be swell"
Rob says, "hm ok"
Rob says, "I should set my iphone to ping"
Rob asks, "so 11 to 2 central?"
Rob says, "I may have to curtail my wild rock n roll carousing on friday night but mebbe"
inky says, "it's not officially scheduled yet, but yeah, that sounds right -- noon to three mudtime"
inky says, "hee hee"
Rob says, "the interesting thing is that if I set things to go beep and ping on my iphone, my ipad also beeps and pings these days"
inky says, "wow"
Rob says, "and the double of them actually helps me remember to do things"
inky says, "it's like they talk"
Rob says, "including playing videogames with my brother"
Rob says, "weeoo"
inky asks, "what are you playing with him now?"
Rob says, "well we're playing some game called MC3, modern combat 3, which has a bunch of two-player type capture the flag games"
Rob says, "so it's like running around in the the backyard playing laser tag with your brother, which is why we both like it"
inky says, "ha ha"
Rob says, "we had been playing a tom clancy rainbow 6 game, both in its capture-the-flag scenarios and in its storyline missions, but we finished the storyline and needed something new"
inky says, "you had this yearning for more flags to capture"
Rob says, "the MC3 game doesn't have a 2-player story scenario, though, which is lame, although we've found the capture flag stuff engaging"
Rob says, "this is the main thing I do with my ipad"
inky says, "hunh, I didn't realize that stuff was ipad-playable"
Rob says, "we connect via facetime, the video chat app apple provides, talk about our lives for a few minutes, then keep that link open while playing, and we can just automagically keep audio-chatting"
Rob says, "yeah"
Rob says, "we also tried a magic:the gathering clone (made by the original creator, apparently) for a while"
Rob says, "I tried to get him interested in DrawSomething but he was all drawsomething drawshmromfthing"
Rob says, "if he had an Xbox I'd probably play things with him that way but he doesn't"
[jobs] DorianX says, "if I hand on to my job for another year,they're gonna giveme another bonus"
Rob says, "he was talking about getting a bluray player, and I told him getting a PS3 is a good deal for that, but I don't think he's going that route. plus I don't have a PS3 either"
[jobs] DorianX says, "if I read it right, they are going to give me a $10k bonus in fact"
[jobs] DorianX says, ";WHich seems impossible"
[WWIII] Allen says, "hey, I missed this"
Rob says, "but for the first time in years there's like a brotherly game thing to do to hang out and feel fraternal, so it's been a boon"
[WWIII] Allen | Scott Ritter of Delmar, N.Y., who served as chief U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991-98 and who was an outspoken critic of the second Bush administration in the run-up to the war in Iraq, is accused of contacting what turned out to be a Barrett Township police officer posing undercover as a teen girl.
Rob says, "we go back to playing on an Atari VCS in the early 80s and stuff"
Rob says, "there's a way in which the MC3 game feels like a 3d version of the Combat cartridge you got free with the VCS"
Rob says, "which just had all these random goofy 2 player scenarios of shooting each other"
[WWIII] Allen says, "he's now serving a prison term in Pennsylvania up to 5 1/2 years"
[WWIII] inky says, "grody"
inky says, "ha ha"
[WWIII] Allen says, "there were the 3 other cases in the early 2000s that he said were politically motivated"
Rob says, "I had sort of wanted to have a game night with my brother for years now, but until I got an ipad my last birthday and he got one last christmas, it wasn't workable"
[WWIII] Allen says, "but this was years after everyone forgot about his iraq war opposition"
Rob says, "so it feels like one of my daydreams finally panning out after a lot of waiting and patience"
[robmumble] Rob says, "oh, speaking of daydreams panning out"
inky says, "that is great"
[robmumble] Rob says, "a while back I mentioned that there was this photo of me at the cafe that looked like me, but actually wasn't, but everyone including me agreed that it was"
[WWIII] Allen | Deemed a sexually violent predator by the Pennsylvania Sexual Offender Assessment Board, Ritter, 50, of Delmar, N.Y., stood tall with his hands folded in front of him and paused to collect his thoughts before addressing the court.
[robmumble] Rob says, "and then I tried to anonymously buy this photo and give it to the cafe"
[WWIII] Allen | "A lifetime of accomplishments weighed against a moment of human frailty," the former U.S. Marine said in a clear, steady voice. "I take full responsibility for my actions. This should never have been made public. Something like this should be kept between a man and his family."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I had this idea in mind of where I thought it should hang"
[WWIII] inky says, "that is kind of a disturbing way to put it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "for a month or so it went up in kind of this dark alcove corner where it was kind of overlooked"
[WWIII] Allen | He asked Monroe County Court Judge Jennifer Sibum to show leniency by sentencing him to a supervised non-incarceration community program that would let him be with his family. "If any man can stand here and say he's learned his lesson, I can," Ritter said.
[robmumble] Rob says, "but that was ok because I worried it seemed kind of hoity-toity to have them hang a portrait of me somewhere and that I'd get blowback"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but without my having to say anything or suggest anything, it appeared in exactly the spot I wanted it to appear in about 2 weeks ago"
[robmumble] Rob says, "as a permanent installation"
[robmumble] inky says, "wow"
[robmumble] Rob says, "so I was like wow, I didn't have to say anything, but my wishes were 100% fulfilled"
[WWIII] Allen | On two separate occasions in 2001, Ritter met what appeared to be two girls, one age 14 and the other age 16, in adult chat rooms and traveled to different locations to meet the girls, who both turned out to be undercover police.
[robmumble] Rob says, "which gave me a little optimism boost right when I was feeling kind of bummed out"
[robmumble] Rob says, "hm, probably the week I wasn't on ifmud, now that I recollect"
[WWIII] Allen says, "I would think a rational person would have learned his lesson after one, or maybe two episodes in the past, and would have decided southeast asia is the best bet"
[WWIII] inky says, "heh"
Recapping 15 of 15 lines from misc/politics/WWIII:
[WWIII]/001 olethros | Turkey says Syria fired on one of its planes that was taking part in a rescue operation for a warplane shot down by Syrian forces last week.
[WWIII]/002 olethros | The Taliban have banned an anti-polio campaign in Pakistan, accusing health workers of spying
[WWIII]/003 Allen says, "hey, I missed this"
[WWIII]/004 Allen | Scott Ritter of Delmar, N.Y., who served as chief U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991-98 and who was an outspoken critic of the second Bush administration in the run-up to the war in Iraq, is accused of contacting what turned out to be a Barrett Township police officer posing undercover as a teen girl.
[WWIII]/005 Allen says, "he's now serving a prison term in Pennsylvania up to 5 1/2 years"
[WWIII]/006 inky says, "grody"
[WWIII]/007 Allen says, "there were the 3 other cases in the early 2000s that he said were politically motivated"
[WWIII]/008 Allen says, "but this was years after everyone forgot about his iraq war opposition"
[WWIII]/009 Allen | Deemed a sexually violent predator by the Pennsylvania Sexual Offender Assessment Board, Ritter, 50, of Delmar, N.Y., stood tall with his hands folded in front of him and paused to collect his thoughts before addressing the court.
[WWIII]/010 Allen | "A lifetime of accomplishments weighed against a moment of human frailty," the former U.S. Marine said in a clear, steady voice. "I take full responsibility for my actions. This should never have been made public. Something like this should be kept between a man and his family."
[WWIII]/011 inky says, "that is kind of a disturbing way to put it"
[WWIII]/012 Allen | He asked Monroe County Court Judge Jennifer Sibum to show leniency by sentencing him to a supervised non-incarceration community program that would let him be with his family. "If any man can stand here and say he's learned his lesson, I can," Ritter said.
[WWIII]/013 Allen | On two separate occasions in 2001, Ritter met what appeared to be two girls, one age 14 and the other age 16, in adult chat rooms and traveled to different locations to meet the girls, who both turned out to be undercover police.
[WWIII]/014 Allen says, "I would think a rational person would have learned his lesson after one, or maybe two episodes in the past, and would have decided southeast asia is the best bet"
[WWIII]/015 inky says, "heh"
Recapped 15 of 15 lines from misc/politics/WWIII.
[robmumble] Rob says, "so now I can't say 'well, things never work out the way I want them to'"
[robmumble] inky says, "heh"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I was so used to that though"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'm reluctant to start being optimistic again just in case"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but now I have at least one weird incident where I did get what I imagined"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and I didn't even have to do anything"
[robmumble] Rob says, "well ok I paid for the portrait but that was down in the noise"
[robmumble] Rob says, "(christmas krone dvd sales -> paypal account -> portrait) = free*"
[robmumble] BrenBarn says, "that's cool man"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I did mention back when the portrait appeared that something felt weird about it and its appearance"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "the story of how I got what I wanted"
[tangent] Rob says, "yay"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "the past few years every summer they show movies for free at the courthouse gardens"
[tangent] Rob says, "nice"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "two years ago it was old monster movies (Frankenstein, Dracula, etc.)"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "last year it was song and dance movies (Fred Astaire, etc.)"
[tangent] (from Rob) BrenBarn says, "to make a long story short.... MILK !!!"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "both of the years I said 'hey you know what they should do next is old sci-fi movies or old westerns!'"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "this summer. . . they are doing old sci-fi movies!"
[tangent] Rob says, "hooray"
[tangent] Rob asks, "like forbidden planet and the day the earth stood still?"
[tangent] K-Y asks, "not old sci-fi westerns?"
[tangent] Rob asks, "metropolis?"
[tangent] BrenBarn says (to Rob), "yes exactly those two!"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "plus some others"
[tangent] Rob says, "THEM"
[tangent] Rob says, "the 3d movie It Came From Outer Space"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "hmmm, I don't think they're showing Them! unfortunately"
[tangent] Rob says, "well hooray"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "oh, invasion of the body-snatchers"
[tangent] Rob says, "nice"
[tangent] Rob asks, "have you been partaking?"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "well, it hasn't started yet"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "it starts in a week or two"
[tangent] Rob says, "oh ok"
[tangent] Rob says, "well see all those"
[tangent] Rob says, "how do they show these? indoor or outdoor screen"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "outdoors"
[tangent] K-Y says, "hopefully the earth is not invaded between now and then"
[tangent] Rob says, "mmm"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "here you can see the lineup https://artsandlectures.sa.ucsb.edu/Films.aspx "
[tangent] Rob says, "those three are all good"
[Robstuff] Rob says, " https://artsandlectures.sa.ucsb.edu/Films.aspx ""
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "oh, it does include Them!"
[Robstuff] Rob says, "it almost had to !"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "oh, that's the one they're not showing at the courthouse though, bummer"
[Robstuff] Rob asks, "the courthouse?"
[Robstuff] Rob asks, "like the santa barbara courthouse??"
[tangent] Rob says, "maybe you should be on the programming staff of this film series"
[tangent] Rob says, "so that you have the power to get what you want"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "heh heh"
[tangent] Rob says, "the only flaw is that they don't follow The Incredible Shrinking Man with The Incredible Shrinking Woman"
[tangent] Rob says, "also Metropolis"
[tangent] Rob says, "er, wait, I mean, The Attack of the 50-Foot Woman"
[tangent] Rob says, "growth not shrinkage"
[tangent] Rob says, "which we can now all read as a precursor of 60s feminism"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "heh"
[tangent] Rob says, "what you do is you go to all of these, and suss out who the guys in charge are, and introduce yourself as the handsome guy-with-fez who has ideas"
[tangent] Allen says, "I remember a screenshot of a japanese anime attack-of-the-50-foot-woman with a japanese school girl, who at one point rubs her crotch against the corner of a skyscraper"
[tangent] Rob says, "it's always easier for me to tell other people the plan than to give myself my own likewise plan"
[tangent] Rob says, "although I still don't think the fez works for me"
[tangent] Rob says (to Allen), "wow"
[tangent] Rob says, "subtle"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "I've already seen most of these movies"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "but it's fun to see them at the courthouse"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "people picnic on the grass and the like"
[tangent] Rob says, "the guy who did Sixgun wanted in the late90s/early00s a movie called The Cowboy War of the Worlds, which he never managed to do, and he was probably really jealous at the release of Cowboys Vs. Aliens, although that was a total box office flop, so maybe he was lucky"
[tangent] Rob says, "yeah, it"
K-Y says, "restart"
K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
K-Y has disconnected.
[tangent] Rob says, "it's the crowd you collectively see them with, it's that it's on a big screen, it's that it's summer and all for fun, etc"
[tangent] Rob says, "some things are better on a big screen than on a television set or a monitor"
[tangent] Rob says, "especially things filmed before those things were viable media"
[tangent] Allen says, "apparently there's an entire category of japanese porn involving school girl masturbation on schooldesk corners"
[tangent] Rob says, "even cheap B-movies were still intended for a big screen experience"
[tangent] Rob says, "wow"
[tangent] Rob says, "what's the japanese word for that"
[tangent] Rob says, "it must be a thing that happens if they're pornifying it"
[tangent] Rob says, "when I visited japan three decades ago all I saw were giant robot amalgams and schoolgirls playing volleyball"
[tangent] Allen says, "ah, found it. Not anime. Just a random illustration. NSFW, if anyone is still at work:"
[tangent] Allen | http://img2.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/desk-corner-onanism-gallery/desk-corner-onanism-tablesex-masturbation-053.jpg
[tangent] Rob says, "I guess I'm up for clicking on it"
[tangent] Allen says, "feel free to go back to the previous 52 images, if interested"
[tangent] Rob says, "gee it's not even a particularly phallic building"
[tangent] Rob randomly chooses 043, gets an actual desktop corner
[tangent] Rob says, "I wish I'd known this about school desktop corners when I was 15"
[tangent] Ellison says, "#belated I saw Them! for the first time within the last couple years and was surprised at how good it was"
[movie] Rob says, "tangent-tangent"
[movie] Rob says, "the ads for wes anderson's new movie"
[movie] Rob says, "promote the blurb 'Relive your first crush!'"
[movie] Rob says, "but all my crushes are painful one-way memories"
[tangent] Allen says, "disclaimer it was inky that led me to this site"
[movie] Rob says, "I never had a crush that led to a romance"
[movie] Rob says, "ie, never had a crush where my crushee was mutually crushing on me"
[movie] Rob says, "so I never had that experience, which makes me want to say pfah pfthth to this wes anderson movie"
[movie] Rob says, "what, you're supposed to have had an adolescent crush that the girl returned? pfie"
[movie] Rob says, "which makes me bitter and sad"
[tangent] Allen says, "this was also where I learned about the nintendo wii game where you play an intern hired by a Japanese megacorporation that's run by cats"
[movie] Ellison says, "yeah, I can relate. a new Wes Anderson movie makes me go 'yay' but I hope the happy crush stuff doesn't alienate me"
[movie] BrenBarn says, "I still like seeing movies like that even though I'm in the same situation"
[movie] Rob says, "I would facebook this sour reaction but I worry about making my first girlfriend (a facebook friend) sad, but I didn't develop a crush on her until after a long process of acclimatization"
[movie] Rob says, "yeah I may see it all the same"
[movie] Rob says, "it did induce a lot of self-reflection just seeing the ads"
[movie] Rob says, "I thought of some counterexample after a lot of searching, but it came with a lot of qualifiers and asterisks"
[movie] Rob says, "one of the reasons I haven't been dating is that I have a pessimistic outlook on anyone I have a crush on, because having a crush on someone has been universally disappointing so far"
[movie] Rob says, "it's basically only led to disappointment"
[clothes] vaporware says, " http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/work-blog/2012/jun/20/mad-man-mcdonalds-olympic-uniform "
[tangent] Allen | Sukeban Shachou Rena's gameplay involves several minigames where the player takes control of a cat or in other minigames, humans. Minigame examples include playing the piano, avoiding other cats from jumping at you, taking money from a cat while it is not looking, and dancing using the Wii Remote to appease Rena.
[clothes] vaporware asks, "Why is this bellhop working at McDonald's? Do we have to tip him?"
[tangent] Allen | In its first week of its release, Sukeban Shachou Rena had sold approximately 100 copies.[2][3]
[tangent] vaporware says, "IRTA avoiding other cats from looking at you"
[xkcd] inky says, "heh"
[personals] Ellison says, "example of where the poster's one point is proven wrong by the existence of the post: http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/mis/3103503231.html "
[personals] BrenBarn says, "heh"
[personals] inky says, "wow"
[drwho] boucher says, "Heh, I think I did that in the span of two months."
[drwho] boucher says, "(The Hallmark channel runs marathons of it every morning, and often I had nothing else to do and couldn't get back to sleep.)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "ooh, huh, hmm"
[robmumble] Rob says, "breaking news !"
[robmumble] Rob says, "ditiditiditidootodotodotiiditiidditiitidititit"
[robmumble] Rob says, "does anyone here know who wiley wiggins is"
boucher goes home.
boucher has disconnected.
[robmumble] vaporware asks, "Those crafty siblings from Orson Scott Card's books?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "that's a good answer"
[robmumble] BrenBarn says, "Wile E. Wiggins"
[robmumble] Ellison says, "I didn't know him by name, but having looked him up already, I read a fun interview with him just a couple years ago"
[robmumble] Rob says, "ok, he's an austin celebrity, partly through linklater films"
[robmumble] vaporware asks, "The guy who drives the boat of car?"
[robmumble] Rob asks, "I have been thinking for a while, 'why is there no Austin IF scene? should I start one?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "tonight I decided to google to see if there actually was one I didn't know about"
[robmumble] Rob says, "what it brought up was a 3-year old post from wiley wiggins on his blog where he talked about inform 7 and wondered why there was no austin IF scene"
[robmumble] Ellison says, "dang"
[robmumble] Rob says, "so about three hours ago I replied to that three year old message"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and said hey I'm Rob Wheeler I'm a total IF guy I'm wondering the same thing, meet me at my cafe or something if you're still into it"
[robmumble] inky says, "wow"
[robmumble] Rob says, "he just sent me an email five minutes ago"
[robmumble] Rob says, "saying, come to the austin indie gamer karaoke goof-off thing that happens"
[robmumble] Ellison says, "dang"
[band-name] inky says, "Karaoke Goof-off"
[robmumble] ghira says, "whoasters"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and I replied saying ok thanks, if I see you can I barge up to you and tip my hat and say hi I'm Rob Wheeler"
[band-name] Ellison says, "heh"
[band-name] Ellison says, "Whoasters"
[robmumble] Rob says, "because if I have his permission I'll f'ing do it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I might also fob krone and the qman onto him it occurs to me"
[robmumble] Rob says, "ah well"
[robmumble] Rob says, "hey more good news! this is a lot for one night"
<trikiw> The bad news is, I won't tell you the good news. The good news is, I won't tell you the bad news.
[webtv] DorianX says, "TGWTG 4th anniversary teaser is up"
[movie] Hugo says, "Crushes are overrated."
[movie] Hugo says, "Or so I used to tell every girl I tried to date."
[webtv] Rob says, "the who with the what now"
[movie] Rob says, "heh"
[robmumble] Ellison says, "there was a funny Onion or somewhere interview with him some years ago where they talked about some major league baseball player who kind of looks like his Dazed & Confused character grown up. Funnily enough, the baseball pitcher has gotten into trouble for smoking pot (something Wiley doesn't actually do himself)."
[webtv] DorianX says, "That Guy With The Glasses"
[webtv] DorianX says, "ie Channel Awesome"
boucher arrives unclothed and innocent, perfect in the still morning light.
[webtv] DorianX says, "the internet reviewer group that Spoony just got kicked out of"
[robmumble] Rob says, "he apparently used to occasionally come to the coffee shop I was the mayor of for ten years, but I never met him then"
[robmumble] Rob says, "*the foursquare idea of mayor, a decade before foursquare was invented"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'm intrigued that I got an immediate response, though"
Rob says, "uh oh, time to recharge"
Rob says, "blrup"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.