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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this."
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday McMartin!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, jpt, Jon, Bishop, marc, GDorn, Ryan, Allen, baf, Dave, McMartin, annabianca, Psmith, lpsmith, Jacqueline, DorianX, zaphod, ghira, Marktwo, Matthew, Whizzard, djfletch, jenrexrode, Doug, vimes, maga, Jearl, Grocible, boucher, DavidW, Ellison, small, borowski, vaporware, Hugo, Olly, Tale, BrenBarn, Emily
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 578 of 3945 lines from recent channels:
[lounge]/21:36 jenrexrode says, "tired"
[lounge]|21:37 borowski says, "I've been sleepy all day. I think it's the heat."
[lounge]|21:38 jenrexrode says, "my dad's visiting, and all we do is go out to eat or work on my house"
[lounge]|21:39 jenrexrode says, "luckily there's a Rangers game on right now, so I can rest"
[instruments]|21:39 jenrexrode says, "Texas Rangers"
[instruments]|21:39 jenrexrode says, "whoops"
[weather]|21:41 jenrexrode says, "100"
[weather]|21:41 jenrexrode says, "not now, tho"
[travel]|21:43 katre says, "might take a four-day vacation from 7/5"
[travel]|21:43 katre asks, "where should I go?"
[travel]|21:46 jenrexrode says, "colonial williamsburg"
[travel]|21:46 inky asks, "anywhere in the US?"
[lounge]|21:48 Rob comes right on in.
[lounge]|21:48 jenrexrode says, "hola rob"
[travel]|21:51 katre says (to inky), "I was also looking at europe"
[travel]|21:51 katre says, "rome is not terribly expensive"
[lounge]|21:53 Ellison says, "hey Rob"
[travel]|21:53 inky says, "if I had the choice to go to europe I would certainly go to europe"
[travel]|21:53 inky says, "I hear the chocolate and ricotta cake is good"
[travel]|21:53 katre says, "heh, true"
[people-suk]|21:53 Ellison asks (of Rob), "you see that jscott released all of the Get Lamp interview footage? has anybody expressed any interest in editing together their own IF doc?"
[fonts]|21:55 * borowski has joined the channel.
[music]|21:56 K-Y says, "odd, this 'free MP3s' promotion is allowing me to download songs that are not otherwise available in the US"
[music]|21:56 K-Y says, "well, I count that as a win"
[music]|22:02 borowski says, "Nifty"
[travel]|22:05 Jon says, "go to Japan."
[travel]|22:05 katre says, "doing that in august :)"
[lounge]|22:05 McMartin says, "Or, as the Germans call vaporware's connect, Ausrockenschaft"
[music]|22:08 Allen says, "cool, I got program notes for 20 years worth of BEMFs"
[lounge]|22:09 McMartin says, "Hm. OK, that's less funny because that looks like it would actually work."
[lounge]|22:10 Rob moseys right on out.
[lounge]|22:17 Hugo was a shrewd businessman and a fearsome adversary who was never loath to take credit for any invention, whether he was responsible or not.
[kids]|22:27 Hugo says, "Assuming it's true that babies have an instinctive grasp of the mechanics of swimming..."
[kids]|22:27 Hugo says, "...I think it's also true that they have an instinctive grasp of the mechanics of sailing."
[kids]|22:28 Hugo says, "My younger son is pre-crawling, but he rolls at alternating 45-degree angles to get closer to whatever forbidden object has captured his fascination."
[kids]|22:29 Hugo says, "It's like watching a boat tacking upwind."
[lounge]|22:29 Duodave arrives from the east. Duodave asks, "Anybody want a cow?"
[I7]|22:29 Duodave says, "i have a question"
[lounge]|22:29 Duodave says, "hi all"
[I7]|22:30 Duodave asks, "are there any real reasons to choose glulx over z8 or vice versa?"
[kids]|22:30 Ellison says, "what an elitist baby"
[kids]|22:31 Hugo says, "Ha."
[kids]|22:31 Hugo says, "It's really the way he always dresses in with a white sweater around his neck and calls me 'boy' that gets to me."
[I7]|22:32 Ellison says, "you'll hit limits in z8 before you'd hit them in glulx, I believe. after that, I guess it comes down to what your favorite interpreters are."
[I7]|22:32 Duodave asks, "what kind of limits?"
[lounge]|22:32 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[dinner]|22:32 jenrexrode says, "tots"
[I7]|22:32 vimes says, "the one really important difference is you have a lot more control over colored text output in z than in glulx, at the moment, until the illustrious zarf finds a huge pile of free time to write in full stylesheet support"
[kids]|22:33 Ellison says, "I forgot you were on kid #2 already. good thing Fade In has that character manager."
[lounge]|22:33 Olly stops daydreaming.
[lounge]|22:33 Olly says, "Hello."
[kids]|22:33 Hugo says, "Honestly who can keep track."
[I7]|22:33 Duodave asks, "ok so if i want colored text i need to use z8?"
[I7]|22:33 vimes says, "(ok, that's not really an important difference)"
[lounge]|22:33 Olly says, "I had fallen asleep, actually."
[I7]|22:33 vimes says, "you can define two "user styles" in glulx, so if you want more custom colors than that, yes"
[I7]|22:34 maga says, "in general glulx allows you to do more things things with images, sound and layout"
[I7]|22:34 Ellison says, "well, it's a notable difference"
[I7]|22:34 Duodave says, "i see some extensions say they dont work in glulx"
[macdev]|22:34 Hugo says, "Huh.  The turnaround for my last update from submission to release was June 1 - June 20."
[I7]|22:34 maga says, "I think that for most games of moderate size, you'll exceed the .z8 limits anyway"
[I7]|22:35 Duodave asks, "so i should stick with the glulx?"
[I7]|22:35 maga says, "I would wait until I7 says you can't use .z8 any more, then use glulx"
[weather]|22:36 jenrexrode says, "according to the news we hit 101"
[I7]|22:36 maga says, "and otherwise not worry about it unless you want to do fancy things"
[I7]|22:36 Duodave asks, "but if i am doing any screen formatting, wouldnt i need to make changes at that point?"
[lounge]|22:36 borowski says, "Hi Duodave and Olly"
[lounge]|22:36 Olly says (to small), "Hello.  I haven't gotten to meet you yet."
[lounge]|22:37 Duodave says, "i'm babysitting again"
[I7]|22:37 Duodave asks, "ok in the ifcomp, whats peoples general opinion of including extensions?"
[I7]|22:38 maga asks, "how do you mean?"
[lounge]|22:38 Hugo says, "An excellent opportunity to learn sailing."
[lounge]|22:38 Olly says, "Hello, ouroboroski."
[I7]|22:38 Duodave asks, "i mean, does it seem like a shortcut or cheat?"
[I7]|22:38 maga says, "no"
[I7]|22:38 maga says, "no more than using I7 rather than coding everything in your own homebrew system is a cheat"
[I7]|22:38 Duodave says, "let's take zarf's Basic If Help, it's almost an interface in itself"
[lounge]|22:39 Olly asks (of Duodave), "Whom are you babysitting?"
[lounge]|22:39 Duodave says, "my roommate's baby"
[I7]|22:39 maga says, "ifcomp is not about how magnificent your personal coding prowess is"
[I7]|22:39 vimes says (to maga), "what the heck, you can use a mainstream published operating system?  no wonder i never got my ifcomp entries in on time"
[I7]|22:39 McMartin says, "If anything, if you use an extension people recognize, they can often 'relax' because that's one less thing they have to worry about learning"
[I7]|22:39 maga says, "it's about the quality of the game you have produced"
[I7]|22:40 McMartin says, "And yes, maga has it"
[I7]|22:40 McMartin says, "If anything, there's an *anti* homebrew bias in the comp"
[I7]|22:40 McMartin says, "Because they keep forgetting to handle things like 'save and restore'"
[lounge]|22:40 Olly asks, "Huh.  Does the baby live with you all the time?"
[I7]|22:40 Duodave says, "its so intimidating... sometimes i think about my game ideas and come up with some awesome things, but when i sit down in front of the computer to code my mind is blank"
[lounge]|22:40 Duodave says, "yes"
[I7]|22:41 maga says, "yeah; if I see that someone has included a bunch of extensions, I'm inclined to think that they've spent a bit more time considering what they want their game to do"
[lounge]|22:41 jenrexrode likes when people ask questions she'd never ask.
[I7]|22:41 maga says, "it's not conclusive, of course, but it's still evidence"
[lounge]|22:41 Olly says, "So, in a way, the baby is also a roommate."
[lounge]|22:41 Duodave says, "true"
[lounge]|22:41 Duodave says, "ok, i am babysitting my roommate"
[lounge]|22:41 maga says, "a matelet"
[lounge]|22:42 Olly asks, "How old is your baby roommate?"
[lounge]|22:42 Duodave says, "18 months"
[I7]|22:42 McMartin says (to maga), "Of course, if they have included Supplemental Actions by Radical Al..."
[lounge]|22:42 Duodave says, "but we are out of apple juice"
[lounge]|22:42 Olly asks, "Walking, then?"
[I7]|22:43 maga says (to McMartin), "then I assume they're clueless, yes"
[lounge]|22:43 Olly says, "Uh-oh."
[lounge]|22:43 Duodave says, "oh yes, shes in a playpen watching "Sprout"
[wildlife]|22:43 * jenrexrode has joined the channel.
[lounge]|22:43 Duodave says, "shes singing the theme song to Caillou"
[wildlife]|22:45 jenrexrode says, "I saved a bee from drowning today"
[wildlife]|22:45 Duodave asks, "really?"
[lounge]|22:45 Olly reads about Sprout on the web.
[wildlife]|22:46 jenrexrode says, "yup. it couldn't get out of the dog dish"
[wildlife]|22:46 Olly says, "That was kind."
[lounge]|22:46 Duodave says, "it's an educational network for preschool kids"
[wildlife]|22:46 Duodave asks, "what kind of dog?"
[wildlife]|22:46 jenrexrode says, "my dog is a chihuahua"
[wildlife]|22:46 Duodave says, "i have a miniature schnauzer"
[kitties]|22:47 borowski says, "Messy just ate a mosquito while it was flying through the air.  She gets a treat for that."
[wildlife]|22:47 Olly says, "There are lots of chihuahuas in my building."
[lounge]|22:48 Duodave says, "damn she finished her apple juice... i wonder if she would drink powdered drink mix"
[wildlife]|22:48 borowski says, "Once they get in the walls, it's impossible to get rid of them."
[wildlife]|22:48 Duodave says, "lol"
[wildlife]|22:48 Olly laughs.
[wildlife]|22:49 jenrexrode says, "the, birds use this particular dish as a bird bath"
[wildlife]|22:49 Duodave says, "our dog is strange, her best friends are two cats"
[wildlife]|22:50 Olly says, "Overall, small dogs are the preferred form among my neighbors."
[wildlife]|22:50 jenrexrode asks, "are they shapre shifters?"
[wildlife]|22:50 jenrexrode says, "-r"
[wildlife]|22:51 Duodave asks, "our cats?"
[wildlife]|22:52 jenrexrode says, "no, olly's neighbors"
[wildlife]|22:52 Duodave says, "i don't know. i have never witnessed them shapeshifting. But wormtail stayed in rat form for years before he was detected... so i will watch the cats carefully"
[dinner]|22:53 jenrexrode says, "they don't have sweet potatoes at Wendy's anymore"
[dinner]|22:53 Olly says, "I didn't know that they used to."
[dinner]|22:53 Duodave says, "neither did i"
[dinner]|22:53 borowski says, "I didn't either."
[dinner]|22:54 Olly says, "It might have been regional."
[dinner]|22:54 jenrexrode says, "maybe we were a test market"
[dinner]|22:54 borowski says, "That would have been yummy."
[dinner]|22:54 Duodave asks, "they had regionals at Wendy's?"
[dinner]|22:54 jenrexrode says, "i got it 3 or 4 times while they were doing it"
[dinner]|22:54 Duodave asks, "do you live in ohio?"
[dinner]|22:55 Olly says, "Wendy's only has fish sandwiches during (western) Lent."
[dinner]|22:55 jenrexrode says, "I live in Texas"
[dinner]|22:55 Duodave says, "wendy's hq is in Columbus, Ohio. Usually their test markets occurred in Ohio"
[dinner]|22:56 jenrexrode says, "well maybe they come to Austin when they want to test hipsters"
[dinner]|22:56 Duodave says, "maybe"
[dinner]|22:56 Duodave says, "i lived in austin for a couple months"
[dinner]|22:57 Olly says, "Or it could have been something they introduced in the South."
[dinner]|22:58 jenrexrode says, "they also has macaroni  &cheese.  they were called upgraded sides, I think"
[dinner]|22:58 jenrexrode says, "but I guess that's gone, too"
[dinner]|22:58 Duodave says, "sounds like they are competing with chicken places"
[getlamp]|22:59 DavidW says, "wow. I really liked inky's interview."
[lounge]|22:59 Duodave says, "chloe can say "ma ma" but "ma ma" seems to mean "hey person thats bigger than me, look over here!""
[getlamp]|23:00 Duodave says, "havent watched that one yet"
[lounge]|23:00 Olly says, "Ah."
[anime]|23:01 jenrexrode says, "wah, this Bleach Zanpaktou arc has turned into a bunch of silly filler episodes."
[getlamp]|23:04 Ellison says, "inky is a well-spoken dude"
[getlamp]|23:04 Ellison says, "(I haven't watched any of them yet, other than what's in Get Lamp)"
[getlamp]|23:05 DavidW says, "I wish I was more articulate, but I knew from the start I have trouble with that."
[getlamp]|23:05 inky says, "really? hunh"
[getlamp]|23:05 inky says, "I guess I didn't recognize any of the stuff I said when I said it in the movie version, so I probably won't recognize any of the extra cut stuff either"
[getlamp]|23:06 DavidW says, "well, time does make one forget."
[getlamp]|23:07 DavidW says, "I watched Sargent's and inky's interviews today. I should probably watch zarf's next."
[getlamp]|23:07 inky says, "somebody said zarf's was really good"
[anime]|23:07 jenrexrode says, "omg, a 'to be continued' on a silly filler story"
[getlamp]|23:08 Ellison says, "when I had my chance to be interviewed, I declined since it caught me in a part of my life where the passion for IF had dwindled a bit and I had no idea what I would even talk about. I have to credit the release of Get Lamp and some of the other events some years later with re-igniting that enthusiasm."
[weather]|23:08 Olly says, "According to Weather Underground, the only month during which it has not snowed in Bozeman is July."
[getlamp]|23:09 Ellison says, "(I only had a chance to be interviewed since I was in Vegas when he was interviewing bruce)"
[weather]|23:09 jenrexrode says, "wow"
[lounge]|23:10 Duodave says, "ok shes drinking watered-down hawaiian punch now"
[lounge]|23:10 inky says, "sounds like she's got a drinking problem"
[lounge]|23:10 Ellison says, "ha"
[lounge]|23:10 Duodave says, "lol"
[lounge]|23:11 Olly sloshes water into their eye.
[weather]|23:11 jenrexrode asks, "how did you find that particular info, or was it just sitting ther?"
[lounge]|23:11 Duodave asks, "oh yay, pajanimals is on... good god how many times do they rerun this episode?"
[lounge]|23:11 Olly says, "Apparently small children enjoy repetition."
[lounge]|23:12 Duodave asks, "so, if i made a repetitive IF story, small children would enjoy it?"
[weather]|23:12 Olly says, "Seasonal Weather Averages under History & Almanac"
[weather]|23:12 jenrexrode says, "thanks"
[lounge]|23:12 Olly says, "The ones that could read might, I suppose."
[lounge]|23:13 Duodave says, "go east. Go east. Go east. Brush teeth. Sleep. Drink bottle."
[lounge]|23:15 Duodave asks, "man how many ice age movies can they come up with? I mean, didnt these critters die millions of years ago? how is that an entertaining concept?"
[ollyprattle]|23:15 Olly says, "I want to open my blinds, but that means I have to put a shirt on."
[ollyprattle]|23:15 Duodave exclaims, "*gasp* I'm blinded!"
[lounge]|23:16 maga says, "also, who gives a shit about what happened in some stupid galaxy far, far away"
[lounge]|23:16 Duodave says, "nodnod"
[ollyprattle]|23:16 (from Olly) Duodave is blinded by Olly's headlights.
[ollyprattle]|23:16 inky says, "blinds are like a shirt for the window"
[ollyprattle]|23:16 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|23:17 Doug says, "I am not actually sure if you're being sarcastic"
[ollyprattle]|23:17 Duodave asks, "what are vertical blinds, then?"
[lounge]|23:17 Duodave asks, "about what?"
[ollyprattle]|23:17 inky asks, "a spaghetti-strap top?"
[lounge]|23:17 Doug says (to maga), "I mean, I think you are being sarcastic, but it's plausible that you hate Star Wars"
[lounge]|23:18 maga says (to Doug), "I'm being sarcastic, although it is true that my love for Star Wars has been eroded down to a small, greasy nub"
[lounge]|23:18 Duodave says, "sort of like in zarf's interview where he said it was plausible that another author would come out with games he hated and be successful, which would certainly piss him off"
[lounge]|23:19 Olly says, "People create whole websites dedicated to the fact that they hate the Beatles."
[lounge]|23:19 Duodave asks, "how could anyone hate the beatles?"
[lounge]|23:19 maga says, "well, they *were* minions of Satan"
[lounge]|23:20 Duodave asks, "well, so?"
[lounge]|23:20 Doug says, "I don't think maga hates (or minimally loves) Star Wars because it's successful, or because it's in a galaxy far, far away."
[lounge]|23:20 borowski says, "I thought Satan was more a metal guy."
[lounge]|23:20 Doug says, "The Beatles were long, long ago"
[lounge]|23:20 maga says (to Doug), "the success is certainly implicated"
[lounge]|23:20 Duodave says, "he was in that tenacious d movie"
[lounge]|23:21 Duodave asks, "were the beatles in a galaxy far, far away?"
[lounge]|23:21 maga says, "frequently"
[lounge]|23:21 borowski says, "I guess there wasn't really metal in the 60's though."
[lounge]|23:21 Doug says, "I liked the Beatles before Jar Jar Binks joined the band"
[lounge]|23:21 Doug says, "the song that coined 'heavy metal' was from the '60s"
[lounge]|23:22 Duodave says, "I always thought mick jaggar looked like Jar Jar"
[lounge]|23:22 Duodave asks, "oh and whats with the brothers in "the band perry" sporting "the monkees" hairdoos?"
[ollyprattle]|23:22 Olly says, "My dog thinks that because I have put a shirt on I am now obligated to take him for a walk."
[lounge]|23:22 Doug says, "Mick Jagger could be descended from the Gungans, yeah"
[ollyprattle]|23:23 Duodave says, "our dog thinks that whenever we put shoes on or pick up the car keys"
[ollyprattle]|23:23 jenrexrode says, "my dog has lots of triggers for expecting a walk"
[ollyprattle]|23:23 Olly says, "Yes.  Mine thinks that, too."
[ollyprattle]|23:24 Olly says, "I probably really should take him for a walk."
[lounge]|23:24 Olly says, "I'm off to walk my dog.  Ciao, MUDlings."
[lounge]|23:24 Duodave asks, "ok is it a bad sign when a baby gets a look on her face like shes straining?"
[people-suk]|23:24 Ellison says, "ok, have to @ignore Duodave. I can't take it anymore."
[lounge]|23:24 Olly says, "It often means that she is pooping."
[lounge]|23:25 Duodave says, ":("
[lounge]|23:25 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[people-suk]|23:26 maga says, "he is a bit ADRIFTish, yes"
[WIP]|23:27 maga says, "nnrgh. I would like to stop running into walls."
[WIP]|23:28 K-Y says, "make some more exits"
[WIP]|23:28 maga says, "I'm pretty crap about getting demoralised by a block in one part of a WIP; if I'm not confident that it's going to get worked out, it's really hard to work on anything else"
[WIP]|23:29 inky asks, "do you have to work it out to be confident that it'll be worked out?"
[WIP]|23:30 maga says, "or have a fairly concrete idea of how to do so"
[lounge]|23:33 Duodave says, "yeppers she certainly was ... stinky, too"
[WIP]|23:33 maga says, "I've had too many projects that foundered on one critical obstacle"
[WIP]|23:33 inky says, "yeah"
[WIP]|23:34 inky says, "I mean, my nominally-current WIP was stalled for a couple years on something"
[WIP]|23:34 inky says, "but even though it's unstalled now I still haven't done that part, I just know basically how it's going to work"
[WIP]|23:34 vaporware says, "Write some placeholder content to break through it, and maybe you'll have the next Monkey Island."
[WIP]|23:34 inky asks, "is that how monkey island was written?"
[WIP]|23:34 Ellison says, "I hop around from WIP to WIP, but my system leaves a lot to be desired."
[WIP]|23:35 maga says (to vaporware), "unfortunately, the bit I'm stuck on is the mechanic around which the entire game is structured"
[WIP]|23:36 vaporware says (to inky), "A lot of the dialogue, at least."
[WIP]|23:37 inky says, "excellent"
[lounge]|23:37 Duodave says, "ok my charge's daddy is home so i am off babysitting duty"
[lounge]|23:39 Duodave says, "too baby he wasn't 5 minutes sooner, he could have changed her"
[ifdb]|23:39 Ellison | Let me start by saying that I've been away from IF for a long while now. I don't think I've touched an IF game for at least a year.
[lounge]|23:41 Duodave says, "hahaha i have HGTV's "Holmes on Homes" on... he's at a place where someone built a deck over the bathroom vent pipe... so if someone had been smoking on the deck, they could have in theory ignited methane gas"
[I7]|23:44 Duodave asks, "in parchment is there a way to control font sizes?"
[music]|23:47 K-Y says, "hmm, I missed that a-ha released their last single a while ago"
[music]|23:47 borowski asks, "Is it good?"
[music]|23:48 K-Y says, "I like it quite a bit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZjXysUwmM4 "
[music]|23:49 K-Y says, "and *of course* it's got the references to the Take On Me video"
[dogs]|23:51 jenrexrode says, "I don't remember putting this milk bone on my own lap"
[lounge]|00:00 ghira wakes
[lounge]|00:02 jenrexrode says, "yo g"
[lounge]|00:02 ghira says, "j"
[music]|00:07 borowski says, "Yeah, that is catchy."
[lounge]|00:07 Duodave goes home.
[DrawSomething]|00:11 jenrexrode says, "yay"
[DrawSomething]|00:14 jenrexrode says, "oh no, it showed an ad, instead of letting me watch my friend guess my drawing"
[DrawSomething]|00:14 jenrexrode says, "ok, i got to quit an restart it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:15 inky asks, "from the design perspective, what's the advance of distributing something as pdf vs html+css?"
[food]|00:16 borowski says, "I had a hot dog"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:16 inky asks, "is it mostly about being easier to look right when printed?"
[food]|00:16 inky asks, "how hot was it?"
[food]|00:16 borowski says, "for dinner so now I'm eating broccolli as a snack."
[food]|00:16 borowski says, "The hot dog was great."
[food]|00:17 borowski says, "Raw brocolli is terrible.  I love sauteed brocolli, but this is terrible."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:17 inky says, "er, s/advance/advantage"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:18 borowski says, "Yeah, I'd imagine the advantage would be control over formatting."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:19 borowski says, "HTML would also require separate files for images and such"
[food]|00:21 jenrexrode says, "I gave up on raw brocolli - it hurts my stomach"
[food]|00:21 jenrexrode says, "but cooked is yummy"
[food]|00:21 borowski says, "I'm not convinced that raw brocolli is actually food."
[yahoo-answers]|00:24 borowski | Yes, if you don't cook it [brocolli] you are at risk for salmonella and other bacteria/viruses.
[lounge]|00:25 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|00:25 Olly says, "re"
[lounge]|00:25 jenrexrode says, "re"
[yahoo-answers]|00:25 borowski says, "Maybe I should start cooking my apples too. I don't want viruses."
[yahoo-answers]|00:25 Olly says, "Baked apples are yummy."
[yahoo-answers]|00:26 Olly says, "Broccoli has more little crevices for pathogens to hide in, though."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:26 DavidW says, "I always thought the advantage of pdf over html+css was that you get the notion of pages built into it, and so it prints on distinct pieces of paper just the way you want -- if you print it."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:27 DavidW says, "For online perusal, pdfs can be annoying if the author chose a multi-column format for the text."
[workplace]|00:27 jenrexrode says, "so I've been reading up on workplace bullying, and I guess my phrase for the Birthday Card lady is 'no comment' or 'i have nothing to say to you' instead of the 'get lost' version that got her threatening EEO against me"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:27 ghira says, "and if the person has paper that shape"
[workplace]|00:28 borowski says, "That seems best considering the way she likes to twist words around."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:28 ghira says, "printers at work spend a lot of time sittnig there saying "load letter""
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:28 ghira says, "which means someone has printed something which wants to be printed on "US letter paper" and the user didn't notice"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:29 ghira says, "though maybe this problem has been fixed by automatic "resize to paper" or something"
[workplace]|00:29 jenrexrode says, "thanks"
[yahoo-answers]|00:29 borowski says, "Oh no! The broccoli is already eaten!"
[yahoo-answers]|00:29 Olly asks, "What broccoli?"
[yahoo-answers]|00:30 borowski says, "The broccoli I just ate."
[yahoo-answers]|00:30 Olly says, "Ah."
[yahoo-answers]|00:30 borowski says, "I better eat some potato chips to do battle with the pathogens."
[yahoo-answers]|00:31 Olly says, "Heh."
[yahoo-answers]|00:32 Olly says, "Probably the best move now is not to worry about it too much."
[lounge]|00:32 Hugo says, "Google has started to do this bounce thing when you scroll to the end of, like, an email in Gmail."
[yahoo-answers]|00:32 Olly says, "That can also make you sick."
[lounge]|00:32 Hugo says, "I wish they would settle the heck down."
[yahoo-answers]|00:33 borowski says, "I'm not too worried. I just love the mob wisdom of yahoo answers."
[lounge]|00:33 jenrexrode asks, "to let you know you're at the end?"
[lounge]|00:33 Hugo says, "Yes, in case not scrolling anymore didn't get that point across."
[lounge]|00:33 jenrexrode says, "heh"
[lounge]|00:33 Olly says, "Speaking of Google, I hope everyone rejoiced in the Alan Turing doodle."
[lounge]|00:36 jenrexrode says, "rejoice at feeling brain dead? I suppose"
[lounge]|00:36 Olly asks, "?"
[lounge]|00:36 borowski says (to Olly), "No, I missed it :("
[lounge]|00:36 Doug says, "I rejoiced!"
[lounge]|00:36 jenrexrode says, "I didn't get anything out of it"
[lounge]|00:37 Olly says (to ouroboroski), ":("
[lounge]|00:37 Doug says, "Turing machines are pretty esoteric, yeah."
[lounge]|00:37 jenrexrode says, "I gave it 2 turns, and wasn't going for a 3rd"
[lounge]|00:38 borowski says, "I need to see if it's possible to get the daily doodle on my iGoogle page."
[lounge]|00:38 borowski says, "Ah, yes it is.  I did get to enjoy the Moog doddle a couple of weeks ago though."
[TV]|00:41 Ellison says, "I'm about a handful of episodes into Magic City. there's some good cinematography, atmospheric music, and some actors I was happy to see. I started watching it because I was hoping it'd be this cool noir thing, and it has some of the elements down, but man, it really has a mediocre plot and pacing and is basically a waste of time. this is too bad."
[jendoodle]|00:46 jenrexrode says, "my dad is staying one more night, even though I have work in the morning :("
[dinner]|00:47 DavidW says, "mm, yummy concentrated French Canadian pea soup. It looked like chunky hummus, so I didn't bother to actually add water or cook it, just scooped it into a bowl."
[dinner]|00:47 borowski says, "I imagine that being super salty and delicious."
[dinner]|00:48 DavidW says, "not super salty, but yes, it is tasty."
[dinner]|00:48 DavidW asks, "I suppose yellow peas and chickpeas are the same thing?"
[dinner]|00:49 ghira says, "I didn't think so"
[dinner]|00:50 Allen asks, "what makes it french canadian instead of just canadian?"
[dinner]|00:51 Allen asks, "was the can not bilingual?"
[dinner]|00:52 DavidW says, "Yellow pea soup is a Quebec tradition or something."
[dinner]|00:52 DavidW says, "And all our soup cans are bilingual in Canada."
[dinner]|00:54 DavidW says, "If it was labelled just 'pea soup', you'd assume it was the green pea soup, so I guess they needed to qualify it somehow."
[TV]|01:00 Hugo says, "I had never even heard of this.  I'm so damned old."
[TV]|01:01 Ellison says, "well, it's Starz, a channel I happen to have but never watch"
[TV]|01:03 DavidW says, "I've never heard of the channel; that's how old I am."
[wildlife]|01:03 Olly says, "Lonesome George, the Galapagos tortoise has died."
[lounge]|01:04 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|01:04 * K-Y has disconnected.
[wildlife]|01:04 inky says, "lonesome no more"
[lounge]|01:04 Tale explains that time is a corridor. You can't enter into time, but sometimes time can try to enter into the present.
[lounge]|01:04 Tale says, "Good morning"
[lounge]|01:05 Olly says, "Hello, Tale."
[movie]|01:05 Hugo says, "Magic Mike gets a decent review from THR."
[lounge]|01:05 ghira says (to tale), "woo woo _woo_ woo _woo_ woo"
[lounge]|01:05 BrenBarn busta.
[movie]|01:05 Hugo says, "Also, Steven Soderbergh makes everyone else trying to get movies made look like an asshole."
[lounge]|01:05 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|01:05 Olly exclaims, "Busta busta busta!"
[TV]|01:06 ghira asks (of tale), "what are the latest developments in the world of soup and music?"
[lounge]|01:06 BrenBarn says, "hey"
[movie]|01:06 inky says, "hunh, semi-based on a true story"
[lounge]|01:06 borowski says, "Hi Tale and BrenBarn"
[movie]|01:06 inky says, "I feel like if I'd worked as a stripper I wouldn't want to star in a movie based on that"
[movie]|01:07 inky says, "but I guess if I were a movie star I would be a different kind of personality"
[movie]|01:07 Ellison says, "several of those hip thrusts actually happened"
[wildlife]|01:07 Olly says, "Apparently he was not especially old for a Galapagos tortoise."
[movie]|01:07 inky says, "ha ha"
[wildlife]|01:07 borowski says, "Aw."
[TV]|01:07 Tale says (to tv), "Some kind of machine appeared from the sky! It was rude to Major Clanger and dug in the earth! Then it's arm came off and it flew away! The arm was some kind of telescope! they found a blue planet in the sky, but in the end decided not to go there."
[movie]|01:08 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[TV]|01:08 ghira says (to tale), "very wise"
[movie]|01:08 BrenBarn says, "you thrust your pelvis based on a true story, uh!"
[wildlife]|01:08 jenrexrode says, "turtle heaven"
[TV]|01:08 Tale says, "It was very dramatic."
[wildlife]|01:09 inky says, "endless fields of lettuce and earthworms"
[TV]|01:09 ghira asks, "was there time for soup?"
[movie]|01:09 Ellison says, "heh"
[wildlife]|01:10 Olly says, "Heh."
[movie]|01:10 ghira says (to inky), "I guess if you did something like "the full monty" you wouldn't mind appearing in a film based on it, because that would be a nuts enough reason to have been a stripper that people would find it amusing"
[wildlife]|01:10 inky says, "also, wait, a tortoise going to turtle heaven is like a catholic going to protestant heaven"
[wildlife]|01:11 borowski says, "Eek!"
[wildlife]|01:11 jenrexrode says, "wah"
[wildlife]|01:11 inky says, "oh, hmm, I guess I'm wrong"
[wildlife]|01:11 inky says, "I thought it was like alligators and crocodiles"
[wildlife]|01:11 Olly says, "A tortoise is a kind of turtle."
[wildlife]|01:11 inky says, "but basically they're the same thing"
[wildlife]|01:11 inky says, "yeah"
[wildlife]|01:11 borowski says, "Huh, I didn't know that either."
[movie]|01:11 Hugo says, "I've been stripping every night on the mud for years and none of you have noticed."
[wildlife]|01:11 DavidW says, "sheesh. Always splitting rabbits."
[wildlife]|01:11 inky says, "ha ha"
[movie]|01:11 BrenBarn says, "we just were too polite to say anything"
[wildlife]|01:11 borowski says, "Maybe I was thinking of toads and frogs."
[wildlife]|01:12 inky says, "well, frogs can go to toad heaven"
[wildlife]|01:12 inky says, "because frog and toad are friends"
[wildlife]|01:12 borowski says, "Hehe"
[movie]|01:13 Hugo says, "Uh!"
[movie]|01:13 ghira says, "maybe we should be grateful for the lack of webcam integration in the mud"
[TV]|01:13 Tale says, "not this time"
[movie]|01:13 inky asks, "is Hugo making a pelvis-thrusting noise or a noise of surprise?"
[movie]|01:13 Ellison says, "ha!"
[movie]|01:14 Hugo says, "Wait, this webcam isn't doing anything??!  Well what the fu --"
[wildlife]|01:14 Olly says, "A map in the Wiki entry on turtles suggests that no turtles live in mainland South America west of the Andes.  That's interesting."
[wildlife]|01:15 Tale says, "I've heard they're migrating there ... slowly."
[movie]|01:15 Tale says, "A lot of people told me Hugo had Multimedia support!"
[movie]|01:15 Hugo says, "I have multimedia but apparently no support."
[wildlife]|01:15 inky says, "ha ha"
[movie]|01:16 ghira asks, "are you interactive? can we view you from multiple angles?"
[wildlife]|01:16 BrenBarn says, "once I saw a sign on a telephone pole near my apartment"
[wildlife]|01:16 BrenBarn says, "it said "Lost: pet turtle.  Comes to the name of 'Shelly'""
[wildlife]|01:16 Olly says, "Aw."
[software]|01:17 Allen | 15 years on, Winamp still lives--but mismanagement blunted its llama-whipping.
[wildlife]|01:17 borowski | http://woofbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/picture-153.png
[wildlife]|01:17 borowski says, "Also a turtle named Shelly."
[lounge]|01:20 olethros thinks, in tearstained capitals.
[lounge]|01:20 olethros says, "hello"
[software]|01:20 Allen | The Windows Advanced Multimedia Products (WinAMP) player was released to the world on April 21, 1997. The next year, when its parent company Nullsoft formally incorporated, Winamp became $10 shareware. But no one pays for shareware, right? Wrong.
[TV]|01:20 Tale says, "I'm still not sure how their economy works. The soup dragon seems to be in charge of the soup wells, but he doesn't take any kind of compensation for giving them soup."
[software]|01:20 Allen | "Nothing ever was broken [if you didn't pay], there was no feature that was unlocked," Rob Lord told Ars. "In that year before we were acquired, we were bringing in $100,000 a month from $10 checks--paper checks in the mail!"
[TV]|01:20 olethros says, "he took flowers"
[lounge]|01:20 Olly says, "Hello, olethros."
[software]|01:21 Hugo says, "Wow."
[software]|01:21 Hugo says, "Different planet."
[software]|01:22 vimes says, "hey, i paid for winamp"
[software]|01:22 vimes says, "i think i thought it was karmic balance for obsessively not paying for mirc or winzip"
[software]|01:23 Allen says, "I hadn't realized AOL acquired them"
[software]|01:23 Allen says, "AOL, where things go to die"
[software]|01:24 borowski says, "I hadn't thought about winamp in years."
[lounge]|01:24 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|01:24 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|01:24 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|01:24 * Marktwo has connected.
[lounge]|01:25 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|01:25 * boucher has connected.
[software]|01:26 Allen says, "hey, other things that AOL bought that no one has thought about in years: ICQ, Mapquest"
[software]|01:29 borowski says, "I wonder if I still have an ICQ account. I probably don't have that email account anymore."
[CCG]|01:32 Jon | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6126277/curbstomp.png
[CCG]|01:33 Jon says, "The only problem with Duels of the Plansewalkers is that I'm unable to cause an AI actual pain."
[CCG]|01:33 inky says, "ok, this is crazy"
[CCG]|01:33 inky asks, "why do they give you a realistic angle that makes it hard to read the cards?"
[CCG]|01:35 vimes says (to inky), "man, i was thinking the same thing"
[CCG]|01:36 Jon says, "you think this is bad, you should see the interface design for their professional-grade product"
[TV]|01:36 ghira says, "maybe the clangers take soup ingredients to the dragon"
[TV]|01:36 ghira says, "timing"
[CCG]|01:36 Jon says, "Magic Online is like the matrix product of this and Comic Sans."
[CCG]|01:36 inky says, "I can't decide if I even want to see cards at all"
[CCG]|01:36 inky says, "hee hee hee"
[CCG]|01:37 Jon says, "also the visual quality is much better on the ipad. this screenshot is at 60%."
[wildlife]|01:37 ghira says, "hmm. squirrel taking nuts one at a time in quick succession and mostly burying them."
[CCG]|01:37 inky says, "that makes sense"
[CCG]|01:37 Jon says, "so all those jagged edges aren't actually there really."
[CCG]|01:38 vimes says, "Magic the Gathering Online: Just a Box of Water that Smells of Fish"
[TV]|01:38 Tale says, "I'm also not sure how the physics on the Iron Chicken's floating nest work"
[CCG]|01:38 inky asks, "also, do you have a 60-card deck with 20 land?"
[CCG]|01:38 inky says, "because if so getting 19 land is pretty crazy"
[CCG]|01:39 inky says, "though I guess it looks like you're almost out of cards"
[CCG]|01:39 Jon says, "I have a 60 card deck with whatever level of land they automagically put in there for you."
[CCG]|01:39 Jon says, "you can't control the land amounts. this is the arcade-level digital game."
[TV]|01:39 ghira asks, "magnetic monopoles?"
[health]|01:40 boucher asks, "Does anyone have any familiarity with methadone used therapeutically, as opposed to as a withdrawal mitigator?"
[CCG]|01:40 Jon says, "looks like they stick 25 land in a 60 card deck"
[health]|01:40 inky says, "geez man"
[health]|01:40 inky says, "you're supporting all this talk about marijuana as a gateway drug"
[TV]|01:40 Tale says, "might be, might be. I hope they address it in future episode."
[health]|01:41 boucher says, "Believe me, I'm reaching out in all directions at once.  If there's any gateway, it's desperation"
[CCG]|01:41 Jon says, "I actually used Sleight of Hand ( http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=221496 ) several times to stick some land on the bottom of the library."
[health]|01:42 Olly says, "That's God's truth."
[TV]|01:42 ghira says, "I fear you may be disapppointed."
[TV]|01:42 inky says, "ha ha"
[health]|01:42 borowski says, "I think it's used when people respond badly to other pain killers."
[health]|01:42 boucher says, "The only reason I *don't* take to the street is because it's harder to secure a steady supply and dubiously more useful."
[CCG]|01:42 Jon says, "because my main complaint with DotP so far is mana flood."
[CCG]|01:42 Jon says, "well, after 'not being able to make an AI commit suicide out of shame'"
[health]|01:43 boucher says, "But I'm trying to enumerate my options before I see my doctor in a few weeks"
[CCG]|01:43 inky asks, "wait, are the rules different?"
[health]|01:43 Olly says, "Also, there are potentially bad consequences if you get caught."
[crime]|01:43 Allen | Guy Impersonating Police Officer Pulls Over Guy Who Isn't
[lounge]|01:43 Lionheart can see a dream in your dance. Lionheart can see tomorrow in your dance. We can call it, "our hope"!
[crime]|01:43 inky says, "ha ha"
[TV]|01:43 Tale says, "I hate it when sci-fi shows are lazy with the physics."
[CCG]|01:43 Jon says, "no"
[TV]|01:43 ghira says, "Other than this the Clangers is hard SF, I know."
[CCG]|01:44 Jon says, "they just pick the amount of lands for your deck for you. thus, 25 out of 60."
[health]|01:44 boucher says, "And I was watching (not that he's a good role model) House, in an episode in which he takes Methadone and suddenly feels better.  Granted, he stops breathing at one point, but...I don't know...that might be a risk worth taking, if not now, at some point."
[CCG]|01:44 inky says, "I guess that is going to give a little too much mana"
[TV]|01:44 ghira says, "next you'll be wanting to know exactly what "sminki pinki" and "ethethethethetheth" mean"
[crime]|01:44 Ellison says, "that seems like it has happened enough times that they shouldn't even report it anymore... unless it's being reported by a journalist impersonator, I mean"
[crime]|01:45 inky says, "well, but the one guy bit the other guy"
[crime]|01:45 Ellison asks, "why don't they lead with that?"
[crime]|01:45 ghira says, "one of the people I take stupid chili sauces to says one stopped him breathing briefly. and could he therefore have more."
[health]|01:45 boucher says, "Given that my doctor suggested putting me on fentanyl last visit, I get the feeling nothing's off the table anymore"
[health]|01:46 inky says, "hmm"
[health]|01:46 borowski asks (of boucher), "Are you in chronic pain?"
[health]|01:46 ghira says, "In the UK heroin itself is used as a painkiller in some cases, i seem to recall."
[health]|01:46 ghira says, "terminal cancer patients, maybe"
[health]|01:46 boucher says, "I've been since told otherwise, but that was my impression of fentanyl"
[health]|01:47 boucher says, "Only for the terminally ill"
[health]|01:47 ghira says, "wikipedia seems to suggest otherwise"
[health]|01:47 borowski says, "Fentanyl is a very powerful drug."
[health]|01:47 boucher says, "The question is how far of a dead end I'm entering."
[health]|01:48 Olly asks, "Is it your leg that is causing you pain?"
[health]|01:48 boucher says, "There's only so much a body can take"
[health]|01:48 boucher says, "My feet, mostly"
[lounge]|01:48 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[health]|01:48 boucher says, "My legs to a much lesser extent"
[health]|01:48 borowski says, "Drugs do help in the short term, but opiate withdrawl is also very painful."
[health]|01:49 Olly asks, "Ah.  From infection still, or another cause?"
[health]|01:49 boucher says, "I've tried.  It's not so much painful as...sickening.  Very much like a very bad case of the flu"
[health]|01:49 boucher says, "It's survivable, but not something I'd lightly endure."
[health]|01:49 ghira says, "wiki suggests heroin also used for post-surgical stuff in the UK"
[health]|01:49 borowski says, "Ah."
[health]|01:49 inky says, "I've seen how this works, you chain yourself to the bed and eat ice cream"
[health]|01:49 ghira says, "tins of soup I thought"
[health]|01:50 ghira asks, "or is that only in edinburgh?"
[health]|01:50 boucher says (to Olly), "The infection caused what is possibly permanent nerve damage"
[health]|01:50 Olly nods.
[health]|01:50 Olly says, "Yikes."
[USA]|01:50 Allen | NSA: It Would Violate Your Privacy to Say if We Spied on You
[health]|01:50 boucher says, "If I were to quit, I'd taper as gradually as possible."
[health]|01:51 boucher says, "I don't need to go cold turkey, Trainspotting-style"
[USA]|01:51 Allen | The surveillance experts at the National Security Agency won't tell two powerful United States Senators how many Americans have had their communications picked up by the agency as part of its sweeping new counterterrorism powers. The reason: it would violate your privacy to say so.
[health]|01:51 Olly says, "I suppose that whether it is permanent would be a very helpful thing to know when making decisions about medication."
[health]|01:51 boucher says, "Nurses have told me to give it a year"
[health]|01:52 boucher says, "But we are already halfway there, and I don't think it's significantly better, though it does occasionally fluctuate from painful to numb at annoying points."
[health]|01:52 boucher says, "Numb is little better, because then I can't walk right or prevent further injury."
[health]|01:53 Olly nods.
[health]|01:53 boucher says, "I have to keep a cane at the ready, even if I'm feeling okay, just in case my feet cut out on me"
[TV]|01:53 Tale says, "heh"
[health]|01:54 Olly says, "That sounds frustrating."
[health]|01:54 boucher says, "Pain is sometimes preferable, because at least that gives more feedbqack"
[health]|01:54 boucher says, "But at its worst, I don't even want to stand or walk"
[health]|01:55 boucher says, "I wait to the last moment to even use the bathroom"
[health]|01:55 boucher says, "It's like the floor is covered in shards of glass"
[sleep-deprivation]|01:56 jenrexrode says, "I hope I can stay asleep until it's time to get ready for work.  I've been waking up anxious for days."
[health]|01:56 Olly says, "I'm sorry."
[health]|01:56 inky says, "hmm"
[health]|01:56 inky says, "if they decide it's permanent I wonder if there's some surgical solution"
[health]|01:56 inky says, "to make it permanently numb"
[sleep-deprivation]|01:56 inky says, "erf"
[health]|01:56 boucher says, "I try to keep doing normal things, even when it hurts the most, because loss of routine was what led to me getting weaker last time."
[health]|01:57 boucher says, "I've been told there is, but it would carry a high risk of impaired motor function and a huge risk of other injuries that would eventually lead to amputations."
[health]|01:57 Tale says, "eek"
[health]|01:58 boucher says, "Effectively, I'd be on the path to being in a wheelchair, if not immediately, then soon"
[law]|01:58 Allen | In this case, Carreon doesn't really have a client, since he's representing himself. So it would appear that many rules intended to protect clients, like conflict-of-interest rules and, let's say, rules about not messing with (even disputed) client funds, would not apply here. (If you're thinking that self-representation could cause problems under Rule 3-120 (Model Rule 1.8(j)) "Sexual Relations With Client," think again, smarty--the definition of "sexual relations" requires that it involve "another person." They thought of that, apparently.)
[law]|01:58 inky says, "ha ha"
[health]|01:58 boucher says, "I'd consider it, but not without a lot of soul searching about what I wanted my life to be like."
[health]|01:59 Olly nods.
[lounge]|02:00 Emily arrives.
[lounge]|02:00 maga says, "hey Em"
[lounge]|02:00 Emily says, "hey"
[lounge]|02:00 Olly says, "Hello, Emily."
[health]|02:00 boucher says, "But a life constantly considering pain is not a life to live either, so...I dunno.  It's a really bad place to be, but I have to make some decisions soon."
[lounge]|02:00 Ellison says, "hey Emily"
[lounge]|02:00 Emily returns from Chris Crawford's mountain fastness
[lounge]|02:00 inky says, "ang"
[lounge]|02:00 inky says, "er, dang"
[health]|02:00 Olly says, "Pain puts a lot of stress on you both physically and emotionally."
[lounge]|02:00 Ellison says, "huh"
[lounge]|02:00 DavidW says, "goodness"
[lounge]|02:01 Emily says, "Dan Fabulich and Alexis Kennedy were there too"
[lounge]|02:01 maga says, "I have been playing too much Dwarf Fortress for that mental image"
[health]|02:01 boucher says, "For now, at least sometimes I can distract myself and have some joy."
[health]|02:01 boucher says, "I hope that continues as long as possible."
[lounge]|02:01 DavidW asks, "Were there cookies?"
[lounge]|02:01 inky heads east.
[lounge]|02:01 Emily says (to DavidW), "among other things"
[lounge]|02:01 DavidW says, "ooh aah"
[lounge]|02:01 Emily says, "in fact there was a terrifying variety and plenty of food, such that I feel kind of overwhelmed"
[lounge]|02:01 Emily says, "Chris' wife fed us and fed us"
[lounge]|02:02 DavidW says, "huh. Perhaps the usual crowd are starving artists and starving students."
[lounge]|02:02 Emily says, "donuts, cake, every type of fruit, sandwiches of several kinds, salads of several kinds, pizza, vegetables, dips, chocolates"
[lounge]|02:02 Emily says, "tea, coffee, cocoa, soda"
[law]|02:02 Allen says, "wow, Gloria Allred is representing the girl-friend of the deceased face eater"
[lounge]|02:03 Emily says, "homemade pickles"
[lounge]|02:03 Emily says, "deviled eggs"
[law]|02:03 Allen says, "actual Allred quotes:"
[lounge]|02:03 DavidW says, "my word"
[lounge]|02:03 Emily says, "this is what I am saying"
[law]|02:03 Allen | It is very important that the social taboo and stigma that have long been attached to this subject continues and that society condemns cannibalism, rather than trivializing it or glamorizing it.
[law]|02:03 Allen says, "and:"
[lounge]|02:03 BrenBarn says, "mmm, donuts"
[law]|02:03 Allen | C]annibalism is a serious issue and is very dangerous to the health and the well-being of the cannibal and the victim.
[lounge]|02:03 * ghira has disconnected.
[lounge]|02:03 * ghira has connected.
[lounge]|02:03 ghira says, "meep"
[lounge]|02:03 Emily says, "also cereals and croissants"
[lounge]|02:04 maga says, "I am picturing Chris' wife as being all 'I'm sorry about what my husband said about the validity of your entire medium, have some pie'"
[lounge]|02:04 Emily says, "heehee"
[lounge]|02:04 DavidW says, "ha"
[law]|02:04 boucher says, "I thought cannibalism allowed you to absorb the power of the person you ate"
[law]|02:04 Olly says, "I'm pretty sure the culture I was raised in condemns cannibalism."
[law]|02:04 boucher says, "Unless, I guess, the person you ate was sick.  Kuru and such."
[lounge]|02:05 Emily says, "in fact a lot of the conference consisted of Chris saying "isn't it true that attempts at interactive storytelling have currently gone nowhere?" and everyone else saying "NO" and Chris saying "don't you all think we need Storytron and Storytron alone can save us?" and everyone else saying "NO. But, like, make Storytron if you want to, but that's not the only way.""
[lounge]|02:06 maga says, "it seems that this could have been predicted"
[lounge]|02:06 Emily says, "featured scene: Dan Fabulich pointing to top of pine tree and saying, "I think *MY* holy grail is IN THAT TREE""
[lounge]|02:06 Rob comes right on in.
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Emily says, "(the tree being somehow a figure for CYOA)"
Rob says, "glorb"
[law] boucher says, "I didn't know anyone had been glamorizing cannibalism, really."
Olly says, "Hello, Rob."
maga says, "or possibly a squirrel"
DavidW says, "oh my"
Emily says, "it was actually kind of an awesome weekend"
Ellison says, "hey Rob"
Emily says, "there was also drinking and gossip"
Emily says, "in the evenings"
DavidW says, "ooh gossip"
[law] Olly says, "Nor I."
BrenBarn says, "was hitler granny a topic of conversation"
DavidW says, "I do like the mental image of Crawford and Fabulich butting heads."
Emily says, "it was kind of hilarawesome"
Emily says (to BrenBarn), "no"
Emily says, "Laura Mixon was there and was so palpably nice"
Emily says, "we all had to talk about some interactive story or storytelling project we were interested in, and she went last, and talked about something she had been trying to do with Storytron and never finished, and she actually cried about how sad she was she didn't get a chance to complete it"
DavidW asks, "She wrote Shattertown Sky or something like that?"
Emily says, "yeah"
Ellison says, "I think Cryptozookeeper proved that Hitler-looking characters is pure gold"
BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[law] boucher says, "Trivializing, maybe...I suppose I could march outside the courtroom with a sign that said 'Om nom nom in omnibus'"
BrenBarn says, "Hitler himself may have proved that"
Emily says, "the 'why weren't you in Get Lamp' topic also came up"
DavidW says, "mm"
[law] Olly says, "I suppose the internet allows people to be perverse together instead of alone, which perhaps makes such things more visible."
DavidW says, "One could ask that of a few other people too."
[tangent] Olly asks (of Alex), "Storytron?"
[tangent] Alex asks (of Olly), "Um, seven?"
borowski says, "I had to get my oil changed that weekend."
[tangent] Olly asks, "What is Storytron?"
Tale says, "I wasn't asked. Blame Jscott."
[tangent] DavidW says, "I have a page on ifwiki about it."
[tangent] borowski says, " http://www.storytron.com/ I guess"
[tangent] borowski says, "I was checking it myself."
[tangent] DavidW says, " http://ifwiki.org/index.php/Storytron "
ghira says, "I don't think any of the Phoenix mob were asked either"
Ellison says, "I was in Vegas. Blame Vegas."
[travel] Rob says, "through some quirk of booking a ticket with airline miles, I'm flying first class to my cousin's wedding in august"
ghira says, "(and no I don't include myself in the mob. I mean the initial crew)"
[travel] ghira says, "crikey"
[travel] Rob says, "mostly I am looking forward to having actual legroom and lack of back and neck pain by the end of the journey"
[travel] BrenBarn says, "not bad"
[travel] ghira says, "also metal cutlery"
Ellison says, "there's some British guy who comes around for ClubFloyd named phoenix. I've been trying to find out if he is a phoenix fan."
[travel] Rob says, "my dad is donating his miles to get this ticket, and when it came up saying first class he said 'that can't be right!' and got on the phone to try to fix it"
[tangent] boucher says, "I'm actually a little humbled by http://www.storytron.com/WhatWentWrong.html "
[travel] Rob says, "I was secretly hoping he wouldn't be able to"
Ellison says, "er, the second mention was supposed to be Phoenix"
[travel] ghira asks, "you can donate miles to other people?"
[travel] Emily says, "occasionally for no good reason miles tickets in first class are not more expensive"
[travel] Emily says, "I have discovered"
[travel] Rob says, "yeah"
[travel] ghira asks, "oh?"
[travel] Emily says, "so in that case just say "yay!" and go with it."
DavidW says, "Shame we never got Panks into Get Lamp. His interview would've been sure to be different from everyone else's."
[travel] Rob says, "apparently this can happen in any normal situation based on availability, but usually there isn't availability"
[travel] ghira says, "(translatlantic first class is something completely insane like 16k dollars I thought)"
[travel] Rob says, "I'm flying on a wednesday morning to denver, and apparently there are just a lot of seats open that day"
[travel] Emily says (to ghira), "yeah, that's a whole other story"
[travel] Emily says, "transatlantic first class you don't get except by sacrificing babies"
[travel] Emily says, "but within the US I meant"
[travel] ghira says, "I have occasionally at least toyed with the idea of paying for business class but first class, sheesh"
Rob says, "yeah"
Ellison says, "yah"
[tangent] ghira says, "somewhat related to spending 16k for a plant ticket"
Ellison says, "er, yeah"
[tangent] boucher says, "I mainly remember Storytron/Erasmatron as a joke...with horrible and silly stories with scary avatars and enduring memories of scary grandmothers and Poot and Cat and such"
[tangent] ghira says, "er plane. AB found an airline magazine with an article about watches"
[tangent] ghira says, "it had some with prices from 60k to 90k euros."
[tangent] ghira says, "which, wtf"
[tangent] ghira asks, "I knew there were watches which cost a few thousand currency units .but 90k? really?"
[tangent] boucher says, "That he recognizes that it was a failed experiment and wishes to address it and move forward is...well, something."
[tangent] Rob says, "yeah me too"
[tangent] borowski says (to boucher), "Yeah, that must be tough."
[tangent] DavidW says, "wow, I never saw the What Went Wrong page before."
Hugo goes home.
Hugo has disconnected.
[tangent] ghira says, "even if I were a multimillionaire I can't see why I'd want a 90k watch"
[tangent] Olly says, "It seems hard to take something named Erasmatron seriously."
[tangent] Rob says, "I saw crawford talk at some GDC I went to, and it's kind of this thing where he's really good at being a dynamic public speaker and delivering his ideas with confidence, combined with the skepticism one has coming from the IF community that some of it is horseshit"
[tangent] ghira says, "though of course they only need to find a fwe who do want them"
[tangent] Rob says, "but I really enjoyed the talk"
[tangent] DavidW says, "I think it was named after a personal hero of his,."
[tangent] Emily says (to Rob), "he's great value"
[tangent] borowski says, "It says something that he admitted failure rather than continue digging a hole."
[tangent] Rob says, "no doubt"
[tangent] Rob says, "yeah it does"
[tangent] Rob says, "of course if he didn't passionately believe in his pursuits what good would he be? so he should be that committed, in a way"
[tangent] Emily says, "he does sometimes do the Smug Socrates thing of asking a pointed question where he is grinning because he thinks he has laid a genius trap for you"
[tangent] Rob says, "heh"
[tangent] Emily says, "and then is startled and confused when people see what the trap is and fail to play the role of interlocutor as he intended"
[tangent] Rob says, "maybe that comes as a result of 20 years of writing interactive dialogue"
[tangent] Emily says (to Rob), "I agree, though I also think he would have been happier and more successful if he had done shorter more incremental projects and remained more engaged with what else was being done"
[tangent] Rob says, "I find that real people never follow the scripts I have in my head for how the conversation was supposed to play out"
[tangent] borowski says, "heh"
[tangent] maga says, "It would certainly seem to follow, Poot"
[tangent] Emily says (to Rob), "yeah, that's annoying of them"
[tangent] borowski says (to Rob), "That's what writing fiction is for."
[tangent] Rob asks, "so how does he fund his research? does he channel speaker fees back into the machine?"
[tangent] Rob says (to borowski), "yeahp"
[tangent] Emily says (to Rob), "well, he's currently doing a second edition of his interactive storytelling book"
[tangent] borowski says, "I had a professor tell me that short stories were about being finally being able to say that witty line that you missed the chance to say in real life."
[tangent] Emily says, "but I had the impression that essentially he's looking for new money sources so as to go forward"
[tangent] Emily says, "people educated him in the concept of Kickstarter"
[tangent] boucher says, "I can't really begrudge him his ambitiousness.  If I were that sort of person, I'd also have to cut down others who try, like Dave."
[tangent] Rob says, "but it's also one of the follies or pathologies I've recognized about being a writer, the temptation to rehearse things in your head, and all this dialogue appears and seems sound, and you forget you're just writing fiction and real conversations aren't as tidy"
[tangent] Emily says, "but also that he probably needed something smaller to Kickstart than "I am going to spend two more decades on Storytron 2""
[tangent] Rob says, "hmm yeah"
[tangent] ghira asks, "has anyone kickstarted something like "I want to finish barcelona cathedral by 2350"?"
[tangent] borowski says (to Rob), "Yeah."
[tangent] Rob says, "yeah basically my takeaway from seeing him in person was 'ok, I can respect this guy'"
[tangent] Emily says (to ghira), "not exactly, though someone did try to kickstart this wild project about building a floating swimming pool in the Hudson river, that New Yorkers could go swim in"
[tangent] boucher says, "Though occasionally I feel sorry for Dave too, and wonder if I should have pledged more support than 'Okay, I wish you success'"
[tangent] Emily says, "that would presumably take millions of dollars' worth of R&D and construction to complete"
[tangent] Emily says, "but they just kickstarted "phase one" to start with, or something like that"
[tangent] ghira says (to emily), "ah hmm."
[tangent] ghira says, "(maybe I can finally corner the world market in xenon and build a xenon swimming pool)"
[tangent] Rob says, "noble"
[tangent] boucher says, "Ha"
[tangent] ghira says, "I read about it in a magazine decades ago. compress xenon to 50 atmospheres, add 0.5% oxygen and you can swim in it and breathe it"
[tangent] Rob asks, "breathe it?"
[tangent] ghira says, "ok, decompression, needing the entire world's xenon supply, ..."
[tangent] ghira says (to rob), "with 0.5% oxygen at 50 atmospheres, yes"
[tangent] ghira says, "it stays a gas but has a density over 1"
[tangent] Rob says, "wow weird"
[tangent] ghira says, "hence breathable swimming medium"
[tangent] BrenBarn asks, "how do you keep it at 50 atmospheres while you swim?"
[tangent] ghira says, "pressure vessel"
[tangent] BrenBarn asks, "but won't that smash you the swimmer?"
[tangent] ghira says, "and your visitors clearly need to decompress afterwards"
[tangent] ghira says, "deep sea divers manage it"
[tangent] Rob says, "there must be some billionaire who wants to do this"
[tangent] ghira says (to rob), "you'd think so"
[tangent] Olly says, "It would provide insight into what it is like to be a fish."
Rob it's almost james cameron territory but he's interested in more than taking a dip
Rob says, "oops"
[tangent] Tale asks, "Why aren't there cybergills in real life yet?"
[tangent] Olly asks, "Not enough money for R&D?"
Rob says, "ok, off again"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.