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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> So you're like, "Wow, this book comes with an onion!"
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday schep!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, jpt, Jon, Bishop, marc, GDorn, Ryan, Allen, baf, Dave, McMartin, annabianca, Psmith, lpsmith, Jacqueline, Recchi, DorianX, zaphod, ghira, Marktwo, Matthew, BrenBarn, vimes, DavidW, Whizzard, boucher, Ellison, vaporware, borowski, Gunther, Oren
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 4578 lines from recent channels:
[DustWorld]/21:21 DavidW asks (of inky), "oh c'mon. How often do guys buy new underwear for themselves?"
[DustWorld]|21:22 BrenBarn says, "when the old ones get too small"
[DustWorld]|21:22 Jota exclaims (at boucher), "So it's a good thing you kept the old underpants!"
[DustWorld]|21:22 boucher says, "But in the past, there was a time when my size was increasing"
[craft]|21:22 dto says, "to be honest it was probably bidirectional influence."
[books]|21:23 inky says, "well yeah but -- hmm"
[books]|21:23 inky says, "er"
[DustWorld]|21:23 inky says, "well yeah but -- hmm"
[DustWorld]|21:23 boucher says, "Yeah, sorry to say, after a few encounters with overly restrictive underwear, I ridded myself of all of them.  But that's fine, as I would probably have worn them out simply by angrily tossing them aside by now."
[DustWorld]|21:23 inky says, "I was going to claim that if you are getting fatter around the waist it shouldn't make them tighter at the crotch, but I guess it actually does"
[DustWorld]|21:23 inky says, "ha ha"
[DustWorld]|21:23 BrenBarn says, "when the going gets fat, the fat go commando"
[DustWorld]|21:23 inky says, "being angrily tossed aside puts a lot of wear and tear on a thing"
[DustWorld]|21:24 vimes says, "hm, i buy (some) new underwear every year, i think"
[DustWorld]|21:24 boucher says, "Aw man, I became instantly sad."
[DustWorld]|21:24 vimes says, "most of my clothing is on about a 3-to-5-year rotation"
[books]|21:25 Allen says, "ok, typed in a favorite part of the Orlando Furioso, following up on pastebomb"
[grief]|21:25 boucher says, "My (recently deceased) grandmother always bought me new socks and underwear for Christmas, because it was easy and because I actually appreciated them.  Now...I guess I'll have to take care of that on my own."
[DustWorld]|21:25 Jota says, "I always intend to buy a whole bunch of underwear at once, but find that whenever I go, the store only has a couple of packs in the exact size/style/color I want."
[DustWorld]|21:25 vimes says (to Jota), "this is why ordering from the internet is great"
[DustWorld]|21:25 Jota says, "So I either end up with a bunch of underwear I don't like that'll last me a long time or a little bit of underwear I do like that won't last me as long."
[DustWorld]|21:26 Jota says (to vimes), "Hmm."
[pastebomb]|21:26 Allen says, "typed in attempted-rape scene by a lecherous hermit who blows sleeping powder into a virtuous disguised female knight who has tricked her muslim compatriots into thinking she's a male knight"
[DustWorld]|21:26 inky says, "but then when civilization collapses he won't know how to get new underwear"
[pastebomb]|21:26 inky blinks
[pastebomb]|21:26 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[DustWorld]|21:26 Jota says, "I don't think I've ever thought of Internet underpants before."
[pastebomb]|21:26 Allen says, "this is a knight on the coast of france"
[DustWorld]|21:26 inky says, "eundies.com"
[pastebomb]|21:26 Allen says, "er, hermit"
[DustWorld]|21:26 inky asks, "has 'e' just gone away as a prefix for internet stuff these days?"
[DustWorld]|21:26 vimes says, "fastcrotchcoveringsonline.com"
[pastebomb]|21:26 Allen says, "her hippogriff got changed by a magical spell and didn't go where she wanted"
[DustWorld]|21:26 BrenBarn says, "ha ha, now I'm imagining a Mad Max postapocalyptic society where underpants are the precious commodity that people fight over"
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | She sinks into a swoon and then he can
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | take liberties, touching, caressing, and feeling her up.
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | He has her at least in his power, and this bad man
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | can proceed how and where he wishes. Ah, but his grope
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | exceeds his reach, or to put it more plainly than
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | propriety might approve, he is limp as a rope.
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | His aged body betrays him now as if it
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | were somehow in cahoots with this sleeping twit.
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen |
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | This dog won't hunt, this horse won't jump. You get
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | the general drift. However, he keeps on trying
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | but the fire won't burn, the kindling is wet,
[pastebomb]|21:27 Allen | and the faint glow of the ember is weak and dying.
[DustWorld]|21:27 Jota says, "I think it still has some small usage for electronic versions of non-electronic things."
[DustWorld]|21:27 inky says, "I guess maybe now it would be like undr.com"
[DustWorld]|21:27 Jota says, "Like ebooks and email."
[DustWorld]|21:27 inky says (to BrenBarn), "whoah"
[DustWorld]|21:27 inky says, "hannah and mamster and I saw an improv group last week and one of the sketches they did was on that very subject"
[DustWorld]|21:27 Jota says, "Underwear is one of the valuable supplies you can collect in Zombies, Run!."
[DustWorld]|21:27 BrenBarn says, "wow"
[pastebomb]|21:28 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[pastebomb]|21:28 inky says, "this translation is crazy"
[shoes]|21:29 * BrenBarn has joined the channel.
[shoes]|21:29 BrenBarn says, "speaking of getting new clothes, one of my shoes got a hole in it"
[shoes]|21:29 vimes says, "ah, man"
[shoes]|21:29 BrenBarn says, "this kind of bums me out because the shoes are only a year old"
[pastebomb]|21:29 Allen says, "it's a lot of fun. I've been reading a canto a week, or so"
[DustWorld]|21:29 boucher says, "They say people don't believe in underwear anymore. Well damn them! You and me, Max, we're gonna give them back their underwear!"
[shoes]|21:29 vimes says, "you know, i've never had shoes that lasted more than about a year and a half"
[shoes]|21:29 Jota asks, "Are you going to have them cobbled?"
[shoes]|21:29 BrenBarn says, "it might be fixable though"
[DustWorld]|21:29 BrenBarn says, "two balls enter. . ."
[DustWorld]|21:29 Jota asks, "Wait, is this from Mad Max or Sam and Max?"
[DustWorld]|21:30 inky says, "ha ha"
[shoes]|21:30 Allen asks, "fixable? What is this, 1798?"
[DustWorld]|21:30 DavidW asks, "wait, wait, the future is commando?"
[DustWorld]|21:30 vimes says, "ha ha"
[DustWorld]|21:30 Jota says, "Because that quote definitely sounds like the latter."
[DustWorld]|21:30 (from inky) DavidW says "victory at last!"
[shoes]|21:30 inky says, "the only thing we fix these days are our cats"
[DustWorld]|21:30 Jota says, "Some of us still fix our font widths."
[shoes]|21:30 vimes says, "you can fix your cats, and you can fix your friends' shoes, but you can't fix your friend's cats with a shoe"
[shoes]|21:30 BrenBarn says, "it's true the main thing I was wondering is whether it's worth it to get them repaired"
[DustWorld]|21:30 DavidW says (to inky), "Actually, I'm in favour of underwear underneath one's pants or shorts."
[shoes]|21:30 Allen asks (of inky), "why are they still broken??"
[shoes]|21:31 Allen says, "this one squeaks all the time"
[DustWorld]|21:31 Jota asks, "What about elsewhere?"
[shoes]|21:31 DorianX says, "There used to be a shoe repair joint in the Shiny New Mall when I was growing up"
[shoes]|21:31 inky says, "ha ha"
[shoes]|21:31 DorianX says, "I don't know if it's there any more"
[shoes]|21:31 DorianX says, "The mall is now really ghetto."
[shoes]|21:31 inky says, "a little wd-40 and that cat of yours will be running good as new"
[shoes]|21:31 Allen says, "that's a weird mall"
[DustWorld]|21:31 DavidW says, "You may do without underwear under a kilt."
[shoes]|21:31 inky says, "purring along nicely"
[shoes]|21:31 vimes says, "man, our cats squeak ALL THE TIME and it never occurred to me to try actual grease"
[DustWorld]|21:31 Jota asks, "How about atop one's pants? Or one's head? Or one's lampshade?"
[DustWorld]|21:31 DavidW says, "Under skirts, underwear is necessary."
[shoes]|21:32 BrenBarn says, "also the thing is I only ever really have one pair of shoes I use, so I'd have to dig up some old pair to wear while getting these ones repaired"
[DustWorld]|21:32 DavidW says (to Jota), "Non-typical uses for underwear are an exercise for the reader."
[shoes]|21:33 inky says, "I was going to ask about different shoes for different weather, but I guess you don't have different weather there"
[DustWorld]|21:33 boucher says, "'Today, we meet Samuel Melonmeyer, the most modest man in existence, who has elected to have underwear implanted under his skin, so he will never need to feel naked again....'"
[shoes]|21:33 BrenBarn says, "yeah, not really"
[shoes]|21:34 BrenBarn says, "I mean, my shoes are more cold-weather tolerant than what most people wear around here (e.g., flip flops)"
[shoes]|21:34 inky says, "heh"
[shoes]|21:34 inky says, "you could get some flip flops to wear"
[shoes]|21:34 BrenBarn says, "I hate flip flops"
[shoes]|21:34 inky says, "or you could wrap newspapers around your feet"
[shoes]|21:35 BrenBarn says, "rags around the feet, 5 miles there and 10 miles back, uphill both ways"
[shoes]|21:35 Allen says, "yeah, I have one pair of shoes too."
[DustWorld]|21:35 DavidW asks, "That's kinda one idea about tattooes, isn't it? Naked but still covered?"
[shoes]|21:35 Allen says, "and, last year, mine were kinda stinking. They were about 3 years old"
[DustWorld]|21:36 inky says, "I've never heard that before but it's interesting"
[shoes]|21:36 vimes says, "i have three pairs: my current pair, the worn out pair that i keep in case of emergencies or automatic litter box hosing out needs, and the nice pair that i wear three times a year"
[shoes]|21:36 Allen asks, "so first, I tried putting salt in them. Lots of salt. Salt kills things like stinky bacteria, right?"
[shoes]|21:36 Allen says, "that didn't work. And then I read sticking them in the oven at around 150 kills the bacteria, but I was going out that night with friends, so I decided to speed things up by sticking them in the microwave"
[shoes]|21:36 BrenBarn says, "salt in your shoes?  that is odd"
[health]|21:37 DorianX asks, "Hey, why is my perscription drug plan no longer paying for PPIs?"
[shoes]|21:37 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[shoes]|21:37 (from vimes) Allen says, "That didn't work, so I put sugar in them.  Then I soaked them in vinegar.  Then I boiled them.  My shoes are still gross, but I have some really great bbq sauce now."
[shoes]|21:37 BrenBarn says, "ha ha ha"
[shoes]|21:37 Allen says, "they warped horribly."
[shoes]|21:37 Allen says, "unwearably"
[shoes]|21:37 Allen says, "I had to stay at home, and then go to the shoe store in my socks"
[shoes]|21:37 inky says, "ha ha"
[shoes]|21:37 inky says, "this story is awesome"
[shoes]|21:37 boucher says, "Heh"
[shoes]|21:37 (from inky) Allen says "Really? For me it socks"
[shoes]|21:37 BrenBarn says, "I bet when you go to the shoe store in your socks they charge you extra because they can tell you're desperate"
[shoes]|21:38 BrenBarn says, "hooray"
[shoes]|21:38 BrenBarn asks, "what do you suppose someone would charge to repair a little hole in a leather shoe?"
[shoes]|21:38 Jota asks, "Are we counting both sneakers and regular shoes as shoes?"
[shoes]|21:39 boucher says, "I've had recent trouble finding shoes...feet were already large, now swell variably.  The shoes stores I've been to, even specialty ones, literally do not have shoes large enough for me."
[shoes]|21:39 Jota says (to BrB), "A toe."
[shoes]|21:39 vimes says, "if by 'regular shoes' you mean 'shoes that aren't sneakers', yes"
[shoes]|21:39 vimes says (to boucher), "zappos.com"
[shoes]|21:39 vimes says, "you can also buy underwear there these days, i think"
[shoes]|21:40 boucher says (to vimes), "I would be willing to bet they don't even have shoes large enough.  But I couldn't tell unless they measured me."
[shoes]|21:40 Jota says, "I have a usual pair of shoes, a usual pair of sneakers, a pair of nice shoes I never wear, a pair of falling-apart sneakers that I never wear, and a pair of winter boots. I guess this is kind of a lot."
[shoes]|21:40 vimes asks, "how large a shoe do you need?"
[shoes]|21:40 Allen says, "have a classic she recording to share with everyone (moral: modern shoe corporations suck)"
[shoes]|21:40 inky says, "zappos you can always return stuff to, but it's a hassle"
[shoes]|21:40 Jota asks (of vimes), "Do you recall the little old lady with too many children?"
[shoes]|21:40 Allen says, "classic she? classic shoe"
[shoes]|21:40 Allen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWByzBW2yug
[shoes]|21:41 boucher asks, "Which of the 38 dimensions of the human foot do you want?"
[shoes]|21:41 BrenBarn asks, "how are sneakers not shoes?"
[shoes]|21:41 Allen says, "this is really good music. Really good AMERICAN music."
[shoes]|21:41 Jota says (to BrB), "Only in that there isn't a separate word to refer to regular non-sneaker, non-boot shoes, so the word 'shoe' is often used for that purpose."
[shoes]|21:42 vimes says (to boucher), "well, you can get a size 21 shoe at zappos, which would probably work for you if you stuffed a sock or two in the toes"
[shoes]|21:42 BrenBarn says, "to me a sneaker is a normal shoe"
[shoes]|21:42 boucher says, "Let me start with my cross-metatarsal circumference."
[shoes]|21:42 BrenBarn asks, "I'm not even sure what you mean by non-sneaker shoes.  Like dress shoes?"
[shoes]|21:42 boucher says, "Or rather, let me not."
[shoes]|21:42 Allen says, "like elf-made shoes"
[shoes]|21:42 vimes asks, "loafers, boat shoes, et cetera?"
[shoes]|21:42 inky asks (of Alen), "what does this have to do with shoes?"
[shoes]|21:42 inky says, "er, ..Allen"
[shoes]|21:42 boucher says, "Online shopping is pretty useless to a person like me"
[shoes]|21:43 inky says, "except they're called the tar heels"
[shoes]|21:43 Jota says (to BrB), "I wear shoes to work that aren't sneakers or dress shoes."
[shoes]|21:43 Allen says (to inky), "they made shoes with peg & awl."
[shoes]|21:43 BrenBarn says (to vimes), "sure, there are lots of those kinds of shoes, but each of those is as much a type of shoes as sneakers, so separating shoes into sneakers and non-sneakers seems like an odd way to do it"
[shoes]|21:43 boucher says, "I've determined at this point that my best option is to save up a few thousand dollars and have a shoe custom-made."
[shoes]|21:43 Allen says, "and then, in 1804, corporate industrialists like Mitt Romney invented a machine that made 100 shoes to the 1 of the singer"
[shoes]|21:43 BrenBarn says (to Jota), "I guess maybe my shoes also fall into the category of shoe you're describing"
[shoes]|21:44 inky says, "there's stuff like this: http://www.eccousa.com/shoes/mens/casual/walker-2.0-tie/2709/detail.aspx "
[shoes]|21:44 BrenBarn says, "yeah, I was going to suggest 'casual shoes' as a name, but I guess that is not a helpful name"
[shoes]|21:44 Allen says, "there should be a shoe equivalent to "slacks""
[shoes]|21:45 inky says, "shacks"
[shoes]|21:45 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[shoes]|21:45 inky says, "or shocks, I guess"
[shoes]|21:45 Jota says, "I was thinking sloes."
[shoes]|21:45 Jota says, "But I see inky and I are going in different directions here."
[shoes]|21:45 inky says, "hee hee"
[shoes]|21:45 Allen says, "shocks? No way. Hold on, I have a picture of shocks, and they're not casual"
[shoes]|21:46 inky says, "it's interesting that both 'slacks' and 'loafers' involve lazing around"
[lounge]|21:47 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|21:47 * borowski has connected.
[shoes]|21:47 Allen says, "now THIS is a pair of shocks: http://imgur.com/ENPXb "
[shoes]|21:47 inky says, "good lod"
[shoes]|21:47 inky says, "er, lord"
[health]|21:47 vaporware asks, "Personal Parachute Insurance?"
[health]|21:48 vaporware asks, "Panther-Poking Instruments?"
[facebook]|21:48 boucher says, "My mother just came into my room to tell me that Mark Zuckerberg is an ass."
[shoes]|21:48 BrenBarn says, "the irritating thing is whenever it's time to get new shoes they never have the kind I bought last time"
[shoes]|21:48 BrenBarn says, "so I have to hunt through all the new ones with new names looking for the one most similar to what I had"
[shoes]|21:48 Allen says (to BrenBarn), "yeah, so you actually have to try them on"
[shoes]|21:48 Allen says, "so see if they fit right"
[facebook]|21:48 boucher says, "I asked 'Oh no, what's he done now?' before I realized she'd been watching The Social Network on TV"
[shoes]|21:49 BrenBarn says, "yeah"
[shoes]|21:49 Jota says, "I was lucky that the last time I bought shoes, the actually did have the kind I got last time."
[shoes]|21:49 BrenBarn says, "the last couple pairs I've ordered online, that worked out okay"
[shoes]|21:49 Jota says, "But I'm not expecting to be that lucky this time."
[shoes]|21:49 BrenBarn says, "oh wait, they DO have the same-named type on amazon"
[shoes]|21:49 Jota says, "(I need new shoes again, but have been putting it off.)"
[shoes]|21:50 Doug asks, "why is this channel name capitalized?"
[shoes]|21:50 Jota says, "Because it was originally a channel about a story about the holocaust."
[lounge]|21:50 borowski says, "Evening"
[shoes]|21:50 Doug asks, "was that a Godwin?"
[shoes]|21:50 * genericgeekgirl has joined the channel.
[shoes]|21:51 Jota says, " http://ifdb.tads.org/viewgame?id=zy2o84xckwqgdn2l "
[shoes]|21:52 Allen says, "a friend at the Toot had on a cool pair of sandals with straps behind the heel and going up on the calf, but they were all plastic and looked easy to put on. I'd consider those"
[shoes]|21:52 Allen says, "but I asked him and he said they were great, but cost $150"
[workplace]|21:53 vaporware says, "One more day of working on iOS. That's all, they tell me."
[shoes]|21:53 Allen says, "damn it, why do we have orphans in southeast asia if they can't make great shoes for under $30"
[shoes]|21:53 * borowski has joined the channel.
[workplace]|21:53 vaporware says, "Just in time, because if I have to do it for another 9 hours I'm gonna start throwing things."
[shoes]|21:54 * inky has renamed the channel from #misc/apparel/Shoes to #misc/apparel/shoes.
[workplace]|21:54 Doug says, "that sucks"
[shoes]|21:54 Doug asks, "Why isn't this channel name capitalized?"
[shoes]|21:54 * inky has changed the topic to: Made for walking, ogling, tripping, etc.
[shoes]|21:54 inky says (to Doug), "we're still working with the VCs"
[shoes]|21:55 Doug says, "nice"
[shoes]|21:55 Jota says, "Whoa, you just totally changed color right before my eyes."
[workplace]|21:56 Doug says, "I wish I'd had the energy (and patience) to really look for an open-source job"
[shoes]|21:56 inky says, "arguably the channel code should be case-insensitive but it probably doesn't come up enough to be worth it"
[movie]|21:56 borowski asks, "I just saw Bernie.  It was interesting, but I ate too much popcorn.  Why must it be so delicious?"
[workplace]|21:56 inky asks, "did you apply to mozilla?"
[workplace]|21:56 Doug says, "no"
[workplace]|21:57 Doug says, "one of the things I didn't have energy for was moving"
[shoes]|21:58 Allen asks, "ARG why is this lowercase now?"
[shoes]|21:58 Doug says, "haha"
[workplace]|21:59 inky says, "I thought they let you work remotely"
[shoes]|21:59 boucher says (to inky), "Thank you for exposing a rare bug in the ifMUD client related to someone changing the capitalization but not spelling of a channel I'm currently on."
[workplace]|21:59 Doug says, "who, Mozilla?  hm, maybe"
[shoes]|21:59 boucher says, "ifMUD client I'm writing*"
[shoes]|21:59 inky says, "ha ha"
[shoes]|21:59 Doug says, "yay"
[craft]|21:59 dto says, "i decided to finish Valisade as a short story and release it and get feedback, thus rendering the rules question moot"
[shoes]|21:59 Doug says, "glad my OCD helped someone"
[craft]|22:00 dto says, "i'll write another story for the comp."
[craft]|22:04 Firion asks, "Short story?"
[shoes]|22:04 Jota says (to inky), "Wait, the channel code is case-insensitive."
[craft]|22:05 Jota says, ",,Firion A work of prose fiction shorter than a novella."
[craft]|22:07 Firion says, "Didn't know it applied to IF also"
[craft]|22:07 dto asks, "yeah aren't there short IF works?"
[craft]|22:07 dto says, "sorry, i'm a newcomer to the modern IF community. i haven't played them extensively since childhood"
[shoes]|22:09 inky asks, "it is?"
[craft]|22:09 dto says, "yeah i'm thinking something that takes 30-45 minutes to finish"
[shoes]|22:09 inky says, "sorry, I mean, the channel-coloring code in tf"
[music-theory]|22:11 DavidW asks, "So, what should I know about 'so here's my number, so call me maybe'?"
[personals]|22:12 borowski | You treated me to BOJANGLEs
[music-theory]|22:12 inky says, "ha ha"
[music-theory]|22:12 inky says, "it's catchy"
[personals]|22:13 borowski says, "That'll make a great story for the grandchildren."
[candy]|22:15 Jota says, "Huh, Lik-M-Aid is now called Fun Dip."
[shoes]|22:16 Jota says, "Oh."
[rpg]|22:16 genericgeekgirl says, " http://boingboing.net/2012/06/23/if-dungeons-and-dragons-cartoo.html "
[rpg]|22:18 borowski says, "Ha"
[rpg]|22:18 borowski says, "I haven't seen the cartoon before."
[lounge]|22:20 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[rpg]|22:21 Doug says, "yaay"
[rpg]|22:22 borowski | Suddenly! *rolls dice* Nothing happens.
[rpg]|22:24 Doug says, "I YELL AT THE DOOR."
[rpg]|22:27 borowski says, "haha"
[lounge]|22:28 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|22:28 * Hugo has disconnected.
[lounge]|22:35 Hugo was a virgin, though few people knew.
[lounge]|22:44 Whizzard goes to hamstring some zombies.
[lounge]|22:44 * Whizzard has disconnected.
[health]|22:47 DorianX says, "belated, Prion Pump Inhibitors"
[health]|22:49 boucher asks, "Those are generally OTC now, right?"
[health]|22:49 boucher says, "That's a common reason."
[health]|22:50 boucher says, "Also, you mean Proton Pump Inhibitors, unless you mean the medication that will be invented in 2028 to stop the progression of Mad Cow Disease."
[lounge]|22:50 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|22:50 Olly says, "Hello, MUDlings."
[lounge]|22:51 borowski says, "Hi Olly"
[ollyprattle]|22:52 Olly says, "I done did doings today."
[ollyprattle]|22:52 Jota says, "That sounds like a euphemism for potty training."
[health]|22:52 vaporware asks, "Ah, reflux medication?"
[health]|22:53 boucher says, "I had decent success with them"
[health]|22:53 vaporware says, "Yeah, I use omeprazole."
[health]|22:53 Jota asks, "Does this have anything to do with ghost busting?"
[health]|22:54 boucher says, "I also did okay with H2-antagonists"
[health]|22:54 borowski says, "I think Proton pack inhibitors are what ghosts use to keep from being caught."
[health]|22:54 vaporware says, "I don't think mine is anything I can't get OTC, but insurance will cover it and it goes to my deductible that way."
[ollyprattle]|22:54 borowski asks, "Doings done you did?"
[health]|22:55 vaporware says (to boucher), "I used to take ranitidine but it had... side effects."
[health]|22:55 boucher says, "Just remember, when on PPI's, don't cross the beans."
[ollyprattle]|22:55 Olly says, "I washed dishes, went through my food storage containers, and eliminated some of the boxes still remaining from my move."
[lounge]|22:56 Whizzard likes you, yeah he likes you, and you can see his name now if you type "who".
[whiz-games]|22:57 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]|22:57 Whizzard exclaims, "Yes! My last 2 FSA minis arrived!"
[lounge]|22:57 Olly says, "Hello, Whizzard."
[lounge]|22:57 Whizzard says, "howdy"
[ollyprattle]|22:57 Olly says, "I took out the trash, too."
[health]|22:57 boucher says, "I believe...if I interpret your ellipses correctly...that I had similar displeasure over SSRIs."
[health]|22:58 boucher says, "For over a year after I quit."
[health]|22:58 vaporware says, "Hmm, never heard of that particular... side effect... with SSRIs but Google tells me it's a thing."
[health]|22:58 boucher says, "Dead below the waist, as it were"
[health]|22:58 vaporware says, "Not that one."
[health]|22:59 boucher asks, "Ah, did you...develop in the chest area?"
[health]|23:00 borowski says, "Some many... interesting side effects."
[health]|23:00 vaporware says, "Not that either. Man, sounds like I quit the ranitidine just in time."
[health]|23:00 borowski says, "s/so/some"
[health]|23:00 vaporware asks, "Someme?"
[health]|23:00 borowski says, "err"
[lounge]|23:00 Duodave? C'est pas vrai! [French expletive]!
[health]|23:00 Olly says (to vaporware), "Yep, just before you started to turn into a girl."
[health]|23:00 borowski says, "s/some/so"
[lounge]|23:00 Duodave says, "hi"
[health]|23:01 vaporware says, "Let's just say I was a little overproductive below the waist. In a way that one might have mistaken for cholera."
[health]|23:01 boucher says, "Heh, seriously.  You're just trying to cure an ulcer and stop being depressed...the next think you know, you're impotent, have man-breasts, and are tweaking out like you're on (the bad kind of) drugs."
[lounge]|23:01 Olly says, "Hello, Duodave."
[health]|23:02 boucher says, "Yeah, so many things I've done and that have been done to me have had intestinal consequences..."
[health]|23:03 boucher says, "It was pretty comical when I was in the rehab facility...because I'm on heavy opiates, they were worried about constipation..."
[dinner]|23:03 Duodave says, "mmm leftovers"
[juxtaposition]|23:03 Olly says, "Oh dear."
[juxtaposition]|23:03 vaporware says, "ha"
[health]|23:04 boucher says, "So they always wanted a clear account of when I went.  Of course, nurses got distracted, forgot to write things down, next thing I know, a nurse is forcing a bottle of Milk of Magnesia in my face and screaming, 'OMG, you haven't had a bowel movement in two weeks!!!'"
[health]|23:04 Duodave says, "i hear you boucher... my doc asked me a similar question"
[health]|23:04 boucher says, "I credit my regularity to a steady diet of fruits and vegetables, plus some decent multigrain bread when I can remember."
[health]|23:04 Duodave says, "but i am on drugs that have the opposite effect, so taking narcotics actually helps"
[juxtaposition]|23:04 vaporware says, "Speaking of which, time to pick up a prescription."
[juxtaposition]|23:05 vaporware says, "ilac but that works too."
[lounge]|23:05 vaporware vows never to return again, as he leads a rumba line out of the lounge after setting the place on fire.
[health]|23:05 boucher says, "And yes, I was actually a bit on the fast and soft side before I started taking them"
[health]|23:05 boucher says, "So now I'm pretty well balanced out."
[lounge]|23:06 Duodave asks, "is zarf around?"
[getlamp]|23:07 Duodave says, "watched zarf's interview today, pretty awesome"
[lounge]|23:07 borowski says, "He's more of a square."
[lounge]|23:07 Duodave says, "he reminds me of someone i grew up with"
[lounge]|23:08 Olly says (to ouroboroski), "No way.  zarf is very cool."
[lounge]|23:09 Duodave says, "I grew up with this guy named ethan.. everything he said was way over my head"
[lounge]|23:09 Doug asks, "Was he very tall?"
[lounge]|23:10 Duodave says, "he majored in history because it interested him and he had all the computer job offers he wanted"
[books]|23:10 Allen says, "woo! | Please inquire for special  OMI price"
[lounge]|23:10 Duodave says, "no hes not tall"
[books]|23:10 Allen | http://www.omifacsimiles.com/brochures/montchen.html
[lounge]|23:10 Doug says, "(that was a joke... nevermind)"
[books]|23:10 Allen says, "I would love this book"
[lounge]|23:10 Duodave says, "but his hair is long, to his waist"
[lounge]|23:10 borowski says (to Olly), "You're right. He's really a tesseract."
[lounge]|23:10 Olly picks puns out of their teeth.
[lounge]|23:11 Duodave says, "i asked him once why he lets his hair get so long and he said "because I can"
[lounge]|23:11 Allen says, "the problem with long hair is the time it takes to dry, in a humid area"
[lounge]|23:12 Duodave says, "that must be why he spent so much time in antarctica, it"
[lounge]|23:12 Olly says, "Mine took a long time to dry in a desert."
[lounge]|23:12 Allen says, "if I were in the high rockies in california, I'd be happy with really long hair"
[lounge]|23:12 Duodave says, "it's a desert"
[lounge]|23:12 Allen says, "er, california, utah, colorado"
[lounge]|23:13 boucher: is he in the lounge or not?   Yes [ ]   No  [ ]
[lounge]|23:13 (From boucher) (This poll (c) 2012 by cnn.com)
[lounge]|23:13 Allen says, "here in Texas, I can't stand my hair to be wet an hour after I take a bath. So I keep it short"
[lounge]|23:13 Duodave says, "come to think of it when i lived in florida he visited me and swam in our pool, never heard him complain about his hair drying"
[lounge]|23:14 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|23:14 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|23:14 Allen says, "my standard of when to cut my hair is a combination of when-it-gets-in-my-eyes and how-long-it-takes-to-dry"
[getlamp]|23:14 Duodave says, "it's weird watching these interviews, you get a mental image of what some people might be like, then to actually see and hear them... its disconcerting"
[lounge]|23:15 Duodave says, "i've taken to spiky hair, so my new standard is I cut it when it no longer stands up"
[lounge]|23:15 Duodave says, "i sort of have this david tennant thing going on right now"
[lounge]|23:16 boucher is back, slightly taller, with gigantic scars on his calves. Will you marry him now?
[lounge]|23:16 BrenBarn says, "I haven't gotten a haircut in a long, long time"
[lounge]|23:16 Allen says, "sounds like too much trouble"
[lounge]|23:16 Olly says, "Sounds good.  Apparently David Tennant is sexy."
[lounge]|23:16 boucher says, "When I used to shower before bed, I'd wake up with what I called 'anime hair'"
[lounge]|23:16 boucher says, "All standing up and spiky"
[lounge]|23:16 Duodave laughs.
[lounge]|23:17 borowski says, "I recently lost about 6 inches of hair.  It was getting miserable in the summer.  Having wet hair felt like being in a sauna."
[lounge]|23:17 Allen says, "I like a morning bath. Very refreshing."
[lounge]|23:17 boucher says, "It'd wilt by midday, but was still cool in a messy sort of way."
[lounge]|23:17 Allen says, "going to work without a bath makes me ... droopy"
[lounge]|23:17 Duodave says, "i'm due for a trim"
[lounge]|23:17 Olly says, "More elipses."
[lounge]|23:17 boucher says, "I have not had my hair cut, nor shaved, in nearly 15 years."
[lounge]|23:18 boucher says, "Some people are even envious of my look"
[lounge]|23:18 Duodave asks, "why do they call them elipses when there's nothing eliptical about them?"
[lounge]|23:18 borowski says, "A droopy Allen is ... less than desirable."
[lounge]|23:18 boucher says, "A nurse at the facility where I got rehab kept threatening to braid my beard."
[lounge]|23:19 Allen says (to boucher), "I have a friend who hasn't had his hair cut or shaves in about 25 years. e moved to Ouray, colorado, and now in the summer, tourists point at him and think he's an ancient mountain man"
[lounge]|23:19 Olly asks, "And put ornaments in it?"
[lounge]|23:19 boucher says, "Never got around to it, but there was something about my beard that must have been braidable to her."
[lounge]|23:19 jenrexrode goes live
[lounge]|23:20 Allen says, "he was one of the founders of the Dallas UNIX club in the 70s, and is a very talented developer. He just likes colorado a lot"
[lounge]|23:20 Duodave says, "my nephew just posted a picture of taking his son to his first haircut, but then his facebook friends teased him about having pictures of his last haircut, because my nephew is follically challenged"
[lounge]|23:20 Allen says, "picture of him! http://vdgsa.org/img/conc05/k06.jpg "
[books]|23:20 jenrexrode asks, "is there a 1001 Nights that's less that $600?"
[lounge]|23:20 boucher says, "They naturally trim themselves through normal wear and tear.  A bit comes out here, a little sheds there.  Some in my brush, some in the drain...they aren't really growing any longer any more, nor getting significantly thicker."
[lounge]|23:21 Allen says, "he's also a very talented viol player"
[MacOS]|23:21 Doug says, "is there a way to close the lid of my macbook without it going to sleep?  i.e. without cutting off the wifi connection"
[books]|23:21 Allen says, "what, that's 70 cents per night"
[lounge]|23:21 borowski | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-06-24/
[books]|23:21 Allen says, "you can't get that at a motel 6"
[lounge]|23:21 boucher says, "Not quite me.  But not far from me."
[books]|23:21 BrenBarn says, "what are you talking about"
[lounge]|23:21 boucher says, " https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3434046/mesmaller.jpg "
[lounge]|23:22 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[books]|23:22 jenrexrode says, "I looked for that malcolm lyons, and it took me to Amazon hardcover for $665 used"
[lounge]|23:22 Allen asks (of boucher), "wow, dark beard, and grey hair?"
[lounge]|23:22 borowski says (to boucher), "Nice silver streaks"
[lounge]|23:22 boucher says, "All my most talented professors in college had full beards...I must have been subconsciously emulating them"
[lounge]|23:23 Olly says, "Dilbert used to look different."
[books]|23:23 BrenBarn | http://www.amazon.com/Arabian-Nights-Tales-Penguin-Classics/dp/0140449388/
[lounge]|23:23 Allen says, "my hair is totally gray, and my beard is too, but my moustache area remains dark"
[lounge]|23:23 boucher says, "Yes, it doesn't show perfectly there, but I have a shock of very white hair in the front, compared to much of the rest of my hair."
[lounge]|23:23 boucher says, "It's sort of a...Rogue from X-Men effect or something"
[lounge]|23:23 Amanda arrives from the east.
[lounge]|23:23 borowski says (to Olly), "It's gone through a few stages of evolution."
[lounge]|23:23 jenrexrode says (to Olly), "I think that's Wally"
[lounge]|23:23 Olly says, "Hello, Amanda."
[lounge]|23:23 Duodave says, "here's a pic of my friend ethan http://penguincentral.com/pics/erd/ethan_in_mar95.jpg "
[lounge]|23:24 Amanda says, "Hello"
[lounge]|23:24 Duodave says, "hi"
[lounge]|23:24 Olly says (to jenrexrode), "Yes.  I meant the cartoon as a whole, not the character."
[lounge]|23:24 Allen says, "my hair started going grey in my late teens though"
[lounge]|23:24 borowski says, "I really shouldn't have picked Wally as my role model when I was a kid."
[books]|23:24 jenrexrode says (to BrenBarn), "much better"
[lounge]|23:24 boucher says, "There was an article recently on a theory relating the success of a computer programming language to the amount of facial hair its creator sported."
[lounge]|23:24 Allen says, "yeah, I post that on here"
[lounge]|23:25 Allen says, "posted"
[lounge]|23:25 Olly says (to ouroboroski), "No, you shouldn't."
[lounge]|23:25 Allen says, "it wasn't very convincing"
[lounge]|23:26 boucher says, "Not too, but there's still something to be said for the power of the beard."
[lounge]|23:26 BrenBarn says, "that's been around for a while"
[lounge]|23:26 BrenBarn says, "the best thing about it was where it said 'It has created Larri Wall.  Look what moustaches he has.'"
[lounge]|23:26 Allen asks, "did you see the link I posted a few months ago, about the guy IMPRISONED for wearing a beard?"
[lounge]|23:26 boucher says, "Especially, and note how *excited* the audience gets...I wish I could get this excited about anything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ugjRblo0RI "
[lounge]|23:26 Allen says, "in the early 19th century america"
[MacOS]|23:27 Doug says, "found InsomniaX"
[lounge]|23:27 borowski asks (of Allen), "A particularly offensive beard?"
[lounge]|23:28 Allen says (to borowski), "check out his tombstone: http://www.dyers.org/images/beards/joseph-palmer-grave-close.jpg "
[lounge]|23:28 borowski says (to boucher), "I might be able to get that excited about a beard cage."
[MacOS]|23:28 Doug says, "yay, I stayed connected"
[lounge]|23:28 Allen | He was described as a kind and tolerant man, but life was not easy for Joseph Palmer after he moved to Fitchburg, Massachusetts in 1830. People would openly insult him, throw rocks at him, regularly break the windows of his home, and even cross the street so as not to be near him when he passed by. Even though he was deeply religious man who regularly attended church services, Palmer was publicly denounced during sermons by his pastor, Rev. George Trask, and even refused communion.
[lounge]|23:29 boucher says, "I guess if you are the sort of person to attend the 1991 National Beard and Moustache Championship, you are already pre-selected for a peculiar mania"
[lounge]|23:29 borowski says, "Holy cow"
[lounge]|23:29 Amanda says, "wow, a working beard door."
[lounge]|23:29 Allen | What awful thing had this small town butcher done to warrant such persecution? Joseph Palmer's crime was that he was the only citizen in Fitchburg, Massachusetts who chose to wear a full beard, which (contrary to my vision of the 1800?s being a beard grower's paradise) had been out of fashion in the United States since the time of the Pilgrims.
[MacOS]|23:29 Doug says, "music paused though. hm."
[lounge]|23:29 borowski asks, "Did they think Jesus regularly went to the barber?"
[lounge]|23:29 Allen | In fact, Palmer was so reviled that in 1830, while walking out of the Old Fitchburg Hotel, he was attacked by four men who attempted to forcefully shave his beard on the grounds that his beard was immoral. Palmer was thrown on the stone stairs, and even though he was a muscular, 200 pound farmer, he was unable to repel the four men and resorted to stabbing two of his assailants in the legs with his jackknife.
[lounge]|23:30 Allen says (to borowski), "actually, yes"
[lounge]|23:30 BrenBarn says, "this is the best"
[lounge]|23:30 Allen says, "disagreement exists about Jesus"
[lounge]|23:30 boucher says, "That reminds me of that Amish terrorist recently."
[lounge]|23:30 BrenBarn | He is buried in Evergreen Cemetery in North Leominster and his grave marker bears a portrait of him bearded with the inscription "Persecuted for Wearing the Beard".
[books]|23:30 jenrexrode says, "huh, I thought I already had a version on 1001 Nights on my amazon wishlist from a LONG time ago, but maybe adding this one pushed the old one out."
[webtv]|23:30 DorianX asks, "Anyone know what The Incident with Spoony was all about?"
[lounge]|23:30 Allen says, "the standard in the roman empire was for elites to be shaved."
[lounge]|23:30 boucher says, "Which used forced shavings as a sort of punishment against people he disagreed with"
[lounge]|23:31 boucher says, "The best part of which was that he had the last name of Mullet."
[books]|23:32 Allen says, "I have 3 translations, I think"
[lounge]|23:32 borowski asks, "So they thought Jesus would have been shorn?"
[books]|23:32 Allen says, "I'd have to check my library. They're pretty diverse in what is actually translated"
[lounge]|23:33 Allen says, "might have been. Disagreement exists whether he would have followed the roman tradition or the rabbincal tradition"
[books]|23:33 BrenBarn says, "yeah"
[lounge]|23:34 Allen says, "but everyone agrees the traditional image is very influenced by renaissance italian portraiture traditions"
[lounge]|23:34 borowski says, "Interesting.  I hadn't thought of Jesus following Roman tradition."
[lounge]|23:34 Olly says, "Classmates of my father's who thought he hair was too long brought sheep shears to school and threatened to hold him down and cut his hair with them, but I don't think they actually tried to."
[lounge]|23:34 Olly says, "*his hair"
[lounge]|23:34 BrenBarn says, "good thing he didn't go to school with Mitt Romeny"
[lounge]|23:34 BrenBarn says, "er, Romeny"
[lounge]|23:34 BrenBarn says, "er, dag"
[lounge]|23:34 BrenBarn says, "Romney"
[lounge]|23:35 Allen says, "dag? No, good thing he didn't have a pet dog and was friends with Obama!!!!!"
[lounge]|23:35 Alex says (to Allen), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that DAG is Directed Acyclic Graph."
[books]|23:35 jenrexrode says, "oh wow, still 3 vols."
[lounge]|23:35 Allen says, "ok, that's tortured"
[lounge]|23:35 Olly says, "I don't think his hair was what we would now call long hair, though."
[lounge]|23:36 borowski says, "I wonder if there is a record of what the fashions were in those days."
[lounge]|23:36 Olly asks, "In the late 1960s?"
[lounge]|23:36 Allen asks, "in Roman times?"
[lounge]|23:37 borowski says, "Yeah, ~30 AD."
[lounge]|23:37 BrenBarn says, "check out back issues of Vogus or Cosmopolitus"
[webtv]|23:37 boucher asks, "Is it not still in recap?"
[lounge]|23:37 Allen says, "the surviving authenticated literature fills about a single library bookcase"
[webtv]|23:38 boucher says, "I guess not.  *sigh*"
[whiz-games]|23:38 Whizzard says, "Minis primed, blue base applied, brass detailing begun."
[lounge]|23:38 borowski says, "I assume they followed the ancient Roman tradition of not wearing white after Labor day."
[whiz-games]|23:38 Whizzard says, "I'll have those done tonight for sure."
[lounge]|23:38 Allen says, "Emily's the one to ask about survival bias of classic literature and what we have available and whatnot"
[webtv]|23:39 DorianX says, "Ah well. Spoony's been kind of a world-class jerk for a while now"
[lounge]|23:39 Allen says, "very very little survives in original form. Must of what we have was copied"
[jendoodle]|23:39 jenrexrode says, "I installed 6 electrical outlets today"
[lounge]|23:39 Duodave says, "copied from copies"
[lounge]|23:39 borowski asks (of Allen), "And was altered in the process?"
[lounge]|23:40 Hugo says, "Some of it shaved, here and there."
[webtv]|23:40 DorianX says, "I am not sure how much of that is the depression and how much is a negative feedback loop"
[lounge]|23:40 Allen says, "not necessarily, but rather you should keep in mind that if it was copied, that people thought it worth copying"
[lounge]|23:40 borowski says, "Ah."
[lounge]|23:40 Duodave says, "but the romans themselves were copiers"
[lounge]|23:40 Amanda says, "I've heard the equivilant of bodice-rippers have been found in roman ruins"
[jendoodle]|23:41 jenrexrode says, "two boxes had 2 sets of wires coming into them, so I had to connect both sets to one outlet."
[lounge]|23:41 Allen says (to Amanda), "sure, the Satyricon"
[lounge]|23:41 Hugo says, "Those Romans sure had specific tools."
[lounge]|23:41 Olly says, "Even without intention to change them, texts can be changed through repeated copying by hand."
[jendoodle]|23:41 jenrexrode says, "two boxes just had 1 set of wires"
[books]|23:41 BrenBarn says, "a lot of the editions are multiple volumes"
[webtv]|23:41 boucher says, "Okay...Spoony made an inappropriate tweet remark to JesuOtaku  'Y'know , if things don't work out with you and @Nash076, I'd be happy to chain you to a pipe in my basement and love you.  My way.'  Probably joking, but it started a shitstorm.  Obscurus Lupa starts the charge, with OMG, rape is not funny.  A bunch of other people pile on, and TGWTG suspends him a bit so Spoony can cool off, reel in the creepiness, and resume"
[webtv]|23:41 inky says, "even our investigation didn't really find a root cause"
[webtv]|23:42 boucher says, "Instead he doubles down and starts slamming fans and critics alike on Twitter like there's no tomorrow"
[jendoodle]|23:42 jenrexrode says, "and one box had one set of wires, but to outlets, so my dad made a jumper for me.  otherwise he had me doing all the work, while he played online poker."
[lounge]|23:42 Hugo says, "My wife just told me I look like Wolverine."
[books]|23:42 BrenBarn says, "there is this Haddawy translation that's supposed to be good that's one volume but, unsurprisingly, that only translates a small number of stories"
[webtv]|23:42 DorianX says, "Yeah."
[lounge]|23:42 borowski says, "IIRC, monks liked to add their own personal touches when copying Old English literature."
[lounge]|23:42 Olly asks, "Do you wear yellow tights?"
[books]|23:43 Allen says, "it's really hard to pin down what constitutes the set of tales"
[lounge]|23:43 borowski asks (of Olly), "Isn't that the MUD dress code?"
[webtv]|23:43 DorianX says, "And, of course, the internet s full of people who are pissed at lupa"
[jendoodle]|23:43 jenrexrode says, "I added all 3 to my wish list."
[webtv]|23:43 DorianX says, "Because zomg women are so oversenitive when you threaten rape"
[webtv]|23:43 inky asks, "is that who broke up with him?"
[lounge]|23:43 Olly says, "I'm not wearing yellow tights."
[webtv]|23:43 inky says, "oh"
[webtv]|23:43 DorianX asks, "So wait, JO and Nash are a thing?"
[jendoodle]|23:43 jenrexrode says, "ilac"
[webtv]|23:43 boucher says, "He seems to have gone into full meltdown...and admittedly, as another has admitted, he isn't without cause.  His breakup with Scarlett, Miles killing a man, a fan messaging him right before suicide...he probably has a reason to feel a bit messed up in the head."
[webtv]|23:43 DorianX says (to inky), "No, that was Scarlett"
[lounge]|23:43 Duodave asks, "how do we know?"
[webtv]|23:43 boucher says, "But he's handling it in entirely the wrong way."
[books]|23:43 Allen says, "also, almost none of the "Arabian Nights" take place in Arabia"
[webtv]|23:44 DorianX asks, "Wait, Miles killed a man?"
[books]|23:44 jenrexrode says, "I added 3 volumes to my wish list, but I'm only going to do anythign with until I have a more normal house."
[webtv]|23:44 boucher says, "He's a sheriff's deputy...was forced to shoot someone in the line of duty."
[books]|23:44 Allen says, "they're often in Baghdad or Persia, if geographical references are made at all"
[webtv]|23:44 DorianX says, "Wow. I had never really imagined Miles as having a grown-up job"
[books]|23:44 BrenBarn says, "the introduction to this edition had a nice definitive statement"
[lounge]|23:44 borowski says (to Olly), "It's OK this time, but the dress code is yellow tights and an angora sweater."
[books]|23:44 Allen says, "and there are tantalizing Indian stories that often mirror many details"
[books]|23:45 BrenBarn | There is no such thing as a canonical text of the Nights with a fixed number of stories in a fixed order.
[webtv]|23:45 boucher says, "Yeah, I'm hoping he's there to catch Spoony as he falls, because lord knows, he's the grownup of the siblings"
[books]|23:45 BrenBarn says, "usually the translations translate one or more particular manuscripts, which are inevitably only a snapshot of a fluctuating mix of oral stories"
[webtv]|23:46 DorianX says, "Yeah. It sounds like he needs to do one of those big dramatic life-changing things"
[webtv]|23:46 boucher says, "Anyhow, now Spoony's fired from TGWTG, virtually sponsorless and friendless, and is not showing any signs of abating his slash and burn of his life."
[lounge]|23:46 inky got credit for creating Common and the concept of money, for generating lots of art and literature, and for being the very best at killing his enemies.
[books]|23:46 Allen says, "oral stories than span the range from renaissance italy to medieval islam to classical india"
[language]|23:46 Olly asks, "What is the difference between "omg" and "zomg"?"
[webtv]|23:47 boucher says, "He's been musing on Twitter, between rampages, about moving elsewhere."
[webtv]|23:47 DorianX says, "Man. A couple of months ago it looked like he was turning it around"
[webtv]|23:47 boucher says, "He may have to, considering that his income situation may be impacted by this crap"
[webtv]|23:47 DorianX says, "Yeah. I saw him mention DC, with our smoking hot women"
[language]|23:47 Allen says, "zomg is only spoke by DAMNED HERETICS"
[webtv]|23:47 DorianX says, "Though I can't imagine he'd be better off here"
[language]|23:47 Olly says, ""Omg" usually is, too."
[jendoodle]|23:47 jenrexrode says, "I think tomorrow, we may work on that hole in the floor of my back room.  The same hole I mention in "who" list"
[language]|23:48 Allen says, "really? I prefer OMgawd"
[webtv]|23:48 DorianX says, "Though Kyle seems like a pretty together guy, so maybe proximity to him might help"
[lounge]|23:48 jenrexrode wanders off.
[lounge]|23:48 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[webtv]|23:48 boucher says, "Yeah, I can't help but feel that creative isolation is a problem..."
[webtv]|23:49 boucher asks, "He lives outside of Phoenix or something, right?"
[webtv]|23:49 DorianX says, "Definatley somewhere in arizona"
[webtv]|23:49 DorianX says, "Not actually sure where exactly"
[language]|23:49 Olly says, "In general, I'm against invoking God carelessly."
[webtv]|23:50 boucher says, "LordKat slammed on him (and sounds like he has some problems himself, even if he proclaims that he's gotten over them), and was bitching that Spoony needs to get some balls and move to Los Angeles"
[webtv]|23:50 boucher says, "Which I think is the worst advice ever."
[webtv]|23:50 boucher says, "LA is a shithole, and the last place to send someone in mental distress."
[webtv]|23:50 DorianX says, "Yeah, what I heard about the Lordkat stuff seemed weird and OTT"
[jendoodle]|23:51 jenrexrode says, "oh, my container is still unlocked"
[webtv]|23:51 boucher says, "There certainly is a lot of professional tension in the arena for them just being guys who screw around and post shit on the web."
[language]|23:51 DavidW says, "I believe the Z of zomg is just an intensifier."
[webtv]|23:51 boucher says, "I mean, I know it's harder than it looks, but it also doesn't need to be as big a deal as it is."
[language]|23:52 Olly says, "Zwow."
[webtv]|23:52 DorianX says, "Also, somehow I did not catch that Doug got married"
[webtv]|23:52 boucher says, "As I mused when I ended my last elaboration of the drama here, it was all so much simpler when it was just laughing at funny videos."
[language]|23:52 Olly says, "That is interesting."
[language]|23:52 DavidW says, "At least, I assume that's what the Z means."
[webtv]|23:53 boucher says, "But then...newsflash, some comedians have damage...shocker."
[language]|23:53 Allen says, "ha ha, early translations simplified:"
[language]|23:53 Allen | Whereas Galland was interested (like his readers) in improving tales of virtue and sentiment in a commercial setting, Lane expounds on costume and burial customs and Burton on the African penis.
[lounge]|23:53 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, deep blue this time of day.
[webtv]|23:53 DorianX says, "(It does not help that it is not always clear what things are real and what things are not. Like Lupa and Phelous being a thing; I thought that was just a running gag like Lindsey stalking Todd)"
[lounge]|23:53 jenrexrode says, "z"
[lounge]|23:53 zarf says, "hey"
[lounge]|23:53 Olly says, "Hello, zarf."
[jendoodle]|23:53 borowski asks (of JRR), "Are you remodeling or building the house?"
[webtv]|23:53 DorianX says, "Basically all of 2011, Spoony's output reeked of anhedonia"
[lounge]|23:54 Olly asks, "Who was it wanted to talk to zarf?"
[lounge]|23:54 borowski says, "Hi zarf"
[jendoodle]|23:54 jenrexrode says, "an addition, so both"
[lounge]|23:54 zarf says, "I talk to myself sometimes"
[lounge]|23:54 Duodave says, "hi zarf"
[webtv]|23:54 boucher says, "Yeah, there's been a lot of debate lately over how much difference there is between 'Real Spoony' and 'Fuck You, I'm Angry Spoony', and whether there was ever a difference in the first place."
[lounge]|23:54 Duodave says, "i watched your interview for get lamp today"
[lounge]|23:54 Duodave says, "it was intriguing"
[webtv]|23:55 DorianX says, "I went back a few months ago and re-watched some of his early stuff, and there is a definate difference"
[jendoodle]|23:55 jenrexrode says, "I had to move back in while it was only mostly finished, and do the rest myself with help"
[lounge]|23:55 DavidW says, "oh yeah, I need to watch more of those. I've only watched my own and Peter Nepstad's in full so far."
[webtv]|23:55 DorianX says, "there is a sense of, for want of a bbetter word, "joy" underwriting his ranting. In his later stuff, it's just hateful"
[language]|23:55 Allen says, "er, #books"
[lounge]|23:55 Duodave says, "dedee's is awesome"
[jendoodle]|23:55 jenrexrode says, "the person who asked if he was around"
[jendoodle]|23:55 jenrexrode says, "ILAL"
[lounge]|23:56 Allen says, "whatever dedee wants, she's gonna get it"
[lounge]|23:56 DavidW asks (of Duodave), "Do you mean Debee Norling?"
[webtv]|23:56 boucher says, "Some have theorized that they were always aspects of the same man, and he let it out in good and creative ways before, then Scarlett's departure set him all off balance, he lost interest in the things that gave him a positive outlet, it built up in other places, then the result is what you see now."
[lounge]|23:56 Olly says (to zarf), "After discussion we decided that you are a hypercube."
[lounge]|23:56 Duodave says, "yeah, sorry, debee, my bad"
[lounge]|23:56 Duodave says, "she plays advent on a really old computer during the interview"
[webtv]|23:57 boucher says, "Some have also said that his Oreo account is creepy and weird and speaks of even deeper, straitjacketable problems"
[lounge]|23:57 DavidW says, "oh cool"
[webtv]|23:57 DorianX says, "Admittedly, I have not read all of Oreo's tweets, bit I think that is a stretch"
[lounge]|23:57 Duodave says, "but the speech synthesizer is super hard to understand"
[lounge]|23:57 zarf says, "I am not a hypercube but I can play one on 3v"
[webtv]|23:57 boucher says, "I see it as somewhat lolcatsy fun, but then he flirts with women via it."
[webtv]|23:57 boucher says, "And that is a little weird, I admit"
[tech]|23:57 jenrexrode says, "novelty $5 USB splitters aren't worth $5"
[lounge]|23:58 Duodave says, "I'm currently trying "change in the weather"
[tech]|23:58 jenrexrode says, "everything I plug into it goes offline and back on all night"
[webtv]|23:58 DorianX says, "Yeah. Basicalluy any interaction with women out of Noah gets creepy"
[lounge]|23:58 Allen says (to duodave), "with hints, I hope"
[webtv]|23:58 boucher says, "Oreo's quest for a new 'mommeh' is really desperate and pathetic and I feel bad, but then squicked, and then I just look away."
[lounge]|23:58 borowski says, "That sounds exactly like something a hypercube would say."
[tech]|23:58 jenrexrode says, "and it doesn't support charging my phone"
[lounge]|23:59 Duodave says, "If i type hint it says "That's not how life works.""
[lounge]|23:59 Olly says (to ouroboroski), "I think a hypercube would say, I'm not a cube but I play one in 3d."
[language]|23:59 DavidW says, "hm. The web says the z in zomg was originally just a typo, someone missing the shift key to type OMG in caps."
[lounge]|23:59 Allen asks, "what was the first game with that reponse?"
[lounge]|00:00 Allen asks, "the 'That's not how life works'?"
[language]|00:00 Olly says, "A bit like pwned."
[webtv]|00:00 boucher says, "It's hard to condemn Noah.  So much of his life has been laid bare for people to examine and criticize.  But he's still in control of a lot of that, and he Just Doesn't Stop."
[lounge]|00:00 Allen says, "personally, I'd prefer "That's now how windmills work.", but hey"
[craft]|00:01 dto says, "hi. i'm so so so enjoying writing IF :)"
[craft]|00:01 dto says, "and I want to play through A Mind Forever Voyaging soon"
[lounge]|00:01 borowski says (to Olly), "heh"
[webtv]|00:01 boucher says, "Some friends tell me I should try and build some net-notoriety.  And I refuse every time."
[craft]|00:02 dto asks, "how is every0one?"
[craft]|00:02 Olly says, "Hi."
[webtv]|00:02 boucher says, "I don't think I want to be even slightly famous, the sort of person a few hundred people pay attention to on a regular basis, never mind getting to the point where I can earn money from it while at the same time having forums on which people argue about what I did."
[tangent]|00:03 borowski says, "During the previews for a movie I saw today, there was a odd bit where Rachel Maddow was talking about how great wind power is."
[craft]|00:03 DavidW says, "I'm feeling a bit glum. Might read a bit."
[tangent]|00:03 Allen says, "wind power is a pretty lame superpower, though"
[tangent]|00:04 borowski says, "The Air Curtain just isn't that effective."
[webtv]|00:04 DorianX says, "Yes. I will pretend that is why I never became net.famous"
[tangent]|00:04 Olly says, "Tornados have wind power."
[tangent]|00:04 Olly says, "They are pretty formidable."
[lounge]|00:04 dto builds the Lounge an airport and a freeway, but he, he, he ain't gonna play Sim City.
[lounge]|00:05 dto says (to olly), "hello :)"
[tangent]|00:05 DavidW says, "Tornados are meanies, though. They don't play well with others."
[lounge]|00:05 Olly says (to dto), "Hello."
[lounge]|00:05 Olly says (to dto), "Pleased to meet you."
[lounge]|00:05 dto says, "i'm testing a new build."
[webtv]|00:05 boucher says, "I think you totally could"
[webtv]|00:05 boucher says, "I mean, your thing sort of seems to have been done, but there's no reason you can't me too"
[lounge]|00:05 dto says (to olly), "you too. I'm Dave, I'm writing my first Inform adventure. i used to write IF in BASIC as a kid :)"
[webtv]|00:05 boucher says, "'DorianX's Esoteric Nostalgia Hour'"
[tangent]|00:05 Allen says, "but they never strike on demand. A tornado superhero... one moment he'd be fighting The Serpent, and he'd just must up a dust devil, at best. Then he'd be dining out at burger king and accidentally wipe out the whole town when he sneezes"
[lounge]|00:05 Olly says, "Wow."
[tangent]|00:06 borowski says, "They are rather mean to have a name that sounds like a snack food."
[webtv]|00:06 boucher says, "Just review something from your childhood everyone else has forgotten, slap a few online and see what happens."
[tangent]|00:06 Olly asks, "?"
[lounge]|00:06 Olly says, "That's some street cred."
[tangent]|00:07 borowski says, "Fritos, Doritos, Tornitos"
[lounge]|00:07 Olly says, "Or bus cred, maybe."
[tangent]|00:07 DavidW says, "I've heard of the first two."
[webtv]|00:07 boucher asks, "I mean, what's the difference from what you do, except you point a camera at yourself a bit and videocap and edit the rest?"
[tangent]|00:07 borowski says (to DavidW), "I made up the last one."
[tangent]|00:07 DavidW says, "ah. That would explain it."
[webtv]|00:07 DorianX says, "I actually think the major impediment for me is that it takes me so damned long to do anything"
[webtv]|00:07 boucher says, "Sure, I make it sound simple, but...well, it kinda is once you get the stuff."
[tangent]|00:08 borowski says (to DavidW), "Sorry that you're feeling crummy."
[lounge]|00:08 Olly says, "("Bus" the computer component.)"
[webtv]|00:08 boucher says, "Maybe I just feel too comfortable with editing video"
[tangent]|00:08 DavidW says, "Next you'll tell me Benito is a snack food."
[lounge]|00:08 Rob comes right on in.
[lounge]|00:08 Olly says, "Hello, Rob."
[lounge]|00:08 Rob says, "smunf"
[lounge]|00:08 zarf says, "hi"
[webtv]|00:09 DorianX says, "also, of course, my ever-increasing sense of social respomnsibility cuts into my joke supply"
[webtv]|00:09 boucher says, "But really...it doesn't need to be clean or fancy.  You don't need to invent special effects and do ridiculous montages.  Not until you're sufficiently bored.  Just straight capture and cut."
[lounge]|00:09 Olly asks (of dto), "How do you like writing with Inform?"
[tangent]|00:09 borowski says, "Now I feel like eating Mexican food."
[webtv]|00:09 boucher says, "Just don't make any jokes about raping associate's girlfriends and you'll be fine."
[tangent]|00:09 DavidW says, "My work here is done."
[tangent]|00:09 Allen says, "!!!!!!"
[tangent]|00:09 borowski says, "Hooray!"
[tangent]|00:09 Allen | http://www.taquitos.net/cheese_puffs/Cappy-Tornitos-Cheddar-Jalapeno
[tangent]|00:10 Allen says, "what a wonderfully horrible name"
[tangent]|00:10 borowski says, "haha"
[tangent]|00:10 borowski says, "It's good to know someone else knows the score."
[tangent-tangent]|00:11 DorianX says, "that reminds me: new blog post: http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com/2012/06/dylan_and_the_bears.html "
[ollyprattle]|00:11 Olly says, "!gnitirw rorriM"
[lounge]|00:12 Duodave goes home.
[lounge]|00:12 borowski says, "!tean elttarpyllo#"
[ollyprattle]|00:13 (from Olly) "?ti t'nsI" ,syas yllO
[tangent]|00:14 boucher says, "My new connect is 'The honeymooners who bought these were underwhelmed by the taste and heat (partly because of the high expectations set by the fire-breathing lion on the bag)'"
[tangent]|00:14 borowski says, "Hooray!"
[lounge]|00:14 dto says (to olly), "yes i suppose :)"
[DustWorld]|00:14 Rob says, "huh, DW moving"
[lounge]|00:15 dto says, ".. olly want to check out what i've got so far? i'm testing a new build, was going to upload it"
[lounge]|00:15 dto says, ".. it's maybe 10 minutes long"
[lounge]|00:15 dto says, ".. olly do you write IF or play or what"
[lounge]|00:15 Olly says, "Ok."
[lounge]|00:15 dto says, " ok give me a moment"
[lounge]|00:15 dto types
[lounge]|00:15 Olly says, "Mostly I hang out on the MUD.  Sometimes I play IF."
[ollyprattle]|00:15 borowski asks, "What inspired the mirror writing?"
[ollyprattle]|00:16 Olly says, "I think I was looking at Rob's name and thinking about what it would look like backwards."
[ollyprattle]|00:17 borowski says, "Interesting"
[peanut-gallery]|00:17 Olly asks, "Have I made a mistake?"
[ollyprattle]|00:17 boucher says, "I was watching a classic Doctor Who episode with a character called Bor recently"
[ollyprattle]|00:18 Olly asks, "Which was that?"
[lounge]|00:18 jenrexrode says, "back"
[peanut-gallery]|00:18 borowski asks, "What do you mean?"
[lounge]|00:18 jenrexrode says, "after locking up, I decided to go buy a bag of ice"
[peanut-gallery]|00:18 Olly says, "Volunteering to look at dto's game."
[DustWorld]|00:18 DavidW says, "alas, yes. So far, I've only started packing."
[peanut-gallery]|00:18 Amanda asks, "why, what's up with it?"
[peanut-gallery]|00:18 K-Y says, "well, expect to be singled out in the future"
[ollyprattle]|00:18 boucher says, "He was a muttering moustached man who sacrificed his life trying to shore up a hopelessly degrading spaceship engine, spewing radiation and threatening to explode, destroying the universe in the process."
[peanut-gallery]|00:19 K-Y says, "along with everyone else who's ever voluntarily talked to him"
[ollyprattle]|00:19 boucher says, "It was called Terminus, Nyssa's departing episode"
[ollyprattle]|00:19 boucher says, "It wasn't a bad episode...going to #drwho for further."
[peanut-gallery]|00:20 Amanda says, "I'm gonna admit - eventually, some day, 'when it's done,' I'm gonna want betas for a thing, and not sure what the polite way to ask is"
[peanut-gallery]|00:20 Olly says, "I've seen that, I think.  I guess I forgot that one of the characters was called Bor, though.  I mostly remember the Garm."
[peanut-gallery]|00:20 Olly says, "ilac"
[ollyprattle]|00:20 Olly says, "I've seen that, I think.  I guess I forgot that one of the characters was called Bor, though.  I mostly remember the Garm."
[peanut-gallery]|00:20 maga says, "ask on #betatesting, make a bb post, post on intfiction.org, email people directly"
[tangent]|00:21 DavidW says (to DX), "nice story"
[peanut-gallery]|00:21 Amanda says, "Thanks. I had forgotten intfiction.org"
[lounge]|00:21 dto says (to olly), "here's the file: https://github.com/downloads/dto/valisade/valisade.z5 "
[drwho]|00:21 boucher says, "In it, Turlough, an alien stuck on Earth at a school academy, who had agreed to the Black Guardian to help destroy The Doctor then became a companion, was trying to sabotage the TARDIS."
[lounge]|00:21 dto says (to olly), "if i can get this short story finished and polished, i'll try writing a sequel for ifcomp"
[peanut-gallery]|00:22 maga says, "in general, it works better to directly ask people who you think would be suited to the game's needs than it is to make a cattle call"
[peanut-gallery]|00:22 Olly says, "Moo."
[drwho]|00:23 boucher says, "He succeeds partially, then an emergency function of the TARDIS causes it to materialize and lock structures with anything it can, in this case, Terminus, a ship at the center of the universe which acccepted Lazars, people suffering a virtually incurable disease, either to be quarantined, killed, or cured, whichever came first."
[tangent]|00:23 jenrexrode says, "break wind power"
[peanut-gallery]|00:23 Amanda says, "Out of the blue, even if I have no prior working relationship with that person? I'm sort of a community lurker ^^;"
[lounge]|00:23 dto says (to thanks), "for checking it out, i hope you enjoy. i'm just learning Inform, so it's not very complicated, but there are a few things to find/do :)"
[peanut-gallery]|00:24 maga says (to Amanda), "sure! I mean, the worst they can do is say 'no, too busy'"
[peanut-gallery]|00:24 maga says, "and it's flattering to be asked"
[lounge]|00:24 dto says (to olly), "here is how i sketched the tent http://i.imgur.com/clQVj.png "
[drwho]|00:24 boucher says, "The staff of the facility were every bit as much prisoners as the patients, only able to survive due to regular infusions of Hydromel, which was scarce and carefully rationed, while the patients were dragged off to a mysterious part of the ship, usually never to return."
[drwho]|00:26 DorianX says, "belated, Pertwee's second opening sequence had him in this sort of effigy pose"
[drwho]|00:26 boucher says, "Eventually, it emerges that Terminus was once a moving time-spaceship, but an engine's reactor went critical and they had to dump their fuel into the void, thus creating our universe, but now another engine was going critical and would destroy the universe."
[drwho]|00:26 boucher says, "And it develops that the 'cure' for Lazar"
[drwho]|00:27 Olly says, "Don't forget the Garm."
[drwho]|00:27 boucher says, "Lazar's Disease is just uncontrolled radiation therapy."
[drwho]|00:27 Olly says, "The Garm is cool."
[language]|00:27 * borowski has joined the channel.
[lounge]|00:27 Firion says (to dto), "Not bad actually.  I only played a small portion but it looks pretty good."
[drwho]|00:28 boucher says, "Yes, I said 'dragged off', but yes, by a rat-dog looking alien called the Garm, who was actually beneficial, but the staff controlled it with crude signals, thinking they had enslaved it."
[web-toons]|00:28 DavidW says, " http://nonadventures.com/ "
[lounge]|00:29 dto says (to Firion), "hey thanks :)"
[web-toons]|00:29 borowski says, "Heh"
[lounge]|00:29 dto glows
[drwho]|00:29 boucher says, "And so yeah, other bits: reactor explosion averted, Nyssa gets sick, then gets cured, then decides to stay and cure the rest, Doctor continues trusting Turlough, etc."
[drwho]|00:29 boucher says, "Also the silliest looters in history."
[lounge]|00:30 dto says (to olly), "re: your inform question: i love it! i was an english major for 3 years before i switched to my cs degree, and this lets me indulge both :)"
[drwho]|00:30 boucher says, "Seriously, they needed extra-large helmets for their 80's hair"
[drwho]|00:30 ghira says, "and dr who's first stripper"
[drwho]|00:30 DorianX says, "Turlough is a really weird character. I wonder if they had other plans for him and changed them unexpectedly"
[lounge]|00:30 dto says (to olly), "i've spent a bunch of time writing/releasing games but nothing IF"
[lounge]|00:30 dto says (to olly), "this Valisade is a port of this roguelike: http://dto.github.com/notebook/sanctuary.html "
[web-toons]|00:30 borowski says, "I have a feeling that my soulmate will be named 'Wonderella.'"
[drwho]|00:30 boucher says, " http://bouchert.com/dumbpics/bighairhelmets.jpg "
[lounge]|00:31 dto says (to olly), "if possible i would like to include my pencil drawings in a glulx version but i couldn't get it to work yet"
[drwho]|00:31 boucher says, "Sarah Sutton is still asked to sign pictures of her in nothing but her slip because of that epsiode."
[drwho]|00:31 DorianX says, "I was just telling Dylan about this recently"
[drwho]|00:31 boucher says, "I liked Turlough, despite his botched backstory"
[drwho]|00:31 boucher says, "I really wish Adam had become that in the new series"
[drwho]|00:32 boucher says, "I like the idea of someone acting contrary to The Doctor's interests aboard the TARDIS"
[drwho]|00:32 DorianX says, "I liked *that*"
[drwho]|00:32 boucher says, "And I like the idea of more male companions in general."
[drwho]|00:32 ghira says, "where by someone you don't mean Kamelion of course"
[drwho]|00:32 DorianX says, "But in addition to his backstory, he was also a prat."
[web-toons]|00:32 borowski asks, "Also, I'm not sure if I know what she means by 'facing a lamp.' The shadow made it hard to see?"
[drwho]|00:32 boucher says, "As was Adam"
[lounge]|00:32 dto says (to olly), "yeah you can use notebook or "vade""
[drwho]|00:32 DorianX says, "There is something abominable about teenage british schoolboys"
[jendoodle]|00:32 jenrexrode says, "100 pictures of the remodel/addition from day zero thru 2 weeks ago."
[lounge]|00:33 dto says (to olly), "but i wasn't sure how to indicate this to the player"
[drwho]|00:33 boucher says (to ghira), "Well, better executed, who knows, but certainly not the mess we got"
[lounge]|00:33 dto says (to olly), "i'm ordering a copy of the Inform Designers Manual but i've been working along with the pdf"
[lounge]|00:33 borowski asks (of dto), "Maybe recommend that the player type 'help' for game specific commands?"
[lounge]|00:34 borowski says, "Oops, I think I misunderstood what you said."
[lounge]|00:34 dto asks (of borowski), "sure i could add help. i assume i need to add a Help verb?"
[drwho]|00:34 Olly says, "I agree that more male companions in the new series would be good."
[drwho]|00:34 Olly says, "Besides, it would make the slash writers happy."
[lounge]|00:35 borowski says (to dto), "I'm the wrong person to ask.  Try #I7."
[lounge]|00:35 dto says, "for me the IF writing is a form of art therapy."
[lounge]|00:35 dto says, " ah ok."
[lounge]|00:35 borowski says (to dto), "I'm still learning myself."
[lounge]|00:36 dto says (to borowski), "i'm learning plain i6 first"
[lounge]|00:37 Firion says (to dto), "I admire you for that."
[drwho]|00:37 DorianX says, "Some people have pointed out that the new series treats Doctor + 1 cute girl as the gold-standard of Doctor Who casts"
[drwho]|00:37 DorianX says, "but the show did not actually settle down on that until its decline"
[lounge]|00:37 DavidW says, "It's a bit odd to hear I6 called 'plain'."
[lounge]|00:37 dto says (to Firion), "well i thought I7 was a preprocessor."
[lounge]|00:38 dto says, "pardon me if im not using proper terminology."
[drwho]|00:38 DorianX says, "The only time it was really Doctor+ 1 cute girl before Colin Baker's tenure was Tom Baker's second season"
[lounge]|00:38 borowski says (to dto), "For some reason, I thought you meant for 'vade' to be a command.  There's probably a way to abbreviate nouns."
[lounge]|00:38 dto says (to borowski), "ah."
[lounge]|00:38 Firion says (to dto), "I6 came first actually."
[lounge]|00:38 dto says (to borowski), "yes I know."
[lounge]|00:38 dto says (to borowsky), "no i meant to say that to firion"
[drwho]|00:38 DorianX says, "but"
[lounge]|00:39 Firion says (to dto), "Sorry, I'm getting over being sick."
[drwho]|00:39 DorianX says, "the new series is not really oriented toward a large ensemble"
[lounge]|00:39 Amanda says (to dto), "Honestly, I would probably suggest just not calling it that, it's a super-unfamiliar word."
[drwho]|00:39 Olly says, "I liked the greater number and variety of companions, but I am old-fashioned.  I also liked the serialized stories."
[drwho]|00:39 DorianX says, "I do not think I would have liked Doctor Who if I'd watched it in the original format"
[lounge]|00:39 Amanda says (to dto), "or, you could indicate more clearly in the desc that it's a notebook, or, allow 'book,' which is what I tried..."
[lounge]|00:40 dto says (to Amanda), "yeah"
[lounge]|00:40 DavidW says, "I7 code does get compiled into I6 code, yes, but.. I'm not sure how to argue this."
[drwho]|00:40 DorianX says, "I mean, I like The Invasion, but there is not anything even vaguely resembling enough payoff to justify *two months*"
[drwho]|00:41 DorianX says, "And something like The War Games has a whole month of NOTHING HAPPENING in the middle"
[lounge]|00:41 dto says (to Amanda), "both valid suggestions, i'll take a look at it"
[lounge]|00:41 Firion goes home.
[drwho]|00:41 DorianX says, "The structur of the Sarah Jane Adventures is about as much as I could take. Even then, a lot of the stories didn't really call for two episodes"
[lounge]|00:42 Hugo says, "All right, these hobos aren't going to bury themselves."
[lounge]|00:42 Rob moseys right on out.
[lounge]|00:43 borowski says, "Lazy hobos."
[lounge]|00:45 dto gesticulates
[lounge]|00:45 dto says, "hey i want to thank everyone who downloaded to give feedback and try out :)"
[lounge]|00:46 dto Feels The Love Of The IF Community
[peanut-gallery]|00:46 Olly exclaims, "!"
[lounge]|00:46 dto asks, " so, after i play AMFV, which is top of my list , what should i playy then?"
[lounge]|00:47 Olly asks, "Maybe a more recent game?"
[lounge]|00:47 Amanda says, "No prob, it seems neat"
[lounge]|00:48 borowski says (to dto), "XYZZY award and comp winners are usually a good bet."
[lounge]|00:48 borowski says (to dto), " http://ifdb.tads.org/ also has lots of reviews"
[peanut-gallery]|00:50 jenrexrode says, "now just get him on the specific channel"
[drwho]|00:53 boucher says, "Our PBS station aired it weekly"
[drwho]|00:53 boucher says, "And it wasn't really something you watched."
[music-theory]|00:54 * borowski has joined the channel.
[drwho]|00:54 boucher says, "It was something you sat in while it slowly soaked into you."
[drwho]|00:54 Olly exclaims, "Yay!"
[drwho]|00:54 boucher says, "I often didn't even discern plots until I rewatched years later"
[music-theory]|00:54 borowski says (to DavidW), "Like all decent songs, it's in G."
[drwho]|00:54 boucher says, "I just knew it was a cool bunch of stuff that happened so infrequently, it didn't matter if it made sense"
[drwho]|00:56 boucher says, "In fact, even if it wasn't cool, at least it was something...an episode worth of the Doctor running in circles, bookended by him being imprisoned was still better than nothing."
[drwho]|00:57 boucher says, "Nowadays, I admit that I do prefer a bit more purpose in my stories.  But it's still a shame that less filler means less companion time."
[lounge]|00:57 dto says, "hey i'm off fow now folks, thanks so much :)"
[lounge]|00:57 dto says, "later"
[lounge]|00:57 dto goes home.
[drwho]|00:58 boucher says, "The height of this, in my opinion, was Peter Davison.  He was one of the more helpless and ineffectual Doctors, more of a mentor than anything, so the focus was really on his unusually large group of compaions."
[lounge]|01:02 Doug goes home.
[drwho]|01:04 DorianX says, "I suspect that a big parto f the reason why Tom Baker is so often considered the best doctor has nothign to do with tom himself"
[drwho]|01:04 DorianX says, "and everythign to do with it being the late 70s when the people making the show finally figured out how to cope with the medium of television"
[lounge]|01:04 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[lounge]|01:05 Olly says, "Hello, Ellison."
[lounge]|01:05 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|01:05 Ellison says, "hey hey"
[lounge]|01:08 zarf walks off through the wall; pale green light flares briefly around him.
[drwho]|01:08 DorianX says, "THe Hartnell and Troughton stories are a mish-mash of radio and theater tropes and all padded out to hell"
[drwho]|01:09 DorianX says, "and the pertwee episodes can't really seem to figure out what they want to be. YOu start out with a nice Quatermass rip-off and suddenly an episode of The Avengers will break out"
[lounge]|01:09 Olly says, "I'm off."
[lounge]|01:09 Olly says, "Good night, MUD."
[lounge]|01:10 borowski says, "Night"
[lounge]|01:10 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[drwho]|01:10 Lionheart says, "Pertwee is still my favorite of old Doctors, but his reruns were the ones I started out watching."
[drwho]|01:11 Lionheart says, "Maybe if I'd been first exposed to Baker, he'd be my fave."
[drwho]|01:12 DorianX says, "Just on paper, Pertwee and Troughton are my favorites"
[drwho]|01:12 DorianX says, "but if you asked me to name the best actual serials, they'd probably be almost all Baker"
[drwho]|01:13 DorianX says, "I like Troughton best *as a character* bt his actual episodes are mostly crap"
[weather]|01:14 jenrexrode says, "Debby http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ "
[weather]|01:15 jenrexrode says, "austin is in the zone"
[drwho]|01:15 Lionheart says, "I don't care for how often Troughton affects being cowardly and flustered."
[lounge]|01:15 vaporware can't predict when he needs to go ninja.
[drwho]|01:16 Lionheart says, "Even if its an act, it feels undoctorly to me."
[weather]|01:16 jenrexrode says, "or maybe I should say -in the cone- http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/024737.shtml?5-daynl#contents "
[lounge]|01:16 jenrexrode says, "hi vw"
[lounge]|01:16 vaporware says, "ahoy"
[DrawSomething]|01:17 jenrexrode says, "oh yeah, I paused to draw when I wasn't sleepy, and never drew"
[drwho]|01:20 Lionheart says, "At least when the baddies got the upper hand, or just thought they did, on Three, he didn't get all twitterpated about it."
[drwho]|01:22 Lionheart says, "Two's got other good qualities, but I'd rather he had more grace in a crisis."
[lounge]|01:24 Amanda says, "Bedtime here also, night MUD"
[lounge]|01:24 Amanda goes home.
[DrawSomething]|01:31 jenrexrode says, "oops, the word I was too tired to draw isn't there anymore"
[DrawSomething]|01:32 jenrexrode says, "some day it will come up againt"
[DrawSomething]|01:32 jenrexrode says, "-t"
[drwho]|01:33 borowski says, "This has inspired me to watch some Dr. Who."
[dogs]|01:33 jenrexrode says, "ack, licked in the mouth"
[lounge]|01:33 Lionheart can see a dream in your dance. Lionheart can see tomorrow in your dance. We can call it, "our hope"!
[lounge]|01:39 borowski can't deal with these hardcore fans.
[lounge]|01:39 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|01:39 borowski likes a realistic, down-to-earth lounge that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots.
[whiz-games]|01:39 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]|01:40 Whizzard says, "And, those 2 lees are painted."
[whiz-games]|01:41 Whizzard says, "Now just to magnetize their bases and they're done."
[lounge]|01:56 Roger is the Samuel L. Jackson of 8 month old wolves.
[movie]|01:56 Roger says, "I'm watching a Hong Kong movie called Mr. and Mrs. Incredible.  It's pretty good."
[DrawSomething]|02:04 jenrexrode exclaims, "done!"
[MUDhelp]|02:13 jenrexrode says, "making macros for BeipMU"
[lounge]|02:13 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|02:13 * borowski has connected.
[music-theory]|02:15 * jenrexrode has joined the channel.
[drwho]|02:17 borowski says, "The Ark in Space"
[drwho]|02:18 borowski asks (of jenrexrode), "What are some good macros to have?"
[MUDhelp]|02:18 Ellison says, "you are a mudding machine that can't be stopped"
[drwho]|02:18 borowski says, "ilac"
[MUDhelp]|02:18 borowski asks (of jenrexrode), "What are some good macros to have?"
[MUDhelp]|02:19 jenrexrode says, "@who =byidle"
[MUDhelp]|02:19 jenrexrode says, "@recap * 40"
[MUDhelp]|02:19 jenrexrode says, "@recap lounge 40"
[MUDhelp]|02:20 jenrexrode says, "oops"
[MUDhelp]|02:20 jenrexrode says, "the who one is wrong wrong"
[MUDhelp]|02:20 jenrexrode says, "who -byidle"
[MUDhelp]|02:21 jenrexrode says, "I don't know why it won't let me copy from input or history window"
[MUDhelp]|02:21 borowski says, "I need to set up some triggers to color code channels."
[MUDhelp]|02:22 jenrexrode says, "oh cool"
[MUDhelp]|02:22 borowski says, "I've tried fooling around with it but I've never gotten it quite right."
[MUDhelp]|02:22 jenrexrode says, "i might get a headache"
[MUDhelp]|02:24 borowski says, "I didn't know about '@recap *' That's nifty."
[MUDhelp]|02:25 jenrexrode says, "yeah, and I find 40 gets enough info, at least for starters"
[lounge]|02:29 Roger goes home.
[lounge]|02:29 * Roger has disconnected.
[drwho]|02:37 DorianX says, "The Ark in Space is one of the ones that they remastered with new visual FX"
[drwho]|02:38 DorianX says, "So that Nerva doesn't look like a hypodermic syringe with a donut around it"
[whiz-games]|02:40 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]|02:40 Whizzard says, "There we go."
[drwho]|02:40 borowski says, "I think the version on Netflix is the older one."
[whiz-games]|02:41 Whizzard says, "That's satisfying. Those 2 minis arrived in the mail today, and I'm going to bed with them fully painted and based."
[drwho]|02:42 borowski says, "At least it does look like a syringe donut."
[drwho]|02:42 jenrexrode says, "heh"
[lounge]|02:48 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
[lounge]|02:48 BrenBarn says, "hola Gunther"
[lounge]|02:48 Gunther says, "arr"
[lounge]|02:48 Whizzard says, "loG"
[whiz-games]|02:48 Whizzard says, "5 minis painted today. Rawr,"
[whiz-games]|02:49 Whizzard says, "2 of which arrived in the mail. :)"
[lounge]|02:49 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[whiz-games]|02:49 Gunther says, "ha ha"
[whiz-games]|02:49 Whizzard says, "That leaves just 2 minis left to paint for the FSA."
[whiz-games]|02:49 Gunther says, "neverending mini"
[whiz-games]|02:50 Whizzard says, "I feel pretty good that I can finish that army for good on Tues night."
[whiz-games]|02:50 Whizzard says, "Well, for good unless they release new, awesome minis for it."
[whiz-games]|02:50 Whizzard says, "But in the meantime, I'll have moved on to France."
[videogames]|02:50 DorianX asks, "Hm... I am wondering. Wouled it be fair to say that sandbox games are, to a large extent, RPGs without grinding?"
[whiz-games]|02:51 Whizzard says, "Which I now have 5 minis painted for. Just doing 1 of each to establish paint schemes."
[whiz-games]|02:51 Whizzard says, "That reminds me, though. I need to buy some paint thinner to clean my drybrush with."
[lounge]|03:03 jenrexrode wanders off.
[whiz-games]|03:03 Whizzard says, "Tomorrow I'm gonna go see Brave with friends."
[whiz-games]|03:04 Whizzard says, "I don't expect it to be one of my favorite Pixars, but if it is merely awesome, I'll live. :)"
[lounge]|03:04 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|03:04 * Hugo has disconnected.
[videogames]|03:05 Gunther says, "not if they lack quests, npcs, ..."
[lounge]|03:05 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[wtf]|03:05 jenrexrode | http://www.treehugger.com/clean-water/late-entry-to-the-waste-of-packaging-competition.html
[whiz-games]|03:05 Gunther asks, "is this the archery one where they researched archery more detailedly than many, many movies?"
[whiz-games]|03:06 Whizzard says, "Dunno."
[whiz-games]|03:06 Whizzard says, "There's a bear in it, and Celtic music."
[whiz-games]|03:07 Whizzard says, "That's about as much as I know so far."
[whiz-games]|03:07 Whizzard says, "Oh, and the girl doesn't want to get married."
[videogames]|03:07 Ellison says (to Gunther), "I imagine you couldn't be suckered into a MMORPG, eh? (just wondering if you're checking out the Secret World this weekend)"
[videogames]|03:09 Gunther says, "tried WoW, bored my eyes out of my skull, also fuck Funcom and fuck Ragnar Tornqvist and fuck his MMOs and I want everything he does bomb harder than a nuke until he fucking finished The Longest Journey."
[videogames]|03:10 Gunther says, "so... no, I guess."
[videogames]|03:10 Ellison says, "ha"
[whiz-games]|03:11 Gunther says, "yeah, this is it"
[whiz-games]|03:11 Gunther asks, "how many more minis total?"
[videogames]|03:12 Ellison says, "I'm curious but I don't have faith my laptop could handle it, so I don't want to spend an hour or two downloading and installing just to be disappointed that my computer can't handle it. my sentiment is that I hope it's either so cool that just hearing things about it is entertaining, or the more likely possibility, it crashes and burns as quickly as possible"
[videogames]|03:13 Gunther says, "RPS has been wanking about it"
[videogames]|03:13 Jearl says, "GDorn and I played it a bunch today"
[videogames]|03:13 Jearl says, "it's ok"
[videogames]|03:13 Gunther says, "but they've also been furiously ejaculating over DayZ, so I doubt anything they say"
[videogames]|03:13 Jearl says, "I was hoping for weirder, and it's weirder than WoW but maybe not weird enough"
[videogames]|03:13 Ellison says, "RPS has never really won me over as a reader"
[videogames]|03:14 Jearl says, "I actually want to play it more, but not enough to justify a monthly subscription fee"
[videogames]|03:14 Ellison asks (of Jearl), "which faction did you choose?"
[videogames]|03:15 Jearl says, "Dragons"
[videogames]|03:15 Gunther says, "they're certainly better than most other things but sometimes they have weird fetishes, and anyone still excited about a zombie game... I dunno. Just... why."
[videogames]|03:15 Jearl says, "the quest system is kind of pleasantly in-the-world"
[videogames]|03:16 Jearl says, "rahter than ever going back to the questgiver you just call your handlers and they pat you on the head and mail you some rewards"
[videogames]|03:16 Ellison says, "I decided that if I were to play, I think I'd be a Templar just because it'd require the simplest mindset"
[whiz-games]|03:16 Whizzard says, "Well, just 2 for FSA."
[whiz-games]|03:17 Whizzard says, "France...that's a bit vaguer."
[videogames]|03:17 Ellison says, "nice"
[whiz-games]|03:17 Whizzard says, "Prolly about 30 or so."
[videogames]|03:17 Jearl says, "like, I found a discarded cell phone and followed up on some conspiracy stuff on it so I investigated and repored back"
[videogames]|03:17 Jearl says, "reported"
[videogames]|03:17 Jearl says, "er, that sentence got way out of control"
[videogames]|03:17 Jearl says, "heh, the Dragons mindset is 'there's a reson for this, don't worry about it, just do it'"
[whiz-games]|03:18 Whizzard says, "Looking at my wishlist..."
[videogames]|03:18 Ellison says, "heh"
[videogames]|03:18 Gunther says, "Dragon's Dogma doesn't have you go back to the questgiver either"
[videogames]|03:19 Gunther says, "I hope this catches on"
[whiz-games]|03:19 Whizzard says, "I see I've got about 17 minis left to buy."
[whiz-games]|03:19 Whizzard says, "That's ~8 blisters of stuff, I think."
[whiz-games]|03:20 Whizzard says, "But I may buy a couple more battleships."
[whiz-games]|03:20 Whizzard says, "The French battleships are 'pocket battleships', meaning they're a bit lighter and cheaper than normal battleships, so running 2 at once isn't that odd."
[videogames]|03:22 Jearl says, "we'll probably bang on it a little more tomorrow"
[videogames]|03:22 Jearl says, "but now it is time for sleep"
[lounge]|03:22 Jearl When you see it, you have the tendency to eat this beauty ( with your eyes )
[videogames]|03:23 Gunther asks, "why you askin'?"
[videogames]|03:24 Ellison says, "well, like I said, I'm not going to check it out myself, but I'm still curious"
[whiz-games]|03:24 Whizzard says, "I suspect once the French are painted, I'll only play the FSA very rarely."
[videogames]|03:24 Gunther says, "oh, you want some patsy to check it out for you"
[videogames]|03:24 Gunther says, "try Tale"
[videogames]|03:26 Ellison says, "I would, but he just got patsied into getting a PS3"
[videogames]|03:27 Gunther says, "heh"
[videogames]|03:27 Gunther asks, "who by?"
[videogames]|03:28 Ellison says, "no idea. I only caught the ugly aftermath!"
[videogames]|03:30 ghira says, "he said something about saying he could watch dvds and maybe bluray on one"
[videogames]|03:30 ghira asks, "and maybe one was cheaper than a normal bluray player? but he said something about scart?"
[videogames]|03:31 Gunther says, "yes, the ps3 is the best bd player"
[whiz-games]|03:31 Whizzard says, "Oh, geez."
[whiz-games]|03:31 Gunther says, "hey, Robert Florence is doing F:AT"
[whiz-games]|03:31 Whizzard asks, "Seriously, Spartan? The campaign book for Dys Wars has a mighty 6 scenarios?"
[whiz-games]|03:31 Whizzard exclaims, "Is he? Sweet!"
[whiz-games]|03:32 Gunther says, " http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/24/cardboard-children-fortress-america/ "
[music]|03:32 K-Y says, "another night of playlist management"
[music]|03:32 K-Y says, "and I somehow manage to delete my playlist twice"
[music]|03:34 K-Y says, "this means it's time for bed"
[lounge]|03:34 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|03:34 * K-Y has disconnected.
[lounge]|03:34 Oren nikhnas l'atraklin.
[lounge]|03:34 Oren says, "hello"
[lounge]|03:34 Ellison says, "hey Oren"
[whiz-games]|03:34 Whizzard says, "Hahaha! "There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this.""
[whiz-games]|03:35 Whizzard says, "I love Florence."
[lounge]|03:35 Gunther says, "heyhey"
[lounge]|03:39 jenrexrode wanders off.
[lounge]|03:40 Rob comes right on in.
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Current time: Sunday, 24 Jun 2012, 03:40:39 AM EDT
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Rob says, "brkl"
Gunther says, "rob rob ba bob"
Rob says, "oops, just missed jen"
Rob says, "she hates when I do that"
Rob says, "g g ther the gn ther"
[movie] Rob says, "just watched a really interesting movie"
[movie] Rob says, "The Skin I Live In, pedro almodovar"
[movie] Rob says, "almodovar doing hitchcock"
[movie] Rob says, "but taking the lesson that to do a hitchcock movie you need to do something psychologically complex and sexually perverted"
[movie] Gunther says, "I keep hearing about this"
[movie] Rob says, "it does the interesting thing of combining the hitchcock blonde with the hitchcock severe mother figure"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Man, I'm still irritated by the scenario book being so little crunch."
[movie] Rob says, "my take on it is that you have to have watched a lot of hitchcock, a lot of brian de palma doing hitchcock, and a lot of almodovar, to appreciate it fully"
[movie] Rob says, "but I have, so I was enjoying it"
[movie] Rob says, "it is pretty disturbing, but artfully disturbing, instead of grotesquely disturbing, like Eden Lake (which I mentioned last week)"
[movie] Rob says, "in the middle of it I said 'this actually gives me hope for cinema' and at the end I spontaneously applauded"
[whiz-games] Gunther says, "yeah, that's pretty halfassed"
[movie] Rob says, "this doesn't mean I recommend it for anyone's casual viewing, just noting for the record that I was entertained by it"
[movie] Gunther says, "then you woke up and the pillow was in your dvd player"
[movie] Gunther says, "no, I don't know either"
[movie] Rob says, "like I said unless you've watched a lot of this other stuff and know the biographies and psychologies of the directors you probably won't find it as entertaining"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "I'm hearing that 80 pgs (2/3s of the book) is all fluff."
Rob says, "it's the 24th already? wtf"
Rob says, "#wtf"
Gunther says, "yeah"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Well, at least it has landing rules for amphib. assaults. Too bad I don't own any land forces."
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "I have a sad feeling that there's not going to be anything in it I can use."
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Recapping 116 of 174 lines from games/whiz-games:
[whiz-games]/001 Whizzard says, "Hmm. The Spartan guys are looking for full-time/freelance designers."
[whiz-games]/002 Whizzard says, "If I knew them, I'd drop them a line saying I'm available for freelance starting Sept."
[whiz-games]/003 Whizzard says, "They prolly don't pay for shit, though."
[whiz-games]/004 Whizzard asks, "Although, it would be in euros, so that would be a good exchange rate...right? It hasn't tanked lately?"
[whiz-games]/005 Gunther says, "somewhat but not horribly"
[whiz-games]/006 Gunther says, "EUR 100 = $125"
[whiz-games]/007 Gunther says, "but they're brits, so it'd be pounds I suppose"
[whiz-games]/008 Gunther says, "GBP 100 = $155, though, so"
[whiz-games]/009 Whizzard says, "Ooh, even better."
[whiz-games]/010 Gunther says, "also I am sure THEY know YOU"
[whiz-games]/011 Whizzard says, "Yeah, but there's this little boy's club in the game industry consisting of company owners."
[whiz-games]/012 Whizzard says, "It could be me just being overcautious, but a lot of them talk to each other regularly."
[whiz-games]/013 Fang asks, "everyone thinks the euro is gonna start tanking soon, don't they?"
[whiz-games]/014 Gunther says, "oh, I see"
[whiz-games]/015 Gunther says (to Fang), "yes since like 2008 now"
[whiz-games]/016 Gunther says, "Moody's downgraded 25 banks or so and stocks rose, so"
[whiz-games]/017 Gunther says, "it's really just completely fucking random and not worth thinking about"
[whiz-games]/018 Whizzard says, "I want it to stay high."
[whiz-games]/019 Whizzard says, "If I can sell a couple games overseas, $$$."
[whiz-games]/020 Gunther says, "I'd be surprised if Spartan talked to Chris, but sure, better safe than sorry"
[whiz-games]/021 Whizzard says, "I would be too, but there's just not enough upside to it."
[whiz-games]/022 Gunther says, "you could go by a pen name"
[whiz-games]/023 Gunther says, "I am Wilson Gerry, designer of such famous games as Descent Horror, Elder Civ, and Magdoom"
[whiz-games]/024 vimes says, "i'd play those games!"
[whiz-games]/025 Whizzard says, "Haha"
[whiz-games]/026 vimes says, "elder civ adds an "unspeakable horrors" research track"
[whiz-games]/027 Whizzard says, "Yeah, but your figures start going insane."
[whiz-games]/028 Whizzard says, "And grow tentacles."
[whiz-games]/029 vimes says, "irta 'fingers'"
[whiz-games]/030 vimes says, "probably the budget won't stretch to lsd-impregnated doom track cards"
[whiz-games]/031 Whizzard says, "Best collector's edition EVAR."
[whiz-games]/032 Whizzard says, ""Oh god, the walls are bleeding!!!""
[whiz-games]/033 Gunther says, "PLUS a *killing* on the replacement pack market"
[whiz-games]/034 Whizzard says, ""Jeez, sorry about you clawing at the walls for an hour, Bill." "Don't be, Jim. BEST GAME SESSION I'VE EVER BEEN TO.""
[whiz-games]/035 vimes says, "ha ha ha"
[whiz-games]/036 Gunther says, "suck it, Risk Legacy."
[whiz-games]/037 vimes says, "if nothing else, that's a great gimmic for the "Look at my horse, my horse is amazing" card"
[whiz-games]/038 vimes says, "give it a lick, it tastes just like weeble weeble schlup glaaaaaaaa"
[whiz-games]/039 Gunther says, "(the 'do not open, ever' pack for Elder Civ actually explodes"
[whiz-games]/040 Gunther says, ")"
[whiz-games]/041 Whizzard says, "Haha"
[whiz-games]/042 Fang says, "elder civ would be pretty neat actually"
[whiz-games]/043 Whizzard says, "Elder Civ Legacy..."
[whiz-games]/044 Gunther says, "you'll find it's called Chaos in the Old World, I think"
[whiz-games]/045 Whizzard says, "Every turn your citizens make a sacrifice to you."
[whiz-games]/046 Fang says, "fortress elder civ legacy droid"
[whiz-games]/047 Fang says, "encounter"
[whiz-games]/048 Whizzard says, "If you find it unsatisfactory, kill one of your units and tear up that sacrifice card."
[whiz-games]/049 Whizzard says, ""DO BETTER.""
[whiz-games]/050 Whizzard says, "<lightning kills a cultist>"
[whiz-games]/051 vimes says, ""THAT WAS GREAT BUT I'M GOING TO KILL YOU ANYWAY.""
[whiz-games]/052 Gunther asks, "have you seen that reverse tower defense game where you play God and kill people to prevent the building of the Tower of Babel?"
[whiz-games]/053 vimes says, "ha ha"
[whiz-games]/054 Gunther says, "I'm not even joking (sadly, it's a bad game)"
[whiz-games]/055 Whizzard says, "hee"
[whiz-games]/056 vimes says, "that's too bad"
[whiz-games]/057 vimes says, "such a good premise to be wasted on a crap game"
[whiz-games]/058 vimes says, "but then, there are a lot of good premises wasted on crap games"
[whiz-games]/059 Gunther says, "yeah, like Drive To Work Simulator 2000"
[whiz-games]/060 Firion says (to Gunther), "I'd say that concept is quite blasphemous (excuse the pun!)"
[whiz-games]/061 Gunther says, "(named Half-Life for some reason)"
[whiz-games]/062 Gunther says, " http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-babel-rising/17-6226/ "
[whiz-games]/063 Gunther says, "this quicklook is worth it just for the unholy pun in the subheader"
[whiz-games]/064 vimes says, "ha ha ha"
[whiz-games]/065 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]/066 Whizzard says, "Dinner at Grumpy's tonight. The town is swamped with the big car show this weekend."
[whiz-games]/067 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]/068 Whizzard exclaims, "Yes! My last 2 FSA minis arrived!"
[whiz-games]/069 Whizzard says, "Minis primed, blue base applied, brass detailing begun."
[whiz-games]/070 Whizzard says, "I'll have those done tonight for sure."
[whiz-games]/071 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]/072 Whizzard says, "And, those 2 lees are painted."
[whiz-games]/073 Whizzard says, "Now just to magnetize their bases and they're done."
[whiz-games]/074 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]/075 Whizzard says, "There we go."
[whiz-games]/076 Whizzard says, "That's satisfying. Those 2 minis arrived in the mail today, and I'm going to bed with them fully painted and based."
[whiz-games]/077 Whizzard says, "5 minis painted today. Rawr,"
[whiz-games]/078 Whizzard says, "2 of which arrived in the mail. :)"
[whiz-games]/079 Gunther says, "ha ha"
[whiz-games]/080 Whizzard says, "That leaves just 2 minis left to paint for the FSA."
[whiz-games]/081 Gunther says, "neverending mini"
[whiz-games]/082 Whizzard says, "I feel pretty good that I can finish that army for good on Tues night."
[whiz-games]/083 Whizzard says, "Well, for good unless they release new, awesome minis for it."
[whiz-games]/084 Whizzard says, "But in the meantime, I'll have moved on to France."
[whiz-games]/085 Whizzard says, "Which I now have 5 minis painted for. Just doing 1 of each to establish paint schemes."
[whiz-games]/086 Whizzard says, "That reminds me, though. I need to buy some paint thinner to clean my drybrush with."
[whiz-games]/087 Whizzard says, "Tomorrow I'm gonna go see Brave with friends."
[whiz-games]/088 Whizzard says, "I don't expect it to be one of my favorite Pixars, but if it is merely awesome, I'll live. :)"
[whiz-games]/089 Gunther asks, "is this the archery one where they researched archery more detailedly than many, many movies?"
[whiz-games]/090 Whizzard says, "Dunno."
[whiz-games]/091 Whizzard says, "There's a bear in it, and Celtic music."
[whiz-games]/092 Whizzard says, "That's about as much as I know so far."
[whiz-games]/093 Whizzard says, "Oh, and the girl doesn't want to get married."
[whiz-games]/094 Gunther says, "yeah, this is it"
[whiz-games]/095 Gunther asks, "how many more minis total?"
[whiz-games]/096 Whizzard says, "Well, just 2 for FSA."
[whiz-games]/097 Whizzard says, "France...that's a bit vaguer."
[whiz-games]/098 Whizzard says, "Prolly about 30 or so."
[whiz-games]/099 Whizzard says, "Looking at my wishlist..."
[whiz-games]/100 Whizzard says, "I see I've got about 17 minis left to buy."
[whiz-games]/101 Whizzard says, "That's ~8 blisters of stuff, I think."
[whiz-games]/102 Whizzard says, "But I may buy a couple more battleships."
[whiz-games]/103 Whizzard says, "The French battleships are 'pocket battleships', meaning they're a bit lighter and cheaper than normal battleships, so running 2 at once isn't that odd."
[whiz-games]/104 Whizzard says, "I suspect once the French are painted, I'll only play the FSA very rarely."
[whiz-games]/105 Whizzard says, "Oh, geez."
[whiz-games]/106 Gunther says, "hey, Robert Florence is doing F:AT"
[whiz-games]/107 Whizzard asks, "Seriously, Spartan? The campaign book for Dys Wars has a mighty 6 scenarios?"
[whiz-games]/108 Whizzard exclaims, "Is he? Sweet!"
[whiz-games]/109 Gunther says, " http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/24/cardboard-children-fortress-america/ "
[whiz-games]/110 Whizzard says, "Hahaha! "There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this.""
[whiz-games]/111 Whizzard says, "I love Florence."
[whiz-games]/112 Whizzard says, "Man, I'm still irritated by the scenario book being so little crunch."
[whiz-games]/113 Gunther says, "yeah, that's pretty halfassed"
[whiz-games]/114 Whizzard says, "I'm hearing that 80 pgs (2/3s of the book) is all fluff."
[whiz-games]/115 Whizzard says, "Well, at least it has landing rules for amphib. assaults. Too bad I don't own any land forces."
[whiz-games]/116 Whizzard says, "I have a sad feeling that there's not going to be anything in it I can use."
Recapped 116 of 174 lines from games/whiz-games.
[movie] Gunther says, "that confirms my vague feeling that Spartan half-ass so many things not in the main line"
[whiz-games] Rob asks, "what does 'so little crunch' mean?"
Recapping 96 of 103 lines from media/movies/movie:
[movie]/001 Hugo says, "I've thought that about all the Hulks."
[movie]/002 Hugo asks, "But then, to give the vfx guys the benefit of the doubt: what exactly would a giant green rampaging behemoth look like?"
[movie]/003 Matthew asks, "Lou Ferrigno?"
[movie]/004 Matthew says, "I just think it looks like hokey CGI rather than a giant green rampaging behemoth."
[movie]/005 Hugo says, "I'm no comic book guy, but it seems like the 'real' Hulk is a lot closer to hokey CGI than Lou Ferrigno."
[movie]/006 Hugo says, "And I'm sure we all say God bless Lou Ferrigno, but the poor guy looks pretty silly in retrospect."
[movie]/007 Hugo | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Ferrigno_as_Hulk.jpg
[movie]/008 Matthew says, "Well, dumb CGI aside The Incredible Hulk was way better a movie than Thor."
[movie]/009 Matthew says, "Next up: Iron Man."
[movie]/010 inky says, "interesting"
[movie]/011 Matthew says, "The only remaining question is whether I'll have time to go see The Avengers this weekend, now that I have the proper background.  Alas, probably not."
[movie]/012 K-Y says, "belatedly"
[movie]/013 K-Y says, "the idea is that when Thor has his hammer mojo back, he can make it return to him from anywhere"
[movie]/014 inky says, "ha ha"
[movie]/015 K-Y says, "this is probably necessary knowledge for Avengers too"
[movie]/016 Gunther says, "can't touch this"
[movie]/017 Gunther says, "also that is a standard Mjolnr power"
[movie]/018 Fang asks, "hammer mojo is the technical term, eh?"
[movie]/019 Gunther says, "official description:"
[movie]/020 Gunther | would be able to strike as firmly as he wanted, whatever his aim, and the hammer would never fail, and if he threw it at something, it would never miss and never fly so far from his hand that it would not find its way back, and when he wanted, it would be so small that it could be carried inside his tunic
[movie]/021 Matthew says, "Gwyneth PALTROW is in this?!  Man."
[movie]/022 K-Y says, "this is also necessary knowledge for Avengers"
[movie]/023 Matthew says, "I just realized I haven't gotten the movie where Edward Norton turns into Mark Ruffalo.  I'M STILL BEHIND"
[movie]/024 Iain asks (of Matthew), "Marvel movie marathon?"
[movie]/025 Matthew says (to Iain), "Preparing for The Avengers."
[movie]/026 Doug asks, "what about the one where Bill Bixby turns into Eric Bana?"
[movie]/027 nothings says, "Matthew's Marvel Movie Marathon Monday"
[movie]/028 Matthew says, "My."
[movie]/029 Gunther says, "you should prepare for The Avengers by finishing The Fountainhead"
[movie]/030 Matthew says (to Gunther), "I want to see it before next YEAR."
[movie]/031 Gunther says, "also it's monday? ffffffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF"
[movie]/032 Doug says, "you should also watch the other The Avengers movie."
[movie]/033 Iain says, "Heh"
[movie]/034 Gunther says, "ha ha NO"
[movie]/035 Doug asks, "c'mon, Ray Fiennes, Uma Thurman, what could go wrong?"
[movie]/036 Doug says, "oops Ralph"
[movie]/037 Gunther says, "absolutely everything + you forgot Mumbly McScot"
[movie]/038 nothings says, "I'm sure if one Hollywood guy had had his way, it would have gone wrong by having a giant mechanical spider"
[movie]/039 Gunther says, "unlike that other remake of a TV show that had one"
[movie]/040 nothings says, "and the other movie that he wanted to have one"
[movie]/041 Gunther asks, "did the same guy do Avengers and Wicky Wicky Wah Wah West?"
[movie]/042 nothings says, "no"
[movie]/043 nothings says, "well, not that i know of"
[movie]/044 Gunther says, "it would explain a few things"
[movie]/045 Doug | Rod Dreher in the New York Post called the film "a big fat gob of maximum crapulosity, the kind of shallow, stupid, big-budget cowpile that smells of Joel Schumacher", referencing the previous summer's likewise poorly-received Batman & Robin, which also starred Uma Thurman.
[movie]/046 nothings says, "it was a reference to a Kevin Smith story about the same producer wanting a giant mechanical spider in another movie Smith was working on, in case you didn't know"
[movie]/047 Gunther says (to nothings), "I did not"
[movie]/048 Gunther says (to Doug), "oh those blessed pre-Bay days *sigh*"
[movie]/049 nothings says, "it's not that the guy wants it in every movie; smith's experience happened before WWW, so it's more that he kept trying to get it into a movie until he succeeded"
[movie]/050 Gunther says, "where the worst that would happen was boredom and stupid"
[movie]/051 nothings says, "and then I was intentionally misgeneralizing it as if he wanted it in every movie, but that made no sense if you didn't know the kevin smith sotry"
[movie]/052 Gunther says, "there *should* be giant mechanical spiders in all movies"
[movie]/053 nothings says, "that's one point of view"
[movie]/054 Gunther says, "they can be invisible"
[movie]/055 Doug says, "at least all movies involving someone named Smith"
[movie]/056 Doug asks, "speaking of which, is MIB3 any good?"
[movie]/057 Matthew says, "I haven't seen it, but I'm guessing... no."
[movie]/058 DorianX says, "Sir Sean Connery certainly did some terrible movies at the end of his carreer"
[movie]/059 Gunther says, "you say that as if it were over"
[movie]/060 Matthew asks, "He's retired, hasn't he?"
[movie]/061 DorianX says, "I wonder if old age made him lose his ability to tell if a movie was gonna suck"
[movie]/062 DorianX says, "Yeah, at least officially he's retired"
[movie]/063 Gunther says, "zomg nobody's ever come back from retirement when they needed the money"
[movie]/064 DorianX says, "It is not inconcciveable that he might be coaxed back"
[movie]/065 DorianX says, "IIRC he did do some voice work after his official retirement specifically as a present for his grandson"
[movie]/066 Gunther says, "especially not actors, musicians, and Brett fucking Favre"
[movie]/067 Roger says, "So I watched that Acts of Valor movie.  If you're in its target audience, you'll probably like it"
[movie]/068 Gunther says, "I stack 5 nephalem valors, bitches"
[movie]/069 Tale says (to roger), "Good to know"
[movie]/070 Roger says, "In contrast, this SWAT: Firefight movie is pretty mediocre"
[movie]/071 Gunther says, "SWAT? More like t..."
[movie]/072 Roger says, "Hunh, the Terminator 2 guy"
[movie]/073 Roger says, "Haha these guys are terrible"
[movie]/074 Matthew says, "Iron Man: finished."
[movie]/075 Matthew says, "That one was pretty darn good, actually."
[movie]/076 Matthew says, "I wish I had time to watch Iron Man 2 right now, but alas I do not."
[movie]/077 olethros asks, "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter ?"
[movie]/078 vaporware | If you watch Scarface backwards, it's about a man who gives up cocaine and crime to follow his dream of becoming a dishwasher to earn enough money to visit Cuba.
[movie]/079 inky says, "hee hee"
[movie]/080 borowski asks, "I just saw Bernie.  It was interesting, but I ate too much popcorn.  Why must it be so delicious?"
[movie]/081 Roger says, "I'm watching a Hong Kong movie called Mr. and Mrs. Incredible.  It's pretty good."
[movie]/082 Rob says, "just watched a really interesting movie"
[movie]/083 Rob says, "The Skin I Live In, pedro almodovar"
[movie]/084 Rob says, "almodovar doing hitchcock"
[movie]/085 Rob says, "but taking the lesson that to do a hitchcock movie you need to do something psychologically complex and sexually perverted"
[movie]/086 Gunther says, "I keep hearing about this"
[movie]/087 Rob says, "it does the interesting thing of combining the hitchcock blonde with the hitchcock severe mother figure"
[movie]/088 Rob says, "my take on it is that you have to have watched a lot of hitchcock, a lot of brian de palma doing hitchcock, and a lot of almodovar, to appreciate it fully"
[movie]/089 Rob says, "but I have, so I was enjoying it"
[movie]/090 Rob says, "it is pretty disturbing, but artfully disturbing, instead of grotesquely disturbing, like Eden Lake (which I mentioned last week)"
[movie]/091 Rob says, "in the middle of it I said 'this actually gives me hope for cinema' and at the end I spontaneously applauded"
[movie]/092 Rob says, "this doesn't mean I recommend it for anyone's casual viewing, just noting for the record that I was entertained by it"
[movie]/093 Gunther says, "then you woke up and the pillow was in your dvd player"
[movie]/094 Gunther says, "no, I don't know either"
[movie]/095 Rob says, "like I said unless you've watched a lot of this other stuff and know the biographies and psychologies of the directors you probably won't find it as entertaining"
[movie]/096 Gunther says, "that confirms my vague feeling that Spartan half-ass so many things not in the main line"
Recapped 96 of 103 lines from media/movies/movie.
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Few rules and scenarios. The book is mostly setting background info."
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Setting info is often referred to as 'fluff', while game mechanics are referred to as 'crunch'."
<nothings> It is official. Very stupid robots think about socks.
nothings enterd the room and screemed, "I had sheesh to lose, but you are not going to get the Monka."
Gunther says, "heya"
nothings says, "howdy"
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Recapping 1000 of 4183 lines from recent channels:
[board-games]/10:51 Doug asks, "what's the other?"
[movie]|10:51 ghira says, "saw Prometheus yesterday and Hanna today"
[movie]|10:52 ghira says, "not sure I'd recommend either."
[movie]|10:52 ghira says, "but didn't actively dislike them"
[board-games]|10:52 Doug says, "huh, 4 games from 2011 in the BGG top 20.  but one is the Puerto Rico anniversary edition"
[movie]|10:53 nothings says, "people seemed pretty down on prometheus"
[board-games]|10:54 Gunther says, "Eclipse is the other"
[board-games]|10:56 Doug says, "that was going to be my guess.  you're so predictable!"
[board-games]|10:56 Gunther says, "one warning about MK, though: if you dislike Vlaada Chvatil's style of games, or puzzles, then don't play it."
[lounge]|10:56 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[board-games]|10:56 Doug says, "hm, I was not thrilled by Dungeon Lords"
[board-games]|10:56 Doug says, "or Galaxy Trucker"
[board-games]|10:57 Doug says, "but I like puzzles!"
[board-games]|10:57 Gunther says, "it's least like those two I guess"
[board-games]|10:57 Doug says, "oh huh, apparently I gave Dungeon Lords a 7.  I guess I wasn't that not-thrilled"
[board-games]|10:57 Gunther says, "but it is one ginormous optimization puzzle"
[board-games]|10:57 Doug asks, "I love Factory Fun, is it like that?"
[board-games]|10:58 Gunther says, "I guess you could say that!"
[board-games]|10:58 Gunther says, "you get a hand of cards which let you move, or attack, or defend, ..."
[board-games]|10:58 Gunther says, "and you have to try and do your best with the hand you drew"
[board-games]|10:59 Gunther says, "it's not as hardcore as Dungeon Lords and not as chaotic as Galaxy Trucker"
[board-games]|11:01 Doug says, "man, 42 games on the BGG top 100 that I haven't played"
[board-games]|11:01 Gunther says, "35+ of those probably aren't worth it"
[board-games]|11:02 Gunther checks
[board-games]|11:02 Gunther says, "1-3 are all "unfortunately played", for me, for example"
[board-games]|11:02 Doug asks, "is the Puerto Rico anniversary edition any different?  does it just have the expansion buildings or something?"
[board-games]|11:02 Gunther says, "new illustrations, metal coins"
[board-games]|11:04 Doug says, "only 41 unplayed games on the BGG Strategy Games top 100"
[board-games]|11:04 Doug says, "sigh."
[board-games]|11:04 Gunther says, "40/100 played"
[board-games]|11:04 Gunther says, "1-6 of the top 10 though"
[board-games]|11:04 Gunther says, "of which I like 2"
[board-games]|11:05 Gunther says, "also why is PR there twice? Once is too many"
[board-games]|11:05 Doug asks, "is there a way to share my ratings for the top 100?"
[craft]|11:05 Binder says, "So I'm only a couple links deep in the references from the Craft page of ifwiki and I'm already noticing a theme."
[board-games]|11:05 Gunther says, "ditto WotR"
[craft]|11:05 Binder says, "Before I get into the specifics, I should probably present my credentials. I don't have any, but if you won't take the advice of someone who's never entered the annual comp and never won any major IF awards, well, I don't know what to say."
[craft]|11:05 Binder says, "and that theme is: open your essay with bold assertion of lack of qualification."
[board-games]|11:05 Gunther says, "hmm, I don't think the "my collection" thing has filters for position"
[board-games]|11:05 Gunther says, "also the rank is worthless anyway"
[board-games]|11:06 Gunther says, "since it clearly does not reflect public opinion, or the top 3 would be Settlers, LCR, and Bananagrams, and probably 5000 stupid card games before that"
[board-games]|11:07 Doug says, "wow, you rate Age of Steam a 1?  I save that for "not a game""
[board-games]|11:07 Gunther says, "I fucking hate John Bohrer, and I rate it 1 out of spite."
[craft]|11:07 Doug says, "I see what you did there"
[board-games]|11:08 Doug says, "lame"
[craft]|11:08 Binder D
[board-games]|11:08 Gunther says, "also I would never play it, so the 1 still applies."
[craft]|11:08 Binder says, "er :D"
[board-games]|11:08 Doug says, "wow, Android a 10?  nice"
[board-games]|11:08 Gunther says, "I have rated far too few games"
[board-games]|11:08 Doug says, "I kind of liked it, but the deduction part seemed too chaotic.  but I'll never have the energy to play it again to find out"
[board-games]|11:09 Psmith says, "I probably need to update a crapload of my ratings, yeah."
[board-games]|11:10 Doug says (to Gunther), "you may be the only person to rate both Eclipse and Fluxx a 9."
[board-games]|11:10 Gunther says, "heh"
[board-games]|11:10 Gunther says, "that fluxx rating probably predates pretty much any other game's, BUT we still play it a lot and usually have fun, so why not"
[board-games]|11:11 Gunther says, "a ton of my older ratings need adjustment though"
[board-games]|11:11 Doug says, "yeah, I'm surprised your average rating is 7.36 given your reputation for curmudgeonliness."
[board-games]|11:12 Psmith says, "yikes. Even mine is only 6.54."
[board-games]|11:12 Gunther says (to Doug), "well, I mostly only own games I like, and I don't often rate games I play otherwise unless there's a specific reason"
[board-games]|11:12 Gunther says, "so I'm the IGN of board game ratings"
[board-games]|11:13 Doug says, "my average is 6.06"
[board-games]|11:13 Gunther says, "plus I don't really go by the BGG ratings since I find them too specific"
[board-games]|11:14 Gunther says, "like, I wouldn't play Android all day every day but I still think it's a masterpiece"
[board-games]|11:14 Doug says, "yeah, my ratings aren't strictly "how often would you play it""
[board-games]|11:15 Gunther says, "plus there's no way to normalize ratings over game types"
[craft]|11:15 DavidW says, "I suppose there's only a small handful of us who do have credentials in game design."
[board-games]|11:15 Gunther says, "so a 9 for a 15-minute filler shouldn't have the same weight as a 9 for a 3-hour behemoth"
[board-games]|11:16 Gunther says, "and yet not rating the filler a 9 if I love to play it seems unfair"
[board-games]|11:16 Gunther says, "I guess this is why I've stopped rating stuff!"
[board-games]|11:16 Doug says, "hm, I have 36 10s, but most of those are Carcassonne and Catan variants."
[board-games]|11:16 Doug says, "because I find them mostly interchangeable, and I like variety"
[board-games]|11:16 Psmith says, "I have six tens, one of which I should probably revise to a nine."
[board-games]|11:17 Gunther says, "but yes, the main hindrance is me rotating out games I don't like"
[board-games]|11:18 Doug says, "oh, I guess I have only 20 non-expansions rated 10"
[board-games]|11:18 Gunther says, "so everything I own is in the 7-10 range except for random Cheapass stuff I simply haven't thrown out"
[board-games]|11:19 Psmith says, "yikes, I own 52 games I rate 5 or under."
[board-games]|11:20 Gunther asks, "are you sure you own them?"
[board-games]|11:20 Gunther says, "collection shows everything you rated even if unowned"
[craft]|11:20 Binder says, "perhaps it's a selection bias in the materials I'm reading. Once someone develops a mastery of design, they're disinclined to opine on the subject."
[board-games]|11:20 Psmith says, "that was skipping the ones not marked "Owned"."
[board-games]|11:21 Gunther says, "garage sale time!"
[board-games]|11:21 Psmith says, "though only 19 of them are 4 or under, so."
[board-games]|11:21 Gunther says, "my lowest-ranked owned is "Punch Cards""
[board-games]|11:21 Psmith says, "the problem there would be finding the right ones. My collection is currently in storage."
[board-games]|11:22 Gunther says, "and that's literally just 10 cards"
[board-games]|11:22 Psmith says, "Crocodile Pool Party for me, at 1. I'd get rid of it if I could find anyone mug enough to take it."
[board-games]|11:22 Doug says, "I actually don't hate Crocodile Pool Party.  (but I already own it)"
[board-games]|11:23 Gunther says, "at first I thought this would be Hungry Hungry Hippo but with crocodiles"
[board-games]|11:24 Doug says, "yeah, I have a depressing number of 5-and-unders in my collection still.  I need to get more aggressive about paring down"
[board-games]|11:24 Gunther asks, "what's so bad about it?"
[lounge]|11:25 nothings goes home.
[board-games]|11:25 Psmith says, "I seem to remember it being a) boring as hell, b) ugly, and c) an almost guaranteed first-player win."
[board-games]|11:25 Doug says, "except hm, I marked a bunch if Icehouse games as owned.  I should maybe unmark the ones I don't like"
[board-games]|11:27 Psmith says, "oh, and d) overpriced."
[craft]|11:29 DavidW says, "I suspect Chris Crawford would be inclined to opine."
[board-games]|11:30 Doug says, "I need to find one of those "we'll sell your pile of stuff on eBay" agents"
[board-games]|11:30 Doug says, "I don't have the energy to ship things piecemeal, let alone run auctions"
[craft]|11:31 Binder asks (of DavidW), "is that a refutation or a confirmation of my hypothesis?"
[board-games]|11:31 Gunther says, "yea"
[board-games]|11:31 Gunther says, "I need to pack all the stuff I don't want up and bring it by the FNSLGS"
[board-games]|11:31 Gunther says, "they buy everything"
[craft]|11:31 DavidW says, "Perhaps it was an exception to prove it? :)"
[board-games]|11:32 Gunther says, "even if it doesn't make a bunch of money I'll have more space :)"
[craft]|11:32 Binder says, "Ha."
[craft]|11:33 DavidW says, "Whatever else one might say about Crawford, he does have credentials in game design, and he has also written a good number of books on the topic."
[craft]|11:34 Binder says, "Indeed, I've read one of those books."
[TV]|11:34 Gunther says, "hmm, UK Sinbad series"
[craft]|11:35 DavidW says, "oh? That's more than I've done. I imagine it was interesting, whether you agreed with his ideas or not."
[TV]|11:35 Gunther says, "with the gloriously-named Tuppence Middleton"
[board-games]|11:35 Doug says, "I really wish BGG had separate notions of "owned" vs "own the components""
[board-games]|11:36 Gunther says, "I really wish it would handle expansions entirely differently, too"
[board-games]|11:36 Doug says, "I want to be able to say "show me a random game I can play" (with filters etc) but I also want to say "how many games do I own""
[craft]|11:37 Binder says, "Absolutely. It was http://www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0131460994 and as the description alludes to, it was quite opinionated."
[board-games]|11:37 Doug says, "maybe the latter question is kind of pointless."
[craft]|11:37 DavidW says, "hm. Actually, I think I may have borrowed one from the library and read bits and pieces of it. I forget which book it was now."
[board-games]|11:38 Gunther says, "well, 'collection' does show you how many games you have, if you set 'expansions' to no"
[craft]|11:38 DavidW says, "I vaguely remember lots of black and white Mac images in the book."
[board-games]|11:41 Doug says, "right, except it counts icehouse games separately, and e.g. the Best of Dragon collection as separate games"
[board-games]|11:41 Doug says, "I could mark them as not owned, but then they wouldn't show up in "what games can I play""
[board-games]|11:42 Doug says, "I guess that's not the end of the world either though. hm."
[board-games]|11:42 Doug says, "wow, I've rated 1107 games"
[board-games]|11:43 Doug says, "and there's probably 30-40 I've played in the last couple years that I haven't rated"
[pain]|11:47 genericgeekgirl says, "My jaw really hurts today. I must have been seriously clenching/grinding my teeth last night. Oddly enough, I've been feeling less stressed these past few days."
[lounge]|11:50 inky is pretty sleuthy for a music teacher.
[lounge]|11:51 Miseri regularly eats multiples of things inky wouldn't eat more than zero of.
[lounge]|11:51 Miseri says, "Arrr"
[lounge]|11:53 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|11:53 K-Y says, "hello"
[lounge]|11:54 Gunther says, "kyyy"
[lounge]|11:54 olethros thinks, in tearstained capitals.
[lounge]|11:55 olethros says, "hellllo again"
[lounge]|11:56 Miseri says, "where have you been!"
[lounge]|11:57 olethros says, "a mountain"
[lounge]|12:01 ASchultz has arrived.
[lounge]|12:01 ASchultz goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|12:10 DavidW goes southwest to play with toys.
[books]|12:13 Gunther says, "oh man, Mark Reads"
[greece]|12:13 olethros says, "..."
[greece]|12:13 olethros | The nation?s newly installed prime minister, Antonis Samaras, and his nominee for the crucial post of finance minister ... will miss a crucial European Union summit meeting on Thursday and Friday that was intended to discuss whether to ease the terms of Greece?s bailouts conditions.
[greece]|12:13 olethros says, "way to renegotiate fuckers"
[books]|12:17 Gunther says, "well, thread title"
[lounge]|12:18 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[lounge]|12:19 * ghira has disconnected.
[lounge]|12:19 * ghira has connected.
[lounge]|12:19 ghira says, "meep"
[books]|12:20 Gunther says, "lac"
[lounge]|12:30 borowski goes southwest to play with toys.
[booze]|12:30 Allen says, "grr, I bought a 4-pack of cider yesterday. I know I only drank 2 cans of it"
[booze]|12:30 Allen says, "but I can't find the remaining cans anywhere"
[booze]|12:34 inky says, "Squeak!!"
[lounge]|12:35 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[Crafters]|12:36 Bishop has 3 of the colors for an 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' cross-stitch sampler completed.
[Crafters]|12:38 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|12:43 vimes goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|12:44 inky goes southwest to play with toys.
[booze]|12:44 Allen says, "never mind they were in the fridge, hidden next to a pickle jar in plain sight"
[booze]|12:45 genericgeekgirl says, "Aw"
[drwho]|12:45 Gunther says, "#..."
[drwho]|12:45 Gunther | 'Doctor Who' is reportedly going to shake things up with a lesbian storyline when Madame Vastra falls for the Doctor's new sidekick, played by Jenna-Louise Coleman.
[Crafters]|12:50 Bishop says (to inky), "(FWIW, this pattern really exists, and I am in fact working on one)"
[drwho]|12:50 Gunther says, "typical Doctor, getting rid of the in-laws ASAP"
[lounge]|12:52 * ghira has disconnected.
[lounge]|12:52 * ghira has connected.
[lounge]|12:52 ghira says, "meep"
[movie]|12:52 Gunther says, " http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a389264/christoper-nolan-will-never-do-another-batman-film-says-his-wife.html "
[movie]|12:52 Gunther says, "I thought he was rebooting it instantly"
[movie]|12:53 inky says, "seems unlikely it'd be him doing the reboot"
[movie]|12:54 Gunther says, "nor does it need a reboot"
[movie]|12:56 Gunther says, "like, you managed to have (probably) 3 good movies in a row, that's never happened, now STOP"
[movie]|12:56 Gunther says, "don't fuck it up again"
[movie]|12:56 Fang says, "that sounds good"
[movie]|12:57 Fang says, "yeah"
[movie]|12:58 K-Y says, "I assume the reboot is now going to be repurposed to launch the Justice League movie"
[movie]|12:59 Gunther says, "Give up, DC, Batman is your only good superhero."
[movie]|13:00 Gunther | the Justice League originally appeared with the line-up of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Aquaman, and the Martian Manhunter
[movie]|13:00 Gunther says, "I rest my case"
[movie]|13:01 K-Y says, "DC has never had filmable characters like Marvel does"
[movie]|13:02 K-Y says, "mainly because their characters are barely characters"
[movie]|13:02 Gunther glances at endless list of Superman movies
[movie]|13:03 Gunther says, "I see what you mean, though. I couldn't even tell you what Flash does except being fast"
[movie]|13:03 Gunther says, "or Green Lantern. He hates yellow, and... uh"
[movie]|13:03 Gunther says, "Aquaman we all know is pointless, and I've never even heard of the Martian Manhunter."
[movie]|13:04 Fang says, "flash is really fast though"
[movie]|13:04 ghira says, "I've only heard of the martian manhunter because he's very briefly in sandman"
[movie]|13:04 Gunther asks, "Wonder Woman is, um, Captain America with an invisible plane, a lasso, and into bondage?"
[movie]|13:04 Fang says, "IIRC, faster than the speed of light fast"
[movie]|13:04 inky says, "hmm"
[movie]|13:04 Gunther says, "Superman is the most boring character ever, and then there's Batman"
[movie]|13:04 Allen says, "but there are several flashes"
[movie]|13:04 inky says, "martian manhunter is basically superman + telepathy and shapechanging"
[movie]|13:04 ghira says, "I've only heard of aquaman in the context of people saying he's useless"
[movie]|13:04 Allen says, "one of them is a neatnik I think, and the other is lazy"
[movie]|13:04 Allen says, "something like that"
[movie]|13:05 inky says, "but weakness of fire instead of kryptonite"
[movie]|13:05 Fang says, "I feel like DC have the better villains though"
[movie]|13:05 Gunther says, "that I can get behind"
[movie]|13:05 Gunther says, "after seeing Spider-Man's shitty villains"
[movie]|13:05 Allen says (to Fang), "like the Flash's nemesis, Gorilla Grod"
[movie]|13:05 Allen says, "now there's a cool villain"
[movie]|13:05 Gunther says, "also that dude with the metal mask"
[movie]|13:06 Allen says, "he's, like, a gorilla"
[movie]|13:06 Fang says, "Marvel villains seem kinda generic, and if they are interesting, they are rapidly promoted to not be a villain any more"
[movie]|13:06 Gunther says, "from Fantastic Four"
[movie]|13:06 DavidW asks, "Dr Doom?"
[movie]|13:06 Gunther says, "possibly"
[movie]|13:07 ghira says, "Toad in the x-men seemed extra lame"
[movie]|13:07 Allen says, "he's purposely lame"
[movie]|13:07 Gunther says, "I couldn't even tell you whether X-Men is Marvel or DC"
[movie]|13:07 Fang says, "yeah, Dr Doom, Galactus, and Magneto are possibly the only interesting Marvel villains"
[movie]|13:07 Gunther says, "Marvel, then"
[movie]|13:08 Allen says, "thought not as lame as the x-dude who can change into flavored ice cream"
[movie]|13:08 Fang says, "and magneto isn't even a villain any more"
[movie]|13:08 Fang asks, "I think?"
[movie]|13:08 K-Y says, "they do that with Magneto every once in a while"
[movie]|13:08 Allen says, "but Magneto is an interesting character"
[movie]|13:09 K-Y says, "DC's villains kind of fall apart once you go beyond Batman"
[movie]|13:09 Allen says, "last year I decided to read the X-Men starting from the original 60s versions. Holy crap, they are bad"
[movie]|13:09 Fang says, "so, they should do films with Marvel heroes vs DC villains"
[movie]|13:09 K-Y says, "and realize that Superman's regular villains include 'Toyman' and 'Prankster'"
[movie]|13:09 Fang says, "haha"
[movie]|13:10 Fang says, "I didn't think Superman had any villains beyond Lex Luthor"
[movie]|13:10 Fang says, "also, Hitler"
[movie]|13:10 ghira says, "I've heard of Brainiac"
[movie]|13:10 K-Y says, "there's also a guy with a hunk of Kryptonite in his chest"
[movie]|13:10 ghira says, "but have never seen him/it in anything"
[movie]|13:10 Allen says (to Fang), "Darkseid!!"
[movie]|13:10 Gunther says, "well if you want to go down THAT avenue, the Joker sure had a lot of boners for Batman in the past"
[movie]|13:11 Allen says, "the New Gods are fun. And very very Kirby-ish"
[movie]|13:12 ghira says, "sort of related, I see there's another Dredd movie coming."
[movie]|13:12 K-Y says, "the thing about DC is that they've always been about how unequivocally awesome it is to be a superhero"
[movie]|13:12 ghira says, "Dredd has had some fun villains over the decades"
[movie]|13:12 K-Y says, "but never really got past that"
[movie]|13:12 Gunther says (to ghira), "whyyyyyyyyyyyy"
[movie]|13:12 Fang says, "I'm skeptical about the new Dredd film"
[movie]|13:12 ghira says (to gunther), "I have no idea"
[movie]|13:13 ghira says, "it does seem unwise"
[movie]|13:13 Fang says, "it seems very po-faced and serious"
[movie]|13:13 Gunther | Karl Urban ...Judge Dredd
[movie]|13:13 Allen says, "you gotta admit that DC has better cartoons than Marvel"
[movie]|13:14 Fang says, "yes"
[movie]|13:14 Gunther says, "ooh, and Cersei"
[movie]|13:14 Allen says, "though X-Men Evolution was alright at times"
[movie]|13:14 Gunther says, "well, I'm convinced"
[movie]|13:14 ghira says, "cersei was in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and didn't save that"
[movie]|13:14 Gunther says, "(honestly, can the new Dredd be worse than the old? (No))"
[movie]|13:15 Allen says, "of course, Bruce Timm is probably the single biggest reason for DC's great cartoons, though the Timm-less batman the last few years has been a lot of fun"
[movie]|13:15 Fang says, "I thought the old was cheesy fun, though"
[movie]|13:15 Fang asks, "it introduced the lawgiver pistol, right?"
[movie]|13:16 Gunther says, "I thought it was pretty awful"
[lunch]|13:16 olethros says, "I had stinging nettle soup"
[movie]|13:16 Gunther says, "he neither judged nor dredded very much"
[movie]|13:16 Fang says, "well, your tolerance for that sort of 1980s scifi schlocky cheese is probably 0.000001% of mine"
[movie]|13:17 Fang asks, "I guess you hated demolition man too?"
[movie]|13:17 Gunther says, "Demolition Man is fantastic because it's self-aware and clever"
[movie]|13:17 ghira says, "now demolition man was a quality film"
[movie]|13:17 ghira says, "the dredd movie was pretty poor"
[lunch]|13:17 olethros | In its peak season, stinging nettle contains up to 25% protein, dry weight, which is high for a leafy green vegetable
[lunch]|13:17 olethros says, "huh"
[movie]|13:17 Gunther says, "Judge Dredd is neither of those"
[lounge]|13:17 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[movie]|13:18 Gunther says, "also you are talking to the guy who usually watches two trashy SyFy movies a week"
[movie]|13:18 Fang says, "but in Judge Dredd you didn't have to see Stallone's naked butt"
[movie]|13:18 Fang says, "so it has that going for it"
[movie]|13:18 Gunther says, "maybe I want to see Stallone's naked butt!"
[movie]|13:18 Gunther says, "(I don't)"
[jobs]|13:19 ghira says, "so. I have been invited to second interview at place which said "if we call you to a second interview it will mean we're desperate""
[gayrights]|13:19 Gunther says, "awesome, Anja Paersson came out as gay"
[jobs]|13:20 Gunther says, "jack up your initial wage demands accordingly"
[jobs]|13:20 ghira says, "except that the job is about doing two things they know I've never done"
[jobs]|13:20 ghira says, ""Hi. Please pay me a lot to do stuff I know nothing about." hmm"
[jobs]|13:21 ghira says, "also this happened 2 weeks after the first interview. I suspect the other two candidates must have been even less convincing than me."
[jobs]|13:21 olethros says, "it's a learn on the job thing"
[jobs]|13:21 Gunther says, "THEY want YOU, not vice versa"
[jobs]|13:21 ghira says, "we shall see."
[jobs]|13:21 ghira says, "I'll go along."
[jobs]|13:22 ghira says, "at least it's not as crazy as the CSC job. "we've just sold millions of dollars of infiniband support to jp morgan and want to hire you to actually do it." "I've never heard of infiniband" "neither have we!""
[jobs]|13:23 ghira says, "this time the existing people do in fact do the stuff they'd notionally awnt me for"
[lounge]|13:28 Binder comes out of the closet.
[lounge]|13:28 Binder goes southwest to play with toys.
[programming]|13:33 marc says, "hmm"
[programming]|13:33 marc says, "was thinking of using fltk for a simple portable gui"
[programming]|13:33 marc says, "unfortunately, there's no c api so i'd have to write a wrapper"
[programming]|13:34 marc says, "are there any lightweight gui toolkits (other than tk) that people would recommend"
[programming]|13:34 marc says, "the only one that springs to mind that would be clean(ish) from c is gtk+, though that's pretty bulky"
[lounge]|13:35 Roger is the Samuel L. Jackson of 8 month old wolves.
[lounge]|13:35 Roger goes southwest to play with toys.
[programming]|13:37 Gunther says, "WPF *snicker*"
[programming]|13:38 marc says, "heh"
[tangent]|13:38 Roger says, "This is a pretty funny title for a blog post"
[tangent]|13:38 Roger | My Endless Quest Has Ended
[tangent]|13:41 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|13:42 marc says, "hey roger"
[rhem]|13:42 marc says, "ui is a little disorientating"
[rhem]|13:43 marc says, "think it'll take a while to get used to this style again"
[rhem]|13:45 Gunther says, "mhmm"
[rhem]|13:45 Gunther says, "it's quite oldsk00l"
[rhem]|13:47 marc says, "yeah"
[rhem]|13:47 marc says, "the corridors are the most confusing"
[rhem]|13:47 marc says, "at times i'm not sure if i've completed a 180deg turn or there's a second passage off at an angle"
[rhem]|13:48 marc says, "[answer: the latter]"
[rhem]|13:48 marc says, "i feel i'll definitely need to map this thing"
[rhem]|13:48 marc says, "especially with all the rotating passages etc."
[movie]|13:48 Roger asks, "In Time: worth bothering with?"
[climate]|13:48 olethros | Scientists warn US east coast over accelerated sea level rise
[climate]|13:48 olethros says, "apprently 30% more than other places"
[climate]|13:49 Roger says, "Tells west coast to not worry about it, run off sniggering"
[movie]|13:49 marc asks, "the justin timberlake?"
[climate]|13:49 borowski says, "Luckily, North Carolina has an answer:"
[climate]|13:49 borowski | The result is House Bill 819, a measure that would require sea level forecasts to be based on past patterns and would all but outlaw projections based on climate change data.
[movie]|13:50 Roger says, "Yeah"
[movie]|13:51 marc says, "from what i've heard it's okay but a bit of a cop out"
[climate]|13:51 maga says, "Your house is not, in fact, under water. Continue inhabiting, citizen."
[movie]|13:51 marc says, "(thematically)"
[movie]|13:51 Roger says, "Yeah hrm"
[climate]|13:51 olethros says, "this is not a forecast, ubt a measurement"
[movie]|13:52 Roger says, "Other options I'm considering: Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy"
[climate]|13:52 olethros asks, "and aren't sea level forecast always based on past patterns ?"
[movie]|13:52 Gunther | previously titled Now and I'm.mortal
[movie]|13:52 Gunther says, "-> no"
[movie]|13:52 Gunther says, "watch TTSS, it is awesome"
[climate]|13:52 ghira asks, "if the past patterns show an upward trend you're ok then?"
[movie]|13:52 Roger says, "Well okay then"
[climate]|13:52 olethros says, "I think they say 'you must use a linear fit'"
[climate]|13:52 Roger says, "It's sort of weird to report on sea level change anyway.  Since, you know, it's always at sea level."
[climate]|13:52 borowski says, "I think the issue is whether to make forecasts based on increasing population and increasing greenhouse gases."
[weather]|13:53 Doug says, "ok, it is a ridiculously nice day today.  I feel guilty for not doing anything."
[climate]|13:53 Roger says, "So report on topology change instead."
[weather]|13:53 Roger says, "It's the suxxor here, so do something for me too."
[weather]|13:53 Doug asks, "like what?"
[weather]|13:54 inky says, "sun-bathe"
[weather]|13:55 Doug says, "I sat in the park for a bit, but I was in the shade"
[movie]|13:55 Gunther reads plot summary. Deffo no
[movie]|13:55 marc says, "heh"
[movie]|14:01 marc says, "yep, fixed"
[movie]|14:01 marc says, "ilac"
[bacon]|14:13 Doug | Two Volunteers needed today--- paid in BACON
[lounge]|14:14 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[i-am-an-idiot]|14:15 K-Y says, "I keep saving phone numbers in individual text files"
[i-am-an-idiot]|14:16 Gunther says, "phonenumber.name"
[i-am-an-idiot]|14:16 K-Y says, "however, no matter what I do, I can't convince myself to write down who it is"
[i-am-an-idiot]|14:16 K-Y says, "so every once in a while I look at the stack of 'phone.txt' and 'number.txt's and despair"
[i-am-an-idiot]|14:17 Ryan says, "Good use of channel."
[i-am-an-idiot]|14:18 Doug says, "darn, I thought http://phonenumber.name was going to be something"
[i-am-an-idiot]|14:20 Gunther says, "also good use of channel"
[i-am-an-idiot]|14:20 Gunther says, "(sorry)"
[i-am-an-idiot]|14:23 Gerynar generally avoids typing in this channel, because he's afraid everyone's gonna tell him what a good use of this channel is, everytime he's active in it.
[i-am-an-idiot]|14:24 Gunther says, "good use o...."
[lounge]|14:25 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[lounge]|14:25 Gerynar says, "got customers showing up. time to get back to 'work'"
[lounge]|14:25 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|14:25 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]|14:25 Doug asks, "Where does Gerynar 'work'?"
[lounge]|14:26 Gunther says, "mobile phone store, I think"
[too-many-channels]|14:28 Doug says, "heh, #cricket's topic is (presumably) eleven years old"
[greece]|14:30 * Doug has joined the channel.
[too-many-channels]|14:32 Psmith says, "hmm, it has no pope. Presumably used to be ddyte."
[lounge]|14:35 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|14:35 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|14:35 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|14:35 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|14:36 Hugo enters, enthusiastically enraptured by the ensuing entropy. Whatever that means.
[lounge]|14:36 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|14:36 * Marktwo has connected.
[lounge]|14:41 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[lounge]|14:41 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|14:41 * Hugo has disconnected.
[lounge]|14:48 vimes happens to be an Exchange Server Administrator for a living.  You really need to clean up your lounge.
[lounge]|14:48 maga enters the lounge. Thumps and penitent shrieks follow.
[lounge]|14:51 Jearl's name is based on some misunderstanding of a 19th century catalog of 12th century music.
[lounge]|14:51 Jearl says, "hello"
[lounge]|14:51 vimes says, "greets"
[lounge]|14:52 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|14:52 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|14:54 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[workplace]|14:55 Gerynar says, "work is boring when there are no customers for hours at a time"
[lounge]|14:59 Grocible enters the lounge.
[lounge]|14:59 (From Grocible) Alex says (to Grocible), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that you are Grocible, and I claim my five cork nuts!"
[lounge]|15:00 Grocible says, "thanks, Alex"
[lounge]|15:03 Hugo: is he in the lounge or not?   Yes [ ]   No  [ ]
[lounge]|15:03 (From Hugo) (This poll (c) 2012 by cnn.com)
[MacOS]|15:04 Hugo says, "The Mac App Store kinda sucks for users of applications that update frequently (and are available elsewhere)."
[MacOS]|15:05 vimes says, "yep!"
[MacOS]|15:06 Hugo says, "I have someone who brought a cosmetic glitch to my attention, so I can fix it and update it today, but he's going to wait 7-10 days until someone at Apple decides it's okay for him to have it."
[lounge]|15:07 boucher 3:16 says I JUST ENTERED YOUR LOUNGE.
[lounge]|15:08 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[lounge]|15:08 * ghira has disconnected.
[lounge]|15:08 * ghira has connected.
[lounge]|15:08 ghira says, "meep"
[lounge]|15:08 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|15:08 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]|15:08 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[lounge]|15:08 Ellison says, "hey all"
[lounge]|15:09 Hugo says, "Well well well.  Look who came crawling back."
[lounge]|15:11 Ellison says, "doing anything more than a crawl is just showing off"
[lounge]|15:11 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|15:11 * Hugo has disconnected.
[lounge]|15:13 Hugo Hugo Hugo! He gonna getcha! He gonna SUCK YOU DRAH!
[lounge]|15:13 Hugo says, "Oops, I guess it's me."
[lounge]|15:13 Ellison says, "heh"
[lounge]|15:14 Hugo says, "I have no pride."
[lounge]|15:15 Ellison says, "well, you know what pride gets you? eaten! by lions!"
[lounge]|15:15 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|15:15 * Hugo has disconnected.
[lounge]|15:20 Grocible says, "whats eating hugo"
[lounge]|15:21 Ellison says, "heh"
[lounge]|15:23 Hugo was a virgin, though few people knew.
[lounge]|15:23 Hugo asks, "We have a lot of smart, programmy sorts of people on here, don't we?  Why isn't someone making a brilliant, cross-platform, ifMUD-specific mud client?"
[lounge]|15:24 marc says, "there were chats about that in #mud-clients a while back"
[lounge]|15:24 Hugo says, "I have no time for 'a while back'!"
[lounge]|15:24 marc says, "dave has an idea for a zoom-to-tab client, quite interesting"
[lounge]|15:24 Grocible says, "when I was in Amsterdam in my shitty hotel, I mudded from my phone"
[lounge]|15:24 Grocible says, "it was slow and painful"
[lounge]|15:24 Hugo says, "My inlaws' internet connection sucks today!"
[lounge]|15:25 Hugo says, "I'll have to ask them if this really interferes with their mudding."
[lounge]|15:25 marc says, "for sucky connections, ssh+{screen,tmux}+{tf,...} is a good combo"
[lounge]|15:25 boucher says, "I happen to be using a very alpha (so alpha, it has things specific to me hardcoded in, sorry) client right now"
[lounge]|15:25 marc says (to hugo), "ha ha"
[lounge]|15:26 marc says, "'zoom-to-tab' is a bad description -- basically (as far as i understand dave's idea / remember it correctly) you'd get the standard linear view plus an option to slurp a channel into its own tab"
[lounge]|15:26 marc says, "i played with one channel per tab, wasn't pleasant to use"
[kickstarter]|15:26 Gunther | A dramatic tale that begins with the innocent but ultimately dangerous flirtations between a SS Officer and a Jewish violinist.
[kickstarter]|15:26 Gunther says, "I'm incredibly pleased this is still 0% funded"
[kickstarter]|15:27 marc says, "man"
[lounge]|15:27 DorianX says, "Mosh is probably good for a sucky connection too"
[lounge]|15:27 marc says (to dorianx), "yeah, i guess it's a bit better as you don't get the ssh lag"
[lounge]|15:27 marc says, "for input, anyway"
[lounge]|15:27 Ellison says, "yeah, it's funny how some people are pretty oblivious to how sporadic their internet is"
[lounge]|15:27 DorianX says, "Thoguh I've had mosh do weird screen corruption"
[lounge]|15:28 DorianX says (to ellison), "well, most internet stuff is kind of inherently bursty"
[lounge]|15:28 DorianX says, "The woods is on fire behind my parents house"
[kickstarter]|15:29 Fang says, "I'm imagining a romeo and juliet knock-off"
[kickstarter]|15:29 Fang says, "ending with both dying, and the nazis and the jews finally agreeing to co-exist"
[kickstarter]|15:29 Gunther | An epic, touching and moving tale that  is a cross between The Pianist by Roman Polanski and Life is Beautiful by Roberto Benigni.
[kickstarter]|15:29 Gunther says, "two movies I could not hate more if they were Alone in the Dark"
[kickstarter]|15:30 Fang says, "huh"
[lounge]|15:30 boucher says, "It has autoreconnect, optional channel tabification either of recently active channels or any newly active channels or manually, auto-recap and integration into the log, line timestamping, tab timestamping, text to speech on a global or per-tab basis, highlighting of tabs when they get new activity...I'm actually slowing down on adding new features and trying to get some of the bugs out."
[kickstarter]|15:30 Fang says, "I get why you'd have LiB"
[kickstarter]|15:30 Fang asks, "why the Pianist?"
[kickstarter]|15:30 Gunther says, "why the pianist? Adrien Brody."
[lounge]|15:30 marc says (to boucher), "hey cool"
[kickstarter]|15:30 Gunther says, "fuck him forever"
[kickstarter]|15:30 Fang asks, "?"
[lounge]|15:30 boucher says, "The biggest lingering bug, currently, is really silly but I just can't fix it properly."
[lounge]|15:31 boucher says, "Sometimes tabs will get stuck and stop scrolling down as new lines are added."
[lounge]|15:31 boucher says, "So you have to scroll them down manually to get them to do so again"
[lounge]|15:32 DorianX says, "They are wetting down the house now"
[lounge]|15:33 Hugo says, "So basically it turns ifMUD into an IRC server."
[lounge]|15:34 boucher says, "Pretty much.  I was aiming for a cross between mIRC and Pueblo"
[lounge]|15:34 Hugo asks, "Does it support DCC?"
[lounge]|15:34 marc asks, "didn't someone have a working irc bridge?"
[lounge]|15:34 boucher says, "Hah, no"
[lounge]|15:34 Gunther says, "someone had an AIM bridge which was terrible"
[lounge]|15:34 DorianX says, "Man. I wanted to get my toys out of their attic"
[lounge]|15:34 boucher asks, "Do we want to create #filebombs so people can @paste huge lines of MIME-encoded files?"
[lounge]|15:35 Hugo says, "That sounds like a great idea."
[people-suk]|15:35 Gunther says, "jesus christ is there any conversation DX will not obliviously stomp over"
[lounge]|15:35 Hugo says, "I would recommend doing exactly that."
[lounge]|15:35 marc says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|15:35 marc says (to dx), "crikey"
[lounge]|15:35 Gunther says, "I'd call it #ffccee"
[lounge]|15:37 DorianX says, "They hasve been evacuated"
[lounge]|15:37 DorianX says, "ANd are coming here."
[cabal]|15:38 Grocible says, "Hugo: the Kubrick estate is holding its annual local mini arts festival the week after next if you're interested"
[cabal]|15:38 Grocible says, "you know, bring the kid by for fface painting, etc"
[cabal]|15:40 Hugo says, "kid x 2"
[cabal]|15:40 Hugo says, "And as long as I get to be drunk for the plane ride over."
[cabal]|15:40 Grocible says, "sorry x2"
[cabal]|15:41 Grocible says, "well they have those fashionable ziptie restraints now"
[lounge]|15:41 boucher says, "Wow, hope it doesn't spread any further."
[cabal]|15:41 Hugo says, "Well, I could leave one behind.  That would be quieter."
[cabal]|15:41 Hugo says, "Although the little guy flies for free."
[cabal]|15:41 Hugo says, "The bad father is faced with so many decisions."
[lounge]|15:42 boucher asks, "Where do they live?"
[cabal]|15:42 Grocible says, "the choices are infinite"
[cabal]|15:42 Grocible says, "you could bring a list of questions to annoy the Kubricks iwth"
[cabal]|15:42 Hugo says, "Could I ever!"
[cabal]|15:42 Hugo says, "A list of questions and criticisms."
[cabal]|15:44 Grocible says, "and they'd be like, oh great. Another one"
[lounge]|15:44 Fang says, "yikes, fire"
[lounge]|15:44 Fang asks, "are they insured?"
[cabal]|15:45 Hugo says, "I'd walk around the whole time with the Eyes Wide Shut piano riff playing on my phone."
[cabal]|15:45 Grocible says, "beats Also Sprach Zarathustra"
[cabal]|15:46 Grocible says, "or you could wear your favourite monkey costume"
[cabal]|15:46 Grocible says, "and carry a plastic bone"
[cabal]|15:46 Hugo says, "A...okay, sure, it could be a plastic one."
[lounge]|15:47 boucher asks, "And if not, can they meet with an agent really quickly as they enact a farce in which they pretend their house isn't on fire while they try to hurry the process along?"
[cabal]|15:47 Grocible says, "well there's airport security"
[cabal]|15:47 Grocible says, "I wonder if Kubrick read the Mad magazine version of 2001"
[lounge]|15:47 Gunther says, "at least it's not your in-laws"
[lounge]|15:47 Gunther says, "with whom you get along like, yes, a house..."
[cabal]|15:47 Grocible says, "I always thought it was great how kids never got to see grownup films, but would know them through the Mad magazine satires"
[lounge]|15:48 Gunther says, "CSB"
[lounge]|15:48 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[cabal]|15:49 Hugo says, "I probably didn't read enough Mad Magazine."
[cabal]|15:49 Grocible says, "sad"
[movie]|15:49 Grocible says, "so I liked the new wes anderson film"
[movie]|15:50 Hugo says, "I would see it, I guess."
[movie]|15:50 inky asks, "you liked it enough to recommend it, you mean?"
[movie]|15:51 Hugo says, "I would've jumped to see it a few years ago."
[movie]|15:51 Hugo says, "But then there was Steve Zissou."
[movie]|15:51 Hugo says, "And the train thing, which I turned off when I couldn't take it anymore."
[movie]|15:51 inky says, "I think the life aquatic is the only one of his I've seen, but I thought it was great"
[lounge]|15:52 Gunther's voice is husky, like dark melted chocolate fudge caramel... or something.
[movie]|15:53 Gunther says, "I saw that and I have no idea what the hell"
[movie]|15:53 Gunther says, "(Zissou)"
[movie]|15:54 Grocible says, "life aquatic was the only other anderson flick I've seen"
[movie]|15:54 Grocible says, "I liked it quite a bit too"
[movie]|15:54 Hugo says, "More importantly, has this been covered?  The Judge Dredd film is called 'Dredd'.  I have no interest in Judge Dredd whatsoever, and nothing invested, but that's stupid."
[movie]|15:54 Hugo says, "What?  You people!"
[movie]|15:54 Grocible says, "there were bits I felt that didn't work, but he's doing his own idiosyncratic thing. and I respect him for that"
[movie]|15:55 Hugo asks, "You haven't seen Bottle Rocket?  Rushmore?  The Royal Tenenbaums?"
[movie]|15:55 Grocible says, "No"
[movie]|15:55 Grocible says, "No"
[movie]|15:55 Grocible says, "No"
[movie]|15:55 ghira says (to hugo), "I have some investment in Judge Dredd given that I started buying 2000AD when it first came out, but I don't expect this film to be anything special."
[movie]|15:55 Hugo says, "I try to help you people."
[movie]|15:55 ghira says, "i've seen The Royal Tenenbaums. very odd."
[movie]|15:55 Hugo says, "I really do."
[movie]|15:56 Grocible says, "Anderson is the anti-me when it comes to framing static scenes"
[movie]|15:56 Grocible says, "he's so big on symmetry"
[movie]|15:56 ghira says, "eww. i saw fantastic mr fox on a plane, I think."
[movie]|15:56 boucher says, "If nothing else, the 1995 movie gave me pleasure in seeing Rob Schneider make fun of Sylvester Stallone's voice."
[mud-updates]|15:57 inky says, "I assume you looked into this stuff -- http://www.abhisheksur.com/2010/03/try-text-to-speech-for-your-application.html "
[mud-updates]|15:57 inky says, "since this makes it look pretty easy"
[movie]|15:58 boucher says, "It's fairly hard to approximate in text.  'Ah ehm da laeuw!'"
[lounge]|15:58 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|15:58 * Hugo has disconnected.
[jobs]|15:58 ghira says, "feh. creative writing homework (i.e. timesheets for work) need to be done by midnight on sunday, as usual."
[jobs]|15:58 ghira says, "I shall allocate great slabs of "training" as I am doing cisco exams at the request of work."
[movie]|15:59 Grocible says, "I can totally see why a lot of people would be turned off by anderson"
[movie]|15:59 Grocible says, "but it mostly works for me, at least in those two films"
[mud-updates]|15:59 boucher says, "Ah, I will look into this.  This is easier than last time I searched this topic."
[movie]|16:00 Grocible says, "like I'm about his age. And I remember reading books on things like research ships like Cousteau's, and seeing these cross-section paintings and stuff"
[movie]|16:00 Grocible says, "so I go see steve zissou"
[movie]|16:00 Grocible says, "and he's built a fucking SET"
[movie]|16:00 Grocible says, "that's a WHOLE CROSS-SECTION OF A SHIP"
[movie]|16:00 Grocible says, "and moves the camera around outside it"
[lounge]|16:00 Hugo, in the space of one anecdote, had become the sort of person who kept a microscope in his dorm room and decorated the walls with fungal family trees he drew himself. (He also plays the banjo.)
[mud-updates]|16:00 boucher says, "Aha, it's .NET 3.0 ... I think the code I cut and pasted was from 2.0 era"
[movie]|16:00 Grocible says, "while people do stuff inside"
[movie]|16:00 Grocible says, "and I'm like whoooooooah"
[movie]|16:00 Grocible says, "that's like the perfect 9 year old boy fantasy!"
[mud-updates]|16:00 boucher says, "Thanks!"
[movie]|16:00 Grocible says, "but I can see why many people wouldn't find that interesting"
[mud-updates]|16:01 inky says, "awesome"
[movie]|16:01 Hugo says (to Groc), "He is pretty...formal."
[mud-updates]|16:01 boucher says, "Though I bet this namespace is also unimplemented in Mono, so still no help for portability."
[mud-updates]|16:01 inky says, "also, obviously even if you use something OS-specific, it could presumably be stubbed or replaced on other OSes"
[mud-updates]|16:01 inky says, "yeah"
[movie]|16:01 Grocible asks, "formal?: you think?"
[movie]|16:02 Grocible says, "there's a certain style that he asks of his actors"
[movie]|16:02 Grocible says, "it's totally unrealistic"
[mud-updates]|16:02 boucher says, "MarkTwo is also .NET, and I was trying to port him...would seem simple, right?  He doesn't even have a local interface to speak of.  Just net code and a little bit of database work."
[mud-updates]|16:02 boucher says, "But I ran him through a tool to check Mono compatibility and was left with *hundreds* of errors to fix."
[mud-updates]|16:02 inky says, "hunh, crazy"
[mud-updates]|16:03 inky asks, "is it possible some of them were of the kind "you wrote this for .net 2.0 [or whatever], and the current non-deprecated way to do it is X"?"
[lounge]|16:03 Grocible says, "aw fuck"
[lounge]|16:03 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|16:03 * Hugo has disconnected.
[lounge]|16:03 Grocible says, "Elizabeth Fraser is playing the Southbank!"
[lounge]|16:03 Grocible says, "but seems to be sold out :("
[mud-updates]|16:03 Gunther says (to boucher), "1) opensource, 2) release, 3) autoresponder "fix it yourself, it's open source""
[lounge]|16:04 olethros thinks, in tearstained capitals.
[mud-updates]|16:04 boucher says, "Nah, they were like, 'Mono doesn't even know what this is and you might look at using something else we're guessing at instead, but it won't be a simple search and replace.'"
[mud-updates]|16:04 inky says, "bummer"
[mud-updates]|16:04 boucher says, "A few were due to another library I was using that I'm fairly sure I can find a drop-in replacement for on whatever platform I'm on."
[lounge]|16:05 Grocible says, "London is so awesome for me to wallow in teenage nostalgia"
[mud-updates]|16:05 boucher says, "But yeah, it's pretty hard in practice to make portable .NET code, even if they say it's possible."
[mud-updates]|16:07 inky says, "too bad"
[google]|16:08 DorianX asks, "is there a way to get a url for a location on a google map?"
[google]|16:08 inky says, "yeah"
[google]|16:08 inky says, "there's a sort of chain-link icon on the top left"
[kickstarter]|16:08 Gunther says, " http://www.indiegogo.com/Coma "
[google]|16:08 inky says, "next to the printer icon"
[kickstarter]|16:09 inky says, "ZZZ"
[kickstarter]|16:09 K-Y says, "huh, I guess if Textfire were done today it might have been a Kickstarter instead"
[videogames]|16:09 Gunther says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0i9EqkxGHc "
[kickstarter]|16:09 Gunther says, "if you mean textfyre, it was"
[kickstarter]|16:10 inky says, "hmm, interesting"
[kickstarter]|16:10 K-Y says, "I mean Textfire"
[google]|16:10 DorianX says, "That seems to be the place you searched for and does not notice if you've scrolled the map"
[kickstarter]|16:10 Gunther asks, "the 12 april fool demos?"
[kickstarter]|16:10 K-Y says, "yes"
[google]|16:10 inky says, "hunh, I thought it gave you the current settings"
[kickstarter]|16:10 Gunther says, "in that case: wha"
[kickstarter]|16:10 K-Y says, "(I still associate 'Coma' with that)"
[movie]|16:10 Grocible says, "huh. Moonrise Kingdom was shot 16mm"
[kickstarter]|16:10 K-Y says, "(as well as the premise)"
[videogames]|16:11 Gunther says, "it's like the vending machine, minus Morricone, plus LA Noire"
[videogames]|16:15 Gunther says, "but never mind that, woo mcpixel"
[lounge]|16:16 DorianX says, " https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212495418172959953194.0004c33d74b938bc6e52b&msa=0&ll=38.890271,-76.34896&spn=0.000835,0.000841 "
[lounge]|16:16 DorianX says, "Location of fire is approximate"
[videogames]|16:17 boucher says, "They built partners more sturdily back then"
[videogames]|16:21 boucher asks, "Hmm...so it's sort of a PC graphic adventure injokey WarioWare?"
[videogames]|16:22 Gunther says, "kinda"
[videogames]|16:22 Gunther says, "stuff explodes every <= 20 seconds"
[videogames]|16:23 Gunther says, "until you make it not explode"
[weather]|16:23 K-Y says, "somehow, people are managing to have a Twitter conversation about the local weather via this app"
[videogames]|16:23 Gunther says, " http://mcpixel.net has a demo"
[videogames]|16:24 boucher says, "Right, but I have the general gist.  Many minigames, each themed, with a 'right thing to do' quickly."
[videogames]|16:25 boucher says, "Or a wrong thing to do, resulting in explosion, which I suppose is also part of the fun"
[videogames]|16:25 Gunther says, "multiple wrong things, usually"
[videogames]|16:26 K-Y says, "bah, Mortal Kombat reference"
[dogs]|16:28 vimes says, "dear frodo: you're really thirsty.  you should have a drink.  chewing on your fuzzy toy is not having a drink."
[videogames]|16:30 boucher says, "Okay, their website took a while to soak in, but it wins for randomness"
[videogames]|16:30 boucher says, "The upcoming platforms and review quotes in particular."
[lounge]|16:33 Firion likes you, yeah he likes you, and you can see his name now if you type "who".
[lounge]|16:33 Firion goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|16:33 Firion arrives from the Toyshop, pursued by a Stomper 4x4.
[videogames]|16:42 Gunther sends in bug report, gets reply 30 seconds later
[lounge]|16:42 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[lounge]|16:43 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[videogames]|16:43 K-Y says, "the reply is also an explosion"
[videogames]|16:43 Gunther says, "how did you know"
[videogames]|16:44 boucher says, "Well, got the reward for getting all the gags"
[videogames]|16:44 boucher says, "That was...not worth it."
[videogames]|16:45 boucher says, "Oh what am I saying...it was totally..."
[videogames]|16:45 boucher says, "Not worth it"
[videogames]|16:45 Gunther says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|16:45 Gunther says, "I already forgot what it was"
[videogames]|16:45 boucher says, "PS3"
[lounge]|16:46 Yuri arrives from the east.
[videogames]|16:50 boucher says (to Gunther), "I have to say, your recent DX:HR links have spawned a reinterest in the game"
[videogames]|16:51 boucher says, "I shared your links of the vending machine run as well as the Elias Toufexis interviews"
[videogames]|16:52 boucher says, "Suddenly, my Steam friendlist lights up with DX:HR"
[videogames]|16:52 boucher says, "It seems everyone's replaying now"
[videogames]|16:53 Gunther says, "as everyone goes for a 100% vending machine run"
[videogames]|16:53 boucher says, "This is why, as I said on #webtv, I *don't* cultivate a fandom"
[videogames]|16:53 boucher says, "Because I fear it's all too easy"
[videogames]|16:53 boucher says, "Then I end up drunk and abusive on Twitter"
[videogames]|16:53 boucher says, "And nobody wants that."
[jendoodle]|16:53 jenrexrode says, "okay I guess I won't be jumping in that hole in the floor anymore, we got it closed up."
[videogames]|16:54 Gunther says, "except the girls oh wait"
[videogames]|16:55 boucher says, "People trust me for some strange reason I can't fathom.  When I tell them a game is good, they go buy it.  Then I have to suffer the consequences when Gunther says, 'Hey, that really sucked.  Why did I believe you?'"
[lounge]|16:55 Ellison says, "later!"
[lounge]|16:56 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|16:56 * Ellison has disconnected.
[videogames]|16:56 boucher says, "So if I tell everyone to go do something horrible, in a Spoonyish fit, I fear waking up to find everyone has taken my advice and done it..."
[videogames]|16:57 boucher says, "Something like buying the gold collector's re-release of Daikatana"
[videogames]|16:57 Gunther says, "nobody can be that drunk"
[jendoodle]|16:57 inky says, "aw"
[jendoodle]|16:58 jenrexrode says, "well it didn't go to Narnia..."
[videogames]|16:58 K-Y says, "this *is* the whole staring into the abyss deal"
[videogames]|17:00 Gunther says (to boucher), "having to deal with "fans" and haters is probably worse"
[lounge]|17:02 Firion goes home.
[whiz-games]|17:02 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]|17:03 Whizzard says, "Saw Brave, it was pretty good."
[videogames]|17:03 boucher says, "If in such a position, I would probably just try to go to my happy place and pretend both didn't exist, and that I was just a guy in a vacuum who occasionally did stuff"
[videogames]|17:03 Gunther says, "you can of course do that by disabling all commenting and rating on youtubr"
[videogames]|17:04 Gunther says, "e"
[videogames]|17:04 boucher says, "If my ego or identity relies on others, it's very unstable by nature"
[videogames]|17:04 boucher says, "I'm an only child.  I've learned to rely on myself for a long time now, and I cultivate friendships and relationships very carefully if at all"
[videogames]|17:04 Gunther says, "there are certainly several groups who give nil fucks about what anyone thinks of them"
[videogames]|17:06 boucher says, "So I'm pretty thick-skinned in a way, but the one thing I do care about is that people know who I am.  If they love or hate me for who I am, fine.  But if they misunderstand me, or misinterpret my actions, I go into a sort of fit until I can make them understand"
[videogames]|17:06 boucher says, "finger Parsergirl"
[videogames]|17:06 Gunther says, "uh oh there you go"
[videogames]|17:06 boucher says, "Sorry, there was a slip of my new mudclient"
[videogames]|17:07 boucher says, "She was the last mudder I recall having a major misunderstanding with"
[videogames]|17:07 boucher says, "And it really wounded me until I resolved it"
[videogames]|17:07 boucher says, "Because I didn't like being thought of incorrectly"
[videogames]|17:07 boucher says, "She's not around as much anymore, as I just confirmed"
[videogames]|17:08 K-Y says, "personally, I rely on others in a different sense"
[videogames]|17:08 K-Y says, "as moderating influences"
[videogames]|17:08 inky says, "time to talk K-Y down off the pinball ledge again"
[videogames]|17:08 Gunther says, "don"
[videogames]|17:09 Gunther says, "sigh"
[videogames]|17:09 Gunther says, "don't come closer or I'll tilt"
[videogames]|17:09 inky says, "hee hee"
[videogames]|17:09 boucher says, "Oh, mudders have given me good advice before.  Usually not things I haven't already known in my heart, but maybe have been avoiding thinking about or been suppressing for some reason."
[videogames]|17:10 boucher says, "But generally, I try to be strong on my own...I share not necessarily because I need advice or because I expect some great insight.  Just to feel less alone when I'm in a bad time."
[lounge]|17:11 Miseri is very disappointed in you.  Earlier, he may have ransacked your office, but he is *very* disappointed in you.
[videogames]|17:12 K-Y says, "this is exactly what I'm talking about"
[videogames]|17:12 K-Y says, "I used to have this stoic belief in this"
[videogames]|17:13 boucher says, "Stoic is a really resonant word.  It really describes me, or at least how I used to be."
[videogames]|17:15 boucher says, "I was almost Vulcan in my belief that I could overcome any negative outcomes of my emotions with pure sensibility and self-control."
[videogames]|17:18 boucher says, "Beyond that, I was careful and judgmental of showing anything, even excitement, for fear it would tip my hand and make me vulnerable.  It was seen as the usual cyncical teenage aloofness when I was younger, but it really was deeper and continued well through my 20's.  I avoided a lot of things typical teenagers accept, and stayed walled in."
[videogames]|17:19 boucher says, "Some of you guys have known me long enough to have at least sampled some of that."
[videogames]|17:20 boucher says, "It probably helped me here, because I started by lurking, the best way for a newb on ifMUD to start."
[videogames]|17:20 boucher says, "But I did that in life too"
[lounge]|17:29 DorianX says, " http://pasadena.patch.com/articles/smoke-from-kent-island-brush-fire-wafts-into-anne-arundel-county "
[hardware]|17:30 GDorn says, "I want to put together a 2+ TB raid 5 array on my linux fileserver, with as little effort as possible."
[hardware]|17:30 GDorn says, "external enclosures are fine, possibly preferable."
[hardware]|17:31 GDorn asks, "is there a thing I can throw three drives into, have the striping occur in hardware, connect to the server over eSATA and not spend an arm and a leg on?"
[lounge]|17:33 DavidW materializes out from a silver haze in the light.
[lounge]|17:33 DorianX says, "Great. Information is available on facebook"
[lounge]|17:34 jenrexrode says, "haha'"
[hardware]|17:34 DorianX says, "Rosewill makes a pretty good PCI SATA RAID card"
[hardware]|17:34 DorianX says, "I used software RAID because I did not want to be tied to the hardware"
[hardware]|17:35 DorianX says, "I mean, the answer to your question is "a computer" but my experience is that there isn't a cheap way to get a computer that can acomodate that many drives"
[hardware]|17:35 GDorn says, "I don't mind being tied to the hardware if the hardware performs well and is stable."
[hardware]|17:36 DorianX says, "Like, in my server one of the drives is just bungeed to the bottom of the case"
[hardware]|17:36 GDorn says, "I don't have a problem with space, I just would rather have hot-swappable drive bays"
[hardware]|17:36 GDorn says, "this CineRAID might be a decent compromise, if the linux drivers don't suck:"
[hardware]|17:36 GDorn | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816856039
[hardware]|17:38 DorianX says, "So the rosewill card only has 2 estata ports but I assume you can divert the internal ones somehow"
[hardware]|17:38 Gunther says, "I have a dedicated NAS -- Patriot Javelin"
[hardware]|17:39 Gunther says, "4 bays, all imaginable protocols"
[hardware]|17:39 GDorn says (to Gunther), "like this?  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822219006 "
[hardware]|17:39 Gunther says, "yep"
[hardware]|17:39 DorianX asks (of gunther), "isn't your NAS from a discontinued line where the company got bvought and replaced it with a terrible piece of hardware thatwe expensive?"
[hardware]|17:40 Gunther says, "very happy with it. It's extremely quiet"
[hardware]|17:40 GDorn says, "that really does RAID 5 in hardware?  maybe the price has finally come down in this market."
[hardware]|17:40 Gunther says, "and lets you turn off *all* the LEDs"
[hardware]|17:40 Gunther says, "raid 5, raid 5+1, 0, 1, and 0+1"
[hardware]|17:40 GDorn asks, "this looks basically perfect.  how does it present to the OS?"
[hardware]|17:40 Gunther says, "possibly it does RAIDing in the OS, I'm not sure"
[hardware]|17:41 Gunther says (to GDorn), "any number of shares + iTunes media server + DLNA"
[hardware]|17:41 Gunther says, "NFS shares that is"
[hardware]|17:41 GDorn says, "I'd be more impressed with DLNA if it weren't for the fact that every client everywhere sucks balls."
[hardware]|17:41 GDorn says, "including the PS3."
[hardware]|17:42 Gunther says, "the manual should be online"
[hardware]|17:42 Gunther says, "oh, and you can use/write plugins. httpd, mysql, bittorrent are included+"
[hardware]|17:43 Gunther says, " http://patriotmemory.com/support/driversp.jsp?source=1068 "
[hardware]|17:43 GDorn asks, "I guess the telling question is, can you set it up with Raid 5 and then migrate it to a different computer without installing drivers?"
[hardware]|17:43 Gunther says, "it uses ethernet. no drivers."
[hardware]|17:44 GDorn says, "oh, huh."
[hardware]|17:44 Gunther says, "or USB I think. Never tried that"
[hardware]|17:44 GDorn says, "the downside there is that to stream basically anything to the PS3, you need to transcode."
[hardware]|17:45 Gunther says, "on my gbit ethernet I can stream supported stuff directly without delays"
[hardware]|17:45 GDorn says, "so my plan was to put ps3mediaserver on my linux box and use it to transcode"
[hardware]|17:45 Gunther says, "so I suppose you'd go nas -> linux box -> ps3"
[lounge]|17:45 Doug says, "csb"
[hardware]|17:46 Gunther says, "or turn ps3mediaserver into a plugin on the device"
[lounge]|17:46 Doug asks, "Hm, does it print a message when I reconnect from a different machine?"
[lounge]|17:46 Gunther says, "yes"
[lounge]|17:47 Doug says, "doesn't show up in #lounge"
[lounge]|17:47 Gunther | </Doug> Doug has disconnected from ifMUD. <Doug> Doug has connected to ifMUD.
[hardware]|17:47 GDorn says, "that's quickly failing the 'as little effort as possible' test"
[lounge]|17:47 Doug says, "Ah, I guess those are global"
[lounge]|17:47 Gunther says, "(on 2 lines of course)"
[lounge]|17:47 marc says, "no olounge though"
[hardware]|17:47 Gunther says, "well, think of it as a huge external drive"
[lounge]|17:47 Doug says, "Would be nice to be able to just be connected twice, and keep scrollback on both"
[lounge]|17:48 Gunther says, "alt account ;)"
[lounge]|17:48 marc asks, "reattach a session?"
[hardware]|17:51 GDorn says, "huh.  I guess my linux box is capable of gigabit ethernet.  If I put them on a cheap gigabit switch together, that'd probably be good enough.  So long as linux didn't periodically flip its shit and dismount the networked drive..."
[lounge]|17:55 Lionheart makes no law abridging the freedom of s***ch, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to ***emble, and to pe***ion the government for a redress of grievances.
[lounge]|17:55 Lionheart goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|17:55 Lionheart arrives from the Toyshop, pursued by a Stomper 4x4.
[lounge]|17:56 Binder arrives from the Toyshop, Battleship pieces protruding from every orifice.
[lounge]|17:56 Binder enters the closet to the north.
[lounge]|17:57 inky arrives from the Toyshop, landing in a heap after being flung from the Sit 'n' Spin.
[lounge]|17:57 inky says, "whoops"
[lounge]|18:01 BrenBarn busta.
[lounge]|18:04 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[videogames]|18:16 Doug asks, "so, Dear Esther.  I played it for a while, got bored.  Does it get more interesting?"
[videogames]|18:16 Gunther says, "not that I found"
[videogames]|18:16 Doug says, "the reviews seem to all focus on the question of whether it's a game or not, and praise the experience and visuals.  but they don't seem to talk about whether the story is interesting or not."
[videogames]|18:17 Doug asks, "I mean if there were a hundred other wander-around-a-beaufitul-environment-hearing-bits-of-story games, would this stand out?"
[videogames]|18:17 Doug asks, "or is it just the novelty that people are responding to?"
[videogames]|18:18 Gunther says, "I think it's the usual terrible games journalism + complete ignorance of video game history"
[videogames]|18:18 Gunther says, "see also "OMG HALF LIFE HAS THE BEST STORY IN ANY GAME EVER""
[videogames]|18:18 Gunther says, "and then the same for Bioshock"
[videogames]|18:19 Gunther says, "and now the wank about Blow's The Witness"
[videogames]|18:20 Doug | Dear Esther has been wildly successful, selling 16,000 copies in under 24 hours. As an investment, it reached profitability in 5.5 hours.
[videogames]|18:20 Doug asks, "I mean, yay, but how much of that is just people buying it out of curiosity?"
[videogames]|18:21 Gunther says, "I streamed it for an hour via some streaming service, saving me the money. Would not buy."
[videogames]|18:22 Doug asks, "some streaming service?"
[videogames]|18:22 Gunther says, "I forget"
[videogames]|18:22 Gunther asks, "OnLive?"
[videogames]|18:23 Gunther says, "yeah. https://www.onlive.com/games/featuredgames#&tab=all_games&per_page=72 "
[videogames]|18:23 Doug asks, "were you actually playing it, or just watching a video?"
[videogames]|18:23 Gunther says, "playing"
[videogames]|18:24 Doug says, "huh, weird."
[videogames]|18:24 Gunther says, "onlive lets you rent and stream games over the net"
[videogames]|18:24 Gunther says, "the local client sends your input back"
[videogames]|18:24 Doug says, "neat.  but weird."
[videogames]|18:25 Gunther says, "but good for demos of games that otherwise have none"
[videogames]|18:25 Doug asks, "what exactly is it streaming?"
[videogames]|18:25 Gunther says, "video and audio"
[videogames]|18:26 Doug asks, "how is the responsiveness of the controls?"
[videogames]|18:26 Gunther says, "astonishing"
[videogames]|18:26 Doug says, "textfyre should just use that rather than building zifmia!"
[videogames]|18:27 Gunther says, "some games even stream to tablets"
[lounge]|18:27 Gunther says, "ok bed"
[lounge]|18:27 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[videogames]|18:28 K-Y says, "it sounds like Dear Esther has an Aisle-style story"
[lounge]|18:28 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:28 * boucher has connected.
[videogames]|18:28 K-Y says, "every playthrough you get random fragments that each may correspond to several mutually exclusive versions of the story"
[videogames]|18:28 McMartin says, "Now it clearly needs a PUTPBAA expansion pack"
[lounge]|18:29 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:29 * boucher has connected.
[videogames]|18:29 K-Y says, "and every playthrough various environment objects may randomly be or not be present"
[lounge]|18:29 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:29 * Marktwo has connected.
[videogames]|18:30 K-Y says, "and of course it's one of those stories with several layers that may or may not be allegorical"
[videogames]|18:30 Doug says, "I just read the Wikipedia page and totally spoilered myself.  oops."
[videogames]|18:32 Doug says, "well, it's short enough, I should just finish it.  Though I think I played for an hour and didn't feel like it was halfway through."
[videogames]|18:33 K-Y says, "I guess the fact is that IF pioneered the 'explore an imaginary place that serves as an allegory for your Serious Real-Life Issues' story"
[videogames]|18:33 K-Y says, "in games"
[videogames]|18:33 Doug says, "though I spent a while in the first room before I convinced myself that I couldn't actually *do* anything (not having read anything about the game beforehand)"
[videogames]|18:34 K-Y says, "and now it's all the rage just as long as you slap on some graphics"
[videogames]|18:35 K-Y says, "oh, you bought it"
[videogames]|18:35 Doug | I got it on steam thanks to Blow?s recommendation. I can?t really say I connected with the story, but the beauty of the island and the sense of mystery were worth the purchase. I feel like I learned something about games, but I?m not sure what it was yet.
[videogames]|18:35 Doug says, "sigh"
[videogames]|18:38 K-Y says, "'games can be ambiguous and confusing'"
[videogames]|18:39 Doug | I believe it is an experiment with the senses and the emotions. It is a Lonely, Guilt-Stricken Man Simulator. It is a journey through morbidly beautiful emptiness, a maudlin cocktail of sight, sound, implication and metaphor designed to conjure up a feeling of purposeful despair.
[videogames]|18:40 K-Y says, "in this I believe Ebert has a point"
[videogames]|18:41 K-Y says, "in that this is basically just aspiring to do the same thing that movies have been doing for ages"
[videogames]|18:42 Doug says, "I think it's sort of in between a movie and a book, though.  You can go at your own pace."
[videogames]|18:43 Doug says, "also it's not strictly linear"
[lounge]|18:43 Yuri goes home.
[videogames]|18:44 K-Y says, "actually, I think a more apt comparison would be an art installation"
[videogames]|18:45 K-Y says, "if you could buy an island, and stick prerecorded messages all around with motion detectors"
[videogames]|18:45 K-Y says, "maybe play some film clips here and there"
[videogames]|18:45 Doug says, "sure"
[videogames]|18:46 Doug says, "that's pretty much exactly what it is"
[videogames]|18:47 Doug says, "it's a fine demonstration that it's possible, and that it's a fundamentally different form from movies.  But that doesn't make it actually good"
[videogames]|18:50 Fang says, "I think even if a game does exactly what a movie does, ebert is wrong"
[videogames]|18:51 Fang says, "because videogames allow you to do what a movie does in generally a substantially lower budget."
[lounge]|18:52 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|18:52 Ellison says, "re"
[lounge]|18:53 DorianX says, " http://kentisland.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=11331&page=5 "
[videogames]|18:53 Doug says, "sure, if you don't value your time"
[videogames]|18:54 Fang asks, "well, why doesn't that work for movies?"
[videogames]|18:55 Fang says, "I don't think it's a matter of valuing one's time. It's more that a vocabulary exists that movies have shed"
[videogames]|18:56 Doug says, "I just meant that I am skeptical that videogame are easier to make than movies, if you disregard cost of equipment (studio time, actors, etc)"
[videogames]|18:56 Fang says, "a videogame like To The Moon can knock together 30 pixels and call it a person"
[videogames]|18:56 Fang says, "fifty words and call it acting"
[videogames]|18:56 Fang says, "and the audience accepts that"
[videogames]|18:57 Doug says, "Primer took $7000 and three years.  About the same as Braid, I think."
[videogames]|18:57 Doug says, "but more people than Braid"
[videogames]|18:58 Fang says, "Primer is an extreme exception"
[videogames]|18:58 Doug says, "actually, I wonder which made more money."
[videogames]|18:58 Doug says, "wikipedia says Primer's box office was $424,760"
[videogames]|19:00 K-Y says, "Blow has put at least $2 million into The Witness, this says"
[videogames]|19:00 Doug says, "apparently Braid sold over 450,000 copies"
[videogames]|19:00 Fang says, " http://uk.gamespot.com/braid/forum/braid-sales-as-of-27th-sept-2008-45655983/ "
[videogames]|19:00 Doug says, "oh, I guess box office doesn't count DVD sales."
[videogames]|19:00 Fang says, "so about a million in 2008"
[hardware]|19:01 GDorn asks, "how much data is a 720p video stream?"
[videogames]|19:01 Fang says, "but I think the more important point is that the low budget indie film approach of Primer is possible for only certain types of stories"
[videogames]|19:02 Doug says, "Primer was $565,846 worldwide box office.  can't find dvd numbers"
[videogames]|19:02 Fang says, "whereas a low budget game can tell all sorts of stories"
[hardware]|19:02 GDorn asks, "ah, uncompressed that's probably about 64MB/s, but who streams uncompressed video?"
[videogames]|19:03 Doug | Paranormal Activity (Budget: $15,000; Revenue: $193 million)
[videogames]|19:03 Doug says, "ok, I guess that's the one to beat."
[videogames]|19:04 Doug | http://www.pajiba.com/seriously_random_lists/percentagewise-the-20-most-profitable-movies-of-all-time.php
[videogames]|19:05 Fang says, "yes, you can make lofi found footage horror movies cheap"
[videogames]|19:08 Fang says, "but the amount of stories you can tell in that way is vanishingly small."
[videogames]|19:09 Doug says, "I'm just wondering what a list like that would look like for videogames"
[videogames]|19:10 Fang says, "1. Tetris"
[weather]|19:10 vimes | A tropical storm named Debbie, headed for Dallas. Behold, newspaper editors, there is a God and he has heard your prayers.
[weather]|19:11 Doug says, "wow"
[videogames]|19:11 Fang | Through cell phones alone Tetris has made somewhere between $200 million and $500 million since 2005.
[videogames]|19:12 Fang says, "as of 2010"
[videogames]|19:12 Fang says, "that ignores the 30 million sales on the gameboy"
[videogames]|19:12 Fang says, "and other platforms"
[lounge]|19:15 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|19:15 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|19:16 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|19:16 * Marktwo has connected.
[lounge]|19:25 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|19:25 Olly says, "Hello, MUDlings."
[lounge]|19:25 inky says, "hellolly"
[lounge]|19:26 Olly says, "Helloinky."
[lounge]|19:26 inky says, ""hinky", surely"
[lounge]|19:27 Olly says, "Yes, that is probably better."
[lounge]|19:29 Ellison says, "and don't call Shirley hinky!"
[lounge]|19:30 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[lounge]|19:30 BrenBarn says, "shinky"
[lounge]|19:33 small arrives from the east.
[lounge]|19:33 small lights out for the west.
[lounge]|19:33 small arrives from the west with fresh air in his lungs and a bee in his bonnet.
[lounge]|19:35 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[jendoodle]|19:37 jenrexrode says, "another round of working on the TV nook https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3270021749429&l=55b7ec38f9 "
[food]|19:40 BrenBarn says, "this morning I accidentally lit a cinnamon roll on fire"
[food]|19:40 inky says, "ha ha"
[food]|19:40 BrenBarn says, "I got the cinnamon roll at the donut shop and put it in the toaster oven to warm it"
[food]|19:41 BrenBarn says, "but I guess it was too close to the heating element and a little bit of the icing caught fire"
[food]|19:41 inky asks, "did you stop it in time?"
[food]|19:42 BrenBarn says, "no, it burned down my whole house"
[food]|19:42 BrenBarn says, "plus my finger"
[food]|19:43 inky says, "a tragedy of dilbonian proportions"
[food]|19:43 BrenBarn says, "but yeah, I just blew it out"
[food]|19:44 BrenBarn says, "it was like cinnamon roll flambe"
[programming]|19:47 BrenBarn asks, "is there any decent way to use a VCS to modify pure python portions of a library while using precompiled binaries of the C portions of the library?"
[programming]|19:47 vimes asks, "symlink pure python files into place from your checkout?"
[programming]|19:48 BrenBarn says, "on Windows"
[programming]|19:48 inky says, "I don't really understand the issue"
[programming]|19:48 BrenBarn says, "well, there are various libs that I have installed via Windows binaries"
[programming]|19:48 vimes asks, "use mklink to symlink pure python files into place from your checkout?"
[programming]|19:49 BrenBarn says, "when I do this, it of course installs everything"
[programming]|19:49 BrenBarn says, "I feel like there are some contributions I could make to these libs on the Python side, but I don't get how I can interact with the repo and sync the Python part without interfering with the compiled parts that I can't deal with"
[food]|19:50 jenrexrode says, "and now he can't have them any other way"
[programming]|19:50 BrenBarn says (to vimes), "on Windows XP"
[programming]|19:51 inky says, "hmm"
[programming]|19:51 BrenBarn says, "I can't just grab the repo by itself, because it won't have the compiled stuff, but if I install from a binary and then grab the repo separately, I have two copies of the Python parts sitting there and I can't see a clean way to say 'use the compiled part from the binary install and the Python part from this other place'"
[programming]|19:52 inky asks, "so am I understanding that you want to submit a patch to the python libraries?"
[programming]|19:52 vimes asks, "hardlink the pure python files into place from your checkout using link shell extension or something?"
[programming]|19:52 BrenBarn says (to inky), "yeah, that is my goal"
[programming]|19:52 vimes says, "(or just copy them into place after every change)"
[programming]|19:52 BrenBarn says (to vimes), "right, this is why I said 'decent'"
[programming]|19:53 inky says, "well, it seems like you can edit the binary-installed versions until they're how you want it, then copy those changes into the repo-checked-out place and submit"
[programming]|19:53 vimes says, "you also said "windows xp""
[programming]|19:53 vimes says, "really, make up your mind"
[programming]|19:53 inky says, "unless you need to check in continuously during development"
[programming]|19:54 BrenBarn says (to inky), "but then I don't get the benefit of version controlling my changes"
[programming]|19:54 BrenBarn says (to vimes), "oh come on"
[programming]|19:54 BrenBarn says, "there ought to be a way to do this that works on DOS"
[programming]|19:54 inky says, "well in dos you type deltree lol"
[programming]|19:54 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[programming]|19:55 vimes says, "i'm really not sure what solution you're envisioning that involves neither links nor copying after changes"
[programming]|19:55 inky says, "also, you don't actually want to use all the libraries from the repo, you want to use the specific module you're editing"
[programming]|19:55 inky says, "I think"
[programming]|19:55 vimes says, "since one or the other of those is how i would do similar development on a unixy system"
[programming]|19:55 BrenBarn says, "well, I guess 'links' is an okay solution if you can explain how I automate the process of linking"
[programming]|19:55 inky says, "so I would copy the binary stuff over to the location the repo expects"
[programming]|19:55 BrenBarn says, "I don't want to have to manually link every file"
[programming]|19:55 inky says, "and then you should be able to just use the repo"
[programming]|19:56 inky says, "and when you're using that module, you specify you want to use it from the repo dir"
[programming]|19:56 vimes says, "well, a little python script to walk the tree and link .py files would probably work"
[programming]|19:56 BrenBarn says, "the solution I'm envisioning is something that would let me check out the pure-python portion of the project into the pure-python part of the lib's install tree"
[programming]|19:56 vimes says, "some python installation tools have a 'develop' install mode that automatically does that linking for you"
[food]|19:57 K-Y says, " http://garfield.nfshost.com/1999/03/11/ "
[programming]|19:57 vimes says, "it might be the case that you can fake out the repo + installer by copying in the compiled .dlls and what have you so it thinks it doesn't have to recompile them, and then use the develop install"
[food]|19:58 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[programming]|19:58 BrenBarn says, "hmmmm"
[programming]|19:58 vimes says, "(i'm assuming here that actually compiling the native code bits yourself is impossible or wildly impractical for whatever reason)"
[programming]|19:59 BrenBarn says, "it's just against my principles"
[lounge]|20:01 DorianX says, "Oh good. The fire is contained"
[programming]|20:01 BrenBarn asks, "is it really not common to want to do this?"
[programming]|20:01 BrenBarn asks, "like, am I the only one who wants to work on Python libs without having a C compiler?"
[lounge]|20:02 jenrexrode says, "oh, the wildfire, not the cinnamon roll"
[juxtaposition]|20:02 K-Y says, "FIRE EVERYWHERE"
[programming]|20:02 inky says, "hmm"
[programming]|20:02 inky says, "well, you do have a C compiler, first of all"
[programming]|20:02 inky says, "but I would guess the majority of people who work on python libs are on linux"
[programming]|20:03 BrenBarn says, "well, I could get one, I guess"
[programming]|20:03 inky says, "cygwin and gcc, maybe"
[programming]|20:03 BrenBarn says, "but I don't waaaaaaaanna install cygwin!"
[instruments]|20:03 jenrexrode | http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/pickpunch/sideofboxcropped.jpg
[programming]|20:03 BrenBarn says, "one of the things I really like about Python is not having this arcane build process"
[programming]|20:03 inky says, "or here with visual studio express (which is free): http://blog.victorjabur.com/2011/06/05/compiling-python-2-7-modules-on-windows-32-and-64-using-msvc-2008-express/ "
[programming]|20:04 vimes says, "mingw is popular"
[programming]|20:04 inky asks, "but also, plenty of python libraries don't have a C component at all, right?"
[programming]|20:05 inky says, "so you're actually asking "are there a lot of people who want to work on python modules that have a C component but don't need to do any work on the C component?""
[programming]|20:05 vimes says, "like, here's an example of getting pycrypto compiled on xp with mingw: http://www.secker.nl/2012/03/08/building-pycrypto-2-5-using-mingw-and-python-2-7-on-windows-xp/ "
[programming]|20:05 BrenBarn says (to inky), "right, sure"
[programming]|20:05 inky says, "to which the answer is probably not, I would guess"
[programming]|20:05 BrenBarn asks, "but how is that possible?"
[programming]|20:05 inky says, "well, maybe I'm wrong"
[programming]|20:06 inky says, "I figured the ones with a C component are mostly C code and only a little python to expose the C functionality"
[programming]|20:06 inky says, "like that is certainly what the curses library is like"
[programming]|20:06 vimes says, "generally, if i'm going to be working on a module that includes a c component, i want to run the full build whenever possible, even if i'm never going to touch the c"
[programming]|20:06 vimes says, "just so i know i'm up to date with the dev branch and so forth"
[programming]|20:08 BrenBarn says, "well, the one I'm looking at now is pandas"
[programming]|20:09 BrenBarn says, "which has C components for the core number-crunching stuff but Python wrappers that seem to have a fair amount of content"
[money]|20:17 GDorn says, "nothing like buying a house to completely confuse mint.com"
[programming]|20:19 BrenBarn says, "well, thanks for the suggestions"
[lounge]|20:19 BrenBarn says, "time to go"
[lounge]|20:19 BrenBarn says, "adios"
[lounge]|20:19 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[obits]|20:20 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! DorianX has posted message 451, about 'Lonely George, ~100', to the bulletin board!"
[obits]|20:20 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! DorianX has posted message 451, about 'Lonesome George, ~100', to the bulletin board!"
[seattle]|20:20 maga says, "aw, man, Pride parade was today and would have been super easy to get to"
[seattle]|20:21 inky says, "hannah said it was pretty crazy"
[dinner]|20:21 genericgeekgirl says, " http://thewimpyvegetarian.com/2012/04/swiss-chard-and-quinoa-gratin/ (minus the bacon, of course)"
[seattle]|20:21 inky says, "she came home with an elaborate rainbow feather boa"
[seattle]|20:21 inky says, "which is like gay squared"
[seattle]|20:24 maga says, "that said, the mid-game show at roller derby last night featured a six-foot cheerleader with mutton-chops dancing to Madonna, so I feel I have had my quota of fabulousness"
[seattle]|20:24 DavidW says, "I'd love to see Seattle's Pride parade."
[seattle]|20:25 maga says, "as far as I can see Seattle tries to turn *every* event into a Pride parade"
[seattle]|20:25 inky says, "she sent me a picture of a float with a giant sparkly d20 on it"
[seattle]|20:25 inky says, "which I guess was from the gay gamers group"
[seattle]|20:25 maga says, "oh, Seattle"
[seattle]|20:26 DavidW says, "I have a 'gaymer' button."
[lounge]|20:28 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:28 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|20:29 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:29 * Marktwo has connected.
[religion]|20:29 DorianX asks, "what did the catholics do during prohibition?"
[religion]|20:30 maga says, "bathtub Eucharist"
[religion]|20:31 maga says, "straightdope: "But alcoholic beverages for medicinal and sacramental use were exempt under the Volstead Act""
[religion]|20:32 maga says, "(annual Eucharist consumption increased by 800,000 gallons as a result)"
[lounge]|20:43 borowski likes a realistic, down-to-earth lounge that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots.
[lounge]|20:44 borowski says, "Evening"
[lounge]|20:46 Ellison says, "hey borowski"
[religion]|20:49 DorianX says, "The Body of Christ Compels You"
[instruments]|20:49 * borowski has joined the channel.
[lounge]|21:01 jenrexrode says, "hi b"
[lounge]|21:06 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[lounge]|21:07 vaporware's brand of fist-pumping, hair-tossing, pelvis-swiveling rocksmanship was hardly without precedent; it just seemed obnoxiously anachronistic.
[drwho]|21:10 borowski | The Pirate Planet
[lounge]|21:11 jenrexrode says, "hi vw"
[lounge]|21:14 vaporware says, "ahoy"
[lounge]|21:15 borowski says, "Hey vaporware"
[lounge]/21:36 jenrexrode says, "tired"
[lounge]|21:37 borowski says, "I've been sleepy all day. I think it's the heat."
[lounge]|21:38 jenrexrode says, "my dad's visiting, and all we do is go out to eat or work on my house"
[lounge]|21:39 jenrexrode says, "luckily there's a Rangers game on right now, so I can rest"
[instruments]|21:39 jenrexrode says, "Texas Rangers"
[instruments]|21:39 jenrexrode says, "whoops"
[weather]|21:41 jenrexrode says, "100"
[weather]|21:41 jenrexrode says, "not now, tho"
[travel]|21:43 katre says, "might take a four-day vacation from 7/5"
[travel]|21:43 katre asks, "where should I go?"
[travel]|21:46 jenrexrode says, "colonial williamsburg"
[travel]|21:46 inky asks, "anywhere in the US?"
[lounge]|21:48 Rob comes right on in.
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jenrexrode says, "hola rob"
[travel] katre says (to inky), "I was also looking at europe"
[travel] katre says, "rome is not terribly expensive"