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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
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Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
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  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
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  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> So you're like, "Wow, this book comes with an onion!"
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, jpt, DorianX, Jon, Bishop, marc, GDorn, Jearl, Ryan, Allen, baf, Dave, McMartin, Marktwo, annabianca, vimes, Whizzard, Doug, Psmith, lpsmith, vaporware, Hugo, ghira, DavidW, K-Y, Gerynar, boucher, inky, Jota, BrenBarn, Emily, jenrexrode, Roger, zaphod, Ellison, two-star
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 4374 lines from recent channels:
[lounge]/15:45 DorianX says, "I just found out who my corporate overlords are"
[tangent]|15:45 Jota says, "The worst bits are probably when you have to attack people who are supporting you."
[lounge]|15:46 Dave says, "ROMPECABEZAS"
[lounge]|15:46 DorianX says, "I kinda regret looking them up on wikipedia now"
[lounge]|15:46 inky says, "I thought your corporate overlords were the government"
[tangent]|15:46 BrenBarn asks, "plus in German don't you capitalize all nouns anyway?"
[tangent]|15:46 Jota says, "Because you're legally obligated to defend your trademarks, even against people who are only violating them unintentionally and in good faith."
[lounge]|15:46 DorianX says, "Those are my government overlords"
[lounge]|15:46 Guest1 says, "some of 'em work -- just not when I mis-type them..."
[lounge]|15:46 Roger says, "I vow to serve only incorporeal overlords."
[tangent]|15:46 McMartin says (to Jota), "I wonder if there are extra-polite versions"
[names]|15:46 BrenBarn says, "nice"
[tangent]|15:46 McMartin says, "Because I know there are ways to make trademarks be fair-use in most good-faith scenarios"
[tangent]|15:47 McMartin says, "Not all, but a lot"
[tangent]|15:47 Roger says, "Then people get confused and think you have to actively protect your copyright too"
[tangent]|15:47 Roger says, "Come on, authors, parody is so easy.  Have your hero take an Asspirin."
[tangent]|15:48 BrenBarn says, "buttpirin"
[band-name]|15:48 McMartin says, "Buttpirin"
[politics]|15:48 McMartin | http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/19/ron-paul-no-way-on-being-ready-to-endorse-romney/?hpt=hp_bn3
[politics]|15:48 McMartin says, "The interesting bit is at the end, where the Paul campaign shows its hand"
[politics]|15:49 Gunther asks, "is it a crazy hand?"
[politics]|15:49 McMartin | The suit, CNN has learned, argues that the party's "binding delegate" rule?in which delegates in some states are required to vote for their primary's winner?violates federal law and impedes on delegat"Constitutional right to vote their conscience" in Tampa.
[politics]|15:49 Matthew says, "I saw that."
[politics]|15:49 Matthew says, "Very silly.  I can't believe it will go anywhere."
[politics]|15:49 McMartin says, "He's been for quite a while making sure that as many delegates as possible for all candidates are actually Paul supporters"
[politics]|15:49 McMartin says, "Yeah, neither do I"
[politics]|15:50 Gunther asks, "is he trying to putsch here?"
[politics]|15:50 McMartin says, "My initial reading of the stuff I saw was that he was hoping for a deadlocked convention, at which point the bindings on the delegates loosen"
[tangent]|15:50 K-Y says, "well, this is a heartening conversation"
[politics]|15:50 McMartin says, "But it looks like that was too sane"
[politics]|15:50 McMartin says (to Gunther), "Sure looks like, unless that has actual violence as a requirement"
[politics]|15:50 Gunther says, "the binding of ronpaul"
[tangent]|15:51 K-Y says, "given my day"
[lounge]|15:51 DorianX says, "Finally gave in and went to the doctor for this hacking, dehabilitating cough that leah has been passive-aggressiving t me about all week"
[lounge]|15:51 DorianX says, "Doctor saif she thinks it's allergies"
[lounge]|15:51 DorianX says, "I think that is crap."
[politics]|15:51 andyf says, "If this works, we'll have to call it the crack-house putsch"
[politics]|15:51 andyf asks, "seriously, what the hell?"
[politics]|15:51 Roger says, "Hunh"
[politics]|15:51 Gunther | a secretly plotted and suddenly executed attempt to overthrow a government
[politics]|15:51 Gunther says, "I guess it meets absolutely none of these criteria"
[lounge]|15:51 BrenBarn says, "dorianx goes to the doctor's office he says doc what's wrong with me the doctor says ya got allergies he says I wanna second opinion she says all right you're ugly too ba doom boom"
[politics]|15:52 Roger says, "They have been delegated the authority to... do whatever they feel like."
[politics]|15:52 Gunther says, "plus 'putsch' doesn't have any funny puns"
[politics]|15:52 McMartin says, "Ha ha"
[politics]|15:52 andyf asks, "also, if this is his tactic, why doesn't he just skip a step and apply it to the electoral college?"
[lounge]|15:52 Gunther says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|15:52 Roger asks, "Does taking anti-allergy medications help you at all?"
[lounge]|15:52 Gunther says, "believe it or not, I never heard that joke"
[politics]|15:52 McMartin says (to andyf), "Faithless electors are A Thing"
[lounge]|15:52 Gunther says (to Roger), "not with the ugly!"
[politics]|15:52 andyf says, "I know"
[politics]|15:52 andyf says, "not a common Thing, though"
[politics]|15:53 McMartin says, "Indeed not"
[politics]|15:53 inky says, "hmm"
[lounge]|15:53 DorianX says (to roger), "I took some about two hours ago. If anything ,my cough has gotten worse"
[politics]|15:53 andyf says, "also, I'm still trying to come up with a putsch pun"
[tangent]|15:53 K-Y says, "anyway, it doesn't really make sense to go 'nobody can refer to my product by name'"
[politics]|15:54 McMartin says, "Anyway, what I expect is the most likely outcome of this is that a loud and dedicated minority will manage to wield more influence than their numbers suggest within an organization by exploiting that organization's bylaws."
[tangent]|15:54 K-Y says, "that's just self defeating"
[politics]|15:54 McMartin says, "I don't really have a problem with that."
[tangent]|15:54 McMartin says, "That is not the way it worse"
[tangent]|15:54 McMartin says, "*works"
[tangent]|15:54 K-Y says, "of course not"
[tangent]|15:54 K-Y says, "it seems to be the insinuation here"
[tangent]|15:54 McMartin says, "If nothing else, if they're actually talking about your product you like have anti-right to complain."
[tangent]|15:54 Gunther says, "unless you're Charles Carreon(tm)"
[tangent]|15:54 McMartin says, "We're actually talking about Charles Carreon(tm). We accept no substitutes for targets of our righteous oppobrium."
[tangent]|15:55 McMartin says, "(I'm pretty sure that's actually how the defense would go)"
[tangent]|15:55 Roger says, "Clearly we need a fanfic in which Voldemort is merely trying to protect his trademark, going around insisting people Not Name Him."
[tangent]|15:55 Gunther says, ""motion to refer to plaintiff as 'The Great Carreon' denied. OUT""
[politics]|15:56 McMartin says (to andyf), "Also, if I had to guess, because Ron Paul can't pack the EC the way he can pack the Republican delegate pack"
[books]|15:56 olethros says, "pencil sharpening has not failed to enterntain"
[politics]|15:56 andyf says, "yeah, probably"
[politics]|15:57 Matthew asks (of McMartin), "How much direct packing do you think Ron Paul did?"
[politics]|15:57 andyf asks, "how are electors actually nominated, anyway?"
[politics]|15:57 McMartin says, "Define 'direct'"
[politics]|15:57 Matthew says, "I never got the impression he was exactly behind it himself."
[politics]|15:57 Gunther says, "*snicker* direct packing"
[politics]|15:57 McMartin says, "I mean, 'they are dedicated to getting as far in to everything as they can and never shutting up' is kind of the Paulite MO"
[facepalm]|15:57 Gunther says, "on the M-W page for 'putsch'"
[facepalm]|15:58 Gunther says, "there are Facebook comments WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE FACEBOOK COMMENTS"
[politics]|15:58 McMartin says, "Also 'actually knowing the real rules of the contests in question'"
[facepalm]|15:58 Gunther | Shane Comeback  *  Top Commenter
[facepalm]|15:58 Gunther | There may be one here before the election. Its being set up with the OWS anarchists as their stooges. Van Jones said, and it's on tape, he will get 100,000 people in the streets this summer.
[facepalm]|15:58 Gunther says, "TOP COMMENTER"
[politics]|15:58 McMartin says, "The fact that they disproportionately stuck around for delegate selection and the later phases while almost completely ignoring the straw poll implies that the Paulites were coordinated about this even if it wasn't by Paul himself"
[facepalm]|15:58 Gunther says, "*flamethrower*"
[facepalm]|15:59 andyf | The stooges will use FLAMETHROWERS.
[politics]|15:59 Matthew says, "Oh yeah, I'm not arguing that it's coordinated.  I just don't think Paul himself is doing it."
[politics]|15:59 McMartin says, "I'm willing to entertain the notion that Paul just sits around fuming that he doesn't get to sit on the big pile of gold in Fort Knox, Smaug style"
[facepalm]|15:59 andyf asks, "also, stooges?"
[facepalm]|15:59 Jota asks, "Are you saying that M-W lets people comment on definitions, or that they're using facebook comments as usage examples?"
[facepalm]|15:59 Jota says, "Because the latter seems perfectly appropriate."
[facepalm]|15:59 Gunther says, "the former"
[politics]|15:59 Roger says, "That would be pretty sweet, it cannot be denied"
[politics]|15:59 McMartin says, "I would expect that *someone in his organization* is coordinating this"
[facepalm]|15:59 Gunther says, "the latter would be fine but not the TOP COMMENT doesn't even have the word in it."
[politics]|15:59 Matthew asks, "I wonder how high up...?"
[facepalm]|16:00 olethros says, "I just block all facebook content"
[facepalm]|16:00 Gunther says, "just found one"
[facepalm]|16:00 andyf asks, "why the hell would comments on definitions be a good idea?"
[politics]|16:00 McMartin says, "I kind of file that with the same sort of 'not practically interesting' question as to who make sures that SuperPACs mysteriously perfectly align with their favored candidates despite being independent"
[facepalm]|16:00 ghira says, "one of our customers said it would cancel its contract with us if I got a facebook account"
[politics]|16:01 McMartin says, "(And yes, the last time this came up for me, The Smaug Theory Of Economics *completely* derailed it)"
[facepalm]|16:01 ghira says, "and another reason for not having one is that security clearance forms now ask about accounts on these kinds of things and that just seems tedious"
[politics]|16:01 Roger says, "And most importantly of all, who is Rent Too Damn High guy's barber?  That's the guy I want."
[politics]|16:02 McMartin says (to Matthew), "Also, my first reading of your question is how up you would be if you did the Smaug thing on Fort Knox -_-"
[facepalm]|16:02 olethros says (to gunther), "use: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cohbmkonphbnkadgpcpofdpjiopbbhdl "
[lounge]|16:03 Guest1 goes home.
[facepalm]|16:03 Gunther says, "that fails on M-W"
[facepalm]|16:03 olethros says, "works fine here"
[facepalm]|16:03 Gunther says, "using Facebook Disconnect instead"
[facepalm]|16:03 K-Y says (to andyf), "so that people can argue about what literally means"
[facepalm]|16:03 Gunther says, " https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ejpepffjfmamnambagiibghpglaidiec "
[facepalm]|16:03 olethros says, "oh, have that too, may be that's what blocks it"
[facepalm]|16:03 K-Y says, "without it spilling ito polite society"
[books]|16:04 olethros says, "I now have a sharpened pencil!"
[books]|16:05 Gunther asks, "how awesome is it?"
[books]|16:05 olethros says, "well, I sharpened it myself, with my single-blade pencil sharpener, after I caerefully inspected the blade and interior"
[books]|16:05 olethros says, "I am sure Reiss's pencils will be AWESOME. Mine is Pointy."
[books]|16:06 vimes asks, "did you remember to polish the pencil afterwards?"
[books]|16:06 olethros says, "of course."
[lounge]|16:06 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[books]|16:06 Roger says, "I was just reading a book on drafting and I had forgotten the way they like to sharpen all the wood back so there's a good inch of bare lead just sitting out there."
[lounge]|16:06 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|16:06 * Tale has disconnected.
[books]|16:07 olethros asks, "doesn't it break easily?"
[books]|16:09 Roger says, "It's a professional that attracts those of careful tendencies"
[lounge]|16:09 Petrosilius goes home.
[books]|16:09 Roger says, "When I get home I'll take a screenshot if I remember which I probably won't"
[diet]|16:10 Matthew says, "So what ultra-low-carb delight can I have for dinner tonight."
[diet]|16:10 Jota says, "Steak and asparagus."
[diet]|16:11 Jota says, "Chicken salad on a lettuce wrap."
[diet]|16:11 Jota says, "Stir fry."
[diet]|16:11 Jon says, "water"
[diet]|16:12 Roger says, "Meat Surprise"
[lounge]|16:12 Gunther says, "csb"
[lounge]|16:12 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[diet]|16:12 Roger says, "A whole bottle of authentic bacon bits."
[lounge]|16:13 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
[diet]|16:16 Dave says, "scrambled eggs and a salad"
[lounge]|16:17 Tale explains that time is a corridor. You can't enter into time, but sometimes time can try to enter into the present.
[lounge]|16:17 andyf says, "OK, off"
[lounge]|16:17 andyf waves.
[lounge]|16:17 andyf goes zam pow biff exciting conclusion.
[diet]|16:18 Roger says, "One delicious pint of peanut oil"
[kitties]|16:19 katre says, "taking lindy to the oncologist tomorrow"
[kitties]|16:19 katre says, "angst angst angst"
[facepalm]|16:19 DorianX says, "Huh"
[facepalm]|16:20 DorianX says, "Seems like it's been getting harder and harder for me to get stuff done WITHOUT having a facebook account"
[kitties]|16:20 Roger asks, "I'm sorry I can't recall -- is this (or possibly) leukemia?"
[kitties]|16:20 katre says, "hemiangiosarcoma"
[kitties]|16:21 katre says, "hemo? something"
[facepalm]|16:21 DorianX says, "My state just passed a law barring employers from ordering you to pony up your facebook password"
[kitties]|16:21 Roger says, "Ah.  Well I hope the news is promising."
[kitties]|16:21 katre says, "he had a tumor of the blood vessels in his tail, which is now a handsome stump"
[kitties]|16:22 Allen says, "eep, tailless kitty"
[facepalm]|16:22 Allen asks, "just facebook?"
[facepalm]|16:23 DorianX says, "I think it's "social networking""
[channels]|16:23 Jota says, "I was sure there was  #woodhouse"
[channels]|16:24 Matthew asks, "Do you mean #wodehouse?"
[kitties]|16:24 Jota asks, "Is this a relapse or just a followup?"
[kitties]|16:24 katre says, "followup"
[channels]|16:24 Jota says, "That would explain why I couldn't find it."
[kitties]|16:24 katre says, "although he's pulling his fur out again"
[wodehouse]|16:24 Jota says, " http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/aef3/ "
[wodehouse]|16:24 * katre has joined the channel.
[wodehouse]|16:25 Jota says, "An alarm clock which wakes you up with the voice of Jeeves (recorded by Stephen Fry)."
[kitties]|16:26 Jota says, "Anyway, I wish you both the best. I've dealt with feline oncology as well, so I know it's not pleasant."
[lounge]|16:28 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[gripe]|16:28 Jota asks, "Why does almost everyone only carry diet cola, but not any other diet sodas?"
[gripe]|16:28 Jota says, "Diet cola tastes like crap."
[gripe]|16:28 marc says, "i quite like diet coke"
[gripe]|16:29 Jota says, "But you almost never find diet ginger ale, diet 7-Up, diet Sprite..."
[gripe]|16:29 marc says, "ewird"
[gripe]|16:29 marc says, "er, weird."
[gripe]|16:29 marc says, "you do here"
[gripe]|16:30 Jota says, "I can't remember ever finding any at a restaurant that served fountain drinks. And the convenience store in the lobby of this building doesn't have them either."
[gripe]|16:30 marc says, "yeah, i guess i'm thinking of cans in newsagents/convenience stores"
[gripe]|16:30 vaporware says, "I hear Diet Dr Pepper tastes more like regular Dr Pepper."
[gripe]|16:30 Jota says (to VW), "Yeah, they didn't have that either."
[gripe]|16:30 ghira says, "waitrose has diet ginger beer, I'm pretty sure"
[tangent]|16:31 marc says, "yum yum curiosity cola"
[gripe]|16:31 Jota says, "Supermarkets have them, yeah. I am thinking mainly of restaurants and some convenience stores."
[gripe]|16:31 Jota says, "The places you pop into when you're looking to buy a cold drink on the spot."
[tangent]|16:31 marc says, "too sweet, but still"
[gripe]|16:31 Gunther says, "there are good diet colas but not by the coca-cola company"
[gripe]|16:32 Jota says (to Gunther), "Diet Pepsi sucks too, IMO."
[gripe]|16:32 Gunther says, "yes"
[news]|16:32 vaporware | http://gawker.com/5919886/chinese-news-program-apologizes-for-report-on-mystery-mushroom-that-turned-out-to-be-a-sex-toy
[gripe]|16:32 marc asks, "what's the difference between diet pepsi and pepsi max?"
[gripe]|16:32 vimes says, "i've never had a good diet cola, but i can't say that i like cola much to start with"
[gripe]|16:32 marc asks, "or is that just a branding thing?"
[gripe]|16:32 Jota says, "I've never had Pepsi Max."
[gripe]|16:32 Gunther asks, "same as diet coke vs coke zero?"
[gripe]|16:32 marc says (to gunther), "could be"
[gripe]|16:33 Jota says, "Coke Zero is acceptable, IMO, but restaurants never have that, either."
[gripe]|16:33 Gunther says, "(literally the same but guys do not like the word 'diet')"
[gripe]|16:33 marc says (to gunther), "i think they're flavoured differently"
[gripe]|16:33 vaporware asks, "Doesn't Coke Zero have a different sweetener?"
[gripe]|16:33 marc says, "yeah"
[gripe]|16:33 Jota says (to Gunther), "Coke Zero and Diet Coke don't taste the same here."
[gripe]|16:33 Gunther says, "oh maybe"
[macdev]|16:33 Hugo asks, "I guess at some point I can cut off everybody using 10.5 and earlier?"
[gripe]|16:34 ghira says, "despair vs anguish"
[gripe]|16:34 vaporware says, "I think Pepsi Max does too, and also more caffeine."
[gripe]|16:34 lpsmith says, "The whole point of Diet Coke is that it tastes like Pepsi."
[gripe]|16:34 marc asks (of lpsmith), "??"
[gripe]|16:34 Jota says (to lps), "What marc said."
[macdev]|16:34 vimes says, "feel free"
[gripe]|16:34 lpsmith says, "(from the cola wars of the 80's)"
[gripe]|16:34 marc says, "uk diet coke isn't very sweet at all which is why i quite like it"
[lounge]|16:34 zaphod goes home.
[lounge]|16:34 * zaphod has disconnected.
[macdev]|16:34 vimes says, "(it's often polite to leave an unmaintained "last 10.5-compatible version" around, of course)"
[gripe]|16:34 Jota says, "I guess I do prefer Diet Coke over Diet Pepsi, and I also prefer regular Pepsi over regular Coke."
[gripe]|16:35 marc says, "all the pepsis have a very palette-sticking sickly sweetness"
[gripe]|16:35 Jota says, "(Or at least, I did the last time I had them, which is not recently.)"
[gripe]|16:35 Gunther says, "I use Sodastream's not-Coke syrup"
[gripe]|16:35 marc says (to gunther), "i imagine that's quite nice"
[gripe]|16:35 Gunther says, "it is"
[gripe]|16:35 Gunther says, "since you can also dose it"
[gripe]|16:35 Jota says (to Gunther), "I believe that legally you have to call it 'not-leading-brand-of-cola syrup'."
[gripe]|16:36 Jota says (to Gunther), "Also, make sure you never put it in a recycled Coke bottle, or you'll go to jail."
[macdev]|16:37 Hugo says, "Yeah, that will probably be it."
[macdev]|16:37 Hugo says, "I mean, I have to transition to Cocoa fully at some point."
[macdev]|16:37 Hugo says, "It's just that my life is too damned short."
[gripe]|16:37 Gunther says, "heh"
[macdev]|16:38 Hugo says, "Or long, maybe, since I've lived to The Age Of Retina."
[penny-arcade]|16:41 Gunther says, " http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-penny-arcade-adventures-episode-3/17-6246/ "
[macdev]|16:42 Hugo says, "Hmm.  Although I'm finding at least some surveys that show 10.5 still in relatively wide use in 2012 (as in, >10% of OS X)."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:43 Jota says, "Probably a bad name for a dentist's office: The Cavity Search."
[macdev]|16:44 Hugo says, "But I guess to a large degree that's due to PPC."
[overheard]|16:46 * Tale has joined the channel.
[lounge]|16:46 Iain hasn't been here since April, I'm starting to get worried.
[macdev]|16:46 marc says, "i started getting fed up with 10.5 deprecation nearly a year ago"
[lounge]|16:46 Iain says, "Evening."
[facepalm]|16:47 Gunther says, "get ready to slap"
[macdev]|16:47 Hugo asks, "Fed up meaning?"
[facepalm]|16:47 Gunther |  CBS has picked up the rights to convert Draw Something in to a TV series.
[facepalm]|16:48 Gunther says, "why is there no god"
[facepalm]|16:48 Jota asks, "Why slap?"
[facepalm]|16:48 Jota asks, "Don't you think the massive loss of money will be punishment enough?"
[facepalm]|16:48 Gunther says, "well, your face with your palm"
[facepalm]|16:50 K-Y says, "there was, in fact, Pictionary as a daytime game show"
[macdev]|16:50 marc says, "meaning that a year ago the number of programmes that didn't support 10.5 became irritating so i upgraded"
[macdev]|16:51 marc says, "so i'd imagine that the current 10.5 users are aware that they might be using slightly outdated software across the board"
[macdev]|16:51 Hugo says, "Ah, yeah."
[macdev]|16:51 Hugo says, "I'm loathe to do it just because I've always tried to make it a point to not unnecessarily drop support."
[macdev]|16:51 Hugo says, "But fucking Apple, man."
[facepalm]|16:52 Gunther asks, "did it bomb like Dresden?"
[macdev]|16:52 marc says, "lion introduces yet more headaches if you do anything low level"
[facepalm]|16:52 Jota says, "I believe inky's joke when he mentioned this the other day is that they'd have to make this TV show competitive and rename it 'Win Something, Lose Something, or Draw Something'."
[facepalm]|16:52 Jota asks (of Gunther), "No, why would it?"
[macdev]|16:52 marc says, "(i tried and failed to debug some macho changes 10.6->10.7, gave up)"
[macdev]|16:52 Hugo says, "Well, my current ones are App Store and Retina related."
[macdev]|16:53 marc says, "yeah"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:53 Roger says, "Good call.  Nice name for a gay bar, though."
[macdev]|16:53 marc says, "anyway, i'd agree that 10.5 users are probably ppc-based (at a guess)"
[facepalm]|16:53 Jota says, "Draw Something is two-player, cooperative, and designed around an asynchronous play model."
[movie]|16:53 Roger says (to Tale), "Very belatedly, there's a good piece of "compassion sucks" near the beginning of Alien."
[facepalm]|16:53 Jota says, "Which is to say, all the elements that make Draw Something distinctive are directly antithetical to a TV game show."
[facepalm]|16:54 Jota says, "Which was not the case for Pictionary."
[videogames]|16:54 Gunther says, "it's idiot blocking day on RPS apparentl"
[videogames]|16:54 Gunther says, "y"
[facepalm]|16:54 Jota says, "(Or Win, Lose or Draw, the show inspired by it.)"
[facepalm]|16:54 Gunther asks (of Jota), "clearly all you need to do is draw somehing and then the other guy guesses what it is?"
[facepalm]|16:54 Gunther says, "I have never played DS so I don't know how accurate that is"
[lounge]|16:55 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|16:55 * Tale has disconnected.
[facepalm]|16:55 baf says, "You get to guess while you're watching it get drawn, stroke by stroke."
[facepalm]|16:55 baf says, "That is a key part of it."
[facepalm]|16:55 Jota says, "Yeah. You draw something, then when they play it replays your drawing the way you drew it. They guess, then they pick a word from a list and draw it. On your turn, it replays their guessing of your drawing, then you guess their drawing, and so on."
[facepalm]|16:57 Gunther says, "that seems like something you could absolutely do on a tv show, live, right there"
[facepalm]|16:57 Gunther says, "someone draws, the other person watches while you're drawing!"
[facepalm]|16:57 baf says, "yup"
[facepalm]|16:57 Gunther says, "it's totally mesmerizing"
[facepalm]|16:58 baf says, "It worked for Bob Ross."
[facepalm]|16:58 Gunther says, "this of course means the show will be entirely different and involve identifying tits by groping them"
[facepalm]|16:58 Gunther says, "whereupon PETA will ragesplode"
[money]|17:03 Allen | Ronald Page seemingly had it made when Bank of America unintentionally changed his account status, allowing the 55-year-old man to make unlimited ATM cash overdraft withdrawals.
[money]|17:03 Allen | But ABC News reports that Page, who in reality had only $300 in his checking account, used the accidental loophole to withdraw more than $1.5 million--losing it all on gambling.
[money]|17:04 Allen | The day the Bank of America glitch went into effect, Page reportedly withdrew $312,000 from ATMs at the Greektown Casino in Detroit and an additional $51,727 from the MGM Grand Casino. Bank of America placed a hold on his account 17 days later, but he had already withdrawn $1.5 million by that point.
[politics]|17:06 Allen | "Fauxcahontas" is good but "Pretendian" is much better.
[politics]|17:07 Gunther asks, "is it?"
[money]|17:07 baf says, "Hm. If you actually had unlimited ATM withdrawals and unlimited time, is it guaranteed that you could eventually pay pack the bank and still make a profit from your casino winnings? Given that the odds favor the house, of course."
[money]|17:10 katre says (to baf), "see the Nightingale Strategy for gamling"
[money]|17:10 katre says, "gambling"
[videogames]|17:10 Gunther asks, "really, calling mime pirates "freemuters" and not "mute-ineers"?"
[money]|17:10 Roger says, "The Gambler's Lament usually doesn't work in that direction, but in theory it could"
[money]|17:11 baf says, "Well, the thing that usually makes strategies of this sort fail is that you don't actually have unlimited funds."
[money]|17:11 Roger says, "Indeed"
[money]|17:12 two-star says, "Ultimately, the bank doesn't have unlimited funds either."
[videogames]|17:13 Gunther says, "#penny-arcade I guess"
[penny-arcade]|17:13 Gunther says, "a solid 20 minutes of one fight after the other"
[penny-arcade]|17:13 Gunther says, "what an adventure!"
[penny-arcade]|17:15 K-Y says, "but the depth of implementation"
[penny-arcade]|17:15 K-Y says, "a different joke description for every individual bookshelf object"
[penny-arcade]|17:15 Gunther says, "the descriptions are fun"
[law]|17:15 Allen | Even though Mr. Carreon named the charities as defendants in the caption, he doesn't name them as defendants in any of the three causes of action, and yet he asks the court to issue orders directing them to do things, and his demands for damages and attorney fees doesn't make it clear whom he thinks should be paying him.
[law]|17:16 Allen | Mr. Carreon only says "The Charitable Organization Defendants are . . ." before trailing off awkwardly without conclusion, like a former friend or family member mulling how to create a diversion rather than answer the question "how can you tolerate being associated with this vexatious twatwaffle?"
[law]|17:16 Allen | This means that the charities will have to pay lawyers to research how to put into fancy federal-court language the basic message "attention entitled dipshit: what exactly are you suing us for?"
[law]|17:16 Gunther says, "hooray"
[law]|17:16 Gunther says, "'vexatious twatwaffle' is a wonderful construct"
[law]|17:19 Gunther says, "Part VI is clearly Carreon suing Popehat for defamation"
[lounge]|17:21 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[law]|17:22 Roger says, "Heavy-hitters like the WWF must have an army of lawyers hanging around."
[law]|17:23 Gunther says, "but wait, Carreon hates Ann Coulter"
[law]|17:23 Gunther says, "thus he cannot possibly be bad"
[law]|17:23 Gunther | Since Medusa wasn't human, it was perfectly okay for Perseus to smite her head from her shoulders. Since Coulter has abandoned her humanity for money, influence, and the adulation of fools, it is perfectly okay to use whatever means are necessary to bring an end to her reign of terror, including publishing her decapitated visage, snake ringlets and all
[law]|17:23 K-Y says, "make up your mind"
[law]|17:24 Gunther says, "I didn't know this very important fact until just now!"
[law]|17:25 Gunther says, "meanwhile he's subpoenaing Twitter and Ars Technica to figure out who the impersonator was"
[law]|17:26 Gunther says, " http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/doubling-down-funnyjunk-lawyer-to-subpoena-ars-twitter/ "
[law]|17:27 Roger says, "I'm afraid, contrary to the laws of man and Tropic Thunder, he has gone Full Retard."
[law]|17:27 two-star says, "Vexatious Twatwaffle is my exotic dancer name."
[law]|17:28 Gunther says, "*and* he has contributed to the IndieGoGo campaign"
[law]|17:28 Gunther says, "the man is clearly insane"
[law]|17:28 Gunther says, "and not just Internet Insane, but actually mentally ill"
[law]|17:29 Roger says, "His book may even push Snookie's out of the #1 Bestseller spot"
[law]|17:29 Roger says, "But I'm speaking rashly and in-the-moment"
[law]|17:31 K-Y says, "the idea of the contribution is to actually be able to sue"
[law]|17:31 K-Y says, "or somethig like that"
[law]|17:32 Gunther says, "I"
[law]|17:32 Gunther says, "I"
[law]|17:32 Gunther asks, "I'm sure that's how law works?"
[law]|17:33 Roger says, "In order to have a cause of action?  Hrm."
[law]|17:33 K-Y says, "presumably if you want to complain about fraudulent fundraising you have to be able to show that you were harmed by it"
[law]|17:33 Gunther says, "well, if you're going to apply literal lunatic 'logic'"
[lounge]|17:35 DorianX says, "Oh, so I got a club card for the weigmans that just opened."
[law]|17:36 Allen | Asked on Twitter whether he really intended to "drag Ars Technica & Twitter into this," Carreon has now responded: "Of course I will: Doe 1 in the Complaint becomes named defendant after Twitter and Ars Technica answer subpoena."
[law]|17:36 Allen says, "oh, you already posted that"
[law]|17:36 Roger says, "I'll put my money on... declaring himself a sovereign entity beyond the scope of American laws, next.  That's usually a solid move."
[law]|17:38 Roger says, "Also that twitter account will also be shown to be fradulent."
[law]|17:39 Allen says, "the guy that did the twitter account claims to be in Sweden"
[law]|17:40 Gunther says, "clearly Assange"
[lounge]|17:40 DorianX says, "And unlike most supermarket club cards, ut's embossed like a credit card"
[lounge]|17:40 Roger says, "Hunh"
[lounge]|17:40 DorianX says, "So I ahd it in my wallet next to the giant card"
[lounge]|17:41 DorianX says, "Giant, like most supermarkets, uses a card with a barcode on it"
[lounge]|17:41 DorianX says, "The Weigmans card destroyed the giant card"
[penny-arcade]|17:42 Gunther says, "skipping this so hard I may get friction burns"
[lounge]|17:42 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|17:43 DorianX says, "Not even making this up"
[videogames]|17:43 Allen | n defending Mino, lawyers for Xio Interactive didn't deny that they were heavily influenced by Tetris, copying almost all of the game's basic elements wholesale.
[videogames]|17:43 Allen | The defense's main argument, instead, was that the things it copied--everything from the shape and color of the blocks and the way that they rotate to the dimensions of the playfield--were actually integral to the underlying rules of the game, and therefore not subject to copyright protection. The argument, basically, was that Tetris is so simple and abstract that every part of the game is a basic "rule" that can be legally copied.
[videogames]|17:43 K-Y says, "in other news -- TIMING"
[lounge]|17:43 Gunther says, "weigmans? more like david"
[videogames]|17:44 Allen says, "ha!"
[videogames]|17:44 inky says, "hunh"
[videogames]|17:44 K-Y says, "on the other hand, I'm getting paid to read this"
[videogames]|17:45 Allen asks (of K-Y), "so am I. You think I'm doing this on my own time?"
[videogames]|17:45 inky says, "hee hee"
[news]|17:47 Allen says, "ha ha ha ha"
[news]|17:47 Allen | The computers at the Takoma Park library were old and slow, so when five new ones arrived in April, the librarians thought their problem was solved. Not quite. The computers were made by Hewlett-Packard, the Silicon Valley computer manufacturer that has worked on nuclear weapons programs for the U.S. government. That meant the machines were taboo in countercultural Takoma Park, a "nuclear-free zone" since 1983, meaning the city won't do business with companies that make nuclear weapons.
[news]|17:48 Allen | The librarians kept the computers in their boxes, stashed away in a locked storage closet. The boxes were hidden for two months until Tuesday morning, when they were banned no more. On Monday night, the Takoma Park City Council unanimously voted to grant a rare waiver to its ordinance.
[news]|17:48 inky says, "hmm"
[news]|17:48 Roger says, "And to its ordnance."
[news]|17:48 inky says, "ha ha"
[news]|17:48 inky says, "I wonder what computer companies would be safe to buy from for them"
[news]|17:49 Fang asks, "Acer?"
[news]|17:49 Gunther says, "Apple"
[news]|17:49 Allen | Ian Barclay, a 59-year-old Takoma Park native who was visiting the library Tuesday afternoon, said that one of the things he likes about his home town is its pacifist bent. Approving the waiver was a mistake, he said. "It's just a slippery slope," he said. "When you start letting things slide, then where are you going to end up?"
[news]|17:50 Gunther says, "do I detect a combative stance, Mr Barclay? OUT"
[news]|17:50 Fang says, "next they'll be buying ICBMS"
[news]|17:50 two-star says, "In the Potomac, surely."
[videogames]|17:50 K-Y says, "are you billing other people for -- okay, don't answer that"
[lounge]|17:51 DorianX says, "I got another thing today about signing up for medicare"
[news]|17:51 inky says, "in other news"
[news]|17:51 inky | Takoma Park police described the suspect as black , in his 0's, about y 5'11" with a thin athletic build, dark complexion, and short rk hair.
[news]|17:51 inky says, "the baby is considered armed and extremely tall for its age"
[news]|17:51 Roger says, "They grow up so fast these days"
[news]|17:51 Gunther says, "black with a dark complexion"
[politics]|17:52 Allen | The protesters popping up at Mitt Romney's rallies throughout Michigan Tuesday look like run-of-the-mill grassroots liberals -- they wave signs about "the 99 percent," they chant about the Republican's greed, and they describe themselves as a loosely organized coalition of "concerned citizens."
[politics]|17:52 Allen | They're also getting paid, two of the protesters and an Obama campaign official told BuzzFeed.
[politics]|17:52 Allen | Neither of the representatives agreed to give their names, but two protesters said they were getting paid to stand outside of the rally, though their wage is unclear: one said she was getting $7.25 per hour, while another man said they were being paid $17 per hour.
[politics]|17:52 Allen says, "why does the woman get less than half the pay? She needs to sue under the Lily Leadbetter act"
[cycling]|17:53 GDorn | That's where the new blue signal comes in. At Morris and MLK, a bright blue light immediately comes on when the loop detector is activated.
[politics]|17:53 Gunther says, ""they" = more than 1 person"
[politics]|17:53 inky says, "the guy is getting paid by both campaigns"
[politics]|17:53 Gunther says, "also women are weaker and can't hold up heavy signs for as long"
[politics]|17:54 Roger says, "It'd be more fun to be a paid protestor at a Ron Paul event, since I'm pretty sure he'd have to support you in principle."
[politics]|17:54 K-Y says, "they're actually paying Two-Face and Venom to hold up signs"
[politics]|17:54 baf asks, "Who's paying them?"
[politics]|17:54 Gunther says, "Al Gore"
[politics]|17:54 Roger says, "I'll go with Bill Clinton"
[blogenfreude]|17:54 inky says, "this one is lame: http://notalwaysright.com/this-trip-is-not-going-to-pan-ama-out/20985 "
[TV]|17:55 DorianX says, "Jon Stewart doing a Columbo bit on the last Daily Show was great"
[TV]|17:55 Roger says, "Yeah he does do that well"
[lounge]|17:57 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|17:57 Ellison says, "hey all"
[travel]|17:57 Allen | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57455945/octopus-hitches-ride-on-dolphins-genitals/
[travel]|17:58 Gunther says, "#eeeagh y'day"
[travel]|17:58 Gunther says, "or #tmi or #... or whatever"
[travel]|17:58 Gunther says, "this ship has, in other words, sailed"
[travel]|17:58 inky says, "this is total prometheus spoilers"
[travel]|17:59 Iain says, "Ha ha"
[travel]|17:59 Allen says, "for more tmi news, follow me over to #science"
[science]|17:59 Allen | Shell-shocked scientists dig up ancient turtle orgy
[science]|18:00 inky says, "ha ha"
[spam]|18:02 inky says, " http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/167719/WhyFromNigeria.pdf "
[spam]|18:02 inky says, "this guy argues that spammers say they are from nigeria to weed out the non-gullible"
[spam]|18:02 Allen asks, "oh, is this the 'Why do Nigerian Spammers Say They're From Nigeria'?"
[spam]|18:03 Iain says, "Interesting"
[politics]|18:03 K-Y says, "I've actually been wondering how Zynga must handle this kind of thing internally"
[politics]|18:03 K-Y says, "ilac"
[lounge]|18:03 Gunther says, "z z z z z"
[spam]|18:03 inky says (to Allen), "yeah"
[videogames]|18:03 K-Y says, "I've actually been wondering how Zynga must handle this kind of thing internally"
[headlines]|18:04 Allen | The drunken stripper from the Golden Banana, a coven of Salem witches and the 'groping' man horrifically impaled when she crashed into a flatbed truck
[headlines]|18:04 Allen says, "warning, Daily Mail alert: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161820/Salem-witches-support-stripper-arrested-deadly-drunk-driving-crash.html?ICO=most_read_module "
[lounge]|18:04 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[videogames]|18:04 Lionheart asks, "?"
[videogames]|18:04 K-Y says, "like, here is a company that set out and said 'we're going to copy Tetris and make lots of money'"
[headlines]|18:05 Allen | Griffin's uncle, Christian Day, posted on Facebook asking a friend to 'send him energy' to help his niece.  'I need to hex each and every person that would dare harm her,' he wrote.
[videogames]|18:05 GDorn says, "obviously only copy games by publishers that don't have the money to sue you"
[videogames]|18:05 K-Y says, "then proceed to spend all their effort on researching 'how much can we get away with copying,' and admit that in court"
[videogames]|18:05 Lionheart asks, "Oh, so how Zynga deals with cheap Farmville knockoffs, etc?"
[videogames]|18:06 GDorn says, "no, the other way around."
[videogames]|18:06 GDorn says, "Zynga didn't invent Farmville, it's a knockoff."
[videogames]|18:06 K-Y says, "you'd think bigger outfits would probably have internal policies like 'don't call the game by the name of the game we're ripping off'"
[history]|18:07 Fang says, "oooh new Hardcore History"
[history]|18:07 Fang says, "this time about the Mongols"
[videogames]|18:07 K-Y says, "so as to keep up appearances should they get surd"
[videogames]|18:07 K-Y says, "sued"
[lounge]|18:07 DorianX asks, "Any idea how I can get people to stop sending me junk mail targeting people who are turning 65?"
[lounge]|18:08 DorianX says, "The other junk mail I don't mind so much"
[history]|18:08 Allen says, "find out about the T-Rex!"
[headlines]|18:08 Roger says, "Hmmmm I guess some jurisdictions probably still have anti-witchcraft legislation on the books"
[tangent]|18:08 GDorn asks, "has Zynga actually created any game that wasn't a knockoff?"
[videogames]|18:08 inky says, "Smarmville"
[history]|18:08 Fang says, " http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/hharchive/Show-43---Wrath-of-the-Khans-I/Mongols-Genghis-Chingis "
[videogames]|18:09 Iain says, "Angry Hippos, or alternatively Hungry Birds"
[videogames]|18:09 GDorn says, "Words With Frenemies"
[videogames]|18:09 Iain says, "Yay"
[spam]|18:10 Jota asks, "#belated Why would you need to take special measures to weed out the non-gullible?"
[spam]|18:10 Jota asks, "Wouldn't the process itself do that for you?"
[spam]|18:10 Iain asks, "What's the process?"
[spam]|18:10 Iain says, "If it's anything that takes time, just ditching the non-fools as quickly as possible is better value."
[inform]|18:10 dto says, "hi peeps"
[spam]|18:11 Jota says, "Hmm."
[spam]|18:11 inky says (to Jota), "basically, you only want people to reply to you for further followup if they're suckers"
[spam]|18:11 inky says, "so you don't waste your time on people who won't eventually send you money"
[spam]|18:11 Jota asks, "So they're trying to get rid of the people who consider that it might maybe be legit, but aren't sure and want to look into it further before committing?"
[spam]|18:12 Jota says, "Interesting."
[spam]|18:12 Iain says, "This reminds me of that article about the guy who loves getting spam and replies to some of it for their awesome deals and so on."
[spam]|18:12 Iain says, "I don't understand why the US is pissing about waging cyberwar against Iran when they could be focusing their efforts on taking out that guy."
[spam]|18:13 Jota asks (of Iain), "Real article or onionesque?"
[spam]|18:13 Iain says, "I think it was real."
[spam]|18:13 inky says, "he's just a friendly dude"
[spam]|18:13 Jota says, "The notion of 'let's make our scam as crappy as possible to make sure we only get the stupidest people' is hurting my brain."
[spam]|18:14 Iain says, "I sell this great ergonomic swiss-designed cap that can help with that. It's not $40 or $50 like you'd expect, but only $29.99"
[spam]|18:16 Jota says, "Also, this article has introduced me to the interesting term, 'insult rate'."
[spam]|18:17 Jota says, "Which is apparently the percentage of real credit card customers that you accuse of being frauds when they try to use their own cards."
[law]|18:19 Fang | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/oracle-accepts-0-in-damages-from-google-moves-toward-appeal/
[Jotacabana]|18:19 Jota says, "Random thought that periodically goes through my mind:"
[lounge]|18:20 Yuri goes home.
[Jotacabana]|18:20 (from inky) Jota says "Time travel is awesome!"
[spam]|18:20 Iain says, "Ha."
[Jotacabana]|18:20 (from Iain) Jota says, "Huh, deja vu"
[Jotacabana]|18:20 Jota says, "Being smart/educated is self-reinforcing, because people who are already smart/educated are more likely to have the self-confidence to admit when they don't understand something, and thus will be more likely to ask questions/look stuff up/etc."
[Jotacabana]|18:21 Iain says, "Actually apparently that is incorrect"
[Jotacabana]|18:21 Jota asks, "Really?"
[Jotacabana]|18:21 Iain says, "Well, that's my provocative summary of another article I half-remember"
[Jotacabana]|18:21 inky says, "this is sort of the flipside of that -- dunner-krigg thing? whatever it is"
[Jotacabana]|18:21 Iain says, "I ought to be writing for tabloids, really"
[Jotacabana]|18:21 Iain says, "Yeah, that's it"
[Jotacabana]|18:21 inky says, "dunning-kruger"
[Jotacabana]|18:22 Iain says, "I'm searching Ars Technica for stupidity, and getting more hits than I expected."
[Jotacabana]|18:22 inky says, "hee hee"
[Jotacabana]|18:22 Jota says, "Hmm."
[Jotacabana]|18:22 Jota says, "Heh."
[Jotacabana]|18:22 inky says, "but, I mean, it's the flipside in a way that supports what he's saying"
[Jotacabana]|18:22 Jota asks, "What I'm saying?"
[Jotacabana]|18:22 Iain says, "Dunning-Kruger is the false authority thing, where you overestimate your competence at things you don't know."
[Jotacabana]|18:22 inky says, "the smart people know they don't know, so they do the research and get smarter (I guess)"
[Jotacabana]|18:23 Jota says, "Hmm."
[Jotacabana]|18:23 Iain says, "And apparently smart and educated people are actually not better at avoiding it."
[Jotacabana]|18:23 Jota says, "But there are cases where a person doesn't understand something, but doesn't ask, and then later on if you press them on it, they won't have a good explanation for why they didn't ask."
[Jotacabana]|18:23 Jota says, "Which is the sort of thing that usually suggests embarrassment to me."
[videogames]|18:23 K-Y asks, "remember Scrabulous?"
[Jotacabana]|18:24 Jota says (to Iain), "That sounds like Dunning-Kruger."
[videogames]|18:24 K-Y says, "that seems like a while ago now"
[Jotacabana]|18:24 Jota says, "But like, for instance, if I'm at the doctor's office, and she suddenly drops a word I don't know into the middle of a sentence, I'm going to ask what that means."
[Jotacabana]|18:25 Iain says, "Aha! Found it: http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/05/revisiting-why-incompetents-think-theyre-awesome/ "
[Jotacabana]|18:25 Jota says, "But I get the impression that many folks will just numbly nod and hope that things will make more sense later."
[Jotacabana]|18:25 inky says (to Jota), "anyway, I don't actually think this is an education thing, I think this is a personality thing"
[Jotacabana]|18:25 inky says, "like another hypothetical person who is just as educated as you might figure they can work it out from context later so they don't need to ask now"
[Jotacabana]|18:25 Iain says (to Jota), "Hmm, that's a confidence thing, but I'm not sure it's as strongly correlated with intelligence as you think."
[Jotacabana]|18:26 Jota says, "But I also get the impression that some of those people are folks who would be embarrassed about having to ask something when the doctor is just dropping the words in matter-of-factly as if they were perfectly normal."
[Jotacabana]|18:26 inky says, "or they might be smart but still worry about looking dumb"
[Jotacabana]|18:26 Jota says (to Iain), "That's why I said smart/educated, since I wasn't sure if it was more an intelligence or an education thing."
[Jotacabana]|18:26 Iain says, "Ah, I see"
[Jotacabana]|18:26 Iain says, "I try to do that when I need to, but it takes guts sometimes."
[Jotacabana]|18:27 Jota says, "I guess it partly has to do with context."
[Jotacabana]|18:27 Jota says, "Like, if I was in a room with a bunch of coders, and someone started talking matter-of-factly about some programming-related thing, I guess then I'd be embarrassed to interrupt and say 'wait, what the heck is that?'"
[Jotacabana]|18:28 Jota says, "And I am a lot more educated about programming than medicine."
[Jotacabana]|18:28 Jota says, "So I have no idea now."
[Jotacabana]|18:28 Iain says, "Hmm, I'm not sure that's the article I was thinking of, but what the hell, it's still interesting."
[Jotacabana]|18:29 Jota says, "It is inconvenient to accidentally refute your original thesis."
[Jotacabana]|18:29 inky says, "heh"
[Jotacabana]|18:29 inky says, "it sounds like for you it's a matter of whether you feel like you're expected to know the term or not"
[Jotacabana]|18:30 Iain says, "It's probably better in the vast majority of cases to go ahead and ask the dumb question."
[lounge]|18:30 DavidW materializes out from a silver haze in the light.
[lounge]|18:30 DavidW says, "hello"
[Jotacabana]|18:31 Jota says (to inky), "Or more precisely, whether or not I *should* be expected to know the term."
[Jotacabana]|18:31 Iain says, "There's a lot of indirection there."
[Jotacabana]|18:31 Jota says, "If someone expects me to know something, but I know that's an unjustified expectation, then I'll feel different from if I'm thinking it's a justified expectation that I'm failing to meet."
[Jotacabana]|18:31 inky says, "ha ha"
[Jotacabana]|18:32 inky says, "yeah fair enough"
[Jotacabana]|18:32 Iain says, "Even if it's justified it's probably better to ask anyway."
[Jotacabana]|18:32 Iain says, "Or maybe this is one of those ask/guess things."
[Jotacabana]|18:33 inky says, "hmm"
[Jotacabana]|18:33 Jota says, "(E.g., if the doctor has forgotten that normal people don't know medical jargon, then I don't feel bad about correcting them on it. If someone is using programming jargon, I'm more likely to think that maybe I probably should have known.)"
[Jotacabana]|18:33 Iain says, "'hmm, I have no idea what BitSweeper is, but I can pretend for now and look it up after the meeting'"
[Jotacabana]|18:33 inky says, "sometimes I do that, yeah"
[Jotacabana]|18:33 Roger says, "This is one of those things that's get easier as you get older, as you can pretend to be hard of hearing and ask people to repeat themselves."
[Jotacabana]|18:33 inky says, "if you don't do it a lot, it's usually better to just ask in my experience"
[Jotacabana]|18:33 inky says, "but you don't want to be the annoying guy who does it all the time"
[Jotacabana]|18:33 inky says, "(at work)"
[Jotacabana]|18:33 Iain says, "I've gotten pretty good at asking people to explain acronyms."
[Jotacabana]|18:33 inky says, "(for the doctor, who cares)"
[Jotacabana]|18:33 Jota says, "Also, the stakes matter too."
[Jotacabana]|18:34 Iain says (to inky), "Ennh somebody has to do it"
[Jotacabana]|18:34 Roger says, "Maybe it's just me, but now that I think about it, doctors are pretty good about saying "wait what are you talking about" at least to me."
[Jotacabana]|18:34 Iain says, "Otherwise we'd all be using TLAs LRC in IMs and VCs 24/7"
[Jotacabana]|18:34 Jota says, "I'm more likely to speak up when, say, my boss is asking me to do something, and I don't understand what he's asking, than if it's just a conversation with my peers."
[Jotacabana]|18:34 inky says (to Roger), "hmm"
[Jotacabana]|18:34 inky asks, "so you are saying doctors are good at asking you for clarification?"
[Jotacabana]|18:35 Roger says, "The ones I've run into have been."
[Jotacabana]|18:35 Jota asks (of Iain), "What is 'LRC'?"
[Jotacabana]|18:35 Jota asks (of Roger), "Do you use computer jargon that they don't understand?"
[Jotacabana]|18:35 Iain says, "Left Right and Centre"
[Jotacabana]|18:35 Iain says, "Although really I just made it up"
[Jotacabana]|18:35 inky says, "hee hee"
[Jotacabana]|18:35 Iain says, "I'm hoping it'll catch on because it sounds good"
[Jotacabana]|18:35 Jota says, "Ha ha."
[Jotacabana]|18:36 Iain says, "BitSweeper is a project a colleague of mine made up, as a parody of obscure project codenames."
[Jotacabana]|18:36 Iain says, "I think he later moved on to MegaSteve"
[Jotacabana]|18:36 inky says, "ha ha"
[Jotacabana]|18:36 inky says, "MegaSteve is really funny"
[Jotacabana]|18:36 Jota says, "Eventually, there might be a merger."
[Jotacabana]|18:37 Roger says, "Hmmm it might be a bad tendency to misuse misunderstood medical jargon myself, now that I think about it."
[Jotacabana]|18:37 Jota says, "Then he'd have to work on MegaBitSteever."
[ads]|18:37 DavidW says, "#startrek #laundry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l96aDWIbn48 "
[Jotacabana]|18:37 inky says, "bitsweeper could just be a garbage collector or something"
[Jotacabana]|18:37 Iain says, "It could be anything! It's the perfect name."
[Jotacabana]|18:37 inky says, "but MegaSteve is totally the thing Steve Jobs made as a robot exoskeleton for himself"
[Jotacabana]|18:37 Jota says, "Or MbS, for maximum cryptosis."
[Jotacabana]|18:37 Iain says, "Hee hee"
[tangent]|18:37 Roger says, "Oh that reminds me"
[tangent]|18:38 Roger says, "There's this radio ad playing here now that cracks me up every time"
[tangent]|18:38 Roger says, "It's for electronics recycling"
[Jotacabana]|18:38 Jota says (to inky), "He had plans to upload his intellect into it when he died, thus achieving immortality."
[tangent]|18:38 Roger says, "And they say "we've already recycled four hundred thousand Gee Bees of computers.""
[programming]|18:38 Iain says, "I'm noodling around with genetic algorithms."
[Jotacabana]|18:38 Jota says, "Unfortunately, the app store review period was too slow and he didn't survive long enough."
[tangent]|18:38 Ellison says, "weird"
[programming]|18:38 Iain says, "It's good fun, but my having my algorithms reproduce randomly isn't working as quickly as I'd like."
[programming]|18:39 Iain says, "I feel like I need a much more structured breeding programme, but then I feel a little bit like a Nazi."
[programming]|18:39 Roger asks, "Are they mutating too?"
[programming]|18:39 Iain says, "Or at least a Bene Gesserit."
[Jotacabana]|18:40 Jota . o O ( I guess this conversation is over. )
[programming]|18:40 Iain says (to Roger), "Yep. I'm considering tossing in some radioactive spiders too."
[Jotacabana]|18:40 inky says, "hee hee"
[Jotacabana]|18:40 Jota . o O ( ...time travel is awesome... )
[Jotacabana]|18:40 inky says, "I was going to make a "unfortunately cancer created a bigger exoskeleton for itself" joke but I decided it was too tasteless"
[Jotacabana]|18:41 Roger says, "Also that sort of discomfort can sneak up on you."
[Jotacabana]|18:41 Roger says, "Like I'm getting increasingly disturbed by not knowing what the 'euro zone' actually is."
[Jotacabana]|18:41 Iain says, "Ha ha"
[Jotacabana]|18:41 Roger says, "Meanwhile I hardly care at all I never really figured out 'Betamax'"
[Jotacabana]|18:42 Jota says, "It's a trendy new fusion restaurant downtown."
[tangent]|18:42 Ellison says, "I, on the other hand, have decided I like these Gold Bond commercials I see late at night. it's almost like their jingo was written by the Lonely Island: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NGhJKrmQdE "
[tangent]|18:42 inky says, "wow"
[tangent]|18:42 inky says, "ok, I read that as "bee gees" for a good five minutes"
[Jotacabana]|18:42 Iain says (to Roger), "It's really straightforward: http://boingboing.net/2011/03/12/venn-diagram-illustr.html "
[Jotacabana]|18:42 Jota says, "They serve schnitzel au vin and spaghetti burritors."
[Jotacabana]|18:42 Jota says, "(Side note: I actually saw spaghetti burritos in the frozen foods section of my local supermarket last weekend.)"
[Jotacabana]|18:43 Iain asks, "Spaghetti... burritos?"
[Jotacabana]|18:43 inky says, "hmm"
[Jotacabana]|18:43 Iain asks, "Is the spaghetti inside?"
[Jotacabana]|18:43 inky asks, "is it spaghetti noodles and sauce wrapped up in a tortilla?"
[tangent]|18:43 Ellison says, "er, jingle"
[Jotacabana]|18:43 Jota says, "Yeah."
[Jotacabana]|18:43 inky says, "I guess I would eat that"
[Jotacabana]|18:43 Iain says, "With meatballs, I hope"
[Jotacabana]|18:43 Jota says, "Hee hee."
[Jotacabana]|18:44 Jota says, "Ladies and gentlemen: America."
[Jotacabana]|18:44 inky says, "I don't really see the point, but if I had it handy and was hungry"
[Jotacabana]|18:44 Iain says, "Sounds sort of like a really big spring roll"
[Jotacabana]|18:44 Roger says, "And eventually if enough people don't know what 4G is, it just stops being anything."
[Jotacabana]|18:46 Iain says, "Wait wait wait"
[Jotacabana]|18:46 Iain asks, "*Frozen* spaghetti burritos??"
[Jotacabana]|18:46 Iain says, "Frozen spaghetti just seems bizarre"
[Jotacabana]|18:46 Jota says, "Frozen burritos are a longstanding American tradition."
[Jotacabana]|18:47 Roger says, "Yo dawg I heard you liked cylindrical foodstuffs"
[Jotacabana]|18:47 Jota says, "They go back to the times when our forefathers brought the first microwave ovens over on the Mayflower."
[programming]|18:47 marc says, "hee hee"
[Jotacabana]|18:47 DavidW says, "I have no problem with frozen spaghetti or frozen burritos, but spaghetti burritos seems a bit off; too much starch."
[Jotacabana]|18:47 Jota says (to W), "I agree."
[Jotacabana]|18:48 Iain says, "If there's no more spaghetti than there would be rice in a normal burrito, that's fine."
[Jotacabana]|18:48 DavidW says, "That said, if there was one in front of me right now, I would eat one."
[Jotacabana]|18:48 inky says, "it seems like -- yeah"
[Jotacabana]|18:48 Iain says, "Ha ha ha"
[Jotacabana]|18:48 inky says, "ha ha"
[Jotacabana]|18:48 Jota says, "Ha ha."
[Jotacabana]|18:48 inky says, "ladies and gentlemen: canada"
[Jotacabana]|18:48 Jota says, "Yay."
[Jotacabana]|18:48 Roger says, "Now a meatball burrito... heck, I could go for one of those."
[Jotacabana]|18:49 Jota says, "I think we call those 'hot pockets'."
[Jotacabana]|18:49 DavidW says, "hey, I'll even eat a curry potato burrito if you have one."
[tangent]|18:49 Iain asks, "Have people seen the 'monads are burritos' thing?"
[Jotacabana]|18:49 Jota says, "I am even leery of bean burritos."
[tangent]|18:49 inky says, "ha ha"
[Jotacabana]|18:49 Jota says, "I know they're high in protein, but they still feel starchy to me."
[tangent]|18:49 inky asks, "are you sure you aren't thinking of nomads? with their tents?"
[tangent]|18:49 Jota asks, "Or moleeds?"
[tangent]|18:49 Roger says, "Or gonads"
[Jotacabana]|18:50 inky says, "plus they weren't that great in KoL"
[Jotacabana]|18:50 Roger says, "Ha it really does sound KoLish"
[tangent]|18:50 Iain says, " http://chrisdone.com/posts/2012-01-06-monads-are-burritos.html "
[lounge]|18:50 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|18:50 K-Y says, "re"
[tangent]|18:51 Roger says, "This is the depths to which I've been debased: I'm afraid to click on that because I'm not sure it might not be a Prometheus spoiler."
[tangent]|18:51 inky says, "now I am sketching out this Matrix scene where Neo is offered two burritos, and if he eats the correct one he learns Haskell"
[tangent]|18:51 Iain says, "The date is in ISO format! It's from January!"
[lounge]|18:51 DorianX says, "Today's nws weather icon: their http://forecast.weather.gov/images/wtf/hot.jpg "
[tangent]|18:51 Iain says, "So it can't be a Prometheus spoiler"
[lounge]|18:51 DorianX says, "Note the WTF"
[tangent]|18:51 inky says, "it's not a prometheus spoiler, but it does have one panel where the burrito guy looks like one of the monsters from prometheus"
[lounge]|18:52 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[lounge]|18:52 inky says, "way too fucking (hot)"
[tangent]|18:52 Iain says, "This is good too: http://blog.plover.com/prog/burritos.html "
[tangent]|18:52 Roger says, "Eat this burrito, and find out how spicy Taco Bell's Face Inferno really is."
[tangent]|18:52 Iain says, "Kind of meta-meta-commentry on the whole burrito brouhaha."
[tangent]|18:53 Roger says, "I'm still sort of surprised that a burrito is not a little burro."
[tangent]|18:54 inky says, "that is the etymology, this says"
[tangent]|18:54 inky says, "but it doesn't explain why"
[videogames]|18:54 K-Y says, "okay, never mind all that"
[tangent]|18:54 inky says, "it looks like it's not settled, in fact"
[videogames]|18:54 K-Y says, "Avengers Pinball is out"
[tangent]|18:55 Roger says, "Hunh"
[tangent]|18:55 Iain says, "Yeah, it can take several hours for a burrito to settle"
[lounge]|18:55 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|18:55 * Ellison has disconnected.
[names]|18:55 Roger says, "Burrito would make a good name.  Hi, I'm Jim Burrito."
[names]|18:56 Iain says, "Better as a first name, surely."
[names]|18:56 Roger says, "I find myself leaning towards the family on this one."
[names]|18:56 Iain says, "Hi, I'm Burrito 'Megasteve' Jim."
[names]|18:56 inky says (to Iain), "ha ha"
[names]|18:56 inky asks, "would you rather be named Burrito Taco or Taco Burrito?"
[names]|18:57 Roger says, "So ineffable."
[names]|18:57 inky says, "shit, I mean Spaghetti Burrito"
[names]|18:57 K-Y says (to inky), "well, for the former you'd just get lost in the crowd on okcupid"
[names]|18:57 Roger says, "I'll file "Burrito Taco or Taco Burrito?" under good band-names, though."
[names]|18:57 Iain says, "Spaghetti Burrito rolls off the tongue beautifully"
[names]|18:57 Iain says, "And you can quote me on that, Spago Bell"
[names]|18:57 Iain says, "The other way round, not so much."
[names]|18:58 Roger says, "Haha that sounds like a lame engrish way to try to racially-insult someone.  Go back home, you goddamned spago."
[names]|18:59 Roger says, "This is why I can never explain to anyone what I've been doing all day."
[tangent]|19:01 McMartin says, "There are places in the Spanish-Speaking world where 'small donkey' *is* the only meaning of 'burrito'"
[tangent]|19:02 Jon says, "those are sad places"
[tangent]|19:02 K-Y says (to Jon), "can't finish that in one sitting, eh"
[IRTA]|19:02 Ryan | Free Willy (1993) and its first sequel Starship Troopers (1997)
[IRTA]|19:03 Ryan says, "(missed the semicolon after "sequel")"
[tangent]|19:03 McMartin says, "As an estadounidense it completely croggles me that 'taco' is down at like definition 11 for 'taco'."
[lounge]|19:04 Iain says, "Night"
[lounge]|19:04 Iain leaps astride a mountain pony and gallops off bareback for reinforcements.
[tangent]|19:06 Jon asks, "Which taco did you mean, the taco or the taco?"
[tangent]|19:07 McMartin says, "'swear word' was above 'taco' on the definition list"
[tangent]|19:07 McMartin says, "(The core meaning is apparently 'wadding', which I get)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:08 McMartin says, "Argh."
[tangent]|19:08 baf says, "I was seeing it postulated recently that the name for the food derives from a sort of simple explosive charge, made of a bit of gunpowder in a fold of paper, used in the mines of old Mexico."
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:08 McMartin | Who's got two thumbs and is represented by alphanumeric symbols? d0b
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:09 McMartin says, "Though b0d works better"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:10 inky says, "ha ha"
[tangent]|19:14 Roger says, "So you put the small improvised explosive in the small donkey and kablammo, there's your burrito taco"
[lounge]|19:16 Matthew goes home.
[tangent]|19:16 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|19:16 Roger says, "Sigh guess I should go home or something."
[lounge]|19:18 inky says, "alas"
[lounge]|19:19 * Roger has disconnected.
[lounge]|19:19 * Roger has connected.
[headlines]|19:19 Roger says, "Okay wait I need to share this first"
[headlines]|19:20 Roger | 450-pound man is 100 pounds of scrotum
[housing]|19:20 K-Y says, "hmm, mysterious"
[headlines]|19:20 inky says, "ha ha"
[headlines]|19:20 inky says, "I hope he has a wheelbarrow"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:20 Lionheart says, "That would look less like "someone wearing headphones""
[headlines]|19:20 maga asks, "elephantiasis?"
[housing]|19:20 K-Y says, "the garbage disposal for our building has been completely filled to the brim by unknown individuals"
[housing]|19:21 K-Y says, "unknown *architect* individuals"
[housing]|19:22 K-Y says, "everything inside is miniature models of houses"
[headlines]|19:23 Lionheart says, "scrotal lymphedema."
[headlines]|19:23 Lionheart says, "water on the balls."
[housing]|19:24 inky blinks
[headlines]|19:27 Lionheart says, "Huh, he turned down an offer from Dr. Oz to pay for surgery, because he didn't want to give up the rights to his story."
[lounge]|19:30 two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
[lounge]|19:33 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|19:33 Jota greets.
[housing]|19:35 Jota recaps.
[housing]|19:35 Jota says, "Wow, highly appropriate use of channel."
[lounge]|19:35 borowski's corporeal form was TP'ed while he was astral projecting.
[lounge]|19:35 * borowski has disconnected.
[housing]|19:37 inky says, "hee hee"
[lounge]|19:40 Roger goes home.
[lounge]|19:40 * Roger has disconnected.
[politics]|19:40 GDorn | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/551630_3947934813044_91086777_n.jpg
[politics]|19:40 GDorn asks, "I've been sorta ignoring politics lately...  has Obama actually taken a stand against corporate personhood?"
[politics]|19:41 McMartin says, "I'd be rather surprised if he did in the sense of what corporate personhood actually means"
[politics]|19:42 McMartin says, "I wouldn't be tremendously surprised if he'd something to the effect of how it's good to prioritize actually people over business fictions at some point somewhere to someone."
[politics]|19:42 GDorn says, "oh.  I guess he criticized the Citizens United ruling."
[politics]|19:42 GDorn | http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/30/news/la-justice-stevens-obama-right-on-campaign-spending-ruling-20120530
[politics]|19:44 McMartin says, "Yeah, bear in mind that 'corporate personhood' really just means that it is legally sensible to 'sue IBM' or have IBM sue someone"
[politics]|19:44 McMartin says, "That they can exist as a standalone, single legal entity instead of finding people working there to be the specific targets/sources of litigation"
[politics]|19:45 inky says, "it doesn't "just mean" anything necessarily"
[politics]|19:45 inky says, "like, the degree to which they get to be considered or not considered people is part of the ongoing legal debate"
[politics]|19:45 McMartin says, "OK, let me rephrase that statement slightly"
[politics]|19:46 McMartin says, "The most restrictive version of 'corporate personhood' is completely noncontroversial with basically everyone"
[politics]|19:48 inky says, "yeah"
[politics]|19:48 McMartin says, "As a result I don't think you'll ever see a politician come out against 'corporate personhood' per se unless they're also the kind of crank that thinks savings accounts are unconstitutional"
[politics]|19:49 McMartin says, "I don't actually know this, but I'd speculate that whether you have this singular identity is the difference between a corp and a limited liability partnership"
[lounge]|19:56 Rob comes right on in.
[lounge]|19:56 Rob says, "zrmblf"
[lounge]|19:58 McMartin says, "The Onion Author"
[lounge]|20:00 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[lounge]|20:00 Rob says, "Gy"
[lounge]|20:00 Gerynar says, "Howdy howdy"
[lounge]|20:01 Gerynar asks, "How is everyone this fine eve?"
[lounge]|20:01 Jota says, "Warm."
[lounge]|20:01 Jota asks, "Et tu?"
[lounge]|20:02 Gerynar says, "AC's working fine, so I'm comfortable"
[videogames]|20:02 K-Y says, "man, the Infinity Gauntlet table is wacky"
[language]|20:03 Jota says, "I wonder how annoying it would be to mix Latin/Greek with chatspeak."
[language]|20:03 Jota says, "E.g., '&2?'"
[language]|20:07 Gerynar says, "Caesar non supra grammaticos"
[language]|20:07 inky says, "heh"
[language]|20:09 DavidW says, "[centurion needed]"
[lounge]|20:11 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|20:11 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:12 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[lounge]|20:12 Rob says, "oops, game night"
[lounge]|20:12 Rob moseys right on out.
[lounge]|20:12 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|20:12 * Emily has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:26 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|20:26 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:30 DorianX says, "It must be fun to be a jewish grandmother"
[lounge]|20:31 DorianX says, "Yiddish is full of fun words to say to a baby. Like Meschuggana and Schmutz and Schmekle"
[videogames]|20:35 baf says, "The source material for the Infinity Gauntlet table is itself pretty wacky."
[lounge]|20:35 McMartin says, "I have it on good authority that if you're a Jewish Grandmother everyone just leaves you all alone in the dark to starve to death all the time."
[lounge]|20:35 McMartin says, "Even YOUR OWN FAMILY"
[lounge]|20:35 McMartin says, "But don't mind them, they'll just be over there, all alone"
[lounge]|20:36 inky says, "ok zip"
[lounge]|20:36 inky got credit for creating Common and the concept of money, for generating lots of art and literature, and for being the very best at killing his enemies.
[lounge]|20:36 McMartin says, "(Something of a side note - given that there is an *additional* adage to the effect of 'all grandmothers are Jewish', how did this start out as a Jewish (or presumably Jewish-American) stereotype anyway?)"
[programming]|20:37 McMartin asks, "Am I the only person who hates the word 'configurator'?"
[programming]|20:37 McMartin says, "It needs 'Trogdor the' in front."
[lounge]|20:37 maga asks, "there's a similar stereotype about a lot of immigrant grandparents, no?"
[lounge]|20:38 McMartin says, "It seems pretty recognizable even after six or seven generations"
[lounge]|20:38 Emily arrives.
[videogames]|20:40 K-Y says, "indeed"
[videogames]|20:40 K-Y says, "appropriately, this is perhaps the only pinball table that delivers a long heroic monologue before you even start"
[lounge]|20:40 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:40 * Gerynar has connected.
[lounge]|20:41 Gerynar says, "Someday, they'll invent an inexspensive internet that doesn't have problems"
[videogames]|20:42 Jota says, "That seems like the sort of thing that's get pretty tiresome the third or fourth time you play."
[videogames]|20:43 K-Y says, "well, you can skip it"
[videogames]|20:48 DorianX asks, "IS there any relationship between Alan Wake and Deadly Premonition?"
[lounge]|20:48 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:48 * Gerynar has connected.
[videogames]|20:49 DorianX says, "They look like they might bear a familiar resemblance"
[lounge]|20:54 boucher eat beans. Beans taste good. Num num num. Why violence in streets?
[lucence]|20:57 Lucea says, "boston: still mostly up in the air-ish"
[lucence]|20:58 Ryan says, "World's first levitating city"
[lounge]|20:58 DorianX says, "Heh. Leah just showed me a cartoon of a wolf standing outside the third little pig's house, giving money to the Kool-Aid man"
[lounge]|20:59 Gerynar says, "heh...smart wolf"
[lucence]|20:59 Lucea says, "friday's almost certainly a no; the rest right now depends if I can convince a friend who's into IF (has a mud account, etc.) to go too"
[lucence]|21:02 genericgeekgirl says, "Aw. I hope you can make it."
[lounge]|21:07 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[markm-chat]|21:11 * genericgeekgirl has joined the channel.
[vimesical]|21:12 * genericgeekgirl has joined the channel.
[lounge]|21:13 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[lounge]|21:25 inky is pretty sleuthy for a music teacher.
[lounge]|21:26 maga says, "hey inky"
[lounge]|21:26 inky says, "bloot"
[lucence]|21:30 Lucea says, "I probably can either way - I mean, I paid for the badge"
[lounge]|21:31 Angelina arrives from the east.
[lounge]|21:31 Gerynar says, "Howdy"
[lounge]|21:31 Angelina asks, "Hello?"
[lounge]|21:32 Gerynar waves to Angelina
[lounge]|21:33 Angelina says, "How did you do that? This is my first time using any kind of MUD, and I'm a little confused. Actually, a lot confused. I have the beginners guide up in another window but it's slightly confusing..."
[lounge]|21:34 Angelina says, "Never mind, just read the emote section."
[lounge]|21:34 Gerynar says, "Instead of starting your text with say or a double quote, start it with a colon (e.g. : runs in circles would show up as "Gerynar ) ok fine then, don't give me time to answer :) :)"
[lounge]|21:34 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|21:35 Olly says, "Hello, MUDsters."
[lounge]|21:35 Olly says (to Angelina), "Welcome, newcomer."
[lounge]|21:35 Gerynar says (to Angelina), "might want to join the channel #newbie (type @joinch #newbie)"
[lounge]|21:35 Gerynar waves to Olly
[lounge]|21:35 Angelina exclaims, "Thank you!"
[lounge]|21:36 Gerynar says, "To talk on a channel, type #channel-name stuff you want to say. Once you start talking on a channel, you can use a semi colon as a shortcut for the last #channel you talked on"
[lounge]|21:37 Olly says, "Example: #newbie Hello, world."
[lounge]|21:39 Gerynar says, "So, what brings you to the wonderful ifMUD, Angelina"
[lounge]|21:39 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|21:39 Jota greets.
[lounge]|21:39 Olly says, "Hello, Jota."
[lounge]|21:40 vimes says, "greeting protocol 3.5 engaged: hi folks"
[lounge]|21:40 maga says, "jotito"
[lounge]|21:40 BrenBarn busta.
[lounge]|21:40 Olly exclaims, "Busta busta busta!"
[lounge]|21:41 inky says, "so much busta-ing, so little parsing"
[lounge]|21:42 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|21:42 * Emily has disconnected.
[lounge]|21:44 Olly balances their toad on their nose.
[lounge]|21:44 Olly says, "Fun stuff."
[lounge]|21:45 Emily arrives.
[lounge]|21:45 Olly says, "Hello, Emily."
[lounge]|21:47 Olly gives an imaginary flower to Angelina.
[lounge]|21:47 Angelina accept gracefully.
[ollyprattle]|21:51 Olly says, "I went to the grocery store.  Now I have food."
[ollyprattle]|21:51 genericgeekgirl says, "w00t"
[ollyprattle]|21:52 Gerynar says, "yay! food is good, unless it's junk food, then it's bad (unless it's Hershey bars, which are always good)"
[lounge]|21:52 Angelina goes home.
[ollyprattle]|21:52 Olly says, "I bought powdered milk.  Powdered milk used to be significantly cheaper than fresh milk, but it isn't any longer."
[ollyprattle]|21:52 Jota asks, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Since when are Hershey bars good?"
[ollyprattle]|21:53 Olly says, "Quite."
[ollyprattle]|21:53 Gerynar says, "because they're chocolate...admittedly they aren't as good as El Rey, but then again, they don't cost as much as El Rey chocolate does"
[ollyprattle]|21:54 Olly says, "They are not as good as pretty much any brand of chocolate you care to name."
[ollyprattle]|21:54 Jota says, "Indeed."
[ollyprattle]|21:55 Gerynar says, "slather enough peanut butter on a Hershey bar and it's quite tasty"
[ollyprattle]|21:55 Olly says, "I try not to eat chocolate, though.  It gives me headaches."
[lounge]|21:55 Emily says, "belated hey"
[ollyprattle]|21:56 Gerynar asks, "how about Dots? can you eat Dots candy?"
[ollyprattle]|21:57 Olly says, "Yes.  I like gummy candy."
[lounge]|21:57 Gerynar says, "How about Crows? (licorice Dots)"
[ollyprattle]|21:58 Olly says, "Yes, those too."
[ollyprattle]|21:58 Olly says, "Sometimes I buy anise bears at my local candy shop."
[ollyprattle]|21:59 Olly says, "Or maybe these ones are licorice bears.  The anise bears were in Indiana."
[ollyprattle]|22:00 Gerynar says, "nobody in my family besides me (or my paternal grandmother) likes licorice flavored anything"
[ollyprattle]|22:01 Olly says, "Remarkable."
[ollyprattle]|22:02 Olly says, "My paternal grandmother has liked licorice all her life, but when she was a child she stopped eating it because her brother told her it was made from horse blood."
[ollyprattle]|22:02 Gerynar asks, "kids those days, huh?"
[ollyprattle]|22:03 Olly says, "Yeah."
[ollyprattle]|22:03 DavidW says, "Perhaps I should look up how Jello is made."
[ollyprattle]|22:04 Olly says, "Or perhaps not."
[English]|22:07 Olly says, "'Blancmange' derives from a phrase meaning 'white food.'"
[videogames]|22:07 K-Y says, "the Fear Itself table just reminds you of how the Fear Itself story made no sense"
[videogames]|22:07 K-Y says, "although you don't really care if a pinball table makes no sense, so that's fine"
[English]|22:07 inky says, "well sure"
[DrawSomething]|22:07 Jota says, "Grr. It's started doing this thing where I'm drawing a line, but nothing shows up on screen."
[English]|22:07 Olly says, "I know very little French."
[English]|22:08 Olly says, "I was only able to anticipate the 'white' part."
[English]|22:08 DavidW says, "'mangxi' means 'to eat' in Esperanto."
[English]|22:09 Olly says, "It seems like a humorously general description."
[lounge]|22:09 maga says, "okay, off"
[DrawSomething]|22:10 Jota says, "Until several seconds later, after I already assume it didn't take and was trying again, so I get two marks, neither of which I could actually see while I was drawing."
[English]|22:10 Jota says, "Obviously you'd never find a black person willing to touch it."
[lag]|22:10 Jota asks, "Is anyone else getting crazy lag?"
[lag]|22:10 inky says, "hmm, I don't think so"
[lag]|22:10 Olly says, "I'm not."
[lounge]|22:10 maga's studied dalliance with his venal muses is little to our taste.
[lag]|22:10 Jota says, "I think I just emerged from out the other side."
[English]|22:11 Gerynar says, "whenever I hear the word "Blancmange" all I can think of is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1sYgknWGSA "
[ollyprattle]|22:11 Olly sings, "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high, and don't be afraid of the dark."
[English]|22:12 Jota says, "I don't think I've ever seen one in real life."
[DrawSomething]|22:13 Jota says, "Oh, man. I think this guy must be dyslexic."
[DrawSomething]|22:13 Jota says, "He started with SPOK, to which he eventually added a Y to fill out the letter count."
[DrawSomething]|22:14 Jota says, "Then he tried SPPOK."
[DrawSomething]|22:14 Jota says, "Then he spent a bomb to get rid of some letters."
[DrawSomething]|22:14 Jota says, "Then he went for SCPOK."
[DrawSomething]|22:14 Jota says, "(Then he finally got it right.)"
[ollyprattle]|22:15 Olly says, "I don't think I have, either.  I looked it up because it was mentioned in a book I've been reading, and I didn't know what it was."
[ollyprattle]|22:15 Olly says, "ilac"
[English]|22:15 Olly says, "I don't think I have, either.  I looked it up because it was mentioned in a book I've been reading, and I didn't know what it was."
[English]|22:16 Olly says, "I've had jello with milk in it, though."
[English]|22:16 Olly says, "Perhaps that counts."
[DrawSomething]|22:17 inky says, "dang"
[English]|22:18 Olly says, "It was molded in the shape of a brain."
[lounge]|22:19 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[English]|22:19 Olly says, "Blancmange seems to have eggs in it."
[lounge]|22:20 Olly says, "Hello, jenrexrode."
[lounge]|22:20 jenrexrode says, "hiya"
[DrawSomething]|22:20 Jota says, "After that, I am unsure if I dare attempt 'hercules' as my next word."
[DrawSomething]|22:21 jenrexrode says, "haha"
[lounge]|22:22 Roger can destroy an entire night of adventuring just by haggling over a studded leather jerkin or a basket-hilted rapier.
[lounge]|22:22 Olly says, "Hello, Roger."
[headlines]|22:22 Roger says, "Belatedly, yeah, all that.  Thanks, other mud members, for picking up the slack."
[lounge]|22:23 Roger says, "Hello, Oily."
[lounge]|22:23 Olly says, "Heh."
[ollyprattle]|22:23 Roger says, "I think Jello is all non-animal now"
[ollyprattle]|22:23 Olly says, "Wow."
[ollyprattle]|22:24 inky says, "hmm that seems unlikely to me"
[ollyprattle]|22:24 Roger says, "I could be mistaken; I might be thinking of Kodak's photographic gelatin or something."
[ollyprattle]|22:24 Roger says, "Or otherwise confused"
[DrawSomething]|22:24 jenrexrode says, "I wouldn't draw Hercules again, unless I was feeling really energetic"
[DrawSomething]|22:25 jenrexrode | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3225147347597&l=be7a3d3c4c
[ollyprattle]|22:25 DavidW says, "I know gelatin _can_ be made without using animals, and perhaps some Jello products are that way, but i doubt all of them are."
[ollyprattle]|22:25 inky says, "there definitely is vegetarian gelatin substitutes"
[ollyprattle]|22:25 inky says, "and kosher gelatin"
[ollyprattle]|22:25 inky says, "(which is I think just made from different animals, or different parts of the animal)"
[ollyprattle]|22:25 inky | Because the collagen is processed extensively, the final product is not categorized as a meat or animal product by the federal government. Very strict vegetarians avoid gelatin entirely, but more permissive vegetarians have no problem including JELL-O in their diets.
[ollyprattle]|22:26 Roger says, "D'oh, snopes says I'm wrong.  Whoops."
[ollyprattle]|22:26 jenrexrode says, "pink slime is thoroughly processed, too"
[ollyprattle]|22:27 Olly says (to Roger), "It comes from animals, it's just processed until it isn't an animal product any more."
[ollyprattle]|22:28 Roger says, "What if you could genetically engineer really gelatinous jellyfish"
[dinner]|22:29 jenrexrode says, "watermelon, because I had ice cream for brunch"
[ollyprattle]|22:29 Bishop says, "Jellyfish are actually too stringy to ever be really gelatinous."
[ollyprattle]|22:29 Roger says, "I've had enough of this treacherous sea"
[dinner]|22:29 (from jenrexrode) Roger says, "gee, I can't win around here"
[ollyprattle]|22:30 Bishop says, "I imagine konnyu and/or agar would make half decent vegan jello."
[ollyprattle]|22:30 Bishop says, "Er, konnyaku."
[dinner]|22:30 Roger asks, "What'd I do now?"
[dinner]|22:30 jenrexrode says, "ilac"
[dinner]|22:31 Roger says, "Oh."
[dinner]|22:31 jenrexrode says, "gettin' beat up on #olly"
[dinner]|22:31 Roger says, "It's approaching those two weeks a year up here in which people eat watermelon"
[personals]|22:32 BrenBarn says, "this chyk says one of her hobbies is 'foraging'"
[dinner]|22:32 jenrexrode asks, "fourth of july?"
[dinner]|22:32 Roger says, "1st of july, anyway"
[lounge]|22:32 Olly says, "I have to go process the eggs I bought today."
[personals]|22:32 jenrexrode says, "chomp"
[lounge]|22:32 Olly says, "Ciao, MUDsters."
[lounge]|22:32 Roger says, "Ewww"
[lounge]|22:32 Roger says, "Cheers"
[lounge]|22:32 Gerynar likes his scrambled
[lounge]|22:33 Olly says, "I'm pickling them."
[lounge]|22:33 Roger says, "Oh ho"
[lounge]|22:33 jenrexrode likes her laid
[DrawSomething]|22:33 Jota says, "My best attempt is http://www.grunk.org/temp/ds/IMG_0346.PNG "
[lounge]|22:33 Olly says, "They've finished boiling and now I have to shell them and put them in the pickle."
[lounge]|22:33 jenrexrode says, "or layed"
[DrawSomething]|22:33 Jota says, "I do not hold high hopes."
[lounge]|22:33 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[dinner]|22:34 jenrexrode says, "I was so tired last night, I had to cheat and reset the program to get a word i felt like drawing"
[dinner]|22:34 jenrexrode says, "ilac"
[DrawSomething]|22:34 Roger says, "We live in hope"
[DrawSomething]|22:34 jenrexrode says, "it was giving me words like "clay" last night"
[DrawSomething]|22:34 Roger says, "I guess his tunic could be more lionesque"
[DrawSomething]|22:34 Roger says, "Aiken"
[DrawSomething]|22:35 Jota says (to jenrexrode), "That's when I'd want to draw a golem again, only to them remember that no one can identify my golems, either."
[DrawSomething]|22:35 Roger says, "Maybe some complex pottery throwing wheel"
[tangent]|22:36 Bishop says, "Huh. There's such a product as 'macaroni shirataki'? Weird."
[DrawSomething]|22:36 jenrexrode says, "yeah, I was thinking of a pottery wheel, but I was tired and couldn't design it"
[DrawSomething]|22:36 Roger says, "Or hrm I guess there's some Batman villain called Clayface but I don't know what he looks like"
[tangent]|22:36 Roger says, "Maybe they means 'macaroni' in the civil war sense"
[DrawSomething]|22:36 jenrexrode says, "now that I'm more awake, I could have draw it in 4 parts"
[DrawSomething]|22:37 jenrexrode says, "not awake enough for verb agreement , tho"
[tangent]|22:38 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[lounge]|22:38 zaphod emerges.
[lounge]|22:38 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|22:38 zaphod says, "Good evening!"
[DrawSomething]|22:38 jenrexrode says, "I did draw a lion on Hercules' shield, if you can't tell."
[tangent]|22:39 Bishop says, "Nope, apparently they're short, tubular shirataki. They look more like penne lisce, though, and will disappoint anyone wanting macaroni in many ways."
[DrawSomething]|22:39 jenrexrode says, "I think some people are using an iPad to play, but I'm just using a phone, and it's tricky to do small details like that.  Also the published stuff on FB is bigger than my phone"
[lounge]|22:39 Gerynar says, "Howdy"
[lounge]|22:43 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|22:43 Ellison says, "re"
[DrawSomething]|22:44 inky says, "IIRC the problem with trying to draw clayface is his thing is he can morph to look like anybody"
[lounge]|22:44 Gerynar says, "Howdy, Ellison"
[lounge]|22:44 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[DrawSomething]|22:45 Roger says, "He sounds so much like a Dick Tracy villain that maybe I'd just draw him"
[smoochies]|22:46 inky | Andrew and I made a vow to not only be partners for life, but to be on the tightest of teams in every way. In the kitchen, this might mean nothing more than him opening the wine while I bring the water to a boil. In the living room, it can be as simple as instinctively pausing the DVR when the other needs to pee.
[DrawSomething]|22:46 jenrexrode says, "maybe if you drew dick tracy and a guy with an urn face"
[smoochies]|22:46 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[smoochies]|22:46 DavidW says, "How adorable! (where's my insulin?)"
[smoochies]|22:47 BrenBarn says, "it's like being married to counselor troi"
[smoochies]|22:47 BrenBarn says, "'I sense your bladder is full'"
[smoochies]|22:47 inky says, "ha ha"
[smoochies]|22:47 Roger says, "nein ze team must be TOIGHTER"
[TV]|22:47 jenrexrode asks, "does this Zen guy get the bad guy pulling a gun on him in every episode?"
[smoochies]|22:47 Ellison says, "I predict being 'partners in tights' will be the new okcupid stereotype"
[smoochies]|22:48 Roger says, "Also two people in a kitchen is not the recipe for marital bliss, in my experience."
[smoochies]|22:48 inky says, "ha ha more"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:49 Ellison asks (of Gerynar), "hey, why did we disallow picture uploading to HbE. was there a reason?"
[English]|22:49 Gerynar says, "did we? I don't remember doing that"
[English]|22:49 Gerynar says, "ILAC"
[smoochies]|22:49 Ellison says, "er, cliche is what I meant"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:49 Gerynar says, "did we? I don't remember doing that"
[smoochies]|22:50 inky says (to Ellison), "partners in crime -> supervillains -> tights"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:50 Ellison says, "possibly we did it accidentally when we allowed .h, .g, and .zip (and it then disallowed the previously-allowed stuff)"
[smoochies]|22:50 Ellison says, "nice"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:51 Gerynar asks, "ok, editing settings file, adding 'png', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'gif' ... am I missing any?"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:51 Roger says, "tif[f], I guess"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:52 Roger says, "svg maybe in theory"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:52 Gerynar asks, "how many people use tiff anymore, particularly, how many folks interested in IF use TIFF?"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:52 Roger says, "I don't know"
[smoochies]|22:52 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[smoochies]|22:52 BrenBarn says, "partners in supercrime"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:52 Ellison says (to Gerynar), "that sounds like it'd cover everything that's been uploaded so far"
[smoochies]|22:53 Ellison says, "ha"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:53 vimes says, "mostly tiff is used by people doing serious digital photography work"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:54 Gerynar says, "ok, updated config file uploaded"
[DrawSomething]|22:55 jenrexrode says (to Jota), "did you get that game unstuck"
[DrawSomething]|22:55 jenrexrode asks, "?"
[GerynarsAbode]|22:56 Ellison says, "nice"
[lounge]|22:56 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[DrawSomething]|22:57 Jota says, "Yeah. Well, the game randomly still gets stuck for no reason, but it generally seems to unstuck itself sooner or later."
[GerynarsAbode]|22:57 Gerynar says, "picture uploading seems to work fine now"
[lounge]|22:59 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 4374 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Wednesday, 20 Jun 2012, 10:59:04 PM EDT
Rob says, "wazumf"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "hm, apparently there's an update to the app available"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "I kind of like it the way it is"
jenrexrode says, "hi rob"
Rob says, "yo"
[DrawSomething] inky says, "heh"
[DrawSomething] inky says, "why risk a change"
[personals] inky | It's an online-dating mentality.
[personals] inky |
[personals] inky | "OOOH, MINOR FLAW! BEGONE! DEALLLL -- BREAKER!!!!"
[iPhone] jmac says, "Well, this just happened. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-warblers-nest/id536030627 "
[personals] Rob says, "hm yeah"
[personals] Rob says, "although I think it's a general dating mentality"
[personals] Rob says, "half the episodes of seinfeld were based on this premise"
jmac likes "entering the lounge" as much as the next girl, but this isn't really the time.
jmac waves.
Rob says, "it's jmac"
Rob says, "mackin' the j big-time"
[DrawSomething] jenrexrode says, "another masterpiece for Jota sent"
[books] * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Roger has posted message 215, about 'The Pencil', to the bulletin board! I didn't want to post about that, but I was forced to."
jenrexrode says, "hi"
[Camembert] jenrexrode says, "St Andre"
<Lionheart> "You'd rather have a male technician? Do you have a racial or religious preference, so I can tell dispatch who to send?"
Lionheart makes no law abridging the freedom of s***ch, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to ***emble, and to pe***ion the government for a redress of grievances.
[personals] BrenBarn says, "heh"
[personals] BrenBarn says, "D-D-D-DEAL BREAKER!!"
[personals] inky says (to Rob), "hmm yeah"
[books] Rob says, "is it more like a pencil or a book than french toast"
#215 [media/books/books]           From: Roger         Date: 20-Jun-12 23:11
Subject: The Pencil
http://stirgessuck.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/pencil.png
Jota turns into a slimy toad!
</Jota> Thunder rumbles quietly overhead. Jota is gone.
[names] Rob says, "there's an election right now"
[names] Rob says, "George Kreep vs. Garland Peed"
[names] Rob says, "that is all"
[GerynarsAbode] Ellison says, "thanks, I have celebrated by uploading some pictures"
[personals] Lionheart says (to Rob), "I've heard 'How I Met Your Mother' often goes to that well too."
[personals] Ellison says, "well, I deleted my okcupid profile, but I guess I interpret the 'minor flaws' as signs that there are things the person would hate about me, too, so it's kind of a pre-emptive rejection. just the same, I acknowledge that I most likely did not approach okcupid the right way."
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "nice...now, how about doin' a syntax file for Kate in linux :)"
[GerynarsAbode] Ellison says, "we'll see. I should have a Linux box before the summer is over. not sure what my screen manager will be, but if it's KDE, I'll look into it!"
[GerynarsAbode] Ellison asks, "you have moved on from gedit?"
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "I'm not all that good at figuring out XML stuff"
[GerynarsAbode] Ellison says, "that gedit one was tricky. I couldn't have added extra stuff without you breaking the ice, I think. the other XML ones I've worked with also used Scintilla or whatever which is a mess to me"
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "still using gedit because I can't figure out the "contexts" section of the XML file"
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "it's in the <contexts> section is where the color-coding rules/code-folding rules all go"
[GerynarsAbode] Ellison says, "well, I'll try to get a hold of their syntax files and see how it looks to me"
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "here's one of the context definitions: http://pastebin.com/0Wg4tUxy "
Jacqueline est arrivée.  Cool, les geekettes en puissance!
[GerynarsAbode] Rob says, "who's kate"
Rob says, "bienvenue"
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "kate is the "KDE Advanced Text Editor""
Gerynar says, "Wilkomen"
[GerynarsAbode] Rob says, "oh that's a lot less sexy"
Rob says, "c'maan in"
Rob says, "--blazing saddles"
Gerynar says, "Been too long since I've seen that movie"
Rob asks, "are there two m's in Wilkommen?"
Rob says, "well get on it, man"
Gerynar says, "probably, it's been a couple of decades since I failed high school German"
Rob says, "I went to the game developer's conference back in aught oh nine and was hanging out late one night with some game writers"
Rob says, "this guy who has written a lot of tom clancy games and bob bates, erstwhile of infocom"
Rob says, "and we were kind of staring at each other not knowing how to break the ice"
Rob says, "and then suddenly someone started quoting lines from blazing saddles"
Rob says, "and then we basically quoted every line in the movie between the three of us over a half hour"
Rob says, "and it was good bonding"
Rob says, "also impressed me that nearly every single line of dialogue in Blazing Saddles is quotable and memorable"
Gerynar says, "'scuse me while I whip this out"
Rob says, "there y'go"
Jacqueline says, "Hello, everyone."
Gerynar says, "cze??"
Rob says, "how ya doin jacq"
Rob asks, "cze?"
Jacqueline says, "I just had a lovely solstice hike in a forest."
Rob says, "excellent"
DavidW says, "cool"
Jacqueline says, "Like, a real, big forest, not a Seattle city park (which are nice, but not the same)."
Rob says, "so today is the solstice? or tomorrow"
Jacqueline says, "It's today, I believe."
Rob says, "nice"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "harq! a jacq!"
Rob says, "I sat outside during the twilight sunset hours remotely playing videogames with my brother who lives thousands of miles away"
Jacqueline asks, "And how are you, Rob?"
Ellison asks (of Rob), "which game?"
Gerynar says, "cze?? (czesc with ' above the s and c) is Polish for hello (pronounced roughly Chyeshch)"
Rob says, "not so bad, after a lot of ups and downs"
Jacqueline says, "Timing - that sounds lovely."
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "maga mentioned that i'm going to be in seattle, i presume"
Rob says (to Ellison), "lately we're playing this ipad game called MC3 (modern combat?)"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Hark! A person who is going to be --yeah, that."
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "He said he would set something up, but then he got the plague, so I'm not sure he's followed up on that."
Rob says, "it has various capture-the-flag type two-player games and about 8 different playfields and somehow the one-on-one competitive aspect of it amuses us"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "ick.  no, we haven't made any specific plans yet."
Rob says, "it's like just playing a good game of laser tag with your brother"
Rob says, "the interesting thing about this game is that it gives you an unprecedented level of control over your own UI"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "cultural outing followed by dinner get-together or a game night both sound good to me, though"
[dinner] DavidW says, "Nutella, straight from the jar with a spoon."
Rob says, "the widget icons for precision-targeting, shooting, moving, radar map, throwing grenades, can all not only be re-sized but placed anywhere on the screen you want"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Mmkay, well as it so happens I'm taking a long weekend that weekend.  So I am about and have, thus far, no plans aside from ClubFloyd."
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Which is, um, sorta negotiable sometimes if there is something special like you being here."
Rob says, "which has enabled us both to sort of tailor our own UIs to what we're fastest at hitting when suddenly confronting the other guy"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "how delightful!"
Ellison says (to Rob), "that sounds crazy"
Ellison says, "crazy!"
Rob says, "there's also a story campaign but neither of us has played it much"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "my plane doesn't arrive until 1:30 or something, so it /probably/ won't overlap too much with CF."
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline asks, "So, anything you want to see?  The King Tut exhibit, or the Klondike Gold Rush National Historical Park (which I hear is nice) or the aquarium or poking about in the market, or... ?"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline asks, "And you have a place to stay?"
Rob says, "at a more abstract level it basically just reminds me of 1982 and my brother and I playing Combat on the Atari, which had all these random variations on you-shoot-the-other-guy 2-player games"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "yeah, Valve is getting me a hotel."
K-Y asks, "were you talking about playing Magic on the iPad?"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Nice."
Ellison says, "Combat is great"
Rob says, "so it's like Atari Combat (the game that came free with the VCS/2600) tarted up in 3d"
K-Y says, "you actually can now"
[jacq-chat] Gerynar says, "Space-Needle ... take him to the Space Needle (just don't push him off the observation deck)"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline asks, "Why are you visiting, precisely?"
Rob asks (of K-Y), "real MtG?"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "(and transporting me from the airport to the hotel, and from the hotel to the office, and from the office back to the hotel, and from the hotel back to the airport)"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline asks, "Which hotel?"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "in-person interview with Valve."
K-Y says, "yes"
Rob says, "we got into playing a game called Kard Combat, which apparently was created by the guy who designed MtG"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Excellent."
Rob says, "so it was actually pretty good in game terms"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "I was hoping that was it."
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "i have no idea which hotel yet - i only have the plane reservations, not my full itinerary in hand"
K-Y says, "'Magic 2013'"
[DrawSomething] jenrexrode says, "another masterpiece"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline asks, "Well, where is their office?"
Ellison says, "my brother and his best friend have fond memories of playing one of the Combat minigames and using their turrets to make it look like they were talking to eachother"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Vaguely."
Rob says, "I kind of screwed things up by one night buying an upgrade to my deck that my brother didn't, which disrupted the equilibrium because I had more cards than he did, and it made the sense of equal fun drain out of it"
Rob says, "well, I will look into that, thanks"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "west side of bellevue, middle-ish north/south"
Rob says, "I had periodically looked for an ipad MtG but hadn't seen one, though I'd enjoyed playing it on my xbox"
K-Y says, "just came out yesterday"
Rob says, "there was some variation of the tank game in Combat where you could corner an opponent at the edge of the screen and shoot him so that he spun out and wrapped around and came out in some crazy other random place"
Rob says, "and my brother used to delight in humiliating me with this treatment"
Ellison says, "heh, yeah"
Rob says, "which somehow now that I look back I enjoyed too"
Rob says, "so this MC3 game has a variant called Manhunt"
Rob says, "where there's one flag to capture between the two of you"
Gerynar says, "You didn't need to get shot to be "transported", if you just went to a corner and turned towards it, you'd move to the other side"
Rob says, "so in addition to the points and XP you get from shooting the other guy, the official tally of who is winning is a score marker that ratchets up every five seconds when you're holding the flag"
StephenW enters the lounge. How unseemly!
K-Y says, "huh, you get to play a whole chunk of the game for free"
Rob says, "so the longer you evade your opponent, the higher your score towards officially winning"
StephenW asks, "Emily, are you here?"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Mmkay - we've been kinda meaning to go check that part of town out, I think."
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Is it the funky oh you must visit place?  I think perhaps it is."
K-Y says, "but, uh-oh, 1GB"
Emily goes home.
Emily has disconnected.
Rob says, "when your opponent has the flag, you can see where they are on a radar blip, but they can't see you (unless, through some means not worth describing, they can activate their own radar and see you coming)"
Rob says, "wow, I guess she isn't"
StephenW says, "yeah, guess not"
Rob says, "let's hope that was a random disconnect and not a total 'talk to the hand' logout"
Gerynar wanders off in search of bed
Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
Gerynar has disconnected.
Rob says, "gn'erynar"
Ellison says (to StephenW), "she is here but has been idle for most of the time she's been here"
DavidW says, "It was likely a random disconnect."
Ellison says, "oops"
Rob says, "are you sure only Emily can help you and not the total rest of the mud"
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[robmumble]/001 Rob says, "back from long intense cover art making session"
[robmumble]/002 Rob says, "I started when colbert started, then just finished as the repeat of the same broadcast is about to start"
[robmumble]/003 Rob says, "I would hear the start of tosh.0, then suddenly I'd hear the end of tosh.0, and I'd think, 'what? that was fast'"
[robmumble]/004 olethros says, "that's intense"
[robmumble]/005 Rob says, "yeah that's me when I'm in a groove"
[robmumble]/006 Rob says, "feels good to work that hard"
[robmumble]/007 Ellison says, "unfortunately, your cover turned oddly racist while Tosh.0 was on"
[robmumble]/008 olethros says, "(never watched tosh.0 - it seems to be just a dick jokes show ?)"
[robmumble]/009 Rob says, "I've had a few lazy days recently and was mumphing around that I needed to get more in gear"
[robmumble]/010 Rob says (to Ellison), "there were some messed-up jokes I heard go by"
[robmumble]/011 Rob says (to olethros), "he shows viral video clips, he makes jokes about them, they do cheap sketches and a stunt segment where they bring someone in from viral video fame and have them do it over again"
[robmumble]/012 Rob says, "the structure of it makes it more watchable, if you're in that kind of stupid mood (it's really popular with college kids), and probably has given it legs"
[robmumble]/013 Ellison says, "I stopped watching the show when I saw a clip where the unfortunate person in a clip died of their injuries. it was like, ok, this show really *does* have no class."
[robmumble]/014 Rob says, "yeah that's no good"
Recapped 14 of 14 lines from misc/personal/robmumble.
StephenW asks, "Is anyone else working on Little Text People?"
Recapping 7 of 7 lines from media/comics/qman:
[qman]/001 olethros asks (of rob), "was that an artistic mashup?"
[qman]/002 Rob says, "yeah it was"
[qman]/003 olethros says, "still, I was shocked by how much I regressed after 12 days off"
[qman]/004 olethros says, "errr ILAC"
[qman]/005 olethros says, "12 days off ilac, you enter regressogenesis"
[qman]/006 inky says, "hee hee"
[qman]/007 Rob says, "heh"
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Recapped 0 of 0 lines from arts/art.
Recapping 98 of 168 lines from media/movies/movie:
[movie]/001 Matthew says, "I'm watching Thor."
[movie]/002 Matthew says, "Chris Hemsworth looks astonishingly wimpy."
[movie]/003 inky says, "better not let him hear you say that"
[movie]/004 maga says (to Matthew), "'sort of wimpy' is about right for Marvel's Thor, though"
[movie]/005 Matthew says (to maga), "Oh?  Huh."
[movie]/006 maga says, "seriously, you cannot make Thor a clean-shaven blond with well-groomed hair"
[movie]/007 K-Y says, "also, http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1318095677l/9370559.jpg "
[movie]/008 inky says, "ha ha"
[movie]/009 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[movie]/010 Matthew asks, "Also, how did they get Anthony Hopkins in this thing?"
[movie]/011 Matthew says, "Oh, come on.  These ER doctors are bigger than he is."
[movie]/012 jenrexrode says, "i might go see moonrise kingdom"
[movie]/013 borowski says (to jenrexrode), "looks interesting"
[movie]/014 borowski asks, "Did we try experimenting with the blue liquid?"
[movie]/015 borowski says, "ILAC"
[movie]/016 ctate says, "... Avatar microreview."
[movie]/017 Rob says, "I watched this messed-up movie last night"
[movie]/018 Rob says, "that now I wish I could un-watch, but it's my fault for watching it instead of turning it off"
[movie]/019 Rob says, "I kind of mistook what genre it was going to be"
[movie]/020 olethros says, "Genre: fucked u"
[movie]/021 Rob says, "I thought a young couple would be imperiled and then get out of it and something like justice would happen"
[movie]/022 Rob says, "but instead it turned out to be sort of immoral and godless and hopeless and bleak, and, worst of all, kind of a variant of torture porn"
[movie]/023 Rob says, "which is not something I watch"
[movie]/024 Ellison says, "Hostel 5: the Honeymoon"
[movie]/025 Rob says, "I started watching it because it had michael fassbender in it, who is a guy I'm starting to notice in things"
[movie]/026 Rob says, "it's called Eden Lake"
[movie]/027 Rob says, "nice young couple go for a camping trip at a pretty spot somewhere in britain, and a gang of hooligan teenagers start messing with them"
[movie]/028 Rob says, "then they steal the couple's car"
[movie]/029 olethros says, "gosh, fucking got 83% on RT"
[movie]/030 Rob says, "then all of a sudden they're torturing people and tying them down with barbed wire and slashing them with knives and xacto blades"
[movie]/031 Rob says, "lots of closeups of anatomically horrifying wounds"
[movie]/032 Rob says, "then later people are set on fire"
[movie]/033 Ellison says, "that is the kind of movie where I watch 5 minutes and then read the plot synopsis on wikipedia and then turn it off"
[movie]/034 Rob says, "and the woman climbs into a pile of shit to hide, and then she starts to kill people, too"
[movie]/035 Rob says, "she finally makes it back to town, but she ends up knocking on the door of the parents of all these kids"
[movie]/036 Rob says, "and then basically the movie ends with the guy dead and an implication that these adults are going to rape or kill her for murdering their kids"
[movie]/037 Rob asks, "and I was like what the fuck is this movie and why would anyone make it?"
[movie]/038 Rob says, "and I wanted to ask why would anyone watch it, but I watched it, argh"
[movie]/039 olethros says, "a typical night out in the UK"
[movie]/040 Rob says, "I can imagine an americanized remake with a different ending"
[movie]/041 Rob says, "kind of like when they remade The Vanishing"
[movie]/042 olethros says, "it's similar to that dustin hoffman movie I guess"
[movie]/043 Rob asks, "which one? with the dentist?"
[movie]/044 olethros says, "the one where he to a new house with his young wife and all the locals attack the house to kill him and rape his wife"
[movie]/045 Ellison says, "Straw Dogs"
[movie]/046 Ellison says, "I know that because of the song called 'straw dogs'"
[movie]/047 Rob says, "yikes"
[movie]/048 olethros says, "yes, it is quite disturbing without being tortureporny"
[movie]/049 Ellison says, "the original Dustin Hoffman movie is supposed to be especially disturbing because there's a part where it is implied that his wife is enjoying being raped"
[movie]/050 Rob says, "yikes"
[movie]/051 olethros says, "but there was a kind of reason behind all the hate, there."
[movie]/052 olethros says, "and the locals' leader was his wife's ex bf"
[movie]/053 Rob says, "ex bf wtf"
[movie]/054 Ellison says, "they added the ex bf thing just for the remake, I believe"
[movie]/055 olethros says, "he is resenting his ex's new husband being a rich intellectual while he has to  basically be a serf that fixes their new house"
[movie]/056 olethros says, "ah, ok, I thought that was the original story"
[movie]/057 Matthew says, "Brace yourselves.  I'm putting in the movie version of..."
[movie]/058 Matthew says, "...THE FOUNTAINHEAD."
[movie]/059 Gunther says (to Matthew), "it's... shorter."
[movie]/060 Matthew says (to Gunther), "The Hundred Years' WAR was shorter."
[movie]/061 Matthew exclaims, "I'm 90 seconds in, and the movie has already skipped like 40 pages of the book.  So far, I like it!"
[movie]/062 Gunther asks, "have you finished the book?"
[movie]/063 Matthew says, "No."
[movie]/064 Matthew says, "But I know how it ends."
[movie]/065 Gunther says, "but but spoilers"
[movie]/066 Gunther says, "also you have to read the speech"
[movie]/067 Gunther says, "it's obligatory"
[movie]/068 Matthew says (to Gunther), "I'm not going to stop reading the book."
[movie]/069 Matthew says, "Gary Cooper's first line has me very, very worried."
[movie]/070 marc | "This is the shit, yo"
[movie]/071 Gunther asks, ""The burning flesh I smell is not my own"?"
[movie]/072 Roger says, "No John it is you who are the communistic parasites"
[movie]/073 Matthew exclaims, "There's no John in The Fountainhead!"
[movie]/074 Gunther says, "everyone just shits on the main character instead"
[movie]/075 Roger says, "That sounds disturbingly accurate"
[movie]/076 Gunther says, "I've read it"
[movie]/077 Matthew says, "Wait, it's like we're already 15r0 pages into the story."
[movie]/078 Hjalfi says (to Matthew), "That explains the constipated expressions. </cheap>"
[movie]/079 Matthew says, "Er, 150."
[movie]/080 Gunther says (to Matthew), "it only does the wash and rinse, not the repeat"
[movie]/081 Matthew says, "Well, completely neutering the relationship between Roark and Cameron is not the choice I would have made, but..."
[movie]/082 Matthew says, "That said, Patricia Neal certainly seems right for Dominique."
[movie]/083 Hugo says, "The Fountainhead isn't a particularly good movie."
[movie]/084 Gunther says, "it is better then the book"
[movie]/085 Fang says, "that doesn't say much"
[movie]/086 Gunther says, "it's *shorter* would be enough to make it better"
[movie]/087 Hugo says, "Well yeah."
[movie]/088 Hugo says, "Famously, I think, Gary Cooper didn't know what it was about."
[movie]/089 Matthew says, "I'll defend Atlas Shrugged, but yeah, The Fountainhead is pretty weighed down."
[movie]/090 Matthew says, "Okay, wow, so the movie accomplishes in 25 minutes what took the book almost 200 pages.  Insanity."
[movie]/091 Hugo says (to Matthew), "You'll def -- okay, well, that's very brave to admit, and just remember we're here for you."
[movie]/092 marc asks (of matthew), "defend in what sense?"
[movie]/093 Roger says, "Commercially"
[movie]/094 marc says, "phenomenologically"
[movie]/095 Matthew says, "Man, Keating is like barely even a supporting character in this movie."
[movie]/096 Matthew exclaims, "The guy from Bewitched is in this!"
[movie]/097 Matthew says, "Yeah, well, okay."
[movie]/098 Roger says (to Tale), "Very belatedly, there's a good piece of "compassion sucks" near the beginning of Alien."
Recapped 98 of 168 lines from media/movies/movie.
Recapping 85 of 85 lines from media/tv/TV:
[TV]/001 DorianX says, "Watching nostalgia chick review Fresh Prince of Bel Air"
[TV]/002 DorianX says, "You know, I think early 90s sitcoms are the reason I can watch The Disney Channel now."
[TV]/003 boucher asks, "I'm sure by now you've seen Will Smith's appearance on the Graham Norton Show?"
[TV]/004 Grocible says, "no"
[TV]/005 Grocible asks, "does he tear of his clothes and eat Norton's face fof?"
[TV]/006 Grocible says, "sigh"
[TV]/007 DorianX says, "SHe shows a clip"
[TV]/008 Grocible asks, "does he tear off his clothes and eat Norton's face off?"
[TV]/009 Grocible says, "or does he look at Norton and say, "Whoa. Are you some sorta faggot?!""
[TV]/010 boucher says, "Nothing you're expecting, I'm sorry."
[TV]/011 boucher says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFjwbKMlmF4 "
[TV]/012 DorianX says, "He gets the auidence of a british show in2012 to sing the theme to an american show of 1990"
[TV]/013 boucher says, "I want to believe it was totally spontaneous, that there was no hand-picking of the audience, or priming of anyone perhaps aside from Barlow, who was let in on it early, as he indicates."
[TV]/014 boucher says, "I totally believe Will Smith remembers the lyrics"
[TV]/015 boucher says, "But I never had any idea it was that much of a hit in Britain"
[TV]/016 maga says, "it was pretty popular, yes"
[TV]/017 maga says, "if you made sure that the audience was stocked with people of the right age, it'd be credible"
[TV]/018 boucher says, "Yeah, I think the show itself pretty well ensures that"
[TV]/019 Grocible says, "some of hte audience are looking at hte screens"
[TV]/020 Grocible says, "so they probably had the lyrics up there"
[TV]/021 boucher says, "Graham Norton attracts bored sarcastic 30-somethings in search of something with a bit of edge and camp like flies."
[TV]/022 boucher says, "Not a lot, mind you, just a bit."
[TV]/023 Grocible says, "anyway I've never seen the show"
[TV]/024 Grocible says, "or heard that song before"
[TV]/025 boucher says, "If you want to see someone self-destruct while strippers dance and they prank-call the pope, there are other, more Russell Brandy outlets for that."
[TV]/026 K-Y says, "ours is a generation that not only learned the song but looked forward to those few episodes where they play the full unedited version"
[TV]/027 baf says, "I only became aware of the song as a result of Anonymous singing it during the Scientology protests."
[TV]/028 Ellison says, "huh, Jeffrey Dean Morgan in a new noir show on Starz called 'Magic City'. looks interesting."
[TV]/029 Rob says, "which guy is that"
[TV]/030 Rob says, "I've seen lots of previews for that show but I haven't watched any of it"
[TV]/031 Ellison says, "he was the Comedian in Watchmen (although I haven't seen it). mainly, I know him from Supernatural (where he kind of had a dumb role) and the star of the movie The Losers (which did really poorly but I still think is a fun movie)"
[TV]/032 Rob says, "oh, the comedian in watchmen. I always wondered who he was when I saw that movie because he was pretty good in it"
[TV]/033 Rob says, "and he looked half familiar and half not, like he looked like a type of guy looks more than like a specific guy"
[TV]/034 Tale says, "Oh, about Cracker : | There was a U.S. remake in which the main character was fairly slender, drank moderate amounts of wine and lived in a spacious, airy apartment. Watch the British original."
[TV]/035 ghira says, "that sounds like me"
[TV]/036 ghira asks, "is this tvtropes?"
[TV]/037 ghira says, "I think I wrote that"
[TV]/038 ghira asks (of tale), "not that you've had time but have you seen any more cracker?"
[TV]/039 Tale says, "Nope, but planning to#"
[TV]/040 Tale says, "it is tvtropes. You write for them? Heh, great"
[TV]/041 Gunther says, "anyone can (and it shows)"
[TV]/042 ghira says, "I don't really write for them, no. I've written about 2 things ever and that was one of them"
[TV]/043 ghira says, "I think the other was creating the ultraviolet entry and saying not much abou tit"
[TV]/044 Tale says, "The main protagonists wasn't that much of a tit"
[TV]/045 ghira says (to tale), "you've seen a few minutes of it. I promise you he demonstrates way way more tittishness later"
[TV]/046 ghira says, "and even in the first few minutes... on the phone to a horseracing line when he's supposed to be giving a lecture, throwing books at students, smoking in cab and being arsey to taxi driver, trying to borrow money from his daughter who is about 8 or so"
[TV]/047 Gunther says, "Fitz is the biggest dick in private dick history"
[TV]/048 Tale asks, "Worse then Mike Hammer?"
[TV]/049 Gunther says, "hmm"
[TV]/050 Gunther says, "he's more psychologically cruel than physically"
[TV]/051 Tale says, "From the first few minutes, it looked like my kind of show."
[TV]/052 ghira says, "Oh, he's a watchable and entertaining dick."
[TV]/053 marc asks, "cracker?"
[TV]/054 Alex says (to marc), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that cracker is what Polly want. Alex want cork nut."
[TV]/055 ghira says, "yers"
[TV]/056 marc says, "excellent until the last episode"
[TV]/057 marc says, "i just don't recommend watching them in quick succession, it's a bit much"
[TV]/058 ghira says, "I'd be inclined to say avoid the last two episodes"
[TV]/059 marc says, "yeah, maybe"
[TV]/060 ghira says, "(white ghost and the way way later one)"
[TV]/061 marc says, "thing is, most of the characters are just horrible [including cracker]"
[TV]/062 marc says, "very few redeeming qualities, which is pretty rare"
[TV]/063 ghira asks, "Bilborough and Penhaligon are ok, surely?"
[TV]/064 marc says, "yeah, i guess"
[TV]/065 marc says, "(hence 'most'.) but the suspects/criminals are usually protrayed in a much rawer way than in other thrillers/crime shows"
[TV]/066 marc says, "as is cracker"
[TV]/067 marc says, "quite a few episodes make the skin crawl"
[TV]/068 Gunther says, "yes, especially the one with Robert Carlyle"
[TV]/069 Gunther says, "which *surely* wasn't deliberate casting"
[TV]/070 Tale says, "Eh, things like avoid last episodes is wasted on me."
[TV]/071 Tale says, "If I watch something, I watch it all."
[TV]/072 ghira says, "well the last episode was made about 10 years after all the others"
[TV]/073 ghira says, "not that this is necessarily a bad thing"
[TV]/074 olethros says, "a mature product"
[TV]/075 ghira says, "but of course watch whatever you like"
[TV]/076 Gunther says, "and is called '9/11', which is"
[TV]/077 marc says, "hunh"
[TV]/078 marc says, "no 'have i got news for you' available on iplayer"
[TV]/079 (from ghira) marc says, "allegedly"
[TV]/080 marc says, "hee hee"
[TV]/081 marc says, "ah, but a new qi"
[TV]/082 marc says, "problem solved"
[TV]/083 DorianX says, "Jon Stewart doing a Columbo bit on the last Daily Show was great"
[TV]/084 Roger says, "Yeah he does do that well"
[TV]/085 jenrexrode asks, "does this Zen guy get the bad guy pulling a gun on him in every episode?"
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Recapping 205 of 782 lines from rooms/lounge:
[lounge]/001 Rob comes right on in.
[lounge]/002 Rob says, "zrmblf"
[lounge]/003 McMartin says, "The Onion Author"
[lounge]/004 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[lounge]/005 Rob says, "Gy"
[lounge]/006 Gerynar says, "Howdy howdy"
[lounge]/007 Gerynar asks, "How is everyone this fine eve?"
[lounge]/008 Jota says, "Warm."
[lounge]/009 Jota asks, "Et tu?"
[lounge]/010 Gerynar says, "AC's working fine, so I'm comfortable"
[lounge]/011 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]/012 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]/013 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[lounge]/014 Rob says, "oops, game night"
[lounge]/015 Rob moseys right on out.
[lounge]/016 Emily goes home.
[lounge]/017 * Emily has disconnected.
[lounge]/018 boucher goes home.
[lounge]/019 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]/020 DorianX says, "It must be fun to be a jewish grandmother"
[lounge]/021 DorianX says, "Yiddish is full of fun words to say to a baby. Like Meschuggana and Schmutz and Schmekle"
[lounge]/022 McMartin says, "I have it on good authority that if you're a Jewish Grandmother everyone just leaves you all alone in the dark to starve to death all the time."
[lounge]/023 McMartin says, "Even YOUR OWN FAMILY"
[lounge]/024 McMartin says, "But don't mind them, they'll just be over there, all alone"
[lounge]/025 inky says, "ok zip"
[lounge]/026 inky got credit for creating Common and the concept of money, for generating lots of art and literature, and for being the very best at killing his enemies.
[lounge]/027 McMartin says, "(Something of a side note - given that there is an *additional* adage to the effect of 'all grandmothers are Jewish', how did this start out as a Jewish (or presumably Jewish-American) stereotype anyway?)"
[lounge]/028 maga asks, "there's a similar stereotype about a lot of immigrant grandparents, no?"
[lounge]/029 McMartin says, "It seems pretty recognizable even after six or seven generations"
[lounge]/030 Emily arrives.
[lounge]/031 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]/032 * Gerynar has connected.
[lounge]/033 Gerynar says, "Someday, they'll invent an inexspensive internet that doesn't have problems"
[lounge]/034 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]/035 * Gerynar has connected.
[lounge]/036 boucher eat beans. Beans taste good. Num num num. Why violence in streets?
[lounge]/037 DorianX says, "Heh. Leah just showed me a cartoon of a wolf standing outside the third little pig's house, giving money to the Kool-Aid man"
[lounge]/038 Gerynar says, "heh...smart wolf"
[lounge]/039 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[lounge]/040 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[lounge]/041 inky is pretty sleuthy for a music teacher.
[lounge]/042 maga says, "hey inky"
[lounge]/043 inky says, "bloot"
[lounge]/044 Angelina arrives from the east.
[lounge]/045 Gerynar says, "Howdy"
[lounge]/046 Angelina asks, "Hello?"
[lounge]/047 Gerynar waves to Angelina
[lounge]/048 Angelina says, "How did you do that? This is my first time using any kind of MUD, and I'm a little confused. Actually, a lot confused. I have the beginners guide up in another window but it's slightly confusing..."
[lounge]/049 Angelina says, "Never mind, just read the emote section."
[lounge]/050 Gerynar says, "Instead of starting your text with say or a double quote, start it with a colon (e.g. : runs in circles would show up as "Gerynar ) ok fine then, don't give me time to answer :) :)"
[lounge]/051 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]/052 Olly says, "Hello, MUDsters."
[lounge]/053 Olly says (to Angelina), "Welcome, newcomer."
[lounge]/054 Gerynar says (to Angelina), "might want to join the channel #newbie (type @joinch #newbie)"
[lounge]/055 Gerynar waves to Olly
[lounge]/056 Angelina exclaims, "Thank you!"
[lounge]/057 Gerynar says, "To talk on a channel, type #channel-name stuff you want to say. Once you start talking on a channel, you can use a semi colon as a shortcut for the last #channel you talked on"
[lounge]/058 Olly says, "Example: #newbie Hello, world."
[lounge]/059 Gerynar says, "So, what brings you to the wonderful ifMUD, Angelina"
[lounge]/060 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]/061 Jota greets.
[lounge]/062 Olly says, "Hello, Jota."
[lounge]/063 vimes says, "greeting protocol 3.5 engaged: hi folks"
[lounge]/064 maga says, "jotito"
[lounge]/065 BrenBarn busta.
[lounge]/066 Olly exclaims, "Busta busta busta!"
[lounge]/067 inky says, "so much busta-ing, so little parsing"
[lounge]/068 Emily goes home.
[lounge]/069 * Emily has disconnected.
[lounge]/070 Olly balances their toad on their nose.
[lounge]/071 Olly says, "Fun stuff."
[lounge]/072 Emily arrives.
[lounge]/073 Olly says, "Hello, Emily."
[lounge]/074 Olly gives an imaginary flower to Angelina.
[lounge]/075 Angelina accept gracefully.
[lounge]/076 Angelina goes home.
[lounge]/077 Emily says, "belated hey"
[lounge]/078 Gerynar says, "How about Crows? (licorice Dots)"
[lounge]/079 maga says, "okay, off"
[lounge]/080 maga's studied dalliance with his venal muses is little to our taste.
[lounge]/081 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]/082 Olly says, "Hello, jenrexrode."
[lounge]/083 jenrexrode says, "hiya"
[lounge]/084 Roger can destroy an entire night of adventuring just by haggling over a studded leather jerkin or a basket-hilted rapier.
[lounge]/085 Olly says, "Hello, Roger."
[lounge]/086 Roger says, "Hello, Oily."
[lounge]/087 Olly says, "Heh."
[lounge]/088 Olly says, "I have to go process the eggs I bought today."
[lounge]/089 Olly says, "Ciao, MUDsters."
[lounge]/090 Roger says, "Ewww"
[lounge]/091 Roger says, "Cheers"
[lounge]/092 Gerynar likes his scrambled
[lounge]/093 Olly says, "I'm pickling them."
[lounge]/094 Roger says, "Oh ho"
[lounge]/095 jenrexrode likes her laid
[lounge]/096 Olly says, "They've finished boiling and now I have to shell them and put them in the pickle."
[lounge]/097 jenrexrode says, "or layed"
[lounge]/098 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[lounge]/099 zaphod emerges.
[lounge]/100 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]/101 zaphod says, "Good evening!"
[lounge]/102 Gerynar says, "Howdy"
[lounge]/103 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]/104 Ellison says, "re"
[lounge]/105 Gerynar says, "Howdy, Ellison"
[lounge]/106 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]/107 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[lounge]/108 Rob comes right on in.
[lounge]/109 Rob says, "wazumf"
[lounge]/110 jenrexrode says, "hi rob"
[lounge]/111 Rob says, "yo"
[lounge]/112 jmac likes "entering the lounge" as much as the next girl, but this isn't really the time.
[lounge]/113 jmac waves.
[lounge]/114 Rob says, "it's jmac"
[lounge]/115 Rob says, "mackin' the j big-time"
[lounge]/116 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]/117 Lionheart makes no law abridging the freedom of s***ch, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to ***emble, and to pe***ion the government for a redress of grievances.
[lounge]/118 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[lounge]/119 Jacqueline est arrivée.  Cool, les geekettes en puissance!
[lounge]/120 Rob says, "bienvenue"
[lounge]/121 Gerynar says, "Wilkomen"
[lounge]/122 Rob says, "c'maan in"
[lounge]/123 Rob says, "--blazing saddles"
[lounge]/124 Gerynar says, "Been too long since I've seen that movie"
[lounge]/125 Rob asks, "are there two m's in Wilkommen?"
[lounge]/126 Rob says, "well get on it, man"
[lounge]/127 Gerynar says, "probably, it's been a couple of decades since I failed high school German"
[lounge]/128 Rob says, "I went to the game developer's conference back in aught oh nine and was hanging out late one night with some game writers"
[lounge]/129 Rob says, "this guy who has written a lot of tom clancy games and bob bates, erstwhile of infocom"
[lounge]/130 Rob says, "and we were kind of staring at each other not knowing how to break the ice"
[lounge]/131 Rob says, "and then suddenly someone started quoting lines from blazing saddles"
[lounge]/132 Rob says, "and then we basically quoted every line in the movie between the three of us over a half hour"
[lounge]/133 Rob says, "and it was good bonding"
[lounge]/134 Rob says, "also impressed me that nearly every single line of dialogue in Blazing Saddles is quotable and memorable"
[lounge]/135 Gerynar says, "'scuse me while I whip this out"
[lounge]/136 Rob says, "there y'go"
[lounge]/137 Jacqueline says, "Hello, everyone."
[lounge]/138 Gerynar says, "cze??"
[lounge]/139 Rob says, "how ya doin jacq"
[lounge]/140 Rob asks, "cze?"
[lounge]/141 Jacqueline says, "I just had a lovely solstice hike in a forest."
[lounge]/142 Rob says, "excellent"
[lounge]/143 DavidW says, "cool"
[lounge]/144 Jacqueline says, "Like, a real, big forest, not a Seattle city park (which are nice, but not the same)."
[lounge]/145 Rob says, "so today is the solstice? or tomorrow"
[lounge]/146 Jacqueline says, "It's today, I believe."
[lounge]/147 Rob says, "nice"
[lounge]/148 Rob says, "I sat outside during the twilight sunset hours remotely playing videogames with my brother who lives thousands of miles away"
[lounge]/149 Jacqueline asks, "And how are you, Rob?"
[lounge]/150 Ellison asks (of Rob), "which game?"
[lounge]/151 Gerynar says, "cze?? (czesc with ' above the s and c) is Polish for hello (pronounced roughly Chyeshch)"
[lounge]/152 Rob says, "not so bad, after a lot of ups and downs"
[lounge]/153 Jacqueline says, "Timing - that sounds lovely."
[lounge]/154 Rob says (to Ellison), "lately we're playing this ipad game called MC3 (modern combat?)"
[lounge]/155 Rob says, "it has various capture-the-flag type two-player games and about 8 different playfields and somehow the one-on-one competitive aspect of it amuses us"
[lounge]/156 Rob says, "it's like just playing a good game of laser tag with your brother"
[lounge]/157 Rob says, "the interesting thing about this game is that it gives you an unprecedented level of control over your own UI"
[lounge]/158 Rob says, "the widget icons for precision-targeting, shooting, moving, radar map, throwing grenades, can all not only be re-sized but placed anywhere on the screen you want"
[lounge]/159 Rob says, "which has enabled us both to sort of tailor our own UIs to what we're fastest at hitting when suddenly confronting the other guy"
[lounge]/160 Ellison says (to Rob), "that sounds crazy"
[lounge]/161 Ellison says, "crazy!"
[lounge]/162 Rob says, "there's also a story campaign but neither of us has played it much"
[lounge]/163 Rob says, "at a more abstract level it basically just reminds me of 1982 and my brother and I playing Combat on the Atari, which had all these random variations on you-shoot-the-other-guy 2-player games"
[lounge]/164 K-Y asks, "were you talking about playing Magic on the iPad?"
[lounge]/165 Ellison says, "Combat is great"
[lounge]/166 Rob says, "so it's like Atari Combat (the game that came free with the VCS/2600) tarted up in 3d"
[lounge]/167 K-Y says, "you actually can now"
[lounge]/168 Rob asks (of K-Y), "real MtG?"
[lounge]/169 K-Y says, "yes"
[lounge]/170 Rob says, "we got into playing a game called Kard Combat, which apparently was created by the guy who designed MtG"
[lounge]/171 Rob says, "so it was actually pretty good in game terms"
[lounge]/172 K-Y says, "'Magic 2013'"
[lounge]/173 Ellison says, "my brother and his best friend have fond memories of playing one of the Combat minigames and using their turrets to make it look like they were talking to eachother"
[lounge]/174 Rob says, "I kind of screwed things up by one night buying an upgrade to my deck that my brother didn't, which disrupted the equilibrium because I had more cards than he did, and it made the sense of equal fun drain out of it"
[lounge]/175 Rob says, "well, I will look into that, thanks"
[lounge]/176 Rob says, "I had periodically looked for an ipad MtG but hadn't seen one, though I'd enjoyed playing it on my xbox"
[lounge]/177 K-Y says, "just came out yesterday"
[lounge]/178 Rob says, "there was some variation of the tank game in Combat where you could corner an opponent at the edge of the screen and shoot him so that he spun out and wrapped around and came out in some crazy other random place"
[lounge]/179 Rob says, "and my brother used to delight in humiliating me with this treatment"
[lounge]/180 Ellison says, "heh, yeah"
[lounge]/181 Rob says, "which somehow now that I look back I enjoyed too"
[lounge]/182 Rob says, "so this MC3 game has a variant called Manhunt"
[lounge]/183 Rob says, "where there's one flag to capture between the two of you"
[lounge]/184 Gerynar says, "You didn't need to get shot to be "transported", if you just went to a corner and turned towards it, you'd move to the other side"
[lounge]/185 Rob says, "so in addition to the points and XP you get from shooting the other guy, the official tally of who is winning is a score marker that ratchets up every five seconds when you're holding the flag"
[lounge]/186 StephenW enters the lounge. How unseemly!
[lounge]/187 K-Y says, "huh, you get to play a whole chunk of the game for free"
[lounge]/188 Rob says, "so the longer you evade your opponent, the higher your score towards officially winning"
[lounge]/189 StephenW asks, "Emily, are you here?"
[lounge]/190 K-Y says, "but, uh-oh, 1GB"
[lounge]/191 Emily goes home.
[lounge]/192 * Emily has disconnected.
[lounge]/193 Rob says, "when your opponent has the flag, you can see where they are on a radar blip, but they can't see you (unless, through some means not worth describing, they can activate their own radar and see you coming)"
[lounge]/194 Rob says, "wow, I guess she isn't"
[lounge]/195 StephenW says, "yeah, guess not"
[lounge]/196 Rob says, "let's hope that was a random disconnect and not a total 'talk to the hand' logout"
[lounge]/197 Gerynar wanders off in search of bed
[lounge]/198 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]/199 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]/200 Rob says, "gn'erynar"
[lounge]/201 Ellison says (to StephenW), "she is here but has been idle for most of the time she's been here"
[lounge]/202 DavidW says, "It was likely a random disconnect."
[lounge]/203 Ellison says, "oops"
[lounge]/204 Rob says, "are you sure only Emily can help you and not the total rest of the mud"
[lounge]/205 StephenW asks, "Is anyone else working on Little Text People?"
Recapped 205 of 782 lines from rooms/lounge.
StephenW says, "Anyone else on here, I mean."
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "man, i have no idea about anything in seattle except for some stuff downtown / at the market, the baseball stadium, and where my aunt lives up to the north"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "for all i've been there half a dozen times"
Rob says, "hm not I"
Rob says, "I need to be reminded what it is"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "went up the space needle once, ate a lot of seafood, hung out with some homeless kids"
Recapping 30 of 30 lines from misc/personal/jacq-chat:
[jacq-chat]/001 vimes says, "harq! a jacq!"
[jacq-chat]/002 vimes says, "maga mentioned that i'm going to be in seattle, i presume"
[jacq-chat]/003 Jacqueline says, "Hark! A person who is going to be --yeah, that."
[jacq-chat]/004 Jacqueline says, "He said he would set something up, but then he got the plague, so I'm not sure he's followed up on that."
[jacq-chat]/005 vimes says, "ick.  no, we haven't made any specific plans yet."
[jacq-chat]/006 vimes says, "cultural outing followed by dinner get-together or a game night both sound good to me, though"
[jacq-chat]/007 Jacqueline says, "Mmkay, well as it so happens I'm taking a long weekend that weekend.  So I am about and have, thus far, no plans aside from ClubFloyd."
[jacq-chat]/008 Jacqueline says, "Which is, um, sorta negotiable sometimes if there is something special like you being here."
[jacq-chat]/009 vimes says, "how delightful!"
[jacq-chat]/010 vimes says, "my plane doesn't arrive until 1:30 or something, so it /probably/ won't overlap too much with CF."
[jacq-chat]/011 Jacqueline asks, "So, anything you want to see?  The King Tut exhibit, or the Klondike Gold Rush National Historical Park (which I hear is nice) or the aquarium or poking about in the market, or... ?"
[jacq-chat]/012 Jacqueline asks, "And you have a place to stay?"
[jacq-chat]/013 vimes says, "yeah, Valve is getting me a hotel."
[jacq-chat]/014 Jacqueline says, "Nice."
[jacq-chat]/015 Gerynar says, "Space-Needle ... take him to the Space Needle (just don't push him off the observation deck)"
[jacq-chat]/016 Jacqueline asks, "Why are you visiting, precisely?"
[jacq-chat]/017 vimes says, "(and transporting me from the airport to the hotel, and from the hotel to the office, and from the office back to the hotel, and from the hotel back to the airport)"
[jacq-chat]/018 Jacqueline asks, "Which hotel?"
[jacq-chat]/019 vimes says, "in-person interview with Valve."
[jacq-chat]/020 Jacqueline says, "Excellent."
[jacq-chat]/021 Jacqueline says, "I was hoping that was it."
[jacq-chat]/022 vimes says, "i have no idea which hotel yet - i only have the plane reservations, not my full itinerary in hand"
[jacq-chat]/023 Jacqueline asks, "Well, where is their office?"
[jacq-chat]/024 Jacqueline says, "Vaguely."
[jacq-chat]/025 vimes says, "west side of bellevue, middle-ish north/south"
[jacq-chat]/026 Jacqueline says, "Mmkay - we've been kinda meaning to go check that part of town out, I think."
[jacq-chat]/027 Jacqueline says, "Is it the funky oh you must visit place?  I think perhaps it is."
[jacq-chat]/028 vimes says, "man, i have no idea about anything in seattle except for some stuff downtown / at the market, the baseball stadium, and where my aunt lives up to the north"
[jacq-chat]/029 vimes says, "for all i've been there half a dozen times"
[jacq-chat]/030 vimes says, "went up the space needle once, ate a lot of seafood, hung out with some homeless kids"
Recapped 30 of 30 lines from misc/personal/jacq-chat.
[jacq-chat] K-Y says, "that's almost a folk song lyric"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "I went into the space needle with inky"
DavidW says, "I've never heard of it."
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "I haven't been there since he moved out of his old condo due to new relationship happenings"
StephenW says, "It's a new interactive narrative game that Linden Labs is working on.  I think Emily is consulting or otherwise involved in the project."
StephenW says, "I want to talk to her about speaking at a workshop in interactive narrative technology."
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Well we live by the space needle and will be pleased if you want to hang out downtown as we have no car, but neither do you, so anywhere there or here or in between seems good."
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "I had started to become accustomed to the occasional seattle trip right about when they stopped happening"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "through no fault of anyone's own"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "people deciding PAX was bogus, maybe"
StephenW says, "Also, if anyone here is into writing research papers, you should totally submit one to INT5 :)"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "as a brief visitor, i have no problem taking taxis or busses or what have you around"
Rob says, "well, you could send her an email saying 'hi I'm stephenW on ifmud, are you going to be speaking at this workshop? because I'm interested in that'"
Rob says, "yeah, you should"
Rob asks, "is there a url for INT5?"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Well, then it's better to plan around what it is you as the visitor want to do, so let us know."
Rob says, "oh you mean I/we should"
StephenW says, "I'm running the workshop, so I'm trying to talk to her about it."
Rob says, "well, you should too"
Rob says, "oh ok"
StephenW says, " http://dgrc.ncsu.edu/int5 "
Rob says, "well you should invite J Robinson Wheeler instead"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "the really important thing as far as i'm concerned is 'hang out with my friends'"
Rob says, "and pay him lots of money to come and be awesome"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "yep"
StephenW says, "This is an academic workshop... not the place to look for money :P"
Ellison says, "and cover his entourage, like Roody 'Hollywood' Yogurt"
jenrexrode asks (of Rob), "so you can just turn off and on that awesome at will?"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "i enjoy aquariums and food and museums and gorgeous scenery and so forth, but that's not the focus"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "I enjoyed randomly going for thai food or to that dessert place that used-to-be-near-inky more than the space needle"
[jacq-chat] BrenBarn says, "I went and hung out in Seattle center and watched people dancing, that was cool"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline asks (of Rob), "That chocolate place?"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "if I could have ever scheduled it playing board games with lpsmith would have been a priority more than tourist stuff"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "yeah! you know the one I mean"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "I got pretty sick last time I ate there, but have had other good experiences."
Rob says (to jenrexrode), "hm nope I can't"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "But yeah, inky took me there once."
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "aw"
two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
</two-star> I don't want you to pray to the duck. I want you to ASK THE DUCK YOUR QUESTION.
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "I remember going on a walk with inky and him saying 'look, there's the failed monorail sticking out up there'"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says (to v), "Well, we have an aquarium membership.  We might have a free pass left (not sure) for a guest.  But even if we don't, the three of us collectively would get in cheap.  We also have memberships to the art museum and the science museum."
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says (to Rob), "heehee"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "then there was the time we were on a bus and we were talking about random ifmud things and mentioned mamster, and a guy across from us on the bus said, 'Wait, you know mamster?'"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "which was awesome in four dimensions at once"
StephenW asks, "So what are the chances Emily will be back?"
Rob says, "ehh, not as good as her replying to a specifically-written email"
Rob says, "she is awful busy these days"
Rob says, "but email is still an official channel she responds to"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "ha - yay"
StephenW says, "Yeah... but I was hoping to actually talk to her.  I figure I've got a better chance of convincing her to come and/or learning who else to talk to."
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "ha ha"
Rob says, "well, you can keep rolling the dice, or you can mention in the same email that you'd like to chat about it, and maybe you can work it out that way"
Rob says, "I don't even know what time zone she's in at any given week these days"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "well, i'd enjoy going to the aquarium and then hanging out, be it dinner out or pizza at home with games"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Well, there are boardgame meetups all the time, and our regular one is on Wednesdays, but I think there are probably ones on Sundays or Mondays.  Would you like me to check, or did you mean getting together with other mudders for games?  That would be cool as well, either out at a pub or at our place."
[jacq-chat] Rob says (to vimes), "so what's vimes doing in seattle in the first place"
   # From         Date            Subject
  16 Jacqueline   26-Apr-03 16:37 Contest is over!
  17 jnc          27-Apr-03 01:07 If only I'd known about this before the c
  18 Jacqueline   01-Jun-03 14:47 Missed me?
  19 Jacqueline   31-Aug-03 17:49 Post Cards from the Edge...
  20 Jacqueline   18-Jul-04 12:25 Rangering Gig
  21 Limax        22-Sep-04 10:38 Has this happend to Jacq?
  22 Jacqueline   14-Nov-04 00:27 Isqui's New Town
  23 Jacqueline   05-Feb-05 18:34 AllThingsJacq.com
  24 Jacqueline   22-Feb-05 18:35 Paris Posts
  25 ctate        16-May-05 16:04 Be careful of Danger
  26 two-star     18-Jun-05 14:10 NPR on law enforcement park rangers
  27 Jacqueline   23-May-06 20:40 Marriaged
  28 Jacqueline   05-Aug-07 20:22 Site Update
  29 Jacqueline   01-May-08 10:58 Sponser me?
  30 Jacqueline   28-Dec-08 20:56 New ATJ Updates Feed
  31 Jacqueline   02-Jul-09 13:58 Moving!
  32 Jacqueline   27-Jun-10 22:01 Just a quick squid update
  33 Ampersand    15-Jul-11 10:26 Tacoma blog picks up Jacq PR
  34 Jacqueline   21-Jul-11 21:58 Small Town Girl Goes Big Time, News at 11
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "i was thinking other mudders - i can meet strangers anywhere"
[jacq-chat] vimes says (to Rob), "interviewing with Valve"
#31 [misc/personal/jacq-chat]      From: Jacqueline    Date: 02-Jul-09 13:58
Subject: Moving!
As many of you have heard, we're moving.  Those of you who have us in your addresss books, please change that address to:
Jacq & Sam Ashwell
PO Box 63
Yakutat, AK 99689
[jacq-chat] Rob asks (of jacq), "didn't I read that you guys were moving again?"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "or am I remembering something crazy from ages ago"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "wow, valve"
[jacq-chat] Rob says, "good luck with the interviw"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "thank you!"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "the two phone interviews went really well"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "and all signs so far point to 'they really, really like me'"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says (to Rob), "Us?  No.  We're in Seattle for at least a few years."
[jacq-chat] Alex says (to Jacqueline), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that US is Um Seven."
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "I would say 3-4 at least, maybe 5."
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says (to vimes), "Okay, then I shall see about having a soiree at our place and inquire with maga."
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "woo!"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "but he appears to be at game board night or something this evening, so I will ask him when I get home"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "i'll update my bbpost on #seattle when i know my exact itinerary"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Sounds good."
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline asks, "Maybe, if you could, sent me a note with the best evening for dinner / gamage?"
[jacq-chat] BrenBarn says, "IRTA 'garbage'"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "i'm pretty sure it's going to be Sunday the 1st"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "since i have interviews all day monday and i don't know how far into the evening that's going to extend, and those are the only two evenings i'm in town"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Gotcha."
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline asks, "Any specific requests supper wise?"
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "i can't eat bell peppers.  otherwise, i'm super flexible."
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "(it's not an allergy as such - they're just amazingly, intolerably bitter-tasting to me, no matter how they're prepared)"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "Yoga restaurant.  Got it."
[jacq-chat] vimes says, "hee hee"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline says, "I meant to @emit that.  Oh well."
[jacq-chat] K-Y says, "my lungs are contorting"
[jacq-chat] K-Y says, "I have inhaled a roast"
[jacq-chat] Jacqueline asks, "From laughing at my lame joke?"
[jacq-chat] Rob says (to jacq), "ok"
jmac goes home.
</jmac> jmac has disconnected from ifMUD.
[people-suk] Ellison says (to Rob), "that was nice of you to advise StephenW like that. I probably would have only said, 'Ok, just do everything opposite to what you're doing now.'"
[jacq-chat] BrenBarn says, "hooray"
[people-suk] Jacqueline says, "I'm pretty sure she's hanging out with maga somewhere this evening."
[people-suk] Jacqueline says, "So no, not here to be harassed."
Rob says, "hm submissions due soon"
[people-suk] Rob says, "yeah I was feeling at my helpfulness-est"
[people-suk] Rob says, "hangin' with maga eh"
StephenW says, "Yeah.  I posed something about INT5 on the message boards a while back, but I don't think many people read it."
[people-suk] Jacqueline says, "I think he mentioned that, yeah."
[people-suk] Jacqueline says, "He hadn't been feeling great, but said if he was feeling better he might."
Rob says, "yeah you have to bring it to her attention directly"
Rob says, "oh huh it's at stanford in october"
StephenW says, "Yeah"
Rob says, "coincidentally this is when my 20th alumni party is supposed to gather"
Rob says, "I wasn't planning on going to that, but now that there's two things at the same time, hm"
StephenW exclaims, "Well, all the more reason to submit a paper!"
Rob says, "even weirder, I actually *do* have a paper"
Rob says, "that I was working on a couple of months ago"
Rob says, "it's at least enough of something to submit, and someone else can decide whether it's worth a presentation or a poster or nuthin'"
Adam's reaction time is one nanosecond, and his "memory" capacity is 1,000 megabits.
Rob says, "hello! Adam"
Adam says, "Hello"
Rob asks, "how are you doing?"
StephenW exclaims, "The universe is telling your to submit to INT5!"
Adam says, "Right now I am in my hotel room recovering from this evening's excursion"
Rob says, "in what city are you"
Adam says, "11:30 p.m. and it was 100 degrees outside"
Adam says, "Montreal"
Ellison says, "so many hotels, so little time"
Rob says, "100 degrees??!"
Rob says, "I started thinking you were somewhere in the south"
Adam says (to Rob), "38C, anyway"
Rob says, "well dang"
Adam says, "Super humid, too"
Rob says, "what's going on in montreal"
Adam says, "Nothing, I was just in Eastern Canada and thought I'd swing by"
Rob says, "a city I'd like to visit again someday (only other visit was when I was 9 years old)"
Adam says, "I was in Quebec City this morning"
Rob says, "I'm kind of waiting to have a reason to go there besides idle revisitiveness"
Adam says, "The difference I noticed: in Quebec City no one switched to English upon noticing my accent, and in Montreal everyone does"
Rob says, "kind of makes sense"
Rob asks, "which means you started in french both places?"
Adam says, "I guess maybe the QC folk are less comfortable in English, so as long as I speak vaguely passable French they will stick to it"
jenrexrode says, "cool"
Adam says, "Yeah, I have tried to start in French everywhere here"
Adam says, "(here = Quebec province)"
StephenW says, "Good night all"
Adam says, "I was in Ottawa earlier and didn't start in French there"
Rob says, "the one time I was in france and ordered a meal without speaking any english to the waiter, he paused to recalibrate his brain for a minute, as if he had to work to realize I was speaking his language, but then he was ok with it"
Rob says, "I'm assuming an accent overlaid with insecurity-tone-of-voice is what I produced"
Adam says, "I can speak quite well, it's just understanding what people say back to me that is very touch-and-go"
jenrexrode says, "my French teacher said I spoke French with a Texas accent."
Rob asks, "I think I probably said everything as if it were a question? you know?"
Adam says, "It's very much a matter of catching a couple of words and making up a sentence to go with it"
Rob says (to jen), "hooray"
Adam says, "And hoping that it's something like what the person meant"
Rob says, "or le yeehaw"
Adam says (to Jen), "I have a story about that"
Adam says, "I heard something a while back about Air France hiring representatives in Texas"
DorianX slouches off, muttering, "Why did we decide to travel to a planet called 'Pandora' in a ship called 'Titanic' launched from a base called 'Icarus' to find a resource called 'Lucifer'? Why must we tempt fate?"
</DorianX> Willy Wonka must die.
Adam says, "And answering the phone, 'Hello, kin Ah hep yeh?' and alienating the French customer base calling for flights back home from Texas, etc."
Adam says, "So Air France sent them in for French lessons"
Adam says, "And instructed them to answer the phone 'Bonjour, Air France'"
Rob asks, "voulay voos travayay por mwah, lil lady?"
jenrexrode says (to Rob), "haw haw"
Rob says, "travayay rhymes with yippy-ki-yay"
Adam says, "Initially it came out as "Bahn-jurr, Air Freance'"
Rob says, "heh"
Adam says, "So they sent the reps in for accent lessons"
Recchi enters the lounge, triumphantly hoisting object #31337.
Adam says, "And they were very successful"
jenrexrode says, "cool"
Rob says, "uh oh"
Adam says, "Soon the reps could produce a perfect 'Bonjour, Air France!' in a Parisian accent"
Adam says, "So they restaffed them"
Adam says, "Next morning:"
Adam says, "'Bonjour, Air France! Kin Ah hep yeh?'"
Rob says, "there's a way in which you could work out french phonemes and texan phonemes and scramble match the two to something akin"
jenrexrode says, "hee hee"
Rob says, "yay"
Rob shoots sixguns in air to express delight
jenrexrode says, "I guess France might have 2 syllables in Texas"
Rob says, "yeah, that's why the 'Freance' I think"
Rob says, "a'mean, ah thank"
Adam says, "Anyway, I don't know whether you've heard about this already, but I came to Canada to visit my friend Mandy and her daughters (age 8 and 6)"
Adam says, "Meaning that last Thursday, after 14 years, I finally played Photopia with actual little girls"
Rob says, "hadn't heard, go on"
Adam says, "(colored scenes only)"
Rob says, "oh wait, so who's Mandy then"
Adam says, "I went to grad school with her back in the '90s"
Rob says, "(also, photopia was 14 years ago? wha ?)"
Adam says, "Yeah, it's been around as long as both girls put together"
Rob says, "well goldang"
Rob says, "as we say in texas"
Rob asks, "so how did the girls like it?"
Rob asks, "also, how did they relate to IF type stories in general. were they getting it/getting into it?"
Adam says, "It was very interesting, but my main observation was that they seemed as though they would like old-style IF - they had little patience for long descriptions, and little interest in exploring for the sake of exploration, but they were puzzle fiends"
Rob says, "oh, huh"
Rob says, "puzzle fiends is good"
inky says, "oh yeah"
Rob says, "I always took a long description as a reward for getting somewhere new"
inky says, "seeing you talking about this with Rob reminds me that I should have suggested you show them ASCII and the Argonauts"
Adam says, "They kept trying to make everything into an elaborate puzzle: 'Okay, I want to take these rocks and use them to sharpen this shovel into an axe and go back to the red planet and chop my way into the power plant'"
Rob says, "and I guess there's various types of players. I happen to love exploration for its own sake"
Rob says, "hm, neat"
Rob says (to inky), "hmm"
Rob says, "well that's pure puzzles with all surface stripped bare"
inky says, "I forget what age kids hear about greek mythology"
Rob says, "also it's something that I've been planning for half a decade to make into a graphic puzzle game"
BrenBarn says, "but old-school IF wouldn't provide any of those solutions"
Rob says, "so knowing whether the puzzle skeleton works for kids is of interest to me"
Rob says, "modern simulationist IF might"
Adam says, "Apparently the game made an impression because they've been playing space-themed games in the days since the visit"
Rob says, "also, if they're keenly thinking along those types of lines, then they're budding IF authors"
Rob says, "it's a short step from out-thinking an author's solutions to wanting to come up with your own puzzles and make them happen"
Adam says, "Here's something Mandy found in purple crayon on a slip of paper:"
Adam says, "'Dear Lucy, The plan hasn't worked. I need to find a way to escape this house and go my home Planet Mars and find the thumb drives. Sincerely, Charlotte. PS: Being your fake human sister was fun.'"
Roger says, "Awww"
Rob says, "aw man, an even younger generation of IF kids makes me feel older, but makes me hopeful anyway"
Rob says, "wow"
inky says, "ha ha"
Rob says, "it's a novel in 37 words"
[games] jenrexrode says, "I have 3 A's left to finish this game of word with friends - thank goodness for lava"
Rob says, "ok, I have to hustle and boogie on out of here"
inky says, "boogie night"
Rob says, "talk to you later, Adam"
Rob says, "and you other guys"
Adam says, "Yeah, it's pretty late out here"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.