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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
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  interested in this subject. To join, go to
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  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> So you're like, "Wow, this book comes with an onion!"
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, jpt, DorianX, Jon, Bishop, marc, GDorn, Jearl, Ryan, Allen, Psmith, lpsmith, baf, Matthew, Whizzard, Dave, ghira, Grocible, McMartin, Doug, zaphod, vaporware, Marktwo, annabianca, nothings, BrenBarn, Fang, DavidW, borowski, Hugo, vimes, Ellison, inky, jenrexrode
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 945 of 2503 lines from recent channels:
[lounge]/08:44 DavidW materializes out from a silver haze in the light.
[lounge]|08:44 DavidW says, "morning"
[DustWorld]|08:44 DavidW says, "Guest is sleeping on the futon, but I went and made breakfast and tea anyway."
[lounge]|08:46 olethros says, "hey, DW"
[breakfast]|08:46 Allen says, "bleu cheese & cherry tomatoes"
[breakfast]|08:49 DavidW says, "ick. I hate bleu cheese."
[breakfast]|08:49 DavidW says, "I had my usual hox grain mix of barley, lentils, beans, rice, and noodles, today spiced with taco seasoning."
[breakfast]|08:49 DavidW says, "s/hox/thot/"
[kitties]|08:54 Allen says, "ooh, there goes a fluffy orange cat never seen before"
[vim]|08:58 Allen asks, "hmm, can I set a vimrc so I never have expandtab when I'm editing a filename named 'Makefile'?"
[vim]|08:58 Allen says, "I've never made complicated vimrc's before, but it is finally annoying me to have to turn that off every time, or get an error"
[breakfast]|09:03 Allen says, "wasn't filling. I added some wild hog & venison habanero sausage"
[breakfast]|09:04 DavidW says, "goodness. If that doesn't put hair on your chest, I don't know what will."
[breakfast]|09:11 boucher says, "If spicy food puts hair on your chest, Allen has so much he loses small animals in it."
[breakfast]|09:13 DavidW says, "It's not just the spiciness, it's that wild hog and venison part too. That hunting mystique."
[breakfast]|09:14 DavidW says, "It's just a really manly sausage."
[breakfast]|09:15 boucher says, "There's a butcher up the road that does custom jobs and sells exotic meats.  I've always meant to check them out and see what they have."
[breakfast]|09:15 boucher says, "I've had a variety of less common meats, but bear is about the most unusual I've tried, really."
[breakfast]|09:16 DavidW says, "I suspect Jacqueline's had a lot of exotic meats too. The most exotic I can claim are venison and rabbit."
[breakfast]|09:17 boucher says, "Heh, I'm reminded of a Lileks.com review of a vintage pamphlet for rabbit meat."
[breakfast]|09:17 DavidW says, "(I remember her telling us about reindeer sausage.)"
[breakfast]|09:17 Allen says, "it's from the fancy grocery store Central Market, but it's nothing unusual. There are wild hogs all over Texas... the explosion of them in recent year means a lot of landowners are happy to pay people to hunt them, and they've shown up in food in recent years"
[breakfast]|09:17 Allen says, "Fuddruckers even sells a wild boar burger"
[breakfast]|09:17 boucher says, "He looked the company up to find they're still operating...but as demand for rabbit as food is low, they now sell medical experiment animals."
[breakfast]|09:18 boucher says, "I saw that.  Sadly, our local Fuddrucker's is not a participating store."
[breakfast]|09:18 Allen says, "reindeer sausage? I thought they were called caribou in North America"
[breakfast]|09:19 DavidW says, "I don't know. They could be two different animals for all I know."
[breakfast]|09:19 boucher says, "Yeah, I hear that, due to them becoming a nuisance, Australians are now trying their hand at getting people to eat kangaroo meat, even though they're the national animal."
[breakfast]|09:19 DavidW says, "That's sad."
[breakfast]|09:20 Allen says, "I think kangaroo has been a niche meat animal for many years"
[breakfast]|09:20 boucher says, "It'd be like Americans offering up a Bald Eagle Sandwich, or Canadians offering Beaver Burgers."
[breakfast]|09:20 DavidW says, "I've never even thought of kangaroo as a possible meat source."
[breakfast]|09:21 DavidW says (to boucher), "oh, we'd happily eat beaver burgers, I think. Beaver hunting is part of our nasty heritage, or so I heard."
[breakfast]|09:21 boucher says, "Well, yes, but generally for the fur, not the meat."
[breakfast]|09:21 DavidW says, "True."
[breakfast]|09:21 maga says (to boucher), "or a Floridian eating gator, or an Alaskan eating moose"
[breakfast]|09:21 boucher says, "Though I do recall something about Catholics and beavers being reclassified as fish."
[breakfast]|09:22 maga says, "nobody really wants to eat beaver on account of it tasting terrible"
[breakfast]|09:22 DavidW says, "I don't think I'm ready to eat a Catholic."
[breakfast]|09:22 boucher says, "HEh"
[breakfast]|09:22 boucher says, "Too gamey and holy"
[breakfast]|09:23 DavidW says (to maga), "yeah, I kinda wondered about that."
[breakfast]|09:23 Allen | Kangaroo meat has been exported since 1959.[17] Seventy percent of kangaroo meat is exported, particularly to the European market: Germany and France.[16] It is sold in supermarkets in England[18]
[breakfast]|09:23 boucher says, "Well...the British.  We all know they'll eat anything the French won't."
[breakfast]|09:24 DavidW says, "er, there's stuff the French won't eat? I seem to remember a Paris siege where they got rather adventurous with the cuisine."
[breakfast]|09:24 Allen asks, "the 1871 Commune?"
[breakfast]|09:24 DavidW says, "I don't know dates."
[breakfast]|09:25 DavidW says, "One of my trivia books has them experimenting with horsemeat and rats and cats and so on."
[breakfast]|09:25 Allen says, "sure"
[breakfast]|09:25 Allen says, "1943:"
[breakfast]|09:25 Allen | In Belgium cats cost 125 francs on the black market and dog meat 50 francs a pound.
[breakfast]|09:26 boucher says, "Enh, it's the chef's secret.  Drown it in butter and sauces, serve it with some fresh bread, and see if they notice."
[breakfast]|09:26 Allen says, "cats are often sold as "roof rabbit""
[breakfast]|09:26 DavidW says, "ha"
[breakfast]|09:26 boucher says, "That's an odd euphemism."
[breakfast]|09:26 boucher says, "I mean, I guess our cats have occasionally gotten onto our roof, but not as a rule."
[breakfast]|09:26 Allen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
[breakfast]|09:27 Allen | In 18th-century Britain, geeks were known to eat cats as a part of a form of live entertainment.[18]
[breakfast]|09:27 Allen says, "I'm glad I'm a nerd, not a geek"
[breakfast]|09:27 Allen says, "oh, here comes a kitty. Nom nom nom"
[breakfast]|09:31 Allen says, "oh, btw, here is one of my favorite photos, a hammerhead shark eating a fluffy kitty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47443904@N00/5110174349/in/photostream "
[breakfast]|09:32 DavidW says, "oh my"
[lounge]|09:32 Oren holekh ha'bayta.
[lounge]|09:32 * Oren has disconnected.
[breakfast]|09:32 boucher says, " http://www.pinktentacle.com/images/shokotan.jpg "
[breakfast]|09:33 boucher says, "(A idiosyncratic Japanese 'idol' who has a fondness for putting cats in her mouth)"
[vim]|09:39 Binder says, "autocmd FileType make setlocal noexpandtab might do it, according to a vim wiki"
[breakfast]|09:39 DavidW asks, "I suppose she did as a joke once and now has to do it over and over again since it was the one thing that got her noticed?"
[breakfast]|09:40 boucher says, "I think she's just naturally a little weird, but since in the Japanese idol business, any gimmick will help, she kept it up."
[breakfast]|09:40 Allen says, "there's probably a special word for it in Japanese porn now"
[breakfast]|09:41 boucher says, "Probably.  Heck, it wouldn't take much for 'catnom' to be a meme here."
[breakfast]|09:43 boucher says, "As the Internet continually encourages everyone towards a more eclectic and shortened attention span, I think we're all turning Japanese.  (I really think so.)"
[breakfast]|09:53 Lionheart says, "It's also isolating. Everyone around you is a total stranger."
[breakfast]|09:55 DavidW says, "Perhaps that's why I think, ideally, I'd like my home to be a group unit, a lifeteam, rather than just a me and one other person."
[breakfast]|10:01 boucher says, "I'm more about carefully controlling how much time I spend with people.  Sometimes I'm feeling gregarious, but then suddenly, maybe I'm not.  I want the control that lets me...to put it bluntly, send them away."
[breakfast]|10:02 boucher says, "A group living situation would sometimes involve compromise that I'm selfishly not willing to accept."
[breakfast]|10:02 boucher says, "I enjoy company, I like my friends, I have fun with others, but when I want alone time, I want it on my terms."
[breakfast]|10:03 DavidW says, "well, I'd certainly have my own room."
[breakfast]|10:05 boucher says, "It even extends to how I feel about work.  Some jobs ask that you make them (likely due to a demanding schedule) part of every aspect of your life."
[breakfast]|10:06 DavidW says, "yeah, I don't want to marry my job."
[breakfast]|10:07 boucher says, "Your coworkers are not just a 9-to-5 obligation, but the people you spend all your 'free' time with as well, because you can't realistically have a life outside of work.  Sure, the office may have a foosball table in an attempt to appear fun, but it's really a thick string attached that says 'We expect you to give us your life.'"
[breakfast]|10:08 boucher says, "I have friends who have apartments, prefurnished, they haven't a single touch of personalization added, everything's pristine...they probably even have maid service, to clean the place they never go except occasionally to sleep."
[breakfast]|10:09 boucher says, "I, on the other hand, consider my personal space my primary place, and can't imagine trading that, not even for a very nice office."
[breakfast]|10:11 boucher says, "(I also don't have maid service...it's a mess, and if I had coworkers, and invited them here, they'd have to stand uncomfortably until I asked them to a larger room that was less stiflingly designed around a single occupant.)"
[lounge]|10:16 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[lounge]|10:20 Nitku doesn't even know what glutz is!
[lounge]|10:20 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
[lounge]|10:35 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|10:35 Jota greets.
[lounge]|10:39 Gunther says, "jotarian"
[adventures]|10:47 Gunther says, " http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/121701 "
[lounge]|10:53 Emily arrives.
[comics]|10:55 olethros says, "oh Liefeld is bad"
[lounge]|10:55 inky is pretty sleuthy for a music teacher.
[youtube]|10:58 Jota says, "Youtube comments on a magic act:"
[lounge]|10:58 Jota | > Anyone know how they actually chopped her in half?
[lounge]|10:58 Jota says, "Ilac."
[youtube]|10:58 Jota | yaeh, with a giant saw...
[youtube]|10:58 Jota says, "Argh. Well, I screwed up that paste twice."
[youtube]|10:59 Jota | > Anyone? know how they actually chopped her in half?
[youtube]|10:59 Jota | yaeh, with a giant saw...
[youtube]|10:59 Jota | you can see it if you watch closely...
[lounge]|10:59 Jota pushes the button on the typo tally.  Bing!
[youtube]|11:00 inky says, "hee hee"
[lounge]|11:01 maga greets arrivals
[adventures]|11:14 Gunther says, "also http://hoodwinkgame.com/ "
[lounge]|11:14 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, rosy pink this time of day.
[rpg]|11:26 Jota says, "This 'Fake War Stories' blog started out OK and has been getting progressively more boring as it's gone along."
[rpg]|11:27 inky says, "there may just not be that much content out there"
[obits]|11:29 DorianX says, " http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/17/us/obit-rodney-king/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 "
[obits]|11:30 DorianX says, "This story is so breaking it appears not to be finished"
[obits]|11:30 olethros says, "hee"
[lounge]|11:31 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|11:31 * Emily has disconnected.
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:33 Jota says, "I wonder if there's ever been a story where a child befriends an alien who is stuck on Earth, but whom the adults never get to see, and then at the end it turns out the kid was hallucinating all along."
[greece]|11:35 olethros says, "(failed) grenade attack against TV station"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:38 DavidW says, "hm, probably, but not in North America. Try Asia."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:40 nothings says, "calvin&hobbes fanfic"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:40 nothings says, "Harvey"
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:40 nothings says, "are the closest i can think of"
[obits]|11:41 Jacqueline says, "Huh.  There were just some articles about him in the paper, not too long ago, and it seemed like he was doing okay these days.  Wonder how he drowned."
[apropos-of-nothing]|11:41 DavidW says, "hm, Walter Mitty, I guess."
[lounge]|11:41 eu arrives.
[obits]|11:48 inky says, "maybe didn't drown"
[obits]|11:50 Jacqueline says, "Yeah, I guess we'll see."
[facebook]|11:50 Lionheart asks, "Huh, YDKJ is now a Facebook game?"
[obits]|11:51 Gunther says, "killed by the po-po"
[facebook]|11:51 DavidW says, "I think so but I haven't checked it out. I think I would get addicted almost instantly."
[lounge]|11:51 Jacqueline goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[lounge]|11:51 DavidW goes southwest to play with toys.
[facebook]|11:52 Lionheart checks it out.
[lounge]|11:52 inky goes southwest to play with toys.
[facebook]|11:52 Lionheart says, "(I've missed Jack so)"
[facebook]|11:52 DavidW says, "I heard that the questions never repeat. so you can't memorize it all like you could with the home game."
[facebook]|11:53 inky asks, "so with the home game it was possible with work to know jack?"
[lounge]|11:56 djfletch goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|11:56 maga goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|12:00 eu goes southwest to play with toys.
[facebook]|12:02 Gunther says, ""never" is a long time"
[facebook]|12:03 DavidW says, "well, I can't even remember where I read about it now."
[DustWorld]|12:03 DavidW says, "Roommate's guest must be a smoker. I hear him coughing in the back yard."
[lounge]|12:05 ASchultz has arrived.
[lounge]|12:05 ASchultz goes southwest to play with toys.
[research]|12:06 olethros says, "this is the first time that a journal copy-editor changed our style from american to british!"
[facebook]|12:08 Gunther says, ""How often will questions and answers repeat in this game? A) constantly  B) constantly  C) once a month  D) never""
[facebook]|12:09 inky says, "ha ah"
[board-games]|12:09 Gunther says, "#hate"
[board-games]|12:09 Gunther | "WARLIKE": Goblins vs Pirates vs Ninjas vs Robots vs Elves vs Zombies vs Vampires
[board-games]|12:09 Gunther says, "get out."
[board-games]|12:10 (from nothings) Gunther says, "that's the only proper response if they forget Monkeys"
[facebook]|12:10 Lionheart says, "Yay, gibberish questions. Gives a nice illusion of playing against your facedbook friends by emulating their timing."
[board-games]|12:11 Gunther says, "and pants"
[facebook]|12:11 olethros asks, "this thing still exists??"
[facebook]|12:12 * olethros has left the channel.
[facebook]|12:12 Gunther says, "facebook? sadly y.."
[facebook]|12:12 Lionheart exclaims, "Yes, it's back!"
[facebook]|12:13 Lionheart says, "Heh, "You did it! You managed to score below zero! You get to spin- The Loser Wheel!""
[facebook]|12:14 Lionheart says, "And I got an Achievement for that too"
[lounge]|12:16 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|12:16 K-Y says, "hello"
[facebook]|12:16 Lionheart says, "Well, that was fun."
[greece]|12:17 olethros says, "exit polls: close"
[greece]|12:19 olethros says, "27.5-29% for right, 27-28.5% for left"
[greece]|12:19 olethros says, "the left can form a coalition with a moderate leftist party having 7.5%, and the right with a liberal right party having also 7.5%"
[greece]|12:20 olethros says, "the nazis and communist both got 5.5% each"
[greece]|12:21 olethros says, "oh and the socialists get 10-12%"
[greece]|12:22 olethros says, "on balance, the left parties seem to have most of the votes"
[lounge]|12:27 Lionheart makes no law abridging the freedom of s***ch, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to ***emble, and to pe***ion the government for a redress of grievances.
[lounge]|12:27 Lionheart goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|12:31 inky arrives from the Toyshop, leaving a thoroughly violated Tickle Me Elmo weeping bitterly in the doorframe.
[lounge]|12:38 Lionheart makes no law abridging the freedom of s***ch, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to ***emble, and to pe***ion the government for a redress of grievances.
[lounge]|12:38 Lionheart goes southwest to play with toys.
[greece]|12:46 ghira asks, "is that a decrease for golden dawn there? weren't they about 7% last time?"
[greece]|12:47 olethros says, "that's still within the margin of error"
[greece]|12:47 ghira says, "and the socialists getting 12% are the Syriza guys? So not done too well then"
[greece]|12:48 olethros says, "no, those are the left guys"
[greece]|12:48 ghira looks on BBC. Pasok?
[greece]|12:48 olethros says, "the socialists are .... centrists"
[greece]|12:49 ghira says, "eww. and in either case 29+7 isn't exactly compelling on either site"
[greece]|12:49 ghira says, "er side"
[greece]|12:49 olethros says, "the spectrum is more or less : communists - syriza - democratic left - pasok - new democracy - independent greeks - nazis"
[greece]|12:49 ghira says, "though I guess the magic 50 seat bonus comes into it again"
[greece]|12:49 olethros says, "well, they had 16-20% in hte last elections"
[greece]|12:49 olethros says, "so that's a considerable moviement"
[greece]|12:50 olethros says, "golden dawn gets 9% in athens"
[kitties]|12:50 Jota says, "If cats could operate doorknobs, they would not be such popular housepets."
[kitties]|12:50 ghira says, "some can use door _handles_"
[kitties]|12:50 Jota says, "And it is already the case that door handles are not popular housepets. QED."
[kitties]|12:51 ghira says, "and some are surprisingly good at shouldering doors open or pulling at edges of doors with paws"
[kitties]|12:51 ghira says, "though friends of ours have 3 cats only one of whom can open doors. the others clearly think he's a science genius"
[Internet]|12:52 Allen asks, "the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek has download quotas? What is this, 1998?"
[Internet]|12:53 olethros says, "the thrifty germans"
[DrawSomething]|13:01 Jota says, "That was odd."
[DrawSomething]|13:01 Jota says, "Someone just guessed CUAWK before QUACK."
[piano]|13:03 Allen says, "some music I just found at the Paris Bibliotech Nationale: http://plover.net/~agarvin/keyboard.png "
[greece]|13:03 ghira asks, "when do the official results come out. tomorrow?"
[piano]|13:05 Allen says, "lots-o-lines"
[DrawSomething]|13:06 Jota says, "I don't think I can continue my game with VW."
[DrawSomething]|13:06 Jota says, "Every time I try, it just gets stuck on 'Loading Game' until I kill the app."
[greece]|13:09 olethros says, "yes."
[greece]|13:09 olethros says, "they already have counts from the small prefectures"
[greece]|13:10 ghira says, "that seems quite fast"
[greece]|13:10 olethros says, "that's greek efficiency for you"
[kitties]|13:10 ghira says, "the Mi came back inside at about 5pm"
[kitties]|13:10 olethros says, "after our smell stopped wafting out"
[kitties]|13:10 ghira says, "I think it was no sound, no movement"
[greece]|13:11 olethros says, "a huge amount of movement to the right wing party"
[greece]|13:12 olethros says, "the nazis are still not outlawed"
[greece]|13:12 ghira asks, "is the ND splinter party still around?"
[greece]|13:12 ghira says, "(indpendent greeks? something like that)"
[greece]|13:12 olethros says, "no, they got back into the fold"
[greece]|13:12 olethros says, "ah, independent greeks is the _other_ ND splinter, and they are still out"
[greece]|13:12 ghira says, "ah ok"
[greece]|13:12 olethros says, "(they get 7.5%)"
[greece]|13:13 olethros says, "man, spartans are 10.9% nazi"
[greece]|13:15 ghira asks, "does golden dawn get seats more easily by local concentrations of votes or does that not make a lot of difference?"
[greece]|13:15 olethros says, "it's proportional representation, plus the 50 seat bonus"
[greece]|13:15 ghira says, "as long as they get 7% or whatever their number of ... ok"
[greece]|13:16 olethros says, "yeah, and the 3% threshold"
[bacon]|13:16 * jenrexrode has joined the channel.
[greece]|13:16 olethros says, "then there is a round-robin allocation algorithm to assign local seast"
[bacon]|13:16 jenrexrode says, "baked"
[lounge]|13:16 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[greece]|13:16 ghira says, "ok"
[lounge]|13:16 jenrexrode says, "Hi"
[lounge]|13:17 jenrexrode goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[lounge]|13:18 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[lounge]|13:21 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
[greece]|13:22 olethros says, "anyway, this would result in the nazis getting seats in places where they got the highest %"
[greece]|13:23 ghira says, "ah ok"
[UK]|13:25 olethros asks, "did you go to london again ?"
[UK]|13:25 ghira asks, "today?"
[mudmeets]|13:25 olethros says, "also, swiss mudmeet"
[mudmeets]|13:26 olethros says, "suggestions:"
[UK]|13:26 ghira says, "no. tale left here at about 10:30"
[mudmeets]|13:26 olethros says, " http://www.myswitzerland.com/en/swiss-chocolate-train.html "
[UK]|13:26 ghira says, "and fang at about 11:30"
[mudmeets]|13:27 olethros says, "oh I had no idea that fang had slept over as well"
[UK]|13:27 olethros says, "oh I had no idea that fang had slept over as well"
[mudmeets]|13:27 ghira says, "this sounds plausible"
[UK]|13:27 ghira says, "saturday evening yes"
[UK]|13:28 ghira says, "he was there quite late watching sapphire and steel and so on as you may recall"
[mudmeets]|13:28 ghira says, "I guess the thing to do might be to propose a swiss mudmeet via bb something and use one of those doodle/moodle things to see who is available when"
[UK]|13:28 olethros says, "ok"
[UK]|13:28 olethros says, "lac"
[mudmeets]|13:29 olethros says, "ok"
[mudmeets]|13:29 ghira asks, "what sort of history of non-UK mudmeets in Europe is there?"
[mudmeets]|13:29 ghira says, "essen, I suppose"
[mudmeets]|13:29 olethros says, "and depending on the numer of people, we may have to find different accommodation"
[mudmeets]|13:29 ghira says, "indeed"
[lounge]|13:30 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|13:30 * K-Y has disconnected.
[mudmeets]|13:31 olethros says, "ok, I'll do a doodle at least"
[mudmeets]|13:32 olethros asks, "3 days sounds OK for a meet?"
[mudmeets]|13:34 ghira says, "counting arrival and departure day like this time it seems about the minimum for anyone arriving from elsewhere"
[mudmeets]|13:39 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! olethros has posted message 83, about 'possible swiss meet', to the bulletin board! Oh, hey, Greg tells me you should be using Fed Ex custom critical instead."
[mudmeets]|13:40 olethros says, "yeah, champex has lots of chalets"
[mudmeets]|13:41 olethros says, "they are rentable per week"
[lounge]|13:41 zarf walks off through the wall; pale violet light flares briefly around him.
[mudmeets]|13:42 olethros says, "it's 600 / week for the 6-person chalet apartment"
[mudmeets]|13:43 ghira says, "well let's see when people are available. I'm very low on annual leave this year but partly because I have a defensive 3 week block taken in september to visit Australia and may not use all of that"
[DrawSomething]|13:43 jenrexrode says (to Jota), "even if you kill the background process, too?  there's also an option to sign-out now, I wonder if that would help.  I'd hate to see you lose your progress."
[DrawSomething]|13:44 Jota says (to jen), "I exited the app and opened up that little tray-like interface thing that lets you stop apps running in the background to kill it."
[DrawSomething]|13:45 Jota says, "All my other games work fine (after I kill and re-start the app to get it out of 'Loading Game'); it's just his that breaks it."
[mudmeets]|13:45 olethros says, "ah, pre-emptive holidays"
[mudmeets]|13:46 ghira says, "indeed. stop anyone else in the department booking one then"
[DrawSomething]|13:46 Jota says, "I've never logged out before, so I'm not sure if I'll need a password I don't know to get back in..."
[DrawSomething]|13:46 jenrexrode says, "hm, I can't remember how I got one unstuck now"
[greece]|13:47 olethros says, "ok. ND: 28.6-30%, Syriza 27.5-28.4%"
[DrawSomething]|13:48 jenrexrode says, "sheesh, I may have reinstalled, I can't remember"
[greece]|13:48 olethros says, "this electoral law also makes fraud less effective, I suppose"
[greece]|13:48 ghira asks, "and can ND make a sensible coalition if it's #1?"
[lounge]|13:53 ghira says, "fang fang fang"
[lounge]|13:53 Fang says, "hi"
[lounge]|13:53 Fang says, "made it back"
[lounge]|13:53 ghira asks, "back from oxford already?"
[lounge]|13:53 Fang says, "yeah"
[lounge]|13:53 ghira says, "ah. that was a brief trip"
[lounge]|13:53 Fang says, "it was basically househunting"
[lounge]|13:54 ghira says, "I think we guessed you were going to a conference or something"
[lounge]|13:54 Fang says, "nah"
[lounge]|13:54 Fang says, "I had arranged a few viewings"
[greece]|13:54 olethros says, "they get 122 seats, so neat another 28. Pasok seems to be getting 27-28 seats"
[greece]|13:54 olethros says, "*need"
[greece]|13:54 ghira says, "back to the good old days then"
[greece]|13:55 olethros says, "yeah, pretty much. They were no good, but got old pretty quck"
[lounge]|13:56 Tale begins to describe his day-to-day activities, which range from such mundanities as renting videotapes and making dinner reservations to committing brutal murders.
[lounge]|13:56 Tale says, "hello"
[lounge]|13:56 ghira says, "tale tale tale"
[lounge]|13:56 Fang says, "hi"
[lounge]|13:56 Tale says, "hey guys"
[lounge]|13:56 Fang says, "huh, interesting timing"
[lounge]|13:56 ghira asks (of tale), "trip ok? gatwick fun as ever?"
[lounge]|13:56 Fang says, "suspicioussss"
[lounge]|13:56 Tale says (to ghira), "A lot of boredom!"
[lounge]|13:56 ghira says (to tale), "I can imagine"
[lounge]|13:56 Tale says, "Long wait at Gatwick, long wait for Trains, etc."
[lounge]|13:57 ghira says, "bleah"
[lounge]|13:57 Tale says, "And 10th planet wasn't interesting enough to keep me awake"
[lounge]|13:57 ghira says (to tale), "I'm sorry to hear that"
[lounge]|13:57 Tale says (to gunther), "I took 2 rides on the train of terror! Two!"
[lounge]|13:57 Tale says (to ghira), "It's allright."
[lounge]|13:57 ghira says (to gunther), "he was very very brave"
[lounge]|13:57 ghira says, "as was fang, of course"
[lounge]|13:58 Tale says, "I had 2 exciting days before, so it kind of evens out."
[lounge]|13:58 Fang asks, "what's the 10th planet?"
[lounge]|13:58 ghira says (to tale), "AB has been in bed since about 2. and the Mi finally decided at 5pm that things were quiet enough that she would come back in"
[lounge]|13:58 ghira says (to fang), "doctor who book"
[lounge]|13:58 Fang says, "heck, what's the 9th? [/pedant]"
[lounge]|13:58 Tale says (to fang), "A doctor who story"
[lounge]|13:59 Tale says (to ghira), "That cat is very reserved."
[lounge]|13:59 ghira says (to tale), "I hope you've handed over your treasures before logging on to the mud"
[lounge]|14:00 ghira asks (of tale), "did you get the right versions of things?"
[lounge]|14:00 Tale says (to ghira), "I haven't seen Sonja yet, but tea and chocolate has been handed over to much rejoicing, so yeah."
[weather]|14:00 Ryan says, "Um. Thursday's forecasted high is 100F (38C)."
[weather]|14:01 DavidW says, "That seems excessive."
[lounge]|14:01 ghira says (to tale), "ok"
[lounge]|14:02 Tale says, "I will post the exciting video from the train tomorrow or so"
[lounge]|14:02 ghira says, "splendid"
[lounge]|14:09 (From Tale) : explains that time is a corridor.You can't enter into time, but sometimes time can try to enter into the present.
[lounge]|14:10 Tale says, "Wait, that's totally not how that works"
[lounge]|14:17 ghira says (to tale), "woo woo _woo_ woo woo woo woo"
[mudmeets]|14:19 ghira wonders if the Volks train would be improved if they served coffee and croissants on it
[mudmeets]|14:20 olethros says, "I am sure"
[mudmeets]|14:21 annabianca says, "there could be time for a 5 course meal"
[mudmeets]|14:21 Tale says, "People could run beside it, serving meals"
[mudmeets]|14:22 olethros says, "the gruyere train serves fondue in the first class"
[mudmeets]|14:22 olethros says, "(you can book a car)"
[mudmeets]|14:25 ghira asks, "there's also a gruyere train, eh?"
[mudmeets]|14:26 olethros says, "yeah, cocolate or fondue train"
[mudmeets]|14:27 (from ghira) olethros says, "also cuckoo clock train and nazi gold train, but no free samples on those"
[mudmeets]|14:27 olethros says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|14:30 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[mudmeets]|14:34 Gunther asks (of tale), "'run'?"
[mudmeets]|14:35 ghira says, "they could have waiters along the route put things on your plate as the train went past"
[mudmeets]|14:35 ghira says, "oh, we're coming up to the potato station now"
[Japanese]|14:37 Gunther | Super Typhoon Sets Aim at Japan
[mudmeets]|14:38 olethros says, "ha ha"
[mudmeets]|14:38 olethros says, "ok, the chilli was good"
[mudmeets]|14:38 olethros says, "I tried the Dragonsback"
[mudmeets]|14:39 olethros says, "a very good level of hotness. You can eat the whole chilli and it tastes good and not too spicy"
[art]|14:39 Gunther says, " http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljhujtAjWj1qanb21o1_r1_500.jpg "
[mudmeets]|14:39 olethros says, "so, the 6/10 is very accurate"
[mudmeets]|14:40 ghira says, "good to know"
[mudmeets]|14:40 olethros says, "there is a long-lasting, but not overbearing hotness, overall, but it is the taste that hits you first. Somewhat musty."
[mudmeets]|14:40 ghira asks, "is it nice?"
[mudmeets]|14:40 olethros says, "yes, very good."
[mudmeets]|14:40 ghira says, ""musty" doesn't sound like something i want in food"
[mudmeets]|14:40 olethros asks, "I dunno,... woody?"
[mudmeets]|14:41 ghira says, "ok. probably still too hot for me, though."
[mudmeets]|14:41 olethros says, "about as hot as standard peperoncini I think"
[mudmeets]|14:42 ghira asks, "the other one you got was 7 or 8?"
[mudmeets]|14:42 olethros says, "no, lower. 3-4."
[mudmeets]|14:42 olethros says, "but it promises to be very tasty."
[art]|14:43 Jota says, "That's kinda weird and disturbing."
[art]|14:44 Gunther says, "it's the arm, isn't it"
[mudmeets]|14:45 ghira says, "I might take the Pisans a wider selection of dried things this year"
[lounge]|14:45 BrenBarn busta.
[mudmeets]|14:47 olethros says, "yeah, I think that I'll use these in the future rather than pepperoncini"
[mudmeets]|14:47 olethros says, "plus, I have some mild turkish chilli flakes which have an altogether different taste"
[mudmeets]|14:48 ghira says (to gunther), "olethros had a marmite experience"
[mudmeets]|14:48 olethros says, "oh wait, touched nose."
[videogames]|14:49 Gunther | Blade Kitten bombed so fucking hard that not only would Atari not pony up the fees to put Ep. 2 out anywhere, no publisher in the industry would touch that shit
[mudmeets]|14:49 ghira says (to olethros), "ooer"
[stationery]|14:50 olethros says, "et voila, I have an EF pelikan 200 nib"
[lounge]|14:50 maga enters the lounge. Thumps and penitent shrieks follow.
[stationery]|14:50 olethros says, "it's much better for writing formulae"
[personals]|15:01 BrenBarn says, "this user enjoys intellectual conversations but apparently set her prefs saying she doesn't like others who also enjoy them"
[personals]|15:03 maga says (to BrenBarn), "so apparently she just likes being the smartest person in the room"
[personals]|15:03 BrenBarn says, "maybe she likes pontificating to doofi who just respond 'd-uhh. . .'"
[mudmeets]|15:06 olethros asks, "has anybody taken any pics btw?"
[gender]|15:09 Jota says, "I am not sure if the person writing this is revealing his own subconscious biases, or if I'm just missing something. On the subject of the gender imbalance among professional magicians:"
[gender]|15:09 Jota | Others point to the all-male gatekeepers of the magic clubs and associations, the male-dominated images on magic kits and TV shows, or the problematic entertainment value of watching a woman saw a man in half
[gender]|15:10 Jota asks, "In what way is the entertainment value of watching a woman saw a man in half any more problematic than the other way around?"
[lounge]|15:10 vimes goes southwest to play with toys.
[personals]|15:11 Jota says, "Maybe she enjoys holding conversations with intellectual people whom she dislikes."
[personals]|15:11 Jota says, "Or she like forcing her friends who don't like intellectual conversations into having them against their will."
[gender]|15:13 maga says (to Jota), "well, the man-saws-woman thing is familiar and expected, and people are less likely to read anything into it"
[gender]|15:16 maga says, "whereas if you do woman-saws-man everybody suddenly notices 'hey, this has kind of heavy fetishy overtones'"
[personals]|15:16 Jota says, "Mmm."
[personals]|15:16 Jota says, "Ilac."
[personals]|15:16 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[gender]|15:16 Jota says, "Mmm."
[personals]|15:16 BrenBarn says, "mmmm, delicious intellectual-conversation coercion"
[gender]|15:17 Jota says, "That makes sense, although using the phrase 'problematic entertainment value' tp refer to it seems weird."
[gender]|15:18 maga says (to Jota), "'problematising' might be more accurate, but it's also a clusterfuck of a word"
[mudmeets]|15:20 ghira says, "I'm not sure. I don't think AB or I did"
[mudmeets]|15:20 ghira says, "tale filmed some part of the train journey"
[gender]|15:20 Jota says, "(As a side note on the general topic, I've already seen multiple women pointing out the fact that women have a harder time starting out in magic because the books -- usually written by men -- tend to assume that you'll have things like, e.g., pockets.)"
[gender]|15:20 Jota says, "(Which makes perfect sense in retrospect, but which I never would have thought of on my own as a significant factor.)"
[gender]|15:21 maga says, "and formal dress that has big sleeves. that makes sense"
[lounge]|15:27 maga goes southwest to play with toys.
[TSD]|15:31 vimes says (to DavidW), "because assaulting a man with a wiener would never occur to you"
[TSD]|15:32 DavidW says, "One assaults men with tampons, silly."
[gender]|15:36 Jota says, "...and then here is a female magician who is probably not doing her gender any favors when she does a gender stereotyped version of linking rings (using clothes hangers) and then a 'straitjacket striptease'."
[gender]|15:39 inky says, "#belated given the rest of the sentence I wonder if they meant "a man sawing a woman in half""
[videogames]|15:41 inky | http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/brevity-20120527.gif
[videogames]|15:42 Gunther says, "snrk"
[videogames]|15:43 BrenBarn says, "heh, cubits"
[DrawSomething]|15:44 inky | Ryan Seacrest and CBS are teaming up to turn the iPhone and Android game Draw Something into a TV show
[DrawSomething]|15:44 inky says, "but of course to make it into a game show they'll have to make it competitive, with winners and losers"
[DrawSomething]|15:44 inky says, "so they'll probably call it something like "win something, lose something, or draw something""
[gender]|15:45 Jota says (to inky), "I'm pretty sure they meant 'women aren't magicians because [...] it would be problematic to see a woman [magician] sawing a man [assistant] in half'."
[DrawSomething]|15:45 Jota says, "Yay."
[gender]|15:47 inky says, "yeah, but that doesn't make any sense to me"
[gender]|15:47 inky says, "(that that would be considered problematic)"
[gender]|15:47 inky says, "whereas saying "women don't get involved in magic because currently their only role is to be a prop in the trick" does"
[gender]|15:48 inky says, "I mean, it would be pretty weird to swap the genders by accident, but not impossible"
[css]|15:48 BrenBarn asks, "has anyone ever tried to write a document-authoring system that uses css to specify display characteristics that would apply to multiple output formats?"
[css]|15:49 BrenBarn says, "like, where you'd use CSS to specify stuff but could output it to HTML or to PDF or maybe some ebook format"
[css]|15:49 Gunther says, "yeah, it's called LaTeX"
[css]|15:49 BrenBarn says, "that's not CSS"
[css]|15:50 BrenBarn says, "in fact LaTeX is hideously bad at what I'm trying to get at"
[css]|15:50 Gunther says, "and that's why it works"
[css]|15:50 vimes says, "well, you can do media queries in css, which people do"
[css]|15:50 BrenBarn asks, "is that the stuff where you can specify different rules for print, screen, etc.?"
[css]|15:50 inky says, "I'm not exactly sure what you're asking here"
[css]|15:51 vimes says, "right"
[css]|15:51 inky asks, "is it basically "can I use html+css to output pdf"?"
[css]|15:51 BrenBarn says, "yes, but also can it not suck"
[css]|15:51 inky says, "ha ha"
[css]|15:51 Gunther says, "no."
[css]|15:51 vimes says, "no, it's css"
[css]|15:51 inky says, "now you're asking the hard questions"
[css]|15:51 Gunther says, "CSS is fucking shit"
[gender]|15:51 Jota says, "The rest of the post is at http://www.psmag.com/culture-society/why-have-women-magicians-vanished-8369/ if you wanted to see the rest of the context."
[css]|15:51 BrenBarn says, "whatever man"
[css]|15:52 BrenBarn says, "I think CSS is pretty good"
[css]|15:52 Gunther says, "PDF requires absolute positioning of everything"
[css]|15:52 BrenBarn says, "it does, but that doesn't mean the document author has to specify it all"
[css]|15:52 Gunther says, "also that one XML thing does it"
[css]|15:52 vimes says, "docbook"
[css]|15:53 Gunther says, "ughh"
[css]|15:53 BrenBarn says, "what I'm asking is, has anyone tried to take the CSS idea of specifying presentation info separately from semantic markup, and broaden that into a system where you specify a media-independent markup together with media-indepedent presentation info and you can get output to different media"
[gender]|15:53 inky | a few located the reasons in innate biological and psychological traits, including physical size, the ability to keep secrets and even give birth
[css]|15:53 Gunther says, "XML-something"
[gender]|15:53 inky says, "if you think pulling a rabbit from a hat is impressive, check this out"
[css]|15:53 BrenBarn says, "maybe with some media-specific tweaks for when you do want something to be different in different media"
[gender]|15:53 Jota says, "Ha ha."
[css]|15:53 Gunther says, "I forget the name"
[css]|15:54 Gunther says, "oh yeah, FO"
[css]|15:54 Gunther says, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSL_Formatting_Objects "
[gender]|15:54 Jota says, "Which now reminds me of that one female magician with the trick with the red handkerchief."
[css]|15:54 BrenBarn says, "I looked at docbook but it seemed really verbose and focused on programming and not extensible"
[gender]|15:54 inky says, "uh-oh"
[lounge]|15:54 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[gender]|15:54 inky asks, "the trick so amazing, it can only be performed once a month?"
[css]|15:54 Gunther says, "however, I have in all of my career seen exactly one thing that would output to >1 format and not suck"
[css]|15:54 Gunther says, "and that's Jasperreports"
[css]|15:55 vimes says, "latex does a fine job of outputting to postscript /or/ pdf"
[css]|15:55 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[css]|15:55 Gunther says, "yeah postscript is not really a format"
[css]|15:55 Gunther says, "it's more of a hitlerian abomination"
[css]|15:55 BrenBarn says, "hmmmm, I heard about XSL-FO but I don't really know what it is, I'll read up on this"
[gender]|15:56 Jota says, "Ha. Not quite, but you probably don't want to watch it at work."
[gender]|15:56 inky says, "hmm"
[gender]|15:56 inky says, "ok I read the article and I still can't really figure out what they meant"
[css]|15:57 BrenBarn says, "the thing is XSL and XML are so ponderous"
[gender]|15:57 Jota says, " http://www.noob.us/entertainment/lady-magician-strips-down-naked-to-prove-she-has-nothing-to-hide/ "
[gender]|15:57 Jota says, "(...is the NSFW red handkerchief act.)"
[gender]|15:57 inky says, "beyond "there are not many female role models in magic""
[css]|15:58 inky says, "I pity the fo who attempts to use xsl-fo"
[css]|15:58 Gunther says, "you only think you're joking"
[gender]|15:59 inky says, "hmm"
[gender]|15:59 inky says, "actually I think I have seen this"
[css]|15:59 Gunther says, "also I don't think anyone ever wrote an XSL-FO frontend that goes to anything but HTML or PDF"
[css]|15:59 Gunther says, "maybe not even HTML"
[gender]|15:59 inky says, "probably because you linked to it"
[gender]|15:59 Jota asks, "Have I linked to it before?"
[gender]|15:59 inky says, "well, I'm not sure where else I might have gotten it from -- metafilter, maybe"
[css]|16:00 BrenBarn says, "those are definitely the main ones it seems like anybody would want"
[css]|16:00 BrenBarn says, "although I'm getting pretty annoyed with PDF"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:00 vimes says, "hmm, i think the virgin mary just appeared in the fingerprints on my ipad"
[css]|16:01 Gunther says, "just use @media print and print to pdf"
[css]|16:01 BrenBarn | XSL-FO was specifically designed to meet the requirements of "lightly designed" documents typified by technical manuals, business documents, invoices, and so on. While it can be and is used for more sophisticated designs, it is inherently limited in what it can do from a layout and typographic perspective.
[css]|16:01 BrenBarn says, "busted!"
[css]|16:02 inky says, "well, I'm not sure you can write a system that is all three of 1) general 2) generates multiple formats 3) has sophisticated layouts in each format"
[css]|16:02 Gunther says, "like I said, JasperReports"
[css]|16:02 BrenBarn says, "I must admit the name 'Jasper' is a plus"
[css]|16:03 inky says, "I haven't seen jasperreports but the name makes me think it's only suitable for certain kinds of documents"
[css]|16:03 BrenBarn says (to inky), "hmmmm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:03 Jota says, "Huh, now it might be worth almost as much on eBay as a replacement iPad would cost."
[css]|16:03 Gunther says, "you can convince it to do almost anything but yes, it has requirements"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:04 inky says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:04 djfletch says, "It would be a nice easter egg if an app made you draw things in fingerprints without you realising."
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:04 inky says, "LQQK IPAD 3 W/VM"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:04 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[css]|16:05 BrenBarn says, "I dunno, what I think would be cool is a system where each output format can sort of incrementally specify what it knows how to do"
[css]|16:05 inky says, "I mean, if you as a human can codify all your general rules for formatting such that no hand-tuning is required, it seems pretty doable"
[css]|16:06 BrenBarn says, "pu ny hu man can not co di fy for mat ting!"
[css]|16:06 inky says, "but it seems like in most cases you'll have to go through and, say, tune where the page breaks are in a pdf"
[css]|16:06 BrenBarn says, "yeah"
[css]|16:06 BrenBarn asks, "well, what do you mean tune?"
[css]|16:07 BrenBarn says, "like, I can imagine a system where the PDF outputter tunes the page breaks for PDF without that having to be specified in the document"
[css]|16:07 inky asks, "but will it tune how you want it to?"
[css]|16:07 BrenBarn says, "and perhaps CSS-style specification could specify certain page-break-related preferences that would apply if the document is output to a format where they're relevant"
[hedgehog]|16:08 annabianca says, "bestiobestio"
[css]|16:08 inky says, "like, the human rule for this is probably kind of complicated: "don't put just a couple lines of a section at the bottom of one page, break early instead; unless the section is short or it's long enough that it would leave too much whitespace on the page to break before it, in which case go back before the previous section and force it forwards""
[hedgehog]|16:08 ghira says, "wait until our guests leave before you show up why don't you"
[css]|16:09 BrenBarn says, "sure, but I think those kinds of rules are specified fairly intelligently in something like TeX"
[css]|16:09 inky says, "I guess I'm really talking about an issue with separating content and presentation, not having multiple presentations"
[css]|16:09 BrenBarn says, "the problem is just that TeX specifies them in a way that's not separated from its own output format"
[css]|16:09 inky says, "I dunno man"
[css]|16:09 inky says, "if TeX is so great why do all TeX documents use the same font"
[css]|16:10 BrenBarn says, "well, I don't think I have to tell you what font MY tex documents use"
[css]|16:10 BrenBarn says, "I'm not saying TeX is great"
[css]|16:10 BrenBarn says, "TeX is good at some things, and incredibly sucky by modern standards as a program"
[css]|16:10 inky says, "but yeah, like I said, if you can do it all automatically it seems pretty doable"
[lounge]|16:10 Emily arrives.
[css]|16:10 BrenBarn says, "because it has basically no facilities for interoperating with anything else"
[mudmeets]|16:11 Emily says, "GRUYERE CASTLE"
[css]|16:11 BrenBarn says, "but the thing is, if TeX is able to specify the kinds of rules you said, then you could 'port' that logic to a better system"
[mudmeets]|16:11 Emily says, "please tell me that is a castle carved wholly from cheese"
[css]|16:11 inky says, "but I think you may end up having to put output-format-specific-hints for each format in the content doc"
[css]|16:11 BrenBarn says, "hmmmmmmm"
[css]|16:12 BrenBarn asks, "would you have to put them in the content doc, or could they be in a sort of 'stylesheet' that you select as part of your output choice?"
[mudmeets]|16:12 Jota says, "Bring Your Own Cavorite."
[css]|16:12 BrenBarn says, "this is the possibility that intrigues me"
[css]|16:12 inky says, "well, they're tied intimately to the content, it seems like"
[mudmeets]|16:13 Emily says, "sadly that is not a time when I am available to attend, but still. GRUYERE CASTLE."
[css]|16:13 inky says, "like it may come down to "do a line break at this specific point in this specific word""
[mudmeets]|16:13 maga says, "ha ha"
[css]|16:13 BrenBarn says, "that's true"
[css]|16:14 BrenBarn says, "but it still seems like you could get a system where you only have to specify stuff specifically if you're doing really specific stuff"
[css]|16:14 BrenBarn says, "TeX really pisses me off because everyone's like 'the paragraph line-breaking algorithm is such genius!'"
[css]|16:15 inky says, "yeah, but the question is, is it like "90% of documents have no specific stuff required and 10% of documents have a bunch", or is it "90% of documents have *some* specific stuff required and 10% of documents have a bunch""
[css]|16:15 BrenBarn says, "and I'm like, great, so why is it buried in TeX instead of being a nice modular linebreakingalgo.py"
[css]|16:15 BrenBarn says, "hmmmm"
[css]|16:15 inky says, "I assume it is described in volumes I through IV of knuth's work"
[css]|16:16 inky says, "actually it looks like there are a bunch of descriptions of it and it's not too bad"
[css]|16:16 BrenBarn says, "yeah, I googled and found some stuff"
[css]|16:16 BrenBarn says, "but it seems really weird to me that everyone just uses tex instead of taking the good typography stuff from tex and making something way better"
[css]|16:16 BrenBarn asks, "like why isn't that algorithm in Firefox?"
[css]|16:17 BrenBarn says, "also to get back at your earlier thing, it seems like the thing is, even if 90% of documents require some specific stuff, to what extent can that stuff be specified in a clean way"
[mudmeets]|16:17 ghira says (to emily), "You can add it to your demands for your next gig."
[mudmeets]|16:18 ghira says, "20 telephone lines, 5 kinds of mineral water, and a castle made of gruyere."
[css]|16:18 inky | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630181
[css]|16:18 BrenBarn says, "like, it seems like a thing that says 'insert line break here' is fairly low-impact in terms of intrusion of presentation into content"
[css]|16:18 BrenBarn says, "I REST MY CASE"
[css]|16:18 inky says, "yeah"
[css]|16:18 inky says, "the (a) problem is when you edit the content you have to go through and re-check al the hints manually"
[css]|16:20 BrenBarn says, "also, I think you could argue that in many cases where things like that become an issue, they really are part of the content and not the presentation"
[css]|16:20 BrenBarn says, "which is inherently going to be difficult"
[css]|16:20 BrenBarn says, "like if you're doing concrete poetry where you want to specify custom spacing between all the letters"
[css]|16:20 inky says, "yeah, I don't mean like that, although I agree that's a thing"
[css]|16:20 inky says, "I just meant where the algorithm for wrapping isn't producing the right result and you need to hint it"
[css]|16:20 BrenBarn says, "hmmmmm"
[css]|16:21 inky says, "but then you add some words and it should now be wrapping at some other word"
[css]|16:21 BrenBarn says, "ah, I see"
[css]|16:21 BrenBarn says, "hmmm, I dunno, I feel like in that sense it could be true that a lot of documents won't require any hinting"
[css]|16:21 inky says, "anyway, what I get from this mozilla ticket is that the tex algorithm is trickier with very complex layout arrangements"
[css]|16:22 BrenBarn says, "yeah"
[css]|16:22 inky says, "but you may be willing to give that up to some extent"
[css]|16:22 BrenBarn says, "well, or alternatively I may be willing to give up the oh-so-great paragraph layout just in the cases where it can't deal with the complex layout"
[css]|16:22 BrenBarn says, "(or maybe that's what you meant)"
[css]|16:23 inky says, "yeah"
[css]|16:24 inky says, "also I think mozilla's layout algorithm has to assume that the user can't be asked to give hints and can't be asked to change their stuff"
[css]|16:24 inky says, "whereas that's not true for your own formatting"
[css]|16:24 BrenBarn says, "true"
[mudmeets]|16:25 olethros says, "well, end of august to mid-october is the best season wrt the lack of tourists and the weather still being nice"
[css]|16:25 BrenBarn says, "it seems to me like a good general system would still be a win even if there are a few edge cases that require hints, because every existing system already has that too"
[lounge]|16:25 Grocible says, "evening"
[css]|16:26 BrenBarn says, "people tear their hair out when TeX, Word, IE, or whatever doesn't do what it's supposed to"
[mudmeets]|16:26 olethros says, "the weather until christmas is highly unpredictable"
[mudmeets]|16:26 Gunther says, "clearly we should mudmeet on http://www.glacierexpress.ch/ "
[lounge]|16:27 inky says, "ok off"
[lounge]|16:27 inky got credit for creating Common and the concept of money, for generating lots of art and literature, and for being the very best at killing his enemies.
[mudmeets]|16:27 olethros says, "the name itself is a paradox"
[mudmeets]|16:28 Gunther says, "no it isn't"
[mudmeets]|16:28 olethros says, "'as slow as a glacier'"
[mudmeets]|16:28 Gunther says, "it's an express train through the glaciers"
[mudmeets]|16:29 olethros says, "I was _trying_ to be funny"
[mudmeets]|16:29 Gunther says, "it was certainly trying"
[mudmeets]|16:29 ghira asks, ""the most famous railway in the world"?"
[mudmeets]|16:30 Gunther says, "the Swiss live in their own little world"
[mudmeets]|16:30 ghira asks, "trans-siberia express? orient express?"
[mudmeets]|16:30 olethros says, "they say that for all these special trains"
[mudmeets]|16:30 Gunther says, "to name but two"
[lounge]|16:30 Ellison arrives from the Toyshop, Baywatch Barbie perched on a convenient shoulder.
[mudmeets]|16:31 olethros says, "zermatt and st moritz are hard to get to from anywhere else though"
[lounge]|16:31 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[mudmeets]|16:31 Gunther says, "they provide transport to and from basel/zurich"
[mudmeets]|16:31 olethros says, "it's a 3-4 hour ride to zermatt from here, and st. moritz is 4 hours to zurich"
[mudmeets]|16:31 Gunther says, "but really the mudmeet should just be in essen"
[mudmeets]|16:31 olethros asks, "spiel?"
[mudmeets]|16:32 Gunther says, "yes."
[mudmeets]|16:32 ghira says, "yeah that would make sense really"
[mudmeets]|16:32 olethros says, "it's not very idyllic, but it certainly is geeky"
[lounge]|16:32 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|16:32 K-Y says, "re"
[mudmeets]|16:32 olethros says, "(and I suppose cheaper, if we don't rent a chalet)"
[mudmeets]|16:33 olethros says, "(chalets cost around $100/person/week)"
[mudmeets]|16:33 ghira says, "you can rent chalets at Spiel? (deliberately being obstuse)"
[mudmeets]|16:33 Gunther says, "Zimmer im Revier has flats for EUR 20/person/day"
[mudmeets]|16:33 olethros says, "maybe you can find something acceptable"
[books]|16:33 K-Y says, "the top audiobooks at iTunes are truly awful"
[mudmeets]|16:34 olethros says, "we could just rent a big apartment/house/villa though, if we confirm that people are coming to essen"
[lounge]|16:34 DavidW arrives from the Toyshop, leaving a thoroughly violated Tickle Me Elmo weeping bitterly in the doorframe.
[mudmeets]|16:34 olethros says, "oh, I forgot the most important thing for the mudmeet."
[mudmeets]|16:35 olethros says, "the foire du valais and the cow fights"
[DrawSomething]|16:36 jenrexrode says (to inky), "hehe"
[DrawSomething]|16:36 jenrexrode says, "woth Vickie Lawrence"
[mudmeets]|16:37 Gunther says, "only problem w/Essen is I've already booked, and am there with 6-9 other people"
[lounge]|16:37 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|16:37 * Tale has disconnected.
[mudmeets]|16:38 olethros says, "you austrians"
[lounge]|16:39 djfletch arrives from the Toyshop, Baywatch Barbie perched on a convenient shoulder.
[lounge]|16:39 Tale explains that time is a corridor. You can't enter into time, but sometimes time can try to enter into the present.
[lounge]|16:39 Tale says, "re"
[tale]|16:42 annabianca says, "our kinder eggs have multiplied very strange"
[tale]|16:42 Tale says, "I realized I packed four"
[facepalm]|16:43 Gunther | Lawyer Suing Apple Over the Loss of His First Child's Birth Pictures
[tale]|16:43 ghira says, "we will make sure no-one from customs and border protection is watching. thank you very much"
[tale]|16:43 annabianca says, "thank you we'll take care of thm"
[tale]|16:43 annabianca says, "them"
[facepalm]|16:43 Gunther says, "(Time Capsule hard drive died)"
[facepalm]|16:43 Gunther says, "dude, backups"
[facepalm]|16:44 Gunther says, "also try not to be the next Charles Carreon"
[tale]|16:44 Tale says, "I knew you would"
[facepalm]|16:44 K-Y says, "if only he had kept them on Megaupload"
[tale]|16:45 Tale asks, "Did you open them yet?"
[tale]|16:45 ghira says, "not yet"
[facepalm]|16:45 Gunther says, "oh burn"
[greece]|16:45 olethros says, "ach, more deadlokc"
[greece]|16:45 olethros | Pasok, which has suffered terribly from its identification with failing policies, might not continue in the coalition unless Syriza is also brought on board
[greece]|16:45 ghira asks, "no?"
[tale]|16:45 annabianca says, "not yet I've slept all afternoon"
[tale]|16:45 ghira says, "we heard some complaining earlier today"
[tale]|16:46 Tale says, "hah"
[greece]|16:46 olethros says, "and obviously they won't go on board because they do not want to be associated with a failed government"
[greece]|16:46 ghira asks, "what is wrong with these people?"
[greece]|16:46 olethros says, "they are all politicians."
[greece]|16:48 olethros says, "ok, syriza already refused to be in a government"
[greece]|16:48 ghira says, "maybe they want to keep greece in the headlines"
[DrawSomething]|16:49 Jota says, "That sounds like a tricky thing to draw."
[lounge]|16:49 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|16:49 * Ellison has disconnected.
[greece]|16:53 olethros says, "I wonder how long it will be before the republican party also calls for mining US borders to stop illegal immigrations"
[greece]|16:53 olethros says, "-s"
[lounge]|16:53 djfletch can produce a dozen witnesses to swear he was elsewhere.
[youtube]|16:55 Gunther says, "huh, I didn't know you could press 1-0 in youtube videos to skip to that minute"
[lounge]|16:56 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|16:57 jenrexrode says, "man, I shoulda had more caffeine today.  I've slept through most of it, including CF"
[youtube]|16:58 Jota says, "Huh."
[youtube]|16:58 jenrexrode says, "wow"
[youtube]|16:58 Jota says, "Also, when I just tried it, it skipped to that decile, not that minute."
[youtube]|16:58 Gunther says, "it goes to (keypress):(current second), yeah"
[videogames]|16:58 olethros | Pac-Man had to wear lipstick, a beauty mark, and a great big girly bow on her head. Despite being a limbless yellow disc, we were expected to find her "sexy". Some men will screw _anything_
[youtube]|16:58 Gunther says, "except for 0, which seems to go to 0:00"
[videogames]|16:59 olethros says, "as always, awesome: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/17/sometimes-hard-woman-made-pixels "
[youtube]|16:59 Jota says, "When I hit 7 on this video, it jumped to 9:33."
[youtube]|16:59 olethros asks, "maybe it's a 7/10th?"
[youtube]|16:59 Jota says, "1 goes to 1:22, 2 goes to 2:44, etc."
[youtube]|17:00 Gunther says, "ok, maybe it's because my video was 9:59"
[youtube]|17:00 Gunther says, "still! useful"
[youtube]|17:00 Jota says, "Heh."
[youtube]|17:00 Jota exclaims, "Indeed!"
[videogames]|17:00 Gunther says, "oh, this reminds me of something very interesting"
[videogames]|17:00 (from McMartin) Freud says, "Obvious oral fixation, nothing to see here."
[videogames]|17:01 Gunther says, "according to sales figures it appears Lollipop Chainsaw is the game most played by women"
[videogames]|17:02 Gunther says, "Tara Strong as a zombie hunter cheerleader with the decapitated head of her boyfriend, chainsawing zombies."
[videogames]|17:03 Gunther says, " https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/213373216289325057 "
[greece]|17:03 ghira says, "thing on the radio here just now about "diaspora bonds""
[greece]|17:03 ghira says, "re various places including greece"
[videogames]|17:04 McMartin says, "Maybe this is why zombies show up everywhere"
[videogames]|17:04 McMartin says, "I want to make a 'Pants vs. Zombies' joke here but I can't come up with a good one"
[videogames]|17:04 Gunther says, "also Cloudberry Kingdom now looks like this, apparently: http://i.imgur.com/cYssd.jpg "
[videogames]|17:05 Gunther says, "(the procgen sadosidescroller)"
[lounge]|17:13 Gunther says, "CSB"
[lounge]|17:13 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[videogames]|17:13 K-Y says, "as opposed to sudosidescroller"
[lounge]|17:14 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
[greece]|17:15 olethros says, "ah, le diaspora, c'est magique"
[videogames]|17:17 K-Y says, "I did not think that Persona 4 on Vita would be such a massive overhaul"
[videogames]|17:17 K-Y says, "they have fundamentally made the game more convenient to play"
[videogames]|17:19 K-Y says, "Persona fusion previously worked by 'do trial and error to see what recipes exist, then grind RNG rolls until you get the configuration you want'"
[greece]|17:19 ghira says, "apparently lots of Africans overseas are just bursting with a desire to lend money to the countries they came from"
[greece]|17:19 ghira says, "also Indians, Greeks etc."
[greece]|17:20 olethros says, "I am sure they are bursting."
[greece]|17:20 ghira says, "I for one was convinced."
[videogames]|17:20 K-Y says, "now it's basically 'pick the result you want, and get it'"
[greece]|17:20 olethros says, "wait, next euro match is greece vs germany, hooray"
[greece]|17:23 olethros says (to ghira), "I personally have not heard anything about donations or even loans from expats or diaspora"
[greece]|17:24 ghira says, "well the show said greece would like to think this would work but hasn't actually managed it"
[greece]|17:24 ghira says, "it said India has had success with it, various African countries are now trying"
[greece]|17:25 olethros says, "ah, greece getting anything to work is usually the result of divine intervention"
[greece]|17:26 Tale says (to olethros), "First we are harsh on your finances, now we will beath you at football. I'm so, so sorry                                                                                                                                                                                         ,"
[lounge]|17:26 Tale says, "hmm"
[videogames]|17:26 McMartin says, "Convenience, that greatest of sins"
[greece]|17:27 olethros says, "they are not my finance, and a german win is far from guaranteed"
[lounge]|17:29 jenrexrode wanders off.
[greece]|17:29 Tale says, "Of course it isn't"
[greece]|17:30 olethros says, " http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-05-21/awkward-obama-merkel-and-cameron-watch-soccer "
[lounge]|17:31 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[greece]|17:33 Grocible asks, "who's the guy on the left?"
[greece]|17:33 olethros says, "clutching his head? no idea"
[greece]|17:33 olethros says, "probably german"
[greece]|17:34 olethros says, "Holland is all 'why the fuck are we watching this shit'"
[videogames]|17:35 McMartin says, "Also, I think Cloudberry Kingdom is less 'sadistic' and more 'malfunctioning industrial machinery'"
[lounge]|17:37 Nitku leaves.
[videogames]|17:37 K-Y says, "you know, I like Auditorium, but I think there is a point where a 'solution' becomes a little too imprecise to be called a 'solution' anymore"
[videogames]|17:38 McMartin says, "Thing you do to make the plot progress"
[videogames]|17:38 K-Y says, "I don't think this can be called a 'solution' to anything http://www.thinkoholic.com/media/2009/02/auditorium/auditorium-7-sunset-6.jpg "
[videogames]|17:41 McMartin says, "I can't even tell what I'm looking at"
[videogames]|17:41 K-Y says, "basically, the developers contemplated that you have to make this happen in order to solve this puzzle"
[greece]|17:42 olethros says, "what the fuck, greeks"
[greece]|17:42 olethros | the on-screen assault by the [Nazi] party's official spokesman earlier this month of two leftwing female politicians [was described as] a "huge vote winner"
[greece]|17:43 Tale says, "huh"
[greece]|17:43 olethros says, "apparently lots of people thought that 'the communist cunts deserved it'"
[videogames]|17:43 K-Y says, "even looking at this picture, I cannot recreate what is happening"
[lounge]|17:44 olethros says, "let me sleep and see what morning brings"
[lounge]|17:44 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[videogames]|17:46 Gunther says, "heh"
[videogames]|17:46 K-Y says, "there is a stream of essence of music or something spraying from the origin you see near the top"
[videogames]|17:47 K-Y says, "using the icons within the white circles you influence the flow in ways that are wholly unexplained"
[videogames]|17:48 K-Y says, "the null icon and the arrow icons are at least straightforward"
[videogames]|17:49 K-Y says, "the gravity icon and the rabbit icon, as far as I know, stand for 'god knows'"
[videogames]|17:51 K-Y says, "also, as of Act 8 of the game we are now thinking with portals in addition to everything else"
[videogames]|17:58 K-Y says, "okay, yes"
[videogames]|17:59 K-Y says, "even the simplest use of the gravity icon basically reduces to 'randomly move crap around and hope for the best'"
[videogames]|17:59 K-Y says, "the fact that this is the first puzzle of Act 9 suggests that it's meant to be teaching you some principle to apply: http://www.thinkoholic.com/media/2009/02/auditorium/auditorium-9-sojourn-1.jpg "
[greece]|18:05 Grocible says, "that's really sad. I was hoping it'd expose the thugs for who they really are"
[videogames]|18:07 McMartin says, "I still can't even interpret the displays"
[videogames]|18:08 K-Y says, "a white circle is the area of effect of the icon at its center"
[videogames]|18:08 K-Y says, "a colored circle changes the color of the stream to its own color"
[videogames]|18:08 K-Y says, "the boxes must be filled fully by passing the stream through when the stream is the correct color"
[videogames]|18:09 K-Y says, "and the toothed circles are portals"
[videogames]|18:10 Gunther asks, "play the inbrowser demo?"
[lounge]|18:21 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|18:21 * K-Y has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:22 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|18:22 * Tale has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:37 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[lounge]|18:37 jenrexrode wanders off.
[Jotacabana]|18:39 Jota says, "I hate it when I'm eating soup from a large bowl, and I let go of the spoon, and it slides right down under the soup."
[lounge]|18:41 Firion enters the arena.
[lounge]|18:41 (From Firion) Provider One bids 300 quatloos for the newcomer.
[lounge]|18:41 Firion goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|18:49 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[programming]|18:56 boucher says, "This is going to be horrible and racist, but I'm frustrated and this is just my observation this evening...."
[programming]|18:56 boucher says, "There are lots of helpful people out there who post code samples, tutorials, and helpful advice about how to get things done."
[programming]|18:57 boucher says, "Nothing gets a project off the ground quickly better than someone who has already done roughly what you want.  Cut and paste, customize to meet your needs, and you're almost there."
[programming]|18:59 boucher says, "I have found precise and refined sample code that 'just works', and I have found other pseudocodish sample code that is rough and untested, often just giving the general gist, rather than being a working example."
[programming]|19:00 boucher says, "Every single time I've found the latter, it's been written by a south Asian, while the vast majority of working examples are by people elsewhere in the world."
[programming]|19:00 boucher says, "I've gotten to the point where I'd believe there's something cultural at work here."
[lounge]|19:01 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[programming]|19:01 Jota says, "My suspicion is that it's to do with the whole outsourcing concept."
[programming]|19:01 Jon says, "i'd explain it as the result of (a) there are a whole lot of south Asian programmers, and (b) industry training in south Asia prepared programmers for outsourcing work, for quite some time."
[programming]|19:01 Jon says, "also, timing."
[programming]|19:02 Jota says, "In that dirt cheap programmers who can churn out crappy code quickly is a major industry there."
[lounge]|19:08 borowski is now in glorious EXTRA COLOR!
[lounge]|19:08 borowski says, "Evening"
[programming]|19:11 McMartin says, "I will admit to having occasionally heard frustration in Silicon Valley about how serious talent is absurdly hard to import, even from other parts of the US"
[programming]|19:11 McMartin says, "With varying levels of smugness or horror depending"
[programming]|19:11 boucher says, "I sorta knew all this, but I also figured when it wasn't a job, but something they were freely sharing, perhaps in hopes that others would reciprocate, they'd make an effort to offer up working examples, especially since a library of unbroken code examples *helps* when churning out quick code for a client."
[lounge]|19:12 jenrexrode says, "hi b-ski"
[programming]|19:15 boucher says, "'Hey, this is like that thing I wrote an article about last month.  I think I'll go use that code instead of rewriting it from memory.  Let's see here...paste it in, and edit that and...huh, it doesn't compile.  Oh, I see.  It's because I just wrote 'and so on' instead of writing out the boilerplate for the event handlers.  Now I have to go find somewhere I actually wrote that down, or type it out from scratch....'"
[programming]|19:16 Jota says (to boucher), "That is thinking like a competent, skilled programmer."
[programming]|19:16 Jota says, "But the whole point of out-sourcing is to instead of obscene numbers of *cheap* programmers."
[programming]|19:16 Jota says, "So lots and lots of people who don't have the kinds of instincts to do what you're suggesting end up getting programming jobs."
[programming]|19:17 boucher says, "I guess I understand.  After all, I could never figure out how Chinese gold farming outfits in World of Warcraft made any money...."
[programming]|19:18 Jota says, "If, e.g., 1% of the population has the instincts to be a competent programmer, but the industry demands 5% of the population become coders, then 80% of your programmers are going to be incompetent."
[lounge]|19:18 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|19:18 * Emily has disconnected.
[programming]|19:18 boucher says, "I met a number of them because they often wanted to party up with me (which is foolish from a money maximization point of view) and then proceeded to do stupid things and die instantly to enemies way below their level, revealing that most of them didn't even know the basics."
[programming]|19:19 boucher says, "But I imagine they made money eventually because they paid these people so little, it didn't matter if they hired a hundred who ran around in circles like chickens with their heads cut off, as long as they also hired one who actually could play."
[programming]|19:19 Gerynar thinks he remembers Applesoft BASIC
[programming]|19:19 Gerynar says, "oh wait, that's not the basic you're talkin' about"
[programming]|19:20 boucher says (to Gerynar), "Congratulations!  You could be a third-world programmer."
[programming]|19:20 McMartin says, "Woo, CBM BASIC"
[programming]|19:20 McMartin says, "Actually, being able to do CBM BASIC makes you a talented programmer by US high school standards since doing anything with it involves extensive use of memory-mapped I/O"
[news]|19:21 McMartin | Climate, habitat, humans 'in cahoots to kill mammoths'
[programming]|19:21 boucher says, "'I see here that you have extensive experience POKEing and PEEKing....'"
[programming]|19:21 boucher says, "'Welcome to the porn industry!'"
[programming]|19:22 McMartin says, "Ha ha"
[lounge]|19:22 Emily arrives.
[programming]|19:22 McMartin says, "It is kind of distressing that when I, after 15 years or so away from it, found a C64 emulator and the first command I typed was POKE 53820,6 and it did exactly what I expected it to do"
[programming]|19:23 McMartin says, "(Makes the border disappear/blend into the background)"
[programming]|19:23 boucher says, "Ah, yeah, I think one of my first adventures on the C64 was to make the background and border shift colors madly."
[programming]|19:25 boucher says, "Later, these skills came in handy when one of my friends with a C128 wanted me to write various things to freak out a friend of his who came over tripping on acid."
[tangent]|19:27 boucher says, "Poor girl got so distressed, she started trying to eat her hand."
[tangent]|19:29 Jota asks, "Is this a PSA?"
[lounge]|19:29 Grocible says, "em"
[tangent]|19:29 Jota says, "'Don't do acid in front of your mean friends, because they'll get their nerd friends to make you eat your own hand?'"
[tangent]|19:29 borowski says, "Kids, Drugs and computers don't mix!"
[tangent]|19:30 Gerynar offers Microsoft Bob as proof
[dinner]|19:41 genericgeekgirl exclaims, "Our CSA gave us beets, so Amdi made borscht!"
[dinner]|19:55 jenrexrode says, "when life gives you beets..."
[dinner]|19:56 borowski says, "Glue on googly eyes"
[dinner]|19:56 jenrexrode says, "heh"
[Jotacabana]|19:57 * jenrexrode has joined the channel.
[bacon]|19:57 jenrexrode says, "having a whole package of bacon cooked takes away from the specialness"
[tangent]|19:58 boucher says, "She was okay, incidentally.  We gave her some bread to nom on instead and she seemed to calm down."
[tangent]|19:59 (from boucher) boucher says, "Unfortunately, it was moldy rye bread, so...."
[tangent]|20:00 borowski says, "the cycle of tripping was complete."
[dinner]|20:01 borowski says, "I also had beets for dinner but in a salad."
[tangent]|20:03 borowski asks (of boucher), "What freaked her out about the computer program?"
[dinner]|20:07 Jota almost misread borowski's comment as a response to jenrexrode on #bacon.
[dinner]|20:07 Jota says, "Also, missed the word 'beets'."
[bacon]|20:10 * borowski has joined the channel.
[lounge]|20:10 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|20:10 * Emily has disconnected.
[dinner]|20:12 borowski says, "I wonder if baked beets would be good."
[dinner]|20:14 DavidW says, "I dunno, but it reminds me of something I picked up last week: olives stuffed with garlic."
[tangent]|20:15 boucher says, "Oh, just the general flashing patterns.  She was having a bad trip as it was, so everything she saw was overstimulating."
[tangent]|20:16 boucher says, "Who knows what she saw.  Maybe the computer grew twelve feet tall and tried to eat her."
[tangent]|20:17 Jota asks, "And she decided to prevent that by doing it herself first?"
[tangent]|20:17 boucher says, "'Behold, for I am the Commodore!', it bellowed, 'I demand death of all who have left hands!'"
[tangent]|20:19 boucher says, "(The only hallucinations I ever had were fever-induced, and generally manifested in the twin complaints that the silence was too loud and that the ceiling was melting.)"
[lounge]|20:19 jenrexrode wanders off.
[bacon]|20:21 boucher says, "We are having a whole package of bacon cooked, but it is going into an yet more massive pot of chow mein, somehow restoring specialness."
[lounge]|20:28 boucher races up four flights of stairs into the lounge, not noticing the elevator.
[lounge]|20:29 boucher asks (of Allen), "Have my connects and disconnects been spamming in the lounge?"
[lounge]|20:29 boucher says, "I thought I was safely in Dorm A and set quiet"
[lounge]|20:29 boucher says, "Specifically so I wouldn't cause anyone any trouble"
[lounge]|20:29 boucher asks, "Is there something else I need to set, or were you in Dorm A as well?"
[lounge]|20:30 boucher says, "If people regularly hang out there, maybe I need to set my home elsewhere."
[lounge]|20:31 boucher says, "Anyone else is welcome to chime in with what they've seen...."
[lounge]|20:32 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|20:32 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:33 boucher says, "Okay, be back in a moment, then.  But please whisper to me at least if you have *any* feedback on what you've been seeing from me."
[lounge]|20:34 boucher goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|20:34 boucher arrives from the Toyshop, dazzling you with hot yo-yo action.
[lounge]|20:34 boucher enters the closet to the north.
[lounge]|20:35 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[dinner]|20:36 jenrexrode says, "pancakes"
[dinner]|20:37 borowski says, "Mmmm."
[lounge]|20:38 boucher comes out of the closet.
[lounge]|20:38 boucher asks, "Also, does anyone know where the object zarf made to test charset support on the mud went?"
[lounge]|20:39 boucher says, "Oh, there it is, right in front of my eyes"
[lounge]|20:40 boucher says, "Wow, my client passes 100%"
[lounge]|20:41 jenrexrode says, "yay"
[lounge]|20:41 boucher says, "Including successfully right-to-lefting the Hebrew, which I have no idea how that magic worked."
[golf]|20:41 * jenrexrode has joined the channel.
[lounge]|20:42 boucher says, "It's always a little scary when my code automagically does stuff I never expected it to."
[golf]|20:42 jenrexrode exclaims, "wow, I can't believe this tournament is going to be on until 930!"
[golf]|20:43 jenrexrode says, "gives me something to watch while cleaning the kitchen"
[lounge]|20:44 jenrexrode switched to wifi
[games]|20:45 jenrexrode says, "wow, I thought I was going to get beat by 20 points in words with friends, but she must have had some big unplayed tiles.  I won by 1 point."
[lounge]|20:46 borowski says (to boucher), "What charset are you using? I can't seem to get most alphabets to work."
[lounge]|20:48 boucher says, "My charset field is utf-8 and that's what I'm decoding as, displaying using Courier New in Windows."
[lounge]|20:48 borowski's corporeal form was TP'ed while he was astral projecting.
[lounge]|20:48 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|20:49 borowski is now in glorious EXTRA COLOR!
[lounge]|20:49 borowski says, "Ah, I was editing the 'default world' and not my ifMUD settings for my client."
[lounge]|20:50 boucher asks, "What client are you using?"
[lounge]|20:51 borowski says, "Kildclient. I had to logoff to change the charset for ifMUD."
[lounge]|20:54 jenrexrode wow, totally wireless, on battery power - don't usually do this.  Let's go to the other side of the house
[lounge]|20:54 borowski says, "living dangerously"
[lounge]|20:54 Hugo builds the Lounge an airport and a freeway, but he, he, he ain't gonna play Sim City.
[lounge]|20:56 jenrexrode says, "well I have a problem with half my house being unfinished..."
[cooking]|20:57 jenrexrode says, "I wonder if I can reuse this lemon-shaped squeeze bottle for home squeezed lemon juice."
[cooking]|20:58 borowski says, "I'd say yes"
[cooking]|20:59 borowski says, "but it might violate the EULA."
[cooking]|20:59 jenrexrode asks, "does eu stand for european union?"
[bacon]|21:00 jenrexrode says, "baking bacon made for delicious aluminum foil for Maddie to lick"
[cooking]|21:02 borowski says, "End user"
[cookies]|21:02 jenrexrode says, "oh, license agreement"
[lounge]|21:02 vimes happens to be an Exchange Server Administrator for a living.  You really need to clean up your lounge.
[cookies]|21:02 jenrexrode exclaims, "wrong cook!"
[cooking]|21:02 jenrexrode says, "oh, license agreement"
[programming]|21:03 borowski asks (of boucher), "What language are you writing your client in?"
[programming]|21:04 boucher says, "C#"
[programming]|21:05 borowski says, "Any particular reason? I'm trying to re-learn python and I'm thinking about trying to write something in that."
[jendoodle]|21:05 jenrexrode says, "turning the water heater down to increase the flow-rate to keep it from shutting off in warmer weather (need less hot when the cold water isn't so cold) led to unsatisfying hot water temp for handwashing dishes."
[programming]|21:05 boucher says, "I've fallen in love with it over the past 5 years, even if I can't say the same about WPF, which I've been forced to resort to, since WinForms decided to have a dysfunctional tab API amongst other problems."
[programming]|21:06 boucher says, "It's like Java, except not broken, and Windows-leaning in a way that's very convenient if you happen to have that as your target platform (and perhaps less nice if you want to run on Mono)"
[programming]|21:07 vimes says, "C# is a pretty nice language, i agree"
[programming]|21:07 vimes says, "unfortunately, mono is not a very good environment"
[programming]|21:07 boucher says, "So, unless performance is a major concern (and there are hacks to include bits of native code if it is), it's a very safe and convenient way to write apps."
[weather]|21:07 jenrexrode says, "yay, slightly cooler temps in the forecast"
[programming]|21:07 vimes says, "so if you're targeting windows, enjoy!"
[programming]|21:08 boucher says, "C# and Perl are my two darlings at present.  I've messed with Python and had a few romantic flings with it, but I came back to Perl for some reason."
[golf]|21:09 jenrexrode says, "eaglable holes"
[programming]|21:09 borowski says, "I probably use linux and windows equally as much."
[programming]|21:10 vimes says, "perl has the advantage of being both easy to use and well-supported to use on windows"
[programming]|21:10 vimes says, "in ways that python and ruby haven't really been"
[programming]|21:10 borowski says, "The only other languages I've used are C and C++, and I've really liked how much more intuitive python feels."
[programming]|21:12 boucher says, "Yeah, I have plenty of experience with C, C++, various assembly languages, Lua, VB, PHP, maybe a few others...but they're not my first choices when I do things anymore."
[programming]|21:12 borowski says, "Yeah, a couple of years ago a wrote a python program for somebody to run on Windows.  It was sort of a pain making things work the same as they had been on my linux computer."
[programming]|21:13 boucher says, "I hated Python at first.  I think it was an early version of Python, and it lacked several things I fundamentally needed.  I think one of them was something really basic, like dynamic arrays.  I don't recall any longer"
[programming]|21:14 BrenBarn asks, "perl is better-supported on windows that python?  huh?"
[programming]|21:15 vimes says (to BrenBarn), "every time i try to use anything but base python on windows, dependency hell rears its head.  every time i try to use a bunch of perl modules on windows, i almost don't remember i'm on windows."
[programming]|21:15 borowski says, "I started using python a couple of years ago, and I was impressed by the built in arrays and dictionary data types."
[programming]|21:15 BrenBarn says, "hmmm, I can't recall having problems installing libs in python"
[programming]|21:16 vimes says, "you, sir, are lucky"
[programming]|21:16 boucher says, "Then I came back, and once again, was outraged by the seemingly arbitrary fact that you can't do re.split('\b')"
[programming]|21:16 vimes says, "mysql is particularly unpleasant"
[programming]|21:16 BrenBarn says, "I mean, yes, sometimes you have to install a couple things to get it to work"
[programming]|21:16 boucher says, "(This is a 'known issue' which the creator refuses to address for backwards compatibility reasons)"
[programming]|21:16 BrenBarn says, "it's addressed in a new regex module that you can use"
[programming]|21:17 vimes says, "it is not actually possible (as of a year ago, anyway) to compile the most recent mysql python libs on windows, and the version that can be compiled is buggy, and the version that is available as a binary package is even mroe buggy"
[programming]|21:17 boucher says, "Aha, it's been a while since I revisited Python...so that's cool"
[programming]|21:17 BrenBarn says, "oh, I have no idea about trying to compile stuff for python"
[programming]|21:17 BrenBarn says, "but everything I need has windows installers"
[programming]|21:17 vimes says, "(in part because the python mysql drivers are crap no matter what platform you're on, because the python db interaction standards (in 2.x, anyway) are crap"
[programming]|21:18 boucher says, "Anyhow, I did eventually return to Python, and finally had a task for which I was suited, and learned to love it.  Especially list comprehensions and such."
[programming]|21:18 boucher says, "For which *it* was suited..."
[programming]|21:18 vimes says, "perl's DBI system is pretty nice even on its own, and by comparison to python's db handling, it's heavenly"
[programming]|21:18 vimes says, "don't get me wrong, i love python"
[programming]|21:18 vimes says, "just not on windows"
[programming]|21:19 boucher says, "Anyhow, afk a bit"
[programming]|21:19 BrenBarn says, " http://pypi.python.org/pypi/regex is the new regex module"
[programming]|21:19 BrenBarn says, "for now you have to install it to use it, but it's just a regular module and you just do 'import regex as re' instead of 'import re'"
[programming]|21:20 BrenBarn says, "Python has a lot of cool libs for fiddling with data"
[programming]|21:20 BrenBarn says, "the main thing that annoys me about Python is that people still want C to exist"
[programming]|21:21 borowski asks, "What do you mean?"
[programming]|21:22 BrenBarn says, "well, because it's apparently pretty easy to interface with C libs and stuff in Python, there are various changes that won't be made to Python for speed reasons, or libs that cop out to C behavior or have annoying C-like interfaces, etc."
[programming]|21:23 borowski says, "Ah."
[programming]|21:23 vimes says, "that's one of python's awesome features"
[programming]|21:23 vimes says, "(as far as i'm concerned)"
[programming]|21:23 BrenBarn says, "yeah, but I never want to use or think about C ever"
[programming]|21:24 vimes says, "enjoy your new job as a farmer"
[lounge]|21:24 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|21:24 Ellison says, "re"
[lounge]|21:34 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[programming]|21:38 borowski says, "Huh, apparently inky wrote a mudclient in python."
[programming]|21:38 BrenBarn says, "yeah"
[bacon]|21:38 jenrexrode says, "wow, even stubbs is getting a taste"
[lounge]|21:38 boucher goes home.
[programming]|21:39 Ellison says, "huh"
[programming]|21:40 borowski says, "I googled 'python mud client' and I says, 'Hey, I know that guy.'"
[books]|21:47 K-Y says, "feh, 90s book covers"
[books]|21:48 K-Y says, "this would be a nice design if not for the JPEG compression artifacts and the bad Photoshop magic wand algorithms"
[greece]|21:48 Allen | The vote Sunday went smoothly except for one incident in which 10 men attacked a polling station in Athens with sledgehammers and wooden bats, wounding two policemen and setting fire to the ballot box.
[programming]|21:53 vaporware asks (of boucher), "You're writing an ifMUD client in C?"
[programming]|21:53 vaporware says, "er, C#"
[programming]|21:55 vaporware says, "I had some ideas relating to that (see ridiculous lounge object), where the big picture was there'd be a class that manages a connection and presents a semantic-ish event interface, such that it could be easily used for bots separate from the client."
[programming]|21:57 BrenBarn says, "that'd be cool"
[cooking]|21:59 jenrexrode says, "lemons: squeezed"
[cooking]|22:01 Allen says, "lemon squeezing music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecwW2fX1Yew "
[cooking]|22:02 jenrexrode says, "cool"
[cooking]|22:03 Allen | 0:54-0:57 it sounds like he's saying iv'e got women in? facebook
[cooking]|22:05 jenrexrode asks, "bigfoot?"
[cooking]|22:05 Alex says (to jenrexrode), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that bigfoot is a creature who makes out with Elvis."
[lounge]|22:05 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[lounge]|22:08 inky is pretty sleuthy for a music teacher.
[lounge]|22:08 inky says, "re-me"
[cooking]|22:09 Allen says, "inspired, I poured two cans of sparkling water into a glass and squeezed two limes into it."
[lounge]|22:10 Ellison says, "good evening, inky"
[guitar-talk]|22:16 Allen says, "pieces like this make me want to learn guitar (also, the left hand work transfers to viol): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfVZRevRKv8 "
[lounge]|22:24 jenrexrode wanders off.
[lounge]|22:34 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[cooking]|22:34 jenrexrode says, "yum"
[lounge]|22:37 Rob comes right on in.
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Current time: Sunday, 17 Jun 2012, 10:37:24 PM EDT
There is one new message on #ifmud/mudmeets/mudmeets.
Rob says, "blrtn"
Hugo says, "I think if you were to take all of Rob's greetings, compile and collate them, you'd end up with..."
Hugo says, "...35% of the letters in the alphabet."
Rob says, "there is a pattern generator in my head, or in my fingers"
Hugo says, "I believe it is suspiciously revealing."
Hugo says, "I am going to spend some time on this."
Rob says, "sometimes I think of the gibberish as I'm opening the client app, premeditatively"
Rob says, "sometimes I erase a few characters and type better ones on the fly"
Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
Ellison has disconnected.
Rob says, "I figure somehow these greetings are an identifying stamp, because a fake Rob who was trying to take my place wouldn't get it quite right"
Rob says, "I can't quite picture the scenario where this would come into play"
Rob says, "'wait a minute, we've just run the analytics again, and there's only a 35% match! this guy's a phony!'"
Rob says, "wait, I just subliminally used 35% because Hugo said 35%"
Rob says, "weird"
Rob says, "this is like that mind/brain control stuff from Dinner with Schmucks"
[guitar-talk] borowski says, "Learning guitar is always a good idea."
</Firion> It's a sad thing that your adventures have ended here!!
No quotations available.
#83 [ifmud/mudmeets/mudmeets]      From: olethros      Date: 17-Jun-12 13:39
Subject: possible swiss meet
http://www.doodle.com/8behmftn6m5mh7th
<mwmiller> mwmiller has connected to ifMUD.
mwmiller, in the space of one anecdote, had become the sort of person who kept a microscope in his dorm room and decorated the walls with fungal family trees he drew himself. (He also plays the banjo.)
[golf] * borowski has joined the channel.
[DrawSomething] jenrexrode says, "aw, I was gonna type a replyto Jota, and my window covered up what he said."
jenrexrode says, "hi rob"
Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
</Fang> Conclusion: My conclusion is large apples.
K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
K-Y says, "re"
[DrawSomething] jenrexrode says, "argh, got a call while drawing - don't know what will happen"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "I had one time out on me and not reappear again"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "though it was one I was trying to guess, not one I was drawing"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "fortunately I saved a copy of it while I was puzzling over it"
Rob says, "yar"
[DrawSomething] jenrexrode says, "whew"
[DrawSomething] jenrexrode says, "went right back"
[holidays] DavidW says, "sigh. Finally sent a 'Happy Father's Day' email to my dad."
[holidays] DavidW says, "I never know what to say, and just delaying makes it worse."
[Windows] K-Y says, "oh, sweet"
[Windows] K-Y says, "Windows resolved a network problem all by itself"
[holidays] Rob says, "just saying 'happy fathers day' is usually all right"
[holidays] DavidW asks, "yeah, but at 11pm?"
K-Y says, "restart"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "time for a much delayed shower, and then dinner, I think."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "or, wait. I have bath salts and bath foam now. I think a bath, rather than a shower is in order."
[DustWorld] genericgeekgirl says, "Ooh."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "(and then clean the bathroom, since it's that time of the week again, joy joy.)"
[DustWorld] borowski says, "I think my least favorite part about the house I live in is the lack of a bath."
K-Y has disconnected.
K-Y has connected.
[DustWorld] DavidW asks, "I normally have little patience for a bath. But the salts and foam demand to be used. I suppose it would be stupid to use both at the same time?"
[DustWorld] genericgeekgirl says, "I dunno. I have no idea how these things work."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "The salt is mandarin-orange and made with Dead Sea sea salt (plus other things). The foam is citrus sage made with a list of horrifying but natural ingredients."
[DustWorld] borowski says, "The best thing about salt is that it protects against pruniness."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "oh, and made in Germany."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "well, I think I want to go with the foam first. It was here first."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "back in a few"
[programming] inky asks, "is hugo here now?"
[programming] inky | http://www.textfromxcode.com/
<Hosni> able was I ere I saw elba
Rob #5611P Owner: Rob Home: #5612 jumpok visible spy male expert builder
Created: Unknown
Gags: Markov Matthew (#WWIII #bush-suxd) /
@connect: yeah yeah like you've never licked a turtle, Aleatory Zoon Heep Funkhouser
address: jrw@jrwdigitalmedia.com
alignment: Lawful Good
autocmd: @newchannel | beam | @recap * -tag time | time
away: I'm lurking. You must deal with this as best you can until I return.
bbnotify: always
charset: iso-8859-1
connect: So you're like, "Wow, this book comes with an onion!"
disconnect: Find release from your cares. have a good time.
doing: so how long did it take you to notice?
eat: You try to bite Rob.
email: No, it's 'address', silly.
exitmode: 2
game: Four in One, Being Andrew Plotkin, The Tale of the Kissing Bandit, Centipede, First Things First, Colours, ASCII and the Argonauts. (Also parts of Coke Is It!, The Corn Identity, and Narcolepsy.) And now also The 12:54 to Asgard.
homemsg: Rob heads right on out.
httpRows: 40
lastchan: 1121309051
maxrecap: 2000
mutetime: 35
oeat: tries to eat Rob! That's just not right.
ohome: moseys right on out.
ohomemsg: moseys right on out.
old_doing: I am worth exactly $2,523,656.00
olddesc: Rob is a tall, thin guy wearing jeans, sneakers, a blue shirt with a button collar, a solid color flannel shirt on top of the other one, glasses, and a blue hat.
oldohome: grabs his backpack and walks out into the fresh air.
oldohomemsg: grabs his backpack and walks out into the fresh air.
olounge: comes right on in.
options: autopoll smartresolve  pastenotrim unpluralize fullsignmsg nomutetimeout  recaprepeat  urlfix quoteunpaged    recapconv
plan: Aspire to be the best I can conceive / then lay my burden down and take my leave.
recapamount: 90
rname: Rob Wheeler
saymode: 3
smell: Rob smells like coffee and danishes.
snacktime: 0
starlimit: all
stats: STR:11  INT:17  WIS:15  DEX:16  CON:10  CHR:11
url: raddial.com, jrwdigitalmedia.com, thekroneexperiment.com. Twitter: robmumble. YouTube: jrwdigitalmedia. Also on Facebook, LinkedIn.
whomode: +byidle
Location: #14 (Adventurer's Lounge)
Rob is a tall young man with a scholarly bearing, dressed in slacks, a collared shirt, and a dark green blazer. A brimmed hat completes the ensemble.
Carrying: blahblah;bb #1460, sketchbook #1645, ballpoint pen;pen;bp;bp #1688, bonus #16363, note;finder;little note;ln;n #5614, Rob greets Jota; rgj;RgJ #16273, evergreen tree with baubles on it;tree;christmas tree;et;;etwboi #16359
[programming] (from Rob) Hugo here now!
Invalid range format: "foofaraw"
dd #6475E Owner: Rob Home: #0
Created: Unknown
success: @tellroom(@location("%#"),"-1",@getfield("1460","success") )
Location: #1460 (blahblah;bb)
Destination: nowhere
You see nothing special.
blahblah;bb #1460 Owner: Rob Home: #5612 expert
Created: Unknown
success: <Hosni> able was I ere I saw elba
Location: #5611 (Rob)
Secret @emit broadcast device.
Contents: blurt *; bl * #6450, dd #6475, beam #1949
fufurow
blahblah;bb #1460 Owner: Rob Home: #5612 expert
Created: Unknown
success: <Hosni> able was I ere I saw elba
Location: #5611 (Rob)
Secret @emit broadcast device.
Contents: blurt *; bl * #6450, dd #6475, beam #1949
Success set.
frlgjrlg
Rob says, "uh sorry about that"
inky says, "hee hee"
Rob says, "apparently it's been so long that I used my secret @tellroom device that I forgot the syntax of usin git"
Rob says, "I confusingly gave it the command initials 'bb', but I wrote it before the MUD had bb_commands"
Rob says, "this was apparently short for 'blahblah' which wizards may examine at their curious leisure"
[programming] Rob says, "'what is it with you and NSStream' is funny"
[krone] Rob says, "I'm reading the krone sequel ebook for the first time in its beta form"
[krone] Rob says, "it's pretty good"
[krone] Rob says, "it's kind of a fathers day gesture to be reading this"
[krone] Rob says, "also I'm supposed to design the cover art so I have to read it, but starting to read it on fathers day is a thing"
[krone] Rob says, "anyone else randomly interested in beta-reading a pdf of this novel? possibly I could squeeze my dad into letting some other readers read it and mention typos and bring up questions"
[programming] vaporware says, "nice"
[krone] Rob says, "ifMUD being my main source of people who read a lot"
K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
K-Y has disconnected.
[programming] Hugo says, "Hugo here now."
[programming] Hugo says, "I was just having a conversation with Xcod -- oh, wait, look at that."
[krone] inky says, "hmm yeah I could be down for that"
[krone] Rob says, "hmm ok I'll see about it"
[krone] Rob asks, "he's pretty close and somewhat antsy about wanting to release it, can you chow through it in a week?"
[krone] inky asks, "I dunno, how long is it?"
[krone] Rob says, "the pdf seems to be 199 pages, the head and tail of which are various cruft"
[krone] inky says, "yeah, I think I can commit to that, although I'll probably be finishing it up next weekend, so it'll really be a week"
[krone] Rob says, "ok I think his actual plan is to publish it on smashwords on july 1 so that's probably doable"
[krone] Rob says, "ok I'll email him tonight and he'll email me back in the morning then I'll email you again tomorrow sometime"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "geez, almost broke a toe trying to leave the tub"
[DustWorld] jenrexrode says, "ow"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Even though I was holding onto the side handles, the foam made me all slippery. and I fell sliding feet towards the faucet end. Fortunately, my body was still mostly in the water, so I didn't fall far."
[DustWorld] genericgeekgirl says, "Aw."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Also, just how many dead skin cells were clinging onto my body? Gross."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "that was a fast bath"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "yeah, I guess. Perhaps i should take another bath later tonight."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "well now you can bask in the glory of your rejuvenated bath-salted skin"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I used the foam, not the salts."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "oh ok"
StephenW builds the Lounge an airport and a freeway, but he, he, he ain't gonna play Sim City.
StephenW asks, "I have the itch to play an RPG/roguelike game in which there are randomly generated villages rather than (or in addition to) dungeons.  Does such a game exist?"
DavidW says, "There must be, but I haven't played Rogue since the 80s."
StephenW says, "Oh, also, I'm hoping for something with graphics rather than ASCII art."
borowski says, "I remember zangband having villages but and I don't know if they're random."
borowski says, "-and"
K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
Rob says, "hm, randomly generated villages"
Rob says, "I'm remembering the villages and castles from Ultima (1)"
Rob says, "the thing you have to do if it doesn't exist is create it yourself so that it does exist"
inky says, "yah, of course"
inky says, "there's that crazy finnish survivalist one"
Rob says, "and then in an interview with a gaming blog years later you say 'well I just wanted to play something like this, and realized it didn't exist, so I had to do it'"
inky says, " http://www.jmp.fi/~smaarane/urw.html "
Rob says, "gee I miss Dilbon"
Rob says, "I wonder what that fellow's up to these days"
inky says, "it's one of those games where you spend all your time tanning hides and trying to build a shelter"
StephenW says, "Actually, I am working on such a game... but it's a long, slow process."
Rob says, "ha ha tanning hides"
Rob says, "what kind of game is that"
Rob says, "also funny that there's enough of these that it's 'one of those'"
Rob says (to SW), "well hey good"
Allen says, "tanning hides ought to have UV lights inside, so you can tan while hiking in the overcast mountains"
Rob says (to Allen), "ha ha what"
[politics] DorianX | "What she said was offensive," said Rep. Mike Callton, R-Nashville. "It was so offensive, I don't even want to say it in front of women. I would not say that in mixed company."
[movie] Allen | All the Best Scenes in Girls Happen in the Bathroom
[politics] DorianX says, "Re: a female representative using the word "vagina""
[movie] Allen says, "oh, Girls"
Quote added to Allen's quotebook.
[movie] Allen says, "I didn't see"
StephenW says, "Oh yes, I've seen that one Inky.  Are there any NPC's?  I seem to remember it being sort of 1 man against the world."
inky says, "well there are NPCs but I think they just try to stab you"
[movie] Rob says, "hm"
[movie] Allen says, "I misread. I thought it said 'All the Best Scenes Happen in Girls Bathrooms', thinking they meant every movie"
inky says, "swimming after you if necessary"
[movie] inky says, "ha ha"
Rob asks, "are there RPGs that aren't 1 man against the world?"
[movie] Rob says, "yay"
StephenW says, "ha"
[movie] Rob says, "I watched a few episodes of Girls then got bored"
[movie] Allen says, "oh it's a tv show"
Jon says (to Rob), "Earthbound."
[movie] Rob says, "though I'm amazed at/ envious of lena whatsername getting a tv show of her own to write and direct and produce at 23"
[movie] Rob says, "man, I wonder what Rob show I would have done at 23 if I'd gotten that opportunity"
[movie] Rob says, "maybe I'll get a Rob 49 opportunity to do it and figure it out"
[movie] jenrexrode asks (of Rob), "uh, seven?"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I wonder what I should do for dinner. I suppose I really ought to cook at least either potatoes or asparagus, not that I'm in the mood for either."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "do you put clothes on to cook or do you balls it out"
[movie] K-Y says, "imagine the pressure on people who *are* 23"
[movie] mwmiller asks, "Lena Soderberg?"
[movie] Rob says, "it is likely that I would have cracked and gotten ruined if that had happened to me then"
[movie] K-Y says, "other people"
[movie] Rob asks, "who's that? stephen soderberg's wife?"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I usually at least put something on or around my nether bits, if only so i won't be sitting bareassed directly on the dining room chair."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "I went to the austin version of burning man four years ago"
[movie] mwmiller says, "Hahaha!  No."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "and there was a lot of nekkidity about"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "and there was one camp that was running a barbecue pit, and the head chef was a naked guy"
[DustWorld] genericgeekgirl asks, "Was there less sand?"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Does this story end with pubes in the food, 'cause, if so, ick."
[DustWorld] jenrexrode says, "I don't know that that Austin burning man is, but I bet my cousin was involved."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "but this seemed kind of unsanitary to me, because he was sweating profusely as he cut chunks of meat, and one person in my camp got sick after eating that bbq"
[DustWorld] genericgeekgirl says, "I would totally (probably) go to Burning Man, but god, I hate sand. So much. I won't even go to the beach."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "it's called... uh... flipside"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "I don't have much of any interest in going ever again"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "I was dating this woman at the time who was all into it so I went"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "part of her crew was running the local pirate radio station serving the whole deal, so that was interesting"
[politics] DorianX | http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/vagina-monologues-blogger-asks-rep-st
[DustWorld] Rob says, "also I set up a tent for the first time in my life"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "there was a little awkwardness because I ran into a girl who was a waitress at magnolia cafe, and neither of us could figure out how to relate to the other out of that context"
[obits] Allen says, "huh, Rodney King"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "especially a context with a lot of freewheelin' looseness going on"
[DustWorld] borowski asks, "Get naked?"
[obits] Rob says, "I moved to LA a year after that stuff with rodney king had happened"
[DustWorld] borowski says, "That usually helps break the ice."
[obits] Rob says, "there were scars in the town from the riots that hadn't healed yet"
[obits] Allen says, "the man who inspired the hit Hank Williams Jr song, "Why can't we all just get a long neck""
[dinner] Jon says, "I have no idea what I want to eat, except that I don't want to go out of the house for it."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "yeah instead it made it weird"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I like nakedness."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "yeah me too"
[dinner] Allen says, "stick of butter, and a stack of saltines!"
[dinner] Jon says, "and if we're going by 'stuff in the cupboard/freezer', it's either pizza or mac and cheese"
[dinner] Jon says, "neither of which is problematic except I had them yesterday, and the day before yesterday."
borowski says, "crb"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "the fire marshall for flipside, whose job it was to keep a watchful regulatory eye on things, was a nudist who drove around naked in a golf cart, looking kind of like a pudgy unclothed santa claus"
borowski's corporeal form was TP'ed while he was astral projecting.
borowski has disconnected.
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "hm. Reminds me of a time I went to a gay nudists' gathering in Toronto, and the most awkward part of the entire evening was afterwards in the elevator going down, with everyone fully dressed."
[dinner] StephenW asks, "delivery?"
[dinner] Jon says, "always a possibility, but then we go back to the original question"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "ha ha, suddenly everyone's eyes are downcast"
[dinner] Jon says, "delivery of what"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "well, kinda, yeah"
[dinner] Jon says, "hm, maybe i can get delivery from the nearby persian place"
[obits] Allen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ-5qYmdyWk
[dinner] Jon says, "nope. they're just closed."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Anyway, I guess if I ever cook for anyone other than myself, I should put clothes on, including a shirt. I assume that's the moral of the Flipside story."
Recapping 25 of 25 lines from media/comics/qman:
[qman]/001 Rob says, "ok, so does the MUD get a free PDF sneak preview copy of the QMAN ANNUAL #1 which is to be serialized starting July 1st"
[qman]/002 Rob says, "I need to see a show of hands"
[qman]/003 inky says, "we're the sneakiest!"
[qman]/004 Allen asks, "how many variant covers you gonna have?"
[qman]/005 K-Y says, "ooh"
[qman]/006 Rob says (to Allen), "I actually have 2!"
[qman]/007 Rob says, "or maybe 3"
[qman]/008 Rob says, "the print final version is #11"
[qman]/009 Rob says, "oh wait, that means I can put an alternate cover out first"
[qman]/010 Rob says, "I still haven't seen any hands go up"
[qman]/011 Ellison raises hand
[qman]/012 Rob says, "this offer won't last forever !"
[qman]/013 inky says, "ooh ooh me me"
[qman]/014 Rob says, "one hand! one hand is bid"
[qman]/015 Rob says, "two hands !!"
[qman]/016 Rob says, "we need at least three"
[qman]/017 K-Y says, ">HAND HAND HANDS"
[qman]/018 inky says, "the ladies say I am all hands"
[qman]/019 Rob says, "the gentleman in the corner bids three hands"
[qman]/020 inky says, "also one time someone gave me a hand"
[qman]/021 Rob says, "that's five hands, a full house"
[qman]/022 Rob says, "ok well I have to make a pdf at the other computer not the one I'm chatting on right now"
[qman]/023 Rob says, "perhaps it will appear at midnight tonight"
[qman]/024 Rob says, "<thunderclap> central standard time </thunderclap>"
[qman]/025 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Rob has posted message 17, about 'QMan Annual #01 Promo', to the bulletin board! Behold! The Power! Of Greyskull!"
Recapped 25 of 25 lines from media/comics/qman.
[DustWorld] Rob says, "yeah"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "okay"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "also so hot oil doesn't burn your bits"
   # From         Date            Subject
   1 Jon          19-Jun-00 14:22 Conversation styles
   2 lno          28-Dec-00 21:33 Help wanted
   3 lno          28-Dec-00 21:42 Addendum
   4 DorianX      25-Mar-01 04:36 Feedback
   5 Recchi       13-Apr-01 19:26 Actors Needed
   6 Bishop       17-Apr-02 21:39 Help me fine-tune, please...
   7 two-star     12-Oct-02 21:56 alpha testers wanted
   8 Emily        20-Jan-03 19:44 Advertise your WIP!
   9 rjbs         20-Jan-03 22:04 Mars, in progress
  10 Hugo         19-Sep-03 17:30 Betatesters
  11 DorianX      06-Aug-05 14:12 Testers Wanted
  12 DorianX      08-Jul-06 03:32 More Testers Wanted
  13 Recchi       07-May-07 18:03 Alpha tester needed
  14 markm        18-Sep-08 11:38 Eric Lindstrom's talk from AGDC08
  15 Rob          15-Sep-10 23:13 Beta test for Rob's comp game
  16 Rob          17-Jun-12 00:30 WIP Beta 01
Recapping 5 of 5 lines from if/theory/WIP:
[WIP]/001 Rob says, "I shall also release... Beta Version 01 of whatever-this-game-is-I'm-working-on !!  Ah AH AH ah!"
[WIP]/002 Ellison says, "right on"
[WIP]/003 Rob says, "then I can flake off for a few days on the notion that I'm waiting for tester feedback to do anything"
[WIP]/004 Ellison says, "good plan"
[WIP]/005 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Rob has posted message 16, about 'WIP Beta 01', to the bulletin board! When is a jar not a jar?"
Recapped 5 of 5 lines from if/theory/WIP.
Rob says, "ok, time to go do some stuff"
[dinner] Allen says, "probably shutdown by Stuxnet"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "hm, yes, I heard about that advice quite a long time ago."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "A theatre friend (female) told me never to cook bacon in the nude."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "there's feelin' comfy, and then there's hygiene and sanitation, and one trumps the other"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "that's good advice"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "it's a sexy idea of some female learning this advice the hard way"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "mmhm"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "to me, anyway"
borowski is now in glorious EXTRA COLOR!
Rob says, "ooohhh the colors"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "no, I think that's the way she meant it."
[urls] Allen says, "Tiny Hats aren't just a new thing!"
[urls] Allen | http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/write_light/11965346/429991/original.jpg
Rob says, "ok gnight MUD for a while"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.