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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> So you're like, "Wow, this book comes with an onion!"
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday TShatrov!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, his pants, Anything Finder, a banana
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, Dave, jpt, vimes, baf, DorianX, Psmith, Jon, lpsmith, Richie, Doug, annabianca, Bishop, Allen, Jacqueline, marc, GDorn, Grocible, Jearl, Whizzard, maga, Ryan, McMartin, zaphod, Fang, boucher, Marktwo, Jota, genericgeekgirl, inky, Roger, ghira, Hugo, DavidW, josh_g, two-star, Gunther, Ellison
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 3750 lines from recent channels:
[shopping]/09:19 Gunther says, "also turtles &c getting stuck in can holders"
[lounge]|09:23 Oren holekh ha'bayta.
[lounge]|09:23 * Oren has disconnected.
[lounge]|09:25 Yuri takes the elevator up the magic bird perch.
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:28 Richie asks (of Hjalfi), "what's your answerphone message?"
[DustWorld]|09:39 DavidW says, "hm. I think I heard roommate leave."
[lounge]|09:39 Jizaboz asks, "Anyone else going to go see Prometheus this weekend?"
[DustWorld]|09:40 DavidW says, "yay, he's gone. And road work on our road is making the kitchen smell like tar."
[DustWorld]|09:42 DavidW says, "I still want breakfast though. Or maybe I'll skip breakfast and go straight to lunch."
[programming]|09:47 Fang asks, "how does C handle floating point -> integer coercion, again?"
[programming]|09:47 Fang asks, "does it round? Truncate?"
[DustWorld]|09:49 Gunther says, "or brunch!"
[DustWorld]|09:50 DavidW says, "I'll probably have to be soup and salad; I don't have much to work with today."
[DustWorld]|09:51 DavidW says, "er It'll"
[DustWorld]|09:52 DavidW says, "Although it wouldn't kill me to make a bowl of pasta at the same time."
[lounge]|09:52 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|09:52 Jota greets.
[lounge]|09:53 marc says, "hey jota"
[lounge]|09:58 Gunther says, "re-Jota"
[lounge]|09:58 Gunther says (to Jizaboz), "I would IF IT DIDN'T ONLY COME OUT HERE IN AUGUST"
[lounge]|09:59 Gunther says, "if only the Allies had forced English as the new default language here we would not have to deal with this shit"
[programming]|10:00 Hjalfi says, "Truncation, yes. The fractional part is discarded."
[programming]|10:00 Hjalfi says, "I think this is round-to-zero."
[programming]|10:00 Hjalfi says, "ceil is round-to-positive, floor is round-to-negative."
[software]|10:01 Gunther asks, "hmm, is there some unified solution for the various cloud storage providers yet?"
[software]|10:02 Gunther says, "i.e. a single app that will sync dropbox, box.net, drive, ..."
[software]|10:02 Gunther says, "...apparently!"
[software]|10:03 Gunther says, "...with completely ridiculous plans!"
[software]|10:04 Gunther says, "...and using the second worst protocol on the planet. Probably in the galaxy."
[lounge]|10:04 Jizaboz says (to Gunther), "Haha"
[software]|10:04 Gunther says, "actually, I'm being unfair to Bluetooth, it sucks ass but at least it works most of the time. WebDAV is the worst."
[lounge]|10:05 Jizaboz says, "That sucks it takes 2 more months"
[DustWorld]|10:07 DavidW says, "Found a can of creamed corn; I'll start with that (with cayenne pepper and garlic salt added to give it a fit more flavour)."
[Crafters]|10:10 Bishop exclaims, "Yay! Wrote a pattern for the forst round of the 'T' block, and it actually makes sense!"
[tangent]|10:12 marc says (to jota), "this site looks fun"
[tangent]|10:12 Jota says, "Indeed."
[tangent]|10:13 Jota says, "(Although I had to stop looking at the chess puzzle before solving it because the boss walked by.)"
[tangent]|10:13 marc says, "heh"
[twitter]|10:18 Gunther | #ThingsWeSayWhileGettinArrested Officer: "anything you say or do can and will be held against you" Me: "JARED LETO!"
[twitter]|10:18 Gunther says, "I *hope* they mean they want Jared Leto held against them"
[apropos-of-nothing]|10:23 marc asks, "anyone using prismatic?"
[MacOS]|10:27 marc says, "one problem with tiling terminals and emacs frames: they don't really align nicely -- both resize in steps"
[videogames]|10:30 Gunther | Pilot Your Own Steampunk Airship in Guns of Icarus Online
[videogames]|10:30 Gunther says, "you had me until the word "online""
[videogames]|10:31 Gunther says, "also until I watched this awful video"
[gmail]|10:35 marc says, "hooray, yet another 500 error"
[gmail]|10:35 marc says, "i think this makes three in the past couple of months"
[gmail]|10:38 Gunther says, "well stop trying to access it via a Clojure proxied tool written in CoffeeScript"
[gmail]|10:38 marc says, "actually, this was using k) expressions in q over the network"
[gmail]|10:38 marc says, "DURRRR"
[lounge]|10:38 genericgeekgirl goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[lounge]|10:40 genericgeekgirl enters, then jumps up, wrapping her arms and legs around you and shouting, "Daddy! Daddy!"
[Floyd]|10:40 genericgeekgirl says, "Floyd doesn't seem to have an /undo command under sleepmask anymore."
[lounge]|10:41 Jizaboz exclaims, "I don't want to be a daddy!"
[lounge]|10:41 genericgeekgirl blinks, recaps. Oh.
[lounge]|10:41 Jizaboz says, "Heh."
[grumble]|10:43 Jota says, "It's annoying when abbreviations get passed around such that no one actually ends up knowing what it stood for."
[grumble]|10:44 Jota says, "(I know what a FdlrNumber *is*, but I have no idea how the letters 'Fdlr' are actually supposed to in any way indicate this.)"
[grumble]|10:46 Gunther says, "you should see the awesome API for this software I had to use"
[grumble]|10:46 Gunther says, "Documents are called 'Sords'. This is never explained."
[headlines]|10:47 Jota | The Last Diet You Will Ever Need
[headlines]|10:48 Jota says, "I am really, really disappointed this didn't turn out to be the Hemlock And Cyanide Diet."
[headlines]|10:50 Gunther says, "hemlock has crazy calories yo"
[headlines]|10:51 Hjalfi says, "It has more calories THAN YOU CAN HANDLE."
[headlines]|10:52 Gunther asks, "did you know the Hemlock family comprises coriander, fennel, parsley et al?"
[headlines]|10:52 Gunther says, "also carrots and caraway"
[headlines]|10:52 Hjalfi says, "I shall never eat those nasty little dried out parsley garnishes you get on cheap sandwiches again."
[lounge]|10:53 marc says, "hey ggg"
[headlines]|10:53 Gunther says, "and celery and dill"
[neologisms]|10:57 Gunther says, "most neologisms are annoying but "roflstomp" and "*lord" never fail to amuse me ("nooblord" in this case)"
[food]|10:58 Hjalfi has discovered quark soft cheese.
[food]|10:58 Hjalfi says, "Hey, look, it's not a brand name. Huh."
[food]|10:59 Hjalfi says, "Traditional german soft cheese. 0.25% fat, which is very scary."
[neologisms]|11:00 Jota asks, "What *is* 'roflstomp', anyway?"
[neologisms]|11:00 Gunther says, ""stomp all over while rolling on the floor laughing""
[neologisms]|11:00 Gunther says, "symbolically presumably"
[neologisms]|11:01 Gunther says, "(as in, dominate a, or someone at a, videogame in a hilariously overpowered manner)"
[lounge]|11:04 Richie says (to Jizaboz), "I went on Sunday..."
[lounge]|11:05 Richie says, "I enjoyed it, but the more I think about it the worse a movie I think it is."
[neologisms]|11:06 Jota says, "Aha."
[lounge]|11:08 marc asks (of richie), "prometheus?"
[lounge]|11:09 Richie says (to marc), "Yeah"
[grumble]|11:09 Jota says, "Oh, wait, it's an FdrlNumber, not an FdlrNumber.."
[grumble]|11:09 Jota says, "This makes exactly as much sense as before."
[board-games]|11:14 markm says (to Gunther), "gah, I thought it was a closer game than that"
[lounge]|11:15 Dave says, "morning"
[board-games]|11:15 Gunther says, "I got 9 on the last turn"
[board-games]|11:15 Gunther says, "total luck"
[board-games]|11:17 markm says, "Time for me to engage in a little luckromancy then."
[lounge]|11:18 markm says (to Richie), "I thought it was the kind of film that you just want to turn your brain off for and enjoy the ride."
[lounge]|11:19 Richie says (to markm), "Yup. I just wasn't able to keep my brain switched off after I left the cinema. :)"
[lounge]|11:19 markm says, "Poor bastard."
[lounge]|11:20 marc says, "hee"
[lounge]|11:20 markm asks, "also, hey, hero academy?"
[lounge]|11:20 Richie says, "Sorry!"
[lounge]|11:21 markm says, "no worries - I'm just hoping it doesn't time out on you"
[programming]|11:22 Hjalfi says, "Apparently Visual Studio 2012 will have not just a totally grey interface, but all the menus will be in capital letters as well."
[programming]|11:22 Hjalfi says, "You can't make it up."
[programming]|11:22 Hjalfi | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/06/05/a-design-with-all-caps.aspx
[lounge]|11:24 ghira goes home.
[lounge]|11:24 * ghira has disconnected.
[programming]|11:25 Gunther says, "I DONT EVEN"
[programming]|11:26 Hjalfi says, "Their example of the new interface looks like the kind of hideous crapware that comes as a free download from web popups advertising antivirus software."
[programming]|11:28 Gunther says, "it looks like Windows 3.1 but uppercase"
[programming]|11:32 marc says, "i gather this is some sort of "webification" of the ui"
[programming]|11:32 marc says, "in the interests of fairness: VS looked like turkey before too"
[lounge]|11:33 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|11:33 ghira says, "meep"
[programming]|11:33 Hjalfi says, "True, but now it looks like turkey that's been left in the fridge too long and which is starting to go fizzy."
[lounge]|11:34 Gunther says, "peehm"
[programming]|11:34 marc says, "ha ha"
[programming]|11:34 marc says, "indeed"
[programming]|11:35 Jota says, "And if you're going to look like crap, at least stick to the crap people are used to and have forgotten to complain about, rather than making them learn whole new crap."
[programming]|11:36 Gunther says, "wait, what? https://www.onx.ms/#!landingPage "
[programming]|11:37 Gunther | on{X} lets you control and extend the capabilities of your Android phone using a JavaScript API to remotely program it.
[programming]|11:37 Gunther says, "and yes, .ms is for microsoft"
[programming]|11:37 Gunther says, "I guess they have given up on Windows Phone"
[programming]|11:37 Gunther | Before you start coding, download the on{X} app on your Android phone and log in with your Facebook email and password.
[programming]|11:37 Gunther says, "Fail."
[programming]|11:39 Hjalfi asks, "Mmm. How can a product that combines allowing a third-party website to run arbitrary code on your phone, Javascript, Facebook and a sleazy for-hire cc domain *possibly* go wrong?"
[programming]|11:40 Gunther says, "you forgot it's by MS"
[programming]|11:40 Hjalfi says, "No sense in kicking them when they're already down."
[DustWorld]|11:41 DavidW says, "afk"
[lounge]|11:44 ghira goes home.
[lounge]|11:44 * ghira has disconnected.
[Jotacabana]|11:45 Jota asks, "So if I want to get a new computer some day, and I don't want Windows 8, how long do I probably have left?"
[movie]|11:46 boucher says, "I can't quite be sure about the order in which he took the roles, but it looks as if the movie Jim Caviezel acted in, after The Passion of the Christ , was 'Bobby Jones: Stroke of Genius'."
[Windows-sux]|11:46 Jota says, "Y'know, MS has a surprisingly consistent history with their Windows versions alternating in quality."
[Windows-sux]|11:47 Hjalfi says, "Windows 7 was pretty poor. OTOH, not as bad as Vista."
[Windows-sux]|11:47 Gunther asks, "poor?"
[Windows-sux]|11:47 Jota says, "95 wasn't that great, but 98 was an improvement. ME sucked, but XP was actually pretty good. Vista is better left unspoken of, but 7 seems pretty decent."
[Windows-sux]|11:47 Jota asks (of Hj), "Oh?"
[Windows-sux]|11:47 Hjalfi says, "Maybe what we have here is some sort of damped oscillation curve, so as time passes the difference between the good ones and the bad ones shrinks."
[Windows-sux]|11:48 Jota says, "From a usability standpoint, I've found 7 just fine, once I got my quicklaunch back."
[Windows-sux]|11:48 Hjalfi says, "My experience of 7 was that it was slow and clunky, the UI was nasty, they'd moved stuff around for no apparent reason, and that I really wanted to go back to XP."
[Windows-sux]|11:48 Jota says, "(And fixed the taskbar so it didn't group things.)"
[movie]|11:48 boucher says, "And I can't help imagining the director, trying to cast him in this role (in my head, speaking with an Italian accent): 'I see you as Jesus and I think to myself, "There!  That is the suffering of being a professional golfer, captured so perfectly!  That is the realism I want to bring to this movie."'"
[Windows-sux]|11:48 Hjalfi says, "They deprecated multiple taskbars! *cries*"
[Windows-sux]|11:49 marc says, "well, you've left out the nt range"
[movie]|11:49 Jota asks, "Was that the Prisoner guy?"
[Windows-sux]|11:49 marc says, "nt 4 and 2000 were both good systems"
[Windows-sux]|11:49 Jota says (to marc), "Yeah, I have."
[movie]|11:49 boucher says, "Yeah, he's now also known as The Prisoner Guy"
[Windows-sux]|11:49 marc asks, "then xp was the merger, right?"
[Windows-sux]|11:49 Jota says (to marc), "I was only thinking about consumer-oriented desktop OSes."
[Windows-sux]|11:50 marc nods
[Windows-sux]|11:50 Gunther says, "I prefer 7 over all the others"
[movie]|11:50 boucher says, "But for a while, he was 'Bloody Action Jesus'"
[Windows-sux]|11:50 marc says, "i was pretty damned impressed by win7"
[Windows-sux]|11:50 marc says, "i'm not much of a windows guy -- and i have my general windows complaints -- but putting those to one side, win7 seemed really nice, snappy, usable, intuitive"
[Windows-sux]|11:50 Gunther says, "8, in my opinion, has the potential to break MS"
[Windows-sux]|11:51 marc says, "it just seems like an obviously nuts gamble"
[Windows-sux]|11:51 Gunther says, "so many wrong horses at the same time"
[Windows-sux]|11:51 Jota asks, "Do we know how long we have before it'll become difficult to buy a W7 machine?"
[Windows-sux]|11:51 Hjalfi says, "I still haven't met a modern GUI that rivalled the sheer usability of Mac OS 6. Not 7. 6..."
[Windows-sux]|11:51 Gunther says, "W8 is shit, WP is DOA..."
[Windows-sux]|11:51 marc says, "it's like vista was an overwhelmingly positive experience, so they're going to do it again but this time add a few thermonuclear warheads for good measure"
[lounge]|11:51 inky is only half-heartedly swathed in mummy bindings, and no sinister fires burn in his eyesockets.
[Windows-sux]|11:51 Gunther says (to Jota), "septemberish"
[Windows-sux]|11:52 Jota says (to Gunther), "Oof. OK, gotta buy a new box this summer, then."
[Windows-sux]|11:52 marc says, "i read a review where the guy spent 5 mins trying to figure out how to get to the login screen in w8"
[Windows-sux]|11:52 Gunther says, "well, you can always just buy/MSDN a Win7"
[Windows-sux]|11:52 marc says, "(he had to slide the useless lock screen up with the mouse)"
[Windows-sux]|11:52 Gunther says (to marc), "I remember that clearly, and then a red haze for the rest of the time I spent using Nadir."
[lounge]|11:53 marc says, "hey inky"
[lounge]|11:53 Gunther says, "poor man's mummy inky"
[hardware]|11:53 Jota asks, "Hmm. It's been a while since I've purchased a new computer myself (my last one was bought by my employer as a bonus). Who are the best retailers to look at these days?"
[hardware]|11:53 Jota asks, "Dell, HP, someone else?"
[hardware]|11:54 marc asks, "dekstop or laptop?"
[hardware]|11:54 Jota says, "Desktop."
[hardware]|11:54 marc says, "er, s<->k"
[Windows-sux]|11:54 boucher says, "I'll repeat what I said earlier.  As best I can tell, a Windows 7-like experience is not difficult to achieve and keep in Windows 8.  Desktop and everything.  There may be minor things like the start menu and such that change for the worse (which reversal hacks will certainly appear for if necessary), but you're not going to be stuck with Metro all over your desktop."
[lounge]|11:55 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, rosy pink this time of day.
[hardware]|11:55 Gunther says, "Newegg, AFAICT"
[hardware]|11:55 Gunther says, "best wait for Matthew to return and ask him"
[Windows-sux]|11:55 boucher says, "Unless you get an ARM-based tablet, in which case they will force you to use Metro, yes."
[Windows-sux]|11:55 Jota asks (of boucher), "An XP-like experience was achievable in W7; can you still get a W7-like XP-like experience in 8?"
[hardware]|11:56 Jota says, "Oh yeah, I forgot that he reviews this stuff professionally."
[Windows-sux]|11:56 Gunther says (to boucher), "that leaves me with... zero reason to upgrade"
[Windows-sux]|11:56 boucher says, "That one I'm not entirely sure about."
[Windows-sux]|11:56 Gunther says, "also, fullscreen apps won't just suddenly be not that"
[Windows-sux]|11:57 boucher says, "There are a very small number of improvements in W8 like faster bootups which might be attractive, but you're right...there's little reason to upgrade in my mind either."
[Windows-sux]|11:57 boucher asks (of Gunther), "What do you mean by fullscreen apps?  Metro apps?"
[Windows-sux]|11:57 Gunther says, "Yes"
[Windows-sux]|11:58 boucher says, "Then don't run Metro apps, I guess would be the answer."
[adventures]|11:58 Gunther says, "2 Guys Reddit AMA in 2 minutes"
[Windows-sux]|11:59 Gunther asks, "...like I'll have a choice?"
[Windows-sux]|11:59 boucher says, "I view Metro as an entirely separate platform.  W8 on desktop simply has an emulator for Metro which happens to run fullscreen."
[Windows-sux]|11:59 boucher says, "Yes, as far as I can tell, for now, you'll have a choice.  They're meant for different things."
[Windows-sux]|11:59 Fang asks, "what about stuff like the start menu?"
[Windows-sux]|12:00 Gunther says (to boucher), "until the next Office/Visual Studio/... comes out"
[Windows-sux]|12:00 boucher says, "Like Internet Explorer 10 will have two versions.  One desktop, which is normal and has full functionality, another Metro, which is restrictive, lacks addon support, and has more limited functionality, but some added Metro features."
[Windows-sux]|12:01 Gunther says, "I can't wait for all the awesome ways in which IE10 will be broken either"
[Windows-sux]|12:01 Gunther says, "just stop making browsers forever, Microsoft"
[lounge]|12:02 Roger is a distinctive orange, as a result of his uranium content.
[Windows-sux]|12:02 boucher says, "Metro is like iOS.  If it doesn't make sense to use on a low-power tablet, it probably won't be Metro, or will at least have a non-Metro version."
[D&D]|12:03 Roger says, "So I'm thinking of sticking a harpy in an abandoned lighthouse.  That sounds sorta classic."
[D&D]|12:03 inky says, "hmm yeah"
[Windows-sux]|12:04 boucher says, "There was a prototype start menu that took over the screen, but I think more recent versions are smaller.  Some people still don't like it, and have been hacking their versions of W8 to restore the old one.  There's a whole battle going on there, but I'm sure if Microsoft doesn't provide a usable Windows menu, someone will find a way to make it so."
[D&D]|12:04 inky says, "you could claim the chamber at the top echoes sound too and increases the range"
[D&D]|12:04 Roger says, "Well I was thinking of putting grates in the floor/ceiling"
[D&D]|12:05 Roger says, "And otherwise handwaving the range for things like sucking in ships into the rocks"
[D&D]|12:05 Roger says, "Although a harpy with a megaphone is funny enough that I might have to run with it"
[Jotacabana]|12:05 Jota says, "Hmm. It looks like I can probably find something decent between $1000 and $2000."
[Jotacabana]|12:05 Jota says, "That's not too bad."
[urls]|12:06 Roger says, "These are really good:"
[urls]|12:06 Roger | http://tragedyseries.tumblr.com/
[urls]|12:06 Roger says, "Particularly #13"
[urls]|12:07 inky says, " http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m410i2AW4s1r0o12to1_500.jpg is my favorite"
[urls]|12:07 Roger says, "Heh"
[urls]|12:08 Roger says, "The one I mentioned:  http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ssnhHqh31r0o12to1_1280.jpg "
[Jotacabana]|12:08 Jota says (to inky), "Confirmed by Mythbusters."
[Jotacabana]|12:08 Jota says, "Ilac."
[urls]|12:08 Jota says (to inky), "Confirmed by Mythbusters."
[urls]|12:09 Jota says, "Or rather, they busted the myth that is usually associated with them."
[urls]|12:10 inky asks, "and found they were basically well-behaved and polite?"
[urls]|12:10 Roger says, "Yeah turns out bulls are freakishly nimble"
[urls]|12:10 Jota says, "Yup."
[urls]|12:10 Roger says, "It was a fun episode"
[urls]|12:11 Jota says, "Even running through at full speed, taking corners, etc., they didn't break a cup."
[urls]|12:12 Roger says, "This feels like it should have its own EchoBazaar game"
[Windows-sux]|12:13 Gunther says (to boucher), "you may be right a year down the line but I'm pretty sure W8 will follow the Wii model"
[urls]|12:14 Jota says, "( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk_zpMory-0&t=2m0s )"
[Windows-sux]|12:15 Gunther says, ""We have all these new toys and by god you will use them""
[Windows-sux]|12:15 Gunther says, "followed by shitvelware from users of VS Express, which only allows Metro apps"
[textfyre]|12:22 Dave says, "blah - had the put old website back up"
[textfyre]|12:22 Dave says, "Amazon"
[urls]|12:22 Roger says, "Oh, new favourite"
[textfyre]|12:22 Dave says, "the new site is just not ready"
[urls]|12:22 Roger | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ssnhHqh31r0o12to1_1280.jpg
[textfyre]|12:23 Dave says, "I never have time for this sort of thing"
[urls]|12:24 Roger says, "Errr, I should say"
[urls]|12:24 Roger | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxcdndkZPS1r0o12to1_1280.jpg
[urls]|12:25 Gunther asks, "ok, what is this?"
[lounge]|12:26 Emily arrives.
[urls]|12:27 Roger says, "Just an art series"
[urls]|12:27 Hjalfi | http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw2nhft4l41r0o12to1_500.jpg
[urls]|12:35 Roger says, "Ha, just noticed the first callback to an early comic"
[programming]|12:46 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! marc has posted message 150, about 'Lang.NEXT 2012 Expert Panel: Web and Cloud Programming (and more)', to the bulletin board! WELCOME to the MEME of the FUTURE!"
[programming]|12:47 Roger says, "Apropos, Newsboy"
[adventures]|12:47 Gunther says, "ugh, Lucius"
[programming]|12:47 marc says, "yay"
[adventures]|12:47 Gunther says, "piss off with that game"
[DustWorld]|12:51 DavidW says, "Broke down and did a quite bit of shopping for lunch so I could have juice and meat sandwiches."
[DustWorld]|12:52 Roger says, "Sounds prudent to me"
[DustWorld]|12:52 DavidW says, "weirdly, I feel all flushed."
[DustWorld]|12:53 Roger asks, "Free-floating anxiety?"
[DustWorld]|12:54 DavidW says, "gee, I dunno. I was quite anxious yesterday, and I do have things TO DO today, but I didn't think I was anxious just right now."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:55 Jon says, "Just saw a sign for Sneath Lane, which I think is something out of Doctor Seuss."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:56 inky says, "hee hee"
[German]|12:58 Tale says, "Another evening of german Team Play with stadtgorilla, joining him via skype."
[lounge]|13:09 Hjalfi says, "Offtime."
[lounge]|13:09 Hjalfi enthusiastically mundanifies between spasms of personality-occultism and off-topic casual/social-leveraging.
[lounge]|13:11 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|13:11 ghira says, "meep"
[videogames]|13:12 Fang says, "HIB updated"
[videogames]|13:12 Fang says, "added Super Meat Boy, Braid, and Lone survivor"
[blogenfreude]|13:12 DavidW | Did you think it could get LESS appealing? Just did. This guy's free gift is bajingo cooties.
[videogames]|13:12 Gunther says, "jesus"
[videogames]|13:12 K-Y says, "in case you haven't bought those three times"
[videogames]|13:13 Gunther says, "zero times actually"
[videogames]|13:13 Gunther says, "but then, zombie game, who cares"
[blogenfreude]|13:13 inky says, "bajingo sounds like what happens after using the bedazzler"
[videogames]|13:14 inky says, "is Braid a zombie game? that would explain so much"
[videogames]|13:14 K-Y says, "well you see the zombies are actually allegories"
[videogames]|13:14 K-Y says, "man, that line could apply to half these games"
[videogames]|13:14 Fang says, "I forget if Lone Survivor has actual zombies in it"
[videogames]|13:15 Ryan says, "I would be more interested if the zombies were actuall alligators."
[videogames]|13:15 Ryan says, "+y"
[videogames]|13:15 inky says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|13:15 inky says, "they crawl slowly but relentlessly after you"
[videogames]|13:15 inky says, "if you go in the water they get you"
[videogames]|13:15 Fang says, "from what I played of it, it's more silent hill style what-the-hell-is-that monsters"
[videogames]|13:15 inky says, "then eventually you return as a one of them"
[videogames]|13:16 K-Y says, "I think Lone Survivor turned out to be one of those twist things where it's not what it looks like"
[blogenfreude]|13:16 DavidW says, "hm. Remember the hit single 'My Ding-a-ling'? Maybe it's time for  'My Bajingo-ling' to climb the charts."
[videogames]|13:16 Gunther says, "IIRC you hide in the shadows from what certainly look like zombies"
[blogenfreude]|13:16 inky says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|13:17 inky says, "maybe the PC is just a wimp"
[blogenfreude]|13:17 Gunther says, "I only recall "you touched my tra la la""
[adventures]|13:17 Gunther says (to Jota), "so according to the AmA the Two Guys have a Plan B"
[videogames]|13:18 Fang says (to Gunther), "well, I guess it depends on how you define a zombie game, here"
[adventures]|13:18 Gunther says, "it doesn't say whether that is "no game""
[adventures]|13:18 K-Y asks, "a Plan 9?"
[adventures]|13:18 Alex says (to K-Y), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that Plan 9 is Plan Nine From Outer Space, which is the worst sci-fi movie ever made."
[adventures]|13:18 K-Y says, "oh"
[adventures]|13:18 K-Y says, "I don't know why I read that"
[adventures]|13:18 inky says, "did they not hit their kickstarter"
[adventures]|13:18 Gunther says (to inky), "it's very on the line"
[blogenfreude]|13:18 inky says, "and it made me say do re mi"
[adventures]|13:19 Gunther says, "365K out of 500 with 5 days left"
[adventures]|13:19 inky says, "kickstarter people should start threating people with lamer goals they will do if they don't hit their goal"
[adventures]|13:19 Gunther says, "the Tex Murphy kickstarter did that"
[adventures]|13:19 inky says, "like "if we make less than half of what we ask for, we will post an angry rant on our blog about how nobody understands us""
[adventures]|13:19 inky says, "excellent"
[adventures]|13:20 Gunther says, "they had a story in which Tex gets kidnapped and if the goal isn't met, well"
[adventures]|13:20 Gunther says, "it's now met"
[lounge]|13:20 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|13:20 * Tale has disconnected.
[D&D]|13:20 Roger | Also, rogues get REALLY pissed off when the Wizard casts Light on the Rogue???s backpack
[adventures]|13:20 K-Y says, "'less than 25%: we will show those fools at the Academy'"
[adventures]|13:21 Gunther says, "I still haven't forgiven Big Finish their previous abominations of 'games'"
[facebook]|13:21 DavidW says, "yipes. Friend from university has been battling cancer (I didn't know), and her daughter's just posted that she may only have a month left."
[videogames]|13:23 K-Y says, "you know, ever since the latest Unfinished Swan video, I've been wondering how various indie games would have transformed themselves if given access to a big-time studio's resources"
[facebook]|13:24 DavidW says, "(I guess I knew she had a child; she was pregnant when I last saw her at a sci-fi convention, several years ago.)"
[videogames]|13:24 K-Y says, "like, before Sony's involvement it looked like it was going for low-budget surrealist horror"
[videogames]|13:25 K-Y says, "now it's turned into storybook fantasy with hints of Myst"
[facebook]|13:25 zarf says, "This sounds like a bad stereotype, but since I'm not on facebook, I get this sort of update via linkedin."
[facebook]|13:25 zarf says, "I just got a linkedin ping from an old friend's father, and now I'm updated on ten years of drama^H^H^H^H stuff."
[facebook]|13:26 zarf says, "and invited to come by for Fourth of July, etc."
[facebook]|13:26 lpsmith says, "Wow, I had no idea you could use linkedin as a poor man's facebook."
[D&D]|13:26 Roger says, "Also I don't think I've seen this before"
[D&D]|13:27 Roger | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v-35K4ooL6U/T9DbdnkbweI/AAAAAAAAAl8/a29yHglVNLM/s1600/-10+horse+points.jpg
[facebook]|13:27 DavidW says, "I suppose this cancer explains why she didn't show up for the reunion earlier this year."
[D&D]|13:27 inky says, "heh"
[onion]|13:30 DavidW says, "Not Onion, but Borowitz Report (which I assume must be much the same thing): | Canada Bracing for Massive Influx of Wisconsin Boat People"
[videogames]|13:30 K-Y says, "also it would have involved Uru-style impotent object manipulation, which would have been terrible"
[onion]|13:30 inky says, "yeah"
[onion]|13:30 inky says, "also ha ha"
[onion]|13:30 inky says, "usually the borowitz report isn't funny but I like that one"
[onion]|13:31 inky says, "I assume they are sailing north on big wedges of cheese"
[onion]|13:31 DavidW | ?We are telling all of our men that under no circumstances should they accept offerings of cheese,? he said.  ?These boat people are desperate and they will try anything.?
[onion]|13:32 Gunther says, "cheesesconsin"
[questionablecontent]|13:32 inky says, "I can't tell if the joke here is that Marten has problems talking to girls, or that he's not used to leading tours, or that he is just goofy"
[questionablecontent]|13:32 zarf says, "I vote (b)"
[lounge]|13:34 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|13:34 inky says, "here comes olly"
[lounge]|13:34 Olly says, "Hello, MUDsters."
[lounge]|13:34 inky says, "ollying right in"
[lounge]|13:35 Olly says, "Ollying freely along."
[lounge]|13:37 Olly asks, "Whose pants are his pants?"
[telltalegames]|13:37 baf says, "Hm. Apparently the Humble Bundle guys have approached us in the past about maybe putting Sam & Max Season 1 in a bundle"
[telltalegames]|13:37 Gunther asks, "all of it?"
[telltalegames]|13:37 baf says, "and the only thing preventing it has been our lack of Linux support"
[telltalegames]|13:38 Gunther says, "#tangent I just noticed I haven't gotten a TTG newsletter in forever"
[lounge]|13:38 Olly says, "cody's, apparently."
[telltalegames]|13:38 baf asks (of Gunther), "I'd assume so. It would have to be more than our usual single-episode giveaway, right?"
[lounge]|13:39 Olly asks, "Who is cody?"
[lounge]|13:39 Alex says (to Olly), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that Cody is the guy who gave us Textfire, and is therefore an IF immortal."
[telltalegames]|13:39 baf asks, "Really?"
[telltalegames]|13:39 Gunther says, "yeah, not since JP I think"
[lounge]|13:39 Olly asks, "anything finder about toad"
[telltalegames]|13:39 baf says, "Hm."
[zarfplan]|13:40 zarf says, "thumpity thumpity rewriting Boodler in Objective C"
[lounge]|13:40 Olly says, "Oops."
[names]|13:40 inky says, "apparently we have both a Trevor and a Trever working here"
[lounge]|13:40 Olly asks, "anything finder about toad"
[names]|13:40 inky says, "I bet this annoys both of them"
[zarfplan]|13:40 zarf says, "not the worst port I've ever done"
[telltalegames]|13:40 Gunther says, "and hey, I am somehow unsubscribed"
[zarfplan]|13:40 Gunther says, "oooh"
[lounge]|13:40 Olly fails.
[names]|13:40 Gunther asks, "Trever?"
[names]|13:40 K-Y says, "somebody will have to take one for the team and go by Trevhead"
[names]|13:41 Ryan says, "Trever Andever"
[names]|13:41 K-Y says, "wait, that doesn't actually disambiguate"
[telltalegames]|13:41 baf says, "Asking around the office reveals general surprise that you got one as recently as JP."
[lounge]|13:41 Olly gets Anything Finder.
[telltalegames]|13:41 baf says, "and 'Didn't the person who did those leave?' sort of comments"
[lounge]|13:41 Olly lights out for the west.
[names]|13:41 Roger says, "I am Tre-Vor.  He is Tre-Ver.  We battle eternal."
[telltalegames]|13:42 Gunther says, "ha ha oops"
[telltalegames]|13:42 Gunther says, "I mean the general ones with "hey, we have this new game" and coupons and stuff"
[lounge]|13:42 Olly arrives from the west with fresh air in its lungs and the wind in its hair.
[lounge]|13:42 Olly drops Anything Finder.
[telltalegames]|13:42 baf says, "yeah"
[lounge]|13:42 Olly gets banana.
[telltalegames]|13:43 baf says, "I used to get those too."
[telltalegames]|13:43 Gunther says, "ok, that would probably explain it"
[questionablecontent]|13:44 Jota says, "I figured something along the lines of being unprepared and bad at improvising."
[lounge]|13:44 Olly says, "This banana belongs to someone who has not been here for more than four years."
[lounge]|13:45 Jota says, "Probably left because we didn't play enough Pass the Banana anymore."
[lounge]|13:45 Olly gives banana to Jota.
[adventures]|13:45 Jota asks, "#belated Who's AmA?"
[lounge]|13:45 Jota gives banana to inky.
[lounge]|13:46 Fang asks, "does this mean inky lost?"
[adventures]|13:46 Gunther says, "Reddit's Ask Me Anything interview-type thing"
[adventures]|13:46 Jota says, "Oh, right."
[lounge]|13:46 Gunther says, "FOR NOW"
[lounge]|13:46 Olly says, "For the moment."
[telltalegames]|13:47 Gunther says, "also this reminds me to check in on the PA2 Let's Play in which your puzzle was the last audience participation thing"
[lounge]|13:47 zarf walks off through the wall; pale violet light flares briefly around him.
[lounge]|13:47 inky says, "perhaps it's some part of a greater strategy in more general fruit-based diplomacy"
[lounge]|13:47 Jota says (to Fang), "It means it's inky's turn. Like in 'tag'."
[lounge]|13:47 inky says, "oh yeah"
[lounge]|13:47 inky gives banana to Fang.
[lounge]|13:49 Olly says, "I thought the object of Pass the Banana was to give the banana to someone without their noticing."
[lounge]|13:49 Fang says, "hmm"
[telltalegames]|13:49 Gunther says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4qtPbSirTg "
[lounge]|13:50 Fang exclaims (at Gunther), "LOOK OVER THERE!"
[lounge]|13:50 inky says, "slipping someone the banana is a different thing entirely"
[lounge]|13:50 Fang gives banana to Gunther.
[lounge]|13:50 Roger says, "Your inventory seems inexplicably fruitier."
[lounge]|13:51 Gunther asks (of Fang), "huh what is that a banana in my pocket or am I just happy to see you?"
[jobs]|13:51 ghira says, "of FFS. recruiter tells me the company I'm interviewing likes asking "why is that all you're earning at your age?" and similar questions."
[jobs]|13:51 ghira says, "what's the English for "boh""
[jobs]|13:51 Gunther says, "A: lie about income"
[lounge]|13:52 Gunther gives banana to Roger.
[jobs]|13:53 (from baf) interviewer says, "Let me see your watch. That looks like a CHEAP WATCH. Do you honestly expect me to respect you?"
[jobs]|13:53 inky asks, "bosh?"
[lounge]|13:53 Jota asks, "Roger with a banana?"
[lounge]|13:53 inky says, "snorg"
[lounge]|13:54 Gunther says, "tee hee"
[jobs]|13:54 ghira says, "well this is just a phone interview. live I'd shrug. "boh" is useful on the phone."
[lounge]|13:54 Roger gives banana to Alex.
[jobs]|13:55 K-Y says, "or 'sna'"
[lounge]|13:56 Olly gives a lemon to inky.
[lounge]|13:56 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|13:57 inky asks, "I'm legally allowed to return this within three days, right?"
[apple-sux]|13:57 Gunther says, "so after the twat that leads Apple now, I'm just going to call him Not-Jobs, said he was sick of all the patent wars..."
[lounge]|13:57 inky gives a lemon to Jota.
[apple-sux]|13:57 Gunther says, "...Apple is trying to stop Samsung from bringing the Galaxy S3 to market."
[lounge]|13:57 Gunther gives cooties to Olly.
[lounge]|13:58 ghira gives the heebi-jeebies to Olly
[lounge]|13:59 Olly gives the fantods to ghira.
[lounge]|13:59 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|13:59 inky says, "they're still quivering!"
[lounge]|13:59 inky asks, "or is it howling?"
[lounge]|14:00 Jota gives a lemon to ghira.
[whiz-games]|14:00 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]|14:00 Whizzard says, "beeb."
[MacOS]|14:01 baf says, "He's like a Vietnam draftee. Sick of the war, but unable to stop fighting."
[whiz-games]|14:01 Gunther says, "plooor"
[MacOS]|14:01 baf says, "iladc"
[lounge]|14:01 Olly says, "ghira's heebi-jeebies are screaming.  I don't think they like me."
[apple-sux]|14:01 baf says, "He's like a Vietnam draftee. Sick of the war, but unable to stop fighting."
[lounge]|14:03 Olly says, "Probably because I have cooties."
[lounge]|14:04 inky says, "worse yet, they're cootie-wooties"
[lounge]|14:04 baf gives the Fear to Jota
[lounge]|14:05 Olly looks at Jota.
[security]|14:05 K-Y says, "argh"
[security]|14:05 K-Y asks, "last.fm now?"
[lounge]|14:05 Olly puts the fear of God in baf.
[security]|14:06 K-Y says, "I'm almost out of uncompromised passwords"
[lounge]|14:06 baf says, "That was actually something that a college roommate of mine did on an LPMUD he was a wizard on: created an object called 'the Fear' that made you run in a random direction every so often when it was in your inventory."
[lounge]|14:06 Jota gives a banana to you.
[lounge]|14:07 baf says, "Other players would see it described something like '[name] runs from the room screaming. I think he's got the Fear.'"
[security]|14:07 Fang asks, "oh?"
[lounge]|14:07 Gunther says (to Jota), "heh"
[lounge]|14:07 Gunther says, "you can't fool me! for longer than a minute"
[lounge]|14:08 McMartin says, "omg stealth banana"
[lounge]|14:08 Gunther says, "Yellow... fruit?!"
[lounge]|14:09 Fang gives a banana to you.
[lounge]|14:09 Gunther gives basilisk to Fang.
[lounge]|14:09 Fang gives a banana to you.
[lounge]|14:09 Fang gives a banana to you.
[lounge]|14:09 Fang gives a banana to you.
[lounge]|14:09 Fang gives banana to Gunther.
[lounge]|14:09 Fang gives a banana to you.
[lounge]|14:09 DavidW asks, "gee, all these bananas for me?"
[lounge]|14:09 (From Olly) Everyone types 'i'
[lounge]|14:10 Gunther says, "if only the actual object weren't called "banana" and not "a banana""
[lounge]|14:10 Jota asks, "Is that sung to the tune of Happy Birthday?"
[lounge]|14:10 Fang exclaims, "dammit!"
[lounge]|14:10 Gunther gives banana to McMartin.
[lounge]|14:10 DavidW says, "I'll have to make a hammock for all these bananas."
[lounge]|14:10 Olly says (to Gunther), "He could have made a new one."
[lounge]|14:11 Jota gives a banana to Gunther.
[lounge]|14:11 Gunther says (to Jota), "snrk"
[lounge]|14:11 Gunther gives a banana to Fang.
[lounge]|14:11 Fang eats a banana.
[lounge]|14:11 Olly gives a small gold sphere to Jota.
[lounge]|14:11 DavidW pops over to the banana grove for a few.
[lounge]|14:11 Jota says, "Whoops, I forgot to make my banana editble."
[lounge]|14:12 Olly giggles.
[lounge]|14:12 Hugo enters the lounge, as poets spout spontaneous verse and the official translators struggle to keep up with lines like, "We will stimulate ourselves by saying your name, Hugo, when we say Hugo, we stimulate ourselves."
[lounge]|14:12 DavidW arrives inkyious from victor's quest.
[lounge]|14:12 Olly says, "Hello, Hugo."
[lounge]|14:12 DavidW says, "well, if you're looking for bananas, there's lots in the banana grove."
[lounge]|14:13 Jota says, "There, fixed."
[lounge]|14:13 Hugo says, "Begin stimulation...now."
[lounge]|14:13 Gunther says (to Hugo), "way ahead of you"
[lounge]|14:13 Fang tries to peel a rubber banana.
[lounge]|14:13 Olly gives a lemon to Hugo.
[lounge]|14:13 Fang drops a banana.
[lounge]|14:14 (From Olly) Fang's banana bounces.
[lounge]|14:14 Jota exclaims, "Bouncing bountiful bananas, Batman!"
[lounge]|14:16 (From Hugo) Batman says, "Robin, that's...no...BANANA!"
[DustWorld]|14:16 DavidW says, "hm. I think I want another sandwich."
[DustWorld]|14:17 Jota asks, "PB&B?"
[lounge]|14:17 Olly says, "Wow, Hugo is object #1088."
[lounge]|14:17 Jota asks, "Is that a significant number?"
[lounge]|14:17 Gunther says, "he caused the fire of lo... wait, no"
[DustWorld]|14:17 DavidW says, "no, deli meat, lettuce, and bbq sauce."
[DustWorld]|14:17 inky says (to Jota), "hee hee"
[DustWorld]|14:17 DavidW says, "I have no bananas"
[DustWorld]|14:18 Gunther asks, "Poutine, Butter & Banana?"
[DustWorld]|14:18 Jota says, "Yes, you have no bananas."
[DustWorld]|14:18 inky says (to Jota), "at least today he doesn't"
[lounge]|14:18 Hugo says, "I mean, I *have* caused a fire.  Lots and lots of fires."
[lounge]|14:18 DavidW says, "We didn't start the fire."
[lounge]|14:18 josh_g is protected by public incredulity.
[lounge]|14:18 Gunther says, "if you think that's low, check out vampyr"
[lounge]|14:19 Jota says, "I am not sure if he really counts as a proper MUDder."
[lounge]|14:19 Jota says, "But Adam certainly does."
[lounge]|14:19 Gunther says, "liza too"
[lounge]|14:19 Jota says, "Of course, if you're just trying to beat Hugo, then several people in this room will do. inky, me..."
[angst]|14:19 josh_g says, "student assembly today that my class was at, re: suicide"
[lounge]|14:19 Gunther says, "even I"
[lounge]|14:19 Jota says, "Or simply a heavy enough club."
[DustWorld]|14:20 DavidW says, "oh, I was gonna buy eggs and forgot. Knew I forgot something."
[angst]|14:20 josh_g says, "I am not actually angsty, but this channel seemed appropriate"
[lounge]|14:21 Olly says, "I am object number 18146."
[lounge]|14:21 josh_g says, "I am not a number, I am a free mudder!"
[lounge]|14:21 Gunther asks, "who is #6?"
[lounge]|14:21 Gunther says, "dammit"
[lounge]|14:22 Olly says, "My toad is number 18149."
[programming]|14:22 marc says, "just finished that video"
[programming]|14:22 marc says, "thought odersky and alvaro were great"
[food]|14:22 Dave says, "ack - lunch too big"
[food]|14:22 Dave says, "explode"
[lounge]|14:24 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|14:24 Olly says, "Hello, K-Y."
[lounge]|14:25 K-Y says, "I should have expected that if I stayed out of the lounge enough I would miss something important"
[lounge]|14:25 Olly says, "Also, hello josh_g."
[lounge]|14:25 Olly says, "We were playing Pass the Fruit."
[yay]|14:25 Gunther says, " http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120603115057/diablo/images/0/01/B2.jpg "
[lounge]|14:25 K-Y says, "it was a formative experience!"
[lounge]|14:25 Firion sets fire to inky's tractor and crashes his golf cart into the lounge.
[lounge]|14:26 K-Y says, "back in '99"
[I7]|14:26 Firion asks, "I have a problem.  Is there a default rule for sitting or lying on something? Namely if I want to write an instead rule?"
[whiz-games]|14:26 Whizzard says, "Welp, that's the last of my potato salad."
[whiz-games]|14:26 Whizzard says, "It was good while it lasted, though."
[lounge]|14:27 Olly says, "I wasn't here then."
[lounge]|14:27 Olly says, "Hello, Firion."
[urls]|14:27 Jota says, "It's hard to read http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lygtb37Umf1r0o12to1_1280.jpg without checking."
[lounge]|14:27 K-Y says, "then it can be a formative experience now"
[whiz-games]|14:27 inky says, "it was the best of salads, it was the worst of salads"
[lounge]|14:27 Olly says, "Not even Johnny joined the MUD that young."
[I7]|14:27 DavidW says, "I think sitting and lying are by default the same as entering. If you need them to be handled differently, you may need to split 'em up."
[lounge]|14:28 Jota says, "Young? If you want young, there's always DG..."
[lounge]|14:28 Jota asks, "He's, what... twenty-something, now?"
[I7]|14:29 DavidW says, "So currently, you'd write:   Instead of entering the bed: [etc]"
[lounge]|14:30 Gunther says (to Jota), "is he 20 yet? man, time flies"
[macdev]|14:30 Hugo says, "I should always be prepared to lose half a day farting around with Apple's submission/validation process."
[lounge]|14:31 Olly says, "For most of 1999 I was 12."
[I7]|14:31 DavidW says, "hm. Except when I look at the entering action, I see 'sit on [something]' as one of the commands, but not 'lie on [something]'."
[I7]|14:31 Firion says, "OK."
[I7]|14:32 lpsmith says (to Firion), "The way to test this is to run the game, type 'verbs' and then try the commands you want to override."
[I7]|14:32 lpsmith says, "(in debug mode)"
[lounge]|14:32 Jota asks (of Olly), "Are you really old enough to be here?"
[I7]|14:32 DavidW says, "Looks like 'lie' isn't a default verb anymore."
[lounge]|14:33 Hugo asks, "Fetch us a beer from the icebox, will you?"
[I7]|14:33 DavidW asks, "How does one start debug mode?"
[I7]|14:34 Firion says, "I can't get the damn thing to run now for some reason.  I need to do some serious debugging."
[I7]|14:35 DavidW says, "I'm seeing SD at the end of  the release line, but 'verbs' isn't recognized."
[lounge]|14:35 Olly would show Jota their ID, only they haven't created one.
[I7]|14:35 lpsmith says, "Just run the game in the IDE."
[I7]|14:35 lpsmith says, "Oh, hmm."
[I7]|14:36 lpsmith says, "Hmm, I must be misremembering the verb."
[kids]|14:36 Hugo says, "This is something my two-year-old has begun doing, which amuses me: I rarely ever have a beer, but for some reason whenever he sees me drinking something like a can of Diet Coke, he runs around hollering 'Daddy's drinking a beer!'"
[I7]|14:36 lpsmith asks, "'actions'?"
[I7]|14:36 lpsmith asks, "'verb'?"
[I7]|14:36 lpsmith asks, "'verbs on'?"
[I7]|14:36 DavidW says, "There's showverb."
[kids]|14:36 Olly says, "Wacky."
[lounge]|14:36 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|14:36 * K-Y has disconnected.
[I7]|14:36 lpsmith says, "That could be it."
[kids]|14:36 Hugo says, "Unfortunately he hasn't gotten to fetching yet."
[I7]|14:37 DavidW says, "So I can do 'showverb sit' or 'showverb enter', but 'showverb lie' throws an error."
[kids]|14:37 Olly asks, "Does he like beer?"
[I7]|14:37 lpsmith says, "Oh, no, that's not what I was thinking of."
[kids]|14:37 Hugo says, "I'm going to guess no."
[I7]|14:38 lpsmith says, "There's something else that lets you see what actual action is being taken when you type in commands."
[lounge]|14:38 ghira gives Gunther a lemon, and love a bad name
[I7]|14:38 DavidW asks, "trace? routines?"
[jobs]|14:38 inky | Working great!! Thanks Tommy. People are thrilled F12 is working again
[jobs]|14:38 inky asks, "low expectations or lowest expectations?"
[kids]|14:38 Olly says, "When I was 3 or 4, my parents used to let me have a sip of their beer."
[jobs]|14:38 marc says, "ha ha"
[I7]|14:38 DavidW says, "actions is a verb"
[jobs]|14:38 marc says, "gotta love that f12"
[kids]|14:38 Olly says, "I liked it then, but I don't now, which seems strange."
[jobs]|14:38 ghira says, "I came quite close to being asked to drop by Newcastle today, apparently"
[jobs]|14:39 ghira says, "I am very very glad that did not happen."
[I7]|14:39 lpsmith exclaims, "That's it!"
[jobs]|14:39 marc says, "the calling of the ale"
[jobs]|14:39 (from inky) ghira says "I guess they found some other way to get coals"
[I7]|14:40 Firion asks, "Hmmmm... I'm just wondering if I should try having another author assist me in debugging?"
[I7]|14:40 lpsmith says, "So you type 'actions' and then type 'sit on X' and it'll say [entering X]"
[I7]|14:40 lpsmith says, "So you know your rule has to be 'instead of entering X...'"
[kids]|14:40 Jota says, "Icky kid stuff."
[I7]|14:41 Firion says, "How do you write going up for an instead rule? I tried, 'Instead of going up, [whatever]' but it doesn't work"
[kids]|14:41 Olly says (to Jota), "That definitely exists."
[kids]|14:41 inky says, "maybe they changed brands"
[kids]|14:42 Olly says, "Have you ever eaten Chef Boyardee ravioli as an adult?  Ugh."
[I7]|14:42 Firion asks, "Do I need to write going upward or something?"
[I7]|14:42 DavidW says, "I think it's either Instead of going up from _location_ or in _location_ or _to_ location, but I can never remember which."
[I7]|14:43 DavidW says, "And it makes a difference if the movement is possible or not which preposition you use."
[I7]|14:43 McMartin says, "in means before you check if that direction is successful"
[I7]|14:43 Firion asks, "What about the command to increase the score?"
[I7]|14:43 McMartin says, "from means you're in the location and you go that way"
[kids]|14:43 Olly says (to inky), "Hm.  I think they drank Pabst Blue Ribbon when I was little."
[I7]|14:43 McMartin says, "to means you're in some other location, you go that way, and you'll end up there."
[I7]|14:43 DavidW says, "see the chapter 7.13. Going from, going to"
[I7]|14:44 McMartin says, "For custom you-can't-go-that-way messages, 'in' is the one you want."
[I7]|14:44 Firion asks, "What about how to increase the score?"
[I7]|14:44 McMartin says, "It's very rare to want instead of going up *to* location, though instead of going to location gets you 'barricade all entrances"
[kids]|14:44 inky asks, "wait, you're saying they were into PBR before it was cool?"
[I7]|14:44 McMartin says, "increase the score by 3;"
[I7]|14:44 McMartin says, "IIRC"
[I7]|14:44 Firion asks, "You add a semicolon?"
[I7]|14:45 McMartin says, "Command separator"
[I7]|14:45 McMartin says, "I'm assuming you also want to say stuff."
[I7]|14:45 Firion says, "I put the say first, then the increase score."
[kids]|14:45 Olly says, "I don't know if they were into it or if they just bought it because it was cheap, but they did drink it."
[I7]|14:47 Firion says, "It's still saying it's wrong..."
[teaching]|14:47 Bishop says, "Eep, made the mistake of looking at my RateMyProfessors.com page."
[kids]|14:47 Olly says, "I guess I was into PBR before it was cool."
[onion]|14:48 DavidW says, "heh. Don't even need to click it: | Nude Man Who Locked Self Out Of House Delivers Moving Treatise On Human Condition To Slowly Gathering Crowd [Full Story - with video]"
[I7]|14:48 Firion says, "I gotta go, I'll work on this lter."
[I7]|14:48 Firion says, "later*"
[teaching]|14:48 Jota asks, "Not good?"
[tangent]|14:49 Jota asks, "As someone who knows little about beer or hipsters, I must wonder: why is Pabst Blue Ribbon associated with hipsters?"
[teaching]|14:49 Bishop says, "I don't think RMP pages often are. Good news is, only 4 people found me interesting enough to comment on."
[teaching]|14:49 DavidW says, "and I bet at least one was about the nail polish."
[teaching]|14:49 Gunther says, "surely that is the kind of site only an asshole would comment on and every normal person ignores"
[tangent]|14:50 inky says, "I think that some hipsters hang out in industrial neighborhoods which are slowly turning cool"
[tangent]|14:50 mwmiller says, "Because it's cheap and in poor taste, and so are they."
[tangent]|14:50 inky says, "like seattle's georgetown, not that this is much help to you"
[lounge]|14:50 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[tangent]|14:50 Jota says, "I thought hipsters were supposed to not self-identify as hipsters."
[teaching]|14:50 Bishop says, "Pretty much, yeah. It doesn't go in my tenure report, so I have the luxury of not giving a shit."
[I7]|14:51 Firion says, "Although, if anyone wants to take a look at my source code and help me out, I'll do so later."
[lounge]|14:51 Firion goes home.
[tangent]|14:51 Jota asks, "So wouldn't choosing your beer for social reasons, when the primary social association of said beer is hipsters, be self-identifying as a hipster?"
[tangent]|14:51 inky says, "it is a complicated life being a hipster"
[teaching]|14:52 inky says, "well, the real question is how hot they say you are"
[lounge]|14:52 Hugo says, "It's hailing. What the hell."
[lounge]|14:52 Gunther says, "what the hail"
[teaching]|14:52 Bishop says, "No chili peppers."
[teaching]|14:53 Bishop says, "Also, at least one of them panned me for a class I _didn't even teach_."
[tangent]|14:53 Olly says (to Jota), "I think they choose it because of its association with the working class, which, no doubt is slowly wearing off."
[teaching]|14:53 Gunther says, "case closed."
[tangent]|14:54 Jota asks (of Olly), "Oh, is PBR associated with the working class?"
[tangent]|14:54 Jota says, "The only times I'd ever heard of it were as 'the stuff that hipsters drink'."
[tangent]|14:54 Jota says, "(I told you I didn't know about beer.)"
[tangent]|14:54 Olly says (to Jota), "I do not know this of my own knowledge, but I've heard that said."
[teaching]|14:54 Bishop says (to Gunther), "Trust me, I'm not taking this too much to heart. I'm always a _bit_ bummed to be disliked, because I try hard to reduce the misery associated with my class, but I know full well I cannot, actually, please everyone."
[tangent]|14:55 mwmiller says, "Being a hipster is complicated, but being a dickhead's cool.  < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I >"
[tangent]|14:56 inky says, "it's like trucker hats"
[tangent]|14:56 Jota asks (of mwm), " http://oglaf.com/intermission/ ?"
[tangent]|14:56 Jota asks, "Hipsters wear trucker hats?"
[tangent]|14:57 inky | http://www.zazzle.com/iso_9001_standard_hipster_trucker_hat-148542571810427216
[tangent]|14:57 Gunther says, "goooood you are so painfully unhip Jota"
[tangent]|14:58 Jota asks, "So are hipsters kinda like the rich white kids who are into rap and call their friends 'homies'?"
[lounge]|14:58 Hugo says, "Well, we don't tend to do hail here."
[tangent]|14:58 Jota asks, "Except, like, in Seattle instead of NY?"
[lounge]|14:58 Hugo says, "And on a somewhat related note, there was a time in my life when I wouldn't be nearly as bothered by what just happened to the peonies."
[tangent]|14:58 inky says, "well, they're in williamsburg, which is in NY"
[tangent]|14:58 inky says, "but yeah"
[tangent]|15:01 Roger says, "I would suggest they're not really like that"
[tangent]|15:01 Roger says, "Insofar as the white homies actually authentically enjoy rap music, as far as I can tell, while with the hipsters everything is oh so ironic."
[tangent]|15:01 Olly says, "I thought they liked indie rock."
[tangent]|15:01 ghira asks, "was Scott Pilgrim a hipster? or a slacker? can you be both?"
[tangent]|15:02 Roger says, "Pilgrim, at least the movie version, is sort of a wannabe hipster"
[tangent]|15:02 Roger says, "Like he wants to be jaded and ironic but gosh darn it Cera is just too damn earnest"
[tangent]|15:02 ghira looks up "nebbish" and "dweeb"
[tangent]|15:03 inky says, "hipsters aren't really like nebbishes or dweebs"
[tangent]|15:03 inky says, "although they could dress in a dweeby way to be ironic"
[tangent]|15:03 Roger says, "Except on the most cosmetic of levels"
[tangent]|15:03 inky says, "like thick-rimmed black glasses"
[tangent]|15:03 Roger says, "As you say"
[tangent]|15:04 Olly says, "I got some of those glasses."
[tangent]|15:04 Fang says, "Pilgrim is totally a slacker"
[tangent]|15:04 Roger says, "He's pretty slack, yeah"
[chiles]|15:04 ghira keeps ears open for screaming from Calabria. the nagas may have been handed over today.
[tangent]|15:04 Fang says, "at least up until book 4 or something"
[tangent]|15:05 Olly says, "They make me look like someone working on he moon shot."
[tangent]|15:05 inky says (to Olly), "excellent"
[tangent]|15:05 Olly says, "*the"
[tangent]|15:06 Olly says, "before that I had more or less always had the same round wire-rimmed glasses."
[glasses]|15:06 ghira says, "I guess I'm only a few years away from needing corrected vision"
[tangent]|15:06 Fang says, "I don't think Pilgrim's really a hipster, given he's not really interested in these things, and barely knew his ex girlfriend was in a super popular band"
[tangent]|15:07 baf says, "Well, he knew her before she was popular."
[tangent]|15:08 baf says, "Denigrating popular stuff is very hipster."
[tangent]|15:09 Jota asks, "We're still allowed to hate reality TV without being hipsters, right?"
[tangent]|15:09 inky says, "hipsters and music nerds are pretty closely connected"
[tangent]|15:10 Olly says (to Jota), "As long as you hate it for some other reason than because other people like it."
[tangent]|15:10 inky says, "I think because music isn't implicitly uncool like d&d but not universally acceptable like sports"
[tangent]|15:10 Jota asks, "Do hipsters actually *admit* that the reason they dislike something is because other people like it?"
[tangent]|15:10 ghira says, "I get the impression reality tv is one of the reasons I'd be glad I didn't have a tv if I knew enough about what reality tv was to dislike it"
[tangent]|15:10 Roger says, "I picture hipsters sitting around and watching, say, Flavor Flav's Time for Love, or that Tila Tequila person"
[tangent]|15:10 Jota says (to ghira), "Yeah."
[tangent]|15:11 inky says, "reality tv is where they strand three brides on an island and make them do challenges to see who can have the best wedding while fixing up their home to resell"
[tangent]|15:11 inky says, "oh yeah, tila tequila"
[tangent]|15:11 inky says, "I wonder if she is outraged that Snooki stole her thunder"
[tangent]|15:12 Olly says (to ghira), "Most reality TV encourages people to be cruel and petty."
[lounge]|15:12 Gunther says, "csb"
[lounge]|15:12 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
[tangent]|15:12 ghira asks, "I've heard of "big brother" and seen the dr who ep based on it. beyond that, enh. do the "pop idol" things count as reality tv?"
[tangent]|15:12 ghira says, "not that I've seen them but I know they exist."
[tangent]|15:12 inky says, "man, she'll do anything to get in the headlines"
[tangent]|15:12 inky | Tila Tequila Hospitalized After Brain Aneurysm And Drug Overdose
[tangent]|15:12 Fang says, "ghira is sure being evasive"
[tangent]|15:13 Olly says (to ghira), "I don't think the talent contest things are what people mean when they talk about reality TV."
[tangent]|15:13 ghira says (to fang), "well I see stuff about pop idol type shows in papers left on the train"
[tangent]|15:13 Jota says (to Olly), "They're borderline, but I don't think it's unreasonable to include them."
[tangent]|15:13 (from Fang) ghira says, "not that I buy such newspapers, of course!"
[tangent]|15:13 inky says, "I think they are best viewed as an early example of the genre"
[tangent]|15:14 Roger says, "The foundational reality tv show is Cops, as far as I know"
[tangent]|15:14 inky says, "like, first you have people going on stage to demonstrate some skill"
[tangent]|15:14 ghira says, "we sometimes buy a paper at the weekend. during the week "metro" is free and so are random other papers left on the train"
[tangent]|15:14 inky says, "and then you take them off the stage and watch them continuously as they fulfill some challenges"
[tangent]|15:14 inky says, "and then you just watch them and they don't even have to do anythinjg"
[tangent]|15:14 inky says (to Roger), "hmm, ok, that is a fair point"
[tangent]|15:14 Fang says (to inky), "I disagree"
[lounge]|15:14 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
[tangent]|15:15 Fang says, "I think they start off with docudramas"
[tangent]|15:15 Fang says, "like, initially there might be a documentary about how an airport works or something"
[tangent]|15:15 Gunther says, "I'm going to write an utopian (not dystopian!) novel in which fame is communist - people are randomly picked to get 15 minutes of fame, then may never identify themselves or be spoken of again, under penalty of death."
[tangent]|15:15 Fang says, "and then they get progressively less structured, and then more artifcial"
[tangent]|15:16 Jota asks (of inky), "Wait, what is an example of #2 that predated #3?"
[tangent]|15:16 Fang says (to Gunther), "that seems pretty dystopian."
[tangent]|15:16 mwmiller says, "Personally I trace 'reality' shows, in the sense of bringing together a group of people specifically for filming, back to _The Real World_ in 1992.  Although apparently _Cops_ premiered in 1989."
[tangent]|15:16 ghira asks, "do "7 up" and sequels count as reality shows?"
[tangent]|15:17 inky says (to Jota), "I was thinking survivor for #2"
[tangent]|15:17 Roger says, "Yeah I can see that."
[tangent]|15:17 ghira says, "I would guess not"
[tangent]|15:17 inky says, "(but the real world and cops seem like counterexamples)"
[tangent]|15:17 Gunther says (to Fang), "you'd apply for the fame selection pool. Thus, utopia for everyone else when they don't have to hear or see Britney ever again."
[lounge]|15:17 Olly says, "I think I'm going to take a nap."
[lounge]|15:17 inky says, "a wise choice"
[tangent]|15:17 Fang says (to Gunther), "oh, okay, if you have to apply for it, then maybe"
[tangent]|15:17 Jota asks (of inky), "Isn't survivor-type stuff an outgrowth of just watching people, once just watching people got boring?"
[tangent]|15:17 Fang says, "but hang on"
[lounge]|15:18 Olly says, "Until later, everyone."
[tangent]|15:18 Gunther says (to Fang), "well, not everyone has something to be famous for"
[tangent]|15:18 Fang says, "aren't you just going to get an endless array of untalented losers"
[tangent]|15:18 Gunther says, "of course, exactly like now"
[lounge]|15:18 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[tangent]|15:18 Gunther says, "except YOU NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN after 15 minutes."
[tangent]|15:18 Gunther says, "literally 15 minutes."
[tangent]|15:18 Jota says, "I guess Survivor and Real World both started in 1992."
[tangent]|15:18 Fang exclaims, "but they'll just be replaced with new losers!"
[tangent]|15:19 Gunther says, "again, just like now"
[tangent]|15:19 Gunther says, "just a quicker turnaround"
[tangent]|15:19 Fang asks, "but HOW is that utopian?"
[tangent]|15:19 inky says, "nobody sticks around long enough to get annoying"
[tangent]|15:19 Gunther says, "unbeknownst to the candidates, the 15 minutes are never broadcast"
[tangent]|15:19 Fang says, "it'd be the first round of *'s got talent, forever"
[tangent]|15:20 Gunther says, "and nobody can talk about that because death sentence."
[tangent]|15:20 Fang says, "I think people would notice Gunther."
[tangent]|15:20 Roger says, "I do sorta like the idea of this secret underground resistance"
[tangent]|15:20 Roger says, "Meeting in secret, swapping Debbie Gibson stories"
[tangent]|15:20 inky says, "the first rule of the nofame club is you don't talk about the nofame club"
[tangent]|15:21 Fang says, "personally, my utopia vision"
[tangent]|15:21 Roger says, "I'm also reminded again of that documentary on the paparazzi which was quite a bit better than I was expecting."
[tangent]|15:21 Fang says, "would be that there's one famous guy"
[tangent]|15:21 Fang says, "and it's a lifetime position."
[tangent]|15:22 inky asks (of Roger), "oh yeah?"
[tangent]|15:22 Fang says, "and no one else can be famous"
[tangent]|15:22 Fang says, "ever."
[tangent]|15:22 Gunther asks (of Fang), "and he's secretly immortal?"
[tangent]|15:22 Roger says, "Teenage Paparazzo, it's called, from 2010"
[tangent]|15:22 inky says, "my utopian vision is 20/20"
[tangent]|15:22 Fang says, "he's secretly a statue."
[tangent]|15:22 Roger says, "Which makes it sounds really stupid and gimmicky, but it quickly transcends that."
[tangent]|15:23 Roger says, "all hail borg queen"
[tangent]|15:23 Fang says, "alternative punchline"
[tangent]|15:23 Fang says, "he's secretly ME"
[videogames]|15:23 Gunther asks, "the hell?"
[videogames]|15:23 Gunther | WoW: Vivendi May Be Looking To Sell Activision-Blizzard
[videogames]|15:24 Fang asks, "what does that mean?"
[videogames]|15:24 Fang asks, "just the blizzard part of activision?"
[videogames]|15:24 inky says, "it sounds like it means they want to get out of the videogame business"
[videogames]|15:24 Gunther says, "I would say "that Vivendi have lost it" but they already lost it 10 years ago"
[family]|15:24 Jota asks, "Why does my mother assume that she can do nothing and I can do everything?"
[videogames]|15:24 Gunther says (to Fang), "no, the corporation that is Activision and Blizzard"
[tangent]|15:24 Roger says, "Anyway, it's this sort of mixture of ennui and disgust with that status quo that hipsterdom is all about."
[videogames]|15:24 Fang says, "I thought activision was making big money"
[videogames]|15:25 Gunther says, "since Blizzard has not been subsumed into Activision"
[family]|15:25 inky says, "I dunno, Clark"
[family]|15:25 Jota says, "She's refinancing her house right now. What that really means is that *I'm* refinancing her house, and she's just signing whatever paperwork I say to sign."
[family]|15:25 ghira says, "there is an opportunity here"
[family]|15:26 Jota says, "Because she makes me talk to all the refinance people, makes me write all the emails, makes me explain all the papers sheed needs to get *that the guy in the meeting just told her she needed*."
[family]|15:26 inky says, "if he plays his cards right he can get an allowance increase"
[family]|15:26 ghira says, "oh, yeah, the grand piano and the faberge egg in my place came with the new mortgage"
[family]|15:26 Jota says (to ghira), "The whole point here is actually to save her money."
[family]|15:26 inky asks, "has she traditionally not been a finance person?"
[tangent]|15:27 ghira exclaims (at jota), "but she'll sign anything you put in front of her!"
[family]|15:27 Jota says (to inky), "She has financially not been a math person."
[quotations]|15:27 Roger | I was once called "the Rosa Parks of bowel movements" btw.
[family]|15:27 ghira exclaims (at jota), "but she'll sign anything you put in front of her!"
[family]|15:27 inky says, "heh"
[quotations]|15:27 inky asks, "because they refused to sit down?"
[family]|15:27 Jota says (to inky), "Er, that is not what I meant to type, but it sounds cleverer than what I did intend."
[family]|15:27 inky says, "hee hee"
[tangent]|15:27 ghira says, "tangent from #family also it's busy. met cousin Anita's boyfriend. she's 41 and lives with parents. he's 51 and lives with parents. and elder brother."
[family]|15:28 inky says, "I figured it meant she lost money on stuff"
[tangent]|15:28 ghira says, "living sicilian stereotypes"
[family]|15:28 Jota says (to ghira), "So, yes, if I can figure out some sneaky way to trick her into signing something that will save her even more money than she expects to, I should consider it."
[tangent]|15:28 inky asks, "so the boyfriend's brother is also living with his parents?"
[tangent]|15:28 ghira says, "yes"
[tangent]|15:28 Jota asks, "So if they get married, they have to decide whose parents to move in with together?"
[tangent]|15:28 ghira says, "actually I'm not quite sure the elder brother also lives with the parents but it sounded like it"
[family]|15:29 Jota says (to inky), "No, she's very good at being sensible, but very bad at math."
[family]|15:29 Jota says (to inky), "So she earns money and doesn't spend more than she needs to, etc., etc."
[family]|15:29 inky says, "then it sounds like it is sensible for her to make you do it all :)"
[tangent]|15:29 ghira says (to jota), "no I think that's when they get to decide which parents they want to live on the same staircase as"
[family]|15:29 Jota says (to inky), "Augh."
[tangent]|15:29 Roger says, "Hmmm just how crazy is the real estate market in Sicily?  I'm going to assume: very."
[tangent]|15:30 ghira says, "I don't know that it's that, really"
[family]|15:30 Jota says, "(As an example of her being financially sensible and bad at math: she was just recently completely bowled over when I discovered several extra thousand dollars in her checking account that she didn't realize she had.)"
[family]|15:30 inky says, "wow dang"
[tangent]|15:30 ghira says, "I think it's closer to a "like water for chocolate" type situation"
[family]|15:31 inky says, "I assume you don't have any siblings who can help you with this"
[family]|15:31 Jota says, "Yeah. But it was a nice surprise, since she is pretty tight on cash these days."
[family]|15:31 Jota says, "Nope."
[family]|15:31 Jota says, "She has a sister, but she's not really good at dealing with people."
[tangent]|15:31 Roger says, "I don't know what that means either."
[family]|15:31 ghira says, "my mother is heading for being in trouble. she knowingly moved somewhere where her UK pension doesn't increase in line with inflation and 15+ years later is discovering why this matters."
[tangent]|15:31 Jota says, "I think it means they have a lot of kinky sex."
[tangent]|15:32 inky says, "that's one way to seal the deal"
[tangent]|15:32 ghira says, "I think it means you stay with your parents until/unless you get married, even if that leads to you living with your parents until you are 60"
[family]|15:32 Jota says, "(She had to retire a few years ago on disability because of medical issues, and her sister is out of work and living with her.)"
[family]|15:32 inky asks, "does her uk pension increase in line with uk inflation, just not australian inflation? or not at all?"
[family]|15:33 ghira says, "not at all"
[family]|15:33 inky says, "ouch"
[family]|15:33 ghira says, "there are some countries where you can get your UK pension paid there with inflation linking, but australia is not one of them"
[family]|15:33 Jota says (to ghira), "That's weird."
[family]|15:33 Fang says, "huh"
[family]|15:33 Jota asks, "Why does it depend on where you live?"
[family]|15:33 ghira says, "I think it's a reciprocal agreement thing, and there isn't one in this case"
[family]|15:33 Fang asks, "can she move back?"
[family]|15:34 ghira says, "she could. not sure what would happen in that case."
[celebrities]|15:34 DavidW says, "heh. George Takei has 'Takei Straight Alliance' t-shirts for sale."
[family]|15:35 ghira googles. e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/apr/27/ex-pat-pensioners-upratings-pension-frozen
[family]|15:35 ghira says, "this is pretty recent and seems to cover it pretty well"
[family]|15:38 ghira says, "maybe we should suggest she move to somewhere where she's now a clan matriarch as the oldest living woman in the extended family"
[tangent]|15:38 Roger says, "Hmmm seems like there's sort of a circle of acceptability, at least in my head"
[family]|15:38 ghira says, "it's a similar temperature to Australia"
[tangent]|15:39 ghira asks, "mm?"
[tangent]|15:39 Roger says, "When you're 20: yeah that's okay.  When you're 40:  getting kinda weird.  When the parents are 75: getting kinda acceptable again."
[tangent]|15:39 Jota says, "There comes a point where it's more like them living with you than vice versa."
[tangent]|15:40 Jota says, "My grandmother moved into my parents' house at some point. I don't remember the ages, but it was while I was still living there."
[tangent]|15:41 Jota says, "Also, I am reminded of Raising Hope."
[tangent]|15:41 Jota says, "In which four out of five generations of a family live in the same house."
[tangent]|15:41 inky says, "dag"
[tangent]|15:42 inky says, "though part of my surprise there is having five generations alive simultaneously"
[kitties]|15:42 lpsmith says, "Our cat has chosen these last three weeks or so to ramp her hunting of small animals up to 11."
[kitties]|15:42 inky says, "it's springtime and small furry animals are suckers"
[tangent]|15:42 Jota says, "Teenage pregnancy was a bit of an inadvertent tradition on that show."
[tangent]|15:42 ghira says, "it _seems_ as though both of AB's sisters, who live about half an hour from AB's father's house, go there 1-2 times a day for meals"
[tangent]|15:42 ghira says, "initially I thought this was an illusion caused by us being guests the first couple of times, but no it seems like it's real"
[kitties]|15:43 lpsmith says, "As are the feathered ones."
[kitties]|15:43 lpsmith says, "The two big targets are moles and small birds."
[kitties]|15:44 inky says, "we have this birdhouse hanging off our porch with baby birds in it"
[kitties]|15:44 lpsmith says, "I will not bring over my cat, then."
[kitties]|15:44 inky says, "and the cats hang out underneath, and you know they are thinking "soon you will try to fly, and you will fail, and that is when I will pounce""
[kitties]|15:44 lpsmith says, "Heh."
[kitties]|15:44 inky says, "although only one of the cats is actually able to catch anything as far as I know"
[kitties]|15:45 inky says, "moles seem like they would be hard to catch"
[lounge]|15:45 BrenBarn busta.
[kitties]|15:45 lpsmith exclaims, "Yeah, you would think!"
[news]|15:45 two-star | Hackensack man critical after allegedly stabbing self, throwing intestines at police
[news]|15:45 two-star says, "Everyone's a critic."
[news]|15:46 inky says, "ha ha"
[news]|15:46 inky says, "also, that is pretty amazing"
[news]|15:46 BrenBarn says, "'My aim was off,' the suspect said, 'and I had no follow-through'"
[tangent-tangent]|15:46 Jota says, "Also, it is pretty impressive that Cloris Leachman is still co-starring on a TV show at 86."
[kitties]|15:46 lpsmith says, "We have a ton of mole hills in our yard, though."
[kitties]|15:46 inky says, "heh"
[news]|15:46 Roger says, "Dang why aren't all the zombies doing that"
[kitties]|15:46 inky says, "some fraction of them have to be easy to catch"
[kitties]|15:47 lpsmith says, "So the difficulty may be offset by the ubiquity."
[news]|15:47 inky asks, "doesn't one of the zombie types in left 4 dead use its intestines for something?"
[money]|15:47 BrenBarn says, "I was the victim of credit card fraud and it was apparently detected by my bank within minutes"
[kitties]|15:47 lpsmith says, "Hee"
[money]|15:47 inky says, "wow"
[kitties]|15:47 Roger says, "In retrospect, building all those mole hills in the yard of someone with a cat was... short-sighted."
[money]|15:47 BrenBarn says, "I just went to the grocery store and spent like $50 on stuff"
[kitties]|15:47 lpsmith says, "ha ha/argh"
[money]|15:47 BrenBarn says, "5 minutes after I got back, I get the call from the bank robot asking me to verify charges"
[tangent-tangent]|15:47 Jota says, "(The other three generations present on the show being around late 30's, ~20ish, and an infant.)"
[money]|15:47 Roger says, "Hunh!  I've only heard false positive stories.  Interesting."
[money]|15:48 BrenBarn says, "one was the $50 charge from the grocery store, the other $2000 from a 'variety store'"
[money]|15:48 BrenBarn says, "(the fraudulent charge was also made today)"
[money]|15:48 inky says, "ha ha"
[money]|15:48 inky asks, "does variety mean porn?"
[money]|15:48 Jota exclaims, "It means everything!"
[money]|15:48 BrenBarn says, "I called the bank and the guy said it was from shopgo.com or something like that"
[money]|15:48 inky says, "because the other interpretation I can think of is 'dollar store' and it seems pretty wild to spend $2000 there"
[money]|15:48 inky says, "oh ok"
[money]|15:48 BrenBarn says, "yeah, I was thinking dollar store too"
[kitties]|15:49 lpsmith says, "You didn't need the sunglasses bit, either."
[money]|15:49 Jota says, "You can pick up your rope, rubber balls, cucumbers, *and* porn all in one spot."
[money]|15:49 BrenBarn says, "someone bought 2000 potato guns"
[kitties]|15:49 Roger says, "It's a hard habit to break."
[money]|15:50 inky says, "ha ha"
[money]|15:50 inky says, "potato potato potato"
[money]|15:50 BrenBarn says, "anyway, it's crazy how quickly they can detect these things"
[money]|15:50 BrenBarn says, "this happened to me once before also"
[money]|15:51 Roger says, "You're a popular guy"
[money]|15:51 BrenBarn says, "all the thugs know I got the benjamins, they hatin"
[money]|15:52 Jota says, "Well, they knew they couldn't both be real."
[money]|15:52 BrenBarn says, "yeah"
[money]|15:52 Jota asks, "How could you have been at the grocery store, and then travelled all the way to the *Internet* in just a few minutes?"
[money]|15:53 BrenBarn says, "it must be annoying if you are a dude who likes to make $2000 internet purchases while standing in line at the grocery store"
[gripe]|15:54 Jota says, "Sometimes when this web service doesn't have a value for a field, it returns null."
[gripe]|15:54 Jota says, "Sometimes, an empty string."
[gripe]|15:55 Jota says, "Sometimes, 'Not Applicable'."
[gripe]|15:55 Jota says, "Sometimes, 'NA'."
[gripe]|15:55 BrenBarn says, "sometimes an old shoe"
[gripe]|15:55 Jota says, "(These are not all the same field, admittedly. But they are all the same web service.)"
[gripe]|15:55 Roger says, "Shim to the rescue"
[gripe]|15:55 Jota says (to BrB), "I assume eventually, yeah."
[money]|15:55 BrenBarn says, "the credit card was going to expire in two months anyway so getting a new one now is good timing"
[gripe]|15:55 Roger says, "But yeah that's a pretty marginal design"
[gripe]|15:56 inky says, "Shim shimminy shoo"
[personals]|15:58 BrenBarn says, "it would be cool if OKC used image-analysis software to analyze people's photos, then let you rate the photos on attractiveness and correlated it to show you users that you personally were more likely to find attractive"
[personals]|15:59 inky says, "it could be called a bowserometer"
[personals]|15:59 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[personals]|15:59 BrenBarn says, "bowser blocker"
[gripe]|16:03 Roger asks, "For added irritation, does it also refuse to accept some of those as inputs as valid?"
[gripe]|16:03 Jota says, "Those are outputs."
[overheard]|16:03 Roger | There.  There!  How hard was that?  Now run away.
[gripe]|16:03 Roger asks, "Right, but are you allowed to insert or update?"
[gripe]|16:04 Jota says, "No, just query."
[gripe]|16:04 Jota says, "(There's a different webservice for submissions, but it behaves completely differently.)"
[gripe]|16:04 Roger says, "Ha, of course it does."
[lounge]|16:04 BrenBarn says, "time to go"
[lounge]|16:04 BrenBarn says, "adios"
[lounge]|16:04 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[I7]|16:07 maga asks, "so there is, by default, no way to check which region/s a backdrop is currently in?"
[lounge]|16:07 DavidW asks, "Dare I even ask what a 'mullhawk gorilla' is?"
[I7]|16:08 maga says, "(if not then I'll just knock up a relation, but if there's already something I can check that'd be simpler)"
[lounge]|16:08 maga says, "I assume a mullhawk is a combination of a mullet and mohawk"
[lounge]|16:08 maga says, "the gorilla is probably a gorilla"
[I7]|16:09 DavidW says, "I suspect that backdrops are handled as floating objects in I6, so they are moved to the current location as appropriate and not moved otherwise."
[I7]|16:09 DavidW says, "So what you're asking for might not even be meaningful."
[I7]|16:10 maga says, "yeah, but there's presumably something that tells the game which rooms are appropriate and which aren't"
[I7]|16:11 Roger asks, "Are you moving them around dynamically during the game, or does everything stay where it is from the start?"
[I7]|16:11 DavidW says, "A function, I think."
[I7]|16:11 maga says, "they get moved"
[I7]|16:11 two-star says, "Huh. I'd have thought that stuff wasn't so much moved as placed in scope."
[I7]|16:12 Roger says, "Ah hrm.  Not sure if it'd be as easy as "A room can be sunny.  A room is sunny if The Sun is in the room.  If the location is sunny, say 'Oh god my eyes.'""
[I7]|16:13 DavidW says, "well, I'm guessing from I6 usage."
[whiz-games]|16:13 Whizzard says (to inky), "hahaha </belated>"
[I7]|16:13 maga says (to Roger), "yeah, but it needs to work when the player's not in the room"
[whiz-games]|16:14 Jota asks, "Wasn't the worst that dire chicken slaad someone had the other day?"
[I7]|16:14 maga says, "which will be a problem if backdrops are routinely teleporting about like an inexpertly-coded penis"
[I7]|16:14 Roger says, "Yeah that leads me to think the DavidW is on the right path.  And you too, with relations.  Assuming you don't want to give up on backdrops entirely and go with a bunch of indistinguishable objects, or something."
[I7]|16:15 maga says, "nah, that'd be too big a change at this point"
[lounge]|16:15 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|16:15 * Emily has disconnected.
[whiz-games]|16:16 Whizzard says, "Hahaha"
[whiz-games]|16:16 Whizzard says, "<picture of a frogman with a curly moustache putting on pants> Italian slaad dressing."
[I7]|16:16 maga says, "fortunately there are only a few things that move backdrops about, so I can probably whip up a relation and have it change when backdrops move"
[lounge]|16:17 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|16:17 Ellison says, "hey all"
[I7]|16:19 Roger says, "I don't know if there'd be any advantage to using a region instead of a relation."
[I7]|16:19 DavidW says, "I know T3 works quite differently with its Multi- objects. MultiInstance and I forget the others."
[lounge]|16:24 Jizaboz slithers away.
[whiz-games]|16:26 Gunther asks, "...?"
[TSD]|16:28 Roger | Player 1: ...and I'm spending a point on 'Alcohol Tolerance.'
[TSD]|16:29 Roger | Player 2: (not paying attention) Huh?
[TSD]|16:29 Roger | Player 1: My guy can drink ANYBODY under the table!
[TSD]|16:29 Roger | Player 2: What do you mean? Like, he gives a lot of blowjobs?
[lounge]|16:29 inky says, "I think a mullhawk gorilla is slang for very hairy man who likes guys with mullets"
[TSD]|16:30 inky says, "ITYM #TID, not #TSD"
[books]|16:30 baf says, "There is a specific point in REAMDE where I start saying "Neal Stephenson wishes he were writing a Quentin Tarantino film""
[books]|16:31 K-Y says, "s/REAMDE/Snow Crash/"
[lounge]|16:31 DavidW says, "ah, shoulda known to check UD first: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mullhawk "
[books]|16:31 baf says, "Moreso."
[lounge]|16:32 DavidW says, "Sounds like a horse mane."
[lounge]|16:34 DavidW says, "I like how example 1 of definition 6 doesn't even use the word in the example."
[lounge]|16:35 Roger says, "I'd be more inclined to call this a brohawk"
[videogames]|16:38 lpsmith says, "New games in the humble bundle."
[videogames]|16:38 lpsmith exclaims, "Two of which I didn't actually have before!"
[lounge]|16:38 DavidW says, "'brohawk' does have a listing too."
[videogames]|16:38 lpsmith says, "(Sole Survivor, Super Meat Boy, and Braid)"
[videogames]|16:39 lpsmith says, "Whoops, Lone Survivor."
[videogames]|16:39 inky says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|16:39 inky says, "your reaction is so hilariously different from Gunthers"
[videogames]|16:39 inky says, "er, Gunther's"
[videogames]|16:39 lpsmith says, "Gunther and I do indeed interact with the world from different poles."
[videogames]|16:40 Gunther says, "I'm still impressed with the bundle contents"
[videogames]|16:41 lpsmith says, "Also, this makes my third copy of Psychonauts."
[videogames]|16:41 lpsmith says, "(new, on sale on Steam, and now this)"
[videogames]|16:41 Ellison says, "heh"
[videogames]|16:42 baf says, "They should add Gish so I can buy it for the like seventeenth time or something."
[videogames]|16:42 lpsmith says, "Ha, yes."
[videogames]|16:43 genericgeekgirl says, "Haha."
[videogames]|16:43 lpsmith says, "In related news, I finally tried out the Krater public tests, but my laptop is too slow for it, and it won't run on XP."
[seattle]|16:44 inky says, "it is june but out the window it looks like december"
[seattle]|16:44 Jota says, "I assume that this doesn't mean you have a foot of snow and ice on the ground."
[seattle]|16:44 lpsmith says, "At least the moles are out."
[seattle]|16:45 Jota asks, "In fact, I assume it actually means that it's grey and drizzly?"
[videogames]|16:45 Gunther says, "oh no"
[seattle]|16:45 baf says, "It must be the transit of Venus."
[seattle]|16:45 lpsmith says (to Jota), "Yeah, and so is the weather."
[seattle]|16:45 baf asks, "Also, moles?"
[seattle]|16:45 inky says, "yeah, it's just mega-rainy"
[seattle]|16:45 lpsmith says (to baf), "#kitties"
[seattle]|16:45 Jota asks (of inky), "So, is that different from other months?"
[seattle]|16:45 inky says, "oh, it stopped"
[seattle]|16:45 inky says, "hrm, or maybe not"
[lounge]|16:45 Rob comes right on in.
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[seattle] inky says (to Jota), "other months it's just drizzly, like you said"
Rob says, "glrgil"
inky says, "hee hee"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "(my cat has been on a rampage these last few weeks catching moles and sparrows)"
inky says, "the book came with an onion on the bookmark as was the custom in those days"
Rob says, "oh that's what you were laughing at"
Rob says, "I didn't think glrgil was one of my most hilarious zingers"
inky says, "glrgil is a brilliant summarization of the entire run of the gilmore girls"
Ellison says, "hola Rob"
[onion] Rob says, "the print onion today had a story about a naked guy"
[videogames] Gunther says, "I'd like to get further into Krater but they update it often enough that all data get wiped"
[onion] DavidW says, "mmhm"
[onion] inky says, "ha ha"
[videogames] Fang asks, "is krater actually any good?"
[onion] Rob says, "and on the cover they had him strategically blocked by a crowd of people, but on the inside they had the full frontal"
[onion] Rob says, "well actually the full side view"
[videogames] Fang asks, "what does it play like?"
[onion] Rob says, "I felt a little weird reading that in the cafe"
[onion] inky says (to DavidW), "subscribes to a nudity clippings service, so he kept us up to date"
[onion] Rob says, "in case the waitress didn't know what I was reading"
[onion] DavidW says, "oh really? I assumed there would be modesty scenery."
[onion] DavidW says (to inky), "That would be cool if I actually did."
[onion] Rob says, "then there was promotion for bike naked day in the local weekly"
[onion] Rob says, "I guess it's just one of those naked days"
[onion] DavidW says, "All I did was 'like' Onion on Facebook."
[videogames] Rob says, "wasn't Gunther on about it or something"
Quotations:
josh_g (quoted by Rob, 06-Jun-12):
  [tired] josh_g says, "and it's totally worth it because now I can make nerdy science jokes about electricity and she'll get it"
Recchi (quoted by inky, 06-Jun-12):
  [Krips] Recchi says, "It's just that Stacy is a bit gender-neutral, as is my love for Han Solo."
[metafilter] inky | Help me come up with awesome Ender's Game-themed snacks for my book club.
#150 [tech/programming/programming]  From: marc          Date: 07-Jun-12 12:46
Subject: Lang.NEXT 2012 Expert Panel: Web and Cloud Programming (and more)
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Lang-NEXT/Lang-NEXT-2012/Panel-Web-and-Cloud-Programming
#102 [misc/places/UK]              From: ghira         Date: 07-Jun-12 03:15
Subject: london/brighton
taking Tale to London on 15th of June, Brighton mudmeet (midday, Brighton station) on 16th
#65 [games/computer/Sierra]        From: Gunther       Date: 06-Jun-12 19:09
Subject: SQ commentaries (more and hq soon)
http://guysfromandromeda.com/space-quest-commentaries-guys-andromeda/
#17 [alt/relationships/personals]  From: inky          Date: 06-Jun-12 17:07
Subject: people post their okcupid enemies
http://okcenemies.tumblr.com/
[metafilter] Rob says, "ha ha"
[metafilter] inky says, "the enemy's nachos are down"
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[Krips]/001 Recchi says, "OK, I have booked my brother to be on The Don Rogers Show tomorrow morning. He hates Ben ever since Ben refused to pick him up from the airport one Christmas."
[Krips]/002 inky says, "ha ha"
[Krips]/003 Recchi says, "It will be good to finally settle that."
[Krips]/004 Recchi says, "The person doing Han Solo adventures is named "Stacy." I'd like Stacy to be on the show, because both accounts of Stacy's follow @donrogersshow."
[Krips]/005 Recchi says, "But I don't want the first question to be, "What is your gender?""
[Krips]/006 Recchi says, "Producing a terrible radio show is marginally more difficult than I first thought."
[Krips]/007 inky says, "make the first question be "what is your quest" and then ease into gender"
[Krips]/008 inky says, "also, there are male Stacys"
[Krips]/009 Jota asks (of inky), "Wouldn't that be the reason Recchi has to ask in the first place?"
[Krips]/010 Recchi says, "Oh! Yes. To clarify, Jota said what I was gonna say."
[Krips]/011 inky says, "oh, sorry, somehow I thought the Han Solo thing was an argument Stacy was male (I think I was imagining it was a live-action radio play)"
[Krips]/012 Recchi says, "I don't want it to seem like I'd be shocked that girls are making games about Han Solo."
[Krips]/013 Recchi says, "It's just that Stacy is a bit gender-neutral, as is my love for Han Solo."
[Krips]/014 inky says, "ha ha"
[Krips]/015 Jota asks, "Wait, so why is it that you need to know?"
[Krips]/016 Recchi says (to Jota), "Hmm... I was gonna say that I was going to write the introduction, but presumably we would speak beforehand."
[Krips]/017 Jota says, "(At first I thought that you were, like, casting them as Han or Leia or Chewie and needed to know which part to give them.)"
[Krips]/018 Recchi says (to Jota), "Ahhh"
[Krips]/019 Recchi says, "And I realize I didn't give proper background. This is the site for the Han Solo Adventures game: | http://www.hansoloadventures.com "
[Krips]/020 Recchi says, "I hope that Stacy (the creator) doesn't get sued into oblivion."
[Krips]/021 Recchi says, "Or a cease and desist letter."
[Krips]/022 Jota | I started out as a Software Etc. (now GamStop) retail guy when I was a teenager.
[Krips]/023 Jota says, "( http://www.hansoloadventures.com/people/Stacy%20Davidson )"
[Krips]/024 inky says, "maybe they are transgender"
[Krips]/025 Recchi says (to Jota), "Oh! Thanks."
[Krips]/026 Recchi says, "You are doing a better job producing this radio show than I am. :)"
[Krips]/027 Jota says (to Recchi), "I'll let you know where to send my 10%."
[Krips]/028 Recchi says, "Haha"
[Krips]/029 Jota says, " http://www.shockya.com/interviews/stacy_davidson.htm also seems to be the same person (both mention Odyssee)."
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[metafilter] inky says, "ok, somebody on the thread upstaged me with "Pineapple Upside-'The Enemy's Gate Is'-Down Cake""
[onion] DavidW says, "hm. Googling 'onion naked' shows they've done quite a few 'naked' stories over the years. Not too surprising, I suppose."
[videogames] Gunther says (to Fang), "action-heavy RPG with persistent world"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "I was forced to pick a medium this morning because the hard one was actually not something I could figure out how to do at all"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "it was just 'ashley'"
[DrawSomething] inky says, "there are a bunch of hard celebrities I can't draw"
[DrawSomething] inky says, "and some of the time the people I am playing wouldn't recognize them anyway"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "also I had one pop up that I wasn't sure I could do for the person I was doing it for, but if it were for one of the other people I'm playing I could have reasonably gone for it"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "which was 'lennon'"
[DrawSomething] vimes says, "draw a pair of round glasses and a tombstone"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "like I'm sure I could have stick figured jen into guessing that"
[DrawSomething] Jota says, "I actually managed to successfully draw a celebrity recently."
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "wow"
[DrawSomething] Jota says, "But it was someone who's been a celebrity since the 70's."
[videogames] Fang asks, "how grindy is it?"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "vaporware turned 'bonjovi' into a rebus"
[DrawSomething] Jota says, "(In fact, I think I saved it...)"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "banjo - A + O ---- 6"
[DrawSomething] vimes says, "bonbon plus jovial minus Big Gay Al"
[DrawSomething] inky says, "nice!"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "I was helped by having seen that one before in my list but I said 'I have no idea how to draw bon jovi' and went for the mediu"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "m"
[DrawSomething] inky says, "CrypticCrosswordSomething"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "heh yeah"
[videogames] Gunther says, "It's not a Diablolike"
[videogames] Gunther says, "more of an Amalur-like"
[videogames] Rob says, "what's Amalur"
[videogames] Gunther says, "I haven't, as I said, been able to get very far in"
[videogames] Gunther says, "DEAD ROB"
[videogames] Gunther says, "DEAD"
[videogames] Rob says, "uh"
[videogames] Rob says, "nope I'm still here"
[videogames] Gunther says, "it, not you"
[videogames] Gunther says, "it's an action RPG."
[videogames] Rob says, "ah"
[videogames] Gunther says, "also, Krater is more obviously turn-based"
[videogames] inky says, "Amalur is the RPG by that company run by curt schilling that went bankrupt in rhode island"
[videogames] Rob says, "oh that company"
[videogames] Gunther says, "it's still realtime, but in the way the Baldur's Gates were"
[videogames] inky says, "it's the game that got made, not the game that was in progress"
[DrawSomething] Jota says, " http://grunk.org/temp/IMG_0283.png "
[videogames] Gunther says, "you have a party of 3. Death is permanent, but you can hire replacements"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "yay !"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "nice disco ball"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "and disco pose"
[DrawSomething] Jota exclaims, "Thanks!"
[DrawSomething] inky says, "awesome"
[onion] DavidW says, "Quite a bit of him full frontal in the video too. I'm surprised."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I went to kinko's* today to get some recent stuff laser-printed"
[robmumble] Rob says, "*(no longer known as Kinko's any more)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "the qman promo thing that should've gone out this tuesday, an early version of the 'QMan Annual' cover, a draft of a design for the ebook cover to the sequel to krone that my dad is ebook-publishing soon"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and I was in an impatient mood when I went in and everything seemed slow and I was kind of grouchy"
[robmumble] Rob says, "then while the dude was processing these things he was like 'hey, did you do all these?'"
[robmumble] Rob says, "then he told me how awesome they looked and how I should be famous soon and make lots of money because I'm obviously really good"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and I had no choice but to be cheered up"
[robmumble] inky says, "ha ha"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I didn't even think they looked that great"
[robmumble] inky says, "must .. keep .. frown"
[robmumble] Rob says, "as in fell a little short of what I was aiming for"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but yeah, random encouragement is as good as any other encouragement"
[robmumble] inky says, "you gotta figure a dude in a kinkos sees a lot of comic artists"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I was kind of hoping he'd suddenly say 'hey, I know a guy who needs a graphic designer who has cash bulging from his pockets' but this didn't occur"
[robmumble] Rob says (to inky), "yeah, that went through my mind"
[robmumble] Rob says, "this guy sees all kinds of crap day and night"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and my stuff is literally remarkable looking to him"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I have another random art story from this week"
[robmumble] inky asks, "oh yeah?"
[robmumble] inky says, "heh"
[robmumble] Rob says, "this has to do with the girl who works at the cafe that I was mentioning on #angst last week"
[robmumble] inky says, "yeah I guess that is what remarkable means hunh"
[robmumble] Rob says, "the one who is not wearing a ring even though she's supposedly engaged"
[robmumble] inky says, "yeah"
[robmumble] Rob says, "so one night recently I was walking towards the cafe and she was sitting out in this picnic table porch area at the entrance"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and from a distance she saw me and waved, which was a good sign"
<zarf> has connected.
zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, vivid gold this time of day.
[robmumble] Rob says, "so I plunked down and asked why she was out there"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and she put her chin in her hands and sighed and said she was wondering what really to do with her life and clearly longing for something more"
Ellison says, "hey zarf"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and she seemed clearly interested in opening up a little and having a private chat"
zarf says, "hi"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and then immediately some employee came out of the cafe and said she had to come back in to do stuff"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and I was like rrrrrr"
[robmumble] Rob says, "there was a weird moment when I left a couple hours later where I stopped by where she was working and we both started talking and talked over each other, as if we had both spent 2 hours preparing some line to say to the other"
[robmumble] inky says, "whoah"
[robmumble] Rob says, "anyway, a year and a half ago I did a digital painting of her based on a photo of her she had on facebook. I even asked her permission to tinker around in this way"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I wasn't sure I liked the result, so I kind of filed it away. but I went home and decided to look at it again and thought well this is not so bad, maybe she'd like to see it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "so I printed it out and brought it with me the other night, and said 'hey I have something for you, maybe it'll cheer you up' and gave it to her"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and she disappeared with it for a few minutes then came back to say she really liked it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and I was like huh ok"
[robmumble] Rob says, "then as I was leaving a while after that she mumbled thank you to me, with her eyes looking down at something she was fiddling with"
[robmumble] inky says, "she had to call her agent"
[robmumble] Rob says, "she kind of communicated that she was genuinely touched but also kind of in a state of cognitive dissonance and wrestling around, like maybe she had to re-assess me or something and wasn't sure she wanted to have to"
[robmumble] Rob says, "the conversation was really awkward and she finally said 'I just want to be able to say thank you and really mean it, ok?' and I said 'you're welcome' and left"
[robmumble] Rob says, "haven't seen her since, don't know what giving her this did"
[robmumble] inky says, "man"
[robmumble] inky asks, "so basically you're saying you knew this lady for long time and nothing happened and then suddenly in a week there is all this plot?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah"
[robmumble] lpsmith says, "Maybe someone updated your life with new content."
[robmumble] inky says, "ha ha"
[robmumble] Rob says, "there was one time a while ago when she spontaneously leaned down and gave me a squeeze, which made me go '??!?! :) :)' and she gave no explanation"
[robmumble] Rob says, "only time she's really made physical contact with me, and I have no idea what brought it on"
[robmumble] inky says, "tune in this summer for more new episodes of Rob's Life every day!"
[robmumble] Ellison asks, "orange you glad she squeezed you?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yay"
[comics] Fang says, "this kickstarter is just about to end, and worth checking out if you like Kazu Kibuishi http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/439903302/daisy-kutter-reprint-project "
<Firion> Every puzzle has a solution, unless the designer is cruel, in which case it doesn't count.
Firion enters the lounge. Do you like him? Check box: [ ] YES [ ] NO
[I7] Firion says, "I've got two days left to debug this thing..."
[WIP] Rob says, "I haven't implemented everything I want to shove into this game, but I'm starting to think I should have a few people give what's there the once-over"
[WIP] Firion asks, "This for Cover Stories?"
[WIP] Rob says, "well technically that's where it started but it's turned into an introcomp game instead"
[comics] Rob says, "oh, kazu"
[WIP] Firion says, "I'm just trying to debug my stupid game."
[comics] Rob says, "he's way ok by me"
[comics] Rob says, "oh, he's kickstartering. and daisy kutter no less"
[comics] Fang says, "I've only read the previews of Daisy Kutter, and liked it"
[comics] Fang says, "and it's been strongly recommended to me"
[comics] Fang says, "so maybe some of you want in on this"
[comics] Rob says, "he also had a thing called ... Copper? and was instrumental in the Flight project"
[comics] Fang says, "yes"
[comics] inky says, "oh, ok, now I know who he is"
[comics] Rob says, "I wish I could color like he does"
[comics] Rob says, "yeah"
[comics] Fang says, "also he's nowadays working on a graphic novel series called Amulet"
[comics] Fang says, "which I like"
[comics] Rob says, "he also published a pretty extensive thing at one point about how he went about making a graphic novel"
[comics] Rob says, "which I soaked up"
[comics] Rob says, "I was jealous that he had 2 assistants helping him"
[comics] Rob says, "I'm reasonably sure qman would publish more often if I had 2 assistants"
[comics] Fang says, "haha"
[comics] Rob says, "$2,000 goal, $51,000, argh"
[comics] Fang says, "anyway, you have 32 minutes to buy Daisy Kutter"
[comics] zarf says, "Already own it"
[comics] Rob says, "I'm reasonably sure qman would publish less often but I'd take more trips to europe if I had $51,000 raised for it"
[comics] Fang says, "haha"
[WIP] Firion says, "If anyone wants to check my source code and debug it, I'll give you full credit."
[WIP] inky says, "if you can identify specific bugs you can ask for help"
[WIP] Firion says, "OK.  Hold on."
Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
Ellison has disconnected.
[comics] baf says, "catching up on recap, I do not know who kazu is until Copper is mentioned."
[comics] baf says, "He's okay by me too."
[comics] Rob says, "hey I just realized this is like the one conversation in a hundred where I'm the guy who knows who the guy is instead of being the guy who says 'who's that guy'"
[comics] Fang says, "truly we are a community filled with breathless enthusiasm"
[greece] Roger | Greek political smackdown on live TV as extreme right figure punches female rival
[greece] Rob says, "punching girls isn't cool dude"
[greece] Rob says, "dudeopolis"
[movie] zarf says, "oh, yeah. The Snow White movie: pretty, but shallow."
[movie] zarf says, "make your own jokes."
[godwin] Fang says, " http://wonkette.com/474594/gop-congressman-calls-china-government-a-bunch-of-hitlers "
[movie] Rob says, "I'm guessing I'm skipping it"
[movie] Rob says, "will go see Prometheus though"
[movie] Fang says, "I suspect Prometheus will be pretty shallow too"
[movie] Rob says, "also, just read something that makes me want to see one of the previews bundled with 3D prometheus more than just prometheus itself"
[comics] baf says, "He's an artist in the same general vein as Aaron Diaz. Fond of big weird landscapes."
[movie] mwmiller says, "Since you brought it up...I'm afraid that even when Queen Charlize has old-age makeup on, there's no contest who's the fairest of them all."
[comics] Fang says, "draws faster though"
[movie] zarf says, "oh yes -- it turns out that 2:15 on Thursday is the "baby matinee" for Somerville theater. They leave the lights up a little, turn the sound down a little, and warn people that there may be baby-fussing in the audience"
[movie] Roger says, "Hunh"
[movie] zarf says, "so that was annoying, but I knew it when I went in, and it wasn't too bad"
[greece] lpsmith says, "I thought the story was that he threw a glass of water at her, missed, hit someone else, and is now on the lam and wanted for assault."
[movie] Rob says, "Ang Lee is doing his first 3d movie, and the studio believes what he's doing is so cool that they want to make a trailer that's an uncut scene from the movie where the 3d is artistically awesome and shove it out there with the big ridley scott movie"
[greece] Fang says, "no"
[movie] zarf says, "but I was thinking, I should totally go see the "baby matinee" of Prometheus."
[movie] zarf says, "less scary!"
[greece] Fang says, "he punched her in the face"
[movie] zarf says, "not that they'll do that."
[comics] Rob says, "oh well, so much for that. now I gotta be the 'who's Aaron Diaz' guy"
[movie] baf says, "I applaud this attempt to channelize the baby audience."
[comics] Fang says, "dresden codak"
[comics] mwmiller says, "That one I know!  Dresden Codak, 'sa web comic."
[movie] Rob says, "ah yeah, baby days"
[movie] Rob says, "I used to go to those because the showings were at an early time of day that was convenient for me to go"
[movie] baf says, "I remember there was a guy with an infant in a stroller in the audience when I saw 28 Days Later."
[movie] Rob says, "and somehow, because I knew that babies were allowed to be there and cry, crying babies didn't bother me"
[greece] Roger says, "He threw a glass at one person, then punched or slapped someone else, then ran off"
[movie] Rob says, "whereas if I heard a baby crying in a non-baby-day showing I would be all irritable"
[movie] Rob says, "though it was kind of weird/amusing to be this guy sitting there with all these moms"
[greece] lpsmith says, "Ah, OK."
[movie] Rob says, "hm in retrospect maybe that might have made me seem creepy"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "And, here's the sun."
[movie] Fang asks, "do babies like horror movies?"
[movie] lpsmith says, "To a baby, life is a horror movie."
[movie] Fang exclaims, "do they watch all that pulsating Gigery flesh and think, hi mom!"
[channels] Rob says, "wasn't there some channel made apropriate for channel crossovers that mix up in some synchronous way"
[channels] Rob says, "hm, channel mash-ups"
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[channels] Fang asks, "juxtaposition?"
[movie] Roger says, "I accidentally pulled a 3D torrent the other day"
[movie] Roger says, "It was weird"
[channels] Rob | #juxta
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[juxtaposition] Rob | [movie] baf says, "I remember there was a guy with an infant in a stroller in the audience when I saw 28 Days Later."
[juxtaposition] Rob | [greece] Roger says, "He threw a glass at one person, then punched or slapped someone else, then ran off"
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[channels] lpsmith says, "There's that-word-I-always-forget-that-is-often-illustrated-by-a-story-of-Jung-or-someone-and-a-beetle."
[channels] Rob asks (of alex), "that word?"
[channels] Alex says (to Rob), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that that word is paraleipsis."
[channels] lpsmith says, "Unfortunately, not that word."
[channels] vimes says, "juxtaposition"
[channels] vimes says, "quite belated, apparently, because my wireless cut out just as i was hitting enter"
[channels] Roger says, "You're probably just thinking of my Jung/Beetle Bailey fanfic"
[channels] Rob says, "if I search for 'jung beetle' will google say 'Did you mean: dung beetle'"
Tale has two uneven arms and his first apearence was at Jamie Carpenters house. In the rising and revealed that he survived the fall and made it to Paris and that he is a Werewolves.
[channels] baf says, "Synchronicity, if the first few google hits for jung beetle can be trusted."
[channels] vimes says, "the word i always remember when i can't remember the right word is lethologica"
[channels] lpsmith says, "Ha!  Yay google.  I type 'jung beetle' into the search bar and it auto-suggests 'synchronicity'."
[channels] Rob says, "I nearly typed synchronicity but changed it to synchronous"
Tale asks, "anything finder about aargain"
Rob says, "whaat"
Rob says, "aargain falls"
zarf says, "aragain"
Rob says, "slowly I turned"
[videogames] vimes says, "man, http://brotherbrain.tumblr.com is awesome"
Tale says, "soory"
[cyoa] Roger says, "Hunh, non-first-person Batman cyoa"
[cyoa] Roger | http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/06/07/batman-choose-your-own-adventure-book/
[videogames] Rob says, "hmm"
[cyoa] Firion says, "I saw a similar thing with the Transformers."
[videogames] Rob says, "not really doin' it for me I guess"
[videogames] vimes says, "you are insufficiently amused by animated gifs rob"
[videogames] Rob says, "it is somehow true vimes"
[cyoa] mwmiller says, "I remember seeing a similar one for Superman!  Also in third person, and I *think* also a Which Way book."
[cyoa] Roger says, "Haha, Batman kicks an (ersatz) whale in the blowhole."
[cyoa] Roger says, "This one is, in fact, a Which Way."
[cyoa] mwmiller says, "Right, here's the series.  < http://gamebooks.org/show_series.php?id=310 >"
[videogames] Gunther says, "I am getting both a migraine AND epilepsy from these"
[sigh] josh_g says, "nothin' beats finding out you've had your zipper down most of the day"
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[sigh] josh_g says, "here's hoping no one noticed!"
[sigh] josh_g says, "also, TMI"
[videogames] Roger says, "This guy has a lot of time on his hands"
[sigh] inky asks, "did the kids in math want to do a lot of equations involving XYZ?"
borowski is now is glorious EXTRA COLOR!
[sigh] vimes says, "#tsd "beats""
[sigh] josh_g says (to inky), "it was science class all day, so I'll never know"
[sigh] josh_g says, "I can't recall any student snickering that wasn't directed at whatever they were already distracted by at their desks"
[sigh] josh_g says, "but who knows"
[videogames] lpsmith says, "I suppose this might mean something to me if I knew the referents better."
[sigh] * borowski has joined the channel.
[seattle] lpsmith says, "So, last week I saw this bird fishing."
[seattle] lpsmith says, "It was hovering over the water with wings flapping like they do when they're about to land on a branch."
[seattle] lpsmith says, "Then it would swoop and hover again a few times, and then it finally dove into the water."
[seattle] lpsmith asks, "Anyone know what kind of bird it could have been?"
[security] Gunther says, "eHarmony, last.fm passwords also stolen"
[security] vimes says, "bad taste in dating, music, professional contacts AT RISK"
[security] Gunther says, "I am eagerly awaiting a Facebook breach"
[family] Jota says, "Bah. I just spent the last 30-60 minutes dealing with my mother's mortgage instead of finishing the stuff I need to get done before I can go home today."
[family] Jota says, "Which means I now get to stay an extra 30-60 minutes late at work tonight."
[family] Gunther says, "solution: from now on, she does your work while you do hers"
[housing] Dave says, "so this | http://www.cymax.com/Sonax-Contemporary-Ebony-Pecan-Entertainment-Center-EN-9188.htm "
[security] josh_g says, "dude can you plz tell me how to hack facebook with cmd plez respond quik"
[security] Gunther says, "type deltree /y c:\"
[security] josh_g says, "thanks!"
[security] josh_g says, "wha*NO CARRIER*"
[security] Gunther says, "also, download LOIC and hack 127.0.0.1"
[housing] Dave says, "or this | http://www.cymax.com/Tech-Craft-Veneto-Series-Walnut-60-Hi-Boy-Stand-BAY6028.htm "
[family] inky asks, "are you really required to clock exactly eight hours a day?"
[seattle] Roger says, "Cormorant"
[blokes] Dave says, "so I met the graphic artist here"
[family] Jota says, "No, but I am required to get stuff done that I specifically said I'd get done before the end of the day."
[blokes] Dave says, "yesterday she came by to see the HTML5 demo, which was based on her design"
[blokes] Dave says, "she was in jeans and shirt and looked cute"
[family] inky says, "ah, yeah"
[blokes] Dave says, "today she comes in wearing a dress, headband, and high heels"
[blokes] Dave says, "I didn't even recognize her"
[family] Jota says, "OK, not so much 'required' as 'will look bad if I fail to do'."
[family] inky says, "moral: promise less"
</Yuri> Yuri has disconnected from ifMUD.
[people-suk] Gunther says, "always the height of professionalism"
[seattle] Jearl asks, "how big was it?"
[seattle] lpsmith asks, "Maybe raven-sized?"
[seattle] Gunther says, "it was an albino raven"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "It was back-lit so I didn't see markings."
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "ooh"
[seattle] Jearl says, "well, if it was sort of duck-shaped, then yeah, cormorant"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "I just did a beautiful drawing for limax"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "I might remake it into a painting or a poster or something"
[seattle] Jearl says, "if it was raven-shaped, maybe kingfisher"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "a few of my best ones are good graphic designs"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "I'm thinking of making prints of the best ones, or t-shirts, or something"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "jen has been blossoming and doing some really fun stuff in her color layerings and building a drawing from the background forward (or, 'from the ground up')"
[startrek] Tale asks, "Huh hah what?"
[DrawSomething] Rob asks, "has anyone else gotten something from her that they thought was pretty neat ?"
[startrek] Tale asks, "They're seriously shipping Troi and Worf?"
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Grocible has connected.
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "because I've been pretty impressed and proud of her a few times"
Grocible says, "hey all"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "Aha, yeah, it was hovering like this kingfisher."
Rob says, "hallo grocible"
[seattle] lpsmith | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wP5FLmtMPo
Rob says, "are you well sir"
Grocible says, "not really I'm afraid"
[videogames] Gunther says, "#hib ha ha vw's tweet"
Grocible says, "sore throat making its presence known"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "All the videos of cormorants I've been able to find just having them doing surface dives."
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "(oh yeah, afternoon is when everyone has to finish up working)"
[videogames] Gunther says, "he REALLY doesn't like SMB"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "well, it's here in @recap"
[DrawSomething] Rob says, "good thing ifMUD is four-dimensional"
[movie] Grocible says, "Rob: http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/6-filmmaking-tips-from-ridley-scott.php "
[DrawSomething] inky says, "yeah I've seen some good stuff"
[seattle] Rob | Humphrey: Now two boys have been found rubbing linseed oil into the school cormorant. Now some of you may feel that the cormorant does not play an important part in the life of the school, but I would remind you that it was presented to us by the corporation of the Town of Sudbury to commemorate Empire Day, when we try to remember the names of all those from the Sudbury area who so gallantly gave their lives to keep China British.
[DrawSomething] Rob asks, "yeahright?"
[seattle] Gunther asks, "was it a wooden cormorant?"
[seattle] Grocible says, "hooray meaning of life"
[seattle] Gunther says, "linseed oil protects wood"
[seattle] Rob says, "rock-paper-scissors-linseed oil-dynamite"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "Heh."
[seattle] Gunther says (to Rob), "-cannibals"
[seattle] Rob says, "hey wait"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "Yeah, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YRM0sy3xIY claims that the kingfisher is the largest bird in the world that can hover in still air."
[seattle] Rob says, "I bet you could make a million dollars with a rock-paper-scissors app if you charged people 99 cents to buy dynamite"
[seattle] inky says, "ha ha"
[seattle] Rob says, "quick, let's do it"
[seattle] Rob says, "someone figure it out"
[seattle] Jota says, "I hear Zarf knows iOS."
[seattle] Gunther says (to Rob), "sure, for a down payment of $500,000 I will"
[seattle] Rob says, "just gimme some skim for proposing it"
[seattle] Jota says (to Rob), "You've gotta do the art, man."
[seattle] Rob says, "some funny animations of things conquering the other things"
[seattle] Rob says (to Jota), "ok"
[seattle] Jota says, "Also, it should support RPSLS mode."
[seattle] Rob asks, "what's RPSLS?"
[gripe] K-Y says, "arrgh"
[seattle] Jota says, "(I never use it, but I am sure some players would.)"
[seattle] Jota says, "Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock."
[seattle] Rob says, "that sounds awesome"
[seattle] Jota says, " http://www.ignitesaltlake.com/tasks/sites/ignite/assets/Image/rpsls.jpg "
[gripe] K-Y says, "somehow, the file I want to save over always just happens to be already open"
[seattle] Rob says, "what advantages/disadvantages do lizard and spock have"
[seattle] DavidW says, "Even though I've never watched an episode, I think RPSLS was explained on Big Bang Theory."
[seattle] Jota says, "According to the diagram I just linked, lizard appears to beat Spock and paper, while being beaten by scissors or rock."
[seattle] Rob says, "also, is there a non-copyrighted-character or concept that could replace spock in the game mechanic, or do we just have to ballsy it on out until paramount sues"
[seattle] Jota says, "While Spock beats rock and scissors, but is defeated by paper and lizard."
[seattle] Grocible says, "Spawk"
[seattle] Rob says, "that's like saying the gorn would defeat spock"
[seattle] Rob asks, "hm, WHAT IF.... the Gorn had challenged Spock Instead?"
[seattle] Jota says (to Rob), "Well, it would if Spock didn't have a rock."
[seattle] inky says, "ha ha"
[seattle] Roger says, "Throwing the spork"
[seattle] Rob says, "duh duh da da da da DEE dadah DEE DAH"
[seattle] inky says, "what if spock didn't have a rock but did rock"
[seattle] Rob says, "spock probably would have been all over the gunpowder idea right off the bat"
[seattle] Rob says, "or had been looking to leverage a rockslide onto gorn's head"
[seattle] Jota says, "Remember, Kirk only won because he realized he could build a makeshift cannon from raw materials found on the planet with which to launch large, jagged diamonds at his adversary."
[seattle] Rob says (to inky), "spock rock"
[seattle] inky says, "I bet Olly knows about that"
[seattle] DavidW asks, "Would Spock's uniform shirt have been strategically ripped at some point?"
[seattle] Roger says, "Spock may not have been able to pull off the necessary amount of shirt-ripping damnit"
[seattle] Rob says (to DW), "unlikely"
[seattle] inky says, "or Flourish"
[seattle] Jota says, "And I think that RPSLS is enough of a Thing that you could get away with it."
[seattle] DavidW says, "ha ha"
[seattle] Grocible says, "and the famous vasquez rock"
[seattle] Rob says, "yay"
[seattle] Rob says, "well if someone designs and codes an app that needs art I'll make some art, is all I'm sayin'"
[seattle] Rob says, "one of them 48 hour projects"
[seattle] Rob says, "like a game jam"
[seattle] (from Jota) Zarf laughs and laughs.
[programming] josh_g says, "so here is a video of the monome thing I've mentioned at some point that I wrote in processing"
[programming] josh_g | http://t.co/cVmBtgdn
[programming] josh_g says, "running on a monome emulator because, I don't actually own a monome"
[programming] josh_g says, "anyway now I'm looking at how much cheaper a kit is than a preassembled one, and thinking and wishing"
[seattle] Jota says, "You could make it so that rocks, paper, scissors, lizards and Spock each have a cost in coins, and you have to purchase up to keep your stock up."
[seattle] Rob says, "mm"
[programming] josh_g says, "also thinking, this code now needs knob controls to alter how often the notes change direction"
[seattle] Jota says, "And you earn N coins each time you win a game, so that you normally have just enough to keep playing indefinitely, if you win exactly an average number of times."
[seattle] Rob says, "I kind of want to get Whizzard's take on such a scheme but I also feel like I should pay him a consulting fee first"
[D&D] lpsmith says, "Interesting analysis of lockpicking likelihood of success in various levels of D&D:  http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Emerald_City_Game_Feast/message/7042 "
[seattle] Jota says, "But you have to pay more coins for dynamite than for the other things, of course."
[D&D] lpsmith says, "(for a Dex 17 halfling thief)"
[jobs] Roger | These sessions are important and I ask that you make your attendance mandatory.
[seattle] Rob says, "this could be mocked up as an IF game"
[jobs] Roger says, "Dude, you're the boss -- that's your job."
[programming] josh_g says, "(don't bother fullscreening it, apparently I had ustream set to Incredibly Low Res)"
[seattle] Jota says, "Maybe you even need to pay coins to unlock lizard and Spock in the first place."
[seattle] Rob asks, "if you have five 'card' types, can you have a 3-player game?"
[seattle] Rob asks, "or 5?"
[seattle] Jota says, "You could theoretically have an N player game regardless; you're just likely to see partial ties sometimes."
[seattle] Rob says, "my conception 15 minutes ago was that players would spend to get any 'cards' beyond rock, paper, and scissors"
[seattle] Jota says, "I think you need to introduce the cards in groups to keep them fair."
[D&D] inky says, "assume a dex 17 halfling thief"
[jobs] Tale says, "It'S like this meeting we have thatz's totally optional but nobody dares to not be there, because the CEO attends it."
[seattle] Rob says, "that's an interesting programming idea. what would the game be like for N players; is there a maximum for N where it's still a fun game and there's some success to be had"
[D&D] inky says, "given how much halflings eat, the thief is probably also spherical"
[seattle] Jota says, "Like, lizard sucks if your opponent's set doesn't include Spock."
[housing] Roger says, "Ha"
[housing] Roger | http://lovelylisting.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/funny-real-estate-climb-on-up-take-a-look.jpg
[housing] Roger says, "caption is:  "It's like the Winchester Mystery House on a budget!""
[D&D] josh_g says, "hee hee"
[seattle] Jota says, "Also, now that I think about it, I seem to recall Zarf once saying that RPS specifically is a kind of game that the standard iOS game library does not handle well."
josh_g says, "must go!"
josh_g will call him Pootel; Henry Pootel for short.
</josh_g> I have Futura envy.
</jmac> jmac has disconnected from ifMUD.
[seattle] Rob says, "also, if you broke RockPaperScissorsLizardSpock into sub-'cards', as if each were a characteristic family of cards, you'd end up with something like Magic:theGathering"
[seattle] Rob asks, "does not handle well? intrinsically?"
[seattle] Jota says (to Rob), "Yeah. I think because it requires players to do stuff simultaneously."
[seattle] Roger says, "Maybe you could sell AI players.  Bundled free is GoodOldRock"
[seattle] Rob strokes his chin in imitation of the way inky strokes his chin when confronted with a mild poser.
[seattle] Jota says, "Whereas the library is strictly turn-based."
[seattle] Rob says, "aha!"
[seattle] Jota says, "(But this is just based on my memory of Zarf's post.)"
[seattle] Rob says, "well, so if turn-based play is a strict limitation, can the game still be played with N players"
[seattle] Jota says, " http://gameshelf.jmac.org/2012/03/apples-turn-based-game-api-and-what-it-needs/ "
[seattle] Rob says, "it has to be played much like Draw Something is played"
[seattle] Rob says, "is my conception"
[seattle] Gunther says, "you can give the five classes item slots"
[D&D] GDorn says, "yeah, the Skill Mastery thing bugs me, given how low the DCs are already."
[seattle] Gunther says, "and sell random item boosters"
[seattle] Rob says (to Gunther), "explain item slots"
[seattle] Gunther asks, "paper is beaten by scissors, right?"
[seattle] Rob says, "right"
[seattle] Gunther asks, "but what if it equips a scissor-shield in its item slot?"
[seattle] inky says, "ha ha"
[seattle] Gunther says, "then scissor needs a shield-buster ... but also dynamite to get rid of rock"
[seattle] Rob says (to Gunther), "can you mock up any playable thing that explains this idea in a prototypey, get-the-gist-across, way"
[seattle] Gunther says, "of course not, I'm Terrible Idea Man"
[seattle] Rob says, "rar"
[filmmaking] Grocible says, ""Fincher explains that when he was working at ILM, he was taught that a director should look at each sceneŐs set up with each eye individually. Left eye for composition (because itŐs connected to the creative right side of the brain). Right eye for focus and technical specs (because itŐs connected to the mathematical left side of the brain).""
[filmmaking] Grocible says, "hmm"
[seattle] Rob says, "I like the idea of shields and shield-busters though"
[seattle] inky says, "basically he's saying if you pick rock, you can tack on additional rock powers"
[seattle] Gunther says, "and ditto for the others"
[seattle] inky says, "and one of those powers might be "don't lose automatically against paper""
[filmmaking] Rob says, "hmm yeahh -ish"
[seattle] Gunther says, "which turns the game into a stupid arms race, if these powers are bought randomly"
[seattle] Gunther says, "and everyone will hate you"
[filmmaking] Rob says, "left eye and right eye each carry half their signals to right-brain and left-brain"
[filmmaking] Grocible says, "I do everything with my right eye, photographically"
[filmmaking] Grocible says, "occasionally I look through the viewfinder with both eyes open"
[filmmaking] Gunther says, "Meanwhile Peter Falk was all "fuck you, Fincher""
[filmmaking] Rob says, "yeah me too"
[D&D] GDorn asks, "also, why not just make it give you advantage?"
Jota turns into a slimy toad!
</Jota> Thunder rumbles quietly overhead. Jota is gone.
[D&D] inky says, "in 3e you could take skill focus locks"
[D&D] inky says, "but I guess most people wouldn't"
[seattle] Gunther says, "(this is how EA monetizes Mass Effect 3)"
[D&D] inky says, "hmm"
[seattle] Gunther says, "(except for co-op which makes you even more of an idiot for buying)"
[D&D] inky says, "well, we heard in the original version of advantage it was just a +2"
[D&D] inky says, "which wouldn't give the "skills are more reliable" thing here"
Firion goes home.
</Firion> It's a sad thing that your adventures have ended here!!
[D&D] inky says, "also, personally what I'd do is maybe "rolls of 1-5 get a +10""
[seattle] Rob says, "ok I'm logging the conversation"
two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
</two-star> I don't want you to pray to the duck. I want you to ASK THE DUCK YOUR QUESTION.
[D&D] inky says, "or rolls of 6-9 get a +5, I guess"
[seattle] Rob says, "it still seems like an idea that could work out to me"
[D&D] inky says, "clearly there should still be a chance to fail, though"
[seattle] inky says, "you should do some competitive analysis on iphone RPS games"
[seattle] Rob says, "mmyeah"
[seattle] Gunther says, "I hesitate to even suggest this but it really should be a Facebook game"
[seattle] Rob says, "that determines the strategy of marketing it, but not the creative process of coming up with something cool"
[seattle] Roger says, "Heck make it a twitter game"
[seattle] Rob says, "yeah it could be. if anyone knew how to make one"
[seattle] Gunther says, "it can't be that hard if "Journey of Jesus" got made"
[seattle] Rob says, "yeah why not"
[seattle] Gunther says, "looks like it is in fact pretty simple"
[seattle] Rob says, "there's a lot of smart people around here"
[seattle] Gunther says, "there's even, of course, toolkits that'll make them for you"
[seattle] Gunther says, "like http://www.scirra.com/construct2/releases/r90 "
[seattle] Rob says, "it's not going to happen unless you volunteer to do something for it"
<trikiw> The bad news is, I won't tell you the good news. The good news is, I won't tell you the bad news.
[seattle] Gunther says, "I am so not touching anything to do with Facebook"
[seattle] Rob says, "so what will you touch"