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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
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  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
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  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> So you're like, "Wow, this book comes with an onion!"
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, banana, Anything Finder, battle.net battletags, madlibs, his pants
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, Dave, jpt, vimes, baf, DorianX, Psmith, Jon, lpsmith, Richie, Doug, annabianca, Bishop, Allen, Jacqueline, marc, GDorn, Grocible, Jearl, Whizzard, maga, Marktwo, Ryan, McMartin, vaporware, boucher, Jizaboz, Nitku, Yuri, Fang, Roger, Gunther, genericgeekgirl, inky, ghira, josh_g, zarf
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 3872 lines from recent channels:
[movie]/08:46 marc asks, "wait, there's AvP2?"
[movie]|08:46 Storme says, "oh yes"
[movie]|08:46 Gunther says, "yes"
[movie]|08:46 Hjalfi says, "I am not."
[movie]|08:46 Gunther says, "it's worse"
[movie]|08:46 marc says, "holy shit"
[movie]|08:46 marc says, "(i stopped at resurrection)"
[movie]|08:46 Gunther says, "in case you were wondering"
[movie]|08:46 Hjalfi asks, "How can there be a film worse than AvP1? Does that not violate the laws of physics, or something?"
[movie]|08:46 Storme says, "I dunno"
[movie]|08:46 Gunther says, "take AvP1 and take away the one big-name actor"
[movie]|08:47 Hjalfi asks, "How can you have less than no plot, or special effects that are worse than totally unconvincing?"
[movie]|08:47 Gunther says, "And then go "hmm, people said the ending of 1 was too anticlimactic, let's do something about that""
[movie]|08:47 Storme says, "we were in HMV yesterday and you could buy Alien3 for 12 quid or the 'Alien Quadrilogy' boxset for 8 pounds"
[movie]|08:47 marc says, "ha"
[movie]|08:47 Gunther says, "oh yes, and the person who invented 'quadrilogy' deserves a special place in hell"
[movie]|08:47 Storme says, "we were speculating on which drugs you would need to be on to take the first option"
[movie]|08:47 marc says, "also, wow: hmv still exists"
[movie]|08:48 McMartin says, "Tetralogy"
[movie]|08:48 Gunther says (to Storme), "yeah, I think "I really hate Alien, Aliens and Resurrection but I love To The Power of Three" is a good way to get you straitjacketed up"
[movie]|08:48 Fang says, "trilogy in four parts"
[movie]|08:48 Gunther says, ""Trilogy plus the other shitty one""
[movie]|08:49 Hjalfi asks, "^3 was the bald one, right?"
[movie]|08:49 Fang says (to Storme), "maybe you really hate the Ripley character so you just want the one where she dies"
[movie]|08:49 Hjalfi says, "4 did at least have Brad Dourif in it."
[movie]|08:50 McMartin says, "I think I liked Alien^3 better when it was called Super Metroid"
[movie]|08:50 Gunther says, "ha ha"
[movie]|08:50 Gunther says, "while Alien 4 really is Other M"
[movie]|08:51 Gunther says, "including the baby fixation oh my god"
[movie]|08:51 Gunther says, "headsplode"
[politics]|08:51 Allen says, "Bloomberg: "Is purchasing 2 16 oz sodas too much of an inconvenience to help reverse a national health catastrophe?""
[politics]|08:52 McMartin says, "No, Mr. Bloomberg, it's evidence that your cunning plan is a complete no-op"
[movie]|08:52 Gunther says, "also I would like to once again smugly point out who wrote 4."
[politics]|08:52 Allen says, "but what if you only wanted a 20-oz soda!? Now Bloomberg has you drinking 40% more!"
[movie]|08:52 McMartin says, "Hm, actually, I think that makes Alien^3 Metroid Fusion"
[frowned-elitism]|08:53 Storme says, "today: cull the clothing!"
[movie]|08:53 McMartin asks, "Since that has the hybridization wackiness subplot, right?"
[frowned-elitism]|08:53 Storme says, "(well, later today, anyway)"
[movie]|08:53 Gunther says, "3 has aliens popping out of dogs"
[movie]|08:53 Gunther says, "4 has the ripley/alien clone combos"
[movie]|08:53 McMartin says, "OK, let me rephrase"
[movie]|08:53 marc says, "heh"
[movie]|08:53 McMartin says, "I liked Alien Resurrection better when it was called Metroid Fusion"
[movie]|08:54 Gunther says, "where she's all "ok everyone be very quiet AAAH AAAH DIE DIE DIE BLAM BLAM FLAMETHROW""
[movie]|08:54 McMartin says, "Which did alien clone of Samus and Metroid/Samus hybrid about 47 trillion times better."
[frowned-elitism]|08:54 Storme says, "the plan is to maybe, just maybe, have enough room to put our clothing away"
[movie]|08:54 Gunther says, "sorry, but Resurrection is already Other M now"
[movie]|08:54 Gunther says, "though it can be both"
[frowned-elitism]|08:54 Storme says, "this is going to involve giving away some very expensive coats that are now too big for me"
[movie]|08:54 McMartin says, "I didn't like Resurrection better when it was called Other M"
[movie]|08:54 McMartin says, "I *did* like it better when it was called Metroid Fusion"
[politics]|08:54 K-Y says, "why would you want to drink an Oz, anyway"
[movie]|08:55 McMartin says, "I'm not sure which Metroid has aliens popping out of dogs"
[movie]|08:55 McMartin says, "Probably all of them. or alien murder dogs, at least."
[twitter]|08:56 Emily says, "from my Interactions feed:"
[twitter]|08:56 Emily | @emshort Are you Graham Nelson?
[twitter]|08:56 two-star says, "Ha"
[twitter]|08:56 McMartin says, "I um, but,"
[twitter]|08:57 McMartin says, "I cannot rightly apprehend the confusion of ideas that leads to this question"
[mamster-sux]|08:57 * Fang has joined the channel.
[twitter]|08:57 McMartin says, "Unless they thought you might be his secret identity."
[twitter]|08:57 McMartin says, "Or vice versa, I guess"
[twitter]|08:57 Emily says (to McMartin), "I assume the idea was that one of us is the other's secret identity, or something"
[tangent]|08:58 McMartin says, "I clearly start using longer words the earlier it is"
[twitter]|08:58 Emily says, "though why we would pretend to have helped ourself out in writing Inform is a little mysterious"
[movie]|08:58 K-Y says, "there *was* an Alien^3 game on SNES, wasn't there"
[twitter]|08:58 maga says (to Emily), "to conceal the extent of your tyrannical hegemony"
[twitter]|08:58 Emily says, "oh right"
[twitter]|08:59 McMartin says, "Tricky."
[twitter]|08:59 Emily asks, "...wait, isn't a tyrannical hegemony just as tyrannical and hegemonic of there's some sort of grinning vizier beside the throne?"
[twitter]|08:59 McMartin says, "Doesn't this also require you to have gone back in time"
[twitter]|08:59 McMartin says, "Actually, I think the grinning vizier is a requirement."
[twitter]|08:59 McMartin asks, "How are you at viziing?"
[twitter]|08:59 maga asks, "are you the vizier in this scenario or is Graham?"
[twitter]|08:59 maga asks, "or do you take turns with the turban?"
[twitter]|09:00 Emily says, "snorfle"
[twitter]|09:00 McMartin says, "My (sleep-deprived) mind is trying to do a mashup of Emily with Jafar and it is failing dramatically"
[twitter]|09:00 Gunther asks, "also how good are you at north african stereotypes?"
[journalism]|09:00 Allen | The media frenzy started with WFOR, the CBS affiliate in Miami. "We have seen, already, three or four cases that are exactly like this," Aguilar told the TV station. Later, in an interview with ABC, he clarified that "the cases are similar minus a man eating another"[Gi.e., the single most salient aspect of Eugene's crime
[twitter]|09:00 Emily says, "I mean, um, I think he is better suited than I to develop the curly mustache"
[sf]|09:00 ghira says, "fiasco is Italian for flask"
[sf]|09:00 ghira says, "not sure if it's also another language for something else"
[lounge]|09:00 Rob says, "ghrjghrkgj"
[DrawSomething]|09:01 Rob catches up on all matches
[twitter]|09:01 Hjalfi asks, "Surely the correct response to that is 'only when I don't take my medicination'?"
[twitter]|09:02 McMartin says, "I'm pretty sure the right answer is actually shoryuken, but only because it always is"
[diet]|09:02 Rob says, "I watched a recent Graham Norton show episode where there was a mix of american and british guests, and someone was talking about weight in stones, and there was a tiffle about how to convert this to something americans could understand"
[lounge]|09:03 McMartin says, "Rob, of the clan Rob"
[adventures]|09:03 Hjalfi says (to Emily), "Also, I'm not sure that it was obvious from my posts, but I really liked _Bee_."
[diet]|09:03 Rob says, "it interested me that even the brits didn't quite know that 1 stone is 14 pounds, because they think in terms of stones without any translation to other units, even lbs"
[movie]|09:03 Rob says, "I missed the transition where youtube canceled their 10-minute limit and let you upload whatever length movie you want"
[movie]|09:04 Rob says, "a friend of mine recently uploaded a documentary I made to youtube in its entirety, something I wouldn't have thought about doing because I didn't know how to excerpt a 10 minute chunk"
[movie]|09:04 McMartin says, "I think you have to have been on the Tubes for a bit before they unshackle you"
[MacOS]|09:04 Nitku says, "Here's a bundle with Parallels, Civ V and some other stuff for $50: https://www.mupromo.com/ "
[twitter]|09:05 Rob says, "that reminds me of jacq's story of meeting french-IF people and having the guy (holding cigarette in french way) say 'you know Emily short?' <nod>  'You are... Emily Short'"
[diet]|09:05 Allen says, "I always just try to think of stones as 'one full-grown male cat'"
[movie]|09:06 boucher says, "Really old accounts lack the limitation on time, and if you UL in a pre-encoded MPEG-4 format, I think you're limited by size, not duration, so you can squeeze more than 10 minutes out if you encode at a low enough rate"
[twitter]|09:06 Gunther says, "yay 'in french way'"
[diet]|09:06 Rob says, "heh, that kinda works"
[twitter]|09:06 Rob says, "because you know what I mean!"
[movie]|09:06 Gunther says, "I think almost everyone is now free to go as high as they like"
[movie]|09:06 boucher says, "Oh?  That surprises me."
[movie]|09:07 Rob says, "the documentary wasn't that long, less than an hour, but way more than 10 minutes"
[movie]|09:07 boucher says, "I guess I've not tried ULing anything in a long time"
[movie]|09:07 Gunther says (to boucher), "all the Let's Players have unlimited accounts"
[movie]|09:08 Rob says, "also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5CJ2UDrj2A and such"
[movie]|09:08 boucher says, "I figured that was just coincidence...that they were all old users, and perhaps even took up doing Let's Plays because they could"
[movie]|09:08 McMartin says, "My account only says 15 minutes"
[movie]|09:08 McMartin says, "And I've had it for awhile"
[movie]|09:08 Rob says, "this reminds me again to finish my playing-last-boss-fight-of-shadow-of-the-colossus machinema movie and upload it to places"
[movie]|09:09 Rob says, "I curtailed my big 18 minute student film to < 10mins just to upload it to youtube, a few years ago when the limit still existed"
[news]|09:10 Allen says, "whoah, wtf"
[news]|09:10 Allen | Police in Aurora, Colo., searching for suspected bank robbers stopped every car at an intersection, handcuffed all the adults and searched the cars, one of which they believed was carrying the suspect.
[news]|09:10 McMartin says, "As if by a miracle, nobody was shot for resisting arrest"
[news]|09:10 Allen | We didnt have a description, didnt know race or gender or anything, so a split-second decision was made to stop all the cars at that intersection, and search for the armed robber, Aurora police Officer Frank Fania told ABC News.
[movie]|09:10 Rob says, "the only time being an early guy helped me out was getting an entry/account in imdb for myself before they started being anal about who got to have credits"
[news]|09:11 Rob says, "isn't that kind of 4th amendment breaking-y"
[news]|09:11 McMartin says, "TERRAR"
[movie]|09:11 boucher says, "Huh, it looks like I would be allowed if I performed a mobile phone verification step"
[news]|09:11 McMartin says, "At some point in the past decade people just completely stopped giving a shit about not living in an insanely violent police state"
[news]|09:12 Rob says, "yes, but they're all up in arms about losing their rights when they can't drink a soda bigger than 16 ounces"
[workplace]|09:12 marc says, "in 45 minutes, we have a meeting with a person who's coming to meet us about... something"
[news]|09:12 Rob says, "which makes me want to projectile ragevomit"
[news]|09:12 Rob says, "</gunther>"
[news]|09:12 maga says, "good guys drink soda, bad guys get arrested"
[news]|09:12 marc says, "heh"
[news]|09:12 maga says, "it is all very simple"
[workplace]|09:13 Rob says, "what workplace do you in which in work at what place"
[workplace]|09:13 marc says, "twelve"
[workplace]|09:13 Rob says, "ah, good"
[news]|09:13 Allen says, "they were left handcuffed for an hour and half, the time it took to search the cars"
[news]|09:14 Gunther says (to Rob), "also about taxes"
[news]|09:14 Gunther says, "and gay marriage"
[news]|09:14 Gunther says, "and other retarded things they should worry about less than the creeping fascistization"
[news]|09:15 Gunther says, "and by creeping I mean overt"
[politics]|09:15 Gunther says, "speaking of creeping fascists, Romney's e-mail and dropbox accounts allegedly hacked"
[fourcoffees]|09:16 Rob says, "'projectile ragevomit' is the best Guntherism I've ever managed to authentically synthesize"
[fourcoffees]|09:16 Gunther says, "I approve"
[fourcoffees]|09:16 Rob says, "yay"
[fourcoffees]|09:16 Rob says, "you do have a knack, as I keep reaffirming"
[religion]|09:17 Allen | Norway is now planning to separate the Protestant Lutheran Church from the government. I am serenely indifferent to this fact.
[religion]|09:17 Allen | I [am] devastated, utterly gutted, however, that the news coverage of this event did not include any mention of the politicians who opposed the step. My God, just think of it:
[religion]|09:17 Gunther says, "wait until they come for the buddhists"
[religion]|09:17 Allen says, "(imagined quote:)"
[religion]|09:18 Rob asks, "has the protestant lutheran church been inextricably linked to the norse government for centuries until now?"
[religion]|09:18 Allen |     MPs Olaf Lundteigen, Christina Ramsy, and Kjersti Toppe, all of the Centre Party, voted against the bill. The Lutheran Church should always remain part of the Norwegian state, Ms Toppe said antidisestablishmentarianistically.
[religion]|09:18 Allen says, "(the last word in italics, of course)"
[religion]|09:18 Rob says, "I'm trying to figure out a Prairie Home Companion homespun take joke on the situation but it'll be too obscure even if successful"
[religion]|09:18 Rob says, "hee hee"
[religion]|09:19 Rob says, "last word gets an A+"
[mudmeets]|09:19 Rob says, "I crashed into bed as soon as I got home last night, I guess because I needed to digest the fish&chips"
[mudmeets]|09:20 Rob says, "I don't eat fried foods much at all"
[mudmeets]|09:20 Allen says, "I got on the mud, briefly engaged in a discussion about golems and gollum, talked about the wisconsin recall, then got so sleepy I abandoned both conversations right in the middle and fell into bed"
[mudmeets]|09:20 Rob says, "I saw the golem/gollum in recap. I pronounce them differently as per ghira"
[politics]|09:21 Jizaboz says, "I'm almost afraid to think what he'd have in a dropbox."
[mudmeets]|09:21 Rob says, "also, I first encountered the notion of a Golem in a Hulk comic rather than via D&D"
[religion]|09:21 Gunther says, ""oh yeah, the Lutheran church is SO AWESOME", I said antidisestablishmentarianismsarcastically"
[religion]|09:21 Allen says, "come on, surely you can admit the lutheran church has some great music"
[religion]|09:22 Allen says, "really singable hymns, where you just kinda pump your arm in unison while belting them out"
[religion]|09:22 Gunther says, "I demand a strict separation of choir and state"
[religion]|09:22 Gunther says, "s/demand/require/, dammit"
[pronunciation]|09:23 Gunther says, "I still pronounce choir as "cho-arr" in my head"
[religion]|09:23 Allen asks, "you don't feel a thrill run down your leg when you hear the opening strains of Ein Feste Burg?"
[pronunciation]|09:23 Gunther says, "or "ko-arr" I guess"
[religion]|09:23 Allen says, "I kinda wish I had a big mug of beer and could sing it right now"
[religion]|09:23 Gunther says, "this is an atheist country with remnants of catholicism, not a protestant one"
[religion]|09:24 Gunther says, "Thus I have been to one protestant anything ever"
[religion]|09:24 Allen asks, "not even for the sake of music?"
[religion]|09:24 Gunther says, "it did not include any hymns"
[religion]|09:24 Allen says, "you should go to a lutheran service"
[religion]|09:24 Allen says, "their hymns have like 28 verses, and they sing all of them. From memory"
[religion]|09:24 Gunther says, "I wonder where I'd have to go to even find one"
[religion]|09:24 Allen says, "and unlike baptists, lutherans know how to sing in tune"
[lounge]|09:25 Yuri arrives from the east.
[religion]|09:25 Gunther says, "oh, heh, it's right around the corner from work"
[religion]|09:25 Allen says, "ok, gotta take bath and get to class"
[philosophinky]|09:25 * Rob has changed the topic to: inky says, "I had a confusing "wait, he had *hebrew* on his forehead?" conversation with my fiancee"
[religion]|09:25 Rob says, "have fun with the sackbuts!"
[religion]|09:25 Gunther says, " http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Martin_Luther_Kirche%2C_Linz.jpg "
[lounge]|09:26 Storme was a still life lived on mobile phones.
[lounge]|09:26 * Storme has disconnected.
[dreams]|09:26 Rob says, "also, after meeting Allen and jen last night, I came home, crashed, and had this long dream with Allen as a companion NPC character"
[religion]|09:28 Rob says, "oh, ML-church not MLK"
[dreams]|09:28 Gunther asks, "and then you woke up and your pillow was fluffed and your bed turned down?"
[religion]|09:28 Rob asks, "hm is there still a church somewhere that has the door with nail marks where martin luther tacked up his theses?"
[lounge]|09:28 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|09:28 * Emily has disconnected.
[dreams]|09:29 Rob says, "it was just my messy bed as usual"
[religion]|09:29 Gunther says, "that was actually a mistranslation from prostheses"
[religion]|09:29 Gunther says, "specifically his fake teeth"
[dreams]|09:29 Rob says, "though I was like, 'wow, how did Allen get into my dreamland so instantaneously?'"
[religion]|09:29 Gunther says, "which is why there's 32 of them"
[lounge]|09:30 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|09:30 Jota greets.
[lounge]|09:30 Rob greets Jota
[religion]|09:30 Rob asks, "what church did he tack those onto?"
[religion]|09:30 Gunther says, "the church in Wittenberg"
[religion]|09:30 Rob asks, "is it still there?"
[religion]|09:30 Gunther says, "it has a website at least"
[religion]|09:31 Rob says, "also the DVD for monty python's Meaning of Life has a deleted sketch about Martin Luther being a randy sod as opposed to the prim catholics"
[religion]|09:31 Gunther says, "apparently it depicts the "jew pig" on one of its sides"
[austria]|09:31 ghira says, "this Halstatt thing is pretty odd"
[religion]|09:31 Rob says, "not exactly hilarious and righteously deleted but still interesting anyway"
[religion]|09:31 Rob says, "aw man"
[religion]|09:31 Rob says, "that's not very kosher"
[religion]|09:31 Rob says, "now is it"
[austria]|09:32 Rob says, "which thing what"
[religion]|09:32 Gunther says, "with a holocaust memorial right underneath"
[religion]|09:32 Rob says, "where's wittenberg"
[austria]|09:32 ghira says, "the Chinese have cloned an Austrian village"
[religion]|09:32 Gunther says, "Germany"
[names]|09:32 genericgeekgirl says, "We have a summer intern named Mikenah. I'm not entirely sure on the spelling, but she says she was named after her parents, Michael and Naomi."
[austria]|09:32 Rob asks, "did they have some point in doing that?"
[religion]|09:32 Rob says, "that narrows it down"
[austria]|09:32 ghira says, "expensive housing for rich people"
[lounge]|09:32 Jota greets Rob.
[DrawSomething]|09:32 Jota recaps.
[religion]|09:33 Gunther says, "no mention of the doors"
[DrawSomething]|09:33 Jota says (to jenrexrode), "In response to last night, if you happen to recap: that's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking about with my 'intentionally picking "easy" words' comment."
[religion]|09:34 Jota asks, "Huh, a reasonable discussion about religion on #religion?"
[religion]|09:34 Jota says, "I knew there had to be a reason I hadn't permanently left the channel."
[religion]|09:35 Allen says, "you can't talk about Wittenberg without mentioning doors!"
[religion]|09:36 Allen says, "or the worms that it eventually led to"
[religion]|09:36 (from Gunther) Jota has left the channel
[religion]|09:36 Allen says, "the first low-carb diet, the Diet of Worms"
[dreams]|09:36 Hjalfi exclaims, "I had an episode of my ongoing SF epic last night!"
[dreams]|09:36 Hjalfi says, "Well, more a related series of dreams in the same scenario."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:38 Jota asks, "How many particles *are* there in the universe, anyway?"
[dreams]|09:38 Hjalfi says, "They're set in a universe that really doesn't like FTL travel, and there's this huge galaxy-spanning trading empire using entirely STL ships. It takes years to get anywhere."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:38 Jota says, "Many things get compared to that number, but I'm not sure what that number actually is."
[religion]|09:38 Allen says, "class time"
[dreams]|09:38 Hjalfi says, "Interestingly, the last few dreams have had the occasional expensive one-way FTL gate. My subconscious obviously has plans here."
[dreams]|09:39 Jota asks, "Is that 'like' in the sense that you are anthropomorphizing the physical laws of that universe, or is that a sentiment held by the occupying civilization?"
[dreams]|09:39 Hjalfi says, "Neither, it's just really hard to do (but obviously not impossible)."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:40 Rob asks, "quintillions? way more than that?"
[dreams]|09:40 Hjalfi says, "Last night's dream involved me and my crew returning after a long voyage to Earth, where we were accused of some tax-related crime involving a discrepancy between arrival time and stated arrival time or something, and we were basically drafted into Starfleet."
[austria]|09:40 Fang says, "it's pretty meh"
[austria]|09:40 Fang says, "I mean, it's basically a publicity stunt"
[dreams]|09:40 Hjalfi says, "Disappointingly, most of the dream was spent wandering around an office trying to find someone to report to, but I did eventually discover that we had been assigned to the Intelligence division."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:41 Rob says, "even just the number of particles in a star is kind of boggling, then there are that many stars"
[dreams]|09:41 Gunther asks, "have you read Manuscript Found In A Bathtub?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:41 Rob says, "and then we sit around worrying about how our email doesn't work right"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:41 Rob says, "ah well"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:41 Jota says, "Yeah. I am pretty sure it is the sort of number that can only be properly represented with a small superscript next to a 10."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:41 Gunther says, "it's the evil emanations from those quintillions of particles we call the sun"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:42 Rob says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:42 Rob says, "we got one of the good friendly stars"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:42 Jota says, "Warm, yellow, and nurturing to Supermen."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:42 Rob says, "hooray"
[kickstarter]|09:42 Gunther says, "finally a reason to hate KS"
[kickstarter]|09:42 Gunther | Dead State, the zombie RPG from former Obsidian developers Brian Mitsoda and Annie Carlson, has launched a Kickstarter
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:42 Fang says, "number of atoms in observable universe is 10^80"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:42 Fang says, "according to wikipedia"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:43 Rob says, "and transcepting to venus"
[kickstarter]|09:43 Gunther says, "why am I even hoping for a sail to fail? sigh"
[dreams]|09:43 Hjalfi says, "This office was divided into multiple concurrent phases, different people occupying the same space at the same time. Part of the problem we had was that because we'd just wandered in (we'd asked a passing policeman where the nearest Starfleet office was and he'd pointed at the wrong building) we hadn't been assigned to a specific phase, so it randomly flickered between phases."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:43 Rob says, "10^80 is a pretty big number"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:43 Gunther says (to Fang), "I'm going to need a citation there"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:43 Gunther says, "also that seems super low somehow"
[robmumble]|09:43 Rob says, "I'm still groping around for what I should kickstart"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:43 Gunther says, "I guess observable"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:44 Rob says, "yeah somehow"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:44 Fang says, "wikipedia actually gives the methods of computation here"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:44 Fang says, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe#Matter_content "
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:44 Rob says, "if dark matter comes in particles we're way off"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:44 Gunther says, "like, Rush Limbaugh alone has 10^78 of those"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:44 Fang says (to Rob), "true"
[robmumble]|09:44 Ryan says, "Go with Gunther's plan. Kickstart a modest lunch at Magnolia Cafe, with a stretch goal of funding a blockbuster motion picture."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:44 Rob says, "<cheaplaffs>hee hee</cheaplaffs>"
[lounge]|09:44 two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
[robmumble]|09:45 Rob says, "wow that's interesting"
[robmumble]|09:45 Gunther says, "yay"
[robmumble]|09:45 Rob says, "I wouldn't need much to kickstart a magcafe lunch"
[robmumble]|09:45 Rob asks, "when did Gunther plan this out?"
[robmumble]|09:45 Ryan says, "It was just an offhand comment the other day."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:45 Jota says, "So IPv6 doesn't even come close to enough addresses for everything."
[robmumble]|09:45 katre says, "my friend's cthluhu tiki mugs are apparently still kickstarting like crazy"
[robmumble]|09:45 Rob says, "dang I missed it"
[robmumble]|09:45 katre says, "he passed 3x the original funding amount in the first few days"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:46 Fang says, "haha"
[robmumble]|09:46 Rob says, "also, it'd be way easier (for me) if ghira, Gunther, and olethros came to Austin than if I visited europe"
[robmumble]|09:46 Gunther asks, "this is not Paul, right?"
[robmumble]|09:46 katre says (to gunther), "no, paul's kickstarter is finished and also went crazy"
[robmumble]|09:46 katre says, "conclusion: be my friend before you kickstart"
[robmumble]|09:46 Gunther says, "he could have two!"
[robmumble]|09:46 Rob says, "Paul visited me at Magnolia Cafe!"
[robmumble]|09:46 katre says, "the tiki mugs are from one of my fraternity brothers"
[robmumble]|09:46 Rob says, "Ryan, too"
[robmumble]|09:46 Rob says, "why not everybody else"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:47 Fang says, "honestly these numbers don't seem so big after the bottom end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future "
[robmumble]|09:47 Rob asks, "which fraternity were you in?"
[robmumble]|09:47 Gunther says, "it's far away :("
[robmumble]|09:47 katre says, "kickstart a documentary about having all your friends meet you at magnolia cafe for lunch"
[robmumble]|09:47 katre says, "Psi Upsilon"
[robmumble]|09:47 Gunther says, "ha ha"
[robmumble]|09:47 Rob says, "also it is solely because of katre that I always say fraternity rather than frat"
[robmumble]|09:47 katre says, "thank you!"
[robmumble]|09:47 Rob says, "hm, a documentary"
[robmumble]|09:47 Gunther says, ""$100,000 stretch goal: the friends can actually be flown in""
[robmumble]|09:47 Rob says, "you're welcome"
[robmumble]|09:47 Gunther says, "otherwise it's just sad cardboard cutouts having tea"
[robmumble]|09:48 Gunther says, "and Rob teaching my cutout about the subtle difference between c and z"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:48 Hjalfi says, "This reminds me of _House on the Borderland_ and _Star Maker_..."
[robmumble]|09:48 Rob says, "my only concrete thoughts about kickstarter-ing anything were to have these ridiculous $ amounts (hundred-thousand, million, several-million, hundred-million) applicable to things that actually take those kinds of figures, with a 'well, I only need one' lemonade-stand pitch vibe"
[robmumble]|09:49 Rob asks, "has anyone been cheeky enough to do that already?"
[robmumble]|09:49 Gunther says, "someone's certainly done $1, and the problem with the other is that the max pledge is $10,000"
[robmumble]|09:50 Rob says, "I dunno, I bet there could be a way to contrive some sort of quasi-business/gaming reason to visit austin within the next 5 years"
[space]|09:50 Gunther | A simultaneous transit of Venus and the Earth as seen from Mars will occur in 571,741 AD.
[robmumble]|09:50 Rob says, "clearly I need to kickstart a highly specialized conference"
[robmumble]|09:50 Gunther says, "RoRyGhiGu 2013"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:50 Fang says, "hmm, wikipedia also says the universe can be subdivided into 10^185 planck volumes"
[space]|09:50 Rob says, "well that gives us enough time to land a probe there that will take pictures"
[robmumble]|09:50 Rob says, "sounds good to me"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:51 Gunther | "walk the planck"   About 62,300 results
[robmumble]|09:51 Rob says, "I keep thinking that the way out of what I perceive to be my problems and limitations is to start starting things"
[robmumble]|09:51 Rob says, "instead of waiting for things to start"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:51 Rob says, "yay"
[robmumble]|09:51 Gunther says, "if you're not ready for the all or nothing risk, IndieGoGo will let you keep whatever you get"
[robmumble]|09:51 Jota says, "The tricky bit is to start *finishing* things."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:52 Hjalfi | 1000000000000000 AD: By this time, the Sun will have cooled to five degrees above absolute zero.
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:52 Rob says, "how many results does 'walk the avagadro' get"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:52 Rob says, "chillin'"
[robmumble]|09:52 Gunther | Your search - "walk the avogadro" - did not match any documents.
[robmumble]|09:52 Gunther says, "ilac"
[robmumble]|09:52 Rob says (to Jota), "not anymore, actually"
[robmumble]|09:52 Rob says, "I've spent the last 20 years finishing things and I'm still where I started out"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:53 Fang | The TREE sequence begins TREE(1) = 1, TREE(2) = 3, then suddenly TREE(3) explodes to a value so enormously large that many other "large" combinatorial constants, such as Friedman's n(4), are extremely small by comparison.
[robmumble]|09:53 Rob says, "so now I figure I must start some new start things"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:53 Fang says, "(on the subject of large numbers...)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:53 Fang says, "so, bear this in mind the next time you have a 'what's the next number' quiz"
[robmumble]|09:53 Rob says, "anyway, while I'm still mayor of Magnolia Cafe, everybody on ifmud is invited to have a meal with me there"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:55 Bishop says, "And of course there's Graham's number."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:58 Rob says, "which is what"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:58 Fang says (to Bishop), "this is far, far larger than Graham's number."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:58 Fang says (to Rob), "Graham's number is a certain ridiculously large integer which is the upper bound in some graph theory theorem"
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:59 Fang says, "even if you try to write it in the form 10^(10^(10^...."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:59 Hjalfi says, "Graham's Number is a number. Graham's Number has the value 7."
[apropos-of-nothing]|09:59 Fang says, "you will require more digits than there are planck volumes in the entire universe"
[apropos-of-nothing]|10:00 Bishop says (to Rob), "Graham's number is a number for which new notation had to be created to describe the procedure by which it's done. The new notation is then folded back on itself recursively to get operations to describe ever larger explosive growth. Graham's Number is the result of recursively exploding this operation 64 times, and then applying it to '3'."
[apropos-of-nothing]|10:01 Gunther says, "sounds very useful~"
[apropos-of-nothing]|10:02 Fang exclaims, "well, at least the quantity they've bounded is definitely not infinite!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|10:02 Bishop asks, "It is the best known answer to the question: how high a dimension of hypercube guarantees that, if you color each edges and diagonal red or blue, there is a plane containing only red edges or only blue edges?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|10:02 Fang says, "also, while Graham's Number is A^64(4), TREE(3) is A^(A(187196))(1)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|10:03 Gunther says, "Gunther's number is Graham's number multiplied by 1276116709"
[apropos-of-nothing]|10:03 Fang says, "well, that's n(4). TREE(3) is much larger than *that*"
[apropos-of-nothing]|10:03 Bishop says, "We know that 12 isn't enough, and the smallest number we know _is_ enough is, as mentioned, ludicrously large. I think the 'real' answer is conjectured to be south of 20."
[apropos-of-nothing]|10:05 Bishop says, "Most of these obscenely large combinatorial constants are, in some way, Szemeredi's fault."
[drawing]|10:05 K-Y says, "I wonder if I could just go with this smudgy pencil look for my finished stuff"
[drawing]|10:06 K-Y says, "or if that appears"
[drawing]|10:06 K-Y says, "really unfinished to people"
[drawing]|10:06 Rob says, "well, post one and I'll say yea or nay or hmm"
[drawing]|10:06 K-Y says, "alas I'm not at home"
[drawing]|10:06 Rob says, "also, the answer is always 'yes' to whatever the artist feels especially like doing no matter what anyone else thinks"
[drawing]|10:07 Rob says, "if you want to live in poverty in a garret of course"
[drawing]|10:08 Rob says, "well, check-in late at night tonight/tomorrow and paste a url, I semi-routinely recap this channel and #art to see if anything's going on"
[drawing]|10:08 K-Y says, "thanks"
[drawing]|10:08 Rob says, "sure"
[drawing]|10:08 Fang says, "perhaps you can be posthumously famous"
[drawing]|10:08 Rob says, "that's my best bet at the moment"
[drawing]|10:08 Rob says, "though I'd prefer to be around to enjoy it"
[art]|10:09 Fang says, "you know, I still don't get why Lowry is so popular"
[lounge]|10:10 Rob says, "ok, time indeed to logout for a whilst"
[lounge]|10:10 Rob says, "bglrb"
[lounge]|10:10 Rob moseys right on out.
[diocese]|10:11 Bishop says, "Heh, looks like I'm going to win my long-running disagreement with Shannon over when civilized people arise in the morning on a technicality."
[diocese]|10:12 Bishop says, "She's been at a new job for a while, and she decided she wanted her afternoons, so she voluntarily selected an 8-4 M-F schedule."
[diocese]|10:14 Jota says, "Civilized people arise whenever it suits them to arise."
[diocese]|10:14 Bishop says, "Oh, sure, but when I'm up and potterign around at 7 while she's still in deep sleep, it can cause tension."
[diocese]|10:14 Jota says, "*Un*civilized people arise when they need to go milk cows or poach pheasant or whatever."
[diocese]|10:15 Jota says (to Bishop), "Yeah, I can understand that. But on the other hand, it shouldn't be that hard for you to learn to be quiet."
[diocese]|10:15 Jota says, "Also, I take it that means she's still leaving her toothbrush there."
[diocese]|10:16 Bishop says, "Yeah."
[diocese]|10:16 Bishop says, "Oh, I'm reasonably quiet, but I still have stuff that needs doing and sometiems that involves coming and going and suchlike."
[drawing]|10:17 K-Y says, "I'm still using brush/eraser in conjunction to define things"
[diocese]|10:18 Gunther says, "if I were sleeping while you were coming I would be ... oh never mind"
[drawing]|10:18 K-Y says, "I like this combo a lot"
[drawing]|10:18 Fang asks, "digitally, or real media?"
[drawing]|10:19 K-Y says, "digitally"
[sf]|10:19 Hjalfi says, "Yay, a Cyberiad story online: http://english.lem.pl/home/bookshelf/how-the-word-was-saved "
[drawing]|10:19 K-Y says, "well, technically I work like this in real media as well"
[drawing]|10:20 K-Y says, "but"
[drawing]|10:20 K-Y says, "er"
[sf]|10:20 Gunther says, "typo in url, eh"
[money]|10:20 Bishop | When I closed [a credit card], I was sent a final bill saying I owed negative 2 cents. Then I got a bill from them demanding that I pay the -.02. Calling didn't seem to make any difference as the people I talked to all said they would take care of it. After several months, I sent them a check for .02 cents hoping that would make the idiot computer happy. My next bill was for Minus .04 cents.
[money]|10:20 Gunther says, "yes, well, obviously"
[diocese]|10:20 Bishop says (to Gunther), "Thbbt."
[money]|10:21 K-Y says, "-0.02 cents? #pedant"
[money]|10:22 Bishop says, "Eep, the spectre of Verizon."
[money]|10:22 Jota says (to Ky), "Yeah, the next bill should have been for *-$0.0202*."
[diocese]|10:23 Jota says, "T*hat's* what it sounds like when you... no, never mind, I don't what to know."
[English]|10:23 Jota says, "Hmm. I see merit in the inverted question mark."
[diocese]|10:23 Gunther says, "when doves cry"
[English]|10:23 Jota says, "(In Spanish, you start a question with an upside down question mark and end it with a rightside up one. Likiewise with exclamation points.)"
[English]|10:24 Jota says, "(And it seems like that would be useful if you intend to trail off partway through and not finish the question.)"
[English]|10:25 Richie says, "I just think it's nice to know that something is a question before you get to the end."
[diocese]|10:26 ghira says, "AB and I have schedules that can be 5 or so hours out of synch"
[diocese]|10:27 ghira says, "but having and upstairs and a downstairs helps here"
[diocese]|10:27 ghira says, "er an upstairs"
[English]|10:29 Gunther asks, "does spanish change word order when the sentence is a question?"
[English]|10:30 Gunther says, "Italian does not, which is often a telltale for Italians who don't write English natively"
[satsq]|10:30 Jota says (to Gunther), "Ooh, I have one for you:"
[satsq]|10:30 Jota | Is Airtime (a clothed version of Chatroulette) destined to fail?
[satsq]|10:31 Nitku asks, ""clothed version"?"
[sf]|10:31 Hjalfi says, "Ha ha. _The Seventh Voyage_ (also on that website) is awesome too."
[English]|10:34 Richie says, "Not to my recollection"
[lounge]|10:38 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[English]|10:39 Jota says, "I don't remember for certain, but I *think* that A) Spanish does change word order, but B) the words whose orders change can often be elided."
[English]|10:40 Jota says, "E.g., words like 'you' or 'he' are often left out because they're implicit in the verb ending, so it doesn't matter if the order is subject-verb or verb-subject."
[satsq]|10:40 Gunther says, "heh"
[English]|10:41 Richie says, "That doesn't sound right to me, but it's a while since I could claim to know much about Spanish."
[English]|10:44 two-star says, "Mmm. I think it's something where word order can change for poetic reasons, but mostly it doesn't."
[English]|10:49 Gunther says, "if you had a tell you would not need the upside down ?."
[obits]|10:50 ghira says, "Ray Bradbury"
[English]|10:50 Nitku says, "you wouldn't need the right way up ? either"
[obits]|10:50 Gunther says, "oho"
[obits]|10:50 ghira says, "91"
[lounge]|10:50 Rob comes right on in.
[obits]|10:50 DavidW says, "Just saw that."
[obits]|10:50 DavidW says, "Was doublechecking before posting."
[obits]|10:50 Rob says, "Ray Bradbury ?!?!"
[obits]|10:50 Rob says, "aw man"
[obits]|10:51 Rob says, "91 is pretty good"
[obits]|10:51 DavidW says, " http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/06/06/national/a073828D49.DTL "
[obits]|10:51 Rob says, "but still aw"
[obits]|10:51 Hjalfi says, "Bah."
[obits]|10:51 Rob says, "also ignoring his late life politics"
[obits]|10:51 Rob says, "I just kinda like ray bradbury"
[obits]|10:51 Hjalfi says, "He was rude and cranky a lot, but... damn it."
[obits]|10:52 Hjalfi says, "The BBC did a really good radio adaptation of _Something Wicked This Way Comes_, one of his best books IMO, but unfortunately it's not on line."
[lounge]|10:54 Gunther says, "WEEKEND"
[lounge]|10:54 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
[lounge]|10:54 ghira goes home.
[lounge]|10:54 * ghira has disconnected.
[lounge]|10:55 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[sex]|10:59 DavidW says, "#law Woman doesn't want to get pregnant and insists on condoms. Man uses condoms after poking holes in them first. Woman gets pregnant. Was it sexual assault? http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/103678-appeal-has-social-policy-implications "
[obits]|11:03 Jota asks, "#belated Ray Bradbury was still alive?"
[sex]|11:03 Jota says, "I'd say yes, but I suppose my answer is based on moral/ethical reasoning, not based on what the law actually dictates."
[obits]|11:05 katre says (to jota), "that was my response"
[sex]|11:05 Hjalfi asks, "Aren't there any regulations about unauthorised use of genetic material?"
[sex]|11:06 Hjalfi says, "e.g. scraping out the contents of a used condom and getting oneself pregnant."
[sex]|11:07 DavidW says, "There could be some such; I dunno."
[sex]|11:07 Jota says (to Hj), "Dunno, but it seems like impregnating a woman against her will goes beyond just unauthorized use of her eggs."
[sex]|11:08 Hjalfi says, "Obviously, since you're doing it to someone else rather than to yourself, but the actual *sex* sounds like it was completely consensual."
[obits]|11:09 K-Y says, "take it to #StillAlive"
[qman]|11:17 Rob says, "I am working on"
[qman]|11:18 Rob says, "QMAN ANNUAL #1"
[qman]|11:18 Rob says, "which is where you creatively recycle a bunch of material in a well-meaning package"
[qman]|11:19 DavidW asks, "oh, so it's not Crisis With Infinite Q's?"
[qman]|11:19 Rob says, "there's a lot to learn from silver-age marvel comics"
[lounge]|11:19 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[qman]|11:20 Rob says, "I'm trying to invent some content that can run during the summer, leading up to (hopefully) something brand new"
[sex]|11:20 Fang asks, "this is the Assange case, isn't it?"
[qman]|11:20 Rob says, "but I might make it a print-on-demand comic book and ebook and mobile app"
[sex]|11:20 Fang says, "well, the alleged Assange case"
[qman]|11:20 Rob says, "and website update"
[qman]|11:21 Rob says, "just to see if I can fob it a little more in a distilled form"
[qman]|11:21 Rob says, "I solved the 'this seems cynical' problem by deciding to put the usual creative elbow grease into the project"
[qman]|11:22 Rob says, "also, 'elbow grease' would be a good #drawsomething word"
[qman]|11:22 Rob files away 'Crisis With Infinite Q's' as a title for an idea to come
[qman]|11:22 Jota asks, "Will you be tweaking http://whoistheqman.com/archives/2011/11/29/1214 to retcon the date?"
[qman]|11:23 Rob says, "wow what url is this"
[qman]|11:23 Rob asks, "1214?!?"
[qman]|11:23 Rob asks, "does this mean nobody normally saw this page when it was supposed to go out?"
[qman]|11:24 Rob says, "the ingenious thing to do is to fill in two years worth of material that culminates precisely on that date"
[qman]|11:24 Rob says, "but I'm getting more practical about things every day"
[qman]|11:24 K-Y says, "man, annual"
[qman]|11:24 Rob says, "wait, the text of the page says 'november 29th, 2011'"
[qman]|11:24 Jota says (to Rob), "What do you mean? I don't know why there's a 1214 at the end of the URL, but I assume that I saw that page on the right day."
[qman]|11:25 Rob says, "yeah, I was reading.. 1214 as 2014, imaginatively"
[qman]|11:25 Rob says, "my excuse is that I've been in the qman-universe brain-cloud for the past hour and things are twisted"
[qman]|11:25 Jota says, "Oh, ah. I thought you might have been reading it as Dec. 14 or soemthing."
[qman]|11:25 Jota says, "Heh."
[qman]|11:26 Rob says, "yeah I thought it was december 14, 2014, so I had two years to fill in the details"
[qman]|11:26 Jota asks, "Is it the one thousand two hundred fourteenth thing you published to this site?"
[qman]|11:26 Rob says, "no, but apparently it has been two thousand weeks that adam cadre has been alive"
[qman]|11:26 Jota says, "(I'll wait; you might need a few moments to count.)"
[qman]|11:26 K-Y says, "somehow annuals are back in vogue for the big publishers again"
[qman]|11:26 Rob says, "I leave the website uploading details to Dick Pennywhistle"
[qman]|11:27 Rob asks (of KY), "are they?"
[qman]|11:27 Rob says, "I guess I'm in sync in my parallel 'verse"
[qman]|11:27 Rob says, "also, all of my stuff exists in the same Rob-universe"
[qman]|11:27 K-Y says, "Batman Annual #1 just came out"
[qman]|11:27 Rob says, "therefore, because FTF exists, there must allow time travel in QMan"
[qman]|11:28 Rob says, "and zarf exists in this universe because of BAP"
[qman]|11:28 K-Y says, "and Amazing Spider-Man Annual... #34? is coming up"
[qman]|11:28 Rob says, "I leave the rest to your fanimaginations"
[qman]|11:28 Rob says, "actually, where this comes from is that I found a big stack of marvel giant-sized editions"
[qman]|11:29 Jota asks (of Rob), "And sexy anthropomorphic jalapen~o peppers?"
[qman]|11:29 Rob says, "one of which I put on the light table and trace-inked"
[qman]|11:29 Rob says, "and it got me in the nostalgic mind for marvel annuals and other collection-editions, which I really treasured as a kid"
[qman]|11:29 Rob says, "they sort of filled me in on a lot of info"
[qman]|11:29 two-star says, "I await the appearance of a time traveler from the future coming back to prevent the events of Centipede."
[qman]|11:30 Rob says (to Jota), "well, no spoilers, but I do want to introduce a few more special characters into the Q Man's story"
[qman]|11:30 Rob says, "hm I should file that one away too"
[sex]|11:30 Hjalfi says, "In other news, my new neighbour who would have enthusiastic sex several times a night *actually* turns out to be some sort of animal."
[qman]|11:30 K-Y says, "annual cynicism these days basically seems to come down to the central problem of annuals"
[sex]|11:30 Hjalfi says, "Either that or she's really into growling along with the orgasmic moans."
[obits]|11:31 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Roger has posted message 448, about 'Ray Bradbury, 91', to the bulletin board!"
[qman]|11:31 Rob says, "which is"
[lounge]|11:31 Roger failed to heed the news of his own death and, later that year, advanced his career by becoming an actor in the television sitcom Silver Spoons.
[obits]|11:31 Roger says, "=("
[lounge]|11:31 Roger says, "All y'all"
[qman]|11:31 K-Y says, "you get a special creative team to do a standalone story that's special in some way and doesn't rely on the ongoing storylines"
[lounge]|11:31 Rob asks, "Roger Roger. What's our vector, Victor?"
[qman]|11:31 Rob says, "yeah"
[lounge]|11:31 Roger says, "Over, Under"
[qman]|11:31 Jota says, "I'm eagerly awaiting the story where the Q-Man meets his most sneaky foe of all:"
[qman]|11:31 K-Y says, "and the usual response from said team is 'uhhhhhhh......'"
[qman]|11:31 Jota says, "TKB."
[qman]|11:31 Rob says, "I am hoping to fob in a couple of extra things I haven't been able to fit in"
[weather]|11:32 Roger says, "Big irritating lightning storm raged most of last night"
[qman]|11:32 DavidW says, "My Colours, My Enemies"
[lounge]|11:32 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
[weather]|11:32 Roger says, "Good news is the cat didn't seem neurotic about it, though.  So that's good."
[lounge]|11:32 Rob says, "yo G mcG yo yo"
[lounge]|11:32 Gunther says, "2 MINUTES EARLIER..."
[lounge]|11:32 (From Gunther) <Gunther> I like above all the railway vehicle! I love baseball after! I also cast magic ball!
[obits]|11:32 Roger says, "He wrote some interesting things on the topic of writing as well"
[obits]|11:33 Roger says, "About how he used to rent time on a typewriter at the library, so he concentrated on writing as quickly as he could"
[qman]|11:33 Rob says, "but if I fail to generate this I'm going to make the old stuff a nice package"
[qman]|11:33 Rob says, "in case it's the first thing some new people see"
[qman]|11:37 Rob says, "right now I'm wondering if I have enough paper to print the whole draft of the thing"
[qman]|11:38 Rob says, "because I like assessing things on physical paper"
[lounge]|11:39 Grocible says, "hey all"
[lounge]|11:39 Gunther says (to Grocible), "to take it away from you: Ray Bradbury croaked."
[lounge]|11:39 Rob says, "grocible"
[lounge]|11:39 Grocible asks, "gunther: hmmm?"
[lounge]|11:40 Rob says, "there he was, recording the audio book version of mr toad's wild ride, when"
[lounge]|11:40 Gunther says (to Grocible), "it's totally what you'd say!"
[lounge]|11:40 Roger says, "I wonder if he managed to die during the transit."
[lounge]|11:40 Grocible says, "Ah, okay"
[lounge]|11:40 Grocible says, "I thought you meant something else"
[lounge]|11:40 Rob says, "just because it has a colon doesn't mean it's something grocible'd say"
[lounge]|11:41 Rob says, "heh"
[lounge]|11:41 Rob asks, "what else did you think it meant?"
[lounge]|11:41 Grocible says, "I couldn't figure it out"
[lounge]|11:41 Hjalfi says, "Dying during a transit of Mars would be much more appropriate (also, really impressive)."
[lounge]|11:41 Grocible asks, "I was like, does he mean I should be deeply sad that he died, and this takes something away from me?"
[lounge]|11:41 Roger says, "He wrote some good stuff set on Venus"
[lounge]|11:42 Hjalfi asks, "Oh, yeah, _All Summer in a Day_?"
[lounge]|11:42 Hjalfi says, "One of the most memorable short stories *ever*."
[lounge]|11:42 Roger says, "Also the one about marching through the rain"
[lounge]|11:43 Hjalfi says, "Yay internet! http://wonderyou.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/allsummerinaday-1.pdf "
[lounge]|11:43 Grocible says, "I was bummed that I missed the transit"
[lounge]|11:44 Grocible says, "I'm going to be way old for the next one"
[channels]|11:44 Jota asks, "WT$?"
[channels]|11:44 Jota | No such channel: 'adobe'.
[channels]|11:44 Jota | No such channel: 'acrobat'.
[channels]|11:45 Gunther says, "-> #hate"
[pdf]|11:45 Jota says, "It sucks that the latest version of the Acrobat plugin in Firefox doesn't have a button for 100%."
[pdf]|11:45 Jota says, "Because barring perverse cases, I pretty much always want every PDF I open to default to 100% zoom."
[lounge]|11:45 Tale has two uneven arms and his first apearence was at Jamie Carpenters house. In the rising and revealed that he survived the fall and made it to Paris and that he is a Werewolves.
[pdf]|11:45 Jota says, "Which it never does, but at least before I could just hit the button for it."
[pdf]|11:46 Roger says, "Hunh"
[lounge]|11:46 Tale says, "hi"
[pdf]|11:46 Roger says, "I'm usually either full (one) page or fit width"
[lounge]|11:47 McMartin says, "You may is a Werewolves, but I have an enraged pigs here that says you're no threat to him"
[lounge]|11:47 Tale says, "Nothing is a threat to an enraged pigs"
[lounge]|11:47 Roger says, "That's pretty random."
[lounge]|11:47 Hjalfi exclaims, "I nearly got eaten by a pig in Australia!"
[lounge]|11:47 Roger says, "man, Australia."
[lounge]|11:48 Hjalfi says, "Well, I was in the jungle, there was a ferocious snorting, and then I ran away."
[lounge]|11:48 Roger says, "Oh that was probably just a giant snorting jumping spider.  Which will also eat you."
[lounge]|11:48 Jota asks, "Furious or enraged?"
[lounge]|11:49 Tale says (to roger), "aie"
[lounge]|11:49 Hjalfi says, "That was the same walk where I walked face first into a golden orb spide web."
[food]|11:49 Roger says, "hmmm there's no pork jerky, is there."
[lounge]|11:49 Hjalfi says, "Luckily the spider decided that 83kg mammals were slightly outside her comfort zone, so didn't bite me."
[lounge]|11:50 Jota says, "Hmm. Several typos in this PDF of the story."
[lounge]|11:51 Grocible says, "You could fix them and repost the PDF on your blog"
[lounge]|11:52 Jota asks (of Groc), "Is that a reference to something?"
[lounge]|11:52 Grocible says, "No that I know of"
[lounge]|11:52 genericgeekgirl wanders off for a bit.
[lounge]|11:52 genericgeekgirl arrives and is in the mood for a little smackerel of conversation.
[lounge]|11:53 Roger says, "#vesuvianworldproblems"
[lounge]|11:54 two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
[I7]|11:56 maga says, "iiiiiiit's... the Fuck Off, Jim Aikin Hour"
[I7]|11:56 maga says, "with your hosts, everybody else in the world"
[I7]|11:57 Gunther says, "except Poster"
[I7]|11:57 Rob asks, "he's still active?"
[tale]|11:57 Roger says, "Here's a spider comic for Tale"
[I7]|11:57 Rob says, "ha ha what is that ol jackass up to now"
[I7]|11:57 Hjalfi asks, "Who's Jim Aiken?"
[tale]|11:57 Roger | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/119/035/e4fb381ecd46ecd1689913825f02bcd5.png
[I7]|11:57 Gunther says, "twat"
[I7]|11:57 Grocible says, "those guys are pretty funny. Sort of like cancer of the rectum"
[I7]|11:58 Hjalfi asks, "Who perpetrated that incredibly long, incredibly bad game that they kept spamming raif with?"
[I7]|11:58 Grocible says, "that guy who wrote HamsterWorld, I think"
[I7]|11:58 Grocible says, "oh wait - that was vapourware"
[I7]|11:58 Gunther says, "Paul Allen Panks"
[I7]|11:58 Grocible says, "Panks is no more, though"
[I7]|11:58 Gunther says, "he, at least, is dead"
[I7]|11:59 maga says, "he is spamming the great newsgroup in the sky"
[pdf]|11:59 K-Y says, "wait, they took that out years ago"
[I7]|11:59 Hjalfi asks, "What, *dead* dead?"
[lounge]|11:59 DavidW goes home.
[lounge]|11:59 * DavidW has disconnected.
[I7]|11:59 Grocible says, "Panks is a funny name"
[I7]|11:59 Grocible says, "poor chap"
[pdf]|11:59 K-Y says, "it has been downhill ever since, but still"
[I7]|11:59 Grocible says, "maybe he never got over his funny name"
[tale]|11:59 Tale says, "I don't kill spiders"
[I7]|11:59 Grocible says, " http://www.ifwiki.org/index.php/Paul_Allen_Panks "
[I7]|12:00 McMartin says, "I hear panks have murgous goaves."
[I7]|12:00 Hjalfi says, "Ouch. _Fetter's Grim_ (as 'dunric'). IF Comp 2006: 42nd place."
[I7]|12:00 Tale asks (of maga), "What prompted this?"
[pdf]|12:00 K-Y says, "also, they had this 'great' idea to make it snap to 102.5% or something and skip 100% if that makes it fit your screen"
[I7]|12:01 maga says, "oh, I asked about an oddity with I7's parsing"
[pdf]|12:01 K-Y says, "while zooming"
[I7]|12:01 McMartin says (to Hjalfi), "That was the year he submitted the same game three times to the comp, just with edits made at ever-increasing levels of inebriation"
[I7]|12:02 Nitku says, "My favorite is the year he submitted 3 games, one came in last and two were disqualified"
[I7]|12:02 McMartin says, "That was a couple years later"
[I7]|12:02 Grocible says, " http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/2063 "
[IntroComp]|12:02 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Jacqueline has posted message 75, about 'A Reminder and a Rules Update', to the bulletin board! 'Scuse me while I go and wash my brain."
[I7]|12:02 maga says, "and he promptly does his self-important douchebag act on my behalf, as if this minor issue signifies the flawed nature of I7 and Graham's callous disdain for its users"
[I7]|12:02 Grocible says, ""Strange events such as a Òmysterious voiceÓ that bellows odd phrases to the now infamous ÒInspector FunkydogÓ spice up the gameplay. The pleasant use of color in the text allows for easier reading and better sense making.""
[obits]|12:02 inky says, "aw man"
[lounge]|12:02 inky is only half-heartedly swathed in mummy bindings, and no sinister fires burn in his eyesockets.
[I7]|12:03 Hjalfi says, "Ah, modern net loons aren't nearly as good as they used to be."
[I7]|12:03 Gunther says, "I recommend you reply with "shut the fuck up""
[I7]|12:03 McMartin asks, "Gunther! Where are your manners?"
[I7]|12:03 Gunther says, "also snip his post and put "[shit]" there"
[I7]|12:03 McMartin says, "The correct way to do this is to say"
[I7]|12:03 McMartin says, "Dear Mr. Aiken: *Please* shut the fuck up. Sincerely, maga"
[I7]|12:03 Gunther says (to McMartin), "oh, sorry, I forgot ", nobody asked you""
[I7]|12:04 McMartin says, "Or maybe 'kindly'"
[I7]|12:04 maga says (to McMartin), "it's Aikin"
[I7]|12:04 McMartin says, "Er, right"
[I7]|12:04 Gunther says, "misspelling it deliberately could add rage though"
[I7]|12:04 maga says, "possibly"
[I7]|12:04 McMartin says, "No, the only actual Mr. Aiken I know is a mensch"
[I7]|12:04 maga says, "I'm not sure I want to associate him with Joan, though"
[I7]|12:05 Tale says, "He was a good tester for my game, until he inisted a feature was a bug"
[videogames]|12:05 McMartin says, "#I7 Truly, that was the most difficult decision I had ever made in any RPG ever"
[videogames]|12:06 McMartin says, "Do I take the obnoxious psychopath played by Nolan North and reply to his spam with, literally, "Dear sir, shut the fuck up. Yours, etc.", or do I take the option that references Time Cube in the hope that he will embarass himself even further"
[videogames]|12:07 Gunther says, ""Time Cube demands you shut the fuck up""
[videogames]|12:07 McMartin says, "Nah, I took the Time Cube option"
[videogames]|12:07 McMartin says, "Then, later on, some random asshole tried to turn him against me"
[videogames]|12:07 McMartin says, "But referred to him by an abbreviation of his name"
[videogames]|12:08 McMartin says, "So he set him on fire for his insolence."
[videogames]|12:08 McMartin says, "Thus saving me a couple of valuable bullets!"
[I7]|12:09 Jota asks (of Tale), "Maze or hunger daemon?"
[videogames]|12:10 Gunther says, "I'm just nodding along because I have literally zero idea what you are talking about."
[videogames]|12:11 McMartin says, "Alpha Protocol includes a character played by Nolan North"
[videogames]|12:11 McMartin says, "He is... memorable"
[videogames]|12:11 Jota says (to Gunther), "A video game, I think."
[videogames]|12:11 McMartin says, "And you do in fact at one point have two dialog options, marked "bait" and "shut up""
[videogames]|12:11 McMartin says, "'bait' involves Time Cube, 'shut up' is to the point and includes bad words"
[videogames]|12:11 McMartin says, "I had to think for some time before I made my choice."
[I7]|12:11 Jacqueline says, "I am so glad that I'm leaving for work now and that I will not be drawn into this Aikin conversation."
[I7]|12:11 Jacqueline says, "Have fun, though."
[I7]|12:12 Jacqueline exclaims, "Bye!"
[I7]|12:14 McMartin says, "Exit, stage left"
[lounge]|12:14 Rob moseys right on out.
[lounge]|12:14 Grocible says, " http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13844684/iconic-vietnam-war-napalm-girl-photo-turns-40 "
[lounge]|12:15 jess's tongue says sangria, but her heart says michelada.
[lounge]|12:15 jess says, "hey"
[I7]|12:15 Hjalfi says, "Apparently Jim Aikin has a character here, midiguru. I don't think I've ever seen him."
[lounge]|12:15 zaphod goes home.
[lounge]|12:15 * zaphod has disconnected.
[lounge]|12:16 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[I7]|12:16 Hjalfi says, "Hmm, member since 11-May-07, last logout 26-aug-07..."
[satsq]|12:16 * jess has joined the channel.
[pdf]|12:16 * jess has joined the channel.
[UK]|12:17 Grocible says, " https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/600094_10151005592798834_903619020_n.jpg "
[UK]|12:17 inky says, "ha ha"
[iPhone]|12:17 jess says, "just downloaded a new MUD app for my phone. I think it'll be pretty decent once I fully understand it."
[UK]|12:18 inky says, "this is a subset of the men in black theory of aliens, which is that anyone wearing an unusual hat has a head shaped like that"
[iPhone]|12:20 K-Y asks, "a new one?"
[iPhone]|12:21 K-Y says, "is there any indication that this might be competent"
[iPhone]|12:23 jess says, "well, new to me. would be nice if I had quick access to symbols, e.g. #"
[iPhone]|12:24 jess says, "also it appears the semicolon shortcut returns an invalid command. hmm"
[iPhone]|12:24 jess says, "oh lovely. it eats semicolons"
[iPhone]|12:25 jess says, "well, shitsnacks."
[lounge]|12:25 jess says, "brb"
[lounge]|12:25 jess doesn't want a large Farva.  She wants a goddamn liter of cola!
[videogames]|12:26 Gunther asks, "which character?"
[iPhone]|12:26 inky says, "it might be one of the ones that uses ; to indicate a line break"
[news]|12:27 boucher | Mubarak's health reported worsening after prison sentence
[news]|12:27 Gunther says, "oh REALLY"
[news]|12:27 Gunther says, "the poor, poor old frail man, too frail for a prison sentence"
[news]|12:27 Gunther says, "fuck him"
[news]|12:27 boucher says, "What is it with despots and suddenly going into rapid decline the moment they are put on trial/sentenced to prison?  It's like they have a slow-acting poison suicide tooth just for this sort of thing."
[news]|12:27 Gunther says, "it's called faking"
[news]|12:28 Gunther says, "it also applies to bankers"
[news]|12:28 boucher asks, "You think they're all still at large somewhere?"
[news]|12:28 Gunther asks, "hm?"
[videogames]|12:28 K-Y says, "it's Heck"
[videogames]|12:29 Gunther says, "Stephen Heck"
[news]|12:29 boucher says, "Well, faking is all well and good, but I mean...it usually fairly rapidly leads to death."
[news]|12:29 inky says, "sure, fake death"
[news]|12:29 boucher says, "So unless you're insinuating that the death is faked too, I'm inclined to call it as real as any other illness."
[news]|12:29 Gunther says, "Helmut Elsner has had "worsening health" for the last 4 years of his sentence"
[movie]|12:29 Grocible says, "this new Hobbit production video is great"
[news]|12:29 inky says, "then they have the burial, the henchmen come and dig up the coffin, and they're spirited away to live out their days in some tropical country"
[movie]|12:29 Grocible says, "all these relaxed no-nonsense Kiwis"
[news]|12:29 Gunther says, "(he's still alive, just trying over and over to get out of prison and being denied)"
[news]|12:30 Gunther says, "(he is the banker I mean)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:30 Bishop asks, "Gah, when did 8.5x11 one-sided black and white copies become so expensive?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:31 inky asks, "how much are they? 5c?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:31 Bishop says, "10c is the cheapest I've found."
[news]|12:31 boucher says, "Well, that's one thing, but I just see so many war criminals who suddenly turn ill and die...it's as if the blood of the innocent really was sustaining them, and once they're captured, they just shrivel up."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:32 inky says, "that does seem pretty pricey"
[news]|12:32 K-Y says, "well, there's always fear"
[videogames]|12:32 McMartin says, "Don't call him Steve"
[writing]|12:32 Hjalfi says, "#religion Okay, research question."
[news]|12:32 maga says, "well, also it generally takes decades to catch them, and they're just old"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:32 inky says, "maybe it's the thing where people don't usually need it, so when they do, it's an emergency and they have to pay"
[writing]|12:32 Hjalfi asks, "Is there any tradition of life-after-death stories in Christian mythology? i.e., the soul's journey through hell, purgatory, and heaven?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:32 inky asks, "like normally someone in your position would use the department copier, wouldn't they?"
[news]|12:32 inky says, "hmm"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:32 Bishop says, "Sure, but this is a personal job."
[writing]|12:33 lpsmith asks, "Besides Dante?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:33 inky says, "I think normally that would not stop people"
[writing]|12:33 maga asks (of lpsmith), "is Dante actually dead?"
[news]|12:33 inky says, "I bet that for most dictators their public appearances are heavily stage-managed and televised to show their good sides and makeup on their wrinkles and stuff"
[writing]|12:33 Hjalfi says, "Dante didn't really follow a single soul."
[news]|12:33 boucher says, "Yeah, that's true at least"
[news]|12:33 inky says, "so it's like looking at mugshots of arrested celebrities"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:34 Bishop says (to inky), "Eh, I don't want to abuse our resources."
[news]|12:34 boucher says, "There's a lot one can do with Wizard of Ozzery"
[writing]|12:34 maga says, "the Divine Comedy seems to me to be more in the Greek tradition of the hero's journey through the underworld, but I'm not really familiar with the ending"
[writing]|12:34 Hjalfi says, "Hmm. I'm really aiming at Christian, but since they stole a lot of their mythology from the Greeks, that might work too..."
[writing]|12:34 lpsmith says, "I guess there's Lewis's 'The Great Divorce'."
[writing]|12:35 lpsmith says, "Though that's not really a tradition as much as it is a single example."
[writing]|12:35 Hjalfi says, "Plus, it's mostly his own beliefs and theories, which are... not really standard."
[writing]|12:36 maga says (to Hjalfi), "well, the Greeks are pretty much of the opinion that you don't really have a story once you're dead"
[writing]|12:37 maga says, "the underworld stories are all about a living guy who ventures down there with the intention of getting out again, which is a different proposition"
[writing]|12:37 Hjalfi says, "I'm aiming for a story that's really heavy on the symbolism --- obviously, since it's set after death --- so I would rather like a standard plot framework to push the protagonist through."
[writing]|12:37 Hjalfi says, "I was deeply impressed by Niven & Pournelle's _Inferno_."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:38 Bishop says, "Huh. The public library doesn't have photocopiers. I remember as a child our local library had a 5c machine (I also remember copy shops having 3c in bulk)."
[writing]|12:38 maga says, "the Egyptians were the ones who were really keen on detailed afterlife stories"
[writing]|12:38 Hjalfi says, "Hmm. There's a thought."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:38 Bishop says, "Tempting to just run off several copies on my printer at home (which is technically also a university resource shut up I'm not listening)."
[writing]|12:38 lpsmith says, "Yeah, all I can think of that might possibly work is the ghost story tradition where the ghost has to right some wrong or something."
[writing]|12:39 lpsmith says, "Like maybe Jacob Marley."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:39 K-Y says, "I assume that at some point people figured out that some books were cheaper to photocopy in full at the public library"
[writing]|12:39 lpsmith says, "(who isobviously not the protagonist either)"
[writing]|12:39 Hjalfi says, "Oo. I might be able to make that work. It's well enough known to be famiar to the readers, while generic enough to fit my story around."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:39 K-Y says, "in fact I'm sure I heard a story about that once"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:39 Bishop says, "Photocopying a book in full is a pain in the ass. And it's not _much_ cheaper."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:40 Bishop says, "Somewhere I have a photocopy of Hurwitz's _Vorlesungen ueber die Zahlentheorie der Quaternionen_ that I made, and it was a pain to make. And I only did that because it's out of print."
[writing]|12:40 Hjalfi asks, "Does traditional Christian mythology allows souls in Hell to be redeemed, or is that a modern add-on?"
[lounge]|12:41 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|12:41 ghira says, "meep"
[writing]|12:41 lpsmith says, "I am under the impression that it is an old minority opinion."
[writing]|12:41 maga says, "depends on your denomination, I think, but mostly no"
[lounge]|12:41 josh_g is protected by public incredulity.
[lounge]|12:41 josh_g says, "hi"
[writing]|12:42 lpsmith says, "MacDonald had that view, for instance."
[writing]|12:42 inky |In the early church, especially from the third century on, ecclesiastic authorities allowed a confessor or a Christian awaiting martyrdom to intercede for another Christian in order to shorten the other's canonical penance
[writing]|12:42 maga says, "look up universal reconciliation"
[writing]|12:43 lpsmith says, "There was the practice os selling indulgences so that your relative could get out of purgatory."
[writing]|12:43 Hjalfi says, "Ah. Hm."
[writing]|12:43 lpsmith says, "(but that was purgatory, not hell)"
[writing]|12:43 Hjalfi says, "(I like the idea of being able to get out of hell itself because it's so much more useful for plot purposes...)"
[writing]|12:44 lpsmith says, "Yeah, that's the universal reconciliation of MacDonald et al.  Lilith has it."
[writing]|12:45 maga says, "I'm seeing something here about how in Orthodox Christianity hell is more like purgatory, but I dunno how reliable that is"
[writing]|12:45 lpsmith asks, "Like Greek orthodox?"
[writing]|12:45 Hjalfi asks, "Oh, *that* George MacDonald?"
[writing]|12:45 lpsmith says (to Hj), "Right."
[writing]|12:46 maga says (to lpsmith), "Eastern Orthodox, yes"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:46 Bishop says, "I guess I _might_ run some of them off here. Feel bad about doing it, though."
[writing]|12:46 lpsmith says, "That sounds feasible, but I also don't know, yeah."
[writing]|12:47 maga says, "although "no Ecumenical council accepted by the Eastern Orthodox church has formulated doctrine on Hell""
[writing]|12:47 maga says, "so the answer is 'whatever you want, I guess'"
[writing]|12:47 lpsmith says, "'I guess you can figure that out when you're dead'"
[writing]|12:49 Hjalfi says, "Huh, I should read _Lilith_."
[writing]|12:49 lpsmith says, "I remember that I liked it, but I don't remember many plot details."
[lounge]|12:51 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, pale violet this time of day.
[writing]|12:53 Hjalfi says, "Hm."
[writing]|12:53 Hjalfi | In 1206, a peasant named Thurkhill in England claimed that Saint Julian took him on a tour of Purgatory. He gave precise details, including descriptions of Purgatory's torture chambers...
[writing]|12:54 inky says, "it's pretty cool that his name was Thurkhill"
[writing]|12:54 lpsmith | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_reconciliation if you haven't looked at that already.
[writing]|12:55 Hjalfi says, "Yup, looked there."
[writing]|12:55 Hjalfi says, "Unfortunately the idea is too recent to have spawned the rich vein of folk legend I was rather hoping for."
[writing]|12:56 lpsmith says, "Heh."
[writing]|12:57 lpsmith says, "You could always make up the right vein of folk legend."
[writing]|12:58 Hjalfi says, "Hm. Judaism sends people to Gehenna as a matter of course, where souls stay for up to a year before moving on. Or, er, extinction if you're too sinful."
[writing]|12:58 maga asks (of Hjalfi), "is that universally accepted?"
[writing]|12:59 Hjalfi says, "I'm just reading the wikipedia article on Purgatory."
[writing]|12:59 maga says, "I was under the impression that Judaism allowed for a pretty wide range of opinions on the afterlife, and didn't place a strong emphasis on it anyway"
[writing]|13:00 maga says, "(like, the reason why the Saduccees had so much fun posing Jesus stumpers about the afterlife was because they didn't really believe in an afterlife)"
[writing]|13:00 zarf says, "nobody ever brought up Gehenna in my Jewish school"
[writing]|13:00 Roger says, "The undiscovered country whence no traveller returns"
[writing]|13:01 zarf says, "dead people go to Heaven, was the "mainstream" understanding as I got it."
[writing]|13:01 Roger says, "It's right under the Castle"
[writing]|13:01 vimes says, ""you pass through a door and there's something horrible on the other side" "well, i guess that depends on which way you're travelling""
[books]|13:02 baf says, "Me read REAMDE"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:03 Fang says, "if you are wearing a space suit, but not in space"
[youtube]|13:03 lpsmith | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:03 Fang says, "and you talk with the helmet on"
[books]|13:03 vimes says, "i can't tell if that's past or present tense"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:03 Fang asks, "can you be heard outside it?"
[youtube]|13:03 lpsmith says, "Vertical Video Syndrome:  A PSA"
[writing]|13:03 Roger says, "Also the recentish Jim Butcher book, Ghost Story, kinda covers this ground, I think (I sorta missed the start of this conversation)"
[writing]|13:03 Hjalfi says, "SPOILERS."
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:03 inky says, "it depends how loud you talk, I imagine"
[books]|13:03 Roger says, "HULK NO NEED TEMPORAL INDICATORS"
[books]|13:03 baf says, "It turns out that one of the central themes of the book is the tension between author control and player control"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:04 inky asks, "like this seems like roughly the same question as "if you talk inside a phonebooth, can you be heard outside"?"
[writing]|13:04 Roger says, "Insofar in that it's a Story about a Ghost, is all I mean to say."
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:04 Fang says, "a phone booth is rarely airtight, though"
[books]|13:04 baf says, "and between players wanting to be told a story and wanting to make their own story"
[writing]|13:04 Hjalfi exclaims, "Anyway, must go. Thanks!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:04 lpsmith exclaims (at inky), "I think that's the whole point!"
[lounge]|13:04 Hjalfi enthusiastically mundanifies between spasms of personality-occultism and off-topic casual/social-leveraging.
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:04 vimes says, "The Airtight Phonebooth is the next in the series of phonebooth-related IF protagonist deaths"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:04 Roger says, "I imagine there'd be a lot of attenuation but something would come out"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:05 Roger says, "Like those guys in old-timey deep-sea-diving suits"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:05 Fang asks, "secondly, how would you denote that sort of muffled sound in, say, a comic?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:05 vimes says, "i have a bell sealed and suspended in a glass globe full of some noble gas"
[books]|13:05 baf says, "So anyway, that's why we still read Neal Stephenson. Because he writes books about issues that we're used to seeing only in online discussions and panels at PAX and GDC."
[writing]|13:05 josh_g says, "belated, but from what I've heard recently I think the Eastern Orthodox thing on Hell is in fact purgatory-ish"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:05 vimes says, "you can hear it, but it sounds ghostly and fake"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:06 inky says, "cool"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:06 Roger says, "Print it really faintly"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:06 vimes asks (of Fang), "small, semi-transparent letters?"
[writing]|13:06 josh_g says, "although more in the sense of "God doesn't give up on saving you" rather than "Here's how long you need to be tortured for before I'll let you in""
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:06 inky says, "draw a big speech bubble with small capital letters inside"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:06 inky says, "(surrounded by a bunch of whitespace)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:06 vimes says, "if you stick the globe up against your ear and shake it, though, all of a sudden it sounds huge and encompassing and ghostly and fake"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:06 Roger says, "I wouldn't be upset with <indistinguishable> I don't think"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:07 inky says, "well, it depends if for purposes of the comic the reader needs to know what they're saying or not"
[band-name]|13:07 Roger says, "The Bells of Argon"
[band-name]|13:07 inky says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:07 Roger says, "Indeed"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:07 Fang says, "yeah"
[writing]|13:07 maga says, "hunh, in Swedenborgian thought evil people can go to heaven whenever they want"
[obits]|13:07 Ellison says, "dang, Richard dawson and Ray Bradbury. this is what I get for going away awhile."
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:07 Fang says, "I'm assuming that if the character is shouting"
[writing]|13:07 maga says, "they just wouldn't enjoy it"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:07 Roger says, "So one might recall that a few days ago I forgot my wallet and decided to ride dirty on transit"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:07 Fang says, "they can, eventually, be understood"
[writing]|13:08 vimes says, "hm, that's an interesting idea"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:08 Roger says, "Who got busted by the transit police?  This guy."
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:08 Roger says, "Fortunately I rolled high on Socializing (City Workers) so I got off with a warning"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:08 Fang says, "you should have hid in the loo"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:08 vimes says, "they see you rollin', they hatin'"
[obits]|13:08 inky says, "Everybody Dies"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:08 inky says (to Roger), "hee hee"
[writing]|13:08 Roger says, "That's a little bit like No Exit"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:08 inky says, "also, dang"
[obits]|13:09 vimes says, "Nobody Dies But You"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:09 baf says, "A phone booth is to some extent engineered to be soundproof. If a spacesuit has the same property, which it may very well, it's accidental."
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:09 Roger says, "These trains have no loo"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:09 Roger says, "They are looless"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:09 inky says, "here on the light rail you can not have your badge once a year"
[obits]|13:09 vimes says, "You're A Naughty Boy And That's Pure Concentrated Evil Soul Coming Out The Back Of You"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:09 inky says, "or get nabbed for it, I guess I should say"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:09 inky says, "and they copy down your driver's license and let you off with a warning"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:09 Roger says, "Oh hunh"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:09 inky says, "I am not quite sure what happens if you say you don't have your license"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:10 inky says, "as if you'd, say, forgotten your wallet"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:10 Roger says, "Make the ticket out to me, Jablome, first name Heywood."
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:10 Bishop says, "#belated Surely the entire point of a phone booth is to be heard by people outside of the phone booth."
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:10 inky says, "ha ha"
[Boston]|13:11 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Ellison has posted message 152, about 'Ellison in Boston tomorrow (Thursday) and Friday', to the bulletin board! Imminent death of retina predicted! What, this is news?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:12 Roger says, "Now with the new amazing taciphone you can be silent anywhere"
[i-am-an-idiot]|13:13 Roger says, "I /almost/ forgot to buy the pass yesterday too, but fortunately remembered at the last moment."
[Boston]|13:13 zarf says, "hrm, I'm kinda poor too"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:14 baf says, "Also, even just wearing a non-airtight papier mache mask can muffle the voice considerably."
[overheard]|13:14 Roger | I remember last year you were talking about surveying, and using... triple stuff.
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:14 Roger says, "Or amplify your voice, if it's so constructed"
[Boston]|13:15 Ellison says (to zarf), "you're in Cambridge, right? I'll be staying at my brother's so I'd be happy to meet up at one of those nearby coffee places, if you'd be up for that, too"
[Boston]|13:15 zarf says, "I'm in Medford but can take teh T to Cambridge"
[Boston]|13:15 Ellison says, "ah yes"
[space]|13:16 lpsmith says, "This is a pretty good picture of the transit of venus:  https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/600146_10150815912487644_1313191079_n.jpg "
[Boston]|13:16 (from inky) zarf says "We can go panhandling together!"
[Boston]|13:16 zarf says, "woooo"
[Boston]|13:16 vimes says, "hee hee"
[space]|13:17 inky says, "hooray"
[Boston]|13:17 zarf says, "you wanna meet up near MIT at dinnertime? Or post, or pre? (I think I am at a movie in the early afternoon.)"
[Boston]|13:17 vimes says, ">WRITE IF FOR FOOD  I only understood you insofar as wanting to write."
[D&D]|13:18 Roger says, "Now there's a one-month short adventure competition for Labyrinth Lord.  Thinking about entering that, too."
[Boston]|13:18 Ellison says, "hmmm, I don't think I'd feel very comfortable cramming too much into tomorrow night, but my schedule should be fairly open on Friday"
[D&D]|13:18 inky says, "I assume that means the contest period is one month"
[D&D]|13:19 Roger says, "That's what I mean, yeah."
[D&D]|13:19 inky says, "because a competition for adventures that take place over a month could be kind of interesting"
[D&D]|13:19 inky says, "like most adventures are kind of a one-day or two-day deal"
[D&D]|13:19 Roger says, "Orc History Month"
[D&D]|13:19 inky says, "hee hee"
[D&D]|13:20 katre says, "ha"
[D&D]|13:20 Roger says, "Hmmm it's sort of hard to control that.  I guess you could event up a timeline"
[Boston]|13:20 zarf says, "Friday is good too"
[D&D]|13:20 inky says, "yeah"
[D&D]|13:20 katre says, "Red Hand of Doom does a good job with long-term action in a campaign"
[space]|13:20 josh_g says, "hee hee"
[D&D]|13:20 Roger says, "Oh yeah"
[D&D]|13:20 lpsmith says, "An obvious possibility there would be a werewolf story."
[D&D]|13:20 inky says, "like, one idea is "guy X is invading the town, reinforcements are coming at the end of the month, cna you hold out""
[D&D]|13:21 inky says, "ooh, yeah"
[D&D]|13:21 katre says, "my current hexcrawl 9resuming tonight!) has taken 13 days ingame so far, and there are still three rival parties wandering in the wilderness"
[Boston]|13:21 Ellison says, "all I know i have to do on Friday is go to my nephew's kindergarten graduation, which I imagine will be in the morning/early afternoon."
[D&D]|13:21 Roger asks, "Hunh.  How many hexes have they visited?"
[D&D]|13:21 katre says, "I'm going to ignore all the lessons I learned back when GMing shadowrun and have the PCs captured by their enemies! it can't go wrong!"
[D&D]|13:21 katre says, "less than 13 because they keep backtracking"
[D&D]|13:22 katre says, "I don't feel like pulling out the map in the middle of the office, sorry"
[D&D]|13:22 katre says, "probably 9 or 10"
[obits]|13:22 Ellison says, "man. I was just talking to my brother about The Running Man within the last couple days."
[obits]|13:22 Ellison says, "AND GOING BLIND ON DANDELION WINE"
[D&D]|13:23 Roger says, "Okay just idly curious"
[D&D]|13:24 Roger asks, "Capture is the deal behind the A series, wasn't it?"
[D&D]|13:25 katre says, "they've entered a template that claims to be Pelor's but is actually Bane's. the rogue expressed interest in becoming a priest (he wants the big shiny gold pelor medallion) and the priests are very excited about this"
[D&D]|13:25 katre says, "so the next step is clearly for them to be captured and escape just before the sacrifice"
[D&D]|13:25 Roger says, "Hunh I'd be tempted to string them along as long as possible"
[D&D]|13:25 katre says, "they're already suspicious, and I still have the Dwarven Ale Mystery to fall back on"
[D&D]|13:26 Roger says, "Oh yeah"
[lounge]|13:26 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|13:26 * Tale has disconnected.
[D&D]|13:26 Roger says, "Still it'd be fun for an erstwhile cleric to try to cast Cure Light Wounds but keep getting Go Totally Berserk instead"
[D&D]|13:26 katre says, "hee hee"
[D&D]|13:27 baf says, "Hm. Rituals that have to be performed at the correct astrological alignments could also provide an excuse for a month-long adventure."
[D&D]|13:27 katre says, "maybe I'll offer the rogue a choice: free your companions and do whatever, _or_ sacrifice them and gain three levels of Badass Evil Cleric"
[D&D]|13:27 baf says, "And that would work both for rituals you have to stop and rituals you have to perform."
[D&D]|13:27 katre says (to baf), "nice"
[rant]|13:28 genericgeekgirl says, "We're collaborating with this other group. They basically want to do the same stuff we do, but clinic-side, rather than research. So we gave them access to our (by which I sort of mean "my") Trac installation, really just so they could see what it's like. And their response was to pretty much take it over and start demanding accounts for everyone, and fill up the wiki and tracking system with their own stuff."
[D&D]|13:29 baf says, "Actually, a ritual you have to perform has some interesting adventure potential. You have exactly one month to get all the necessary components, but they're scattered all over the country! Which provides a way for most of the game-time month to be consumed with travel, so it doesn't even have to be a long adventure."
[rant]|13:29 genericgeekgirl says, "Which is annoying on a lot of levels, but it also creates more work for me, as the defacto admin of all things, because they're trying to demand all sorts of changes to make it fit their needs, rather than ours."
[kickstarter]|13:29 GDorn says, "backing Dead State."
[linkedin]|13:29 Allen asks, "oof! everyone seen the news?"
[kickstarter]|13:30 GDorn says (to Gunther), "thpthpththp"
[linkedin]|13:30 Allen says, "6.5 million passwords stolen from Linked In"
[rant]|13:30 vimes says, "the answer to that is amazingly simple: "no."  if you're feeling nice: "and here's the page with trac install instructions.""
[linkedin]|13:30 Allen says, "they're unsalted SHA-1 hashes"
[rant]|13:30 vimes says, "fuckers"
[rant]|13:30 vimes says, "ilac"
[linkedin]|13:31 vimes says, "fuckers"
[linkedin]|13:31 Jon says, "I'm sure glad I used a unique password for that site."
[rant]|13:31 genericgeekgirl says, "Yeah, the compromise here is that I'm setting them up with their own installation, which they can mostly manage themselves, except that it's on our server, and my supervisor is going to make it clear that this is a temporary solution."
[linkedin]|13:32 Allen checks his lastpass vault.
[linkedin]|13:32 Allen says, "ah, I have a unique as well"
[linkedin]|13:32 vimes says, "hey, so do i"
[linkedin]|13:33 inky says, "argh grah"
[linkedin]|13:33 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Allen has posted message 2, about '6.5m password hashes stolen from linked in, time to change passwords', to the bulletin board! I know, it sound like I am jerk! But I really busy."
[linkedin]|13:34 inky says, "I have a unique password there but also a fixed system for generating them so I don't know what to change it to"
[linkedin]|13:34 Jon says (to inky), "'fuck-you-linkedin'."
[linkedin]|13:34 inky says, "hee hee"
[D&D]|13:34 inky says, "yeah"
[linkedin]|13:34 josh_g says, "ha ha NewsBoy"
[D&D]|13:34 inky says, "there could also be a thing where depending on how early you figure stuff out, you have more time to perform rituals to help you out"
[D&D]|13:35 inky says, "or you might be stuck just doing the final ritual with no assistance"
[D&D]|13:35 Roger says, "Tarrasque is going to wake up in a month.  Don't dally."
[kickstarter]|13:35 zarf says, "I see the Portal Reborn project is comprehensively dead"
[lounge]|13:35 josh_g says, "hrm, dang, Jing video captures aren't getting audio from the local MIDI soft synth"
[kickstarter]|13:35 zarf says, "Now thinking about putting my Portal project back on the queue... but probably not until winter."
[linkedin]|13:36 Allen says, "heh: wired:"
[linkedin]|13:36 Allen | There are ways to make password hashes more difficult to crack, through adding random bits, known as a salt, to the hash. But security experts are reporting that LinkedIn appears not to have done this.
[linkedin]|13:37 Allen says, "I question that word following 'security'"
[kickstarter]|13:37 K-Y asks, "Reborn?"
[I7]|13:39 Jizaboz says, "Maybe he's related to Clay Aiken. That guy is pretty horrible."
[kickstarter]|13:40 Recchi says (to Gunther), "Annie is really nice."
[pain]|13:42 Ryan says, "I am lying flat on my back with my knees up and a laptop propped on them, because it is the only position in which my back feels remotely okay."
[pain]|13:43 inky says, "oog, sorry to hear it"
[pain]|13:43 Roger asks, "What'd you do to it?"
[pain]|13:43 Ryan says, "Helped Sarah's little sister move a week ago."
[pain]|13:43 josh_g says, "ow"
[pain]|13:44 Ryan says, "Yesterday morning I woke up and could barely move."
[security]|13:44 baf says, "So apparently there's been a big password leak from Linkedin"
[kickstarter]|13:44 Ellison asks (of Recchi), "what do you know Annie from?"
[security]|13:44 inky says, "oh, I thought we were just talking about it here, but I guess it was on #linkedin"
[pain]|13:44 Roger says, "Hunh.  Lying around sounds like a pretty good idea."
[security]|13:44 baf says, "Ah, I didn't know there was a #linkedin."
[security]|13:45 baf says, "I guess I'm not linked in."
[kickstarter]|13:45 inky says, "oh, right, this is portal reborn as in not that portal"
[linkedin]|13:45 * baf has joined the channel.
[pain]|13:45 Ryan says, "It's what the chiropractor ordered!"
[pain]|13:45 Roger says, "Some drugs might be in order"
[pain]|13:46 Ryan says, "Oh, yeah, I've been taking ibuprofen. It takes the edge off but that's it."
[pain]|13:46 Ryan says, "Putting ice on it regularly helps the most."
[kickstarter]|13:47 Ellison says, "oh yeah, that thing"
[linkedin]|13:47 inky says, "anyway, yeah, big mess"
[kickstarter]|13:47 Recchi says (to Ellison), "That panel at Seattle"
[kickstarter]|13:47 Ellison says, "ah, cool"
[linkedin]|13:48 baf asks, "I see that I'm not using a unique password for linkedin, but rather, my low-importance password, the one that I use for things that I don't really care if they get hacked. Should I care if my linkedin account is hacked?"
[mozilla]|13:48 Roger says, "Another update, another moderately-irritating change in default behaviour"
[kickstarter]|13:48 inky says, "oh, I only remembered her other name"
[linkedin]|13:49 inky says, "I would change your password there, yeah"
[Poetry]|13:49 Roger says, "The worst poem I've seen all day"
[kickstarter]|13:49 Recchi says, "I'm really trying not to have more than a hundred bucks tied up in games that don't exist but getting Dead State for half off seems good."
[linkedin]|13:49 baf says, "Why? What's the worst-case scenario here? Serious question."
[Poetry]|13:49 Roger | http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/lighthouse-darkened/
[linkedin]|13:50 inky says, "somebody logs in as you and emails your contacts asking for money or something and some of them pay up for some reason"
[linkedin]|13:50 baf says, "Hm, okay"
[linkedin]|13:50 josh_g says, "the amount of personal info on you in linkedin could be useful in someone social-engineering some more important thing"
[linkedin]|13:51 baf says, "Well, the personal info is mostly public, though, isn't it? That being the point."
[linkedin]|13:51 josh_g says, "alternately I guess they could hijack the account and vandalize it and make you look bad"
[linkedin]|13:54 lpsmith says, "OK, that was the impetus I needed to finally delete my account."
[linkedin]|13:55 GDorn | https://twitter.com/#!/LinkedIn
[linkedin]|13:55 GDorn says, "snrk"
[linkedin]|13:57 lpsmith says, "Which took like 20 clicks, but OK."
[linkedin]|14:01 ghira asks, "how do you remove a connection on linkedin?"
[linkedin]|14:01 ghira says, "one of my very earliest ones was probably a mistake"
[D&D]|14:10 GDorn says (to katre), "is this the hexmap game you're playing?  http://jrients.blogspot.com/2012/06/doom-of-jaredites-session-1.html "
[D&D]|14:13 GDorn says, "I like this.  It's got a westmarches feel, and since it's level 1 characters it's sorta okay that none of the characters know much of the geography ahead of time."
[D&D]|14:13 katre says, "no"
[D&D]|14:13 katre says, "but it's probably similar"
[adventures]|14:14 Ellison says, "nice that everything got unlocked in that adventure bundle. too bad I wasn't able to partake!"
[English]|14:16 Allen | A reminder: "calamitous" means "filled with clams."
[lounge]|14:18 Rob comes right on in.
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Rob says, "rzbmf"
[D&D] inky says, "there is a pretty interesting thread from a sotry-games guy about something that is vaguely this kind of game"
[D&D] inky | http://story-games.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=15822&page=1
[D&D] Rob says, "what's sotry-game"
[mozilla] Ryan asks, "What is it this time?"
[D&D] inky says, "er, story"
[D&D] Rob says, "oh heh"
[D&D] Rob says, "that's a big duh on this end"
[D&D] Rob says, "especially since the url was sitting right there flashing its eyes"
[D&D] Rob says, "sidling with intent"
[D&D] josh_g says, "<wink>Hey Rob</wink>"
[kitties] Grocible says, "lil moggy is *very* interested in this packet of smoked gouda"
[D&D] katre says, "one-page dungeons: printed"
[tired] josh_g says, "so lazy today"
#games/roleplaying/D&D: maga says, "you're *always* playing Planescape. You may not know it, though."
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[D&D] * Rob has changed the topic to: Unknown to the adventurers, there's a lizard man outpost down below the stalactite
[tired] josh_g says, "family was all sick and went to bed early; I stayed up, started playing TF2, then remembered Oh yeah I was going to make notes for something tomorrow"
[tired] josh_g says, "six hours of sleep later, here I am"
[kitties] Grocible says, "can't say I blame her"
[kitties] Grocible says, "I'm quite interested in it myself"
[tired] Rob says, "what was the thing you meant to make notes for"
[tired] josh_g says, "my wife's physics class"
[tired] josh_g says, "I'm helping her out with the electricity and magnetism unit"
[tired] Rob says, "why do you have to make notes for her physics class"
[tired] josh_g says, "because I'm an awesome guy that way"
[tired] Rob says, "in the beginning there was the electroweak force"
[tired] josh_g says, "and because she's never taught Physics 12 before and was kind of freaked out about teaching it at the start of the semester"
[tired] Rob says, "oh, teaching"
[tired] josh_g says, "whereas most of it is stuff I've studied before, although I had to relearn the induction stuff"
[tired] josh_g says, "yeah"
[tired] Rob says, "first of all them kids ain't going to know nothing"
[tired] josh_g says, "ha ha"
[tired] josh_g says, "well, I do up the notes, then go over them, then she goes "Oh, wait I actually understand that now, that's awesome" and then she teaches it the next day"
[tired] Rob says, "what can you, tired josh_g, tell us about induction"
[tired] Rob says, "a happy marriage was had by all"
[tired] josh_g says, "and it's totally worth it because now I can make nerdy science jokes about electricity and she'll get it"
[tired] Rob says, "ha ha"
Quote added to josh_g's quotebook.
[tired] Rob says, "I long for a helpmate who will do something analogous for me someday"
[tired] josh_g says, "anyway, any course prep we do is kind of a shared resource anyway; I borrow her stuff for one course she's taught before, she borrows from mine, etc"
[kitties] Psmith says, "I recommend accompanying it with mustard. a) for the flavour combination and b) as a cat deterrent."
[tired] josh_g says, "so if I ever have a physics class dropped on me to teach, I will have stuff ready to roll"
[tired] Rob reads #kitties Psmith as being on this channel
#75 [if/comps/IntroComp]           From: Jacqueline    Date: 06-Jun-12 12:02
Subject: A Reminder and a Rules Update
The site has been updated to reflect recent questions regarding the non-commercial release rule, the intro-to-something-not-yet-finished rule, and an inquiry about how seasoned authors should approach IntroComp.  Please have a look.  Also, the Intent to Enter deadline is June 15th... so there's still some time to hit the site and sign up as an author.  More intros means more fun for voters, and we like that, so please take the plunge if you've been considering doing so.
#152 [misc/places/Boston]          From: Ellison       Date: 06-Jun-12 13:11
Subject: Ellison in Boston tomorrow (Thursday) and Friday
So, I'm only in town for a couple of days and I'm pretty busy (and kind of poor, too), but tomorrow night, I'm going to be taking one of my sister-in-law's 'ghost tours' ( http://www.hauntedboston.com ). It's 8 pm, I think, and costs $18. I figured this might be a cool thing for locals who otherwise would not check out such a thing. I'll have internet tomorrow afternoon. otherwise, I'd be happy to just see anyone there.
#448 [alt/obits]                   From: Roger         Date: 06-Jun-12 11:31
Subject: Ray Bradbury, 91
1920-2012 -- author
#2 [web/linkedin]                  From: Allen         Date: 06-Jun-12 13:33
Subject: 6.5m password hashes stolen from linked in, time to change passwords
http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Potential+leak+of+6+5+million+LinkedIn+password+hashes/13390
[books] ghira says, "rule 34 (arrived today)"
[linkedin] Rob says, "doh"
[linkedin] Rob says, "I guess I could change passwords by now"
[books] Rob asks, "what's rule 34?"
[books] ghira says, "Stross book"
[books] Rob says, "who's Stross"
[tired] josh_g says, "anyway, the moral of the story is this lunch break is too short and now I've used up another 5 min of it"
[books] Ryan says, "The anti-pope."
[books] Psmith says, "Charles Stross. SF author."
[books] ghira says, "atrocity archives etc."
[books] Psmith says, "Rule 34 is a sort-of-sequel to Halting State."
[books] Rob googles a few search terms
[books] katre says, "I liked Halting State"
[D&D] inky says, "ha ha"
[D&D] inky says, "that is indeed a classic d&d line"
[books] katre says, "duchess is at BEA today. I asked her to get anything signed by Charles Stross"
[books] Rob | The novel is told in second-person singular but from three points of view:
[books] Rob says, "huh, 2nd p. kind of IF-like"
[books] ghira says (to rob), "I'd suggest "the atrocity archive(s)" as a first stross experience"
[books] inky says, "yeah"
Recapping 69 of 69 lines from games/roleplaying/D&D:
[D&D]/001 Roger says, "Hrm, time to complete the prize draft for OPDC"
[D&D]/002 Roger says, "I am not too proud to ask for the cash prize."
[D&D]/003 inky asks, "how much is it?"
[D&D]/004 (from Jota) Roger says, "Enough for a sandwich, if I leave off the cheese."
[D&D]/005 inky says, "one-topping sandwich competition"
[D&D]/006 katre says, "hee hee"
[D&D]/007 ghira has learned that chickpeas are a poor choice for open sandwiches
[D&D]/008 Roger says, "It's three hundred bucks"
[D&D]/009 inky says, "whoah, dang"
[D&D]/010 Roger says, "That'll be my going rate per page from this point onwards"
[D&D]/011 inky says, "that is pretty good considering it's (I assume) not even the first prize"
[D&D]/012 inky says, "hee hee"
[D&D]/013 Roger says, "There isn't really a "first prize" per se"
[D&D]/014 Roger says, "Now there's a one-month short adventure competition for Labyrinth Lord.  Thinking about entering that, too."
[D&D]/015 inky says, "I assume that means the contest period is one month"
[D&D]/016 Roger says, "That's what I mean, yeah."
[D&D]/017 inky says, "because a competition for adventures that take place over a month could be kind of interesting"
[D&D]/018 inky says, "like most adventures are kind of a one-day or two-day deal"
[D&D]/019 Roger says, "Orc History Month"
[D&D]/020 inky says, "hee hee"
[D&D]/021 katre says, "ha"
[D&D]/022 Roger says, "Hmmm it's sort of hard to control that.  I guess you could event up a timeline"
[D&D]/023 inky says, "yeah"
[D&D]/024 katre says, "Red Hand of Doom does a good job with long-term action in a campaign"
[D&D]/025 Roger says, "Oh yeah"
[D&D]/026 lpsmith says, "An obvious possibility there would be a werewolf story."
[D&D]/027 inky says, "like, one idea is "guy X is invading the town, reinforcements are coming at the end of the month, cna you hold out""
[D&D]/028 inky says, "ooh, yeah"
[D&D]/029 katre says, "my current hexcrawl 9resuming tonight!) has taken 13 days ingame so far, and there are still three rival parties wandering in the wilderness"
[D&D]/030 Roger asks, "Hunh.  How many hexes have they visited?"
[D&D]/031 katre says, "I'm going to ignore all the lessons I learned back when GMing shadowrun and have the PCs captured by their enemies! it can't go wrong!"
[D&D]/032 katre says, "less than 13 because they keep backtracking"
[D&D]/033 katre says, "I don't feel like pulling out the map in the middle of the office, sorry"
[D&D]/034 katre says, "probably 9 or 10"
[D&D]/035 Roger says, "Okay just idly curious"
[D&D]/036 Roger asks, "Capture is the deal behind the A series, wasn't it?"
[D&D]/037 katre says, "they've entered a template that claims to be Pelor's but is actually Bane's. the rogue expressed interest in becoming a priest (he wants the big shiny gold pelor medallion) and the priests are very excited about this"
[D&D]/038 katre says, "so the next step is clearly for them to be captured and escape just before the sacrifice"
[D&D]/039 Roger says, "Hunh I'd be tempted to string them along as long as possible"
[D&D]/040 katre says, "they're already suspicious, and I still have the Dwarven Ale Mystery to fall back on"
[D&D]/041 Roger says, "Oh yeah"
[D&D]/042 Roger says, "Still it'd be fun for an erstwhile cleric to try to cast Cure Light Wounds but keep getting Go Totally Berserk instead"
[D&D]/043 katre says, "hee hee"
[D&D]/044 baf says, "Hm. Rituals that have to be performed at the correct astrological alignments could also provide an excuse for a month-long adventure."
[D&D]/045 katre says, "maybe I'll offer the rogue a choice: free your companions and do whatever, _or_ sacrifice them and gain three levels of Badass Evil Cleric"
[D&D]/046 baf says, "And that would work both for rituals you have to stop and rituals you have to perform."
[D&D]/047 katre says (to baf), "nice"
[D&D]/048 baf says, "Actually, a ritual you have to perform has some interesting adventure potential. You have exactly one month to get all the necessary components, but they're scattered all over the country! Which provides a way for most of the game-time month to be consumed with travel, so it doesn't even have to be a long adventure."
[D&D]/049 inky says, "yeah"
[D&D]/050 inky says, "there could also be a thing where depending on how early you figure stuff out, you have more time to perform rituals to help you out"
[D&D]/051 inky says, "or you might be stuck just doing the final ritual with no assistance"
[D&D]/052 Roger says, "Tarrasque is going to wake up in a month.  Don't dally."
[D&D]/053 GDorn says (to katre), "is this the hexmap game you're playing?  http://jrients.blogspot.com/2012/06/doom-of-jaredites-session-1.html "
[D&D]/054 GDorn says, "I like this.  It's got a westmarches feel, and since it's level 1 characters it's sorta okay that none of the characters know much of the geography ahead of time."
[D&D]/055 katre says, "no"
[D&D]/056 katre says, "but it's probably similar"
[D&D]/057 inky says, "there is a pretty interesting thread from a sotry-games guy about something that is vaguely this kind of game"
[D&D]/058 inky | http://story-games.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=15822&page=1
[D&D]/059 Rob says, "what's sotry-game"
[D&D]/060 inky says, "er, story"
[D&D]/061 Rob says, "oh heh"
[D&D]/062 Rob says, "that's a big duh on this end"
[D&D]/063 Rob says, "especially since the url was sitting right there flashing its eyes"
[D&D]/064 Rob says, "sidling with intent"
[D&D]/065 josh_g says, "<wink>Hey Rob</wink>"
[D&D]/066 katre says, "one-page dungeons: printed"
[D&D]/067 * Rob has changed the topic to: Unknown to the adventurers, there's a lizard man outpost down below the stalactite
[D&D]/068 inky says, "ha ha"
[D&D]/069 inky says, "that is indeed a classic d&d line"
Recapped 69 of 69 lines from games/roleplaying/D&D.
[books] ghira says, "lovecraft / dilbert crossover"
[books] inky says, "it's also about a virtual world thing, isn't it? it's been a while since I read it"
[D&D] Rob says, "unbeknownst to the adventurers but knownst to us"
[books] Rob says (to ghira), "wow, that's head-mangling"
[books] Rob says, "but there is a venn diagram which completes it"
[books] Rob says, "is there a kindle version? because I could be tempted to have a go"
[books] Rob | Cory Doctorow calling the novel, "savvy, funny, viciously inventive".[7] Kirkus Reviews gives it a star, saying, "Dazzling, chilling and brilliant"
[books] ghira says, "amazon.com has a kindle version"
[books] Psmith says, "the sidebar of his blog ( http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/ ) should have links to various versions."
[comics] K-Y says, "once again, Marvel uses USA Today to spoil today's comics"
[books] Rob | I'm in New York, attending Book Expo America, a huge publishing trade show, because of Tor's DRM-free ebook announcement. (And, speaking of DRM-free ebooks, it looks like the dominos are beginning to fall: IPG—the Independent Publishers Group, a distributor for smaller publishers—are about to start offering a DRM-free publishing channel for their members. Good for them!)
[books] Psmith says, "also, the blog is well worth reading for its own sake."
[books] baf asks, "*a* star?"
[books] Rob says, "--charlie stross"
[books] ghira says, " http://www.amazon.com/Atrocity-Archives-Laundry-Files-ebook/dp/B000OIZUIA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1339007517&sr=8-2 "
[books] inky says, "kirkus does recommended and not recommended"
[comics] Rob says, "oh yeah"
[comics] K-Y says, "somehow I'm not sure that chapter 5 of 12 of AvX is really that big a deal"
[comics] Rob asks, "is there an AvX like there's an AcX?"
[science] zarf says, "that's some goddamn venus http://i.imgur.com/Kfznf.jpg "
[comics] K-Y says, "it's Avengers vs X-Men"
[books] Rob says, "then again I need to send in my kindle for repairs/replacement"
[comics] K-Y says, "that's the level of high concept we are operating at now"
[comics] inky says, "well, you know whoever's winning in chapter 5 will be losing in 6, winning in 7, losing in 8, winning in 9, losing in 10 but then the real menace shows up and they are forced to team up, so both lose in 11 and most of 12 but then they both win right at the end"
[amazon] Rob says, "what's halting me is that I had a kindle with a keyboard, and I think they're going to send me a non-keyboard version as a replacement, but I liked the keyboard for looking up dictionary entries"
[books] ghira says, "I ordered rule 34 because I liked halting state well enough but the atrocity archives and sequels are more my thing"
[science] inky says, "man"
[science] inky says, "this looks like a bit from the end of lord of the rings"
[kitties] Grocible says, "she's actually such a good cat"
[science] Rob says, "that looks like some country's flag"
[quotations] katre | Wouldn't the sentence 'I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign' have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?
[science] Rob says, "with color invert applied"
[kitties] Grocible says, "I gently moved it aside and she went away from it"
[quotations] inky says, "ha ha"
[science] Rob says, "that's totally the marriage of sam and rosie"
[science] Ryan says, "Ha ha"
[quotations] Rob says, "I dunno,  but at the austinmeet last night both Allen and I had the fish&chips"
[quotations] Ryan says (to katre), "The best that about that one is that it can be expanded forever."
[quotations] Ryan says, "uh, the best thing"
[quotations] vimes says, "after a while and starts to look like NaN"
[quotations] K-Y says, "and then it's palindrome time"
[quotations] zarf says, "'and And and and, and and and BAT-MAN!'"
[quotations] Rob says, "'texas redfish' it said, and neither of us knew this, though both of us knew the five species of poisonous texas snakes, and this wasn't among, which was good enough, we 'xpected"
[quotations] inky says, "ha ha"
[quotations] Rob says, "that's my version of hemingway imitating faulkner"
[quotations] K-Y says, "unknown to the adventurers, Texas redfish lurked on the menu"
[quotations] inky says, "ha ha more"
[quotations] katre asks, "how many hit dice are texas redfish?"
[quotations] Rob says, "I bet a pittance"
[quotations] Rob says, "you just kind of club 'em with the butt of your sixgun and yer in bidness"
[quotations] Rob says, "1d4, 4 for the bigg'uns"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it was actually a hipster austin new place that jen picked out"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I could imagine going there some one night of the week for a games/doodling gathering"
[robmumble] Rob says, "when we were there last night, there was a dude who was in the movie Slacker hanging out at the bar"
[quotations] maga says, "poisonous snake is perfectly edible"
[robmumble] Rob says, "he was the guy who said 'my band has a new name -- now we're the Ultimate Losers'"
[robmumble] inky says, "ha ha"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I wanted to give him a thumbs-up and say 'Slacker guy!' but instead I creepily glanced at him all night long"
[quotations] maga says, "surely as Texans you eat rattlesnake an average of three times a week"
[robmumble] Rob says, "both Allen and jen failed their slacker tests and didn't know who I meant"
[robmumble] Rob says, "though they both said ha ha when I related the same description"
[quotations] Rob says, "what kinda snakemeat they got up thar in 'laska"
[Texas] katre | http://i.imgur.com/uZXKQ.jpg
[quotations] Rob says, "since you didn't go to 5th grade in Alaska you probably didn't have to do the species report"
[Texas] katre says, "apparently this is more accurate, however: http://i.imgur.com/PfNvc.jpg "
[quotations] maga says (to Rob), "it is very simple since there are no snakes"
[Texas] inky says, "ha ha"
[quotations] Rob says, "I thought that was new zealand!"
[quotations] maga says, "and Ireland"
[Texas] Allen says, "posted in the past, so you've probably seen it: http://plover.net/~agarvin/country-map.jpg "
[Texas] Rob says, "this is a recently coined injoke since the campus where Allen is austin-attending a medievel music conf has posted 'beware of poisonous snakes!' signs about the place"
[Texas] Allen says, "you can fit 15 canadas into TExas"
[Texas] katre says, "woo Tennessee"
[Texas] Rob says, "cute?? them's fightin' words"
[Texas] Ryan says, "I'm looking at this Mercator projection and it seems pretty obvious that Alaska is the size of the entire western half of the US."
[Texas] Rob asks, "aren't 15 canadas cute?"
[comics] inky says, "has this hulk vs thor thing gone around yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDaxJzXTAqA "
[comics] Rob says, "vs. thor or vs. Thing??!"
[comics] Rob says, "if there's a Thor-Thing by now I'm completely out of it"
[comics] Rob says, "Don Grimm Blake Edwards"
[comics] Rob says, "who directed '10' and 'BA-THOOOM'"
Rob says, "uh oh, time to g"
Rob says, "o"
Rob says, "pumpkin hour"
Rob says, "gblrk"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.