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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
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Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
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  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
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  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> So you're like, "Wow, this book comes with an onion!"
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, banana, Anything Finder, battle.net battletags, madlibs, his pants
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, Dave, jpt, vimes, baf, DorianX, Psmith, Jon, lpsmith, Richie, Doug, annabianca, Bishop, Allen, ghira, Jacqueline, zaphod, marc, GDorn, Grocible, Jearl, Whizzard, maga, DavidW, Marktwo, Ryan, McMartin, genericgeekgirl, vaporware, boucher, Gunther, Fang, Hjalfi
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 2979 lines from recent channels:
[politics]/23:55 mwmiller says, "Walker squeaked through the recall, if that's what you mean."
[politics]|23:55 DorianX says, "Looks like a landslide for walker"
[politics]|23:55 DorianX asks, "I assume he has some kind of drastic anti0-union thing lined up to punish them for this?"
[politics]|23:56 McMartin says, "So, business as usual"
[politics]|23:58 Allen says, "the amount of money big labor wasted on the election is punishment enough"
[politics]|23:59 McMartin says, "Well, no, they could be legislated out of existence."
[politics]|23:59 McMartin says, "That was, IIRC, kind of the plan in the first place"
[lounge]|00:02 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]|00:02 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|00:02 ghira says, "lenster"
[lounge]|00:02 ghira says, "er jenster"
[lounge]|00:03 jenrexrode says, "wow that's an odd one on a qwerty"
[lounge]|00:03 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Jen"
[politics]|00:03 inky says, "supposedly he outspent opponents 8 to 1"
[politics]|00:03 inky says, "but it's probably hard to figure out what counts as spending on this"
[lounge]|00:03 ghira says, "yeah not sure what I was thinking there"
[lounge]|00:03 jenrexrode says, "back from MUDmeet"
[politics]|00:03 McMartin says, "'he' there is mostly out-of-state billionaires, actually"
[lounge]|00:04 ghira says, "hmm. we've got one of those next week"
[lounge]|00:04 jenrexrode says, "this was the annual roballjen"
[lounge]|00:04 ghira says, "we may need to get some extra umbrellas"
[lounge]|00:05 jenrexrode asks, "we didn't use umbrellas, did we do it wrong?"
[lounge]|00:05 ghira says, "probably not. that's locale-dependent."
[lounge]|00:05 jenrexrode says, "oh, I thought maybe there was a greeting dance"
[DrawSomething]|00:05 Jota says, "I'm beginning to suspect that more people are likely to identify a picture of Gollum with the word 'golem' than an actual picture of a golem."
[lounge]|00:05 jenrexrode says, "with props"
[lounge]|00:05 ghira says, "it's been drizzling feebly here for several days. so, mm."
[DrawSomething]|00:05 inky says, "hee hee"
[lounge]|00:06 borowski is now is glorious EXTRA COLOR!
[DrawSomething]|00:06 inky says, "I had a confusing "wait, he had *hebrew* on his forehead?" conversation with my fiancee"
[lounge]|00:06 ghira exclaims, ""it's raining so we'll have the mudmeet indoors" would seem a bit feeble. we must go on the train of death even if it rains!"
[lounge]|00:06 borowski says, "Evening"
[politics]|00:06 Allen | What it shows is the peril of corporate dollars in an election and the dangers of Citizens United, said Dennis Van Roekel, president of the National Education Association, a school workers union, referring to the 2010 Supreme Court decision that barred the federal government from restricting political expenditures from corporations, unions and other groups.
[DrawSomething]|00:06 Jota asks, "As opposed to English? Latin?"
[DrawSomething]|00:06 Alex says (to Jota), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that latin is Marcus Iuliam pulsat!  Naso Iuliae foeda est!  Iulia plorat: u-hu-u."
[DrawSomething]|00:07 Jota asks, "Klingon?"
[DrawSomething]|00:07 Alex says (to Jota), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that Klingon is pointless."
[DrawSomething]|00:07 Jota asks (of Alex), "Judgmental, aren't we?"
[DrawSomething]|00:07 Alex asks (of Jota), "Um, seven?"
[politics]|00:07 McMartin says, "I have found it rather odd that schoolteachers and firefighters are the new communist menace"
[politics]|00:07 Allen asks, "do they not realize that union money was also restricted before citizens united?"
[DrawSomething]|00:07 jenrexrode asks, "star of david?"
[DrawSomething]|00:07 inky says, "as opposed to quenya"
[DrawSomething]|00:07 Jota says, "Oh, ha ha."
[politics]|00:08 McMartin says, "Unions generally have much *less* money and so lowering the caps means you can trivially drown them out"
[politics]|00:08 Allen asks, "less money? *much* less money?"
[politics]|00:08 McMartin says, "Yes."
[politics]|00:08 McMartin says, "FFS, look who's talking here."
[politics]|00:08 Allen asks, "did you see how much money unions raised in 2008?"
[politics]|00:08 McMartin says, "Since when do schoolteachers manage to dictate policy"
[politics]|00:08 Allen says, "union spending was enormous, in both 2008 and in the recall"
[politics]|00:08 McMartin says, "They can't manage to get enough money to their schools to not make parents bring in paper and pencils"
[politics]|00:09 McMartin says, "And in the recall, they were outspent 8-1 at full force."
[politics]|00:09 McMartin says, "So, say, drop spending caps by 85% and every piece of that drop is a bonus to them, assuming one dollar = one vote"
[beer]|00:10 jenrexrode says, "I may have to give up drinking.  There's something really unpleasant about sobering up.  It makes me feel anxious."
[beer]|00:10 inky says, "hunh"
[politics]|00:11 Allen says, "if you can find good documentation of the 8-to-1, I'd like to see it"
[politics]|00:11 McMartin says, "Just quoting the previous line here"
[politics]|00:11 Allen says, "however, I'm way to sleepy to research myself"
[politics]|00:11 Allen says, "I'm getting really yawny"
[politics]|00:11 McMartin says, "I see 7-1 here."
[beer]|00:11 Jota says, "That suggests two possible things you could give up. Drinking is only one of them."
[beer]|00:11 inky says, "ha ha"
[beer]|00:12 Allen says, "ha"
[politics]|00:12 McMartin says, "Looking for something better than political blogs"
[beer]|00:12 jenrexrode asks, "what the other one, sobering up?"
[politics]|00:12 McMartin | http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/politics/wisconsin-recall-vote/index.html
[craigslist]|00:12 Jota says, " http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_v4-q6AUuXVI/TGPd8Z3_RFI/AAAAAAAAAaI/-R39FFcQieg/s1600/Gollum+vs+Golem.png "
[politics]|00:12 McMartin | Walker outraised his opponent by an almost 8-1 ratio, collecting $30.5 million to Barrett's $4 million. Roughly two-thirds of Walker's contributions came from out of state, the Center for Public Integrity reported, while only a quarter of Barrett's funds originated from outside Wisconsin.
[craigslist]|00:13 Jota says, "(Tangential from #DrawSomething.)"
[beer]|00:13 Allen says, "but contributions aren't usually reflective of total spending"
[beer]|00:13 Allen says, "lac"
[beer]|00:13 borowski asks (of jenrexrode), "Sobering up by not drinking for a few days?"
[politics]|00:14 Allen says, "but contributions aren't usually reflective of total spending. OR, at federal level, where direct contributions are often a fraction of PAC spending"
[beer]|00:14 borowski asks, "Or sobering up the night of?"
[beer]|00:15 Jota says (to jenrexrode), "Yeah, sobering up."
[politics]|00:15 McMartin says, "SuperPAC spending is almost entirely the domain of the owners"
[beer]|00:15 jenrexrode lets out a low growl
[politics]|00:15 Allen says, "which is not the candidate"
[beer]|00:16 jenrexrode looks shifty eyed
[politics]|00:16 McMartin says, "I don't see how this supports your claim that unions are the advantaged force here."
[politics]|00:17 Allen asks, "how much of direct contributions represent the total amount spent?"
[politics]|00:17 McMartin says, "Also, I'd claim that the dissociation of PACs from candidates is a transparently thin fiction"
[politics]|00:17 Allen says, "no, it's not"
[English]|00:17 Jota asks, "Do people who aren't me actually pronounce 'golem' and 'gollum' in a such a way that they actually sound the same?"
[politics]|00:17 Allen says, "direct contributions are recorded under a totally different section of tax law"
[politics]|00:17 ghira says, "All I know about SuperPACs is the Colbert thing and that does make them look pretty fictional"
[lounge]|00:17 Firion goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|00:17 borowski goes southwest to play with toys.
[politics]|00:17 McMartin says, "OK, extend that to 'in terms of buying influence and being arms of the same power structure'"
[English]|00:17 Allen says, "I pronounce them the same"
[lounge]|00:17 borowski arrives from the Toyshop, Battleship pieces protruding from every orifice.
[English]|00:18 ghira says, "I don't"
[politics]|00:18 McMartin says, "I'm aware that organizationally it is different, but am deeply skeptical that this matters in any meaningful sense."
[English]|00:18 ghira says, "maybe I mispronounce golem"
[English]|00:18 Jota asks (of Allen), "Which way do you pronounce them both?"
[English]|00:18 Allen says (to Jota), "like 'golem'"
[English]|00:18 Allen says, "or 'gollum'"
[English]|00:18 Jota asks, "Intentionally obtusely?"
[English]|00:19 Allen says, "stress on first syllable"
[English]|00:19 Jota asks, "Do you pronounce the first syllable like 'go'? Or like the beginning of 'golly'?"
[English]|00:19 Allen says, "like golly"
[English]|00:19 ghira says, "I pronounce golem as go-lem, gollum as goll-um"
[English]|00:19 Allen asks (of ghira), "huh, really?"
[English]|00:19 Allen asks, "anyone here speak yiddish?"
[beer]|00:19 jenrexrode says, "ok, all better"
[English]|00:19 ghira says, "yes. which one of those is wrong? I imagine golem"
[English]|00:20 ghira says, "I vaguely recall noticing that a character in "the sopranos" said "goll-um" for golem in one episode"
[English]|00:20 inky says, "m-w appears to offer 'go-lem' and 'goi-lem'"
[English]|00:20 Jota says (to ghira), "Me too."
[English]|00:21 jenrexrode says, "oy"
[English]|00:21 Jota says, "(That is, I pronounce them the way you do; I don't assume that's wrong.)"
[English]|00:21 borowski says, "I say them the same as gira."
[English]|00:21 Allen says, "I did play D&D in college with an atheist Jew who knew many yiddish curse words, and I can't recall him saying golem as anything strange. Though, golems aren't common and maybe we never encountered one"
[English]|00:21 ghira says, "but the yiddish pronunciation may not matter any more than the Italian pronunciation of spaghetti does"
[beer]|00:21 borowski says, "..jenrexrode"
[English]|00:21 Jota says (to inky), "Huh, goi-lem. I wouldn't have expected that."
[English]|00:21 ghira says, "though I hate the English pronunciation of "latte" so much I always order cappuccino"
[English]|00:21 jenrexrode says, "uh oh, now I'm paranoid about saying spaghetti wrong"
[English]|00:21 Allen says, "goi-lem sounds totally fake and made-up"
[English]|00:22 Allen says, "like someone trying to be ironic"
[politics]|00:22 K-Y says, "I still can't imagine this as anything other than a bunch of guys going 'we are stockpiling a bucket of cash with your name on it'"
[politics]|00:22 K-Y says, "'we'll be over here'"
[English]|00:22 Jota says, "It sounds like a pejorative term for a non-Jewish automaton."
[beer]|00:22 borowski says (to jenrexrode), "If you drink often it can be easy rely on alcohol to relax."
[English]|00:23 ghira says (to jen), "I need to contrive a way to make AB say "spaghetti" in English"
[English]|00:23 Allen says, "Friday Night / We'll be drinking Maneshevitz / Goin' out / to terrorize goi-lems"
[English]|00:24 inky says, "anyway, I pronounce them the same myself but I don't have a strong feeling of being correct about it"
[English]|00:24 Psmith says (to ghira), "I also pronounce it go-lem, so it may be a British/US thing."
[programming]|00:24 Hugo asks, "If it's this hard to duplicate a crash, you might as well just ship it, right?"
[beer]|00:24 jenrexrode says, "I may have miscounted, but I think that's beer #2 for 2012"
[English]|00:24 ghira says, "D&D is probably where a lot of people first came across them. Or that film with a golem in it."
[beer]|00:25 inky says, "you must be really stressed out then"
[English]|00:25 Psmith says, "speaking of D&D monsters with British/US pronunciation difference, it always sounds weird when Americans talk about 'minno-taurs'."
[English]|00:25 Allen says, "yeah, D&D, totally"
[English]|00:25 Allen says, "later, the Lisa Goldstein novel"
[lounge]|00:25 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|00:25 * K-Y has disconnected.
[English]|00:25 Allen says, "(set in Prague during the holocaust)"
[English]|00:26 Jota says (to Ps), "Yeah, any my-notaurs sound just as weird to me."
[English]|00:26 Jota says, "s/any/and/"
[English]|00:26 ghira says, "I don't think I knew about minno-taur"
[DrawSomething]|00:26 jenrexrode says, "yay, Jota guessed my elaborate Porsche"
[English]|00:27 Allen says (to ghira), " http://badgods.com/images/minotaur.png "
[English]|00:27 ghira says, "I'm not sure if I saw http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061826/ before or after I first encountered D&D"
[English]|00:28 Allen asks, "I can't copy from cygwin. What is that?"
[DrawSomething]|00:28 Jota exclaims, "I did!"
[English]|00:29 Allen says, "oh, typed it in"
[DrawSomething]|00:29 Jota says, "I am now trying to figure out whether or not inky guessed 'barber' from just the chair alone, like the game made it look."
[English]|00:29 Allen says, "don't know that"
[English]|00:29 Allen says, "also, getting tooooo sleepy to hold my eyes open...."
[English]|00:29 ghira asks, "that what?"
[English]|00:29 Allen says, "going to conk out now"
[English]|00:29 Allen says, "that movie. But too sleepy to wait for reply"
[English]|00:29 Allen asks, "'It'?"
[English]|00:29 ghira says, "ok"
[English]|00:30 ghira says, "it's an ok film"
[English]|00:30 ghira says, "I vaguely recall"
[English]|00:30 Allen says, "the stephen king movie with prehistoric clowns is more scary, I bet"
[English]|00:30 ghira says, "I should check how they say it in the film"
[English]|00:30 ghira says, "possibly. but pre-D&D film with clay golem."
[lounge]|00:32 BrenBarn busta.
[DrawSomething]|00:33 vimes says, "the line of thinking might have gone like this: "hmm, game of thrones?  that suggests butchery.  the butcher of seville?  seville and sweeney both start with an s.  sweeney todd?  oh, BARBER.""
[DrawSomething]|00:33 inky says, "hee hee"
[DrawSomething]|00:33 Jota says, "I am not familiar with the Butcher of Seville."
[DrawSomething]|00:34 inky says, "I think I started typing when I saw a person sitting in the chair with hair"
[DrawSomething]|00:34 inky says, "but before much of the actual barber was filled in"
[DrawSomething]|00:34 Jota says, "So my pitiful scissors were truly extraneous."
[DrawSomething]|00:34 jenrexrode says, "I wonder if some people draw fast, or if the drawing speed it getting faster"
[DrawSomething]|00:35 jenrexrode says, "on replay"
[DrawSomething]|00:36 Jota says, "Hmm. I am finding myself sometimes intentionally picking 'easy' words just because I've already done the harder ones, or because I'm amused by them."
[DrawSomething]|00:37 jenrexrode says, "yeah, me too"
[marmite]|00:37 * genericgeekgirl has joined the channel.
[DrawSomething]|00:38 jenrexrode says, "also drawing the easy words in a harder way"
[lounge]|00:38 genericgeekgirl wanders off for a bit.
[lounge]|00:38 genericgeekgirl returns from space. Quick, put on those ape suits and ook.
[lounge]|00:38 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[DrawSomething]|00:38 vimes says, "it's a short film that i've never seen, but that i confused with the barber of seville several times when i was younger"
[lounge]|00:39 jenrexrode says, "okay, I think 40 minutes of continuous local weather is enough"
[marmite]|00:39 ghira says, "well hello there"
[lounge]|00:39 (From inky) jenrexrode says "I'm moving to San Diego"
[lounge]|00:39 jenrexrode says, "wah, maybe I'm not totally sober"
[DrawSomething]|00:40 Jota says (to jenrexrode), "Yeah."
[marmite]|00:42 ghira asks, "can we interest you in "Marmite XO"?"
[marmite]|00:43 genericgeekgirl says, "Ooh. I've only ever had the regular. It's not super easy to find in the States."
[daily-show]|00:44 jenrexrode says, "haha reagan mural eclipsed by lady's hair"
[peanut-gallery]|00:44 inky says, "man, markm's finger info is crazy"
[peanut-gallery]|00:45 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:46 BrenBarn says, "on the last day of class, our cognitive neuroscience prof revealed that he had been keeping track of the times that we submitted our weekly reading responses (via email)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:46 BrenBarn says, "they were supposed to be due 'Sunday evening'"
[marmite]|00:46 ghira says, "I don't know if XO is available in the states."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:46 BrenBarn says, "he showed a graph of when people emailed them in"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:46 inky says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:46 inky says, "I like where this is going"
[marmite]|00:47 ghira says, "I'm not sure I can tell the difference but a marmite-fiend colleague says she can"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:47 BrenBarn says, "he said 'this is an empirical investigation of what Sunday evening means'"
[marmite]|00:47 ghira says, "the only jar we have in the house is XO and it will probably take me years to finish it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:47 BrenBarn says, "most people were clustered in the area from about 6pm to midnight"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:47 borowski says, "haha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:47 inky says, "hunh, that's better than I was expecting"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:48 ghira says, "that sounds ok"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:48 BrenBarn says, "(this was an average of the 8 or so responses we had turned in over the quarter)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:48 borowski says, "Yes, I was expecting Sunday evening to mean 2am Monday morning."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:48 ghira says, "(people start saying "good evening" after about 1:30pm in Rome)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:48 BrenBarn says, "there was one person over the line at like 4am"
[lounge]|00:48 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|00:48 * boucher has disconnected.
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:48 jenrexrode says, "sounds like someone from my work"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:48 BrenBarn says, "one outlier at about Saturday morning, and one crazy outlier at like three days before"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:49 BrenBarn says, "he also did a scatterplot of the time of submission against the number of words in the response"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:49 ghira says, "AB had a homework once where anybody who actually answered the question in the email got marked down"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:49 borowski says, "I assume that person submitted it three days before because they overshot their destination when traveling back in time."
[lounge]|00:50 jenrexrode i'm pretty sure that sunday night would mean 'any time before anyone could be reasonably expected to show up on Monday' - so by 5:30 am would be good enough for governnment work.
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:50 ghira says, "because the prof said it should have been clear that the topic was so sensitive that all you should commit to email was something like "I need to come and see you about a problem. when are you free?""
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:50 Jota asks (of ghira), "Huh?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:50 ghira says, "so having a subject or body which said what the problem was was unacceptable"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:50 jenrexrode says, "i'm pretty sure that sunday night would mean 'any time before anyone could be reasonably expected to show up on Monday' - so by 5:30 am would be good enough for governnment work."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:51 Jota asks (of jenrexrode), "What, you think anyone would actually be doing anything on a Sunday at all in government work?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:51 ghira says, "you have an employee who is heading for serious disciplinary action or sacking (I think pretend name and reasons were in the assignment but this was years ago). write an email to your boss about this."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:51 ghira says, "prof said "correct" answer would contain almost no info but ask to meet."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:52 jenrexrode says, "if the computers were up..."
[tangent]|00:52 inky says, ""sacking" should mean "put in a sack and thrown off the bridge""
[videogames]|00:52 K-Y says, "also, I feel compelled to remark on how the art direction has evolved"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:52 ghira says, "was AB's prof being a bit wacky? I guess in real life he would have a point."
[videogames]|00:53 K-Y says, "from 'generic indie surrealism' in that 2008 video to 'storybook'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:53 jenrexrode says, "and that one manager who liked to drink too much, he liked to work late on sundays when no one would be there to judge is gin level"
[videogames]|00:53 K-Y says, "I was honestly interested in the urban direction they had originally"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:54 ghira says, "Beppe Severgnini, who runs http://italians.corriere.it/ , invited 100 people to have pizza with him at the Reform Club in London. first 100 emails to reach him after midnight Italian time on (date)"
[videogames]|00:55 K-Y says, "although now I have to wonder what the game was even meant to be about originally"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:55 borowski says (to ghira), "I suppose the students won't forget the lesson."
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:55 ghira says, "he was surprised that the last successful one was about 00:10"
[tangent]|00:55 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:55 ghira says, "I am surprised that he was surprised"
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:56 Jota asks, "Was he famous?"
[lounge]|00:56 boucher arrives.
[lounge]|00:56 (From boucher) Clippy the Paperclip says, "You seem to be entering the lounge! What would you like to-- wait, no, don't boot m--"
[lounge]|00:56 (From boucher) </Clippy> Clippy has disconnected from ifMUD.
[apropos-of-nothing]|00:56 ghira says, "yes"
[videogames]|00:56 K-Y says, "also, they teased a bunch of areas that looked maybe a little too Myst-esque"
[google]|00:57 Jota says, "That was elaborate."
[lounge]|01:02 ghira says, "fox outside"
[programming]|01:02 BrenBarn says, "I've been bitten by the stackoverflow bug"
[lounge]|01:02 ghira says, "eating the hedgehogs' food. silly hedgehogs"
[marmite]|01:03 * borowski has joined the channel.
[Internet]|01:03 zarf says, "Google is telling me that today (6/6) is World IPv6 Launch day. This didn't get on my radar *at all*."
[Internet]|01:04 Psmith asks, "how is "launch" being defined here?"
[Internet]|01:04 ghira says, "various places that participated in the last two ipv6 days will now turn it on and leave it that way"
[programming]|01:04 inky asks, "are you answering questions?"
[programming]|01:04 BrenBarn says, "yeah"
[Internet]|01:04 ghira says, "there's been a lot about this on the NANOG mailing list recently"
[Internet]|01:04 zarf says, " http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ has a typo on the explanation link, har har"
[Internet]|01:04 ghira says, "not that most people will have seen that"
[programming]|01:04 BrenBarn says, "I just created an account the other day"
[Internet]|01:06 ghira says, "you can check e.g. http://test-ipv6.com/ "
[lounge]|01:06 vaporware is a cat who says funny things.
[Internet]|01:06 zarf says, "'No IPv6 address detected'. I'm on Comcast. We'll see."
[google]|01:06 jenrexrode says, "wow"
[lounge]|01:07 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi vw"
[Internet]|01:07 ghira says, "well my ISP doesn't do ipv6 but i have used http://ipv6.he.net/ to get round that"
[Internet]|01:07 vaporware says, "AT&T U-verse, no IPv6."
[marmite]|01:08 ghira says (to boro), "welcome also unto you"
[lounge]|01:09 jenrexrode asks, "hedge hogs have food from...?"
[Internet]|01:09 zarf says, "I'm kinda interested in whether Akamai is really getting their ipv6 stuff off the ground"
[marmite]|01:09 borowski says, "I bought a jar of marmite recently.  I thought it was overpriced at first"
[whiz-games]|01:09 Whizzard stretches.
[lounge]|01:09 Jota says, "From ghira."
[whiz-games]|01:09 Whizzard says, "Home from painting."
[Internet]|01:09 zarf says, "because 18 months ago, it was flail time"
[whiz-games]|01:09 Jota asks, "You paint?"
[marmite]|01:09 borowski says, "But now I realize that it was a good deal for a life-time supply."
[whiz-games]|01:09 Whizzard says, "Miniatures"
[whiz-games]|01:09 Jota says, "Oh, right."
[whiz-games]|01:09 Whizzard says, "Dystopian Wars"
[marmite]|01:09 borowski says (to ghira), "Why, thank you."
[lounge]|01:09 Psmith says, "no, the fox has food from ghira. The hedgehogs go hungry."
[whiz-games]|01:10 Whizzard says, "It was a good night."
[whiz-games]|01:10 Whizzard says, "I got all my turrets painted, 2 bombers, and a bunch of generators."
[politics]|01:10 McMartin says, "Sorry, had to aft"
[politics]|01:10 McMartin says, "afk, even"
[lpRPG]|01:11 lpsmith exclaims, "Finished AW today!"
[lpRPG]|01:11 lpsmith says, "And am not on a jury to boot."
[lpRPG]|01:11 lpsmith says, "So, double-win."
[Internet]|01:11 inky says, "they have now moved onto the bec de corbin stage"
[lpRPG]|01:11 inky says, "ha ha"
[DrawSomething]|01:11 jenrexrode says, "Like how I just drew this one for Rob based on a picture a friend posted of 'one' on Sunday"
[lpRPG]|01:12 lpsmith says, "One bit of advice from the book that I am curious of it works for rp-ing in general is to make the NPCs simple and expendable."
[lounge]|01:13 jenrexrode says (to Psmith), "hee hee"
[lpRPG]|01:13 lpsmith says, "I bet it is pretty good advice if perhaps not *always* apropos."
[lounge]|01:13 Jota asks, "What if he puts the food and the hedgehog in the rowboat?"
[programming]|01:13 Hugo says, "I'm going to get on SO right now then, and mechanical-turk you so bad into fixing my bugs."
[lounge]|01:13 jenrexrode says, "haha"
[programming]|01:14 BrenBarn says, "it probably won't work unless you're writing in Python"
[lounge]|01:15 borowski says, "That's a tough one since the fox eats the hedgehog food, and the hedgehogs eat the food..."
[lounge]|01:15 borowski says, "And the hedgehog eats the fox..."
[programming]|01:15 Hugo says, "Now you're being unreasonable."
[lounge]|01:15 McMartin says, "Is this a logic puzzle or terrible Sonic Fanfic"
[lounge]|01:16 borowski says, "heh"
[marmite]|01:17 ghira asks, "you think you'll eat it slowly or never again?"
[marmite]|01:17 ghira says, "you see very large tubs on sale. 1kg? 2.5kg? I assume those are catering size."
[marmite]|01:18 borowski says, "Slowly.  I still haven't figured out exactly the portion or how to best use it. I've been putting a little on toast with poached eggs."
[marmite]|01:18 genericgeekgirl says, "That's a good start."
[marmite]|01:19 borowski says, "The only size I saw was the 125g."
[marmite]|01:19 ghira says, "on buttered toast is the obvious thing. or buttered crumpets I think"
[marmite]|01:19 ghira says, "but worth a try in toasted cheese sandwiches"
[marmite]|01:19 genericgeekgirl says, "I really like it smeared on top of grilled cheese sandwiches, possibly with avocado."
[lpRPG]|01:19 inky says, "apocalypse world is the kind of game where it's pretty easy for people to die"
[lounge]|01:20 ghira says, "we put food out for the hedgehogs"
[lpRPG]|01:20 inky says, "so it is probably not worth investing a lot of effort into an NPC until you know they have stuck around for a while"
[marmite]|01:20 borowski says, "mmm that does sound good.  I usually add a bit of salt on top of my grilled cheeses."
[lpRPG]|01:21 lpsmith says, "Yeah, hmm."
[marmite]|01:22 borowski says, "I was surprised to find marmite had a vegetable taste to it."
[lpRPG]|01:22 lpsmith says, "I was thinking more along the lines that NPCs need to be simple for the PCs to understand what's going on, though, and that when the PCs wanted an NPC gone, let that happen."
[DustWorld]|01:23 DavidW says, "oops. Slept thru NightFloyd."
[lpRPG]|01:23 lpsmith says, "For variety if nothing else."
[DustWorld]|01:23 genericgeekgirl says, "No worries. Nobody showed up."
[lounge]|01:23 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[DustWorld]|01:23 DavidW says, "Also got the 'we need to talk' post-it from roommate. Always an ominous sign that he's pissed at me."
[DustWorld]|01:24 borowski says, "Eek."
[daily-show]|01:24 jenrexrode says, "wow, Allen was just talking about this cat--o-copter at dinner"
[DustWorld]|01:24 borowski says, "Or pregnant."
[DustWorld]|01:25 DavidW says, "No, I'm sure his complaint is that I've been lax yet again with the chores and I left a water spill on the stovetop."
[marmite]|01:25 ghira says, "have you tried _branston_? that's less controversial than marmite."
[lounge]|01:26 ghira says, "orf"
[DustWorld]|01:26 borowski says, "IRTA 'Bastion' and thought that was an odd comparison."
[marmite]|01:26 borowski says, "Oh, where was I hearing about Branston recently."
[DustWorld]|01:27 DavidW says, "I didn't say anything like 'Bastion'."
[marmite]|01:27 borowski says, "IRTA 'Bastion' and thought that was an odd comparison."
[DustWorld]|01:27 borowski says, "Sorry, ILAC"
[marmite]|01:28 DavidW says, "Perhaps in a discussion of cheese sandwiches."
[lpRPG]|01:28 inky says, "yeah"
[lpRPG]|01:28 inky says, "well, there's something about emergent complexity"
[DustWorld]|01:28 borowski says, "At least the roommate is being direct.  It's better than passive-aggressive chore wars."
[DustWorld]|01:28 BrenBarn says, "that was why it was odd"
[lpRPG]|01:28 inky says, "or, accumulative complexity or whatever"
[lounge]|01:28 zarf heads east.
[lounge]|01:29 zarf arrives from the east.
[lpRPG]|01:29 lpsmith exclaims, "Hmm!"
[lpRPG]|01:29 inky says, "like if you just have a guard who doesn't want to let you into the castle, that is good enough for the start"
[Internet]|01:29 zarf says, "(router-updating bastard)"
[lpRPG]|01:29 inky says, "and you don't have to get into the guard's personal history or skill at flute-playing or whatever"
[DustWorld]|01:29 borowski says, "Oh I know.  Watching Zero Punctuation video game reviews."
[DustWorld]|01:29 borowski says, "Damn ILAC again"
[DustWorld]|01:29 DavidW asks, "You don't find post-it notes passive-aggressive? The 'we need to talk' mantra to make me highly uncomfortable and let rage grow instead of actual talking face to face?"
[lpRPG]|01:29 lpsmith says, "You do if you're an adventure game, but point."
[marmite]|01:29 borowski says, "Oh I know.  Watching Zero Punctuation video game reviews"
[lpRPG]|01:29 inky says, "hee hee"
[lpRPG]|01:30 inky says, "I mean, it may come up later in the narrative if the guard shows up again as, I dunno, your jailer in prison"
[lpRPG]|01:30 lpsmith says, "Right."
[DustWorld]|01:30 borowski says, "I can see that."
[lpRPG]|01:31 lpsmith says, "But Vincent's advice counters a trend I think I had to some extent in Ussura which was to keep giving NPCs more and more motivation and intricacy which the players just couldn't ever see."
[DustWorld]|01:31 DavidW says, "He always does it this way. If not with a post-it, a 'we need to talk' just as he's literally walking out the front door without giving me a chance to ask 'about what?'"
[lpRPG]|01:31 lpsmith says, "Of if they did it was all exposition."
[DustWorld]|01:31 borowski says, "I guess it would make me nervous too."
[DustWorld]|01:32 borowski says, "Ah, yeah if he does it often.  I was assuming this was a one-off thing."
[lpRPG]|01:32 inky says, "oh, hmm, interesting"
[lpRPG]|01:32 inky says, "I think that 7th sea the books is really into that"
[DustWorld]|01:32 DavidW says, "god no. This is standard operating procedure for his highness."
[DustWorld]|01:32 borowski says, "heh"
[lpRPG]|01:32 lpsmith says, "that could explain some of it, then ;-)"
[lpRPG]|01:33 inky says, "when I was reading through some of the adventures recently I was struck by how much backstory even minor NPCs got that the players were unlikely to ever find out about"
[DrawSomething]|01:33 jenrexrode says (to Jota), "yay, that was awesome ghost"
[lpRPG]|01:33 lpsmith says, "Hmm, I'm not sure if I've actually read a 7th Sea adventure, just the splatbooks."
[lpRPG]|01:34 lpsmith says, "(where it's fine to give everyone lots of backstory because it's all hooks for the GM)"
[DustWorld]|01:34 borowski asks, "He's picky about chores?"
[lounge]|01:34 Whizzard says, "lo z"
[Internet]|01:34 zarf says, "according to this chart, they were supposed to turn everything on at 00:00 UTC (five and a half hours ago)"
[lpRPG]|01:35 lpsmith says, "But, like, I had this fairly elaborate setup with the plot against Matushka and the Knias and it was all I could do to have you all even *meet* the characters before they did their thing."
[DustWorld]|01:35 DavidW says, "He actually increased them a month or two ago. His father's housekeeper always put blue chemicals every day in the toilet bowl back in South Africa, so I should be putting chemicals in the toilet bowl daily too, for example."
[lounge]|01:35 Lionheart can see a dream in your dance. Lionheart can see tomorrow in your dance. We can call it, "our hope"!
[lpRPG]|01:36 inky says, "yeah"
[lpRPG]|01:36 inky says, "it's tricky because it is actually kind of cool to have these really solid NPCs out making power plays"
[DustWorld]|01:36 borowski says, "Oh wow."
[DustWorld]|01:36 DavidW says, "And 'it only takes a few minutes and you're home all day, there's no reason you can't do this'."
[DustWorld]|01:37 borowski asks, "Is he sure it wasn't Smurfs forgetting to flush?"
[DustWorld]|01:37 DavidW says, "Furthermore, not doing chores is 'disrespectful'."
[DustWorld]|01:38 borowski says, "You might be home more often but that doesn't mean you should do more chores."
[lpRPG]|01:38 lpsmith asks, "Hmm, but as a spectator thing?  Or as a participant?"
[DustWorld]|01:38 DavidW says, "I have no bargaining power in this."
[DustWorld]|01:38 borowski says, "I don't think I've ever had official chore agreements before."
[lpRPG]|01:38 lpsmith says, "I guess it could be fun to see in the background assuming there's still enough stuff for the PCs to do in the foreground."
[DustWorld]|01:39 DavidW says, "Remember, he owns the place, I pay rent to him."
[DustWorld]|01:39 borowski says, "In fact, I started writing a play in which a chore wheel destroys everyone's lives."
[DustWorld]|01:39 DavidW says, "We're not equals in our home."
[DustWorld]|01:40 jenrexrode says, "oh"
[lpRPG]|01:40 lpsmith says, "Now I'm trying to think of games I've been in where that sort of thing happened.  Mis's probably."
[DustWorld]|01:40 DavidW says, "(which means he can keep the jenga party in the dish drying rack going for months at a time, leaving me nowhere for my dishes to dry)"
[lpRPG]|01:40 inky says, "hmm"
[DustWorld]|01:40 DavidW says, "(for example)"
[programming]|01:40 Hugo says, "It's amazing what you can accomplish if you're not smart enough to know you don't know what you're doing."
[lpRPG]|01:40 lpsmith says, "Though that was pretty well tangled in to our own story."
[lpRPG]|01:40 inky says, "Helvetica was pretty fancy"
[lpRPG]|01:40 lpsmith says, "(Helvetica)"
[DustWorld]|01:40 borowski says, "Well, I'd say you ought to do be equals if you are both paying equal rent."
[lpRPG]|01:40 lpsmith asks, "Fancy with the stuff going on, you mean?"
[lpRPG]|01:40 inky says, "hmm"
[lpRPG]|01:41 inky says, "yeah"
[DustWorld]|01:41 DavidW says, "(I am not allowed to complain about such things, because he works and I don't. He doesn't have the time.)"
[programming]|01:41 McMartin says, "True of many things!"
[lpRPG]|01:41 inky says, "I guess we can distinguish between NPCs with a lot of thought out backstory and NPCs doing a lot of stuff actively, but there is probably some relation"
[DustWorld]|01:41 DavidW says, "We are not paying equal rent."
[lpRPG]|01:41 lpsmith says, "Yeah, hmm."
[programming]|01:42 Hugo says, "I'm like Forrest Gump with a compiler."
[DustWorld]|01:42 DavidW says, "I have no idea what he pays to the condo corp or what the hydro bill looks like."
[lpRPG]|01:42 lpsmith says, "I guess it is easiest as a GM to *know* what the NPCs are doing in the background if you know their backstory and the non-PC world is more filled in."
[lpRPG]|01:42 lpsmith says, "While in the"
[lpRPG]|01:42 lpsmith says, "er"
[DrawSomething]|01:42 jenrexrode says, "uh oh, my guesser doesn't know how to spell the word"
[lpRPG]|01:42 lpsmith says, "In the 'no myth' tradition, anything not looked at directly isn't even sketched in."
[DrawSomething]|01:43 jenrexrode says, "awww 48 turns down the drain"
[DustWorld]|01:43 borowski says, "That's still no reason for him to be rude."
[DustWorld]|01:44 DavidW says, "He would be very insulted if you claimed he was being rude."
[DustWorld]|01:44 DavidW says, "From his point of view, he is being polite, reasonable, and patient."
[lpRPG]|01:45 lpsmith asks, "So do you remember the NPC machinations in Ussura II as being interesting, then?"
[books]|01:45 zarf | Now Tom Doherty Associates is pleased to announce the impending debut of the Tor/Forge DRM-Free E-book Store, which will sell all Tor, Forge Starscape, Tor Teen, and Orb e-book titles directly to readers
[DustWorld]|01:46 DavidW says, "He works all these jobs and he thinking it's not unreasonable to expect a clean home to come home to at the end of the day (or first thing in the morning, or whenever he needs to sleep)."
[DustWorld]|01:47 borowski says, "Sure, I didn't mean to say he was purposefully being rude."
[DustWorld]|01:48 DavidW says, "Still, I'm always at fault and he never is. And because I am lax more often than I should be, it's a continuing problem."
[DustWorld]|01:48 borowski says, "If my roommate told me I had cleaned the toilet incorrectly, I'd be offended."
[books]|01:48 two-star asks, "Hmm. Does anybody use ebook stores that aren't their ereader's default?"
[books]|01:49 zarf says, "I have no idea what the numbers are"
[lpRPG]|01:49 inky says, "yeah, but really the only bit I remember is the assassination craziness"
[lpRPG]|01:49 lpsmith says, "Well, that was where it all came to head."
[lpRPG]|01:50 inky says, "so I don't know if the earlier stuff was stuff I didn't notice or I did but it wasn't interesting or if it was interesting but I've just forgotten"
[lpRPG]|01:50 lpsmith says, "Actually, that was basically the sum total of the big NPC movements, so hey ;-)"
[books]|01:50 two-star says, "I suppose I'll probably use baen's store for the two or three baen things I want that aren't free."
[lpRPG]|01:50 inky says, "hee hee"
[books]|01:50 zarf says, "I know of other SF ebook stores that keep running (baen, book view cafe)"
[DustWorld]|01:50 DavidW says, "Damn. I forgot to email my brother yesterday. It was his birthday."
[DustWorld]|01:51 DavidW says, "Also, I'm likely going to get in trouble with my new job search workshop, since I haven't put in the necessary hours for the week."
[lpRPG]|01:51 lpsmith says, "A large part of the first part of the game was because I was all "OK, this assassination craziness is about to happen; I need the PCs to meet everyone first and get there.""
[lounge]|01:51 Firion arrives from the Toyshop, pants full of Monopoly money.
[DustWorld]|01:51 DavidW says, "So it's going to be a very sucky day."
[lpRPG]|01:51 lpsmith says, "I guess the other half was the Matushka/Montegue/historic bug fight thing."
[DustWorld]|01:52 borowski asks, "job search workshop?"
[lpRPG]|01:52 inky says, "yeah"
[lpRPG]|01:52 inky says, "hmm"
[DustWorld]|01:52 DavidW says, "well, I don't know if workshop is the right word."
[lpRPG]|01:52 inky says, "I think I wasn't that interested in the empereur/montegue/matushka power play stuff"
[DustWorld]|01:53 DavidW says, "Call it a job search program, I guess."
[lpRPG]|01:53 inky says, "but all the actual stuff we did around travelling around and exposing bugs and fighting them and so on was fun"
[DustWorld]|01:53 borowski says, "Ah."
[lpRPG]|01:53 lpsmith nods.
[DustWorld]|01:53 DavidW says, "This one is called... 45+ Experienced Worker Program, it looks like."
[lpRPG]|01:54 lpsmith says, "If nothing else, I am glad I am GMing this because it will give me a different source to have GM stories from."
[lpRPG]|01:54 lpsmith asks, "How much Nobilis NPC action was scripted or semi-scripted?"
[DustWorld]|01:55 borowski asks, "How is the search going?"
[DustWorld]|01:55 DavidW says, "When I applied for it, I was told it was a poor fit for me, but I said that my caseworker recommended it for me and I didn't have any other obvious options to persue."
[lpRPG]|01:55 lpsmith says, "(with that being the biggest thing I can remember you doing with larger NPC movements)"
[DustWorld]|01:55 DavidW says (to borowski), "Extremely poorly."
[kitties]|01:55 jenrexrode says, "hm, maybe I'll buy a plug in air freshener for the litter box area"
[DustWorld]|01:56 borowski says, "I'm sorry."
[DustWorld]|01:56 DavidW says, "After all these years of unemployment, and all these workshops, programs, advisors, etc., I still feel quite clueless how to help myself."
[lpRPG]|01:56 inky says, "hmm"
[DustWorld]|01:56 DavidW says, "I still don't know what to look for or where to realistically find it."
[lpRPG]|01:57 inky says, "I think what I usually did was when the session started I would think of a thing"
[lpRPG]|01:57 inky says, "(or a couple days before, really)"
[lpRPG]|01:58 inky says, "like one time I was like "hey, someone should do a domain attack against maga's estate""
[lpRPG]|01:58 lpsmith says, "(which one was that?)"
[lpRPG]|01:58 inky says, "hmm, like loneliness or something"
[lpRPG]|01:58 inky says, "I think it was one not many people were around for"
[lpRPG]|01:58 lpsmith says, "Ha, that is so maga."
[lpRPG]|01:59 inky says, "or another time I was like "hey, Kiz's character has the weakness that she can be summoned, I should make some cultists summon her""
[DustWorld]|01:59 borowski says, "Yes, I'm finding the job search process frustrating."
[lpRPG]|01:59 inky says, "but usually there wasn't some kind of ongoing stuff behind the scenes I don't think"
[lpRPG]|01:59 lpsmith says, "Aha, empty places."
[lpRPG]|01:59 lpsmith says, " http://spod-central.org/~lpsmith/rpg/transcripts/nobilis/vona.html "
[lpRPG]|01:59 inky says, "until the last couple sessions, when I was like "ok, I should come up with a plan""
[lpRPG]|02:00 inky says, "and then I think there were some more-scripted sessions to give some people some stuff that would eventually lead to a conclusion of some kind"
[DustWorld]|02:02 borowski says, "I feel like I worked really hard in college and now nobody gives a crap about that."
[lpRPG]|02:03 lpsmith says, "Hee hee:"
[lpRPG]|02:03 inky says, "I think I've always been pretty good about creating sort of suggestive leads that don't necessarily mean anything at the time I come up with them"
[lpRPG]|02:03 lpsmith | * 'Shagapir': Farsi for 'Spinach mystic'
[lpRPG]|02:03 inky says, "but not always great about forming it all into a coherent plot afterwards"
[lpRPG]|02:03 inky says, "oh yeah"
[lpRPG]|02:04 lpsmith asks, "So, how long have you been a writer for 'Lost'?"
[lpRPG]|02:04 inky says, "ha ha ha"
[lpRPG]|02:04 inky says, "also, I seem to recall the name was originally Shapagir, but Duchess pointed out Shagapir meant something and requested we change it"
[lpRPG]|02:04 lpsmith says, "Ha, I think you're right."
[lpRPG]|02:04 lpsmith says, "Wow, 10 years ago."
[lpRPG]|02:07 lpsmith says, "I was talking to Sara about our last session, and she was pleased we had figured out the water system and that it was similar to the fire island system, though she was suspicious that I just went along with that after the players suggested it.  I grinned and asked her, "Do you want to know?" and she said, "No!""
[DustWorld]|02:07 borowski asks, "Do the workshops help you connect with employers?"
[lpRPG]|02:07 inky says, "hee hee"
[lpRPG]|02:07 inky says, "I forget if I mentioned it but I thought the squid fight went really well"
[lpRPG]|02:07 lpsmith says, "Oh, cool; thanks."
[lpRPG]|02:07 inky says, "like in terms of everyone having something to do and the mechanics supporting the play"
[DustWorld]|02:08 DavidW says, "After all these years of unemployment, and all these workshops, programs, advisors, etc., I still feel quite clueless how to help myself."
[lpRPG]|02:08 inky says, "and a good level of aspect use"
[DustWorld]|02:08 DavidW says, "ack. This darn keyboard"
[lounge]|02:08 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|02:08 * borowski has connected.
[lpRPG]|02:08 lpsmith says, "Yeah, I am liking maneuvers on the NPCs parts."
[lounge]|02:09 inky says, "oops, getting late"
[lpRPG]|02:09 lpsmith says, "And I think I am finally getting the 'the reality is actually changed when that happens' bit."
[lounge]|02:09 inky wanted bring similar excitement to Ukrainians by bringing the telepathic pig to the city's fan zone before matches.
[lounge]|02:09 * inky has disconnected.
[lpRPG]|02:09 lpsmith says, "bye! ;-)"
[DustWorld]|02:09 DavidW says, "None ever has, but this one supposedly can according to its info sheet. I'll believe it when I see it."
[snacks]|02:11 jenrexrode says, "so hungry - dinner of roasted mushrooms wore off"
[snacks]|02:12 DavidW says, "Someone was looking at a recipe for roasted chickpeas the other day. I think it called for cumin, cayenne pepper, and sea salt."
[DustWorld]|02:14 borowski says, "I'd think helping you get your foot in the door would be one of the best things an organization like that could do."
[DustWorld]|02:14 DavidW says, "yeah, maybe."
[weather]|02:15 jenrexrode says, "awkward time of year where it's too cold inside due to air conditioning"
[DustWorld]|02:16 DavidW says, "My friend Lyn has a new job. S/he used to work at the library; now s/he's helping disadvantaged kids, although I don't know the details."
[DustWorld]|02:16 DavidW says, "(Lyn is transgendered; that's why I'm using 's/he'.)"
[DustWorld]|02:18 boucher says, "It's more fun to confuse people if their transition happened between two events.  So you can say, 'He used to work at the library; now she's helping kids.'"
[DustWorld]|02:18 DavidW says, "I'm wondering if his/her work at Medix or being a living book helped him/her make the necessary contacts."
[DustWorld]|02:18 DavidW says, "Lyn is staying inbetween, though."
[DustWorld]|02:19 boucher says, "Ah"
[DustWorld]|02:19 borowski asks, "A living book? Like in Fahrenheit 451?"
[DustWorld]|02:20 DavidW says, "Lyn is biologically male, but as far as I know, has never done surgery or hormone treatment, although I really don't know."
[DustWorld]|02:22 DavidW says, "I never took out any of the living books from the library, but they're actual people that, for a time, you could take out for an hour or two, I think, and ask them about their chosen topic."
[DustWorld]|02:23 boucher says, "I believe I shared how one professor I had who said at the beginning of the term, while taking roll, that he liked to keep accurate records.  So if anyone changed their name during the term, to please tell him."
[DustWorld]|02:23 DavidW says, "Each living book has a story to tell about themselves, so you could learn what it's like to be Chinese or a war veteran or lesbian or whatever."
[DustWorld]|02:23 borowski says, "Huh."
[DustWorld]|02:23 boucher says, "He continued to explain, 'You know, in case you get married...or, as in the case of at least one of my students, change genders.'"
[DustWorld]|02:24 DavidW says, "Lyn"
[DustWorld]|02:24 DavidW says, "Lyn's topic was transgenderism, of course."
[DustWorld]|02:24 boucher says, "Lyn is nice and neutral already, so if that's always been his name, no problem there."
[DustWorld]|02:24 borowski says, "Interesting."
[snacks]|02:24 jenrexrode says, "leftover breakfast taco and orange juice"
[DustWorld]|02:25 two-star says, "I should totally be a living book for Pentominoes."
[DustWorld]|02:25 boucher says, "Just skip the book part and become a living pentomino."
[DustWorld]|02:25 borowski says, "It can be difficult to ask a person "What is it like to be X" in casual conversation without making them feel the token X."
[DustWorld]|02:26 borowski says, "Or at least I feel like that's what I'm doing."
[DustWorld]|02:26 boucher asks (of borowski), "What's it's like to be the one who feels awkward asking questions?"
[DustWorld]|02:27 borowski says, "haha"
[DustWorld]|02:27 DavidW says, "yeah, I don't know how the living books worked out in practice, if it was a one-time thing or seasonal or what."
[DustWorld]|02:27 borowski says (to boucher), "It's tough.  I think my family is finally starting to accept me."
[lounge]|02:29 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[DustWorld]|02:29 DavidW says, "hm, http://humanlibrary.org/what-is-a-living-book.html seems like it might the website about this."
[DustWorld]|02:30 borowski says, "Yeah, that looks like what you where talking. It seems to be mostly European."
[two-story]|02:30 two-star says, "Oh dear. I have a "bio sheet" form to fill out for my HS reunion."
[DustWorld]|02:31 boucher says, "The biggest problem with a project like this is that it seems like they might have trouble getting people to ask them about their supposed topic, rather than about the meta-topic of choosing to be a human book."
[two-story]|02:32 two-star says, ""Highlights of your life since high school""
[DustWorld]|02:32 borowski says, "There's also the issue of forgetting about the living book in the back of your closet and racking up huge late fees."
[two-story]|02:33 two-star says, "I could go with "Having a good programming job, which I threw away, 6 years ago, and haven't managed to get another proper job since""
[lounge]|02:35 boucher goes home.
[lounge]|02:35 * boucher has disconnected.
[DustWorld]|02:35 DavidW says, "It sounds like people are nervous at first, but gain confidence the more they read."
[lounge]|02:35 Firion goes home.
[lounge]|02:36 boucher arrives unclothed and innocent, perfect in the still morning light.
[two-story]|02:36 borowski says, "Eh.  I plan on making up some stuff about how I collect penguins for eccentric millionaries."
[DustWorld]|02:36 DavidW | ?The Arthritis book was my favorite,? said Health and Social Care student Kirstie Storey, after reading five different books with fellow student Kerry Fitzgerald, ?it was really open and polite when we asked about the condition, and was really informative too.
[DustWorld]|02:36 borowski says, "It seems like a great way to meet interesting people."
[DustWorld]|02:37 DavidW says, "uh-huh"
[DustWorld]|02:37 boucher says, "I'd feel bad about trying to get an arthritis book to open up, considering how painful that might be."
[DustWorld]|02:37 borowski asks, "Wait, so that person was prejudice against arthritic people?"
[DustWorld]|02:38 boucher says, "It doesn't have to be about prejudice, just ignorance."
[DustWorld]|02:38 DavidW says, "I'm not pre-supposing anything about the readers."
[two-story]|02:38 two-star says, "Maybe, "Flaming out of a teaching program""
[two-story]|02:40 boucher says (to two-star), "It seems you've had a few fulfilling hobbies lately"
[two-story]|02:40 boucher says, "Maybe you can write about them"
[DustWorld]|02:40 DavidW says, "Looking at past events page, I guess Lyn was part of '2010 Kitchener Public Library, Ontario, Canada"
[two-story]|02:41 two-star says, "Oh yes. There's a "Favorite pastimes" box. That one I can do."
[DustWorld]|02:41 borowski says, "Yeah, I was about to say that it seems active in Canada the past couple of years."
[DustWorld]|02:41 jenrexrode says, "might be a dead book then"
[DustWorld]|02:42 DavidW says, "eep."
[DustWorld]|02:42 DavidW says, "Just say out of circulation or moved to a private collection."
[lounge]|02:42 * ghira has disconnected.
[lounge]|02:42 * ghira has connected.
[lounge]|02:42 ghira says, "meep"
[whiz-games]|02:43 Whizzard says, "lo"
[whiz-games]|02:43 ghira says, "ello"
[DustWorld]|02:43 boucher asks, "How long before someone tries for the honor of being the first banned living book?"
[whiz-games]|02:43 ghira says, "phone interview on friday for job I am not remotely qualified for"
[whiz-games]|02:43 Whizzard exclaims, "Get it!"
[whiz-games]|02:44 ghira says, "I am astonished they even want to give me a phone interview"
[DustWorld]|02:44 jenrexrode says, "oh wow, I didn't know I was lagged"
[whiz-games]|02:44 Whizzard says, "Fuck it, you're awesome and they'll love you."
[DustWorld]|02:44 boucher says, "'So...tell me a bit about what it's like to sell me drugs and then have unprotected sex with me.'"
[whiz-games]|02:44 ghira says, "no, seriously. at least three of the "essential skills" are things I've heard of but know nothing about. they'd have to be insane or desperate to offer me this job"
[lounge]|02:44 jenrexrode wanders off.
[whiz-games]|02:44 ghira says, "(it seems to have been around since February so maybe desperation is setting in)"
[whiz-games]|02:44 Whizzard says, "Enh, read up enough to fake it by then."
[two-story]|02:44 two-star says, "Favorite High School Memories: Not having a single requited crush. Being utterly depressed. Failing half of my classes Junior year because I couldn't see the point of doing any of the stupid work that I was supposed to do."
[lounge]|02:44 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[DustWorld]|02:45 jenrexrode exclaims, "and then I got booted!"
[whiz-games]|02:45 ghira says, "enh. internet backbone stuff? I think they'll catch me out in no time"
[whiz-games]|02:45 Whizzard says, "You don't have to actually know it, just learn the basics."
[whiz-games]|02:45 Whizzard asks, "Is it something you want to know?"
[whiz-games]|02:45 Whizzard says, "If so, learn it anyway."
[whiz-games]|02:46 ghira says, "My surreal phone interview with Cisco for this "We need an Italian-speaking (such and such) specialist" was fun because I _told_ them upfront they were mad and they said "oh, we know, but hey, why not?""
[two-story]|02:46 two-star says, "Being asked, "Why are you here?" by the people I was eating lunch with, and proceding to hide in a corner of a hallway to eat lunch for the rest of my freshman year."
[whiz-games]|02:46 Whizzard says, "Impress them with your ability to learn, then."
[DustWorld]|02:46 DavidW says, "hm. I wonder if any of the living books are about crme? I doubt they'd do that, but, I dunno."
[whiz-games]|02:46 ghira says, "ohg sure"
[two-story]|02:46 boucher says, "Perhaps you just not the reunion-going sort.  I didn't go to my last one.  May not go to my next one."
[whiz-games]|02:46 Whizzard says, "Just go in with a positive attitude."
[whiz-games]|02:46 ghira says, "also, this company is where several people who've left my current place have gone in recent months, so I am going "hmm""
[two-story]|02:47 boucher says, "you're*"
[two-story]|02:47 two-star says, "Oh, I'm going."
[whiz-games]|02:47 ghira says, "the phone interview is a conference call so I have a suspicion at least one former colleague may be on it"
[whiz-games]|02:47 Whizzard says, "Even better. People will put in a good word for you."
[two-story]|02:47 two-star says, "Somebody has to make everyone else feel better about their lives."
[DustWorld]|02:48 borowski says, "I see 'ex-gang member' on the FAQ."
[DustWorld]|02:48 DavidW says, "yeah, that seems closest."
[two-story]|02:48 ghira says, "I don't know if my high school does reunions"
[two-story]|02:48 ghira says, "I am not aware of there being any but don't imagine my high school has ever know where I live since I left"
[DustWorld]|02:49 DavidW says, "oh good, Stripper is on the list."
[DustWorld]|02:49 borowski says, "Felon might be interesting too."
[two-story]|02:49 ghira says, "My college at Cambridge does them but I've not been to any."
[DustWorld]|02:49 DavidW says, "No 'Nudist' or 'Naturist' book."
[TV]|02:49 jenrexrode asks, "why would anyone need to cure a fear of birds?"
[TV]|02:50 ghira asks, "if you live somewhere with lots of birds?"
[DustWorld]|02:50 borowski says, "I'm sure there are prejudices around that.  Though of course that could also create problems for the event."
[DustWorld]|02:50 borowski says, "Though maybe that's my prejudice."
[TV]|02:50 jenrexrode says, "I guess like in downtown somewhere"
[DustWorld]|02:50 DavidW says, "Nudists have no trouble putting on clothes when necessary."
[TV]|02:50 ghira says, "well we have dozens of sparrows living in a hedge about 1 foot from our house"
[DustWorld]|02:50 borowski says, "Oh, I mean the felons."
[TV]|02:51 jenrexrode says, "oh no! run"
[TV]|02:51 ghira says, "plus plenty of crows, starlings, seagulls, robins and others visiting fairly regularly. occasional herons and ducks"
[TV]|02:51 two-star says, "Set the mi upon them."
[TV]|02:51 ghira says, "If I were terrified of birds I guess that would be inconvenient"
[TV]|02:51 ghira says, "she's afraid of birds."
[TV]|02:51 ghira says, "I and leaves."
[TV]|02:52 ghira says, "birds eat the cat food we leave out for the hedgehogs while she is sitting next to it"
[TV]|02:52 jenrexrode says, "patient #2 afraid of moths"
[TV]|02:52 ghira says, "moths aren't something I encounter very often"
[TV]|02:52 ghira says, "indeed I don't recall the last time I saw one. must have been years ago."
[lounge]|02:52 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[lounge]|02:53 olethros says, "moO0Oorn"
[TV]|02:53 jenrexrode says, "patient #3 terrified of lizards"
[whiz-games]|02:53 Whizzard says, "Oh, be sure to bring up your game teaching dealio if you at all get a chance."
[TV]|02:53 ghira asks (of jen), "are there no birds where you live? surely sparrows on window ledges or something at least?"
[lounge]|02:53 jenrexrode says, "hii"
[TV]|02:53 olethros asks, "is this like the boat, the wolf and the sheep?"
[whiz-games]|02:53 ghira says, "well it's on my CV so sure"
[DustWorld]|02:53 borowski asks, "'The Healer': what exactly does that refer to?"
[TV]|02:53 jenrexrode says, "there's a mocking bird, and some doves that drink out of the dog bowl"
[whiz-games]|02:54 Whizzard says, "Lets you play up your Italian skills and shows you're a well-adjusted human being with interests."
[whiz-games]|02:54 ghira says, "well, 5 years of my CV is jobs in Italy"
[TV]|02:54 jenrexrode says, "oh, and the grackles that fly in and eat moths after I mow the lawn, that could be kinda scary"
[whiz-games]|02:54 ghira says, "though I guess that was quite a while ago now"
[DustWorld]|02:54 DavidW asks, "I guess it means Faith Healer?"
[TV]|02:55 ghira says, "we have lots of blackbirds too. most of the noise is blackbirds I guess"
[TV]|02:55 jenrexrode says, "the grackle infestation at UT was scary in a gross way"
[DustWorld]|02:55 borowski says, "I suppose so.  I certainly have a prejudice there."
[TV]|02:55 ghira says, "oh a grackle is a bird? "grackle" turned up in a code-breaking exercise I did once and I thought maybe it was a made-up word to make the exercise harder"
[whiz-games]|02:55 Whizzard says, "It also gives the interviewers a better chance to like and empathize with you."
[TV]|02:56 jenrexrode says, "great-tailed grackle or boat-tailed grackle"
[lounge]|02:56 marc yawns in
[whiz-games]|02:56 Whizzard says, "Then, even if they don't hire you for this, they'll call you when other stuff comes up."
[lounge]|02:56 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[whiz-games]|02:56 ghira says, "well this is the bozo-filter phone interview where they work out if it's worth getting me in for a real interview"
[whiz-games]|02:56 ghira says, "so I strongly suspect it will be purely technical"
[whiz-games]|02:56 ghira says, "if I don't know enough about BGP and MPLS they don't care how rounded an individual I may or may not be"
[whiz-games]|02:57 Whizzard says, "Doesn't matter."
[whiz-games]|02:59 Whizzard says, "Make them glad they talked with you if only for the interesting conversation."
[lounge]|02:59 zarf walks off through the wall; pale green light flares briefly around him.
[whiz-games]|03:00 Whizzard says, "And don't spend the whole time telling them how sure you are that you don't have the skills they want."
[TV]|03:00 jenrexrode says, "apparently it's not the boat-tailed.  but the great-tailed is also called the Mexican grackle."
[lounge]|03:00 borowski says, "Sleep now I must."
[whiz-games]|03:00 ghira says, "I don't plan to"
[lounge]|03:00 borowski's corporeal form was TP'ed while he was astral projecting.
[lounge]|03:00 * borowski has disconnected.
[whiz-games]|03:01 ghira says, "but I will describe my experience accurately if asked. "I have used this on a course." "I have used this in real life about twice""
[whiz-games]|03:01 ghira says, "if asked about how BGP and MPLS do stuff I will answer as best I can."
[jendoodle]|03:01 jenrexrode says, "my mom went home.  I'm glad.  I don't like living with other people."
[whiz-games]|03:01 Whizzard says, "Sure."
[lounge]|03:01 marc says, "hey jen"
[whiz-games]|03:02 ghira says, "overstating experience on stuff is bad"
[whiz-games]|03:02 Whizzard says, "Don't lie, but like I said, an interview doesn't always lead to the job you're interviewing for."
[jendoodle]|03:03 jenrexrode says, "cats and dog are good, tho"
[whiz-games]|03:03 ghira says, "sure"
[whiz-games]|03:03 Whizzard says, "I don't mean to lecture. You're a big boy and all."
[whiz-games]|03:03 ghira says, "Just so."
[whiz-games]|03:03 Whizzard says, "You just came off really negative."
[jendoodle]|03:03 marc says, "hee"
[whiz-games]|03:03 Whizzard says, "So consider this a pep talk from a friend."
[whiz-games]|03:03 ghira says, "It can't be any stranger than the interview I had in London a few years ago"
[whiz-games]|03:04 ghira says, "well, ok, the cisco interview was stranger but anyway. first thing London guy said was "We think you're completely wrong for this role. We're only doing the interview because it was scheduled" and I said "That's ok. I don't want or need the job"
[whiz-games]|03:04 olethros asks, "so had you applied for this job, or is this interview their initiative?"
[whiz-games]|03:04 ghira says, "he said "great. shall we do the interview anyway?" and i said "sure. I've got the day off. let's go mad!""
[whiz-games]|03:05 ghira says, "for the one on Friday? a recruiter contacted me"
[lounge]|03:05 jenrexrode says, "ugh, 25 minutes until 2nd bedtime"
[whiz-games]|03:06 ghira says, "I was dubious, recruiter said "oh, what's the harm?" submitted my CV and they want a phone interview. so ok."
[lounge]|03:06 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|03:06 * Hugo has disconnected.
[TV]|03:06 jenrexrode says, "okay, I wouldn't want to stick my hand in a cage with a bunch of finches."
[whiz-games]|03:09 olethros says, "good, good"
[lounge]|03:12 Matthew goes home.
[lounge]|03:12 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
[lounge]|03:12 Gunther says, "good morning, fellow clickers-on-things"
[kitties]|03:13 jenrexrode says, "I have to restrain a pull chain on a lamp or Nermal will flick it with his tail and make noise"
[kitties]|03:14 Gunther says, "yay 'Nermal'"
[lounge]|03:14 jenrexrode says, "hi G"
[lounge]|03:14 olethros says, "i do not click as much as a mush"
[google]|03:14 Gunther | The next version of the Internet begins rolling out today. Learn more about IPv6
[google]|03:16 olethros says, "sigh"
[lounge]|03:16 olethros says, "B-fast"
[lounge]|03:16 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[google]|03:22 marc says, "heh"
[space]|03:22 jenrexrode says, "I believe I was just mocked about my tale of not being able to see the transit of venus"
[google]|03:23 Gunther says, "well, today *is* a concerted roll-out"
[google]|03:23 Gunther says, "followed, I assume, by some hasty rollback and class action lawsuits"
[google]|03:24 jenrexrode says, "you could watch the one about drive-ins instead"
[TV]|03:25 jenrexrode says, "making the lizard phobic pet a giant monitor lizard is not something he needs to do every day"
[lounge]|03:26 Tale has two uneven arms and his first apearence was at Jamie Carpenters house. In the rising and revealed that he survived the fall and made it to Paris and that he is a Werewolves.
[TV]|03:27 jenrexrode says, "unless he's going to Sri Lanka or something"
[DustWorld]|03:28 DavidW says, "hm. No Atheist book."
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:28 marc says, "man, i'm incapable of writing cogent posts to mailing lists"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:28 marc says, "they always come out clumsy and waffly"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:28 marc says, "and, of course, PUBLIC"
[dreams]|03:28 Tale says, "I dreamt a fortune teller told me "You'll be buried on the moon""
[dreams]|03:28 jenrexrode says, "cool"
[DustWorld]|03:28 Tale asks (of davidW), "Hm?"
[dreams]|03:29 Tale says, "And I remember feeling relieved because that would give me at least 30 years more or so"
[dreams]|03:30 Tale says, "I think in the dream we also made contact with a race of benevolent ant people"
[dreams]|03:30 Tale says, "or rather, giant ants"
[DustWorld]|03:30 DavidW says, "We were talking about living books earlier. humanlibrary.org"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:30 marc says, "case in point ~ http://jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2012-June/028306.html "
[DustWorld]|03:31 Gunther says, "the first living book that comes to mind is Homer"
[pronunciation]|03:33 Gunther asks, "how DO you pronounce Adirondacks?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:33 Gunther says, "seems concise and to the point"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:34 marc says, "cool okay"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:34 marc says, "i guess i just hate everything i write, s'all"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:34 Gunther says, "here is problem w/ test cases; here is why; here is fix."
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:34 Gunther says, "that's at least 95% more than people usually provide"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:35 Gunther says, "also what in god's name is that unholy syntax -|---"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:36 Gunther says, "(crucifix sideways due to limitations)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:36 marc says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:37 marc says, "gethash_json isn't very cleanly written fwiw"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:37 Gunther says, "probably because WAIT FOR IT THIS IS GONNA BE HILARIOUS"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:37 marc says, "..."
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:37 Gunther says, "someone got hash before they wrote it"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:37 marc says, "owe my gawd you dida funny"
[apropos-of-nothing]|03:38 marc says, "(i'm still chuckling over the wilted crucifix btw)"
[quotations]|03:38 Gunther | Lions: Best or worst surprise? More at eleven.
[pronunciation]|03:39 boucher says, "add-uh-RON-dacks"
[lounge]|03:47 jenrexrode says, "whoops - went past 2nd bedtime"
[lounge]|03:48 jenrexrode says, "seeya"
[lounge]|03:48 jenrexrode wanders off.
[google]|03:50 ghira says, "I wouldn't expect much to go wrong today"
[google]|03:50 ghira says, "I don't think it did on the previous "ipv6 days""
[google]|03:50 marc says, "famous:last:wor:ds"
[google]|03:52 Gunther says, "I still demand the address 4c0f:fee5:4c0f:fee5:4c0f:fee5:4c0f:fee5"
[lounge]|03:52 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|03:52 * Tale has disconnected.
[google]|03:52 marc says, "yay"
[lounge]|03:54 Whizzard says, "Woo."
[lounge]|03:54 Whizzard says, " http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=3330 "
[lounge]|03:54 Whizzard says, "Trailer of a board game I worked on."
[lounge]|03:55 Gunther says, "But that one city is in a different situation QQ"
[italy]|03:55 ghira says, "and now Ravenna. 4.5 isn't really trying, though"
[lounge]|03:55 Whizzard says, "Just go watch the laser fire."
[italy]|03:56 Gunther says, "plate tectonics, bitches"
[lounge]|03:56 Whizzard says, "The laser is awesome."
[lounge]|03:57 Gunther says, "it's unfortunately downloading at the speed of light in something that makes light really slow"
[videogames]|03:58 Gunther says, "owww"
[videogames]|03:58 Gunther | Following the development of TESO is like watching a train taking a year to crash, in slow motion, into an orphanage. It’s going to be a monumental disaster but for some reason you can’t take your eyes off it.
[whiz-games]|04:00 Whizzard says, "Heh, same 2 old guys on BGG saying "I'm not buying it.""
[whiz-games]|04:00 Whizzard says, "Thank god they were there."
[whiz-games]|04:01 Gunther says, "the laser is nice but the hoo-hah patriotism made me throw up in my mouth a little"
[whiz-games]|04:01 Whizzard asks, "It's Red Dawn the boardgame, what do you want?"
[whiz-games]|04:01 Gunther says, ""Fortress America - Fuck you, Ron Paul""
[whiz-games]|04:02 Gunther says, "i.e. the fluff that Chris chickened out of"
[whiz-games]|04:02 Whizzard says, "You may have missed a certain thread earlier this year, but that blew up all retarded."
[whiz-games]|04:02 Gunther says, "of course it did"
[whiz-games]|04:03 Whizzard says, "Anyway, doesn't really matter if it sells to me."
[whiz-games]|04:03 Gunther says, "and it's your duty to troll these tards as much as possible"
[whiz-games]|04:03 Whizzard says, "I have my copy. Michael Gray has his name on it."
[whiz-games]|04:03 Whizzard says, "I'm content to ignore their existance entirely."
[whiz-games]|04:03 Gunther says, "for example, the trailer should've had a chinese, russian and ..? soldier pissing on the US flag, then setting it on fire"
[whiz-games]|04:04 Gunther says, "and then someone holding up Sarah Palin's and Ron Paul's severed heads"
[whiz-games]|04:05 Whizzard says, "How do you even know these idiots? I couldn't name a single politician in Austria."
[lounge]|04:05 Tale has two uneven arms and his first apearence was at Jamie Carpenters house. In the rising and revealed that he survived the fall and made it to Paris and that he is a Werewolves.
[lounge]|04:05 Tale says, "re"
[lounge]|04:05 Tale says, "re"
[lounge]|04:05 Tale says, "oops+"
[lounge]|04:05 Tale says, "Damn autorefresh"
[whiz-games]|04:05 Gunther says, "mud + news sites"
[whiz-games]|04:06 Whizzard says, "Ick."
[whiz-games]|04:07 Gunther says, "I know, I wish they didn't exist either"
[whiz-games]|04:08 Whizzard says, "I'm pretty good at ignoring them."
[whiz-games]|04:09 Whizzard says, "I just go vote democrat every year lately, and damn the torpedoes."
[blogenfreude]|04:09 DavidW says, "#sex #craigslist #videogames #squick http://www.regretsy.com/2012/06/05/its-on-like-donkey-kong/ "
[lounge]|04:10 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[videogames]|04:11 Gunther says, "ok, this Warface article is a postmodern masterpiece."
[videogames]|04:15 Whizzard asks, "Hey, is there a good E3 summary?"
[videogames]|04:16 Gunther says, "I like the Giantbomb summaries of the press conferences"
[videogames]|04:16 Gunther says, "but they're bizarrely hard to find"
[videogames]|04:16 Gunther says, " http://www.giantbomb.com/news/nintendos-e3-2012-press-conference-still-chasing-dads-after-all-these-years/4197/ "
[videogames]|04:17 Gunther says, " http://www.giantbomb.com/news/sonys-e3-2012-press-conference-a-bloody-post-apocalyptic-quantic-fever-dream/4196/ "
[videogames]|04:17 Gunther says, " http://www.giantbomb.com/news/eas-e3-2012-press-conference-connecting-players-by-any-means-necessary/4193/ "
[videogames]|04:18 Gunther says, " http://www.giantbomb.com/news/ubisofts-e3-2012-press-conference-wonderful-surprises-amid-seething-acrimony/4194/ "
[videogames]|04:18 Gunther says, " http://www.giantbomb.com/news/microsofts-e3-2012-press-conference-usher-ing-in-a-new-era-of-intelligent-glass/4192/ "
[videogames]|04:18 Gunther says, "that's all of them, sorry for the stupidly long links"
[facebook]|04:20 Gunther says, "Facebook is investigating a "problem" where lots of mobile users see no ads"
[facebook]|04:20 Gunther says, "I fail to see how this is a problem for anyone but Facebook"
[facebook]|04:21 Tale says, "ha"
[facebook]|04:21 Tale says, "I thought that wasn't a bug but a feature"
[videogames]|04:24 Whizzard says, "Hmm, Wii U looks like a repeat of Wii. Neat idea, no fucking games."
[mozilla]|04:27 marc says, "scrolling seems a bit smoother in ff13"
[videogames]|04:28 Fang says, "Well, maybe there'll be a lot of PS3/360 ports"
[videogames]|04:29 Gunther says, "there's a port of Arkham Asylum and Mass Effect 3 for no fathomable reason"
[videogames]|04:30 Whizzard asks, "Wonderbooks?"
[videogames]|04:30 Whizzard says, "That sounds like someone stupid got to make some decisions."
[cartoons]|04:31 DavidW says, " http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/25-cartoon-characters-whose-real-names-you-never-k "
[cartoons]|04:34 Fang asks, "people didn't know tweety pie was called that?"
[cartoons]|04:34 DavidW says, "I suppose they might've just known 'Tweety' but not the 'Pie'."
[cartoons]|04:35 Gunther says, "I knew some of them but definitely nowhere near most"
[videogames]|04:35 Whizzard says, "Xbox continues to have nothing to offer me at all."
[cartoons]|04:36 DavidW says, "I think Peppermint Patty's and Tweety's are the only ones I've heard before."
[cartoons]|04:37 DavidW says, "I knew Comic Book Guy had a real name, but I hadn't heard it."
[cartoons]|04:38 DavidW says, "Shaggy's name is a bit of a shock."
[videogames]|04:40 Gunther says, "yeah"
[cartoons]|04:40 Gunther says, "I knew Tweety, Alf and Zoidberg"
[videogames]|04:40 Whizzard says, "And, ubisoft finishes up the show with the only interesting stuff at all. Sad."
[videogames]|04:41 Gunther says, "well, that's the press conferences"
[videogames]|04:41 Gunther says, "they're divorced from the show floor reality"
[health]|04:42 Gunther says, "huh, Dengue vaccines"
[videogames]|04:42 Whizzard says, "Fair enough."
[videogames]|04:43 Whizzard says, "I wonder if kotaku has any show highlights yet that aren't press conference stuff."
[videogames]|04:46 Gunther says, "yes: http://kotaku.com/5916106/kotakus-winners--losers-of-e3-2012-day-two "
[videogames]|04:47 Gunther says, "my god they've become *more* obnoxious since I stopped going there"
[videogames]|04:49 Gunther says, "also they're excited about a motherfucking zombie game"
[lounge]|04:52 two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
[videogames]|04:53 Whizzard says, "Ick."
[videogames]|04:53 Whizzard says, "Hooray, they're using the controller interestingly."
[videogames]|04:53 Whizzard says, "Boo, zombies."
[lounge]|04:53 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|04:53 * Tale has disconnected.
[quotations]|04:53 Fang | The conflicts, in which vendors raided one another's vans and fired shotguns into one another's windscreens, were more violent than might typically be expected between ice-cream salesmen.
[videogames]|04:55 Whizzard says, "Ok, anyway, looks like I'm done with E3."
[videogames]|04:55 Gunther says, "yeah"
[videogames]|04:55 Gunther asks, "you know what made me more excited and giddy than literally all of E3?"
[videogames]|04:55 Gunther says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqwfGqwJlGo "
[videogames]|04:55 Fang asks, "the coffee you just had?"
[videogames]|04:56 Gunther says, "I never drink... coffee."
[lounge]|04:56 ghira asks, "have we heard from matthew since he left?"
[lounge]|04:56 Gunther says, "nope"
[videogames]|04:56 Fang asks, "...what?"
[lounge]|04:57 Gunther says, "he's too busy hanging out with Comdex showgirls"
[videogames]|04:57 Fang asks, "is #fourcoffees a lie?!?"
[lounge]|04:57 Hjalfi is used to charge the ionized magnetic-bottle reaction chamber while confectionile material is injected to the bottle within a flouride suspension.
[videogames]|04:57 Fang exclaims, "my world is turned upside down!"
[lounge]|04:57 marc says, "hjalfster"
[videogames]|04:57 Gunther asks (of Fang), "do you know the story behind 'four coffees'?"
[ebooks]|04:58 Hjalfi exclaims, "Nooo! My precious Kindle!"
[ebooks]|04:58 Hjalfi |cries.
[videogames]|04:58 Fang says, "No."
[ebooks]|04:58 Hjalfi says, "Turns out my case wasn't as waterproof as I thought it was..."
[ebooks]|04:59 Gunther says, "oh no"
[videogames]|04:59 Gunther says (to Fang), "short version: BBC anchor is shown on-camera mouthing "fuck off" at someone"
[videogames]|04:59 Gunther says, "there are complaints, official excuse: she was ordering 'four coffees'"
[ebooks]|04:59 Hjalfi says, "Some of the keys don't respond at all, some incessantly produce spurious keypresses. Everything else is fine."
[videogames]|04:59 marc says, "ha ha"
[ebooks]|04:59 Gunther asks, "turn off, stick in rice for 24 hours?"
[videogames]|05:00 marc says, "i didn't know that"
[ebooks]|05:00 Hjalfi says, "Worth a try. I've been drying it off with warm air overnight and it got a little better, so more dring might help."
[ebooks]|05:01 Hjalfi says, "If this fails, my options are: (a) buy a new one, (b) take it apart and clean the keyboard contacts. (b) is a bit fraught because I have no idea how to open it up and then I would have no idea how to put it back together again."
[ebooks]|05:01 Gunther says, "otherwise I am convinced Amazon will just replace it"
[ebooks]|05:02 Hjalfi says, "I've heard they have good tech support, but it *is* out of warranty..."
[ebooks]|05:03 Hjalfi says, "...and I haven't bought very many books."
[ebooks]|05:03 Hjalfi says, "Ah, well. Tonight I'll try the rice. Ta."
[lounge]|05:04 Emily arrives.
[ebooks]|05:04 Fang asks, "... rice?"
[ebooks]|05:05 Fang asks, "how does the rice help?"
[ebooks]|05:05 Hjalfi says, "Rice is hydroscopic and absorbs water."
[ebooks]|05:05 Hjalfi says, "Old trick (which I had forgotten) for drying off electronics."
[www-sux]|05:05 marc says, "hmm, opera seems pretty slow"
[ebooks]|05:05 Fang says, "huh"
[videogames]|05:14 Hjalfi says, "Sigh. ArsTechnica, announcing that Nintendo are planning to release a Mario for the Wii U is *not* headline quality news."
[videogames]|05:20 Fang asks, "what next, a zelda game as well?!?"
[videogames]|05:20 Hjalfi exclaims, "Don't tell anyone, but I think they're doing one!"
[ebooks]|05:24 Gunther says, "from everything I've seen they're intelligent enough to put customer loyalty over a small loss"
[ebooks]|05:26 Hjalfi says, "I know someone who went through about five. He was an early adopter, and kept breaking his in interesting ways, and they would ask him to send it back for analysis."
[ebooks]|05:27 Gunther says, "friends bought a PS3 on day one from Amazon and it broke after two years. They contacted Amazon about what to do and Amazon sent them a replacemebt Slim, free of charge."
[lounge]|05:28 * DavidW has disconnected.
[lounge]|05:28 * DavidW has connected.
[videogames]|05:29 Gunther says, "o boy 33% of my nintendo prediction has already become true"
[ebooks]|05:30 Gunther says, "also, if this is a keyboard Kindle, the back just pops off"
[ebooks]|05:31 Gunther asks (of Fang), "have you never seen salt shakers with rice in them?"
[board-games]|05:32 Gunther says, "whoa, Martin Wallace moving to NZ"
[depression]|05:34 Fang says, "mmmh http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/06/exercise-doesnt-help-depression-study "
[board-games]|05:35 Psmith says, "no more seeing him at Baycon each year, then, I imagine."
[board-games]|05:36 Gunther says, "also here is a terrible picture of the clever new Quarriors box: http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1332826.jpg "
[board-games]|05:37 Psmith says, "that's impressive."
[board-games]|05:38 Gunther says, "certainly better than the current one"
[board-games]|05:38 Psmith says, "looks a lot easier to manage than our current system of dozens of ziplock baggies."
[board-games]|05:42 Gunther says, "yes indeed"
[board-games]|05:45 Gunther says, "hmm, I wonder if that means he'll also no longer come to Essen"
[board-games]|05:46 Gunther says, "though they'll be there this year since the move is next year, I guess"
[board-games]|05:46 Psmith says, "Essen is the sort of thing for which a trip halfway round the world is at least plausible, I think."
[board-games]|05:48 Gunther says, "yeah, but fuxpensive"
[stupid-moron-people-die-die-die]|05:56 Fang | Demo-Tax-ans-Spend-ocrats
[lounge]|06:00 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|06:00 * Emily has disconnected.
[lounge]|06:02 marc says, "ahh, work"
[jobs]|06:04 marc says, "new bunch of people in the office"
[jobs]|06:04 marc says, "boy are they noisy"
[lounge]|06:15 McMartin says, "Boo, timezone jackassery"
[lounge]|06:16 Gunther asks, "sup?"
[lounge]|06:16 McMartin says, "Have to play mission control to some folks elsewhere on the planet"
[lounge]|06:16 McMartin says, "So I'm getting ready for work and it is 0315."
[lounge]|06:16 Gunther says, "ughh"
[lounge]|06:16 McMartin says, "I got a nap in"
[lounge]|06:16 McMartin says, "And there will be epic tea"
[lounge]|06:16 McMartin says, "And I also have reasonable clearance to flex the Hell out of flex time"
[lounge]|06:18 McMartin says, "Also, I get to play the SpaceChem soundtrack"
[lounge]|06:18 marc asks, "yeesh, 0315?"
[lounge]|06:18 McMartin says, "Well, so, I go on call at 0530. But that means tea, shower, more tea for prep."
[videogames]|06:18 Gunther says, "oh god I sincerely love these people. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-01-the-cunning-stunts-of-stainless "
[lounge]|06:19 marc says, "my wife managed to stress herself out with pending work, worked til 5am, came to bed for about 90 mins then got up, showered and rushed out the door"
[lounge]|06:20 Gunther says, "that can't be good"
[lounge]|06:20 marc says, "no, she really needs to take it easy"
[lounge]|06:21 marc says, "(work stress kept here awake, etc.)"
[jobs]|06:21 marc says, "her*"
[lounge]|06:21 marc says, "her*"
[jobs]|06:21 marc says, "grumble, ilal"
[lounge]|06:21 McMartin says, "My master plan involves leaving work by 1430 or so. We'll see if that works out."
[videogames]|06:21 Gunther says, "I may have to double my pledge"
[lounge]|06:23 marc says (to mcmartin), "i hope there'll be plenty of bwahahaing"
[lounge]|06:23 McMartin says (to marc), "That depends."
[lounge]|06:23 McMartin says, "I sent pretty detailed instructions out two days ago."
[lounge]|06:23 McMartin says, "So I may end up getting a call at 0615 to the effect of "everything's great, you win, go home""
[lounge]|06:23 marc says, "that'd be cool"
[programming]|06:23 McMartin says, "Of course, then I probably should continue on to do the *other* things I'm supposed to do."
[programming]|06:24 marc asks, "which are?"
[programming]|06:24 marc says, "(where do you work btw?)"
[programming]|06:25 McMartin says, "Oops, ILAL"
[programming]|06:25 McMartin says, "But I work for a variant-VDI startup called MokaFive as a software engineer"
[programming]|06:26 marc asks, "interesting gig?"
[programming]|06:27 McMartin says, "Extremely. I've done everything from cross-platform userspace GUI applications to custom filesystem drivers, sometimes on the same day"
[programming]|06:27 marc says, "neat"
[programming]|06:27 McMartin says, "I tend more towards GO FORTH, MY ARMY OF ROBOTS than FOOLS, I'LL DESTROY YOU ALL, though."
[programming]|06:27 marc says, "ha ha"
[programming]|06:28 McMartin says, "Our variant of VDI does almost all the work on the client-side endpoint, which is... not standard, but turns out to work a whole lot better for a lot of use cases"
[programming]|06:28 McMartin says, "The polite phrase for our approach is 'contrarian'"
[programming]|06:29 McMartin says, "But there is a certain sense of > SHOW ALL TO FOOLS in there if you let it creep in"
[programming]|06:29 McMartin says, "This is also why I don't get to work in Marketing or Sales"
[programming]|06:30 McMartin says, "(Kitten: shown. Iron filings: shown. Buttered toast: shown...)"
[programming]|06:30 Hjalfi says, "I used to be like that, and was more or less forbidden to talk to customers... luckily, our CEO basically taught me how to lie. For which I respect him intensely."
[programming]|06:32 McMartin says, "Ha ha"
[programming]|06:32 McMartin says, "Yeah, in my case this is really more 'right tool for the job'"
[programming]|06:32 McMartin says, "I'm better at convincing the cynical seen-it-all sorts that we actually have something"
[programming]|06:32 Hjalfi nods.
[programming]|06:33 McMartin says, "But the VDI space is completely insane anyway - there are cases of customers where they're using us an products normally considered to be our competitors, except that their workflows touch at zero points, and that means that you can run them in each other happily and get the advantages (and disadvantages) of both"
[programming]|06:34 McMartin says, "I'm half convinced that to be a proper technical evangelist in this space you need to be an operations engineer"
[programming]|06:34 Hjalfi asks, "Visual... display... interface?"
[programming]|06:34 McMartin says, "Virtual Desktop Infrastructure"
[programming]|06:34 Hjalfi says, "Sorry, doesn't help."
[programming]|06:35 McMartin says, "The classic version here is 'have a kickass backoffice running VMware ESX or something, have everyone remote in on dumb video terminals'"
[programming]|06:35 Hjalfi exclaims, "Oh, that. Gosh, that's very traditional!"
[programming]|06:35 McMartin says, "Which is great in about three use cases and an extremely expensive boondoggle with obvious fatal flaws everywhere else"
[programming]|06:36 Hjalfi says, "We had a room full of X terminals at university. They sucked big time, but being fanless it was an incredibly relaxing place to do word processing."
[programming]|06:36 McMartin says, "So, you know, desktops and laptops are Pretty Good now, so our use case is more 'your contractors bring in their Macbook Airs, and you push an encrypted VM out to them and they run it in Fusion. You can push updates from the central terminal and they get seamlessly updated in the background without messing with the stuff your contractors put in themselves.'"
[programming]|06:37 McMartin says, "This itself has Obvious Fatal Flaws if you're in a high-information-sanitation environment, but that's rarer than needing mobility and uniformity, and we're honestly in a pretty good compromise point in that space, and it's one that isn't well-populated"
[programming]|06:38 McMartin says, "That's sort of the 10,000-foot view, and as you get closer, this is where the cynical seen-it-all guy starts bringing up various things that go horribly wrong when you do this"
[programming]|06:38 McMartin says, "And then I can outline why that doesn't happen with us."
[programming]|06:39 McMartin says, "(Like multiple machines with the same name on the same network - a thing that you normally solve by walking to every machine and running Sysprep, but which we automate with a different technology. ISTR someone here got burned by not running sysprep a while back, even)"
[programming]|06:39 Hjalfi asks, "Do I smell NetBEUI?"
[programming]|06:40 McMartin says, "I don't believe so - we basically mutate the VM as it's being transferred from the server to the client."
[programming]|06:41 McMartin says, "That may mean we've basically reinvented it, but I don't think we use it directly."
[programming]|06:41 McMartin says, "(One of the places I don't do so well is in direct head-to-head comparison with established IT technologies - I was a CS academic, not an IT professional.)"
[programming]|06:42 McMartin says, "OK, I actually have no idea about whethe ror not we're using the Windows tech that does that, in fact."
[programming]|06:42 Hjalfi says, "You realise, of course, that Sun did rich clients with proper client-side processing and high-level MVC between the client and the server etc back in the 1990s with NeWS and Display Postscript."
[programming]|06:43 McMartin says, "Yeah, our big thing is that once you're prepped, the amount of server work required is actually zero."
[lounge]|06:43 Hjalfi nods.
[programming]|06:43 McMartin says, "Because you *aren't remoting*."
[lounge]|06:43 Hjalfi says, "InAC."
[programming]|06:43 Hjalfi asks, "I assume you still need your traditional server resources for data storage?"
[programming]|06:43 McMartin says, "VDI didn't get buzzwordy until 2 years ago, and it then fell out of favor again almost as fast because it really is rarely a good idea"
[programming]|06:43 McMartin says, "Yeah, and for policy management and stuff."
[programming]|06:43 McMartin says, "And you can use that for killswitches and such"
[programming]|06:44 McMartin says, "But you can also cut subscriptions loose for a set period of time which means your traveling salesmen or CEOs can keep their desktop usable as needed when off the grid."
[programming]|06:44 McMartin says, "There are other ways of doing this - ISTR VMware ACE did this - but my understanding is that we were better at this than the other guys"
[programming]|06:44 McMartin says, "And, well, VMware discontinued ACE, so."
[programming]|06:45 McMartin says, "re: NetBEUI, I think you could actually use that to make an endrun around all of these technologies - I'm pretty sure all the basic VMware stuff can speak that so if you had the infrastructure in place you could roll your own."
[programming]|06:46 McMartin says, "That sounds like more work than just buying and deploying our stuff though >_>"
[programming]|06:46 Hjalfi says, "I am continually frustrated by how little the state-of-the-art with computing seems to have moved on. We seem to be stuck with the same desktop model of processing that we've had for decades (even when done cleverly)."
[programming]|06:46 Hjalfi says, "There *has* to be a better way to do it than that."
[programming]|06:47 McMartin says, "Maybe, but the big solution before was to replicate the mainframe world that the desktops saved us from."
[programming]|06:47 McMartin says, "Not Really An Improvement"
[programming]|06:48 McMartin says, "I'm completely unconvinced by tablets, at least for standard office and clerical work"
[programming]|06:51 McMartin says, "Oh wait, you mean Desktop here as in Windows-D, not as in 'emplaced machine in a location with all the goodies also emplaced'"
[programming]|06:51 Hjalfi says, "Actually, I do mean the latter."
[programming]|06:52 McMartin says, "We've had offices for a really long time."
[programming]|06:52 Hjalfi says, "Since all current applications have to be hosted in an OS, the only mobility option is to replicate the entire OS in a VM. Which seems a waste."
[programming]|06:53 Hjalfi says, "HTML5 has made some progress towards allowing server-oriented apps that can also run disconnected, but the technology is such a sick joke that it's impossible to use. And functionality is painfully limited in disconnected mode anyway."
[programming]|06:53 Hjalfi says, "There *has* to be some better way."
[programming]|06:54 McMartin says, "I'm referring to the more basic thing of 'when I am at work, I need a space for all my things that let me work'. This is generally a desk and some shelves in a space. That's a sunk cost, to the point that I gain very little even from putting everything on a laptop and carrying it around."
[programming]|06:54 marc says, "please, just use node.js"
[programming]|06:54 marc says, "it solves all problems, cures all ills"
[programming]|06:54 McMartin says, "Somehow I don't think Node.js will let me do my filesystem work."
[programming]|06:54 Hjalfi says, "That's just a UI issue, though --- the user doesn't care where the data is stored provided it's accessible. Remote if they're connected, local synced copy if they're disconnected, etc."
[programming]|06:55 marc exclaims (at mcm), "then your filesystem work is in vain!"
[programming]|06:55 McMartin says (to Hjalfi), "They mind as soon as something goes wrong."
[programming]|06:55 marc says, "okay, i'll stop being obnoxious now"
[programming]|06:56 McMartin says, "Note that 'edited the same file on two different offline machines' will count as 'something going wrong' in most cases"
[programming]|06:56 Hjalfi asks, "How do you handle that issue?"
[programming]|06:56 McMartin says, "The usual way is to yell at the user about a sync conflict and create two new randomly named files and tell them to fix it"
[programming]|06:56 Hjalfi says, "Ah, yes, the traditional approach."
[programming]|06:57 McMartin says, "Well, no, the traditional approach has merges at least be possible because it makes unreasonable-in-general assumptions about file contents"
[programming]|06:57 Hjalfi says, "Without special knowledge of the document format I don't really think there's a better way to handle it."
[programming]|06:57 McMartin says, "Indeed."
[programming]|06:57 Hjalfi says, "(One of the more interesting things about Google Wave.)"
[programming]|06:57 McMartin says, "Also, when the files are encrypted or compressed in their storage format."
[lounge]|06:58 Rob comes right on in.
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Rob says, "rghrjk"
[google] Fang asks, "is there a way to google for the '$' character?"
marc says, "robble robble"
McMartin says, "Yay onions"
[Italian] Rob asks, "what's the italian pronunciation of spaghetti?"
[Italian] Rob says, "also what's a spaghet"
[Italian] annabianca says, "spago is cord/string"
[Italian] annabianca says, "spaghetto is little spago"
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Recapping 131 of 131 lines from misc/personal/dw:
[DustWorld]/001 DavidW says, "oops. Slept thru NightFloyd."
[DustWorld]/002 genericgeekgirl says, "No worries. Nobody showed up."
[DustWorld]/003 DavidW says, "Also got the 'we need to talk' post-it from roommate. Always an ominous sign that he's pissed at me."
[DustWorld]/004 borowski says, "Eek."
[DustWorld]/005 borowski says, "Or pregnant."
[DustWorld]/006 DavidW says, "No, I'm sure his complaint is that I've been lax yet again with the chores and I left a water spill on the stovetop."
[DustWorld]/007 borowski says, "IRTA 'Bastion' and thought that was an odd comparison."
[DustWorld]/008 DavidW says, "I didn't say anything like 'Bastion'."
[DustWorld]/009 borowski says, "Sorry, ILAC"
[DustWorld]/010 borowski says, "At least the roommate is being direct.  It's better than passive-aggressive chore wars."
[DustWorld]/011 BrenBarn says, "that was why it was odd"
[DustWorld]/012 borowski says, "Oh I know.  Watching Zero Punctuation video game reviews."
[DustWorld]/013 borowski says, "Damn ILAC again"
[DustWorld]/014 DavidW asks, "You don't find post-it notes passive-aggressive? The 'we need to talk' mantra to make me highly uncomfortable and let rage grow instead of actual talking face to face?"
[DustWorld]/015 borowski says, "I can see that."
[DustWorld]/016 DavidW says, "He always does it this way. If not with a post-it, a 'we need to talk' just as he's literally walking out the front door without giving me a chance to ask 'about what?'"
[DustWorld]/017 borowski says, "I guess it would make me nervous too."
[DustWorld]/018 borowski says, "Ah, yeah if he does it often.  I was assuming this was a one-off thing."
[DustWorld]/019 DavidW says, "god no. This is standard operating procedure for his highness."
[DustWorld]/020 borowski says, "heh"
[DustWorld]/021 borowski asks, "He's picky about chores?"
[DustWorld]/022 DavidW says, "He actually increased them a month or two ago. His father's housekeeper always put blue chemicals every day in the toilet bowl back in South Africa, so I should be putting chemicals in the toilet bowl daily too, for example."
[DustWorld]/023 borowski says, "Oh wow."
[DustWorld]/024 DavidW says, "And 'it only takes a few minutes and you're home all day, there's no reason you can't do this'."
[DustWorld]/025 borowski asks, "Is he sure it wasn't Smurfs forgetting to flush?"
[DustWorld]/026 DavidW says, "Furthermore, not doing chores is 'disrespectful'."
[DustWorld]/027 borowski says, "You might be home more often but that doesn't mean you should do more chores."
[DustWorld]/028 DavidW says, "I have no bargaining power in this."
[DustWorld]/029 borowski says, "I don't think I've ever had official chore agreements before."
[DustWorld]/030 DavidW says, "Remember, he owns the place, I pay rent to him."
[DustWorld]/031 borowski says, "In fact, I started writing a play in which a chore wheel destroys everyone's lives."
[DustWorld]/032 DavidW says, "We're not equals in our home."
[DustWorld]/033 jenrexrode says, "oh"
[DustWorld]/034 DavidW says, "(which means he can keep the jenga party in the dish drying rack going for months at a time, leaving me nowhere for my dishes to dry)"
[DustWorld]/035 DavidW says, "(for example)"
[DustWorld]/036 borowski says, "Well, I'd say you ought to do be equals if you are both paying equal rent."
[DustWorld]/037 DavidW says, "(I am not allowed to complain about such things, because he works and I don't. He doesn't have the time.)"
[DustWorld]/038 DavidW says, "We are not paying equal rent."
[DustWorld]/039 DavidW says, "I have no idea what he pays to the condo corp or what the hydro bill looks like."
[DustWorld]/040 borowski says, "That's still no reason for him to be rude."
[DustWorld]/041 DavidW says, "He would be very insulted if you claimed he was being rude."
[DustWorld]/042 DavidW says, "From his point of view, he is being polite, reasonable, and patient."
[DustWorld]/043 DavidW says, "He works all these jobs and he thinking it's not unreasonable to expect a clean home to come home to at the end of the day (or first thing in the morning, or whenever he needs to sleep)."
[DustWorld]/044 borowski says, "Sure, I didn't mean to say he was purposefully being rude."
[DustWorld]/045 DavidW says, "Still, I'm always at fault and he never is. And because I am lax more often than I should be, it's a continuing problem."
[DustWorld]/046 borowski says, "If my roommate told me I had cleaned the toilet incorrectly, I'd be offended."
[DustWorld]/047 DavidW says, "Damn. I forgot to email my brother yesterday. It was his birthday."
[DustWorld]/048 DavidW says, "Also, I'm likely going to get in trouble with my new job search workshop, since I haven't put in the necessary hours for the week."
[DustWorld]/049 DavidW says, "So it's going to be a very sucky day."
[DustWorld]/050 borowski asks, "job search workshop?"
[DustWorld]/051 DavidW says, "well, I don't know if workshop is the right word."
[DustWorld]/052 DavidW says, "Call it a job search program, I guess."
[DustWorld]/053 borowski says, "Ah."
[DustWorld]/054 DavidW says, "This one is called... 45+ Experienced Worker Program, it looks like."
[DustWorld]/055 borowski asks, "How is the search going?"
[DustWorld]/056 DavidW says, "When I applied for it, I was told it was a poor fit for me, but I said that my caseworker recommended it for me and I didn't have any other obvious options to persue."
[DustWorld]/057 DavidW says (to borowski), "Extremely poorly."
[DustWorld]/058 borowski says, "I'm sorry."
[DustWorld]/059 DavidW says, "After all these years of unemployment, and all these workshops, programs, advisors, etc., I still feel quite clueless how to help myself."
[DustWorld]/060 DavidW says, "I still don't know what to look for or where to realistically find it."
[DustWorld]/061 borowski says, "Yes, I'm finding the job search process frustrating."
[DustWorld]/062 borowski says, "I feel like I worked really hard in college and now nobody gives a crap about that."
[DustWorld]/063 borowski asks, "Do the workshops help you connect with employers?"
[DustWorld]/064 DavidW says, "After all these years of unemployment, and all these workshops, programs, advisors, etc., I still feel quite clueless how to help myself."
[DustWorld]/065 DavidW says, "ack. This darn keyboard"
[DustWorld]/066 DavidW says, "None ever has, but this one supposedly can according to its info sheet. I'll believe it when I see it."
[DustWorld]/067 borowski says, "I'd think helping you get your foot in the door would be one of the best things an organization like that could do."
[DustWorld]/068 DavidW says, "yeah, maybe."
[DustWorld]/069 DavidW says, "My friend Lyn has a new job. S/he used to work at the library; now s/he's helping disadvantaged kids, although I don't know the details."
[DustWorld]/070 DavidW says, "(Lyn is transgendered; that's why I'm using 's/he'.)"
[DustWorld]/071 boucher says, "It's more fun to confuse people if their transition happened between two events.  So you can say, 'He used to work at the library; now she's helping kids.'"
[DustWorld]/072 DavidW says, "I'm wondering if his/her work at Medix or being a living book helped him/her make the necessary contacts."
[DustWorld]/073 DavidW says, "Lyn is staying inbetween, though."
[DustWorld]/074 boucher says, "Ah"
[DustWorld]/075 borowski asks, "A living book? Like in Fahrenheit 451?"
[DustWorld]/076 DavidW says, "Lyn is biologically male, but as far as I know, has never done surgery or hormone treatment, although I really don't know."
[DustWorld]/077 DavidW says, "I never took out any of the living books from the library, but they're actual people that, for a time, you could take out for an hour or two, I think, and ask them about their chosen topic."
[DustWorld]/078 boucher says, "I believe I shared how one professor I had who said at the beginning of the term, while taking roll, that he liked to keep accurate records.  So if anyone changed their name during the term, to please tell him."
[DustWorld]/079 DavidW says, "Each living book has a story to tell about themselves, so you could learn what it's like to be Chinese or a war veteran or lesbian or whatever."
[DustWorld]/080 borowski says, "Huh."
[DustWorld]/081 boucher says, "He continued to explain, 'You know, in case you get married...or, as in the case of at least one of my students, change genders.'"
[DustWorld]/082 DavidW says, "Lyn"
[DustWorld]/083 DavidW says, "Lyn's topic was transgenderism, of course."
[DustWorld]/084 boucher says, "Lyn is nice and neutral already, so if that's always been his name, no problem there."
[DustWorld]/085 borowski says, "Interesting."
[DustWorld]/086 two-star says, "I should totally be a living book for Pentominoes."
[DustWorld]/087 boucher says, "Just skip the book part and become a living pentomino."
[DustWorld]/088 borowski says, "It can be difficult to ask a person "What is it like to be X" in casual conversation without making them feel the token X."
[DustWorld]/089 borowski says, "Or at least I feel like that's what I'm doing."
[DustWorld]/090 boucher asks (of borowski), "What's it's like to be the one who feels awkward asking questions?"
[DustWorld]/091 borowski says, "haha"
[DustWorld]/092 DavidW says, "yeah, I don't know how the living books worked out in practice, if it was a one-time thing or seasonal or what."
[DustWorld]/093 borowski says (to boucher), "It's tough.  I think my family is finally starting to accept me."
[DustWorld]/094 DavidW says, "hm, http://humanlibrary.org/what-is-a-living-book.html seems like it might the website about this."
[DustWorld]/095 borowski says, "Yeah, that looks like what you where talking. It seems to be mostly European."
[DustWorld]/096 boucher says, "The biggest problem with a project like this is that it seems like they might have trouble getting people to ask them about their supposed topic, rather than about the meta-topic of choosing to be a human book."
[DustWorld]/097 borowski says, "There's also the issue of forgetting about the living book in the back of your closet and racking up huge late fees."
[DustWorld]/098 DavidW says, "It sounds like people are nervous at first, but gain confidence the more they read."
[DustWorld]/099 DavidW | ?The Arthritis book was my favorite,? said Health and Social Care student Kirstie Storey, after reading five different books with fellow student Kerry Fitzgerald, ?it was really open and polite when we asked about the condition, and was really informative too.
[DustWorld]/100 borowski says, "It seems like a great way to meet interesting people."
[DustWorld]/101 DavidW says, "uh-huh"
[DustWorld]/102 boucher says, "I'd feel bad about trying to get an arthritis book to open up, considering how painful that might be."
[DustWorld]/103 borowski asks, "Wait, so that person was prejudice against arthritic people?"
[DustWorld]/104 boucher says, "It doesn't have to be about prejudice, just ignorance."
[DustWorld]/105 DavidW says, "I'm not pre-supposing anything about the readers."
[DustWorld]/106 DavidW says, "Looking at past events page, I guess Lyn was part of '2010 Kitchener Public Library, Ontario, Canada"
[DustWorld]/107 borowski says, "Yeah, I was about to say that it seems active in Canada the past couple of years."
[DustWorld]/108 jenrexrode says, "might be a dead book then"
[DustWorld]/109 DavidW says, "eep."
[DustWorld]/110 DavidW says, "Just say out of circulation or moved to a private collection."
[DustWorld]/111 boucher asks, "How long before someone tries for the honor of being the first banned living book?"
[DustWorld]/112 jenrexrode says, "oh wow, I didn't know I was lagged"
[DustWorld]/113 boucher says, "'So...tell me a bit about what it's like to sell me drugs and then have unprotected sex with me.'"
[DustWorld]/114 jenrexrode exclaims, "and then I got booted!"
[DustWorld]/115 DavidW says, "hm. I wonder if any of the living books are about crme? I doubt they'd do that, but, I dunno."
[DustWorld]/116 borowski says, "I see 'ex-gang member' on the FAQ."
[DustWorld]/117 DavidW says, "yeah, that seems closest."
[DustWorld]/118 DavidW says, "oh good, Stripper is on the list."
[DustWorld]/119 borowski says, "Felon might be interesting too."
[DustWorld]/120 DavidW says, "No 'Nudist' or 'Naturist' book."
[DustWorld]/121 borowski says, "I'm sure there are prejudices around that.  Though of course that could also create problems for the event."
[DustWorld]/122 borowski says, "Though maybe that's my prejudice."
[DustWorld]/123 DavidW says, "Nudists have no trouble putting on clothes when necessary."
[DustWorld]/124 borowski says, "Oh, I mean the felons."
[DustWorld]/125 borowski asks, "'The Healer': what exactly does that refer to?"
[DustWorld]/126 DavidW asks, "I guess it means Faith Healer?"
[DustWorld]/127 borowski says, "I suppose so.  I certainly have a prejudice there."
[DustWorld]/128 DavidW says, "hm. No Atheist book."
[DustWorld]/129 Tale asks (of davidW), "Hm?"
[DustWorld]/130 DavidW says, "We were talking about living books earlier. humanlibrary.org"
[DustWorld]/131 Gunther says, "the first living book that comes to mind is Homer"
Recapped 131 of 131 lines from misc/personal/dw.
Recapping 17 of 17 lines from misc/personal/two-story:
[two-story]/001 two-star says, "Oh dear. I have a "bio sheet" form to fill out for my HS reunion."
[two-story]/002 two-star says, ""Highlights of your life since high school""
[two-story]/003 two-star says, "I could go with "Having a good programming job, which I threw away, 6 years ago, and haven't managed to get another proper job since""
[two-story]/004 borowski says, "Eh.  I plan on making up some stuff about how I collect penguins for eccentric millionaries."
[two-story]/005 two-star says, "Maybe, "Flaming out of a teaching program""
[two-story]/006 boucher says (to two-star), "It seems you've had a few fulfilling hobbies lately"
[two-story]/007 boucher says, "Maybe you can write about them"
[two-story]/008 two-star says, "Oh yes. There's a "Favorite pastimes" box. That one I can do."
[two-story]/009 two-star says, "Favorite High School Memories: Not having a single requited crush. Being utterly depressed. Failing half of my classes Junior year because I couldn't see the point of doing any of the stupid work that I was supposed to do."
[two-story]/010 two-star says, "Being asked, "Why are you here?" by the people I was eating lunch with, and proceding to hide in a corner of a hallway to eat lunch for the rest of my freshman year."
[two-story]/011 boucher says, "Perhaps you just not the reunion-going sort.  I didn't go to my last one.  May not go to my next one."
[two-story]/012 boucher says, "you're*"
[two-story]/013 two-star says, "Oh, I'm going."
[two-story]/014 two-star says, "Somebody has to make everyone else feel better about their lives."
[two-story]/015 ghira says, "I don't know if my high school does reunions"
[two-story]/016 ghira says, "I am not aware of there being any but don't imagine my high school has ever know where I live since I left"
[two-story]/017 ghira says, "My college at Cambridge does them but I've not been to any."
Recapped 17 of 17 lines from misc/personal/two-story.
[Italian] Rob says, "ah, it all makes sense"
[Italian] Rob says, "but wait, the english say a hard g when saying spaghetti too"
[Italian] annabianca says, " http://www.dizionario.rai.it/poplemma.aspx?lid=15967 "
[Italian] Gunther says, "it's g vs dj"
[Italian] Gunther says, "e.g. giro vs ghiro"
[Italian] Gunther says, "or aggiungere"
[Italian] ghira says, "I was thinking of the double t"
[Italian] annabianca says, "well.. doubles are a pain"
[Italian] ghira says, "native English speakers are terrible at (i) double letters and (ii) using neutral vowels / schwa sounds even though Italian doesn't have them"
[Italian] ghira says, "I would include myself in this"
[Italian] ghira says, "people from Milan are also apparently terrible at double letters. so maybe if you're a native English speaker, cultivate a Milanese accent and/or get an Italian teacher from Milan"
[Italian] Rob asks, "oh, are both t's enunciated?"
[Italian] ghira says, "at Cambridge they made us read sentences full of things like "innumerevoli poliziotti" into cassette recorders"
[Italian] Rob says, "also I know I have a tendency to pronounce double-t in sort of a lazy way that sounds more like a d or maybe a dt"
[Italian] ghira says (to rob), "it should sound like spa-ghet-ti"
[Italian] Rob says, "after hearing brits crisply pronounce 'kettle' I realized I probably say something closer to 'keddle'"
[Italian] Rob says (to ghira), "if I say that in an italian accent both t's happen naturally"
[Italian] Rob says, "apart from the unnaturality of speaking in an italian accent"
[Italian] Rob says, "also a hand gesture seems to happen"
[Italian] Rob says, "spUHgeddy"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "hm, DW's life sounds a lot like mine"
[programming] McMartin says, "Also, it turns out that designing meaningful and useful unit tests for an assembler is kind of tricky and interesting."
[Italian] ghira says (to rob), "get some Londoners to say "little metal bottle" to you. it can sound like "li-u me-h bo-u""
[Italian] Rob says, "yah"
[Italian] Rob says, "I can do the london glo'al"
[programming] Hjalfi says, "From the Dept of Old: '...It is our goal that Backbone be usable (but perhaps not snappy) on a high-end Pentium (~200MHz) system with 64Mb of memory.'"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "I also live in a leverageless situation where I get passive-aggressive notes left for me that make me feel infuriated with frustration at the sight of them"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "that an perpetual unemployment going into my 40s"
Emily arrives.
marc says, "lunch"
[Canada] DavidW says, "blugh. More body parts found, a hand and a foot mailed to Vancouver schools. Unclear if linked to the Montreal case yet."
[Canada] Fang asks, "can't they catch such items in the postal system?"
[Canada] Rob says, "I wonder what the deal is with sending them to schools"
[Canada] Rob says, "apart from having no way of relating to the fiendish acts in the first place"
[Canada] Gunther says, "being an asshole"
[Canada] Fang says, "the deal is "I am a monster, and I want to create the maximum distress/media publicity possible for my crimes.""
Quotations:
K-Y (quoted by Rob, 05-Jun-12):
  [space] K-Y says, "I imagine all people living in space listening exclusively to Pink Floyd and Holst"
inky (quoted by two-star, 05-Jun-12):
  [gayrights] inky says, "Q. Why is 8 afraid of 9?  A. Because 9 denied 8's en banc rehearing"
#1 [alt/mamster-sux]               From: inky          Date: 05-Jun-12 19:43
Subject: mamster in the onion
http://www.theonion.com/articles/shrieking-vilsack-wakes-from-nightmare-about-being,28353/
[mamster-sux] Rob asks, "mamster wrote that?"
Recapping 2 of 2 lines from alt/mamster-sux:
[mamster-sux]/001 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! inky has posted message 1, about 'mamster in the onion', to the bulletin board! Beetle boop!"
[mamster-sux]/002 Rob asks, "mamster wrote that?"
Recapped 2 of 2 lines from alt/mamster-sux.
[mamster-sux] Rob says, "huhh"
[tech] Fang says, "this is neat http://singularityhub.com/2012/06/05/buttons-morph-out-of-your-touchscreen-with-tactus/ "
[mamster-sux] Rob says, "how'd he get an onion gig? let alone the headline story in the print edition"
[Canada] Gunther says, "and of course the media are playing right into his hands"
[tech] Rob says, "that'd be good when I'm fumbling to take a picture of myself and have to tap randomly several times until I hit the button"
[space] Rob says, "oh yeah I can look at venus transit pics today"
[tech] Fang says, "it's interesting, anyway... I wonder if any scifi managed to predict stuff like this"
[tech] Gunther says, "sf didn't even predict the internet"
[tech] Gunther says, "which is why my POV is that the internet *was* the singularity"
[tech] Fang says, "hmm"
[space] Gunther says, " http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/13/44/32/3032721/3/628x471.jpg "
[tech] Hjalfi says (to Gunther), "*cough*Shockwave Rider*cough*"
[space] Rob says, "mm nice one from NASA, full of orangey sunfire"
<Lionheart> "You'd rather have a male technician? Do you have a racial or religious preference, so I can tell dispatch who to send?"
[tech] Gunther says, "still not to the extent we're using it"
[space] Hjalfi says, "That is stupidly awesome."
[space] Gunther says, "Taj Mahal"
[space] Gunther says, "I'm looking at http://www.chron.com/news/article/AP-Photos-Looking-up-Earth-watches-Venus-3612596.php "
[tech] Rob says, "you should go to a singularity conf and present your mind-blowing theory to harumphs and uproar"
[tech] Gunther says, "oh man, fuck singularity people"
[space] Rob says, "that one with the bird silhouette could have been a #minicomp cover art"
[tech] Fang says (to Gunther), "well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_in_the_Twentieth_Century "
[tech] Hjalfi says, "Bah, singularities are two a penny. We've been through at least one this century alone."
[tech] Rob says, "I'm imagining something like the reaction to stravinsky's sacre du printemps"
[tech] Gunther says (to Fang), "people predicted *a* global network, but still, none to the extent we're using"
[tech] Rob asks, "have we now?"
[tech] Rob says, "I caught the darmok episode of TNG within the past year and noticed there's a retrospectively giggle-inducing long sequence where troi and data and maybe geordi basically try to do a google search with voice commands"
[tech] Rob says, "it was really high tech in 1991 I guess"
[tech] Gunther asks, "...didn't TNG have a voice-activated computer all the time?"
[tech] Rob says, "yeah but they're doing one search term at a time and trying to refine it because the results are too broad"
[tech] Fang asks (of Gunther), "maybe Fahrenheit 451 is a better prophecy, then?"
[tech] Gunther says, "I don't know what Data and Troi would search for"
[tech] Rob says, "perhaps google doesn't survive world war iii"
[tech] Gunther says, "but Geordi? Porn."
[tech] Rob says, "why search for it when he's got the holodeck"
[tech] Gunther says, "because his love interest totally catches him"
[tech] Rob says, "although the whole lonely-geek side of geordi is kind of touching, also in retrospect"
[tech] Gunther says, ""Computer, erase search history." "Sending search history to Picard." "STOOOORYHAAAAAAAAAAARPP!!!!""
[tech] Rob says, "although in the alt-future of the final episode geordi has finally married and started a family"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "BTW, it's not true that the Federation has lost the art of making seatbelts. They know how to make seatbelts. What they've forgotten how to make are *fuses*. None of the bridge consoles have seatbelts because nobody wants to be strapped to one in a crisis..."
[tech] Rob says, "ha ha"
[tech] Rob says, "they seem to fix or be able to work with exploded sparking consoles pretty quickly though"
[tech] Gunther says, "I'm convinced the Sparkler Alert is one level above Red Alert, not actually an explosion"
[tech] Rob says, "a good theory"
[tech] Gunther says, "what I don't get is why they don't have a cardanic bridge"
[tech] Rob asks, "cardanic?"
[tech] Hjalfi asks, "One step about Pink Alert (which requires changing the bulb) is Somersaulting Red Shirt Alert?"
[tech] Gunther says (to Rob), "suspended on two axes so it's always at the same position no matter what the ship around it moves like"
[tech] Rob says, "hmm"
[tech] Gunther says, "e.g. ovens on actual ships are cardanic so they don't spill everything out on the floor if the ship leans"
[tech] Rob says, "how do you know so much about the ways of naval oven science mlord"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "I know that as 'on gymbals'."
[tech] Gunther says, " http://agileorganisation.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/img_1852.jpg "
[tech] Gunther says (to Rob), "because I've sailed ships with that kind of oven"
[tech] Fang says, "maybe the answer is that fed starships aren't designed to be warships"
[tech] Fang says, "they aren't supposed to be fired on, and inertial dampeners are supposed to catch everything"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "You'd think that a starship with artificial gravity and 'inertial dampers' (whatever the hell they are) wouldn't throw people around quite as much."
[tech] Rob says, "trying to avoid the 'because it's a tv show and needs drama and tilting and explosions' explanation"
[tech] Gunther says (to Fang), "that would be remarkably shortsighted for a federation that is constantly at war with Klingons, Romulans, Borg, Remans, ..."
[tech] Rob asks, "Remans?"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "When I watched _Das Boot_ I suddenly realised what all the Trek interior scenes where supposed to reflect."
[tech] Rob says, "since when"
[tech] Gunther says, "Remus is the planet that isn't Romulus"
[tech] Rob says, "yuh huh"
[tech] Gunther asks, "also isn't Nemesis from Remus?"
[tech] Rob says, "hmmm maybe"
[tech] Gunther says, "er, that Picard clone in Nemesis"
[tech] Rob says (to Hjalfi), "mmhmm"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "...also, damn good film, watch it."
[tech] Rob says, "also nicholas meyer was a big fan of the Master & Commander series"
[tech] Gunther says nothing for once
[tech] Rob says (to Gunther), "wow"
[tech] Fang asks, "you watched Nemesis?"
[tech] Rob says, "the 3 hour version or the 9 hour version"
[tech] Gunther says (to Hjalfi), "that ghost/horror movie set on a submarine had a great effect for being depthcharged that Das Boot didn't, and people have said would be realistic"
[tech] Hjalfi asks (of Rob), "Nemesis or Das Boot?"
[tech] Rob says, "a few months ago I came across my parents both happily watching Nemesis"
[tech] Gunther says, "every minute of Nemesis was like 9 hours"
[tech] Rob says, "and my dad asking a plot clarification question and my mom answering it"
[tech] Rob says, "that was pretty hilarious"
[tech] Gunther says, "especially every minute involving Data or B-fucking-4"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "Of all the terrible Trek movies that should not have been made, Nemesis was one."
[tech] Lionheart says, "Yeah, they're not constantly at war with Remans, since they only show up in one movie"
[tech] Gunther says, "anyway, in that other movie, whenever a depth charge hit the sub, the sub would be displaced by the explosion cavity and people would thunk against the ceiling"
[tech] Fang asks (of Rob), "so when did you run out screaming in this anecdote?"
[tech] Rob says, "ouch"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "Huh. Nice. Also, pretty obvious that would actually happen with a near miss."
[tech] Rob says, "I left them politely to their having a movie together"
[tech] Hjalfi asks, "How did they do it? Yanked on people with wires?"
[tech] Gunther says, "thus, that movie >> das boot"
[tech] Gunther says, "now to try to remember enough to figure out its name"
[tech] Gunther says, "ah. Below."
[tech] Gunther says, " http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276816/ "
[tech] Fang says, "ghosts on a submarine seems a neat combo"
[tech] Lionheart says (to Gunther), "And Wikia tells me that the Picard clone's name is Shinzon."
[tech] Gunther says, "it's pretty nifty"
Emily has disconnected.
Emily has connected.
[tech] Gunther says, "directed by Twohy, produced by Aronofsky"
[tech] Gunther says, "stars Bruce Greenwood"
[tech] Hjalfi | Opening Weekend: $201,431 (USA)
[tech] Hjalfi exclaims, "!!!"
[tech] Rob says, "but without Das Boot we wouldn't have had Air Force One"
[tech] Rob says, "which watching it again now is precisely the image of the president that the Bush administration was trying to sell for 8 years"
[tech] Gunther says, "you say that as if it were a bad thing"
[tech] Rob says, "it's sort of the flip side of the prophetic starship troopers reading"
[tech] Fang says, "this plot synposis sounds kinda dumb though"
[tech] Rob says, "Twohy"
[tech] Gunther says (to Fang), "it was a product of the "spooky stuff happens" era of horror movies"
[tech] Rob says, "that was a great 5 months"
[tech] Gunther says, "or suspense, I guess"
[tech] Gunther says, "I'd put it in a category with "The Others""
[tech] Gunther says, "not quality-wise necessarily but feel-wise"
[tech] Rob says, "I kept hearing The Others was good but never watched it"
[tech] Fang says, "man, Twohy does not have a very good Filmography"
[tech] Fang says, "The Chronicles of Riddick? lool"
</Gunther> You cannot become a viking overnight, unless you are a viking, in which case you can.
<Gunther> I like above all the railway vehicle! I love baseball after! I also cast magic ball!
[tech] Gunther asks, "writer or director?"
[tech] Rob says, "the famous critters 2"
[tech] Gunther says, "also Pitch Black was pretty good"
[tech] Rob says, "you thought? hm"
[tech] Fang says, "director"
[tech] Gunther says, "the rest, meh"
[tech] Fang asks, "huh, they are still making another riddick film?"
[tech] Rob says, "I just can't look at vin diesel for more than 3 seconds without changing the channel"
[tech] Gunther says (to Rob), "I thought then, I guess"
[tech] Gunther says, "I like Vin Diesel because he is an unashamed nerd"
[tech] Rob asks, "is he?"
[tech] Gunther says, "he looks like this macho asshole"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "One of the never made films I'd like to see is the version of Event Horizon where they go the psychological horror route rather than the throwing-vats-of-blood-around route. EH is really good up until the exact moment where they throw the vat of blood at one of the characters. Then it's stupid."
[tech] Rob says, "what nerdiness is he into"
[tech] Gunther says, "and then he talks about how he talked Judi Dench into playing D&D with him"
[tech] Rob asks, "is event horizon the thing with sam neill?"
[tech] Fang asks, "oh yeah, Vin Diesel *was* in Saving Private Ryan, wasn't they?"
[tech] Gunther says, "oh god Event Horizon"
[tech] Gunther says (to Rob), "yes"
[tech] Fang says, "*wasn't he"
[tech] Rob says, "also that has a cat-mrEEOWWR scare that made me throw up my hands"
[tech] Rob says, "heh 'they' as pronoun for vin diesel"
[tech] Gunther says (to Rob), "oh yeah, totally not ripped off from the actual chiller in Aliens"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "True."
[tech] Rob says, "I rewatched Alien and Aliens in a row recently"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "...watched _Alien_ just the other day. Good film."
[tech] Rob says, "kind of enjoyed them both still"
[tech] Gunther says, "I just got goosebumps from thinking about that scene in Aliens"
[tech] Fang says, "oh you sissy"
[tech] Rob asks, "which scene?"
[tech] Gunther says, "and that's just the cat going HISSSSS"
[tech] Rob says, "oh ok"
[tech] Gunther says, "and then BAM! ALIEN!"
[tech] Rob says, "early on"
[tech] Gunther says, "and then she wakes up"
[programming] McMartin says, "Awesome"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "Surprising just how little they show you; not just the monster itself, but the effects in general are very spare. The Nostromo landing on the planet is just closeups of the Nostromo with fog in the background, for example."
[programming] McMartin says, "My plan for this bit of my hobby project was fundamentally broken"
[tech] Rob says, "it's really weird because the scene where she meets the annoying paul reiser character is part of a dream sequence"
[tech] Rob says, "so she never actually meets him"
[programming] McMartin says, "A bit of redesign later, and I discover I already did everything but fill in a data table 10 years ago"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "Also, there is very little background music. It's mostly silence and ambient sounds. (And is the better for it.)"
[tech] Rob says, "yeah, great production design / cinematography / sound design"
[tech] Gunther says, "both Alien and Aliens are superb"
[tech] Rob says, "and direction. and acting. which is why it seems like a good film"
[tech] Rob says, "well you know I like cameron anyway"
[tech] Gunther says, "Alien is a big reason why I still watch every Ridley Scott movie"
[tech] Rob says, "hm though I never did actually review aliens"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "It would have been better had they put the deleted scenes in, which elaborate various important plot points, though."
[tech] Rob says, "I have a hard time with a lot of ridley scott movies"
[tech] Rob says, "though it's hard not to respect him or his output"
[tech] Rob says, "practically one a year, but they're not little movies, they're gigantic huge epics at that pace"
[tech] Rob says, "which is just extraordinary"
[tech] Rob says, "literally"
[tech] Rob says, "I finally ground through Gladiator this spring after failing to be able to watch it for 12 years"
[tech] Rob says, "there's an emotional sterility to ridley scott movies that distances me, or something"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "OTOH Scott was executive producer to _A Team_."
[tech] Rob says, "I just caught a tiny bit of him talking about philip k. dick on a quickie tv documentary series he exec-produced"
[tech] Rob says, "and he was doodling (really well) in a sketchbook, left-handed"
[tech] Rob says, "'oh, he's a leftie,' is my take-away from that. also that he can draw, but that's not incredibly rare among visual directors"
[tech] Rob says, "one exception is spielberg, who can only draw clumsy stick-figures, but has no lack of visual imagination for his absence of drawing skills"
[tech] Gunther says (to Rob), "the sterility is exactly what draws me"
[tech] Rob says, "hmm, yeah"
[tech] Rob says, "this is why you like solaris and stuff"
[tech] Gunther says, "it's such a refreshing difference to the hysterical overacting in Bay/Emmerich shit"
[tech] Hjalfi asks, "I thought (the new) Solaris was universally reviled?"
[tech] Rob says, "you get all into it"
[tech] Rob says, "no, the original one"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "Ah. Never managed to dig out a copy."
[tech] Rob says, "and the other movies by that guy uh uh uh"
[tech] Gunther says, "Solaris is almost hilariously sterile"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "So is the book."
[tech] Gunther says, ""oh hey dead wife who is on this space station somehow""
[tech] Gunther says, ""let me stuff you into this rocket and fire you into space ok""
[tech] Gunther says, ""ok""
[tech] Rob says, "the soderbergh version tried to emulate that sterility. hmm. there's something disconnected about soderbergh, as well, but it's a different thing that I'm not figuring out a word or description for"
[tech] Gunther says, "(Tarkovsky)"
[tech] Rob says, "tarkovsky! right"
[tech] Rob says, "my brain just kept saying arronofsky because that's the russian name most recently mentioned in conversation and I had to keep telling it NO keep looking"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "To be fair, Lem was really into that sort of thing. e.g. _Fiasco_, where an entire planet is sterilised because the lead character forgets to make a phone call."
[tech] Rob says, "the only other tarkovsky I know, unless I'm misremembering what/who I watched, was this long uncut take at the end of a looooong sterile disconnected movie where a guy lights a candle and keeps walking it back and forth a long distance without it going out"
[tech] Gunther says, "could be "Mirror""
[tech] Rob says, "which is a film image that sticks with me"
[tech] Rob says, "even though the rest of it is long lost in my memory"
[tech] Gunther says, "one of the most amazing scenes is in 'Stalker', where the characters go to sleep"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "Oh... hmm... I saw a clip on Youtube once of a long ago Soviet epic SF movie; in the clip, a starship meets a hulk in deep space, which turns out to have been a capitalist escape ship, now populated entirely by corpses."
[tech] Gunther says, "and the camera pans away, and pans along a river with all sorts of trash in it"
[tech] Hjalfi says, "I totally cannot remember the name, but it was awesome."
[sf] Fang | They try to force the aliens to engage contact by means of an event impossible to hide by the aliens' governments . that is, by staging the implosion of their moon.
[tech] Gunther says, "and all the while a voice is citing Revelations"
[sf] Fang says, "..."
[tech] Gunther says, "and then somehow, even though the pan doesn't show it at all, the camera ends back up with the characters"
[sf] Hjalfi asks, "Fiasco?"
[sf] Fang says, "yeah"
[sf] Rob says, "in that last star trek movie they imploded the whole planet Vulcan just to make a statement"
[sf] Fang says, "hah"
[tech] Rob says, "man"
[sf] Hjalfi says, "It's a good book, but it *is* all about people making really bad decisions. The clue is in the name."
[tech] Rob says, "that's some heavy shit"
[sf] Rob says, "hm from what language do we get the word fiasco"
[tech] Gunther says, "there's also the thing where, at the start, the movie is black and white"
[tech] Gunther says, "and they take an, um"
Hjalfi exclaims, "Food!"
[tech] Gunther asks, "a poweder train cart?"
[tech] Gunther says, "er, powered"
[tech] Gunther says, "into "The Zone""
[tech] Gunther says, "and the movie turns into color"
[tech] Gunther says, "and remains in color while they're there"
[tech] Gunther says, "and when they're back out it's b&w again"
[tech] Gunther says, "oh hey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8YeWOB6aYs "
[tech] Gunther says, "though wait, this is some weird thing that doesn't... never mind"
[WIP] McMartin says, "Ophis 2 is now feature-complete"
<Jota> Black lightning pierces your mind for an instant.
[WIP] Gunther asks, "the NES game?"
[facebook] Rob says, "tab suddenly closes in the middle of writing a reply comment, takes it as a sign to do something else"
[WIP] Rob says, "what is Ophis and or Ophis 2"
[WIP] Rob says, "maybe that was an emote, or some hybrid"
[mamster-sux] Jota says (to Rob), "#belated Oh, huh, I figured inky was just implying that mamster was the corn."
[mamster-sux] Rob says, "oh hm yeah that is possible"
[mamster-sux] Rob says, "but it seemed also possible that, were mamster to get an article into the onion, he'd write something about corn"
[mamster-sux] Jota says, "True."
[mamster-sux] Rob says, "I'm not sure I'll be around at 11am to ask inky for clarification"
[mamster-sux] (from Jota) NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Rob has posted message 2, about 'What do you mean, inky?', to the bulletin board! Succulent niblets, Batman!"
[mamster-sux] Rob says, "yay"
[mamster-sux] Rob says, "perhaps if he drawsomething's a clarification"
<Jizaboz> Jizaboz has connected to ifMUD.
Jizaboz isn't much of a wizard.
Jizaboz says, "Good morning."
Storme enters.
Storme says, "hi all"
Jizaboz says, "Hey Storme."
maga says, "hey Storme"
[diet] Storme says, "well, so, atkins works"
[diet] Storme says, "our scales register kg so I hadn't really realised how much weight 7kg was"
[diet] Storme says, "but that's in like 2.5 weeks"
[diet] Allen asks, "what? kg? really?"
[diet] Storme says, "yeah"
[diet] Allen asks, "what happened to stones?"
[movie] Hjalfi says, "#belated #tech Here's that film I was talking about: Icarus XB-1 (aka Voyage to the End of the Universe)."
[movie] Hjalfi says, "Clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyraLxGHgzo "
[movie] Hjalfi says, "Apparently the whole thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph9n5F7SipY "
[diet] Storme says, "I dunno, but I don't understand kg really so it was a bit academic to me until I just did the conversion"
[diet] Allen says, "I thought everyone in the UK used stones to way themselves. And I'm picturing people actually laying stones on the other side of a scale"
[WIP] marc exclaims (at mcmartin), "congrats!"
[diet] Storme says, "it's 1st and a bit, basically"
[diet] Storme says, "which, goodness"
[diet] Storme says, "doesn't feel like I've lost that much that fast"
[diet] Storme says, "almost makes up for having to be the person who doesn't eat cake or milk or bread any more"
[movie] Hjalfi says, "I didn't know the entire film had been uploaded. I've only seen the clip, which is the exploration of the derelict spacecraft, and is awesome."
[movie] Gunther says, "oh dear, the ballroom (24m40)"
[mamster-sux] * ghira has joined the channel.
<two-star> yea why try her raw wet hat
two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
<Nitku> The future will be fnurglewitz.
Nitku doesn't even know what glutz is!
[movie] marc asks, "#tangent i gather people have discussed and i've missed it, but: has anyone seen prometheus yet?"
[movie] marc says, "i've heard nothing but terrible reviews so far"
[movie] marc says, "(all of which involve the audience laughing at the film)"
[movie] Hjalfi says, "Talked to a cow orker today and he thought it was okay. Better than the Alien Film That We Do Not Talk About, anyway."
[diet] Storme says, "anyway, if the weight continues to shed at this rate or somewhat slower"
[movie] Gunther says, "I can think of at least 4 of those"
[diet] Storme says, "then I can move onto a less restrictive phase in a couple of weeks, huzzah"
[movie] ghira says, "I haven't seen it or heard anything about it other than that it exists."
[movie] Storme asks (of gunther), "are you including AvP1 and 2?"
[movie] Gunther says, "I am"
[movie] Storme says, "then agreed"
[movie] marc asks, "wait, there's AvP2?"
[movie] Storme says, "oh yes"
[movie] Gunther says, "yes"
[movie] Hjalfi says, "I am not."
[movie] Gunther says, "it's worse"
[movie] marc says, "holy shit"
[movie] marc says, "(i stopped at resurrection)"
[movie] Gunther says, "in case you were wondering"
</Jota> Thunder rumbles quietly overhead. Jota is gone.
[movie] Hjalfi asks, "How can there be a film worse than AvP1? Does that not violate the laws of physics, or something?"
[movie] Storme says, "I dunno"
[movie] Gunther says, "take AvP1 and take away the one big-name actor"
[movie] Hjalfi asks, "How can you have less than no plot, or special effects that are worse than totally unconvincing?"
[movie] Gunther says, "And then go "hmm, people said the ending of 1 was too anticlimactic, let's do something about that""
[movie] Storme says, "we were in HMV yesterday and you could buy Alien3 for 12 quid or the 'Alien Quadrilogy' boxset for 8 pounds"
[movie] marc says, "ha"
[movie] Gunther says, "oh yes, and the person who invented 'quadrilogy' deserves a special place in hell"
[movie] Storme says, "we were speculating on which drugs you would need to be on to take the first option"
[movie] marc says, "also, wow: hmv still exists"
[movie] McMartin says, "Tetralogy"
[movie] Gunther says (to Storme), "yeah, I think "I really hate Alien, Aliens and Resurrection but I love To The Power of Three" is a good way to get you straitjacketed up"
[movie] Fang says, "trilogy in four parts"
[movie] Gunther says, ""Trilogy plus the other shitty one""
[movie] Hjalfi asks, "^3 was the bald one, right?"
[movie] Fang says (to Storme), "maybe you really hate the Ripley character so you just want the one where she dies"
[movie] Hjalfi says, "4 did at least have Brad Dourif in it."
[movie] McMartin says, "I think I liked Alien^3 better when it was called Super Metroid"
[movie] Gunther says, "ha ha"
[movie] Gunther says, "while Alien 4 really is Other M"
[movie] Gunther says, "including the baby fixation oh my god"
[movie] Gunther says, "headsplode"
[politics] Allen says, "Bloomberg: "Is purchasing 2 16 oz sodas too much of an inconvenience to help reverse a national health catastrophe?""
[politics] McMartin says, "No, Mr. Bloomberg, it's evidence that your cunning plan is a complete no-op"
[movie] Gunther says, "also I would like to once again smugly point out who wrote 4."
[politics] Allen says, "but what if you only wanted a 20-oz soda!? Now Bloomberg has you drinking 40% more!"
[movie] McMartin says, "Hm, actually, I think that makes Alien^3 Metroid Fusion"
[frowned-elitism] Storme says, "today: cull the clothing!"
[movie] McMartin asks, "Since that has the hybridization wackiness subplot, right?"
[frowned-elitism] Storme says, "(well, later today, anyway)"
[movie] Gunther says, "3 has aliens popping out of dogs"
[movie] Gunther says, "4 has the ripley/alien clone combos"
[movie] McMartin says, "OK, let me rephrase"
[movie] marc says, "heh"
[movie] McMartin says, "I liked Alien Resurrection better when it was called Metroid Fusion"
[movie] Gunther says, "where she's all "ok everyone be very quiet AAAH AAAH DIE DIE DIE BLAM BLAM FLAMETHROW""
[movie] McMartin says, "Which did alien clone of Samus and Metroid/Samus hybrid about 47 trillion times better."
[frowned-elitism] Storme says, "the plan is to maybe, just maybe, have enough room to put our clothing away"
[movie] Gunther says, "sorry, but Resurrection is already Other M now"
[movie] Gunther says, "though it can be both"
[frowned-elitism] Storme says, "this is going to involve giving away some very expensive coats that are now too big for me"
[movie] McMartin says, "I didn't like Resurrection better when it was called Other M"
[movie] McMartin says, "I *did* like it better when it was called Metroid Fusion"
[politics] K-Y says, "why would you want to drink an Oz, anyway"
[movie] McMartin says, "I'm not sure which Metroid has aliens popping out of dogs"
[movie] McMartin says, "Probably all of them. or alien murder dogs, at least."
[twitter] Emily says, "from my Interactions feed:"
[twitter] Emily | @emshort Are you Graham Nelson?
[twitter] two-star says, "Ha"
[twitter] McMartin says, "I um, but,"
[twitter] McMartin says, "I cannot rightly apprehend the confusion of ideas that leads to this question"
[mamster-sux] * Fang has joined the channel.
[twitter] McMartin says, "Unless they thought you might be his secret identity."
[twitter] McMartin says, "Or vice versa, I guess"
[twitter] Emily says (to McMartin), "I assume the idea was that one of us is the other's secret identity, or something"
[tangent] McMartin says, "I clearly start using longer words the earlier it is"
[twitter] Emily says, "though why we would pretend to have helped ourself out in writing Inform is a little mysterious"
[movie] K-Y says, "there *was* an Alien^3 game on SNES, wasn't there"
[twitter] maga says (to Emily), "to conceal the extent of your tyrannical hegemony"
[twitter] Emily says, "oh right"
[twitter] McMartin says, "Tricky."
[twitter] Emily asks, "...wait, isn't a tyrannical hegemony just as tyrannical and hegemonic of there's some sort of grinning vizier beside the throne?"
[twitter] McMartin says, "Doesn't this also require you to have gone back in time"
[twitter] McMartin says, "Actually, I think the grinning vizier is a requirement."
[twitter] McMartin asks, "How are you at viziing?"
[twitter] maga asks, "are you the vizier in this scenario or is Graham?"
[twitter] maga asks, "or do you take turns with the turban?"
[twitter] Emily says, "snorfle"
[twitter] McMartin says, "My (sleep-deprived) mind is trying to do a mashup of Emily with Jafar and it is failing dramatically"
[twitter] Gunther asks, "also how good are you at north african stereotypes?"
[journalism] Allen | The media frenzy started with WFOR, the CBS affiliate in Miami. "We have seen, already, three or four cases that are exactly like this," Aguilar told the TV station. Later, in an interview with ABC, he clarified that "the cases are similar minus a man eating another"[Gi.e., the single most salient aspect of Eugene's crime
[twitter] Emily says, "I mean, um, I think he is better suited than I to develop the curly mustache"
[sf] ghira says, "fiasco is Italian for flask"
Not a valid command. Try typing 'help'.
[sf] ghira says, "not sure if it's also another language for something else"
Rob says, "ghrjghrkgj"
[DrawSomething] Rob catches up on all matches
[twitter] Hjalfi asks, "Surely the correct response to that is 'only when I don't take my medicination'?"
[twitter] McMartin says, "I'm pretty sure the right answer is actually shoryuken, but only because it always is"
[diet] Rob says, "I watched a recent Graham Norton show episode where there was a mix of american and british guests, and someone was talking about weight in stones, and there was a tiffle about how to convert this to something americans could understand"
McMartin says, "Rob, of the clan Rob"
[adventures] Hjalfi says (to Emily), "Also, I'm not sure that it was obvious from my posts, but I really liked _Bee_."
[diet] Rob says, "it interested me that even the brits didn't quite know that 1 stone is 14 pounds, because they think in terms of stones without any translation to other units, even lbs"
[movie] Rob says, "I missed the transition where youtube canceled their 10-minute limit and let you upload whatever length movie you want"
[movie] Rob says, "a friend of mine recently uploaded a documentary I made to youtube in its entirety, something I wouldn't have thought about doing because I didn't know how to excerpt a 10 minute chunk"
[movie] McMartin says, "I think you have to have been on the Tubes for a bit before they unshackle you"
[MacOS] Nitku says, "Here's a bundle with Parallels, Civ V and some other stuff for $50: https://www.mupromo.com/ "
[twitter] Rob says, "that reminds me of jacq's story of meeting french-IF people and having the guy (holding cigarette in french way) say 'you know Emily short?' <nod>  'You are... Emily Short'"
[diet] Allen says, "I always just try to think of stones as 'one full-grown male cat'"
[movie] boucher says, "Really old accounts lack the limitation on time, and if you UL in a pre-encoded MPEG-4 format, I think you're limited by size, not duration, so you can squeeze more than 10 minutes out if you encode at a low enough rate"
[twitter] Gunther says, "yay 'in french way'"
[diet] Rob says, "heh, that kinda works"
[twitter] Rob says, "because you know what I mean!"
[movie] Gunther says, "I think almost everyone is now free to go as high as they like"
[movie] boucher says, "Oh?  That surprises me."
[movie] Rob says, "the documentary wasn't that long, less than an hour, but way more than 10 minutes"
[movie] boucher says, "I guess I've not tried ULing anything in a long time"
[movie] Gunther says (to boucher), "all the Let's Players have unlimited accounts"
[movie] Rob says, "also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5CJ2UDrj2A and such"
[movie] boucher says, "I figured that was just coincidence...that they were all old users, and perhaps even took up doing Let's Plays because they could"
[movie] McMartin says, "My account only says 15 minutes"
[movie] McMartin says, "And I've had it for awhile"
[movie] Rob says, "this reminds me again to finish my playing-last-boss-fight-of-shadow-of-the-colossus machinema movie and upload it to places"
[movie] Rob says, "I curtailed my big 18 minute student film to < 10mins just to upload it to youtube, a few years ago when the limit still existed"
[news] Allen says, "whoah, wtf"
[news] Allen | Police in Aurora, Colo., searching for suspected bank robbers stopped every car at an intersection, handcuffed all the adults and searched the cars, one of which they believed was carrying the suspect.
[news] McMartin says, "As if by a miracle, nobody was shot for resisting arrest"
[news] Allen | We didnt have a description, didnt know race or gender or anything, so a split-second decision was made to stop all the cars at that intersection, and search for the armed robber, Aurora police Officer Frank Fania told ABC News.
[movie] Rob says, "the only time being an early guy helped me out was getting an entry/account in imdb for myself before they started being anal about who got to have credits"
[news] Rob says, "isn't that kind of 4th amendment breaking-y"
[news] McMartin says, "TERRAR"
[movie] boucher says, "Huh, it looks like I would be allowed if I performed a mobile phone verification step"
[news] McMartin says, "At some point in the past decade people just completely stopped giving a shit about not living in an insanely violent police state"
[news] Rob says, "yes, but they're all up in arms about losing their rights when they can't drink a soda bigger than 16 ounces"
[workplace] marc says, "in 45 minutes, we have a meeting with a person who's coming to meet us about... something"
[news] Rob says, "which makes me want to projectile ragevomit"
[news] Rob says, "</gunther>"
[news] maga says, "good guys drink soda, bad guys get arrested"
[news] marc says, "heh"
[news] maga says, "it is all very simple"
[workplace] Rob says, "what workplace do you in which in work at what place"
[workplace] marc says, "twelve"
[workplace] Rob says, "ah, good"
[news] Allen says, "they were left handcuffed for an hour and half, the time it took to search the cars"
[news] Gunther says (to Rob), "also about taxes"
[news] Gunther says, "and gay marriage"
[news] Gunther says, "and other retarded things they should worry about less than the creeping fascistization"
Quote added to marc's quotebook.
Quotations:
marc (quoted by Rob, 06-Jun-12):
  [workplace] marc says, "in 45 minutes, we have a meeting with a person who's coming to meet us about... something"
  [workplace] Rob says, "what workplace do you in which in work at what place"
  [workplace] marc says, "twelve"
  [workplace] Rob says, "ah, good"
[news] Gunther says, "and by creeping I mean overt"
(Current channel set to #misc/personal/fourcoffees)
[politics] Gunther says, "speaking of creeping fascists, Romney's e-mail and dropbox accounts allegedly hacked"
[fourcoffees] Rob says, "'projectile ragevomit' is the best Guntherism I've ever managed to authentically synthesize"
[fourcoffees] Gunther says, "I approve"
[fourcoffees] Rob says, "yay"
[fourcoffees] Rob says, "you do have a knack, as I keep reaffirming"
[religion] Allen | Norway is now planning to separate the Protestant Lutheran Church from the government. I am serenely indifferent to this fact.
[religion] Allen | I [am] devastated, utterly gutted, however, that the news coverage of this event did not include any mention of the politicians who opposed the step. My God, just think of it:
[religion] Gunther says, "wait until they come for the buddhists"
[religion] Allen says, "(imagined quote:)"
[religion] Rob asks, "has the protestant lutheran church been inextricably linked to the norse government for centuries until now?"
[religion] Allen |     MPs Olaf Lundteigen, Christina Ramsy, and Kjersti Toppe, all of the Centre Party, voted against the bill. The Lutheran Church should always remain part of the Norwegian state, Ms Toppe said antidisestablishmentarianistically.
[religion] Allen says, "(the last word in italics, of course)"
[religion] Rob says, "I'm trying to figure out a Prairie Home Companion homespun take joke on the situation but it'll be too obscure even if successful"
[religion] Rob says, "hee hee"
[religion] Rob says, "last word gets an A+"
[mudmeets] Rob says, "I crashed into bed as soon as I got home last night, I guess because I needed to digest the fish&chips"
[mudmeets] Rob says, "I don't eat fried foods much at all"
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[mudmeets] Allen says, "I got on the mud, briefly engaged in a discussion about golems and gollum, talked about the wisconsin recall, then got so sleepy I abandoned both conversations right in the middle and fell into bed"
[mudmeets] Rob says, "I saw the golem/gollum in recap. I pronounce them differently as per ghira"
[politics] Jizaboz says, "I'm almost afraid to think what he'd have in a dropbox."
[mudmeets] Rob says, "also, I first encountered the notion of a Golem in a Hulk comic rather than via D&D"
[religion] Gunther says, ""oh yeah, the Lutheran church is SO AWESOME", I said antidisestablishmentarianismsarcastically"
[religion] Allen says, "come on, surely you can admit the lutheran church has some great music"
[religion] Allen says, "really singable hymns, where you just kinda pump your arm in unison while belting them out"
[religion] Gunther says, "I demand a strict separation of choir and state"
[religion] Gunther says, "s/demand/require/, dammit"
[pronunciation] Gunther says, "I still pronounce choir as "cho-arr" in my head"
[religion] Allen asks, "you don't feel a thrill run down your leg when you hear the opening strains of Ein Feste Burg?"
[pronunciation] Gunther says, "or "ko-arr" I guess"
[religion] Allen says, "I kinda wish I had a big mug of beer and could sing it right now"
[religion] Gunther says, "this is an atheist country with remnants of catholicism, not a protestant one"
[religion] Gunther says, "Thus I have been to one protestant anything ever"
[religion] Allen asks, "not even for the sake of music?"
[religion] Gunther says, "it did not include any hymns"
[religion] Allen says, "you should go to a lutheran service"
<katre> katre says, "does anyone remember what my connect references? because I don't"
[religion] Allen says, "their hymns have like 28 verses, and they sing all of them. From memory"
[religion] Gunther says, "I wonder where I'd have to go to even find one"
[religion] Allen says, "and unlike baptists, lutherans know how to sing in tune"
#soc/religion/religion: maga says, "martyrdom comes with a free full-body waxing, apparently"
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<Yuri> Yuri has connected to ifMUD.
Yuri arrives from the east.
#misc/personal/philosophinky: inky says, "I guess it's actually Drool Factor, and Drools Over refers to a card having a non-zero D
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[religion] Gunther says, "oh, heh, it's right around the corner from work"
[religion] Allen says, "ok, gotta take bath and get to class"
[philosophinky] * Rob has changed the topic to: inky says, "I had a confusing "wait, he had *hebrew* on his forehead?" conversation with my fiancee"
[religion] Rob says, "have fun with the sackbuts!"
[religion] Gunther says, " http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Martin_Luther_Kirche%2C_Linz.jpg "
Storme was a still life lived on mobile phones.
Storme has disconnected.
[dreams] Rob says, "also, after meeting Allen and jen last night, I came home, crashed, and had this long dream with Allen as a companion NPC character"
[religion] Rob says, "oh, ML-church not MLK"
[dreams] Gunther asks, "and then you woke up and your pillow was fluffed and your bed turned down?"
[religion] Rob asks, "hm is there still a church somewhere that has the door with nail marks where martin luther tacked up his theses?"
Emily goes home.
Emily has disconnected.
[dreams] Rob says, "it was just my messy bed as usual"
[religion] Gunther says, "that was actually a mistranslation from prostheses"
[religion] Gunther says, "specifically his fake teeth"
[dreams] Rob says, "though I was like, 'wow, how did Allen get into my dreamland so instantaneously?'"
[religion] Gunther says, "which is why there's 32 of them"
<Jota> Black lightning pierces your mind for an instant.
Jota arrives from the east.
Jota greets.
Rob greets Jota
[religion] Rob asks, "what church did he tack those onto?"
[religion] Gunther says, "the church in Wittenberg"
[religion] Rob asks, "is it still there?"
[religion] Gunther says, "it has a website at least"
[religion] Rob says, "also the DVD for monty python's Meaning of Life has a deleted sketch about Martin Luther being a randy sod as opposed to the prim catholics"
[religion] Gunther says, "apparently it depicts the "jew pig" on one of its sides"
[austria] ghira says, "this Halstatt thing is pretty odd"
[religion] Rob says, "not exactly hilarious and righteously deleted but still interesting anyway"
[religion] Rob says, "aw man"
[religion] Rob says, "that's not very kosher"
[religion] Rob says, "now is it"
[austria] Rob says, "which thing what"
[religion] Gunther says, "with a holocaust memorial right underneath"
[religion] Rob says, "where's wittenberg"
[austria] ghira says, "the Chinese have cloned an Austrian village"
[religion] Gunther says, "Germany"
[names] genericgeekgirl says, "We have a summer intern named Mikenah. I'm not entirely sure on the spelling, but she says she was named after her parents, Michael and Naomi."
[austria] Rob asks, "did they have some point in doing that?"
[religion] Rob says, "that narrows it down"
[austria] ghira says, "expensive housing for rich people"
Jota greets Rob.
[DrawSomething] Jota recaps.
[religion] Gunther says, "no mention of the doors"
[DrawSomething] Jota says (to jenrexrode), "In response to last night, if you happen to recap: that's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking about with my 'intentionally picking "easy" words' comment."
[religion] Jota asks, "Huh, a reasonable discussion about religion on #religion?"
[religion] Jota says, "I knew there had to be a reason I hadn't permanently left the channel."
[religion] Allen says, "you can't talk about Wittenberg without mentioning doors!"
[religion] Allen says, "or the worms that it eventually led to"
[religion] (from Gunther) Jota has left the channel
[religion] Allen says, "the first low-carb diet, the Diet of Worms"
[dreams] Hjalfi exclaims, "I had an episode of my ongoing SF epic last night!"
[dreams] Hjalfi says, "Well, more a related series of dreams in the same scenario."
[apropos-of-nothing] Jota asks, "How many particles *are* there in the universe, anyway?"
[dreams] Hjalfi says, "They're set in a universe that really doesn't like FTL travel, and there's this huge galaxy-spanning trading empire using entirely STL ships. It takes years to get anywhere."
[apropos-of-nothing] Jota says, "Many things get compared to that number, but I'm not sure what that number actually is."
[religion] Allen says, "class time"
[dreams] Hjalfi says, "Interestingly, the last few dreams have had the occasional expensive one-way FTL gate. My subconscious obviously has plans here."
[dreams] Jota asks, "Is that 'like' in the sense that you are anthropomorphizing the physical laws of that universe, or is that a sentiment held by the occupying civilization?"
[dreams] Hjalfi says, "Neither, it's just really hard to do (but obviously not impossible)."
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob asks, "quintillions? way more than that?"
[dreams] Hjalfi says, "Last night's dream involved me and my crew returning after a long voyage to Earth, where we were accused of some tax-related crime involving a discrepancy between arrival time and stated arrival time or something, and we were basically drafted into Starfleet."
[austria] Fang says, "it's pretty meh"
[austria] Fang says, "I mean, it's basically a publicity stunt"
[dreams] Hjalfi says, "Disappointingly, most of the dream was spent wandering around an office trying to find someone to report to, but I did eventually discover that we had been assigned to the Intelligence division."
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "even just the number of particles in a star is kind of boggling, then there are that many stars"
[dreams] Gunther asks, "have you read Manuscript Found In A Bathtub?"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "and then we sit around worrying about how our email doesn't work right"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "ah well"
[apropos-of-nothing] Jota says, "Yeah. I am pretty sure it is the sort of number that can only be properly represented with a small superscript next to a 10."
[apropos-of-nothing] Gunther says, "it's the evil emanations from those quintillions of particles we call the sun"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "we got one of the good friendly stars"
[apropos-of-nothing] Jota says, "Warm, yellow, and nurturing to Supermen."
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "hooray"
[kickstarter] Gunther says, "finally a reason to hate KS"
[kickstarter] Gunther | Dead State, the zombie RPG from former Obsidian developers Brian Mitsoda and Annie Carlson, has launched a Kickstarter
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "number of atoms in observable universe is 10^80"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "according to wikipedia"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "and transcepting to venus"
[kickstarter] Gunther says, "why am I even hoping for a sail to fail? sigh"
[dreams] Hjalfi says, "This office was divided into multiple concurrent phases, different people occupying the same space at the same time. Part of the problem we had was that because we'd just wandered in (we'd asked a passing policeman where the nearest Starfleet office was and he'd pointed at the wrong building) we hadn't been assigned to a specific phase, so it randomly flickered between phases."
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "10^80 is a pretty big number"
[apropos-of-nothing] Gunther says (to Fang), "I'm going to need a citation there"
[apropos-of-nothing] Gunther says, "also that seems super low somehow"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'm still groping around for what I should kickstart"
[apropos-of-nothing] Gunther says, "I guess observable"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "yeah somehow"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "wikipedia actually gives the methods of computation here"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe#Matter_content "
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "if dark matter comes in particles we're way off"
[apropos-of-nothing] Gunther says, "like, Rush Limbaugh alone has 10^78 of those"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says (to Rob), "true"
[robmumble] Ryan says, "Go with Gunther's plan. Kickstart a modest lunch at Magnolia Cafe, with a stretch goal of funding a blockbuster motion picture."
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "<cheaplaffs>hee hee</cheaplaffs>"
two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
</two-star> I don't want you to pray to the duck. I want you to ASK THE DUCK YOUR QUESTION.
[robmumble] Rob says, "wow that's interesting"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "yay"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I wouldn't need much to kickstart a magcafe lunch"
[robmumble] Rob asks, "when did Gunther plan this out?"
[robmumble] Ryan says, "It was just an offhand comment the other day."
[apropos-of-nothing] Jota says, "So IPv6 doesn't even come close to enough addresses for everything."
[robmumble] katre says, "my friend's cthluhu tiki mugs are apparently still kickstarting like crazy"
[robmumble] Rob says, "dang I missed it"
[robmumble] katre says, "he passed 3x the original funding amount in the first few days"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "haha"
[robmumble] Rob says, "also, it'd be way easier (for me) if ghira, Gunther, and olethros came to Austin than if I visited europe"
[robmumble] Gunther asks, "this is not Paul, right?"
[robmumble] katre says (to gunther), "no, paul's kickstarter is finished and also went crazy"
[robmumble] katre says, "conclusion: be my friend before you kickstart"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "he could have two!"
[robmumble] Rob says, "Paul visited me at Magnolia Cafe!"
[robmumble] katre says, "the tiki mugs are from one of my fraternity brothers"
[robmumble] Rob says, "Ryan, too"
[robmumble] Rob says, "why not everybody else"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "honestly these numbers don't seem so big after the bottom end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future "
[robmumble] Rob asks, "which fraternity were you in?"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "it's far away :("
[robmumble] katre says, "kickstart a documentary about having all your friends meet you at magnolia cafe for lunch"
[robmumble] katre says, "Psi Upsilon"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "ha ha"
[robmumble] Rob says, "also it is solely because of katre that I always say fraternity rather than frat"
[robmumble] katre says, "thank you!"
[robmumble] Rob says, "hm, a documentary"
[robmumble] Gunther says, ""$100,000 stretch goal: the friends can actually be flown in""
[robmumble] Rob says, "you're welcome"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "otherwise it's just sad cardboard cutouts having tea"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "and Rob teaching my cutout about the subtle difference between c and z"
[apropos-of-nothing] Hjalfi says, "This reminds me of _House on the Borderland_ and _Star Maker_..."
[robmumble] Rob says, "my only concrete thoughts about kickstarter-ing anything were to have these ridiculous $ amounts (hundred-thousand, million, several-million, hundred-million) applicable to things that actually take those kinds of figures, with a 'well, I only need one' lemonade-stand pitch vibe"
[robmumble] Rob asks, "has anyone been cheeky enough to do that already?"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "someone's certainly done $1, and the problem with the other is that the max pledge is $10,000"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I dunno, I bet there could be a way to contrive some sort of quasi-business/gaming reason to visit austin within the next 5 years"
[space] Gunther | A simultaneous transit of Venus and the Earth as seen from Mars will occur in 571,741 AD.
[robmumble] Rob says, "clearly I need to kickstart a highly specialized conference"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "RoRyGhiGu 2013"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "hmm, wikipedia also says the universe can be subdivided into 10^185 planck volumes"
[space] Rob says, "well that gives us enough time to land a probe there that will take pictures"
[robmumble] Rob says, "sounds good to me"
[apropos-of-nothing] Gunther | "walk the planck"   About 62,300 results
[robmumble] Rob says, "I keep thinking that the way out of what I perceive to be my problems and limitations is to start starting things"
[robmumble] Rob says, "instead of waiting for things to start"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "yay"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "if you're not ready for the all or nothing risk, IndieGoGo will let you keep whatever you get"
[robmumble] Jota says, "The tricky bit is to start *finishing* things."
[apropos-of-nothing] Hjalfi | 1000000000000000 AD: By this time, the Sun will have cooled to five degrees above absolute zero.
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "how many results does 'walk the avagadro' get"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "chillin'"
[robmumble] Gunther | Your search - "walk the avogadro" - did not match any documents.
[robmumble] Gunther says, "ilac"
[robmumble] Rob says (to Jota), "not anymore, actually"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I've spent the last 20 years finishing things and I'm still where I started out"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang | The TREE sequence begins TREE(1) = 1, TREE(2) = 3, then suddenly TREE(3) explodes to a value so enormously large that many other "large" combinatorial constants, such as Friedman's n(4), are extremely small by comparison.
[robmumble] Rob says, "so now I figure I must start some new start things"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "(on the subject of large numbers...)"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "so, bear this in mind the next time you have a 'what's the next number' quiz"
[robmumble] Rob says, "anyway, while I'm still mayor of Magnolia Cafe, everybody on ifmud is invited to have a meal with me there"
[apropos-of-nothing] Bishop says, "And of course there's Graham's number."
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "which is what"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says (to Bishop), "this is far, far larger than Graham's number."
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says (to Rob), "Graham's number is a certain ridiculously large integer which is the upper bound in some graph theory theorem"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "even if you try to write it in the form 10^(10^(10^...."
[apropos-of-nothing] Hjalfi says, "Graham's Number is a number. Graham's Number has the value 7."
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "you will require more digits than there are planck volumes in the entire universe"
[apropos-of-nothing] Bishop says (to Rob), "Graham's number is a number for which new notation had to be created to describe the procedure by which it's done. The new notation is then folded back on itself recursively to get operations to describe ever larger explosive growth. Graham's Number is the result of recursively exploding this operation 64 times, and then applying it to '3'."
[apropos-of-nothing] Gunther says, "sounds very useful~"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang exclaims, "well, at least the quantity they've bounded is definitely not infinite!"
[apropos-of-nothing] Bishop asks, "It is the best known answer to the question: how high a dimension of hypercube guarantees that, if you color each edges and diagonal red or blue, there is a plane containing only red edges or only blue edges?"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "also, while Graham's Number is A^64(4), TREE(3) is A^(A(187196))(1)"
[apropos-of-nothing] Gunther says, "Gunther's number is Graham's number multiplied by 1276116709"
[apropos-of-nothing] Fang says, "well, that's n(4). TREE(3) is much larger than *that*"
[apropos-of-nothing] Bishop says, "We know that 12 isn't enough, and the smallest number we know _is_ enough is, as mentioned, ludicrously large. I think the 'real' answer is conjectured to be south of 20."
[apropos-of-nothing] Bishop says, "Most of these obscenely large combinatorial constants are, in some way, Szemeredi's fault."
[drawing] K-Y says, "I wonder if I could just go with this smudgy pencil look for my finished stuff"
[drawing] K-Y says, "or if that appears"
[drawing] K-Y says, "really unfinished to people"
[drawing] Rob says, "well, post one and I'll say yea or nay or hmm"
[drawing] K-Y says, "alas I'm not at home"
[drawing] Rob says, "also, the answer is always 'yes' to whatever the artist feels especially like doing no matter what anyone else thinks"
[drawing] Rob says, "if you want to live in poverty in a garret of course"
[drawing] Rob says, "well, check-in late at night tonight/tomorrow and paste a url, I semi-routinely recap this channel and #art to see if anything's going on"
[drawing] K-Y says, "thanks"
[drawing] Rob says, "sure"
[drawing] Fang says, "perhaps you can be posthumously famous"
[drawing] Rob says, "that's my best bet at the moment"
[drawing] Rob says, "though I'd prefer to be around to enjoy it"
[art] Fang says, "you know, I still don't get why Lowry is so popular"
Rob says, "ok, time indeed to logout for a whilst"
Rob says, "bglrb"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.