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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> “I’ve got a significant strawberry,’’ he said.
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday Blindguy!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, banana, Anything Finder, battle.net battletags, his pants
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, Ryan, Dave, jpt, vimes, baf, DorianX, GDorn, Jearl, Psmith, Matthew, Jon, lpsmith, Marktwo, Richie, Doug, annabianca, Bishop, maga, Whizzard, Allen, ghira, vaporware, Jota, genericgeekgirl, inky, BrenBarn, McMartin, zarf, Jacqueline, Hugo, olethros, Roger, Firion, two-star, Gunther, Limax
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 4245 lines from recent channels:
[exercise]/14:05 Roger says, "And it probably took longer"
[programming]|14:05 Jota says, "Ha ha."
[exercise]|14:05 olethros says, "yes, it did"
[exercise]|14:06 olethros says, "I am only a bit disappointed by my lack of progress in both chest and shoulder presses"
[comics]|14:06 K-Y says, "oh, right"
[exercise]|14:06 olethros says, "I seem to have a plateau of about 80kg for the chest press and about 55kg for the shoulder press"
[programming]|14:06 Fang says, "made it"
[programming]|14:06 Jota says, "This really ought to be level 1."
[programming]|14:07 Fang asks, "the turing test is level 100?"
[programming]|14:07 inky says, "or have a random gen button"
[lounge]|14:07 Ytsalwenc likes "entering the lounge" as much as the next girl, but this isn't really the time.
[programming]|14:07 Fang says, "I think my problem was that it was hard to tell you could put more than one command in a loop"
[lounge]|14:09 Ytsalwenc exclaims, "Hello everyone!"
[programming]|14:09 Fang says, "I think the loop interface doesn't really work. A flexible connector, say, would be more appropriate and intuitive"
[programming]|14:10 Gunther says, "it works perfectly fine. http://prntscr.com/9zjmm "
[programming]|14:11 vimes says, "here's what i came up with: https://skitch.com/devesine/86d7r/blockly-demo-maze "
[exercise]|14:11 Roger says, "The usual advice is to try microloading them, a pound (or less) at a time"
[programming]|14:11 Fang says, "oh, I made a left turn algorithm too"
[lounge]|14:12 McMartin will IMMEDIATELY receive POWERFUL BONUSES
[Italian]|14:12 ghira says, "can this really be true? people put stuff on packaging without checking what it says"
[lounge]|14:12 McMartin says, "Yay, my copy of Racing the Beam arrived"
[Italian]|14:12 ghira says, " http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153143/Im-hungry-thanks-Tesco-brands-Finest-spaghetti-bolognese-balls-grandad.html "
[mud-updates]|14:12 * Ytsalwenc has joined the channel.
[Italian]|14:13 ghira says, "(it being in the Mail counts against it being likely)"
[lounge]|14:13 marc goes home.
[lounge]|14:13 * marc has disconnected.
[lounge]|14:14 Ytsalwenc says, "I hear retro gamer has a new article on the making of Leather Goddesses of phobos."
[lounge]|14:14 borowski says, "I've heard of that book but I had no idea that nm wrote it."
[programming]|14:14 Fang says, " http://imgur.com/rTfV0 "
[lounge]|14:14 Ytsalwenc exclaims, "It's got an interview with Steve Meretzky!"
[lounge]|14:15 McMartin says, "I'm also happy that I correctly guessed the meaning of the title"
[programming]|14:15 Gunther says (to Jota), "#belated this should be level 1 but *every other level works with the same algorithm* if you have the right one"
[lounge]|14:15 Gunther asks, "cathode ray?"
[lounge]|14:16 borowski asks, "You didn't suppose it was about Tron?"
[programming]|14:16 Jon says, "here's mine: http://i.imgur.com/lERwX.png "
[lounge]|14:16 McMartin says, "Specifically, that the CPU has to time its instructions to sync up with where the cathode ray happens to be pointing, yeah."
[programming]|14:16 Fang asks, "oh there's a wall to the left?"
[politics]|14:16 McMartin says, "RESP0 is to this day the most horrifying I/O register I have ever encoutnered."
[lounge]|14:16 McMartin says, "RESP0 is to this day the most horrifying I/O register I have ever encoutnered."
[programming]|14:16 Fang says, "I didn't realise that existed"
[politics]|14:16 McMartin says, "Not actually politics. Probably."
[lounge]|14:16 Ytsalwenc says (to McMartin), "I suggest you read it, it's quite good."
[programming]|14:17 Jon says (to Fang), "click the 'ahead' in wall ahead"
[programming]|14:17 Jon says, "and you can change it"
[programming]|14:17 Gunther says, "there are dropdowns"
[lounge]|14:17 Ytsalwenc shimmers in place for a while and then vanishes. You swear you heard him say "So long, and thanks for all the monkeys!"
[programming]|14:17 inky says, "ok, that dance is weird"
[programming]|14:17 inky says, "it looks like the dude is being grabbed by the head and shaken"
[politics]|14:17 Allen | Who Would Jane Austen Vote For?
[programming]|14:18 vimes says, "alien abduction: failed"
[programming]|14:18 vimes says, "reason: hair not properly attached to head"
[programming]|14:18 inky says, "hee hee"
[programming]|14:18 Fang says, " http://imgur.com/7cTmj "
[politics]|14:18 inky says, "mitt romney, obviously"
[programming]|14:19 Fang says, "this is probably optimal then"
[politics]|14:19 inky says, "he makes $20 million/year and is in need of a second wife"
[politics]|14:19 borowski says, "haha"
[politics]|14:19 inky says, "(ok, sorry, bad taste)"
[lounge]|14:19 josh_g is protected by public incredulity.
[politics]|14:19 maga says (to inky), "it's better than 'the slave or the heretic?', which was my immediate response"
[lounge]|14:19 josh_g says, "arrrrrrrrr"
[politics]|14:19 inky says, "good point"
[politics]|14:20 McMartin asks, "Actually, how long has it been since there was a presidential contest where both major parties' candidates were still on their first marriage?"
[personals]|14:20 BrenBarn | My self-summary
[personals]|14:20 BrenBarn | umm, well i dunno... lol.
[personals]|14:20 BrenBarn says, "there's more, but that's the important part"
[I7]|14:20 maga asks, "is there a way to check the location of a backdrop?"
[personals]|14:21 inky says, "the only way this could have been improved is correct use of 'idk'"
[personals]|14:21 BrenBarn says, "exactly!"
[personals]|14:21 borowski says, "That looks like my resume."
[personals]|14:21 BrenBarn says, "maybe a gratuitous jk"
[I7]|14:21 Roger says, "I'm not sure what you mean"
[security]|14:21 Gunther says, "wow. http://blackbag.nl/?p=940 "
[I7]|14:22 maga says, "well, a backdrop is going to be in a region"
[I7]|14:22 Roger asks, "Backdrops are the things with more than one location, are they?"
[I7]|14:22 maga says, "yes"
[I7]|14:22 McMartin says, "Only conceptually, though"
[programming]|14:22 inky says, "ok, my answer is clunkier than everyone else's, but it *does* make the guy do a little dance along the way too"
[security]|14:22 Fang says, "yikes"
[I7]|14:22 maga says, "'a random X' will work here, since other code means that they'll only ever be in one region"
[I7]|14:22 McMartin says, "At any given time they're in the last one of the locations they were in that *you're* in."
[security]|14:23 inky | Hank Earl Carr shot and killed them after he escaped his cuffs using a universal handcuff key hidden on a necklace.
[I7]|14:23 maga says, "in this case I can probably just brute-force it, but it'd be nice to know"
[security]|14:23 inky says, "it seems like handcuffs aren't a great idea to have a universal key for"
[security]|14:24 BrenBarn says, "next we'll learn they all respond to 'open sesame' as a failsafe"
[security]|14:24 inky says, "ha ha"
[security]|14:24 Fang says (to inky), "hmm"
[security]|14:24 Fang says, "it's an interesting question"
[I7]|14:24 lpsmith says, "I would have thought you could query it just like anything else."
[security]|14:25 inky says (to Fang), "well, if you lose the key you should have a duplicate down at the station"
[I7]|14:25 lpsmith asks, "Is there a 'the location of the X' phrase?"
[security]|14:25 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[I7]|14:25 lpsmith asks, "And have you tried that?"
[security]|14:25 BrenBarn says, "that totally makes me think of Bill & Ted"
[I7]|14:25 maga says, "yeah, when I do that it returns 'nothing'"
[security]|14:25 inky says, "and in the worst-case situation you can cut it off"
[security]|14:25 inky says, "ha ha"
[I7]|14:25 lpsmith says, "Oh, sad."
[security]|14:25 inky says, "I got 'trashcan' in draw something yesterday and if I had been playing you I know what I would have drawn"
[I7]|14:25 lpsmith says, "I thought it actually moved the thing around with you, but maybe that was I6."
[security]|14:25 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[I7]|14:27 maga brute-forces it
[kitties]|14:28 Allen | Staff at Tokyo's latest trendy nightspots left work early on Friday evening after a new ordinance went into effect requiring that cat cafes close their doors at 10 pm.
[kitties]|14:28 inky says, "ha ha"
[kitties]|14:28 inky asks, "people are really out at 2am wanting to play with cats?"
[kitties]|14:28 Allen | The curfew is among revisions to the Animal Protection Law and designed to safeguard the welfare of all pets, but was particularly targeted at stores in busy entertainment districts that have been doing a roaring late-night trade in cute puppies and kittens among people who have had too much to drink.
[kitties]|14:29 Roger says, "They don't have vending machines for that yet?  Come on, Japan."
[science]|14:30 Allen | Caterpillars More Likely to Vomit Alone
[science]|14:31 inky says, "anorexia is a private killer"
[science]|14:32 Roger says, "Only ate one leaf of lettuce all day"
[kitties]|14:34 Allen |     how about a kitten apocalypse where everyone gets bitten by kittens and turns into kittens lets have one of those
[kitties]|14:34 Grocible says, "buncha commies"
[quotations]|14:35 BrenBarn | "I have smelled isolated, pure male and female body odor," he said.
[lounge]|14:36 Grocible goes home.
[lounge]|14:36 * Grocible has disconnected.
[programming]|14:36 Jota says (to Gunther), "#evenmorebelated Ha ha."
[security]|14:36 baf says, "Whoa. So, the New York Times is reporting on the American government's role in creating Stuxnet"
[programming]|14:37 Jota says, "Also, huh. My algorithm must either be a lot better than you guys' or completely broken, since it's way shorter and simpler than those two."
[security]|14:37 inky says, "whoah"
[programming]|14:37 inky says, "let's see it"
[programming]|14:37 Jota says, "I am going to assume the former, of course."
[security]|14:37 baf says, "which has been a subject of widespread speculation for some time, sure, but they're reporting it as fact rather than speculation now."
[programming]|14:37 inky says, "hee hee"
[lounge]|14:38 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, pale violet this time of day.
[security]|14:38 inky says, "I thought people said the israeli government created it"
[security]|14:38 BrenBarn says, "they said it was either the US or Israel or both"
[security]|14:38 baf says, " http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 "
[security]|14:38 baf says (to BB), "Now they're saying it was both."
[programming]|14:39 Jota looks further back. "Oh, mine is almost the same as vimes', actually.
[mud-updates]|14:39 Ytsalwenc asks, "Any updates? Anything at all?"
[mud-updates]|14:39 inky says, "update! stuff is awesome!"
[mud-updates]|14:39 inky says, "more news at 11"
[security]|14:39 borowski | code-named Olympic Games
[security]|14:40 olethros says, "yeah, it is quite amazing. Obama == Bush!"
[security]|14:40 olethros says, "well, I guess that in terms of foreign policy, they are kinda the smae"
[security]|14:41 olethros asks, "has any US president ever made a clean break from his predecessor's foreign policy objectives/policy ?"
[security]|14:41 borowski says, "It seems like that code name could go badly if a new member of the programming team isn't fully brought up to date."
[security]|14:41 zarf asks, "aren't code names supposed to be completely random?"
[security]|14:42 baf says, "They're certainly not suppopsed to give any hint of what they're code names for."
[security]|14:42 olethros says, "they should be named something sillier like 'damp squid'"
[band-name]|14:43 Matthew says, "Damp Squid."
[band-name]|14:43 zarf says, "Redundant Damp Squid."
[Infocom]|14:43 * Ytsalwenc has joined the channel.
[band-name]|14:44 K-Y says, "never name your band after something you don't want thrown at you  while on stage"
[band-name]|14:45 zarf says, "Redundant Damp Panties"
[band-name]|14:45 vimes says, "Squid Panties Redundant"
[security]|14:45 baf says, "Well, hm. Possibly silly code names are less secure because they're obviously code names."
[band-name]|14:45 olethros says, "squid eye-patch"
[security]|14:46 inky asks, "isn't that fine?"
[security]|14:46 vimes says, "sure, Mr. Horrible Hat"
[security]|14:46 inky says, "hee hee"
[security]|14:46 inky says, "like, the point isn't that people don't know you're working on secret project X so much as they don't know what X entails"
[security]|14:46 olethros says, "also, silly names make operatives giggle uncontrollably at a crucial moment"
[security]|14:46 vimes says, "and paste the resulting gibberish to pastebin or something, if you please"
[security]|14:46 vimes says, "ilac"
[security]|14:46 borowski says, "I guess 'Olympic Games' works because it's a reocurring event. "What's the funding for?" "Oh, the Olympic Games.""
[security]|14:46 inky says (to olethros), "that could be a problem"
[security]|14:47 vimes says, "quick! get pink fluttering hobo on...snicker snicker...the line!"
[security]|14:47 Psmith says (to baf), "that reminds me of how tanks were originally given their name, since water tanks seemed a plausible-but-innocuous thing for large amounts of metalworking to be happening for."
[security]|14:47 baf says, "If an enemy intercepts a communique that says 'You are now assigned to Olympic Games', they might take it literally and be misinformed. The same enemy, seeing 'You are now assigned to damp squid', might decide to interrogate someone about what 'damp squid' means."
[security]|14:47 vimes says, "pink fluttering hobo! unfortunate cheese odor and deranged spicy lamb are in trouble!"
[security]|14:48 borowski says, "Or the Russians might develop nuclear damp squid technology just in cause."
[security]|14:48 olethros says, "and everyone knows you should dry out your squids in the sun"
[programming]|14:48 Roger asks, "Anyone written a Brownian one yet?"
[programming]|14:49 inky says, "there isn't a randomizer, unfortunately"
[adventures]|14:49 Jota says (to Gunther), "I think we can safely say that no, they do not have the Space Quest rights."
[programming]|14:49 Roger says, "Booooo"
[tangent]|14:49 olethros says, "so it's damp squib, eh"
[adventures]|14:49 Jota says, "(Based on the latest update.)"
[programming]|14:50 Roger says, "I guess you could precompile one up with an arbitrary number of random movements"
[Infocom]|14:50 Ytsalwenc says, "Hello, everyone."
[security]|14:50 inky says (to Psmith), "hunh, I never heard that"
[lounge]|14:50 Ytsalwenc was your mother much upon these years that you are now a maid, etc.
[security]|14:50 inky says, "that is pretty interesting"
[lounge]|14:51 olethros says, "hi"
[lounge]|14:51 Ytsalwenc takes the elevator up the magic bird perch.
[security]|14:52 baf says, "Also, I'm reminded of when we were working on Tales of Monkey Island, and it hadn't been announced yet, and we could get in trouble with Lucasarts if it got leaked, and someone suggested that in all communications we should refer to it as 'The Golden Girls' so that anyone who gets access to our emails would lose interest."
[security]|14:52 Psmith says (to inky), "they were originally going to be called 'landships', but someone decided that would be too informative if the enemy caught wind of it. So, 'tanks'."
[candy]|14:53 vimes says, "ok, salt water taffy, your flavor-color combinations confuse me"
[candy]|14:53 vimes says, "yellow is banana, okay"
[candy]|14:53 inky says, "sometimes it's lemon"
[candy]|14:53 vimes says, "red is peppermint"
[candy]|14:53 vimes says, "blue is apple"
[candy]|14:53 baf says, "White with a pink circle is obviously mango."
[candy]|14:53 vimes says, "green is lemon"
[candy]|14:54 inky says, "red is only peppermint if it's red stripes on white, I thought"
[candy]|14:55 vimes says, "it was certainly solid red, or at least the visible part was"
[candy]|14:55 inky says, "man"
[lounge]|14:55 Ytsalwenc arrives from the Toyshop, covered in silly string.
[quotations]|14:56 Jota says, "'Parachute for sale. Only used once, never opened, small stain.'"
[IntroComp]|14:56 Jacqueline says, "So, this non-commercial release thing."
[IntroComp]|14:56 Jacqueline says, "I wanted it to be simple, but of course it's not."
[lounge]|14:56 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[lounge]|14:57 Ytsalwenc concentrates, and disappears.
[IntroComp]|14:57 Jacqueline says, "I just feel like I shouldn't shell out $100 to a game that's going to get more money."
[IntroComp]|14:57 vimes says, "it never is"
[IntroComp]|14:57 Jacqueline says, "I'm not sure why I feel this way."
[IntroComp]|14:57 Jacqueline says, "But it feels unfair to me or something, and I can't put my finger on why."
[quotations]|14:57 Roger says, "Heh."
[IntroComp]|14:57 Jacqueline says, "I'm curious if others have any thoughts."
[IntroComp]|14:58 Jota says, "Given how few commercial IF games there are to me, it seems kinda unnecessary."
[IntroComp]|14:58 Jacqueline says, "Well, the Choice of Games are pretty much all semi-commercial."
[IntroComp]|14:58 Jacqueline says, "And they placed decently last year."
[IntroComp]|14:58 Jota asks, "Plus, if an IF game *does* become successful commercially, isn't that something we should encourage?"
[IntroComp]|14:58 Jota says, "Oh, I didn't realize Choice Of Games were eligible."
[IntroComp]|14:58 Roger says, "Perhaps the author will graciously donate a prize of equal or greater value"
[IntroComp]|14:59 Jacqueline says, "I'm not against Choice games, but I feel like I shouldn't be footing part of the tab for games with in-game-ads."
[IntroComp]|14:59 Jacqueline says (to Roger), "I can't ask people to do that."
[IntroComp]|14:59 Jacqueline says, "I want this to be a comp for new folks."
[IntroComp]|14:59 Jacqueline says, "Some Choice of People are new folks."
[videogames]|14:59 Gunther says, "What, to paraphrase Sisqo, these bitches want from a Witcher"
[IntroComp]|14:59 Tale says, "I say, those loosers commercial games should bugger off (except zarf and Dave and Nepstead, that ToaSK guy etc.)"
[IntroComp]|15:00 Jacqueline says, "I've never restricted it to that, but I want this to be a safe space for people to float ideas, not a place for ... ugh.  I can't place why this bothers me."
[IntroComp]|15:00 Jota asks, "Do they have ads in the intro, or just the final game?"
[IntroComp]|15:00 Jacqueline says (to Tale), "Right.  See, that's the thing."
[IntroComp]|15:00 Jacqueline says, "Jota: see http://www.intfiction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5159 "
[IntroComp]|15:00 vimes asks, "hm, what if you stipulated that to be eligible for the prize you have to provide a copy of the game to IntroComp for distribution under the same methods as the intro was?"
[adventures]|15:00 Gunther says (to Jota), "yeah :("
[IntroComp]|15:00 Tale says, "It just seems wrong to have commercial games in this, because this is aiming to be a fun comp that encourages people. Not something where money is a huge factor and things will be overtly strict and stuff."
[IntroComp]|15:01 inky says, "well, money isn't a factor in the sense that the money from the competition isn't a big factor"
[D&D]|15:01 GDorn | http://uadnd.blogspot.ca/2012/05/dear-wizards-of-coast.html
[IntroComp]|15:01 inky says, "and that will be the case even if someone later goes and sells their game"
[IntroComp]|15:01 Jacqueline says, "I guess it's, like, they're going to make money off of their game, so why should I personally shell out up to an additional $100?  If this were IF Comp, where prize money is donated by a bunch of folks, I don't think it would bother me, but since I shell this out myself, it does for some reason."
[IntroComp]|15:02 Jacqueline asks (of inky), "Could you elaborate?"
[IntroComp]|15:02 Tale says, "Aw, still nobody has answered that newbie."
[D&D]|15:02 inky says, "yeah, that's not going to happen"
[IntroComp]|15:03 Jacqueline asks (of Tale), "Where, the lounge?"
[IntroComp]|15:03 Jacqueline says, "I'm not in the lounge."
[lounge]|15:03 Jacqueline est arrivée.  Cool, les geekettes en puissance!
[IntroComp]|15:03 Tale says, "In that thread"
[D&D]|15:03 GDorn says, "I'm still reading it to come up with a TL;DR summary"
[IntroComp]|15:03 inky says (to Jacqueline), "I just mean, it's not like winning the competition means you get a million dollars"
[IntroComp]|15:04 Roger says, "I guess I find myself surprised that the author of a commercially-viable product wouldn't find it worthwhile to decline here."
[IntroComp]|15:04 vimes says, "everyone thinks they've got the next million-dollar idea"
[IntroComp]|15:04 Jacqueline says, "Right, because I can't log into that site (intfic) from work and have been too busy to deal with doing it aside from brief breaks at work this week, and I have  plastered all over the rules on my site DO NOT POST TO INTFIC, EMAIL ME."
[D&D]|15:04 Gunther says, "I stopped at "you don't know me""
[IntroComp]|15:04 Jacqueline says, "But I'm logging in now to answer folks before I go away for the weekend."
[D&D]|15:04 Gunther says, "as will WotC"
[D&D]|15:04 Jota asks, "Do we know what original thing this is responding to?"
[D&D]|15:04 GDorn says, "she makes some excellent points"
[videogames]|15:05 K-Y says, "excellent http://ethervapor.com/demo "
[IntroComp]|15:05 Jacqueline says (to inky), "So, I should just back off on this, in your opinion."
[IntroComp]|15:05 Jacqueline says, "Not let it bother me."
[IntroComp]|15:05 Jacqueline says, "I guess I'm just trying to figure out why it bothers me."
[D&D]|15:05 Allen says, "hey, a color coded system. It worked for the DHS"
[IntroComp]|15:05 lpsmith says, "I think your feeling this way is perfectly normal."
[videogames]|15:05 K-Y says, "four years I've waited"
[D&D]|15:05 Roger says, "I dunno... I mean, on one hand, there's no shortage of people claiming 'noooo you're doing it all wrong'."
[IntroComp]|15:06 Jacqueline says, "Like, I like Peter Nepsted and his game, but I don't think I'd want to have awarded him money, either."
[IntroComp]|15:06 lpsmith says, "You could just have a 'prizes only given to non-commercial works' clause."
[D&D]|15:06 Roger says, "On the other, I think I'm seeing a lot more online response to 5e than I ever did to 4e."
[D&D]|15:06 Roger says, "I guess the proof will be in the pudding."
[IntroComp]|15:06 Jacqueline says (to lpsmith), "I thoguht of that, but then they edge out others being able to get prizes."
[IntroComp]|15:06 Jacqueline says, "er, thought"
[IntroComp]|15:06 Jacqueline says, "Maybe that's a happy middle ground, though."
[IntroComp]|15:06 lpsmith asks, "They do?"
[IntroComp]|15:06 Jacqueline asks, "If you get why I feel this way, could you articulate why you think I might feel this way?"
[IntroComp]|15:07 lpsmith says, "Hee."
[IntroComp]|15:07 Tale says, "Just keep the rule as it is. It's your comp, you can set the rules."
[IntroComp]|15:07 Jacqueline says (to lpsmith), "Well, if a commercial game gets first, then no one else can get the first place prize, that's all."
[IntroComp]|15:07 Roger says, "It's like rich people getting unemployment checks."
[IntroComp]|15:07 lpsmith says (to Jacq), "Well, you can just bump things down the list."
[IntroComp]|15:07 Tale says, "It's like you're kickstarting a project, in a way."
[IntroComp]|15:07 Jacqueline asks (of Tale), "The issue here is that they're asking for clarification.  Is a game commercial if people can access it for free but have to see adds or see a button encouraging them to download the game in the app store?"
[D&D]|15:07 GDorn says, "I guess her main argument is that the print-on-demand custom versions of D&D is the only sustainable option WotC has now."
[IntroComp]|15:08 vimes says, "i would point them at the Creative Commons 'commercial' definition."
[IntroComp]|15:08 vimes says, "if that's the only clarification sought."
[IntroComp]|15:08 Jacqueline goes to look at that.
[D&D]|15:09 Roger says, "The thing is that TSR already tried 'hey let's make a dozen different versions of D&D for everyone simultaneous' approach and it ran them into the ground."
[D&D]|15:09 GDorn | If people are currently playing four different systems of D&D (and they are: Rules Cyclopedia (including Basic, etc.), AD&D (both editions), 3/3.5 and 4) then obviously what they want is four different systems.
[D&D]|15:09 Jota says, "I don't know what 'edition of editions' even means."
[IntroComp]|15:09 Tale says, "Afk for amoment"
[D&D]|15:09 GDorn says, "Well, TSR was also a horribly mismanaged company..."
[IntroComp]|15:09 vimes | You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation. The exchange of the Work for other copyrighted works by means of digital file-sharing or otherwise shall not be considered to be intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation, provided there is no payment of any monetary compensation in connection with the exchange of copyrighted works.
[IntroComp]|15:10 vimes says, "which generally means that presenting it alongside ads is fine, having ads injected into the game or as part of the gameplay flow is not"
[IntroComp]|15:10 Roger says, "Hmmm what if you asked for $100 worth of their commercial product."
[D&D]|15:11 GDorn says (to Jota), "somebody somewhere decided that 5e was going to satisfy everybody by either having elements from every edition or allowing you to choose which elements from which editions you want to play with."
[IntroComp]|15:11 Jacqueline asks (of Roger), "?"
[D&D]|15:11 GDorn says, "it may or may not have been WotC that started that idea."
[IntroComp]|15:11 genericgeekgirl asks, "I guess it feels to me that if they're already intending to make a commercial product, even if commercial here just means "putting in the effort and expense to put it in the app store, but not expecting to charge", maybe that's not what intro comp is meant for?"
[videogames]|15:12 K-Y says, "well, I guess one more month of waiting"
[IntroComp]|15:12 Jacqueline says, "Yeah."
[IntroComp]|15:13 Jacqueline says, "But hm... I didn't feel bad about Cryptozookeeper."
[IntroComp]|15:13 Jacqueline says, "That's just occurred to me."
[IntroComp]|15:13 Jacqueline says, "I guess that's because you could still play it completely for free."
[IntroComp]|15:13 Jacqueline says, "No ads, no nothing."
[IntroComp]|15:14 Jacqueline says, "I think I am fine with anyone putting their game in the app store or on kindle, but I'd want a free (completely free) version available in a browser or for direct download."
[IntroComp]|15:14 vimes says, "so, going back to my suggestion of prize eligibility contingent on final release being available under the same free and unencumbered terms as the intro was"
[IntroComp]|15:14 vimes says, "(even if you also sell it)"
[IntroComp]|15:14 josh_g says, "just recapping, I think all of this is pretty reasonable"
[IntroComp]|15:15 genericgeekgirl says, "I think with Cryptozookeeper, the sense is that you're paying for "extras". Feelies, extra artwork, etc. It costs money and extra time to produce those things and make them available."
[IntroComp]|15:15 Jacqueline says, "I don't see this happening, but it's kinda like, under the old rules, TextFyre could have swooped in with a team of writers and blown lots of people out of the water, and that's not what introcomp is for.  But then, a group doing something like a TextFyre game but for free would be pretty cool."
[IntroComp]|15:15 josh_g says, "you could maybe put in some kind of exception clause on an honor system, like, if someone wins a prize and then goes on to market their game and earns more than $100, they should re-contribute the prize money back into the community somehow"
[IntroComp]|15:15 Jacqueline asks (of josh), "What would your clarification to Dan be?"
[IntroComp]|15:16 Roger says, "It seems sort of parallel to the 'heyyy Psychonauts isn't Indie' consternation but that's just a vague feeling"
[IntroComp]|15:16 Jacqueline says (to josh), "That might work."
[IntroComp]|15:16 vimes says, "hm, a pay it forward sort of thing is a neat idea, yeah"
[IntroComp]|15:16 josh_g says, "that way people don't feel honor-bound to never put their game on the App Store for moneys or something"
[IntroComp]|15:16 genericgeekgirl says, "Yeah."
[IntroComp]|15:17 Jacqueline says, "That, I think, is straight forward (i.e. no weird legalese like the cc commercial thing (sorry, vimes)), and yet gets to the spirit, I think, of what's niggling at me."
[IntroComp]|15:17 genericgeekgirl says, "It also feels really different to me, though, if you realize your game is awesome and decide later on you want to make it available on the app store."
[programming]|15:17 katre says, "after the build being broken for 2.5 days, it's finally green again"
[programming]|15:17 katre says, "everyone is submitting changes all at once"
[IntroComp]|15:17 Jacqueline says (to ggg), "Yeah"
[programming]|15:17 katre says, "I should have started a pool on how long until this causes another build break"
[programming]|15:17 josh_g says, "ETA to total build failure: 3.5min"
[IntroComp]|15:17 genericgeekgirl says, "King of Shreds and Patches, for example."
[IntroComp]|15:17 Jacqueline says, "I don't want to hold people back from that, I just don't want to be kickstarting random stuff that I didn't vote on (because I never vote in IntroComp)."
[programming]|15:18 katre says, "(you can only submit when the build is green)"
[programming]|15:18 josh_g says, "now I'm picturing a big green warning light in the center of a room full of cubicles"
[IntroComp]|15:18 Jacqueline says, "Okay, I think I will be good with that, at least as a trial for this year."
[IntroComp]|15:18 Jacqueline says, "Thank you very much, everyone.  I'll go clarify stuff for folks."
[programming]|15:18 josh_g says, "'We have green! We have green! Go go go!'"
[programming]|15:18 lpsmith says, "Wait, I see a problem with that system."
[programming]|15:18 katre asks (of lps), "hm?"
[programming]|15:18 josh_g says (to lpsmith), "ha ha"
[programming]|15:19 katre says, "the actual rule is slightly more nuanced"
[programming]|15:19 katre says, "in that a) you can only submit if _your_change_ causes a green build"
[programming]|15:19 lpsmith says, "Aww."
[programming]|15:19 katre says, "and b) you can override it if you really want to"
[programming]|15:19 lpsmith says, "I was hoping it just meant that the build was permanently broken."
[programming]|15:20 katre says, "but when someone in mountain view changes a library we depend on and it causes tests to fail for 2.5 days, we're all sad"
[programming]|15:20 vimes says, "option b involves giving the editor a cut, though"
[programming]|15:20 katre says (to vimes), "exactly"
[programming]|15:20 katre says, "and eclipse ain't cheap!"
[travel]|15:20 Matthew says, "Man.  A transatlantic trip on the QM2 for less than $1,000."
[travel]|15:20 Matthew says, "So tempting."
[programming]|15:20 lpsmith says, "Since option b) involved losing his job, katre preferred to muck about with option a)."
[travel]|15:20 Roger says, "Time of year is relevant"
[travel]|15:21 Matthew exclaims (at Roger), "July!"
[travel]|15:21 Roger says, "Yeah that could work.  I'd go for it."
[travel]|15:21 Roger says, "Possibly part of the general grovelling in the cruise industry these days"
[travel]|15:21 Matthew says, "Also $1,400 if you want a suite rather than just a normal stateroom."
[travel]|15:21 Matthew says, "Er, $1,400 off."
[travel]|15:22 katre asks, "how long is a transatlantic boat ride?"
[travel]|15:22 lpsmith says (to katre), "Just long enough to reach land."
[travel]|15:22 Matthew says (to katre), "One week."
[travel]|15:23 katre says, "not bad"
[workplace]|15:23 Allen says, "pff, pseudo summer flex days again this year"
[workplace]|15:23 Allen says, "you have to work an extra hour monday-thursday"
[workplace]|15:23 Allen says, "and then, at noon on friday, provided you're not busy, you can take off"
[workplace]|15:24 Allen says, "if you are busy, tough. You can work 9 hours a day next week and try again next friday"
[lounge]|15:24 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[lounge]|15:24 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[travel]|15:24 BrenBarn says, "man, that's pretty cool"
[travel]|15:25 katre says, "ofc, the main problem is then paying to return home"
[travel]|15:25 Matthew exclaims (at katre), "Well, Southampton->New York trips cost $100 less, so I'd be saving money by flying there and taking the ocean liner back!!"
[travel]|15:26 katre says, "score"
[lounge]|15:26 Grocible comes to visit the lounge just as a huge storm is blowing in. There's Alex playing a big manly shark wrangler and some people who are clearly labeled as snacks.
[lounge]|15:26 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Grocible"
[lounge]|15:27 Grocible says, "hello"
[lounge]|15:27 genericgeekgirl peers hungrily at anyone labeled as "snack."
[lounge]|15:27 Grocible says, "I have 4 tins of chestnut cream"
[lounge]|15:27 vimes says, "i have some homemade pickles"
[lounge]|15:27 vimes says, "oh, and shortbread"
[lounge]|15:27 Matthew says, "Mmm."
[lounge]|15:28 Grocible goes home.
[lounge]|15:28 * Grocible has disconnected.
[travel]|15:29 BrenBarn asks, "oh, it's only one-way?"
[travel]|15:30 Matthew says, "Alas."
[health]|15:31 Allen | "CDC does not know of a virus or condition that would reanimate the dead (or one that would present zombie-like symptoms)," wrote agency spokesman David Daigle in an email to The Huffington Post.
[health]|15:32 Roger says, "Other than sleeping sickness, of course."
[health]|15:33 josh_g says, "so they're not saying it's *impossible*"
[health]|15:33 josh_g says, "also, such a thing sort of exists in the insect world, what with parasites poking electrodes into the brains of other animals and taking them over headcrab-style"
[health]|15:34 josh_g says, "IIRC"
[travel]|15:36 Jota says, "You could just move."
[travel]|15:36 Jota says, "Get all your stuff shipped over while you're on the cruise."
[health]|15:36 Roger says, "mmhmmm"
[travel]|15:36 ghira asks, "given how unlikely you think it is you will ever have even 5 days off, if you somehow had 7 would you want to spend all of them on a ship?"
[travel]|15:36 Jota says, "It'd be kinda neat to have your entire apartment reconstructed and ready for you by the time you got off the boat."
[travel]|15:37 Matthew says (to Jota), "Let's wait and see what happens in November first..."
[travel]|15:37 ghira asks, "november?"
[travel]|15:37 Alex says (to ghira), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that november is the 11th month."
[travel]|15:37 ghira says, "oh, election"
[Canada]|15:38 Roger | Toronto salutes Queen Elizabeth with dogs, lutes and tea
[Canada]|15:38 Matthew asks, "Wait, what?"
[Canada]|15:38 vimes says, "ahh, the heartwarming wooftwangsplash"
[Canada]|15:39 Tale asks, "Is she still your boss?"
[Canada]|15:39 Roger says, "Yep"
[Canada]|15:40 Tale asks, "is that likely to change?"
[Canada]|15:40 Roger says, "Not until she dies"
[Canada]|15:40 Matthew says (to Roger), "Yeah, but she's such a nepotist her SON will probably take over or something."
[Canada]|15:41 Matthew exclaims, "Walk around, acting like he's king, maybe even change his name...  I know how these things work!"
[lounge]|15:41 borowski's corporeal form was TP'ed while he was astral projecting.
[lounge]|15:41 * borowski has disconnected.
[Canada]|15:41 ghira asks, "change his name?"
[Canada]|15:41 josh_g says, "the Queen is still 'our boss' in the most ceremonial, completely irrelevant to actual political activity way possible"
[UK]|15:41 Matthew says (to ghira), "I saw some speculation that he might not want to go by King Charles II (or III) or whatever."
[UK]|15:42 ghira says, "I hadn't heard that"
[UK]|15:42 ghira asks, "Not that I follow these things, but why?"
[UK]|15:42 Matthew says, "Yeah, I guess Kings Charles I and II weren't so hot or something.  I'm not really an expert."
[UK]|15:42 Matthew says, "From Wikipedia:"
[UK]|15:43 Matthew | There has been speculation as to what regnal name the Prince will choose upon his succession to the throne. If he keeps his current first name, he will be known as Charles III. However, it was reported in 2005 that Charles has suggested he may choose to reign as George VII in honour of his maternal grandfather, and to avoid association with the Stuart kings Charles I (who was beheaded) and Charles II (who was known for his playboy lifestyle),[145] as well as to be sensitive to the memory of Bonnie Prince Charlie, who was called "Charles III" by his supporters.[145] Charles' office immediately denied this report.[146]
[Canada]|15:43 Tale says, "like our president"
[UK]|15:43 (from vimes) Matthew | Kings Charles I and II weren't so hot [citation needed]
[UK]|15:43 Allen says, "Charles I was pretty good for viol music though"
[UK]|15:43 Matthew says (to vimes), "Take it to #matthewpedia."
[UK]|15:43 Psmith says, "well, there are traditionally names that aren't used at all in the Royal Family for that reason (Stephen, John, James), but if Charles was good enough to be used at birth, it's probably good enough to be used at accession."
[UK]|15:43 Matthew says (to Allen), "The only problem is, they strung him up."
[UK]|15:44 Roger says, "He's going to go with Chas III"
[UK]|15:44 ghira says, "Yeah I knew about Stephen (Steven?) but if they called him Charles they must think it's ok"
[UK]|15:44 ghira says, "Chazza"
[UK]|15:44 ghira says, "Chazza the first"
[UK]|15:44 Matthew says, "I don't particularly care what name he goes by."
[Canada]|15:44 Tale says, "I'm just surprised that you stiil haven't gotten rid of her"
[UK]|15:45 Matthew says, "I guess, personally, I think it would be weird to be named Charles for 60+ years of your life then suddenly be called something else, but maybe royals just sort of expect that or something."
[UK]|15:45 katre says, "there's no requirement that the ordinary be consecutive, right? I'd choose to be King John the Pi, or maybe King John the i, but that gets confusinger"
[UK]|15:45 Matthew says (to katre), "It has to be one of your given names."
[Canada]|15:45 Roger says, "My speculative guess is that it's become a bit of a ragdoll between Quebec (who don't like her) and everyone else (who wants to stick it to Quebec)"
[UK]|15:45 Matthew says, "So, Charles could go by Charles, Philip, Arthur, or George."
[lounge]|15:46 Tale does a little jig.
[UK]|15:46 ghira says (to matt), "I think his main role in life then as now will be to contribute to the sales of mugs, tea-towels and similar"
[UK]|15:46 katre says (to matthew), "I refer to the number, not the name"
[UK]|15:46 Psmith says (to katre), "actually, we have a constitutional convention on regnal numbering too. It's max(English,Scottish)."
[UK]|15:46 ghira says, "though in his case there are also the most excellent chocolate-coated ginger biscuits to take into consideration"
[UK]|15:46 Jota asks, "Wait, he could go by 'Arthur'?"
[UK]|15:46 katre says, "I can be King John if I want (after I conquer England, fo course)"
[UK]|15:46 inky says, "I would like to go by "King II the I""
[UK]|15:46 Matthew says (to Jota), "Yes."
[UK]|15:46 katre says (to inky), "excellent"
[UK]|15:46 Jota asks, "If he can be 'Arthur' why the heck would he pick 'Charles'?"
[UK]|15:46 katre asks (of psmith), "you folks have unwritten conventions for everything, don't you?"
[UK]|15:47 Matthew says (to Jota), "Yeah, I don't get it, either."
[UK]|15:47 katre says, "oh, sorry, that was rude"
[UK]|15:47 katre says, "IMTS 'you chaps'"
[UK]|15:47 Matthew says, "Ha ha ha."
[UK]|15:47 Psmith says, "yay"
[UK]|15:48 Jota asks (of ghira), "In his case, would the mugs have two handles?"
[UK]|15:48 ghira says (to jota), "I think so"
[Canada]|15:48 Roger says, "Also guys like the RCMP don't want to be busted down to just the CMP"
[UK]|15:48 Psmith says, "there was a minor kerfuffle in 1952 when Liz2 came to the throne, because there hadn't been an Elizabeth I in Scotland. Scottish nationalists vandalising "E II R"-labelled postboxes, that kind of thing."
[UK]|15:49 Psmith says, "so, aforementioned convention was proposed as a compromise that got the Right Answer."
[UK]|15:49 ghira asks, "so as with papal infallibility this is a pretty recent convention?"
[UK]|15:49 Jota says, "They could just ask the Pope what the number should be."
[Canada]|15:50 josh_g says, "no, not like the president"
[Canada]|15:50 josh_g says, "like someone who has nothing to do with our actions at all"
[Canada]|15:50 josh_g says, "other than looking good on coins"
[Canada]|15:50 josh_g says, "which is exactly why the "getting rid of her" thing would be a pointless waste of time"
[Canada]|15:50 Roger says, "/arguably/ our governor general had some impact on our response to Haiti."
[UK]|15:51 Jota asks, "So if he did pick Arthur, would that ruling make him Arthur I or Arthur II?"
[UK]|15:52 Matthew says, "It would just make him Arthur, I think."
[UK]|15:52 Jota says, "Since there's obviously been a King Arthur, but I don't know if he's on the official roll."
[UK]|15:52 katre says, "Arthur II was a terrible sequel to a terrible movie"
[UK]|15:52 Jota says (to Matthew), "That seems inappropriate."
[UK]|15:52 Matthew says (to katre), "Wait now, the original Arthur wasn't a terrible movie."
[UK]|15:52 Psmith says (to Jota), "English numbering starts at William the Conqueror. Not sure about Scottish offhand."
[UK]|15:52 Matthew says (to katre), "The REMAKE was terrible."
[UK]|15:53 Psmith says, "ah, Kenneth macAlpin, apparently."
[UK]|15:53 inky says, "he would be Arthur 2, since the Russell Brand version reset the continuity from the Dudley Moore version"
[UK]|15:53 Roger says, "But everyone will call him Longshanks"
[UK]|15:53 Matthew says, "Arthur 2: On the Reboot."
[IntroComp]|15:54 Jacqueline says, "Okay, here:"
[UK]|15:54 Gunther says, "I think he should go with Nae Mac Feegle I."
[IntroComp]|15:54 Jacqueline | http://www.intfiction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5159&p=37771#p37771
[UK]|15:54 Jota asks, "So have the papers been speculating on a royal retirement on Tuesday?"
[IntroComp]|15:54 Jacqueline says, "And on that note, I have to get my stuff together for my trip."
[lounge]|15:54 Grocible likes you, yeah he likes you, and you can see his name now if you type "who".
[IntroComp]|15:54 Jacqueline says, "If people have thoughts, please do e-mail me over the weekend."
[IntroComp]|15:55 Jacqueline says, "Thanks again, everyone."
[UK]|15:55 Psmith says (to Jota), "s/on Tuesday/for the past twenty years/"
[UK]|15:55 vimes says, "Nae king! Nae quin! Nae larid! Nae master! Except one of us, and then only when there's lots of alcohol involved."
[workplace]|15:55 Matthew says, "Oh, some dumb update."
[UK]|15:55 Jota says (to Ps), "Sure, but this seems like it would be an appropriate day for it."
[UK]|15:55 Jota says, "A nice round number and all."
[workplace]|15:55 Matthew says, "I think I mentioned my company is doing a talent show thing later this month."
[lounge]|15:55 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[lounge]|15:55 Grocible goes home.
[lounge]|15:55 * Grocible has disconnected.
[UK]|15:55 Psmith says, "I think Brenda sees retirement as being contrary to her coronation oath, so a non-starter."
[workplace]|15:56 Matthew says, "We have an actual digital music composer here, so I brought in MIDI files of the accompaniment for the songs I want to do, and he's been doctoring them up with all of his sound samples and stuff."
[workplace]|15:56 Matthew says, "They sound amazingly terrific."
[UK]|15:56 Jota asks, "Brenda?"
[workplace]|15:56 katre asks, "when is it?"
[UK]|15:56 Psmith says, "Private Eye's nickname for the Queen."
[workplace]|15:56 Matthew says, "It's the closest first-hand experience I've had with this stuff.  Wild, but wonderful."
[workplace]|15:56 Matthew says (to katre), "June 27, it looks like."
[UK]|15:57 Jota says, "Huh."
[videogames]|15:57 Fang | It goes on far too long, seems to reach a climactic conflict repeatedly but then pull back from it in favour of more stringing along and treats its characters as utterly disposable. In other words, it?s faithful to the source material in an intrinsic way, not merely a stylistic one. Cyanide?s Game of Thrones: The Roleplaying Game is a slow-burner with a deeply awkward opening and besieged by footballer in a pizza advert levels of voice-acting, but it builds carefully, cleverly and dramatically.
[UK]|15:57 Jota asks, "Is there some 'til death do you part' bit in there?"
[workplace]|15:57 katre says, "break the metaphorical leg"
[UK]|15:58 maga says, "by 'Defender of the Faith' we are to understand 'defending it from Charles'"
[UK]|15:58 Psmith says, "hmm,"
[UK]|15:58 Psmith says, " http://fwd4.me/122x "
[UK]|15:59 Jota asks, "...1953?"
[UK]|15:59 Psmith says, "sure. A coronation takes time to organise."
[UK]|15:59 Jota says, "Huh."
[UK]|15:59 Psmith says, "Edward VIII was never crowned, for example."
[css]|16:01 Dave asks, "any idea how to alter an image so it looks like the left side is further away thena the right side?"
[people-suk]|16:01 josh_g asks, "ok, so kind of belated, but is it just me or is Tale's response in #canada just annoyingly oblivious?"
[css]|16:01 Dave says, "so the left edge is 266px high and the right is 286px high"
[UK]|16:01 Jota says, "Huh. I don't see anything in there that would preclude abdicating, unless you thought your offspring wouldn't be able to do those things as well as you (in your elderly dotage) would."
[people-suk]|16:02 josh_g says, "I guess I can't tell if it's annoying to everyone, or just pushing my buttons as a Canadian who's annoyed by clueless Americanism"
[people-suk]|16:02 Jota asks, "The 'president' part or 'gotten rid of her' part?"
[people-suk]|16:02 josh_g says, "both"
[people-suk]|16:02 josh_g says, "the combo"
[UK]|16:02 Psmith says, "well, abdications have a bad rap here. James II and Edward VIII aren't great precedents to follow."
[people-suk]|16:02 Jota says, "I don't know anything about the German presidency or how much power it has, so I don't know if that part is dumb or not."
[people-suk]|16:03 inky says, "I think places without kings/queens have trouble understanding what places with them are like"
[UK]|16:03 lpsmith says, "If you're clear-headed enough to abdicate, you're clear-headed enough to perform the duties of a queen."
[people-suk]|16:03 inky says (to Jota), "well, remember they have a parliament system, so the prime minister is the important one"
[people-suk]|16:03 Jota says, "But I can understand being genuinely surprised that a country that has its own complete and independent government still maintaining a foreign monarch."
[people-suk]|16:03 inky says, "and the president is mostly ceremonial"
[people-suk]|16:03 josh_g says, "oh, now I'm the one being clueless; I'd forgotten he's from Germany. #josh-sux"
[people-suk]|16:03 inky says, "(er, sorry, I guess that was mostly rhetorical confusion)"
[people-suk]|16:05 josh_g says, "man this is what I get for reacting to things here when I should be doing something else"
[people-suk]|16:05 Jota asks (of inky), "You ask me to remember these things, but how am I to do so without having known them in the first place?"
[people-suk]|16:05 Jota asks (of josh), "You get educated?"
[people-suk]|16:05 josh_g says (to Jota), "heh"
[css]|16:05 Jearl says, "haven't done it myself, but I found this:"
[css]|16:06 Jearl says, " http://www.wierdwalker.com/2010/09/css3-transform-image-skewrotate-and.html "
[Canada]|16:06 Tale says, "East and weast doesn't do anything ... I tried just dropping the cookie to lure the mouse out..."
[D&D]|16:06 inky | His answers are all lies. If the adventurers are polite, the lies are obvious, opposite to the truth, and easy to parse. If the party is rude, the lies are unhelpful.
[Canada]|16:06 Tale says, "Crap. Ignore that."
[css]|16:06 Jearl says, "looks a bit painful though and the presense of -webkit and -moz is not hopeful"
[telltalegames]|16:06 baf says, "Just got out of WD brainstorming session. Obstacle idea proposed that we're probably not going to use: dead elephant."
[telltalegames]|16:07 inky asks, "WD?"
[telltalegames]|16:07 Alex says (to inky), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that WD is wet dream."
[css]|16:07 Dave says, "I only need it for IE"
[telltalegames]|16:07 baf says, "Walking Dead"
[D&D]|16:07 Jota says, "Neat."
[telltalegames]|16:07 inky says, "oh yeah"
[telltalegames]|16:07 inky asks, "a zombie elephant?"
[jacq-chat]|16:07 Jacqueline says, "Okay, leaving now.  Back Sunday night.  See you, peeps."
[D&D]|16:07 inky says, "also it is pretty interesting to go through these different one-pagers and compare how much I like them"
[telltalegames]|16:07 Jota asks, "Why wouldn't you use a zombie elephant?"
[jacq-chat]|16:07 inky says, "byebye"
[telltalegames]|16:07 baf says, "Not a zombie elephant. Apparently only humans zombify in this setting."
[telltalegames]|16:07 Jota says, "Oh."
[css]|16:08 vimes says, "hm, transform: rotate maybe"
[jacq-chat]|16:08 Tale says, "So long, Jacq."
[css]|16:08 vimes says, "no, that only does 2d rotation, it looks like"
[telltalegames]|16:09 baf says, "But I'm imagining that at some point some zookeeper seeing civilization collapsing would have set some of the animals free so they wouldn't just starve to death in their cages with no one to feed them, and then the elephant would fall prey to zombie attacks. And would be difficult to move."
[css]|16:09 Jearl says, "I'm seeing 'perspective'"
[UK]|16:09 Allen says, "music sucked under Charles II, too"
[D&D]|16:09 inky says, "I think in general I like the adventures better (as adventures) the more work they require on my part"
[css]|16:09 vimes says, "yeah, i just found that"
[css]|16:09 vimes says, "no idea if it works in IE"
[telltalegames]|16:09 baf says, "Like, you couldn't just use a fork lift."
[D&D]|16:09 Roger says, "Hunh"
[D&D]|16:10 Jota asks, "Are you thinking of running one?"
[css]|16:11 Jearl says, "ok, so IE doens't support a lot of the transform properties, but there's something called IE matrix that does"
[D&D]|16:11 inky says, "nah"
[css]|16:11 Jearl says, " http://www.useragentman.com/IETransformsTranslator/ "
[css]|16:11 Jearl says, "but with that I have to get back to work"
[UK]|16:11 Psmith asks, "huh. Wasn't that Henry Purcell's era? Or was he a little later?"
[css]|16:12 Jearl says, "it looks like you need to apply a matrix trnaslation to the image, because just rotating and skewing won't do it"
[UK]|16:12 Allen says, "maybe toward the end. I associate purcell with james"
[css]|16:12 Jearl says, "and then trnalste it into this"
[jacq-chat]|16:12 Tale says, "YAy, I won!"
[jacq-chat]|16:12 Tale says, "Damn"
[UK]|16:12 Allen says, "Purcell, born 1659"
[css]|16:13 Dave says, "I'll have to play with this over the weekend"
[css]|16:13 Jearl says, "or I guess just write directly for the IE matrix filter, but you're on your own, I have known about this for < 3 minutes"
[UK]|16:13 Allen says, "charles didn't care for english music, and set about trying to imitate the french"
[D&D]|16:13 inky says, "but like the ones where someone has laid out a dungeon and carefully described every room end up feeling like they have done a bunch of busywork to make sure every room was described"
[D&D]|16:14 inky says, "and some of the descriptions are 1) not as high-quality or interesting, lowering the overall quality and 2) disguise what's the 'important stuff' in the dungeon"
[D&D]|16:14 inky says, "arguably wandering monster tables get around this somewhat"
[D&D]|16:15 inky says, "like you say "these ten rooms are basically all the same, but roll on this chart to spice stuff up""
[telltalegames]|16:19 baf says, "You may recall a video of an attempt to blow up a beached whale, resulting in huge chunks of gory whaleflesh raining down destructively."
[telltalegames]|16:19 inky says, "a classic"
[telltalegames]|16:19 baf asks, "I ask, would not a similar situation fit into The Walking Dead perfectly?"
[telltalegames]|16:20 baf says, "Gore and hubris. That's WD in a nutshell."
[telltalegames]|16:20 vimes says, "aie, beached zombie wale"
[telltalegames]|16:20 vimes says, "whale, even"
[politics]|16:20 Allen | The U.S. government told a federal appeals court Thursday that it still has the right to place Global Positioning System tracking devices on cars without obtaining a search warrant--despite a January Supreme Court ruling that the warrantless installation of such a device violated the Constitution.
[politics]|16:21 inky says, "uhh"
[games]|16:21 Jota says, "Hmm. Apparently, when I get a country in Draw Something, my first instinct is always to draw a large map and then point out that country's location."
[games]|16:22 inky says, "can you do that (in the sense of 'are you able, skill-wise')? it turns out I can't draw countries any better than I can draw anything else"
[games]|16:22 Jota says, "It worked when I drew Japan."
[games]|16:22 vimes says, "i can draw America, Sat Upon pretty well"
[games]|16:23 Jota says, "I haven't heard back yet about Sweden and England, yet."
[games]|16:23 Jota says, "For Japan, I did the whole world, so I didn't need to be very detailed."
[politics]|16:23 Allen | In U.S. v. Jones, the court's majority ruled that warrantless GPS tracking device installation constituted a trespass onto an individual's property. But the high court did not adjudicate another government argument, which held that GPS tracking is a reasonable search that could be accomplished by other means -- physically following a suspect's car, for example -- and therefore did not require a warrant.
[games]|16:23 inky says, "I feel like I have better luck with flags"
[politics]|16:23 Allen | If the distinction strikes you as a tenuous one, you are not alone. One legal scholar described the government's argument as a violation of "the spirit, if not the letter, of the Jones decision."
[games]|16:23 Jota says, "I just pointed my arrow at the little green blob off the coast of Asia."
[games]|16:23 Jota says, "I never think of flags until after drawing the map."
[games]|16:24 Jota says, "At which point there isn't enough room left over."
[videogames]|16:24 Fang | Other legal analysts, however, have identified several situations in which a search may be conducted without a warrant, including searches at border crossings and in public schools, and speculated that the government could credibly present GPS tracking as another reasonable exception to the search-warrant requirement.
[games]|16:24 Jota says, "(Also, my strategy workd for Florida, too. And I don't even know what its flag looks like.)"
[videogames]|16:24 Fang says, "ilac"
[politics]|16:25 Fang | Other legal analysts, however, have identified several situations in which a search may be conducted without a warrant, including searches at border crossings and in public schools, and speculated that the government could credibly present GPS tracking as another reasonable exception to the search-warrant requirement.
[lounge]|16:27 Grocible built your house with his bare hands. He is also your dad and the inventor of corn chips, and if you look out your window, that guy doing calisthenics on the lawn is also Grocible.
[politics]|16:27 Fang says, "but those other searches are all access requirement searches though"
[politics]|16:27 Psmith asks, "huh. What's the reasoning behind searches in schools not needing a warrant?"
[politics]|16:27 Fang says, "you can, I presume, choose not to consent to a search, and just leave"
[politics]|16:28 Roger says, "Then get arrested for truancy"
[politics]|16:28 Fang says (to Psmith), "civil liberties and schools are a weird mess."
[lounge]|16:28 Grocible goes home.
[lounge]|16:28 * Grocible has disconnected.
[games]|16:28 baf says, "When I got a country (back when I was playing Draw Something), my first instinct was to draw a map of just that country and its immediate surroundings."
[workplace]|16:28 Matthew says, "(#belated, sorry, pulled into a meeting)  I imagine there will be video of this, so everyone may get to see/hear me sing, if you are at all interested in that."
[politics]|16:28 Fang | In an amicus brief filed at the Ninth Circuit, the American Civil Liberties Union warned, ?Without a warrant requirement, the low cost of GPS tracking and data storage would permit the police to continuously track every driver.?
[games]|16:29 Jota says, "That seems tricky."
[games]|16:29 Roger asks, "I mean, everyone knows what Turkey looks like, right?"
[politics]|16:29 Fang says, "this argument seems unpersuasive though"
[games]|16:29 Jota says, "I remember someone did that for me with France, and I didn't get it until they added an Eiffel Tower."
[games]|16:29 baf says, "So, like, for Japan, I'd first draw an outline of Japan filling most of the screen, and then the western coast of China as an afterthought. For Norway, I'd probably do all of Scandinavia with Norway filled in red or something."
[workplace]|16:30 inky says, "heck yeah"
[games]|16:30 baf says, "(Western coast? Eastern coast.)"
[games]|16:31 baf says, "But there's a guy in my office who always draw first a flag, then some cultural signifiers or stereotypes around it."
[games]|16:32 baf says, "The map approach always seemed to me to be more in the spirit of the game."
[games]|16:32 baf says, "Drawing a map is challenging your ability to draw something recognizably. Drawing a flag is just challenging your ability to remember flags."
[games]|16:33 baf says, "or rather, the other person's ability to remember them"
[games]|16:33 Jota says, "I dunno, my flags look as crappy as everything else I draw."
[games]|16:33 Fang says, "I just drew the flag"
[games]|16:33 Fang says, "er, assuming I had the appropriate colours"
[games]|16:33 Roger says, "Colorado or Libya?  You decide."
[games]|16:34 inky says, "flag colors make it relatively easy to draw them understandably, though"
[games]|16:34 inky says, "like the US flag can be a blue blob with red lines coming out to the right and a few longer ones underneath"
[games]|16:34 Jota says, "True."
[games]|16:35 Jota says, "Until you run into Ireland and haven't upgraded your color set."
[politics]|16:35 McMartin says, "Minors don't have rights, basically."
[comics]|16:35 Roger says, "I guess Green Lantern sort of makes sense."
[politics]|16:35 McMartin says, "There's just an elaborate scheme to pretend they do, but that they are coincidentally overridden whenever they conflict with anyone else."
[candy]|16:36 vimes says, "further taffy adventures"
[candy]|16:36 vimes says, "white with tiny brown flecks: chocolate"
[comics]|16:36 Roger says, "He's in the Air Force so he had to wait until DADT went away"
[comics]|16:36 inky says, "ha ha"
[candy]|16:36 vimes says, "dark brown: tastes like butterscotch"
[candy]|16:37 vimes says, "and, here we go, bright lurid bubble-gum pink: vanilla"
[comics]|16:37 Jearl asks, "not saying this to mess up your joke, but: Alan Scott's in teh AM too?"
[games]|16:37 Jota says, "Which reminds me of http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/draw-something/thumb/a/aa/Eggplant.jpg/228px-Eggplant.jpg "
[comics]|16:37 Jearl says, "er, AF"
[comics]|16:37 Roger says, "I don't know who Alan Scott is."
[games]|16:37 inky says, "hooray"
[comics]|16:37 Jearl says, "ok, good, because this is exactly the point I was hoping to make"
[games]|16:37 vimes says, "ha ha"
[comics]|16:37 Jearl says, "Alan Scott is the original Green Lantern"
[comics]|16:38 Jearl says, "but he is not who most people who read comics think of as Green Lantern"
[comics]|16:38 Jearl says, "there are like 4"
[comics]|16:38 Roger says, "There's always at least 4"
[comics]|16:38 Jearl says, "actually 5, and that's just the human ones"
[comics]|16:39 Jearl says, "this is such a confusing idea to a non-DC nerd, it's the whole reboot in microcosm"
[games]|16:39 Jota says, "Also, since we're on the subject of Draw Something:"
[games]|16:39 Jota | One of my friends just writes down the answer. I quit playing with him, because he got mad that I couldn't get the answer right. His handwriting is atrocious.
[comics]|16:39 Roger says, "It's pretty easy when the origin story is 'woke up one day, found jewelry.'"
[games]|16:39 baf says, "ha"
[comics]|16:39 Jearl says, "from what I read, the writer was like 'it's sad that we retconned Alan Scott's gay son out of existence, Is it ok if I make Alan Scott gay?' and the editor said 'sure'"
[games]|16:39 Gunther says, "bwaha"
[games]|16:39 inky says, "ha ha"
[comics]|16:39 Jearl says, "good on them"
[comics]|16:39 Jearl says, "but then DC marketed it like this big deal"
[games]|16:39 Gunther says, "also I feel like the game is a total misnomer"
[games]|16:39 Gunther says, "like, you don't draw *something*, you draw a specific thing"
[comics]|16:40 Jearl says, "making it look like a corporate decision. If it were it would be a pretty terrible one, what with the 5 green lanterns and this one being from Earth 2 so does he even count"
[games]|16:40 Jota says (to Gunther), "You'd probably consider the name of the ad-supported version of the iPhone app even worse, then."
[games]|16:40 baf asks, "That's not something?"
[games]|16:40 Jota says, "'Draw Free'"
[comics]|16:40 Jearl says, "so it looks baffling from the outside and cynical from the inside; even though it was probably neither"
[games]|16:40 Gunther says (to baf), "it's much like Jay isn't games at all. A total letdown."
[comics]|16:41 Jearl says, "this has been another installment of Please Give Dan Didio a Nice Vacation and Hire New Editors"
[iPhone]|16:41 Jon | https://twitter.com/#!/ZooeySiri
[games]|16:41 Roger says, "Draw, Stranger"
[comics]|16:41 inky says, "ha ha"
[comics]|16:41 Jearl says, "seriously, everything about this reboot has been a multilevel disaster"
[games]|16:41 inky says, "Draw Fastest West of the Mississippi"
[iPhone]|16:42 inky says, "ha ha"
[comics]|16:43 Roger says, "My familiarity with comics is about equal to that with professional wrestling.  I know it's around and I know some people really care about it, and sometimes I enjoy the second-hand commentary."
[comics]|16:44 Jota asks, "And what about that big crossover with Hulk Hogan and Spiderman?"
[comics]|16:44 inky asks, "is that a real thing?"
[comics]|16:44 Jearl says, "I just want an interesting story about characters I care about!"
[comics]|16:44 Jearl says, "I don't get this constant return to a Silver Age well"
[comics]|16:44 inky says, "(given http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=36689 )"
[iPhone]|16:44 baf says, "The one 'are there any videogames about barbers?' -- I don't know of any offhand (although it wouldn't surprise me at all), but it makes me think of a discussion I had with a colleague after I mentioned on my blog wanting to see more videogames based on broadway musicals."
[comics]|16:45 Jota says (to inky), "I was only making it up, but that doesn't actually answer your question."
[comics]|16:45 Jearl says, "Spider-Man has probably teamed up with Meatloaf and Nancy Reagan. The eighties were heady."
[iPhone]|16:45 baf says, "Somehow this led to both of us trying to invent a videogame based on the most inappropriate musical. My suggestion was Sweeny Todd; his was Jesus Christ Superstar."
[comics]|16:45 vimes says, "i seem to remember spider-man teaming up with the kool-aid man once"
[comics]|16:45 inky says (to Jota), "well, there's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZlq9X2sWoA "
[iPhone]|16:46 baf says, "I see the Sweeny Todd game as basically a small business simulation. You'd have to try to get enough repeat customers to stay in business and enough one-time customers to keep the pie shop in business."
[workplace]|16:46 vimes says, "problem: office building is experiencing homeless people using its restrooms.  solution: lock the restrooms, giving keys to the offices.  result: now homeless people are using the stairwell instead."
[comics]|16:47 inky says, "and I guess the 00's version is http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/17/batman-jay-z-comic/ "
[workplace]|16:47 inky says, "oog"
[workplace]|16:47 inky says, "I suppose this is why stairwells get locked on the ground floor"
[workplace]|16:48 inky says, "which is a pain in the ass"
[iPhone]|16:48 baf says, "Your goal would be to kill the Judge and the Beadle, but they won't even consider entering your shop until you've upgraded it a bunch."
[iPhone]|16:48 vimes says, "you could make it a Diner Dash style game."
[iPhone]|16:49 baf says, "As for the Jesus Christ Superstar game, I don't think this was designed much beyond noting that the protagonist of the musical, and thus presumably also the game, is really Judas."
[iPhone]|16:50 inky says, "hmm"
[food]|16:52 DorianX says, "too many caraway seeds in the goulash"
[food]|16:52 DorianX asks, "Any idea what I could do to balance them?"
[food]|16:52 Roger says, "Catchphrase of the decade"
[food]|16:52 inky says, "that sounds like a thing a spy says"
[food]|16:53 inky says, "repeat, too many caraway seeds in the goulash"
[band-name]|16:53 Matthew says, "Caraway Overload."
[food]|16:53 vimes says, "hm, i'd try more onion"
[food]|16:53 inky says, "you have clearance to add paprika"
[food]|16:53 inky says, "do not use garlic until notified"
[food]|16:53 vimes says, "THE DUCK IS BROILING. REPEAT, THE DUCK IS BROILING."
[food]|16:54 Roger says, "paprika's not a bad idea"
[food]|16:54 vimes says, "it's never a bad idea"
[comics]|16:54 McMartin says (to vimes), "Red guys who go through walls"
[comics]|16:54 McMartin says, "Oh man, Kool-Aid Man/Knight Rider"
[comics]|16:54 McMartin says, "In a world where no walls are safe, evil cannot hide"
[food]|16:55 Roger says, "More alcohol probably couldn't hurt"
[comics]|16:55 K-Y says, "Deadman also fits that description"
[comics]|16:55 Roger says, "Haha I parsed that as Kool-Aid Man / Ghost Rider for some reason"
[comics]|16:55 vimes | http://www.thearchnemesis.com/images/Kool%20Aid%20Man%20bitch.gif
[comics]|16:55 K-Y says, "I did also"
[lounge]|16:55 Grocible comes flying down a chute into the lounge as a hollow voice intones, "NOW WE INSERT THE MONKEY INTO THE ENVIRONMENT."
[comics]|16:55 Roger says, "Dude with a flaming pitcher for a head"
[comics]|16:56 Roger says, "OH YEAH"
[comics]|16:56 McMartin says, "I was thinking more of combining the forces of SURPRISE KOOL-AID MAN and KITT's terrible pathfinding"
[comics]|16:57 K-Y says, "also, Red Hulk"
[comics]|16:57 Roger says, "Red Hulk Hogan"
[lounge]|16:58 Hugo had a front row seat to the drama and watched as olethros raged, laughed and threw things.
[macdev]|16:59 Hugo says, "Apple's gone and done something again."
[comics]|16:59 baf says, "I always said that the most inspired part of the second X-Men movie was pitting Kitty Pryde against Juggernaut."
[comics]|16:59 baf says, "They both run through walls! Just in slightly different ways."
[comics]|16:59 McMartin says, "Ha ha"
[macdev]|17:00 Hugo says, "They've changed something about how they process the .plist file for a code-signed application."
[comics]|17:01 baf says, "Also, I just recently read Joss Whedon's run on A"
[comics]|17:01 baf says, "Amazing X-Men"
[macdev]|17:01 Grocible says, "if ( author eq Hugo ) > /dev/null"
[macdev]|17:01 Hugo says, "I used to be able to leave NSPrincipalClass empty, since it's not an Obj-C application."
[comics]|17:01 baf says, "which, as a whole, makes a pretty convincing case for 'Kitty Pryde is the most powerful mutant ever'"
[macdev]|17:02 Hugo says, "But now it refuses to launch and logs an error to that effect to console."
[gayrights]|17:08 genericgeekgirl | If having two dads is evil, how fucked up is having one million moms?
[lounge]|17:15 Nitku leaves.
[videogames]|17:16 Gunther says, "<3 Brooker"
[videogames]|17:16 Gunther | Few crybabies are wailing because I think the Hitman trail is misogynist shit, which it is. Not even *imaginative* misogynist shit.
[research]|17:17 olethros says, "meeeh"
[research]|17:17 olethros says, "new experiments fail to give me interesting graphs"
[research]|17:17 olethros says, "the old graphs which I did 3 months ago looked nicer"
[research]|17:17 olethros says, "If anything, these graphs show my new algorithm to be unbelievably good"
[research]|17:18 olethros says, "yet, it cannot be an error because the performance _is_ improving with time. It is just that very quickly, it becomes almost the same as that of the Oracle"
[research]|17:18 olethros says, "actually, it seems to surpass it slightly, but that is almost certainly an RNG problem"
[videogames]|17:19 Gunther says, "the article http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-05-31-cant-we-discuss-this-like-adults is also good"
[videogames]|17:20 Gunther says, "but it does ask a question in the headline to which the answer, as always, is no."
[videogames]|17:22 vimes | and even highlights the sexiness of their corpses (there's one for "words I wished I'd never have to write on a gaming website, or indeed anywhere")
[videogames]|17:23 Gunther sadly deletes WIP code for Zombie Dating Simulator 3000
[lounge]|17:26 olethros says, "CSB"
[lounge]|17:26 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[movie]|17:27 Gunther says, "most hilariously mistitled movie ever:"
[movie]|17:27 Gunther | Battlefield America
[movie]|17:27 Gunther | a dance movie written and directed by "You Got Served" entrepreneur, Christopher Stokes
[lounge]|17:28 josh_g will call him Pootel; Henry Pootel for short.
[lounge]|17:29 Lucea had the olive complexion.
[lounge]|17:29 Lucea says, "hi"
[bagel]|17:31 * Psmith has joined the channel.
[lounge]|17:31 Roger goes home.
[lounge]|17:31 * Roger has disconnected.
[lounge]|17:32 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[movie]|17:32 Gunther says, "also"
[movie]|17:32 Gunther | Kathleen Kennedy to co-chair Lucasfilm as George Lucas 'moves forward with retirement'
[movie]|17:32 vimes says, "he's not fooling anyone"
[movie]|17:33 Gunther says, "the article also says Red Tails was the first movie produced by Lucasfilm since 1994!! that wasn't Star Wars or Indiana Jones"
[movie]|17:33 vimes says, "he's going to come out with an updated career that involves a hilarious animated sidekick in a couple of years"
[movie]|17:34 Gunther says, "but back to other complete disasters,"
[movie]|17:34 Gunther | "Battlefield America" has to be seen to be believed, but please don't see it.
[comics]|17:35 DorianX asks, "So the Green Lantern is gay?"
[comics]|17:35 DorianX asks, "Is this the real green lantern, or a weird parallel green lantern?"
[comics]|17:36 Gunther says, "#stereotype you are thinking of pink lantern"
[comics]|17:37 inky says, "it's a weird parallel green lantern"
[comics]|17:37 inky says, "specifically it is the earth-2 green lantern"
[comics]|17:37 DorianX asks, "wait, isn't that the universe where good and evil are backwards?"
[comics]|17:38 DorianX says, "Because that seems like it would have horrible implications"
[comics]|17:38 inky says, "it is apparently a universe where at some point it was that the heroes all grew up in WWII"
[comics]|17:38 inky says, "but now they're rebooted ot be younger"
[movie]|17:38 DorianX says, "Now I don't believe ANYTHING"
[comics]|17:38 DorianX says, "Oh, okay, It's the golden age universe"
[comics]|17:38 inky says, "I think this is also some original version of the green lantern, so it's not Hal Jordan or any of the current dudes"
[comics]|17:39 DorianX says, "that's why he's Alan Scott instead of ibe of the actual green lanterns"
[comics]|17:39 Jon says, "yeah, it's the version where the powers came from magic and not from space cops"
[comics]|17:39 inky says, "also, this guy originally had a gay son but in the most recent reboot when he was made younger, the kid disappeared"
[lounge]|17:40 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[comics]|17:40 DorianX asks, "the3 art I saw to demonstrate had him in a GLC uniform, though. Are they realigning him with the canonical corp?"
[shopping]|17:40 vimes says, "i seem to recall a hand-pump compressed air can for computer dusting a while back, but i can't seem to find it now"
[research]|17:41 olethros says, "quit"
[lounge]|17:41 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[lounge]|17:41 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[shopping]|17:42 vimes says, "oh, here it is, ReAir"
[lounge]|17:42 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|17:42 * Emily has disconnected.
[lounge]|17:44 Limax: The name says it all.
[comics]|17:44 DavidW says, "I think the most astonishing thing I've seen Kitty Pryde do is embed Thor halfway into the street. (She thought he was the Juggernaut; some other villain was casting illusions.)"
[jobs]|17:45 Limax says, "Business travel season is upon me again"
[jobs]|17:45 Limax says, "I leave on Sunday for two weeks in LA"
[lounge]|17:45 Roger is like a huge tapioca time bomb.
[lounge]|17:45 Limax says, "IRTA 'alpaca'"
[Canada]|17:45 Roger says, "Rounded up a bunch of pennies for a fundraiser"
[lounge]|17:45 Roger says, "I am ALSO like that."
[Canada]|17:46 Limax asks, "When does it get devalued?"
[comics]|17:46 baf says, "The whole DC multiverse concept originates in a story in which the silver age Flash met the golden age Flash. Since it was all told from the silver age Flash's point of view, he called the golden age Flash's world Earth-2."
[Canada]|17:46 Roger says, "Well, never, in theory."
[lounge]|17:46 Yuri goes home.
[Canada]|17:46 Roger says, "They've just stopped making them and will be pulling them out of circulation"
[Canada]|17:46 DavidW says, "mm, I have to roll up my pennies soon, I guess."
[Canada]|17:46 Limax says, "Ah they beomce rarer, it'll go up in value"
[Canada]|17:46 Roger says, "But they're remain legal tender indefinitely, as far as I understand it"
[Canada]|17:46 Limax says, "I learned that from collecting comics"
[Canada]|17:47 Roger says, "I need to borrow one of those auto-coin-sorter thingies for the rest"
[peanut-gallery]|17:47 Tale says, "And the price for weirdest name goes to..."
[lounge]|17:47 Burzmali arrives from the east.
[shopping]|17:48 vimes | We'll get a call from the postmaster, sometimes a bit flustered, because there's a box there with peeping chicks awaiting pick-up.
[lounge]|17:48 Burzmali says, "Hello"
[peanut-gallery]|17:48 Jon asks, "really?"
[peanut-gallery]|17:48 Jon says, "I'm sure we've had a lot weirder ones."
[peanut-gallery]|17:48 Jota says (to Jon), "You have to admit, '...' is pretty unusual for a name."
[peanut-gallery]|17:48 Roger says, "Today"
[peanut-gallery]|17:49 Jota says (to Roger), "Nah, 'Today' is almost normal."
[peanut-gallery]|17:49 Tale says (to jon), "That was before my time, then"
[lounge]|17:49 Tale says, "Hey Burzmali"
[lounge]|17:49 Limax says, "Hiya"
[peanut-gallery]|17:49 Jota says, "(Of course, personally, I find 'Ytsalwenc' weirder than 'Burzmali'.)"
[peanut-gallery]|17:49 Jon says, "I was specifically thinking of FartingBuffalo, except I'd forgotten exactly which stupid combination of words he used, so I had to look it up."
[peanut-gallery]|17:49 Limax asks (of Jon), "And what did you used to go by?"
[peanut-gallery]|17:50 Roger says, "Heh"
[peanut-gallery]|17:50 Roger says, "In contrast, Blindguy is outright normal."
[Canada]|17:50 DavidW says, "oh wow, Union Station in Toronto is flooded."
[lounge]|17:50 Burzmali says, "It's been a long time since I've I logged onto a MUD"
[peanut-gallery]|17:50 Jon says (to Limax), "Penguin"
[Canada]|17:50 Limax asks, "Rain or broken dam?"
[Canada]|17:50 Roger says, "Zombies"
[peanut-gallery]|17:50 Limax says, "Oh.  Never mind, then"
[Canada]|17:50 Jon says, "it's been under construction"
[lounge]|17:50 Firion enters the arena.
[lounge]|17:50 (From Firion) Provider One bids 300 quatloos for the newcomer.
[peanut-gallery]|17:51 Limax says, "And it was Skippy for while too, IIRC"
[Gathering]|17:51 Firion asks, "So how long do I have to register for the conference thing?"
[Canada]|17:51 DavidW | Flooding, which may have originated from a storm sewer, caused an evacuation and signal issues.
[peanut-gallery]|17:51 Jon says, "just Skip"
[greece]|17:51 olethros says, "more antimigrant attackcs"
[Canada]|17:51 DavidW says, " http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1204236--union-station-flooding-shuts-subway "
[greece]|17:51 olethros says, "this is really becoming like nazi germany"
[resume-writing]|17:51 Limax says, "So I see that Wal-Mart has some kind of data research center now"
[peanut-gallery]|17:51 (from Jon) Jon says, "which is much less silly"
[resume-writing]|17:52 Limax says, "I saw a billboard advertising jobs yesterday when I was leaving San Mateo heading back to Sunnyvale"
[resume-writing]|17:52 Jon says, "yeah, they have a giant billboard on my commute"
[resume-writing]|17:52 Jon says, "also I got an email from one of their recruiters"
[lounge]|17:52 Burzmali asks, "Anyone around familiar with old IF games circa 1991 on the Apple II?"
[resume-writing]|17:52 Jon says, "to which my response was 'ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha'"
[greece]|17:52 olethros says, "motorcycle gang entered shop beat guy up. Police arrested some."
[lounge]|17:52 Firion says, "Aside from Eamon, which is older than that, can't say I am."
[comics]|17:52 baf says, "In Whedon's take it's kind of weird: they make a big deal about how she's not a combat specialist like Cyclops or Wolverine, but then show that she can put solid objects through your head and can just let bullets pass through her."
[resume-writing]|17:52 Limax says, "I don't think I could ever work for Wal-Mart... I need to have some kind of morals or something"
[resume-writing]|17:52 Jon says, "yeah, exactly"
[lounge]|17:53 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|17:53 * Tale has disconnected.
[lounge]|17:53 zarf says, "I was kind of out of the Apple 2 world by then, but I might have heard of things"
[comics]|17:53 Limax asks, "Ariel?"
[comics]|17:53 Jon says, "Shadowcat"
[comics]|17:53 Limax says, "Oh yeah... that's her name these days"
[comics]|17:53 Limax says, "She was called Sprite and Ariel in the 80s"
[comics]|17:53 baf says, "They mostly just called her Kitty."
[comics]|17:53 DavidW says, "yeah, she hasn't been Ariel for a while."
[lounge]|17:53 Burzmali says, "I'm trying to ID a game that was part text, some graphics and involved fighting a T-Rex in an arena"
[comics]|17:54 Limax says, "I have the comic where she took the name Shadowcat"
[lounge]|17:54 Burzmali says, "I think it might have been a hypercard stack"
[comics]|17:54 DavidW says, "Or Pumpkin or Katka or Kitten or... I think every other character had a different nickname for her."
[comics]|17:54 Limax says, "I thought Logan called her Punkin"
[lounge]|17:55 Firion asks, "HyperCard was Mac, I thought?"
[comics]|17:55 DavidW says, "I also think that the 'Ariel' nickname was supposed to tie in with the Caliban character in the Morlocks, for a storyline I don't think they ever used."
[lounge]|17:56 Burzmali says, "Maybe, and early Mac game then"
[comics]|17:56 Limax says, "Nope... when she had the green uniform with the diamonds for a mask, her name was Ariel"
[comics]|17:57 Limax says, "Also in the Graphic Novel 'God Loves, Man Kills'"
[minicomp]|17:57 Firion asks, "What's the deadline for polishing our beta games up by?"
[comics]|17:57 DavidW says, "oh, I know she used Ariel for a while, but still, I think there was an untold story."
[comics]|17:57 baf asks, "'Nope'?"
[lounge]|17:57 Gunther says, "Cee Esbee"
[lounge]|17:57 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
[lounge]|17:57 Matthew says, "Okay, I'm off everyone.  If I survive my trip, I'll see you all in a week."
[comics]|17:57 Limax says, ".baf I misread, again"
[comics]|17:58 DavidW says, "I vaguely remember Prof X suggesting Ariel at her first training session and Kitty said 'yuck', and Storm suggested Sprite, and Kitty went with that, making a lame joke about nobody better pull her Tab."
[lounge]|17:59 Roger says, "Break a leg"
[comics]|17:59 Limax says, "Yup"
[lounge]|17:59 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[comics]|17:59 Limax says, "I think I have that issue too"
[comics]|17:59 DavidW says, "But later, she became Ariel without any explanation, as you say, in the green costume with diamonds."
[lounge]|18:00 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
[comics]|18:00 DavidW says, "Do you have the two issues with her own costume, with about six colors, some metallic, and on rollerskates? One of the gaudiest costumes ever."
[comics]|18:01 Limax says, "It was right after she fought that creature single handedly and proved she would be an x-man"
[lounge]|18:01 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Gunther"
[comics]|18:01 Limax says, "So, they had to get her out of the same uniform as the New mutants"
[comics]|18:01 Limax asks, "Those creatures that laid eggs inside mutants?"
[comics]|18:01 Limax says, "Oh wait... that wasn't it"
[comics]|18:02 Limax says, "It was soon after that... she took on some creature alone with Lockheed the Dragon at her side"
[comics]|18:02 DavidW says, "No, it was some shadow eldritch creature from an evil dimension, left over from a battle Storm had."
[comics]|18:02 Limax says, "Right"
[comics]|18:02 Limax says, "Got my stoylines mixed up... that was more than 25 years ago"
[lounge]|18:03 Limax walks slowly out of the room and into the sunset.
[comics]|18:03 DavidW says, "The fight where she had Lockheed vs. the composite manta ray thing was 'Professor X Is A JERK!'"
[comics]|18:04 DavidW says, "Which, as you say, was the one where she won the right to be in the X-Men, not the New Mutants."
[comics]|18:04 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|18:04 Limax enters the lounge while talking on his cell phone.  He doesn't look where he is going and runs into the trophy case.
[lounge]|18:04 Limax says, "Huh... firing up Ascension kicked me off of here"
[lounge]|18:05 zarf asks, "On the same device?"
[webtv]|18:05 Gunther | A fan just sent me the Ultima manga adaptations. Yes, those actually exist.
[comics]|18:05 DavidW says, "I'm not sure who came up with the codename 'Shadowcat' for her, but I think everyone was relieved that she finally had a nickname that felt right."
[webtv]|18:05 Gunther says, "ABATARU"
[lounge]|18:06 Limax says, "Yes"
[lounge]|18:06 Limax says, "But not this time"
[comics]|18:06 Limax says, "It's weird what the ipad does sometimes"
[comics]|18:06 Limax says, "LALA"
[lounge]|18:06 Limax says, "It's weird what the ipad does sometimes"
[comics]|18:06 Limax says, "Er... ILAL"
[lounge]|18:06 zarf says, "I know that when memory gets low, the OS starts killing backgrounded processes"
[comics]|18:07 DavidW says, "'Cause, you could tell the writers weren't happy with 'Sprite' or 'Ariel', since all the other characters almost never called her by those codenames."
[comics]|18:07 Limax says, "I try to keep the number of background apps low"
[comics]|18:07 Limax says, "ILAL dammit"
[lounge]|18:07 Limax says, "I try to keep the number of background apps low"
[videogames]|18:07 Gunther | Lego Citizen Kane
[videogames]|18:07 Gunther | Spoilers: “Rosebud” is a brick.
[comics]|18:08 Jearl says, "writer"
[comics]|18:08 Jearl says, "back then the M-Men was Chris Claremont's personal playground"
[comics]|18:08 Jearl says, "haha X-Men"
[comics]|18:08 DavidW says, "I'd read the MMMM-Men."
[comics]|18:08 Jearl says, "If John Byrne ever gave a shit about Kitty Pryde he kept it to himself pretty well"
[comics]|18:09 DavidW says, "I think Byrne got pissed when they gave Kitty a genius IQ."
[comics]|18:09 Jearl says, "thinking back on early Kitty Pryde stories is pretty brain-hurting"
[comics]|18:09 Gunther says, "The m(-Men"
[comics]|18:10 Jearl says, "given that she was 13 and should not have been on the same planet as any of the shenanigans"
[comics]|18:10 DavidW says, "13 and a half"
[comics]|18:10 Jearl says, "then they all got kidnapped into space, which okay is a great rationale for keeping your tiny kid sister in the battle scenes"
[comics]|18:10 DavidW says, "The 'and a half' made her cuter."
[comics]|18:10 Jearl says, "they gat back to earth and she demands to stick around rather than going to college with her awesome pet dragon"
[comics]|18:11 Jearl says, "bluh, the and a half has always made me want to vomit, in every circumstance when it is ever used."
[comics]|18:11 Limax says (to DavidW), "Just like accelerating Illyana's age"
[comics]|18:11 DavidW says, "I think she celebrated her 14th birthday twice. Once out in outer space and again two years later on Earth."
[comics]|18:11 baf says, "Well, Whedon is pretty much in love with her."
[comics]|18:11 Jearl says, "sure"
[comics]|18:12 Jearl says, "managing to out-Mary Sue Chris Claremont is a fairly spectacular achievement"
[comics]|18:12 DavidW says, "So where's Illyana now, btw? I heard she got de-aged but not what happened later."
[comics]|18:12 baf says, "I was just about to bring out the Mary Sue accusations myself."
[comics]|18:12 Jearl says, "she died. her demon master tried to reconstitute her"
[comics]|18:12 Jearl says, "he filed and cast out the resulting demon"
[comics]|18:13 Jearl says, "the demon got hold of Illyana's stolen soul parts and is now Illyana."
[comics]|18:13 Jearl says, "failed*"
[comics]|18:13 inky says, "nom nom"
[comics]|18:14 Limax says, "I thought maybe they accelerated Illyana's age because they couldn't stand to draw a female character without breasts"
[comics]|18:14 DavidW asks, "so is she the Demonchylde again? Or however they spelt that?"
[comics]|18:14 Jearl says, "she's Illyana 2.0"
[comics]|18:14 Jearl says, "has a soul, is still creepy, has destroyed the elder gods that were pulling her strings all this time"
[comics]|18:15 Jearl says, "so will probably not turn evil again till the X-books need someone to turn evil"
[comics]|18:15 DavidW says, "poor thing"
[comics]|18:15 Jearl says, "but it looks like they are sticking with Phoenix as the big evil for now"
[names]|18:15 Gunther asks, "ok, what is wrong with this picture?"
[names]|18:15 Gunther | Professional Chinese Gold Farmer tells all - Exclusive Interview with Jared Psigoda
[comics]|18:15 Limax says, "I saw that they reprinted the Phoenix saga in one volume"
[comics]|18:15 Jearl says, "and/or Cypher will randomly turn evil but who cares, they are treating the New Mutants like an appendix"
[comics]|18:16 Limax says, "Cypher's back too?  I remember when they killed him the first time"
[comics]|18:16 Jearl says, "dude I explained all this"
[comics]|18:16 Jearl says, "yes"
[comics]|18:16 Jearl says, "it was actually a pretty cool way to do it"
[comics]|18:16 Jearl says, "the X-books had a mass rez by Selene"
[comics]|18:17 Jearl says, "most of them went back in the ground after she was defeated"
[sf-bay-area]|18:17 Jon | http://thebolditalic.com/drewhoolhorst/stories/1958-moving-to-san-francisco
[comics]|18:18 Jearl says, "but Cypher stuck around because Warlock basically had a copy of his mind saved"
[comics]|18:18 DavidW says, "I never liked Selene much. She's like all-powerful and eternal and evil and somehow nobody heard of her until someone accidentally tripped over her shrine in bugfuck, Amazon jungle."
[comics]|18:18 Jearl says, "heh, yeah"
[comics]|18:18 Jearl says, "she was having fun playing fake-Rome"
[comics]|18:18 Jearl says, "there are like three levels of retcon on that"
[drwho]|18:19 Limax says, "I'm about ready to start watching Tennant's last season"
[comics]|18:19 DavidW says, "I did like Nova Roma, the first version."
[drwho]|18:19 Limax says, "So, I'm getting caught up"
[sf-bay-area]|18:20 inky says, "hmm"
[comics]|18:20 Jearl says, "I don't know if it's still a thing"
[food]|18:21 DorianX says, "I am not in favor of bloomberg's Giant Soda Ban"
[comics]|18:21 Jearl says, "Fabian Niceiza or someone retconned it so that the whole thing had been a mindgame by Selene on kidnapped tourists"
[comics]|18:21 DavidW says, "For all I know, Nova Roma could be in the Savage Lands in Antarctica now."
[comics]|18:21 Jearl says, "retcons shouldn't make things simpler. Simpler is boring"
[food]|18:21 DorianX says, "but I would totally be in favor of the FDA declaring beverages to which sugar has been added to be not-food."
[lounge]|18:22 Lucea is gonna get back baby bad balls to you, love, cretin.
[lounge]|18:22 * Lucea has disconnected.
[comics]|18:22 Jearl says, "so I don't know if the kidnapped tourists got their lives back together or decided to keep playing fake romans in the amazon or what"
[comics]|18:22 inky asks, "that she hadn't really established fake rome in the jungle, she just mind-controlled a bunch of tourists into thinking she did?"
[comics]|18:22 inky says, "because if so, shit, lady, you were 90% of the way there already"
[comics]|18:23 Jearl says, "the latter, yeah"
[comics]|18:23 Jearl says, "but there was an actual city"
[lounge]|18:23 Grocible goes home.
[lounge]|18:23 * Grocible has disconnected.
[comics]|18:23 Jearl says, "just hadn't been there for 2,000 years like they all thought"
[comics]|18:23 inky says, "ah, ok"
[comics]|18:24 inky says, "that's kind of like an old end-of-issue comic-code-approved retcon"
[comics]|18:24 DavidW says, "oh, so Really New Rome, now with retsincon."
[comics]|18:24 inky says, "don't be silly, lois, there's no such thing as immortality -- I just hypnotized all the tourists into thinking the city had been around for 2000 years to teach you a lesson"
[comics]|18:24 Jearl says, "haha yes"
[comics]|18:24 Limax says, "Hm"
[lounge]|18:25 Burzmali goes home.
[comics]|18:25 DavidW asks, "Did they have the White Queen read Selene's mind so they could do '... so true ...'?"
[comics]|18:26 Limax says, "I forgot that the white queen was telepathic"
[comics]|18:26 DavidW says, "There's a Comics, Everybody about Xon that does the telepathic way of doing a retcon."
[gayrights]|18:27 olethros | Why do adult gay men need comic superheroes as role models
[comics]|18:27 inky asks, "what is that?"
[comics]|18:28 baf says, "Dude. Whoa. You have not read the same X-Men comics I have."
[gayrights]|18:28 DorianX says, "Yeah, us heterosexuals only use them as part of our breeding process"
[comics]|18:28 DavidW says, "sorry Xorn"
[comics]|18:28 baf says, "For me, that would be like forgetting that Superman can fly."
[gayrights]|18:28 DorianX says, "Superman's X-ray vision burns tiny holes inour condoms"
[comics]|18:28 DavidW says, " http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/01/xorn-history-comic-lbfa/ panel 6"
[comics]|18:29 baf says, "(Although I might forget from time to time that's she's gone by the name 'White Queen'.)"
[comics]|18:30 inky says (to DavidW), "awesome"
[comics]|18:30 DavidW asks, "What does she go as now, Diamond Tart?"
[comics]|18:30 Jearl says, "Emma"
[comics]|18:31 Jearl says, "Miss Frost if you're nasty"
[comics]|18:31 inky says, "oh her"
[comics]|18:31 inky says, "I forgot she could read minds"
[comics]|18:31 inky says, "but I guess I knew she could create mental illusions or something"
[lounge]|18:32 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 4245 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Friday,  1 Jun 2012, 06:32:03 PM EDT
There is one new message on #misc/fonts.
There is one new message on #misc/politics/WWIII.
Rob says, "mung"
Limax says, "Off"
Limax walks slowly out of the room and into the sunset.
</Limax> When someone tells you to "have a nice day," tell them you have other plans.
[comics] DavidW says, "well, they needed someone who could last a round or two vs. Dark Phoenix as Black Queen."
[comics] Rob says, "I don't get why she gets two powers, the diamond thing and the telepathy thing"
[comics] Rob says, "hm recap goes back a ways"
[comics] Jearl says, "Grant Morrison wanted Colossus but he was unavailable"
[comics] Jearl says, "that is why"
[comics] DavidW says, "Well, mutants can have a second latent power that doesn't always manifest."
Recapping 37 of 37 lines from misc/places/Canada:
[Canada]/001 Roger | Toronto salutes Queen Elizabeth with dogs, lutes and tea
[Canada]/002 Matthew asks, "Wait, what?"
[Canada]/003 vimes says, "ahh, the heartwarming wooftwangsplash"
[Canada]/004 Tale asks, "Is she still your boss?"
[Canada]/005 Roger says, "Yep"
[Canada]/006 Tale asks, "is that likely to change?"
[Canada]/007 Roger says, "Not until she dies"
[Canada]/008 Matthew says (to Roger), "Yeah, but she's such a nepotist her SON will probably take over or something."
[Canada]/009 Matthew exclaims, "Walk around, acting like he's king, maybe even change his name...  I know how these things work!"
[Canada]/010 ghira asks, "change his name?"
[Canada]/011 josh_g says, "the Queen is still 'our boss' in the most ceremonial, completely irrelevant to actual political activity way possible"
[Canada]/012 Tale says, "like our president"
[Canada]/013 Tale says, "I'm just surprised that you stiil haven't gotten rid of her"
[Canada]/014 Roger says, "My speculative guess is that it's become a bit of a ragdoll between Quebec (who don't like her) and everyone else (who wants to stick it to Quebec)"
[Canada]/015 Roger says, "Also guys like the RCMP don't want to be busted down to just the CMP"
[Canada]/016 josh_g says, "no, not like the president"
[Canada]/017 josh_g says, "like someone who has nothing to do with our actions at all"
[Canada]/018 josh_g says, "other than looking good on coins"
[Canada]/019 josh_g says, "which is exactly why the "getting rid of her" thing would be a pointless waste of time"
[Canada]/020 Roger says, "/arguably/ our governor general had some impact on our response to Haiti."
[Canada]/021 Tale says, "East and weast doesn't do anything ... I tried just dropping the cookie to lure the mouse out..."
[Canada]/022 Tale says, "Crap. Ignore that."
[Canada]/023 Roger says, "Rounded up a bunch of pennies for a fundraiser"
[Canada]/024 Limax asks, "When does it get devalued?"
[Canada]/025 Roger says, "Well, never, in theory."
[Canada]/026 Roger says, "They've just stopped making them and will be pulling them out of circulation"
[Canada]/027 DavidW says, "mm, I have to roll up my pennies soon, I guess."
[Canada]/028 Limax says, "Ah they beomce rarer, it'll go up in value"
[Canada]/029 Roger says, "But they're remain legal tender indefinitely, as far as I understand it"
[Canada]/030 Limax says, "I learned that from collecting comics"
[Canada]/031 Roger says, "I need to borrow one of those auto-coin-sorter thingies for the rest"
[Canada]/032 DavidW says, "oh wow, Union Station in Toronto is flooded."
[Canada]/033 Limax asks, "Rain or broken dam?"
[Canada]/034 Roger says, "Zombies"
[Canada]/035 Jon says, "it's been under construction"
[Canada]/036 DavidW | Flooding, which may have originated from a storm sewer, caused an evacuation and signal issues.
[Canada]/037 DavidW says, " http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1204236--union-station-flooding-shuts-subway "
Recapped 37 of 37 lines from misc/places/Canada.
[comics] DavidW says, "so, it's like an upgrade mutation."
[comics] Jearl says, "but I can't think of another mutant with a secondary mutation"
[comics] DavidW asks, "I think that's how the Beast when all furry and blue, no?"
[comics] inky asks, "does he have another mutation?"
[comics] Jearl says, "well, that may still just be the magic Roxxon juice"
[comics] inky asks, "is 'being really smart' a mutation?"
[comics] Jearl says, "no, he's just really smart."
[comics] DavidW says, "He wasn't furry but had oversized arms and legs and muscles."
[comics] baf says, "(One of my clearest memories of Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men is of Emma, shortly after switching sides and moving into the mansion, sitting in Cerebro and saying 'You would not BELIEVE what some mutants are getting up to in the privacy of their own bedrooms right now')"
[comics] Jearl says, "there was a weird dealio where Sage might have jumpstarted the Beast's cat morph"
[comics] Jearl says, "and the exposition was that that's *her* secondary mutation"
[comics] Jearl says, "but Sage, man, who knows."
[comics] baf says, "(It was just one of those character-establishing moments. She's not evil any more, but she's still naughty. And telepathic.)"
[comics] Rob says, "grr, 'syke'"
[comics] Jearl says, "now the Beast's secondary mutation is looking completely different in any two books he's in"
[comics] Jearl says, "which is hardly his fault but maybe someone should put a postit on the wall with the right number of toes or something"
[comics] DavidW asks, "I think there's a few mutants with secondary mutations, but I'm not sure who since I haven't been reading the books. Perhaps Toad?"
[comics] baf exclaims, "Primary mutation: uselessness. Secondary mutation: tongue-fu!"
olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
</olethros> Please stop quaking and remain calm.
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[comics] Rob says, "beast is an exceptionally acrobatic guy, the blue fur came later"
[comics] DavidW says, "and, uh, Lorna Deen, Magnetrix Girl -- I forget her real name -- originally she only had green hair until her magnetic powers were kickstarted."
[photoshop] Jota says, " http://www.amusingplanet.com/2011/02/back-to-future-by-irina-werning.html "
[comics] inky says, "if we reach $50,000 in donations, I will have super-strength. At the $100,000 level I will also be able to fly"
[photoshop] Jota says, "Photos of people as kids, recreated as adults."
[housing] GDorn says, "mortgage broker is trying to sell us on a second mortgage to avoid paying PMI"
[photoshop] Rob says, "I'm sure that will make sense once I look at the pictures"
[comics] DavidW says, "I guess Ms Marvel wasn't a mutant originally until she was experimented on and became Binary, then later the Binary powers semi-faded and she became Warbird."
[housing] GDorn says, "my understanding is that PMI goes away somehow when you get to 20% equity"
[photoshop] inky says, "excellent"
[comics] Jearl says, "Caron Danvers is human"
[photoshop] inky asks, "not actually #photoshop though, right?"
[comics] Jearl says, "er, Carol."
[photoshop] Rob says, "yeah I guess not"
[comics] DavidW asks, "Wasn't Carol half-Kree?"
[photoshop] Rob says, "but good enough"
[comics] Jearl says, "She got experimented on by the Kree and got Ms. Marvel powers"
[housing] inky says, "you have to do a thing with the mortgage company and they may or may not allow it"
[comics] DavidW says, "oh"
[comics] Jearl says, "then she got experimented on more by the Brood and got Binary powers"
[photoshop] Rob says, "heh you can sense how she directs them painstakingly into the same expressions on their faces"
[housing] inky says, "but yeah"
[photoshop] Jota says, "Er, whoops, sorry. Meant #photos."
[comics] DavidW says, "yeah, I guess it's not the same."
[comics] Jearl says, "oh wait first she got depowered by Rogue"
[comics] Jearl says, "then the Binary thing"
[photo] Jota says, "What I accidentally said on #photoshop"
[housing] GDorn asks, "how do they no allow it?  are there rules, or can they just choose to be dicks?"
[comics] Jearl says, "I don't know how she went back to Ms. Marvel powers"
[comics] DavidW says, "Neither do I."
[photo] Rob says, "hm didn't quite get the same wide-stripe shirt on one of the women"
[housing] inky says, "I dunno"
[photo] Rob says, "my how the plant in the background has bloomed though"
[comics] baf says, "This is starting to sound like the origin story of Jack Hawksmoor"
[housing] inky says, "ask your agent"
[photo] Rob says, "wait, there is photoshopping"
[facebook] inky says (to Rob), "hrm, apparently I can't pick up this game with you even if I switch accounts in my app"
[facebook] inky says, "I'm not sure why"
[photo] Rob says, "to get the same color range and textures"
[housing] GDorn asks, "which agent?"
[photo] Jota says (to Rob), "Oh, yeah. I didn't realize at first that it was probably the same plant."
[facebook] Rob says, "barr"
[facebook] Rob says, "probably because I'm on the ipad version? I dunno"
[photo] Jota says, "I think my favorite is the four colorized miniatures."
[facebook] inky says, "I'm not sure"
[facebook] Rob says, "I picked your name out of my app-to-facebook lineup"
[facebook] inky says, "yeah"
[facebook] inky says, "I may have screwed it up myself because I've been playing not hooked up to facebook"
[facebook] inky says, "but then I logged out of that account and logged in to the hooked up to facebook one"
[comics] DavidW says, "hm. I still think there's someone prior to Emma Frost having a secondary mutation, but darned if I can think who."
[facebook] inky says, "but the game isn't showing up there either"
[facebook] Jota asks, "Which game is that?"
[housing] inky says, "real estate"
[facebook] inky says, "still draw something"
[facebook] Jota says, "Huh. I thought ti wasn't supposed to matter if you were on FB or not."
[facebook] inky says (to Jota), "well, he started it with my facebook account"
[facebook] inky says, "(when I have been using a separate account)"
[facebook] Jota says, "Mmm."
[facebook] Jota asks, "Can you start one with him?"
[housing] GDorn | http://www.realtor.com/home-finance/insurance/cancel-private-mortgage-insurance.aspx
[photo] Rob says, "my mom's older sisters have looked identifiably the same since they were about 3 years old"
[housing] GDorn says, "in theory, at 78% they're required to drop it"
[facebook] inky says, "hmm good point"
[facebook] inky says (to Rob), "if you go to the settings tab, there's an account item"
[facebook] inky says, "which gives a screen with a username like 'omgpop8378787871'"
[photo] Rob says, "looking at old albums is a similar experience to this"
[photo] inky says, "my family hauled out the albums last night"
[facebook] Rob says, "oh ah hm"
[WWIII] Doug asks, "whoa, stuxnet was us?"
[photo] inky says, "we were looking at birthday cakes of years past"
[facebook] Rob asks, "that's your game playing account?"
[photo] Rob says, "ha ha"
[facebook] inky says, "we couldn't find the one that was dirt with gummi worms"
[photo] Rob says, "every birthday every year my mom insists we take pictures of the cake and the presents and people opening them, but they all look identical in aggregate"
[facebook] inky says, "but we did find the tent with eyes, the spiderweb, the robot, the zoo"
[facebook] inky says, "and the challenger shuttle (for a 1985 birthday!)"
[facebook] inky says, "oops, channel"
[facebook] Rob says, "you should post those to facebook"
[photo] inky says, "we couldn't find the one that was dirt with gummi worms"
[photo] inky says, "but we did find the tent with eyes, the spiderweb, the robot, the zoo"
[facebook] Jota says, "In at least the iPhone version, you can challenge him as jrw@jrwdigitalmedia.com too."
[photo] Rob says, "wow, just in time"
[photo] inky says, "and the challenger shuttle (for a 1985 birthday!)"
[photo] Rob says, "if that birthday had been a few months later"
[WWIII] Doug says, "I mean, not that surprising, but surprising to see it revealed"
[facebook] inky says (to Rob), "that account id is the internal one for draw something"
[facebook] Rob says, "ok let me haul out my ipad and see what the deal is"
[facebook] inky says, "if you go through facebook it creates an arbitrary id like that"
[facebook] inky says, "if you go outside facebook by email address like I did then you enter one -- mine is inkyz"
[facebook] inky says, "so I guess you could also try challenging that username"
[photo] inky says, "yeah"
[housing] GDorn says, "oh, I see.  it's 78% of the current value, not purchase value.  so we'd have to pay for another appraisal ($475) and hope the value of the house hasn't dropped."
[facebook] Rob says, "my problem is I want to draw with a thin pen line and the brushes go from thick to thickest to ridiculous"
[housing] Roger asks, "You'd be hoping the value's dropped like a rock, wouldn't you?"
[housing] GDorn says, "no"
[housing] Roger says, "Oh"
[facebook] Jota says, "On the iPhone, the thinnest one seems pretty thin."
[facebook] Rob opens app, sees a facebook message saying 'Sorry, something went wrong.'
[facebook] Jota says, "But I guess that is just because of how small the iPhone screen is."
[facebook] Rob says, "I first tried to sign up for this right when facebook was crashed for 2 hours the other day"
[housing] GDorn says, "if we owe $200k and the house is now worth $150k, we're at 133%, or negative equity"
[movie] DorianX says, "it's about time. They're making a movie of Les Miz"
[housing] Jota says, "Huh, 78%? I thought it was 80%."
Recapping 43 of 43 lines from web/facebook:
[facebook]/001 Gunther says, "well, I guess FB is good for one thing. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/police-facebook-helps-nab-14-suspects-in-connection-with-crown-heights-crime-spree/ "
[facebook]/002 inky says (to Jota), "sorry about that lohan drawing, by the way"
[facebook]/003 inky says, "I don't really have enough space to draw a complicated rebus"
[facebook]/004 borowski | The Facebook situation is so desperate that someone has to guide the world. Who better to ask than the Amazing Kreskin
[facebook]/005 borowski says, "CNET seems convinced that Facebook is on the way out since their IPO."
[facebook]/006 inky says (to Rob), "hrm, apparently I can't pick up this game with you even if I switch accounts in my app"
[facebook]/007 inky says, "I'm not sure why"
[facebook]/008 Rob says, "barr"
[facebook]/009 Rob says, "probably because I'm on the ipad version? I dunno"
[facebook]/010 inky says, "I'm not sure"
[facebook]/011 Rob says, "I picked your name out of my app-to-facebook lineup"
[facebook]/012 inky says, "yeah"
[facebook]/013 inky says, "I may have screwed it up myself because I've been playing not hooked up to facebook"
[facebook]/014 inky says, "but then I logged out of that account and logged in to the hooked up to facebook one"
[facebook]/015 inky says, "but the game isn't showing up there either"
[facebook]/016 Jota asks, "Which game is that?"
[facebook]/017 inky says, "still draw something"
[facebook]/018 Jota says, "Huh. I thought ti wasn't supposed to matter if you were on FB or not."
[facebook]/019 inky says (to Jota), "well, he started it with my facebook account"
[facebook]/020 inky says, "(when I have been using a separate account)"
[facebook]/021 Jota says, "Mmm."
[facebook]/022 Jota asks, "Can you start one with him?"
[facebook]/023 inky says, "hmm good point"
[facebook]/024 inky says (to Rob), "if you go to the settings tab, there's an account item"
[facebook]/025 inky says, "which gives a screen with a username like 'omgpop8378787871'"
[facebook]/026 Rob says, "oh ah hm"
[facebook]/027 Rob asks, "that's your game playing account?"
[facebook]/028 inky says, "we couldn't find the one that was dirt with gummi worms"
[facebook]/029 inky says, "but we did find the tent with eyes, the spiderweb, the robot, the zoo"
[facebook]/030 inky says, "and the challenger shuttle (for a 1985 birthday!)"
[facebook]/031 inky says, "oops, channel"
[facebook]/032 Rob says, "you should post those to facebook"
[facebook]/033 Jota says, "In at least the iPhone version, you can challenge him as jrw@jrwdigitalmedia.com too."
[facebook]/034 inky says (to Rob), "that account id is the internal one for draw something"
[facebook]/035 Rob says, "ok let me haul out my ipad and see what the deal is"
[facebook]/036 inky says, "if you go through facebook it creates an arbitrary id like that"
[facebook]/037 inky says, "if you go outside facebook by email address like I did then you enter one -- mine is inkyz"
[facebook]/038 inky says, "so I guess you could also try challenging that username"
[facebook]/039 Rob says, "my problem is I want to draw with a thin pen line and the brushes go from thick to thickest to ridiculous"
[facebook]/040 Jota says, "On the iPhone, the thinnest one seems pretty thin."
[facebook]/041 Rob opens app, sees a facebook message saying 'Sorry, something went wrong.'
[facebook]/042 Jota says, "But I guess that is just because of how small the iPhone screen is."
[facebook]/043 Rob says, "I first tried to sign up for this right when facebook was crashed for 2 hours the other day"
Recapped 43 of 43 lines from web/facebook.
[housing] inky says, "it looks like you can ask at 80% but they have to give it at 78% or something"
[housing] Jota says, "(At least, I bought my home with a 20% downpayment and no PMI.)"
[housing] Jota says (to inky), "Ah."
[housing] inky says, "or, rather, they have to initiate the cancellation at 78%"
[housing] inky says, "hmm"
[housing] GDorn says, "yeah.  it's just that the cost of appraisal is about 8 months of PMI payments..."
[facebook] Rob says, "whoops the game I had with jenrexrode is dominating the proceedings"
[housing] inky says, "which I think means you don't have to appraise it if you're willing to wait"
[facebook] inky says, "hee hee"
[facebook] inky says, "she is a fiend for this game"
[facebook] inky says, "she has not missed a single one of my drawings and believe me some of them have been pretty terrible"
[housing] GDorn says, "no, I'm pretty sure you always have to get an appraisal"
[facebook] Rob says, "oh people actually watch you draw it"
[facebook] Rob says, "I didn't know there was that kind of pressure"
[facebook] Rob says, "I thought you just saw the end result"
[facebook] Rob says (to inky), "wow"
[facebook] inky says, "Jota was saying earlier you can do crude animations"
[facebook] inky says, "using erase or overwriting"
[facebook] Rob says, "ok which of these weird icons lets me skip to the finished drwing"
[facebook] inky says, "hmm, I'm not sure any do"
[housing] GDorn | http://www.dollarversity.com/the-truth-about-private-mortgage-insurance-how-to-cancel-it/
[facebook] inky says, "but you can start guessing before it's done"
[facebook] Rob says, "yeah I bet people will get into doing that"
[housing] GDorn says, "okay, now I seriously distrust my broker"
[facebook] Rob says, "ok now to remember what you just told me about finding you guys"
[facebook] Rob says, "wait how do I get out of this game back to the main menu"
[housing] GDorn says, "it should automatically go away at 78% of original purchase price"
[facebook] Jota says (to inky), "For values of 'animation' meaning 'draw one thing, then erase it and draw another, and they'll see you draw one thing, then erase it and draw another'."
[facebook] Rob says, "I'm on rails stuck in this game"
[facebook] Jota says (to Rob), "You can find me because I am the guy who already sent you a drawing."
[facebook] Jota says, "(And yeah, you have to finish a round with someone in order to get back to the menu.)"
[facebook] inky says, "the app is surprisingly badly done for something so popular"
[facebook] Rob says, "I finished a round and -- oh, ok, I had to do both turns first"
[facebook] Rob says, "all right let's see"
[facebook] Rob says, "ok I see jota's drawing pending"
[facebook] Rob says, "so let me see about the inky situation"
[facebook] Rob says, "email inkyz what"
[facebook] inky asks, "can you challenge by username instead of by email?"
[facebook] Rob says, "yeah"
[facebook] Rob asks, "inkyz username?"
[facebook] inky says, "yeah"
[facebook] Rob says, "ok"
[facebook] Rob says, "also I haven't bought a fancier account so maybe you know all my words already"
[facebook] Rob says, "but maybe the point is to see me draw something"
[facebook] inky says, "totally"
[facebook] Jota asks, "Does the word list depend on whether or not you've paid?"
[facebook] Rob says, "hm the medium is harder to draw than the hard one"
[facebook] inky says, "well, upgrading claims to give you more words along with other things"
[facebook] Jota says (to inky), "Huh."
[facebook] inky says, "I don't know who gets the more words, though"
[facebook] inky says, "(you or your opponent)"
[facebook] Rob says, "drawing sent"
[facebook] inky says, "woo"
[facebook] Rob says, "also I was trying to decipher the 'tap to draw' drawing as a drawing I was supposed to guess"
[facebook] Rob says, "so the finger tapping an 'a' key with an arrow to a blank key was mysterious"
[facebook] Jota says, "Hey, I have a drawing waiting."
[facebook] Jota exclaims (at Rob), "Me to!"
[facebook] Jota says, "+o"
[facebook] Rob says, "instantly recognizable !"
[facebook] Jota says, "Oh, it is not a drawing by Rob."
[facebook] inky says, "hooray"
[facebook] inky says, "ok, I will play it in an hour after work"
[facebook] Rob says, "I'm on it"
[facebook] Rob says, "ok"
[facebook] Jota says, "Aw. Either my drawing was really crappy, or this person has never seen Mr. Peanut."
[facebook] inky says, "ha ha"
[facebook] inky says, "perhaps they are from a foreign country"
[facebook] Jota says, "That could be."
[facebook] inky says, "and were expected senor peanut or don peanut"
[facebook] Jota exclaims, "But the answer *was* 'peanut'!"
[facebook] inky says, "or Lord Peanutten"
[facebook] vimes says, "Peanut Royale"
[facebook] inky says, "hee hee"
[facebook] Rob says, "ha ha mr peanut"
[facebook] Rob says, "I should have done the hard drawing for jota but the medium was more fun"
[facebook] vimes says, "top hat, monocole, absurd grin"
[facebook] Rob says, "hm, come to think of it I could have animated it if I really tried"
[facebook] Rob says, "is there white paint? I sometimes need that"
[facebook] inky says, "one of the things about this game is you need to buy most of the colors"
[facebook] Rob says, "well ok that was invigorating"
[facebook] inky says, "that is what you use the coins for that you get from guessing"
[facebook] Jota says (to vimes), "Darn, I left out the grin. Totally my fault, then."
[facebook] Rob says, "ok well I need hundreds more I guess"
[facebook] inky says, "you have to play, I dunno, a hundred games to get five more colors, I expect"
[facebook] Rob says, "also I'm charging $10 a drawing, you can paypal that to jrw@jrwdigitalmedia.com"
[facebook] inky says, "(it's possible to start with white and I just don't remember)"
[facebook] Jota says (to Rob), "They have sneakily concealed the white paint by calling it 'eraser'."
[facebook] Rob says, "yeah or buy the thing"
[facebook] Rob says (to Jota), "oh, duh, right"
[facebook] inky says (to Jota), "oh, heh, right"
[facebook] Rob says, "ha ha"
[facebook] Rob says, "#quotebooks one man's duh is another man's heh"
[facebook] Jota says, "When/if you do get the coins, I think 'Mardi Gras' was the name of the color set that seemed to be about perfect."
[facebook] Jota says, "Since it has green, purple, orange, grey and tan."
[kitties] Allen says, "yay I have a cat sitter"
[facebook] inky says, "and boobs"
[kitties] inky asks, "is it your upstairs neighbor?"
[kitties] Allen says, "no, she's going to be going to the same place I am, in Austin"
[facebook] Jota says, "I think I've only used boobs once so far in this game."
[facebook] Jota says, "When drawing 'Amazon'."
[facebook] inky says, "ha ha"
[kitties] Allen says, "I found a coworker"
[facebook] inky says, "then you only used boob"
[kitties] Allen says, "well, not a close one, so I'm paying her"
[kitties] Roger says, "Good deal"
[kitties] inky asks, "is it the one who likes my little pony?"
[facebook] Rob says, "I would have deployed tan just now if it had been available"
[facebook] Jota says, "Sadly, I used two, since I wasn't sure of one circle-with-a-red-dot would be recognizable by itself."
[kitties] Allen says, "no. I wouldn't have to pay her"
[kitties] Rob says, "austin? wha"
[kitties] Allen says, "but she doesn't drive here. She takes the train"
[kitties] Allen says (to Rob), "Texas Toot time again"
[kitties] inky says, "I guess I don't know any of your other coworkers except the one who plays world of warcraft all the time"
[kitties] inky says, "though I guess he would be experienced dealing with pets"
[kitties] Allen says, "he doesn't play it all the time anymore"
[kitties] Roger says, "And the guy who pushes the beer cart around"
[kitties] Allen says, "in fact, he was talking rather bitterly about how dumbed down it is now"
[facebook] Rob says, "oh it tracks your guess speed huh"
[facebook] Rob says, "'top three colors'"
[facebook] Rob says, "what's that all about"
[facebook] Rob says, "my brother's birthday was yesterday so I gifted him this app"
[facebook] inky asks, "I guess the ones you use the most by volume or something?"
[facebook] Rob says, "I thought maybe his kids would enjoy it too possibly"
[facebook] Jota says, "I think they figured it'd be more interesting if you could see stats, but they couldn't think of any other stats to list."
[facebook] Rob says, "yeah it's kind of a meaningless but I guess vaguely fun stat"
[facebook] Rob says (to Jota), "that also occurred to me"
[facebook] Rob watches Admiral Jota guess the word TOAST.
[facebook] vimes says, "fiiiiiiiiine i'll play too i'm devesine"
[facebook] Rob says, "wait he got it way before it finished drawing"
[kitties] Allen says, "also, he's gotten serious about work. He just got his CISSP, and is looking for vmware certification now"
[facebook] Rob says, "dang I was enjoying watching myself draw"
[facebook] Jota asks (of Rob), "Ha ha. Should I guess slower next time?"
[facebook] Rob says, "I guess it was either a toaster or toast, and there were only 5 letters"
[facebook] Roger asks, "Okay I am feeling intrigued but also suspicious.  So what's the actual facebook name of this game/app (or a direct link)?"
[facebook] Rob says, "I'm proud of how well I drew a toaster though"
[kitties] Allen says, "I'm not sure why our company is paying him to do this, because once he has both of those, he'll be able to command a salary way over twice what he's getting now, at many companies"
[facebook] Rob says, "Draw Something"
[facebook] Jota exclaims, "It was a remarkably good toaster!"
[facebook] Rob says, "it's a facebook game and an app"
[facebook] Rob says, "hooray"
[facebook] Rob says, "I chose that word just to draw the toaster"
[facebook] Rob says, "it's one of those comics iconics"
[facebook] Rob says, "even if few people have such a toaster any more"
[facebook] Roger asks, "What do I seriously need a phone to play this at all?"
[facebook] Rob says, "hm, letter-entry-field covers bottom 1/6th of drawing"
[facebook] Rob says, "oh ha ha the word choices up for me now"
</jmac> jmac has disconnected from ifMUD.
[facebook] Rob says, "let me see if I can do the hard one, hmm"
[facebook] Jota says (to Roger), "I think you can play it with just facebook but no phone or with just a phone but no facebook."
[facebook] Jota says, "(I do the latter, but I think Rob's doing the former.)"
[facebook] Rob says, "hrm man maybe not"
Lucea had the olive complexion.
[facebook] Rob goes for the quick-turnaround
Lucea says, "re"
[facebook] Jota says, "OK, the person who failed to guess the peanut is writing out the answers. So I am going to blame her rather than me."
[facebook] Roger says, "I am officially old; I need to find some youngster to help me with this"
[facebook] Rob says, "I keep saving all my own drawings to some 'library' but I don't see a 'view my library' option"
[facebook] Jota asks (of Rob), "You can save your drawings?"
[facebook] Rob says, "yeah"
[facebook] Roger says, "Oh I think I figured it out"
[facebook] Rob says, "when I finish it has an icon for 'save this'"
[facebook] Rob says, "hm maybe it's going into my ipad photo library, like drawing apps do"
[facebook] Rob says, "I was hoping it saved the whole animated drawing process though"
[facebook] Rob says, "ah yeah that's what it's doing"
Rob says, "hi lucea"
Rob says, "sporting her olive complexion fetchingly as usual"
zarf says, "I guess I should do laundry tonight"
(From zarf) zarf says, "My pants just told me so"
[facebook] baf says, "They added the save feature shortly after I stopped playing."
Rob says, "ah yeah that"
Doug says, "I got spaghetti sauce on my BackboneConf t-shirt :("
[facebook] Rob says, "'I've drawn enough!' cried baf, storming out"
Lucea says, "heh"
Rob says, "it's flair"
[facebook] Rob says, "dang jota guesses fast"
[facebook] Rob asks, "does he even see my finished drawings ??"
[facebook] vimes says, "this random person i'm playing with saw me draw one blue line and guessed 'dolphin' right away"
[TV] Doug says, "just started downloading the first three episodes of Game of Thrones from Amazon Instant.  Wish it were more instant..."
[facebook] Rob says, "although I'm kind of happy I drew the first bit well enough for him to be all over it"
[facebook] Jota says (to Rob), "I think the playback speeds up the guesser."
[facebook] Rob says, "oh ok"
[facebook] Jota says, "I actually intentionally waited to place the N until it had finished, even."
[facebook] Rob says, "I did see the pause"
[TV] Rob says, "I haven't gotten into that"
[TV] Doug says, "$4 per episode still seems like a lot to me, but what do I know"
[TV] Rob says, "even Adam Cadre said he likes it, but still nothin'"
[TV] Doug asks (of Rob), "into the show, or into Amazon Instant?"
[TV] Rob says, "into the show"
[TV] Doug says, "heh, I read that as Adam Sandler"
[TV] Doug says, "'I got a Game of Thrones on my head and I'm crazy!  Gimme some candy!'"
[facebook] vimes says, "also drawing a bowling ball and writing "NOT BATMAN" below it was not really helpful to me"
[facebook] vimes says, "turns out it was "CATWOMAN""
[facebook] Rob smiles as he gets Jota's drawing
[TV] Doug says, "I guess I was spoiled by having hot and cold running HBO for a few years, but that was pretty expensive too"
[TV] Doug says, "and I don't want to watch as much as I used to watch then, so it wouldn't be worth it"
[facebook] Jota asks, ",,vimes Wha?"
[facebook] Jota asks (of vimes), "Is this back on the boobs bit?"
[facebook] Jota says (to vimes), "Because I am pretty sure that if she has any bowling balls, it is probably two."
[facebook] baf says, "On iOS, at least, guessing correctly makes it skip the rest of the stroking in and go directly to the finished picture."
[facebook] Rob sends a completely mad drawing to Jota that he's pretty sure he'll guess anyway
[facebook] Rob says, "but drawing this made me happy"
[facebook] Jota asks, "Because you know that I am also completely mad?"
[lucence] Lucea says, "at some point I should look into lodging for Boston. although I imagine non-PAX makes this exponentially easier"
[facebook] Rob says, "I think you're canny enough to get it by the end of it, if not sooner"
[facebook] Jota says (to Rob), "WRT guessing speed, I saw you finish guessing before I'd finished drawing the box."
[facebook] Rob says, "I foisted a lot of information into it"
[facebook] Rob says, "aha"
[facebook] Rob says, "I didn't guess until you drew the spoon"
[facebook] Jota says, "Ha ha, yay"
[facebook] Jota says, "That was a lot of information."
[facebook] Rob says, "when you enter the correct guess it does finish the picture, but it also does a lot of animations and then zips you to the next thing"
[facebook] Rob says, "I was stymied by not having green as a color option but I made do"
[facebook] Jota says, "This seems like a good time to re-mention http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/draw-something/thumb/a/aa/Eggplant.jpg/228px-Eggplant.jpg "
[facebook] Rob says, "ok I was skeptical at first but playing this makes me happier"
[facebook] Rob says, "oops I forgot to save that last drawing ! argh I don't think I can go back and save it"
[facebook] Rob says, "it must remain a memory I guess"
[facebook] baf says, "I actually got Eggplant without a purple in my palette once."
[facebook] baf says, "I just drew a blue eggplant and it proved perfectly guessable."
[facebook] Rob says (to baf), "excellent"
[Robstuff] Rob says, "the word was: ireland. I drew a globe, with an arrow, then a leprechaun with a red beard and a shamrock hat, then a pot of gold, then a rainbow, with an arrow pointing back to the pot of gold"
(Current channel set to #web/facebook)
[facebook] Jota says, "Yay, vimes got my highly contrived silly one."
[facebook] Rob says, "mrm jota's drawing underneath the word-entry bubble again"
[facebook] Jota says, "Oops."
[facebook] Jota says, "On the iPhone, you can scroll a bit by dragging the screen."
[facebook] Rob says, "hm ok yeah here too"
<Limax> On average, every human has one breast and one testicle.
[facebook] Rob says, "hmmmmmmmmm"
Limax flies into the lounge in a spaceship, which explodes.
<nothings> It is official. Very stupid robots think about socks.
nothings enters, the words MUD LIFE freshly tattooed across his chest.
[facebook] Jota says, "This is weird. I keep telling myself, 'when you draw this one, look to see if there's a "save" button'."
[facebook] Jota says, "And I remember this while watching the other person guess, while guessing their word, and while choosing a word."
[facebook] Limax says, "All mine look like stick figures.  They're not worth saving"
[facebook] Jota says, "And then the instant the draw screen comes up, I instantly and completely forget it."
[facebook] Jota asks (of Limax), "Are you called 'limax' in the game?"
[facebook] Jota asks (of Limax), "Or did I challenge a complete stranger by accident?"
[facebook] Limax says, "limax7 (If we're talking about DrawSomething)"
[facebook] Jota exclaims, "Ah, that'd explain why you never responded!"
[facebook] Limax says, "Yup... and I only play on my iPhone, not on facebook"
[facebook] Limax says, "I don't do facebook games"
[facebook] Jota says, "Likewise."
[facebook] Rob says, "aw no fair, it was a 2-word-er, I didn't know they did that"
[facebook] Limax says, "Yeah.  It's annoying"
[WWIII] Doug | [The rule] in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent. Counterterrorism officials insist this approach is one of simple logic: people in an area of known terrorist activity, or found with a top Qaeda operative, are probably up to no good.
[facebook] Limax says, "Seems to me that more and more people are stealing the username I've had for 20 years... so I'm beginning to be limax7 in more places"
[facebook] Rob says, "I got it, at the expense of my guessing-time stats"
[facebook] Jota says (to Rob), "It was also not the best drawing of the thing in question, I must admit."
[facebook] Rob says, "in retrospect I could've gotten it sooner"
[facebook] Rob says, "also I blew up some bombs"
[facebook] Jota says, "I wouldn't worry about guessing time stats."
[facebook] Rob says (to Jota), "actually it wasn't so bad, you kinda got the shape of the guy and his emotional attitude"
[facebook] Jota says, "Since that's based at least as much on how fast the other person draws."
[WWIII] Allen says, "many people have made the comparison to Trayvon Martin: military age, probably up to no good"
[facebook] Rob says, "also the way you started (and started over) with the blobs of trees made me stop and think"
[facebook] Rob says, "'these must be important!'"
[facebook] Jota says, "I've often sat there befuddled while someone draws an intricate detailed picture where they only fill in the thing that the word actually *is* at the very end."
[facebook] Rob says, "I'm only fake-worried about that"
[facebook] Rob says, "yeah I'm that guy"
[facebook] Rob says, "I remember a game of pictionary I played in my college freshman dorm"
[facebook] Jota says, "Which is cool, but it means I can pretty much ignore the guessing time stat as meaningless."
[facebook] Rob says, "and the clue was 'ronald reagan' and I tried to draw a fast version caricature of him, and the other guy won with a stick figure and a flag"
[facebook] Roger exclaims, "So many cheaters!"
[facebook] Jota concludes that Rob must have been in college in the 80's.
[facebook] Rob says, "this was 1988, so people were kind of on top of that"
[facebook] Rob says, "timing"
[facebook] Limax asks (of Roger), "How so?"
[facebook] Rob says, "but my teammates berated me severely"
[facebook] Jota says (to Rob), "Fortunately, that's not a problem here."
[facebook] Rob says, "heh"
[facebook] Rob says, "I dunno I think the same effect might still latently apply"
[facebook] Jota says, "Unless someone actually cares about guessing time stats, in which case, oh well. That's their problem."
[facebook] Rob says, "but I'm not actually caused any emotional harm in the process"
[WWIII] Doug | All perfectly legal under the Fifth Amendment, of course, which provides that no person shall be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, unless he is probably up to no good."
[facebook] Limax says, "Some of vaporware's drawings are extremely detailed... I don't do that"
[WWIII] Doug asks, "hm, that quote seems out of context.  Isn't that clause just referring to 'in any criminal case'?"
[WWIII] Allen says, "there's a process"
[WWIII] Allen says, "they do a process, so due process"
[WWIII] Rob says, "that's colbert's joke"
[WWIII] Rob says, "colbert oftentimes calls attention to serious things, but I wonder whether his call to attention does any good ever"
[facebook] Limax says (to Jota), "You found me"
[WWIII] Rob says, "I was just reading glenn greenberg's scathing account(s) about the nytimes article about Obama's kill lists this morning and it didn't exactly put me in a good mood"
[facebook] Rob says (to Limax), "well where are you on my game list"
[facebook] Limax says (to Rob), "I'm not..."
[facebook] Rob says, "also I think Jota might actually be doing some friday afternoon work or heading home or something right now"
[facebook] Rob says, "well hook up man"
[facebook] Limax asks, "Okay... what's your username?"
[facebook] Rob says, "either robmumble or jrw@jrwdigitalmedia.com I think"
[facebook] Rob says, "I'm on a draw something jag right now"
[WWIII] Doug asks, "what ever happened after that time he testified in Congress for the migrant workers thing?"
[facebook] Limax says, "Okay"
[WWIII] Rob says, "testified in character to congress, heh"
[facebook] Jota says, "Ah, Rob draws below the letters too."
[WWIII] Rob says, "colbert has a lot of college age kid audience"
[WWIII] Rob says, "he might be beneficially influencing a percentage of them"
[facebook] Rob says, "dang, hypocracy"
[facebook] Rob says, "crisy"
[WWIII] Doug says, "anyway, there's this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_The_Colbert_Report "
[WWIII] Doug says, "not sure if any of that counts as doing any good ever."
[WWIII] Rob says, "yeah I dunno"
[facebook] Limax says, "I do too... my wife 'lost' on one of those because she couldn't see the arrow pointing to the tires on my car"
[WWIII] Doug says, "(I didn't mean that sarcastically.  I think probably it truly doesn't count)"
[WWIII] Rob says, "the real stephen colbert's stance as a moral catholic comes through in his satire pretty well, but I dunno what good it does"
[WWIII] Rob says, "I think it counts a little"
[facebook] Jota says, "I bet Rob will have a question after viewing my last one."
[facebook] Rob says, "a question and a grin I expect"
[facebook] Limax says, "I hope Rob knows I don't draw good"
[facebook] Jota says, "And the rot13'ed answer to that question is vg'fnghegyr."
it'saturtle
[facebook] Limax asks, "What's rot13 for '?"
[facebook] Jota says (to Limax), "The nice thing about Draw Something is that almost no one draws well on an iPhone."
[facebook] Jota says (to Limax), "'"
[facebook] inky says (to Limax), "`"
[facebook] Jota says (to inky), "Ha."
[facebook] Limax says (to Jota), "Makes me feel a bit better"
[facebook] Limax says, "Heh"
[facebook] Rob says, "how's work going inky"
[facebook] Jota says, "I try to compensate by putting work into coming up with clever things to draw that will be recognizable even if done poorly."
[facebook] Rob says, "wow limax's is puzzling"
[facebook] Limax cringes
[facebook] Jota says, "Although, that said, I am pretty impressed at myself for the picture I drew for vimes earlier. It is too bad that I cannot find a 'save' button on the iPhone."
[facebook] Rob says, "got it !"
[facebook] Rob says, "huh"
[facebook] Limax says (to Rob), "It's the kind my wife uses... it's what I see all the time"
[facebook] baf says, "The thing is, the text that you're talking about drawing below isn't visible while you're drawing."
[facebook] Rob says, "why would the ipad have a save button that the iphone doesn't"
[facebook] Jota says (to baf), "Yeah."
[facebook] Rob says, "yeah"
[facebook] Jota asks (of Rob), "Dunno. It is also just possible that I am not observant enough to spot it. Where does it appear?"
[lego] Limax says, "Oh wow... a Sopwith Camel"
[lego] Jota says, "That would be a hard one to draw."
[lego] Jota says, "On an iPhone. With your finger."
[lego] Limax says, "Agreed"
[facebook] Rob says, "after you're done, at the bottom of the screen there's a few options, and the one on the bottom right is a 'Save It' option"
[lego] Jota asks, "Is this after you've already pressed 'done'?"
[lego] Jota says, "Ilac."
[facebook] Jota asks, "Is this after you've already pressed 'done'?"
[facebook] Jota asks, "In the screen where you can tap on the bottom white bar to leave a comment?"
[facebook] Rob says, "yay"
[facebook] Rob says (to Jota), "I knew exactly what you were drawing, but I was confused about what word meant what you were drawing, until I realized I'd seen that word as a choice before"
[facebook] Jota exclaims, "Metagaming!"
[facebook] Jota says, "I was hoping the arrow would clarify."
[lego] Limax asks (of Rob), "Are you drawing on an iPad?"
[lego] Limax says, "ILAK"
[facebook] Rob says, "I guessed it before an arrow after I saw a something and an elephant and a giraffe"
[facebook] Limax says, "ILAK"
[facebook] Limax asks (of Rob), "Are you drawing on an iPad?"
[facebook] Rob says, "yeah"
[facebook] Limax says, "Bah"
[facebook] Rob says, "ok I'm going for the hard one"
[facebook] Jota says, "Before you saw the ghegyr, then."
[facebook] Limax says, "I should be doing homework... instead I'm MUDding, reading email and playing DrawSomething"
[facebook] Jota says (to Limax), "Really, you ought to quit reading email so that you can give more attention to MUDding and drawing."
[facebook] Limax says, "Ha ha"
[facebook] Limax says (to Jota), "If I did that, you wouldn't have found out about the Sopwith Camel"
[facebook] Rob says, "nice eiffel tower"
[facebook] Limax says, "Thanks"
[facebook] Limax asks, "Did you recognize the other building?"
[music] Allen says, "this is a very nice album, up to Le Poeme Harmonique's usual effort: http://www.amazon.com/Il-F%C3%A1solo/dp/B0048YBTOA/ "
[facebook] Rob says, "I guessed it just as the other building started"
[facebook] Limax says, "Ah"
[facebook] Rob says, "and it didn't show me the end result"
[facebook] Limax says, "It was my attempt at the Arc d'Triumph (or however it's spelled)"
[facebook] Rob says, "Triomphe I think... maybe"
[facebook] Rob says, "there was a moment where I wasn't sure if it was a woman with fishnet stockings before it became apparent"
[facebook] Allen says, "Arc d'insult comic dog"
[facebook] Limax says, "Dang... I didn't have the letters for DISCO"
[facebook] Rob says, "I wish this would let you review all previous drawings made and/or guessed"
[facebook] Rob says, "as a gallery"
[facebook] Jota says, "Me too."
[facebook] Jota says, "There are some cool ones I'd like to go back and save."
[facebook] Jota says, "Although I don't remember what they were now."
[music] Allen says, "huh:"
[music] Allen | Italian composer and organist. Until recently his music has been attributed to two or three different composers of the same name, but it is now known that there was only one composer.
[music] Jota says, "I am reminded of the supposed quote-from-real-student-homework that said that Shakespeare's plays may actually have been written by an entirely different person named Shakespeare."
[music] Limax asks, "Not Queen Elizabeth?"
[music] Rob says, "ha ha"
BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
</BrenBarn> I share all of this with you, Boris, to help you find your center.
[facebook] Rob hopes this is obvious enough to limax
[facebook] Limax says, "I dunno... I'm pretty thick"
[facebook] Rob says, "I actually wish I could see the real real-time guessing to see how fast Jota actually does get what's being drawn"
[facebook] Limax says, "It used to be... now It's unrealistic"
[facebook] Rob says, "ha ha"
[facebook] Jota says, "Remind me what the picture was, and I might remember."
[facebook] Rob guesses Jota's, wonders why the sad face on the stick figure guy
[facebook] Rob says, "pet food"
[facebook] inky says, "so a stick figure guy goes into the bar, and the bartender says, why the sad face"
[facebook] Limax says (to Rob), "Huh... the leftover letters from your guess spelled 'Robb'"
[facebook] Rob says, "it's a sign"
[facebook] Jota says, "While you were drawing the kibble in the dishes."
[facebook] Rob says, "excellent"
[facebook] Jota says (to Rob), "Oh yeah, you're from Texas."
[facebook] Jota says, "Remember, I am from New Hampshire."
[facebook] Limax says (to Rob), "Yeah... it was fairly easy"
[facebook] Rob says, "ha ha"
[music] Allen says (to Jota), "I've heard that"
[facebook] Jota says, "I had actually gotten the concept earlier, but kept wanting to find a way to type in 'kibble'."
[travel] Limax asks, "Do we have any MUDders in the LA Basin any more?"
[facebook] Rob totally changes what he planned to do into something that might be more feasible / guessable / drawable
[travel] Rob says, "hummmm"
[travel] Rob says, "I'm not sure any more actually"
[travel] Limax says, "I think there aren't any"
[facebook] Jota says (to Rob), "At first, before you drew the stem, that shape looked like pair of buttocks."
[travel] Limax says, "I know I won't have that problem when I go to Marlboro next"
[facebook] Jota says, "Which could have led to an entirely different way to clue that word."
[music] Allen says, "some of the alternative-shakespeare people are still around. I met one on a message board last year, and when I searched on his name, I found he apparently scoured the web for when anyone mentioned shakespeare's authorship, and wrote long screeds about how shakespeare was an ignorant farmer who couldn't spell his own name, and it was far more likely to be some noble guy that was well educated and whose plays had been praised in the 1580s, though no one apparently liked them enough to leave us a copy, so we have no actual writing samples to compare. And he died before the last of shakespeares plays, but supposedly that explains why shakespeare's last plays are so confusing"
[facebook] Limax says, "My wife & I got the same word in a row one time... so I just duplicated her drawing"
[facebook] inky says, "ha ha"
[music] inky says, "oh man"
[music] inky says, "shakespeare + weekend at bernie's"
[facebook] Jota says, "Oh yeah, that happened to me once."
[music] Allen says, "Edward de Vere. That's right, I was interested because of poems that Byrd set to music (one of which I transcribed) are attributed to him."
[music] Allen says, "though when I looked into it, apparently de Vere's authorship of the poem is now in question"
[facebook] Jota says, "After watching him guess my world map version of Japan, the other person immediately responded with a red circle on a white field."
Jota turns into a slimy toad!
</Jota> Thunder rumbles quietly overhead. Jota is gone.
[facebook] Limax says, "Hee hee"
inky says, "ok week done at last"
inky wanted bring similar excitement to Ukrainians by bringing the telepathic pig to the city's fan zone before matches.
inky has disconnected.
[facebook] Rob says, "oh good if I hang around another half hour inky'll send me back a drawing"
[exercise] Roger says, "Woo, session #30 tonight"
[exercise] Roger exclaims, "Of course, it's taken me five months instead of 10 weeks, but that's okay!"
Limax says, "Need to go pick up the boy"
Limax walks slowly out of the room and into the sunset.
</Limax> When someone tells you to "have a nice day," tell them you have other plans.
K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
K-Y says, "re"
[facebook] vaporware says, "Looks like I need to add Rob and inky."
[facebook] Rob says (to Jota), "you had me at kilt"
[facebook] Rob says, "yeah dude"
[exercise] Rob says, "what regimen are you numerically following"
Rob says, "re"
[exercise] Roger says, "Starting Strength (if that helps)"
two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
</two-star> I don't want you to pray to the duck. I want you to ASK THE DUCK YOUR QUESTION.
[exercise] Rob says, "...nooope"
[exercise] K-Y says, "somebody died and had to reroll his starting strength"
[windev] vaporware says, "I might have to skip VS2012 if they don't fix The Ugliness."
[windev] vaporware | I hate this ugly UI. it looks like the wall of jail.
[windev] vaporware | I spent a considerable amount of money for a COLOR display (card, monitors etc.), I'd like to benefit from it while coding not just while watching cats play the piano.
Roger has disconnected.
Roger has connected.
[exercise] Roger says, "It's 3-days/week, 2 workouts, A is squat / bench press / deadlift, B is squat / press / power clean"
[windev] vaporware | I've just installed the Beta, and I have to say the the bland Metro-esque black and white look is just appalling, as well as being hard to read. The Windows dialog which is shown when you open a project is a breath of fresh air.
[windev] vaporware | CAPS MAKES CODING EASY FOR HULK
[wildlife] * Jon has joined the channel.
[wildlife] Jon | http://www.flickr.com/photos/your_wht_knight/7081924285/
[videogames] vaporware says, "huh, you can set the split between Humble Bundle developers (and charities) now."
K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
K-Y has disconnected.
[gayrights] Allen says, "heh, straight woman who signed up for domestic partner benefits:"
[gayrights] Allen | It was about a year before Vanessa, a 29-year-old Chicagoan who works for a property management firm, first noticed the error: Her employer-sponsored health insurance plan had her boyfriend listed as a woman.
Firion goes home.
</Firion> It's a sad thing that your adventures have ended here!!
[gameofthrones] * Doug has joined the channel.
[gameofthrones] Doug says, "ok, just watched the first episode."
[gameofthrones] Doug says, "I had heard about all the nudity, but they changed the scene where Catelyn is nude when the Maester comes in"
[gameofthrones] Doug asks, "and did they leave out the Masters' chain necklaces??"
[gameofthrones] Doug says, "Maesters'"
[videogames] baf says, "That's been the case for a long time"
<Jota> Black lightning pierces your mind for an instant.
Jota arrives from the east.
Jota greets.
</katre> (OK, you can stop pretending you're a fence now.)
Roger goes home.
Roger has disconnected.
[facebook] Jota says (to Rob), "That sounds like a response to a pickup line."
[gameofthrones] Allen asks, "wait, what scene??"
<jmac> jmac has connected to ifMUD.
[gameofthrones] Doug says, "in the book, when Maester Luwin comes in to give Catelyn Stark the message from her sister (about Jon Arryn being murdered), she and Ned had just been fucking, and she walks around the room nude"
[gameofthrones] Doug says, "but in the show they were only lying in bed, fully clothed"
[gameofthrones] Doug says, "medieval pajamas or whatever"
[gameofthrones] Allen says, "do not remember, but that's not a detail I'd notice particularly"
inky is only half-heartedly swathed in mummy bindings, and no sinister fires burn in his eyesockets.
inky says, "re-me"
[gameofthrones] Doug says, "'Maester Luwin has delivered all my children,' Catelyn said. 'This is no time for false modesty.'"
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A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.

You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> “I’ve got a significant strawberry,’’ he said.
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Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.

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Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
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Recapping 359 of 2694 lines from recent channels:
[videogames]/09:18 Tale says, "Grrr, Max Payne 3."
[videogames]|09:18 Tale says, "Why safepoints in a fast paced action shooter."
[videogames]|09:22 Tale says, "It's soo much fun to play the same sequence over and over"
[breakfast]|09:27 DavidW says, "Ate the last of my 'Texas toast' this morning."
[breakfast]|09:27 DavidW says, "And now I'm starting my first pot of tea for the day."
[TV]|09:28 Allen says, "Ikea TV to be released soon!"
[TV]|09:28 Allen | "It's not interesting in a lot of ways, and interesting in a couple of ways," IHS iSuppli analyst Jordan Selburn said of Ikea's television. "Where it's not interesting is from a tech perspective. They're just taking a third-party TV and bolting it to a piece of furniture. But in another respect, that in itself is interesting: that Ikea feels that TV technology is mature enough that they can do this."
[TV]|09:29 Allen says, "now that TV technology has finally reached a point it can be attached to particle-board furniture..."
[TV]|09:30 DavidW says, "For a second or two, I thought 'Ikea TV' might mean a television channel about particle-board furniture."
[TV]|09:30 DavidW says, "And meatballs."
[TV]|09:31 DavidW says, "There's no Ikea in my current town, though. Closest is in Burlington, I think."
[TV]|09:31 Allen says, "you can see the wonders here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EYL1UPysTEg "
[TV]|09:35 Allen says, "actually, it's something I could see myself getting, if it's at ikea prices"
[TV]|09:35 Allen says, "except, it all looks so simple and integrated, and you know it'll involve 5 hours of putting it all together"
[TV]|09:35 DavidW says, "I'd think the obvious thing to do with a large flat TV is to simply hang it from the wall like any large framed poster or painting."
[TV]|09:35 Allen asks (of DavidW), "where do you run the wires?"
[TV]|09:36 Allen asks, "where do you put your xbox?"
[TV]|09:36 DavidW says, "I don't have an XBox, and for all I know, the wires would run down discretely inside the wall."
[TV]|09:37 DavidW says, "(discreetly? I get those two mixed up. Which do I want?)"
[TV]|09:38 DavidW says, "And I think I'd want a computer monitor in that size rather than a TV anyway."
[videogames]|09:39 Gunther says, "shit console port ahoy"
[TV]|09:39 DavidW says, "heh. Now I'm thinking of a remote-controled giant Kindle, the Kindle That's Tall As A Man."
[TV]|09:41 DavidW says, "The breakfast and Nook nook."
[TV]|09:43 djfletch says, "Maybe e-paper will get cheap enough that you can just use it everywhere as wallpaper."
[TV]|09:43 DavidW says, "I see one of their solutions is to surround the tv screen with a fireplace mantle. Clever."
[TV]|09:44 DavidW says (to djf), "well, try it in classrooms as blackboard substitutes first."
[TV]|09:45 Allen says, "I thought TV-in-fireplace was extremely common"
[TV]|09:45 ghira says, "the best thing in Ikea is the biscuits"
[TV]|09:45 Allen says, "in fact, my fireplace has a cable hookup"
[TV]|09:45 ghira says, "the two-layer oat biscuits with chocolate in the middle and around the edge"
[TV]|09:45 DavidW says (to Allen), "Maybe it is and I don't get out enough."
[TV]|09:46 Allen says, "eep, I was just thinking: biscuit, that sounds really good"
[TV]|09:46 Allen says, "with butter and bacon gravy. And there, you ruin it by clarifying what you mean"
[TV]|09:46 DavidW says, "The chocolate version sounds like Hobnobs, those biscuits from the UK."
[TV]|09:47 DavidW says, "Except one-layer."
[TV]|09:47 DavidW says (to Allen), "Your biscuits are good too, I'm sure."
[TV]|09:48 DavidW says, "Hold the bacon gravy on mine, though, please."
[TV]|09:48 ghira says, "the ikea biscuits are crunchier than hobnobs"
[videogames]|09:49 Tale says, "Well, graphics and story are fine, but this safe point thing made me ragequit."
[TV]|09:49 ghira says, "haven't tried the various lingberry products enough to have an opinion. and Dime / Daim bars? enh. ok, I guess."
[videogames]|09:49 Gunther says, "shit console port ahoy"
[TV]|09:49 ghira says, "er lingonberry"
[videogames]|09:51 Fang says, "haha http://www.quartertothree.com/fp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Step_into_my_clubhouse.jpg "
[youtube]|09:54 Lionheart says, "Some pluser posted this link saying "I guarantee you've never laughed this hard at a ventriloquist act before." They may be right, I found the last four and a half minutes quite funny. So here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFafj0ystrs "
[youtube]|09:58 Gunther says, "oh god"
[youtube]|09:58 Gunther says, "this was the most embarrassing guest ever at QI"
[youtube]|10:00 Gunther says, "yeah, that's even more cringeworthy"
[youtube]|10:04 * djfletch has joined the channel.
[lounge]|10:11 Biep likes "entering the lounge" as much as the next girl, but this isn't really the time.
[lounge]|10:11 Biep yawns, and soon after snores lightly.
[lounge]|10:12 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Biep"
[lounge]|10:15 Biep exclaims, "Hi!  Long time no see the IFmud and its inhabitants..!"
[lounge]|10:16 DavidW says, "hi Biep"
[lounge]|10:17 Biep says, "Hello GGG and DW."
[lounge]|10:18 Biep climbs down the ladder in the floor.
[youtube]|10:20 Fang says, "okay, that final bit is a pretty neat device"
[parchment]|10:23 Biep exclaims, "Biep Hi!"
[youtube]|10:24 Gunther says, "she's still terrible though"
[fourcoffees]|10:25 Gunther says, "windows: cleaned"
[fourcoffees]|10:25 Gunther says, "that means the next thunderstorm getting them super-dirty again in 3.. 2..."
[lounge]|10:25 Biep climbs up the ladder into the lounge.
[sandwiches]|10:25 Rob says, "I'm thinking of having a cheese sandwich"
[fourcoffees]|10:26 Rob says, "I've got a bedroom window I've been meaning to clean"
[sandwiches]|10:26 Gunther says, "I am behind this plan 100%"
[sandwiches]|10:26 DavidW says, "Me too."
[fourcoffees]|10:26 Gunther says, "also behind this plan"
[sandwiches]|10:27 Rob says, "how do you make your cheese sandwiches gunther"
[sandwiches]|10:27 Gunther says, "with cheese and, if it fits the cheese, nutmeg and/or ground black pepper"
[lounge]|10:27 Biep does a little jig.
[sandwiches]|10:27 Rob says, "nutmeg? really? huh"
[sandwiches]|10:27 Gunther asks, "well, it goes in cheese fondue, why not on cheese?"
[sandwiches]|10:28 Rob says, "it does? huh"
[sandwiches]|10:28 Gunther says, "yup"
[sandwiches]|10:28 DavidW says, "hm. I should clean out my fondue pot. I stuck it in the fridge years ago."
[sandwiches]|10:28 Gunther says, "and then I might or might not toast it"
[sandwiches]|10:28 Gunther says (to DavidW), "better rent a sandblaster"
[sandwiches]|10:29 DavidW says, "well, it was an oil fondue I did last."
[lounge]|10:29 Biep climbs down the ladder in the floor.
[sandwiches]|10:29 DavidW says, "So I might need the sand before the blaster."
[USA]|10:36 DavidW says, "Poor little just a bill from Schoolhouse Crock: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182696_374062765991983_103224119742517_1059209_1655436884_n.jpg "
[sandwiches]|10:41 Rob says, "hmm"
[sandwiches]|10:41 Rob says, "more experimentation needed"
[sandwiches]|10:41 Rob says, "not that this isn't a perfectly reasonable cheese sandwich, but I bet I can do better"
[lounge]|10:42 Rob says, "I am laboring under the delusion that this is monday morning"
[lounge]|10:42 DavidW says, "It was a long Saturday, I must admit."
[sandwiches]|10:46 Allen asks, "did you grill it?"
[lounge]|10:47 Biep climbs up the ladder into the lounge.
[betatesting]|10:50 genericgeekgirl says, "I wish authors would put their contact information somewhere in their game. It's not as important when you're working directly with your testers, but the structure of things like Cover Stories or Apollo means that your game is being tested by people you may not have had previous contact with."
[sandwiches]|10:55 Rob says, "nah"
[betatesting]|10:55 Rob says, "hm yeah"
[betatesting]|10:56 Rob says, "it should go in the metadata even if not in the game somewhere"
[lounge]|10:57 Ytsalwenc arrives from the Toyshop, pants full of Monopoly money.
[sandwiches]|10:58 Gunther says, "hmm I have some parmesan and crispbread"
[sandwiches]|10:58 Allen says, "obviously, there's where you fail!"
[sandwiches]|10:58 Allen says, "cheese wants to be grilled"
[nostalgia]|11:02 Fang says, " http://savethesounds.info/ "
[channels]|11:03 * Ytsalwenc has joined the channel.
[sandwiches]|11:05 ghira says, "a tiny tiny amount of marmite in a toasted cheese sandwich isn't as bad as you might fear"
[lounge]|11:07 Rob says, "ok off for a while"
[lounge]|11:07 Rob moseys right on out.
[nostalgia]|11:07 DavidW says, "not bad"
[nostalgia]|11:09 DavidW says, "The first one isn't endangered yet in our home; one of roommate's phone still makes that noise."
[nostalgia]|11:09 Gunther says, "oh yeah, nobody has Nokia phones anymore+"
[lounge]|11:10 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|11:10 Jota greets.
[lounge]|11:10 Ytsalwenc concentrates, and disappears.
[nostalgia]|11:10 Fang says (to Gunther), "hehe"
[lounge]|11:11 Gunther says, "j?ta"
[nostalgia]|11:11 Fang says, "I didn't realise how much I miss the win 95 startup sound"
[nostalgia]|11:13 DavidW says (to Fang), "ditto"
[nostalgia]|11:14 Fang goes to figure out if he can bring it back on his win 7 PC
[nostalgia]|11:15 DavidW says, "And then, several of these sounds I never heard much in the first place and thus I have no nostalgia for them."
[nostalgia]|11:15 Fang says, "true"
[nostalgia]|11:15 Fang says, "speak and spell just makes me think of ET"
[nostalgia]|11:16 DavidW says, "yeah, I never had a Speak and Spell, nor did I know anyone who had one."
[nostalgia]|11:16 Allen asks, "what's the videogame?"
[nostalgia]|11:16 Alex says (to Allen), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that videogame is a game you play on your computer."
[nostalgia]|11:17 Fang says, "I think it's the MS Encarta quiz thing"
[nostalgia]|11:17 Gunther says, " http://www.angelfire.com/games5/clockmaster/themicrosoftsound.wav "
[nostalgia]|11:17 Gunther asks, "bonus trivia: did you know that sound was composed by Brian Eno?"
[nostalgia]|11:18 Fang says, "ah, heh"
[nostalgia]|11:18 Fang says (to Allen), " http://andygoesdowntochinatown.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/errors-microsoft-encarta.html "
[nostalgia]|11:19 Fang says, "I remember playing that in libraries"
[DustWorld]|11:19 DavidW says, "I should put all my Pride Day swag, minus the wearables and edibles, into a file folder for later perusement."
[nostalgia]|11:19 Allen says, "ah. I've never seen Encarta"
[lounge]|11:22 Biep goes southwest to play with toys.
[DustWorld]|11:22 DavidW says, "I like the new condom dispensers I've been seeing lately. Wall-mounted plastic boxes that narrow down at the bottom with a naked male chest on the front for visual interest."
[nostalgia]|11:23 Allen says, "oh, it's based on Funk & Wagner encyclopedia"
[nostalgia]|11:23 Allen says, "the poor poor man's encyclopedia britannica. Or the slightly poor man's world book"
[nostalgia]|11:23 Fang asks, "wasn't encarta given away free with windows?"
[gayrights]|11:24 DavidW says, "The big topic that seemed to echo throughout the Pride Day booths this year was the issue of bullying and stopping bullying in schools."
[gayrights]|11:26 Gunther says, "I have a book Encarta"
[gayrights]|11:26 Gunther says, "lac"
[gayrights]|11:26 DavidW says, "I'm still unsure what people are expecting to do to combat the problem, though."
[gayrights]|11:26 Gunther says, "I have a book Encarta"
[gayrights]|11:26 Gunther says, "GRR"
[nostalgia]|11:26 Gunther says, "I have a book Encarta"
[nostalgia]|11:26 Gunther says, "IN CASE YOU HAD NOT HEARD"
[gayrights]|11:26 boucher says (to Gunther), "You're not allowed to post here again until you write a musical about it."
[gayrights]|11:26 DavidW says (to Gunther), "It's okay. I'll just pretend you sang that to the tune of I have a golden ticket."
[gayrights]|11:27 boucher says, "Heh"
[nostalgia]|11:27 Fang asks, "there was a book encarta?"
[youtube]|11:28 Jota says, "#belated Weirdly I've heard Nina Conti on a radio sitcom, and she was just fine."
[youtube]|11:28 Jota says, "So I guess she can act OK doing comedy. I don't know if it's performing her own material or just using ventriloquism that makes her act painful."
[nostalgia]|11:28 boucher says, "I have a 'Microsoft Plus! for Windows 95' install CD on book as well, but it's not nearly as informative."
[nostalgia]|11:28 Gunther says, "heh"
[videogames]|11:29 Gunther says, "hmm, 2 articles in 2 days that point out modern shooters are shit"
[videogames]|11:29 Gunther says, "looks like my groundwork is finally beginning to take root"
[iPhone]|11:29 Allen says, "crap crap crap crap"
[nostalgia]|11:29 boucher says, "(Everyone, give yourself a kick in the pants if you really *did* get a twinge of nostalgia...or at least painful memories...when I said Microsoft Plus!..."
[iPhone]|11:29 Allen says, "I washed my iphone"
[iPhone]|11:30 Allen asks, "I don't guess there's any likely chance of revival?"
[gayrights]|11:30 DavidW says, "I guess one thing they're trying to promote is 'safe places' and 'gay straight alliances' (or 'diversity support groups', for those schools where it's still a problem to appear supportive of anything gay in any way whatsoever)."
[iPhone]|11:30 boucher says, "Pretty much the same as any electronic device.  Disassemble and pray, but not much."
[iPhone]|11:30 Gunther says, "ha ha disassemble"
[iPhone]|11:31 Gunther asks, "what do you think this is, a non-Apple product?"
[iPhone]|11:31 Gunther says, "also it specifically has a wetness sensor so you can't claim warranty"
[iPhone]|11:31 boucher says, "Well, Allen seems like the sort of person to carry a complete set of security drivers, including whatever works on Apple products"
[iPhone]|11:31 vimes says, "there's some thing you can do with mineral oil, istr, to improve the chance of recovery when drying out electronic components"
[DrawSomething]|11:31 * vimes has joined the channel.
[nostalgia]|11:31 Gunther says (to boucher), "I had the Plus equivalent for 98, I think, and good god was it crap"
[nostalgia]|11:32 Fang asks, "what was *on* MS Plus?"
[nostalgia]|11:32 Fang says, "I can't even remember"
[nostalgia]|11:32 Gunther says, "3 pinball games and 5 themes"
[nostalgia]|11:32 Fang asks, "there was that hovercar game, right?"
[nostalgia]|11:32 Gunther says, "or so"
[nostalgia]|11:32 Gunther says, "and IE 1.0"
[nostalgia]|11:32 boucher says, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Plus! "
[gayrights]|11:33 DavidW asks, "The Catholic School Board, in particular, is going to be troublesome. It's coming to a head: which is more important, preversing freedom of religion, or continuing to get financial support from the province?"
[gayrights]|11:33 DavidW says, "er preserving"
[iPhone]|11:33 Allen says, "no, I'm not the type of person to carry around anything that opens tiny electronics"
[iPhone]|11:33 Allen says, "ok, I stuck it in my container of sticky rice"
[nostalgia]|11:34 boucher says, "Yeah...I wasn't misremembering this anecdote: 'Plus! for Windows 95 was initially marketed for adding features for high-performance computers so Windows 95 could meet the minimum system requirement of an 80386 CPU with 4 megabytes of RAM.'"
[iPhone]|11:34 Gunther says, "what"
[iPhone]|11:34 Allen says, "this wouldn't be so bad any day but today, hours before I leave on vacation"
[iPhone]|11:34 Allen says (to Gunther), "lots of things say 'stick it in a container of rice'"
[iPhone]|11:34 Gunther says, "..."
[iPhone]|11:34 Gunther says, "the rice has to be dry"
[iPhone]|11:34 Gunther says, "also it won't work"
[nostalgia]|11:34 Fang | There is also a demo version for Microsoft Plus! for Kids!. However it only contains the readme for the program and the Underwater theme.
[nostalgia]|11:35 Fang says, "that's a pretty crummy demo"
[nostalgia]|11:35 Jota exclaims, "But kids love readme files!"
[iPhone]|11:36 Allen says, "the rice is dry"
[iPhone]|11:36 Jota says, "Doesn't sound very sticky, then."
[iPhone]|11:36 Allen says, "I bought some sticky rice in a 5-lb bag a few months ago. THere's plenty left"
[iPhone]|11:36 Allen says, "glutinous rice, whatever you want to call it"
[nostalgia]|11:36 Fang says, "it also educates children on the concept of disappointment"
[iPhone]|11:37 Allen asks, "arg, how do I live without a phone?"
[nostalgia]|11:37 boucher says, "Bill Gates was not a good babysitter.  'What do I do with this kid?'  'I don't know...it's a distraction-- stick it underwater.  I need to figure out why Windows '95 is still sucking.'"
[gayrights]|11:39 DavidW says, "Egale Canada gave out rainbow rubber wristbands with 'Report Homophobia Violence, Period' on the outside and I got a red bandana from CUPE with 'Speak Out! Stop Bullying' printed on it in both English and French."
[gayrights]|11:40 boucher says, "But then, those were more to prevent people from being bullied for speaking the wrong language in the wrong part of the country, not sexual orientation."
[eep]|11:41 Fang | http://adriofthedead.tumblr.com/post/24313857534/catbountry-4chanscreencaps-awwwwwwwwww-shit
[iPhone]|11:41 Allen says, "dang it, I don't know how this happened. I cleaned out my pockets. I pulled out my wallet and keys and access card"
[gayrights]|11:42 boucher says, "'We don't take kindly to you French fags out here in British Columbia, Montreal-boy.  We here prefer English-speaking fags.'"
[gayrights]|11:42 DavidW says, "well, it's clear that bullying in general is not to be borne, but these two items are focused on stopping homophobic bullying."
[eep]|11:42 Gunther says, "darwin awards ahoy"
[gayrights]|11:44 boucher says, "Once...only once (compared to dozens of times in the reverse) did I see something approaching reverse-bullying over sexual orientation."
[gayrights]|11:44 boucher says, "i.e., a group of gay guys picking on a straight guy."
[gayrights]|11:44 DavidW says, "(CUPE = Canadian Union of Public Employees, Canada?s largest union)"
[eep]|11:44 Jota says, "And people are surprised when I talk bad about /b/."
[eep]|11:44 Fang says, "live grenades are not toys? Who knew"
[eep]|11:45 Gunther says, "pretty sure I have nothing good to say about any of 4chan"
[eep]|11:46 boucher says, "Nah, some parts of 4chan can actually be pretty helpful, even if there's some general 'people on the Internet can be assholes, anonymous ones doubly so' trouble."
[gayrights]|11:46 DavidW says, "well, I do worry sometimes about violence directed towards Muslims. They're not that small a minority any more, and I think it's just a matter of time before someone's xenophobia kicks in."
[eep]|11:47 boucher says, "/b/, though, is a pretty bad game of Russian Roulette, and anyone posting there asking /b/ what to do knows it"
[eep]|11:48 Gunther says, "I dunno, to me, 4chan, much like reddit, digg and slashdot, could disappear from this planet and I would not miss a thing"
[gayrights]|11:49 DavidW says, "hm. I have three rainbow pencils that a trio of schoolgirls gave me that read 'Safe Space   OSSTF', but I don't know what OSSTF means."
[eep]|11:49 boucher says, "This guy was looking for attention, knew just how to play the crowd, and potentially (because I trust nothing I read there and because it'd be just like a /b/-tard to hear about an accident, quickly engineer a 'cause', then rely on delays in reporting and inaccuracies in the report to see if he could get them to believe it was him) getting himself killed."
[gayrights]|11:50 DavidW says, "ah. Ontario Secondary School Teachers' Federation"
[eep]|11:50 boucher says, "Yeah, but these communities can help people.  There's often lots of good advice floating about there, and sometimes there are some pretty amazing random acts of kindness there, even on 4chan"
[gayrights]|11:50 DavidW says, "I wonder if my old high school in Hamilton has any 'safe spaces'."
[lounge]|11:51 RiverJ, she had lots of affairs. She was getting arrested all the time when she was a teenager. She kept getting let off though. The juvie judge was in love with her. Youngest judge ever appointed to that circuit.
[lounge]|11:51 RiverJ goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[gayrights]|11:51 DavidW asks, "also, why are erasers on pencils always utterly useless, even on brand new pencils?"
[eep]|11:52 Gunther says, "I guess if I only ever heard about FYAD I would feel the same about SA"
[eep]|11:52 Gunther says, "not going to cede the point re: /. though."
[eep]|11:52 Fang says, "heh"
[eep]|11:52 Fang says, "maybe ifMUD can do with such a dark underbelly"
[gayrights]|11:53 boucher says, "I wonder how bad the average high school really is.  I ask, because I start to suspect I didn't go to an average high school."
[eep]|11:54 Fang exclaims, "we could hound graphical videogame developers!"
[gayrights]|11:54 (from Gunther) boucher says, "our erasers were awesome"
[eep]|11:55 Fang says, "fear the power of Guest"
[gayrights]|11:55 boucher says, "I see in popular fiction and the media stories of schools where male football players and female cheerleaders rule the school and anyone different from them are mercilessly bullied and beaten, while the teachers look on, either helplessly or actively encouraging the behavior, with maybe a scarce few standing up for the gays, the nerds, and the otherwise different and disfranchised."
[eep]|11:55 Gunther says (to Fang), "sure, if we adopt the $10-for-an-account and autoban-on-idiocy system"
[eep]|11:55 Gunther says, "which Blizzard should totally do"
[eep]|11:56 Gunther says, "also everyone else with a forum"
[eep]|11:56 Fang says, "well ifMUD already does always online requirements"
[gayrights]|11:56 DavidW says, "I don't remember any football players or cheerleaders at my school. I'm pretty sure we had a football team, and I suppose, logically, some of my classmates were in it, but I honestly have no idea who."
[gayrights]|11:57 Gunther says (to boucher), "you forgot cliques of rich bitches"
[gayrights]|11:58 DavidW pulls out yearbook, searches for football team photo.
[UK]|11:59 Fang says, "I feel like driving someplace"
[gayrights]|11:59 boucher says, "But in our school, the most popular students were the most academically gifted.  The most popular sport at our school was girls' basketball, and our cheerleading squad was pretty evenly divided gender-wise.  Half of the class presidents were openly gay at some point, the school president was mostly straight, possibly bi, but came to school wearing a dress on occasion and the school administrators didn't force him not to.  I was extremely popular, despite being a geek, and had no bullying problems, and all the teachers, even the 'jock' ones, were very sensitive to that sort of thing."
[people-suk]|11:59 Gunther asks, "is it ok to slap Lionheart on here for something he posted to G+?"
[lounge]|12:00 genericgeekgirl goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[people-suk]|12:00 Jota says, "Sure, if you provide enough context for us to know why you're slapping him without enraging us at the same time."
[people-suk]|12:00 Gunther says, "oh dear, that will be hard"
[gayrights]|12:01 DavidW says, "hmph. I was one of the top students, academically, but hardly the most popular. I'd nominate Steve Paikin up there, who ended up getting his own news show on the CBC."
[people-suk]|12:01 Gunther says, "he has created wiktionary entries for certain eye-rollingly to enragingly idiotic neologisms"
[people-suk]|12:01 Gunther says, "some of them end in splain"
[gayrights]|12:01 boucher says, "There were bullying incidents, certainly, but they were pretty short-lived, because it was usually just delinquents vs. anyone else, and eventually they get punished or exiled."
[people-suk]|12:01 Jota says, "Oh dear."
[people-suk]|12:02 Gunther says, "most are worse."
[gayrights]|12:02 Allen says, "I don't remember any bullying from the popular kids, but there was definitely some from the pseudo-criminal class"
[people-suk]|12:02 Gunther says, "maybe I will call these terms "cuntdescending" henceforth"
[people-suk]|12:03 Gunther says, "but that would just fuel the fire"
[gayrights]|12:03 Allen says, "I remember a guy who was stripped naked and duct-taped to a pole in the safeway parking lot. The guys that did it faced criminal charges"
[people-suk]|12:03 Jota says, "This is not an arms race to see who can be stupider."
[gayrights]|12:03 Allen says, "also, one guy that everyone assumed was gay put a shotgun in his mouth in 11th grade..."
[gayrights]|12:04 boucher says, "So I'm trying to determine if our school was just special, or if this image of the school from hell, where terrified students huddle crying in the stairwells, hoping their nightmare will end, is just some exaggerated fiction made to draw out those who are having a slightly uncomfortable school experience, and need some support."
[people-suk]|12:04 Gunther says, "if only"
[people-suk]|12:04 Gunther says, "however, I won't up the ante"
[gayrights]|12:04 Fang says, "maybe people going in to make that sort of film don't come from very stable backgrounds"
[gayrights]|12:05 boucher says, "The thing is, that seems to be the standard depiction of a lot of schools on TV and in movies through the 80's and 90's"
[gayrights]|12:05 DavidW says, "hm. There's two pages in the yearbook with photos of the football players actually playing and a blurb from the captain, Wally Faloney, but no actual team photo or list of players."
[gayrights]|12:05 Gunther says, "maybe they're all aping each other"
[lounge]|12:06 ASchultz has arrived.
[lounge]|12:06 ASchultz goes southwest to play with toys.
[gayrights]|12:06 Gunther says, "see also every "ghetto school" movie ever"
[lounge]|12:06 DavidW goes southwest to play with toys.
[gayrights]|12:07 boucher says, "I'm sure they are, but I'm wondering where the truth came from, if there ever was any, and how common/severe it really is"
[gayrights]|12:07 Gunther asks, "tvtropes?"
[gayrights]|12:08 boucher says, "That will certainly tell me that they're aping each other, yes, and they might admit that the problem isn't quite as severe as depicted.  Beyond that, I don't expect a survey of people's real school experiences."
[gayrights]|12:08 Gunther says, "I mean, all those schools also have 1 hallway, 1 stairwell, and 2 bathrooms"
[gayrights]|12:08 DavidW says, "I was bullied in high school, grade 9 mostly, but grade 8 was the worst for me, but it never quite reached tv movie of the week proportions."
[lounge]|12:09 inky is only half-heartedly swathed in mummy bindings, and no sinister fires burn in his eyesockets.
[gayrights]|12:09 Gunther asks (of boucher), "...TroperTales?"
[lounge]|12:09 djfletch goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|12:10 Marktwo goes home.
[lounge]|12:10 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[gayrights]|12:11 boucher says, "'Tonight, our Movie of the Week, "David Knows Someone Who Doesn't Like Him Very Much And Shows It In an Aggressive Manner"'"
[lounge]|12:12 inky goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|12:12 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|12:12 K-Y says, "hello"
[lounge]|12:12 Marktwo enters the lounge, not knowing why, but programmed to purchase... STAR FRONTIERS
[lounge]|12:13 Gunther says, "hi-Y"
[youtube]|12:17 djfletch says, "hmm, so when it says every second card, does that mean second, fourth, etc and not first, third"
[youtube]|12:17 djfletch says, "ilac"
[videogames]|12:17 K-Y says, "oh, come on"
[videogames]|12:17 K-Y says, "Guilty Gear"
[videogames]|12:18 K-Y says, "Accent Core"
[videogames]|12:18 K-Y says, "Plus"
[videogames]|12:18 K-Y says, "R"
[webgames]|12:19 ghira says, "advice on the "rotten forest" level of kingdrom rush welcome. I've got all five stars on every other level but can't get past wave 12 (and usually not wave 8) out of 20 on this one."
[videogames]|12:20 K-Y says, "(this is basically the fifth update stacked on top of a game that first came out in 2002)"
[videogames]|12:20 Gunther asks, "is that its full name?"
[videogames]|12:21 Gunther asks, "no colons?"
[videogames]|12:21 K-Y says, "yes"
[videogames]|12:22 K-Y says, "no, wait, I missed a bit"
[videogames]|12:22 K-Y says, "Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus R"
[videogames]|12:23 Gunther says, "heh"
[cyoa]|12:28 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Emily has posted message 33, about 'Varytale Reader Beta', to the bulletin board! What's the deal with news anyway? I read it once. Then I analyzed the writing mechanics, deduced that the rest of the news would be using language to convey information and sat my rss reader down. "
[cyoa]|12:29 Fang asks, "are any of these any good?"
[cyoa]|12:29 Fang says, "I ask, as a completely pointless question"
[cyoa]|12:29 Gunther says, "Emily modestly leaves out she wrote one of them"
[cyoa]|12:30 Fang says, "yeah, now I see that"
[videogames]|12:33 Gunther says, "*finally* sitting through this AC2 LP pays off with a hilarious italian torrent of abuse"
[lounge]|12:33 borowski goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|12:35 Tale goes southwest to play with toys.
[English]|12:40 ghira reads a usenet post where someone says "applesauce" is a term for "nonsense". I have never knowingly heard that.
[English]|12:40 inky says, "it is super old-time-grandmother thing"
[English]|12:40 inky says, "and probably US-only"
[English]|12:40 Jota asks (of inky), "Really?"
[English]|12:40 ghira asks, "What sort of vintage of film/tv would I need to watch to hear this?"
[English]|12:41 Jota says, "I was assuming this was one of those things where ghira reads newsgroups populated by people who only speak Italian talk about English words."
[English]|12:41 ghira says, "this is a native English speaker from the US answering somene's question"
[English]|12:41 ghira says, "in which among other things he says that "baloney" and "applesauce" both mean "nonsense". the former I have heard. the latter, never."
[English]|12:41 DavidW asks, "'vintage'?"
[English]|12:41 Jota says, "I guess dictionary.com agrees with inky."
[English]|12:42 Jota says, "Which suggests to me that inky has hacked dictionary.com in order to troll ghira."
[English]|12:42 inky says, "hee hee"
[English]|12:42 DavidW says, "using 'applesauce' to mean nonsense hasn't been done since the 50s."
[lounge]|12:42 Grocible enters the lounge.
[lounge]|12:42 (From Grocible) Alex says (to Grocible), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that you are Grocible, and I claim my five cork nuts!"
[English]|12:42 ghira says, "it.cultura.linguistica.inglese has a smallish number of native English speakers answering questions"
[lounge]|12:43 Grocible says, "hello, Alex"
[English]|12:43 ghira says, "it's probably possible to sound pretty surreal by using expressions found in books of "idioms" sold to foreign learners of English."
[English]|12:44 ghira says, "e.g. "in apple pie order", one of the first expressions in book I have nearby"
[English]|12:44 ghira says, "I don't think I've ever heard this."
[English]|12:45 ghira says, "it appears to mean "ship-shape and Bristol fashion", an expression I have heard used pretty infrequently and would not really recommend for use by foreign learners of English"
[English]|12:45 inky says, "ha ha"
[English]|12:45 inky says, "what ho"
[English]|12:46 ghira says (to inky), "You are a good egg."
[English]|12:46 Tale asks, "WHat about "ship shape" on it's own?"
[English]|12:46 Jota says, "Ship shape is reasonably common on its own."
[English]|12:47 DavidW says, "I use 'ship-shape' by itself. I am not familiar with 'and Bristol fashion'."
[English]|12:48 ghira says, "well I'll go to the foot of our stairs"
[lounge]|12:49 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, pale violet this time of day.
[lounge]|12:49 ghira says, "zarfle"
[postscript]|12:58 inky | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4p8MFtbL_rA/T8qHHjzgvCI/AAAAAAAATYY/swGRX8YZNR8/s1600/award.jpg
[lounge]|13:00 jenrexrode has entered the lounge. [ Your score has gone up by 10 points ]
[lounge]|13:00 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|13:00 ghira says, "jen"
[lounge]|13:01 jenrexrode says, "happy noon (in your region)"
[English]|13:01 Allen | Bristol fashion was added later and is first seen in print during Bristol's heyday as a trading port, in the early 19th century; for example, this extract from John Davis' Travels of four years and a half in the United States of America, 1803:     ...says I to the girl, "this is neither ship-shape, nor Bristol fashion."
[mudmeets]|13:02 Allen says (to jenrexrode), "by the way, I have no phone to confirm tuesday, so email me if anything comes up"
[mudmeets]|13:02 Allen says, "I (*weep*) washed my iphone with my clothes"
[mudmeets]|13:02 inky says, "oops"
[mudmeets]|13:02 inky says, "I assume you tried sticking it in rice"
[mudmeets]|13:02 (from ghira) Allen says, "it is no longer Bristol fashion"
[mudmeets]|13:03 Allen says, "yes. It is in a container of glutionous rice"
[mudmeets]|13:03 * annabianca has joined the channel.
[mudmeets]|13:03 Allen says, "everything says to leave it in 24 hours before trying to boot it"
[mudmeets]|13:03 Allen says, "after that I guess I can go buy another"
[lounge]|13:11 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|13:11 * K-Y has disconnected.
[lounge]|13:15 jenrexrode goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[breakfast]|13:15 * jenrexrode has joined the channel.
[breakfast]|13:15 jenrexrode exclaims, "hungry!"
[breakfast]|13:16 ghira asks, "pancakes?"
[breakfast]|13:16 jenrexrode says, "oh, I did buy a packet of pan-kits"
[breakfast]|13:16 jenrexrode says, "or some silly name like that"
[breakfast]|13:17 ghira asks, "kitten-flavoured pancakes?"
[breakfast]|13:17 jenrexrode says, "wah"
[breakfast]|13:17 ghira says, "whatever your breakfast is, put a single chive on top"
[cyoa]|13:17 Fang says, "I'm not liking this spelling bee game so much :/"
[breakfast]|13:17 ghira says, "a hotel we stayed at in Edinburgh did that. instant _class_."
[breakfast]|13:17 jenrexrode says, "hehe"
[cyoa]|13:17 Fang says, "er, story. book. whatever"
[lounge]|13:18 Rob comes right on in.
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[breakfast] ghira says, "here, have a bread roll with an omelette in it. and a long strand of chive on top."
[cyoa] Fang says, "the main problem is the appearance of repeating options, and also, not enough signs of overall progress."
[breakfast] jenrexrode says, "I only have misplaced chives that fell off a baked potato :)"
<two-star> yea why try her raw wet hat
two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[breakfast] ghira says, "for a breakfast with some real heft, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arancini "
[breakfast] ghira says, "(I'm not sure these are normally eaten at breakfast, but it's your breakfast. eat what you want.)"
[breakfast] jenrexrode says, "those look like they require overnight prep"
<eu> eu has connected to ifMUD.
eu arrives.
[Europe] ghira asks, "cyrpus says it may need a bailout?"
[breakfast] jenrexrode | http://eatingmoney.com/krgr/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=2188&zenid=e57c34bff6f1911f3afe70d4658cd1ee
[breakfast] jenrexrode asks, "eating money?"
[breakfast] jenrexrode says, "i love that font"
eu goes southwest to play with toys.
[breakfast] jenrexrode says, "huh, I guess it's called Western"
[facebook] DavidW says, "From James Nicoll: | In a better world, changing my brand of antiperspirant would not involve blood-loss."
Lucea is gonna get back baby bad balls to you, love, cretin.
Lucea has disconnected.
[facebook] jenrexrode exclaims, "!!"
jenrexrode arrives from the Toyshop, Slinkies dangling from every appendage.
jenrexrode says, "hi rob"
[facebook] DavidW says, "Mysterious voices sometimes have good taste."
[facebook] DavidW says, "ilac"
[food] zarf says, "peanut butter and banana sandwich"
[food] jenrexrode asks, "on oat-nut bread?"
[food] zarf says, "No, I was out of oatmeal when I made the bread"
[food] jenrexrode says, "nut-nut? :)"
[food] zarf says, "thbpbp"
[jendoodle] jenrexrode exclaims, "I'm thinking about tearing down my fence!"
[jendoodle] inky says, "ms rexrode, tear down that wall"
[food] zarf says, "the peanut butter and banana are left over from the PB&B muffin experiment, and I could have just eaten *those* for lunch"
[jendoodle] jenrexrode says, "2/3 neighbors have built fancy fences on their side of my fence."
[jendoodle] jenrexrode says, "so if I tear down mine, I steal part of their yard"
</RiverJ> RiverJ has disconnected from ifMUD.
Not a valid command. Try typing 'help'.
Rob?=
Rob says, "whuh"
Gunther says, "Rob+=3"
Rob says, "ok I forgot I logged in before I did all that other stuff in other windows"
Rob says, "g'mrbnh everybody"
[mudmeets] Rob says, "ha ha / aww/  heh geez  Allen washing his iPhone"
<Felix> Felix has connected to ifMUD.
[politics] Allen | Does the Pentagon have the right weapons to fight off an alien invasion?
[mudmeets] Rob says, "well I think we all put it in our headbones and it'll work out"
[mudmeets] Rob says, "this is why a clueless guy needs to meet a classy gal and have a romantic comedy where she learns him to be less clueless"
[mudmeets] Rob says, "you need someone to roll their eyes at you (and check your pockets)"
[mudmeets] Rob says, "I could use someone like this myself"
[mudmeets] inky says, "you could get a valet too"
[mudmeets] inky says, "then it would be an upstairs/downstairs comedy instead"
[robmumble] Rob says, "there is something about the upstairs/downstairs format that I get a little more into every year I get older and observe how the world is split up"
[Canada] inky | A bear ate the corpse of a convicted killer in a wooded area of Canada, according to authorities.
[robmumble] Rob says, "where maybe I could use that format to say something truthful/and/or/satiric that I've been wanting to say in some fictional guise"
[robmumble] jenrexrode asks, "like on PBS?"
[way-secret] Rob says, "I always try to work in a little wodehousian verve and joie-de-vivre when contemplating something british"
No such channel: 'cananda'.
[Canada] Rob says, "polishing off the evidence"
[way-secret] inky says, "hooray"
[race] Allen says, "huh, Zimmerman back in jail"
[race] inky says, "yeah, for parole violations"
[race] Allen says, "he hid his paypal account"
[Canada] Rob says, "clearly the work of a criminal mastermind / slash/ circus animal tamer"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "at first I was thinking about how at my house I don't notice it, but at my sister's two story house, I learned my kness sound like rice krispies"
[race] Allen says, "this says he lied during the parole hearing"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "er knees"
[race] inky says, "he didn't turn in one of his passports"
[race] Allen says, "that he had no money, when he had gotten over $200k in donations into his paypal account"
[race] Allen says, "oh"
[race] inky says, "and, yeah, apparently he was lying about money somehow"
[race] Allen asks, "who has more than one passport?"
[race] inky says, "people on metafilter were all up in arms about it"
[race] inky says, "I wasn't sure what the deal was"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "is there any way to translate wodehouse to Texas type characters"
[race] inky says, "the one he handed in was due to expire in may"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "I ask this because I live in texas and texans are around here"
[race] inky says, "so maybe he handed in one that had been punched and was invalid and nobody noticed"
jenrexrode goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[wodehouse] Rob says, "there's no exact analogue but maybe there's some new kind of thing to synthesize"
[wodehouse] inky says, "well, the essence of jeeves and wooster stuff seems like a privileged class with tiny problems that seems large because they have even tinier brains"
[robmumble] Rob asks, "your knees sound like rice krispies in your sister's house?"
[wodehouse] inky says, "so maybe this is already covered by "Storage Wars: Texas""
[robmumble] Gunther says, "rice kneecaps"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "there could be a hispanic valet and an unpretentious cowboy oilman billionaire's son"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "who'd be all aw shoot yessir instead of oh I say"
[wodehouse] inky says, "ha ha"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "yeah, when climbing the stairs in the quiet house, I hear a crackling, and it's coming from my knees"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "it's not just the constraint of tiny brains, it's that all their activities are confined to this thin upper strata"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "stratus"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "well that's one ha ha vote that maybe this could be the germ of something"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "I mean Bertie is a pretty straight shooter in so far as he goes"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "he is plucky and optimistic even when given to worry at trying times"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "and eventually jeeves saves his neck"
[wodehouse] inky says, "the number of actual bad guys in wodehouse is pretty small"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "there are threatening people"
[wodehouse] Psmith says, "Aunts, mainly."
[wodehouse] Rob says, "(relative to bertie)"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "but actual bad guys not so much"
[wodehouse] inky says, "yeah, but even most of the people who are antagonists are usually people who mean well by their own lights and could be sympathetic in some other setting"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "some of the humour must be from the fact that this is only a large menacing threat when taken in proportion to this world bertie floats around in"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "if you can flip to play all of them as a PC you could empathize with all their goals simultaneously"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "no matter how ridiculous, you'd feel committed"
[cyoa] Emily asks, "belated, but what kind of progress were you looking for?"
[wodehouse] Rob says, "I *must* get that umbrella before 2pm  today  !!"
jenrexrode arrives from the Toyshop, declaring, "It's Castle Grayskull -- AND IT'S MINE!"
Rob says, "re"