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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
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Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
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  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
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Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> “I’ve got a significant strawberry,’’ he said.
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Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, banana, Anything Finder, battle.net battletags, his pants
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, Ryan, Matthew, Doug, Dave, Psmith, lpsmith, Whizzard, jpt, Bishop, annabianca, Richie, McMartin, Marktwo, maga, vimes, zaphod, Allen, Jon, baf, Johnny, DorianX, genericgeekgirl, Hugo, inky, zarf, ghira, Emily, two-star, Fang, nothings, DavidW, GDorn, Jearl, Lionheart, Firion, Jota
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 4773 lines from recent channels:
[security]/14:20 Gunther says, "because ==**"
[personals]|14:20 BrenBarn says, "he said vert"
[personals]|14:20 Jota says (to BrB), "He also said ert."
[personals]|14:20 BrenBarn says, "it's an not 'an' ert, it's just ert"
[personals]|14:21 BrenBarn says, "that one's an adjective"
[personals]|14:21 Jota asks, "Oh, he wants an ert vert?"
[personals]|14:21 BrenBarn says, "right"
[personals]|14:24 Lionheart says, "Preferably an ert vert who looks good with no shirt, and knows how to flirt."
[personals]|14:25 markm says, "For cert."
[D&D]|14:25 Jota asks, "So did someone say something about running something?"
[lounge]|14:25 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[D&D]|14:25 markm says, "No, I just have to run faster than *you*."
[personals]|14:25 BrenBarn says, "whose loins are girt"
[exercise]|14:25 olethros says, "feeling laaaazy today"
[D&D]|14:26 markm says, "wait"
[lounge]|14:26 genericgeekgirl says, "hi olethros"
[exercise]|14:26 olethros says, "just biked to/from work and now I am having wine"
[D&D]|14:26 Jota says, "Man, there goes the whole cooperative party concept at stage 0."
[exercise]|14:26 markm says, "I hope that's because you work at a winery."
[exercise]|14:26 olethros says, "no, but I will visit some on saturday and so I am preparking"
[exercise]|14:26 markm says, "THANKS FOR DASHING ALL MY HOPES"
[exercise]|14:27 markm asks, "wait, preparking?"
[exercise]|14:27 markm asks, "Park your bike before you go?"
[exercise]|14:27 olethros says, "preparing. Preparking would be nice!"
[exercise]|14:27 markm says, "ah"
[exercise]|14:27 olethros says, "I parked some wine in my estomach"
[exercise]|14:28 olethros says, "oh, I tried a climbing wall for the first time in years"
[exercise]|14:28 olethros says, "it was _tough_"
[adventures]|14:28 Jota asks, "If I already own Ben There, Dan That! and Time Gentlemen, Please!, is it worth $6 to me to get the other five games?"
[D&D]|14:28 K-Y says, "guy optimizes to run at speed of light, everyone else goes home"
[exercise]|14:28 markm says, "You're supposed to climb it, not eat it."
[exercise]|14:28 olethros says, "my fingers were all slippery and I could not get a grip. I felt like a greased monkey"
[adventures]|14:28 Gunther says, "yes"
[adventures]|14:29 Lionheart asks, "How much did you enjoy BTDT and TGP?"
[adventures]|14:29 K-Y says, "I assume they already know that everyone owns it"
[jobs]|14:29 Matthew says, "No, Matthew, 'Blu-ray discus' is not a thing."
[adventures]|14:29 Jota says (to Heart), "I liked the first one and thought the second one sucked."
[adventures]|14:29 K-Y says, "but put it in anyway out of spite"
[greece]|14:29 olethros says, "ah, 'normal citizens', anarchists, nazis, and police slug it out"
[greece]|14:29 olethros says, " http://greece.greekreporter.com/2012/05/24/situation-still-tense-in-patras-alleged-golden-dawn-involvement/ "
[lounge]|14:31 marc in the land of the lounge lizards.
[lounge]|14:31 marc says, "hey"
[greece]|14:31 olethros says, "Jason was supposed to get the golden _fleece_ damn it"
[facebook]|14:32 BrenBarn says, "#tasteless http://failblog.org/2012/05/22/funny-facebook-fails-failbook-well-thats-dark/?fb_ref=newcontenthole "
[noise]|14:32 Allen says, "guys have been playing foozball right outside my office since about 11:45"
[facebook]|14:32 K-Y says, "content hole sounds about right"
[noise]|14:32 olethros asks, "got a needle?"
[lounge]|14:32 genericgeekgirl says, "hi marc"
[noise]|14:33 olethros says, "oh wait, you can't deflate a foozball"
[noise]|14:33 olethros asks, "why do you have a foozball game next to your office?"
[noise]|14:33 Allen says, "cause my office is next to the kitchen and game room"
[noise]|14:33 Allen says, "there's a tv, a pool table, and a ping pong table"
[facebook]|14:34 Jota asks, "What part of this is supposed to be funny?"
[facebook]|14:35 Gunther says, "the second comment"
[D&D]|14:35 Roger says, "Yeah I was saying I'd be up for running a mildly-illegal playtest"
[D&D]|14:35 Roger says, "Possibly as early as this Saturday if I can get my act together."
[noise]|14:35 Allen says, "one of them has a laugh like a hyena on the serenghetti"
[noise]|14:36 Allen says, "except hyenas are less annoying"
[movie]|14:36 markm says, "neat-o - i'm now listed on imdb as a producer"
[movie]|14:36 markm says, "14 minutes 45 seconds of fame left and counting..."
[movie]|14:37 markm | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5009515/
[movie]|14:37 BrenBarn says, "sweet"
[movie]|14:38 markm says, "I think I gave 'em like $50 or something"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:38 BrenBarn | When he stayed at the Beverly Hills Hotel, the famously reclusive Howard Hughes would have roast beef sandwiches left for him in a crook of a tree, go on 2 a.m. treasure hunts for freshly baked pineapple upside-down cakes that were hidden on the grounds, and keep a phone booth inside his bungalow.
[movie]|14:39 Hugo says, "Welcome to your new life of cocaine and hookers!"
[movie]|14:39 zarf says, "Okay... I knew I had an imdb credit for appearing in Get Lamp. I didn't know I was also listed as a videogame director."
[movie]|14:40 zarf says, " http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4146031/ "
[movie]|14:40 zarf says, "for my most famous Inform game"
[movie]|14:41 Lionheart asks, "How about your role in Being Andrew Plotkin?"
[movie]|14:42 zarf says, "not listed"
[movie]|14:42 Johnny asks, "You mean "Andrew Plotkin Consultant"?"
[movie]|14:42 Lionheart says (to zarf), "That was not the famous Inform game I expected."
[facebook]|14:42 Jota asks (of Heart), "Really?"
[facebook]|14:43 Jota asks, "Ilac.#movie ..Heart Were you expecting Inhumane?"
[facebook]|14:43 Jota says, "Argh."
[movie]|14:43 baf says, "I know I'm listed for my work on a project involving several of the actors from CSI."
[movie]|14:43 BrenBarn says, "assistant to Mr. Plotkin"
[movie]|14:44 zarf says, "hairdresser"
[movie]|14:44 Ellison says, "how weird"
[movie]|14:44 Lionheart says, "Wumpus wrangler."
[movie]|14:45 Lionheart says, "And if you've ever wrangled your wumpus, you know how painful that can be."
[movie]|14:47 Lionheart says, "(ba dum tish)"
[band-name]|14:48 Matthew says, "Wumpus Wrangler."
[band-name]|14:49 Allen says, "second incarnation of Nerf Herder"
[wikipedia]|14:49 BrenBarn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak_polo
[wikipedia]|14:50 BrenBarn says, "see also Yak skiing"
[lounge]|14:50 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[D&D]|14:51 Roger says, "Apparently among the things skeletons do is "deliver simple messages".  I need to work that into an adventure at some point."
[wikipedia]|14:51 maga says, "[too awesome for citations]"
[wikipedia]|14:51 BrenBarn says, "[citation not needed due to yak]"
[adventures]|14:53 Gunther says, "cute, pretty short: http://www.kongregate.com/games/BeGamerCom/round-world "
[D&D]|14:53 baf asks, "Are these generally messages along the lines of 'No one crosses Dredlor and gets away without getting strangled to death by a skeleton'?"
[D&D]|14:54 Jota says, "'BREASTPLATES HALF OFF AT URSULA'S METALWORKS'"
[D&D]|14:54 Gunther says, "MASSIVE CHEST AHEAD"
[D&D]|14:55 Jota says (to Gunther), "Ooh la la."
[D&D]|14:55 vimes says, "BEWARE OF FLESH-EATING SCARAB BEETLE SWARM"
[D&D]|14:55 Gunther asks (of Jota), "do you know the story behind that?"
[D&D]|14:55 Jota says, "Behind 'massive chest ahead'? No."
[tangent]|14:56 Gunther says (to Jota), "there's this game called Dark Souls"
[D&D]|14:56 Jota says, "But it sounds like it should go well with 'breastplates half off'."
[D&D]|14:56 Jota says, "IYKWIM."
[tangent]|14:56 Gunther says, "in which players can leave canned messages for each other in a sort of multiplayer"
[tangent]|14:56 Gunther says, "messages which are stuck together from specific words so there's no chance of racism, sexism, swearing, what have you"
[tangent]|14:56 Gunther says, "so you encounter the text MASSIVE CHEST AHEAD"
[tangent]|14:57 Gunther says, "followed directly by http://darksoulsproject.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/1983012-quelaag.jpg "
[tangent]|14:57 vimes says, "oh hey, i didn't know dark souls was made from distilled Tale nightmares"
[tangent]|14:57 Gunther says, "(in other words, IKWYM, and they did too)"
[weblogs]|14:57 josh_g says, "ha ha"
[weblogs]|14:57 josh_g says, "ilac"
[tangent]|14:57 Jota asks, "They make monsters out of topless women, and then are worried the *players* will engage in sexism?"
[tangent]|14:58 Lionheart says, "More of a massive thorax, really."
[D&D]|14:58 Allen says, "ha ha: http://clevercurves.tumblr.com/post/23053110003 "
[tangent]|14:58 Tale says (to Gunther), "Yikes"
[D&D]|14:58 vimes says, "ha ha"
[D&D]|14:59 katre says, "yikes, NSFW"
[D&D]|14:59 Jota says (to Allen), "If you're going there, then http://oglaf.com/snakeskin/ "
[D&D]|14:59 Gunther says, "yay"
[D&D]|14:59 Gunther says, "still my favorite"
[D&D]|15:00 Allen says (to Jota), "yeah, I know the oglaf version"
[D&D]|15:00 Allen says, "I think this one is much cuter"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:07 Gunther says, "I've seen it happen to others, but now it's me: http://prntscr.com/9mwua "
[videogames]|15:10 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Gunther has posted message 388, about 'Beta key giveaway for Krater', to the bulletin board! I'm... too sexy for this news."
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:10 Matthew says, "YOU AREN'T GUNTHER YOU'RE A MACHIEN"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:10 Matthew says, "ALSO, MACHINE"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:10 Gunther says, "it accepted '50' so..."
[noise]|15:11 Allen says, "man, now they're playing ping pong again"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:11 Gunther says, "also wnediu, whatever that means"
[noise]|15:12 Gunther says, "headphones, man"
[noise]|15:12 Allen says, "I wish I was hired to play games 70% of the day"
[noise]|15:12 Gunther says, "headphones plus http://www.leekspin.com "
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:13 Roger says, "The robotic version of Menudo"
[D&D]|15:14 Roger says, "I reviewed the monsters:  http://stirgessuck.wordpress.com/ "
[D&D]|15:14 Gunther says, "biased url, will not read :C"
[D&D]|15:14 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[D&D]|15:15 Gunther says, "I read 'gray ooze' as 'crazy ooze' somehow"
[D&D]|15:16 Roger says, "Just like crazy glue except it dissolves your flesh."
[D&D]|15:16 Gunther asks, ""except"?"
[videogames]|15:16 Recchi says, "So, speaking of permadeath."
[D&D]|15:16 Gunther says, "it's exactly like crazy glue"
[videogames]|15:17 Gunther asks, "your level 60 hardcore barbarian died to lag?"
[videogames]|15:17 Recchi asks, "Does the behavior of players obviously change with permadeath?"
[videogames]|15:18 Johnny says (to Recchi), "They cry more."
[videogames]|15:18 Gunther asks, "singleplayer or multiplayer?"
[videogames]|15:18 Recchi says, "Multi"
[videogames]|15:18 Recchi says, "I'"
[videogames]|15:18 Recchi says, "I've never played a multiplayer with permadeath."
[videogames]|15:18 Recchi says, "Unless you count the time I played MK3 over a LAN with a friend and beat him enough times for him to rage-delete the game from his computer."
[videogames]|15:19 Recchi says, "It just seems like permadeath and Quake-style jumping should never go together."
[videogames]|15:19 Roger says, "Haha"
[videogames]|15:19 Roger says, "FINISH HIM"
[videogames]|15:19 Recchi says, "They are talking about some zombie game on Rock Paper Shotgun where there is permadeath."
[noise]|15:19 olethros asks, "who are these people and why are they playing ping pong all day?"
[videogames]|15:19 Recchi says (to Roger), "heh"
[videogames]|15:19 Johnny says (to Recchi), "Ah, Day Z."
[Europe]|15:19 olethros | A top EU official is launching a plan to rescue the eurozone by binding its 17 nations closer together.
[Europe]|15:20 olethros says, "EUBDSM"
[videogames]|15:20 Johnny says, "That's the one where GDorn kept getting zerg^H^H^Hombie-rushed whenever he stopped to eat beans."
[videogames]|15:20 Johnny says, "Which is from where I'm sitting hilarious."
[videogames]|15:20 Johnny says, "Becaus who eats canned beans, right."
[videogames]|15:21 Tale asks (of johnny), "Uh, brits?"
[Europe]|15:21 olethros says, "I like what this document is called"
[Europe]|15:21 olethros | A top EU official is launching a plan to rescue the eurozone by binding its 17 nations closer together.
[Europe]|15:21 olethros says, "hrrgrrr"
[quotations]|15:21 baf | grim portrait of cultural pressures to use shape-shifting to renounce female form in a pre-feminist culture
[videogames]|15:21 Recchi asks, "Are they fast moving zombies? Fast-acting beans?"
[Europe]|15:22 olethros | Remarks by President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy following the informal dinner of the members of the European Council
[Europe]|15:22 olethros | but before the digestif and cake.
[spam]|15:23 zarf | Subject: 2012 Game Design 101
[spam]|15:23 zarf says, "first line: | PURSONIC S1 Portable UV Toothbrush Sanitizer"
[videogames]|15:23 Johnny says, "Well, the spawning is/was apparently broken, and getting swarmed in a quiet spot is/was to be expected."
[D&D]|15:24 Roger says, "Also just got the files from Wizards officially"
[videogames]|15:26 Recchi exclaims, "Another game that won't let me just quietly picnic!"
[spam]|15:26 Roger says, "Shaping up to be a difficult speed-if"
[lounge]|15:26 Grocible enters the lounge, and then he burns his finger.
[lounge]|15:27 Grocible says, "evening"
[videogames]|15:28 K-Y says (to Recchi), "clearly you're looking for Seurat Quest"
[space]|15:28 olethros says, "no matter what I do these do not look like craters http://www.uahirise.org/images/2012/details/cut/ESP_026510_2310.jpg "
[space]|15:28 olethros says, "even rotating the image does not work"
[adventures]|15:29 Jota says, "So, according to Norton, The Sea Will Claim Everything trips their threat detection."
[adventures]|15:30 Jota says, "'There are many indications that this file is untrustworthy and therefore not safe.'"
[lounge]|15:30 Grocible says, "another quiet day on the MUD"
[space]|15:31 Roger says, "Try inverting the colours"
[lounge]|15:31 Roger says, "Ayup"
[adventures]|15:31 Johnny says, "MSE keeps asking me to warez them my games."
[adventures]|15:31 Gunther says, "I don't understand your use of the word Norton"
[space]|15:32 olethros says, "oh now I suddenly see it(in normal view"
[adventures]|15:32 vimes says, "'For example, the sea is large and full of salt water and therefore should not be installed in your computer.'"
[adventures]|15:32 K-Y says, "I'm amazed it took this long for a Humble Malware Bundle"
[adventures]|15:32 Gunther says, "ha ha"
[adventures]|15:32 Jota says (to Gunther), "I assume you're making a joke I don't get, but I mean Norton Security Suite. As in, Norton Anti-Virus."
[adventures]|15:33 Jota says, "The thing what checks files I download for viruses."
[adventures]|15:33 Gunther says, "I honestly had no idea anyone still used that"
[space]|15:33 olethros says, "man, sometimes it just swithces on me and I can't switch back"
[lounge]|15:33 GDorn goes home.
[space]|15:33 olethros says, "brain ... stuck"
[adventures]|15:33 Jota asks, "As opposed to what, MacAffee?"
[adventures]|15:34 Gunther says, "just Windows' included one"
[adventures]|15:34 BrenBarn says, "it seems like a lot of people just use free stuff like AVG"
[adventures]|15:34 Jota asks, "A) Windows includes antivirus? B) You would trust antivirus software made by *Miscrosoft*?"
[adventures]|15:34 Gunther says, "AVG is horrendous"
[adventures]|15:34 Gunther says (to Jota), "yes (well, free download), and yes"
[adventures]|15:34 vimes says, "a) microsoft security essentials b) it's actually *really good*, i have no idea who they bought it from"
[adventures]|15:35 Gunther says, "it's miles better than either McAfee or Norton"
[adventures]|15:35 Gunther says, "also, doesn't accidentally lock out all your system DLLs like AVG or whatever"
[adventures]|15:35 vimes says, "it's fast, it's low-resource, it's unobtrusive, it catches more viruses more reliably than McAfee or Norton according to every report I've seen"
[adventures]|15:35 Jota says (to vimes), "Huh. Weird."
[lounge]|15:35 Jearl When you see it, you have the tendency to eat this beauty ( with your eyes )
[adventures]|15:35 Gunther says, "(what vimes said is the reason I was suprpised)"
[adventures]|15:36 Johnny says (to vimes), "Maybe the people that made Mac Office."
[food]|15:36 Johnny says, "mac and cheese office"
[adventures]|15:37 Gunther says, "it also does malware, but not quite as in-depth as Spybot"
[adventures]|15:37 vimes says, "yeah, but you can run spybot every time a new 0-day flash vulnerability is announced and be pretty safe"
[adventures]|15:37 Gunther (to vimes) | In 2005, Microsoft acquired security software firm Sybari of Hauppauge, New York
[adventures]|15:38 Gunther asks, "by that, do you mean once every 10 minutes?"
[adventures]|15:38 vimes says, "no, no, they only announce them twice a day or something now"
[adventures]|15:38 vimes says, "their ISP throttled their bandwidth, yadda yadda"
[adventures]|15:39 Gunther says, "their security announcement server got hacked"
[adventures]|15:39 Johnny says, "0-half-day"
[adventures]|15:39 vimes says, "i have a weekly spybot scan scheduled, and ms security essentials also does a weekly full scan"
[adventures]|15:39 Gunther says, "I have MSSE set for consta-scan, I think"
[adventures]|15:39 Gunther says, "in addition"
[adventures]|15:39 vimes says, "sure, the live scanning"
[adventures]|15:40 vimes asks, "which causes IE to take about 30 seconds to finish downloading a file when it tries to save a file, but it doesn't affect firefox or chrome, so why would i care?"
[tangent]|15:41 zarf says, "when was '0-day' last a meaningful descriptor of a security problem? I have literally never seen discussion of a security issue that wasn't '0-day'."
[tangent]|15:41 Gunther says, "there are a few vulnerabilities where someone gave the company N time to react, then released the vulnerability"
[tangent]|15:42 Gunther says, "the last one I recall was like 6 months of stonewalling by whatever company it was"
[tangent]|15:42 vimes says, "0-day is supposed to suggest that the vulnerability was discovered either by immediate general announcement or by an exploit being found in the wild before white hats knew about the vulnerability"
[tangent]|15:42 vimes says, "as opposed to what gunther said"
[videogames]|15:43 Gunther |  DARK is seemingly actually a first-person RPG, in a horror setting. Focusing on stealth, you'll be playing as a vampire fighting against the GeoForge Corporation, using all your vampiric specialities to uncover their evil
[videogames]|15:43 Gunther asks, "*their* evil?"
[lounge]|15:46 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[law]|15:48 K-Y says, "so, following Motorola's injunctions on Microsoft"
[google]|15:49 katre says, "bad google, no biscuit"
[law]|15:49 Gunther asks, "on a stupid scale from oracle to sco, where would you rank it?"
[google]|15:49 katre says, "'september 13 + 60 days' really should work"
[google]|15:50 Gunther asks, "in what?"
[law]|15:50 K-Y says, "comes Microsoft's injunctions on Motorola"
[google]|15:50 katre says, "I can't think of any year after 1900 where it'd be different"
[google]|15:50 Gunther asks, "should work in what product?"
[google]|15:50 katre says, "in search"
[google]|15:50 katre says, "just like it does other math and conversions"
[google]|15:51 Jota says, "I don't get why you can't do math and convert units in the same search."
[google]|15:51 Gunther says, "you can! (60 * 24 * 24) seconds in days"
[google]|15:51 Gunther says, "for example"
[tangent]|15:52 zarf says, "mm okay"
[tangent]|15:52 zarf says, "I had a wrong conception of the term"
[www-sux]|15:54 marc says, "while i've been using nginx for ages on my server, i gotsta say: lighttpd is a joy to configure"
[www-sux]|15:54 marc says, "opted for the latter on my laptop as the config was so much easier"
[google]|15:55 Jota says, "But not '(60 seconds in days) * 24 * 24'."
[facebook]|15:55 zarf says, "searching for 'facebook' in google news headlines every day is a destructive habit and bad for my soul"
[law]|15:55 K-Y says, "it seems this is basically real in a way that the Xbox injunction was not"
[facebook]|15:57 K-Y says, "but the news hasn't been this much fun in ages"
[whiz-games]|15:57 Whizzard stretches.
[whiz-games]|15:58 Whizzard says, "<deep breath>"
[whiz-games]|15:58 Whizzard says, "Ok, 1 hour til review."
[whiz-games]|15:58 Whizzard says, "Wish me luck. It's very possible I won't have a job tonight."
[whiz-games]|15:59 Whizzard says, "I'm basically going to be asking to renegotiate my contract."
[videogames]|16:00 Recchi | DARK is seemingly actually
[videogames]|16:00 Recchi says, "Welp, I'm out"
[whiz-games]|16:01 Gunther says, "you'll emerge victorious"
[facebook]|16:03 K-Y says, "rarely have so many people gotten what was coming to them"
[facebook]|16:03 zarf says, "I don't agree that this mess is deserved"
[facebook]|16:04 zarf says, "not the 'nasdaq trading delays' mess, anyhow"
[facebook]|16:05 zarf says, "buying day-0 stock and expecting it to go up, sure, that's your problem"
[facebook]|16:05 Gunther says (to K-Y), "plus FREE additional Zynga crash schadenfreude"
[whiz-games]|16:05 Roger says, "Stick to your guns, my young son"
[facebook]|16:05 zarf says, "('day-0 stock' ha ha, must do something with that)"
[whiz-games]|16:05 zarf says, "good luck"
[whiz-games]|16:06 zarf says, "don't forget to pound your shoe on the table and demand Czechoslovakia"
[facebook]|16:07 Johnny says, "exploit stew"
[facebook]|16:07 Gunther says, "may I also recommend http://www.diablofans.com/blizz-tracker/ "
[facebook]|16:07 Gunther says, "which is all the responses from mods"
[whiz-games]|16:08 ghira says, "tell him you know a Sicilian"
[whiz-games]|16:09 Whizzard says, ""I will bury you!""
[whiz-games]|16:09 Whizzard says, "That would be the weirdest resignation ever."
[whiz-games]|16:09 Gunther says, "throwing a bloody horse head on the table"
[lounge]|16:10 Firion comes to visit the lounge just as a huge storm is blowing in. There's Alex playing a big manly shark wrangler and some people who are clearly labeled as snacks.
[whiz-games]|16:10 ghira says, "We'll be in Sicily tomorrow. We can put in a good word for you."
[whiz-games]|16:10 Whizzard says, "Heh, anyways, thanks guys. I'm off to the office. Gotta grab some grub before I fucking do this."
[I7]|16:10 Firion asks, "What's the command to increase the score again?"
[I7]|16:10 zarf says, "now the score is ..."
[lounge]|16:10 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[webgames]|16:10 Fang says, "haha, this is great http://adventure.gamism.org/gamer_mom/ "
[I7]|16:11 Firion asks, "now the score is increased by 1?"
[I7]|16:11 zarf says, "now the score is (score + 1), or increase score by 1, or increment score"
[I7]|16:11 zarf says, "it's just a variable"
[I7]|16:12 Firion says, "increase score by 1, so I had it right all along."
[I7]|16:12 Firion facepalms
[lounge]|16:13 Firion goes home.
[lounge]|16:13 Iain hasn't been here since April, I'm starting to get worried.
[lounge]|16:13 Iain says, "Evening"
[lounge]|16:13 Grocible says, "Eee ann"
[lounge]|16:14 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Iain"
[webgames]|16:16 Fang says, "and painful"
[I7]|16:17 Roger says, "That was short and sweet.  Well, short."
[jobs]|16:17 genericgeekgirl ponders why "military experience is a plus" for a bioinformatics analyst with a company that works on cancer medicine..
[jobs]|16:20 Johnny says, "We've a war on cancer."
[webgames]|16:22 Fang says, "I wonder if it's even possible to win"
[webgames]|16:22 Gunther says, "click the axe, click your family"
[videogames]|16:22 Recchi says, "I wonder if it's possible to get the World of Goo guy to say, "Nah, I'm good" to a bundle."
[lounge]|16:22 Jizaboz slithers away.
[D&D]|16:24 Roger says, "Elf wizard.  Casts 'light' at will.  Carries 10 torches."
[D&D]|16:28 Allen says, "he's a little insecure. Like the bard with 18 Chr and a fleshlight in this pack"
[law]|16:30 K-Y says (to Fang), "also, he was wrong again"
[law]|16:30 K-Y says, "as of today"
[law]|16:30 Fang says, "excellent"
[D&D]|16:31 Roger says, "Hunh; XP to level has increased.  Level 2 is 2000, level 3 is 6000."
[D&D]|16:33 Roger says, "Oh ho; I had thought 'advantage' and 'disadvantage' were just +2/-2.  I was so wrong."
[D&D]|16:33 Roger says, "It's roll another d20.  With advantage, take higher.  Disadvantage, lower."
[law]|16:34 K-Y says, "he was sure that Android infringed EP0669021"
[law]|16:34 K-Y says, "although I guess that was with the caveat that the judges are not comfortable with reading that patent so broadly"
[food]|16:36 zarf says, "bread in oven"
[food]|16:36 zarf says, "there will be cheese sandwiches tonight!"
[jobs]|16:36 Tale says, "When you have to go rogue, of course"
[law]|16:41 K-Y says, "this being the patent that covers compiling text strings for multiple-language translations into the same program"
[food]|16:42 Tale says, "That sounds good"
[weblogs]|16:42 Roger says, "Getting tweeted by people you've never heard of before is sort of weird"
[weblogs]|16:44 Roger says, "Also I'm more popular in Brazil than in Canada"
[I7]|16:47 Dave asks, "is there any news on the new version with the fancy language handling?"
[weblogs]|16:48 Tale asks, "What kind of blog do you have?"
[weblogs]|16:48 Roger says, "RPGs and D&D stuff"
[weblogs]|16:48 Roger says, "When it's not resting, which is often"
[D&D]|16:51 Roger says, "Standing up now costs 5' of movement.  That's sort of a nice change."
[D&D]|16:51 Jota asks, "Does it still provoke an AoO?"
[D&D]|16:51 Iain says, "But if you're a dwarf it only costs 3'"
[D&D]|16:51 Jota says (to Iain), "Ha ha."
[D&D]|16:52 Roger says, "Heh.  AoO seem to be gone as far as I can tell"
[lounge]|16:53 Nitku leaves.
[lounge]|16:54 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[lounge]|16:54 Ellison says, "hey all"
[D&D]|16:54 inky says (to Roger), "hmm, that is a pretty good idea"
[D&D]|16:55 Gunther says, "AoO are gone?!"
[D&D]|16:55 Roger says, "If they exist I haven't run across them yet"
[D&D]|16:55 Gunther says, "MY IMMERSION QQ"
[D&D]|16:56 Roger says, "Ha"
[D&D]|16:56 Roger says, "Less QQ more PEW PEW my friend"
[D&D]|16:56 Roger says, "For example in 'shooting while in melee' it only says that you suffer disadvantage on your attack, which is bad enough perhaps."
[D&D]|16:58 inky says, "hmm"
[D&D]|16:58 inky asks, "do fighters still have a way ot block people running past them?"
[D&D]|16:58 Gunther says, "hold out fist as a minor action"
[D&D]|16:59 Roger says, "There's an ability called Hold the Line which does that"
[D&D]|16:59 inky says, "also, unrelated, | This, and other slights and fiascoes, eventually led Mark to utter the despondent war cry we forever associate with his flamboyant yet strangely ineffective characters: "I'm 76 hit points you don't have to lose.""
[D&D]|16:59 inky says, "(needless to say, Mark played a lot of monks)"
[D&D]|17:00 Roger says, "Which... the Cleric of Moradin gets it at 3rd level for some reason."
[D&D]|17:00 Roger says, "Ha"
[security]|17:01 Gunther says, "wait wait wait wait wait wait what"
[webgames]|17:01 Lionheart says, "Well, I suppose slinking away from the table to go play World of Warcraft by herself is better than any other outcome I've gotten so far."
[security]|17:01 Gunther says, "this Yahoo! fuckup with the certificate was because"
[security]|17:01 Gunther asks, "are you sitting down?"
[security]|17:01 Gunther says, "Yahoo is launching"
[security]|17:01 Gunther says, "its own"
[security]|17:01 Gunther says, "browser"
[security]|17:01 Gunther says, "*SPLOOSH*"
[security]|17:01 inky says, "wow"
[security]|17:02 Gunther says, "(where "its own browser" means "plugin for actual browsers")"
[security]|17:02 Gunther says, " http://axis.yahoo.com/ "
[security]|17:02 Gunther says, "and literally the first thing they do is embed their private key in *SPLOOSH*"
[security]|17:02 Gunther says, "the company so stupid, my head exploded twice"
[lounge]|17:05 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Ellison"
[security]|17:05 Gunther says, "oops, left out half the sentence there -- a browser (presumably embedding webkit) for mobile devices, and a plugin for desktop devices"
[food]|17:07 zarf says, "the bread has gone tall"
[food]|17:07 Roger says, "Yo punch that down"
[politics]|17:08 Allen | Labrador, Otter at odds over closed GOP primary
[food]|17:08 zarf says, "yo yo"
[food]|17:08 zarf says, "in the oven, actuall"
[food]|17:09 Roger says, "Oh"
[yay]|17:09 Gunther says, " http://raumzeitlabor.de//sites/default/files/imagecache/wysiwyg_imageupload_blog_gesamtbreite/wysiwyg_imageupload/7/BratwurstIsMagic.jpg "
[politics]|17:09 inky says, "hooray"
[yay]|17:09 inky says, "ha ha"
[RC]|17:09 Roger says, "Speaking of buns in the oven, Tammy met with her obstetrician today"
[yay]|17:09 Gunther says, "yes, it's a horse meat bbq"
[RC]|17:10 Roger says, "Everything's going fine.  Sounds like she's going to have a bunch more ultrasounds over the next few months, which are fun."
[yay]|17:10 Jota asks, "What do you do with the horn?"
[yay]|17:10 Gunther says, "toothpicks"
[yay]|17:11 Roger says, "I'm more worried about the mane"
[lounge]|17:11 nothings flies into the lounge via TWA, losing his luggage 5 times in the process.
[lounge]|17:11 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[videogames]|17:12 Gunther asks, ""Lord of Ultima"??"
[videogames]|17:12 Gunther says, "You madmen, what have you done"
[cabal]|17:16 Grocible says, "man. life sucks"
[videogames]|17:17 Tale asks, "You play as Lord British?"
[RC]|17:18 inky says, "oh yeah"
[RC]|17:19 inky says, "the thing about someone being pregnant is they are pregnant long enough for me to forget about them being pregnant"
[RC]|17:22 Ellison says, "you're like the Memento guy except you go around tattooing bellies"
[RC]|17:23 Roger says, "Heh.  Well I haven't mentioned it much lately."
[lounge]|17:23 DavidW materializes out from a silver haze in the light.
[lounge]|17:24 DavidW says, "hi"
[lounge]|17:24 Ellison says, "hey DavidW"
[blogenfreude]|17:24 DavidW says, "This one kinda speaks for itself: | Embroidered Kanye West Tweets by Supervelma"
[lounge]|17:26 marc says, "hey dw"
[lounge]|17:28 DavidW says, "hey hey"
[cabal]|17:28 Hugo says, "Yeah, sometimes."
[videogames]|17:28 Fang says, "okay, unity of command is pretty cool"
[cabal]|17:29 Grocible says, "my Dad is dying mentally"
[cabal]|17:29 Grocible says, "Mum is stressed obviously"
[videogames]|17:29 Fang says, "I really want to buy it, but I feel like (a) it's going to take a lot of time to play and master"
[cabal]|17:29 Grocible says, "and a job I thought I had a good shot at... chances are looking bleak"
[videogames]|17:29 Fang says, "and (b) it'll probably be part of a steam sale and/or HiB"
[cabal]|17:31 Hugo says, "Luckily it usually has difficulty sustaining sucking for a truly unbearable length of time."
[cabal]|17:31 Grocible says, "for most of us, that's true"
[videogames]|17:36 K-Y says, "since I've never heard of it, the odds seem good"
[programming]|17:39 marc says, "interactive gcc compilation ~ http://gcc.godbolt.org/ "
[programming]|17:39 inky says, "you are the compiler!"
[programming]|17:40 inky says, "if statement comes down the pipe, quick, what do you do!"
[programming]|17:40 Johnny says, "Read that as godbutt"
[programming]|17:40 inky says, "ha ha"
[programming]|17:45 josh_g says, "sounds like a great Tetris / Pipe dreams crossover"
[lounge]|17:46 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|17:46 Olly says, "Hello, MUDniks."
[lounge]|17:47 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|17:47 * Tale has disconnected.
[lounge]|17:47 inky says, "olly olly oxenfrieze"
[programming]|17:47 josh_g asks, "also, am I forgetting something special about a main() function, or is it just refusing to build code with a main() ?"
[programming]|17:48 josh_g says, "it won't output anything for 'void main() {}'"
[programming]|17:48 josh_g says, "man I am so rusty at C++"
[programming]|17:48 Gunther asks, "int argc, char** argv?"
[programming]|17:48 inky says, "a bodyless function doesn't seem like it would do anything"
[programming]|17:48 inky says, "so you could optimize it out"
[lounge]|17:48 Olly | http://travelphotobase.com/i/USNE/NELC174.JPG
[programming]|17:48 josh_g says (to inky), "it'll give code for a bodyless function by any other name"
[programming]|17:49 Ellison says, "it is weird whenever anybody else mentions Pipe Dreams. it seemed to make such a small dent into videogame culture that it feels like something nobody else would remember."
[lounge]|17:49 Olly says, "Oxenfrieze."
[programming]|17:49 josh_g says (to Gunther), "also I'll try that. I knew I was forgetting how that was formatted, but didn't know it was required"
[programming]|17:49 Gunther says (to Ellison), "it is every hacking puzzle in every AAA title with hacking"
[lounge]|17:49 Roger says, "Heh"
[programming]|17:49 inky says, "yeah, it's expecting main to return int"
[programming]|17:49 Ellison says, "especially since there are all the clones and variations that could easily be more popular than that title"
[programming]|17:50 inky says, "(the exit code for the program)"
[programming]|17:50 Gunther says (to Ellison), "also we're all old"
[programming]|17:50 josh_g says, "aha, it had to be int main()"
[programming]|17:50 josh_g says, "not void"
[programming]|17:50 Gunther says, "and remember when LucasArts made games"
[programming]|17:50 josh_g says, "it doesn't mind if you ignore args"
[programming]|17:50 josh_g says, "also timing"
[programming]|17:50 Ellison says (to Gunther), "yeah...  still, I'm surprised there isn't a better known name for that kind of game"
[programming]|17:50 Olly says, "Johnny isn't old."
[programming]|17:51 Gunther says, "he didn't mention it."
[programming]|17:51 josh_g says, "I'm old enough"
[programming]|17:51 Hugo asks, "Wait Johnny's not old?"
[programming]|17:51 Hugo says, "I knew there was something I didn't trust about him."
[food]|17:52 zarf says, "yum bread"
[programming]|17:52 Olly says, "That's probably it."
[programming]|17:52 Ellison says, "now I'll hold out for Night Shift jokes that I won't even recognize since I never owned that one and when I eventually got a warezed copy, found I couldn't play it for longer than 20 seconds"
[programming]|17:52 inky says, "this doesn't seem to be processing the function body"
[ollyprattle]|17:53 Olly says, "I'm always kind of fascinated by sentences that can be contracted in two different ways."
[programming]|17:53 Gunther says (to Ellison), "oh man, Night Shift is so bad"
[ollyprattle]|17:53 Olly says, "I ran across some really good example recently, which I have forgotten."
[food]|17:54 inky says, "deliciously tall"
[ollyprattle]|17:54 Olly says, "A less good example is "Johnny isn't old.""
[food]|17:54 Gunther says, "baking on the shoulders of giants"
[food]|17:54 zarf says, "soon it will have cheese upon it"
[ollyprattle]|17:54 Olly says, "That one could also be written as "Johnny's not old.""
[ollyprattle]|17:55 Johnny says, "Johnny's not kobold."
[seattle]|17:55 Emily says, "Mariners tickets tonight"
[seattle]|17:56 Emily says, "I assume they will lose, but at least it's not totally rainy-looking right now"
[seattle]|17:56 DavidW asks, "Is that baseball?"
[seattle]|17:56 Emily says, "..dav.yes"
[seattle]|17:56 inky says, "sailing, hence the name"
[ollyprattle]|17:56 Olly grins.
[programming]|17:56 Ellison says (to Hugo), "don't trust anyone under 30"
[seattle]|17:56 inky says, "the stadium is filled with water to a depth of four feet and people get in gondalas and sail around"
[programming]|17:56 marc says, "i don't think void main() is actually legal c"
[ollyprattle]|17:56 Olly says, "Johnny isn't kobold."
[seattle]|17:56 inky says, "when they get near a member of the opposing team they splash them vigorously"
[programming]|17:56 marc says, "most compilers accept it, but i believe main is supposed to return int"
[seattle]|17:56 DavidW says (to inky), "Photos or it didn't happen."
[seattle]|17:57 Emily says (to inky), "I would go to that"
[programming]|17:57 josh_g says, "that makes sense"
[seattle]|17:57 Emily says, "also they did actually have staged naval battles sort of similar to that in the Roman Empire"
[seattle]|17:57 Gunther says, "I remember that"
[seattle]|17:57 Gunther says, "filling the colosseum with water"
[programming]|17:57 josh_g says, "I just haven't had to write a main() in C++ for years, and probably got away with void main() in whatever compiler I used in university"
[seattle]|17:57 DavidW says (to Emily), "I heard about that. Must've been crazy expense to do."
[seattle]|17:57 Gunther says, "also hopefully sharks"
[food]|17:57 Olly says, "Hooray for microorganisms."
[seattle]|17:57 maga says, "then I assume a bunch of people from Idaho and Everett come into town for the game, while the Seattleites all go 'wait, did we miss a soccer match?'"
[seattle]|17:57 DavidW says, "er expensive"
[seattle]|17:58 inky says (to DavidW), " http://goglocalmag.com/wp-content/gallery/valborg-2/water-fight.jpg "
[seattle]|17:58 inky says, "(actually this is surprisingly close to what I was imagining)"
[programming]|17:58 zarf says, "of course open-std.org is down"
[programming]|17:58 marc says, "d'oh"
[seattle]|17:58 Gunther says, "also the mariners have their own ninja elite attack team, the submariners"
[housing]|17:59 Olly says, "There is going to be another housing inspection next week."
[housing]|18:00 Olly says, "It is the third one this year (unless I've forgotten one)."
[programming]|18:01 zarf says, "I think you are wrong and main is allowed to be void by special declaration"
[housing]|18:01 inky asks, "wait, didn't you move mid-year?"
[cyoa]|18:01 Emily says, "unrelated to StoryNexus, and not yet ready for big publicity, but Varytale has at long last gone into a low-profile reader beta"
[cyoa]|18:01 Emily | http://beta.varytale.com/
[housing]|18:01 Olly says, "I moved pretty close to New Year's."
[cyoa]|18:01 maga says, "iiinteresting"
[cyoa]|18:02 Emily says, "(I'm not posting or tweeting about this until they give a go-ahead to do more)"
[housing]|18:02 inky says, "oh ok"
[cyoa]|18:02 Emily says, "yeah, it looked like it might be dead in the water af few times there"
[cyoa]|18:02 inky says, "I forget if this is by anyone we know"
[cyoa]|18:02 Emily says, "but apparently not"
[cyoa]|18:02 Emily says (to inky), "it's by the team of Ian Millington (Undum) and the Echo Bazaar guys"
[cyoa]|18:02 Emily says, "so two someones you at least sort of know"
[cyoa]|18:02 Emily says, "also there is content by me"
[programming]|18:03 marc says, "could be"
[seattle]|18:03 Iain says, "I thought actual Roman gladiatorial battles were not very similar to the TV show Gladiators, but now I'm not so sure."
[cyoa]|18:03 Emily says, "(though I wrote it months ago and I am kind of nervous to poke at it again lest I discover that I wrote it on crack)"
[cyoa]|18:03 Ellison says, "looks nice"
[cyoa]|18:03 Emily says, "(I'll have to work up nerve later)"
[housing]|18:03 Olly says, "They warned me before I moved in that there were lots of inspections."
[cyoa]|18:03 inky says, "wait, but I thought the storynexus thing is by them"
[cyoa]|18:03 Emily says (to inky), "it is"
[cyoa]|18:03 Ellison says, "after you smoke your crack"
[cyoa]|18:03 Emily says, "but it's a different project"
[cyoa]|18:03 inky says, "I guess they can have multiple things"
[cyoa]|18:03 zarf says, "*you choose!*"
[cyoa]|18:03 Emily says, "Varytale is more for doing Undum-style CYOA; StoryNexus is more for things like Echo Bazaar"
[cyoa]|18:04 inky says, "oh, ok"
[housing]|18:04 inky says, "hmm"
[cyoa]|18:04 Emily says, "(only in distinction to Undum it has a scripting language so you don't just have to learn some javascript and wing it)"
[housing]|18:04 inky says, "I think having a lot of inspections is probably healthy in some senses"
[programming]|18:04 marc says, "looks like you're right -- and that i was thinking of c++,"
[programming]|18:04 marc | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/legality-of-void-main.html
[housing]|18:04 inky says, "like it keeps people from letting their thing turn into a rat's nest"
[cyoa]|18:04 maga says, "man, this rate-this-part-of-the-book thing is making my skin crawl"
[cyoa]|18:05 Emily says, "I am sure that there will turn out to be some reason why this is still/also not what Jim Aikin wants to see people build for displaying CYOA on the web, but I will just have to wait and find out what that reason is, as a delightful surprise"
[cyoa]|18:05 Ellison |Your sister, Lettice, suffers daily from being named almost after a vegetable.
[cyoa]|18:05 Ellison says, "that is great"
[cyoa]|18:05 Iain says, "I can't tell if the rate-this-part part is part of the story or part of the system."
[housing]|18:05 Olly says, "Yes, probably."
[cyoa]|18:05 Emily says (to Iain), "system"
[housing]|18:05 Olly says, "It also keeps the people who own the building from letting things slide."
[cyoa]|18:05 Iain says, "It says "Befre finishing"."
[cyoa]|18:05 Emily says, "there's a lot of back-end metrics stuff around tracking which paths get picked most, which content people like, what the overall content quality is, etc"
[cyoa]|18:05 Emily says, "yeah, I've already reported that typo"
[housing]|18:06 Olly says, "(Some of the inspections are carried out by government agencies.)"
[cyoa]|18:06 Emily says (to Ellison), "thanks!"
[cyoa]|18:06 Iain says, "I think it's amazingly distracting to see the seconds ticking down at the side there."
[cyoa]|18:06 Iain says, "I'd suggest making it minutes only."
[cyoa]|18:07 Emily says, "THIS MUCH TIME UNTIL YOUR STORY ESPLODES"
[cyoa]|18:07 zarf says, "I am still simmering my plan to make a storynexus-ish game which is secretly Dominion"
[cyoa]|18:07 zarf says, "but I haven't gotten card mechanics that I like at all"
[cyoa]|18:07 zarf says, "(I don't want to *actually* use Dominion)"
[religion]|18:07 Roger says, "Reading Ecclesiastes 12.  Heavy stuff."
[cyoa]|18:07 inky says (to zarf), "buh"
[cyoa]|18:08 Emily says, "I am having a hard time imagining what you mean by that"
[religion]|18:08 olethros says, "nah, nothing new under the sun"
[cyoa]|18:08 zarf says, "good! Then when I do it, it probably won't have been done yet"
[religion]|18:08 Roger says, "No not that part"
[religion]|18:08 inky says, "ha ha"
[religion]|18:08 Olly asks, "All is vanity?"
[cyoa]|18:09 Gunther says, "hmm, in Dominion, you play the same deck over and over, so this must be reading the same thing over and over, i.e. Wheel of Time"
[cyoa]|18:09 Gunther says, "er, Sword of Truth"
[religion]|18:09 Roger says, "Immediately before that part, but yeah"
[religion]|18:10 Roger says, "The description of the astral plane stuff, etc"
[religion]|18:10 inky says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|18:11 Gunther says, "what the hell"
[videogames]|18:11 Gunther | 38 Studios And Big Huge Games Lay Off All Staff
[cyoa]|18:11 inky says, "well, you do in fact in echo bazaar read the same thing over and over again"
[videogames]|18:11 inky says, "well, 38 studios isn't surprising"
[videogames]|18:11 inky says, "is big huge games their development company? I thought they were somebody else"
[DustWorld]|18:11 DavidW says, "hm. Pueblo wouldn't open links I clicked on, giving an unhelpful error message. So I changed the browser from default browser to firefox, and now clicking on links appears to do nothing whatsoever, not even an error message now."
[videogames]|18:11 Gunther says, "subsidiary"
[videogames]|18:11 Gunther says, "379 people"
[cyoa]|18:12 maga says, "aie Echo Bazaar candle"
[videogames]|18:13 Gunther asks, "how do you have a pretty well selling game backed by EA and still end up bankrupt?"
[cyoa]|18:14 Iain says, "Overall this feels Choice of Games-ish."
[videogames]|18:14 josh_g asks, "you spent more to make it than you brought in as revenue?"
[cyoa]|18:14 Iain says, "Like it's CYOA with choices that affect stats that affect later stuff."
[videogames]|18:14 josh_g asks, "EA gave you the money you needed to develop, but left you with little or no royalties on sales?"
[cyoa]|18:14 Iain says, "This is pretty and has visible though sometimes obscure stats, inkle's stuff is pretty and has hidden stats."
[videogames]|18:14 josh_g says, "(I don't know what actually happened, just stating possibilities)"
[videogames]|18:14 Gunther says, "no, they had already developed most of it. EA published and advertised it"
[religion]|18:15 olethros asks, "astral plane?"
[cyoa]|18:15 Iain says, "There's something about this whole model that I'm not sure I like in some way I can't put my finger on."
[lounge]|18:15 marc says, "zzz"
[lounge]|18:15 marc goes home.
[lounge]|18:15 * marc has disconnected.
[videogames]|18:15 Gunther says, "it sold 1.2 million apparently"
[cyoa]|18:15 maga says (to Iain), "yeah, except that Choice of Games isn't designed to repeat scenes"
[lounge]|18:15 olethros says, "z"
[lounge]|18:15 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[videogames]|18:15 Gunther says, "(but "needed to" sell 3) - http://www.giantbomb.com/news/report-38-studios-lays-off-entire-staff-updated/4172/ "
[cyoa]|18:15 Iain says, "I've only tinkered with a couple of these books, I guess."
[religion]|18:15 Roger says, "This commentary is largely over my head but still interesting stuff"
[religion]|18:15 Roger | http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/21-Ecclesiastes/Text/Articles/Davis-Eccles12-Death-BS.pdf
[videogames]|18:15 josh_g says, "yeah, if they "needed" to sell 3 million, then they spent way too much money in production"
[videogames]|18:16 Gunther says, "what annoys me most is that Schilling is a tea party blowhard, except when it's about *his* own money."
[religion]|18:16 Lionheart says, "Oh, the death BS."
[religion]|18:16 inky says, "hee hee"
[videogames]|18:16 Gunther says, "unfortunately it's only he who deserves it, not everyone else"
[videogames]|18:16 inky says, "yeah, that's pretty ridiculous"
[videogames]|18:17 Gunther says, "(er, to lose it all)"
[videogames]|18:17 K-Y says, "quick, Kickstart the chapter 11"
[videogames]|18:17 inky says, "anyway, if you sell 1.2 million copies presumably you make like, I dunno, $40 million"
[cyoa]|18:17 Emily asks (of Iain), ""this model" meaning having visible stats (as opposed to inkle) or having stats at all?"
[cyoa]|18:17 Iain says, "Having stats, I think."
[cyoa]|18:17 Iain says, "I guess you're sort of building a character as you play."
[videogames]|18:17 inky says, "which is enough to pay ~250 $50k/yr for three years"
[cyoa]|18:17 Emily says, "(Alexis' term for this is "Quality-Based Narrative", which gets away from stats per se)"
[cyoa]|18:17 Emily says, "well"
[cyoa]|18:17 Emily says, "hrm"
[videogames]|18:18 Gunther says, "I guess the thing that an analyst would call "fucking stupid" is doing an MMO"
[videogames]|18:18 Gunther says, "because you can't beat WoW, period, end of story."
[cyoa]|18:18 Iain says, "As opposed to simple world-model changes, like picking up or not picking up an item."
[cyoa]|18:18 inky asks, "isn't having stats = having state?"
[cyoa]|18:18 inky says, "hmm"
[videogames]|18:18 Gunther says, "and neither will Funcom, and neither will Bethesda."
[cyoa]|18:18 Emily says, "that really depends. in the Choice of Games books arguably you are; in my Varytale thing you have a pretty set character and your choices, stats etc. are more about what plot elements you've hit and what relationships you've developed"
[videogames]|18:18 josh_g says, "I dunno, seems like the sort of thing people said about Everquest"
[cyoa]|18:18 Emily says, "there's nothing inherent about the model that forces you to use it one way or the other"
[videogames]|18:18 inky says, "well, you don't have to"
[videogames]|18:19 inky says, "you just have to make a profitable game"
[cyoa]|18:19 Iain says, "Right, the fundamental model is obviously flexible."
[videogames]|18:19 josh_g says, "also ==inky"
[lounge]|18:19 josh_g says, "also why am I still chatting instead of leaving"
[lounge]|18:19 josh_g will call him Pootel; Henry Pootel for short.
[cyoa]|18:19 Iain says, "It may just be that I'm not into the Echo Bazaar-ish vibe (not having played it)."
[cyoa]|18:19 Emily says, "but I don't really care for stateless CYOA because it gets way too hard to have the degree of variation and agency I want"
[videogames]|18:19 Gunther says, "allow me to present evidence A: Star Wars"
[cyoa]|18:19 Iain says, "Oh, sure."
[religion]|18:20 Lionheart glances over the headings in the article. "I think I disagree with most of this article's 'principles'."
[videogames]|18:20 inky says, "that's sort of a special case, but yeah"
[cyoa]|18:20 Iain says, "One thing is, I really want UNDO! Strip-mining the state space is lame, and yet I have this urge to do it anyway. Stick my figures in the pages of the book so I can flip back and try another path."
[videogames]|18:21 inky says, "most people shouldn't be planning on having WoW-type subscriber numbers, so they shouldn't be spending as though they were going to"
[cyoa]|18:21 maga says, "I think I generally like picking things that are not character-creation in state-tracking-CYOA, mostly because it forces a lot of carefully generic character writing"
[videogames]|18:21 inky says, "star wars in specific I can see an argument being made for go big or go home"
[cyoa]|18:21 maga says, "(unless you have someone who is extraordinarily good at it, which I have yet to see)"
[cyoa]|18:21 inky says (to maga), "hmm"
[cyoa]|18:22 Iain asks (of maga), "Or unless the text is incredibly heavily annotated and adaptable, so it reflects your stats?"
[cyoa]|18:22 inky asks, "you mean, you want to see the state be about decisions and not personal attributes or something?"
[cyoa]|18:22 Emily says, "I think it's possible to create multiple bookmarks in Varytale"
[videogames]|18:22 Gunther says, "well, the question is, how do you keep subscriber numbers up without constantly adding stuff"
[cyoa]|18:22 maga says (to Iain), "well, yes, that'w what I mean by 'extraordinarily good', largely"
[religion]|18:22 Roger says, "He quotes Proverbs here, a passage I don't recognize, and it amuses me:"
[religion]|18:22 Olly asks (of Lionheart), "Which besides number six?"
[religion]|18:22 Roger | As the sluggard says: there is a lion in the way, and under this pretence remains slothfully at home
[religion]|18:22 Roger says, "Sorry can't work today; lions"
[lounge]|18:22 Rotonoto arrives from the east.
[cyoa]|18:23 Iain says (to maga), "Hmm, I thought you meant well-written ambiguous (or neutral) text; I meant text that automatically changes."
[religion]|18:23 Gunther says, "ITYM "LIONS! *click*""
[videogames]|18:23 Gunther asks, "and, in turn, how do you keep adding stuff without spending more moneY?"
[lounge]|18:23 Olly says, "Hello, Rotonoto."
[religion]|18:23 Lionheart says, "One and Three, Two..."
[cyoa]|18:23 inky says, "or just writing the equivalent of a bunch of "if you're super-strong, turn to page 37; otherwise, turn to page 49""
[cyoa]|18:23 Iain says, "Heh"
[religion]|18:24 Olly asks (of Lionheart), "You don't agree that all living things die?"
[videogames]|18:24 Gunther says, "you MIGHT be able to pull that off with some awesome license. Except Star Wars is failing pretty badly, though at this point I'm not sure I'd still call it an awesome license."
[cyoa]|18:24 maga says (to Iain), "well-done ambiguous text too, but if that's all you're relying on then I think that's a huge limitation"
[cyoa]|18:24 Iain says, "Grf, I need to hack something up for this Boston meet."
[lounge]|18:24 Rotonoto says, "Hello, Olly. And everyone."
[religion]|18:25 Lionheart says, "That ain't necessarily so."
[videogames]|18:25 K-Y says, "I wonder how that DC thing is doing"
[religion]|18:25 Olly asks, "Is this a David Hume kind of thing?"
[videogames]|18:25 K-Y says, "(how did 'superhero MMO' become a subgenre)"
[cyoa]|18:26 DavidW says, "I think ultimately, my problem with Echo Bazaar was the well-done ambiguous text. After a while, I felt that I was on a treadmill that didn't actually take me anywhere."
[videogames]|18:26 inky says, "I think it's gone F2P"
[videogames]|18:26 Johnny says, "City of Heroes."
[religion]|18:26 Lionheart says, "There are seagrasses in the Mediterranean Sea as much as 200,000 years old."
[videogames]|18:26 Johnny says, "Yeah, and people who paid for it have some kind of primo status."
[videogames]|18:26 K-Y says, "also hilariously I think the DC MMO is still basically pre-reboot continuity"
[videogames]|18:26 inky says, "anyway, you have to keep adding stuff, that seems obvious"
[videogames]|18:27 inky says, "but presumably you also want to create a system that has extensive play and takes a while to master"
[religion]|18:27 Olly says (to Lionheart), "That's pretty cool."
[religion]|18:27 Lionheart says, "If we survive long enough to bring about the Singularity, perhaps we too can get that old."
[religion]|18:28 maga says, "'geek rapture', please"
[videogames]|18:28 K-Y says, "there must be some kind of scale of how expensive content is to add"
[religion]|18:28 Lionheart says (to maga), "Hehe, sure."
[religion]|18:28 Roger says, "Hmmm for the purposes of this analysis I'm not sure if these things need to be true, or if merely the author (Solomon) need believe them to be true"
[videogames]|18:28 K-Y says, "easy: spaceships"
[videogames]|18:28 Gunther says, "I would love to find out more but it's already 12:30am"
[videogames]|18:28 Ellison says, "it's a bad sign when IP's like Star Wars and Conan aren't guaranteed success, considering the niche interests that some of these MMOs cater to"
[videogames]|18:28 Gunther says, "so, perhaps tomorrow"
[lounge]|18:28 Gunther says, "night"
[videogames]|18:28 K-Y says, "medium: character models"
[lounge]|18:28 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
[videogames]|18:29 K-Y says, "prohibitive: Myst ages"
[religion]|18:29 Lionheart says (to Olly), "Accept that 'all die' if you want, I'm going to live forever or die trying."
[religion]|18:29 Olly says, "Said seagrasses will probably not survive the extinction of the sun or the the heat death of the universe."
[religion]|18:30 Roger says, "So far, so good"
[lounge]|18:30 GDorn has dominated in recent years with "kick kicking," a kick-based form of combat.
[lounge]|18:30 Olly says, "Hello, GDorn."
[security]|18:30 GDorn says, "hrm.  my linode put out 5.89Mb/s for two hours"
[religion]|18:30 Lionheart says (to Olly), "Yeah, they won't beat the extinction of the sun, but we could."
[videogames]|18:30 inky says, "sure, more art assets are expensive, and changing the core code is expensive"
[security]|18:31 GDorn says, "caused enough load that it crashed a couple of my long-running apps and disconnected me from the mud"
[religion]|18:31 Olly says (to Lionheart), "Yes, I believe that."
[cyoa]|18:31 Iain says, "I belatedly see that the Qualities are actually Debug Qualities."
[cyoa]|18:31 Iain says, "At least in this story I'm now reading."
[lounge]|18:31 Olly is the MUDder formerly known as Mary.
[security]|18:31 GDorn says, "found a couple of 'std' processes being run by www-data and eating up a lot of cpu time."
[security]|18:32 GDorn says, "this happened a while back and I discovered that root was being allowed in via SSH, so I closed that down and killed the scripts the intruder stuck in /tmp to do whatever"
[lounge]|18:32 GDorn says, "oh, hello"
[cyoa]|18:33 Emily says, "I suspect that means that they are affecting your experience but that in the long run the author intends to conceal them"
[security]|18:33 GDorn says, "sure enough, the scripts are back in /tmp"
[security]|18:33 GDorn says, "somebody's breaking in, I don't know how, and I don't know how to stop it."
[videogames]|18:34 K-Y says, "there's something to be said about there being too many games period"
[cyoa]|18:34 Iain says, "Ah, I see, they're intentionally visible in Bee."
[cyoa]|18:34 Emily says, "yes"
[religion]|18:34 Olly says, "I suppose I see how, if you disbelieve number one, numbers three and four fail, too."
[videogames]|18:34 K-Y says, "I imagine that there once was a time when a single richly embellished environment could keep people engrossed for years"
[security]|18:34 vimes says, "well, run by www-data strongly implies it's a bulnerability in your web server and/or application code therein"
[religion]|18:34 Olly says, "As they are written, at least."
[lounge]|18:34 Jearl showed up at a club in Las Vegas (four hours late, naturally), performed three rhymes of incomparably nerdish and lead-footed white-boyness, and promptly fell off the stage.
[lounge]|18:35 Jearl says, "hello"
[lounge]|18:35 Olly says, "Hello, Jearl."
[cyoa]|18:35 maga says, "damn you, Father, I'm going to write this gosh-dern newsletter if I have to save up two actions to do it"
[security]|18:35 GDorn says, "I'm running apache2, but very few apps on top of that"
[videogames]|18:36 K-Y says, "which again suggests that the current market is flat out punishing certain kinds of games"
[cyoa]|18:36 Iain says, "Heh"
[security]|18:36 GDorn says, "shit.  found the payload.  this time it's a phishing scam, so they were at least trying to send out a lot of email"
[videogames]|18:36 vimes says, "was there a big shakeup in the videogame world in the last couple of days?  i have five friends in the videogame business, in widely varied companies, who were all laid off without prejudice yesterday"
[security]|18:36 GDorn says, "and also trying to host a page on my site to phish people with"
[lounge]|18:36 Ellison says, "hey Jearl"
[religion]|18:36 Lionheart says (to Olly), "Heat death of the universe will be trickier, but hopefully when we work out how our universe came to be, it'll be a replicable process. Perhaps our descendants well beat that rap by producing black holes and spawning new universes."
[videogames]|18:37 maga says, "well, a lot of people are saying that Facebook means social media is doomed, but not necessarily tech people"
[videogames]|18:37 K-Y says, "well, all of a sudden coins stopped coming out of those floating boxes"
[videogames]|18:37 Ellison asks (of vimes), "you mean, besides this 38 Studios thing?"
[religion]|18:37 Lionheart says, "Even that, the jury's not in yet."
[videogames]|18:37 maga says, "and five minutes before that people were saying that all non-social-media tech was doomed because nobody wanted to invest in anything except social media"
[videogames]|18:37 vimes says, "(whoops, didn't mean to hijack)"
[security]|18:38 GDorn says, "I'm going to assume it's a php vulnerability and just kill php entirely."
[videogames]|18:38 maga says, "so the takeaway is that journalists like to write articles that may be summarised as 'Everything Is On Fire, Panic, Panic'"
[religion]|18:38 Olly says, "How about five?  Most people probably agree with two or five."
[videogames]|18:38 vimes says (to Ellison), "yeah, only one of them worked for 38 Studios"
[religion]|18:39 Lionheart says (to Olly), "Yeah, I'm all for Five."
[videogames]|18:39 maga asks, "so what are these numbers?"
[videogames]|18:39 maga says, "ilac"
[religion]|18:39 maga asks, "so what and where are these numbers?"
[religion]|18:40 Olly | http://tinyurl.com/bng46ag
[videogames]|18:40 Ellison says (to vimes), "I imagine that 38 Studios has just injected a sense of doom-and-gloom into the air, but who knows? also, I guess if any of those companies were making social media games, maybe they were scared by Facebook's stock showing not being as strong as expected"
[religion]|18:40 Olly says, "In this article on Ecclesiastes that Roger linked to."
[religion]|18:41 Olly says, "I agree with Roger that the author of the article is not necessarily asserting that these principles are true, only that they are part of the argument of the author of Ecclesiastes."
[religion]|18:41 Lionheart says, "Forget pie in the sky when you die, I'm going for immortality right here in the real world, baby."
[religion]|18:41 Olly says, "That's no reason that one can't disagree with them, though."
[religion]|18:42 Olly says, "I'm interested in pie in the resurrection, more than pie in the sky."
[religion]|18:43 Lionheart says, "Ooh, don't eat zombie pie, you might catch it."
[religion]|18:44 maga says, "play nice, children"
[videogames]|18:45 inky says, "hmm"
[religion]|18:45 Roger says, "The bit about the almond tree was interesting; I hadn't figured that out on my own."
[religion]|18:45 Alex awwwks. "Want cork nut!"
[religion]|18:45 Olly says, "Ha ha."
[religion]|18:46 Lionheart gives Alex an etrog of knowledge of good and evil.
[videogames]|18:46 inky says, "there may be some thing where people release earnings in april after Q1 and then investors are shocked and then six weeks later they fire people to "fix" it"
[kitties]|18:47 Allen says, "Squeak's favorite kind of cat food is:"
[kitties]|18:47 Allen says, "'Whatever some other cat is eating'"
[tangent]|18:47 Olly says, "Almond honey is very pale in color, but very bitter."
[kitties]|18:47 inky says, "ha ha"
[tangent]|18:47 Olly says, "It tastes a bit like cough syrup."
[videogames]|18:47 baf says, "It suddenly strikes me that the Avengers -- the movie version, at least -- actually has a pretty good specialization set for a MOBA game."
[food]|18:48 Allen says, "Whole Foods has 'Vegan Cane Sugar'"
[kitties]|18:48 inky says, "the catfood we were buying for one of the cats switched shapes and now the cat is all irritated"
[food]|18:48 Allen says, "(person in front of me bought it in checkout)"
[kitties]|18:48 inky says, ""what is this spherical bullshit""
[food]|18:48 Allen asks, "is there non-vegan?"
[food]|18:48 inky says, "hmm, IIRC bone meal is used in preparing sugar somehow"
[tangent]|18:48 Roger says, "Hunh"
[food]|18:48 Olly asks, "Maybe something that is used to promote crystallization?"
[lounge]|18:49 Lionheart arrives from the Toyshop, pursued by a Stomper 4x4.
[lounge]|18:49 Lionheart gives an etrog of knowledge of good and evil to Alex.
[food]|18:49 inky | In the past a material called 'bone char' was used extensively to remove colour from raw cane sugar in the refining process. Modern technology has largely replaced bone char decolourisation but it is still used in a few refineries so one cannot be categoric about refined cane sugar being suitable for all people's points of view. It is not used in making white beet sugar and it is not used in making raw cane sugar.
[food]|18:49 inky says, "(bone char being charcoal made from bones, basically)"
[food]|18:49 Allen says, "ah"
[food]|18:50 Olly says, "New facts.  Nom nom nom."
[food]|18:50 inky says, "but I wouldn't be surprised if vegan cane sugar is regular cane sugar + 50c/lb"
[food]|18:50 Roger says, "Where's my vegan bone china"
[videogames]|18:51 baf says, "Hulk's your tank, Hawkeye has long-range attacks, Iron Man is the fast-response specialist who probably spends most of the game jungling until he's needed somewhere. (A character like him wouldn't stay in his lane anyway.) Captain America, with that shield of his, could be a support unit capable of deflecting damage to others."
[food]|18:51 Olly says (to inky), "Probably regular cane sugar that is not sourced from those refineries."
[food]|18:51 inky says, "whoah, bone china actually is made from bones"
[food]|18:51 inky says, "I assumed it was called that because it was white"
[food]|18:52 Roger says, "Glad I could broaden someone's horizons today"
[videogames]|18:52 baf says, "Black Widow doesn't really fit into this scheme. As a spy-type, her obvious specialization would be cloaking/stealth, but she doesn't really do that in the movie."
[food]|18:52 DavidW says (to inky), "nope'"
[videogames]|18:52 inky says, "black widow is the five levels lower character you let tag along for extra xp"
[videogames]|18:52 Roger says, "Token halfling"
[videogames]|18:52 zarf says, "No, she's off in the next scene, setting up plot in your earphone"
[food]|18:52 Olly says, "I'll grind his bones to make my teacups."
[food]|18:52 inky says, "ha ha"
[food]|18:52 Roger says, "ps lead crystal has lead in it"
[videogames]|18:52 Fang says, "Captain America is a bard, surely"
[videogames]|18:53 baf says, "Like I said: a support unit."
[D&D]|18:54 inky says (to Roger), "that reminds me that in the 2e dmg or phb, there's some line about"Rath casts acid arrow at the lead troll""
[D&D]|18:54 inky says, "which made me think for years that trolls had different types like how you have stone giant, hill giant, etc"
[D&D]|18:54 Roger says, "Hah"
[D&D]|18:54 zarf says, "heh"
[D&D]|18:55 vimes says, "ha ha"
[D&D]|18:55 Roger says, "There was a line in Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh that said a library had eleven books in it, but I misread it as 'elven books' about thirty times in a row."
[D&D]|18:55 vimes says, "that seems like an awesome way to make electricity"
[D&D]|18:55 inky says, "(Rath casts acid arrow at the lead troll! Rath casts acid arrow at the zinc troll! zzzaap!)"
[D&D]|18:55 inky says (to Roger), "ha ha"
[D&D]|18:55 vimes says (to inky), "exactly. also, maybe that already works in nethack"
[D&D]|18:56 zarf says, "Clearly lithium trolls are psionic"
[D&D]|18:56 Roger says, "Never give your plays a gold troll because they'll keep chopping off parts and selling them"
[D&D]|18:56 Roger says, "players, too"
[D&D]|18:56 inky says, "oops, I guess it's lead on its own or copper + zinc"
[D&D]|18:56 Olly says, "If D&D had been invented 50 or 60 years earlier, a lead troll could have been one of those little figures that people use when playing."
[D&D]|18:56 inky says (to Roger), "man"
[D&D]|18:56 zarf says, "thus, the lithium Ioun troll"
[D&D]|18:56 inky says, "ha ha boo"
[D&D]|18:56 zarf says, "(could have been funnier)"
[D&D]|18:57 Roger says, "That was a long walk off a short pier"
[D&D]|18:57 vimes says, "all this suggests there are antitrolls, too"
[D&D]|18:58 Olly asks, "What are those figures for, anyway?"
[D&D]|18:58 Roger asks, "Wargames?"
[D&D]|18:58 baf says, "Combat tactics."
[D&D]|18:58 Roger says, "Even further tangentially, I vaguely remember some argument I had when I was six with my cohorts about whether you could get lead poisoning from a pencil"
[D&D]|18:58 inky says, "oh yeah, that was a thing"
[D&D]|18:59 vimes says, "often resulting in someone stabbing someone else with a pencil"
[D&D]|18:59 inky says, "where by "that" I mean "people getting stabbed with pencils""
[D&D]|18:59 inky says, "ha ha"
[D&D]|18:59 Olly says, "I have a tattoo on my palm from stabbing myself with a pencil."
[D&D]|18:59 vimes says, "hee hee"
[D&D]|18:59 zarf says, "I have at least four"
[D&D]|19:00 baf says, "When I played 1e D&D as a kid, everyone liked having minis but we never really used them to play, because the rules were unclear about how. In 3e, you use them all the time, because the combat rules are all about positioning."
[D&D]|19:00 zarf says, "that I can see"
[D&D]|19:00 vimes says, "i have a spot on my palm from where laura stabbed me with a pencil while flailing at a spider"
[videogames]|19:00 Fang | In incredibly bad news, it?s been announced tonight that 38 Studios, and its wholly owned subsidiary Big Huge Games (Age Of Empires III, Rise Of Nations), are laying off their entire workforce. The Curt Schilling-owned enterprise was in a noticeably shaky state earlier this month when it was unable to make a repayment for a massive $75m loan it had taken from Rhode Island state in 2010, despite decent sales of Kingdoms Of Amular, and great promises of an MMO to come. Having just managed to make this repayment, staff began to notice that something was still up as paychecks failed to arrive in bank accounts, and health insurances were running out. And now, in a rather unpleasantly brisk email, they?ve learned that all 379 of them are immediately out of a job.
[D&D]|19:00 Roger says, "Oh and I remember the first time I saw a crank pencil sharpener and I was so impressed I sharpened a whole box down to nothing"
[D&D]|19:00 zarf says, "it's a little scary when you think that the last time I used a pencil regularly was 1985."
[D&D]|19:00 inky asks, "do you use pens now, or nothing now?"
[D&D]|19:00 vimes says, "i still write with a pencil by preference"
[D&D]|19:00 zarf says, "pens"
[D&D]|19:01 Roger says, "I think the last time I used one was for D&D"
[D&D]|19:01 inky says, "I prefer pencils but I'm not sure I really erase all that much"
[lounge]|19:01 Grocible goes home.
[lounge]|19:01 * Grocible has disconnected.
[D&D]|19:01 vimes says, "i haven't yet found a pen that writes a fine line smoothly and reliably"
[D&D]|19:01 vimes says, "sorry, a roller or felt tip pen"
[D&D]|19:01 inky says, "I bet ctate would say the answer is to buy a more expensive pen"
[D&D]|19:01 Olly says, "Math professors get mad at people who use pens."
[D&D]|19:02 vimes says, "certainly i can do that with a dip or fountain pen, but they are less portable than you might imagine"
[security]|19:02 GDorn says, "wtf is this:"
[security]|19:02 GDorn | [24/May/2012:14:42:11 -0700] "CONNECT 213.92.8.7:31204 HTTP/1.0" 302 283 "-" "-"
[D&D]|19:02 zarf says, "I do use mechanical pencils for puzzle-solving, I guess"
[security]|19:02 GDorn says, "that's preceeded by my linode address, in /var/log/other_vhosts_access.log"
[D&D]|19:02 baf says, "I use pencils quite a lot, mostly for quick notes."
[D&D]|19:02 zarf says, "but that's only a couple of weekends a year"
[D&D]|19:02 vimes says (to Olly), "my father has a phd in math and is most of the way to one in physics and has never used a pencil for anything math-related"
[security]|19:02 GDorn says, "er, /var/log/apache2/"
[D&D]|19:02 zarf says, "anyway, tattooing: lasts a long time."
[security]|19:02 vimes says, "proxy"
[D&D]|19:03 Roger says, "He keeps assuming spherical pencils which make them not so useful"
[security]|19:03 vimes says, "hee hee"
[D&D]|19:03 Olly says (to vimes), "There exist math professors who get mad at people who use pens."
[D&D]|19:03 inky says, "ha ha"
[security]|19:03 vimes says, "assume a spherical angry math professor"
[security]|19:03 vimes says, "ilac"
[D&D]|19:03 vimes says, "assume a spherical angry math professor"
[D&D]|19:03 Roger says, "I remember when erasable pens were a big deal.  I can't recall having seen them for a while though."
[D&D]|19:04 vimes says, "(i also never erase my pencil scratchings)"
[D&D]|19:04 Roger says, "Determine the tangent of apoplexy"
[D&D]|19:04 vimes says, "hulk get mad!  hulk get strong!  hulk mass inrease exponentially to hulk's height!"
[D&D]|19:04 inky says, "hmm"
[D&D]|19:05 Olly is very amused.
[D&D]|19:05 inky says, "I think erasable pens are for the specific case where you are doing an essay in college in they insist you use pen"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:05 DavidW says, "Chuck Jones Centre for Creativity signage: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/553586_10150847732550687_133410920686_10110252_982828241_n.jpg "
[D&D]|19:05 zarf says, "only polynomially"
[apropos-of-nothing]|19:05 DavidW says, "s/Centre/Center/"
[D&D]|19:05 Roger says, "Troll Hulk would be pretty scary"
[tangent]|19:06 Olly says, "I think human beings are tori, though."
[tangent]|19:06 Olly says, "Likewise chickens and rabbits."
[webgames]|19:07 Fang says, "holy shit, the Gamer Mom source code"
[webgames]|19:07 Fang says, "check out the comments http://adventure.gamism.org/gamer_mom/gm.js "
[ollyprattle]|19:08 Olly says, "I like my new drugs."
[videogames]|19:10 K-Y says (to baf), " https://www.facebook.com/avengersalliance "
[ollyprattle]|19:10 Roger asks, "What are you on?"
[ollyprattle]|19:10 Olly says, "Lithium."
[weird-science]|19:11 DavidW | Scientists from the University of Hawaii at Manoa have developed tiny laser-driven robots made of air bubbles
[ollyprattle]|19:11 maga says, "I've heard that called the gold standard by bipolar people I know"
[ollyprattle]|19:12 Olly says, "It is a very common treatment for bipolar disporder."
[weird-science]|19:12 DavidW says, " http://www.reuters.com/video/2012/05/24/bubble-robots-conjured-from-thin-air?videoId=235559993&videoChannel=6 "
[ollyprattle]|19:12 Olly says, "I am probably not bipolar."
[videogames]|19:12 baf says, "Hm. I'm having trouble telling what genre of game that is."
[ollyprattle]|19:13 Olly says, "It is used sometimes for unipolar depression that hasn't responded to other treatments, though."
[ollyprattle]|19:13 Roger says, "Sounds like it's helping you, so that's great."
[ollyprattle]|19:13 maga says, "certainly I've never seen you manic, yeah"
[ollyprattle]|19:14 Olly says, "Yes.  I haven't wanted to kill myself in more than two weeks."
[security]|19:14 GDorn says, "yeah, I'm pretty sure it's some kind of hole in mod_proxy."
[ollyprattle]|19:15 maga says, "that's excellent"
[security]|19:15 GDorn says, "there's a bunch of CONNECT statements right around the timestamps on the files in /tmp"
[ollyprattle]|19:15 Olly says, "I've also had some success doing math again, which I haven't been able to do in about three years because of crushing anxiety."
[ollyprattle]|19:16 Olly says, "That improvement may be caused by some other things, too, but I think the lithium is probably helping."
[ollyprattle]|19:17 maga says, "well, any workable solution usually needs to be multifactorial"
[security]|19:17 GDorn says, "for extra fun, I replaced the two dirs in /tmp with empty, non-executable files owned by root"
[security]|19:18 GDorn says, "since whatever script they're using keeps using the same filenames"
[videogames]|19:18 inky says, "I think it's the kind of game where you start out making a lot of progress at the beginning, and then gradually it slows down, and you have to refer your friends or pay real money to keep going"
[videogames]|19:19 Iain says, "Take it to #scientology"
[videogames]|19:19 inky says, "ha ha"
[ollyprattle]|19:19 Olly says, "I think it makes my dog happier, too."
[ollyprattle]|19:19 inky asks, "math does?"
[ollyprattle]|19:19 Olly says, "Me having new meds."
[lounge]|19:20 Firion has seen a million lounges, and he's rocked them all.
[ollyprattle]|19:20 Olly says, "Because I don't just stare blankly at him when he wants my attention."
[lounge]|19:20 Olly says, "Hello, Firion."
[ollyprattle]|19:20 Johnny says, "Maybe there's a contact high."
[ollyprattle]|19:20 inky says, "oh hunh"
[cars]|19:20 Ryan says, "Just got the following voicemail from a local Toyota dealer I've done business with in the past: "We're just calling to thank you for bringing in your 2002 Prius, or if you're unable to keep your appointment, please call to reschedule.""
[lounge]|19:20 Johnny says, "Hi Firion"
[minicomp]|19:20 Firion says, "This is gonna sound stupid, but is it OK that I ask my game not be played on ClubFloyd? At least until I've gone over and polished it up."
[ollyprattle]|19:20 Olly says, "I didn't do that all the time before, but sometimes I did."
[cars]|19:20 Ryan says, "(I have no appointment. The call was from an actual person, not a computer. I am very confused.)"
[webgames]|19:21 Jearl says, "dang"
[minicomp]|19:21 maga says, "yeah, there's no obligation that anything be played on Floyd"
[webgames]|19:21 Jearl says, "I feel pretty bad for this author"
[minicomp]|19:22 Johnny says, "There's actually a two week polishing period."
[cars]|19:22 Allen says, "a real person?? wacky"
[minicomp]|19:22 maga says, "that too"
[minicomp]|19:22 Firion asks, "You mean after it's submitted?"
[minicomp]|19:22 maga says, "after it's submitted we go into a betatesting phase, yes"
[ollyprattle]|19:22 Olly says, "That's bad for children, so it is probably bad for dogs, too."
[minicomp]|19:23 Firion asks, "So is the beta phase the same as the polishing period?"
[lounge]|19:23 Rotonoto goes home.
[minicomp]|19:23 maga says, "yes"
[cars]|19:24 inky asks, "do you have a 2002 prius, at least?"
[minicomp]|19:24 Firion says, "All right."
[lounge]|19:24 Olly says, "I need to go do other stuff."
[lounge]|19:24 Olly says, "Ciao, MUDniks."
[lounge]|19:24 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[law]|19:30 Allen | New Jersey Attorney General Jeffrey S. Chiesa concluded on Thursday that the New York City police did not violate New Jersey laws when they controversially conducted surveillance of Muslim communities,
[cars]|19:30 Ryan says, "Yeah, they got my car right."
[lounge]|19:33 Iain leaps astride a mountain pony and gallops off bareback for reinforcements.
[religion]|19:33 Allen | On Monday, Egypt's State Security Court sentenced 12  Christians to life in prison after they were found guilty of  sowing public strife, possessing illegal weapons and killing two Muslims in Minya province last April. Eight Muslims were acquitted of possessing illegal weapons and burning down Christian-owned homes and businesses.
[religion]|19:34 Allen says, "the violence was caused by a recently installed speed bump outside of a christian businessman's home"
[religion]|19:34 Allen says, "the sentences can't be appealed"
[religion]|19:34 Allen says, "that sounds reasonable to me. DOWN WITH SPEED BUMPS"
[quotations]|19:36 Jon | Marvel's Avengers Assemble film is an elaborate commentary on the reduced funding the Space Program received in the last budget cycle
[religion]|19:37 inky says, "hmm"
[religion]|19:37 inky says, "I wonder who installed the speedbump"
[I7]|19:37 Firion says, "I tried putting 'instead of going up from <blahblahblah> say <whatever>' but it's not working."
[I7]|19:37 zarf says, "in, not from"
[I7]|19:38 zarf says, ""going up from" only triggers when the player *successfully* goes up from one room to another"
[I7]|19:38 maga says, "yeah, 'from' assumes that the action has already succeeded"
[I7]|19:38 maga says, "timing"
[I7]|19:38 Firion says, "Oh"
[lounge]|19:38 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|19:38 Jota greets.
[I7]|19:38 maga says, "this is one of the most common mistakes"
[webgames]|19:39 Fang says, "Ironically I'm trying to get people to play this game"
[I7]|19:40 Firion says, "Well I released it as a zblorb file..."
[lounge]|19:40 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|19:40 * Ellison has disconnected.
[I7]|19:40 Firion asks, "Is that normal?"
[I7]|19:41 maga says, "it's the default, so yes"
[I7]|19:41 Firion asks, "How do I change that?"
[TV]|19:41 DorianX says, "Well that's disappointing. Just watched the American Idol finale"
[TV]|19:41 DorianX says, "I mean, I am really glad that the guy I liked won"
[I7]|19:42 maga says, "in the Settings tab"
[TV]|19:42 DorianX says, "but his first act as american idol was to utterly fail at the thing he is a winner at"
[I7]|19:42 Firion says, "Does it matter if it's blorbed or not? It's pretty small."
[TV]|19:42 inky asks, "receiving the sacrifices of his followers?"
[I7]|19:42 McMartin says, "It depends on how you're deploying it, really"
[I7]|19:43 McMartin says, "Unblorbed will run on ancient stuff without preprocessing"
[I7]|19:43 McMartin says, "Blorbed means that it also advertises things like title/author to the interpreter which can act on this"
[I7]|19:43 Firion says, "Hmmm..."
[I7]|19:43 maga asks, "hm. can unblorbed z-code still use cover art?"
[I7]|19:43 zarf says, "no"
[TV]|19:43 DorianX says, "He was so overcome with emotion at his win that he got choked up halfway through his song and had to stop singing"
[I7]|19:43 maga says, "then you want to blorb it"
[I7]|19:44 McMartin says, "That will also mean that Blorple can auto-index it, which tends to make me happy"
[programming]|19:44 McMartin says, "OK, Back to Python for me for a bit"
[minicomp]|19:45 Firion asks, "So who do I send my rough draft to?"
[I7]|19:46 maga says, "me"
[I7]|19:47 Firion asks, "Erm, I should probably put a title on the picture I'm using?"
[I7]|19:47 maga says, "only if you want to"
[I7]|19:47 Firion asks, "Do you need that picture?"
[I7]|19:47 maga says, "for the beta round? nah"
[I7]|19:48 Johnny says, "The title is already shown next to the cover."
[I7]|19:48 Johnny says, "(Has anyone actually ever opened a game with cover art? Dang.)"
[lounge]|19:50 Roger goes home.
[lounge]|19:50 * Roger has disconnected.
[programming]|19:52 Jon says, "yay!"
[minicomp]|19:52 Jon says, "The Pulitzer committee."
[minicomp]|19:52 maga says, "to me"
[minicomp]|19:53 Firion says, "Sent."
[minicomp]|19:53 maga exclaims, "great!"
[minicomp]|19:53 maga asks, "would you be up for volunteering to test anybody else's game over the beta period?"
[minicomp]|19:54 maga says, "(and I've got it, thanks)"
[pirate]|19:56 Allen | Somali pirates lose on appeal: Fourth Circuit affirms piracy convictions in U.S.S. Nicholas prosecution and reverses dismissal of piracy count in U.S.S. Ashland prosecution
[pirate]|19:57 Allen says, "life + 80 year convictions. That must suck. Loads of nuremberg-convicted nazis got off for less"
[minicomp]|19:58 Firion asks, "Well, why not?"
[pirate]|19:58 Allen | The Fourth United States Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Richmond, Va., upheld what federal prosecutors described as the first United States piracy convictions in 190 years, finding that an individual did not have to seize or rob a ship to have committed piracy.
[minicomp]|20:01 maga asks, "great! have you tested games before?"
[videogames]|20:01 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! inky has posted message 389, about 'guide to implementing 2d platformers', to the bulletin board! This sure beats my day job as Superman!"
[pirate]|20:02 inky says, "hrm"
[webgames]|20:03 Fang says, "reading the source code makes apparent, at least"
[webgames]|20:03 Fang says, "gur tnzr vf hajvaanoyr"
[webgames]|20:03 Fang says, "gur 'gvc' gung lbh pna jva vf fgenvtugsbejneqyl n yvr"
[webgames]|20:05 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Fang has posted message 24, about 'Gamer Mom', to the bulletin board! One time, I met this chyk who was totally in the 19809 faction. "
[minicomp]|20:07 Firion says, "A few times."
[videogames]|20:07 Fang says, "that's a cool article"
[minicomp]|20:08 maga says, "good good"
[programming]|20:08 GDorn says, "we're thinking of building a library based on a chunk of a much larger PHP app (Horde, ick)"
[minicomp]|20:09 maga says, "I'll send out something on Sunday"
[programming]|20:09 GDorn says, "ideally, it'd be nice to be able to track upstream changes and still apply a fairly hefty patch to the upstream version, to both keep it up-to-date and customized"
[pirate]|20:10 Psmith says, "hmm. UNCLOS defines piracy as "any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation" by private ships against other ships on the high seas. And the USC refers to "the law of nations", which would presumably be taken to be UNCLOS."
[pirate]|20:10 Psmith says, "so yeah, no element of theft necessary."
[pirate]|20:10 inky asks, "what did they actually do?"
[pirate]|20:11 Jota says, "They probably depredated."
[pirate]|20:11 Jota says, "Against other ships."
[pirate]|20:12 Jota says, "On the high seas."
[pirate]|20:13 inky says, "that'll happen"
[videogames]|20:13 K-Y says, "heh"
[pirate]|20:13 Jota says, "There oughta be a law."
[pirate]|20:13 inky says, "also, 'depredated' sounds like it should mean 'protected from predators'"
[videogames]|20:13 K-Y says, "I think I remember cheap games where you would get stuck falling through a platform where your head just passed through it"
[lounge]|20:13 Rob comes right on in.
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Current time: Thursday, 24 May 2012, 08:13:58 PM EDT
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[pirate] Jota asks, "Like sharks?"
Rob says, "blrn"
Recapping 76 of 76 lines from if/comps/minicomp:
[minicomp]/001 genericgeekgirl says, "Almost done! By which I mean, I have to go back and flesh out responses and descriptions, but if you're a mind reader, I totally have a working, winnable game ;)"
[minicomp]/002 Rob says, "horm hrum"
[minicomp]/003 Tale asks, "How's your ent game coming along?"
[minicomp]/004 Rob says, "well I've got a first chapter written"
[minicomp]/005 Rob says, "but there may not be time to write the other chapters that chapter one promises"
[minicomp]/006 Rob says, "also, it's rattling around like all its screws aren't tightened and shows at the seams all over the place"
[minicomp]/007 Rob says, "it might make more sense to overhaul what I've got and say 'to be continued !' at the end but at least have what's there feeling solid"
[minicomp]/008 Rob says, "part of me wants to power on through some more of what's yet unwritten"
[minicomp]/009 Tale says, "Seems like it would make a good addition to IntroComp"
[minicomp]/010 Rob says, "yeah except I don't think I applied to be an introcomp entrant"
[minicomp]/011 Rob says, "or did I? hmm"
[minicomp]/012 Rob says, "but it would make a certain amount more sense if it were an introcomp entry rather than for the cover art minicomp"
[minicomp]/013 borowski says, "I feel I should do the same for my entry"
[minicomp]/014 Rob says, "well I'm definitely going to enrol with introcomp"
[minicomp]/015 Rob says, "since there's no point not doing so and a good reason to do so"
[minicomp]/016 borowski says, "What's the site for that? http://www.allthingsjacq.com/introcomp/ seems to be for last year"
[minicomp]/017 Rob says, "I remember having a conversation with Ellison a while back where I was mulling over daring myself to enter IntroComp and dust off something I'd started and try to get it out there"
[minicomp]/018 Rob says, "though of course publishing something new has a fresher feeling to it"
[minicomp]/019 Rob says, "hm, it doesn't specifically say, but I assume I just email jacq and tell her I intend to enter"
[minicomp]/020 Johnny says, "#IntroComp Yes."
[minicomp]/021 Rob says, "since what the page does say is to email her with any questions, it's possible she receives a lot of emails with the question 'how do I sign up with an intent to enter?' to which she replies 'you just did!'"
[minicomp]/022 Rob says, "so I'll just go ahead and form it as a declarative statement instead"
[minicomp]/023 Tale says (to rob), "Yeah, you just mail her"
[minicomp]/024 Rob says, "ok well hm this does change my focus a bit if I'm going to hold this game for introcomp"
[minicomp]/025 Tale asks (of rob), "So, are we talking about two games here?"
[minicomp]/026 Rob says, "now it should be about tightening and beefing up what I've got"
[minicomp]/027 Tale asks, "one for cover, one for intro?"
[minicomp]/028 Rob says, "I've only got the one in progres"
[minicomp]/029 Rob says, "s"
[minicomp]/030 Rob says, "it's just really clearly the first part of something that promises to be a larger game"
[minicomp]/031 Ellison says, "Thursday's the IntroComp intent deadline? dang, I hate how time flies."
[minicomp]/032 Rob says, "if I'm not going to write any more, I can work on adding more details and side-stuff to do in what I've got"
[minicomp]/033 borowski says, "26th I thought."
[minicomp]/034 Rob says, "because introcomp games are due a full month from now"
[minicomp]/035 borowski says, "Oops wrong comp"
[minicomp]/036 Rob says, "I'm just going by the last #IntroComp post"
[minicomp]/037 Rob says, "which says 'end of May'"
[minicomp]/038 Rob says, "and I can start rounding up testers"
[minicomp]/039 Rob says, "this also means I can't enter it into this comp, because that would make it ineligible for introcomp"
[minicomp]/040 Rob says, "but that relieves the pressure of getting this into shape in two days or so"
[minicomp]/041 Rob says, "all around this makes me a happier guy"
[minicomp]/042 Rob says, "and when I'm a happy guy I write fun IF"
[minicomp]/043 Rob says, "that's the theory anyway"
[minicomp]/044 Tale says (to ellison), "Will you enter one of your Hugo extensions into IntroComp? ha ha ha"
[minicomp]/045 Rob says, "depends what he extended"
[minicomp]/046 (from Johnny) Rob waggles eyebrows.
[minicomp]/047 Ellison says (to Tale), "dang, I should"
[minicomp]/048 Rob says, "the downside is that I feel like I have an excuse now to blow off more coding tonight instead of still being productive"
[minicomp]/049 Rob says, "hmm I now have the leeway to add an NPC I didn't think I had time to implement before"
[minicomp]/050 Ellison says, "blowing stuff off is so satisfying"
[minicomp]/051 Rob says, "I maybe still don't"
[minicomp]/052 Rob says, "hmm I know I can get something else out of my head tonight still"
[minicomp]/053 Ellison says (to Tale), "and I got a ton of extension work done today"
[minicomp]/054 Rob fiddles around a bit
[minicomp]/055 Rob says, "hokay, that's a good stopping place for tonight"
[minicomp]/056 Firion says, "This is gonna sound stupid, but is it OK that I ask my game not be played on ClubFloyd? At least until I've gone over and polished it up."
[minicomp]/057 maga says, "yeah, there's no obligation that anything be played on Floyd"
[minicomp]/058 Johnny says, "There's actually a two week polishing period."
[minicomp]/059 maga says, "that too"
[minicomp]/060 Firion asks, "You mean after it's submitted?"
[minicomp]/061 maga says, "after it's submitted we go into a betatesting phase, yes"
[minicomp]/062 Firion asks, "So is the beta phase the same as the polishing period?"
[minicomp]/063 maga says, "yes"
[minicomp]/064 Firion says, "All right."
[minicomp]/065 Firion asks, "So who do I send my rough draft to?"
[minicomp]/066 Jon says, "The Pulitzer committee."
[minicomp]/067 maga says, "to me"
[minicomp]/068 Firion says, "Sent."
[minicomp]/069 maga exclaims, "great!"
[minicomp]/070 maga asks, "would you be up for volunteering to test anybody else's game over the beta period?"
[minicomp]/071 maga says, "(and I've got it, thanks)"
[minicomp]/072 Firion asks, "Well, why not?"
[minicomp]/073 maga asks, "great! have you tested games before?"
[minicomp]/074 Firion says, "A few times."
[minicomp]/075 maga says, "good good"
[minicomp]/076 maga says, "I'll send out something on Sunday"
Recapped 76 of 76 lines from if/comps/minicomp.
[minicomp] Rob says, "hrm"
[minicomp] Rob says, "my plan was to go to this cafe and work, but instead I came home and logged into the mud"
[minicomp] vimes says, "that's like working"
Johnny says, "Hi Rob"
[minicomp] vimes says, "certainly it's what i'm doing when i say 'ok, gonna work on my game now'"
[minicomp] Rob says, "form without substance"
[minicomp] vimes says, "speaking of which: ok, gonna work on my game now"
[minicomp] Firion has finished the first draft of his game.
[minicomp] Rob says, "also, since I changed the focus of what I'm doing last night, I've left myself with less to do in terms of wacky new creativity and more to do in terms of nuts and bolts and fixing and tightening, which isn't as inspiring"
[minicomp] Rob says, "yeah I've pretty much got a first draft"
[videogames] Jearl says, "a not-totally-Diaboloid ARPG? I am intrigued"
[videogames] Jearl asks, "anyone else likely to play Krater?"
[videogames] Firion asks, "for PC?"
[pirate] Jota says, "Or really angry dolphins."
[videogames] Jearl says, "looks like it"
[minicomp] Rob says, "or by the end of this evening that'll be the first draft"
[videogames] Firion can only pray his laptop would run it.
[videogames] Rob says, "I've heard people mention the name before"
[programming] McMartin says, "This article tracks what books I've read on the subject, actually."
[programming] McMartin says, "ILADC"
[videogames] Jearl says, "Guther posted about it earlier"
[videogames] McMartin says, "This article tracks what books I've read on the subject, actually."
[videogames] Jearl says, "+n"
[pirate] Jota says, "Or shooting starfish."
[pirate] Jota says, "(They're shooting guns, of course.)"
[pirate] inky says, "octopirates"
[videogames] Rob says, "I was about to say 'I think Gunther mentioned it' but then I thought, hm, is that really a Gunther type game to talk about? and got lost in internal debate"
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#soc/religion/religion      : maga says, "martyrdom comes with a free full-
 alt/random/markov-chains   : Markov says (to Johnny), "My god.  It's full
#media/tv/TV                : DorianX says, "Well, if it's aliens then what
#if/programming/I7          : Discuss/Test/Use Inform 7
 games/computer/diablo      : vimes says, "but, given that blizzard is stup
#games/computer/webgames    : Web game sites ( http://jayisgames.com , http:/
#if/comps/minicomp          : Discussion of mini comps, as opposed to speed
#tech/.../programming       : inky says, "basically if you're not using a h
#alt/pirate                 : Arr. Also, avast. Also, shiver me timbers, ma
#games/computer/videogames  : Tale says, "I go around a corner - 3 baby cow
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[pirate] Jota exclaims, "But those would be more de-predators!"
[videogames] Fang says, "heh"
[band-name] Rob says, "Mordy Predators"
[pirate] inky says, "pirates and octopirates are locked in eternal battle"
[pirate] inky says, "after the dust settles there is only a septopirate"
[videogames] Fang says, "there's not really a lot of information on this game"
[videogames] Jearl says, "The Austrian Mind Trap"
[videogames] Fang says, "not in the link, anyway"
[pirate] Rob says, "how many hook hands does an octopirate sport"
[videogames] Jearl says, "aka the Trieste Cul-de-sac"
Quotations:
Hjalfi (quoted by Gunther, 24-May-12):
  [tech] Matthew says, "Okay, so something really, really weird happened last night."
  [tech] Matthew says, "Acrobat stopped working.  Just stopped working."
  [tech] Hjalfi asks, "Yes, but what was the weird thing?"
Fang (quoted by olethros, 24-May-12):
  [tech] Fang says, "well, shit harder, bro"
[videogames] Jearl says, "or the Ottoman Double"
[videogames] Jearl says, "coming up on the espresso"
[pirate] Jota says, "Also, octopirates are what happens when Nadya Suleman's kids get old enough to start downloading MP3's."
[quotebooks] Rob says, "ha ha fang quote"
[quotebooks] Rob says, "a nice out of context random funny line"
[pirate] Jota says (to Rob), "Trick question! They have no hook hands, only hook tentacles."
[pirate] Rob says, "arr"
[pirate] Rob says, "arr me multi-hearties"
[pirate] inky says, "ha ha"
Recapping 27 of 27 lines from alt/pirate:
[pirate]/001 Allen | Somali pirates lose on appeal: Fourth Circuit affirms piracy convictions in U.S.S. Nicholas prosecution and reverses dismissal of piracy count in U.S.S. Ashland prosecution
[pirate]/002 Allen says, "life + 80 year convictions. That must suck. Loads of nuremberg-convicted nazis got off for less"
[pirate]/003 Allen | The Fourth United States Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Richmond, Va., upheld what federal prosecutors described as the first United States piracy convictions in 190 years, finding that an individual did not have to seize or rob a ship to have committed piracy.
[pirate]/004 inky says, "hrm"
[pirate]/005 Psmith says, "hmm. UNCLOS defines piracy as "any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation" by private ships against other ships on the high seas. And the USC refers to "the law of nations", which would presumably be taken to be UNCLOS."
[pirate]/006 Psmith says, "so yeah, no element of theft necessary."
[pirate]/007 inky asks, "what did they actually do?"
[pirate]/008 Jota says, "They probably depredated."
[pirate]/009 Jota says, "Against other ships."
[pirate]/010 Jota says, "On the high seas."
[pirate]/011 inky says, "that'll happen"
[pirate]/012 Jota says, "There oughta be a law."
[pirate]/013 inky says, "also, 'depredated' sounds like it should mean 'protected from predators'"
[pirate]/014 Jota asks, "Like sharks?"
[pirate]/015 Jota says, "Or really angry dolphins."
[pirate]/016 Jota says, "Or shooting starfish."
[pirate]/017 Jota says, "(They're shooting guns, of course.)"
[pirate]/018 inky says, "octopirates"
[pirate]/019 Jota exclaims, "But those would be more de-predators!"
[pirate]/020 inky says, "pirates and octopirates are locked in eternal battle"
[pirate]/021 inky says, "after the dust settles there is only a septopirate"
[pirate]/022 Rob says, "how many hook hands does an octopirate sport"
[pirate]/023 Jota says, "Also, octopirates are what happens when Nadya Suleman's kids get old enough to start downloading MP3's."
[pirate]/024 Jota says (to Rob), "Trick question! They have no hook hands, only hook tentacles."
[pirate]/025 Rob says, "arr"
[pirate]/026 Rob says, "arr me multi-hearties"
[pirate]/027 inky says, "ha ha"
Recapped 27 of 27 lines from alt/pirate.
Firion goes home.
</Firion> It's a sad thing that your adventures have ended here!!
[pirate] Lionheart says, "MapleStory has OctoPirates. They're octopuses wearing bandanas. If you play one of the Pirate classes, to get the second job advancement you have to go kill them and bring back 15 of their drops."
[videogames] McMartin says, "Hm, it's missing one of the nicer kinds of partial air control"
[videogames] Fang asks, "?"
[videogames] Fang asks, "jetpacks?"
[videogames] McMartin says, "The article on the BB"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Well, those are nice"
[pirate] Lionheart says, "It's a pretty easy test."
[videogames] McMartin says, "BUt this is the one that I ran into in a reimplementation of Zool."
[videogames] Fang asks, "drop attacks?"
[videogames] Fang says, "Zool? Hmm"
[videogames] McMartin says, "It's a *much* lower constant for you acceleration in the air than normal air control"
[videogames] McMartin says, "But reversing direction instantly cancels your speed"
Quotations:
Gunther (quoted by markm, 18-Sep-08):
  [austria] Gunther says, "Maerzenbier statt Nubier! I don't say this unsarcastically often, but ROTFL"
Quotations:
Gunther (quoted by Jota, 01-Jan-12):
  Gunther says, "[NPC] suddenly pulls the [item] out of your pocket! He dances away, laughing madly, stuffing the [item] in his mouth while tying a burning rope to two different liquids."
  vimes says, "Don't forget the hunger daemon."
  Gunther says, "he IS the hunger daemon"
ghira (quoted by inky, 05-Oct-10):
  ghira says, "If I eventually get a laugh, but it's a nervous one, I know I have succeeded."
olethros (quoted by Rob, 06-Jun-11):
  [race] olethros says (to matthew), "you like the amount of prison-trotting friends that I enjoy"
Jearl (quoted by Iain):
  Jearl says, "it makes me sad that German doesn't have its own word for 'catsuit'"
  Jearl says, "I think I meant to channel that. But I'll stand by it anyway"
lpsmith (quoted by vimes, 21-Sep-06):
  [I7] inky says, "David Kinder's little brother"
  [I7] lpsmith says, "If only we could all be a little kinder."
inky (quoted by Johnny, 28-May-09):
  [Hugo] Johnny asks, "Um, how is if Contains(location, player) different from if player in location or if parent(player) = location?"
  [Hugo] Johnny says, "I kid."
  [Hugo] inky says, "if you kid, ask your parent"
  [Hugo] Johnny says, "Haha"
crumple (quoted by BrenBarn, 03-Mar-09):
  [DustWorld] inky says, "'the naughty easter egg' would be a good sexual position"
  [DustWorld] crumple says, "yes, especially if it is a sexual position that involves humpty dumpty and a resurrected messiah."
mamster (quoted by inky):
  mamster says, "This rules."
  mamster asks, "Am I a horse or a child or what?"
Allen (quoted by Rob, 01-Apr-09):
  [Infocom] Allen says, "I'm pretty flexible about music... if it's good music, I like it. As long as it doesn't fall under the dreaded 3 genres"
  [Infocom]/009 Allen says, "smooth jazz. industrial. and barber shop quartets"
inky (quoted by Gunther, 02-May-09):
  [rpg] Gunther | Midnight Sun, if published, will be a retelling of the first book, Twilight, from Edward Cullen's point of view
  [rpg] inky says, "it should just be stream-of-consciousness, like "oh, man, she is so hot .. I think I'm getting a boner, I hope she doesn't notice .. man, check out that ass""
[videogames] McMartin says, "It lets you do half-moon jumps without giving Mega Man levels of air control"
[pirate] inky asks, "there are multiple pirate classes?"
[pirate] Lionheart says, "Yes. Brawler, whose weapon specialty is knuckles; Gunslinger, whose weapon speciality is guns and gets gun related skills; and Cannoneer."
[videogames] McMartin says, "It makes air control feel more like a drift, but it also allows the more standard air-control tricks."
[videogames] McMartin says, "Other drifts are just 'you must go this way, but maybe you can pick a landing spot'"
[pirate] Rob says, "what, no cutlasseer"
[pirate] Lionheart says, "Plus the Cygnus Knight Thunder Breaker counts, and the Resistance Mechanic class count as pirates when it comes to equipping Pirate equipment."
[pirate] Rob says, "who reads your fortune by the scars he puts on your cheeks"
[pirate] Jota exclaims, "Octopods don't have knuckles!"
[pirate] Lionheart says, "(The Mechanic class basically does all its fighting in a mecha.)"
[quotations] Fang says, "holy mood whiplash"
[quotations] Fang | My dad is a parent (obviously) and whilst being a good dad to me and my brother, he found time for games, and an affair. Clearly it can be done. LOL
[pirate] Rob says, "maybe if they flex and tense up they can simulate any number of knuckle sandwiches"
[quotations] inky says, "ha ha"
[pirate] Lionheart says, "Pirates are the gadgeteers of Maple world."
[pirate] Rob asks, "Maple world?"
[pirate] Lionheart says, "Well, whatever maplestory's world is called."
[pirate] Rob says, "what's maplestory"
[pirate] Fang says, "2d sidescrolling grindathon from korea"
<Limax> On average, every human has one breast and one testicle.
[pirate] Fang says, "well, massively multiplayer grindathon"
[pirate] Lionheart says, "It's probably the most heavily populated 2D sidescrolling platformer MMORPG in the world."
Limax overshoots the lounge and lands in the salad.
genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Limax"
[pirate] inky says, "ha ha"
Limax says, "Hi"
[pirate] inky says, "I guess its only real competition is glitch"
[pirate] Lionheart says, "Really it's astoundingly crowded."
[pirate] Lionheart says, "I guess "Maple World" is the official name for MapleStory's world, according to it's Wikipedia page."
inky says, "ok zz"
inky wanted bring similar excitement to Ukrainians by bringing the telepathic pig to the city's fan zone before matches.
inky has disconnected.
[robmumble] Rob says, "somewhere on life's journey I went from being a guy who was regarded as being generally quite knowledgeable to the guy who has no clue what anything people are talking about is"
[robmumble] Fang asks, "what do you mean?"
[pirate] Rob says, "2d.. sidescrolling... platformer... mmorpg"
[pirate] Rob says, "how many of those even are there"
Limax says, "Hm.  inky's going to bed early"
[pirate] Jota says, "At least two."
[robmumble] Rob says, "sometimes you ask me what do I mean when I think I've already packed all information content into the sentence you're replying to, and I don't know what else to say"
[pirate] Psmith asks, "does Terraria count?"
[robmumble] Fang says, "that was a joke"
[robmumble] Limax says, "I reached that point a long time ago"
[robmumble] Rob says, "oh, maybe it's just a lack of recognizing your sense of humour then"
[robmumble] Limax says, "He forgot the smiley"
Rob says, "that must just be him leaving work"
[robmumble] Fang says, "I feel fortunate in that I have never been regarded as being generally quite knowledgable."
Rob says, "wow, 20 minutes before 6, even"
Limax says, "I figure... but zz usually implies sleep"
[pirate] Lionheart says (to Rob), "It's free-to-play, which is probably the key to its enormous success."
Fang says, "maybe he's a vim user"
[robmumble] Rob says, "actually it's not that mysterious"
Johnny says, "zz u l8r"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I've gotten old enough to not have much connection to current pop culture or youth culture"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and a lot of what whizzes around here falls into the venn diagram of those two categories"
[robmumble] Fang says, "I don't think anyone here is really young any more"
[robmumble] Limax asks, "What is current pop culture?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "anything SNL is spoofing right now"
[robmumble] Fang says, "the only youngish thing I'm in touch with is Adventure Time"
[pirate] Lionheart says (to Jota), "WonderKing was another, but it folded in January."
[robmumble] Rob says, "there's a blog post I keep feeling like writing where I just make a long list of pop culture touchstones, like enormously popular tv shows, that I have never watched once"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah but there's a lot of people here younger than me"
[robmumble] Fang asks, "like what?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "thank goodness markm is still around"
[robmumble] Limax whacks Rob with his cane
[robmumble] Rob says, "well I'd have to sit for five minutes to remember the list"
[robmumble] Rob says, "mainly I need to open a text file and start a list and add to it until it seems voluminous enough to post"
[robmumble] Jota says (to Rob), "#belated I don't think of you as the guy who has no club what anything people are talking about is; I think of you the guy who always asks to have things explained rather than Googling them."
[robmumble] Rob says, "hee hee"
[robmumble] Fang asks (of Jota), "I thought that's me?"
[fang-asks-stupid-questions] Fang says, "ahem"
[robmumble] Rob says, "well this is true, but a lot of the reason for that is that I enjoy prodding conversations along while I'm on here"
[robmumble] Rob says, "so it's more fun to ask a question and hear people's takes on it than to look something up"
[robmumble] Fang says, "right exactly"
[fang-asks-stupid-questions] Rob says, "heh"
[robmumble] Rob says, "eight or more years ago I felt some kind of aversion to asking random dumb 'what's that' questions here, then there came some point where I decided, what the hell, I'll just reveal that I don't know and ask"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I guess that somewhat must fall around the transition from my 20s to my 30s"
[robmumble] Limax nods
Fang says, "anyway, I should go"
[robmumble] Rob says, "though there's still this teensy bit jealous feeling I sometimes get, that can tilt into kind of arrogant disdain in the wrong mood, where if something sounds completely unknown to me but 4 or more mudders all well know what it is like everyone-heard-about-this-months-ago I think 'wtf, how do you all know what this [ephemeral] [crap] [thing] is?'"
[robmumble] Psmith says (to Rob), "bear in mind that two of those four mudders googled it ten seconds ago."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I used to get highly worked up about feeling 'left out' of things"
[robmumble] Rob says, "this feeling is fading into unimportance the older I get, thankfully"
[robmumble] Rob says, "especially when I realize how hermit-like a disposition I have"
[robmumble] Rob says, "what do you expect? I ask myself. oh yeah I respond"
[robmumble] Rob says, "nowadays I feel grateful that ifmud is still chugging along and is here rather than being something that flared up for a few years then died out"
[robmumble] Rob says, "oh look, a place where bright funny people tell jokes and discuss stuff every day. that's an unusually good happening"
[robmumble] K-Y says, "there are knowledgeable hermits"
DavidW goes home.
DavidW has disconnected.
[robmumble] K-Y says, "ever since hermits got internet service"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I have to temper my hermit tendencies"
[robmumble] Rob says, "which I inherited from my mom, who hasn't left the house in a decade"
[robmumble] two-star says, "I don't know, I think going to the library doesn't count against your hermit status."
[videogames] K-Y says, "hmm, Double Fine game"
[videogames] K-Y says, "I assume this is a Plato allegory, yes"
[robmumble] Rob says, "because having a face to face actual conversation with another person, or a virtual one like this, makes me feel psychologically healthy like a dose of brain medicine"
[videogames] Rob says, "which what"
[videogames] K-Y says, "'The Cave'"
[robmumble] two-star says, "Although it was worse in the days before the self-scan machines."
[videogames] Rob says, "that does sound somewhat Platonic"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I project a vibe in person that seems to say, 'leave me alone, I'm in my own bubble', but my favorite outings to the cafe are ones where someone comes over and has a short chat with me, rather than everyone leaving me alone"
[videogames] nothings says, "it is not, according to the writeup i read"
[videogames] Rob says, "have you got a url for that"
#alt/random/apropos-of-nothing: Fang asks, "Hmm, if we sum up all the urine urinated in all of human history, how would it compare to the volume of the ocean?"
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[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says (to nothings), "hey, what are you working on these days"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "work, misc random projects none of which have born fruit of note"
[apropos-of-nothing] (from two-star) nothings says, "Dude, google it."
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob asks, "where are you working? that same place you were working when I ran into you at a convention booth?"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "yes"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "ok"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "this is the product i created and still work on: http://www.radgametools.com/iggy.htm "
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob asks, "and you're in... california now?"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "seattle"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "dang"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "oh yeah Bink"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "I wasn't aware of Iggy I must admit"
[videogames] K-Y says, "I guess this http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/05/ron-gilbert-goes-exploring-in-the-cave/ "
[robmumble] K-Y says, "see, those are nice"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "it's not like it's in lots of games"
[videogames] Rob says, "gee I used to read ars technica semi regularly but I guess that's gone by the wayside"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "well it reads like it should be"
[robmumble] K-Y says, "but they happen infrequently enough that I have to do something about it"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "i think two or three have been released, a couple more end of this month"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "unless people don't feel like using flash"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "it's kind of a bad idea, really"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "(using flash)"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "says the creator of the product"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "it seems like there are a lot of other tools available for serious companies to be using"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "I haven't been able to afford flash since the 1990s"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "I don't think I'd really be using it even if I had it though"
Recapping 49 of 49 lines from misc/personal/robmumble:
[robmumble]/001 Rob says, "somewhere on life's journey I went from being a guy who was regarded as being generally quite knowledgeable to the guy who has no clue what anything people are talking about is"
[robmumble]/002 Fang asks, "what do you mean?"
[robmumble]/003 Rob says, "sometimes you ask me what do I mean when I think I've already packed all information content into the sentence you're replying to, and I don't know what else to say"
[robmumble]/004 Fang says, "that was a joke"
[robmumble]/005 Limax says, "I reached that point a long time ago"
[robmumble]/006 Rob says, "oh, maybe it's just a lack of recognizing your sense of humour then"
[robmumble]/007 Limax says, "He forgot the smiley"
[robmumble]/008 Fang says, "I feel fortunate in that I have never been regarded as being generally quite knowledgable."
[robmumble]/009 Rob says, "actually it's not that mysterious"
[robmumble]/010 Rob says, "I've gotten old enough to not have much connection to current pop culture or youth culture"
[robmumble]/011 Rob says, "and a lot of what whizzes around here falls into the venn diagram of those two categories"
[robmumble]/012 Fang says, "I don't think anyone here is really young any more"
[robmumble]/013 Limax asks, "What is current pop culture?"
[robmumble]/014 Rob says, "anything SNL is spoofing right now"
[robmumble]/015 Fang says, "the only youngish thing I'm in touch with is Adventure Time"
[robmumble]/016 Rob says, "there's a blog post I keep feeling like writing where I just make a long list of pop culture touchstones, like enormously popular tv shows, that I have never watched once"
[robmumble]/017 Rob says, "yeah but there's a lot of people here younger than me"
[robmumble]/018 Fang asks, "like what?"
[robmumble]/019 Rob says, "thank goodness markm is still around"
[robmumble]/020 Limax whacks Rob with his cane
[robmumble]/021 Rob says, "well I'd have to sit for five minutes to remember the list"
[robmumble]/022 Rob says, "mainly I need to open a text file and start a list and add to it until it seems voluminous enough to post"
[robmumble]/023 Jota says (to Rob), "#belated I don't think of you as the guy who has no club what anything people are talking about is; I think of you the guy who always asks to have things explained rather than Googling them."
[robmumble]/024 Rob says, "hee hee"
[robmumble]/025 Fang asks (of Jota), "I thought that's me?"
[robmumble]/026 Rob says, "well this is true, but a lot of the reason for that is that I enjoy prodding conversations along while I'm on here"
[robmumble]/027 Rob says, "so it's more fun to ask a question and hear people's takes on it than to look something up"
[robmumble]/028 Fang says, "right exactly"
[robmumble]/029 Rob says, "eight or more years ago I felt some kind of aversion to asking random dumb 'what's that' questions here, then there came some point where I decided, what the hell, I'll just reveal that I don't know and ask"
[robmumble]/030 Rob says, "I guess that somewhat must fall around the transition from my 20s to my 30s"
[robmumble]/031 Limax nods
[robmumble]/032 Rob says, "though there's still this teensy bit jealous feeling I sometimes get, that can tilt into kind of arrogant disdain in the wrong mood, where if something sounds completely unknown to me but 4 or more mudders all well know what it is like everyone-heard-about-this-months-ago I think 'wtf, how do you all know what this [ephemeral] [crap] [thing] is?'"
[robmumble]/033 Psmith says (to Rob), "bear in mind that two of those four mudders googled it ten seconds ago."
[robmumble]/034 Rob says, "I used to get highly worked up about feeling 'left out' of things"
[robmumble]/035 Rob says, "this feeling is fading into unimportance the older I get, thankfully"
[robmumble]/036 Rob says, "especially when I realize how hermit-like a disposition I have"
[robmumble]/037 Rob says, "what do you expect? I ask myself. oh yeah I respond"
[robmumble]/038 Rob says, "nowadays I feel grateful that ifmud is still chugging along and is here rather than being something that flared up for a few years then died out"
[robmumble]/039 Rob says, "oh look, a place where bright funny people tell jokes and discuss stuff every day. that's an unusually good happening"
[robmumble]/040 K-Y says, "there are knowledgeable hermits"
[robmumble]/041 K-Y says, "ever since hermits got internet service"
[robmumble]/042 Rob says, "I have to temper my hermit tendencies"
[robmumble]/043 Rob says, "which I inherited from my mom, who hasn't left the house in a decade"
[robmumble]/044 two-star says, "I don't know, I think going to the library doesn't count against your hermit status."
[robmumble]/045 Rob says, "because having a face to face actual conversation with another person, or a virtual one like this, makes me feel psychologically healthy like a dose of brain medicine"
[robmumble]/046 two-star says, "Although it was worse in the days before the self-scan machines."
[robmumble]/047 Rob says, "I project a vibe in person that seems to say, 'leave me alone, I'm in my own bubble', but my favorite outings to the cafe are ones where someone comes over and has a short chat with me, rather than everyone leaving me alone"
[robmumble]/048 K-Y says, "see, those are nice"
[robmumble]/049 K-Y says, "but they happen infrequently enough that I have to do something about it"
Recapped 49 of 49 lines from misc/personal/robmumble.
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'm a regular at this one place, and a quarter of the people who work there feel happy to approach me and have a small chat, and the majority tend to leave me alone"
[robmumble] Rob says, "two or three have a more substantial interaction with me once a month or so"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I've been annoyed for a decade that I don't have some regular group of buddies to hang out with in person"
[robmumble] Rob says, "all the ones I used to hang out with got busy with their own lives or moved away (a subset of the same phenomenon)"
Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
</Fang> Conclusion: My conclusion is large apples.
[robmumble] Rob says, "suddenly I woke up one day and said hey I don't have any local friends I see regularly"
[robmumble] Rob says, "sometimes people find cohorts among their coworkers, but I don't have any coworkers"
[apropos-of-nothing] Johnny says, "Bink you see a lot."
[robmumble] Rob says, "and there's a problem with being buddy type friends with people at the cafe because the waiter-customer relationship creates a social dividing wall"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "yeah Bink is all over the place"
[robmumble] K-Y says, "there's a lack of parit - yeah"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I got invited to a few parties thrown by people who work there for a while, then I slowly got axed out of the invite list, possibly because it was awkward when I showed up"
[robmumble] Psmith says, "my regular group was the weekly games club, but since I moved home I've missed that (though I still get to see them occasionally)."
[robmumble] Rob says, "it was sort of an interesting dynamic to go through but I wish it had turned out better"
[robmumble] Rob says, "sometimes I think I should start my own thing and invite people but I never manage to do it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I get pessimistic about who would come while putting out feelers and let it drop"
[robmumble] two-star says, "I have my madrigal group, and my ex-gf, and a couple of the irish dance people who I also board game with, and Revels people sort of. That's actually a perfectly reasonable amount, I guess."
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah that's pretty good"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I probably have to join some groups like that or something"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but there's a quantum energy jump or some other kind of oomph barrier that prevents it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "or the whole hermit personality thing"
[robmumble] two-star says, "I think that excepting my ex-gf just about all of my friends trace back to when I took Irish in 1999 or so."
[robmumble] Rob says, "for a while I had been invited to a music jam session that was semi regular, but it never involved any other kind of friendship or hanging out"
[robmumble] Rob says, "then the leader of the jam moved to california"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "as the creator of the product, i can see all the ways this thing sucks that I can't do anything about (sucks in terms of performance and memory usage, which game devs care about)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I tried joining a group of indie comics guys who get together and draw for a while"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "basically, we thought using flash would be a huge development cost savings, because we wouldn't have to make our own tool"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but the leader of the gang didn't like me, and I sort of said fuck it and dropped out"
[apropos-of-nothing] two-star asks, "And then you had two problems?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I didn't like him, either"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "but by the time we finished, it was clear that instead of spending 2.5 years developing the flash-compatible stuff, I could have written a faster, smaller engine in 1 year and spent 1 year writing our own tool"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "bleh"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "it wouldn't be as flexible/powerful as flash, but it would better serve the needs of game devs"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob asks, "but that's still not on the table?"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "i've spent the last year fixing bugs. i don't really have time for a major rewrite"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "I can see how on paper as a proposal the Flash tool sounded like a solid idea"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it was like a high school clique"
[robmumble] Rob says, "there was also a style incompatibility"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "well, it especially sounded like a solid idea because there was already a product on the market that did this"
[robmumble] Rob says, "they were doing these (going to caricature it severely) dopey random indie far-out things, and I was bringing QMan to the table"
[robmumble] K-Y says, "hmm"
[robmumble] Rob says, "then they decided to make an anthology book where everyone submits a story, and so I made up something else, and they rejected mine and printed everyone else's"
[robmumble] Rob says, "which infuriated me"
[robmumble] Jota says, "Bleh."
[robmumble] Rob says, "it was such a clear 'I don't like you, so I'm not printing yours' shafting that I just packed up and left"
[robmumble] K-Y says, "I'm imagining something like campus newspaper stuff"
[robmumble] Rob says, "a decade before I was part of a similar collective of austin comics guys, anyone anybody felt like doing was accepted without prejudice, and I thought it was going to be like that"
[robmumble] Rob says, "some of my hermit-ness just comes from not fitting in with any groups I come across any more"
[robmumble] K-Y says, "I can see how things would be cliquey these days"
[robmumble] K-Y says, "what with webcomics"
[robmumble] Rob says, "which is a little bit of a surprise, because the first half of my life I was always kind of a misfit but never had trouble finding close friends or groups of buddies who were also misfits in their own way"
[robmumble] Rob says, "now I'm just wandering in the wilderness on my own"
[robmumble] Rob long sigh
[robmumble] Johnny asks, "How do you walk two feet in Austin without stepping on a misfit?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I always feel like I'm eventually going to find another tight gang of some kind but it's been a long wait"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah seriously"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I should be doing a lot better here than I am"
[robmumble] Limax says, "I wish I could wander off in the wilderness"
[robmumble] Limax says, "But I have this big chain around my ankle"
[robmumble] Rob says, "everyone has their burden to bear"
[robmumble] nothings says, "man, i haven't been in a close-knit group since... halfway through college I guess (after i moved out of the dorms)"
[robmumble] Limax says, "I think it's called 'Spooky'"
[robmumble] Rob asks, "that house with some name that dfan was it?"
[robmumble] Rob asks, "your chain is called Spooky?"
[robmumble] nothings says, "i wasn't really close knit with them"
[robmumble] nothings says, "i mean, yes, i saw them all the time in the common areas and such"
DavidW arrives inkyious from victor's quest.
[robmumble] nothings says, "but i didn't go do things with them (except work)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "on the other hand, here's some guys on ifmud, listening to me ramble on, and that's a big plus"
[robmumble] nothings says, "yeah, that's what i was leading to"
[robmumble] Rob asks, "what was that house called?"
[robmumble] nothings says, "'house of ten dumb guys'"
[robmumble] Limax says (to Rob), "No... that's the bird"
Johnny says, "Hi DW"
[robmumble] Rob says, "ok I was remembering 'dumb guys' but not how many"
[robmumble] nothings says, "deco(?) moronis"
[robmumble] Rob says, "heh, I never heard the latin form"
[robmumble] Rob asks, "maybe deca. or decae?"
[robmumble] Limax says, "Heh"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I'm sweatin' just sitting here. It shouldn't be this hot in May."
[robmumble] nothings says, "i went through a number of internet communities over the year, but this is the one that's stuck"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "yurf"
[robmumble] nothings says, "although I suppose the previous one would have stuck if boutell hadn't shut it down"
[robmumble] Rob says, "this is somehow a special group"
[robmumble] nothings says, "i sometimes feel bad that i haven't played any IF in like seven years, but eh"
[robmumble] Rob says, "the strange common factor of IF doesn't really allow for much other commonality, but it does tend to select for a certain amount of intelligence and creativity in everybody"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah ehh"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "It's funny how when people talk about defining marriage, they always pull out the 'daughter for three goats' verse"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "the what"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax | The fact that youcat' sell your daughter for three goats and a cow means we've already redefined marriage
[apropos-of-nothing] Johnny says, "It's the sequel to Three Billy Goats Gruff."
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "Er.  you can't"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "I hate this keyboard"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "If people keep using the same arguemnt (like this one), it cheapens the meaning and makes cynical people like me quit caring"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, " http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/10/16/cherrypicking-illustrated/ "
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "Yup.  Seen that one recently too"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "it was a roundabout way of saying 'why do even care about bible-based arguments?'"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "(I assume this three goats verse thing is biblical; you didn't specify)"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "RIght... it is."
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "COudln't tell you where, though"
</two-star> I don't want you to pray to the duck. I want you to ASK THE DUCK YOUR QUESTION.
<two-star> yea why try her raw wet hat
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "YOu get all kinds on facebook"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "ANd they seem to all be on my friens list"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "ok, that's even worse"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "you shouldn't let your opinions/engagement be influenced by terrible discussions on facebook"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "Oh, it's not"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "But my eyes are starting to hurt from all the rolling"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "'quit caring' == 'engagement influenced'"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "but if you were just being hyperbolic, ok"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "We had a very brief power failure for a fraction of a second at 8:30 this evening. Bet everyone with a fan or A/C has turned them on."
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "I'm being more hyperblic"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "Damn keyboard"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "i've definitely *literally* had 'quit caring' experiences on other subjects, so it didn't seem implausible"
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "like, this happened to me, literally: http://www.theonion.com/articles/nations-liberals-suffering-from-outrage-fatigue,1190/ "
inky has 5 hp.  I like to see that in a monster.
[apropos-of-nothing] nothings says, "(fortunately, it rebooted once obama started screwing us)"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "Heh"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "hm. 9th annual Lesbo Bingo next Wednesday. They keep saying us menfolk are invited, but I have to wonder."
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "I don't even bother arguing or debating anything. I can't ever come up with any coherence"
[zarfplan] zarf says, "woo, dreamhold "in review""
[zarfplan] Limax says, "Excellent"
[zarfplan] Johnny asks, "For Ios?"
[zarfplan] Limax says, "OS/2"
[zarfplan] zarf says, "better finish this damn blog post, then"
Rob says, "hee hee olounge"
[I7] maga says, "nnnrgh, looks like I need to pull something fancy to make Plurality work the way I need it to"
Johnny says, "Hinky"
[I7] maga says, "rule for printing the name, how I love thee"
Limax says, "Hello again inky"
inky says, "ta-da"
[music] K-Y says (to Limax), "this might be your thing http://www.npr.org/2012/05/20/151711015/first-listen-saint-etienne-words-and-music-by-saint-etienne "
[music] Limax says, "Hm.  NEver heard of them"
[music] K-Y says, "my second favorite band"
[music] Limax says, "Ah"
[kids] Hugo says, "My kid can tell me what's an invertebrate or a vertebrate.  I guess that's useful, even if only rarely."
[kids] inky says, "grow a spine, kid"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "Shoot... I forgot that today's Thursday"
[apropos-of-nothing] zarf says, "must take out the garbage!"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "I just went in to watch last week's Legen of Korra"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "But that's on Friday nights"
[apropos-of-nothing] inky says (to zarf), "I did!"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "My night is Sunday"
[kids] Hugo says, "No kidding."
[apropos-of-nothing] K-Y says, "I just did too"
[kids] Hugo says, "I forgot how disconcerting the little ones with their jiggly heads are."
[apropos-of-nothing] zarf says, "Korra: still awesome"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "Yup.  I had to head to San Francisco last Saturdaymorning, so I missed the ep"
[apropos-of-nothing] Limax says, "I know I can catch it tomorrow night, though"
[books] inky says, "I saw somebody reading this on the train and thought it was a 50 shades of grey sort of thing: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412rdZCHjVL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg "
[books] inky says, "but it turns out it is actually a spider & web wwii sort of thing"
[books] inky says, "(at least, I think so)"
[books] Limax says, "Those hands look modern"
[beard] inky | Hi,am buzzard from NIGERIA. Am 24 and. i.ve got no beards on my face,that really sucks when i see my younger ones with lot of beards. Pls,i really need a help to this predicament. What can i do? *crying*
[beard] Rob says, "ha ha"
[beard] Rob says, "I mean aw"
[beard] Rob says, "it changes things if it's a girl writing it"
[beard] Jota says, "Tell him he's in luck, because you're the nephew of an American beard magnate and need his help to smuggle one million beards out of the country."
[beard] inky says, "hee hee"
[band-name] Rob says, "lot of beards"
[books] Rob says, "what's 50 shades of grey"
[band-name] K-Y says, "at the beard auction, the auctioneer is the only unbearded man"
[books] Rob says, "and red all over"
[books] inky says, "it is a NYT best-seller about a bdsm relationship"
[books] Rob says, "oh that!"
[books] inky says, "also I heard a rumor it was originally twilight fanfic"
<BrenBarn> Does it have to be that, like, general? 'Cause --
[books] zarf says, "widely confirmed"
[band-name] Jota says (to Rob), "All the members are men who A) have facial hair and B) date lesbians."
BrenBarn busta.
[personals] BrenBarn | Q: How often do you keep your promises?
[personals] BrenBarn | A: Whenever possible
[personals] BrenBarn | Explanation: “LOL”
[personals] inky says, "ha ha"
Limax says, "Hello BrenBarn"
BrenBarn says, "hey"
[books] Rob says, "around the same time this became popular enough to write about there was an obit about the journalist who pulled off a big hoax publishing a sex-adventure book"
[band-name] Rob says, "a name for a band could be Bear Beard"
[books] inky says, "choose your own sex adventure"
[band-name] Rob says, "you'd pull in an exotic crowd"
[books] K-Y says, "we've all read maga's blog"
[books] Rob says, "that sounds like a million seller !"
[books] inky says, "good point"
[books] BrenBarn says, "I remember that IF game that was like that"
[books] BrenBarn says, "Love's Fiery Imbroglio"
[books] Rob says, "ha ha ha"
[books] Rob says, "say that again"
[books] zarf says, "nm showed off his collection of terrible Christian-publishing CYOA books"
[books] BrenBarn asks, "remember that game?"
[books] Rob says, "its name was what now"
[books] BrenBarn says, "LOVE'S FIERY IMBROGLIO"
[books] Rob laughs again
[books] Rob says, "ha ha awesome"
[books] Lionheart says (to zarf), "That sounds interesting"
[books] Rob says, "that's my best gut laugh in a few days"
[books] inky | If you haven't play Love's Fiery Imbroglio (also known as Love's Fiery Rapture, LoveFire)
[books] Rob says, "yay imbroglio"
[books] K-Y says, "man, you guys missed out back in '98"
[books] Rob says, "with its funny silent ... perhaps... g"
[books] Rob says, "love's fiery rapture ! ha ha ha"
[books] Rob says, "I love constructions of words that my own brane would never produce"
[books] zarf says, " http://www.flavorwire.com/185035/the-most-bizarre-80s-choose-your-own-adventure-style-books "
<jess> Miss Sabrina commands you to put your pants on and get a job.
jess's tongue says sangria, but her heart says michelada.
Limax says, "Hello jess"
[books] BrenBarn says, "it had this part where it asked you if you were really a guy just reading it to see sex stuff, and if you said yes it showed you a text sex scene with all the dirty bits XXXXed out by 'censors'"
jess says, "hiya"
[books] inky says, "ha ha"
[books] Limax says, "Hee he"
DavidW says, "hi jess"
[books] Limax says (to zarf), "Huh. I actually owned 'You can be the Stainless Steel Rat'"
[books] Rob says, "with enough XXXXs and ;;;s and .s you can draw a sex scene"
[books] Lionheart says, "There's a Stainless Steel Rat CYOA? I didn't know that"
[books] zarf says, "there was a handful of f/sf CYOAs at that point"
[books] Limax says, "I don't know if I still have it or not... but tha's where I first learned the poem about H2SO4"
[books] Rob says, "there was a guy in the old Austin BBS scene who named himself after Stainless Steel Rat"
[books] inky says, "I think it may have been part of the series that did cyoas after a bunch of books"
[books] Rob says, "then it got shortened to Stainless for a few years"
[books] maga says, "hooray, After-Hours Girls"
[books] inky says, "I may still have the xanth one"
[books] Rob says, "nowadays we've been calling him Dwight for years"
[books] maga says, "Amazon *really wants me to read that*"
[books] inky says (to Rob), "ha ha"
[books] Rob says, "he used to come to all the social get-togethers and bring a paperback, and read it"
[books] Rob says, "eventually I figured out that he loved being there, it's just he felt comfortable reading, instead of interacting, but he liked everybody"
[books] Rob says, "aspergersy for sure, y'know"
[books] maga says, "also, hey, I played the Stainless Steel Rat CYOA"
[books] Rob says, "these days he doesn't bring books any more, he's a little more outgoing"
[books] maga says, "only it was called You Are The Stainless Steel Rat by then"
[books] Rob says, "he does spend a lot of time reading his phone, but not the whole time"
[books] inky says, "ha ha"
[books] Rob says, "there was some recent gathering that I had to miss, and I heard later that he asked if I was going to be there"
[books] Rob says, "and I thought aw"
[books] Limax says, "I'm trying to remember when I read the SSR books"
[books] Limax says, "I think it was in the 90s"
[books] Limax says, "ER... 80s"
[books] Rob says, "hm now I'm remembering another guy from those days"
[books] Rob says, "and I'm forgetting his real name now. argh"
[books] Rob says, "I need jenrexrode to remember for me"
[books] Limax says, "That's also the first place I ever heard of Esperanto"
[books] inky says, "what was his screen name>"
[books] Rob says, "ok"
[books] Rob says, "so he changed it a few times, but originally he named himself after KITT, the car in Knight Rider"
[books] Rob says, "but he spelled it really fancily, kind of like this:"
[books] Rob says, "(-=K.=.I.=.T.=.T.=-)"
[books] Rob says, "he was a nice guy but real nerdy and kind of odd and childlike"
[books] Rob says, "to some extent he was a bit Jaybird-like"
[books] Jota says, "That reminds me that when I was a teenager on BBS's, I spelled 'Jota' with all high-bit characters."
[books] Rob says, "eventually we met him in person and he was yeah very childlike but in a big pudgy body, very kind soft face that had suffered various torments"
[books] Rob says, "I think he had cerebral palsy? or something like that"
[books] inky says, "aw dang"
[books] Rob says, "jen probably remembers"
[books] genericgeekgirl belatedly googles, is disappointed that the Stainless Steel Rat has nothing to do with rats.
[books] zarf says, "it's a metaphor!"
[books] Rob says, "and I remember switching instantly from being kind of cynical about how he behaved online to being open-hearted about who he was"
[books] Lionheart says, "That's more chromey than fancy. -,.,;:'"KITT"':;,.,-"
[books] Lionheart says, "would be fancy."
[books] Rob says, "and... he died pretty young"
[books] Rob says, "so he's gone now"
[books] Rob says, "but he was a big part of the community for those frenzied early years"
[books] Rob says, "that seem like they lasted a decade but were less than half that"
[books] Jota says, "And ifMUD is exactly the opposite."
[books] Rob says, "yeah somehow"
[books] Limax asks, "Hm?"
[books] Jota says, "It feels like we've only been here maybe 5-10 years, but it's really been 15 so far."
[books] Rob says, "also everyone's still alive"
[books] Jota says, "As far as we know."
[books] Rob says, "there were a few early deaths from that austin bbs community"
[books] maga says (to Rob), "except fee"
[books] Rob says, "mrm yeah"
Rob says, "uh oh"
Rob says, "well you're all spared more morbid nostalgia because my netbook is out of juice"
Rob says, "gnight for now"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.