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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
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  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> “I’ve got a significant strawberry,’’ he said.
Channels created since last check:
 tech/3d-printing           :
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday NCommander!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, banana, Anything Finder, his pants, battle.net battletags
Players: Alex, markm, GDorn, Touchy, DorianX, Jearl, baf, jpt, Jon, Allen, annabianca, vimes, Ryan, Richie, Matthew, Grocible, McMartin, Doug, Whizzard, Bishop, Dave, Psmith, lpsmith, vaporware, dfabulich, maga, genericgeekgirl, Gunther, Roger, inky, DavidW, ghira, Fang, olethros, two-star, Johnny, djfletch, Marktwo, zarf, Ellison, Emily, Lionheart
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 3673 lines from recent channels:
[whiz-games]/09:53 Whizzard says, "Not public info yet, mind."
[whiz-games]|09:53 Fang asks, "why aren't you leaving?"
[whiz-games]|09:53 Whizzard says, "It's just like...fuck, there goes another person I actually liked talking to."
[whiz-games]|09:54 Whizzard says, "I'm not sure I'm not. I'm having a meeting with Chris, prolly today, to talk about my position at FFG."
[whiz-games]|09:54 Fang says, "hmm"
[whiz-games]|09:54 Fang says, "mmh"
[whiz-games]|09:54 Whizzard says, "I'm going to be shooting basically for profit sharing."
[whiz-games]|09:55 Whizzard says, "Potentially "VP of Special Projects", or what have you."
[whiz-games]|09:55 Fang asks, "what do you expect to happen?"
[whiz-games]|09:56 Whizzard says, "No clue."
[whiz-games]|09:56 Whizzard says, "Anything from "That's a great idea!" to "You're fired!""
[lounge]|09:56 Gunther says, "well, mouse batteries empty, I think I'll 'have to' go home"
[lounge]|09:56 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
[lounge]|10:05 Tale is an obscure allusion to Beast Wars Second: "Chi seimeitai Transformer", which featured a celestial rabbit named Moon, who lived on the moon.
[English]|10:06 Doug | Like any good dot-com-trepreneurs,
[gayrights]|10:06 Tale says, "Straight outta the closet"
[English]|10:06 Doug says, "I'm surprised and glad that that word hasn't gotten more use"
[gayrights]|10:07 Doug asks, "is "equal marriage" the new euphemism?"
[lounge]|10:08 genericgeekgirl enters the lounge. Wait, wasn't she already here? Yes, she was! genericgeekgirl kills her doppelganger as the MUD passes a resolution against human cloning.
[lounge]|10:08 Doug says, "hi ggg"
[lounge]|10:09 Doug says, "I saw Mr. Broad on Charlie Rose"
[lounge]|10:09 Doug asks, "does he ever visit the office?"
[gayrights]|10:09 Tale says, "Maybe it's the same as in "equal rights""
[gayrights]|10:10 Tale says, "That gay marriage shouldn't be a special case, but part of the norm"
[gayrights]|10:10 Doug says, "yep"
[lounge]|10:10 genericgeekgirl waves.
[English]|10:10 Fang says, "cuntrepreneurs"
[gayrights]|10:10 Doug says, "also "equal" is a synonym of "same".  but it has more connotations."
[lounge]|10:12 genericgeekgirl says (to Doug), "I work at Dana Farber, not the Broad (sadly)."
[gayrights]|10:12 Fang says, "Yes, marriage equality is a new framing, probably to address the 'special rights' nonsense"
[gayrights]|10:12 Doug says, "and that's what "homo-" means too.  But I guess "All men are homocreated" doesn't have the right ring to it"
[lounge]|10:12 Doug says (to genericgeekgirl), "oh!  huh."
[gayrights]|10:12 maga says, "hm, the connotation I get from it is one of 'separate but equal'"
[lounge]|10:12 Doug says, "do I know someone else who works at the Broad?  or am I just confused"
[gayrights]|10:13 Fang says, "hmm"
[lounge]|10:13 genericgeekgirl says, "I'd *like* to work there, although the commute would be worse. We've probably talked about that while walking past the building."
[gayrights]|10:13 Doug says (to maga), "I guess they could call it 'integrated marriage'..."
[gayrights]|10:13 Fang says, "actually, I've seen 'marriage equality' before, but not equal marriage"
[lounge]|10:13 Doug says, "could be"
[lounge]|10:21 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
[lounge]|10:21 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Gunther"
[lounge]|10:21 Gunther says, "reHi"
[lounge]|10:23 elf arrives in a brand-spankin' new horseless carriage.
[lounge]|10:23 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi elf"
[money]|10:23 elf says, "Question about currency exchange"
[lounge]|10:23 elf says, "Hi girl"
[money]|10:24 elf asks, "Has any of you used a currency exchange website for money transfers?"
[money]|10:25 Doug says, "nope, I just used my bank"
[money]|10:25 elf says, "(Yes, one can do that through a bank, but then the "spread" (i.e. sale/buy difference) is horrid.)"
[money]|10:25 Doug says, "actually it seemed better than other exchanges, e.g. at the airport.  But I didn't look too far and wide"
[money]|10:26 Doug says, "also I was just changing some cash after a trip abroad, rather than doing a transfer"
[money]|10:26 elf says, "Sure, that's better than the airport."
[money]|10:26 elf says, "What I mean is transfering a big chunk of my life savings, rather than a small amount of money for a trip."
[money]|10:27 elf says, "So, if I lose 5% on 10000 denarii (say), then I am losing 500 denarii."
[money]|10:27 elf says, "No joking matter."
[money]|10:27 Doug says, "yeah, sorry, dunno"
[money]|10:28 elf says, "I'm attempting to use what I think is a fairly big forex company website (Oanda), but their website is horrid - crashes often. That doesn't create much confidence, for one thing."
[jobs]|10:41 Tale says, "Muslim coworker checks out my ereader, first book she sees is Hitchens..."
[jobs]|10:42 Tale says, "And I'm thinking, "Phew, she didn#t pick Bret Easton Ellis""
[coffee]|10:44 K-Y says, "some guy is getting three coffees at once"
[coffee]|10:44 K-Y says, "I'm not lining up under these circumstances"
[pain]|10:46 genericgeekgirl says, "It really hurts to physically write today (as opposed to typing). Luckily it's not something I really need to do much of, but I like having the option."
[pain]|10:47 Tale asks, "Are you injured? Or is it just that you're not used to it?"
[pain]|10:48 genericgeekgirl says, "I don't think so, and I actually write quite a bit. I always carry a notebook and pen with me."
[lounge]|10:50 ctate spent last year enabling bioelectromagnetic synergies.
[lounge]|10:50 ctate says, "hi folks"
[lounge]|10:50 ghira goes home.
[lounge]|10:50 * ghira has disconnected.
[lounge]|10:50 genericgeekgirl says, "Hey ctate"
[jobs]|10:54 Nitku asks, "Does Bret keep some sick stuff on his e-reader?"
[jobs]|11:00 Tale says, "Ha ha"
[jobs]|11:00 Tale says, "Wouldn't surprise me, judging from the stuff he writes"
[paranoia]|11:05 Fang says, "hmmm, I wonder if this means anything"
[paranoia]|11:05 Fang says, "I've got an email about a GCHQ position"
[paranoia]|11:05 Fang | Fellows have to satisfy security clearance requirements. As described
[paranoia]|11:05 Fang | Fellows have to satisfy security clearance requirements. As described
[paranoia]|11:05 Fang | in the advertisement and further particulars, the Director of the
[paranoia]|11:05 Fang | Institute is willing to advise on eligibility. Apart from UK
[paranoia]|11:05 Fang | resident UK citizens, current staff include citizens of the US, Canada
[paranoia]|11:05 Fang | and Australia. Note however that citizens of EU countries other than
[paranoia]|11:05 Fang | the UK are not eligible.
[paranoia]|11:06 Fang asks, "that's a peculiar little axis, isn't it?"
[paranoia]|11:06 Doug asks, "speak english or die?"
[paranoia]|11:07 Gunther asks, "often called the axis of commonwealth?"
[lounge]|11:07 genericgeekgirl says, "Heh. Today's birthday boy stuck around all of four days."
[lounge]|11:08 Doug says, "it's also zarfday!"
[lounge]|11:08 genericgeekgirl exclaims, "Yay!"
[paranoia]|11:08 Fang asks, "what about new zealand?"
[lounge]|11:17 Grocible says, "hey, cool. Hail."
[lounge]|11:17 Grocible says, "As in, hail from the sky. I'm not greeting anybody."
[lounge]|11:17 genericgeekgirl says, "Haha."
[paranoia]|11:23 olethros says, "maoi man-eaters"
[greece]|11:25 olethros says, "ah fuck"
[greece]|11:25 olethros says, "they also will pay the hold out bondholders"
[tech]|11:27 Hjalfi exclaims, "In other news, bamboo keyboard and mouse!"
[tech]|11:27 Hjalfi | http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-keyboard-mouse-bamboo-wood/dp/B007IFS1ME/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1337095620&sr=1-1-catcorr
[tech]|11:27 Gunther says, "eeeagh"
[GRRM]|11:27 Allen | . There are some fictional details that drive me crazy. Like the seasonal shifts in George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series, where winter and summer last for years--sometimes decades--and nobody knows exactly when the seasons will change
[tech]|11:27 Hjalfi says, "I would want to try one before forking out that much money, though."
[tech]|11:28 Hjalfi says, "And the closeups don't look great."
[greece]|11:28 olethros says, "ah, summary of the minutes, in english http://news.radiobubble.gr/2012/05/meetings-between-president-of-republic.html "
[tech]|11:29 K-Y says, "oh, not Wacom"
[lounge]|11:29 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|11:29 * Tale has disconnected.
[tech]|11:29 Hjalfi says, "Cheaper one (but out of stock): http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WOODKYBMOU&cm_mmc=geekmail-_-daily_daily_html-_-01Nov07-_-WOODKYBMOU "
[lounge]|11:29 josh_g is protected by public incredulity.
[lounge]|11:29 elf goes home.
[lounge]|11:30 josh_g says, "hi"
[Windows]|11:30 josh_g | Bing Desktop delivers the beauty of the Bing homepage to your Windows desktop each day.
[Windows]|11:31 josh_g says, "ok, now where is the 'DEAR LORD NO NEVER PLEASE' option"
[Windows]|11:31 Gunther says, "I lol'd"
[Windows]|11:32 K-Y says, "already get that on Xbox thx"
[Windows]|11:32 josh_g says, "yet another reason why I don't own an Xbox"
[lounge]|11:32 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Josh"
[greece]|11:35 olethros says, "ha ha papoulias is awesome"
[Windows]|11:35 K-Y says, "Metro is already awful on Xbox, yes"
[greece]|11:35 olethros | Papoulias said Mihaloliakos [the nazi guy] had been quite specific but had a question as to how all he proposed would be implemented.
[greece]|11:35 olethros | Mihaloliakis said his 7% did not give him the right to be the regulator
[Windows]|11:35 K-Y says, "but fortunately I spend mere minutes in the dashboard"
[Windows]|11:37 K-Y says, "the best part is where they expect you to conveniently use Bing to locate everything, so they made all the browsing interfaces unusable"
[lounge]|11:38 zaphod emerges.
[Windows]|11:38 K-Y says, "Bing without a keyboard is about as convenient as you would expect"
[lounge]|11:38 olethros waits for the second head
[lounge]|11:39 zaphod says, "Hi everyone!"
[lounge]|11:40 Roger is described as an oily liquid, bp 205. Characteristic goat-like odor.
[craft]|11:40 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[GRRM]|11:40 Roger says, "belatedly hahaha"
[WIP]|11:40 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[wnyip]|11:41 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[convotheory]|11:41 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[combat-code]|11:42 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[WNIP]|11:43 * zaphod has joined the channel.
[lounge]|11:44 ctate says, "zoop"
[lounge]|11:44 ctate would love to watch a sporking contest, preferably involving berry pie.
[lounge]|11:44 genericgeekgirl says, "hi zaphod, Roger"
[lounge]|11:44 Roger says, "Hello girl"
[Internet]|11:48 vimes says, "er whut"
[Internet]|11:48 vimes | website that you are trying to access is in Offline Mode, which means the server is not currently responding.
[Internet]|11:48 vimes | To browse the site from cache, click the button below.
[food]|11:50 Hjalfi says, "I appear to have lots of avocados."
[quotations]|11:50 olethros | The time-closet of history
[food]|11:50 olethros says, "avocado burger!"
[gripe]|11:50 josh_g says, "so speaking of horrible internets"
[food]|11:50 Hjalfi says, "What's a good thing to do with avocados other than eating lumps of the stuff or turning them into guacamole? (Which is awesome.)"
[gripe]|11:50 josh_g says, "I can't get my f'ing Yahoo account to let me log in"
[gripe]|11:50 josh_g says, "which I wouldn't care about except I want to use Flickr"
[gripe]|11:51 josh_g says, "I am not even sure anymore if I'm trying the right username, or whether I did something weird when my flickr account migrated to yahoo"
[food]|11:51 Hjalfi says, "Cow orker suggests frying it in butter, but given that I'm trying to *lose* weight..."
[food]|11:51 Nitku says, "salad"
[gripe]|11:51 Jon says, "no, Yahoo is just incredibly dumb."
[gripe]|11:51 Jon says, "I have the same issue."
[food]|11:51 Hjalfi says, "That counts as lumps of avocado."
[food]|11:52 olethros says, "hm, you dont need butter to fry avocado"
[food]|11:52 Hjalfi says, "The texture and taste makes me think that putting it *in* things might be feasible --- cake, for example."
[food]|11:52 olethros says, "I suggest an avocado risotto"
[food]|11:52 Roger says, "They're pretty good as an ice cream ingredient"
[gripe]|11:52 Jon says, "so I ended up switching to smugmug. although in practice I actually seem to have switched to 'not uploading photos except to facebook sometimes'"
[food]|11:53 olethros says, "avocado pie should be fine too. Or cake. Use it instead of ricotta."
[food]|11:53 Hjalfi says, "Hmm."
[food]|11:53 olethros says, "you can also mix it with other stuff for sauces"
[food]|11:54 genericgeekgirl says, "I use avocado in smoothies. Sometimes I throw it into pasta sauce if I have some I really want to use up."
[food]|11:54 Hjalfi asks, "It's got a nice fatty texture without actually being fatty. I wonder if it would make a whipped cream substitute for things like sponge cake?"
[food]|11:54 olethros says, "yes!"
[food]|11:54 olethros says, "again, like ricotta and other whey cheeses"
[food]|11:54 Hjalfi says, "Mascarpone..."
[food]|11:55 olethros says, "mascarpone is just cream"
[gripe]|11:55 josh_g says, "I guess I could try smugmug"
[gripe]|11:55 josh_g says, "the worst part is, my flickr login info is still working from Lightroom. so I just uploaded a set of photos"
[food]|11:55 Hjalfi says, "It doesn't have the greasiness of cream, which I really like about it."
[gripe]|11:56 josh_g says, "but I can't see any way of extracting that info again from lightroom"
[food]|11:56 Hjalfi asks, "Hm. Avocado tiramisu?"
[lounge]|11:56 zaphod says, "Oops, train...."
[food]|11:56 olethros says, "yes, possible, I am sure.."
[lounge]|11:56 zaphod goes home.
[lounge]|11:56 * zaphod has disconnected.
[food]|11:56 Hjalfi says, "Many things are possible. Many things are also nauseating."
[food]|11:56 olethros says, "but I thought you wanted to avoid (( ))"
[food]|11:56 olethros says, "I think it'll be glorious"
[food]|11:56 Hjalfi says, "I remember trying a recipe for garlic chocolate cake what I found on the internet. It... wasn't a success."
[lounge]|11:56 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[food]|11:56 olethros says, "eeagh garlic chocolate"
[food]|11:57 olethros says, "chili chocolate is ok, but garlic/onion does not go well"
[food]|11:57 Hjalfi says, "I know that *now*."
[food]|11:57 Hjalfi says, "Oh, yes, do try zarf's chocolate balls of doom."
[food]|11:57 olethros says, "I once made fried eggs with honey"
[food]|11:57 olethros says, "that was a mistake"
[lounge]|11:59 inky has, however, forgotten to kidnap a preacher.
[lounge]|12:00 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi inky"
[lounge]|12:01 inky says, "good morning"
[lounge]|12:01 vimes says, "good morning, lounge"
[workplace]|12:01 Allen says, "man, I needed the help of our dba"
[lounge]|12:02 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|12:02 * Marktwo has connected.
[workplace]|12:02 Allen says, "and went over. One of our other data people said he wasn't there. I said I'd come back later. She said "Don't bother until Ryan (our head of data services) gets back from vacation. James (our dba) hasn't hauled his lazy ass in once since Ryan went on vacation.""
[workplace]|12:03 inky says, "wow"
[workplace]|12:03 vimes says, "wow"
[workplace]|12:05 Allen says, "when he does show up, it's never before noon"
[workplace]|12:05 josh_g says, "sheesh"
[workplace]|12:05 Allen says, "apparently the problem is that he's contract, and for some reason the contract signed makes it really difficult to fire him."
[teaching]|12:06 josh_g says, "I really love this morning class"
[workplace]|12:06 Allen says, "so much so that our legal department is involved."
[teaching]|12:06 josh_g says, "I'm in for a few days for a digital media teacher, and his morning class just gets stuff done"
[teaching]|12:06 josh_g says, "the few who are goofing off are at least either quiet about it, or doing something awesome like making a massive obsidian volcano world for minecraft"
[teaching]|12:07 josh_g says, "(which I would love to see exported to 3dsmax as an actual assignment, but I think the exporters out there would keel over and die at the size of this thing)"
[lounge]|12:07 DavidW materializes out from a silver haze in the light.
[lounge]|12:07 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi DW, vimes"
[lounge]|12:08 DavidW says, "hello"
[lounge]|12:08 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|12:08 ghira says, "meep"
[lounge]|12:08 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi ghira"
[workplace]|12:09 inky says, "dang"
[workplace]|12:09 inky says, "you would think a contractor would be easier to fire, not harder"
[security]|12:10 inky | http://howsecureismypassword.net/
[security]|12:11 inky says, "plus their sister sites, howsecureismyusername.net and howsecureismybankwebsite.net"
[D&D]|12:12 GDorn | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/b9creations/b9creator-a-high-resolution-3d-printer
[lounge]|12:13 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[D&D]|12:14 GDorn says, "theoretical resolution down to .1mm"
[D&D]|12:14 GDorn says, "or possibly .05mm"
[security]|12:16 K-Y says, "howsecureismyhouse.net"
[D&D]|12:16 GDorn says, "the materials are a tad expensive, though"
[security]|12:17 K-Y says, "'we will promptly dispatch a team to find out in the next 3-5 business days'"
[D&D]|12:17 Hjalfi says, "Nice."
[workplace]|12:17 genericgeekgirl says, "Generally speaking, you can't terminate a contractor so long as they're "delivering." Presumably one can make a case here that this guy *isn't*, but you have to be careful. Legally speaking, you can screw yourself over by breaching the contract without just cause."
[D&D]|12:18 Hjalfi says, "The pledge levels are a bit steep. $5, $25, $2375..."
[D&D]|12:18 Hjalfi says, "Only to be expected, given that you're actually getting an expensive bit of hardware."
[D&D]|12:18 inky says, "heh"
[D&D]|12:18 inky says, "yeah, I was just noticing that"
[D&D]|12:18 GDorn says, "the photosensitive stuff is 10c a gram, or $45/lb, whereas 1.75mm filament runs about $20/lb"
[D&D]|12:19 inky asks, "so it's like $1000 more than those other printers but you save $25/lb?"
[lunch]|12:19 genericgeekgirl says, "Leftover vegetarian pho, with added fried tofu. It's.. pretty terrible, but I wasn't feeling well Sunday and Amdi wanted to bring me something."
[D&D]|12:19 inky asks, "how many miniatures can you make with 40 pounds of resin?"
[D&D]|12:19 Hjalfi says, "No, no, the other way round..."
[D&D]|12:20 inky says, "oh, whoops"
[D&D]|12:20 Hjalfi says, "The printer is more expensive *and* the source material is more expensive. But you do get decent resolution."
[D&D]|12:20 GDorn says, "you get 10-20x the resolution, in theory"
[D&D]|12:20 Hjalfi says, "Guy I know has a reprap. Resolution is adequate but not pretty. This is loads nicer."
[D&D]|12:20 GDorn asks, "what rez is the reprap, 3mm?"
[D&D]|12:20 Hjalfi says, "0.25mm? Hang on..."
[D&D]|12:22 GDorn | It consists of a barrel with a melting zone or chamber near the tip closed off with a fixed or removable nozzle with a diameter of between 0.3mm and 1.0mm with typical size of 0.5mm with present generation extruders.
[D&D]|12:23 GDorn says, "so I guess you can use a variety of extruders, and you can get down to 0.3mm"
[D&D]|12:23 Hjalfi says, "I see a mention of somebody using a reprap at 0.001 and 0.0005mm."
[D&D]|12:23 Hjalfi says, "See the pictures: http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?1,116252,116751,quote=1 "
[D&D]|12:23 GDorn says, "it must take absolutely forever to print something at 0.0005mm"
[D&D]|12:23 Hjalfi says, "I suspect it does, and that the limiting factor is the size of the print head (which is huge)."
[D&D]|12:25 Hjalfi says, "The B9 looks like it produces a really nice finish, too."
[D&D]|12:25 GDorn says, "given that if I were to print minis with one, acrylic paint would do some finishing, too."
[D&D]|12:25 GDorn says, "that sentence fell apart on me."
[D&D]|12:26 Hjalfi asks, "Have you looked into mail order places like Shapeways?"
[D&D]|12:27 GDorn asks, "you mean to get them to print models for me, or for examples?"
[D&D]|12:27 Hjalfi says, "Either, really."
[D&D]|12:27 GDorn says, "I looked into it a few months ago and it was still pretty pricey"
[D&D]|12:28 GDorn says, "good for printing highly custom minis, not so good for printing a goblin horde"
[D&D]|12:28 Hjalfi says, "Shapeways charge by the cubic centimetre, so it's difficult to know how the price compares."
[D&D]|12:28 Hjalfi says, "Ah."
[D&D]|12:29 Hjalfi says, "Hey, they do ceramics. Priced per *square* centimetre."
[D&D]|12:29 Hjalfi | http://www.shapeways.com/materials/ceramics
[D&D]|12:30 GDorn says, "a reprap with a .3mm head is probably good enough, but there just aren't enough examples out there."
[D&D]|12:30 Hjalfi says, "Repraps are *slow*. I've seen one in action. And the higher the quality, the more the slowness."
[D&D]|12:30 GDorn says, "yeah"
[D&D]|12:31 Hjalfi says, "...I so want a 3D printer. I don't know what I'd do with it, but *so cool*."
[D&D]|12:31 GDorn says, "but if they're stable enough, you just set it to printing and walk away"
[D&D]|12:31 Hjalfi says, "Plus you can print multiple items at once (in a grid)."
[D&D]|12:35 GDorn says, "looks like most repraps are still priced around the $1k mark, for full kits"
[D&D]|12:42 Hjalfi says, "Here's one for $549: http://printrbot.com/shop/printrbot/ "
[D&D]|12:42 Hjalfi says, "Well, there was one. Out of stock."
[lounge]|12:48 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[lounge]|12:51 flinch flinch flinch, flinch flinch flinch flinch!
[D&D]|12:53 katre says, "duchess has been wanting me to build new shelves"
[D&D]|12:53 katre says, "clearly I should use that to justify buying a 3d printer"
[D&D]|12:54 Jon says, "man, if I hadn't already spent money on expensive things this year I would be all over this kickstarter."
[D&D]|12:54 inky says, "ha ha"
[D&D]|12:54 inky says, "the thing is it seems like getting a 3d printer like this isn't much use unless you are also good at generating 3d model designs"
[D&D]|12:55 Jon asks, "aren't other people good at that?"
[lounge]|12:55 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi flinch."
[D&D]|12:56 inky asks, "I dunno, are they?"
[D&D]|12:56 vimes says, "that's what thingiverse is for!"
[D&D]|12:56 inky asks, "like are there already cad designs out there for orc warriors?"
[lounge]|12:56 flinch chflin chflin, chflin chflin chflin chflin!
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:56 Jon asks, "can quadrotors fly upside down?"
[D&D]|12:57 vimes says, "mostly i see mechas on thingiverse"
[D&D]|12:57 Jon says, "start a kickstarter to raise money for miniature thingiverse files"
[D&D]|12:57 inky says, "interesting"
[D&D]|12:57 inky asks, "is thingiverse the general format all of these printers use?"
[lounge]|12:58 genericgeekgirl says, "I guess I scared it off."
[D&D]|12:58 Jon says, "I have no idea, but I think there's a common format."
[D&D]|12:58 Jon says, "whatever the name is"
[D&D]|12:58 vimes says, "no, it's a website.  stl is the common format"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:58 inky says, "I guess so: http://hackaday.com/2012/02/24/variable-pitch-quadrocopter-flies-upside-down/ "
[lounge]|12:58 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:59 Jon says, "huh, that's the same thing I just found."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:59 Jon asks, "so I guess you need special ones to fly upside down?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:59 inky says, "it seems like maybe, yeah"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:59 Jon says, "I wonder how much it would cost to build one."
[D&D]|13:00 vimes says, "looks like a thing people do a lot is pull 3d models from your-favorite-video-game and turn them into stl models for printing"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:00 lpsmith says, "Well, if you had a 3-d printer..."
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:00 Jon says, "haha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:00 Jon says, "nanofabricator"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:01 Hjalfi says, "They're obviously aiming at the Australian market."
[D&D]|13:01 inky says, "I think the closest thing I can find is http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:9885 "
[lounge]|13:01 ParserGirl wakes.
[D&D]|13:01 inky says (to vimes), "oh, hunh"
[D&D]|13:01 vimes says, "ha ha"
[D&D]|13:01 inky says, "which I guess wouldn't be distributed much since they're copyright"
[D&D]|13:01 Jon says, "mmm, Tali miniatures"
[sex]|13:03 Bishop says, "The most important mattress comparison out there (who cares how good a night's sleep they give you?): < http://www.sleeplikethedead.com/mattress-sex.html >."
[lounge]|13:04 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Ellison, PG"
[sex]|13:04 Jon says, "if you can afford to consider a mattress just for sex, you probably can afford to have multiple mattresses."
[sex]|13:04 vimes says, "one of each!"
[sex]|13:04 vimes says, "mattress room!"
[lounge]|13:05 Ellison says, "hey hey"
[sex]|13:05 Matthew exclaims, "For once, sleeping on the floor is okay!"
[sex]|13:05 inky says, "I am imagining a room with mattresses on every wall, and you can rotate the room to put the appropriate mattress on the "floor""
[sex]|13:05 vimes says (to inky), "Stiffy Makane in: Zork III"
[sex]|13:05 Matthew says, "Ha ha ha ho my."
[sex]|13:06 inky says, "ha ha ha"
[lounge]|13:06 Tale is an obscure allusion to Beast Wars Second: "Chi seimeitai Transformer", which featured a celestial rabbit named Moon, who lived on the moon.
[books]|13:06 Tale says, "Yay, my copy of "Making of Prince of Persia" arrived."
[books]|13:08 Jon asks, "what about 'Making of Making of Prince of Persia'?"
[lounge]|13:09 Hjalfi says, "Offtime."
[lounge]|13:09 Hjalfi enthusiastically mundanifies between spasms of personality-occultism and off-topic casual/social-leveraging.
[lounge]|13:17 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Tale"
[WWIII]|13:20 Gunther | A solid case for the prosecution of Bush, Blair, Rumsfeld, Cheney, their legal counsel and others, for war crimes, crimes against the peace, torture, and crimes against humanity has been established at the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal with a guilty verdict on day 5 of the third major session of the Tribunal.
[lounge]|13:21 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[lounge]|13:21 olethros says, "la la la"
[lounge]|13:21 olethros says, "aaaaaaa"
[lounge]|13:21 olethros says, "zum zum"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:21 baf asks, "Hm. Can you melt down and reuse 3D-printed stuff?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:22 katre says, "depends on what substrate it uses"
[lounge]|13:22 olethros says, "(ASCII-pella)"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:22 Roger says, "I imagine it could be recycled but probably not worthwhile on a non-industrial scale"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:22 katre says, "CandyFab you could probably dissolve and recrystalize the substrate for re-use, for example"
[WWIII]|13:23 josh_g says, "yay, I guess"
[drugs]|13:23 josh_g says, "so, yeah, I'm covering a class that's talking about drugs this afternoon"
[German]|13:23 olethros says, "ok, I need a german speaker for a brief interview"
[WWIII]|13:23 Gunther says, "it means nothing, but I'm glad at least ONE country isn't chickenshit"
[drugs]|13:23 josh_g says, "at a school where a grade 12 girl died this fall from ecstacy use"
[lounge]|13:23 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[drugs]|13:23 josh_g says, "and I'm going to show them ... a video"
[drugs]|13:23 josh_g says, "maybe"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:23 lpsmith exclaims (at katre), "That is disgusting!"
[drugs]|13:23 josh_g says, "except I think it will piss me off so we'll see"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:24 lpsmith says, "Oh, wait, you probably didn't mean by eating it."
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:24 katre says, "ha ha ha"
[WWIII]|13:24 olethros says, "for justice!"
[drugs]|13:24 josh_g says, "I may just say screw the curriculum and talk to them about my sister who committed suicide while she was on antidepressants and alcohol"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:24 katre says, "everyone knows the sugar is metabolozied in that case Mr Biochemist"
[chemistry]|13:24 Gunther says (to katre), "I have a wonderful story for you"
[chemistry]|13:25 katre says, "I love wonderful stories!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:25 lpsmith says, "Doesn't mean it couldn't be re-crystallized."
[chemistry]|13:25 Gunther says, "a friend's friend was regaling him with a list of dangerous E numbers"
[chemistry]|13:25 olethros asks, "is it about a lonely molecule?"
[chemistry]|13:25 Gunther says, "included in the list: E330"
[chemistry]|13:25 olethros says, "ha ha"
[chemistry]|13:25 Gunther says, "because it is part of the Krebs cycle (Krebs is german for cancer)"
[chemistry]|13:25 olethros says, "ha ha ha"
[chemistry]|13:25 katre says, "hee hee"
[chemistry]|13:26 olethros says, "all Es are bad! apart from ecstasy"
[chemistry]|13:26 Gunther says, "two thumbs up."
[chemistry]|13:26 katre just looked up E330
[chemistry]|13:26 ghira says, "so did ghira"
[chemistry]|13:26 josh_g . o O ( E number? )
[chemistry]|13:26 ghira says (to josh_g), "food additive"
[lounge]|13:26 genericgeekgirl says, "hi olethros, two-star"
[chemistry]|13:26 olethros says, "yeah, I laughed the first time, when I looked it up, and the second time, when I saw the reasoning"
[chemistry]|13:26 Gunther says, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_number "
[chemistry]|13:26 katre says (to josh), "all food additives in the EU get an E number"
[chemistry]|13:26 katre says, "E330 is citric acid"
[chemistry]|13:26 Gunther says, "and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E330 "
[chemistry]|13:27 katre says, "it's an acid! it'll melt your face, or at least make you think your face is melting!"
[chemistry]|13:27 ghira says, "this is even odder than when we studied Kundt's Tube in physics"
[chemistry]|13:27 josh_g says, "ha ha"
[chemistry]|13:27 olethros asks, "it makes everything you insert into it into art?"
[chemistry]|13:27 olethros says, "wait that's Kunst"
[lounge]|13:27 Dave says, "morning"
[German]|13:28 olethros says, "if anyone is available, that'd be nice"
[chemistry]|13:28 ghira says, "we used it to demonstrate standing waves. wiki says it could be used to measure the speed of sound too"
[chemistry]|13:29 olethros says, "if it's a standing wave, I assume so. Hm."
[chemistry]|13:29 olethros says, "measure frequency of wave, length of tube"
[tangent]|13:31 Roger says, "There should be a version of slow glass except for sound"
[tangent]|13:33 Roger says, "I guess it'd be easy to mock up with minimal hardware"
[German]|13:34 Tale asks, "Guten Tag, Herr Dimitrakakis. Haben sie gut zu uns gefunden?"
[WWIII]|13:34 Fang says, "KLWCT isn't a government organisation"
[WWIII]|13:35 Fang says, "it's I think, basically a 9/11 truther thing"
[music]|13:36 josh_g says, "apropos yesterday"
[music]|13:36 josh_g | http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/05/skrillex-as-reviewed-by-very-young-children/
[drugs]|13:38 lpsmith says, "#belated, but I would go with the not-video plan, too.  You might even be able to get the kids to share stories."
[drugs]|13:39 josh_g says, "yeah"
[drugs]|13:39 josh_g says, "some basic stuff already came out yesterday"
[drugs]|13:39 josh_g says, "around alcohol use"
[German]|13:39 Tale says, "Extremely short interview, then!"
[drugs]|13:40 josh_g says, "talking about this topic doesn't phase me a lot, but the idea of handing emotional control of the room over to a video on something this volatile scares the heck out of me"
[drugs]|13:40 josh_g says, "probably more for my own sake than theirs"
[drugs]|13:41 maga says, "well, also the default response to a video is 'this is the stupidest thing ever'"
[drugs]|13:41 josh_g says, "yep"
[music]|13:41 Fang says, "I wonder what sort of musics kids actually like"
[lounge]|13:41 Johnny insisted that the mobile hot-dog-on-a-bun did nothing wrong.
[music]|13:42 Fang says, "I mean, without the confusing factor of parental influence and peer pressure"
[music]|13:42 josh_g says, "I wonder what sort of music any human being would like without those factors"
[music]|13:42 josh_g says, "but, my little guy does in fact enjoy "kids' music""
[music]|13:42 josh_g says, "eg. TMBG "Here Comes the 123s""
[music]|13:43 K-Y says (to josh_g), "smooth jazz"
[music]|13:43 josh_g says, "he'll go along with me playing moderately loud or complex rock, but doesn't choose it"
[music]|13:43 Fang says, "I mean, there's like a traditional image that kids like loud music, and dislike classical music"
[music]|13:44 Fang says, "for example"
[music]|13:44 josh_g asks, "oh, are you thinking teenagers now?"
[music]|13:44 katre says, "when Z was about 3, he and I went for a drive (to the aquarium, I think)"
[music]|13:44 Fang says, "I thought that's the prevailing image for all youngsters"
[music]|13:44 katre says, ""Let It Be" came on the radio so I started singing along"
[music]|13:44 Fang says, "up to the age of um"
[music]|13:44 Fang asks, "30?"
[music]|13:44 katre says, "and then from the back seta "Turn off this song, Abbu, I don't like sad songs""
[music]|13:45 Fang says, "heh"
[German]|13:45 olethros says, "Bitte warte ein Moment"
[music]|13:46 Ryan says, "Sophie has fairly broad musical tastes, but since she spends so much time with her mom, she generally leans towards pop and dance."
[music]|13:46 K-Y says, "I'm not sure if by peer pressure you mean the sense that music needs to be credible or non-embarrassing"
[music]|13:46 Fang asks, "but such young children understand when a song is supposed to be sad or happy?"
[music]|13:46 Ryan says, "Still, I played some Wynton Marsalis for her the other day and she loved it."
[music]|13:47 josh_g says, "songs *are* sad or happy"
[music]|13:47 josh_g says, "so, sure"
[music]|13:47 Fang says (to K-Y), "yeah, probably"
[music]|13:47 josh_g says, "I don't think you need training or experience to connect to emotional content in music"
[music]|13:48 josh_g says, "like if I put on some hardcore, I'm pretty sure my son would recognize "wow that guy sounds angry""
[music]|13:48 Fang says (to josh_g), "well, I mean, I've heard that connations to certain types of compositions can vary culturally"
[German]|13:48 olethros says (to tale), "unserer Thema ist Geld."
[music]|13:48 Fang says, "connotations"
[music]|13:49 Fang says, "so there must be some aspect where these things are learnt"
[German]|13:49 olethros says, "Bitte pinge mich wenn du zuruckgekommt ist."
[music]|13:49 Fang says, "well, some of these things"
[German]|13:49 olethros says, "(or wirst?)"
[German]|13:50 olethros says, "(man)"
[German]|13:51 olethros says, "aha"
[music]|13:51 two-star says, "Right. Like, minor means sad is learned."
[German]|13:51 olethros says, "So, die erste Frage ist uber das Gelt in Deutsches Kultur"
[German]|13:51 olethros asks, "Kann man in Deutschland uber das Einkommen frelich sprechen?"
[German]|13:52 Tale says, "(*Geld*, *in der deutschen Kultur*)"
[German]|13:52 olethros says, "(danke)"
[German]|13:52 Tale says, "Normalerweise tut man das nicht. Auch nicht unter Kollegen. Eigentlich kommt es nur zur Sprache, wenn man Gehaltsverhandlungen fuehrt."
[German]|13:54 olethros asks, "Ist das richtig auch für Sprache mit der Familie oder uten Fruenden?"
[German]|13:54 olethros says, "*guten"
[German]|13:55 Tale says, "Nein, da kann man darueber reden. Allerdings ist vielen Leuten das Thema unangenehm."
[German]|13:56 Tale says, "(Are umlauts showing for you? Test ->oeaeue)"
[German]|13:56 olethros says, "üuoö"
[German]|13:57 olethros says, "(I can write them but I cannot see yours)"
[German]|13:58 olethros says, "In Griechenland spricht man oft über das Geld, sagendam meistens das er zu wenige hat."
[German]|13:59 olethros says, "(man, this is such a boring topic)"
[English]|13:59 inky | I do think my weight-loss journey shows determination, a must-do attitude and resilience
[English]|13:59 inky says, "it seems like a must-do attitude would actually be less impressive than a can-do attitude"
[German]|14:00 olethros asks, "Nomalerweise, wass machen die Leute mit eure Geld? Sparen sie? Kaufen sie Autos? Spielen sie in Casino?"
[German]|14:00 Tale says, "MAn kann schon allgemein ueber Geld reden, aber dann sagt man auch hier das man zu wenig hat."
[German]|14:00 Tale says, "Sparen, Haeuser und Autos kaufen..."
[English]|14:01 Ellison says, "heh"
[German]|14:01 olethros says, "OK, danke fur deine Zeit."
[German]|14:01 olethros says, "(so boring)"
[English]|14:01 katre says, ""I must.. I must... I must decrease my weight!""
[lounge]|14:02 Tale Kein Problem.
[lounge]|14:02 Tale says, "Ilac"
[lounge]|14:02 Tale says, "Though there seem to be no problems in the lounge either"
[German]|14:02 Tale says, "Kein Problem."
[German]|14:02 Tale asks, "Wofuer war dieses Gespraech? Willst du dein deutsch verbessern?"
[German]|14:03 olethros says, "Ich habe eine Abgabe."
[German]|14:04 olethros says, "hm vielleicht welche Frage mehr.."
[German]|14:04 Tale asks, "Abgabe? Meinst du, du musst an der Universitaet etwas abgeben?"
[English]|14:04 ghira says, "also, quote search = lose weight"
[German]|14:04 Gunther says, "er meint HÜ"
[English]|14:04 inky says, "hee hee"
[lounge]|14:04 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, pale violet this time of day.
[lounge]|14:05 Gunther says, "it's the birthdayzarf"
[German]|14:05 Tale says (to gunther), "Das kam hier nicht richtig an."
[lounge]|14:05 Tale says, "Happy Birthday, zarf"
[German]|14:05 Gunther says, "H&Uuml;"
[German]|14:05 Gunther says, "Hausuebung"
[German]|14:05 Tale says, "Ah!"
[lounge]|14:05 Ellison says, "yay birthday"
[lounge]|14:06 zarf says, "thank you"
[German]|14:06 olethros says, "aufgabe/abgabe fur den Deutsch-SprachKurs das ich folge."
[lounge]|14:06 zarf says, "My birthday has been listed in wikipedia for years, you know"
[lounge]|14:06 djfletch is thought to have been among those present.
[German]|14:06 olethros says, "ja ubung"
[programming]|14:06 katre says, "oh hey! success!"
[lounge]|14:06 Bishop says (to zarf), "So has mine! But not as my birthday."
[programming]|14:07 katre says, "now I am getting errors from _my_ code, not the gateway proxy server's code"
[German]|14:07 olethros says, "*der ich folge"
[lounge]|14:07 inky says, "ha ha"
[German]|14:07 Tale says, "Sorry, Kumpel, *dem*"
[German]|14:07 Gunther says, "no, 'der' is right"
[German]|14:07 Gunther says, "Die Uebung der ich folge"
[German]|14:07 Gunther says, "oh, never mind, Tale is right"
[German]|14:07 Tale says, "Er sagte aber Kurs"
[German]|14:08 olethros asks, "ehm ?"
[German]|14:08 olethros says, "(der) Kurs der ich folge, no? (die) Frau die ich folge. etc"
[German]|14:08 Tale says, ""Der Kurs, dem ich folge" aber "Die Uebung, der ich folge""
[jobs]|14:08 inky says, "so I'm using noscript and usually only enable sites that are important, so not ad sites, tracking sites, etc"
[German]|14:08 olethros says, "oh, hm"
[German]|14:08 Gunther says, "und Die Schicksale der Nornen"
[German]|14:08 olethros says, "folge + Akk"
[jobs]|14:08 inky says, "I've been sitting here for a while trying to debug why this google analytics code I put onto a page isn't working"
[German]|14:08 Gunther says, "+ dat"
[lounge]|14:09 Ellison says (to Bishop), "ha"
[lounge]|14:09 Bishop says, "(unless I'm actually Pearl Buck or Peter Lorre, and never noticed)"
[German]|14:09 olethros says, "OK. folge + AKk, and article moves to beginning of subclause"
[jobs]|14:09 zarf says, "yay"
[German]|14:09 Gunther says, "+ Dat"
[German]|14:09 olethros says, "+ Dat"
[German]|14:09 olethros says, "darn"
[German]|14:09 Gunther says, "WEM folge ich"
[lounge]|14:09 Tale says, "MAn, secretly being Peter Lorre would be awesome"
[lounge]|14:09 Grocible says, "happy zarfday"
[German]|14:09 Gunther says, "if you remember it's die/der/der/die for the four cases it cannot be acc."
[lounge]|14:09 Tale says, "Maybe not in his latter days, all coked out and whatnot"
[German]|14:09 Gunther says, "also der/des/dem/den and das/des/dem/das"
[German]|14:10 olethros says, "I should really memorise those"
[lounge]|14:11 Bishop says, "I suppose if you believe in reincarnation, you need to look for people who _died_ on my birthday, though."
[lounge]|14:12 Grocible asks, "your birthday?"
[lounge]|14:12 Grocible asks, "or your conceptionday?"
[I7]|14:13 Tale asks, "Anyone around to answer a question?"
[lounge]|14:13 Bishop says, "Depends when you think humans are ensouled or whatever. I'd rather go with the former, since determining the latter involves asking the parents some awkward questions."
[German]|14:14 olethros says, "hm, wait, I have memorised these, I just forgot"
[lounge]|14:15 Tale says, "God didn't want us to ask awkward questions of our parents"
[German]|14:15 olethros says, "I am a bit confused with the adjectives"
[I7]|14:21 Roger says, "I could take a stab at something"
[jobs]|14:21 katre says, "heh"
[I7]|14:23 Tale says, "So, I want an event to trigger at either a) a certain time (like x turns into a scene) or trigger it manually, if the player does a certain action"
[I7]|14:24 lpsmith asks, "Can scenes begin from more than one trigger yet?"
[I7]|14:24 lpsmith says, "If not, you just need to introduce a layer of indirection."
[I7]|14:24 Tale says (to lpsmith), "I don't know, but scene triggering isn't really the issue"
[I7]|14:25 lpsmith says, "'scene X begins when Y is set' and then set y x turns into a scene, and another rule to set Y when the player does the thing."
[I7]|14:25 lpsmith says, "Well, I'd probably script the event as a scene."
[I7]|14:26 Tale says, "Oha, hm."
[I7]|14:26 Tale says, "I need one trigger, set at indepedent intervals"
[I7]|14:27 Tale says, "And then do a "for the first time"-rule"
[I7]|14:28 lpsmith says, "The other advantage of scenes is that you can set it to be non-recurring, and then you don't have to worry about it happening after the player does foo *and* after x turns have passed."
[I7]|14:28 Roger says, "This is good advice."
[I7]|14:29 Tale says (to lpsmith), "Right, but it might interfer with other things I have set up. I think I need to replan some stuff."
[I7]|14:29 lpsmith nods.
[jobs]|14:30 Jon says, "woo google analytics"
[MacOS]|14:31 Jon asks, "anyone have opinions on Chocolat ( http://chocolatapp.com/ ) as a replacement for TextMate?"
[MacOS]|14:31 Gunther says, "1) it costs money what the hell, 2) comic sans"
[greece]|14:31 Allen | Even Jose Manuel Barroso, the usually cautious president of the European Commission, had a stark warning for the Greeks: "If a member of a club does not respect the rules of the club, it's better not to remain in the club," he told Italy's Tg24 TV last week.
[MacOS]|14:31 Jon says, "I also use emacs quite a lot, but I like TextMate's project navigation and haven't found a good emacs solution for that."
[greece]|14:31 Allen says, "The sign on the tree house said NO GIRLS!"
[MacOS]|14:32 inky asks, "most things on the mac cost money, don't they?"
[greece]|14:32 inky says, "hmm"
[music]|14:32 K-Y says (to Gunther), "see channetiming"
[MacOS]|14:32 Jon says, "well, a lot of things do."
[music]|14:32 K-Y says, "ilac"
[greece]|14:32 inky asks, "so that is saying "if you don't want to follow the austerity recs, you should leave the EU"?"
[MacOS]|14:32 zarf says, "I've been using TextWrangler (BBedit's free fork) forever"
[MacOS]|14:33 Jon says, "honestly I care more about whether something is free software (by the FSF's definition) than whether it costs money."
[MacOS]|14:33 Jon says, "(though of course this isn't free by either definition)"
[greece]|14:33 Allen says, "maybe"
[MacOS]|14:34 inky asks, "is anything gnu-free but not beer-free?"
[MacOS]|14:35 inky asks, "I guess maybe if they give you the source code if you buy it?"
[MacOS]|14:35 Jon says, "I think there are a few things, yeah."
[finance]|14:35 ghira says, "I saw something about how JP Morgan was making a mistake by having the same person be CEO and chairman. To what extent do most people know what the distinction is? I know I have no clue."
[finance]|14:35 Jon says, "the CEO runs the company. the chairman runs the board of directors."
[finance]|14:35 inky says, "that seems pretty common to me"
[finance]|14:36 zarf says, "I'm sure it's common, but I don't know if that's true for really big companies"
[finance]|14:36 Jon says, "the only case I could name was Steve Jobs."
[finance]|14:36 inky says, "the thing is that nominally the board of directors is supposed to represent the interests of the company and so keep the CEO in check"
[finance]|14:36 Allen says, "it's seems more common in young companies"
[finance]|14:36 ghira says, "I think Hudsucker in the film was both"
[finance]|14:36 Allen says, "where one guy pretty much founded and did everything"
[finance]|14:36 inky says, "but in practice the board of directors are all friends of the CEO and let them do whatever"
[finance]|14:36 zarf says, "the board represents the interests of the investors/owners, rather"
[finance]|14:36 inky says, "yeah, that's better put"
[finance]|14:37 K-Y says, "basically in practice nonprofits are made to comply harder with that idea than forprofits, I think"
[finance]|14:37 ghira says, "I have no clear idea of what a board of directors does, I guess."
[finance]|14:37 inky says, "interesting"
[lounge]|14:37 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|14:37 * Tale has disconnected.
[finance]|14:37 Allen says, "Larry Ellison used to be chairman & ceo. I don't know if he still is"
[lounge]|14:37 Tale is an obscure allusion to Beast Wars Second: "Chi seimeitai Transformer", which featured a celestial rabbit named Moon, who lived on the moon.
[finance]|14:37 Allen says, "whazzhisname at Whole Foods was both until last last year"
[finance]|14:38 inky says, "they approve big changes and stock grants and are technically liable if the company does something bad, I think"
[finance]|14:38 zarf says, "(correction to earlier: Steve Jobs was not chairman and CEO at the same time.)"
[jobs]|14:38 ghira says, "we've had two of our HR people quit and the third one go on maternity leave. I wonder how this will work."
[jobs]|14:39 ghira says, "various people speculate that no-one will notice any difference"
[jobs]|14:39 inky says, "ha ha"
[finance]|14:39 Allen says, "looks like Ellison hasn't been chairman since 2004"
[finance]|14:39 Allen says, "he was both chairman and ceo for 14 years"
[finance]|14:39 inky says, ""is there any investor in this company I haven't savagely fucked?""
[finance]|14:39 Matthew says, "That would explain why his MUDding time has increased in the last eight years..."
[finance]|14:39 ghira asks, "the CEO would at least be _a_ director, presumably?"
[finance]|14:40 inky says, "not necessarily"
[finance]|14:40 inky says, "actually, I bet it is less likely for them to be a non-chair than the chair"
[google]|14:41 lpsmith asks (of inky), "Wait, this is a real thing?"
[google]|14:41 inky says, "no, it's their april fool's joke from 2006"
[google]|14:41 lpsmith says, "OK, that's hilarious."
[google]|14:41 inky says, "(gah, how can it be six years ago?)"
[google]|14:42 Tale says, "the FAQ gives it away"
[google]|14:42 inky says, "there are a couple other links here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Google%27s_hoaxes_and_easter_eggs#2006 "
[finance]|14:42 K-Y says, "basically the board is chosen by shareholders at the shareholder meetings"
[google]|14:42 lpsmith says, "The clincher is :| Then we'll send you both on a Contextual DateTM, which we'll pay for while delivering to you relevant ads that we and our advertising partners think will help produce the dating results you're looking for."
[google]|14:42 Gunther says, "the best hoax is still gmail"
[google]|14:43 inky says, "hee hee"
[finance]|14:43 K-Y says, "except of course usually nobody has any better ideas for who to pick other than the company's own suggestions"
[google]|14:43 lpsmith says, "We've found that when people are dating, they spend more money!  Let's capitalize on this."
[finance]|14:43 ghira asks, "because most shares are owned by pension firms who can't be arsed to vote on anything?"
[finance]|14:44 zarf says, "I get regular board-of-directors voting forms from companies I have stock in"
[finance]|14:44 inky says, "or just in general they don't have a coherent plan for what they would like the company to be doing other than what they are doing"
[finance]|14:44 zarf says, "I always throw them away, because checking off names I've never heard of is pointless"
[finance]|14:44 zarf says, "therefore, the company gets the people it wants"
[finance]|14:44 K-Y says, "as a result you get proxy votes"
[finance]|14:44 K-Y says, "'hey, give us your vote and we'll make the choice for you"
[google]|14:45 lpsmith exclaims, "Now that you're married, here is a home for you that we've paid for!  Also, we notice that you've been dithering in the kitchen for 10 minutes, and while you've opened the fridge four times, haven't taken anything out.  Here's a list of our sponsored restaurants, all within 5 minutes of your home!"
[finance]|14:45 ghira says, "I got in some trouble at ericsson when we had this employee survey about all kinds of nonsense. one question was "how good a job is the (megaboss) doing?" and I wrote in as a comment "How can I rate this? I have no idea what he (a) ought to be doing or (b) is doing.""
[google]|14:45 Gunther asks, "did you read that thing on contextual advertising based on shopping habits?"
[finance]|14:45 ghira says, "apparently this demonstrates a bad attitude"
[finance]|14:45 inky says, "hehee"
[google]|14:46 Gunther says, "where one guy called and was all HOW DARE YOU SEND MY DAUGHTER THE PREGNANCY CATALOG SHE IS AS PURE AS THE WHITE SNOW"
[finance]|14:46 Allen says, "you were not displaying suitable swiss optimism"
[google]|14:46 Gunther says, "then called the next day and was all "no, sorry, she's preggers after all""
[google]|14:46 inky says, "oh yeah, that was a good story"
[finance]|14:46 ghira asks, "well seriously. what do I know about what the ultraboss of something the size of ericcson 10 years ago does?"
[finance]|14:46 Allen asks, "so this was an employee survey that wasn't anonymous?"
[google]|14:46 lpsmith says, "Wow."
[finance]|14:46 ghira says, "yes"
[finance]|14:47 Allen says, "all ours are anonymous"
[finance]|14:47 Allen says, "I loved the year where 33% of our bonus was based on how positive our employee survey was"
[finance]|14:47 Allen says, "though"
[finance]|14:47 ghira says, "there was also "How happy are you with your manager's backing of the Blah Initiative?" and I answered it but commented "But since you haven't asked how much my boss backs it you have no idea if I am approving of his backing it or opposing it, do you?""
[lounge]|14:48 Rob comes right on in.
[finance]|14:48 inky says, "ha ha"
[finance]|14:48 Allen says, "out general manager told us this. He told us he was not asking us to fill out all great answers, but said it was in our best interest to fill out happy answers"
[lounge]|14:48 Rob says, "gmlk"
[finance]|14:48 inky says (to Allen), "wow dang"
[finance]|14:48 ghira says (to allen), "crikey."
[finance]|14:48 Allen says, "so that year, our employee satisfaction survey went from like 62% the previous year to 99%"
[finance]|14:48 Jon says, "dang"
[finance]|14:48 lpsmith says, "I remember that story."
[finance]|14:48 Allen says, "this pretty much happened across omnicom."
[finance]|14:49 two-star says, "See Adam's "Aspie Trap" post."
[finance]|14:49 K-Y says, "somebody had a bad attitude there"
[finance]|14:49 Allen says, "yeah, it was the french part of the company that came up with the idea"
[finance]|14:49 Allen says, "it said all bonuses would be based on People, Profit, and something else starting with a P"
[finance]|14:49 Rob says, "heh all over again that you work for a comic book evil megacorporation named company"
[finance]|14:49 lpsmith asks, "I guess they nixed that idea the next year?"
[finance]|14:49 Allen says, "the People would be measured by employee survey"
[finance]|14:49 Allen says, "yeah"
[finance]|14:49 Allen says, "next year, employee satisfaction plunged"
[finance]|14:50 ghira says, "our bonuses are "up to" various amounts but since they are essentially always 0 I can't see that i need to care what they're up to."
[finance]|14:50 inky says, "People, Profit, and Pickles"
[finance]|14:50 ghira asks (of t-s), "what is your comment in response to?"
[google]|14:50 lpsmith says, "Do you have more information on that story?  I am failing my google fu for finding it."
[finance]|14:51 ghira says, "I don't answer surveys where we are now."
[finance]|14:51 Allen says, "People, Profit, and Product"
[finance]|14:51 Allen says, "the 3rd was how many awards we win"
[blogenfreude]|14:51 DavidW says, "Always like this feature: http://www.regretsy.com/2012/05/15/etsy-or-regretsy-8/ "
[finance]|14:51 ghira says, "they're supposedly anonymous but feh"
[finance]|14:51 lpsmith says (to inky), "So, you were right."
[finance]|14:51 Allen says, "so, they were submitting everything we did to every ad contest anywhere"
[google]|14:51 Gunther says, "I think it was http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.html?_r=1 "
[finance]|14:51 two-star says (to ghira), "What you've been saying, mostly."
[lounge]|14:51 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Rob"
[dreams]|14:52 Allen says, "oh, I dreamed I was in NYC last night"
[dreams]|14:52 Allen says, "and I called up dfan to see if he wanted to go out for dinner (in my dream, he lived in nyc)"
[dreams]|14:52 Allen says, "and he said no. I could hear starwars type sounds in the background"
[lounge]|14:52 Tale says, "The man without fear, Rob Wheeler"
[dreams]|14:52 Allen says, "and then later I learned he couldn't go because his company was building a death star"
[dreams]|14:53 inky says, "wow"
[dreams]|14:53 inky says, "ok, that is pretty great"
[google]|14:53 inky says, "I guess it was harder to find because it was actually target"
[dreams]|14:54 K-Y says, "so they were secretly behind Kinect Star Wars"
[lounge]|14:54 Yuri goes home.
[dreams]|14:54 Allen says, "I also dreamed there was a new version of Lost New York that was super-high-def with multimedia images and movies and graphics"
[dreams]|14:54 K-Y says, "what better front than pretending to compete with yourself"
[lounge]|14:55 Marktwo goes home.
[lounge]|14:55 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|14:55 Marktwo showed up at a club in Las Vegas (four hours late, naturally), performed three rhymes of incomparably nerdish and lead-footed white-boyness, and promptly fell off the stage.
[kickstarter]|14:57 GDorn | http://everythingfunded.com/projects/everythingfunded-com-this-website
[lounge]|14:57 Yuri arrives from the east.
[lounge]|14:57 Yuri exclaims, "Hi again!"
[kickstarter]|14:58 inky says, "ha ha"
[kickstarter]|14:58 inky asks, "this is someone trying to make a kickstarter clone and fund it on itself?"
[lounge]|14:59 Rob says, "good on the morrow to ye and sundry"
[kickstarter]|14:59 Rob says, "chutzpahstarter"
[lounge]|15:01 zarf walks off through the wall; vivid gold light flares briefly around him.
[movie]|15:02 Rob says, "so is hasbro going to roll out some crazy new version of the game to go with the movie based on the game"
[D&D]|15:02 GDorn | http://store.solidoodle.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=56
[D&D]|15:02 GDorn says, "hmm"
[movie]|15:02 Gunther says, "they already did"
[D&D]|15:03 GDorn says, ".35mm nozzle, $500"
[movie]|15:03 Gunther says, " http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/123828/battleship-movie-edition-game "
[D&D]|15:03 GDorn says, "prints up to 6x6, which is Colossal."
[D&D]|15:07 katre says, "ha ha"
[D&D]|15:07 katre says, "Pro Model Feature: Open design (no outer cover/door)"
[D&D]|15:08 katre says, "Expert Model: outer cover & front acrylic door to give your printer a finished look with clean lines"
[D&D]|15:08 GDorn says, "also keeps the cat hair out of the goop while it's curing"
[D&D]|15:08 GDorn says, "also the cats."
[D&D]|15:10 GDorn says, "watching a video of the UP! printer printing something that is roughly Colossal or maybe Gargantuan, and it says it should take 48 minutes.  That's a lot faster than I expected."
[telephony]|15:10 Bishop says, "Man, a busy signal. Been a while since I got one of those."
[D&D]|15:14 josh_g says, "oh weird, this is basically a professional market of a reprap"
[jobs]|15:15 vimes says, "man, i think that desk is cursed or something"
[jobs]|15:15 vimes says, "three people have started, sat at that desk, worked here for a month or so, and quit suddenly"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:16 Fang asks, "do they force you to wear contact lens in the army?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:16 Gunther says, "no"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:16 Gunther asks, "have you never seen any army movie at all?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:16 Rob says, "that'd be a weird thing to enforce"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:16 Rob says (to Gunther), "hehh"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:16 Rob says, "dude with glasses who gets killed in reel 5"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:17 Fang asks, "not even special forces? Or do they just not select you?"
[jobs]|15:17 Rob says, "when you're ready to switch jobs, request that desk for a couple of weeks"
[jobs]|15:17 vimes says, "hee hee"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:18 Rob says, "I heard the air force screens you out for having poor eyesight"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:18 Gunther says, "yeah"
[lounge]|15:22 Rob says, "ok I need to get some food nourishment"
[lounge]|15:22 Rob moseys right on out.
[German]|15:25 olethros asks, "is there some special way in which you report somebody else's speech?"
[German]|15:26 olethros says, "e.g. I wrote this"
[German]|15:26 olethros | Er sagte mir dass in Deutschland uber das Einkommen man normalweise nicht freilich spricht.
[German]|15:26 olethros says, "this may be broadly correcty."
[German]|15:26 Gunther says, "yes, the subjunctive"
[German]|15:26 Gunther says, "if you want to be v. correct"
[German]|15:26 olethros says, "ah, so instead of spricht I should use subj. OK"
[German]|15:27 olethros says, "and subj is similar to simple past, IIRC"
[German]|15:27 Gunther says, "Er sagte mir dass man in Deutschland nicht frei ueber das Einkommen spreche/spricht"
[German]|15:27 Gunther says, "in this case I would not use the subjunctive, though, since it's fact"
[German]|15:27 olethros says, "ha ha"
[German]|15:28 olethros says, "or was that not a joke? I cannot tell."
[German]|15:28 Gunther says, "it was not a joke"
[German]|15:30 olethros says, "ok, but if he told me that 'he personally does not speak about income', then it'd be : 'dass er nicht ... spreche'"
[German]|15:30 Gunther says, "yes, if you want to be hypercorrect"
[German]|15:31 olethros asks, "so kann man die Konjuktiv ingorieren?"
[German]|15:31 Gunther says, "man kann, aber man sollte (<-- !!!!!!) nicht"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:32 Fang asks, "also, is it possible to spot that someone's wearing contact lenses?"
[German]|15:32 olethros says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:32 Gunther says, "yes"
[German]|15:32 olethros asks, "is that Prat. or Konj. ?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:33 Fang asks, "how close do you have to be?"
[German]|15:33 olethros says, "oh it must be Prat, but it could be either."
[channels]|15:33 GDorn asks, "should I make a 3d printing channel, or should that go in #printing or #diy or something?"
[channels]|15:33 olethros says, "maybe 3d channels would help with following all the conversations"
[channels]|15:34 Gunther says, "take it from someone who's seen the difference"
[channels]|15:34 Gunther says, "any 3d printer < $600,000 is not worth it"
[printers]|15:34 * olethros has joined the channel.
[printers]|15:34 olethros asks, "I see I was not a member. What did I miss?"
[printers]|15:34 GDorn says, "nothing"
[lunch]|15:35 Doug says, "I had a breakfast burrito for lunch.  I feel so transgressive!"
[science]|15:36 Allen | Is This the Most Boring Experiment Ever? Scientists Watch Drops of Pitch Form--and There Have Been Eight in 75 Years
[lunch]|15:36 Gunther says, "you communist swine"
[browsers-that-dont-suck]|15:36 Doug | NOTE: If you are using Internet Explorer and the "(edit)" link after the e-mail address isn't working for you, please press the broken page icon in your address bar (aka the Compatibility Button) and try the edit link again.
[browsers-that-dont-suck]|15:37 Doug says, "oops, sorry, thought this was #browsers-that-suck"
[channels]|15:37 josh_g says, "I would go for a 3d printing channel"
[channels]|15:37 josh_g says, "but then I'm getting all lured into the topic today"
[news]|15:37 Allen | Lack of babies could mean the extinction of the Japanese people
[newchannel]|15:37 GDorn says, "#3d-printing"
[news]|15:37 Allen | Japanese researchers have now warned of a doomsday scenario if it carries on this way with the last child to be born there in 3011.
[news]|15:39 Allen | Some suggest many young Japanese people prefer "virtual" friends with a robot or on the internet, while others suggest their fascination with comics rather than relationships is the cause for a lack of babies.
[news]|15:40 baf unconvinced
[news]|15:41 baf asks, "Question: How far back does this trend go? More than a thousand years or less than a thousand years?"
[news]|15:41 olethros says, "clearly, they should etch more female genitalia in stone"
[news]|15:42 baf asks, "If more, then how can we blame comic books and the internet? If less, then why should we expect it to continue for a thousand years to come?"
[news]|15:42 olethros asks, "why are you being so reasonable?"
[news]|15:43 Gunther says, "this is what immigrants are for"
[lounge]|15:43 ParserGirl goes home.
[snacks]|15:43 katre says, "oh my goodness"
[snacks]|15:43 katre says, "I have tasted the future of snacking and it is glorious"
[snacks]|15:44 katre says, "an orker just handed me a cookie dough lollipop"
[snacks]|15:44 katre says, "he also had cake lollipops"
[snacks]|15:45 K-Y says, "1. dip stick in batter"
[snacks]|15:45 K-Y asks, "2. er, done?"
[snacks]|15:46 katre says, "make ball of cookie dough, put on stick, dip in molten chocolate, let chocolate solidify"
[snacks]|15:46 Gunther says, "I see this and propose:"
[snacks]|15:46 K-Y says, "I think IJLTS dipstick"
[printers]|15:46 josh_g says, "so, 3d printeres"
[printers]|15:46 josh_g says, "-e"
[snacks]|15:46 Gunther says, "s/ball.*,/zeppole,/"
[snacks]|15:46 vimes says, "YLT dip your stick in batter AMATNG"
[snacks]|15:46 katre says (to gunther), "hmm, interesting"
[printers]|15:47 josh_g says, "one thing I keep considering but have a hard time looking up is how much it would realistically cost to print a set of parts for one of the self-replicating machines"
[snacks]|15:47 vimes asks (of gunther), "you mean .* or .*? ?"
[printers]|15:47 josh_g says, "like reprap or the makerbot or whatever"
[snacks]|15:47 Gunther says (to vimes), "I am non-greedy."
[snacks]|15:47 olethros says, "nah"
[printers]|15:48 katre says, "I keep thinking I want a 3d printer"
[snacks]|15:48 olethros says, "zepolle are best eaten with a very light coating"
[printers]|15:48 katre says, "then I remember the big pile of microprocessor gear in the basement and sigh"
[printers]|15:48 josh_g says, "heh"
[printers]|15:48 josh_g says, "yeah, that's the other thing"
[printers]|15:48 josh_g says, "kind of like how I'd love an arduino but haven't bothered because unless I have an actual practical purpose for it, it'll just sit in storage next to my mindstorm most of the time"
[printers]|15:49 vimes says, "i used my arduino to make a talking Portal turret"
[printers]|15:49 josh_g says (to vimes), "yay"
[printers]|15:49 vimes says, "then i used another one to monitor my garden soil moisture levels"
[printers]|15:49 vimes says, "now i have five of them sitting in a box in my basement because of a couple of kickstarters i backed that included arduino chips"
[printers]|15:50 vimes says, "one of them i plan to turn into a cnc bot, and one of them i want to turn into a midi synth"
[printers]|15:51 * djfletch has joined the channel.
[printers]|15:51 vimes says, "i suppose i could try to build, like, a 3d chocolate printer or something"
[newchannel]|15:51 * djfletch has joined the channel.
[printers]|15:52 katre asks, "have you seen CandyFab?"
[printers]|15:52 josh_g says (to vimes), "how did you do the moisture levels thing? that's actually something I've considered lately"
[printers]|15:52 GDorn says, "I guess printing custom cases for electronics projects would also be a good use.  Like how there's several dozen Raspberry Pi case designs..."
[printers]|15:53 olethros says, "OK, and I thought my dough printer would be revolutionary, but clearly I am not so novel"
[printers]|15:54 baf asks, "What is cnc?"
[printers]|15:54 Alex says (to baf), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that CNC is Current Nonsensical Crush."
[lounge]|15:54 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|15:54 * Ellison has disconnected.
[printers]|15:54 vimes says (to katre), "yeah, i've looked at that"
[printers]|15:54 Gunther says, "I *think* it's Command & Control"
[printers]|15:54 olethros says, "CNC robots are why japanese men have no babies"
[printers]|15:54 vimes says, ""computer numerical control", basically programmable robot arms for manufacturing and fabbing"
[printers]|15:55 Doug says, "things that make you go hmmm"
[printers]|15:55 Gunther says, "CNC also stands for the latin "Countless Number of C" where C = 100 sestercas = 100,000 dollars"
[printers]|15:56 vimes says (to josh_g), "i got a commercial moisture sensor, along the lines of http://www.vegetronix.com/Products/VG400/ "
[printers]|15:56 olethros asks, "is this a dual use device?"
[music]|15:57 Doug says, "yay, this local stoner/metal band has a song called "Tanelorn""
[printers]|15:57 vimes asks (of olethros), "what, the moisture sensor?"
[printers]|15:57 josh_g says, "neat"
[music]|15:57 Doug says, "now I want to re-read the Corum books"
[printers]|15:58 vimes says (to josh_g), "you can also do a thing where you use a couple of galvanized nails and make your own moisture sensor"
[printers]|15:58 vimes says, "but i thought i'd go with a premade component to start"
[printers]|15:58 josh_g says, "wha"
[printers]|15:58 josh_g says, "that sounds wacky and interesting"
[printers]|15:58 vimes says (to josh_g), " http://makeprojects.com/Project/Garduino-Geek-Gardening/62/1#s486 "
[random-requests]|15:59 josh_g asks, "does anyone have my old Yahoo account name lying around, say in an old IM app or something?"
[random-requests]|15:59 josh_g says, "I can't for the life of me figure out if I'm using the wrong username, or what"
[random-requests]|16:01 baf says, "It probably needs to be reactivated if you haven't used it in a long time."
[random-requests]|16:01 baf says, "I had to do that not too long ago."
[random-requests]|16:01 josh_g says, "yeah, I did some kind of reactivation thing yesterday"
[random-requests]|16:01 josh_g says, "and today it still doesn't let me log in"
[random-requests]|16:01 josh_g says, "basically confusing the hell out of me"
[random-requests]|16:02 baf says, "OK then"
[random-requests]|16:02 josh_g says, "alternately if someone could check the flickr profile here: http://www.flickr.com/people/74693675@N00/ "
[random-requests]|16:02 josh_g says, "and send an email via the email link, and then I'd at least see which address it's going to"
[drwho]|16:03 olethros says, "mark of the rani is ridiculous"
[drwho]|16:03 baf says, "Yes."
[drwho]|16:03 baf says, "I don't think anyone will disagree with that."
[random-requests]|16:04 josh_g says, "wait IT WORKED MUAAHAHAHA oh gosh finally"
[random-requests]|16:05 josh_g says, "sigh"
[random-requests]|16:05 josh_g says, "f'ing Yahoo"
[greece]|16:05 olethros says, "feh attacks against long-time nordic inhabitants"
[greece]|16:05 olethros says, "in one case, a dutch taken for a gemran"
[I7]|16:05 baf says, "Hm."
[greece]|16:05 olethros says, "78 yo he was, and living in the village for 20 years almost"
[drwho]|16:06 ghira asks (of olethros), "more so than twin dilemma?"
[drwho]|16:06 baf says, "I don't remember twin dilemma very well, but I don't think anyone got turned into a tree in it."
[greece]|16:06 olethros says, "apparently the attackers are neonazis or something"
[greece]|16:07 Tale asks, "Why do you lazy ass slackers who ruin the EU hate us so much?"
[greece]|16:08 ghira says, "is Syriza really likely to do better in a second election? They seem to have shown themselves to be numpties."
[I7]|16:08 baf says, "I'm contemplating doing something involving a 3D position tracking device."
[greece]|16:08 olethros says, "no idea now"
[greece]|16:08 olethros says, "they have just done more empty talk. No idea if it will be perceived as such"
[I7]|16:09 baf says, "I expect this will involve explicitly assigning coordinates to each room."
[greece]|16:09 ghira asks, "yet polls show them as more popular than last time?"
[videogames]|16:09 Gunther says, " http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/05/15/game-of-thrones-review :("
[greece]|16:09 olethros says, "they were 3 days ago"
[greece]|16:09 olethros says, "but now the transcripts of the talks with the presidents have been released, which clearly show they are just empty cans"
[videogames]|16:09 Gunther asks, "if *IGN* gives a game a 4.0, it... I don't even know... burned down the reviewer's house, ate his children, and sold his parents into slavery?"
[greece]|16:10 olethros says, "*president"
[greece]|16:10 olethros says, "though I am sure that nobody is actually going to read them"
[I7]|16:10 baf asks, "Is there at least some way to express them as a vector, rather than saying "The x-coordinate of the entrance is 3. The y-coordinate of the entrance is 2."?"
[videogames]|16:11 Gunther says, "oh, maybe it just ate the reviewer's brain"
[videogames]|16:11 Gunther | Occasionally you’ll cue a violent cinematic kill when you defeat the last of a group of opponents, but if you never switch weapon types throughout your experience you’ll always see the one animation
[videogames]|16:11 Gunther asks, "...yes, one does not normally switch to a different weapon for a kill?"
[videogames]|16:11 Gunther asks, "because this would take time and the other guy would stab you in the gut?"
[I7]|16:11 vimes asks, "i think you want, uh, 14.10?"
[videogames]|16:11 baf says, "One weapon != one animation."
[videogames]|16:12 ghira says, "maybe he means over a long timescale than that"
[videogames]|16:12 ghira says, "e.g. if you use swords the whole game"
[videogames]|16:12 Gunther says, "I've only ever seen a single killcam in Skyrim"
[videogames]|16:12 Gunther says, "AND IT IS SHIT"
[I7]|16:12 vimes says, "A vector is a kind of value.  42/37 specifies a vector with parts x and y (without leading zeros)."
[I7]|16:12 vimes says, "or something"
[I7]|16:13 baf says, "Cool."
[I7]|16:13 vimes says, "and then "A room has a vector.  Entrance is a room.  Entrance is 3/2."
[videogames]|16:13 Gunther | I really enjoyed your buddy Hodor's review of the game. He gave it "Hodor out of Hodor".
[I7]|16:13 vimes says, "according to 14.11, anyway."
[lounge]|16:14 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, vivid gold this time of day.
[videogames]|16:14 Gunther says, "sadly the writing was on the wall"
[lounge]|16:14 josh_g will call him Pootel; Henry Pootel for short.
[videogames]|16:14 Gunther says, "but still, :("
[I7]|16:14 vimes says, "yep, that works"
[videogames]|16:14 K-Y says, "oh, Atlus"
[videogames]|16:15 K-Y says, "you have no luck with western games"
[I7]|16:15 vimes says, "and in fact then: say "X: [x part of vector of entrance] - Y: [y part of vector of entrance]"."
[greece]|16:16 olethros says, "the idiots say 'they tried to blackmail us, but we do not betray our country'"
[greece]|16:17 olethros says, "the same line is peddled by the other extremists"
[greece]|16:17 ghira asks, "how are we doing in terms of the CYOA thing from the economist?"
[greece]|16:18 olethros says, "we have been long off script"
[videogames]|16:20 Gunther says, "not sure why they gave the license to a studio that never made a good game"
[lounge]|16:20 Nitku leaves.
[lounge]|16:21 Storme enters.
[lounge]|16:21 Storme says, "hi all"
[videogames]|16:21 Gunther says, "but, enh, The Witcher is also repetitive and has copy-paste characters and a stand-out story"
[videogames]|16:21 Gunther says, "so if the story is *actually* good and this is not just Half-Life herp-de-derp..."
[drwho]|16:22 olethros says, "wait"
[drwho]|16:22 olethros says, "why are they locked in the mustard gas room? they came in through the door"
[frowned-elitism]|16:22 Storme says, "so 1.5 jobs is looking to be more like 2 jobs"
[frowned-elitism]|16:23 Storme says, "it's nice to be wanted!"
[frowned-elitism]|16:23 inky asks, "so you're talking to a second company? or a third?"
[frowned-elitism]|16:23 Storme says, "actually this is the first one again"
[drwho]|16:23 olethros says, "her tardis is much nicer"
[frowned-elitism]|16:24 Storme says, "they're just desperate enough for me to work more hours that they're paying me time-and-a-half as overtime"
[frowned-elitism]|16:24 Storme says, "(usually they don't pay overtime at all)"
[kickstarter]|16:24 Jon | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/114022296/multi-platform-video-game-release
[kickstarter]|16:24 Jon says, "haha"
[kickstarter]|16:25 Jon says, "give me money to make a game that i won't tell you anything about"
[kickstarter]|16:25 Jon says, "how could this possibly fail/"
[frowned-elitism]|16:25 Storme says, "so on top of my second part-time job, whee"
[frowned-elitism]|16:26 Storme says, "(I'm vaguely sad about less free time but frankly the money would be really useful for the wedding, so)"
[frowned-elitism]|16:27 inky says, "wait, I didn't realize you had any part-time jobs at all"
[jobs]|16:27 Dave says, "two tasks completed"
[jobs]|16:27 Dave says, "and coworkers tell me to slow down"
[frowned-elitism]|16:27 Storme says, "my main job is technically not full-time"
[frowned-elitism]|16:28 inky says, "oh, hunh"
[frowned-elitism]|16:28 inky says, "you're always so busy"
[frowned-elitism]|16:28 Storme says, "(it's most-of-full-time, but when I thought about moving onto full time the pay increase for such was insultingly low)"
[I7]|16:28 baf says, "Yay, this is a joy. I am so totally going to make a bunch of what essentially amounts to geocaching puzzles now."
[frowned-elitism]|16:29 Storme says, "and I am in the process of starting a second job which is part time"
[frowned-elitism]|16:29 Storme says, "which I can fit in around my main job"
[I7]|16:29 vimes says, "yay"
[frowned-elitism]|16:29 Storme says, "and now my main job is bribing me to work extra hours after all"
[I7]|16:29 Tale says, "Yay, I think..."
[frowned-elitism]|16:30 inky asks, "is the second job with their competitor?"
[frowned-elitism]|16:30 Storme says, "no"
[frowned-elitism]|16:30 Storme says, "(that sort of fizzled out; I wasn't really keen on jumping over to them for personal reasons anyway so it's not a huge loss)"
[frowned-elitism]|16:31 Storme says, "anyway, I think this is all mostly good"
[frowned-elitism]|16:32 Storme says, "though for a while I will be adjusting to it"
[frowned-elitism]|16:34 inky says, "yeah I bet"
[frowned-elitism]|16:34 inky asks, "remind me when you wedding is going to be? this fall?"
[frowned-elitism]|16:35 Storme says, "october, yeah"
[drwho]|16:35 olethros says, "oh dont tell me the'll fight a rubber t-rex"
[frowned-elitism]|16:36 Storme says, "and then taking our honeymoon next year; we'll take a mini-honeymoon right after the wedding but we need to save up again for the honeymoon really"
[twitter]|16:37 Tale says, "..."
[frowned-elitism]|16:37 inky says, "yeah"
[twitter]|16:37 Tale says, "@phonewhores is following me"
[twitter]|16:37 Gunther says, "oh, that's me"
[twitter]|16:37 Gunther says, "(it's not me)"
[twitter]|16:37 Tale asks, "Aren't you @blumosus?"
[twitter]|16:37 vimes says, "ha ha "i am a real whore""
[printers]|16:39 GDorn says, "another good model to compare printers with:  http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:16860 "
[drwho]|16:39 olethros says, "oh god what silly traps"
[kickstarter]|16:39 Gunther asks (of Jon), "do you know what it was?"
[frowned-elitism]|16:39 Storme says, "(I mean, most of the big wedding bills are taken care of, really)"
[drwho]|16:39 olethros says, "ha ha ha ha"
[kickstarter]|16:39 Gunther says, "because I do and"
[drwho]|16:39 olethros says, "the tree won't hurt you!"
[frowned-elitism]|16:39 Storme says, "(venue hire and catering are the huge things)"
[printers]|16:39 GDorn says, "0.1mm looks pretty good, but takes 10+ hours"
[kickstarter]|16:39 Jon says, "no, I don't."
[kickstarter]|16:39 Gunther says, "Pong."
[kickstarter]|16:40 Gunther says, "I'm not joking."
[printers]|16:40 inky asks, "what about http://www.thingiverse.com/7777773 ?"
[twitter]|16:40 Tale says, "Experienced with no limit!"
[kickstarter]|16:40 inky says, "ha ha"
[kickstarter]|16:40 Jon says, "hahahaha what"
[twitter]|16:40 Tale asks, "So...no level cap?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:40 Jon says, "apropos-of-earlier http://kottke.org/12/05/how-yahoo-killed-flickr "
[juryduty]|16:40 Allen | The daughter of disgraced former North Carolina Democratic Sen. John Edwards claimed she wasn't a U.S. citizen to get out of jury duty in early 2011, court records The Daily Caller obtained show.
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:40 Tale says, "Wrong channel!"
[printers]|16:40 GDorn says, "what"
[kickstarter]|16:42 lpsmith says, "Ha ha ha $13.37"
[drwho]|16:43 olethros says, "more and more ridiculous"
[anime]|16:43 Fang says, "#math hmmm http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1080482277/math-girls-comic-0 "
[drwho]|16:44 olethros says, "ha ha ha"
[kickstarter]|16:44 baf says, "I remember a Pong remake in the circa-2000 remakes-of-classic-arcade-games frenzy."
[drwho]|16:45 olethros says, "and how ridiculous perri is"
[anime]|16:45 zarf says, "hey, that guy who translated the Ico novel."
[kickstarter]|16:45 baf says, "It was really more like a suite of Pong-based games, kind of like that 'Pongs' webgame but with circa-2000 3D graphics."
[anime]|16:45 Fang asks, "how was that?"
[anime]|16:46 zarf says, "mixed, but worth reading"
[printers]|16:46 GDorn says, "I like some of the dremel attachments people have invented"
[anime]|16:47 zarf says, " http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/286774885 "
[news]|16:47 Allen | New Jersey businesses ban woman because of the color of her skin.
[news]|16:47 Allen | The New Jersey woman charged with allowing her then 5-year-old daughter into a tanning booth may have to travel a little further if she wants to maintain her own infamously copper complexion.
[news]|16:47 inky says, "heh"
[lounge]|16:48 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[printers]|16:48 GDorn says, "haha  http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:18475 "
[news]|16:48 olethros says, "I thought red colour is due to fake tanning products"
[lounge]|16:48 Johnny says, "Hey Ellison"
[lounge]|16:49 Ellison says, "hey hey"
[anime]|16:49 Jon | http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/199871866 is mine (much shorter than zarf's)
[lounge]|16:49 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|16:49 * Tale has disconnected.
[anime]|16:50 Jon says, "Alexander O. Smith is a good translator, though. I really loved what he did with FFXII."
[drwho]|16:50 olethros says, "it is growing@"
[drwho]|16:50 olethros says, "@!@!@"
[lounge]|16:52 Storme was a still life lived on mobile phones.
[lounge]|16:52 * Storme has disconnected.
[lounge]|16:52 Yuri goes home.
[lounge]|16:53 Yuri arrives from the east.
[lounge]|16:59 Yuri takes the elevator up the magic bird perch.
[German]|16:59 olethros says, "meh, my exercise is not even 250 words long"
[lounge]|17:04 Emily arrives.
[youtube]|17:04 DorianX says, "almost fell for it"
[youtube]|17:04 DorianX says, "Very nearly responded to a comment on youtube"
[lounge]|17:06 vimes says, "hey em"
[lounge]|17:06 Lionheart makes no law abridging the freedom of s***ch, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to ***emble, and to pe***ion the government for a redress of grievances.
[lounge]|17:06 Emily says, "hey"
[lounge]|17:06 Lionheart waves.
[headlines]|17:07 Allen | Turkey Suspects Bird Was Israeli Agent
[lounge]|17:07 Gunther drops battle.net battletags.
[lounge]|17:09 Gunther signed battle.net battletags.
[headlines]|17:09 Fang says, "well, no wonder the president pardoned it"
[lounge]|17:10 Matthew signed battle.net battletags.
[gayrights]|17:11 Allen | The President acknowledged that it was the example of staff members in committed, monogamous relationships; the same-gender parents of his daughters' friends, and brave gay and lesbian soldiers that made him reconsider his opposition to marriage equality. This is only fitting. Jesus said that by their fruits you would know them.
[gayrights]|17:11 Allen says, "eep! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_%28slang%29#As_gay_slang "
[videogames]|17:12 Fang asks, "are any mudders involved with Eerie Canal, out of curiosity?"
[lounge]|17:12 Psmith signed battle.net battletags.
[gayrights]|17:17 inky says, "heh"
[lounge]|17:19 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 3673 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Tuesday, 15 May 2012, 05:19:17 PM EDT
There is one new message on #games/computer/adventures.
There is one new message on #tech/OS/Windows.
Rob says, "yogl"
Johnny says, "yogl bear"
inky says, "he's smarter than the average yogi"
Rob says, "strange things are afoot at the magnolia cafe"
Johnny asks, "frogs?"
Rob says, "the manager and I have become friends enough that he sat down at my booth with a sigh, looking frazzled"
Rob says, "'that kinda day, huh?' I prompted"
Rob says, "he kind of let out another exasperated noise and I said, 'man, it's only tuesday'"
[food] zarf says, "Pesto cookies in progress"
Rob says, "the story was that dozens of things were just going kerflooey"
[food] inky says, "hunh"
Rob says, "none of them particularly a big deal, but after a whole morning of it"
Rob says, "'so, just one damn thing after another,' I finished"
[food] Matthew says, "Mmm."
Rob says, "I just got back from there, and looking back I see that my entire trip there was kerfuffled, too"
vimes signed battle.net battletags with: ziz#1982
Rob says, "although not unpleasantly"
Rob says, "first of all, both halves of the restaurant were open, but it was at the squirrelly time where they close one or the other of them for cleaning"
Rob says, "so I first tried to disambiguate by asking a collection of employees including the manager which side was open, whether this one was going to be the one staying open, I was given assurances, and took a seat"
Rob says, "then the waiter comes over and says 'hi Rob can I get you to move to the other side please, we're closing this one right now'"
Ellison says, "then somebody took a mop to your face"
inky says, "which side do you mean, the good side or the bad side"
Rob says, "I rolled my eyes a bit but was cheerful about it"
Gunther asks, "...rob. so you up-ended the table with the soup and printer toner, uppercutted the waitress, and fled?"
Rob says, "the overhead light was burned out in the one I originally sat at, and so the new seat was actually a kerfuffled better outcome"
Rob says, "intermission: at the end of our chat, the manager asks me what I'm going to order"
[obvious] Gunther | Diablo III: Error 315300 Incorrect Username/Password
[obvious] Gunther | This error typically indicates that the username and/or password are being entered incorrectly
Rob says, "and I say well I'm thinking I haven't had the Royal Toast in a while"
Rob says, "but then again a tuna melt looks kinda good, too"
Roger says, "This story truly has it all."
Gunther says, "a royal toast with cheese? here, we call that a quartertoaster"
Rob says, "before he can say anything else, I say, 'and when your choices are that far apart' in what you're getting, it's a weird call"
Roger says, "Heh"
Rob says, "he got what I meant and laughed about it being weird and wished me luck"
Rob says, "the waiter came back and I told him I wanted the Royal Toast, thusly:"
Allen says, "GENTLEMEN, THE KING!"
Rob says, "with scrambled eggs, a side of strawberries, and wheat toast for the french toast"
Gunther says, "please do elaborate on what e... what the hell"
Gunther says, "...xactly a Royal Toast is"
Rob says, "I was waiting for a Royale with Cheese joke"
Allen says, "I was hoping trumpeters would come out and make royal fanfare first"
[java-sux] Jon says, "man, why is the functional approach so much more verbose than the procedural approach"
[java-sux] Jon says, "this would be like five characters in Perl"
[java-sux] Gunther says, "it'll be marginally better in 8"
[java-sux] Jon says, "and even less than twenty in a real language"
[java-sux] Jon says, "but it's a million in Java"
Rob says, "so he looks at me and says 'so you want scrambled eggs, strawberries, a side order of wheat toast, and --'"
Rob says, "and I said no no no tut tut tut"
Gunther says, ""*three* king tuts? well, it's your liver""
Allen says, "but it's the anniversary of Howard Carter"
Rob says, "and we go back and forth a couple of times, each time with him clearly not getting it"
Roger says, "Error 315300: Toast collision detected."
Rob says, "you can see it not sinking in"
lpsmith says, "The key information missing from this story is 'what is Royal Toast?'"
Rob says, "this guy has been a waiter and a flight attendant for 12 years now at least"
Roger asks, "Which toast do you mean, the toast, the wheat toast, the french toast, the wheat french toast, or the french wheat toast?"
Gunther says (to lpsmith), "whatever it is, one of the sides is out of whack"
vimes says, "it's more like wheat french toast than french toast"
Rob says, "this is a dish that doesn't take long to make"
Rob says, "yay"
[java-sux] inky asks, "this isn't a functional/procedural issue, is it?"
Roger says, "I desire my wheat toast frenched, good sir."
[java-sux] inky asks, "or do you mean functional stuff specifically takes more lines in java?"
vimes asks, "with or without tongue?"
Rob says, "and it's taking forever, and the restaurant is not empty, but it is full of people who are already eating"
vimes says, "peacock tongue you pervert"
Rob says, "and I notice I've read almost the entire Sunday Arts section of the nytimes and still no french toast"
Roger says, "By then it was time to move me back to the other side of the restaurant"
Rob says, "the waiter peeks his head out of the kitchen and yells, 'Rob, how did you want your eggs again?'"
Rob says, "'SCRAMBLED'   'oh yeah! thx bye'"
Rob says, "la la la finally it arrives and there's what I ordered, but with three giant strips of bacon oozing and sizzling its grease into everything"
Gunther says, "mmm, bacon strawberries"
[java-sux] Jon says, "yeah."
[video] Fang says, " http://youtu.be/0i6JocMvIO0?t=2m22s "
[java-sux] inky says, "I was trying to think what java's functional constructs are like but I guess that's the point"
[java-sux] Jon says, "I'm reviewing a CL where there's some code that filters some elements out of a list."
[videogames] Gunther asks, "there's no reason to have more than 60fps, right?"
[videogames] Gunther says, "or, hell, even 30, or 24"
Rob says, "he runs and gets an aluminum pie-pan and holds it out like a bedpan and says 'can you just help me pop those in here?'"
[videogames] Allen asks, "another bill gates 1981 quote??"
[videogames] Allen says, "there are lots of reasons!"
[videogames] Gunther says, "do tell"
[java-sux] Jon says, "in Ruby it'd be like mylist.reject! {|el| el.test}"
[videogames] Allen asks, "have you seen those awesome cat videos made at a rate of 300 frames per second?"
[videogames] Gunther asks, "have you seen the channel I'm on?"
[videogames] Allen says, "you then slow the video down and every tail twitch is seen"
Rob says, "so I scoop them into the thing and there's kind of a disposing-of-turds vibe to the whole adventure"
[videogames] Allen says, "crap"
[videogames] Roger says, "He means videos of Cat, the Zero Wing guy"
[videogames] Gunther says, "I realize there's applications for filming stuff"
[videogames] Fang says, "I think 30 will give you a headache after a while"
[videogames] Gunther says, "but I mean a game frame rate cap"
Rob says, "he asks me eventually if I'd rather get it cooked all over again and I say yes"
Roger says, "Royal Toast: bacon is coming"
[java-sux] Jon says, "Guava (our open-source Java library collection) adds some functional stuff. but you have to make a class which implements the Predicate interface, which has a method 'apply' that takes the object and returns a boolean, and then call another method and pass it the list and an instance of this class."
[java-sux] Gunther says, "yeah, wait for Java 8"
Rob says, "another twenty minutes goes by, long enough to finish the paper and start workng on crossword puzzles"
[java-sux] Gunther says, "it has mapreduce and stuff"
[java-sux] Jon says, "because Java doesn't have lambda expressions yet"
[videogames] Johnny says (to Allen), "Nobody wants crap at 300 FPS."
Rob says, "my cold plate is still sitting there"
[java-sux] Jon says (to Gunther), "I think by the time Java 8 is adopted at Google I will have already quit and perhaps also died of old age."
Rob says, "I'm idly trying to figure out if he's just pretending we didn't have that conversation, or he genuinely can't remember having it"
[videogames] Gunther asks (of Fang), "oh?"
[videogames] Allen says, "SORRY I DIDNT NOTICE THE CHANNEL"
[German] olethros asks, "wolkenlosem ??"
[videogames] inky says, "high-speed pooping"
Rob says, "what he eventually came over and said was 'hey, you're food's getting cold'"
djfletch asks, "If it's already Royal _without_ bacon, what is it _with_ bacon?  Imperial?"
[German] Gunther says, "cloudless, dative"
[German] olethros says, "oh"
[videogames] inky says, "Allen assumes every channel is #kitties"
[German] olethros says, "I was thinking 'volken' for some reason"
[videogames] Allen asks, "ok, wait! WHat about during televised videogame conferences, where they want to do an instant replay at 1 quarter speed?"
[videogames] Allen says, "of the awesome headshot"
Rob says, "I reminded him of our conversation, and he said he'd get cooked again, and I stopped him and said I didn't feel like having it any more"
[videogames] Gunther says, "ha ha"
Rob says, "I'd eaten the strawberries, and they were good, so I told him that I'd pay for the strawberries and coffee and call it even"
Gunther says, "you're food, eh"
Rob says, "and he sort of said 'oh good!' very happily"
[videogames] Fang says, "but there is definitely no reason to have more than 60 fps"
Rob says, "then he went to get me a refill for my coffee"
[videogames] Gunther says, "that's what I thought"
[videogames] Fang says, "because your LCD monitor usually cannot handle that"
Rob says, "and turned around and said, 'omg, we're *out of coffee*'"
[videogames] Gunther says, "for some stupid reason d3 starts out capped at 200"
Rob says, "the end"
[videogames] Fang says, "lol"
(From Grocible) Rob says, "Then I noticed a pubic hair stuck in my teeth from the strawberries."
[videogames] Gunther says, "presumably this is based on an analysis of the typical player"
Rob says, "weeaghh"
Rob says, "I do a visual inspection before biting"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "Every time the wind blows, clouds of pollen waft off of the evergreen trees outside my window."
Roger says, "Who knows what misadventures may have lay beyond the Tuna Melt."
Grocible asks, "how do those tuna melt, anyway?"
Rob says, "like crazy"
Roger says, "The trick is to get them to swim into the Ark"
[videogames] McMartin asks, "Wait, every channel *isn't* #kitties?"
Grocible says, "tuna are such huge awesome fish"
[videogames] McMartin says, "What grim heresy is this"
[videogames] Gunther says, "which, according to diabloplayers.txt, makes me wish for the comet yet again"
[Canada] inky says, "I see canadian tire is trying out a plastic loyalty card instead of paper money"
[Canada] Roger says, "That'll never work"
[Canada] Grocible says, "oh no"
[Canada] Grocible says, "destroying a fine canadian tradition"
[music] Allen says, "man, I love Janequin's Chantts des oyseaux. He's like the mad crazy music guy of the renaissance"
[Canada] Grocible says, "of going to foreign countries and trying to pass off Canadian Tire money as Canuck currency"
[music] Allen says, "250 measures of nothing but imitations of bird calls"
[Canada] Roger says, "And bars having Canadian Tire At Par nights"
[music] Roger says, "caw caw car"
[movie] Grocible says, "so I saw the Avengers Assemble"
[movie] Grocible says, "I have to say I was not particularly blown away"
[movie] Grocible says, "it was perfectly passable light entertainment, but that's about it"
djfletch can produce a dozen witnesses to swear he was elsewhere.
</djfletch> If you hadn't worn those pants I never would have bought that bathtub.
[music] Allen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8-k-lyHOIM
[movie] inky says, "hmm, I thought it was pretty good"
[movie] inky says, "but I guess that may be two ways of saying the same thing"
[movie] Grocible says, "I was expecting it to be much better than it was, based on everyone talking about it"
[movie] Grocible says, "and that it was a Whedon flick"
[videogames] Gunther says (to McMartin), "do tell"
[English] Roger | Biggest dude in the gym was curling 70lbs in the squat rack with his Vato shank-you protege.
[movie] inky says, "hmm yeah, I dunno how it compared to the firefly movie, say"
[movie] inky says, "(I mean, I haven't seen that)"
[English] Roger says, "Don't ask me because I don't know."
[movie] Grocible says, "I preferred the TV show to the Firefly movie"
[movie] Grocible says, "the movie was pretty bleak"
[English] Gunther asks, "really?"
[English] Gunther says, "vato = spanish for 'dude'"
[movie] inky says, "I can believe you're a little more constrained on a thing like this"
[movie] Lionheart says, "I preferred the TV show too."
[videogames] McMartin says, "I cannot parse that suggestion"
[English] Gunther says, "so he has a mexican protege who'll shank people for him"
[videogames] Gunther says, "which? 'do tell' refers to 'why are you referring to it as grim heresy?'"
[movie] Grocible says, "ah well"
[movie] Grocible says, "it was fine"
[English] Roger says, "Ah I had never heard that before.  Good thing I've got a friendly Austrian around to help me out."
[English] Gunther says, "you're welcome, pendejo"
[apropos-of-nothing] inky | My husband, sister and I play Dad Bingo, where we count up instances of the typical things he repeats too often, and keep a points total, and the winner is first to 50 who finds a way to shout Bingo! in some context-appropriate fashion, and everyone buys that person a drink.
[videogames] McMartin says, "Oh, the idea was that I was surprised and horrified that there are non-#kitties channels."
[movie] Grocible says, "I'm trying not to get my hopes up for Prometheus"
[videogames] Gunther says, "oh"
[movie] inky says (to Lionheart), "of the avengers? yeah"
[English] Roger says, "If I had a nickel for every time I'd said that"
[movie] Grocible says, "at least I can count on that looking very pretty"
[movie] inky says, "I was watching the prometheus trailer and wondering if there were any plot points in the actual movie not covered there"
[movie] Grocible says, "yeah. they do seem to describe a lot"
[movie] Gunther says (to inky), "somebody is secretly a robot and betrays everyone"
[wtf] Roger says, "HOLY SHIT"
[wtf] Roger says, "I'm still not sure I believe this"
[wtf] Roger | http://www.snopes.com/photos/arts/easterisland.asp
[movie] lpsmith says, "This reminds me of someone talking about a movie trailer that gave away a major plot point of the movie... that didn't actually happen in the movie itself."
[movie] Grocible says, "cunning"
[movie] Grocible says, "sometimes trailers include clips that don't make it to the final cut of the movie"
[movie] lpsmith says, "It was some hostage negotiator in a building thing where the trailer showed the guy on the phone saying something like, "Now you have to deal with both of us!" like he had switched sides."
[wtf] vimes says, "man, not only this but the mayan calendar doesn't actually predict the end of the world in 2012"
[wtf] vimes says, "it's like Duck Tales was lying to us!"
[wtf] inky says, "weeeak"
[wtf] inky says, "hee hee"
vaporware vows never to return again, as he leads a rumba line out of the lounge after setting the place on fire.
</vaporware> If it is night, and the stars are beautiful, I hesitate to say so, lest my hosts feel obligated to try to get one for me.
[movie] inky says, "interesting"
[wtf] Gunther says, "SOMEONE never played the Telltale Sam & Max"
[movie] Fang asks, "was that scene entirely cut out then?"
[movie] Fang asks, "or was it taken out of context?"
[movie] inky says, "it seems like it would be cool to purposely do a trailer that confuses people as to the twist"