Logfile from ifmud. ************************************************************************ ** ** ** Welcome to ifMUD! ** ** ** ************************************************************************ FAQ: http://www.allthingsjacq.com/ifMUDfaq/ IP: 66.114.68.227 MONKEY: Ook. If you... have an account Type "connect name password" to log in need an account Go to http://ifmud.port4000.com:4001/ and apply are just visiting Type "connect guest guest" to login as Guest want to see who's on Type "who" for a list of players online have problems Email markm - mark.musante@gmail.com TYPE connect, who, or quit: Login Succeeded ifMUD An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board quotebook url database with a parrot bot Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved. Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety. I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy." --Jearl NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced on the channel '#mud-updates'. OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are interested in this subject. To join, go to http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/ or talk to Steve. Robinson Manor A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness. You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob Visible Exits: west, east Olly says, "Golly." Channels created since last check: games/computer/grimrock : Legend of Grimrock - http://www.grimrock.net/ Adventurer's Lounge Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north. You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List Players: Alex, Jon, markm, Bishop, Doug, GDorn, Touchy, DorianX, Jearl, Psmith, lpsmith, baf, annabianca, schep, Jacqueline, vimes, Johnny, marc, Whizzard, Allen, Marktwo, Ryan, Richie, josh_g, ghira, McMartin, Hugo, Grocible, maga, Matthew, Lionheart, zarf, vaporware, Dave, Roger, BrenBarn Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east Rob comes right on in. Recapping 379 of 3326 lines from recent channels: [politics]/19:32 borowski says, "Man, I missed a chance to see Obama and Jimmy Fallon. I really need to get on the ball with local events." [lounge]|19:33 Grocible says, "hm. new avengers movie apparently premiering in the UK before the US" [lounge]|19:33 Grocible says, "how odd" [lounge]|19:33 inky says, "hunh, weird" [lounge]|19:33 inky says, "it's opening here a week from tomorrow, I think" [lounge]|19:33 Grocible says, "yeah tomorrow here" [lounge]|19:33 inky says, "also, we know you guys love captain america" [lounge]|19:33 Grocible says, "it's not a particularly British film at all" [lounge]|19:34 borowski says, "heh" [lounge]|19:34 Grocible says, "don't think it was even filmed here" [lounge]|19:36 Grocible says, "lame title, though" [lounge]|19:36 Grocible says, "it's like they're sitting around, putting together IKEA furniture" [lounge]|19:36 inky asks, "what, the avengers?" [lounge]|19:36 inky says, "ha ha" [lounge]|19:36 inky says, "oh yeah" [lounge]|19:36 inky says, "I guess it's their catchphrase or something" [lounge]|19:36 inky says, "hmm" [lounge]|19:36 Grocible asks, "they *say* it?" [lounge]|19:36 Grocible asks, "like "flame on" or something?" [lounge]|19:36 inky says, "maybe it's opening in the uk early because they got all excited thinking it was an updated of that emma peel thing" [lounge]|19:37 Grocible says, "yeah. bit of a namespace issue there" [lounge]|19:37 inky says, "also, I accidentally typed "avengers pool" instead of "avengers peel" and of course there is a movie tie-in swimming pool floatation thing" [lounge]|19:38 McMartin says, "Ha" [lounge]|19:38 McMartin says, "And yeah, there's a clear assumption that the viewer will know something about the whole Avengers Assemble thing" [politics]|19:38 Johnny says (to borowski), "You think you're disappointed, Obama thought he was meeting Neil Young." [lounge]|19:38 Grocible says, "I don't" [lounge]|19:38 Grocible says, "I know fuck all about the Avengers" [lounge]|19:39 McMartin says, "Since the first railer for it had all of three words in it while showing shots of the various heroes" [lounge]|19:39 McMartin says, "SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED" [lounge]|19:39 inky asks, "well, the early trailers are for the fans, right?" [lounge]|19:39 Johnny says, "Iron Man is in the Avengers." [lounge]|19:39 McMartin says, "This was clearly deemed sufficient to get the message across" [lounge]|19:39 Johnny says, "I don't know who this Iron Man 2 guy is though." [lounge]|19:39 Grocible says, "I had no idea that Iron Man wasn't a standalone character" [lounge]|19:39 McMartin says, "Well, all the Avengers also have their own comic books" [lounge]|19:40 Grocible says, "all I remember about Iron Man is that a guy named Mike Saenz, who also made a pornographic game called MacPlaymate, did what was billed as the first computer drawn comic book" [lounge]|19:40 McMartin says, "Captain America *leads* the Avengers and IIRC always has, but he's also had his own comic book forever" [lounge]|19:40 Grocible says, "and it was Iron Man" [lounge]|19:40 Grocible says, "done in MacPaint or something" [lounge]|19:42 McMartin says, "The part I find kind of astounding is that apparently Thor was selected as a character for a comic book because nobody knows anything about Norse Mythology, so Thor would be *suitably obscure and exotic*" [lounge]|19:42 Johnny says, "Also, Batman is not an Avenger for various reasons, none of them good." [lounge]|19:43 inky says, "hmm" [lounge]|19:43 inky says, "it seems like if you were going to pick a dude from norse mythology to be a superhero thor is the obvious choice, though" [lounge]|19:44 Grocible asks, "how could Batman be bossed around by Captain America, though?" [lounge]|19:44 Grocible says, "how could anybody, for that matter. Captain America? Fucking hell" [lounge]|19:44 Johnny says, "They mostly humour him." [lounge]|19:46 McMartin says (to inky), "Yeah, I don't deny that (though due respect to Wotan/Gandalf), it just boggles me that Norse mythology at that level would be obscure when THURSDAY IS NAMED AFTER THE DUDE." [lounge]|19:47 McMartin says, "Of course, I am a young'in and by the 1980s a kid learned about the Aesir about the same time they learned about the Olympians." [lounge]|19:47 McMartin says, "I will hazard a guess that this was not always true" [lounge]|19:47 McMartin says, "It would be very funny indeed if the reason it is no longer true is because, well, one of the Aesir has his own comic book" [lounge]|19:47 inky says, "heh" [lounge]|19:48 inky says, "yeah, I guess there aren't any -- hmm" [lounge]|19:48 McMartin says, "Hercules" [lounge]|19:48 inky says, "I was going to say there aren't any greek gods with a comic book" [lounge]|19:48 inky says, "but yeah" [lounge]|19:48 McMartin says, "Is technically a hero" [lounge]|19:48 inky says, "also there's stuff like wonder woman and captain marvel" [lounge]|19:48 McMartin asks, "But Hercules had films and stuff even back in the 1930s, right?" [lounge]|19:48 inky says, "yeah" [lounge]|19:49 inky says, "one of Schwarzenegger's early roles was Hercules in New York" [lounge]|19:49 inky says, "(though later than the 30s, of course)" [lounge]|19:49 McMartin says, "Ha" [lounge]|19:49 McMartin says, "Labor: reroute the water under the Brooklyn Bridge to clean all the apartments in the Bronx" [lounge]|19:49 inky says, "ha ha" [lounge]|19:53 Emily arrives. [lounge]|19:53 Firion goes home. [lounge]|19:58 baf says, "Batman isn't an Avenger because he's owned by the wrong company." [google]|19:58 DorianX says, "seriously, fick you google. I;m trying to refine my search terms. you blanking out my last results makes this 100% impossible" [lounge]|19:59 baf says, "He's in the Justice League, though, where he gets bossed around by Superman. Or possibly talks back to Superman, depending on the writer." [lounge]|19:59 inky says, "man" [lounge]|19:59 inky says, "I really cannot keep these guys straight" [lounge]|19:59 Grocible says, "oh Marvel is Avengers and DC is Batman" [lounge]|20:00 inky says, "like you'd think it wouldn't be that hard, given that there are only two companies, to remember which is which" [lounge]|20:00 Grocible says, "so Spiderman should be in the Avengers" [lounge]|20:00 inky says, "or who is in which, I guess I should say" [lounge]|20:00 baf says (to Groc), "Right." [lounge]|20:00 inky asks, "wasn't he at some point?" [lounge]|20:00 inky | By the end of the first volume, the New Avengers team consisted of Luke Cage, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Captain America (Bucky Barnes), Ms. Marvel, Mockingbird, Spider-Woman, and team leader Ronin (the once-deceased Hawkeye, restored to life). Writer Brian Michael Bendis said in an interview that these characters are the authentic Avengers because Captain America said they were [lounge]|20:01 Grocible says, "a buncha second-tier characters" [lounge]|20:01 inky asks, "why you always putting Luke Cage down, man?" [lounge]|20:01 Grocible asks, "who?" [lounge]|20:01 inky says, "hee hee" [lounge]|20:02 Grocible says, "no, I'm serious here" [lounge]|20:02 Grocible says, "but then I'm not a comic book aficionado" [lounge]|20:03 inky says (to Grocible), " http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/3841/751/400/101673/LukeCageDoom03.jpg " [lounge]|20:03 Grocible says, "nope" [lounge]|20:03 inky says, "I guess this isn't useful for supporting what I am about to say, but Luke Cage is a blaxploitation type character" [lounge]|20:03 inky says, "I believe his powers are strength and invulnerable skin" [lounge]|20:05 Johnny asks, "So, two of Wonder Man's powers?" [lounge]|20:05 inky says, "and, of course, jive talkin'" [lounge]|20:05 inky says, "let's see Wonder Man do THAT" [lounge]|20:05 Grocible says, "sweet Christmas!" [lounge]|20:05 inky says, "exactly" [lounge]|20:06 baf says, "Also, in Alan Moore's brilliant early Marvel parody series '1963', the Thor niche was occupied by Horus." [lounge]|20:09 baf says, "And there were some comments in the fake letter column about his origin story, which of course involves Isis reassembling the dismembered corpse of her brother so she can use it to get pregnant. 'Maybe we should have used some other mythology', said the ficticious editor." [lounge]|20:09 Dave says, "ola" [metafilter]|20:10 Emily | As a general life rule, we can probably all agree that anyone claiming to be an international playboy isn't. [metafilter]|20:10 inky says, "ha ha" [metafilter]|20:10 inky says, "alas" [metafilter]|20:11 baf asks, "Hm. What do international playboys claim to be? Philanthropists?" [metafilter]|20:11 inky says, "costumed crimefighters" [metafilter]|20:11 Emily says, "yacht enthusiasts" [metafilter]|20:11 katre says, "too busy snorting champagne off supermodels to claim to be anything" [lounge]|20:14 Dave says, "la la la" [lounge]|20:15 K-Y says, "basically Marvel finally admitted that they are not too shameless to put Spider-Man and Wolverine on all the teams" [lounge]|20:15 K-Y says, "after like forty years" [lounge]|20:16 K-Y says, "Spider-Man hung around for twelve issues standing around in the background and saying one-liners before he got shuffled off again" [lounge]|20:16 baf says, "Spider-Man presumably has to quit all the teams on a regular basis." [lounge]|20:16 Dave asks, "do we have a channel for post office stuff?" [lounge]|20:16 K-Y says, "#post" [post]|20:17 * Dave has joined the channel. [lounge]|20:17 K-Y says, "well, he was on both the regular Avengers and the New Avengers, which was like his *actual* Avengers team" [post]|20:17 Dave says, "so duties" [post]|20:17 Dave asks, "how are they calculated and who pays them?" [lounge]|20:17 K-Y says, "and on New Avengers the running joke was 'Spider-Man declares he's quitting the team every other issue'" [post]|20:17 Dave says, "say, if I were to ship a laptop to another country" [lounge]|20:19 baf asks, "Is West Coast Avengers still a thing?" [lounge]|20:19 K-Y says (to Grocible), "also, come on, where do you think Nicolas Cage got his name from" [lounge]|20:19 McMartin says, "I think there's a Great Lakes Avengers too" [lounge]|20:19 K-Y says, "this is not even a joke" [lounge]|20:19 McMartin says, "It has Squirrel Girl" [lounge]|20:21 K-Y says, "West Coast Avengers got canceled in the 90s, about the same time that DC gave up on having things like Justice League Europe and Justice League Detroit" [post]|20:22 Ellison says, "there are several types" [lounge]|20:22 Allen says, "justice league antarctica" [post]|20:22 Ellison says, "you can choose one where you pay them, or one where the recipient pays them to receive it and combinations thereof" [lounge]|20:23 Johnny asks (of Allen), "Is that just a bunch of Superman robots?" [lounge]|20:23 Allen says, "it was a bunch of minor characters" [lounge]|20:23 Allen says, "they got defeated by an army of robot penguins" [lounge]|20:23 K-Y says, "however, this was only to clear the decks so that they could launch the EXTREME versions of the Avengers and the Justice League" [lounge]|20:24 borowski asks (of K-Y), "They drink Mountain Dew?" [comics]|20:25 Johnny | Clark Kent room: This was a privately locked chamber in honor of Clark Kent. The room bore no true functionality, and existed merely as a means of posterity. Should an intruder ever gain access to the Fortress, this room served as a red herring to convince others that Superman and Clark Kent were indeed two separate people. [comics]|20:25 inky says, "cunning" [lounge]|20:25 K-Y says, "mainly they are drawn very badly" [iPhone]|20:26 Allen asks, "hmm, iphones don't play midi files anymore?" [post]|20:29 Dave says, "the UPS Store guy thought it was only they-pay" [post]|20:29 Dave says, "so I left" [post]|20:29 Dave says, "I thought that was dumb" [post]|20:31 Ellison says, "it's possible that they limit you to one choice if you don't have a UPS/Fed/Ex account" [post]|20:31 Dave says, "I think he just didn't know" [post]|20:32 Dave says, "it was the dirtiest UPS Store I've ever been in" [post]|20:32 Dave says, "the UPS Store I have my business box at in Geneva is immaculate" [post]|20:32 Dave says, "and I'm sure they'd know what the scoop was" [post]|20:33 Dave says, "in any case, I'll take it to the post office tomorrow" [post]|20:33 Ellison says, "sounds good" [lounge]|20:33 K-Y says, "so of course now they're doing Avengers vs. X-Men" [post]|20:33 Dave says, "and if I can pre-pay all costs, that's the best" [lounge]|20:33 K-Y says, "and the big hook is 'will Wolverine fight as an Avenger or as an X-Man'" [lounge]|20:34 K-Y says, "or just do one side and then the other" [lounge]|20:35 McMartin says, "I hope he spends the whole series punching himself in the face" [movie]|20:36 DorianX asks, "who's playing The Hulk in the Avengers movie?" [movie]|20:36 Johnny says, "Computers." [movie]|20:36 Johnny asks, "Edward Norton?" [movie]|20:36 DorianX says, "Mark Ruffalo" [movie]|20:37 DorianX says, "I thought it looked like Eric Roberts" [movie]|20:37 DorianX says, "which made no sense at all" [movie]|20:40 DorianX says, "I wonder why they decided to not do a Hawkeye movie first" [movie]|20:41 Dave asks, "is what's her name's character in the comic books?" [movie]|20:41 DorianX says, "Presumably because Hawkeye is not a very interesting character. But then why put him in The Evengers" [movie]|20:41 DorianX asks, "Black Widow?" [movie]|20:41 Dave says, "yeah" [movie]|20:41 Dave says, "I assumed they just needed to add some boobs to the whole thing" [movie]|20:41 Dave says, "being hollywood and all" [movie]|20:41 DorianX says, "SHe's in the comics. She's even an Avenger" [movie]|20:42 Dave says, "huh" [movie]|20:42 DorianX says, "though I think she's better known for being in SHIELD" [movie]|20:42 Dave says, "I b wrong" [movie]|20:42 DorianX says, "Apparently she was in Iron Man 2" [movie]|20:42 Dave says, "yes" [movie]|20:42 DorianX says, "aha" [movie]|20:43 Dave asks, "does what's her name the actress look anything like the comic book character? blonde, buxom?" [movie]|20:43 Dave says, "you'd think Black Widow would be a brunette" [movie]|20:43 DorianX says, "Redhead" [movie]|20:43 Dave says, "I'm so confused" [movie]|20:44 DorianX says, "Of course she's buxom in the comics. She's a woman in a superhero comic" [movie]|20:44 Dave says, "point" [movie]|20:44 DorianX says, "she was originally a soviet spy antagonist character in Iron Man" [movie]|20:45 DorianX says, "apparently she's Hawkeye's love interest" [movie]|20:46 Dave says, "I'm looking forward to Avengers" [movie]|20:46 K-Y says, "it's pretty ludicrous" [movie]|20:46 DorianX says, "Huh. Lionsgate was gonna make a BLack Widow movie. David Hayter wrote the screenplay" [movie]|20:46 Dave says, "I think I'm going to let Ben watch Iron Man this weekend" [movie]|20:46 K-Y says, "both her and Nick Fury are on the Infinity Formula and so both of them have been kicking around since WWII" [movie]|20:47 DorianX says, "Yeah, but nick took so much it made him lose his hair and turn black" [movie]|20:48 K-Y says, "they did finally find a way to deal with that" [movie]|20:48 Dave says, "i love the suspension of rationality in comics" [movie]|20:48 Dave says, "it's the most endearing quality" [movie]|20:48 Johnny says, "It's Ultimate Nick Fury who in his second appearance had been redesigned to look like Sam Jackson." [movie]|20:49 K-Y says, "by revealing that Nick Fury's long-lost son happens to look exactly like Samuel L. Jackson" [movie]|20:49 DorianX says, "(is primary-universe Nick Fury black? I know that Ultimate Marvel nick explicitly looks like Samuel L Jackson" [movie]|20:49 Johnny says, "And Sam Jackson called up blah blah play Nick Fury in films blah blah." [movie]|20:49 K-Y says, "he's not" [movie]|20:49 DorianX says, "The only ohter actor I know of who played Nick Fury is David Hasslehoff." [news]|20:50 Dave says, "this is hilarious" [movie]|20:50 Johnny says, "The Marvel movie universe is kind of it's own thing anyway." [movie]|20:50 Johnny says (to DX), "nooooooo" [news]|20:50 Dave says, "look at the front page of msnbc.com" [news]|20:50 Dave says, "note the girl in the picture and where she's standing" [movie]|20:50 K-Y says, " http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8646/battlescars6thegroup021.jpg " [news]|20:50 Dave says, "now do an image google search on her "Cera Fearing"" [news]|20:51 Dave says, "note where she's standing in the earlier pictures" [news]|20:51 Allen asks, "handmedown kidney?" [movie]|20:51 K-Y says, "this page is the comics finally catching up with the movies" [movie]|20:51 DorianX says, "Nick Fury was originally just a normal WWII soldier" [news]|20:51 Dave says (to allen), "yes" [news]|20:51 Dave says, "now" [news]|20:51 Dave asks, "why do you think they retook the picture with her on the left?" [movie]|20:52 DorianX says, "Not like Steve Rogers where he became a superhero, just a normal soldier who did normal soldier stuff" [movie]|20:52 DorianX says, "when superhero comics became popular again, they just swapped him over" [movie]|20:54 baf asks, "He was Sergeant Fury, wasn't he? Of Sergeant Fury and his Howling Commandos?" [movie]|20:54 DorianX says, "Yeah" [movie]|20:54 baf says, "Then he became a super-spy with futuristic gadgets." [gayrights]|21:00 Allen says, "California:" [gayrights]|21:00 Allen | The bill is SB 1172, and it bans "psychotherapy" of under-18-year-olds "aimed at altering the sexual or romantic desires, attractions, or conduct of a person toward people of the same sex so that the desire, attraction, or conduct is eliminated or reduced or might instead be directed toward people of a different sex." This so regardless of whether the patient or the patient's parents want the therapy to take place. [gayrights]|21:01 inky says, "that seems pretty reasonable to me" [lounge]|21:05 inky says, "ok zip" [lounge]|21:05 inky exists more as a conversation starter about the future of food delivery than an actual startup plan or business. [gayrights]|21:07 DorianX says, "Box Turtle Bulletin had a piece on this. It apparently does not prevent all forms fo parents forcing their child to be de-gayed" [pr0n]|21:08 Allen | Gay Porn's Most Shocking Taboo [pr0n]|21:09 DorianX says, "it turns out it's straight porn" [pr0n]|21:09 Allen | Over the past few months, they have become two of the most controversial performers to hit the gay porn world in a very long time. That's because they're willing to break a taboo that, even in an industry that thrives on extremes, is too extreme for many: twin incest (or, more succinctly, twincest). [pr0n]|21:09 Johnny says, "I thought it was going to be unprotected sex." [pr0n]|21:09 DorianX says, "Admittedly, you rarely see het twincest." [pr0n]|21:10 Allen | "My brother is my boyfriend, and I am his boyfriend," says one of the twins during a phone call from Prague (Elijah and Milo sound so much alike on the phone it is impossible to tell which one is speaking). "He is my lifeblood, and he is my only love." [pr0n]|21:10 Johnny asks, "Isn't this basically masturbation?" [pr0n]|21:11 borowski says (to Johnny), "You're thinking of clone sex." [pr0n]|21:11 maga says (to DX), "fraternal twincest: somehow not quite the same" [pr0n]|21:12 Allen | The entire affair is disturbing not only because the sight of two identical-looking men having sex is, well, disconcerting, or the fact that they're doing so without protection against HIV -- but because the twins are either really good actors, or they really enjoy having sex with one another. [pr0n]|21:14 Allen says, "I wonder if they have other siblings" [pr0n]|21:14 Johnny asks, "Are any porn actors known for their acting?" [lounge]|21:15 borowski reminds you, "Due to the continuing narrative nature of our show, please do not divulge the contents of story lines to anyone. This script is for your eyes only. Thank you for your cooperation." [lounge]|21:15 borowski is a science, not simply a screensaver! [pr0n]|21:16 Allen says, "my boss once said as an saisde, commenting on two gay brothers that worked at our company, 'No parent should be forced to handle that situation'" [pr0n]|21:16 DorianX asks, "Um. The person who wrote this knows that HIV doesn;t, like, spontaneously generate from gay sex, right?" [pr0n]|21:16 Allen says, "er, as an aside" [pr0n]|21:17 Johnny says, "Maybe they're into sharing needles and intravenous drug use." [TV]|21:18 borowski says, "I found myself snapping my fingers and humming cool blues music at the grocery store today." [pr0n]|21:19 Allen asks (of DorianX), "isn't it pretty unusual these days for gay porn to be conducted without condoms?" [pr0n]|21:21 DorianX says, "I don't know. I don't watch a lot of gay porn." [pr0n]|21:22 DorianX says, "but if the actors are having sex with each other unprotected off-camera, it's not clear what the point would be of rubbering up on-camera" [lounge]|21:22 Emily goes home. [lounge]|21:22 * Emily has disconnected. [pr0n]|21:22 DorianX says, "I know that the straight porn lobby is fighting the CA government about requiring condoms" [pr0n]|21:23 Johnny says, "I know there are some porn actors that see it as socially irresponsible." [pr0n]|21:23 DorianX says, "Sure. Porn is not a monolith. A big, hard, black monolith" [pr0n]|21:24 Johnny says, "More likely to be a purple jelly I think." [pr0n]|21:24 Allen says, "looks like this guy writes about gay issues frequently. Another article: "Brian was the hottest guy I'd ever seen, and I couldn't believe he was into me. Then I discovered why"" [pr0n]|21:26 DorianX says, "that sounds like the first paragraph of penis enlargment spam" [TV]|21:26 Jon says, "awesome" [lounge]|21:38 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven. [politics]|21:38 Dave says, "ha ha ha" [politics]|21:38 Dave says, "I get a kick out of reading the wacko comments on occasion" [politics]|21:38 Dave says, "this is brilliant" [politics]|21:39 Dave | Malia Ann Obama......MAO. Coincidence?.......I doubt it. [politics]|21:41 borowski exclaims, "And if you switch Obama's first name and middle name, you get: Hussein, Barack Obama... HBO.... and Game of thrones is on HBO... Obama is trying to become King of America!" [lounge]|21:42 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, deep blue this time of day. [politics]|21:44 borowski says, "In a weird way, I miss Glenn Beck. He elevated that sort of thing to an art form." [politics]|21:45 Johnny says (to borowski), "See, if you'd said 'trying to get Game of Thrones canceled' someone might've cared." [lounge]|21:45 borowski says, "Hi zarf" [politics]|21:45 borowski says, "heh" [lounge]|21:45 zarf says, "hello" [politics]|21:49 Dave says, "what's so sad about these comments is that some of them could easily be from my mom or sisters" [politics]|21:50 Dave says, "they've all flipped out and gone wacko" [politics]|21:50 McMartin says, "These are functionally indistinguishable from mental illness" [politics]|21:50 McMartin says, "This is at 'the communists at the PTA are irradiating my breakfast cereal, as proven by the way they spelled out their plans in small details on the new $5 bill' levels." [politics]|21:51 McMartin says, "I don't actually remember much of this with Bush or Clinton; those seemed to be strictly 'this person is pure evil so of course they're going to do all these terrible things'" [politics]|21:51 Dave says, "my favorite conspiracy theory is the one where Congress is planning to build six concentration camps" [politics]|21:51 Dave asks, "why six?" [politics]|21:51 borowski says (to Dave), "Yeah, politics have made it difficult to deal with my extended family." [politics]|21:52 McMartin says, "I think my favorite current conspiracy theory is the government's dastardly plot to build a road that connects Mexico to Canada" [politics]|21:52 borowski says, "They don't even try to hide the fact they hate Barack Obama and Herman Caine for the same reason." [politics]|21:52 McMartin says, "Should they ever succeed at this, America's sovereignty will be destroyed" [politics]|21:52 McMartin says (to borowski), "Well, that at least shows that some kind of thought process is happening" [politics]|21:52 McMartin says, "It's not a pleasant one, but you can map the process" [politics]|21:53 McMartin says, "I can only make these other ones work by simulating actual mental disorders" [politics]|21:53 borowski says, "I've heard the concentration camp/FEMA thing before, but I've never heard the reason why they think the government would want to do it." [politics]|21:53 McMartin says, "Gotta round up those Christians because the American government *hates* Christians" [politics]|21:53 McMartin says, "It hates them *so much*" [politics]|21:54 McMartin says, "This theory also usually involves seizing all the churches under martial law and 'suspending the Constitution'" [politics]|21:54 borowski asks, "If people are in concentration camps, how are they going to pay taxes?" [politics]|21:54 McMartin says, "Well, they're not supposed to be collecting taxes in the first place, right, so stopping that is just like ceasing to devour babies" [politics]|21:54 McMartin says, "That's just a small opportunity cost" [politics]|21:54 McMartin asks, "I guess?" [politics]|21:54 Dave says, "I especially love the all caps rants that are well written and seemingly honest concerns, until the end...where THE WHITE RACE comes into play" [politics]|21:54 borowski says, "haha" [lounge]|21:55 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts. [lounge]|21:55 * K-Y has disconnected. [politics]|21:55 McMartin asks, "aka 'that grouping we came up with so the micks and dagos could help us beat up brown people'?" [lounge]|21:55 genericgeekgirl goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy! [politics]|21:55 McMartin says, "My ancient ethnic slur-fu is a bit weak, I've forgotten the appropriate nasty name for Italians" [politics]|21:55 Dave says, "it's almost as if the bigots think they're hiding their true feelings from the rest of the world" [politics]|21:56 McMartin says, "Lately I've been feeling like they're starting to think that everyone else actually agrees with them, but the Political Correctness Cabal - which is a tiny, tiny minority - has successfully mind-controlled everyone into having to hide it" [politics]|21:56 Dave | aha - http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr645 [politics]|21:57 Dave says, "an actual bill to help train first responders" [politics]|21:57 DorianX says (to mcmartin), "The trick to remembering it is to recallthe motto of the italian tire company." [politics]|21:57 Dave says, "gets turned into a ploy to make concentration camps" [politics]|21:57 McMartin says (to DorianX), "I'm afraid that's even less than useful" [politics]|21:57 DorianX says, "(Warning: racist joke)" [politics]|21:57 McMartin says (to Dave), "Yeah, the 'OMG THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD' thing is from the maintenance of the I-35 corridor, too" [politics]|21:57 McMartin says, "There's always a spark that sets the flame of madness alight" [politics]|21:58 DorianX says, ""Dego in de rain, Dego in the snow, and when dego flat, dego 'wop wop wop'"" [politics]|21:58 McMartin says, "Aiya" [politics]|21:58 McMartin says, "I've always been afraid to tell the SuperCorridor nuts about the existence of the Interstate Highway System generally, and I-5 and I-15 specifically, because I'm afraid they might become domestic terrorists as a result" [politics]|22:00 McMartin says, "Also, when I first encountered the bit about FEMA suspending the constitution, I imagined someone shouting 'Ha-HA! Now Congress will have THREE chambers'" [politics]|22:01 Allen says, "ethnic slur for italians? "spic" I think" [politics]|22:02 Allen says, "I thought dagos were spaniards" [politics]|22:03 Allen says, "oh, huh, in the US it means italian, but in the UK it means spaniard. Corrupted from "diego"" [lounge]|22:04 DavidW goes southwest to play with toys. [lounge]|22:04 borowski reminds you, "Due to the continuing narrative nature of our show, please do not divulge the contents of story lines to anyone. This script is for your eyes only. Thank you for your cooperation." [politics]|22:05 Allen says, "wikipedia says wop too" [lounge]|22:05 borowski is a science, not simply a screensaver! [politics]|22:06 Allen asks, "crap, it says spic means hispanic in the US but Italian in the UK. How did I pick up a UK slur?" [Canada]|22:06 Jon asks, "hm, what should I do in Montreal?" [politics]|22:06 Allen | Sucker fish: a term used ambiguously in southern Oregon directed towards the Klamath people during a dispute over the sucker fish of the Klamath River which was considered sacred by the tribe. Troublemakers displayed bumper-stickers with the message "Save a Farmer, Fillet a sucker fish."[182] [politics]|22:07 ghira says, "I have only heard most of these terms thanks to the monty python sketch about terremolinos, calamari and two veg, etc." [Canada]|22:07 DavidW says, "Say hi to Miseri." [Canada]|22:07 katre says, "wander around and be charmed by the beautiful city" [Canada]|22:08 katre says, "try to remember how to say you want milk and sugar in your coffee, give up, shrug, and point" [kitties]|22:08 ghira says, "our mighty hunter has caught her fourth mouse ever" [kitties]|22:08 ghira says, "though she's not sure what to do next, as usual" [Canada]|22:08 katre says, "although that was in a little town halfway between Montreal and Quebec City" [Canada]|22:08 Jon says, "lucky me; I don't drink coffee." [Canada]|22:08 Allen says, "see if Elin Soderstrom is playing any concerts" [Canada]|22:08 Allen says, "or Les Voix Humaines" [Canada]|22:08 Allen says, "(should you be interested in hearing viol music)" [Canada]|22:08 Jon says, "well, I'll be in town from the night of May 6th to midday on the 9th." [kitties]|22:09 Allen asks, "man. Was it half-eaten?" [kitties]|22:09 ghira says, "no" [kitties]|22:09 Allen says, "I'm glad I've never had any mouse catchings" [kitties]|22:09 Allen says, "it's bad enough to find a half-eaten roach in a pile of cat puke" [kitties]|22:09 ghira says, "she stands near the mouse and makes strange yowlings" [kitties]|22:09 katre says, "yeah, the twice he's got one Lindy has ended up very befuddled about what comes next" [kitties]|22:10 ghira says, "we remove it and throw it away (in bin outside) and then she becomes confused about where it has gone and searches for it" [kitties]|22:10 ghira says, "we think she has even less idea about fish" [kitties]|22:11 ghira says, "we have a pond with fish in it, and we first learned of her existence by seeing her staring into our pond for extended periods" [kitties]|22:11 Allen says, "you know, I think think the stereotype about cats and fish has any truth" [kitties]|22:11 ghira says, "some cats do apparently catch fish from ponds" [kitties]|22:12 ghira says, "I've not personally seen anything beyond staring" [lounge]|22:12 vaporware would only be allowed to hire staffers who were already employed in the anti-government tract-cranking industry. [Canada]|22:13 DavidW says, "Voted." [Canada]|22:13 DavidW says, "ilac" [kitties]|22:14 Allen says, "my cats don't seem to care for fish cat food" [kitties]|22:14 ghira says, "the Mi seems happy to eat anything" [kitties]|22:15 ghira says, "we actually feed her cat food which claims to reduce hairballs, since they are a problem she has had in the past" [kitties]|22:15 ghira says, "but when we originally gave her very cheap food she was perfectly happy to eat it" [kitties]|22:15 Allen asks, "do you do wet & dry?" [kitties]|22:15 ghira says, "just dry" [kitties]|22:16 Allen says, "I feed mine wet in the morning and evening, with a small amount of dry food left out in the day and night" [kitties]|22:16 ghira says, "we don't do "mealtimes". there is a bowl with food in it all the time. she wanders by from time to time and eats when she feels like it" [politics]|22:16 DorianX says, "Kali didn't eat today again" [kitties]|22:16 Allen says, "I used to do only dry, but it seemed to lead to fat cats" [kitties]|22:17 ghira says, "she's been 4.9 kg at every vet visit ever" [kitties]|22:17 Allen says, "I switched to the mix of the two around 2006" [kitties]|22:17 ghira says, "which is according to one vet at the surgery fine and according to another one a bit overweight, but given that it's so consistent they seem happy enough" [lounge]|22:18 ghira says, "back to bed with me" [food]|22:19 Allen says, "this microwave burrito package says 'Made with 70% organic ingredients'" [food]|22:19 Allen says, "I've never seen foods advertised with a fraction of organic" [food]|22:20 borowski says, "I usually only eat 100% organic packaging." [food]|22:21 Allen says, "oh I see it varies according to the product http://evolfoods.com/in-the-freezer/classics/ " [lounge]|22:21 borowski goes southwest to play with toys. [lounge]|22:23 Dave goes southwest to play with toys. [lounge]|22:25 Dave arrives from the Toyshop, Slinkies dangling from every appendage. [jobs]|22:39 Dave says, "if I go to sleep at 10, I will be up at 4am" [jobs]|22:39 Dave says, "then I'll fall asleep in my interview at 9am" [lounge]|22:47 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around. [lounge]|22:47 Gerynar goes to the southeast (first unlocking the chapel doors). bara [lounge]|22:47 Gerynar enters from the southeast, thoroughly spoiled. [lounge]|22:47 Gerynar goes southwest to play with toys. [lounge]|22:47 Roger has large dark eyes and ominously sober features that make you think he might grow up to become chairman of the Federal Reserve, or a serial killer. [exercise]|22:47 Roger says, "Finished lifting, finished eating." [exercise]|22:48 Roger says, "Didn't feel any weaker doing it fasted; not sure how long that'll last" [kitties]|22:48 Roger says, "Otaa seems to have no interest in any wet food we've tried giving her" [OpenOffice]|22:49 katre says, "grr pivot tables" [lounge]|22:57 BrenBarn busta. [amazon]|22:58 K-Y says, "ship, dammit" [amazon]|22:58 Allen asks, "arg, you clicked "super saver shipping", didn't you?" [amazon]|22:59 K-Y says, "normally that doesn't require four days to ship out" [comics]|23:00 K-Y says, "I still don't understand how a guy goes from looking like this http://marvel.com/images/gallery/issue/41346/images_from_battle_scars_2011_6/image/903319 " [comics]|23:00 K-Y says, "to looking like this http://marvel.com/images/gallery/story/18612/images_from_battle_scars_enter_agent_coulson/image/915734 " [lounge]|23:06 Rob comes right on in. Recapped 379 of 3326 lines from recent channels. Current time: Wednesday, 25 Apr 2012, 11:06:15 PM EDT There is one new message on #if/games/nameless. There is one new message on #media/books/books. There is one new message on #misc/personal/lpRPG. There is one new message on #misc/places/Boston. There is one new message on #misc/places/NYC. There are 2 new messages on #misc/places/UK. There is one new message on #sci/research. There is one new message on #sci/space. There is one new message on #tech/ebooks. Rob says, "verk" BrenBarn says, "yark" [comics] Rob says, "who is this dude" #151 [misc/places/Boston] From: katre Date: 24-Apr-12 11:59 Subject: Dinner with katre I'll be eating dinner somewhere in Davis Square around 6 or 6:30ish on Saturday the 28th, then heading to the Jim's Big Ego show at Davis Square Theater (doors open 7:30). If you're free (or just have a dinner recommendation) let me know! #214 [media/books/books] From: nm Date: 24-Apr-12 23:36 Subject: Local kid makes good -- Jimmy Maher's The Future Was Here About the Commodore Amiga. http://nickm.com/post/2012/04/the-amiga-book-mahers-the-future-was-here/ #306 [misc/places/NYC] From: Matthew Date: 25-Apr-12 10:24 Subject: Old New York photos http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134408/Never-seen-photos-100-years-ago-tell-vivid-story-gritty-New-York-City.html #99 [misc/places/UK] From: ghira Date: 24-Apr-12 07:58 Subject: brightonmeet doodle for event on http://www.doodle.com/ckeq8mgqdyrvd45t #100 [misc/places/UK] From: ghira Date: 25-Apr-12 03:45 Subject: new brighton dates have added two july dates to doodle in previous bb message #214 [sci/space] From: ctate Date: 25-Apr-12 00:25 Subject: Space asteroid miners mining asteroids! In space! Planetary Resources announces plans to mine near-earth celstial bodies for minerals, water, etc. Significant funding from James Cameron, Google founders, etc. http://www.planetaryresources.com/ #15 [tech/ebooks] From: vimes Date: 24-Apr-12 12:57 Subject: Tor / Forge ebooks to go DRM-free http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/04/torforge-e-book-titles-to-go-drm-free #3 [sci/research] From: StephenW Date: 25-Apr-12 09:57 Subject: Fifth workshop on Intelligent Narrative Technologies - Call for Papers ifMUD patrons may be interested in submitting to or attending INT 5, to be co-located with this year's Artificial Intelligence and Interactive Digital Entertainment (AIIDE) in Palo Alto, CA in October. The website (including the call for papers and other details) can be found at http://dgrc.ncsu.edu/int5 #1 [misc/personal/lpRPG] From: lpsmith Date: 23-Apr-12 23:07 Subject: Pitches! Pitch descriptions at http://spod-central.org/~lpsmith/rpg/seattle/lprpg_pitches.html ; Take the survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/M35DB62 #2 [if/games/nameless] From: Adam Date: 25-Apr-12 01:03 Subject: Bugs I've received some feedback for 1.01, including reports of one dead-ending bug (urf); I've gathered that some folks here are starting to finish, so if you have bug reports or other feedback (e.g., "add pronouns" (added for beta 5) and ">KILL should try to kill with a sword if you have one" (added for beta 6)), that would really be helpful. 172@adamcadre.ac or just MUDmail me. Thanks! [comics] Roger says, "Agent Coulson is the mundane SHIELD/Avengers guy" [comics] K-Y says, "the other dude is the stand-in for Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury when there's already a Nick Fury" [wikipedia] Allen | Dryden spiced his play with crowd-pleasing features, including incantations and conjured spirits, and an elaborate grotto scene with "a Fountain spouting." [comics] Rob says, "I couldn't tell whether it was supposed to be nick fury or not" [comics] K-Y says, "it's the son of white Nick Fury" [comics] Rob says, "it is? huh / heh" [comics] K-Y says, "who is named Marcus Johnson, but turns out to be secretly legally named Nick Fury" [comics] Allen says (to Rob), "Lemarckian evolution explains the single eye" Caught in a grab and a gabble of fabulous feet... Paul! If I were banker, painter: Gauguin! Fabulous feet... Paul! [comics] K-Y says, "to be fair, the eye happened during the story" [news] Matthew says, "So, uh." [comics] Roger says, "Nick took a page out of George Foreman's book and named his kids Nick, Nick, Nick, George, and Nick." [news] Matthew asks, "Do you all remember my telling you that I submitted a play to the New York International Fringe Festival?" [news] Roger says, "Sure why not" [news] Matthew says, "So, uh." [news] Matthew says, "It was accepted." [news] Roger says, "Neat" [news] Gerynar exclaims, "congrats!" [news] Matthew says, "I am completely scared out of my mind." [comics] Allen says, "biological thinking never progressed to Darwin, who was exposed to a radioactive finch in the DC universe Voyage of the Beagle" [news] Matthew says, "I didn't think there was even the slightest, most remote possibility of this happening." [news] Allen says, "whoah, fringe festival. I hope this play is really scarily "out there"" [news] Roger asks, "Do you need to do anything further or do they supply actors and directors and all that jazz?" [news] Ellison says (to Matthew), "wow, great news" [news] BrenBarn says, "it's so fringe there are no actors or directors" [news] BrenBarn says, "it's just a dead hamster lying on stage" [comics] Rob says, "hm apparently it's lamarck not lemarck" [news] Ellison says, "dead hamsters tell no tales, but damn, do they lie" [news] Rob says, "wow, congrats" [news] Rob asks, "what's it about?" [news] Rob asks, "don't you usually have to put on your own show in a fringe fest?" [news] Allen says, "oh, I see from my logs that your submission was totally overshadowed by Whitney Houston's death. Which you announced less than 5 minutes after submitting it. And which Gerynar posted on #obits 40 seconds later and then you said on #obits '@recap news'" [comics] Rob says, "#yay" [comics] Rob | He is often incorrectly cited[citation needed] [comics] BrenBarn says, "ha ha" [news] Allen asks, "so, man, whitney houston is dead?" [news] Rob says, "dead, autopsied, and buried" [news] Rob says, "and yet her voice still is heard echoing in the aether" [news] Matthew says (to Rob), "Yeah, you do put on your own show." [news] Allen says, "jeeze. That was only in February. If this were Sweden, they wouldn't have the burial for 2 more months" [news] Rob asks, "are you prepared to do this?" [news] Rob asks (of Allen), "how's that?" [news] Matthew says (to Rob), "I'm too busy freaking out at the moment to do much of anything." [news] Rob says, "bake yourself a cake then get down to business" [news] Allen says (to Rob), "scandinavian custom of storing the body for months. It dates to ancient times when the earth was too frozen to dig up" [news] Rob asks, "also, when does the fest happen?" [news] Matthew exclaims (at Rob), "I like the way you think!" [news] Matthew says (to Rob), "Mid-August." [news] Rob says, "phew" [news] Allen says, "the body would be getting pretty rank by mid-august" [news] Rob says, "sounds short given everything that needs to happen" [news] Rob says (to Allen), "ah" [news] Allen says, "much like surstrommig, the fermented (rotted) herring dish that certain swedes love" [news] Rob says, "wow, too frozen to bury a body. then again, that also means freezy enough for the body to keep" [news] BrenBarn says, "what about gravlax" [news] Allen says, "gravlax isn't real" [news] Rob says, "sounds like the title of a bergman film" [news] Allen says, "speaking of Bergman, I saw a movie review earlier today that described it as "Like Scenes from a Marriage, with Fart Jokes"" [news] Rob says, "I'd hate to go to sweden and order some wild strawberries and get a plate of fermented herring instead" [news] Rob says, "ha ha" [news] Rob says, "that must be that 5 year engagement movie" [news] BrenBarn says, "gravlax is real" [news] Rob says, "either that or american pie reunion" [news] Rob says, "what's gravlax" [news] BrenBarn says, "what if you ordered strawberries and got gravlax" [movie] Allen | Scenes From a Marriage, But Longer And With Fart Jokes. The Five-Year Engagement, Reviewed. [news] BrenBarn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravlax [news] Rob says, "ha ha nailed it" [news] BrenBarn says, "we were talking about gravlas the other day" [news] Rob says, "ym gravitas" [news] BrenBarn says, "er, gravlax" [news] Allen says, "I love those 70s Bergman films" [news] Rob says, "buried in sand" [news] Rob says, "'crunchy gravlax'" [news] Rob says, "if we didn't bury it in the sand, it wouldn't be crunchy, now would it" [news] Allen says, "also, I love usurping great Matthew news with total nonsequiturs. Live for it, actually" [news] BrenBarn says, "being usurped by gravlax is a fiendish fate" [news] Rob says, "I had barely watched any bergman films until he died, then I went on a 3 week jag and watched fifteen of them" [news] Allen asks, "holy crap, 15?" [news] Rob says, "liked them a lot for the most part" [news] Rob says, "one of those guys who made so many films he started getting more and more experimental to not be bored" [news] Allen asks, "were these the American cuts, or the original 6-hour Swedish TV versions?" [news] Rob says, "then he decided he was too experimental and went simple and deep" [news] Rob says, "both" [news] Rob says, "kind of like when the beatles dialed back from psychedelia and started rocking out again" [news] Allen says, "I've only seen one since Fannie & Alexander" [news] Rob says, "I bought the fanny & alexander criterion dvd that has both versions" [news] Allen says, "it was a really depressing autobiographical one with snow and stuff" [news] Rob says, "about the only time he ever got a real fancy budget to work with" [news] Allen says, "I can't remember the name" [news] Rob says, "that could be a lot of them" [news] Rob says, "also some of the dvd sets had documentaries and I enjoyed watching those" [twitter] zarf says, "@pentametron is now tweeting *rhyming* couplets in meter" [twitter] borowski says, "Heck yes" [news] Rob says, "he got into this rhythm where he would spend the summer shooting a movie he wrote, and the fall and winter directing plays" [news] Rob says, "remarkable productivity" [news] Allen says, "The Best Intentions" [news] Rob says, "hm I dunno if I've seen that one" [twitter] borowski asks, ">BUY FISH?" [news] Allen says, "saw it at the Inwood in Dallas. Don't remember a thing. Except depression. And snow." [twitter] borowski says, "ILAC" [news] Rob says, "they can be a little bleak" returns like a re-gifted fruitcake. Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough. [news] Rob says, "he struggled a lot with stern catholic upbringing and life being crappy and cold" [news] Allen says, "I have to say my favorite film ever is his Magic Flute" [news] Rob says, "yeah!" [news] Rob says, "that was fun" Olly says, "Hello, MUDfolk." [news] Rob says, "I enjoyed hearing it sung in swedish" Rob says, "hello Olly" Rob says, "how are you faring" [news] Allen says, "yeah. With the little signs, which were in Swedish and you couldn't read" [news] Allen says, "and the whimsical intermission scenes" [news] Rob says, "that's the other thing I learned" Olly looks as pitiful as possible. [news] Rob says, "that I enjoy hearing swedish" [news] Allen says, "one had all the actors gathered around back stage smoking" [news] Rob says, "it's like a more melodic and less harsh version of german" [news] Allen says, "and then the Dragon walks by, the guy in the dragon costume. Also smoking, except you don't see the cigarette, only the smoke coming from his nostrils" [news] Rob says, "with some accents having trilled R's, who knows where they got that from" DorianX says, "I do not know if this is a 'yay' or a 'boo'" [news] Allen says, "I like German singing. It sounds vastly better than French" Rob says, "oh dear" DorianX says, "Leah bought a pile of old Disney Read-A-Long books at totswap" [news] Rob says, "hmm" [news] BrenBarn says, "ZUT ALORS" [news] Rob says, "I've only heard french singing by way of gainsbourg and piaf" [news] Rob says, "and weird modern kids who want to hip-hop rap in french" DorianX says, "But the Mickey Mouse's Mother Goose book turned out to have inside not Mickey Mouse's Mother Goose, but "He-Man and Battle Cat"" Olly asks, "Are those the ones that make noises?" Rob says, "ha ha" Rob says, "I'm thinking of the records I used to know" Rob says, "little 45s that would go 'Ding! turn the page'" DorianX says (to olly), "it's a sort of children's book with accompanying audiobook" [news] BrenBarn says, "I remember when I was a sophomore in college my friend listened to this one french rap song over and over" DorianX says, "They're actually 33s, but they're small like 45s" [hobo] Ellison says, "this page has a hobo-esque dude: http://artsake.massculturalcouncil.org/blog/artsake/index.php/2012/04/25/2012-guggenheim-fellows-from-massachusetts/ " Rob says, "I had one of those toy-company record players" [news] Allen says (to Rob), "here you go. Listen to this. You will love it:" [news] Allen | http://plover.net/~agarvin/jager_haver_ingen_krare.mp3 Rob says, "and access to my parents' record player" Olly says, "Ah. I had some of those on audio tape." DorianX says, "Yeah, I had a few of them" [news] Allen says, "this is Swedish singing." DorianX says, "I'm sure some were on audio tape, but I can't recall" [news] Rob says, "I'm a-clicking on it" DorianX says, "I also had Challenge of the Go-Bots in this format" [hobo] BrenBarn says, "nice, a hobo with a guggenheim fellowship" Rob says, "well I grew up in the 1970s which was more like the 1950s than the 1990s" DorianX says, "And a 5-part adaptation of Gremlins" [hobo] Rob says, "ha ha" [hobo] Rob says, "you had me at 'nice, a hobo'" DorianX says, "Which was the prize with the kids meal at Hardees for five weeks" [hobo] Ellison says, "heh" DorianX says, "I wonder if there isa chance in hell of me finding mine in my parents attic" [news] Rob says, "I hear fiddly instruments but no singing yet" [hobo] BrenBarn says, "you had me at hobo" DorianX says, "Before Dylan is too old for them" [news] Allen says, "wait for it!" [news] Allen says, "you will be charmed" DorianX says, "Those books are the reason I could read by the time I was 3" Rob says, "I learned to read by 3 from Richard Scarry books" [news] Rob says, "almost sounds celtic" [news] Rob says, "hey there was a trilled R" [news] Rob says, "this is nice" [ollyprattle] Olly says, "I still resent people who could read when they were three, which is stupid." [news] Allen says, "this was actually the first album I bought from Sweden. It took a month to arrive" [ollyprattle] Rob says, "sorry" [ollyprattle] Rob says, "it's like trading SAT scores or something" [news] Allen says, "like, ordered directly from Sweden" [news] Allen says, "in the mid 90s" [ollyprattle] Rob says, "doesn't really predict success in later life very much" [ollyprattle] Olly says, "Yeah. I could only sort of read when I was ten." [news] Rob says, "I wonder if I'll ever have a chance to take a trip to sweden" [ollyprattle] Rob says, "really? huh" [news] Allen says, "they have amazing musical festivals" [ollyprattle] Olly is dyslexic. [ollyprattle] Rob says, "did you have some other challenge like dyslexia or" [ollyprattle] Rob says, "aha" [news] Allen says, "very community and outdoor oriented" [ollyprattle] Rob says, "ok well that's a whole different thing" [ollyprattle] Roger says, "I suspect this generation will be typing by the time they're 3" [news] Rob says, "I guess I'd rather go there during the summer than some other time" [ollyprattle] Olly says, "Heh." [news] Allen says, "yeah, totally. I hear they're like germans in the spring and summer" [news] Rob says, "at one point a year or so ago I read that there's some sort of writing workshop retreat thing that happens on the little island of Faro where Bergman lived his last 20 or 30 years, and I thought that sounded neat" [news] Allen says, "ready to shed clothing at drop of a hat" [news] Allen says, "and enjoy the nice weather" [ollyprattle] Rob says, "it scares me to see my 1 and 3 year old niece and nephew take to ipad UI like fish to water" [news] Rob says, "I wouldn't mind shedding clothing with free spirited swedes" [news] Allen says, "Stockholm is often called the venice of the north" [news] BrenBarn says, "at the beach they only wear. . . a sweedo" [news] Allen says, "lots of canals." [ollyprattle] Olly sings, "It's so simple, so very simple that only a child can do it." [news] Rob says, "I get the idea that there's no good reason to be in sweden in the winter" [ollyprattle] Rob says, "yeah" [news] Allen says, "and all of them so clean and polution free that people can and do swim in them all over" [news] BrenBarn says, "the good reason if you're a viking rich with plunder" [news] Rob says, "wow, don't try that in venice" [news] BrenBarn says, "er, is if" [news] Rob says, "katharine hepburn made a movie in venice, and there was a scene where her character was supposed to fall into the canal" [diet] Roger says, "Time for milk & pills" [news] Rob says, "and she insisted on doing it herself instead of a stuntwoman, and she caught some sort of bacterial infection in her eye that she had to deal with the last 4 decades of her life" [diet] Rob says, "that's some diet" [news] Allen asks, "and she refused, and her stunt double came down with hepititas B?" [news] Allen says, "ha ha, timing" [news] Rob says, "I learned this tidbit in some documentary about her that I saw some random time" [news] Rob says, "well, that'd be something to do with a time machine. go back to see venice where the water is clean. you'd have to go back quite a ways" [news] Allen says (to Rob), "here's another song for you from the same album: http://plover.net/~agarvin/08-midsommernatta_polska.mp3 " [diet] Rob says, "there are times when I need to take a pill and I haven't eaten so I take it with milk to give my stomach something else to work with" [news] Rob says, "ok" [news] Rob says, "mid summer night polka" [news] Allen says, "I posted this on nannymud, the Swedish mud I used to hang out on, in the late 0s" [news] Allen says, "er, 90s" [news] Rob asks, "nannymud was swedish?" [news] Allen says, "yeah. At lysator, the famous Swedish computer club, Europe's oldest computer club" [news] Rob says, "the first time I learned I liked how swedish sounds was back when I was in college" [news] Allen says, "3 native speakers could hardly make out more than 3 or 4 words of this song, except to say it sounded like some way backwoods speaker" [news] Rob says, "there was this palo alto theater refurbished and run by david packard, jr" [news] Rob says, "who showed old hollywood movies because he loved 'em even if he took a loss on it" [news] Rob says, "that was quite a movie education" [news] Rob says, "anyway they would do monthlong themes" [news] Allen says, "apparently it's a midsommer dance, and there's a girl involved, and hijinks. Or something" [news] Rob says, "so they did an ingrid bergman month, starting with her swedish films" [news] Rob says, "and I watched all of those and got kind of steeped in it" [news] Rob says, "the only word I picked up was how to say no in swedish" [news] Allen says, "this is the album: http://drone.se/cd.php?cd=DROCD005 " [news] Rob says, "sounds like 'nay', not sure how they spell it" [news] Allen says, "I used to know how to say "Help, there's a hermit crab in my underwear" but I've kinda forgotten it" [diet] Roger says, "That's the least crazy thing about this diet" [news] Rob says, "but with your mouth stretched into more of a smile than just a plain english 'nay'" [news] Rob says, "hee hee" [news] Allen says, "sometthing like hjael, dat ere en heremita krafter in mina kalsonger" In fact, Superman should probably just stay out of Vermont entirely. inky is mostly just chilling, trying to avoid pollution and forest fires. [news] Allen says, "but don't dependon on me for that if you're actually in Stockholm. I only vaguely remember it" [news] BrenBarn says, "I guess once you've had the hermit crab there for a while you realize yelling for help is useless" [news] Rob says, "Allerten! Skag vo:ren im unterpa:nz i KrOberhermmisk" Olly says, "Hello, inky." inky says, "howdy" Rob says, "speaking of hermit crabs in your swedish underpants" inky says, "that's no swedish underpant, it's a swedish fish" [news] Rob says, "there's also that line in Splash where john candy says, 'hey buddy, I've got a 12-inch penis' in swedish to fool a swedish guard" [news] Rob says, "that was probably the first thing I ever heard in swedish" [news] Allen says, "huh, I can't remember John Candy at all in Splash" [news] Rob says, "he was tom hanks's rowdy older brother" [news] Rob says, "he and eugene levy were in it to fill out the supporting cast with solid comic actors" [news] Rob says, "also that great character actor whose name I am unfortunately forgetting" [news] Allen says, "I haven't seen it since it came out" [news] Rob says, "whom I first encountered in the mid-70s on the short-lived series about a cop and his android partner, Holmes&YoYo" [news] Rob says, "not john schuck, the other guy" [news] Rob says, "I saw Splash recently which is why it's on my mind" [news] Rob says, "it was one of those syncronicities that happens to me all the freaky time, where I decide I want to see something, get it on DVD, and then that same week it's on cable tv for the first time in an eon" [news] Rob says, "as if my wanting to see it had changed the vectors of reality" Rob says, "how is it going inky" [news] Rob says, "or, alternately, that I sensed that somehow it was about to hove into view, which subliminally put it into my mind" [news] Rob says, "I dunno how it works but it's no longer a rare occurrence" [news] Rob says, "more like 'oh here we go again, weird'" [drawing] K-Y says, "okay, trying something new" [drawing] Rob says, "what's that" [drawing] K-Y says, "looks oddly like charcoal + pencil" [drawing] K-Y says, "the fact that I used the charcoal and pencil brushes may be tangentially related to this effect" [drawing] Rob asks, "so like a pencil line with a scrubby darker charcoal outline spread around it?" [drawing] K-Y says, "(back with the old CS5 brushes, though)" [drawing] K-Y says, "yeah" [drawing] Rob says, "I haven't been drawing lately" [drawing] Rob says, "which is weird" [drawing] K-Y says, "I saw this in the throes of insomnia last night and had to get up and try to capture it" [drawing] Rob says, "it's a whole #robmumble topic that I haven't felt like broaching even though it's been preeminent for weeks now" [drawing] K-Y says, "so far it's not ideal yet" [drawing] Rob says, "mm, insomnia throe imagery" [drawing] K-Y says, "charcoal is useful, even if fake" [drawing] K-Y says, "today I'm seeing defined tones from last night's confusion" [drawing] Olly exclaims, "!" inky says, "I am switching jobs and doing the frantic "finish up everything left unfinished" thing this week" inky says, "but that means this weekend will be swell" [drawing] K-Y says, "and now I'm going 'man, that provides serious definition'" [drawing] Olly smells a found poem. Roger says, "Wow" Roger says, "You've got a lot going on these days" [ollyprattle] Olly says, "There should be poem pigs for finding poems." [news] Allen says, "also, crappy audio, but it has the swedish and translation. And some nice rolled r's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufnnr_q1yfE " [ollyprattle] Olly says, "Like the ones that find truffles." [news] Allen | They drank for days, they drank for two, / But the bride wouldn't to the chamber go [news] Allen | They drank for two / But the bride wouldn't to the chamber go [news] Allen | They drank for days, they drank for three / But the bridal bed she refused for to see [news] Allen | They drank for three / But the bridal bed she refused for to see [news] Allen says, "I have a 1962 field recording of an elderly Swedish woman singing this, also" [way-secret] Rob says, "huh, I was just going to ask you, 'hey where are you working now, in case I missed a step'" [way-secret] Rob says, "so where are you about to be working now" [way-secret] inky says, "zulily.com" [way-secret] inky says, "which is a daily deals site focused on maternity and baby stuff" [way-secret] Rob says, "did you know that your new place has a weird silly name" [way-secret] Rob says, "ha ha man" [way-secret] Rob says, "wait so what are you bringing to their equation" [way-secret] inky says, "like, one of those things where you sign up and every day they send you an email saying "for the next 72 hours, crocs are on sale!"" [way-secret] Rob says, "ha ha" [way-secret] inky says, "so the interesting thing from my perspective is they have a real physical warehouse that stuff gets shipped to and has to be stored someplace and then shipped out" [way-secret] Rob says, "can you look at yourself in the mirror as you shave each morning and think aw yeah gonna make that croc sale happen" [way-secret] inky says, "s there is all this potential work in designing a system to figure out the optimal way to store stuff" [way-secret] inky says, "hee hee" inky goes southwest to play with toys. [way-secret] Rob says, "ok that sounds potentially like a good challenge" [way-secret] Rob says, "what's your job title going to be" [way-secret] Rob says, "are you still writing code or just managing other dudes" [way-secret] inky says, "I'm not sure exactly why they want me -- well, ok, actually I know it's because my ex-boss just got hired" [way-secret] Rob says, "aha" [way-secret] inky says, "and he said "hey come over here"" [way-secret] Rob says, "well that kind of ex-boss thing is something you've leveraged well thro the years" [way-secret] inky says, "senior software engineer, which is pretty standard" [way-secret] inky says, "yeah, all my jobs come from recommendations these days" [way-secret] inky says, "this time I applied to one place I had no connections and never heard back on my application" [way-secret] Rob says, "daily deals for moms, babies, and kids" [way-secret] Rob says, "well I know a lot of young parents these days" [way-secret] Rob asks, "was your former most recent current job getting stale?" [way-secret] inky says, "yeah" [way-secret] Rob says, "ok I'm glad the no connections no callback thing isn't just me" [way-secret] inky says, "I had this big project get canned in november-ish" [way-secret] Rob says, "blah" [way-secret] inky says, "and it kind of took the steam out" [way-secret] inky says, "then they transferred me onto something kind of lame" [way-secret] Rob says, "and you took to stroking your chin thoughtfully about the future" [way-secret] inky says, "I have been hoping they would turn the company around to awesomeland but I kind of gave up after five months" [way-secret] Rob says, "babies, babies are the future" [way-secret] Rob says, "babies in rocket pants, expertly delivered from warehouse" [way-secret] inky says, "hee hee" [ollyprattle] Olly says, "All the poems in the world, best beloved, come from the Forest of Thought. The Thought Men of the forest spend each day following behind their poem pigs and digging for turns of phrase among the roots of the trees." [way-secret] Rob says, "five months is kind of a while in this whirlwind" [ollyprattle] Rob says, "that's my life" [ollyprattle] Rob says, "until I hit this midlife crisis" [way-secret] inky asks, "hmm, are you having a midlife crisis now?" [way-secret] Rob says, "well, glad you found another bus to hop onto" [way-secret] Rob says, "yeah" [way-secret] Rob says, "I just... stopped... doing anything" [way-secret] inky says, "Adam stopped by the other day to see if I knew how you were doing" [way-secret] inky says, "because he was a little worried about you" [way-secret] Rob says, "I've been talking with Adam on the side lately" [way-secret] Rob says, "he was? hm, ok, good intel" [way-secret] Rob says, "I might have sounded weird to him because I feel weird" [way-secret] inky says, "I dunno, I hope that isn't giving away a confidence" [way-secret] Rob says, "didn't know how I sounded though" [way-secret] Rob says, "I've been keeping a lid on it" [way-secret] Rob says, "no, that's fine" [way-secret] inky says, "and I said "hmm I haven't talked to Rob in a while"" [way-secret] Rob says, "it'll help me talk to him in the future" [way-secret] Rob says, "I told him I was trying to figure out what happens to all my stuff if I suddenly died" [way-secret] Rob says, "which might make someone alarmed" [way-secret] Rob says, "or might make someone else go enh whatever" [way-secret] Rob says, "so I'm glad to know Adam was in the hmm I'm worried department" [way-secret] inky says, "gosh" [way-secret] Rob says, "I haven't earned a living since clinton was president" [ollyprattle] Roger says, "As dramatized in Lost Pig" [way-secret] Rob says, "I've just labored every day to put new things on blank pieces of paper thinking that alone was a worthwhile deal and the money would eventually come for it" [way-secret] inky says, "hmm" [way-secret] Rob says, "but then I realized I was 41 and nothing had happened even though I have this vaultlike mountain or mountainlike vault" [way-secret] inky asks, "of creative stuff?" [way-secret] Rob asks, "and then I did think, ok, what happens if I get hit by a car crossing the street?" [way-secret] Rob says, "yeah" [way-secret] Rob says, "I mean, if I were famous for any reason at all, it'd be worth 1.28 billion dollars" [way-secret] Rob says, "but right now its market value is 50 cents" [way-secret] inky says, "the Wheeler library notes" [way-secret] Rob says, "and I wake up every day believing both to be true" [way-secret] Rob says, "but I sort of hit a wall where I couldn't do it any more" [way-secret] Rob says, "working for nothing" [way-secret] Rob says, "so I put my pen down and my books away and turned my computer off and haven't done anything productively creative in a month or so" [way-secret] Rob says, "this is why I have so much time to watch television" [way-secret] inky says, "heh" [way-secret] Rob says, "because there's nothing else to do" [way-secret] inky says, "I was going to ask if you have been doing anything else in the meantime" [way-secret] inky says, "hmm" [way-secret] Rob says, "but the weirder thing is that I'm not even having ideas come into my head that I'm not acting on, it's like the wellspring tap shut off" [way-secret] Rob says, "for the past 20 years I've never gone a day without doing something" [way-secret] Rob says, "I didn't know how to do not do things" [way-secret] inky says, "wow" [way-secret] inky says, "do you -- hmm" [way-secret] Rob says, "so here I am at last not doing anything and I'm observing how this feels" [way-secret] Rob says, "but my moods are going up and down week to week" [way-secret] Rob says, "it's quite a crisis but my parents don't even know it's occurring" [way-secret] Rob says, "which is weird since they're my roommates" [way-secret] Rob says, "and my parents" [way-secret] inky says, "yeah" [way-secret] Rob says, "my mom griped at me for walking around sullenly not saying hello" [way-secret] inky says, "sometimes these sea changes are pretty invisible to the outside world until they suddenly explode" [way-secret] Rob says, "it is possible that I am just finally taking a deserved break and if I let that play out I will rejuvenate" [way-secret] inky says, "hmm" [way-secret] Rob says, "the first week it was going on I was all huffy and thinking, 'that's it! I'm retired. everyone can pretend I was like tragic-artist-X who died one day in the middle of his last unfinished score'" [way-secret] inky says, "I assume you are not thinking that you want to get a desk job" [way-secret] Rob says, "which I kind of did, it's weird to see my last notebook blank out and my wall calendar, where I keep track of every project I'm working on, go blank as well" [way-secret] Rob says, "I unfortunately have this diva-like personality" [way-secret] Rob says, "that comes from thinking I've secretly created a gigantic fortune in arts and letters that I have in a vault" Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away. [way-secret] Rob says, "the cafe recently put up a want-ad saying they need a late-night dishwasher, and I actually paused to ponder this option, is one of the limits of where I've gone to in my head lately" [way-secret] inky says, "hmm yeah" [way-secret] Rob says, "except it said you had to have a food handler certification license and I knew I wasn't going to bother doing that" [way-secret] Rob says, "though then you have the crash of, 'my god, I can't even get a dishwashing job'" [way-secret] Rob says, "I've talked around this issue with a couple of people" [way-secret] Rob says, "I told one guy, 'I'm tired of beating myself to death working on things that 12 people think is great and 899 million never even hear of' and another guy 'it's not about capitalism any more, it's just that I've never gotten any validation from the world that I'm any good, in fact the opposite'" [way-secret] Rob says, "so I just mainly feel like I can't do it any more" [ollyprattle] Olly says, "In the Forest of Decision grow conifers and pro'ifers." [way-secret] Rob says, "or the insanity of expecting a different result after 20 years of the same thing" [way-secret] inky says, "hmm interesting" [way-secret] inky says, "I always think of you as a really accomplished guy" [way-secret] inky says, "with the movie and the writing and the drawing and the IF and stuff" [way-secret] inky says, "but I guess I am one of the elite twelve" [way-secret] Rob says, "and the vague fear that I could die and my parents would box everything up and it'd all seem even more senseless" [way-secret] Rob says, "yeah" [way-secret] Rob says, "I mean, I've survived on having people whose opinions I respect telling me how good I'm doing and sometimes marveling at all the different things I know how to do" [way-secret] Rob says, "but as far as the actual world, which is where we are, it's been a big nothing" [way-secret] Rob says, "the whole thing you've got going where one thing has led to the next, and people you've worked with giving you a hike up to the next thing, has just never happened for me" [way-secret] Rob says, "even as a freelance artist, you're supposed to do a good job for someone and they help recommend you to other people they know, and you build a reputation and a career, but everything's been a 'thanks, bye' one-shot" [way-secret] Rob says, "for tweeentttyyyy yeeeaaaaarss" [way-secret] inky says, "yeah" [news] BrenBarn says, "here's good swedish lyrics http://getalbums.ru/metal/folk_metal/73534-elvarhoi-fjellet-faller-aldri-ep-2007.html " [way-secret] Rob says, "the most recognition I ever got was for doing IF, but I didn't even make the top tier of that as far as recognition is concerned" [way-secret] Rob says, "not that it would have been easy, but I don't think the latest generation of players has any idea I ever wrote anything" [way-secret] inky says, "yeah" [way-secret] inky says, "my observation is basically you have to keep working on stuff or people forget about you" [way-secret] inky says, "and it's impossible to keep working on stuff in all fields" [way-secret] Rob says, "yeah exactly" [way-secret] Rob says, "so I dunno, I'm having a lost weekend" Quotations: Gunther (quoted by two-star, 25-Apr-12): [news] Gunther says, "I want EVERYONE dead in this godbeshitten fuckcountry" Gunther (quoted by inky, 25-Apr-12): Gunther asks, "if you jack in the box, isn't that just normal sex?" Roger goes home. Roger has disconnected. On average, every human has one breast and one testicle. Limax comes in, looking for sneaky salt shakers. Rob says, "hey limax" Limax says, "Hey" Rob says, "I'm heading out" Rob heads right on out. Find release from your cares. have a good time. Seeya later.