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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> that's me, mr busytown
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List
Players: Alex, Jon, markm, Bishop, jpt, Ryan, Doug, schep, GDorn, Allen, Touchy, marc, DorianX, McMartin, Richie, Jearl, Psmith, Dave, Grocible, Jacqueline, maga, vimes, annabianca, Jizaboz, Whizzard, genericgeekgirl, inky, olethros, Tale, Nitku, ghira, Emily, Gunther, lpsmith, Hugo, Fang, borowski, Jota, djfletch, Marktwo
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 830 of 2250 lines from recent channels:
[lounge]/06:26 Lionheart can see a dream in your dance. Lionheart can see tomorrow in your dance. We can call it, "our hope"!
[lounge]|06:28 Iain hasn't been here since April, I'm starting to get worried.
[lounge]|06:28 Iain says, "Re"
[lounge]|06:28 Iain says, "Back at work, finally."
[lounge]|06:28 Iain says, "Also briefly."
[lounge]|06:38 marc asks, "haggised out?"
[lounge]|06:39 Mary arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes her cough.
[lounge]|06:39 Mary says, "Hello, MUDfolk."
[lounge]|06:39 Iain says, "You know, I didn't have any haggis at all."
[lounge]|06:39 Guenni says, "Hi Mary"
[lounge]|06:39 Iain says, "Speaking of no haggis, it's Mary"
[lounge]|06:39 Gunther says (to Iain), "good times, good times"
[lounge]|06:39 Mary has no haggis.
[lounge]|06:40 marc says, "ha"
[lounge]|06:44 Grocible says, "I knew a woman whose name was Mary Haggis"
[lounge]|06:44 Grocible says, "I thought it was kind of an unfortunate name"
[lounge]|06:44 Iain says, "I guess it would sound like Merry Haggis or Marry Haggis in certain accents."
[lounge]|06:44 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|06:44 * Tale has disconnected.
[lounge]|06:44 Gunther says, "Mary Haggis, Queen of Scots"
[lounge]|06:45 Grocible says, "she was Canadian, so neither one worked"
[lounge]|06:45 Iain asks, "Hmm, is that a Canadian name, then?"
[lounge]|06:45 Iain says, "I base this purely on your story and also Paul Haggis."
[lounge]|06:45 marc asks, "what, 'Queen of Scots'?"
[facebook]|06:45 marc says, "pretty sure that's french"
[lounge]|06:45 Iain says, "I don't know if he's Canadian but he wrote Due South, so."
[lounge]|06:45 marc says, "pretty sure that's french"
[facebook]|06:45 marc says, "ilal"
[lounge]|06:46 Grocible says, "there isn't any such thing as a Canadian name per se"
[lounge]|06:46 Iain says, "Heh."
[lounge]|06:46 Grocible says, "unless you count local native Canadian names"
[lounge]|06:46 marc says, "Msr. Poutine de Quebec  strikes me as quite canadian"
[lounge]|06:46 Iain says, "I don't think Haggis is a typical Scottish name, but I could imagine ex-pat Scots in Canada adopting it."
[lounge]|06:46 Iain says, "Of which there are probably more than actual Scots."
[lounge]|06:47 Grocible says, "there's none more Scot / than the Scot abroad"
[lounge]|06:47 Iain says, "Aye"
[lounge]|06:47 Iain says, "Them frenchy neebors don't seem tae realise we're scottish. Let's change wur name from Smith to McSporran!"
[lounge]|06:48 Mary says, "Apparently Bronwyn is a somewhat common name in Canada.  I have never encountered it here."
[lounge]|06:48 Grocible says, "Celtic names have been popular in Canada for a while, yeah"
[lounge]|06:49 Grocible says, "like you meant Siobhans and Aislynns and Seans"
[lounge]|06:49 Grocible says, "meant = meet"
[lounge]|06:50 Iain says, "All those names seem basically designed to be mispronounced."
[lounge]|06:50 Grocible says, "Yeah"
[lounge]|06:50 Iain says, "You might as well be called Leicester or Dordogne."
[lounge]|06:50 Mary says, "There is a Celtic name trend in the US as well, but Bronwyn doesn't seem to be included."
[lounge]|06:50 Mary shrugs.
[names]|06:51 Iain says, "Actually Leicester would be an awesome name."
[lounge]|06:52 Grocible says, "Leicester Dordogne Merrick frowned thoughtfully."
[lounge]|06:56 Grocible says, "then there are names like the Swedish version of Kerstin"
[gender]|07:11 Mary says, "My mother doesn't want me to hate my breasts because she's afraid it will give my breast cancer."
[gender]|07:11 DavidW asks, "so, would that be like, unsympathetic magic?"
[gender]|07:11 Mary says, "I suppose."
[gender]|07:12 DavidW says, "I doubt disliking one's breasts causes cancer, but I think, in general, one ought to like one's body parts."
[gender]|07:12 Mary says, "I think it is a somewhat superstitious idea, though I do acknowledge that the connection between mind and body is powerful."
[gender]|07:13 Mary says, "Yes, one ought."
[gender]|07:15 DavidW says, "I'm reminded of a old conversation I once had with a female co-worker about women going topless, and her argument was something like 'children shouldn't have to see such shit', and I hardly knew what to say. Like, I wanted to say breasts aren't shit and should never be compared to shit, but she was already pretty angry, so I just dropped the subject."
[gender]|07:15 Mary says, "I've never really settled in to hating them because of being taught growing up that one should love one's body."
[gender]|07:16 Mary says, "Children see breasts when they nurse."
[gender]|07:17 DavidW says, "Different context I suppose, but yeah."
[gender]|07:19 DavidW says, "Wonder if there could be a 'It Gets Better' type project for girls and women."
[gender]|07:19 marc says, "well, taboo is taboo"
[gender]|07:21 Mary says (to DavidW), "Well, I think that for a lot of people it doesn't."
[gender]|07:22 DavidW says, "It would have to be a different message, like 'It's OK to Be You'."
[gender]|07:22 Mary says, "I think that kind of stuff already exists."
[gender]|07:24 Mary says, "I don't hate my breasts specifically.  I just hate having to have breasts."
[gender]|07:26 DavidW says, "I imagine bras are no fun whatsoever."
[gender]|07:27 Mary says, "They're not so bad.  Some are uncomfortable, but lots aren't."
[gender]|07:28 DavidW says, "My friend Linda once wrote a five-women play that contained a skit about bra shopping; I think the skit was called 'Lacy, Shiny, and Ugly'."
[gender]|07:28 Mary says, "Bra shopping is unpleasant."
[gender]|07:29 Mary says, "Bras also tend to be very expensive."
[gender]|07:30 DavidW says, "oh, the text of the skit is online: http://www.bigblackpig.com/lccarson/lacy.html "
[wtf]|07:32 olethros | Gunman in Norway Claims Self-Defense as Trial Begins
[wtf]|07:32 olethros says, "it's STAND YOUR GROUND"
[gender]|07:33 DavidW says, "fwiw, Linda is rather full-figured herself."
[gender]|07:35 DavidW says, "I hadn't actually noticed until it was rather hammered home in a parlour game where I had to guess a person based on clues, and I was supposed to guess Linda, but just wasn't getting it."
[gender]|07:35 olethros says, "yeah, breasts must be annoying to have"
[gender]|07:38 Mary says, "Good for feeding babies, though."
[gender]|07:43 olethros says, "and fondling, but so are balls, and those are annoying too"
[gender]|07:44 olethros says, "I guess it is all context-dependent"
[gender]|07:49 DavidW says, "At least we don't have to worry about wings or fins."
[gender]|07:49 DavidW says, "Or antlers. Gah."
[gender]|07:49 Mary says, "Yes, speaking of annoying."
[gender]|07:51 olethros says, "ha, antlers"
[OpenOffice]|07:53 olethros says, "hm"
[OpenOffice]|07:53 olethros asks, "where is the x64 version?"
[OpenOffice]|07:55 olethros goes back to LibreFuckingOffice
[lounge]|07:56 Mary takes a plastic hamster ball from her pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[research]|08:00 Fang says, "hah http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.0162v1.pdf "
[lounge]|08:00 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|08:00 ghira says, "meep"
[research]|08:04 olethros says, "ha ha, but cars are not points"
[lounge]|08:06 zaphod goes home.
[lounge]|08:06 * zaphod has disconnected.
[lounge]|08:06 Grocible says, ""Take an online IQ test prepared by the inteligence society, Mensa.""
[lounge]|08:07 ghira says, "take an online test prepared by Mossad"
[lounge]|08:07 (From ghira) says, "wait, there's someone knocking at the door"
[lounge]|08:08 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
[lounge]|08:13 Fang says, "Q1: Are you a terrorist"
[lounge]|08:14 Fang asks, "Q2: Are you _sure_?"
[lounge]|08:14 ghira says, "has israel ever done anything even slightly dodgy, in your opinion?[6~[5~"
[lounge]|08:15 ghira asks, "is it ok if we steamroller these kittens while asking you the next few questions?"
[lounge]|08:15 Fang says, "Q3. Apply electrical shock to extremities, go to Q1"
[research]|08:23 Bishop asks, "I just got an email from a distant correspondent with regard to a couple of minor errors in a paper I sent to a journal recently (and had an acknowledgment-of-receipt a week ago). Should I revise and resubmit, or wait until the end of the refereeing process?"
[research]|08:23 Bishop says, "(incidentally, it is not impossible that this colleague is contacting me because he _is_ in fact the referee, although doing so is a bit transgressive)"
[research]|08:24 ghira asks, "how does he know it exists?"
[research]|08:24 ghira says, "seems to me like you wait until the end of the reviewing process"
[research]|08:24 ghira says, "but I am guessing"
[research]|08:24 Bishop says (to ghira), "That's a wvery interesting question! Which is why I suspect he's the referee."
[research]|08:24 ghira says, "other reviewers don't want more different versions than they have to put up with"
[candy]|08:28 genericgeekgirl | "The vigilance of our CBP officers at the mail facilities has prevented these potentially dangerous toys from ending up in children's Easter baskets," crowed Leon Hayward, CBP acting director of field operations, at the time. "We will continue to keep our guard up to stop harmful products from entering the United States."
[candy]|08:28 genericgeekgirl says, "(kinder surprise eggs)"
[candy]|08:32 Fang asks, "?"
[candy]|08:34 ghira says, "kinder eggs are illegal in the US"
[candy]|08:35 ghira says, "various articles about them on CBP web site and any number of things on web about silliness o fthis"
[candy]|08:36 ghira says, "there is some law from the 30s or so making it illegal to have non-edible items contained entirely within edible items. so sticks in ice lollies are ok"
[candy]|08:36 ghira says, "but toys inside easter eggsa re not"
[research]|08:36 olethros says, "note down the revisions and sent him a thank you email"
[candy]|08:36 ghira says, "though it's hard to imagine anyone managing to e.g. swallow the yellow capsule in a kinder egg whole"
[research]|08:36 olethros says, "(or her)"
[candy]|08:37 olethros says, "I dunno"
[candy]|08:37 Fang asks, "has there been no move to change this law?"
[candy]|08:37 genericgeekgirl says, "Yeah. And he's just so damned *proud* of himself. "We're confiscating your candy and telling you we're saving your life.""
[candy]|08:37 olethros says, "I guess a kinder egg is already big enough that you can't really swallow it"
[candy]|08:37 olethros asks, "CBP officers?"
[candy]|08:38 olethros says, "the US has far too many 'officers'"
[candy]|08:38 ghira says, "customs and border protection"
[candy]|08:38 genericgeekgirl says, " http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,827741,00.html According to this article, it sounds like someone is petitioning to change it, but I feel like that's been happening for ages."
[candy]|08:39 olethros asks, "the TSA has a _fitness test_?"
[candy]|08:39 olethros | Reading
[candy]|08:39 ghira says, "cbp site had several articles going back a few years each easter reminding citizens how it was protecting them from kinder eggs"
[candy]|08:39 olethros says, "is one of their 'thinking skills'"
[candy]|08:40 Fang says, "good to know these guys know how to read."
[candy]|08:40 olethros says, " http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/soar/cbpo_self_assessment_tool.pdf "
[candy]|08:40 olethros says, "I guess the correct some of these"
[candy]|08:40 olethros says, "+answer to is NO"
[candy]|08:40 genericgeekgirl | adventuresome, exciting and rewarding
[candy]|08:40 olethros asks, "lifelong friendships with an elite group?!??"
[candy]|08:41 Fang | 4. Learning about and living in new and different cultures?
[candy]|08:41 Fang says, "haha"
[candy]|08:41 olethros says, "!!"
[candy]|08:41 olethros says, "I guess that is also NO"
[candy]|08:41 olethros says, "Working Outdooer? NO"
[candy]|08:41 ghira says (to olethros), "maybe the elite group is mossad"
[lounge]|08:41 Jizaboz slithers into the lounge.
[candy]|08:41 Fang says, "well, s/living in/probing them in the butt"
[candy]|08:41 olethros asks, "oh BTW if you are male but gay, do you get patdowns by males or females?"
[candy]|08:41 olethros says, "or maybe gay females"
[candy]|08:42 olethros says, "and what if you are bisexual"
[candy]|08:42 olethros says, "hm, you must be able and willing to use deadly force... to ... eat another doughnut"
[candy]|08:43 Fang says, "well sometimes you have to execute a laptop or a dangerous water bottle"
[candy]|08:43 olethros says, "hmmmm it says ehre there are 58k employees."
[lounge]|08:43 marc says, "j-bo-z"
[candy]|08:44 olethros says, "that is not as many as I expected. The airports seemed to have dozens of them crawling around in constricted spaces, climbing, or running"
[candy]|08:44 olethros thinks.
[candy]|08:44 ghira says, "well as an elite group they have powers of bilocation and remote viewing"
[candy]|08:45 olethros asks, "what do they mean by 'climbing'? Climbing up stairs?"
[candy]|08:46 Fang says, "when they say the terror threat level is elevated, they really mean it"
[candy]|08:46 olethros says, "ha ha"
[news]|08:58 Fang says, "#eyeroooollll"
[news]|08:58 Fang | Anders Behring Breivik cries at own propaganda film
[news]|08:59 ghira asks, "has anyone seem him and ken livingstone in the same room?"
[lounge]|09:01 Whizzard became so excited, he even started a MUDding cheer -- "M-U, M-U-D-d, M-U-D-d-i-n-g, MUDding, MUDding!"
[news]|09:01 Fang says, "someone nominate him for a razzie please"
[lounge]|09:02 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|09:02 * Marktwo has connected.
[lounge]|09:04 genericgeekgirl wanders off for a bit.
[lounge]|09:05 genericgeekgirl arrives unclothed and innocent, perfect in the still morning light.
[lounge]|09:05 genericgeekgirl rewaves.
[lounge]|09:07 Whizzard says, "heyo 3G."
[lounge]|09:16 Jizaboz says, "(belated) Good morning marc"
[lounge]|09:30 RootShell enters the lounge. How unseemly!
[lounge]|09:30 RootShell says, "Hello all"
[lounge]|09:33 RootShell http://www.ifreviews.org
[lounge]|09:33 Oren holekh ha'bayta.
[lounge]|09:33 * Oren has disconnected.
[lounge]|09:33 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Rootshell"
[greece]|09:38 olethros says, "half as many people drove out of athens this year for easter than they did last year"
[lounge]|09:47 Ellison walks in. You can smell the goats.
[lounge]|09:48 Ellison says, "hey all"
[lounge]|09:48 Guenni says, "Hellison"
[lounge]|09:50 Ellison asks, "hey Guenni. play any more games recently?"
[lounge]|09:52 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|09:52 * Marktwo has connected.
[lounge]|09:55 Guenni says (to >Ellison), "Although I'v to admit I'm indirectly cheating with the floyd transcript...So far, it's okay."
[lounge]|09:56 Ellison says, "I have used Floyd transcripts the same way, definitely."
[lounge]|09:57 marc says, "hey ellison"
[lounge]|09:58 Ellison says, "hey marc"
[greece]|09:59 ghira asks, "the other half went on goat-drawn carts this year?"
[greece]|09:59 olethros says, "they stayed in athens I suppose"
[greece]|10:00 Grocible says, "they partied like a house on fire"
[greece]|10:00 Grocible says, "Sorry for the lame and inappropriate joke."
[greece]|10:03 Grocible says, "I have to say the ongoing nuttiness in Greece seems really wacky from the outside"
[greece]|10:03 ghira says, "the elections will make everything better"
[greece]|10:04 ghira says, "wise and balanced individuals will take power after them"
[greece]|10:04 Grocible says, "it's like this drunken relative staggering around the party, having driven the family into debt through drunken binges, blaming everybody else for his problems"
[lounge]|10:05 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[lounge]|10:07 Ellison says, "hey two-star"
[greece]|10:08 olethros says, "OK."
[greece]|10:08 olethros asks, "who what?"
[greece]|10:08 olethros says, "I have no idea who is who in this simile"
[lounge]|10:09 two-star says, "Hi."
[greece]|10:10 Grocible asks, "it's not stunningly obvious?"
[greece]|10:11 olethros says, "no. The relativ could be the ECB, the platonic ideal of greece, greek politicians, Merkel, Goldman Sachs, or whoever"
[greece]|10:11 olethros says, "anyway, you know that probably there is no lower frequency"
[greece]|10:11 olethros says, "lac"
[lounge]|10:11 Ellison says, "got to go. later!"
[lounge]|10:11 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|10:11 * Ellison has disconnected.
[greece]|10:11 Grocible says, "er"
[greece]|10:11 Grocible says, "no"
[greece]|10:12 Grocible says, "Greece is the corrupt screwed-up country whose government has lied for years to the outside world about its finances, borrowed beyond its means, is now messing up the global economy, and blaming everybody else"
[greece]|10:12 ghira says, "greece messing up the global economy seems a bit much"
[greece]|10:12 Grocible says, "well it is"
[greece]|10:13 olethros says, "borrwing beyond means doesn't mean much either"
[greece]|10:13 Grocible says, "though the way the Eurozone was structured wasn't brilliant, as it was too vulnerable to that sort of thing"
[greece]|10:13 olethros says, "until 2008 borrowing was cheap enough that it did not pose any significant problems"
[greece]|10:15 olethros says, "and if someone is messing up the global economy, it's the ECB"
[greece]|10:15 Grocible says, "I'm not saying that the massive corruption and greed of eg: the US big banks isn't a factor. But the refusal of Greece to acknowledge any responsibility in the current mess seems to me totally symptomatic of its fundamental problems"
[greece]|10:15 olethros asks, "what gave you the impression that there is such a refusal?"
[greece]|10:16 olethros says, "The ex-PM, Papandreou saw the crisis as a great opportunity for reform in Greece."
[greece]|10:17 olethros says, "he was the one that announced 'hey, the previous governments had been cooking the books'"
[greece]|10:18 olethros says, "and spain, while being a paragon of economic prudence before the crisis, has now succumbed to it as well."
[greece]|10:19 olethros says, "in conclusion, antropomorphising countries is not productive"
[greece]|10:19 Grocible says, "perhaps not, though it's convenient"
[lounge]|10:20 Dave says, "morning"
[greece]|10:21 olethros says, "anyway, if you want, I can summarise the situation to the best of my understanding"
[greece]|10:26 Grocible says, "it'd be interesting to hear your take"
[lounge]|10:26 marc says, "morning dave"
[greece]|10:27 olethros says, "1) Why the crisis exists at all. This is a combination of three things: a) bad governance and widespread corruption, b) the EU monetary union, c) the 2008 banking crisis"
[greece]|10:29 olethros says, "2) Why the greek population is angry. a) vested interests resist reforms b) ordinary people are pushed below the poverty line due to the austerity measures"
[greece]|10:30 olethros says, "I guess that is all there is to know"
[greece]|10:31 olethros says, "regarding corruption: people still bribe doctors in hospitals at the same rate as they used to. But the bribes involve lower amounts"
[greece]|10:32 olethros says, "people are in general also angry due to various provocative facts or rumours"
[diocese]|10:32 Bishop is external-reviewer-filing madly.
[greece]|10:33 olethros says, "2a) is has two faces: the vested interests are angry, but also the remaining population is angry at how the vested interests resist"
[lounge]|10:35 Tale's irst civilian job after World War I was at the Oxford English Dictionary, where he worked mainly on the history and etymology of words of Germanic origin beginning with the letter W.
[lounge]|10:44 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|10:44 Ellison says, "re"
[facebook]|10:45 Ellison asks, "who's Paul Krueger? anyone know?"
[ganja]|10:47 Allen | New Marijuana Strain Eases Pain Without the High
[facebook]|10:48 Tale says, "I don't know any people who would want to be friends with you"
[facebook]|10:48 Ellison asks, "I mean, I assume it's WeirdBeard, based on location, but he calls himself Roger on here?"
[sex]|10:50 Allen | If you are a child of the seventies and were raised on "The Joy of Sex," you are not likely to have forgotten the illustrations. The woman depicted in these drawings is lovely, and, even nearly forty years later, quite chic.
[sex]|10:50 Allen | Her gentleman friend, however, looks like a werewolf with a hangover. He is heavily bearded; his hair is long, and, it always seemed, a little greasy. His eyelids are usually at half-mast, adding to his feral appearance. In some of the pictures, you can practically smell him. (The smell is unpleasant.)
[sex]|10:50 Allen | In "The Joy of Sex," a male is a man, a female is a girl, and a vagina is, to "males generally, slightly scarey: it looks like a castrating wound and bleeds regularly, it swallows the penis and regurgitates it limp, it can probably bite and so on."
[facebook]|10:54 Ellison asks (of Tale), "I know, right?"
[sex]|10:55 Allen says, "there's a new edition"
[sex]|10:55 Allen | Gone are some of the most outrageous Comfortisms, such as "Don't get yourself raped," or his dubious assessment of the rhythm method--"It may well account for the slightly higher incidence of abnormal babies among Catholic users through stale eggs getting fertilized." Deodorant is no longer "banned absolutely," as it was by Comfort, and armpit shaving is not referred to as "ignorant vandalism." Finally, and crucially, rear-entry intercourse is no longer called sex "à la Négresse."
[lounge]|11:08 two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
[begood]|11:13 Johnny says, "I've got a Linux virtualbox and a Haiku virtualbox."
[kickstarter]|11:13 Nitku says, "I don't know what to think about this: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/starcommand/star-command-sci-fi-meets-gamedev-story-for-ios-an/posts/208395 "
[begood]|11:13 Johnny says, "An OS X virtualbox and I can see what Zoom's deal is."
[kickstarter]|11:15 Fang says, "star command is already a game"
[kickstarter]|11:16 Johnny (to Fang) | Update #19: What the hell did you do with our money?
[kickstarter]|11:17 Nitku says, "They say they're left with $4000, but they're counting off a lot of expenses that sound like what they said they would do with the money in the first place"
[kickstarter]|11:17 Fang says, "ah"
[kickstarter]|11:18 Fang says, "so they took the money and spent it on t shirts, attorneys and ipads"
[kickstarter]|11:18 Fang says, "loooool."
[kickstarter]|11:18 Nitku says, "The t-shirts were for a prize tier"
[kickstarter]|11:19 Fang says, "nevertheless"
[kickstarter]|11:19 Ellison says, "sounds like a decent cautionary tale, moreso than the 'oh, woe is us' angle (the lesson being, plan your prize tiers better, if you don't want it distracting/detracting from the goal at hand)"
[kickstarter]|11:20 Johnny says (to Ellison), "Fang thinks Kickstarter is Satan."
[kickstarter]|11:20 Nitku says, "but if they are raising money for making more music, and then say "after spending money on making music we're left with only $ X"..."
[kickstarter]|11:20 Johnny says, "When it's clearly a half-blood Zynga/Apple."
[kickstarter]|11:20 Johnny says, "+baby"
[kickstarter]|11:21 vimes says, "a Google Plus baby couldn't be half-blood Zynga and Apple!"
[kickstarter]|11:21 Johnny says, "Hopefully whoever approves partnerships at Apple hates Zynga."
[kickstarter]|11:21 Ellison says, "yeah, I dunno. I didn't click to see what the project was actually about."
[kickstarter]|11:21 Johnny says (to vimes), "Google Plus can't be evil! It's how Sargent updates me on his podcast!"
[kickstarter]|11:22 Johnny says (to Ellison), "sci-fi Ios game."
[kickstarter]|11:22 K-Y says, "generally accepted kickstarter accounting principles"
[kickstarter]|11:22 Johnny says, "Maybe. *goes read*"
[kickstarter]|11:23 Fang says, "I'm surprised that they reached their goal, given that none of the prize tiers actually include the game itself"
[kickstarter]|11:24 Fang says, "well, okay it's kickstarter, kickstarter derangement effect is in full swing, so I suppose there's no need to be surprised"
[jobs]|11:24 Jon says, "There is a coworker who catches the same shuttle I catch to work. He is, frankly, obsessed with queueing; wants us all to line up in the order we arrive at the stop and then board the bus in that order."
[jobs]|11:25 vimes asks, "is the bus frequently so full that people are turned off?"
[jobs]|11:25 Jon says, "Which is not itself a bad idea, I guess. But today, I was the first to arrive at the stop (15 minutes before the bus), and I spent the time reading on my iPad and ignoring everyone else. So when the bus arrives, I get on the bus. He then decides to lecture me on the line protocol."
[jobs]|11:25 Jon says (to vimes), "it is not."
[jobs]|11:25 vimes says, "in that case, i strongly recommend your coworker jump under said bus"
[kickstarter]|11:25 Fang waits for this to happen to, say, Wasteland 2
[jobs]|11:25 Jon says, "however there are a limited number of seats with tables for laptops."
[jobs]|11:26 vimes says, "OH THE HUMANITY"
[jobs]|11:26 K-Y says, "future world problems"
[lounge]|11:28 Personman goes home.
[jobs]|11:29 Tale says, ""You don't need a table for a IPad anyway, do you?""
[jobs]|11:30 Johnny says (to Tale), "You can buy a set of legs for it."
[jobs]|11:30 Johnny says, "Or gorillapods."
[jobs]|11:31 Johnny says, "Then you can wear it right on your wrist, as was always the intention."
[jobs]|11:33 vimes says, "they are really symbiotic parasites, it's true"
[kickstarter]|11:33 K-Y says, "I'm all for people doing this stuff more professionally"
[lounge]|11:34 inky is famous for something besides goat cheese.
[lounge]|11:34 inky says, "good morning"
[lounge]|11:34 Johnny says, "morning inky"
[kickstarter]|11:34 Ellison says, "to some extent, yeah, the problems they ran into are kind of obvious; they are things they should have looked into before deciding what they were going to offer. still, it's good to point it out just the same."
[kickstarter]|11:34 K-Y says, "but I'm not sure if you're hoping for some kind of perfect system here"
[lounge]|11:34 Ellison says, "hey inky"
[kickstarter]|11:35 K-Y says, "to rise out of Kickstarter's ashes"
[kickstarter]|11:36 Nitku says, "Often rewards do seem like they would cover just the prize and nothing more"
[tech]|11:37 DorianX says, "A Cray 1 and a C64 did about the same number of computations per kilowatt-hour"
[kickstarter]|11:42 Fang says, "assuming that people getting the $100 reward paid the minimum"
[kickstarter]|11:43 Fang says, "basically, their rewards were such that the higher people donated, the smaller their return"
[kickstarter]|11:45 Fang says, "I think there's a subsidiary problem here, which is that the people running the kickstarter prioritise honouring the rewards"
[wtf]|11:46 Jon | http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/07/31/carjacking-suspect-claims-actions-were-part-of-batman-filming/
[kickstarter]|11:46 Fang says, "when actually, even to the people who supported them, the rewards are mostly meaningless if the kickstarter hosts do not actually produce the product"
[kickstarter]|11:47 Jon says, "well, that depends on if the kickstarter is a project to produce those rewards"
[kickstarter]|11:47 Jon says, "as so many kickstarter projects are these days"
[kickstarter]|11:47 Fang says (to Jon), "yes"
[kickstarter]|11:47 Fang says, "no"
[kickstarter]|11:47 Jon asks, "well, which is it?"
[kickstarter]|11:47 inky says, "ha ha"
[kickstarter]|11:47 Fang asks, "... I mean, is that the case?"
[kickstarter]|11:47 inky says, "you need to donate $100 for the 'yes' level"
[kickstarter]|11:48 Jon says, "I dunno, it seems like at least a third of the projects I've seen are basically 'we want to make this. your reward is your preorder'"
[kickstarter]|11:48 Fang says, "it seems like the rewards at the higher tiers tend to be stuff like t-shirts and credits and characters in games"
[kickstarter]|11:48 K-Y says, "it seems it's also a matter of people not understanding how much shirts cost"
[kickstarter]|11:49 Jon says, "example: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android "
[kickstarter]|11:49 Johnny says, "It's $25 * number of shirts + $5000"
[kickstarter]|11:49 K-Y says, "conversely, nobody would make a low-tier reward that's 'we'll come to your house' because that's plainly cost-prohibitive"
[kickstarter]|11:49 inky asks (of Johnny), "is it really that much?"
[kickstarter]|11:49 Johnny says, "(The $5000 is my consulting fee.)"
[kickstarter]|11:49 inky says, "ha ha"
[kickstarter]|11:50 Fang says (to Jon), "well, that sort of kickstarter seems alright"
[kickstarter]|11:50 inky says, "I guess part of the issue is they pay all the shipping themselves"
[kickstarter]|11:50 Fang says, "I'm thinking more the high profile videogaming kickstarters"
[kickstarter]|11:50 Nitku says, "Plus there's shipping and the fact that Kickstarter takes their cut (10%?)"
[kickstarter]|11:50 Nitku says, "So I'm pretty sure many people miscalculate how much they're left with"
[kickstarter]|11:50 Johnny says, "It's like $5."
[kickstarter]|11:50 Johnny says, "Er, 5%"
[kickstarter]|11:51 Nitku says, "The FAQ says Kickstarter takes 5% and Amazon takes 3-5%"
[lounge]|11:51 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, rosy pink this time of day.
[kickstarter]|11:52 Johnny says, "Right but Kickstarter != Amazon"
[lounge]|11:52 Johnny says, "Hey zarf"
[kickstarter]|11:52 Nitku asks, "So what?"
[kickstarter]|11:52 zarf says, "10% ullage, anyhow"
[kickstarter]|11:52 inky says, "if you end up with 90% of what gets pledged, it seems quibbling to talk about who takes it"
[tangent]|11:53 Johnny says, "I wonder how long before Amazon starts an Amazon Studios-style scam for Kickstarters."
[tangent]|11:53 Jon says, "they seem to be pretty busy talking up the benefits of self-publishing for Kindle."
[kickstarter]|11:53 Fang says, "with this star command thing, you wonder how much these people might have donated at the higher tiers if they were offered no reward at all"
[kickstarter]|11:54 Fang asks, "because who really wants a shirt for a game that isn't made yet?"
[lounge]|11:54 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|11:54 * Tale has disconnected.
[tangent]|11:54 Johnny asks, "Exclusively?"
[tangent]|11:55 zarf says, "becoming a book-industry monopoly is a corporate goal for Amazon. Becoming a crowd-funding monopoly does not benefit them in the same way."
[tangent]|11:55 Jon says, "dunno, I've only seen their ads on the front page."
[tangent]|11:55 Jon says, "right now there's 'Boy Writes Book'"
[tangent]|11:56 Jon says, "there was a chick-lit one the other day too"
[tangent]|11:56 Johnny says, "'Man Writes Dog'"
[tangent]|11:57 Fang says, "maybe one of the big web companies will buy kickstarter"
[tangent]|11:57 Jon says, "who? nobody's trusted enough"
[tangent]|11:57 Fang asks, "really?"
[tangent]|11:57 zarf says, "sadly, that isn't an obstacl"
[tangent]|11:57 Jon says, "everyone thinks of Facebook as a necessary evil, and Google's getting there, except they're not as necessary."
[band-name]|11:58 inky says, "Unnecessary Evil"
[tangent]|11:58 Jon says, "Yahoo can't find their arse with step-by-step-arse-finding-directions"
[tangent]|11:58 Fang says, "if people make use of paypal and amazon and so on"
[band-name]|11:58 Johnny says, "Guy Smiley and the Newts"
[tangent]|11:58 Fang asks, "would they really care if they toom over kickstarter?"
[tangent]|11:58 Fang says, "*took"
[tangent]|11:59 Jon says, "people don't see amazon as evil"
[tangent]|11:59 Jon says, "the sort of folks who listen to cane-waving authors do"
[tangent]|11:59 Jon says, "but in general, no"
[tangent]|11:59 Jon says, "not like they see walmart as evil"
[tangent]|11:59 zarf says, "Kickstarter has momentum but there's no real network effect there, I think. People could switch to alternatives overnight (well, in one project generation cycle)"
[tangent]|11:59 Fang says, "then amazon is 'nobody'"
[tangent]|12:00 Jon says, "amazon could maybe do it, but like zarf said, they have no reason to do so"
[tangent]|12:00 Fang says (to zarf), "Kickstarter has brand power"
[tangent]|12:00 Jon says (to Fang), "MySpace did, too."
[lounge]|12:00 Matthew goes home.
[tangent]|12:00 zarf says, "brand power isn't the kind of lock-in acquisitions like."
[tangent]|12:01 vimes says, "still does!  mind you, now that brand is "cesspit of rotting out-of-date internet misculture""
[tangent]|12:01 Fang says, "anyway, there's power, there's control, there's 'hey you paid into this kickstarter, why not buy this related book as well?'"
[tangent]|12:01 vimes says, "people who funded this kickstarter project also bought gallons of ice cream, tissue paper, vodka"
[tangent]|12:02 zarf says, "that has some power, but I think it would just translate to degrading the brand very quickly"
[lounge]|12:03 ghira goes home.
[lounge]|12:03 * ghira has disconnected.
[mozilla]|12:04 vimes says, "hm, firefox has been at version 11 for quite a while now"
[mozilla]|12:04 inky says, "ha ha"
[mozilla]|12:05 vimes says, "wait, i made this joke in october about..."
[mozilla]|12:05 vimes says, "jeez, version 7.0.1"
[mozilla]|12:05 marc says, "oh dear"
[lounge]|12:06 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[mozilla]|12:18 Ryan says, "FF4 was released just over a year ago."
[mozilla]|12:20 marc says, "it seems most of the teething probs are over, at least for the small pool of extensions that i use"
[apple-sux]|12:21 GDorn | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1678.html
[apple-sux]|12:21 GDorn says, "man, the squee progression"
[apple-sux]|12:22 inky says, "I hope in this glorious future something can be done about their necks"
[tangent]|12:23 Ryan says, "If Amazon bought them, they could offer their distribution channels for both physical and digital goods to the project owners. That seems worthwhile."
[tangent]|12:24 Ryan says, "Plus offer incentives to make the project releases into Amazon-exclusive products."
[tangent]|12:24 Ryan says, "You can encourage ecosystem growth by really heavily promoting the "kick it forward" idea."
[tangent]|12:25 zarf says, "I predict that Amazon has no interest in this deal"
[lounge]|12:26 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|12:26 * Marktwo has connected.
[tangent]|12:26 zarf says, "I can imagine them creating a crowd-funding clone for books only. That would be a good deal for them"
[tangent]|12:27 Iain says, "Like http://unbound.co.uk/ "
[tangent]|12:28 zarf says, "or they could buy an existing one :)"
[tangent]|12:28 Ryan says, "Amazon has strong interests in andoid apps, music, video, and gadgets, as well as books."
[tangent]|12:28 Ryan says, "All of which are popular kickstarter project areas."
[tangent]|12:28 zarf says, "sure, but that's not a reason to croiwdfund those areas."
[tangent]|12:28 Johnny says, "Amazon Dance."
[tangent]|12:29 Iain says, "I don't know what you're arguing for or why, but I guess this is #tangent after all."
[tangent]|12:29 zarf says, "for books, they already have a self-publishing pipeline and some kind of POD deal, and they stand to benefit from devouring the book industry whole."
[ifdb]|12:29 Guenni asks, ""how do I remove games from my wish list?"
[tangent]|12:29 zarf says, "that"
[tangent]|12:29 zarf says, "that's why I mention the possibility."
[tangent]|12:29 Iain says, "(Er, sorry, you = Ryan)"
[ifdb]|12:29 Johnny says, "Close your eyes and unwish it."
[ifdb]|12:30 maga asks, "does unticking the box not work?"
[tangent]|12:30 Ryan says (to Iain), "I'm just saying, Amazon acquiring kickstarter doesn't sound far-fetched to me."
[tangent]|12:31 zarf says, "music *might* be another possibility for them, but only if there's such a thing as a music industry any more"
[ifdb]|12:31 Guenni asks, "Where do I look for said box? On the game page or on the wish list page?"
[ifdb]|12:31 Johnny says, "You go the game's page while logged in. Then there's a 'My rating' box in the sidebar."
[tangent]|12:32 Ryan says, "Amazon in general wants to control as much of the retail landscape as they can, and crowdfunding is a growing part of that now."
[tangent]|12:32 zarf says, "now, what I want to see is Netflix starting a "crowdfund my TV series" setup to destroy Comcast"
[videogames]|12:32 vimes says, "zelda poker cards: http://imgclean.com/?p=6413 "
[tangent]|12:32 Ryan says (to zarf), "I also want to see that."
[tangent]|12:32 vimes says, ""crowdfund the cancellation of this TV series""
[tangent]|12:32 Iain asks, "How big is the crowdfunding industry as a whole right now?"
[tangent]|12:33 Iain asks, "I'd guess Kickstarter is a pretty decent fraction of it, and they make -- millions a year? Tens of millions?"
[tangent]|12:33 Johnny says, "There have been a smackerel of $1 million+ projects."
[tangent]|12:33 Iain says, "But they only get 5% of those."
[tangent]|12:33 Johnny says, "(Assuming smackerel is the right word.)"
[tangent]|12:34 zarf says, "somebody go find data"
[tangent]|12:35 vimes says, "i'll start a kickstarter to find that data"
[tangent]|12:35 Iain says, "Heh"
[lounge]|12:36 Rob comes right on in.
[tangent]|12:36 Iain says, "I just ask because tens of millions is pretty small beans by Amazon standards. But it could certainly be a strategic thing if they see that market growing a lot (and why not)."
[lounge]|12:36 Rob says, "uh whurm"
[lounge]|12:36 inky says, "time to get down in busytown"
[tangent]|12:37 Iain says, "Any big tech company could buy them just to get the developers, but it seems like it'd be unpopular if they don't keep the actual site running smoothly."
[tangent]|12:37 Ryan says, "Yeah, I don't think they'd be interested in the percentage of the funds as much as the chance to turn successful projects into Amazon-exclusive products."
[lounge]|12:38 Iain says, "inky and the Rob"
[tangent]|12:39 Iain says, "I'm not sure what mechanism you have in mind for that happening."
[tangent]|12:39 Iain asks, "And whatever it is, why would Amazon need to own Kickstarter to make it happen?"
[lounge]|12:39 zarf walks off through the wall; pale violet light flares briefly around him.
[tangent]|12:39 Iain says, "They'd be better off with a self-publishing site or something, surely."
[tangent]|12:40 Iain says, "And Kickstarter users can use the Amazon publishing service."
[tangent]|12:43 Nitku says, "Since Kickstarter uses Amazon for credit card processing Amazon already gets a nice cut so it's pretty profitable even if they don't own it, but they might be interested in buying just to make sure anyone else doesn't buy it and stop using Amazon"
[tangent]|12:44 Ryan says, "They'd just be able to handle the parts that they already have down to a science (making products findable, payment processing, handling distribution and shipping), leaving the project owner to focus on just completing the project."
[tangent]|12:45 Iain says (to Nitku), "That's a good point."
[tangent]|12:46 Iain says (to Ryan), "I can't tell if you want this to happen or if you want it not to happen."
[urls]|12:47 GDorn | http://www.searchdiscovery.com/blog/search-discovery-is-going-green/
[tangent]|12:51 Ryan says (to Iain), "I'm not arguing for or against it, just that I could understand it if it were to happen."
[tangent]|12:59 Rob says, "where did this idea about amazon + kickstarter come from? (in this conversation/ at all)"
[lounge]|12:59 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[tangent]|13:00 Rob says, "oh, amazon for card processing"
[videogames]|13:00 Recchi says, "I loaded Grimrock this morning and I forgot about it. I think when I get home, Steam is going to think I played it for 12 hours or so."
[tangent]|13:02 Grocible asks, "other than indiegogo, is there anybody other than kickstarter, really?"
[tangent]|13:04 Rob says, "$3K for PAX"
[lounge]|13:04 Tale's irst civilian job after World War I was at the Oxford English Dictionary, where he worked mainly on the history and etymology of words of Germanic origin beginning with the letter W.
[tangent]|13:04 Rob says, "six thousand dollars for music? hmm"
[lounge]|13:04 Tale says, "re"
[tangent]|13:05 Johnny says, "Rockethub."
[tangent]|13:05 Johnny says, "Probably more."
[lounge]|13:05 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|13:05 * Ellison has disconnected.
[tangent]|13:05 Rob asks, "rockethub?"
[tangent]|13:05 Rob says, "rock-a-thub"
[tangent]|13:06 Johnny says, "I thought there was a charity/not-for-profit specific one."
[videogames]|13:06 Fang says (to Jon), "...."
[tangent]|13:06 Rob asks, "one what?"
[tangent]|13:07 Johnny says, "Crowdsourcing website."
[tangent]|13:07 Rob says, "oh that's what you were answering"
[tangent]|13:07 Johnny says, "Or crowdfunding whatever."
[health]|13:07 Tale says, "I burned my finger yesterday, and it doesn't hurt. The end."
[health]|13:07 Tale says, "Seems kinda odd, though."
[tangent]|13:07 Grocible says, "a lot of burning man projects have been using kickstarter"
[health]|13:08 Rob says, "you are now known as Dilbon II"
[health]|13:08 Tale asks, "That...that's not a good thing, is it?"
[tangent]|13:08 Grocible says, "to varying degrees of success"
[tangent]|13:09 Rob says, "it seems like the crowd who's been funding whatever on kickstarter is going to tap itself out like a fad"
[lounge]|13:09 Nitku leaves.
[tangent]|13:09 Rob says, "well, I funded x, y, and z, I'm done with this"
[health]|13:09 inky says, "quote dilbon"
[tangent]|13:09 Fang says (to Rob), "it came from me"
[tangent]|13:09 Fang says, "I suggested that kickstarter could soon be a target for acquisition by one of the big internet companies"
[tangent]|13:09 Rob says, "ah"
[tangent]|13:10 Fang says, "Amazon, Google, Ebay, etc etc"
[tangent]|13:10 Grocible says, "kickstarter seems to work for burning man projects that are either so stupendously awesome that people are going to want to fund it anyawy"
[tangent]|13:10 Rob says, "someone should kickstart a kickstart competitor"
[tangent]|13:10 Grocible says, "or for projects that people have a whole team of people building incentives"
[tangent]|13:11 Fang says (to Rob), "but see"
[tangent]|13:11 Fang says, "kickstarter has already become a verb"
[tangent]|13:11 Rob says, "not to me, I keep dropping the last syllable"
[tangent]|13:12 vimes says, "i keep dropping the second word"
[tangent]|13:12 Jon asks, "what happened to that kickstarter to buy kickstarter?"
[twitter]|13:12 Doug | We should note that this is not a formal request for Twitter to ban Ms. Love, but a casual one, and is likely not the first time this sentiment has been expressed by the daughter of a mother on Twitter. Then again, your mother is not Courtney Love, and she?s also not accusing Dave Grohl of hitting on you.
[tangent]|13:12 vimes says, "also the details of the idea in question"
[tangent]|13:12 vimes says, "so i just say "someone should kick that guy""
[twitter]|13:13 inky says, "the daughter of a mother"
[twitter]|13:13 Fang says, "it happens more often than you think"
[health]|13:14 Tale says, "He seems finnish allright"
[twitter]|13:14 Jizaboz says, "'Ms. Love' is a human disgrace"
[twitter]|13:15 Fang asks, "what is this actually about?"
[twitter]|13:15 Doug | http://www.observer.com/2012/04/francis-cobain-courtney-love-dave-grohl-04122012/
[tangent]|13:15 Grocible says, "scuse me while I kick this guy"
[twitter]|13:16 Doug | In a series of subsequent tweets, Love threatened Grohl and speculated on his "pathology," noting that Foo Fighters drummer Taylor Hawkins resembles Cobain and is in the "submissive drummer position" in the band
[lounge]|13:17 Grocible says, "so I found that the box containing the Taiwanese translation of my book also contained the mainland Chinese translation of my book"
[lounge]|13:17 Grocible says, "very groovy"
[twitter]|13:18 Jizaboz says, "She talks way too much for someone who had her husband murdered"
[lounge]|13:18 Grocible says, "now I need to find somebody who reads either Chinese to tell me if they're good translations or not"
[politics]|13:19 Allen | The Tennessee Senate voted 28-1 to amend the state's sex ed curriculum by adding warnings against "gateway sexual activity." Senate Bill 3310 does not explicitly define what those activities are.
[politics]|13:19 Jizaboz asks, "gateway = vagina ?"
[politics]|13:19 vimes says, "wearing pants"
[politics]|13:19 Jizaboz says, "Ah"
[tangent]|13:20 Ryan says, "launcht.com is a kickstarterstarter."
[politics]|13:20 Doug says, "sex in a gateway"
[tangent]|13:20 Ryan says, "An ex-coworker of mine works for them."
[politics]|13:20 Jizaboz says, "with a cow-spotted box"
[politics]|13:20 inky says, "holding hands"
[politics]|13:20 vimes says, "hitting puberty"
[MacOS]|13:21 Grocible says, "whoa Chrome bombed"
[MacOS]|13:21 Grocible says, "it's never done that to me so far. interesting."
[MacOS]|13:22 Iain says, "It might just be a friendly notification that you need to buy more memory."
[MacOS]|13:22 Jon says, "s/more memory/a chromebook/"
[MacOS]|13:23 Grocible says, "I'd love to buy more memory. This is one of the things that's sending me in paroxysms of hatred towards Apple and Intel right now - the fact that this fucking machine can only take 3 GB of RAM"
[MacOS]|13:23 Grocible asks, "who the fuck thought 3 GB would be enough?"
[MacOS]|13:25 inky says, "ha ha ha"
[MacOS]|13:26 katre says, "Grocible_2000 said, "This machine has 1 GB of memory? How could I ever use that much?""
[MacOS]|13:26 vimes says, "there's /never/ enough memory"
[MacOS]|13:27 Ryan says, "The laptop I'm using has 1gb."
[MacOS]|13:28 Ryan says, "It works pretty hard now and then but isn't miserable or anything."
[MacOS]|13:28 katre says, "I bought a new thuinkpad on woot this weekend and immediately went to amazon to buy an extra 4gb of memory for it (to double the 4gb it comes with)"
[MacOS]|13:28 katre says, "the laptop I'm replacing is from 2006 and has 1gb"
[MacOS]|13:28 katre says, "this will be fun"
[MacOS]|13:30 Ryan says, "I put 2 2gb sticks into Sarah's thinkpad last night, which resulted in 3gb available because 32-bit linux."
[MacOS]|13:30 katre says, "aw"
[MacOS]|13:30 Ryan says, "The "unscrew the bottom then lift the keyboard" thing was kind of weird."
[MacOS]|13:31 Grocible asks, "it was the Merom chipset that was so fuckupedly crippled it only does 3 GB, right?"
[MacOS]|13:31 katre says, "I also bought a 60GB ssd because a) ssd, b) why do I need more than 60gb, and c) I can give the drive with windows 7 on it to someone who won't immediately reformat and install linux"
[MacOS]|13:32 inky says, "I am thinking about buying a new computer and so I am poking around on various sites"
[MacOS]|13:32 katre says (to inky), "woot has good deals every few weeks"
[MacOS]|13:32 inky says, "one of the things I looked at didn't let you specify less than 16GB"
[MacOS]|13:32 inky says, "hunh, that is good to know"
[MacOS]|13:33 inky says, "I wonder if I should have told my sister to look for a thinkpad there, oh well"
[lounge]|13:33 Grocible says, "my fat neighbour is out in the garden again with her personal trainer"
[lounge]|13:33 Grocible says, "I wonder if she took the lift downstairs to the garden"
[MacOS]|13:34 K-Y says, "I've been keeping an eye out for a deal"
[MacOS]|13:34 K-Y says, "er, on 8GBs"
[MacOS]|13:34 K-Y says, "ever since I missed the ones last Christmas"
[MacOS]|13:35 K-Y says, "needless to say there have not been any"
[lounge]|13:35 Grocible says, "this woman drives her Aston Martin to work"
[lounge]|13:35 Grocible says, "takes the lift 2 storeys in the building rather than the stairs"
[lounge]|13:36 Grocible says, "and hires a personal trainer for a pathetic half hour workout every couple weeks"
[lounge]|13:36 Grocible says, "and probably wonders why she doesn't lose any weight"
[lounge]|13:37 inky says, "it is too bad she doesn't just ask you to clear it up for her, dude"
[lounge]|13:38 Jizaboz asks, "How 'fat' is she?"
[lounge]|13:39 Rob moseys right on out.
[lounge]|13:39 Grocible says, "it probably just bugs me more that there are people in this building who own DB9s"
[lounge]|13:39 inky says, "heh"
[lounge]|13:40 inky says, "I am actually surprised by that a bit"
[lounge]|13:40 inky says, "like, I don't know how nice your building is but it seems like one where people have a bunch of fancy sports cars would be pretty expensive to live in"
[lounge]|13:40 Grocible says, "also, it is just very funny watching her work out. her trainer makes her do very strange things"
[pdf]|13:40 K-Y says, "so Acrobat Distiller breaks itself if there are quotes in the name of the webpage you are trying to print"
[lounge]|13:40 Jizaboz says, "I've never even heard of a DB9 until now"
[lounge]|13:40 Grocible says, "the downstairs flats in our building are quite expensive, yeah"
[lounge]|13:41 Grocible asks, "well, are you in the UK?"
[lounge]|13:41 Jizaboz says, "Nein"
[lounge]|13:41 Grocible says, "there you go"
[pdf]|13:41 K-Y says, "*even if you manually change the filename*"
[lounge]|13:41 Jizaboz says, "Ah"
[lounge]|13:41 inky says, "has james bond driven one or not, that's the real question"
[lounge]|13:41 Grocible says, "I mean, they import Aston Martins to the USA, but they're quite costly"
[lounge]|13:42 Grocible says, "I don't think Bond has ever driven a DB9 in a movie, no"
[pdf]|13:42 K-Y says, "of course I realize this has to do with reserved characters in Windows"
[lounge]|13:42 Grocible says, "well, thanks to the exhaustively useful thing that is wikipedia, he's driven a DBS"
[lounge]|13:43 Grocible says, "which is similar to the DB9 if you're not a car nerd"
[pdf]|13:43 K-Y says, "but given that they *coded* the feature to automatically replace the reserved characters with something else..."
[pdf]|13:47 Fang says, "Adobe are terrible"
[lounge]|13:50 Grocible says, "wow. now she's got a rubber strap installed in a tree, and she's standing on one leg with the other leg in the strap"
[pdf]|13:50 K-Y says, "this is a program where 'drag files to rearrange them' has a chance of critical failure"
[lounge]|13:51 Jizaboz says, "I'd have a better time picturing this if you answered my previous question"
[ifdb]|13:51 Ellison says, "there's a 'have you played this game?' section on the side of the screen, where you can click and give star ratings. under that, there's a 'It's on my wish list' line with a checkbox next to it."
[lounge]|13:53 Nitku doesn't even know what glutz is!
[lounge]|13:54 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|13:54 ghira says, "meep"
[lounge]|13:54 Grocible says, "she's heavily obese. I have no idea what she weighs"
[lounge]|13:55 Jizaboz says, "Oh. That sounds.. not so nice, but perhaps a bit more humorous."
[lounge]|13:56 DavidW goes home.
[lounge]|13:56 * DavidW has disconnected.
[lounge]|14:01 Mary arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes her cough.
[lounge]|14:01 Mary says, "Hello, MUDsters."
[lounge]|14:01 inky says, "hey hey"
[lounge]|14:03 Johnny says, "Hi Mary"
[maryprattle]|14:05 Mary sings, "You are a fifty-pound bag of soybeans."
[lounge]|14:08 Grocible says, "aaand she's done"
[maryprattle]|14:13 inky asks, "in a twenty-pound sack?"
[lounge]|14:13 Jizaboz says, "Hey Mary"
[lounge]|14:13 Jizaboz asks (of Grocible), "Did she sling-shot herself out of the tree?"
[maryprattle]|14:15 Mary says, "All I can remember of the song is two lines: 'I am a little piece of chocolate...You are a fifty-pound bag of soy beans.'"
[maryprattle]|14:16 Mary says, "It is a song by the band The Roches, whom some MUDder has probably heard of."
[pdf]|14:17 olethros says, "distiller is a program? I though it was a mystic spell"
[lounge]|14:17 Emily arrives.
[lounge]|14:17 Mary says, "Hello, Emily."
[lounge]|14:17 RootShell is called RootShell, he works here, as you know.
[lounge]|14:17 Mary says, "Hello, RootShell."
[lounge]|14:17 RootShell mary Hellop
[lounge]|14:18 maga says, "ey oop"
[lounge]|14:18 RootShell says (to maga), "hello"
[lounge]|14:18 RootShell says (to Mary), "Helllo"
[lounge]|14:18 RootShell Finally i got some free time to get here :)
[lounge]|14:18 Johnny says, "Hey RootShell"
[lounge]|14:19 RootShell says (to Johnny), "Hey :)"
[lounge]|14:24 Iain wakes.
[lounge]|14:24 Iain says, "Evening all."
[lounge]|14:24 maga says, "hey Iain"
[lounge]|14:25 Mary says, "Hello, Iain."
[lounge]|14:26 Johnny says, "Hey Iain"
[lounge]|14:27 RootShell http://www.ifreviews.org
[lounge]|14:27 Iain asks, "What's new and exciting in the world of lounge?"
[lounge]|14:27 Iain says, "I have been working and organising yet more schlepping around."
[lounge]|14:28 Grocible says, "not much"
[lounge]|14:28 Grocible says, "I have been making snide remarks about my neighbour"
[housing]|14:29 K-Y says, "arrgh"
[housing]|14:29 K-Y says, "why were they trying to move a bed into my apartment on Friday"
[housing]|14:30 K-Y says, "and I didn't know about it until today"
[housing]|14:31 K-Y says, "this is going to go nuclear, somehow"
[history]|14:32 Fang says, "people are stupid. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9204961/George-Washington-named-Britains-greatest-ever-foe.html "
[sf]|14:32 Jon says, "hm, Aristoi is now available as an e-book."
[sf]|14:32 Jon says, "with a mind-boggling cover"
[sf]|14:32 Jon says, "which appears to be a portrait of a samurai robot"
[programming]|14:32 Jon | http://www.symbolhound.com/
[sf]|14:33 K-Y says, "let me tell you about these webcomics they have these days"
[housing]|14:33 Grocible asks, "Who?"
[lounge]|14:33 Iain says (to Grocible), "Recapping, wow, bizarre."
[housing]|14:33 K-Y says, "the landlord"
[lounge]|14:33 Gunther has a complicated history with pants.
[lounge]|14:34 Gunther says, "morn"
[lounge]|14:34 Grocible says, "iain: the neighbour's exercises? Yeah"
[sf]|14:35 Jon says, "sure, but there are no samurai robots in Aristoi."
[lounge]|14:35 Johnny says, "Hey Gunther"
[spam]|14:35 Johnny | Obama AFK?
[lounge]|14:36 Mary says, "Hello, Gunther."
[lounge]|14:42 lpsmith is perhaps sponsored by a local bakery called, for some reason, "Beeth Oven"
[lounge]|14:42 Mary says, "Hello, lpsmith."
[italy]|14:46 olethros | young women dressed as nuns and footballers stripping at the former prime minister's parties
[italy]|14:46 olethros asks, "_footballers_ ?"
[housing]|14:50 Tale asks, "Are you moving out?"
[italy]|14:50 inky says, "but *sexy* footballers"
[italy]|14:50 Tale says, "You don't need to do much stripping. If they mean soccer outfits."
[italy]|14:51 Iain says, "That's why they call it a football strip."
[italy]|14:51 olethros says, "one woman was wearing a mask with some footballer's face onit"
[lounge]|14:51 olethros says, "We will win, Mr Obama," Sarkozy is heard saying in what the French press described as schoolboy English. "You and me together.""
[French]|14:51 olethros | "We will win, Mr Obama," Sarkozy is heard saying in what the French press described as schoolboy English. "You and me together."
[French]|14:51 inky says, "hey hey, take that to #english"
[French]|14:51 olethros says, "I can so imagine it."
[French]|14:51 olethros says, "sorry, no #france"
[lounge]|14:52 Johnny does like justice, but that's taking it a bit far.
[italy]|14:52 ghira says, "and I thought this story couldn't get any stranger"
[French]|14:52 olethros says, "also, Obama is like a rock. I would have fallen down laughing"
[teaching]|14:54 olethros says, "not sure what I should do for this course"
[teaching]|14:55 olethros says, "1) presentations"
[videogames]|14:55 Gunther says, "sooop Sworcery for PC eh"
[teaching]|14:55 olethros says, "2) mini-project"
[teaching]|14:55 olethros asks, "3) exams?"
[videogames]|14:55 Gunther says, "-p"
[teaching]|14:55 olethros says, "this is the course http://lia.epfl.ch/People/dimitrak/teaching/optimal_decisions/index.html "
[teaching]|14:55 olethros says, "it's on the borderline between theory and applied statistics"
[videogames]|14:55 inky says, "hmm"
[videogames]|14:55 inky asks, "and you have to use the mouse?"
[videogames]|14:56 Gunther says, "seems like"
[videogames]|14:56 Gunther asks, "what else tho?"
[money]|14:57 Dave says, "blah"
[money]|14:57 Dave says, "I was woring on a deal to move some of my consulting revenue through a 3rd party to do my payroll, including Irene's child support"
[money]|14:58 Dave says, "their formula includes 30% for cost of doing business"
[lounge]|14:58 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[money]|14:58 Dave says, "so at $10/hr, this is fine and covers health insurance"
[money]|14:58 Dave says, "but if I add the child support, it's way too expensive"
[money]|14:59 Jon asks, "wait, you're doing consulting at $10/hr?"
[money]|14:59 Jon asks, "or did I misinterpret?"
[pain]|14:59 Allen says, "every step I take is a jagged stab of PAIN"
[pain]|14:59 Gunther says, "oh man"
[pain]|14:59 Allen says, "my knee was a lot better, so I decided to walk to the public library, about a half mile"
[pain]|15:00 Allen says, "I got there... was pretty sore. Figured I'd sit among the shelves and relax for an hour to get strength back"
[pain]|15:00 Mary asks, "What happened to your knee?"
[pain]|15:00 Allen says, "THEY'RE CLOSED ON MONDAY!!"
[housing]|15:00 K-Y says, "the previous tenant is moving out"
[pain]|15:00 Mary exclaims, "Alas!"
[pain]|15:00 Allen says (to Mary), "gout + knee injury"
[housing]|15:00 K-Y says, "so I need new furniture"
[pain]|15:00 Mary says, "Sorry to hear that."
[pain]|15:01 Allen says, "anyway, it started hurting on the way back. got worse and worse and worse"
[lounge]|15:02 Hugo utilizes his advanced knowledge of physics to enter the lounge.
[pain]|15:02 Mary says, "Maybe you need a little scooter."
[pain]|15:02 Tale says, "Hope you made it home at least."
[lounge]|15:02 Mary says, "Hello, Hugo."
[pain]|15:02 Allen says, "made it back to work"
[pain]|15:02 Allen says, "and stole some tylenol from coworker"
[lounge]|15:02 Hugo says, "Heya."
[pain]|15:03 Mary says, "Seems as if an anti-inflammatory might be better."
[pain]|15:03 Mary says, "I mean a scooter like children have, not a powered wheel-chair kind of scooter."
[politics]|15:07 GDorn | Senate to vote on Buffett Rule at 5:30 pm ET
[pain]|15:08 inky says, "slowly you turned, step by step"
[pain]|15:09 vimes says, "wince by wince"
[lounge]|15:09 Tale says, "hey hugo"
[lounge]|15:10 Iain leaps astride a mountain pony and gallops off bareback for reinforcements.
[money]|15:11 Dave says, "no - I'm trying to get health benefits"
[pain]|15:11 Gunther says, "then STOP! HAMMER TIME"
[money]|15:12 Dave says, "and I have an acquaintence that works at a larger company that will take on W2's"
[money]|15:13 Dave says, "they would bill my staffing firm for a set cost (in this case $18/hr for $10/hr pay + Blue Cross) and pay me whatever is left on $1,600/month after taxes"
[money]|15:13 Dave says, "I still have to do my own payroll, but this at least gets me medical benefits"
[money]|15:13 Dave says, "good ones, in fact"
[politics]|15:15 vimes says, "use a new plate every time"
[lounge]|15:16 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[lounge]|15:16 Mary says, "Hello, Fang."
[lounge]|15:16 Fang says, "Hi Mary"
[teaching]|15:17 Fang says, "heh, you mean you don't know what would be the optimal decision"
[English]|15:19 katre asks, "is enroll erally spelled "enrol"?"
[English]|15:19 katre says, "because that looks wrong and stupid but every spell-checker I have available disagrees with me"
[English]|15:19 katre says, "I am trying to enroll for summer classes and the system is giving me trouble"
[jobs]|15:21 GDorn says, "dang, got a call on a job I applied to.  it's for an SF-based videogame startup, but they have a PDX office downtown.  pay range is $90-$120k..."
[English]|15:21 Mary says, "My spell-checker likes "enroll" but not "enrol.""
[English]|15:22 Gunther says, "it's "Enron""
[English]|15:23 Mary says, ""Enrol" doesn't make as much sense."
[English]|15:23 Mary says, "Since to enroll is to place oneself on the roll."
[English]|15:24 Mary says, "Not that English spelling always does make sense."
[English]|15:24 vimes asks, "enrol is archaic, i think?"
[jobs]|15:24 GDorn says, "it looks to be mostly building internal tools for devops and whatnot, almost entirely backend, but with the option to move into some mobile dev."
[English]|15:24 annabianca says, "seems to be enrol in the uk"
[English]|15:24 vimes says, "or, UK...yeah"
[lounge]|15:25 Guenni goes home.
[jobs]|15:26 inky says, "that sounds pretty good"
[CCG]|15:28 Allen says, "/#kitties http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0WGtxK-JRlc/T3y7gREEJDI/AAAAAAAAOyw/kSsaj-I5zeA/s1600/MTG+Black+Cat+Found.jpg "
[lounge]|15:31 borowski enters the lounge.  You quickly hide your bagel.
[lounge]|15:31 Mary says, "Hello, ouroboroski."
[jobs]|15:31 Jearl says, "...waiting for a downside"
[lounge]|15:31 borowski exclaims, "Hello everybody!"
[grammar]|15:31 Ryan says, "Regarding the current inane debate in the JavaScript community about use of semicolons, one guy tweets "I've never been paged at night, because my code looked ugly.""
[jobs]|15:31 inky says, "the downside is he might have so much fun his head explodes"
[grammar]|15:31 Ryan says, "That comma totally changes the meaning of his statement!"
[grammar]|15:32 inky says, "ha ha"
[jobs]|15:32 Jearl says, "or that he will come to hate it in a year"
[urls]|15:32 Allen | http://frompillow.tumblr.com/post/20405536167
[jobs]|15:33 olethros writes an exploratory semi-application letter
[jobs]|15:33 olethros says, "oops, channel taken"
[research]|15:33 olethros says, "ok. This is a job in ecosystems and hydrology"
[urls]|15:33 Mary asks, "What is tumblr?"
[research]|15:33 olethros says, "they want a Statistician"
[urls]|15:33 olethros asks, "you know tumbleweeds?"
[urls]|15:33 Jearl says, "#meme we just don't know"
[urls]|15:34 olethros says, "they tumble by when nothing is happening"
[urls]|15:34 Ryan says, "How is tumblar formed. How psots get reblogged."
[gameofthrones]|15:34 olethros says, "that was not a bad episode"
[gameofthrones]|15:34 olethros says, "the Little People seem to be the most clever"
[gameofthrones]|15:34 olethros says, "(including dwarves and kids)"
[tangent]|15:35 Nitku says, "I have never understood the point of tumblr, or rather why it always shows the huge list of people who reblogged or liked a post"
[tangent]|15:35 Ryan says, "Yes, that's what I dislike about it too."
[tangent]|15:36 Nitku says, "Ok, maybe the author is interested to know but why show it to everyone and not just "54 people reblogged this" like every other site does"
[tangent]|15:36 Ryan says, "It adds zero value for visitors and makes the page ridiculously long and heavy."
[tangent]|15:36 Jearl says, "I don't see the point of listing who liked it, but listing who reblogged it lets you see how networks are connected"
[urls]|15:37 Mary says, "I often have trouble deciding if people are being deliberately uninformative, or if I'm just dim."
[tangent]|15:37 Ryan says, "Okay maybe it adds 1 value for visitors."
[urls]|15:37 Jearl says, "it's just hard to describe"
[urls]|15:37 Jearl says, "I think of it as the anti-livejournal"
[urls]|15:38 Jearl says, "where with lj you follow people, with tumblr you can follow words"
[tangent]|15:38 Nitku says, "Again, to a random visitor "SomeUserName reblogged this" adds no value"
[urls]|15:38 Mary says, "That sounds kind of interesting."
[urls]|15:38 vimes says, "man, it's never occurred to me to follow anyone on tumblr"
[urls]|15:38 Jearl says, "it's really kind of weird and obnoxious in a lot of ways, but it permits a sort of fuzzy searching for things"
[lounge]|15:38 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|15:38 Jota greets.
[urls]|15:38 vimes says, "or indeed to have a tumblr account"
[lounge]|15:38 Mary says, "Hello, Jota."
[urls]|15:39 Jearl says, "I started one so I could comment on people with tumblrs (I never anonymize if I can help it)"
[urls]|15:39 Jearl says, "I feel like I should post some stuff on there but aside from teh occasional beer project I don't know what"
[band-name]|15:39 Mary says, "Beer Project"
[urls]|15:39 Jearl says, "not comment on people. comment on the posts of people"
[jobs]|15:40 Jon says (to GDorn), "go for it!"
[research]|15:40 Fang says, "oh boy, I hope you aren't competing with me"
[lounge]|15:40 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Jota, borowski"
[research]|15:41 olethros says, "Bayesian statistics and dynamical systems"
[band-name]|15:41 (from Mary) Jearl says, "Mary is too long and doesn't contain enough punctuation."
[band-name]|15:41 Mary says, "ilac"
[urls]|15:41 (from Mary) Jearl says, "Mary is too long and doesn't contain enough punctuation."
[urls]|15:41 Jearl says, "also, spoilers!!"
[urls]|15:42 Jearl says, "I had no joke there, I just like spurious accusations of spoilers"
[urls]|15:42 Mary nods.
[urls]|15:42 Allen says, "ooo, this is good: http://fuckyeahcatgifs.tumblr.com/post/20088273376 "
[urls]|15:43 Mary says, "I don't read blogs.  I probably should."
[urls]|15:44 Jearl says, "eh, I don't know"
[urls]|15:44 Jearl says, "I blow a lot of time on them and I don't think I really get much out of it"
[urls]|15:44 Jearl says, "it's just habit"
[urls]|15:44 borowski says (to Mary), "If you like vidya games, check out: http://crpgaddict.blogspot.com/ "
[springcomp]|15:44 maga says, "hmm, illustrated reviews or non-illustrated reviews"
[springcomp]|15:45 maga says, "still haven't found my goddamn tablet stylus, which makes things extra annoying"
[springcomp]|15:45 Tale says, "Illustrated!"
[jobs]|15:45 Jota sighs.
[jobs]|15:45 Jota says, "Setting up the skeleton for a new site:"
[jobs]|15:45 Jota | Me: Do we have to store passwords in plaintext, o--
[jobs]|15:45 Jota | Boss: Yes.
[jobs]|15:45 Jota | Me: --r can I hash them?
[jobs]|15:45 Jota | Boss: No. Don't hash them.
[jobs]|15:46 katre says, "bah!"
[jobs]|15:46 Ryan says, "Hash them anyway."
[jobs]|15:46 Jota | ;..Ryan I like being employed.
[jobs]|15:47 Ryan says, "You and your pragmatism!"
[jobs]|15:47 borowski says, "Maybe mention the security problem Sony had because of plaintext passwords."
[lounge]|15:48 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|15:48 Ellison says, "re"
[jobs]|15:49 Tale says, "Yeah, looks like you have to spell it out for him."
[jobs]|15:49 Jota says, "I have in the past."
[jobs]|15:50 GDorn says, "yeah, I'm going for it.  Going to talk to the recruiting agency this afternoon.  I may not be qualified, though, as they want somebody with iOS and Android experience and I have just a little of each.  OTOH, the ad contradicts itself on this one, so maybe they don't actually know what they want."
[lounge]|15:50 djfletch is thought to have been among those present.
[jobs]|15:51 schep says, "often job ads will list qualities their ideal candidate would have, but they may be more flexible"
[jobs]|15:51 Jota says (to GDorn), "They actually want someone to develop a new enterprise app in COBOL."
[lounge]|15:51 Mary says, "Hello, djfletch."
[lounge]|15:51 djfletch says, "hello"
[lounge]|15:52 * Ellison has disconnected.
[lounge]|15:52 * Ellison has connected.
[jobs]|15:52 GDorn says, "an industry insider (er, friend that works at a similar game startup in the bay area) says it is probably OpenFeint, Kabam or Playdom."
[springcomp]|15:53 * djfletch has joined the channel.
[jobs]|15:55 GDorn says, "the two main downsides are probably 1. working for a company trying to follow in Zynga's footsteps and 2. 90-hour work weeks."
[music]|15:55 Tale says, "I just now discovered Porcupine Tree"
[music]|15:56 Tale says, "They're pretty good! And well known."
[music]|15:56 Ellison says, "sounds like the kind of tree I'd encourage you to hug, Tale"
[Pratchett]|15:56 Jota says, "The radio adaptation of Small Gods might not be the best thing to listen to when you go out for a walk on a hot day."
[music]|15:56 Ryan says, "Daaaaaaamn"
[Pratchett]|15:56 Jota says, "Or at least the part about wandering in the desert."
[music]|16:01 Tale says, "ha ha ha"
[lounge]|16:03 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|16:03 * Ellison has disconnected.
[lounge]|16:06 Mary says, "I'm off."
[lounge]|16:07 Mary says, "Ciao, all."
[lounge]|16:07 Mary takes a plastic hamster ball from her pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[procrastination]|16:08 Nitku says, "...aand that's 95 pages read and summarized in 45 minutes"
[Pratchett]|16:09 inky says, "ehh"
[Pratchett]|16:09 inky says, "er, heh"
[lounge]|16:10 Marktwo goes home.
[lounge]|16:10 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|16:10 Marktwo races up four flights of stairs into the lounge, not noticing the elevator.
[lounge]|16:11 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 830 of 2250 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Monday, 16 Apr 2012, 04:11:41 PM EDT
There is one new message on #games/lego.
Rob says, "blrt"
Jizaboz floats away on a hoverboard.
The prefix 'dream' is ambiguous: #alt/vibes/dreams, #if/games/dreamhold, or #web/dreamhost. To disable smartresolve, try adding a quote, as in #"channel.
</Jizaboz> Jizaboz has disconnected from ifMUD.
Marktwo has disconnected.
Marktwo has connected.
(Current channel set to #alt/vibes/dreams)
[procrastination] borowski says, "That's some good procrastination."
[procrastination] borowski says, "I'm making you a trophy, but it's not done yet..."
[dreams] Rob says, "I had a dream this morning where I looked into a weird toddler's eyes and in each pupil I clearly saw the name 'St. Jake'"
[dreams] Rob says, "so I woke up and googled it and the first hit says that it's what people in seminary call the toilets"
[dreams] Rob says, "the end"
[procrastination] Nitku says, "heh"
[dreams] inky says, "ha ha"
Nitku says, "sleep it is"
Nitku leaves.
</Nitku> Damn thee, pants. Damn thee to hell.
[Pratchett] Rob says, "maybe the disc universe is trying to tell you something"
[Pratchett] Rob asks, "what's the gist about the part about wandering in the desert?"
[dreams] inky says, "I had one of those dreams where in the dream you think you have dreamed it before, but when you wake up you're not so sure"
[dreams] Rob says, "ah yeah"
[dreams] Rob says, "that's pretty common for me"
[dreams] Rob says, "once a month or two"
[dreams] Rob says, "I wake up and think 'hm interesting' then forget again"
[dreams] olethros says, "hm, dreams."
[dreams] olethros says, "they seem interesting when you wake up but then you forget the details immediately"
[dreams] Rob says, "I also found this http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/80846 "
[dreams] katre says, "I had a dream last night that I was a cop investigating a girl who could teleport people short distances, and was using this to kill people via landslides"
[dreams] Rob says, "and I'm wondering whether I feel like spending 99 cents on it"
[dreams] olethros says, "trying to think about where the coffee is purges all dream memories"
[dreams] katre says, "I woke up just as the rocks crashed down on my head"
[dreams] Rob says (to katre), "wow"
[dreams] olethros says, "!"
[dreams] Rob says, "starring mickey rourke, guy pearce, and val kilmer as The Girl"
[dreams] olethros says (to Rob), "you can see a sample"
[dreams] katre says, "ha ha"
[dreams] Rob says, "yeah the sample deal was bogus because it brought up a 'first 9 pages' interface then let you see only the first one, which was mostly whitespace"
[dreams] Rob says, "however it was good enough that I started pondering buying it"
[dreams] olethros says, "it was? I thought it was a Lytton contestant"
[dreams] Rob says, "reminds me of the kinds of stuff I was writing when I was a teenager"
[dreams] Rob says, "I don't see anything howlingly bad in it"
[dreams] Rob says, "and I did finish the first page wanting to see what the end of the paragraph I was reading said"
[dreams] olethros says, "I think it is just because I had the lytton contest in mind today and because of the first two sentences"
[movie] Rob says, "I ended up watching the last half of a movie last night that I was sure was a movie I wouldn't like, but I ended up liking it"
[movie] inky says, "hunh"
[movie] Rob says, "'Beautician & The Beast'"
[movie] inky asks, "what movie was it?"
[movie] inky says, "ha ha"
[movie] olethros says, "ha ha ha"
[movie] inky says, "I guess The Beast part was the good bit"
[movie] Rob says, "fran drescher and timothy dalton"
[movie] Rob says, "it was funny !"
[movie] olethros says, "yay!"
[movie] olethros says, "Dalton is a funny man"
[movie] Rob says, "and she looks good in her technicolor 60s style sexy designer outfits"
[movie] Rob says, "the script had some smart jokes"
[movie] Rob says, "it was kind of a 1940s style throwback thing"
[movie] olethros asks, "hm Czausescu?"
[movie] Rob says, "I would flatter it by comparing it to lubitsch except that I don't know if anyone would get what that means"
[movie] Rob says, "I thought it was supposed to be set in the fictional 1960s until the second to last scene made a reference to Blockbuster"
[movie] Rob says, "and I was like aw what's that"
[movie] Rob says, "I'd recommend it as a home video date movie, I guess I'd say"
[movie] olethros says, "well, Ceausescu was alive until 1989"
[movie] Rob says, "fran drescher is a fan of lucille ball, and there was one six minute pantomime comedy segment that was pure lucy homage (but new, not copied)"
[movie] Rob says, "there was this one stunning moment when fran drescher was dolled up so well she looked like sophia loren or a striking beauty of that caliber"
[movie] Tale says, "maybe because you missed the boring beginning"
[movie] Rob says, "(mostly she didn't look like sophia loren, she looked like mary tyler moore on the dick van dyke show, sexed up with I Dream of Jeannie ness)"
[movie] Rob says, "yeah I totally missed the boring beginning"
[movie] Rob says, "there's a lot of movies where due to cable tv and surfing around you always miss the first half hour, and it shows me how superfluous most first half hours are"
[movie] Rob says, "another thing I caught last night (I was on a lucky surfing groove in terms of actually finding amusing things to watch in a row)"
[tale] Tale says, "Thanks, woman on RPG mailing list. "Hey, Tale can't come on Friday! We can make some decent food!""
[movie] Rob says, "was the movie Horrible Bosses"
[movie] olethros says, "hm"
[tale] inky says, "ha ha"
[movie] olethros asks, "horrible?"
[movie] Rob says, "starring that guy from SNL, that dude from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and that reliable workhorse Jason Bateman"
[movie] olethros says, "I watched it partially"
[movie] olethros says (to rob), "I just remember seeing some hot chyx in movies, but most are not particularly distinguishable"
[movie] Rob says, "I missed the first 10 minutes but laughed out loud enough times that I thought ok that was not bad"
[movie] Rob says, "later I caught the first 10 minutes, and they were totally redundant"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "Jason Bateman always sounds like he should be the killer in American psycho"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "But that's Patrick Bateman"
[movie] Rob says, "each character narrating who they were and what their situation was, which I caught onto for each with no problem by watching the movie where I started"
[movie] inky says, "ha ha"
[movie] inky says, "if it's a romantic comedy presumably nothing was what you might call surprising"
[movie] olethros says, "apparently it was"
[movie] Rob says, "I also watched this movie where chiwetel ejiofor played a drag queen who helps a failing northampton shoe factory reinvent itself making sexy stiletto boots for transvestites"
[movie] Rob says, "wherein we learn that it takes all types to make the world go round and being prejudiced makes you a douche"
[movie] olethros says, "awesome... I guess"
[movie] Rob says, "it wasn't as good"
[movie] olethros says, "the trailer for beuatician seems ok"
[movie] Rob says, "its third act cliche force-fit 'suddenly everyone hates each other' crisis made me angry"
[movie] inky says, "ha h a"
[movie] inky says, "hmm"
[movie] Rob says, "I stomped around venting about how screenwriting books and classes have invented this horrible thing that makes me angry"
[movie] olethros says, "but it is not invented by classes"
[movie] Rob says, "yeah I think it is"
[movie] inky says, "I wonder if when you make quirky and/or well-rounded characters you run into issues trying to fit them into conventional plots"
[movie] olethros says, "so.. classes try to deconstruct films, and by doing so, they create the parts that they think the films are made of, and so later films use the actual fake parts"
[movie] Rob says, "although I noticed later that beautician & the beast also had a third act crisis where the characters became opposed, but I wasn't angry about it because it wasn't arbitrary on the part of the writers, it grew out of the whole plot and all the characters making moral stands (from their own perspectives)"
[movie] Rob says, "no no, I mean those 'Come to my Expensive Seminar and I will Teach You How to Be Wealthy and Get Laid by Writing Screenplays That Sell' classes"
[movie] olethros says, "there are also films where there is a continual wave of crises"
<Sargent> I'm the best at space!
[movie] Rob says (to inky), "I think so"
[movie] olethros says (to rob), "I am not surprised that such things may exist or that people may pay to go to the seminar, but I am surprise that people that are stupid enough to pay  actually write a screenplay that sells"
[movie] Rob says, "and this is where that thing of 'well, I had to trust where my characters wanted to go' kicks in"
[movie] baf asks, "Like the one in Adaptation?"
Sargent sees other fans as the great throbbing opportunities they are.
[movie] Rob says (to baf), "right! right"
Sargent says, "GOod afternoon"
borowski says, "Hi Sargent"
inky says, "hey hey"
[movie] Rob says, "well the guild minimum for one sold screenplay is high enough that it sparks ambition"
Sargent says, "Long time &c."
Rob says, "hey hey Sarge-o"
Tale says, "Long Time? We all keep up. You're the only reason we visit G+."
Rob says, "your name floated around the MUD earlier today"
[movie] olethros asks, "so how does it work? is it an open market for screenplays, with bids?"
Sargent says, "hee hee"
Rob says, "either it was a summoning or your imminent arrival caused a psychic wave"
Sargent says, "And so I was summoned!"
[movie] olethros asks, "do people buy a screenplay and bury it?"
[movie] Rob says, "yes, most of them"
[movie] Rob says, "you can still get paid but no movie ever happens"
[movie] Rob says, "you get more money if they make it, but they don't have to"
[movie] olethros says, "but you write on your CV 'X screenplays sold!'"
[movie] Rob says, "there are complete speculative scripts, and then spec scripts but you have an agent, and then commissioned scripts if you've been around a while"
[movie] olethros says, "that sounds like an ass-backwards way of working on a movie"
Sargent says (to inky), "oh and hey congrats!"
Gunther says, "issa sargent"
[movie] Rob says, "and script doctoring work, the most lucrative bet as a percent of how much time and effort you need to spend (ie, little investment on the writer's part)"
inky says, "thanks!"
olethros asks, "..inky what is up?"
[movie] Rob says, "I am amazed at this point of affairs that any movie gets made at all"
Sargent says, "I went away and people got engaged and pregnant and suddenly Kickstarter was bringing back 1980s era games"
(From Gunther) inky . o O ( ? )
[movie] Rob says, "let alone a good one"
inky says, "I think it is #belated about my engagement"
Gunther says (to Sargent), "also vaporware married"
inky says, "oh yeah"
olethros says, "yeah, it's mud-marrying season"
Rob says, "vaporware married? wow"
Sargent says, "Oh awesome"
olethros asks, "is it Gunther's turn?"
inky says, "he got engaged after I did and then married a few weeks later, I think"
Rob asks, "did vaporware marry the nice girl he took to all those meet-up conventions?"
inky says, "yeah, Kate"
Gunther says (to Rob), "the latter one"
Rob says, "the one who didn't talk to anyone but didn't seem to mind being there"
Rob says, "well good"
Sargent says (to inky), "I misread that as katre at first and thought, man, I really have been gone a long time"
olethros says, "she was happy just to be next to Jota!"
inky says (to Sargent), "hee hee"
[D&D] katre says, "whoa"
[D&D] katre | Man, oh, man, I'd like to show off the piece of artwork I just got from Erol Otus for Dwimmermount.
Rob says, "meanwhile I am still a swinging bachelor"
Rob says, "watching Beautician & the Beast by myself (sob)"
Gunther asks, "so how was outer space?"
inky says, "hee hee"
olethros says, "ha ha ha"
inky says, "on the tire swing"
olethros says, "ook"
Rob asks, "did you fire a laser from orbit?"
<two-star> yea why try her raw wet hat
two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
Sargent says, "Not yet!"
Rob says, "and eliminate a human target and/or make a lot of jiffy pop"
[D&D] Rob asks, "so why can't he?"
[D&D] Rob says, "or she. but sounds kind of he-is"
[D&D] Rob says, "h"
Sargent says, "I am actually on a trip to try our stuff out on this thing: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/robot-helicopter/ "
Rob says, "write-up in Wired? nice"
Sargent says, "well, of the heli itself"
Rob says, "did you guys make it into a print version of the magazine that I got but didn't bother read? because I'll go back and read it"
Gunther asks, "have you used "GET TO THE CHOPPA" yet?"
[D&D] katre says, "this is from James Maliszewski, the guy who wrote Dwimmermount, presumably about artwork that will accompany the book he's kickstartering"
Rob says, "hee hee"
[D&D] katre says, "so I'll get to see it someday, at least!"
Sargent says, "There's been some minor write-ups of our system to guide the helicopter to where to drop off the load elsewhere"
Sargent says (to Gunther), "oh my yes"
Rob says, "I dunno why GET TO THE CHOPPA is suddenly au courant, but even I've become aware of it (and, somehow, find it funny)"
[mudmeets] Sargent says, "Hm nonconf"
[journalism] olethros | One daily, Dagbladet, has inserted a button on its web edition that removes all mention of the trial from screens
Gunther says, "it's from Predatah"
[movie] Rob says, "is there any actual movie where he shouts get to the choppa"
[movie] Rob says, "is it? ok"
inky says, "hee he"
[movie] Rob says, "haven't seen that in a long time"
inky says, "hmm"
[movie] Rob says, "it's funny because it sounds like it's a line in every single movie he's ever done"
[movie] Rob says, "even kindergarten cop"
inky says, "maybe it's new total recall movie -> total recall -> predator"
[movie] Gunther says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvCZQifVM28 "
[movie] Rob says, "summing up a whole career in one stupid line in one outrageous accent"
[movie] Rob says, "and pretty much it's within the average guy's abilities to imitate it for his buddies"
[movie] Gunther says, "and of course there's that song by that Arnie-themed metal band"
[movie] Rob says, "belatedly, also, I just like saying chiwetel ejiofor"
[movie] Rob says, "I dunno that band but suddenly I'm remembering Laibach for the first time since 1991"
[movie] Gunther says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIO86jTrQQ "
<Mary> returns like a re-gifted fruitcake.
Mary arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes her cough.
[movie] Rob says, "their Let It Be cover album was all the rage when I was a freshman"
Sargent says, "hi Mary"
Mary says, "re"
[movie] Gunther says, "who doesn't like saying chiwetel ejiofor, though"
Rob says, "Mary-o-i-a"
[movie] Rob says, "exactly"
[movie] Rob says, "I would like to know I'm mentally pronouncing that correctly one of these days"
[movie] Gunther says, "chew-it-tell"
[movie] Gunther says, "also you may be interested to know it's not his real name"
[lyrics] Rob says, "oh, I just realized I was subconsciously riffing on the refrain of that song 'Gloria'"
[mudmeets] Sargent asks, "has there been much discussion of who can and can't go to this thing?"
inky says, "Mary is back and ready to rock"
[movie] Gunther says, "since that's Chiwetelu Umeadi Ejiofor"
[lyrics] Rob says, "g-l-o-r-i-a glaooaooooooriuhh"
[mudmeets] Sargent says, "I'm having to parcel out my time away this year b/c I'm (surprise) overcommitted"
[mudmeets] inky asks, "the noshowconf thing?"
borowski says, "Hi re-Mary"
[movie] Rob says, "good thing he got rid of that confusing trailing U on chiwetel"
[mudmeets] Sargent says, "yeah"
[movie] Gunther says, "also he's a year younger than I and looks 10 years older"
[maryprattle] Mary says, "I logged off and got all sad."
[maryprattle] Rob says, "that's no good"
Your default channel is currently "misc/personal/maryprattle".
[mudmeets] katre says, "I missed what thing this is"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "logging in again is a good first step"
[maryprattle] olethros says, "now now don't be sad"
[mudmeets] Rob says, "it's on #Gathering"
olethros says, "I will go to sleep so I can... sleep"
[mudmeets] Rob says, "a channel I was going to delete until zarf re-endorsed it"
Rob says, "gnight"
[mudmeets] Sargent says, "heh."
[mudmeets] inky says, "I haven't heard anyone except zarf talk much about it (possibly because he -- yeah), but it seems like it is still far enough off that it could be a thing"
[movie] Gunther says, "oh and here you can hear him say his own name. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_UDXHRlCRs "
[mudmeets] Sargent says, " http://noshowconf.com/ , July 14-15. This would not be an IF-only event, but"
[maryprattle] Mary says, "Believe me, if I could figure out how to do that I would."
[mudmeets] katre says, "ah ha"
[mudmeets] Sargent says, "I CAN NO LONGER USE PASTE MY KEYBOARD SKILLS ARE RUSTY AAA"
[mudmeets] olethros says, "there is a 10% chance I will go because I will be in Ontarion the weekend after"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "well, talk it out"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "and we'll listen and make wise comments"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "in both meanings of wise"
[maryprattle] Mary smirks.
[mudmeets] olethros says, "err Ontario, Canada, not Ontarion, the ancient greek province"
[mudmeets] Rob says, "Ontarion, Leader of Star Command"
[maryprattle] Mary says, "I'm not totally sure what I am sad about."
[mudmeets] Sargent says, "I was trying to make plans and such since flights from HSV are rare and expensive"
[mudmeets] Gunther says, "Ontarion, star of shitty dance-off movies"
[maryprattle] borowski puts on his socks of +2 wisdom
[maryprattle] inky says, "log your left one in and shake it all about"
[movie] Rob says, "oh yeah, last weekend I watched a dvd of The Last Starfighter I bought cheap once and never watched, and was surprised that it still seemed to be not bad"
[maryprattle] Mary says, "The feeling just overcame me suddenly."
[maryprattle] Rob says, "that happens to me"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "when the feeling came over you what kinds of things did you sadly mull over in your mind"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "also, what happened to you the hour before you felt this"
[maryprattle] olethros says, "I hope you didn't come back just so you can sulk silently in the corner"
[maryprattle] Mary sulks in the middle of the room instead.
[movie] baf says, "I remember seeing it pointed out that The LAst Starfighter includes one piece of the Joseph Campbell hero's journey thing that most movies leave out: the part where the hero returns home."
Marktwo has disconnected.
Marktwo has connected.
[movie] olethros asks, "yeah what happens - does he go back to playing the video game? I cannot recall. Is it too boring now?"
[movie] Rob says, "<spoilers for Last Starfighter>"
[movie] Rob says, "he returns home just to say hi to his friends and family, but agrees to take on the responsibility of rebuilding and leading the starfighter fleet, which was destroyed in the war"
[movie] Rob says, "with Zur and the Ko-Dan Armada"
[movie] Rob says, "the cheap dvd came with a nice looking-back documentary about it"
[movie] olethros says, "yeah the movie was famous for groundbreaking CGI"
olethros says, "and now I really Z"
olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
</olethros> Please stop quaking and remain calm.
[movie] Rob says, "the actress playing the romantic heroine looks a lot like Amanda Peet, and I guess is almost old enough to be her mother, though I don't think they're related"
[maryprattle] Mary says, "Well, I'm having problems with my church and feeling kind of alienated.  And my life had been kind of a constant blur of intertwined mental and physical illness for a long time, which makes me feel helpless and pessimistic about the future."
[movie] Rob says, "like a lot of things in that era I was interested in the movie because I learned ahead of time that it was going to use computers to do the effects"
[movie] Rob says, "man, that really interested me when I was a kid"
[maryprattle] Rob asks, "is it your church teachings, practice, or just kind of culture that you're not synching with?"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "mental and physical drains can induce a feeling of helpless pessimism"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "I've been sloggingly swimming through my own deals like that lately"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "I'm having a disproportionately nice day today which I'm trying to enjoy in case it doesn't last"
[maryprattle] Mary says, "Good plan."
Login name: Mary                          In real life: Mary
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Plan: Write a text adventure someday.  My first one may be about laundry.
[maryprattle] Rob says, "yeah, grab 'em when you get 'em"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "something I wanted to have happen actually did happen, not just the way I wanted it to (which is rare enough), but better than I thought, with everyone involved leaving the deal with good feelings"
[maryprattle] Rob says, "which was way better than usual"
[quotations] Gunther | However angry Mr Browne is with his customers for resisting the ever-growing prices he wants them to pay, punching them in the face and shouting "IT'S STILL GOOD VALUE!" is a tactic Tesco rarely employs, and for good reason
[maryprattle] Mary says, "That is good."
[maryprattle] Rob says, "but I've known a lot of sadness and pessimism lately so I can empathize"
Rob says, "uh oh, my netbook is out of battery power"
[movie] Fang | Based on a video game, the week's expensive blockbuster ? the long, loud, ludicrous, mindlessly enjoyable Battleship ? was probably sold to Universal studios as Top Gun meets Independence Day.
Mary says, "Uh-oh."
[movie] Fang asks, ".... based on a videogame?"
Rob says, "guess I'll be back after a recharge"
Rob says, "floopbt"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.