Logfile from ifmud. ************************************************************************ ** ** ** Welcome to ifMUD! ** ** ** ************************************************************************ FAQ: http://www.allthingsjacq.com/ifMUDfaq/ IP: 66.114.68.227 MONKEY: Ook. If you... have an account Type "connect name password" to log in need an account Go to http://ifmud.port4000.com:4001/ and apply are just visiting Type "connect guest guest" to login as Guest want to see who's on Type "who" for a list of players online have problems Email markm - mark.musante@gmail.com TYPE connect, who, or quit: Login Succeeded ifMUD An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board quotebook url database with a parrot bot Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved. Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety. I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy." --Jearl NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced on the channel '#mud-updates'. OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are interested in this subject. To join, go to http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/ or talk to Steve. Robinson Manor A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness. You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob Visible Exits: west, east that's me, mr busytown No new channels have been created since your last check. Adventurer's Lounge Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north. You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, a chalkboard listing the XYZZY Award winners Players: vimes, Alex, Jon, Ryan, markm, Matthew, Touchy, baf, Dave, jpt, DorianX, Jearl, Bishop, Whizzard, Psmith, Richie, lpsmith, Allen, Jacqueline, maga, Doug, DavidW, Grocible, McMartin, genericgeekgirl, borowski, Miseri, two-star, BrenBarn, Ellison, nm, Johnny, Flourish, ghira, Marktwo Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east Rob comes right on in. Recapping 302 of 3955 lines from recent channels: [seattle]/20:32 Grocible asks, "maga: hey - where are you working these days?" [movie]|20:37 Ellison says, "wow, Bully is getting a PG rating in Canada" [movie]|20:38 Grocible asks, "what is it in America?" [movie]|20:39 Ellison says, "R" [movie]|20:40 Ellison says, "people have been complaining a lot" [movie]|20:40 borowski asks, "Has it been edited for Canada?" [movie]|20:40 Grocible says, "more scenes involving maple syrup" [movie]|20:41 Grocible says, "it's a pretty nasty form of hazing in Canada, actually. Waterboarding with maple syrup" [movie]|20:41 Grocible says, "I mean, it *sounds* fun, but...." [movie]|20:41 Ellison says, "heh" [movie]|20:42 borowski says, "Very slooow hazing" [movie]|20:42 Grocible says, "all the more painful" [iPhone]|20:44 K-Y | Photos can now be deleted from Photo Stream [iPhone]|20:44 K-Y says, "yay oh wait it's been five months" [food]|20:46 DorianX says, "that went well." [food]|20:47 DorianX says, "Aside from the fact that it turns out it takes 3 hours to cook a corned beef" [food]|20:48 DorianX asks, "How do working people ever have proper meals?" [iPhone]|20:49 K-Y says, "also, I assume every idevice is just going to come with a new Infinity Blade sequel now" [videogames]|20:49 McMartin says, "Holy shit, Stacking now on Steam" [religion]|20:50 DorianX says, "infant mortality being what it was in antiquity" [religion]|20:50 DorianX says, "I wiuld think a lot of first-born-sons did not survive past infancy" [religion]|20:50 DorianX asks, "if your oldest son was actually your second son because the first one died in infancy, did you get a bye on the tenth plague?" [food]|20:51 borowski says, "I don't think they do. Unless you count Taco Bell." [health]|20:51 boucher says, "Fuck this..." [videogames]|20:51 K-Y says, "I'm still waiting on games that were meant to be out in February" [health]|20:51 boucher says, "Doctors are only for the healthy." [health]|20:52 boucher says, "Doctor waves off my foot pain unless I have some specific symptoms, so it's up to me fo the next two weeks until my scheduled regular checkup." [videogames]|20:53 borowski says, "It's been awhile since I was excited about an upcoming game." [health]|20:53 boucher says, "Then they tell me I can't get a nurse to come help me change my leg dressings in my mother's absence because I'm apparently too healthy." [videogames]|20:53 McMartin says, "I was expecting Stacking to happen later" [health]|20:54 boucher says, "I've been let down at almost every turn by the medical system, and I have almost no faith left." [videogames]|20:54 borowski says, "I haven't heard of stacking but it looks interesting" [lounge]|20:54 annabianca goes home. [health]|20:56 boucher says, "They let me down when I had an unna boot ripped off my leg and was in excruciating pain, just waving me off. They let me down by releasing my father from the hospital even though we were promised he would get a psychological evaluation. They let me down by ignoring my concerns, failing to give me the medication I need when I need it, and generally wasting my time and money most of the time. And now they're letting me down again, ignoring a potential problem with my foot and leaving me to fend for myself to prevent my condition from getting worse." [videogames]|20:56 McMartin says, "It was well-received on XBLA and PSN, at least" [dinner]|20:57 genericgeekgirl says, "Vegan mac & cheese with tvp chorizo and roasted asparagus." [videogames]|20:57 McMartin says, "I believe Gunther said 'One thumbs up inside another, slightly smaller thumbs up'" [health]|20:57 boucher says, "I'll still go in to get my checkups and my prescriptions refilled. I'll still listen to the doctors if they have anything important to say, but it's clear that I can't actually expect to rely on them for anything. I've been turned down and turned away and given nothing too often." [videogames]|20:57 borowski says, "ha" [health]|20:57 boucher says, "If I need help, their answer will likely be no. And they'll take a week to even say that." [health]|20:58 boucher says, "We'll just have to do it ourselves, pioneer-style, splinting our own broken bones and hoping that cooking up tonics and salves made of whatever we can find growing in the yard will fix it." [health]|20:58 boucher says, "Or, you know, maybe Walgreens" [health]|20:59 boucher says, "I'm not going to become like my father, ordering and self-prescribing medications he found over the Internet, ignoring his doctor, and generally being an ass until his death." [health]|21:00 boucher says, "But even if he'd tried his best to be responsible and rely properly on legitimate healthcare, I don't think he would have survived." [health]|21:00 boucher says, "They would hsve neglected him and ignored his concerns, and underestimated his condition right up to the end." [movie]|21:05 DorianX says, "wow. Thomas and the Magic rAILROAD" [movie]|21:06 DorianX says, "I ai impressed how the Nostalgia Critic seems to be utterly unable to see the actual freakout thing in this movie because of Peter Fonda acting in front of it" [lounge]|21:09 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst.. [lounge]|21:09 * Ellison has disconnected. [movie]|21:10 DorianX says, "he keeps going nuts about how Peter Fonda is acting so intense in a Thomas the Tank Engine movie" [movie]|21:10 DorianX says, "But he never really comments on *why*" [movie]|21:11 DorianX says, "The reason he's so intense and dark is because he feels responsible for the lady train getting *raped to death*" [movie]|21:16 McMartin asks, "Bzuh?" [videogames]|21:22 K-Y says, "oh, they released the remake of Super Mario Bros with the portal gun added" [lounge]|21:22 inky dons a Canadian tuxedo to prepare for the battle. [apropos-of-nothing]|21:24 inky says, "today I finally realized that 'sudafed' is a joke on 'pseudoephedrine'" [apropos-of-nothing]|21:25 K-Y says, "well, it's no Fedex arrow" [apropos-of-nothing]|21:31 boucher says, "Well, plenty of brand drug names have some element of their generic name in them." [apropos-of-nothing]|21:31 inky asks, "hmm, really?" [apropos-of-nothing]|21:32 boucher says, "I'm a bit upset to back that up with research, and my mind is swimming, but I'll relate a slightly different thing." [apropos-of-nothing]|21:33 boucher says, "Recently I was shopping for allergy medications at Walgreens, and all their products attempt to integrate the store name with the medication it's a generic copy of." [apropos-of-nothing]|21:33 inky says, "sorry, don't sweat yourself over it, I can look it up for myself" [apropos-of-nothing]|21:34 boucher says, "So Claritin becomes Wal-itin. Benadryl becomes Wal-dryl." [apropos-of-nothing]|21:35 boucher says, "Zyrtec becomes the less smooth Wal-Zyr." [urls]|21:35 Allen says, "nice tattoo: http://web-images.chacha.com/images/galleryimage936314043-jan-26-2012-600x768.jpg " [urls]|21:36 inky says, "excellent" [apropos-of-nothing]|21:36 inky says, "hmm" [apropos-of-nothing]|21:36 inky says, "I wonder if they already had a Wal-tec" [apropos-of-nothing]|21:37 boucher says, "I think they just felt it was an insufficiently distinctive suffix" [apropos-of-nothing]|21:41 boucher says, "But yeah...even Aspirin, back when it was a brand name, as one example. It originally was propared with the extract of spiraea plants." [lounge]|21:44 Grocible says, "hm" [lounge]|21:44 Limax flies into the lounge in a spaceship, which explodes. [lounge]|21:44 Grocible says, "you can't see a swastika in this, can you? http://nkguy.com/temp/orange-stairwell.jpg " [lounge]|21:46 boucher says, "I can barely even see a stairwell in it." [lounge]|21:47 boucher says, "So I suppose that sort of disorientation could cause someone to 'Rorschach' the picture." [lounge]|21:49 Grocible says, "Hm" [lounge]|21:50 boucher says, "For example, I see an uncaring institution more preoccupied with artistic stairwells than providing the service they were intended to, because that's what's on my mind right now." [lounge]|21:51 Grocible says, "Could be worse, I suppose" [lounge]|21:51 boucher says, "(Not entirely kidding.)" [lounge]|22:03 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens. [lounge]|22:07 inky says, "#belated I don't see a swastika" [lounge]|22:10 Grocible says, "okay good" [lounge]|22:11 K-Y says, "maybe I could sort of imagine it's hidden in the concrete on the left" [lounge]|22:12 Grocible says, "I wish I had a better shot of this. it's kind of cool" [lounge]|22:12 Grocible says, " http://nkguy.com/temp/kodak-dcs.jpg " [lounge]|22:12 Grocible says, "that is the first commercially available digital SLR" [lounge]|22:12 Grocible says, "Not just the modified Nikon camera, mind you. But the camera AND the lunchbox sized thing" [comics]|22:13 K-Y says, "this artist really has a knack for making characters look odd but in a believable way http://i.newsarama.com/images/lee-bermejo-before-watchmen.jpg " [comics]|22:14 inky says, "they're very, hrm, bumpy" [lounge]|22:15 inky says, "wow" [comics]|22:15 K-Y says, "yes" [lounge]|22:16 Grocible says, "1990" [lounge]|22:16 Grocible says, "A decade later Canon and Nikon were shipping proper digital SLRs without the tethered boxes" [lounge]|22:18 BrenBarn busta. [lounge]|22:20 two-star says, "Reminds me of the story of the first demonstrations of the CD player in the '70s. There was a plausible looking audio component on top of the table. Under the table, a cubic meter of electronics." [food]|22:20 BrenBarn says, "this is a restaurant review" [food]|22:20 BrenBarn | hello sara!!! long time no speek. I am mario valerio- remember me ? I hope so because I remember you. Give me a call old friend, I would love to hear from you. p.s. I hope all is well with the family. [lounge]|22:20 Grocible says, "Yep" [lounge]|22:20 Grocible says, "hidden under the cloth" [comics]|22:21 K-Y says, "oh yeah, he did some Batman http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X3tdf9HQlC0/Tt4TSntPVrI/AAAAAAAAAOI/83Qj9_USiSc/s1600/BatmanNoel.page48%252649.low.jpg " [lounge]|22:21 Grocible says, "tons of discrete components" [lounge]|22:21 Grocible says, "and, under the cloth, discreet ones too" [comics]|22:21 inky says, "weird" [lounge]|22:21 two-star says, "Well, they had to hide the table legs for the sake of modesty." [ganja]|22:22 Bishop says, "Hmm, Kentucky legislators are pushing to legalize (industrial) hemp growing in the state. Seems a waste of time, since it'd still be illegal on the federal level." [lounge]|22:23 Limax says, "Reboot" [lounge]|22:23 Limax walks slowly out of the room and into the sunset. [ganja]|22:23 * Johnny has joined the channel. [comics]|22:24 K-Y says, "I guess the trend with him is 'overthinking superhero costumes', but presumably somebody had to do it http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IY7bZBbiPog/TtyGpSd_G3I/AAAAAAAAAN8/GesssgNFPq4/s1600/Spider-Man%253ADaredevil.Cover2.FINALlow.jpg " [food]|22:24 two-star | Wouldn't want an "accident" to happen to them, capiche? [food]|22:25 BrenBarn says, "heh" [comics]|22:25 K-Y | -Spidey's mask. Never quite understood why it's always tucked perfectly into his shirt. It's a separate piece right? Seems to me like he be constantly fiddling with it, like a dress shirt that's just too short to stay tucked in your pants. [food]|22:25 BrenBarn says, "another review of the same place" [food]|22:25 BrenBarn | SINCE THE RESTAURANT HAS OPENED I EAT THE FOOD EVERY DAY.THE PEOPLE ARE SO NICE,AND THE FOOD IS VERY GOOD! [lounge]|22:25 Ellison walks in. You can smell the goats. [lounge]|22:26 Johnny says, "Hey Ellison" [lounge]|22:27 Ellison says, "hey hey" [food]|22:28 inky says, "wow" [comics]|22:33 DavidW says, "I think I always assumed that Spidey's mask had something like velcro at the edges to hold it in place." [comics]|22:33 inky says, "if only he had some sticky substance he could use to attach it" [comics]|22:34 DavidW says, "Like all-purpose web fluid." [comics]|22:34 DavidW asks, "He was a chemistry major, no?" [comics]|22:35 Johnny says, "Not when he was in high school." [comics]|22:35 Johnny says, "When he was also Spider-Man." [comics]|22:35 DavidW says, "Still, at least he's not Robin, who must use up a ton of spirit glue affixing his mask to his face." [apropos-of-nothing]|22:36 BrenBarn | Is it possible that a chef who once worked at the molecular-rustic Danish restaurant called Noma - a Copenhagen destination with a chef who forages daily - is running a food truck here in Los Angeles? [apropos-of-nothing]|22:36 inky says, "you can forage in LA too" [lounge]|22:37 Emily arrives. [lounge]|22:39 Ellison says, "hey Emily" [lounge]|22:40 Emily says, "hey" [apropos-of-nothing]|22:41 inky says, "half-eaten burgers and dirty syringes" [lounge]|22:42 Grocible says, "it's emily, bringing good tidings, I'm sure" [lounge]|22:42 Emily says, "my tidings is that Prom Week did not win Technical Innovation but Storyteller did win the Nuovo award, so we're 1/2 on the games I was rooting for in the IGF" [lounge]|22:44 Emily says, "it's possible these tidings are interesting only to me, however" [lounge]|22:44 inky says, "oh, I didn't realize GDC had awards" [lounge]|22:44 Emily says, "yeah -- well, they have two sets, in fact" [lounge]|22:44 inky asks, "indie and non-indie?" [lounge]|22:45 Emily says, "there's the IGF for indie games and then the Game Developer's Choice awards" [lounge]|22:45 Emily says, "which is more like Batman and Portal and whatnot" [lounge]|22:45 Emily says, "but I left before that one" [lounge]|22:45 inky says, "makes sense" [lounge]|22:46 Emily says, "seeing indies get prizes is heartwarming and sweet; seeing people drilled into corporately acceptable speechmaking accept prizes on behalf of a hundred and fifty other people [not shown] is less nice" [www-sux]|22:46 K-Y says, "well, I'm glad it didn't take nine hours to download this iOS update" [lounge]|22:46 inky says, "heh" [www-sux]|22:46 K-Y says, "right now we seem to be shooting for four" [lounge]|22:46 Emily says, "the best part of the expo floor is that they have all the IGF nominees set up at their own booths" [lounge]|22:46 Emily says, "so you can go try everything" [lounge]|22:46 inky says, "excellent" [lounge]|22:46 Grocible asks, "what show is this?" [lounge]|22:47 borowski says, "I haven't played any of these. I'll have to check them out. Though 'Prom Week' sounds like it might be traumatizing." [lounge]|22:47 Emily says (to Grocible), "Game Developers' Conference" [lounge]|22:47 Grocible says, "Ah" [lounge]|22:47 Emily says, "20,000 nerds packed into the Moscone Center in San Francisco" [lounge]|22:47 inky says, "heh, Bastion is up for Best Narrative" [lounge]|22:48 Grocible asks, "is it the sort of geeks dressed as ewoks having sex in hotel rooms in des moines, or lots of people trying to sell games for big money?" [lounge]|22:48 Grocible says, "ah" [lounge]|22:49 Emily says, "it's actually really exciting and fun in a lot of ways, I get to see a lot of people I don't otherwise see the rest of the year, and some of the talks are fascinating or inspiring or whatnot; but there's also a certain unavoidable contact with the more kickable aspects of the game industry" [lounge]|22:49 Emily says, "booth babes and a 20/1 sex ratio in a lot of the talks" [lounge]|22:49 K-Y says, "I don't suppose anyone tried that panel parity thing" [lounge]|22:50 Emily says, "a strange obsession with stuff that explodes" [lounge]|22:50 borowski says, "'Booth babes' makes me laugh. That reminds me of Dilbert cartoon." [lounge]|22:50 Emily says (to K-Y), "I could have missed something, but I think I was the only female speaker in the AI summit (so out of, I dunno, 15-20 perhaps?)" [lounge]|22:51 Grocible asks, "do blokes in dresses count?" [lounge]|22:51 borowski says, " http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1996-10-16 " [lounge]|22:51 Emily says (to borowski), "yeah, it seems funny, but in practice it makes me angry and sad" [lounge]|22:52 borowski says (to Emily), "It's sad on both ends. For the women doing it and the fact that it actually might sell games to some people." [apropos-of-nothing]|22:52 inky says, "the weird thing about dilbert is it has lots of relevant strips for technology stuff, but all from 10+ years ago" [apropos-of-nothing]|22:53 borowski says, "Dilbert used to be really funny but now I think Scott Adams is on auto-pilot" [lounge]|22:54 Emily says, "well, I also feel this little twinge of "grr, *this* is the format in which the game industry finds women acceptable" and growl in my heart. Which isn't completely fair, but it always gives me a sense of feeling like I don't belong (because the culture is looking for women to be eye candy, and I neither have that to offer nor wish to)" [apropos-of-nothing]|22:55 borowski says, "It's probably been a long time since he was exposed to the real world. I hear he spends his days eating cheetos with his cats and watching "Broken Arrow" on repeat." [lounge]|22:55 genericgeekgirl nods. [apropos-of-nothing]|22:55 inky says, "ha ha" [lounge]|22:55 borowski says (to Emily), "It's strange considering that almost half of gamers are now girls." [lounge]|22:57 K-Y says, "I've been looking at this from the perspective of my recent binge on newfangled 'fantasy' art" [lounge]|22:58 borowski says, "I think it's probably an issue of a gender imbalance in upper mangement." [lounge]|22:58 K-Y says, "and, well, when all your visual ideas comes from a bunch of haggard young fellows shut up in the studio all day" [lounge]|22:58 inky says (to K-Y), "hmm" [lounge]|22:58 Grocible says, "well. it's not that simple" [lounge]|22:59 Grocible says, "I mean, if you had a game with a stereotypically ugly woman as the lead, you'd get men and women complaining" [lounge]|22:59 borowski says, "It's the same thing for car shows." [lounge]|22:59 K-Y says, "(which is also an exaggeration, but still)" [lounge]|23:00 Emily says (to Grocible), "yeah, but I'd like to be in an industry where if I said "I picture the heroine as a competent, confident character in her early 30s" the response isn't "we can't possibly have the PC be old"" [lounge]|23:00 borowski says (to Grocible), "Men in games are unrealistically buff. But there aren't half naked men at gaming conventions." [lounge]|23:00 inky says, "ha ha cry" [lounge]|23:00 Grocible says, "yeah, age is an issue" [lounge]|23:00 inky says, "I wonder how old the Uncharted guy is" [lounge]|23:01 Emily says, "but there's a lot that goes with that -- like, men can be older, often much older -- there are plenty of grizzled combat veteran characters" [lounge]|23:01 genericgeekgirl frumples. She's not old :'( [lounge]|23:01 Grocible says, "the thing about stupidly built male characters is also perception, though. Like beautiful slender women think they're fat and ugly. Whereas ugly fat men think they're hunky and handsome" [lounge]|23:01 nm, Whitehead and Russell reveal themselves as complete amateurs [lounge]|23:01 nm says, "hi" [lounge]|23:01 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi nm" [lounge]|23:01 Emily says, "if you make all your women characters have to be very young, it's perhaps not surprising that they're less likely also to be characterized as having the level of agency and skill that come with a bit more maturity" [lounge]|23:01 Johnny says, "Hey nm" [lounge]|23:02 K-Y says, "well, except in Japanese games" [apropos-of-nothing]|23:02 inky says, "yeah, that makes sense" [apropos-of-nothing]|23:02 inky says, "er" [lounge]|23:02 inky says, "yeah, that makes sense" [lounge]|23:02 K-Y says, "where mastery of all subjects is not only acquired but peaks before age 20" [lounge]|23:02 nm leaves for Michigan tomorrow, must teach in the morning beforehand, and has a massive load of work to do [lounge]|23:02 Emily says (to nm), "mudastination!" [lounge]|23:03 nm says, "exactly" [lounge]|23:03 Johnny asks (of Emily), "Did you check out the Pirate Kart kiosk?" [lounge]|23:03 nm says, "also, I was invited to submit something to this conference" [lounge]|23:03 nm | Flashbacks - Nostalgic media and mediated forms of nostalgia [lounge]|23:05 nm says, "I have a list of words which, if present in a conference title, special journal issue title, book title, etc. prohibit me from contributing" [lounge]|23:05 nm says, "right now there is only one word on the list" [lounge]|23:05 nm says, "'philosophy'" [lounge]|23:05 Grocible asks, "how about the adverts for the UK Life on Mars?" [lounge]|23:05 nm says, "I think I am going to add 'nostalgia'" [lounge]|23:05 Johnny says, "funlosophy" [lounge]|23:05 Grocible says, "there was some meta-ness there to the nostalgia" [lounge]|23:05 Emily says (to Johnny), "not yet but it is on my list" [lounge]|23:06 Johnny says, "Add that." [lounge]|23:06 borowski says, "How about "The Philosophy of Poetry in Higher Physics?"" [lounge]|23:06 nm says, "'philosophinky' is allowed" [lounge]|23:06 Hugo says, "See, it's different in movies and television, where we can have women who are older than thirty." [lounge]|23:06 Hugo asks, "Wait, we're talking supporting roles, right?" [lounge]|23:06 Grocible says, "Anyone over 30 needs support!" [lounge]|23:06 Grocible says, "Haw haw!" [lounge]|23:08 Johnny does like justice, but that's taking it a bit far. [lounge]|23:08 Johnny insisted that the mobile hot-dog-on-a-bun did nothing wrong. [lounge]|23:09 nm says, "also, tomorrow is International Women's Day" [lounge]|23:10 Grocible says, "so sayeth Google" [lounge]|23:12 K-Y says, "oh yes, I forgot I have this 'character design' book lying around" [lounge]|23:13 Grocible asks, "nm: hey - were you on when I showed this photo of a computer memory core?" [lounge]|23:15 K-Y | In most cases men, since they are rather uncomplicated in comparison to women, will say or think: "Hey cute, I'd like to date her!" Problem solved. However, the women will say: "She is so cute and pretty, I do identify with her or want to be like her,. That's OK!" Problem solved. [lounge]|23:15 K-Y says, "That's written by a woman who designs character concepts, on 'why put women on the covers of everything'" [lounge]|23:18 Flourish bursts in with a fanfic of strumpets and a fluffer of peanuts! [lounge]|23:18 DavidW says (to K-Y), "That strategy doesn't quite work with everyone, of course." [lounge]|23:22 Flourish says, "Hello, all" [lounge]|23:22 borowski says, "howdy" [lounge]|23:23 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Flourish" [lounge]|23:29 K-Y says, "another piece of the theory is that most men don't identify with a given man shown in an image" [lounge]|23:29 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo [lounge]|23:29 ghira says, "meep" [lounge]|23:29 Flourish asks, "Are we talking about porn?" [lounge]|23:29 Flourish says, "...jeez" [lounge]|23:29 K-Y says, "which was what I was going to say earlier in response to something about self-perception, but couldn't find the reference for" [lounge]|23:31 BrenBarn asks, "hmmm, and women do?" [lounge]|23:31 BrenBarn says, "that must be weird" [lounge]|23:31 K-Y says (to Flourish), "you realize that that is the self-fulfilling question" [lounge]|23:31 DavidW says, "I'd identify with men in pics more if more of them would wear glasses." [lounge]|23:32 nm says, "whoops, I started doing work" [lounge]|23:32 nm says (to K-Y), "please lay the photo of a memory core on me" [lounge]|23:32 K-Y says, "well, I suppose I can do that as well as anyone http://nkguy.com/temp/core.jpg " [lounge]|23:32 Grocible says, "Yes, that wasn't KY" [lounge]|23:33 nm says, "nice" [lounge]|23:34 K-Y says (to BrenBarn), "it seems to be more that about the same proportion of women will take issue with a given image of a man as men will fail to identify with it" [lounge]|23:34 nm says, "I have just emailed my co-author and the designer of our book to see if he wants to use that instead of the photo we have" [lounge]|23:34 K-Y says, "(hugely broad generalization of course)" [lounge]|23:35 Grocible says, "nm: the core shot? groovy" [lounge]|23:35 inky says (to K-Y), "hmm" [lounge]|23:35 nm says, "in which case I will see if kind Grocible will let us use the image in our book for a nonprofit press, where we're donating all of our royalties" [lounge]|23:35 Grocible says, "I don't know about the teal background, but the circuitry itself is interesting" [lounge]|23:35 nm says, "the image we're looking at is not as stylish, but it has a hand in it for scale" [lounge]|23:35 Grocible says, "well, there's the added complication that the Musee des Arts et Metiers is involved" [lounge]|23:36 K-Y says, "this is supposed to be the sort of example they use in media or marketing texts" [lounge]|23:36 K-Y says, "textbooks" [lounge]|23:36 nm says, "I like museums less now that I see that they charge for images by default" [lounge]|23:36 nm says, "whereas archives do not" [lounge]|23:36 Grocible asks, "nm: did you hear my story about this museum in Bradford?" [lounge]|23:38 inky asks (of K-Y), "so are you saying that equal percentages of men and women will not identify with an image of a man?" [lounge]|23:40 Emily goes home. [lounge]|23:40 * Emily has disconnected. [lounge]|23:40 K-Y says, "that is the idea being presented here" [lounge]|23:41 inky asks, "and if it's an image of a woman, then guys won't identify with it but they will still like it?" [lounge]|23:41 K-Y says, "right" [lounge]|23:41 Johnny says, "The same number of men and women who refuse to wear glasses will fail to identify with a blurry man." [lounge]|23:41 nm says (to Grocible), "no" [lounge]|23:42 Grocible says, "there's a media museum in this shitty town up north" [lounge]|23:42 Grocible says, "now controlled by the Science Museum in London" [lounge]|23:42 Grocible says, "and they have an old camera I wanted to photograph" [lounge]|23:42 Grocible says, "they said okay, but reproduction and copyright rights are like 70 quid" [lounge]|23:43 Grocible asks, "so I was like, okay, I'm happy to help support a museum, so I can deal with that. But - copyright? What the hell are you talking about?" [lounge]|23:43 Grocible says, "I'd be the one photographing an artefact. you can't claim copyright on that" [lounge]|23:43 Grocible says, "so various emails go back and forth" [lounge]|23:43 Grocible says, "and then up comes, "oh, and in addition there's a 350 pound plus VAT hourly fee for our services so you can photograph the camera"" [lounge]|23:43 nm says, "claim everything. admit nothing" [lounge]|23:43 nm says, "charge 350 pounds/hour" [lounge]|23:44 Grocible says, "and at this point I was like, okay, you're having a giraffe" [lounge]|23:44 Grocible says, "I fucking think not" [lounge]|23:44 inky says, "wow" [gender]|23:47 K-Y says, "okay, further quotes here" [gender]|23:49 K-Y | A woman cannot really identify with a man which is a minus, and maybe only 20% will find him attractive. To the others he either has too many muscles, or he looks too soft, or they don't like a beard, or his clothing sucks. [gender]|23:49 K-Y | The man will first ask whether he can identify with this man. This might also apple to 20% or more if you are lucky. [gender]|23:51 K-Y | Then, we have a large number who might be scared or jealous, once the man shown on the cover looks "too strong" or manly, is packed too well with muscles, or looks a little too soft. [gender]|23:54 K-Y says, "I just looked at a poster for The Avengers and I think I spotted one of each" [lounge]|23:54 K-Y will be split for components. The process cannot be reversed. Proceed? (Yes/No) [lounge]|23:54 * K-Y has disconnected. [lounge]|23:56 nm says, "'having a giraffe' is a phrase that I can understand being applied to Jeff Minter, but not to a museum" [lounge]|23:57 Marktwo goes home. [lounge]|23:57 * Marktwo has disconnected. [lounge]|23:57 Marktwo Marktwo Marktwo! It gonna getcha! It gonna SUCK YOU DRAH! [lounge]|23:59 * Marktwo has disconnected. [lounge]|23:59 * Marktwo has connected. [lounge]|00:05 inky says, "ok zz" [lounge]|00:05 inky, what do the kids want? Car chases! Kooky grandmas! Pint-size villains flanked by thuggish minions! Things that fly! Taylor Swift! [lounge]|00:15 boucher goes home. [lounge]|00:23 Hugo goes home. [lounge]|00:23 * Hugo has disconnected. [lounge]|00:27 Rob comes right on in. Recapped 302 of 3955 lines from recent channels. Current time: Thursday, 8 Mar 2012, 12:27:11 AM EST There are 4 new messages on #alt/obits. There is one new message on #if/comps/xyzzyawards. There is one new message on #if/games/myst. There is one new message on #media/ads. There are 2 new messages on #media/movies/krone. There is one new message on #media/tv/startrek. There is one new message on #misc/places/greece. There is one new message on #soc/languages/German. There is one new message on #soc/religion/religion. There is one new message on #tech/tech. Not a valid command. Try typing 'help'. Rob says, "ramble ramblerumbly rargmh" Ellison says, "hola Rob" nm says, "hi Rob" [scarygoround] trikiw says, "getting funnier and funnier :)" Miseri is very disappointed in you. Earlier, he may have ransacked your office, but he is *very* disappointed in you. Llama llama duck [scarygoround] Rob says, "really? huh" #13 [soc/languages/German] From: Jacqueline Date: 01-Mar-12 23:37 Subject: Xyzzy wtf? So, I meant to go vote for the Xyzzies, but I accidentally typed 'xyzzy' into the open tab that had Google Maps up instead of, say, the browser address bar. It led to this: http://www.allthingsjacq.com/images/xyzzy-im-deutschland.jpg -- anybody got any ideas? Is this where the ifzentrale crowd hangs out? #18 [media/ads] From: Gunther Date: 01-Mar-12 09:51 Subject: Opt-Out of a ton of advertisers http://www.networkadvertising.org/managing/opt_out.asp (ironically, you'll probably have to turn off any ad blockers to do so) #77 [soc/religion/religion] From: Lionheart Date: 05-Mar-12 17:22 Subject: One Jesus for liberals, another for conservatives http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/mar/04/jesus-liberals-conservatives #52 [if/games/myst] From: Gunther Date: 02-Mar-12 17:04 Subject: Myst games 50% off this weekend http://www.gog.com/en/news/all_the_worlds_of_cyan_are_50_off_this_weekend #37 [if/comps/xyzzyawards] From: maga Date: 05-Mar-12 00:06 Subject: The Future Of The XYZZYs brainstorming thread http://www.intfiction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=4574 #17 [media/movies/krone] From: Rob Date: 04-Mar-12 20:08 Subject: Promo Clip - "This is Not Good" http://thekroneexperiment.com/promosneak/promo_clips_This_is_Not_Good-krone2%20edit%20master%20-%205.m4v #18 [media/movies/krone] From: Rob Date: 04-Mar-12 20:18 Subject: Promo Clip - Earthquake!!@ http://thekroneexperiment.com/promosneak/promo_clips_Earthquake!!@.m4v #66 [tech/tech] From: Hjalfi Date: 29-Feb-12 07:15 Subject: Raspberry Pi launches ...kills site. (Now rebuilt as a static site.) 21.60 UKP. http://www.raspberrypi.org #26 [media/tv/startrek] From: Lionheart Date: 05-Mar-12 15:07 Subject: #shitsiskosays On how to someone rewartching Deep Space 9 on Netflix today, the lack of social media stands out. "This doesn't begin to cover the constant "come here and see this" requests, where said person will not be able to come there and see that due to falling plot. We live in a world already where no one need come and see anything, a quick picture upload obviates the need for O'Brien to come squint at your shit in person... So walkie talkies are still, in 1999, the model for communication. DS9 cares about physical presence in a way we are already beginning to leave behind." Yeah, why don't they have cameraphones? http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2012/02/shitsiskosays.html #427 [alt/obits] From: Matthew Date: 29-Feb-12 13:30 Subject: Davy Jones, 66 Of The Monkees, etc. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2012/02/monkees-star-davy-jones-dies-at-age-66/1 #428 [alt/obits] From: Matthew Date: 01-Mar-12 09:39 Subject: Andrew Breitbart, 43 Internet impersario, outspoken conservative: http://abcnews.go.com/US/andrew-breitbart-publisher-author-dead/story?id=15824337 #429 [alt/obits] From: inky Date: 03-Mar-12 23:46 Subject: Ralph McQuarrie, 82 Movie concept artist -- http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=33315 #430 [alt/obits] From: Gunther Date: 05-Mar-12 12:50 Subject: George W. Bush... impersonator Steve Bridges (48) http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/03/steve-bridges-george-w-bush-impersonator.html #16 [misc/places/greece] From: olethros Date: 05-Mar-12 05:18 Subject: More pain, No gain http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/greece-2012-02.pdf Quotations: inky (quoted by markm, 28-Feb-12): [food] inky says, "I can't hear you, I have a banana-flavored jellybean in my ear" Gunther (quoted by Matthew, 29-Feb-12): [web-toons] Jota asks, "Is there *any* web comic with an ongoing story where the fans don't lament that it's moving too slowly?" [web-toons] Jota asks, "Often blaming the cartoonist's poor storytelling ability, as if this is something that they should be able to prevent if they were more skilled?" [web-toons] Gunther says, "Dinosaur Comics!" [web-toons] Jota asks (of Gunther), "I am sorry, I have not been following the ongoing story there. What is the main plot of it again?" [web-toons] Gunther says, "the jurassic period happens" Hjalfi (quoted by Jota, 29-Feb-12): [health] Hjalfi exclaims, "At last --- I can buy proper soor plooms and cola cubes again!" [health] Hjalfi asks, "Er, is there an #unhealth?" baf (quoted by Jon, 29-Feb-12): [food] katre asks, "'soldier athlete'?" [food] baf says, "I'm guessing it's a pretty popular multiclass." Roger (quoted by inky, 29-Feb-12): [maryprattle] Roger says, "Also I'm pretty sure Jews have 60' infravision" Allen (quoted by inky, 01-Mar-12): [food] Johnny asks, "Chicken brother?" [food] Allen says, "like a chicken sexer, but platonic" inky (quoted by markm, 02-Mar-12): [postsecret] inky says, "I guess I could believe winnie the pooh had an eating disorder" Gunther (quoted by olethros, 05-Mar-12): [food] Gunther says (to boucher), "on my 23h58 train trip to Lhasa, all I had was a bag of yak jerky" Roger (quoted by inky, 05-Mar-12): [politics] Roger says, "I don't remember the Million Baby March or anything" [politics] Roger says, "When they came for the toddlers, I didn't stand up to them, because I couldn't stand yet." Gunther (quoted by olethros, 05-Mar-12): [politics] Gunther says, "y'all should chill out and visit my porn maze" BrenBarn (quoted by maga, 06-Mar-12): [general] BrenBarn says, "I'm way in the lead when it comes to butt" Roger (quoted by K-Y, 06-Mar-12): [news] Roger says, "Oh Danny Boy, the code, the code is hacking" K-Y (quoted by inky, 06-Mar-12): [politics] K-Y says, "it would be like chess players refusing to concede" [politics] K-Y says, "and also, I guess, not knowing how to play chess" Rob says, "uh oh, just my luck" Rob says, "I drop in on ifMUD and nothing is happening" Rob says, "either that or it's ifMUD's bad luck" Rob says, "sometimes I feel like a special guest star dropping in on a series I used to star in" Rob says, "and write good jokes for" Ellison says, "yeah, it's been a slow day, from my perspective" Rob says, "tonight is usually my transcontinental game night with my brother" Rob says, "but his mother-in-law is ailing so he went with his family to visit them and couldn't make it tonight" Rob says, "so I've been sort of twiddling my thumbs all night" Ellison says, "like, it's one of those days where part of me felts like I've put enough into the internet (writing forum posts, wiki entries, etc.) that it should pay me back now and be entertaining, but no, instead, it's a slow day" And that's why to this day I can't watch the Golf Channel without getting angry and peeing a little bit. boucher had a front row seat to the drama and watched as Rob raged, laughed and threw things. Rob says, "hey boucher" Rob says, "heh, put a lot into the Internet" genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Rob, boucher" Ellison says, "hey boucher" boucher says, "Hello" Rob says, "my brother and I have been doing a Rainbow 6 game" Rob says, "years ago I bought it for the xbox while trying to think of random multiplayer games that might work out to play with him when he visited" Rob says, "then for years I never brought it out because I was like 'gee I dunno if this is either of our kind of game really' but I busted it out over last christmas and he dug it" Rob says, "and we both dug the whole going-through-a-mission-as-a-team thing which brought back brotherly feelings of yore" Ellison says, "nice" Ellison says, "the only one I've played was an early one on the Dreamcast, and man, those controls were horrible (the graphics, too)" Rob says, "he doesn't have an xbox, but we both ended up with ipads, and they made a rainbow 6 for that, and we've been powering through it one session a week" Rob says, "he's gotten crazy good at headshots" Rob says, "there was always a way even when we were kids where he'd just be naturally better than me at certain hand-eye coordination stuff and sports, so it's like good old times with him accelerating way past me in ranking and in the cool gear he's unlocking while I'm falling behind" Rob says, "but we settled into this manner of play where I have a couple of things I do that I'm good at and I back him up while he charges ahead like older brothers are wont to do" Rob says, "and I always have to race in to revive him with a health shot when he gets nearly killed doing this" Rob says, "it works out" Ellison says, "huh, all of my older brothers have mellowed out and never charge into anything anymore" Rob says, "I started thinking we should try playing team fortress or something along those lines" Rob asks, "how many older brothers do you have?" Ellison says, "two" Rob says, "yeah I dunno it's almost like something got rekindled in my brother that he'd let flame out for a while so he's totally having fun in this revived way" Rob says, "his wife is concerned about how into making head-shots he seems to be" Rob says, "however, I had been daydreaming since he moved away about figuring out some way to regularly play games with him, and we finally managed to make it happen as a regular event, and we're both having a ball" Rob says, "and I was like, 'oh, huh, that was a good idea'" Ellison says, "well, if you do Team Fortress 2 on the 360, I'd give it a go. it's hard to get enough people together to play that game." Rob says, "also, 'gee, turns out I wasn't an idiot to buy Rainbow 6 Las Vegas after all'" Rob says, "hm that might be good" Ellison says, "yeah, nice how investments can work out years later" Rob says, "I dunno if we could get two pairs of brothers together but maybe that would be the most stable way of doing something" nm says, "g'night" nm goes home. <> > Ellison says, "yeah, I might be able to get my brother to try it out once" Rob says, "I think I did play a little Left 4 Dead 2 with my brother over christmas as well but he took to the shoot-the-bad-guy-terrorists thing more keenly than the chop-the-zombies" Rob says, "well I'll keep that in mind" Ellison says, "he kind of feels like I suckered him into playing the Orange Box since he hates every game that he can't max out on achievements" Ellison says, "yeah, funny how people are like that" Ellison says, "I basically have no interest in military FPSs" Rob says, "I thought about trying to get my brother an xbox for his birthday tricked out with some of the games I have also and a headset and some other stuff, but that may just not end up happening" Rob says, "personally I don't care about military type games, it's solely all about adventuring with my brother" Rob says, "oh also I had no idea until this past christmas that the main fun of Splosion Man was to be had in coop play more than as a single platformer" Rob says, "I was like, oh, huh, how about that, the coop level design rules" Must not have been all that important, then. Ellison says, "weird, I did not know that, either" Rob says, "yeah all the levels are totally different with two players" "Tacky!" cried the shadow. Rob says, "and you really have to work together simultaneously to beat a lot of them" Rob says, "you get into this thing where you both have to be doing something different at the same time with perfect timing, and you just have to trust that the other guy is doing his bit" Rob says, "and that's a unique kind of fun" Rob says, "since it requires trust and teamwork" Ellison says, "interesting" Rob says, "and somehow your own brother is like the perfect guy to be that other guy doing that with" Rob says, "because of all the everything" Ellison says, "of course, Portal 2 has some timing stuff, but they have the built-in stuff to help with that" Rob says, "hm, also, that in the old days of playing games, they were always competitive, but these new types of games *are* cooperative" Rob says, "and we never got to play videogames before the modern era where we were a team on the same side before" Rob says, "and we actually like that" Ellison says, "yeah, I definitely have some favorite co-op experiences" Rob says, "although, we do round out every weekly session with a one-on-one match of who can kill the other guy the most times, to general hilarity" genericgeekgirl wanders off for a bit. ghira whispers, "any travel plans?" Rob says, "I haven't heard my brother laugh as freely and as hard in years as I have when he pulls off a really sneaky kill (of me) that he wasn't sure would work" You whisper "nope, tabled again until further notice" to ghira. ghira whispers, "fair enough" You whisper "though I haven't forgotten or anything" to ghira. Ellison says, "ha ha" ghira whispers, "s'ok. the Australia thing is pretty unclear in terms of timing" Rob says, "he spent a while battling depression so to hear him laugh like that is a big joy" You whisper "your mother is in australia? or am I misremembering" to ghira. Ellison says, "right on" Ellison says, "(laughing, that is)" Rob says, "also he has two kids now, and he doesn't get a lot of relief from that whole endeavor" ghira whispers, "yes" (From two-star) Rob says, "Plus, when he's laughing, he lets his guard down." Rob says, "heh! yes!" Rob says, "I have to admit to a certain amount of chortling on my own part as well" Rob asks, "how many people do you actually need to play team fortress?" Marktwo has disconnected. Marktwo has connected. Ellison says, "well, a lot of the maps are pretty big, it seems" Rob says, "I've never even loaded the thing to see what it looked like" AFAIK FWIW IANAL SAMPFAG Rob says, "like, can two people make a go of it, or is that just lame" Johnny says, "You can load bots." Rob says, "hmm" Ellison says, "well, the main game play is 'capture the flag', I think" Rob says, "mm" Ellison says (to Johnny), "not sure if that is available on the 360" Johnny says, "Everyone I've run into hates CTF." Rob asks, "what do they like instead?" Johnny says, "I think the maps are a little big for an optimal two player dueling experience." Rob says, "hmrrm ok" Rob says, "uh oh" Johnny says, "King of the Hill, Payload, Checkpoint." Johnny says, "There are a bunch of custom modes." Rob says, "I'm actually sitting outside with my laptop and it's starting to patter down rain" Rob says, "I think I have to climb back inside" Rob says, "and when I get back inside I may play videogames instead of logging in again" <> > Ellison says, "cool, later, Rob" Rob says, "well I guess I'm done sharing videogame stories anyway" Rob says, "later !" Rob heads right on out. Find release from your cares. have a good time. Seeya later.