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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob, fake_Robb_Sherwin
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> There is no other option for the world than to invade America and dismantle the lasers, send them through a time portal, and repurpose them as vibrators for dinosaurs. I?ve invented much of this."
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, battle.net battletags, madlibs, Anything Finder, Sarcasm Detector
Players: Alex, markm, Touchy, Psmith, small, DorianX, Ryan, lpsmith, GDorn, jpt, vimes, Jacqueline, Marktwo, Allen, Bishop, annabianca, McMartin, genericgeekgirl, Matthew, Grocible, Dave, marc, maga, borowski, boucher, Whizzard, Fang, Steve, Jon, ghira, two-star, jenrexrode, Jearl, zarf, Jizaboz, K-Y, Ellison, Gerynar, Doug
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 5478 lines from recent channels:
[lounge]/14:39 Jearl says, "a mask, probably"
[donuts]|14:39 BrenBarn says, "but a simple glazed or sprinkled is also a classic"
[donuts]|14:39 BrenBarn says, "or powdered"
[lounge]|14:39 Jearl says, "I made a mask for a party a couple months ago and I couldn't find plastic for it, I got okay results with paper"
[donuts]|14:39 BrenBarn says, "but I just mean the idea of a donut with frosting and maybe one low-profile topping like nuts or sprinkles"
[donuts]|14:39 inky says, "yeah that makes sense"
[donuts]|14:39 BrenBarn says, "not some huge to-do with bacon and other stuff piled high"
[donuts]|14:40 BrenBarn says, "also I haven't eaten breakfast yet so now this is making me crave a donut"
[lounge]|14:40 Grocible says, "paper doesn't hold up to blood very well though"
[lounge]|14:41 Jearl says, "most of my plans involving bloodshed assume that I'll abandon all material evidence in progress"
[lounge]|14:41 Grocible says, "wise"
[lounge]|14:41 Grocible says, "dropping evidence into an active steel mill"
[gripe]|14:42 vimes says, "someone signed up for netflix using one of my email addresses, apparently because he/she is a moron who doesn't know their email address"
[NYC]|14:42 Allen | 1. New York is going to build a bunch of 275 square feet micro-apartments and will charge "less than $2000" a month in rent.
[gripe]|14:42 BrenBarn says, "steal his movies"
[lounge]|14:42 Jearl says, "I actually did not want to jump right back on the murderfantasy train first thing"
[gripe]|14:42 Grocible says, "every few weeks I have to reset one of my Apple ID passwords"
[gripe]|14:42 Grocible says, "because it's a 5 character thing that somebody else is trying"
[lounge]|14:43 Grocible leaves the room.
[gripe]|14:43 vimes says, "i changed the email address to a mailinator address and cancelled the account"
[lounge]|14:43 Grocible rides back in on the back of a unicorn.
[gripe]|14:43 vimes says, "i really don't have any idea what else i could do"
[lounge]|14:43 inky says, "hee hee"
[donuts]|14:44 inky says, "you need a hearty breakfast-type donut"
[donuts]|14:44 inky says, "maybe with extra coconut"
[gripe]|14:44 Grocible says, "you could hire a private investigator"
[gripe]|14:44 borowski says, "Right it's not like you could e-mail them."
[donuts]|14:45 BrenBarn says, "most any donut is a hearty breakfast-type donut"
[donuts]|14:45 BrenBarn says, "any simple classic donut that is!"
[donuts]|14:45 vimes says, "the perfect donut is not, in fact, donut shaped"
[donuts]|14:45 vimes says, "because a jelly-filled donut is blob-shaped"
[gripe]|14:46 borowski says, "Hmm, internet noir might be interesting."
[donuts]|14:46 vimes says, "donuts must be full of existential doubt about the place jelly donuts hold in the universe"
[Camembert]|14:46 vimes says, "goat milk cheddar"
[Camembert]|14:46 vimes says, "one of the few cheeses i've ever tasted whose flavor got milder as it warmed up"
[gripe]|14:47 borowski says, "A beautiful dame walked into my office. I could tell right away that she was in danger. In danger of too much spam."
[Camembert]|14:47 inky says, "interesting"
[stevejobs]|14:47 Steve says, "A time when LinkedIn is finally useful.  Looked at my contact list and figured out some way better references than I was thinking of"
[gripe]|14:48 Ryan says (to vimes), "Sarah has this problem pretty much every day."
[gripe]|14:48 (from vimes) Ryan says, "I told her that test@example.com was a bad email address, but did she listen?"
[gripe]|14:48 Ryan says, "She uses sarahmarie@gmail.com as her primary address. There are a bajillion other people in the world who think this is their address."
[google]|14:48 inky says, "I don't understand why I sometimes get popups for google calendar stuff and sometimes I don't"
[gripe]|14:48 dfan says, "I get dan.schmidt@gmail.com mail all the time"
[gripe]|14:49 dfan says, "Including one guy who won't stop"
[gripe]|14:49 Ryan says, "She gets responses to job applications, invitations to baby showers, and constant password-reset messages."
[gripe]|14:49 borowski asks, "Huh. I wonder if people assume they automatically have an email address that's their name?"
[gripe]|14:49 dfan says, "Luckily, he manages a chain restaurant and all the mail he sends me is ranting about problems with the people under him"
[lounge]|14:49 josh_g is protected by public incredulity.
[gripe]|14:49 vimes says, "ha ha"
[gripe]|14:50 dfan says, "With me it's usually that people forgot a middle initial or some extra digits or wrote gmail instead of yahoo or something"
[lounge]|14:50 josh_g says, "hi"
[gripe]|14:51 Grocible says, "it's an interesting problem"
[gripe]|14:51 Grocible says, "the limited namespace with commercial providers"
[gripe]|14:51 jenrexrode says, "the ebay password resets stopped a while back.  people want my account I guess.  it's just 'guppy'."
[gripe]|14:51 Grocible says, "it's one of the reasons I got my own domain"
[gripe]|14:51 baf says, "See, this is the nice thing about having your own domain."
[gripe]|14:51 vimes says, "i got a mis-sent text message last night, which bothered me much less"
[gripe]|14:51 vimes says, "it was from "britteny at the aquarium", who was begging whoever she meant to text to take her shift because she had a horrible ear infection"
[gripe]|14:51 baf says, "No one else thinks they have a wurb.com email address."
[gripe]|14:52 vimes says, "i responded to let her know that she had the wrong phone number and wished her a quick recovery, which produced a sort of dumbfounded thanks in response"
[gripe]|14:52 vimes says, "i can only imagine that most missent texts receive no reply or very negative replies"
[gripe]|14:52 dfan says, "What is the emoticon for dumbfounded thanks"
[gripe]|14:53 BrenBarn says, "O_o;;"
[gripe]|14:53 vimes says (to dfan), ""wow thanks lol 8O"
[gripe]|14:53 Ryan says, "wow.thanks.lol:80"
[gripe]|14:53 Grocible says, "google's working on that, I guess"
[gripe]|14:54 Grocible asks, "did that end up winning that domain?"
[gripe]|14:54 BrenBarn says, "I use my own domain for my email, but I do have the problem that sometimes people try to send me mail at gmail instead"
[gripe]|14:54 Ryan says (to Grocible), "I don't thikn they've gotten that far in the process yet."
[gripe]|14:55 Grocible says, "it's good that they're being so innovative, I guess"
[gripe]|14:55 vimes asks (of BB), "like they send to brenbarn@gmail.com, or to brenbarn.brenbarn.net@gmail.com?"
[gripe]|14:55 BrenBarn says, "the former"
[gripe]|14:55 vimes says, "how strange"
[gripe]|14:55 inky says, "if you send mail to brenbarn.brenbarn.brenbarn@gmail.com, it summons him"
[gripe]|14:55 Grocible says, "I had to explain to someone the other day that gmail ignores periods"
[gripe]|14:55 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[gripe]|14:55 vimes says, "usually i've found that not having a .com jolts people's brains into focus"
[gripe]|14:56 Grocible says, "she was insistent that it was a "virus""
[gripe]|14:56 BrenBarn says, "well, brenbarn@gmail.com is an email address I have"
[gripe]|14:56 BrenBarn says, "but I don't use it"
[gripe]|14:56 BrenBarn says, "but sometimes people see it if I share a google calendar or the like with them, and then they assume it's an address that I check"
[gripe]|14:56 Grocible says, "it seemed a very complex concept that she had difficulty comprehending"
[gripe]|14:56 * Steve has joined the channel.
[gripe]|14:56 vimes says, "you just have an autoresponder that says "i hope your earache gets better thanks lol""
[lounge]|14:56 olethros was sworn in by robed priests on Thursday morning.
[gripe]|14:56 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[gripe]|14:57 BrenBarn says, "actually it just says 'lol'"
[gripe]|14:57 BrenBarn says, "that works for everything"
[gripe]|14:57 Grocible says, "that just makes me think of someone lolling in a chair"
[gripe]|14:57 Grocible says, "maybe recently pithed"
[youtube]|14:57 boucher says, "I find myself enjoying Jeremiah McDonald ( http://www.youtube.com/user/weepingprophet/ ), the guy who most recently interviewed his 12-year old self, if you've seen that viral explosion...."
[youtube]|14:58 boucher says, "He has a certain pensive, constipated intensity that I appreciate for some reason"
[jobs]|14:59 Matthew asks, "So what other iPad/tablet-formatted tech publications are there.  Engadget's Distro is one, and I think there's one for Wired.  But what else?"
[jobs]|14:59 Gunther says, "National Geographic Magazine"
[youtube]|14:59 boucher says, "I usually find vloggers and random skitmakers a little tiresome, but he seems unusually enjoyable."
[jobs]|14:59 Ryan says, "Financial Times"
[youtube]|14:59 boucher says, "If I could choose someone to hate me, it'd be him."
[jobs]|14:59 Matthew asks (of Gunther&Ryan), "These are tech publications?"
[jobs]|14:59 Gunther says, "and all I can say"
[jobs]|15:00 Gunther says, "ilac"
[cabal]|15:00 Grocible asks, "dfan: say - do you know if liza has done much work with iBooks Author?"
[jobs]|15:00 Ryan says, "Oh, I didn't see that word sitting there in your question. Sorry."
[cabal]|15:00 Grocible says, "in terms of analysing its abilities etc"
[jobs]|15:00 Gunther says, "nor I"
[cabal]|15:00 dfan says, "Probably at least a little"
[jobs]|15:00 Matthew says, "I mean, I guess maybe it doesn't matter, but I want as much ammo as I can get before my 'interview.'"
[jobs]|15:01 Matthew says, "So far the only one I really know is ours, but I want to know what the competition is doing."
[jobs]|15:01 Ryan asks, "Fast Company, maybe?"
[gplus]|15:01 jenrexrode says, "I'm using google maps to find old paint stains on the tarmac of the Tour de France climb Col de la Madeleine and posting the results on my google+ feed"
[jobs]|15:01 BrenBarn says, "why are you putting 'interview' in quotes"
[jobs]|15:01 BrenBarn says, "it makes it sound like the interview will be conducted by a guy named Rocco and his baseball bat"
[jobs]|15:01 Ryan says, "I don't know tech publications."
[gplus]|15:02 BrenBarn asks, "where are the flying cars?"
[jobs]|15:02 Matthew asks, "Well, let me ask a different question, then:  What do you think are really well-designed tablet-formatted magazines?"
[jobs]|15:02 Matthew says, "I'll assume National Geographic and Financial Times still count."
[jobs]|15:02 Ryan says, "Oh, I can't answer this new question."
[jobs]|15:03 Matthew asks (of Ryan), "You can only answer questions I don't ask?"
[jobs]|15:03 Ryan says, "I've never looked at a magazine on a tablet."
[cabal]|15:03 Grocible says, "ok"
[jobs]|15:03 Gunther says, "NGM is kinda wonky but I did like it"
[jobs]|15:03 Matthew asks (of Gunther), "What's wonky about it?"
[jobs]|15:03 Steve says, "I have a couple magazines I subscribe to on Zinio and read on my tablet"
[jobs]|15:03 Gunther says, "that said I would never subscribe to a publication on any platform where I don't have control over the content"
[jobs]|15:03 Matthew asks (of Steve), "Which ones?"
[jobs]|15:04 Gunther says (to Matthew), "sometimes you scroll left, sometimes down"
[jobs]|15:04 Gunther says, "they clearly indicate it but it's weird. They have a free app and a free demo so you can check it out"
[jobs]|15:05 Ryan asks (of Gunther), "You only subscribe to publications where you're the editor?"
[jobs]|15:05 Gunther says, "you know what I mean"
[jobs]|15:05 BrenBarn says, "Four Coffees Weekly"
[jobs]|15:05 Grocible says, "I don't"
[jobs]|15:05 BrenBarn says, "Gunther World"
[jobs]|15:05 Gunther says, "I can't get the iOS app files, whatever they are, in a format I can view anywhere else"
[jobs]|15:06 Matthew says, "I said this the other day, but I really think our magazine looks pretty good.  I'm not sure it needs many improvements on the design front.  I guess what I'm really interested in is how other magazines use interface elements, animation, things like that."
[jobs]|15:06 Gunther says, "so I am beholden to both Apple and NGM to keep them around in perpetuity. Which won't happen."
[music]|15:06 josh_g says, "I just snagged an iRig for less than half price over eBay ... here's hoping it wasn't a scam"
[music]|15:07 josh_g says, "the inspiration was discovering a Guitar MIDI iOS app; plug guitar into audio in, it does the analysis and sends out MIDI"
[jobs]|15:07 Grocible says, "i just think it's sad that ebooks formats are so limited"
[music]|15:07 josh_g says, "I've tested it with just a mic for now, and it's passable (considering I'm using a horrible iPod earbud mic)"
[jobs]|15:08 Grocible says, "they're like HTML 1.0 pages"
[music]|15:08 josh_g says, "so if all goes well, I will soon be able to combine my need to keep practicing guitar with my desire to make weird synthesizer sounds"
[gripe]|15:08 jenrexrode says, "wow, I've been on eBay for nearly 15 years"
[jobs]|15:08 Allen asks, "do they not render pdf?"
[jobs]|15:09 Gunther says (to Grocible), "depends on the book"
[jobs]|15:09 Grocible says, "pdf has its own problems"
[gripe]|15:09 josh_g says, "wow, eBay's been around for 15 yearsw"
[gripe]|15:09 josh_g says, "-w"
[jobs]|15:09 Gunther says, "The Magic of Reality has pictures, animations, games, ...."
[jobs]|15:09 Steve says (to Matthew), "#belated I subscribe to Under the Radar and Spin over Zinio.  Both music magazines, nothing tech"
[gripe]|15:10 Allen says, "I used ebay for more times in its first 2 years than I have in the past 12"
[jobs]|15:10 Steve says, "Both are exact reproductions of the print magazine, although Under the Radr includes more full-page photos in the stories, and puts a digital supplement at the end with some extra reviews and interviews"
[jobs]|15:10 Matthew says, "One thing I don't like about articles is how much white space is in them.  A third of the page is just blank, which seems really excessive to me."
[gripe]|15:12 jenrexrode | The online auction website was founded as AuctionWeb in San Jose, California, on September 5, 1995
[jobs]|15:12 vimes says (to matthew), "this is an interesting article about digital typography: http://informationarchitects.net/blog/responsive-typography-the-basics/ "
[gripe]|15:12 jenrexrode asks, "and I've been a member since 10/01/1995!?"
[gripe]|15:13 jenrexrode says, "no, 1997"
[vimesical]|15:14 vimes says, "what the heck, all my keybinding muscle memory went away for like ten seconds"
[gripe]|15:14 Allen asks, "does it tell you someplace?"
[gripe]|15:14 jenrexrode says, "yeah, if you click on your username"
[gripe]|15:15 Allen | Member since: Dec-09-98
[vimesical]|15:15 inky says, "weird"
[gripe]|15:16 K-Y says, "I know off the top of my head that I joined in 2005"
[gripe]|15:16 vimes says, "i'm a youngun: Jun-08-99"
[gripe]|15:16 Gunther says, "Oct 10 1998"
[gripe]|15:17 K-Y says, "and have bought 30 or so things since then"
[gripe]|15:17 jenrexrode says, "apparently i've bought 90+"
[gripe]|15:17 genericgeekgirl says, "Nov-29-01"
[vimesical]|15:19 Jota says, "Perhaps you had some kind of digital stroke."
[gripe]|15:19 jenrexrode says, "one day ebay notified me that I could pick my username, and I went so fast to type 'guppy' and got it.  For years I got people trying to reset my password."
[gripe]|15:19 dfan says, "Aug-09-99"
[gripe]|15:20 K-Y says, "I was joining the mud back when people were joining ebay"
[gripe]|15:20 K-Y says, "evidently"
[gripe]|15:21 Doug says, "I work"
[gripe]|15:21 Doug says, "uh"
[gripe]|15:21 Doug says, "I work for eBay, and I still don't have an eBay account"
[gripe]|15:22 jenrexrode says, "haha"
[lounge]|15:22 jayellem was your mother much upon these years that you are now a maid, etc.
[lounge]|15:22 Roger goes home.
[lounge]|15:22 * Roger has disconnected.
[gripe]|15:22 Doug says, "technically I work for PayPal, but the checks come from eBay"
[gripe]|15:22 Doug says, "but I've had a PayPal account since 2000 I think"
[tangent]|15:23 Jota asks, "Whoa, ifMUD has been around for 15 years?"
[tangent]|15:23 lpsmith exclaims, "That's half a BttF jump!"
[donuts]|15:27 BrenBarn says, "I got a white with coconut"
[donuts]|15:27 BrenBarn says, "tasty!"
[donuts]|15:27 inky says, "well-played, sir"
[donuts]|15:27 BrenBarn says, "getting donuts is too easy"
[gripe]|15:28 inky says, "hmm"
[gripe]|15:28 inky asks, "is there an option to get your paychecks deposited directly into your paypal account?"
[gripe]|15:28 Doug says, "apparently that has been asked, but nobody knows"
[gripe]|15:29 jenrexrode says, "I wouldn't try it, you might get paid in old PEZ dispensers"
[gripe]|15:30 Doug says, "also, there are several product managers who want our 'resources' (i.e. the developers on my team) and I suggested we hold an auction.  but nobody seemed to think that was as great an idea as I did"
[stevejobs]|15:33 Steve says, "Online app is done.  This is a lot of work for a job I might not even take"
[stevejobs]|15:34 Steve says, "At least I have contacted all of my references, though, so I can use them again in the near future"
[lounge]|15:38 Richie ambles off.
[TSD]|15:39 borowski says, "The North Carolina Gay + Lesbian Film Festival has expanded to 10 days! Bigger, longer and more satisfying!"
[TSD]|15:39 borowski says, "Err, I meant to | that quote."
[personals]|15:41 BrenBarn says, "there is a user called HelpImInBuffalo"
[personals]|15:41 inky says, "ha ha"
[personals]|15:42 vimes says, "Buffalo HelpImInBuffalo Buffalo Buffalo HelpImInBuffalo Buffalo HelpImInBuffalo Buffalo Buffalo"
[personals]|15:43 BrenBarn says, "hooray"
[personals]|15:43 BrenBarn asks, "it also reminds me of the joke: what did the newspaper editor become after she was eaten by the cannibal chief?"
[personals]|15:43 BrenBarn says, "editor-in-chief"
[personals]|15:43 vimes says, "hee hee"
[lounge]|15:43 BrenBarn says, "oops, time to go"
[lounge]|15:43 BrenBarn says, "adios"
[lounge]|15:43 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[lounge]|15:44 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[religion]|15:44 Allen | Holy hoax: Radical Islamists call on Egypt to destroy pyramids
[quotebooks]|15:47 dfan says, "It looks like I really missed something with IfMaster"
[quotebooks]|15:49 inky says, "man, I'd forgotten about that guy"
[yak]|15:51 dfan says, "Ha ha"
[yak]|15:51 dfan says, "I guess no one changed the topic of this channel"
[yak]|15:52 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|15:53 Roger is not only both Deathstroke and a minion of Darkseid, he also apparently rules Bartertown with Master Blaster.
[lounge]|15:56 SteW arrives from the east.
[lounge]|15:57 SteW goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|15:57 SteW arrives from the Toyshop, pants full of Monopoly money.
[religion]|15:58 olethros says, "really? ha ha"
[quotebooks]|15:59 Matthew says, "That was a special day."
[celebrities]|16:02 Matthew says, "Oh hey, Richard Garriott apparently had a baby with his wife today."
[tangent]|16:02 SteW says, "Hello Tangenty People"
[celebrities]|16:03 borowski says, "Neat. I haven't thought about that guy in a long time."
[tangent]|16:04 Jearl says, "that's what we are"
[tangent]|16:04 SteW says, "Yeah. So,,,"
[lounge]|16:05 Jizaboz paddles away.
[tangent]|16:05 SteW says, "How have things been going around here lately"
[tangent]|16:06 Jearl says, "sorry, still trying to calculate the right inflection here"
[tangent]|16:07 Jearl says, "this day has not been differentiable from other thursdays"
[tangent]|16:09 SteW says, "I never could get the hang of thursdays."
[jobs]|16:10 Allen | Accountant Claims Wrongful Termination Essentially Because Her Job Was Too Hard
[jobs]|16:10 Allen | This has been one hell of a day for ridiculous lawsuits. We've already dealt with Octomoms turned strippers and thick girls who want to go to law school. Now we've got an office worker who claims that the pressure of her job led to her heart condition. Accountant Tammy Armstrong is claiming wrongful termination and intentional infliction of emotional distress because her employer asked her to do a lot of work.
[jobs]|16:10 Allen | She also wants to be paid overtime because her employer had the audacity to claim her as a salaried worker and then paid her a salary.
[jobs]|16:11 Allen | In her complaint against her former employer, Armstrong alleges that I-Behavior classified her as a salaried employee ineligible for overtime under the Fair Labor Standards Act, but then (and I'm quoting from the complaint) she was "regularly required to work far in excess of 40 hours per week."
[jobs]|16:12 Jearl says, "I'm waiting for some reason to agree with the author about something"
[jobs]|16:12 Allen asks, "really?"
[jobs]|16:12 Jearl asks, "is their point that salaried workers cannot possibly be overworked?"
[jobs]|16:12 Jearl says, "I mean, I am reading this paste in good faith"
[jobs]|16:12 inky says, "hmm"
[jobs]|16:13 Jearl says, "and assuming they will lay out their assumptions rather than, well, just assume them"
[jobs]|16:13 inky says, "legally I don't think overtime-ineligible workers can be overworked"
[jobs]|16:13 Allen | http://abovethelaw.com/2012/07/accountant-claims-wrongful-termination-essentially-because-her-job-was-too-hard/
[jobs]|16:13 inky says, "but I bet in practice if you are required to work "far in excess of 40 hours a week" then a lot of the time you aren't actually overtime-ineligible because you're being micromanaged"
[jobs]|16:13 Allen says, "above the law, if you don't know it, is a sarcastic legal humor/commentary site"
[hardware]|16:14 borowski asks, "A few days ago, my USB external hard drive suddenly stopped being detected. It still spins up and the light comes on. It's under warranty for replacement, but is there any hope of data recovery?"
[jobs]|16:14 Jearl says, "welp it looks played pretty stright so far, as I am reading"
[jobs]|16:14 Jearl says, "and at this point the neo-feudalists in our culture are totally saying things like this with stright faces"
[lounge]|16:14 SteW goes southwest to play with toys.
[jobs]|16:14 inky says, "yeah, if you read onwards, she's arguing that she shouldn't have been classified as exempt"
[jobs]|16:14 inky says, "which is a totally reasonable argument"
[lounge]|16:15 SteW enters the Lounge in search of his pal Foot Foot.
[tangent]|16:15 SteW says, "well"
[jobs]|16:15 inky says, "(I don't know whether she is or not, but it's a reasonable argument to make for non-managers)"
[jobs]|16:15 Allen says, "it's not really. The law is broad and vague enough that it covers pretty much any job"
[jobs]|16:16 inky says, "also, this guy's argument is basically "hey, if she's being exploited by not being paid overtime, then lots of other people are also being exploited! how ridiculous!""
[videogames]|16:16 Gunther says, "oh Geralt, you really are the best"
[videogames]|16:17 Gunther says, "Enraged guy: "I'll kill A first, and then B! Or maybe the other way around? What do you suggest?""
[videogames]|16:17 Gunther says, "Me: "to shut up""
[videogames]|16:17 inky says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|16:17 Gunther says, "Geralt: "I advise you to shut up""
[videogames]|16:17 Gunther says, "(not dialogue I picked, he just said it)"
[jobs]|16:18 Allen | The job duties of the traditional "learned professions" are exempt. These include lawyers, doctors, dentists, teachers, architects, clergy. Also included are registered nurses (but not LPNs), accountants (but not bookkeepers), engineers (who have engineering degrees or the equivalent and perform work of the sort usually performed by licensed professional engineers), actuaries, scientists (but not technicians), pharmacists, and other employees who perform work requiring "advanced knowledge" similar to that historically associated with the traditional learned professions.
[jobs]|16:18 Allen | Professionally exempt work means work which is predominantly intellectual, requires specialized education, and involves the exercise of discretion and judgment. Professionally exempt workers must have education beyond high school, and usually beyond college, in fields that are distinguished from (more "academic" than) the mechanical arts or skilled trades.
[jobs]|16:19 Allen says, "there are other categories of exemption too"
[jobs]|16:19 inky says, "right, her argument is she isn't able to exercise discretion and judgement"
[jobs]|16:20 inky says, "which, again, I don't know if it's true, but if your boss is micro-managing you, then it seems like it would be true"
[jobs]|16:20 Allen | An exempt employee has virtually "no rights at all" under the FLSA overtime rules.  Nothing in the FLSA prohibits an employer from requiring exempt employees to "punch a clock," or work a particular schedule, or "make up" time lost due to absences. Nor does the FLSA limit the amount of work time anemployer may require or expect from any employee, on any
[jobs]|16:21 GDorn says, "exempt should work both ways."
[jobs]|16:21 GDorn says, "sure, I don't get paid overtime, but if I can do my job in 20 hours, that's that."
[jobs]|16:21 Steve says, "It kind of essentially is that way, so long as you can look busy"
[jobs]|16:22 GDorn says, "once you make punching a clock a requirement, it no longer works that way."
[jobs]|16:22 Jearl says, "I guess I'm not sure what the argument is, because I am very distracted and upset by the snide tone"
[jobs]|16:22 GDorn says, "yeah, this 'article' is basically straight-up bashing her for complaining about being overworked."
[jobs]|16:23 Jearl says, "like, maybe she's a bad accountant, or maybe the workload was in excess of what 99% of accountants could perform and stay healthy"
[jobs]|16:23 Allen says, "if you know Above the Law, that's what they do"
[jobs]|16:23 inky says, "(also, if she actually has a documented medical condition, it seems like 'not being yelled at' is a reasonable accommodation her boss should provide)"
[jobs]|16:23 Jearl says, "it's premature to just bash the complainer, especially in this really gendered way"
[jobs]|16:23 GDorn says, "waiting for the followup argument that she should have just gotten another job."
[jobs]|16:23 Whizzard says, "I dunno. I find it strikes too close to home to really be funny."
[jobs]|16:24 Jearl asks, "well, why do you read this garbage, it sounds like they make the world a worse place?"
[jobs]|16:24 Allen says, "cause it's amusing"
[jobs]|16:24 Jearl says, "ew"
[tangent]|16:24 SteW says, "I better go for a moment"
[jobs]|16:24 Whizzard says, "Sorry, don't mean to pile on, or anything. Just that I've long had grievances with being salaried."
[tangent]|16:25 SteW says, "gotta do something financial"
[videogames]|16:25 boucher says, "Yeah, I love it when an in-game character and I are of a like mind and it plays out exactly as I would have done"
[jobs]|16:25 GDorn asks, "isn't salaried the norm for college-educated people?"
[lounge]|16:25 SteW goes home.
[jobs]|16:25 GDorn asks, "and therefore likely the norm for ifmud?"
[jobs]|16:25 Allen says, "that or contract work or self-employed"
[jobs]|16:25 Whizzard says, "Norm <> Good."
[jobs]|16:25 Whizzard says (to Norm), "Sorry, man."
[jobs]|16:25 GDorn says, "oh, not saying it is"
[jobs]|16:26 inky says, "ha ha"
[jobs]|16:26 Whizzard says, "Well, it's just that I hate the argument of "That's how it is.""
[jobs]|16:26 Jearl says, "srsly fuck that guy"
[jobs]|16:26 inky says, "everybody knows his name, and thinks he's a jerk"
[jobs]|16:26 GDorn says, "'exempt' is fundamentally broken"
[videogames]|16:26 boucher says, "There's also the reverse fourth-wall-breaking case, where a videogame character is glad you were thinking what he was."
[jobs]|16:26 inky says, "I think that was Allen's point earlier"
[jobs]|16:26 inky says, "that it's based on a model where most people are blue-collar workers"
[jobs]|16:27 GDorn says, "exempt is basically saying that all of these worker protections don't apply to a certain class of people, for some reason, and most of us are in that class."
[videogames]|16:27 boucher says, "Like Max Payne, where you find yourself stuck in an elevator listening to muzak, and if you shoot out the speaker, Max thanks you for it."
[jobs]|16:27 GDorn asks, "what do we actually get in exchange for the loss of these protections?"
[jobs]|16:28 baf says, "White-collar jobs."
[jobs]|16:28 inky says, "theoretically, what you get is autonomy"
[jobs]|16:28 Whizzard says (to GDorn), "College loans."
[jobs]|16:29 Allen asks (of GDorn), "a big honking salary! Did you miss the part that it only applies people who make more than $23,000??"
[jobs]|16:29 GDorn says, "regarding autonomy, where I am now, I'm not technically punching a clock, but if I started working 11-7, as a friend here sometimes does, I'd get warnings"
[jobs]|16:30 GDorn says, "haha"
[jobs]|16:30 Allen says, "23 big ones. 230 C-notes a year"
[jobs]|16:30 inky says, "hmm"
[jobs]|16:30 Allen says, "it's possible no one has adjusted that number in 40 years or so"
[jobs]|16:30 inky says, "I wonder if that 23k number adjusts for inflation or something"
[jobs]|16:30 inky says, "timing"
[lounge]|16:30 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|16:30 Ellison says, "hey all"
[lounge]|16:31 borowski says, "Hey Ellison"
[lounge]|16:31 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[tangent]|16:32 GDorn says, "some other weirdly broken law I was looking at the other day with a locked-in dollar figure made me think that lawmakers didn't understand inflation or how to legislate inflating values until relatively recently"
[jobs]|16:32 Allen says, "see a post from 2004 that gives the exact same figure, $23,600"
[jobs]|16:32 inky says, "man"
[lounge]|16:35 Prompter opens a book and touches the moving picture within, then vanishes.
[jobs]|16:36 K-Y says, "I am familiar with Above the Law"
[jobs]|16:36 K-Y says, "it's terrible"
[jobs]|16:36 Allen says, "it's snarky"
[politics]|16:36 DorianX says, "maine governor tries to backpedal from calling the IRS the gestapo, fails"
[jobs]|16:36 Allen says, "it was started by that federal prosecutor guy who was pretending to be a woman in that other blog"
[politics]|16:36 DorianX says, "He went for "What I meant is, the holocaust was really bad, and the IRS isn;'t that bad... yet""
[jobs]|16:37 Jearl says, "the thing with snark is, it's like all other comedy, in that it's funny when it attacks the powerful. It's just cruelty when it's turned on the underdog"
[jobs]|16:38 K-Y asks, "Mystal?"
[jobs]|16:38 K-Y says, "Mystal is also terrible"
[jobs]|16:38 inky says (to Allen), "hmm, that sounds vaguely familiar"
[jobs]|16:39 Allen says, "David Lat or something like that"
[jobs]|16:39 Allen says, "he had to resign when it got revealed"
[lounge]|16:39 ctate spent last year enabling bioelectromagnetic synergies.
[lounge]|16:39 ctate says, "hi folks"
[lounge]|16:39 Ellison says, "hey ctate"
[jobs]|16:40 K-Y says, "the thing is"
[jobs]|16:40 K-Y says, "I can't walk two steps without tripping over bitter law graduates with gossip and axes to grind"
[jobs]|16:41 GDorn says, "loweringthebar.net is pretty good, for a snarky law blog"
[jobs]|16:41 K-Y says, "so, well, snark is cheap"
[jobs]|16:41 K-Y says, "or at least minimum-waged"
[jobs]|16:42 Allen says, "it looks like the $23,600 limit wsa in the news in 2004 because the Bush administration tried to raise it, and congress blocked it"
[college]|16:42 olethros says, "ok, I have now accepted the aberdeen post"
[jobs]|16:42 Allen says, "it's been there ever since"
[jobs]|16:42 Allen says, "so that implies it does change every now and then"
[college]|16:42 olethros says, "I put a caveat that I would like them to have some kind of flexible work-location arrangement"
[jobs]|16:43 Allen says (to GDorn), "posts are too infrequent"
[apropos-of-nothing]|16:43 inky | Returns information in an XML-like format that does not conform to an XML Schema Definition (XSD) schema.
[college]|16:43 K-Y says, "from Aberdeen to Zberdeen"
[college]|16:43 K-Y says, "all are available"
[jobs]|16:44 Allen says, "oh, no, Congress didn't block it"
[jobs]|16:44 Allen says, "wow, the rate was REALLY low before 2004"
[jobs]|16:45 Allen says, "REALLY low"
[jobs]|16:45 GDorn | Generally, an employer who does at least $500,000 of business or gross sales in a year satisfies the commerce requirements of the FLSA, and therefore that employer's workers will be subject to the FLSA's protections if none of the other exemptions apply.
[jobs]|16:45 Allen says, "from 1975 until 2004, it was unchanged. You were a white-collar worker if you made more than $8000 a year"
[jobs]|16:46 Allen says, "2004 news report:"
[jobs]|16:46 inky says, "man"
[jobs]|16:46 Allen | DOL said that raising the threshold guarantees overtime pay rights to 6.7 million American workers who earn a weekly salary between $155 (the former minimum salary for the white-collar exemptions' now eliminated executive and administra- tive long tests) and $455 (the new threshold).
[jobs]|16:46 GDorn | What cost $8000 in 1975 would cost $32050.22 in 2010.
[college]|16:47 olethros says, "I don't have much hope - I'd still need to supervise phd students, and be physically there to teach most of the semester"
[jobs]|16:47 GDorn says, "so, not only not keeping up with inflation, but even if it did, that's still not a lot."
[jobs]|16:47 GDorn says, "though at least it's a living wage in some places"
[jobs]|16:49 Allen says, "I guess the main thing is that the DOL sets the rate every few years, and there's no COL adjustment"
[jobs]|16:49 Allen says, "s/years/decades"
[jobs]|16:49 Allen says, "or s/every few years/a couple times a century/'"
[google]|16:50 GDorn says (to Plus), "you can turn off that notification now, I've read it like four hours ago."
[news]|16:51 Doug says, "Digg 'was purchased by Betaworks for $500,000 with the intended to fold the site into News.me'"
[news]|16:52 Ellison says, "huh"
[news]|16:52 Doug | Betaworks is acquiring a website that still has a well known brand and sizable audience of more than 7 million visitors per month as of May, according to comScore.
[news]|16:52 inky asks, "digg's kind of tanking, isn't it?"
[news]|16:53 inky says, "I had the impression that digg patriots stuff soured people on it, but maybe that isn't really the case"
[lounge]|16:54 Johnny insisted that the mobile hot-dog-on-a-bun did nothing wrong.
[D&D]|16:54 katre says, "successful end to my hexcrawl campaign last night"
[D&D]|16:54 inky says, "woo"
[lounge]|16:54 Johnny says, "Yo"
[D&D]|16:55 katre says, "they managed to find the ancient relic and appease Pelor, and not get killed by the gelatinous cube"
[lounge]|16:55 borowski says, "Hey Johnny"
[news]|16:55 Doug says, "well, $500k is a very small amount of monay"
[news]|16:55 Doug says, "money"
[lounge]|16:55 Johnny says, "Hi borowski"
[D&D]|16:55 katre says, "they figured a great idea was to stand outside the door and stab at the cube. they didn't realize it's an ooze and can squeeze through"
[D&D]|16:55 olethros asks, "d&d on with hex battles?"
[D&D]|16:55 katre says (to olethrous), "overland wilderness exploration"
[D&D]|16:56 dfan says, "Wait a second"
[D&D]|16:56 katre says, "no battlemat or minis"
[D&D]|16:56 dfan says, "How does a gelatinous cube fit in a hex"
[D&D]|16:56 olethros says, "ha ha"
[D&D]|16:56 inky says, "ha ha ha"
[D&D]|16:56 GDorn asks, "was this a semi-random terrain generator?"
[news]|16:56 inky says, "true"
[jobs]|16:56 Allen says, "found it"
[D&D]|16:56 dfan | 5 results for gelatinous hexagonal prism
[D&D]|16:56 katre says (to gdorn), "nothing semi about it"
[lounge]|16:57 jenrexrode says, "hi"
[lounge]|16:57 Johnny says, "Hi jen"
[jobs]|16:57 Allen says, "the bill was passed in 1937. I can't find info yet on what the standard was then, but in 1949 it was raised to $100 a week"
[jobs]|16:57 Allen says, "then in 1975 to $155"
[jobs]|16:57 inky says, "man"
[google]|16:58 jenrexrode says, "I know, it was doing that to me today, too, until I reloaded the tab."
[begood]|16:58 Johnny says, "Hard Reset Extended Edition is 75% off in the Steam summer sale. $3.75."
[jobs]|16:58 GDorn | What cost $100 in 1949 would cost $904.58 in 2010.
[jobs]|16:58 Allen says, "both in 49 and 75 those limits matched a particular "inflation-adjusted salary test""
[begood]|16:58 Johnny says, "There's an achievement called "Chinese Farmer"."
[jobs]|16:59 GDorn says, "still, if it had actually kept up with inflation, that'b be just shy of $50k in today's dollars"
[jobs]|16:59 Allen says, "the equivalent today is a weekly salary of around $1100"
[begood]|16:59 Ellison says, "oh yeah, that game looks good. doubt my computer can handle it, though."
[tangent]|16:59 borowski | What cost $200 in 1800 would cost $97.88 in 1900.
[begood]|16:59 Johnny says, "Yeah, maybe not."
[tangent]|17:00 borowski asks, "I wonder what caused the deflation. The Civil War?"
[tangent]|17:00 Allen says, "the industrial revolution"
[begood]|17:00 Johnny says, "Although, you could always use another pseudonym."
[tangent]|17:00 jenrexrode says, "oh, i eas gonna say that"
[begood]|17:00 Johnny asks (of ChineseFarmer), "Right?"
[lounge]|17:00 dfan was up to his irresistably broad shoulders in trouble.
[tangent]|17:00 Allen says, "it was inherently deflationary"
[tangent]|17:00 borowski says, "Ah, that would have had a major effect on the price of goods."
[tangent]|17:00 Allen says, "that was the problem with why farmers wanted a silver standard, to force inflation"
[tangent]|17:01 Allen says, "William Jennings Bryan's Cross of Gold"
[tangent]|17:01 Allen says, "made famous by the later adventure of Young Indiana Jones and the Cross of Gold"
[blokes]|17:01 inky says, "I wonder who invented the panel divider between urinals"
[lounge]|17:02 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, vivid gold this time of day.
[blokes]|17:02 inky says, "though I guess maybe it's just natural evolution"
[blokes]|17:02 katre asks, "have you ever used the trough-style?"
[blokes]|17:02 borowski says, "A shy pee-er."
[blokes]|17:02 Johnny says, "A time traveler from the future with a smart phone."
[blokes]|17:02 katre says, "anyone would come up with the panel divider after that"
[blokes]|17:02 inky says, "hee hee"
[blokes]|17:02 Allen says, "oh man, trough-style urinals. Those bothered me so much why I was a shy kid"
[blokes]|17:02 Allen says, "I couldn't make it go"
[blokes]|17:03 inky says, "I'm thinking the evolution is like peeing outside -> peeing in troughs -> peeing in individual urinals -> peeing in individual urinals separated by panels"
[blokes]|17:03 Johnny says, "What? Just focus on melting the ice."
[blokes]|17:03 borowski says, "heh"
[blokes]|17:03 inky says, "-> peeing in fully-enclosed areas we could call "stalls""
[blokes]|17:03 borowski says, "Wait a minute... troughs, stalls..."
[blokes]|17:03 inky says, "wait, I take it back"
[blokes]|17:04 Allen says, "but now, they don't bother me. I just repeat the little mantra that the strength of my stream is a reflection of my manliness. I pull on that instinctual power that let me win several peeing distance contests as a kid (with friends, I wasn't that shy)"
[blokes]|17:04 inky says, "the actual next step is -> pants come with built-in urine containers"
[blokes]|17:04 inky says (to Allen), "ha ha"
[blokes]|17:04 Gunther asks, "um, spacesuits?"
[blokes]|17:04 inky says, "hell yeah"
[blokes]|17:04 Allen says, "sadly, it's been so many years since I had an opportunity, as an adult, to try to get that perfect 45-degree upward angle for maximal distance"
[blokes]|17:05 Ellison says, "I thought it was funny, at the stadium, too, where the trough was just down in the ground. it was just a step away from peeing in the shower, it seemed."
[blokes]|17:05 Doug says, "-> genetic engineering to prefectly recycle all waste"
[blokes]|17:05 Doug says, "perfectly"
[blokes]|17:05 inky says (to Allen), "nobody says you have to stand right in front of the urinal"
[blokes]|17:06 borowski says, "haha"
[blokes]|17:06 Ellison says, "I wonder when they'll have mirrored dividers so you can spend the time checking out your own junk"
[CCG]|17:06 baf says, "Woo! I actually won a round of the lunchtime Avacyn Restored draft."
[blokes]|17:06 borowski says, "I was going to suggest going camping, but that works too."
[CCG]|17:06 inky asks, "what does it mean to win a draft?"
[CCG]|17:06 baf says, "with my mono blue flying/soulbound deck."
[CCG]|17:06 inky says, "oh, aha"
[CCG]|17:06 inky says, "cool beans"
[lounge]|17:06 ctate would love to watch a sporking contest, preferably involving berry pie.
[CCG]|17:08 baf says (to inky), "In a draft, a bunch of people get together with a bunch of opened booster packs and pick them according to various rules, then pit the decks so constructed against each other."
[CCG]|17:08 K-Y says, "woo"
[CCG]|17:08 baf says, "So when I say I won a round, it means the cards I chose are better than the cards anothre person chose."
[blokes]|17:08 Dave says, "Chicago has a lot of trough urinals"
[blokes]|17:08 Dave says, "Wrigley Field is 100% trough"
[CCG]|17:09 inky says, "oh, I see"
[CCG]|17:09 inky says, "I thought the draft was the part where you select the cards and then the playing them part was later"
[blokes]|17:10 Dave says, "I've been in a gay club where there were mirrors"
[CCG]|17:10 baf says, "Also, at the end, you gather up all the rares, and the person who won the most matches gets first pick of them, the person who came in second gets second pick, etc."
[blokes]|17:10 Allen says (to inky), "oh man, that reminds me of a guy in our NY office that used to come down now and then"
[blokes]|17:11 Allen says, "he'd stand about a foot and half from the urinal"
[CCG]|17:11 inky says, "hmm"
[blokes]|17:11 Allen says, "when asked, he said it was unsanitary, and he didn't want to be near it"
[blokes]|17:11 Allen says, "so instead, it'd just splash everywhere"
[CCG]|17:11 inky asks, "but you also have a deck coming in?"
[blokes]|17:11 Dave says, "there's a running joke about how filthy the 7th floor men's room gets here"
[blokes]|17:11 Allen says, "people    avoided being in the restroom at the same time"
[blokes]|17:11 inky says (to Allen), "eeeagh"
[blokes]|17:11 Dave says, "for some reason, there's a collective bad aim"
[CCG]|17:12 baf says, "You get to keep the cards you picked other than the rares."
[blokes]|17:12 Allen says, "I gotta say, our restrooms here on 30 are great. They send a cleaning crew through several times a day. It smells fresh. And the stalls are nearly full-length floor to ceiling, with nice wooden doors"
[CCG]|17:12 K-Y says, "I think if you do it in a store, there are additional packs as prizes"
[CCG]|17:12 baf says, "(You start off by pitching in the cost of three booster packs.)"
[CCG]|17:13 baf says, "Here, there are additional packs that you can buy from the guy who bought the packs, because he bought a whole box of them and there are extras."
[CCG]|17:13 inky says, "I feel like I am missing something obvious here"
[blokes]|17:13 Ellison says, "nice"
[CCG]|17:13 baf says, "(But obviously you don't mix those in with the ones you drafted.)"
[CCG]|17:13 inky says, "you come in with no cards at all, and you pay some money, and then you take turns picking cards from a big central pile"
[CCG]|17:13 K-Y says (to inky), "you build the decks on the spot"
[CCG]|17:14 inky asks, "and then you play with those cards, and then at the end you keep your cards except for the rares, which are distributed as prizes?"
[CCG]|17:14 K-Y says, "but you pick cards by packing the packs around in some order"
[CCG]|17:14 K-Y says, "er, passing"
[CCG]|17:14 baf says, "Right."
[CCG]|17:14 K-Y says, "e.g. take a card, pass to the left"
[CCG]|17:15 lpsmith says, "So if you wanted a ton of uncommons, you just load up your deck with nothing but those, lose, and leave with all of them."
[CCG]|17:16 Gunther says, "and if you want to play a draft game without falling into the CCG trap, you can play 7 Wonders"
[apropos-of-nothing]|17:16 GDorn | http://www.tannr.com/herp-derp-youtube-comments/
[CCG]|17:16 baf says, "Right. Since I am not a skilled player, I generally view the whole thing as a way to make a game of buying cards."
[CCG]|17:16 K-Y says, "well, rhere are 3 uncommons per pack"
[CCG]|17:16 baf says, "Also, everyone gets rares at the end."
[CCG]|17:16 K-Y says, "of 15"
[CCG]|17:16 baf says, "It's just that the winner gets the rares he actually wants."
[CCG]|17:16 lpsmith asks, "Oh, you have to pick a pack, not individual cards?"
[CCG]|17:16 K-Y says, "that is why they are uncommon"
[CCG]|17:17 baf says, "Every booster pack contains exactly one rare."
[CCG]|17:17 lpsmith says, "Right; I was thinking you were picking cards, not packs."
[CCG]|17:17 K-Y says (to lpsmith), "you do that if it's sealed deck"
[irony]|17:17 Gunther | Why Dune references like 'Rakkis'? Couldn't they just come up with their own unique original name?
[CCG]|17:17 baf says, "And you play with 3 boosters per person, so everyone gets three rares at the end."
[irony]|17:17 Gunther | Posted by: DrWho
[CCG]|17:17 K-Y says, "in draft, you pick cards *from* packs"
[CCG]|17:18 baf says, "You are picking cards."
[CCG]|17:18 lpsmith says, "Oh, well then."
[CCG]|17:18 lpsmith says, "So, right:  only pick uncommons."
[CCG]|17:18 Gunther says, "hence, 7 Wonders."
[CCG]|17:18 K-Y says, "but you are passing the packs around"
[CCG]|17:18 lpsmith says, "Then you get to keep them all."
[CCG]|17:19 baf says (to lpsmith), "Sure, but they're all uncommons."
[CCG]|17:19 K-Y says, "several other people will have their pick from the same pack before you get your next pick"
[CCG]|17:19 K-Y says, "(unless they're doing this differently)"
[irony]|17:19 inky says, "hee hee"
[CCG]|17:19 lpsmith says, "Hmm."
[CCG]|17:19 lpsmith asks, "Are people picking the rares to play with?"
[CCG]|17:19 inky says, "if you get to pick first from a pack, you might still want to pick an uncommon"
[CCG]|17:20 Gunther says, "the point is to pick a deck that works"
[CCG]|17:20 Gunther says, "not random rares/uncommons, which can easily be shitty"
[CCG]|17:20 inky says, "but if you're picking later then probably someone has earlier taken the rare already so you will at best get the uncommon"
[CCG]|17:20 Gunther says, "both on their own and in synergy"
[CCG]|17:20 lpsmith says (to Gunther), "If you want to win the tournament, sure."
[CCG]|17:20 baf says, "If you're saying 'Snrk, I can game this whole system and annoy everyone by not trying to win at all and instead just try to get cards slightly cheaper', then yes, you can do that."
[CCG]|17:21 inky asks (of Gunther), "but what if you want to win .. the game of life?"
[CCG]|17:21 Gunther says (to lpsmith), "also if you want to go home with usable cards"
[CCG]|17:21 baf says, "But if you're not interesting in playing and just want to save money, it would be a lot more effective to just not participate in the draft at all."
[CCG]|17:21 lpsmith says (to inky), "Better land on 'doctor', then."
[CCG]|17:21 inky says, "hee hee"
[CCG]|17:21 K-Y says (to inky), "then you pick life-gain cards"
[CCG]|17:21 Gunther says, "and yeah, if you want cheap cards, buy 1000 for $15"
[CCG]|17:22 K-Y says, "and lose because life-gain sucks"
[CCG]|17:22 inky says, "all the forests I could ever want"
[CCG]|17:22 inky says, "hmm, I assume someone has done a magic/settlers crossover where the lands are mapped to the hexes"
[CCG]|17:22 K-Y says, "at least in draft"
[CCG]|17:23 baf says, "To me, the interesting thing about draft play is that you wind up with a coherent deck, that you built, in a way that does not favor deep pockets."
[CCG]|17:23 Gunther says, " http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/68448/7-wonders "
[CCG]|17:24 baf says, "(And only slightly favors detailed knowledge of the cards.)"
[CCG]|17:24 Roger says, "It's a solid format and it can also work well with ante"
[CCG]|17:24 inky says, "it seems like there must be a lot of luck involved in the building, unless you get to see all the decks in advance or something"
[CCG]|17:24 inky says, "er, see all the packs in advance"
[CCG]|17:25 inky asks, "is land handled separately?"
[lounge]|17:25 josh_g will call him Pootel; Henry Pootel for short.
[security]|17:26 olethros says, "plaintext? wow"
[CCG]|17:26 baf says, "There is luck involved. Sometimes you start off trying to build a deck in a color that the guy on your left is also going for, so he picks out all the good cards in that color before passing to you. You have to be willing to change your plans in the middle of drafting."
[CCG]|17:26 two-star says, "Yeah, typically you can have as much of any type of basic land as you need."
[lounge]|17:26 jenrexrode says, "hi hi"
[CCG]|17:27 baf says, "(Fortunately, you don't have to use all the cards you drafted in your deck.)"
[lounge]|17:27 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|17:27 * Emily has disconnected.
[CCG]|17:28 K-Y says, "if some colors are conspicuously missing from a pack when you get it, you generally stop competing with the other people taking those colors"
[CCG]|17:28 baf says, "In fact, people sometimes draft cards that they don't intend to use just to keep other people from getting them."
[CCG]|17:29 K-Y says, "also you can come in with general knowledge like 'black is not good in Avacyn Restored'"
[CCG]|17:31 K-Y says, "or 'there are very few cards that kill creatures'"
[CCG]|17:32 K-Y says, "if you reall want to go nuts you can remember things like 'there are no cards that deal more than X damage to a creature'"
[CCG]|17:33 Gunther says, "(if you pay (1)(X), that is)"
[penny-arcade]|17:35 Gunther says, " http://penny-arcade.com/2012/07/11/updated-kickstarter "
[lounge]|17:35 olethros says, "I guess I will be zeding"
[lounge]|17:35 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[MST3K]|17:35 borowski | The meatball. 100% space technology.
[board-games]|17:45 Roger says, "Hrm, one of those things I keep discovering every few years and the forgetting about"
[board-games]|17:45 Roger says, "Barbarian Prince"
[board-games]|17:45 Gunther says, "there is a super nice remake of that out on BGG"
[board-games]|17:46 Roger says, "Hmm"
[board-games]|17:46 Gunther says, "also of Star Smuggler"
[board-games]|17:47 Gunther says, "Still a hard as nails unfair game tho"
[board-games]|17:48 Roger says, "I should imagine so"
[lounge]|17:58 McMartin says, "Whee"
[lounge]|17:58 McMartin says, "I thought my cold was coming back"
[lounge]|17:58 McMartin says, "Then I remembered that I had horseradish and pepperjack with lunch"
[lounge]|17:58 McMartin says, "One advantage of being a lightweight with respect to spices is that you can use delicious food in place of cough medicine"
[jobs]|18:01 Grocible says, "man I so do not miss working in Amerika"
[lounge]|18:01 Johnny does like justice, but that's taking it a bit far.
[lounge]|18:02 Doug goes home.
[jobs]|18:02 Grocible says, "the inherent assumption always seems to be you're lucky to have a job, so shut up and take it out join the line"
[jobs]|18:02 Grocible says, "versus this is a mutual relationship and you need to give and take on each side"
[lounge]|18:03 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:03 * boucher has connected.
[lounge]|18:04 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:04 * Marktwo has connected.
[lounge]|18:04 * boucher has disconnected.
[lounge]|18:04 * boucher has connected.
[jobs]|18:04 Jon says, "well, I think that varies a bit depending on the level of unemployment"
[jobs]|18:05 Jon says, "when unemployment is low, there's some elements of "you the employer are lucky to have me so you will put up with unionizing and stuff that the rest of the world accepts as the very basic employee rights'"
[jobs]|18:05 Jon says, "when unemployment is high, like it is now, there's less of that, for market reasons"
[jobs]|18:06 Grocible says, "right. so in every other developed country in the world, there are some basic employee protections in place"
[jobs]|18:06 zarf says, "in other words, it depends how lucky you actually *are* to have a job"
[jobs]|18:06 Jearl says, "I think there's an ideological component orthogonal to the strict supply and demand of labor"
[jobs]|18:07 DorianX asks (of grocible), "why do you hate our freedomz?"
[jobs]|18:07 Jearl says, "that privileges asset-wealth over wage-wealth"
[jobs]|18:07 Jearl says, "so the employer has a sort of moral high ground over the employee"
[jobs]|18:07 Jearl says, "this seems to be especially strong this time around in the business cycle"
[jobs]|18:08 DorianX says, "Just once, I want to see George sue Spacely's ass for wrongful dismissal"
[jobs]|18:08 Jon says (to Jearl), "I can see that."
[jobs]|18:08 zarf says, "I also am conditioned to the high-tech industry, where I have always had a lot of unspoken power -- I can walk away and throw a three-month delay into your schedule while you train a replacement"
[jobs]|18:08 Grocible says, "jearl: yeah"
[jobs]|18:09 Jearl says, "there's all this political rhetoric about 'job creators' as if the level of demand in th economy counts for nothing"
[jobs]|18:09 zarf says, "but then I know a guy who went into CGI animation, and he's like 'What? I have a union. Why don't you?'"
[jobs]|18:09 Jearl says, "and maybe in a global economy, it doesn't"
[jobs]|18:10 zarf says, "the political rhetoric about 'job creators' is unadulterated bullshit"
[jobs]|18:10 zarf says, "it has exactly the same level of relevance as 'regulatory uncertainty'"
[jobs]|18:10 zarf says, "this doesn't mean it has no *effect*, but it's very recent addition to the chalkboard"
[lounge]|18:16 Gunther is a game about well-bred young ladies firing improbable amounts of projectiles at each other for no immediately discernible reason.
[jobs]|18:18 Dave says, "the IT world is in a weird place...there's still a lot of nervousness about being unemployed, but the demand is high"
[lounge]|18:19 jayellem goes home.
[lounge]|18:22 Emily arrives.
[lounge]|18:22 Emily is in Boston
[penny-arcade]|18:23 K-Y says, "oh, okay"
[penny-arcade]|18:24 K-Y says, "I thought it was going to be something like 'we have already raised a bazillion dollars'"
[jobs]|18:25 baf says, "Also, as I've seen pointed out elsewhere, if you take the rhetoric about 'job creators' seriously, you'd have to conclude that they're seriously slacking off these days."
[jobs]|18:25 Emily says, "ha"
[jobs]|18:27 Grocible says, "not at all"
[jobs]|18:27 Grocible says, "you just blame the president"
[jobs]|18:27 DorianX says, "no no,if we just lower their taxes  a *little* mnore"
[jobs]|18:27 DorianX says, "See, they're not creating jobs because they *really* want to butthey are ascared thatobama will commit socialism on them"
[jobs]|18:27 K-Y says, "the other rhetoric is 'too much protection takes away people's freedom to degrade themselves for things they value more'"
[jobs]|18:27 zarf says, "please do not add to the stupidity"
[jobs]|18:28 Emily says, "yeah, I am experiencing a lot of survivor guilt right now"
[jobs]|18:28 Grocible says, "don't feel guilty"
[jobs]|18:28 Grocible says, "redistribute your wealth, in the form of cash, to your friends!"
[jobs]|18:29 Emily says, "in that I have a job where I could cost my employer a lot by walking, and have a tremendously good deal in all kinds of ways, and meanwhile my sister can't get a job pouring coffee"
[jobs]|18:29 Emily says (to Grocible), "well, I'm non-ironically supporting 1.25 family members right now"
[jobs]|18:29 lpsmith exclaims (at Emily), "Also, you are not in academia!"
[jobs]|18:29 Grocible says, "em: I know"
[jobs]|18:29 Grocible says, "you'll be like one of those folks sending remittances to Pakistan or Colombia"
[lounge]|18:30 Grocible says, "okay. this is crazy"
[lounge]|18:30 Grocible says, "I've just bought a plane ticket"
[lounge]|18:30 Grocible says, "it says "you can add a car!""
[jobs]|18:30 Emily says, "well, I don't know what exactly is going to happen to my sister when I move out -- I'd like to think she can find something because I don't think it's healthy for her to be totally living off someone else, even if it's not really that much of an imposition for me"
[lounge]|18:30 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|18:30 Grocible says, "so I look at adding a car"
[lounge]|18:30 inky asks, "does it go in the overhead compartment or what?"
[lounge]|18:30 Grocible says, "and doing it through them, versus lastminute.com, is double the price"
[gplus]|18:30 jenrexrode says, "even clicking through these switchbacks on the map of the climb of the Col de la Croix de Fer is difficult"
[lounge]|18:31 Grocible says, "no, it's one of those tiny Bombardier Canuckplanes. you have to put it in the hold"
[jobs]|18:31 lpsmith says (to Emily), "Take her with you when you move and hire her as a nanny."
[lounge]|18:31 inky says, "excellent"
[jobs]|18:31 inky says, "it's england so it'll have to be mary poppins cosplay"
[jobs]|18:31 inky says, "hmm, I guess that must exist"
[cabal]|18:31 Grocible says, "inky: don't get Adam excited!"
[jobs]|18:32 lpsmith says, "(note:  this plan may also involve taking in some orphans)"
[cabal]|18:32 Grocible says, "lpsmith: don't get Adam excited!"
[cabal]|18:32 lpsmith says, "Ha ha"
[cabal]|18:32 lpsmith says, "Also, I don't get the reference."
[cabal]|18:33 Grocible says, "it's not a reference per se...."
[jobs]|18:33 Jota says (to lps), "Little kids can be pretty gullible. Just tell them that you've got a pony and a merry-go-round, and they'll be totally taken in."
[jobs]|18:33 K-Y says, "little kids in *England*, on the other hand, will shank you"
[seattle]|18:34 Grocible says, ""Port of Seattle Recognizes Fly Quiet Award Winners At Sea-Tac Airport""
[seattle]|18:34 Grocible says, "I presume this is some sort of sick joke"
[seattle]|18:35 inky says, "they just didn't want to make a big deal about it"
[jobs]|18:35 inky asks, "how are you supposed to get your chimney swept then?"
[jobs]|18:36 Dave says, "I housed my brother Rob for about a year before giving him the "get a job or else" speech"
[jobs]|18:37 inky asks, "did he get one?"
[jobs]|18:37 Dave says, "he got a job and moved out within a few weeks"
[jobs]|18:37 Dave says, "the year was good for him though because he was seriously messed up"
[jobs]|18:37 Dave says, "he still says Irene and I saved his life"
[jobs]|18:38 Roger says, "I was more-or-less jobless for about a year after getting out the military"
[jobs]|18:38 Roger says, "It took me a lot longer to get everything sorted out, though"
[exercise]|18:41 Roger says, "I've never met Sargent but I seem to recall he sorta looks like this guy"
[exercise]|18:42 Roger | http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6158/insanitytriadsmall.jpg
[lounge]|18:42 Grocible says, "lastminute.com: the site where we never use uppercase letters, to save *you* money!"
[exercise]|18:43 inky says, "ha ha"
[exercise]|18:44 lpsmith says, "Yeah, Sarge is always wearing those style shorts."
[politics]|18:44 Allen | Why does it matter when Mitt Romney left Bain Capital?
[politics]|18:44 Allen | Millions of dollars of attack ads by the Obama campaign are hanging in the balance. If Romney left Bain in February 1999, when he departed to run the Olympics, then a number of business deals that went sour (such as KB Toys) can't be counted as part of Romney's tenure. If he actually left in 2002, as the Obama campaign alleges, then those deals are fair game.
[lounge]|18:45 Jizaboz surfs into the lounge on a yellow-stained board which looks too short.
[lounge]|18:45 Jizaboz says, "Good evening."
[politics]|18:45 K-Y says, "also, the cryptic crossword solution to 'when Mitt Romney left Bain Capital' becomes drastically different"
[I7]|18:45 Jizaboz says, "I seem to have encountered my first 'scope' issue. Very strange indeed."
[politics]|18:46 Allen | We're considering whether to once again take a deeper look at this, though it really feels like Groundhog Day again. There appears to be some confusion about how partnerships are structured and managed, or what SEC documents mean.
[jobs]|18:46 Dave says (to roger), "that's something I hadn't really considered...Robert was only a few years removed from Desert Storm"
[exercise]|18:46 Roger says, "Tangentially, I've listened to one of his podcasts, and I'll admit I was slightly-disappointed that he doesn't seem to have an accent"
[jobs]|18:46 Dave says, "and 4 years in the Marines"
[politics]|18:46 inky asks, "it feels like groundhog day all over again?"
[politics]|18:46 McMartin says, "SEC documents listing you as Chairman of the Board, CEO, and sole stockholder during the period would seem to be fairly unambiguous"
[cabal]|18:46 Grocible says, "man"
[I7]|18:46 Jizaboz says, "I have a container in one room that I can open and shut fine. However, when I place an object in it I get 'you can't reach that from (a room 2 rooms away)'"
[I7]|18:47 Jizaboz says, "Trying a different object now to see if it's just that object or any object"
[politics]|18:47 McMartin says, "I mean, I suppose it's possible that he's also admitting to felony misrepresentation on national TV, but it seems more likely that he'd tell the truth to the SEC and lie to the rubes, not the other way around"
[jobs]|18:47 Roger says, "I had a pretty cushy ride, all things considered, and it was still a mess.  Anyway, glad it's all worked out for the guy."
[politics]|18:48 Allen | Fortune obtained the offering documents for a Bain Capital Fund circulating in June 2000, as well as a fund in 2001. None of the documents show that Romney was listed as being among the "key investment professionals." As Fortune put it, "the contemporaneous Bain documents show that Romney was indeed telling the truth about no longer having operational input at Bain -- which, one should note, is different from no longer having legal or financial ties to the firm."
[I7]|18:48 Jizaboz says, "Hmm.. the other object does NOT throw the message. Interesting."
[politics]|18:48 McMartin says, "The claim isn't that he was a day trader, it's that he was the CEO"
[exercise]|18:48 Roger says, "Even further tangentially, I would guess there's some good reason to make a thumbs-in fist like that but it still makes him look like a tool."
[politics]|18:49 Allen | To accept some of the claims, one would have to believe that Romney, with the advice of his lawyers, lied on government documents and committed a criminal offense. Moreover, you would have to assume he willingly gave up his share to a few years of retirement earnings -- potentially worth millions of dollars -- so he could say his retirement started in 1999.
[jobs]|18:49 Grocible says, "paddling around in a canoe, fighting renegade beavers"
[I7]|18:49 Roger says, "Sounds like maybe it's more of a naming resolution issue potentially"
[politics]|18:49 McMartin asks, "From what I've actually been able to work out, he somehow backdated his retirement three years in 2002?"
[lounge]|18:50 Grocible says, "This is a very high-tech looking map: http://outreach.web.cern.ch/outreach/contacts/access-map.pdf "
[apropos-of-nothing]|18:53 Ellison asks, "are there other nice examples of IF ported to Flash, like the Hitchhiker's Guide thing?"
[politics]|18:54 inky says, "I wonder what the bain capital wikipedia page looks like"
[lounge]|18:54 Grocible says, "whoa: http://mediaarchive.cern.ch/MediaArchive/Photo/Public/2010/1005103/1005103_01/1005103_01-A4-at-144-dpi.jpg "
[lounge]|18:54 Grocible says, "if I were an evil overlord I would want my secret command centre to look like that"
[politics]|18:54 Allen says, "or its talk page"
[politics]|18:55 McMartin says, "Apparently Obama's deputy campaign manager has been tweeting links to post-1999 Bain documents Romney signed"
[lounge]|18:55 zarf asks, "Seriously what is that? And who at CERN ordered the Prisoner chairs?"
[lounge]|18:55 Grocible says, "it's a visitor centre"
[lounge]|18:56 McMartin says, "Our followup question is why the Higgs Boson appears to have resigned from its role in The Atom"
[lounge]|18:56 inky says, "ok, this is mega-awesome"
[lounge]|18:56 Grocible says, "normally it's filled with middle-aged Europeople I think: https://mediastream.cern.ch/MediaArchive/Photo/Public/2010/1006107/1006107_18/1006107_18-A4-at-144-dpi.jpg "
[lounge]|18:56 inky says, "at least, assuming these are giant eyeballs and not just chairs"
[lounge]|18:56 Grocible says, "Ah! Ah! And we say, FUCK YOU! to ze Earth!"
[lounge]|18:57 Jizaboz says, "Reminds me of "The Weirdo Zone" from Muppet Babies"
[lounge]|18:57 Grocible says, " http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1271707 "
[lounge]|18:58 Grocible says, "Funded by Rolex"
[lounge]|18:58 Grocible says, "designed by the makers of the BMW Museum"
[lounge]|18:58 zarf says, "As soon as I see that it's an expensive science museum exhibit, it all makes sense"
[lounge]|18:59 McMartin says, "Hooray for SCIENCE"
[lounge]|18:59 zarf says, "I'm just also saying: http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/prisoner2.jpg "
[lounge]|18:59 Grocible says, "yeah, that was exactly my first thought"
[lounge]|18:59 McMartin says, "The demands of SCIENCE!!! are arbitrary but also consistent over the decades"
[lounge]|19:01 Grocible says, "also, the German name for Geneva is so uncool looking"
[lounge]|19:01 Grocible says, "Genf"
[lounge]|19:01 Grocible says, "it's like some lesser dwarf"
[cycling]|19:01 jenrexrode says, "this descent off the Col de la Croix de Fer, at about 14K long, it amazing/scary"
[lounge]|19:02 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[lounge]|19:02 K-Y says, "re"
[lounge]|19:03 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|19:04 Grocible says, ""Can we eat at CERN?""
[I7]|19:04 Jizaboz says, "Yeah this is all screwed up. But I found the chunk I suspect though. 'Carry out closing the box when the box contains the object: Now the box is locked; Try switching on the lock button;"
[lounge]|19:04 Grocible says, "Yes, you can eat neutrinos, the popular breakfast cereal!"
[I7]|19:04 Jizaboz says, "It doesn't like closing after I put in the object I specify there"
[lounge]|19:04 Grocible says, "Oh-ho! You think they'll get away from your spoon? Why, no! It's a measurement error!"
[I7]|19:05 zarf says, "you said 'the object'"
[I7]|19:05 zarf says, "if you weren't paraphrasing your code, that's the error"
[I7]|19:06 Jizaboz says, "Oh no no. heh"
[I7]|19:06 Jizaboz says, "After closing the iecm when the iecm contains the sample tube:"
[I7]|19:07 Jizaboz says, "That's the exact line.. it doesn't really give away anything"
[I7]|19:07 Jizaboz asks, "Anything look wrong in that sentence to you?"
[I7]|19:08 Jizaboz says, "The sample tube originates in 'game limbo' then is later moved to me via 'now the player is carrying the sample tube'"
[I7]|19:09 Jizaboz says, "Maybe it still thinks the tube is in the room I was standing in when the object was given to me. Which IS the room it says I can't reach the IECM (box) from"
[I7]|19:10 Jizaboz says, "I want to say it's a bug because it just doesn't make sense"
[I7]|19:11 zarf says, "sorry, i'm on and off the computer"
[I7]|19:12 zarf says, "that lines looks right"
[I7]|19:12 Jizaboz says, "That's cool Zarf. Thanks"
[I7]|19:13 Jizaboz says, "My bad, it says I can't reach into (not from) the room I was given the object"
[I7]|19:13 Jizaboz says, "Weird"
[I7]|19:13 Jizaboz says, "Gonna test just plain closing it with the object and no further code"
[I7]|19:14 Jizaboz says, "Doh. Yeah that works fine. It's something in my After closing the IECM when the IECM contains the sample tube: chunk"
[I7]|19:15 Jizaboz says, "Oh duhh I see it now. Sorry guys"
[I7]|19:15 Jizaboz says, "I had a 'try switching on' referring to a button in that other room. the one I'm not standing in"
[I7]|19:16 Jizaboz says, "I didn't know I had to be in the same room as a switch to pass that line of code"
[I7]|19:17 Jizaboz says, "How do I get around that? Say I'm in the living room, but I want to switch on the microwave device in the kitchen without getting off the couch."
[I7]|19:18 Jizaboz says, "I don't know how to word switching on a device that is not in the same room, basically"
[I7]|19:19 Jizaboz says, "now it's switched on. Double duh. I figured I already tried that earlier"
[lounge]|19:20 Roger goes home.
[lounge]|19:20 * Roger has disconnected.
[I7]|19:21 Jizaboz says, "Well, thanks for reading and thanks for letting me know the line was correct, Zarf. Guess I just needed to think aloud a bit."
[lounge]|19:21 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|19:21 * Emily has disconnected.
[names]|19:24 Fang asks, "what's the correct way to shorten anastasia?"
[names]|19:24 two-star says, "Nastya, if you're nasty."
[names]|19:25 Psmith says (to Fang), "Stacy."
[names]|19:25 Fang asks, "huh, really?"
[pr0n]|19:26 Allen says, "not safe for work: http://indifferent-cats-in-amateur-porn.tumblr.com/ "
[lounge]|19:27 shercambe enters the lounge. Do you like it? Check box: [ ] YES [ ] NO
[lounge]|19:27 shercambe takes the elevator up the magic bird perch.
[lounge]|19:28 shercambe takes the elevator down from the magic bird perch.
[names]|19:28 maga says, "what do you mean by 'correct'? nicknames don't work that way"
[lounge]|19:29 shercambe says, "hi"
[names]|19:29 Fang asks, "'common'?"
[names]|19:30 two-star says, "Well, in Russian there are standard diminuatives for most common names."
[lounge]|19:30 shercambe concentrates, and disappears.
[lounge]|19:32 shercambe enters the lounge. Do you like it? Check box: [ ] YES [ ] NO
[lounge]|19:32 Ellison says, "hello shercambe"
[lounge]|19:33 K-Y says, "restart"
[lounge]|19:33 K-Y then looked around and came to the conclusion that pretty much no one in this lounge even lifts.
[lounge]|19:33 * K-Y has disconnected.
[lounge]|19:33 shercambe says, "hello"
[lounge]|19:36 Ellison asks (of shercambe), "new to IF?"
[amazon]|19:37 Allen says, "huh:"
[amazon]|19:37 Allen | But suddenly, Amazon has stopped fighting the sales-tax war. Last fall it dropped its repeal campaign in California and instead signed a deal with lawmakers to begin collecting sales taxes later this year. That was followed by several more tax deals--over the course of the next couple years, Amazon will begin collecting sales tax from residents of Nevada, New Jersey, Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia, and on July 1, it began collecting taxes from Texans.
[lounge]|19:37 Grocible says, "interesting article: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/07/why-there-are-too-many-patents-in-america/259725/ "
[lounge]|19:38 Grocible says, "written by a Reagan appointee, no less"
[lounge]|19:38 Allen asks, "Posner?"
[lounge]|19:38 zarf says, "yeah"
[lounge]|19:38 Allen says, "Posner has written on the subject many times"
[lounge]|19:38 Allen says, "he has a whole book on the topic, I believe"
[lounge]|19:39 zarf says, "Certainly been in the news about it repeatedly for the past couple of weeks"
[lounge]|19:39 Grocible says, "indeed"
[lounge]|19:39 Allen says, "he's kind of a libertarian judicial rock star"
[lounge]|19:39 Allen says, "though he's not ron-paul libertarian"
[lounge]|19:40 shercambe says (to Ellison), "maybe this will work"
[lounge]|19:40 zarf says, "I am not going to rule on his label, but it's nice to see some sanity coming into the patent discussion at a high level"
[lounge]|19:40 Jizaboz says, "I agree"
[lounge]|19:41 shercambe says (to Ellison), "android currently"
[lounge]|19:41 Jizaboz says (to shercambe), "It worked unless you were trying to whipser. heh. Hello"
[lounge]|19:41 Jizaboz says, "Whisper rather"
[lounge]|19:41 Ellison says (to shercambe), "gotcha. then yeah, I don't have a recommendation for a client."
[lounge]|19:42 Allen says (to zarf), "don't worry. Anything he says is completely counterbalanced by the federal court in Tyler, TX"
[lounge]|19:42 McMartin says, "Ah, Tyler"
[lounge]|19:42 shercambe says (to Ellison), "Normally I'm on linux and don't have the problem"
[lounge]|19:43 McMartin says, "The reason the 'I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one' bumper stickers are not on point"
[lounge]|19:43 McMartin says (to shercambe), "If you find a decent Android MUD client I'd actually like to learn of it"
[lounge]|19:43 zarf says, "I am aware of all the *non*-sanity in the system, thanks"
[lounge]|19:43 McMartin mostly just uses tf.
[lounge]|19:43 shercambe says, "hello Jizaboz"
[lounge]|19:43 Jizaboz says (to shercambe), "I'd rather be in GnomeMUD over any client so far. I dislike using this Pueblo on the Win gaming machine here at home."
[lounge]|19:44 shercambe says (to Jizaboz), "Yeah, GnomeMUD seems pretty good"
[lounge]|19:49 borowski says, "I like Kildclient."
[lounge]|19:49 borowski says (to shercambe), "Good to meet you."
[lounge]|19:49 shercambe says (to McMartin), "I'm thinking that writing one might be the solution if I can free up the time"
[lounge]|19:49 Jizaboz says, "I use that one too sometimes. I have them both installed at work but the monitor sucks so I can see Gmud better."
[lounge]|19:49 shercambe says (to borowski), "you too"
[lounge]|19:51 Ellison heads east.
[politics]|19:51 inky | The scrutiny of Mitt Romney's Bain Capital years devolved some weeks ago into a game of he said-he produced a document-he said. (It's not a well-known game.)
[lounge]|19:51 Jizaboz says, "The best thing I like about Gmud is it's the only client out of KC, GM, and Pueblo that does just eventually drop connection when the mud goes idle."
[politics]|19:52 borowski says, "The Olympics are so confusing."
[politics]|19:52 Jizaboz says, "McDonalds has already made me mad about the Olympics."
[lounge]|19:52 shercambe says, "Ah, Sprints 3G network does that for me - at random sadly"
[politics]|19:53 borowski says, "I guess I'll learn the rules to Romney Ball at some point."
[politics]|19:53 Jizaboz says, "You won't be able to buy any fries except McDonalds if you are attending the Olympics. Unless.. you are 'chips' with fried fish."
[politics]|19:53 Jizaboz says, "*having chips"
[politics]|19:54 borowski says (to Jizaboz), "I'd heard McDonalds was dropped as a sponsor, but I haven't heard much about it."
[politics]|19:54 Jizaboz says (to borowski), "That would be very cool."
[politics]|19:54 borowski says, "I by 'heard' I mean some random person. I should actually read about it."
[politics]|19:55 borowski says, "*And by"
[lounge]|19:55 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[politics]|19:55 boucher says, "That's okay.  'Some Random Person' is the new sponsor in their place."
[politics]|19:55 Jizaboz says, "Yeah as far as I can tell, the only thing banned is non-McDonalds fries so far."
[politics]|19:55 borowski says, "heh"
[politics]|19:56 Jizaboz says, "Haha"
[politics]|19:56 boucher says, "'This event brought to you by Some Random Person.  Remember: When you think of people in general, think of Some Random Person!'"
[politics]|19:56 borowski says, "Woah, that's not very fair to local merchants."
[lounge]|19:56 shercambe lights out for the west.
[politics]|19:57 boucher says, "To be fair, the quality of french fries made by Some Random Person is very uneven compared to McDonalds' so-so ones."
[politics]|19:57 Jizaboz says, "It will be interesting to see if there will be some sort of protest or backlash"
[politics]|19:57 boucher says, "consistently so-so*"
[politics]|19:57 borowski says, "I can see protesters holding midnight fryings."
[politics]|19:58 borowski says, "fry-ins."
[politics]|19:58 Jizaboz says, "Freedom fries. For Free! Total anarchy."
[politics]|19:58 Gerynar says, "One would think that part of the Olympics being to bring differing cultures together, being able to offer foods from said cultures would not only be allowed, but promoted"
[politics]|19:59 Jizaboz says (to Gerynar), "very good point."
[politics]|19:59 boucher says, "If there's one thing I can say about McDonalds, which I believe was mentioned in a discussion about globalization and franchising here once, it's that...they're very expected.  You can travel halfway around the world, and aside from a few regional menu items, you'd almost not know you left home.  It's bland, familiar, and safe.  Exactly what the traveler without a sense of adventure wants."
[politics]|19:59 McMartin says, "Fry-ins are the best idea ever"
[politics]|19:59 McMartin says, "We should have them for *everything*"
[politics]|19:59 borowski says, "It is odd to think about. "OK, so this raw potato is legal. But I drop it in hot oil, now not so much so.""
[lounge]|20:00 K-Y's apocalyptic flotsam included the emergence of figures of such dazzling dementia as to momentarily mesmerize even thinking people.
[comics]|20:00 K-Y says, "dammit"
[comics]|20:00 K-Y says, "I've been waiting all day for something stupid to happen at Comic-Con"
[politics]|20:00 Jizaboz says (to boucher), "and sometimes only a regular McDonalds cheeseburger in a strange place after a hangover is a requirement."
[politics]|20:00 borowski says (to boucher), "I worked at a chain restaurant and that was the pitch we were given."
[politics]|20:00 Gerynar says, "then again, with all the stereotypes about British cuisine, one can understand why a single-company should have exclusivity rights to food"
[politics]|20:00 boucher says, "Not that I'd call visiting an independent British chip shop terribly adventuresome, but...well, at least a little."
[politics]|20:00 Gerynar runs and hides
[comics]|20:01 K-Y says, "so far, nothing blatant has happened except for this http://www.comicsalliance.com/tag/comic-con/ "
[politics]|20:01 boucher asks, "Though...I'm not sure if this has changed...do foreign fast food outlets still use lard?"
[politics]|20:02 borowski says, "I ate at a German McDonalds that had Veggie Burgers. I don't think I've seen that in America."
[politics]|20:02 boucher says, "For a while, the US was all on unsaturated vegetable oils and such, and when you went abroad, you still got animal fats, and the difference shocked people who had become accustomed to canola or whatever."
[comics]|20:02 inky asks, "companies announcing something stupid, you mean?"
[politics]|20:02 borowski says, "I think I remember a scandal in India regarding that."
[comics]|20:02 K-Y says, "yes"
[politics]|20:03 Jizaboz says, "I've never seen that here. Sort of like McDonalds Japan naturally has more fish sandwich variety. Though they also have some extreme takes on the Big Mac as well"
[comics]|20:03 K-Y says, "but all we get so far is this banner"
[politics]|20:03 borowski says, "Specifically cow fat being used to fry fries."
[politics]|20:03 Jizaboz says, "Like double Big Macs with eggs and such craziness"
[lounge]|20:04 Grocible says, "huh. Firefly is 10 years old now"
[comics]|20:04 inky asks, "wait, which banner?"
[politics]|20:04 Allen says, "I've heard it convincingly argued that the difference between veggie oil fries and cow suet fries at mcdonalds was minimal"
[comics]|20:05 K-Y says, "'The Latest from Comic-Con 2011'"
[politics]|20:05 Allen says, "they spent a lot of money with taste testers making sure they wouldn't endanger their star brand"
[politics]|20:05 borowski asks, "In terms of health or taste?"
[politics]|20:05 Allen says, "taste"
[politics]|20:05 boucher says, "Here's what I don't get....  I keep seeing hugely gluttonous and decadent fast food items.  Sometimes even with names that strongly evoke America, like (making this up, but only vaguely) a McStatueOfLiberty, or something, which is made of half a cow worth of beef, more toppings than exist under the sun, and probably has a whole pizza in there or something....  And it's *not* available in the US.  Nothing like it.  We get maybe a new variety of healthy salad instead."
[politics]|20:05 Allen says, "probably health too"
[politics]|20:05 borowski says, "Ah, yeah, I'm sure McDonalds has that down."
[politics]|20:05 boucher says, "It's like the rest of the world is turning into America, and we're not allowed to."
[politics]|20:05 Allen says, "the secret to mcdonalds fries, supposedly, is that they're partially cooked then frozen"
[politics]|20:05 Jizaboz says, "Haha Boucher. True"
[politics]|20:06 Jizaboz says, "I think the key to any fry really is just that it's cooked properly and still hot"
[politics]|20:07 Jizaboz says, "When I worked at BK as a teen we had the crappy 'coated fries' they were still good fresh out of the grease though"
[politics]|20:07 Allen says, "bah, I hated those"
[politics]|20:07 Allen asks, "do they still make them?"
[politics]|20:07 borowski asks, "Coated fries?"
[politics]|20:07 boucher says, "Japan is especially guilty of this, but then...I think we damaged them with the whole postwar restoration thing, so now they all vaguely have America-envy, while the more liberal elements in our own society are trying to become more...I don't know, European or something.  And I don't know what Europe's trying to turn into."
[politics]|20:07 Jizaboz says, "Everyone did. Nope, they changed twice since then."
[politics]|20:07 Allen says, "the revamped fries from the 90s"
[politics]|20:08 Fang says, "Japan has always had america-envy"
[politics]|20:08 Allen says, "mcdonalds are still really good fries"
[politics]|20:08 Allen says, "I occasionally go by there a few times a year and get a couple orders of fries, then go home and eat them with mayo"
[politics]|20:08 Fang asks, "won't they be cold and soggy?"
[politics]|20:09 boucher says (to Fang), "For values of always equaling 'since 1854', presumably."
[politics]|20:09 Allen asks, "when?"
[politics]|20:09 Jizaboz says, "Yeah there's even a Japanese 'scream-o' band with songs of that very theme named... 'Envy'. Heh"
[politics]|20:09 Allen asks, "when I get home?"
[politics]|20:09 Fang says (to boucher), "yes"
[politics]|20:09 Gerynar says, "that's just wrong...McDonald's overly sweetened katsup is the only thing that should go on their fries....that or chocolate shake"
[politics]|20:09 inky says, "wow"
[politics]|20:09 Allen says, "I only live about 3 minutes from mcdonalds"
[politics]|20:09 Jizaboz says, "Very political group appropriately enough"
[politics]|20:09 boucher says, "It does something to a country's psyche to ram a gun down their throats and say 'trade with us or else'"
[tangent]|20:09 Fang says, "I remember reading a podcast about the idea that chinese people were 'yellow'"
[tangent]|20:10 Fang says, "apparently it was a recent thing"
[tangent]|20:10 Fang says, "previous ethnographers described the chinese as white"
[politics]|20:10 Jizaboz asks, "Is that what the 'Fancy' is in some ketchup? Sugar?"
[politics]|20:10 Alex says (to Jizaboz), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that sugar is sweet, and so am I."
[tangent]|20:10 McMartin says, "'The capillaries are predominantly below instead of above the subcutenaceous fat layer' is too hard to say"
[tangent]|20:10 Fang says, "however, when the 'yellow' appeared, the chinese embraced it, since yellow was associated with the emperor"
[politics]|20:10 boucher asks (of Alex), "But do you come in individual packets?"
[politics]|20:10 Alex asks (of boucher), "Um, seven?"
[tangent]|20:11 Fang says, "the japanese, meanwhile"
[politics]|20:11 Jizaboz says, "Seven packets."
[tangent]|20:11 Fang says, "they opposed it, since it associated them with the asians, instead of with the west, as they prefered"
[tangent]|20:11 inky | anthropology founder Johann Friedrich Blumenbach (1752.1840), came up with the five color typology for humans: white people (the Caucasian or white race), more or less black people (the Ethiopian or black race), yellow people (the Mongolian or yellow race), cinnamon-brown or flame colored people (the American or red race) and brown people (the Malay or brown race).
[tangent]|20:11 Fang says, "so they began to consider themselves as whiter than the 'yellow' chinese"
[tangent]|20:12 McMartin says, "When colors are assigned to Native Americans I'm used to hearing 'copper', actaully"
[tangent]|20:12 McMartin says, "actually"
[tangent]|20:13 borowski says, "I like 'cinnamon-brown.' If the idea of race is going to exist, there should at least be yummy names for them."
[tangent]|20:13 McMartin says, "There is the general issue of variation"
[tangent]|20:14 McMartin says, "My time at Berkeley was a strong indicator that lots of Caucasians are browner than lots of Asians, and vice versa."
[politics]|20:14 boucher says, "Also on the subject of fast food franchising and globalization and Japan...it's interesting how Japan has made KFC their own."
[tangent]|20:14 Allen says, "there should be a neon carrot race"
[tangent]|20:14 Fang says, " http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/ta/ta_20111019-1700a.mp3 "
[politics]|20:15 borowski asks, "Huh. Food items unique to Japanese KFC's?"
[tangent]|20:15 McMartin says (to Allen), "That noble tribe is generally found in tanning salons"
[tangent]|20:15 Allen says, "heh"
[politics]|20:15 Jizaboz says, "It's sort of sad considering you can just get yakitori in Japan. (cooked chicken skin). The skin is the only part people come to Kentucky Fried Chicken for."
[politics]|20:16 boucher says, "To the point where they have almost wholly unique menus, statues of Colonel Sanders in front of most shops (who they dress up for major holidays), have made it a very nearly traditional (like, as traditional as a tree) part of the idea of celebrating Christmas, and even have the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Colonel "
[politics]|20:16 boucher says, "Many Japanese don't even recognize it as a chain with foreign origins, it's been around long enough."
[lounge]|20:16 Ellison arrives from the east.
[tangent]|20:17 two-star says, "There was a interesting bit in Ta-Nehisi Coates' blog about Southern Anglo-American white racism against Northern Anglo-American whites. Some southerners linked themselves to the Normans, which they considered to be a master race, and linked the Yankees to the Saxons, which were an inferior serf race."
[politics]|20:17 Jizaboz says, "Haha that's pretty funny. Santa Claus is the same way basically there too. They just view him as an awesome happy dude and don't even think about the religious context of it."
[tangent]|20:18 McMartin says, "I still think it's great that the name 'Saxons' basically means 'the knife people'"
[politics]|20:18 boucher says, " http://a3.img.mobypicture.com/6bb64a140bc803dba114d81fe97be119_view.jpg "
[politics]|20:18 boucher says, "This pretty much sums up my entire previous statement in one image."
[politics]|20:18 Jizaboz says, "haha that makes me smile though. I can't help it."
[tangent]|20:19 two-star says, "Coincidentally, I was reading a book on the fall of Yugoslavia. Back in WWII, the Croatian Ustashas decided they were really Goths, which made them superior to the Serbs, who were Slavs."
[politics]|20:19 Jizaboz says, "It's quite amusing."
[politics]|20:19 boucher says, "(#anime) There is a weird sort of thing that I keep seeing where people just wear santa suits to celebrate Christmas.  I don't know if people really do it in real life, but anime characters certainly seem to think it's the thing to do."
[lounge]|20:20 Gerynar says, "CSB"
[lounge]|20:20 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|20:20 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[tangent]|20:20 McMartin says, "I can now only read this as them wearing black and reading terrible poetry"
[tangent]|20:20 two-star says, "In the 90's, however, the Croatians mostly decided that they were 'Real Slavs' which made them superior to the Serbs, who weren't real Slavs."
[politics]|20:20 boucher says, "I mean, I admit, my family does have a person wear the hat to hand out presents from under the tree, to save them the trouble of getting them, but...we stop at the hat."
[tangent]|20:21 McMartin asks (of two-star), "Hmm. Are the Ustashas a subset?"
[politics]|20:21 Jizaboz says, "I'd rather just give presents on Halloween. That's my favorite holiday anyway. Heh"
[tangent]|20:21 two-star says, "Ah, the Ustashas were the Croatian Fascists."
[lounge]|20:21 Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[politics]|20:21 borowski says, "Ha, that's a good idea."
[tangent]|20:22 McMartin says, "Aha."
[software]|20:22 zarf | We believe with a single push of a button you can move seamlessly in and out of both worlds. (Kevin Turner on W8)
[politics]|20:22 Jizaboz says, "It worked for the Addams family and they seemed happy about it."
[tangent]|20:22 McMartin says, "I guess this seems less strange if they're different Croatians doing it"
[software]|20:22 zarf says, "you know, I remember software where you always had to push a button to get into the mode you wanted. It was called vi. Not that popular these days."
[lounge]|20:23 Ellison says, "hey Gerynar"
[lounge]|20:23 Gerynar says, "Howdy"
[politics]|20:23 boucher says, "It feels like there's a sort of transformation of Halloween in the US, and I'm pretty sure it's not just that I've grown up.  The whole poison and razorblades urban legend seems to have just slowly ruined traditional trick-or-treating, and with all the other hazards like traffic and such, people seem to increasingly be moving to turn it into a party day, where private or public gatherings are the preferred thing."
[GerynarsAbode]|20:23 Gerynar has an odd thought that popped into his head..."How hard would it be to write an IF game in Forth?"
[software]|20:23 Fang says, "hey I still use vim"
[politics]|20:24 boucher says, "I don't know if haunted houses and other things are more or less popular either."
[software]|20:24 Fang asks, "though... seamlessly?"
[software]|20:24 zarf says, "you are not disagreeing with me"
[tangent]|20:24 two-star says, "WWII in Yugoslavia was a massive 3-way bloodbath between Communist Partisans (who were of mixed ethnicities) Fascist Ustashas, and Serbian Nationalist Chetniks."
[politics]|20:24 Jizaboz says, "It has changed. When I was a kid growing up in the mountains even we had these events downtown where the local radioshack, etc would be decked out in decorations and they'd give candy"
[software]|20:24 Fang says, "I don't think that word means what you think, Mr Turner"
[GerynarsAbode]|20:24 Ellison says, "there's a Forth port of Adventure on the IF archive"
[lounge]|20:25 Doug has arrived.
[lounge]|20:25 Doug waves.
[politics]|20:25 Jizaboz says, "Nothing like that happens anymore. However, haunted houses are still VERY popular here in the southeasten united states"
[lounge]|20:25 Jizaboz says, "Hey Doug"
[lounge]|20:25 Doug asks, "sup?"
[politics]|20:25 McMartin says, "I always got the impression the poison-and-razorblades thing was to keep kids from eating loads of candy without adult supervision"
[politics]|20:26 Jizaboz says, "I still go to them as too, maybe 2-3 a year. I'd like to volunteer in one for charity one day"
[lounge]|20:26 inky says, "ok zrz"
[lounge]|20:26 inky got credit for creating Common and the concept of money, for generating lots of art and literature, and for being the very best at killing his enemies.
[politics]|20:26 borowski says, "Huh, I'll have to check one out."
[politics]|20:26 borowski says, "I would be nice to do something other than go to a bar for Halloween."
[politics]|20:27 borowski says, "s/I/it"
[politics]|20:27 Jizaboz says, "If I recall right I think there was one case of it and it cause hysteria"
[politics]|20:27 boucher says, "It was certainly a well-organized conspiracy if so.  The news was quite adamant that there were definitely serial sickos out there and that you needed to carefully inspect every piece of candy, which made it more of a hassle for the adults than they would have liked either."
[politics]|20:27 Jizaboz exclaims (at borowski), "well then get drunk and go to a haunted house!"
[politics]|20:27 Jizaboz says, "2 birds with one stone"
[politics]|20:28 borowski says, "heh that would be fun."
[politics]|20:28 boucher says, "As far as I know, there were zero actual cases.  There was one, which turned out to have been instigated by one of the child's own parents or something in some bitter custody dispute or something stupid."
[politics]|20:28 maga says, "I seem to recall that snopes said it was along the lines of satanic panic, yeah"
[politics]|20:28 maga says, "let's see"
[lounge]|20:28 Jizaboz says (to boucher), "right, it was personal if I recall right"
[politics]|20:28 two-star says, "My mom's solution was to just embargo my candy for a week, on the assumption that if, after that, there were no news stories, it was probably safe to eat."
[politics]|20:28 borowski says, "Satanic Panic in the Attic even."
[lounge]|20:28 Jizaboz says, "ILAC"
[politics]|20:29 Jizaboz says, "My mom checked mine a year or two, then said 'ok just make sure you look at it first before putting it in your mouth'"
[politics]|20:30 boucher says, "There were some kindly neighbors, generally elderly sorts, who gave out homemade treats, and it was sad, because many parents would force their kids to refuse them, or throw them out later, on suspicion that little old ladies everywhere have been biding their time until they can use their cookies to *really* do some damage."
[politics]|20:30 borowski | http://www.snopes.com/horrors/poison/halloween.asp
[GerynarsAbode]|20:31 Ellison asks, "soooooooo... you try that syntax file?"
[politics]|20:31 Jizaboz says, "Yeah my mom walked the line on that one. She'd hand out little bags filled with home-made popcorn, laced with candycorn and wrapped candies."
[politics]|20:31 borowski says, "Yeah, it is sad when stories like that make neighbors not trust each other."
[politics]|20:31 maga says, "most of these seem to be 'kid ate parents' stash, parents tried to blame it on spiked Halloween candy'"
[politics]|20:32 Jizaboz says (to Maga), "sounds about right"
[politics]|20:33 Jizaboz says, "There were stories like that with drugs too. Razors in lsd cubes, rat poison in lsd, etc."
[politics]|20:33 Jizaboz says, "and of course 'Maniacs putting LSD in Halloween candy'"
[politics]|20:33 borowski says, "Dude, this acid is pointy."
[politics]|20:33 McMartin says, "'heroin cut with bleach' was a goody too."
[politics]|20:34 boucher says, "Ah, life insurance scam...that was it."
[politics]|20:34 Jizaboz says, "Yup"
[politics]|20:34 borowski says, "Yeah, I just got the album from Amazon today."
[politics]|20:34 borowski says, "ILAC"
[politics]|20:35 boucher says, "Well, at least with drugs, there's some truth to adulteration, though it's cheapness, not malice."
[lounge]|20:36 Rob comes right on in.
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Current time: Thursday, 12 Jul 2012, 08:36:29 PM EDT
Rob says, "zblrp"
Jizaboz says, "Hey Rob"
[politics] boucher says, "Oh, except in the case where the US government poisoned its own citizens by tainting alcohol during the Prohibition and then distributing it in order to cause a panic."
[politics] borowski says, "Yeah, and probably a matter of ineffectiveness more than safety. Though infecting filler is very unhealthy."
Rob says, "hmm long #politics recap but about all sorts of random things"
Grocible says, "well if it isn't Rob"
[politics] Allen says (to boucher), "I don't think that's what happened"
Gerynar says, "Yeah, it's been ... interesating"
Jizaboz says (to Rob), "Sorry about that."
borowski says, "Heh, french fries have become a major part of political platforms."
jenrexrode says, "hi"
[politics] Allen says, "it was a ruling that alcohol wasn't taxable if it was made undrinkable (toxic)"
[politics] Allen says, "ok, maybe not everyone knew that..."
Doug says, "ROOOOOOB"
[comics] Rob says, "oh yeah, comiccon"
Ellison says, "hey Rob"
[politics] McMartin says, "One of the things people did was undenature alcohol to make it drinkable again, and sometimes they were bad at it"
[politics] boucher says, "I knew denaturing was (and continues to be, for tax exemption purposes) a valid thing.  But I also know it's a pretty common theory, if not entirely proven, that they wanted the word to spread that any alcohol might be suspect."
jenrexrode whispers, "'#private/poweruser is moderated; you can't talk.'"
[politics] boucher says, "And certainly didn't shed any tears if an epidemic of dead drunks was what it took to make Prohibition succeed."
[politics] McMartin says, "We've done worse to our own citizens regularly, it's true"
[politics] Jizaboz says, "Prohibition history is quite scary."
[politics] Jizaboz says, "I think we need more laws (or lack of laws) in the same direction as the repeal."
[politics] maga says, "I'm fairly sure there was... at least one case of intentional case of moonshine poisoning in the 60s or thereabouts"
[politics] McMartin says (to Jizaboz), "Well, I was thinking more things like the Tuskegee experiments there"
[GerynarsAbode] Rob says, "man, I knew a guy who tried to write IF in Forth back in 1987"
[politics] boucher says, "Apparently even now, in Russia, though not directly the government's meddling, there is a high rate of death due to contaminated bootleg liquor, ever since they multiplied the taxes many times on the legit stuff in an attempt to change Russia's culture of alcoholism overnight."
[politics] maga says, "although I can't find the book to see whether it was obviously intentional, or if it could plausibly have been accidental"
[politics] Jizaboz says, "Moonshining was a big deal in the mountains around here, and there are even local stories of people going blind from bad moonshine."
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar asks, "did anything ever come of it?"
[politics] Allen says, "the tax thing started in prohibition"
[politics] borowski says, "From what I understand, with moonshine it's easy to accidentally make methanol."
[politics] McMartin says, "This tracks my understanding"
[politics] maga says, "(it was at a time and place where most moonshiners were rural whites and most moonshine-consumers were urban blacks, which was assumed to be the motivation)"
[politics] boucher says, "Yeah, methanol and fusels are nasty."
[politics] Jizaboz says, "Moonshining is a very delicate process, and can turn bad easily. Amateurs messed up a lot of people."
[politics] Allen says, "it just depends on how careful you are (and how accurately you can measure temperature, but that's not a problem in the current century. In the 20th"
[politics] borowski asks (of Jizaboz), "Appalachians?"
Rob says, "hallo"
[politics] Jizaboz says, "I'm less than 2 hours drive from the Apps, yes"
You whisper "oh whoopth" to jenrexrode.
If all the channel popes leave the channel, then normally no one can
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[politics] Allen says, "though, more than 2 or 3 distillations tends to concentrate things"
Hugo will be in the audience while Hugo dances as the back half of a two-man cow in a children's operetta tonight.
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[politics] boucher says, "Another traditional problem with moonshining were people ignorant enough to use lead piping in their stills."
[politics] borowski says, "Oh cool. That's near to where I grew up. Though they are a long mountain chain."
Done.
[politics] Jizaboz says, "I'm in NC"
[politics] Allen says, "I know a few people that have home-distilled"
[politics] maga says (to boucher), "car radiators: also popular"
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[poweruser] Rob says, "I musta goofed, I don't even know how you make a channel moderated"
[politics] Allen says, "it's good to keep quiet about it, because the laws can be pretty harsh, but a lot of homebrewers have experimented"
[poweruser] Rob says, "I'm trying to figure out how to un-set that"
[politics] borowski says (to Jizaboz), "Yeah, me too. That's where the good moonshine is."
[politics] Jizaboz says (to Allen), "Yeah I'm not going to talk about the good moonshine I've had. Heh"
'-moderated': no such channel flag.
[politics] Allen says, "it's safer to freeze-distill, and I think the product is tastier, though federal law makes no distinction between fractional distilling and freeze distilling"
Done.
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[politics] Allen says, "some people don't realize this. A lot of people. I've seen freeze-distilled beers openly submitted in homebrew contests"
[politics] Jizaboz says, "My mom used to make blackberry wine, but I was too young to drink it"
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[politics] boucher says, "Now there are moonshiners who are 'going legit'.  I think there's some very fancy name they're starting to call moonshine.  Kentucky white whiskey or something."
[poweruser] Rob says, "there"
[poweruser] Rob says, "I think"
[politics] Rob says, "that'll throw off them revenooers"
[politics] Allen says, "ha ha"
[politics] Allen says, "it mostly depends on state laws"
[politics] Jizaboz says, "The closest thing to moonshine really is everclear. And that's getting banned in most ABC stores these days sadly. I used to make a killer Halloween punch that involved a pint of it."
Ellison says, "heya Hugo"
[politics] Rob says, "I just watched the ken burns documentary on prohibition a few months ago. or was it longer ago than that. I think keith olbermann was still on the air"
[politics] Allen says, "federal laws aren't all that expensive or burdensome"
[politics] borowski says, "Huh, I didn't know it was getting banned."
[politics] Allen says, "depends on what state"
[politics] boucher says, "Some states allow a slightly weaker variant"
[politics] Allen says, "and whether you're talking 70% everclear or 90%"
[politics] boucher says, "Timing"
[politics] Rob says, "my brother found the state setup in pennsylvania to be really annoying to work with, in terms of purchasing alcoholic beverages"
[politics] boucher glances at his bottle of 190 Everclear, still freely available in Oregon, at least.
[politics] borowski says, "I thought there were valid cooking purposes for it. At least I remember it being sold labeled as "For Cooking Purposes Only.""
[politics] Jizaboz says, "I'm talking 90% but that's a lot in a big bowl of punch between a lot of people."
[politics] Allen says, "pennsylvania has a very bad alcohol monopoly"
[politics] Rob says, "around here there's a liquor store next to every grocery store, and the grocery stores stock beer and wine"
[politics] Allen says, "a very badly run one"
[politics] Allen says, "famously badly run one"
[politics] Rob says, "there are these special stores you have to go to that are only open sometimes, or something that sounds like it's out of the 1930s"
[politics] Allen says (to Rob), "you should read about their wine kiosks"
[politics] Rob says, "ask me about our wine kiosks"
[politics] Allen says, "the state spent millions on developing wine kiosks"
[politics] Rob says, "was it funded by the lottery"
[politics] Allen says, "to buy wine from an official state kiosk, you have to show your ID to a camera. The camera transmits an image to state. There are people sitting around waiting for these to come in"
[politics] Rob asks, "people ??"
[politics] Allen says, "once they examine your ID, and push a button clearing the purchase (which may take a while depending on if they're at their desk)"
[politics] Rob says, "spend another hundred thousand and automate it eh"
[politics] Allen says, "after that happens"
[politics] Allen says, "you have to blow into a little tube, which checks your blood alcohol content"
Hugo says, "Welcome to my church."
[politics] Allen says, "if it's under half the legal limit, the kiosk will open and you get your bottle of wine out"
[robmumble] Rob says, "my insurance company sent me what I thought was a bill today, but instead it was them paying me money, a check for $214"
[politics] Allen says, "surprisingly, after these were deployed, no one wanted to use them"
[robmumble] Jearl asks, "for your many ear trials?"
[politics] Allen says, "it was supposed to be about the convenience, but they're so stupidly design it's far more inconvenient"
[politics] Allen says, "and, they don't work on sundays"
[robmumble] Rob says, "courtesy of the Affordable Care Act, and the provision that they have to spend 80% of their $1billion income on actual health care costs, and not for CEO salaries and whatever else."
[politics] Jizaboz says, "Weird. At my local ABC store they just glance at my ID 1 out of 3 times. Visiting IL, they only did once and they sell booze totally different there."
[politics] boucher says, "Oregon's not bad.  State-licensed stores only for liquor.  Not very strict laws about hours or days of operation.  Only beer and wine below a certain ABV allowed in grocery stores, but I think Washington state is either trying to allow or already have passed a change to allow liquor in grocery stores, so Oregon is expected to be forced to follow, just to prevent people hopping the border."
[robmumble] Rob says, "so they came 9% short in texas, and everyone gets 9% of their payments back"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I dunno how many people are getting these checks, maybe 500,000 people in texas, but it made me think slightly more nicely about obamacare"
[politics] Rob says, "only people who are already half drunk are going to be staggering to a kiosk to buy wine"
[politics] boucher says, "And, of course, a very active microbrewery community."
[politics] boucher says, "Returning briefly to speak of Japan, you can get beer from vending machines, and I don't think it's picky about how drunk you are, as long as you can get money into the machine straight."
[politics] Allen says (to Rob), "yeah, but think about how many people the insurance agencies will have to fire now, to make up the shortcoming"
[politics] McMartin says, "California is apparently a crazed anarchy of alcohol"
[politics] Allen says, "er, #robmumble"
[robmumble] Allen says, "yeah, but think about how many people the insurance agencies will have to fire now, to make up the shortcoming"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'd rather think about the $200 extra in my account !"
[politics] borowski asks, "Anarchy of alcohol?"
<Miseri> My soul belongs to Portneuf yet my heart belongs to cheese.
[politics] boucher says, "Though Japan has recently started requiring a national ID scheme to buy cigarettes from machines, and some briefly attempted facial photo age recognition"
Grocible says, "the altar of TADS"
Miseri regularly eats multiples of things inky wouldn't eat more than zero of.
Miseri says, "arrr"
[robmumble] Rob says, "also they don't have to fire anybody, they earned a billion dollars and spent 800 million"
borowski says, "Hey Miseri"
Rob says, "Mis-o"
[politics] boucher says, "It was such a hassle, it caused a huge number of people to quit smoking simply because it's one thing to enjoy a smoke now and then, but entirely another to become a Card-Carrying Official Smoker."
[politics] Jizaboz says, "Busch Gardens VA kind of freaked me out with their ID system for members"
[politics] Rob says, "hm that's a better tactic than the hideous-images-of-cancerous-gums-on-the-pack tactic"
two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
</two-star> I don't want you to pray to the duck. I want you to ASK THE DUCK YOUR QUESTION.
[robmumble] Jota says, "But if they've already budgeted to spend some of the $200,000,000 that they just had to hand out, then they'd have to cut that budget somehow."
[robmumble] Jota says, "And the executives aren't going to vote to cut their own bonuses to do it."
[robmumble] Rob says, "well wah for them"
[politics] Jizaboz says, "They make you stick your finger in this thing... but it doesn't take a finger-print. It takes a measurement."
[poweruser] jenrexrode says, "well i didn't feel very powerful"
DavidW materializes out from a silver haze in the light.
DavidW says, "hi"
jenrexrode says, "hi"
[poweruser] Rob says, "yeah I bet not"
[politics] McMartin says, "'What's in the box?' 'Pain.'"
Rob says, "DW"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Been with my new roomies for the last day or two."
Jizaboz says, "Hey DavidW, Jenrexrode"
borowski says, "Hey DavidW"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "oh, you found a new place, that's good"
[DustWorld] borowski says, "Oh cool. I've been wondering where you went to."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "yeah, my previous roommate and his partner are taking me in."
Rob says, "agh it is really nice outside right now but mosquitos are having a feasts on me"
[DustWorld] borowski asks, "How are the new roomies?"
Rob says, "also a few more drops of rain just squeezed down"
Jizaboz asks (of Rob), "No Off! spray?"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Totally opposite from the old one."
Allen says, "mosquitos almost never bother me"
Rob says, "I don't like spraying poison on myself"
Jizaboz says, "I think it smells nice..."
Rob says, "I just mainly let them chew away and I ignore the itching"
Allen says, "I don't know if it's cause I have thick skin or my skin is acidic"
Rob says, "you have less tasty skin I guess"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "The three us just shared an extra-large many item pizza."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Out on their patio."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "that's a nice housewarming"
Jizaboz says, "Heh. Probably."
Allen says, "I know I have more acidic than normal skin. It means my gut strings go bad a lot sooner"
Rob says, "oh, huh"
Allen says, "and it's hard to see my veins"
Rob asks, "do you eat a lot of acidic foods?"
Miseri asks, "So, maybe instead of Off! you can spray yourself with vinegar?"
Rob says, "have you frustrated nurses trying to take your blood before"
Allen says, "when I was in the hospital for surgery, the nurse failed 4 times to get an IV in me cause she couldn't find my veins"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I spent a good part of the afternoon helping move out their stuff from my room-to-be to a thrift store."
Allen says, "it sucked"
Rob says, "the last time I had this done the nurse said 'oohh! you have *beautiful* veins!'"
Rob says, "like I made her day"
Allen says, "they failed so many times on the right arm they had to switch arms because of the failed attempts causing wounds"
Rob says, "and also implying that she's dealt with a lot of annoying veins"
Allen says, "I do eat lots of acidic food"
Rob says, "urgh dude"
Miseri says (to Rob), "I got a similar comment the first time I gave blood."
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "oh, and they have a black cat named Kaya, which supposedly means 'beautfiul' in Polish."
Rob says, "I started becoming aware of acidic foods making my mouth sour and probably destroying my teeth and have kept that to a minimum"
Allen says, "they got it in the 5th time. I was clenching my left fist like nothing else, trying to make the veins stand out"
Allen says, "I ate a whole jar of sauerkraut tuesday"
Rob says, "though I've been drinking this Simply Lemonade + Raspberry drink lately because it's too tasty not to drink it"
Rob says, "ha ha"
Allen says, "I eat lots of pickles"
Allen says, "it's hurting my pocketbook"
Rob asks, "to eat as many pickles as you do?"
Allen says, "because I found the most awesome pickles, but they're $7.50 a jar"
Doug says, "I had two half-sour pickled this evening"
Doug says, "pickles"
Rob says, "which pickles are they"
[robmumble] jenrexrode runs out to mailbox
Allen says, "Bubbies"
Doug says, "from Rein's Deli in CT"
Rob says, "at most I eat one or two pickle slices on a burger, which is something I only eat once a month"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I'll be taking up a room in their basement that they've been using for storage. Oh, and Patrick also took me to the paint store yesterday to try to get me to chose a colour to paint it."
Allen says (to Rob), " http://www.bubbies.com/bubbies_products.shtml "
Rob says, "leaving four or so other pickle slices on the plate"
Rob says, "bubbies, that sounds kosher"
Allen says, "I eat 3 or 4 whole pickles at a time"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "how's the temperature in the basement"
Allen says, "they also make the great sauerkraut, but it's $6 a jar"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "cool, decorate your own area"
Rob says, "hmm"
Allen says, "and pickled herring filets"
[Gathering] Doug asks (of Miseri), "are you coming to dinner tomorrow?"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "well, it seems okay now, but it's summer. But we also found a space heater in those boxes and put it aside for my use, in case I need it in the winter."
Rob says, "I wonder if there's some whole alchemic balance going on where you're attracted to acidic foods, have an acidic Ph body, and also that you eschew sweet stuff"
Allen says, "plus, I eat a lot of kimchi"
Rob says, "kimchi is tasty"
Grocible says, " http://eorailway.co.uk/news/supercar-flies-into-ongar "
Rob says, "I haven't had korean food in a few years but I enjoyed kimchi for a while when I was close to a place to get bibimbap"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "They're not crazy about me sleeping on the floor again, so we'll probably go fold-away bed shopping at some point."
Rob says, "I heard of kimchi from watching MASH as a kid, but didn't eat it until I was in my late 20s"
Doug says, " http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Ongar_the_World-Weary "
Doug asks, "that ongar?"
Allen says, "yeah, me too"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "they seem friendly and accomodating. hope it ends up being a much better living space for you than the last one"
Allen says, "I made it for the first time last year"
zarf says, "There was this hole-in-the-wall Korean place near CMU when I was a student. First time I'd ever encountered Korean food"
Allen says, "kinda trouble, but I do make some every few months."
Rob says, "wow, this mosquitos left huge welts on my left forearm"
zarf says, "They had spicy kimchi soup"
Rob says, "mmm"
Allen says, "mostly I just buy he grocery-store brand at our Super H-Mart"
Jizaboz says, "I'd eat that"
Allen asks, "does austin have a super h-mart?"
[DustWorld] (from jenrexrode) Roomates say, "we don't go nude."
zarf says, "I'd go every couple of months, order it, and eat it very slowly while swearing and sweating"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "oh, I think it will. There's some odd friends in Patrick's circles though that may be troublesome, but they've said I already beat all their previous roommates easily."
Rob says, "there was an earlyish MASH episode where frank burns goes crazy thinking he's seen locals burying a mine outside the camp, but it turns out to be a kimchi pot they were putting in the ground"
jenrexrode says, "i don't think we have a super-h mart"
Rob says (to zarf), "huzzah"
Jizaboz says, "I like just about anything with cabbage anyway so Kimchi looks good"
Rob says, "what's a super-h-mart"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "oh, they'd rather I didn't go nude around them, actually."
jenrexrode says, "unless you mean HEB+"
Rob asks, "HEB plus?"
Doug says, "damn that frank burns"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "aw"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I'll have to work on that slowly, I suppose. :)"
[DustWorld] borowski says, "heh"
Allen says, "no, it's a large korean grocery chain"
[DustWorld] borowski says, "One leg at a time."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "hee hee yeah"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "was trying to think of similar joke"
Allen says, "they have great veggie sections. An entire kimchi aisle. An entire seaweed aisle"
zarf says, "It retrospect it was probably terrible Korean food, but it's what we had in 1990"
jenrexrode says, "I think our biggest is the MT super store"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "They're already quite pleased how I put stuff in the garbage, recycling, and dishwasher as appropriate."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "I always wondered how you'd introduce that idea to a potential or actual roommate"
Allen says, "oh, there's only one in Dallas, and one in Houston"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "did you explain how anal retentive your last roommate was"
Allen | http://www.hmart.com/company_new/shop_main.asp
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Patrick already knows, yes."
jenrexrode says, "we're slowly growing an asian communityl, but nothing like Houston"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "this is also why I asked how the temperature was down in the basement"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "And I suppose Kevin has heard by osmosis."
Allen says, "it's a great store. Always fresh and clean, like korean stores usually are"
[DustWorld] DavidW says (to Rob), "oh, right."
Rob says, "there's all those stores along the big snaky underbelly of 183"
Allen says, "though, the prices are a lot higher than the filthy, hot Hong Kong Market"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "yeah, I'll have to give that a test, i guess."
Rob says, "filthy hot eh"
Allen says, "crappy AC"
Allen says, "floors that look like they maybe see a mop twice a year"
Rob says, "I guess houston is huge enough that it could have a big anything population"
Allen says, "but you can stock up on a month's worth of stuff for $30"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "oh, and the basement has its own shower and toilet so I can probably scoot naked from one to the other as long as I'm the only one in the basement."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "that's a good deal"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "Also, they're asking less rent and including wifi and use of their phone."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "wow"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "nice"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "well I hope it works out"
Allen says, "cilantro is about a quarter a bunch. You can buy a half-dozen banh mi loafs for $2"
Rob asks, "cilantro is asian?"
Allen says, "cilantro is used all the time in chinese and southeast asian cooking"
Rob says, "huh"
Rob says, "I guess as a people they aren't the ones who think it tastes like soap"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "yeah, it's a pretty good deal. There are some oddities here and there that I'll have to get used to. There's no closet in my room, for example, but the hallway outside my door has a clothes rack."
Allen says, "there's a vietnamese cilantro that's slightly mintire, but you can substitute normal cilantro"
[DustWorld] borowski says, "Yeah, it sounds like it's a nice place to live."
Rob says, "the only distinctly asian thing my mom buys is bok choy"
Allen says, "mintier"
Rob says, "which we eat a lot of"
Allen says, "also, it's 8:15 and I'm still at work. finished up so I need to get home"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "There's a false ceiling so I won't be able to put anything on the tops of my shelves, I'm sure."
Rob says, "almost every week in the supermarket my dad and I go buy some and the person at the register looks at it and goes 'uhh' and my dad says '4545', its code number, and they're impressed by this because they don't even know what vegetable it is"
Rob says, "ok seeya"
Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
Gerynar has disconnected.
borowski says, "I grew some bok choy last year. It was very good."
Rob says, "it's not a bad little vegetable plant"
Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
</Fang> Conclusion: My conclusion is large apples.
Rob says, "exotic leafy greens"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "A large light, though, decent window, larger than you'd expect for a basement room, and the bathroom has a floor to ceiling shelving cupboard where I can put more things."
Rob says, "hm I wonder what 'bok choy' means"
Rob says, "it probably means 'leafy vegetable plant'"
[DustWorld] borowski says, "Ooh, shelves are nice."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "the adventure begins"
Miseri says, "It means 'white veggie'."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "a clean slate, blank shelves"
Rob says, "does it? nice"
[DustWorld] borowski says, ">PUT TOOTHBRUSH ON SHELF"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "My fridge will probably have to go in their laundry room; we never quite figured that part out."
Rob says, "which word means white and which one means veggie"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "oh, and they have a TEA CUPBOARD where I'm welcome to help myself."
[DustWorld] Rob asks, "minifridge?"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "no, I own a full-sized fridge."
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "aw, it was just my mortgage statement.  They want $90,000"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "oh wow"
Miseri says, "Bok (or, more properly, 'bak') means 'white'.  'Choy' means 'veggie'."
[DustWorld] Rob asks, "and you moved that with you?"
Rob says, "huh!"
Miseri says, "Unless it's a different 'bok'."
Rob says, "do you know what hsueh lie means"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "yes, I bought it in Toronto and moved it four times already. This'll be the fridge's fifth move."
[DustWorld] Rob says, "dang-o-rama"
[DustWorld] Rob says, "but hey, full-sized fridge"
Miseri says, "Hard to tell with the romanisation ... 'hsueh' looks like it should sound like it means 'bbq'."
Rob says, "ha ha"
Rob says, "current modern spelling is probably Xue"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I'm sure they'd let me use their fridge anyway. but I don't want to lose my fridge if I can help it."
Rob says, "pronounced like 'shreh'"
Miseri says, "Which would not be BBQ."
[DustWorld] borowski says, "Yeah, a fridge is an investment."
Rob says, "this is my mom's name"
Rob says, "which, unfortunately, she hates, because nobody can spell it or pronounce it"
Miseri says, "Could be 'blood'.  Or 'snow'.  Depending on intonation."
Rob says, "even though it means something nice"
Rob says, "snow"
Rob says, "born in december"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I'll probably have to keep most of my cutlery, dishes, and cookware in a box somewhere and just use their stuff. Except Patrick sold me all my best cookware way back when and we'll want to use it, so that's something else to figure out."
Miseri says, "(Tomorrow, Rob discovers that his mom is a super-soldier-ninja-amazon-heroine and it's actually 'blood'.)"
jenrexrode says, "hm, alias Snow Wheeler"
Rob says, "there was a movie a few years back called Curse of the Golden Flower that had a woman-warrior character named (soundslike) shreh, and I'd never heard anyone but my mom called that before, so that was amazing"
zarf says, "Snow White, Rose Red"
Rob says, "supposedly the Lie means 'beautiful', so 'beautiful snow'"
Rob says, "kind of a hippie name"
[I7] Doug says, "hm, the Contents page is not showing me my story file's headings"
Rob says, "she has four sisters and they all kind of got (something)-Lie names, but their names all are comprehensible to american english speakers"
[I7] Doug says, "it says "there are no headings in this project yet".  but I have plenty of headings."
Miseri says, "I'm assuming it's pronounced 'lee' as opposed to 'l-yeh'."
Rob says, "one sounds like 'may' one sounds like 'kay'"
Rob says, "yeah, lee"
[facebook] borowski says, "I keep sending facebook messages that start with quotation marks. "Hi."
[I7] Doug asks, "but I don't number my headings, is that the issue?"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "They actually offered me my choice of two rooms, one of which is upstairs and already furnished, but although the upstairs room is nice, I couldn't see where any of my stuff would go."
[I7] zarf says, "no"
Rob says, "I don't know what it's like going through life hating your own name, but apparently it sucks"
[facebook] jenrexrode says, "I've done that once or twice"
[I7] zarf asks, "do they syntax-color to a larger font?"
Grocible says, "so change it"
Rob says, "though when people say 'well, change it' she refuses to, as if she wants to hold onto that resentment, which not only also sucks, but is stupid and counterproductive to having a happier life"
Rob says, "yeah exactly"
Grocible says, "like that Monty Python joke. "Arthur Penis is changing his name. From now on he will be known professionally as Art Penis.""
Rob says, "ha ha"
[facebook] borowski says, "(I also rejoined facebook. I'll get around to cleaning things up one day.)"
Rob says, "wait, I don't recognize that python joke"
[I7] Doug says, "yep.  And the Contents tab in the Index has all the headings"
Grocible says, "it's a very obscure one"
Miseri says, "When I changed my name, it was only to a different romanisation of the same character."
Rob says, "there shouldn't be any python jokes I don't recognize"
[facebook] jenrexrode says, "oh , there you are"
Grocible asks, "do you own a copy of the Brand New Monty Python Bok?"
Rob says, "the chinese characters for my mom's name are neat looking"
Grocible asks, "or, for that matter, the Brand New Monty Python Papperbok?"
Miseri says, "The original being the profoundly unpronounceable Hokkien 'Ng'."
Rob says (to Grocible), "no, doggone darn it"
[DustWorld] DavidW says, "I was kinda sad to have to pass up on the upstairs room, 'cause its closet was wonderfully large."
Grocible says, "Then that is  your answer"
Rob says, "I tried to collect as many of their books as I could but only so many were available when I was hunting back in the mid 80s"
Rob says, "rats"
Doug asks, "or the Brand New Monty Python Bok Choi?"
Grocible says, "That's what eBay is for"
Rob says, "well hey, any new python joke is fun to hear since they're vanishingly rare"
[facebook] borowski says, "Oh yeah, I got around to looking at your house plans."
[facebook] borowski says, "It looks very nice."
Rob says, "there was this one episode of python, number 42 as it happens, that I missed every cycle of episodes even as I watched the other ones five to eight to nine times over and over again. it was for me the lost episode"
Rob says, "when I eventually bought the dvd set there was one whole *brand new episode* I had never seen"
Rob says, "and it actually has its good points and charms for being a last-season episode"
Doug asks, "did they just leave it out of the PBS reshowings or whatever?"
Rob says, "it ends with a neil innes song"
Grocible says, "the Bok is available cheaply on eBay"
Rob says (to Doug), "or I just somehow accidentally missed it every time"
Rob says, "hmm"
Grocible says, "it's pretty good. It had all kinds of fun things"
Rob says, "I liked their books"
Grocible says, "like a sticker on the inside cover"
Grocible says, "and stuff printed on different stock"
Rob says, "it was fun to watch them do comedy in every medium that came along"
Grocible says, "and a few racist jokes, as per the time"
Doug says, "It's weird to think of the days pre-Tivo when you could miss stuff on TV"
DorianX says, "eek"
Doug says, "it's even weirder now that I'm post-Tivo and don't watch stuff on TV at all"
DorianX says, "Dylan bit leah"
DorianX says, "She screamed, as one would expect"
Rob says, "I used to VHS tape and save everything, and the records show that I recorded every episode of python except #42"
[stress] jenrexrode says, "even though I didn't find a check from my insurance company, I took the opportunity to drop off my neighbor's misdelivered mail.  They didn't even notice.  As a matter of fact, their box was nearly full, so they may not even notice the delay."
Rob says (to DX), "yawp"
Rob asks, "teeth?"
DorianX says, "(he bit her on the nipple)"
[stress] Rob asks, "are they out of town?"
Rob says, "ouch."
DorianX says, "Yeah. Two or three little razor-sharp nubs in his lower jaw"
Rob says, "one hears that the milk teeth are in fact razor sharp"
[stress] jenrexrode says, "dunno, there were 2 cars there, but the house seemed still when I opened the mailbox on their porch."
Jizaboz exclaims, "Goodnight!"
Jizaboz paddles away.
</Jizaboz> Jizaboz has disconnected from ifMUD.
[stress] Rob says, "with all your senses heightened by the act of infiltrating your neighbor's mailbox"
Doug says, "I knew a guy who VHS taped every Letterman, and saved all the tapes for years"
Grocible says, "I bought a few old books from my childhood, like Terry Gilliam's Animations of Mortality"
[stress] jenrexrode says, "oh yeah"
zarf says, "I had a crate of DS9 for years. Then I threw it out"
Rob says, "I wish I could take the VHS library and convert it to digital and make it an online resource"
Grocible says, "I don't want to try and get it signed, though part of me does"
zarf says, "But I never was systematic about Monty Python."
Rob says, "I recorded all sorts of interstitial and ephemeral stuff in the minutes surrounding or between the shows I wanted"
Doug asks, "is it not all on Youtube anyway?"
Rob says, "and some of that I don't know whether it's out there at all"
Rob says, "some of it may not yet be"
Doug says, "ah"
Rob says, "but it's exactly the sort of stuff that should be"
Hugo says, "I don't even bother remembering anything anymore because I assume it'll be on YouTube."
Doug says, "send it to jscott!"
Rob says, "but it'd take resources and man hours to do something with it"
Grocible says, "Hugo's life is suffering a chilling effect from DCMA takedowns"
Rob says, "I have been thinking about this for years, and the tapes are rotting and going more speckly with every year of age"
Rob says, "if there were some sort of grant or some way to form a company that would do it or a company that could hire another company to do it"
Doug says, "I have a bunch of VHS tapes of music videos I recorded from MTV 120 Minutes"
Rob says, "or sell it to google so they can do it or a library or a media college or something"
Doug says, "one of these days I want to make sure they are all on youtube before I pitch them"
jenrexrode says, "yeah, I decided my time converting old Austin Stories was worth $40 for the DVD.  Plus the swore the money when to the creators and not some huge corporation."
K-Y says (to Doug), "I have those as well"
Doug says, "oh, well I cna pitch them now then!"
Rob says, "I was watching some old tape where I recorded a night of sitcoms from the 1980s, and there was a news break where president reagan came on and denied anything to do with Iran-Contra"
K-Y says, "the problem was I always missed the start because it takes time to start recording"
Rob says, "and I was like wow look at that"
Rob says, "oh wow Austin Stories"
Doug says, "yeah I sort of regret not recording commercials and stuff"
Rob says, "I mostly completely missed that though I knew it was going on"
Rob says, "yeah, commercials"
Doug says, "I would actually vigilantly pause and unpause"
Rob says, "the weird intro movie bits on cable that used to come on before the shows"
Doug says, "my version of 'in-camera editing' I guess"
K-Y says, "pause and unpause was the key"
jenrexrode says, "but my life is based on Austin Stories, no wonder you don't understand me.  boo hoo"
Rob says, "news breaks, ads, total ephemera, but that's why it's keen to have a copy of"
K-Y says, "but most of the time I didn't know to start ahead of time"
Rob says, "aw"
Grocible says, "or stuff like that cable signal hijacker who appeared in a Max Headroom mask"
jenrexrode says, "hm, I'll have to try that tape watching without FF"
Rob says, "I used to program the VCR with a five or ten minute buffer on either end, or way longer at the tail end, in case I made a mistake"
jenrexrode says, "or just FF thru the show"
Doug says (to K-Y), "I got pretty good at hitting record ahead of time, then immediately pausing, and unpausing when the videos started"
Rob says, "my brother later went through these tapes and typed up a database of what was on all of them, then printed out a searchable index"
Doug says, "and I'd stop and rewind whenever they showed a video I had already recorded"
Rob says, "man, I really want to do something with those tapes"
Rob says, "they're all just baking into entropic decay in a room in my parents' house"
DorianX says, "I did much the same thing"
K-Y says, "the other problem was that by the time I was recording, they had already stopped showing music videos before 5pm"
K-Y says, "er, after"
Rob says, "time is actually of the essence if I want to save what's on them"
Rob says, "sometimes this haunts me as I go to bed at night, that nothing's being done to preserve these tapes"
jenrexrode says, "I really liked all those nick-at-nite bumpers"
Rob says, "I got a lot of nick-at-nite, and early nickelodeon"
Doug says, "we have some undergrad co-ops at work.  I was going to ask them if they buy CDs, or if they just Napster everything, but then I remember that they wouldn't remember Napster either"
DorianX says, "In 2006, I took a bunch of the VHS tapes down to the park and hid them behind rocks and in hollows in trees and suchlike"
K-Y says, "ah yes, the bumpers"
Rob says, "I think we first got a vcr in 1983 or 1984, so the tapes start there and then go to the late 90s"
Doug says, "Napster was like 13 years ago, and these are 20-year-olds"
Rob says, "there's hundreds of them"
K-Y says, "my music video channel made bumpers with actually good music videos"
Rob says, "and they're labeled and indexed thanks to my brother"
K-Y says, "then proceeded to never play said videos"
jenrexrode says, "my three sons song is cool"
Rob says, "wow I haven't thought of the my three sons theme song in years"
Rob says, "even though there was an obit a week ago for the oldest brother on the show"
jenrexrode exclaims, "they've got a dad, his name is steve, he's got a job, he's really tall!"
Rob says, "ha ha I remember that"
Rob says, "oh wow yeah"
DorianX says, "I always sort of miss the ABC Tuesday Night Movie theme in the middle of Star Trek 2"
jenrexrode says, "oh yeah, Don Grady"
Rob says (to DX), "yeah! that sort of thing"
Rob says, "things you got really used to and comfortable hearing but when time marched on it disappeared"
Rob says, "kind of the same thing with ads, I guess"
Rob says, "I feel like I really have to, within the next 6 months, actually investigate and pursue what I can do with these tapes"
Rob says, "preserving and sharing is the motive rather than profit"
K-Y says, "anyway, the joy of music videos is gone"
Rob says, "like I feel like I saved something worth saving somewhere and I really wish it actually did get saved and shared"
K-Y says, "now that the apex of videomaking is to make it look like a cheap indie film despite the huge budget"
Rob asks, "it is?"
Rob says, "I made a cheap indie film and tried to make it look like it had a bigger budget"
K-Y says, "see, that was what they tried to do in the 90s"
Rob says, "I don't think I entirely succeeded, but I did the best I could to conjure production value"
Grocible says, "nowadays you'd fake anamorphic lens flare"
Rob says, "the lens flare effect in photoshop and aftereffects"
Grocible says, "I used fishing line"
[cycling] jenrexrode says, "this climb to la toussuire is really beautiful."
Rob says, "has a default setting that's cheesy looking, and you can get a lot more out of it by tailoring it"
Rob says, "I have seen dozens of times movies using the default setting that looks terrible"
Rob says, "which always makes me laugh weakly"
[cycling] Rob says, "mm"
[cycling] Rob says, "la toussuire"
DorianX says, "I tried ot clip my big toenail today"
DorianX says, "And the nail clipper broke"
[cycling] Rob says, "that name is kind of pretty in and of itself"
Rob says, "in other news, adamantium toenails"
Grocible says, "fishing line > http://nkguy.com/temp/cave "
Grocible says, "it's a bit too high contrasty. real anamorphic lens flare is more translucent"
borowski says (to DorianX), "That happened to me before. It ripped asunder, it did."
Rob asks, "is that a fake lens flare?"
[cycling] jenrexrode says, "uhuh.  I've been watching for 4.5 hours.  it's rare that you could watch a travel show and not go bonkers after 4.5 hours of tips, but there's only been 1 tourism tip so far."
Rob says, "it's kind of john mctiernan die hard lens flare"
Grocible says, "it's a bit of fishing line taped to the back of the lens, that is"
DorianX says, "This was kinda weird. It just *snapped*. It sounded exactly like it had clipped the toenail except that instead of a bit of toenail falling away, a bit of nail clipper fell away"
Rob says, "fishing line? how does that work"
Rob asks, "it catches the light?"
Grocible says, "stick the line vertically"
Grocible says, "yeah"
Rob says, "wow, what an interesting trick"
Rob says, "hm maybe that's why the line is not completely straight, but a bit curved"
Grocible says, "that's right"
Grocible says, "I couldn't get the line to lie flat"
Grocible says, "in my book I fake it by straightening out the line"
Rob says, "wow but I wouldn't have guessed that's what you did"
Rob asks, "what cave is that?"
Grocible says, "it works well enough and it's zero-budget, but it's not very flexible as it's in-camera"
Grocible says, "so you can't fuck with it after the fact"
Rob says, "yeah"
Grocible says, "Valentine Cave. A lava tube in northern California"
Rob asks, "where'd you learn the fishing line trick?"
Grocible says, "heard about it somewhere and thought I'd give it a go"
Grocible says, "I got very dirty taking that shot"
Rob says, "the line is smack in the center of the light source though"
jenrexrode says, "put it in liquid nitrogen"
zarf says, "(The better answer is 'oh, it's actually my living room. I made it look rocky by coloring the edge of the lens with a blank Sharpie')"
Rob asks, "can you see the line as you're lining up the shot?"
Rob says (to zarf), "hee"
Grocible says, "no, the line appears wherever there's a bright light source, just like real flare"
Rob says, "oh, huh"
Grocible says, "since this is real flare of a sort, just not caused by an anamorphic element"
Rob asks, "but is the fishing line centered in the lens?"
Grocible says, "Yeah"
Grocible says, "Vertical"
Rob says, "I'm vaguely fascinated by this"
Rob says, "vertical? no way"
Grocible says, "I set up a radio flash unit"
Rob ponders how that works
Grocible says, "way back in the cave"
Grocible says, "then I had to set the timer"
Grocible says, "run back to my mark (the rock on the cave floor you'll notice)"
Rob says, "though that partly explains how it tracks to the midpoint of the lightsource"
Grocible says, "grab a handful of dirt"
Grocible says, "chuck it in the air"
Grocible says, "to simulate smoke"
Grocible says, "and then pose"
Allen says, "and it was dark until then? Was it terrifying? Something could have snuck up on you. Something evil. In the dark"
Grocible says, "really frickin' time consuming"
Rob says, "the smoke is a handful of dirt? wow"
Rob says, "the thing one does for one's art"
Grocible says, "yeah it was pitch black and hard to work in"
Rob says (to allen), "hee hee"
zarf says, "A clear vertical cylinder bends light every which way horizontally. Try playing with a glass rod and a laser pointer"
Grocible says, "it's a cave in a national park with bats in it. I didn't want to use a smoke machine"
zarf says, "Sorry, I am typing late tonight"
Rob says, "oh because it's a flash unit, so you had to scramble in a lot of darkness"
Grocible says, "what zarf says"
<vaporware> DON'T buy a parrot figuring that it will be a fun surprise for me.
vaporware found it quite nice to have a kind word spoken, unlike the usual torments he had faced in his gladiatorial deity wars.
Rob says, "I smell a wumpus"
K-Y says, "hmm, that's vaguely themed like a drawing I was going to do"
Rob says (to zarf), "yeah I'm grasping it"
K-Y says, "now I can get the lighting right"
Rob says, "vw"
Grocible says, "the lens flare to the left of the shot is the native lens flare"
jenrexrode says, "hm, I'm learning , but it's not hurting my brain"
Grocible says, "I did have to photoshop one thing in that picture"
Rob says, "I had to learn a certain amount of appreciation for photography while studying filmmaking"
Grocible says, "I didn't take jeans on the trip, because i flew on a shit budget airline"
Grocible says, "and couldn't take much luggage"
Grocible says, "so I had cargo pants on"
Grocible says, "and so my legs in that photo looked totally wrong. you don't wear baggy trousers with a tail coat"
Grocible says, "so I had to photoshop straight trousers for my legs"
jenrexrode says, "hehe"
Rob says, "tangential or vaguely apropos of which, I just caught the tail end of a francis coppola movie I've never seen, Rumble Fish, and the movie was kind of dull but the cinematography was sparklingly excellent black and white and is what I watched"
Rob says, "I waited until the end credits to see who the DP was but I didn't recognize the name, though I tipped my hat to him"
Allen asks, "your literal hat?"
Rob asks, "that's you posing in the photo too?"
Grocible says, "that's the second time this week Rumble Fish has come up"
Grocible says, "last time it was a dinner guest at Jan Harlan's house talking about it"
Rob says, "so you set the flash, ran to the rock marker spot, threw dirt in the air, then struck a pose"
Grocible says, "yeah it was a one-man show, that photo"
Rob asks (of Grocible), "what was the conversation about it?"
Allen says, "man, that's hard work"
Grocible says, "no the flash was on a tripod with a radio trigger"
[I7] Doug asks, "is the concept of 'animate' an I6 thing?"
Grocible says, "rob: oh the other dinner guest liked it"
Allen asks (of Grocible), "how long did you have to search to find the perfect spot?"
Grocible says, "she enjoyed seeing all these later to be famous actors"
Rob says, "I've made videos with just me doing similar stuff and trying to make it not look like I was doing all that"
Allen asks, "or did you try that in more than one place?"
Grocible says, "allen: yeah. took over an hour"
[I7] vaporware says, "Yes. I7 has creatures."
Rob says, "anyway, I recommend looking at the photography of rumble fish"
Grocible says, "I went to a couple caves looking for the right one"
jenrexrode says, "and the guns on Matt Dillon"
Grocible says, "I remembered this one from a trip 5 years ago, and it was right"
[I7] Rob says, "you need animates and creatures in I6 to be able to talk to things"
Grocible says, "the curve of the wall was perfect"
Allen says, "yeah"
[I7] vaporware says, "er, I guess I7 has people, not creatures"
[I7] Rob says, "in the object definition there's animate in the verb definition there's creature"
[I7] zarf says, "animate is in the I7 library code but it's hidden"
Allen asks, "lots of bats? Was it full of ammonia?"
[I7] Doug says, "'give X to Y' gives 'You can only do that to something animate.' when Y is not animate (I'm using Neutral Library Messages), even though I have an 'instead of giving anything to Y' rule"
Grocible says, "you see, I needed a shot for a double-page spread in the book. you can't have information in the middle of the frame, as it gets lost in the gutter between the pages"
[I7] Rob says, "but you can make inanimate objects talkable"
[I7] vaporware says, "And an animal is a kind of person, just like in Animal House."
Grocible says, "so I needed to frame it with the main information on one side"
[I7] Rob says, "to-ga to-ga"
Grocible says, "bats would occasionally fly by, but mostly they live deep in the cave"
Allen says, "I once got to visit the largest bat cave in Texas. The ammonia... man. Like holding a container of window spray under your nose"
[I7] Doug says, "so the error seems to happen at a lower level or something"
Rob says (to jen), "ha ha the guns"
[I7] zarf says, "right. the verb is set up to secretly check for the animate flag"
Rob says, "mainly I was thinking 'ha ha, lookit nic cage's hair'  'wow, matt dillon still basically looks the same, but mickey rourke has a completely different face now'"
[I7] Doug asks, "how do I intercept that?"
Rob says, "'hey, there's dennis hopper. he's dead now'"
[I7] zarf says, "you can catch the parser error, or redefine the verb"
[I7] Doug asks, "or should I just give Y the animate flag?"
[I7] zarf says, "or do that."
[I7] Doug says, "(here Y is 'the crowd' in the market, which just always ignores the player)"
Grocible says, "I wish I'd had a proper cane with me for the shot"
[I7] zarf says, "make it a person, is easiest"
Rob says, "'wow, look at the photographic lighting in every shot'"
[I7] Doug asks, "how do I do that?  do I have to escape to I6?"
[comics] K-Y says, "hmm"
Grocible says, "I bought a length of dowel at Home Depot. No money for much more."
[comics] K-Y | Celebrating the twenty-fifth anniversary of his groundbreaking series, Neil Gaiman returns to "Sandman" in November for a miniseries illustrated by JH Williams III.
[I7] Doug says, "oh a person"
[lunch] jenrexrode says, "I had a veggie-free club, because I threw out all my veggies after they went bad."
Rob says, "I only caught the last half hour of it"
[I7] Doug asks, "can I make it plural too?"
Rob says, "but it was in HD resolution video"
[I7] zarf says, "yes."
Rob says, "so it was pretty sparkly"
[comics] Rob says, "wow, 25 years"
[comics] Rob says, "huh sandman revisited"
Allen says, "I have a lot of great canes. I inherited all my grandfather's canes"
[comics] Rob says, "I was never able to get into that"
Grocible says, "Rumble Fish also had an early solo Stewart Copeland soundtrack"
Allen says, "not that they're old, but they're great, because he made them all himself"
[comics] Rob says, "kept browsing the books to try to get hooked by it and nothing grabbed me"
Allen says, "my favorite has a carved claw-hammer head for the handle"
[videogames] boucher says, "Wow, you know you have too many sequels when you actually can't keep them straight when publishing your own games."
[comics] Rob says, "it was kind of arcane and distant and not something I could ever manage to buy"
[videogames] Rob says, "which wha"
[comics] zarf says, "I am of the generation of comics nerds who were pulled in by Sandman and, er, never read too much else"
Grocible says, "yeah that's what I would've wanted"
Rob says (to Grocible), "is that who did the music? because I stopped to notice the music at one point"
Allen says, "there was a storm in the 80s that blew down his dogwood tree int he back yard, so he made several out of limbs from that tree"
jenrexrode says, "hm, my dad used the claw hammer as a cane to get out of the hole in my floor when he was recently here."
Rob says, "near the climax there was this incredible drum solo that was expertly engineered and miked"
Allen says, "the thing was, my grandfather was absolute a dirt-cheap scrooge"
[videogames] boucher says, "Koei released a PSP port of Romance of the Three Kingdoms VIII..."
[videogames] boucher says, "And accidentally put Romance of the Three Kingdoms VII on the discs."
Allen says, "he would refuse to buy a $10 cane at the drug store, and instead spend 20 hours carving one for himself"
[comics] K-Y | "When I finished writing THE SANDMAN, there was one tale still untold. The story of what had happened to Morpheus to allow him to be so easily captured in THE SANDMAN #1, and why he was returned from far away, exhausted beyond imagining, and dressed for war. It was a story that we discussed telling for SANDMAN's 20th anniversary... but the time got away from us. And now, with SANDMAN's 25th anniversary year coming up, I'm delighted, and nervous, that that story is finally going to be told," said Gaiman.
Rob says, "I can see myself one day acquiring the affectation of a cane, to go along with my hat and the suit jackets"
Rob says, "hand-carved canes, wow"
Allen says, "or, less time. Some of them have handles made of old door gnobs"
Allen says, "nobs"
Grocible says, ""Don't Box Me In""
[videogames] Rob says, "derrr"
[comics] Rob says, "that sounds all right"
Allen says, "one of the end tables in my living room is a piece of furniture he made as a teenager"
[comics] zarf says, "sure, I'll read that"
Grocible says, "vocals are by Stan Ridgway"
[comics] vimes says, "awesome"
[comics] zarf says, "I mean I just bought 'Legends of the Dark Crystal Volume 1' based on shallower nostalgia than that"
Rob says, "hey, stan ridgway"
Rob says, "I'm on a mexican, wohoh, radio"
[comics] zarf says, "(sorry: 'Dark Crystal: Creation Myths')"
Rob says, "my college roomie was a stan ridgway fan"
jenrexrode asks, "wall of voodoo?"
Allen says, "he was dirt cheap though. Traveled the world. Visited 6 continents. Went to nearly every country in Europe. But, on vacation, he'd want to eat sack lunches or mcdonalds. And for really, really special occasions, a night out at red lobster"
Rob says, "I only knew that one song and he was all bahhh you listen to this"
Grocible says, "Drive She Said is so awesome"
[videogames] boucher says, "I haven't actually played any game of this series since the first NES one"
Rob says, "his face coming out of a pot of baked beans remains indelible in my mind from the early years of MTV though"
[videogames] boucher says, "Perhaps it's formulaic enough, only close scrutiny will reveal any differences."
Grocible says, "Jan Harlan didn't know who SE Hinton was, though"
Rob says, "he was also really into Gary Numan"
[videogames] boucher says, "I seem to recall it being sort of a feudal Chinese version of Risk."
Rob says, "hm I just learned who SE Hinton is recently it seems like"
Grocible says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLGoNn4RNK0&feature=related "
[videogames] boucher says, "Or perhaps a little bit like Settlers of Catan."
Jacqueline says, "Hi."
Grocible says, "I think I read That Was Then, This is Now"
Grocible says, "but I don't really remember much about it"
borowski says, "Gary Numan is OK."
borowski says, "Hey Jacqueline."
[space] Jacqueline says, "This is the best URL."
Rob says, "I always want to misspell gary numan's name"
[music] Allen says, "I have really become fascinated with the villanella in the past month. It's a vigorous rustic song form from Naples that kinda took the amateur music market by storm in the mid 16th century"
Rob says, "only google kept me from doing it again"
Grocible says, "of course, this is Gary Numan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbV_Ju1eqHI "
[music] Allen says, "a lot of them are rather rudely suggestive"
Rob says, "my college roomie was a good one for my musical education"
Rob says, "he knew everything I was into, appreciated about 80 or 90 percent of it, and then knew 300 more things I hadn't heard of"
[music] Allen says, "'Come lady, learn the gagliarda [a dance], you must learn under the master. Here, come study under the master. You must practice all day and all night'"
Grocible says, "This is also Gary Numan, but shorter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dg7Xr0ZMmo&feature=related "
Rob says, "plus it was in the early days of CDs where it was easy to be curious and voracious about buying albums"
[music] Allen says, "but they're not much recorded, which is sad. I've found about a half-dozen albums devoted completely to the form"
Rob says, "3 mustafas 3"
Rob says, "sun king, that kind of stuff"
jenrexrode says, "it seemed like you could buy them all back then"
Rob says, "yeah, and for 11.99"
Rob says, "which wow in 2012 dollars is probably 30 bucks by now"
[music] boucher says, "You, with your ladies who must study under the master and your 15-year-old girls who must not come to the fountain....  I know where your mind is, you filthy musician."
Rob says, "most of my cd collection dates from 1988-1994"
Rob says, "and it's not insubstantial"
[music] Allen says, "heh. That was a French chanson (though published in the netherlands)"
[music] Rob says (to boucher), "hee hee"
Rob says, "I was also making a lot of mix tapes"
Allen says, "I got a cd player in 85 but cds didn't outstrip tapes, in my buying patterns, until the early 90s"
Rob says, "so I was buying stuff just to get one cool song to make a mix tape have more zing"
Rob says, "85? that's crazy early"
Rob says, "was it VCR sized or something"
K-Y says, "that's what greatest hits are for"
Allen says, "my first cd was Bruce Springsteen's Born in the USA"
Allen says, "no, it wasn't vcr sized"
Rob says, "my first was Abbey Road, on purpose as a commemorative first CD"
Allen says, "just... cd player sized. About half the height of a vcr"
Rob says, "CDs didn't seem to go big until 87"
Grocible says, "see, that's Rob. Always looking back forward from the past!"
Rob says, "I guess I think of that time because that's when the Beatles finally came out on CD"
Allen says, "I think it cost me $130"
Rob says, "then all the ruckus about the first CDs being mono"
Allen says, "which was a lot for a teenager"
Rob says, "well yeah"
[I7] Doug | >smell north
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[I7] Doug says, "well, sure"
Rob says (to Grocible), "that is me yeah"
K-Y says, "for me the Beatles came out on CD in 2009"
Allen asks, "the first Beatles CDs? mono?"
Grocible asks, "rob: presumably you've seen that video where the guy talks to himself age 12?"
K-Y says, "and it felt like it should have been a bigger deal"
Rob asks (of Allen), "yes...?"
Allen says, "I thought the problem with the first beatles CDs was that they were stereo"
Rob says, "no"
Allen says, "and the really crappy stereo"
Rob says, "they're mono"
borowski says, "I think my first CD was Beethoven or Pachelbel. But first 20th century CD was definitely The Beatles."
Rob says, "check your facts mister"
Allen says, "because they would do like two channels on the left, and two on the right"
Rob says, "those were the LPS"
Allen says, "hmm"
Rob says, "and people were upset because they wanted to hear that fake stereo, but george martin said the mono masters were the best"
Allen says, "I also have one of the early Bob Dylan's Blonde on Blonde"
Rob says, "you cannot contradict me on my beatles facts"
Allen says, "the album was 78 minutes"
Rob says, "CDs were just enough to fit that"
Rob says, "though the benchmark was beethoven's 9th of course"
Allen says, "but the CD standard from the early 80s was 76 minutes"
Rob says, "I have that same blonde on blonde"
Allen says, "it later got expanded. Then expanded again"
Allen says, "so they cut out 30 seconds"
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[music] Jacqueline settles in with her new Fiona Apple album.
[music] Rob asks, "there's new fiona apple?"
borowski says, "I had a boombox where one of the speakers went out, and I couldn't listen to a Beatles CD because every voice was completely on the left or the right."
[music] Grocible asks, "she's still going?"
[music] Rob says, "are you having a nice glass of wine with your fiona apple"
Allen says, "I had a lot of beatles albums on cd in the late 80s. I went through a big beatles phase in the 80s"
Allen says, "but I got over it"
[music] Jacqueline says, "Well, I guess it's 2011, but eMusic just sent out a note about it this week."
K-Y says, "I kind of wish I could have experienced albums as two-sided experiences"
[music] borowski says, "I've heard mixed reviews, but apparently it is interesting."
Rob says, "it does alter the experience"
[music] Jacqueline says (to Rob), "I should, but I already have a diet root beer."
Grocible says, "the sound quality would get worse and worse as the needle neared the middle"
Allen says, "and in the mid 90s, a friend had his car broken into, and they stole every one of his cds, so I gifted him about 90% of my rock cds"
Rob says, "I have this tom petty album, Full Moon Fever, from 1989"
Grocible says, "and they'd always stick a self-indulgent instrumental as the last track side 1"
Allen says, "by that time, I was listening to very little rock music"
[music] K-Y says, "if it's the really long-titled one, that's this year"
Allen says, "I just kept my dylan ones, and a few others"
[music] K-Y says, "the *other* really long-titled one"
Rob says, "and there's this bit in the middle where he says 'hey this is where the record and cassette people have to flip over, so we're putting this extra bit in the CD, ok, here's side two'"
[music] Jacqueline says (to Grobcible), "Yeah, every few years she comes up for air and releases something."
[music] Jacqueline says (to K-Y), "Oh, okay.  Wikipedia misled me."
[music] Rob says, "ok don't mix wine and diet root beer"
Allen says, "I do miss going to stores"
Allen says (to Rob), "oh, the tower records on guadalupe!"
[music] Jacqueline says (to K-Y), "Shocking, I know."
Rob says, "I used to like browsing in tower records"
[music] Jacqueline says (to Rob), "After the root beer is done."
borowski asks, "There aren't any local record stores?"
Rob says, "first in palo alto, then in los angeles on sunset boulevard, then in austin at the defunct varsity theater"
Rob says, "now they're all gone"
Rob says, "austin has waterloo records and cheapo discs"
K-Y says, "yeah, it's not great"
Allen says, "that had a great classical section. You went up stairs, and it was completely closed in, so the rock music they were playing downstairs was inaudible"
[music] Jacqueline says (to K-Y), "Maga thought the title of the CD was long until I showed him the full title to When the Pawn..."
Rob says (to Allen), "yeah"
Rob says, "I liked the upstairs"
K-Y says, "on the other hand, CDs prices on the internet seem to have bottomed out"
Allen says, "when I lived in Austin, waterloo was on south austin and was *tiny*"
Rob says, "yeah, along south lamar"
Allen says, "but it was great because they let you return cds you didn't like"
Allen says, "and also, they had some unauthorized bootlegs"
Rob says, "it's still going pretty strong in its current location at lamar & sixth"
Allen says, "I bought a couple dylan bootleg imports there"
Allen says (to Rob), "I went there in the late 90s but was really disappointed by the crappy classical selection"
borowski says, "That's interesting."
[music] K-Y checks a music video
Rob says, "cheapo discs is further north on lamar, kind of where strait music used to be"
[music] K-Y says, "you see, this is what I mean by making videos that try to look like cheap indie films"
jenrexrode says, "where the original whole foods was"
Rob says, "I go there because the wife of one of the owners went to high school with me"
Allen says, "not that the 80s waterloo was better, but my tastes were mainstream then"
Rob says (to jen), "hey yeah"
Rob says, "I guess they fixed the lamar flooding thing because I haven't heard of it getting swamped in a way long time"
Rob says, "aahhhhh mosquitos are totally out in force"
Rob says, "I have to go inside immediately"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.