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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> “I’ve got a significant strawberry,’’ he said.
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, banana, Anything Finder, battle.net battletags, his pants
Players: Alex, markm, GDorn, Touchy, DorianX, Jearl, baf, Jon, Allen, Ryan, Matthew, Doug, Dave, Psmith, lpsmith, annabianca, Whizzard, Marktwo, McMartin, jpt, vimes, vaporware, zarf, ghira, DavidW, Emily, Jota, Johnny, Ellison, boucher, genericgeekgirl, two-star
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 3078 lines from recent channels:
[google]/12:42 inky says, "maybe you're allowed to record people in public spaces the same as you're allowed to photograph them"
[youtube]|12:42 katre says, "I like how it advances quickly then moves back uphill"
[youtube]|12:43 Gunther says, "I need a looping animated gif"
[youtube]|12:44 inky says, "wow"
[youtube]|12:44 Tale says, "I am reminded of the Hypnotoad"
[youtube]|12:44 borowski says, "I wonder if it would behave the same way on a more even treadmill."
[youtube]|12:45 borowski says, "I also wonder if such an experiment would get me kicked out of the gym."
[gayrights]|12:49 Allen | "At a certain point, you have to turn the corner and realize that we're all in now for the president's reelection; we're going to stop kicking the cat," said one official at a gay rights organization.
[gayrights]|12:49 markm asks, "what cat were they kicking?!??"
[gayrights]|12:50 Tale says, "A breeder"
[photo]|12:50 Gunther asks, "goddammit how can this be so hard?"
[photo]|12:50 Gunther says, "I want a bag for a camera and an extra lens"
[photo]|12:50 Gunther says, "this turns out to be impossible"
[gayrights]|12:52 DavidW says, "They shouldn't be kicking cats whoever they are; that's just wrong."
[youtube]|12:53 DavidW says, "oh, I missed the latest Table Top. Must watch."
[photo]|13:00 inky says, "I am pretty sure that if you want to buy a particular camera accessory and can't you are mistaken"
[photo]|13:00 inky says, "although if you mean you can't buy it for a reasonable price you might be correct"
[photo]|13:01 Gunther says, "no, the former"
[photo]|13:01 Gunther says, "you can get it for one camera and nothing, or one camera and >1 lens"
[photo]|13:01 Gunther says, "but not 1 camera + 1 lens"
[photo]|13:02 Gunther says, "unl... oh god you fucking morons"
[photo]|13:03 Gunther says, "yeah I guess you can"
[youtube]|13:03 borowski says, "I really need to find a board gaming group."
[college]|13:03 katre says, "yay grades"
[college]|13:04 borowski asks, "Is that a 'yay!' or a 'yay...'?"
[photo]|13:04 Gunther says, "ok, now to find one that is as tiny as possible"
[college]|13:04 katre says, "it's a yay, As in all classes"
[college]|13:04 katre says, "(for values of 'all' equals 'two')"
[college]|13:05 Gunther says, "you disgusting swot"
[college]|13:05 katre says, "I know"
[videogames]|13:10 Gunther says, "#wtf #no http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/05/21/origin-sets-up-stall-for-crowd-funded-games "
[lounge]|13:12 Hjalfi says, "Hometime."
[lounge]|13:12 Hjalfi enthusiastically mundanifies between spasms of personality-occultism and off-topic casual/social-leveraging.
[quotations]|13:12 katre | The time to prepare is now, before panic sets in, and it is too late.  This post begins this critical task by considering whether someone who becomes a zombie should be considered dead for estate tax purposes.
[quotations]|13:13 Gunther says, "alt-f4"
[videogames]|13:13 inky says, "hmm"
[quotations]|13:13 katre | http://lawandthemultiverse.com/2012/05/21/death-and-taxes-and-zombies/
[videogames]|13:17 Gunther says, "naturally, the forum is kinda unhappy:"
[videogames]|13:17 Gunther | This whole project has been touted as a crusade against publisher evils, and now it´s being used to promot the online platform of the least trusted publishers of them all?
[videogames]|13:17 Gunther says, "or maybe 'bewildered'"
[videogames]|13:18 Gunther says, "to my amazement there is not a single histronic post in the first 10 or so"
[videogames]|13:19 Gunther says, "I agree with"
[videogames]|13:19 Gunther | Nobody at EA management would have been willing to put down just a penny of the companies money to fund a game which lives outside of market research and calculating business models. They did not have the slightest bit of faith about this and they should not be able to get their hands on any of its return
[lounge]|13:19 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[videogames]|13:20 Gunther says, "actually, no, I guess they just up and gave him the rights to the name"
[youtube]|13:21 DavidW says, "heh. That was fun."
[lounge]|13:28 borowski wasn't listening, but he completely disagrees.
[lounge]|13:28 * borowski has disconnected.
[I7]|13:29 maga asks, "hmm, what does I7 call switch blocks?"
[I7]|13:30 zarf asks, "if statements?"
[I7]|13:30 DavidW says, "I can't remember."
[tired]|13:31 Jon says, "inexplicably tired this morning"
[I7]|13:31 DavidW says, "I just remember there's a syntax with double hyphens."
[I7]|13:31 genericgeekgirl says, "I don't know if it's called anything in particular, but I think this is what you want (at the bottom): http://inform7.com/learn/man/ex366.html "
[I7]|13:31 zarf says, "11.8"
[I7]|13:32 maga says (to ggg), "aha, that's what I need, yeah"
[lounge]|13:32 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[I7]|13:32 maga says, "the issue is that I use begin/end rather than indented notation, so I can't just copy Emily's code"
[I7]|13:33 maga says, "(and it looks as if you're just not allowed to do this with begin/end)"
[I7]|13:33 zarf says, "right"
[lounge]|13:33 olethros says, "re"
[lounge]|13:33 ghira says, "olethros"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:37 markm says, "It's 13:37"
[dinner]|13:40 olethros says, "risotto!"
[apropos-of-nothing]|13:41 DavidW asks, "We can haz lunch now?"
[news]|13:41 olethros asks, "anti-NATO protests?"
[news]|13:42 Tale says, "Laurie Penny was live-tweeting about it"
[news]|13:42 Gunther asks, "wow, Laurie Penny!! wait, who?"
[news]|13:43 Ryan says, "Penny Red, a well-known blogger that you are apparently ignorant of, you ignorant ignoramus."
[news]|13:44 Ryan says, "Ryan Gosling once saved her from getting hit by a car. That's how amazing she is."
[news]|13:44 Gunther says, "obviously she cannot be well-known if I don't know of her."
[news]|13:46 olethros asks, "why is this the first I hear of this, while I've being seeing facebooks fap-o plastered all over the news for the last week?"
[news]|13:46 Matthew asks, "'Fap-o plastered'?"
[news]|13:47 ghira wonders 'fap-o'?
[news]|13:47 olethros says, "fap-o = wank + ipo"
[news]|13:47 Gunther says, "IPO"
[news]|13:47 ghira says, "ah"
[news]|13:47 Matthew says, "Oh... yes... it's all so... obvious... now..."
[news]|13:48 olethros says, "olethros: the cryptic and not very funny at all comedian"
[research]|13:48 olethros says, "OK, it seems like this paper is going to make it to the computer journal"
[research]|13:49 olethros says, "so, that neatly brings up my journal pubs to 7"
[research]|13:50 olethros says, "which is still less than 1 journal / year, but enh"
[news]|13:51 Tale says (to ryan), "I hadn't heard the Gosling story"
[news]|13:52 Tale | She admits, however, to swooning the "teeniest tiniest bit" when seeing it was Gosling that came to her aid.
[gameofthrones]|13:54 olethros says, "hm, I have no real idea of where everything is"
[gameofthrones]|13:55 olethros says, "the north is north, the king's landing is south somewhere"
[gameofthrones]|13:55 Gunther says, "if only there were a huge map of everything in the episode"
[gameofthrones]|13:55 Gunther says, "maybe with a flyover"
[gameofthrones]|13:56 olethros says, "I forget!"
[gameofthrones]|13:57 Gunther says, "also http://towerofthehand.com/maps/westeros.html "
[lounge]|13:57 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|13:57 Olly says, "Hello, MUDsters."
[gameofthrones]|13:58 olethros says, "that is nice"
[lounge]|13:59 Tale says, "'ello Olly."
[space]|13:59 Ryan | http://i.imgur.com/M6atD.jpg
[space]|14:00 zarf says, "damn"
[space]|14:00 markm says, "I would love it if that were a real picture"
[gameofthrones]|14:01 olethros says, "spoilers coming up maybne"
[space]|14:01 zarf asks, "are you questioning or denying?"
[gameofthrones]|14:01 olethros says, "seems like ned's wife is gonna croak"
[space]|14:01 markm says, "questioning"
[space]|14:01 baf says, "It just looks like a picture."
[ollyprattle]|14:02 Olly says, "My computer says I have to eat lunch now."
[ollyprattle]|14:03 inky says, "DO NOT ARGUE WITH THE COMPUTER"
[space]|14:03 markm says, "I'm googling but not turning up anything authoritative yet. Still looking..."
[space]|14:04 Ryan | http://cghub.com/images/view/230370/
[space]|14:04 zarf says, "there you are"
[space]|14:04 zarf says, "oh well. It's pretty, anyhow"
[space]|14:05 inky says, "nice"
[space]|14:05 inky asks, "how did you find that?"
[space]|14:05 markm says, "Yes, definitely."
[space]|14:05 Ryan says, "Some redditor found it."
[space]|14:11 markm | http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2012/05/ring_of_fire_eclipse_2012.html
[space]|14:12 markm says, "in #3 they should have totally put anime eyes on"
[news]|14:12 Ellison | Times Square chef and owner Sean Henninger believes the pizza topping possibilities are nearly endless. "Pizza has all of the elements of a sandwich. It is bread and stuff," he says.
[news]|14:13 markm says, "ha ha"
[gameofthrones]|14:14 olethros says, "they found icelantis!"
[news]|14:15 Jon says, "all two elements"
[lounge]|14:16 Emily arrives.
[lounge]|14:17 Olly says, "Hello, Emily."
[news]|14:21 baf says, "One of the more common joke schemas among the crowd I hung with in college was absurd pizza toppings."
[news]|14:21 baf says, "(Indeed, this was the thing for which the term 'joke schema' was coined.)"
[news]|14:22 zarf says, "it's not a sandwich element until you make pizza crust pizza."
[news]|14:22 Olly asks, "Were you reading Kant?"
[gameofthrones]|14:23 olethros says, "ha!"
[news]|14:23 baf says, "There were basically two branches of this: inedible, and edible but pizza-inappropriate. In the inedible branch, once you got past obvious things like rubber bands and pencil shavings, the real humor was to be found in strangely specific inedibles, like newspaper clippings."
[gameofthrones]|14:24 olethros says, "I don't get why the queen got confused about who the little guy's woman is"
[gameofthrones]|14:24 olethros says, "well, queen mother"
[news]|14:24 Olly says, "Newspaper isn't inedible."
[lounge]|14:24 Dave says, "this is lounge worthy"
[lounge]|14:24 Dave says, "Divorce will be final and official on May 31st."
[lounge]|14:25 zarf says, "congratulations"
[lounge]|14:25 zarf says, "or appropriate other laudation"
[lounge]|14:25 baf says, "Ladies, mark your calendars."
[news]|14:25 olethros says, "I am not sure I would like to eat ink"
[lounge]|14:25 olethros says, "yay"
[lounge]|14:26 olethros says, "well, good deliverance"
[news]|14:26 baf says, "Chess pieces, then."
[news]|14:26 olethros says, "marzipan chess pieces"
[lounge]|14:26 inky says, "dang"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:27 inky says, "I have a small round orange stress ball on my desk at home"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:27 inky says, "today I brought in a peach to work and put it on my desk"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:27 olethros says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:27 inky says, "this keeps almost leading to disaster"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:27 olethros asks, "is the ball furry?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:27 markm says, "if only there were a way to move the peach to a less precarious positoin"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:28 markm says, "tion"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:28 baf says, "A peach perch"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:29 markm says, "the peach perch should have something that, when you hit it, launches the peach to your waiting hands. It would be a peach perch punch."
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:29 markm says, "And you could carry it home in your peach perch punch pouch."
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:29 markm asks, "where's ryan when you need him?"
[ollyprattle]|14:30 Olly says, "My computer says it is time to play with my dog."
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:30 Psmith says (to markm), "but you'd need to be careful on the way home, in case your peach perch punch pouch gets pinched."
[ollyprattle]|14:30 olethros asks, "has your mother hacked into your computer?"
[ollyprattle]|14:30 (from Tale) Olly says, "My computer says "Kill all humans." Brb
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:30 markm says, "yay"
[ollyprattle]|14:31 Olly says (to olethros), "My mother has hacked into my brain, I think."
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:31 baf says (to markm), "He's off watching the tweedle beetles, making sure they don't get into fights."
[lounge]|14:31 Dave says, "it will have taken 3 years and 11 months"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:31 markm says, "a tweedle beetle puddle paddle battle"
[lounge]|14:32 Olly says, "Ciao, MUDlings."
[lounge]|14:32 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[lounge]|14:32 Dave says, "more like "Ladies, shields at maximum power.""
[gameofthrones]|14:32 olethros says, "this time I had to wait 40 minutes to see nekkid chyx"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:32 markm says, "if a dog stole your peach perch punch pouch, it would be a pooch-pinched peach perch punch pouch"
[health]|14:33 Matthew says, "Hrm."
[health]|14:33 Matthew asks, "Is there a specific type of doctor who deals with musicals and tendons and things like that?"
[health]|14:33 Matthew says, "Er.. muscles."
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:33 Psmith says, "and if it bit a hole in it, you'd need to mend it. Then you'd have a pooch-pinched patched peach perch punch pouch."
[health]|14:33 markm asks, "go to your GP and ask for a referral?"
[health]|14:34 Matthew says (to markm), "I wanted to do some research first, but I'm not sure if that's like a separate 'school' of medicine, or if it's just rolled into one of the other types."
[health]|14:34 markm says, "See, I'd go to the GP first and discuss options."
[health]|14:35 baf says, "Seems like athletes would need a specialist of this sort"
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:35 markm gives in.
[health]|14:35 baf says, "but I think specialists who tend to athletes are just listed as 'sports medicine'."
[health]|14:35 Matthew says (to markm), "I'm not trying to run around my GP, I'm just trying to find out if there are doctors that cover those specific types of things."
[apropos-of-nothing]|14:37 inky says, "hee hee hee"
[health]|14:37 annabianca asks, "physiatrist?"
[health]|14:37 inky says, "there are specialists for everything, yeah"
[health]|14:38 inky says, "you might want a physical therapist, for instance, although I don't think that is necessarily a doctor"
[health]|14:38 Matthew asks, "But if it's for muscles in the faith, would I like start with a speech pathologist or something?"
[health]|14:38 Matthew says, "..."
[health]|14:38 Matthew says, "...face."
[health]|14:39 inky says, "I think those are more typing muscles"
[health]|14:39 Matthew exclaims, "I don't know where my head is today.  Good thing I don't make my living as a writer!!!"
[health]|14:39 inky says, "yeah, that seems like a reasonable kind of thing"
[health]|14:40 two-star says, "Yeah, if you have problems with muthles in the faith, a speech pathologist might be the way to go."
[lounge]|14:40 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|14:40 Jota greets.
[lounge]|14:40 Matthew says, "Hey Jota."
[health]|14:40 Matthew laughs.
[health]|14:41 olethros says, "ha ha ha"
[movie]|14:41 baf says, "Suddenly it strikes me about The Dark Knight that the Joke specifically succeeded at what he tried and failed to do in The Killing Joke"
[movie]|14:41 baf says, "+r"
[health]|14:42 olethros says, "it is normally an kinesiologist or an orthopedist"
[health]|14:42 Matthew says, "I thought orthopedists dealt with feet."
[health]|14:42 olethros says, "not at all"
[health]|14:42 Matthew says, "Ah, okay."
[health]|14:43 olethros says, "they deal with all things myoskeltal"
[health]|14:43 Matthew says, "The 'story' behind this is that I'm having some trouble in my singing lessons, and am wondering if there's the possibility that there could be something physically wrong."
[health]|14:44 olethros says, "ah, I should have known"
[movie]|14:44 Tale says, "Yep."
[jobs]|14:44 markm says, "here's what facebook did with the old Sun campus at Menlo Park - http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/facebook-to-ring-opening-bell-from-headquarters-on-ipo-day/2012/05/17/gIQAwLeDWU_gallery.html#photo=1 "
[health]|14:45 olethros says, "the vocal chords are not a skeletal muscle."
[jobs]|14:45 markm says, "in photo 17 you can still see the sun logo"
[health]|14:45 Matthew says (to olethros), "Right, which is a good thing they're not what I'm talking about."
[videogames]|14:45 Recchi asks (of Gunther), "Where is that quote from?"
[health]|14:45 inky says, "anyway, hmm"
[health]|14:46 inky says, "yet another possibility is one of those ear-nose-and-throat people"
[health]|14:46 olethros asks, "what kind of trouble do you have?"
[health]|14:46 (from inky) Matthew says "o/~ nobody knows the trouble I've seen o/~"
[health]|14:47 maga says, "if you find it hard to sing like a growly bluesman, the only medicine is cheap whiskey"
[health]|14:47 olethros says, "yay"
[health]|14:47 olethros says, "otherwise I hear it's raw eggs and champagne"
[movie]|14:48 inky says, "rotten tomatoes has a critic rating of 23%, audience rating of 57% for this one movie"
[movie]|14:48 inky says, "I wonder if that is an unusually large disparity or if that is normal"
[movie]|14:48 Matthew asks, "What movie?"
[WWIII]|14:48 Allen says, "heh, ad in the Guardian: http://observatory.designobserver.com/media/images/Torturer_525.jpg "
[movie]|14:49 inky says, "What To Expect When You're Expecting"
[movie]|14:49 Matthew says, "Huh."
[movie]|14:49 katre says, "that movie totally baffles me"
[movie]|14:49 katre says, "since I did read the book when we were expecting"
[movie]|14:49 olethros says, "... shit"
[WWIII]|14:49 inky says, "man, how do they expect to get any applications with a salary like that"
[lounge]|14:49 Storme enters.
[lounge]|14:49 Storme says, "hi all"
[WWIII]|14:49 olethros says, "austerity"
[movie]|14:49 (from Matthew) katre says, "I didn't expect a movie!!"
[WWIII]|14:50 GDorn says, "presumably by finding candidates who are really passionate about the work"
[hair]|14:50 Storme says, "so I have learnt"
[WWIII]|14:50 Allen says, "senior torturer, though. No real growth opportunities"
[hair]|14:50 Storme says, "that if I want the kind of hairstyle I want"
[hair]|14:51 Storme says, "I need to a) bully the hairdresser as far as I date"
[movie]|14:51 baf makes a movie called 'What to Expect when you're Not Expecting'. It's about the Spanish Inquisition.
[hair]|14:51 Storme says, "(er, dare)"
[hair]|14:51 markm says, "oh, ha ha"
[hair]|14:51 maga says, "that was a little troubling to parse, yes"
[hair]|14:51 Storme says, "and then b) finish the job myself at home"
[movie]|14:51 Tale says (to baf), "ha ha yay"
[movie]|14:51 inky asks (of katre), "it baffles you how they could make a movie out of it?"
[movie]|14:51 katre says, "yes"
[hair]|14:51 inky asks, "c) find a different hairdresser?"
[movie]|14:51 olethros says, "oh, it is about babies"
[movie]|14:51 inky says, "ha ha"
[movie]|14:51 katre says, "it's a practical guide about what's going on and what to do and not do while pregnant"
[movie]|14:51 olethros says, "it is not hard to make a movie about babies"
[movie]|14:51 (from inky) olethros says "I wasn't expecting that"
[movie]|14:51 Tale says, "Personally, I am wondering why inky was watching that"
[hair]|14:52 maga says, "'do what I say, or I'll go out with you' is a pretty good twelve-year-old threat"
[hair]|14:52 Storme says (to inky), "I have apparently the sort of hair/face/head that makes hairdressers unwilling to do much other than a bob"
[movie]|14:52 katre says, "I mean, right, ==olethros, but it's not a book with any plot"
[movie]|14:52 Jota asks, "A bit like making a movie out of Introductory Electronic Circuits?"
[movie]|14:52 katre says, "I guess it's the family-friendly comedy form of Battleship"
[movie]|14:52 Matthew says, "YOU SANK MY PLACENTA"
[hair]|14:52 Storme says, "even after extensive pressure, the woman cutting my hair on saturday still basically bobbed my hair at the back"
[movie]|14:52 markm says, "ew"
[movie]|14:52 olethros says, "having not seen the movie nor read the book, I guess that they just tried to cash in on the success of the title"
[movie]|14:52 olethros says, "ha ha"
[hair]|14:53 Storme says, "(the front she did what I wanted to after I basically held the scissors at the right point and said 'here, that short')"
[family]|14:53 Jota says, "Every once in a while I get an email from my mother telling me about something she read online, including a link..."
[movie]|14:53 inky says, "they should have marketed this as the sequel to everything you wanted to know about sex but were afraid to ask"
[family]|14:53 Jota says, "...to an internal Yahoo mail page."
[movie]|14:53 olethros says, "ha ha more"
[movie]|14:53 inky says, "(which was also based on a book, see)"
[hair]|14:53 Storme says, "anyway, *now* I have a interesting and deliberately asymmetric hairstyle"
[hair]|14:54 Storme says, "if she'd gotten her way I'd have had a jawlength bob"
[movie]|14:54 olethros asks, "the audience is in general more forgiving than critics, no?"
[hair]|14:54 maga says, "hairdressers tend to be very conservative when they don't understand precisely what you want"
[hair]|14:55 maga says, "and usually even when you loudly repeat what you want"
[hair]|14:55 Storme says, "yes"
[hair]|14:55 olethros says, "also, it's hard to do an unusual cut"
[hair]|14:55 Storme says, "next time I am going to Pez's old hairdresser in chinatown"
[movie]|14:55 inky says, "yeah, probably"
[hair]|14:56 Storme says, "who reacts to pictures of anime/videogame characters (as references) with delight and eagerness"
[movie]|14:56 olethros says, "the lucky one: 20% -> 70%"
[hair]|14:56 Storme says, "the thing is that the hairstyle I have gotten is actually not *that* weird amongst a certain sort of arty london type at the moment"
[movie]|14:56 Gunther says, "movies: yes. videogames: no"
[video]|14:57 Matthew says, "Blah."
[hair]|14:57 maga asks, "does she dispense gel by the bucket and at epoxy-resin strength?"
[video]|14:57 Matthew says, "Someone asked me to record something for them on a camcorder last night and I did, but it turns out the card was locked or something, and the recording didn't take."
[hair]|14:57 Storme says (to maga), "there is much hairspray"
[movie]|14:57 olethros says (to gunther), "oh yes, I recall those 'it sucked: 70%' reviews."
[video]|14:57 Matthew says, "I don't think I even knew you could lock SD cards."
[movie]|14:57 olethros says, "but that was in like 1989"
[video]|14:57 Matthew says, "And I'm especially confused because the capacity meter on the display kept ticking down...  It totally looked like it was working."
[italy]|14:58 olethros says, "forza beppe grillo!"
[movie]|14:58 Gunther says, "go to metacritic, look at ME3/D3 review vs user scores"
[italy]|14:58 olethros says, "Federico Pizzarotti, a 39-year-old IT manager standing for the rabble-rousing Beppe Grillo's Five Start Movement, trounced a candidate from the centre-left Democratic party, taking 60% of the vote in a head-to-head runoff."
[movie]|14:58 Matthew asks, "D3?"
[movie]|14:58 olethros asks, "doom 3?"
[movie]|14:58 Alex says (to olethros), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that Doom 3 is a great game, hated by an ignorant minortity."
[movie]|14:59 Matthew says, "Ah."
[movie]|14:59 Gunther says, "Diablo 3."
[movie]|14:59 Gunther says, "Doom 3, of course, gets a deserved 0% from either side."
[movie]|14:59 olethros says, "actualy 87% critic and 7.3 user"
[movie]|14:59 Gunther says, "anyway, Diablo 3: 89 vs 4.1"
[movie]|15:00 Matthew says, "Diablo... right."
[hair]|15:00 inky asks, "anyway, why don't you go to Pez's new hairdresser instead?"
[movie]|15:00 olethros says, "some people really hated it"
[movie]|15:00 Gunther says, "ME3: 89 vs 4.0"
[hair]|15:00 Storme says, "because I was in colchester not london"
[movie]|15:00 Gunther says (to olethros), "no this was all DRMwhine and endingwhine"
[hair]|15:00 Storme says, "also frankly because it was a very cheap hairdresser"
[movie]|15:00 baf asks, "Are these on different scales or something?"
[hair]|15:00 Storme says, "so I probably shouldn't have bullied the poor girl so much anyway"
[movie]|15:00 Gunther says, "D3 was at 1.8 last week"
[movie]|15:01 Matthew says (to baf), "Sort of, but it's basically 41 and 40 respectively."
[movie]|15:01 Gunther says (to baf), "I dunno, one is % and the other is x.y/10"
[movie]|15:01 Gunther says, "so they're the same"
[movie]|15:01 vimes asks (of Gunther), "man, what the hell are users bashing D3 about?"
[movie]|15:01 vimes says, "it seems like a great Diablo game to me"
[yay]|15:01 Tale says, "A guy whose LPs I followed for some years had yielded to my requests and is doing a They Hunger LP."
[movie]|15:01 Gunther says (to vimes), "BUT I COULDN'T LOG IN AT 00:00:01 IT WAS WORSE THAN THE HOLOCAUST"
[movie]|15:01 (from Matthew) vimes says, "once I realized error 37 was a major plot point, the game made a lot more sense"
[movie]|15:02 vimes says, "ha ha"
[movie]|15:02 olethros says, "well, being able to play the game is kind of a baic feature"
[movie]|15:02 Gunther says (to Matthew), "well. the 7 looks like a horn. 3-horned beast? Diablo."
[movie]|15:02 olethros says, "I thought 3 was the horns and 7 a wicked smile"
[movie]|15:02 Gunther says, "and 'error' anagrams to 'r. oroe', the inventor of oreos"
[movie]|15:03 Gunther says, "er, oreo"
[hair]|15:04 Storme says, "also next time I should just go somewhere where I can say 'give me a j-rock star's hairstyle' and they will know what that means"
[hair]|15:05 olethros asks, "do such places exist?"
[hair]|15:05 Storme says, "anyway, after my haircut we went and had dinner with someone who is the daughter of the main director for a major hairdressing chain"
[hair]|15:05 Storme says, "and she had had a haircut that day from a very nervous guy at one of her dad's salons"
[workplace]|15:05 Allen says, "gah, the pingpongers are LOUD today"
[hair]|15:06 Storme says, "who had actually clipped her earlobe and also cut her fringe unevenly"
[hair]|15:06 Storme says, "she was trying to work out how to conceal the evidence from her father"
[hair]|15:06 Storme says (to olethros), "they do, actuall"
[hair]|15:06 olethros says, "next time she should be incognito or something"
[hair]|15:06 olethros says (to storme), "how cool is that?!"
[hair]|15:07 olethros says, "speaking of hair, I must shave mine"
[hair]|15:07 olethros says, "I pay $50 for a proper haircut, but hopefully the shave will be like $20"
[hair]|15:11 Allen says, "50 bucks!"
[hair]|15:11 Allen says, "man, I pay $11.99"
[hair]|15:12 Allen says, "every 5 months"
[lounge]|15:12 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|15:12 * Marktwo has connected.
[hair]|15:12 Allen says, "I go in and say 'It's gotten long enough that I can't see. Cut it where it was 5 months ago'"
[lounge]|15:13 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|15:13 * Marktwo has connected.
[hair]|15:13 Jota says, "Yeah, this is all much easier for guys."
[hair]|15:14 Matthew says, "It's even easier for some of us <sigh>."
[hair]|15:14 Jota asks (of Matthew), "Oh, you get your head shaved too?"
[hair]|15:14 inky says, "nature's razor"
[hair]|15:14 Matthew says, "My head is naturally shaved."
[hair]|15:14 inky says, "ha ha"
[pinball]|15:15 Recchi exclaims, "I wrote a guy asking if his "Black Knight" pinball was for sale. This is my first attempt trying to buy a pinball!"
[pinball]|15:15 Recchi says, "I think I can finance it by selling a few arcade games."
[race]|15:17 Gunther | Berlin's criminal statistics have for years assumed perpetrators without explicit identification of origin to have been foreign.
[race]|15:17 Gunther | It now turns out 85% of these were German.
[race]|15:17 inky says, "shocking"
[race]|15:17 olethros asks, "really?"
[race]|15:17 olethros says, "''assumed''"
[race]|15:17 Gunther says, "so in reality, crime by 'foreigners' has been going down since 2004"
[race]|15:17 Gunther says, "while this 'statistic' has made it go up"
[race]|15:18 Gunther says, "good ol' racist motherfuckery"
[race]|15:18 olethros says, "stop reading the news!"
[race]|15:18 inky asks, "does 'foreign' here mean 'not a german citizen' or 'parents weren't german' or what?"
[race]|15:18 Gunther says (to inky), ""people we want out of the country""
[race]|15:19 Jota says, "It's not obvious how race is part of this."
[race]|15:20 Gunther says, "for lack of #xenophobia and #all-nazis-must-die"
[race]|15:20 olethros says, "race is a very fuzzy concept anyway"
[race]|15:21 baf says, "In older texts, the concepts of race and nation are used interchangably."
[race]|15:22 olethros says, "do not forget that not every nation is a multicultural melting pot"
[race]|15:22 Gunther says, "I would certainly call scapegoating turks/serbs/whatever as racism"
[race]|15:22 Gunther says, "s/as//"
[programming]|15:22 katre says, "is there anything more depressing than "Now reviewing: File 35 of 75""
[programming]|15:22 Gunther says, "yes"
[programming]|15:22 Gunther says, "PHP, for example"
[race]|15:23 olethros says, "I guess one big drawback of the EU is that there are far too many languages spoken"
[race]|15:23 olethros says, "also, far too many types of beer"
[health]|15:24 Dave says (to matthew), "ortho"
[health]|15:24 Dave says, "they're usually sports medicine places"
[pinball]|15:25 K-Y says, "man, buying pinball tables"
[race]|15:27 Tale says, "These are clearly ALL people with eastern european roots and german passports"
[UK]|15:27 Storme says, "nigel havers is confessing to a mancrush on alan titchmarsh"
[UK]|15:28 Storme says, "it's a beautiful moment for british television"
[race]|15:28 olethros asks, "you mean, from GDR?"
[UK]|15:28 Gunther says, "march of the titchs is my favorite NIN song"
[pinball]|15:29 K-Y says, "and that one already exists in video game form"
[race]|15:30 Tale says, "turks, albanians, russian, greeks"
[webtv]|15:30 Gunther | Top 10 Lame LXG Moments
[webtv]|15:30 Gunther says, "10: minute 1-10"
[webtv]|15:30 Gunther says, "9: minute 11-20"
[webtv]|15:30 Gunther says, "..."
[penny-arcade]|15:33 K-Y says, "the thing that gets me about this one is not that I don't get it at all"
[penny-arcade]|15:33 K-Y says, "it's that the camera crosses The Line *twice*"
[race]|15:33 Jota asks, "Austrians?"
[race]|15:33 Gunther says, "the WORST"
[race]|15:33 olethros says (to Tale), "can't tell what you mean"
[race]|15:34 olethros asks, "are the 85% recent-generation germans?"
[lounge]|15:34 Ellison arrives from the east.
[lounge]|15:34 Ellison says, "hey all"
[race]|15:34 olethros says, "or are they 'looks foreign'"
[race]|15:35 Gunther says, "they were *assumed*! They never existed"
[penny-arcade]|15:35 Jota asks, "In the first panel, is she pulling on him with her left hand or her right hand?"
[penny-arcade]|15:35 K-Y says, "I know Gabe's history with storytelling but come on, three panels"
[penny-arcade]|15:35 Jota says, "It looks like her right, but in panel two, she's clearly holding the knife in that hand."
[penny-arcade]|15:35 Gunther says, "left"
[penny-arcade]|15:36 inky says (to K-Y), "wow, crazy"
[penny-arcade]|15:36 Gunther asks, "?"
[penny-arcade]|15:37 inky says, "I think we can assume she lets go and turns around to stab the zombies or something"
[race]|15:37 Tale says, "What he said (the filthy foreigner)"
[penny-arcade]|15:37 Gunther says, "she's looking behind"
[penny-arcade]|15:38 K-Y asks, "so basically nobody can agree on where the characters are relative to each other?"
[penny-arcade]|15:38 K-Y says, "that's the symptom of crossing the line"
[penny-arcade]|15:39 Gunther says, "it does not matter in any possible way"
[penny-arcade]|15:39 zarf says, "I find the comic perfectly comprehensible. Possibly this is a symptom of comic illiteracy of some sort"
[penny-arcade]|15:39 Gunther says, "1) leah drags cain, pursued by zombies. 2) leah stabs zombie."
[penny-arcade]|15:39 zarf says, "people are running towards the left, zombies coming out of trees on the right"
[penny-arcade]|15:40 inky says, "it's definitely a weird perspective shift"
[penny-arcade]|15:40 zarf says, "you could argue that the camera shifts in panel two, but then you are still understanding the visuals"
[penny-arcade]|15:40 inky says, "but it doesn't really matter for purposes of figuring what is going on"
[penny-arcade]|15:41 K-Y says, "it's comprehensible because it's simple"
[penny-arcade]|15:41 zarf says, "win"
[penny-arcade]|15:41 Jota says, "Heh."
[penny-arcade]|15:41 inky says, "like, if it mattered which zombie she was fighting, it would be a mess"
[penny-arcade]|15:42 inky says, "or if everyone looked the same in the first-panel silhouettes, then the second panel wouldn't make it clear if this was a fight between two people in the first group or one from each group"
[penny-arcade]|15:43 Jota asks, "Even ignoring the potentional confusion: did that zombie just magically teleport in front of them between the first two panels?"
[penny-arcade]|15:43 Jota says, "Er, s/potentional/perspective/"
[typos]|15:43 Jota asks, "How the &#^@ did I mistype 'perspective' as 'potentional'?!?"
[penny-arcade]|15:43 K-Y says, "no, see, this is the Day Z mod for Diablo"
[typos]|15:43 inky says, "I blame swype"
[penny-arcade]|15:44 K-Y says, "where zombies teleport in while you are eating beans"
[typos]|15:44 Ellison says, "inky meant to say 'speed' there"
[typos]|15:45 Jota exclaims (at Ell), "Yay!"
[penny-arcade]|15:45 Jota says, "Those cans should have a warning label."
[penny-arcade]|15:45 Gunther asks, "what did you think the Z in "BeanZ" stood for?"
[penny-arcade]|15:46 inky asks, "why violence in cans?"
[penny-arcade]|15:46 baf asks, "Are you suggesting that it's like those cans with a springy snake in, but instead of a snake it's a zombie?"
[frowned-elitism]|15:47 Storme says, "good grief"
[penny-arcade]|15:47 Jota says, "Zombie snake."
[frowned-elitism]|15:47 Storme says, "I know intellectually that my girlfriend is a fast sewer"
[penny-arcade]|15:47 Jota says, "WHich I assume has been a part of some Metal Gear game by now."
[politics]|15:47 Allen says, "whoah! the Elizabeth Warren indian roots gets wackier!"
[frowned-elitism]|15:47 Storme says, "but she has basically made a full costume commission in about six hours"
[frowned-elitism]|15:47 Emily says, "woot"
[frowned-elitism]|15:47 Jota says, "...*oh*, *that* kind of 'sewer'..."
[frowned-elitism]|15:47 Gunther says, "fiancee!"
[English]|15:47 inky says, "I never noticed the sewer/sewer thing before"
[politics]|15:48 Allen asks, "so, she published her traditional Cherokee recipies under the name "Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee"--recipes that had been passed down generation from generation from her Indian forbears.... or WERE THEY??"
[English]|15:48 Storme says, "it didn't occur to me when I typed it"
[politics]|15:48 inky says, "ha ha"
[frowned-elitism]|15:48 Ellison says (to Jota), "heh"
[politics]|15:48 Allen | Two of the possibly plagiarized recipes, said in the Pow Wow Chow cookbook to have been passed down through generations of Oklahoma Native American members of the Cherokee tribe, are described in a New York Times News Service story as originating at Le Pavilion, a fabulously expensive French restaurant in Manhattan. The dishes were said to be particular favorites of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor and Cole Porter.
[frowned-elitism]|15:48 Storme says (to gunther), "thankfully forgetting that doesn't get me smacked"
[lounge]|15:48 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[politics]|15:48 Allen | The two recipes, "Cold Omelets with Crab Meat" and "Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing," appear in an article titled "Cold Omelets with Crab Meat," written by Pierre Franey of the New York Times News Service that was published in the August 22, 1979 edition of the Virgin Islands Daily News, a copy of which can be seen here.
[politics]|15:48 inky says, "hmm"
[politics]|15:49 inky says, "I wonder how recipe plagiarization works"
[frowned-elitism]|15:49 Tale says, "She has made a costume for a anthopomorphic sewer in 6 hrs="
[politics]|15:49 Allen | Ms. Warren's 1984 recipe for Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing is a word-for-word copy of Mr. Franey's 1979 recipe.
[politics]|15:49 inky says, "dang"
[politics]|15:49 inky says, "ok, I would say that counts"
[politics]|15:49 Gunther says (to inky), "1) food network steals from you and makes fun of you; 2) you unleash the internet upon them; 3) victory"
[politics]|15:49 inky says, "I mean, ingredient lists aren't copyrightable, and I think instructions sort of aren't"
[politics]|15:49 inky says, "but specific wordings might be"
[politics]|15:49 Allen | Mrs. Warren's 1984 recipe for Cold Omelets with Crab Meat contains all four of the ingredients listed in Mr. Franey's 1979 recipe in the exact same portion but lists five additional ingredients. More significantly, her instructions are virtually a word for word copy of Mr. Franey's instructions from this 1979 article. Both instructions specify the use of a "seven inch Teflon pan."
[politics]|15:50 Allen says, "a traditional cherokee cooking implement, one assumes"
[politics]|15:50 Gunther says (to inky), "the way it works in board games is: you can basically copy a game 1:1 except for the instructions and card wordings"
[politics]|15:50 Gunther says, "and nobody will be able to do anything"
[frowned-elitism]|15:50 Jota says, "Arguable, a human being *is* an anthropomorphic sewer..."
[politics]|15:50 Psmith says (to Gunther), "and artwork."
[politics]|15:51 Gunther says, "and artwork, and name, yes"
[politics]|15:51 inky says, "I mean, it was obvious it wasn't really a handed-down recipe from her ancestors"
[politics]|15:51 inky says, "not least because it was called the "Pow Wow Cookbook""
[politics]|15:51 Gunther asks, "are we sure Mr. Franey isn't her ancestor?"
[frowned-elitism]|15:51 Storme says, "(what she has in fact made is asuka kazama's outfit from streetfighter)"
[politics]|15:51 inky says, "oops, Pow Wow Chow, sorry"
[politics]|15:51 maga says, "there are plenty of traditional Native recipes that use obviously modern ingredients and implements"
[politics]|15:51 maga says, "that's not really at issue"
[frowned-elitism]|15:52 Storme says, "(oh, apparently I mean tekken)"
[frowned-elitism]|15:52 Tale asks, "Did *that* get you smacked?"
[frowned-elitism]|15:52 inky says, "hee hee"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:52 Gunther says, "every single time I hear anything about reddit I am more glad I never go there"
[politics]|15:52 maga says, "(in Alaska this was mostly 'where you would normally use seal blubber, try substituting sugar')"
[frowned-elitism]|15:52 Jota says, "Heh, I first mistook that for Kazuma Azuma and wondered what sort of outfit a combat baker would wear."
[frowned-elitism]|15:53 Storme says (to tale), "nah"
[frowned-elitism]|15:53 Gunther says (to Jota), "knives"
[English]|15:53 K-Y says, "there must be a sewer palindrome"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:53 inky | Reddit is more like a restaurant with an awesome eclectic flight of wines. And some of the most popular selections are actually glasses of sewage. And the wine flight is well known to local drinkers for the sewage, whether because they're annoyed about it or because they're big fans of shit-in-a-glass. And if you want to have some friends out to the joint to drink some wine for the first time, you have to give them preemptive instructions on how the first thing they should is carefully dump out all the glasses of sewage and then order some other wine instead. Because the pinot is really nice.
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:54 inky says, "(which is to say there are some subreddits with good stuff on them but you probably won't stumble across them if you just go to the site and poke around)"
[headlines]|15:54 Allen | More Kentuckians Falling in Love With Alpacas
[facebook]|15:54 Fang says, " http://i.imgur.com/pRHDZ.png "
[headlines]|15:54 inky asks, "didn't people learn anything from the emu bubble?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:54 Gunther says, "apparently the D3 subforum is calling a character 'Tyrone' instead of their real name because he appears to be black."
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:55 Ellison says, "heh"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:55 Gunther says, "this is of course fucking hilarious! Die in a fire."
[frowned-elitism]|15:55 Storme says, "anyway, gosh"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:55 Gunther says, "PS: will gladly provide fire."
[frowned-elitism]|15:55 Storme says, "my girlfriend can make a pleather playsuit thingy in record time"
[frowned-elitism]|15:55 inky says, "ha ha"
[frowned-elitism]|15:56 Storme says, "info I didn't need to know"
[lounge]|15:56 Tale says, "sleepytime"
[lounge]|15:56 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|15:56 * Tale has disconnected.
[frowned-elitism]|15:56 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|15:56 Ellison says, "ok, gotta go"
[lounge]|15:56 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|15:56 * Ellison has disconnected.
[UK]|15:57 Storme says, "wow"
[UK]|15:58 Storme says, "I am watching the chelsea flower show"
[UK]|15:58 Storme says, "and someone just opened a bottle of champagne by slicing the cork off with a sword"
[lounge]|15:58 two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
[UK]|15:58 Gunther says, "there is a live feed of the chelsea flower show somewhere."
[UK]|15:58 zarf says, "I've seen that"
[UK]|15:59 Fang says, "I do wonder how that works"
[UK]|16:00 Fang asks, "maybe the cork is only loosely on?"
[UK]|16:00 inky says, "you can find explanations on youtube, of course"
[UK]|16:00 zarf says, "yup"
[UK]|16:00 inky says, "you actually slice through the glass, IIRC"
[UK]|16:00 Storme says, "I dunno how it is done but it looks kickass"
[UK]|16:00 inky says, "(or hit it and it shatters correctly, I guess I should say)"
[UK]|16:00 Gunther says, "how pedestrian"
[UK]|16:00 Fang asks (of zarf), "yup to whom?"
[UK]|16:01 zarf says, "what inky said"
[kickstarter]|16:05 Jon | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1041688054/creating-a-private-mars-colony-the-time-is-now
[kickstarter]|16:05 Jon says, "i think maybe kickstarter is not the place to go if you're serious about planetary colonization"
[kickstarter]|16:06 Gunther says, "no, it's a colony made out of mars bars"
[board-games]|16:06 Doug says, "Spiel des Jahres nominees announced.  And I've actually played one of the six!  (Kingdom Builder)"
[kickstarter]|16:06 Jon says, "of course, it turns out they're not actually planning to sned people to Mars on $200k"
[board-games]|16:06 Gunther asks, "what're the others?"
[kickstarter]|16:06 inky says, "thye only want $186k, hunh"
[board-games]|16:08 Doug says, "Eselsbrücke and Vegas for SdJ, K2, Targi, and Village for the Kennerspiel des Jahres (games for 'experts')"
[kickstarter]|16:08 zarf says, "second-level objection: there is no shortage of concept plans for going to Mars. People have bene churning them out since the last Moon landing."
[board-games]|16:08 Doug says, "Targi seems to be a Kosmos 2-player.  Remember those?  good times"
[kickstarter]|16:09 Gunther says, "this reminds me I actually have a potentially kickstartable idea"
[TSD]|16:09 ghira says "I don't think mine's 17 inches"
[kickstarter]|16:09 Jon says, "I see nothing here to indicate this guy knows that."
[lounge]|16:09 Storme says, "okay, I flee"
[lounge]|16:09 Storme was a still life lived on mobile phones.
[lounge]|16:09 * Storme has disconnected.
[kickstarter]|16:10 Gunther says, "also, actual space scientists are saying "colonisation is dumb, let's build space stations instead""
[kickstarter]|16:10 Fang says (to zarf), "since the last moon landing? ITYM since War of the Worlds 2."
[kickstarter]|16:10 Jon asks (of Gunther), "is it anything about four coffees?"
[board-games]|16:10 Doug says, "would be interesting to see Village win the KSdJ.  Tasty Minstrel is importing it to the US, and I have a feeling they will not be up to the added demand"
[kickstarter]|16:10 Gunther asks (of Jon), "hmm?"
[kickstarter]|16:11 Jon says, "your potentially kickstartable idea"
[kickstarter]|16:11 Gunther says, "oh. no."
[music]|16:12 Jon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxLnu4PhQNQ
[music]|16:12 Jon says, "OK 8-Bit"
[board-games]|16:15 Gunther says, "Yay!! iOS Neuroshima Hex has multiplayer!"
[board-games]|16:15 Gunther says, "Also, is on sale."
[board-games]|16:16 vimes says, "network multiplayer?  awesome"
[board-games]|16:16 vimes says, "i might have to re-download it and try it out again"
[board-games]|16:17 Gunther says, "yep"
[jobs]|16:29 Jon says, "the local microkitchens have started stocking taiwanese tea."
[jobs]|16:30 Jon says, "one iteration of which has samurai on it (and says something about samurai)"
[jobs]|16:30 Jon says, "this is confusing."
[jobs]|16:32 Psmith says, "well, Taiwan _did_ belong to Japan for a while, but long after the samurai period."
[jobs]|16:33 Jon says, "also, it says 'unsweetened tea', but it tastes like honey is in there"
[jobs]|16:36 inky says, "maybe the samurai are to tip you off it's lying about the flavor"
[jobs]|16:37 Jon says, "Then they're not doing a good job."
[jobs]|16:38 olethros says, "THEY CUT HIS HEAD OFF"
[jobs]|16:38 olethros says, "or maybe they commit suicide because they are ashamed of his tea"
[lounge]|16:41 Ellison arrives from the east.
[textfyre]|16:46 Dave says, "whoa - sold a copy of sl deluxe"
[textfyre]|16:49 Ellison asks, "what's the deluxe version, again?"
[wtf]|16:55 inky says, "one of those articles where every part is awesome: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/18/us-soccer-ukraine-pig-idUSBRE84H0FA20120518 "
[wtf]|16:56 Ellison says, "nice"
[textfyre]|16:57 Dave says, "the silverlight-browser book-image page-turning one"
[greece]|16:57 olethros says, "ooo"
[greece]|16:57 olethros says, "minister's letters public"
[textfyre]|16:58 Ellison says, "gotcha"
[greece]|16:58 olethros says, "he talks about millions in kickbacks and bribing justices"
[law]|17:00 Gunther says, "what the fuckshit. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=6116545 "
[lounge]|17:02 Nitku leaves.
[wtf]|17:02 Gunther says, "HATE"
[law]|17:02 K-Y says, "okay"
[wtf]|17:03 inky says, "hate just makes the psychic pig grow stronger!"
[wtf]|17:03 olethros says, "hee hee"
[greece]|17:03 Emily says, "if I were a corrupt minister or a dicey Wall Street investor, I like to think I'd have the sense not to email my buddies SUBJ: EVIL CACKLE BODY: HOORAY WE ARE RIPPING OFF THE PUBLIC emails"
[greece]|17:03 inky says, "hee hee"
[law]|17:03 Gunther says, "you are wondering how this is relevant, I assume."
[law]|17:03 Gunther says, "<"
[law]|17:03 Gunther | SES and Lockheed Martin explored ways to attempt to bring the functioning satellite into its correct orbital position, and subsequently began attempting to move the satellite into geosynchronous orbit by means of a lunar flyby (as done a decade earlier with HGS-1). In April 2008, it was announced that this had been abandoned after it was discovered that Boeing held a patent[5] on the trajectory that would be required
[greece]|17:03 inky says, "they probably have a whole set of emoticons for it"
[law]|17:04 inky asks, "how long do patents last now?"
[law]|17:04 Gunther says, "any second is a second too long"
[greece]|17:04 inky says, "like :$"
[law]|17:04 K-Y says, "as long as 20 years"
[greece]|17:04 olethros says, "it's more like 'You promised me a million, but I am still waiting for 900 thousand. You say you will send it from Switzerland, Ukraine, Italy... you say that you are just waiting to finish some troubles with Justice and I'll have it'"
[law]|17:04 Gunther says, "there was also blackmail involved:"
[law]|17:05 Gunther | At the time, a lawsuit was ongoing between SES and Boeing, and Boeing refused to allow the trajectory to be used unless SES dropped its case.
[greece]|17:05 olethros says, "also:"
[greece]|17:05 olethros | I have made sure that there will be a powerful mediator to support us with interventions in Justice whatever executive actions need to be taken to implement our choices'
[greece]|17:06 olethros says, "s/whatever/and with whatever/"
[law]|17:06 K-Y says, "these are all huge companies, I assume"
[law]|17:06 inky says, "well, I guess I'm going to transfer the hell out of geosynchronous orbit starting this year then"
[law]|17:06 inky says, "yeah"
[law]|17:07 inky says, "they're aerospace contractors for the DoD and NASA and stuff"
[adventures]|17:08 Gunther says, " http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/05/21/wot-i-think-the-journey-down-chapter-one/ "
[adventures]|17:08 Gunther says, "sadly, the price is ridiculous"
[lounge]|17:09 Johnny insisted that the mobile hot-dog-on-a-bun did nothing wrong.
[lounge]|17:09 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|17:09 Olly says, "Hello, MUDfolk."
[ollyprattle]|17:11 Olly says, "Grade school children are coming to sing to the denizens of my building today."
[ollyprattle]|17:11 inky says, "make scary faces at them"
[ollyprattle]|17:11 olethros says, "IRTA Grad school"
[lounge]|17:11 Johnny says, "Hi Olly"
[ollyprattle]|17:12 Olly says, "Ha."
[lounge]|17:12 Ellison goes back to Squeamhurst..
[lounge]|17:12 * Ellison has disconnected.
[workplace]|17:17 Allen says, "holy..."
[workplace]|17:17 Allen says, "our Wilton office has a mysql database that's nearly a TB in size... all on solid state drives"
[workplace]|17:17 Allen says, "a 800G mysql database"
[workplace]|17:18 Allen asks, "and guess what it stores?"
[workplace]|17:18 Allen says, "twitter feeds!"
[workplace]|17:18 Gunther says, "session ids"
[workplace]|17:18 Gunther says, "almost"
[workplace]|17:18 inky says, "hee hee"
[workplace]|17:18 Gunther says, "I guess session ids might be useful"
[workplace]|17:18 Allen says, "it's to implement this thing: http://tracylocke.com/ "
[workplace]|17:18 Allen says, "the "Brand tracker" at the bottom of the page"
[workplace]|17:18 Allen | At TracyLocke, we are passionate about the brands we work on. We pay attention to everything and anything that could possibly affect our brands, from conversations to competition to breaking news. We created TracyLocke BrandTracker, a unique tool that allows us and our clients to monitor up-to-the-second social activity.
[workplace]|17:19 Allen says, "since we discovered the details... our minds have truly been boggled"
[workplace]|17:19 olethros says, "social activity detected! bring beer and condoms!"
[workplace]|17:19 inky asks, "how much is a terabyte SSD?"
[workplace]|17:19 Allen says, "it's an array of drives. I don't know how many"
[workplace]|17:19 Allen says, "it just boggles... they've never heard of statistical sampling..."
[workplace]|17:20 Allen says, "never thought maybe a 80M database that increments counters could be more efficient than storing **every full twitter message**"
[workplace]|17:20 olethros says, "why, maybe they want to run complex statistical languge models on the tweets"
[minicomp]|17:20 maga says, "okay, that's enough interface stuff for today, I think"
[minicomp]|17:20 maga says, "time for some more content"
[workplace]|17:20 inky says (to Allen), "the month view doesn't even work right"
[workplace]|17:20 olethros says, "maybe they know _too much_"
[workplace]|17:20 Allen says, "or, ditch the database and use some flat cassandra cluster"
[workplace]|17:21 Allen says, "eventually-consistent would be fine"
[movie]|17:21 olethros says, "hm  new james bond film"
[workplace]|17:21 Allen says, "I mean... mysql...? It is, apparently, one big table"
[movie]|17:21 olethros says, "seems ... subdued"
[workplace]|17:21 Allen says, "and they needed the SSD because you can't query that much mysql data on one table very fast"
[workplace]|17:21 Allen says, "knowing what I've learned of their technical skills, it's probably not indexed"
[workplace]|17:22 inky says, "ha ha"
[movie]|17:22 olethros says, "almost no big explosions in the trailer"
[movie]|17:22 olethros says, "I take that to be a good sign"
[workplace]|17:22 inky asks, "so you're saying it's just doing select count(*) from tweets where text like '%pepsi%'?"
[movie]|17:22 zarf says, "come on"
[movie]|17:23 zarf says, "it's just a sign that it's a one-beat teaser trailer"
[movie]|17:23 zarf says, "the booms will kaboom"
[movie]|17:23 inky says, "hmm"
[movie]|17:23 inky asks, "are james bond movies really that big on big explosions?"
[movie]|17:23 zarf says, "I have that stereotype"
[lounge]|17:23 Olly says, "Time to listen to children sing."
[lounge]|17:23 Olly says, "Ciao."
[lounge]|17:23 Olly takes a plastic hamster ball from their pocket, steps into it, and rolls away.
[movie]|17:23 olethros says, "not very much, no. But explosions are becoming more and more popular and more and more gigantic"
[movie]|17:23 zarf says, "it may well be misapprehension"
[movie]|17:24 olethros says, "there's no way it can improve upon tinker tailor soldier spy though"
[movie]|17:24 Jon says (to olethros), "it's not trying to be TTSS"
[etiquette]|17:24 inky | When Ursula found out that I was bringing the $200 gift card, she wanted me to give it to them anyway!!! Her logic was that I bought it before I was told we weren't friends.
[workplace]|17:24 Allen says, "probably!"
[workplace]|17:25 inky says, "I do kind of wonder how the math works out on these things"
[movie]|17:25 Jon says, "there's no way Prometheus can improve on Blade Runner. Luckily it's not trying to."
[movie]|17:25 inky says, "it's trying to improve on aliens"
[workplace]|17:25 inky says, "like, I assume your workplace hires not-very-competent developers at, I dunno, $50k/year"
[workplace]|17:26 inky says, "because they don't want to pay for competent ones at twice that"
[tech]|17:26 zarf says, "(#w8 but I'm not on that) I think Metro and Windows 8 are genuinely good work out of Microsoft. But geez "no compromise" is the most disingenuous slogan I can imagine."
[tech]|17:26 zarf says, "Hardware is all compromise. All the time. All of it."
[workplace]|17:26 inky asks, "so do the less-competent ones incur $50k/year worth of hardware costs?"
[workplace]|17:26 inky says, "because if not maybe it's a good move"
[workplace]|17:27 inky says, "(I guess there's also client goodwill and deadlines and stuff, but that probably doesn't account for much $ in the end)"
[tech]|17:27 zarf says, "tell me about your damn compromises and convince me that you picked the right ones"
[tech]|17:27 inky says, "ha ha"
[tech]|17:27 inky says, "no compromises*  *ok here are some compromises"
[mountaineering]|17:36 olethros | There was a traffic jam on the mountain on Saturday. Climbers were still heading to the summit as late as 2:30pm which is quite dangerous
[hardware]|17:38 Bishop asks, "Uh-oh, on plugging in my external hard drive it made clicking noises. Stopped now, but those are death noises, aren't they?"
[hardware]|17:39 Gunther says, "one of a) death, b) not enough juice"
[jobs]|17:39 Dave says, "Redbox Amazing Fact #23: no web filtering to speak of"
[hardware]|17:39 zarf says, "if it made a noise it's never made before? Probably."
[lounge]|17:39 Gunther says, "zz"
[lounge]|17:39 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
[jobs]|17:39 inky asks, "you're working at redbox now?"
[jobs]|17:39 Dave says, "yeah"
[jobs]|17:39 Dave says, "6 month gig"
[jobs]|17:40 Dave says, "friend of mine is a dev manager"
[hardware]|17:40 Bishop says (to Gunther), "I _think_ I used the right power supply...."
[jobs]|17:40 Dave says, "working on the actual Kiosk screens"
[jobs]|17:40 inky says, "cool"
[jobs]|17:43 Dave says, "which are driven by Lua executed from .NET"
[jobs]|17:44 Dave says, "crazy stuff"
[lounge]|17:44 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[movie]|17:45 McMartin says, "Re: bond and explosions"
[jobs]|17:45 inky says, "ok, that is a weird design"
[movie]|17:45 McMartin says, "They were going to draw faces on the moon with lasers"
[movie]|17:46 McMartin says, "sings, "When you blow up the moon with a C-T Harpoon, that's Eddore""
[jobs]|17:46 inky says, "not that I know what kind of constraints they're under"
[movie]|17:47 McMartin says, "I fail at emoting"
[movie]|17:47 McMartin says, "My career in the theater is ruined"
[movie]|17:48 inky says, "hee hee"
[hardware]|17:51 K-Y asks, "wait, what?"
[hardware]|17:51 K-Y says, "dammit, this drive isn't a year old"
[lounge]|17:51 Recchi goes home.
[lounge]|17:51 * Recchi has disconnected.
[jobs]|17:54 Dave says, "none really"
[jobs]|17:54 Dave says, "inside the redbox kiosk is a low-end PC running XP"
[sf]|17:56 inky | I am not a small press or even self published. M. R. Mathias. books are PUBLISHED by Michael Robb Mathias Jr. and should be treated no differently that any big named publishers title. WHY? Because I do my job as a publisher too. Please quit sending my posts into the self published/small press thread. My titles are neither. I have 92k twitter followers @DahgMahn and 10 titles in their genre bestselling list. There is nothing self pubbed, or small, about books written by M. R. Mathias.
[sf]|17:56 inky | Thank you,
[sf]|17:56 inky | M.R.Mathias. publisher, Michael Robb Mathias Jr.
[sf]|17:56 maga says, "ha ha"
[sf]|17:57 maga says, "self-publishing isn't PUBLISHING, that's why it has 'publishing' in it"
[sf]|18:01 inky says, "more crankiness, although that was really the cream: http://fantasy-faction.com/2012/the-man-who-thought-he-was-king "
[movie]|18:02 Fang says, "explosions are pretty boring, these days"
[sf]|18:02 K-Y says, "I'm imagining that in a Doom voice"
[sf]|18:02 K-Y says, "'there is nothing small about books published by DOOM'"
[movie]|18:02 Fang says, "I can't remember the last explosion that really excited me"
[sf]|18:03 inky says, "ha ha"
[movie]|18:03 Fang says, "maybe the problem is slowmo"
[movie]|18:04 Fang says, "fast explosions are still okay"
[sf]|18:04 inky says, "Doom is no self-publisher! Behold the imprint, 'Latverian Royal Press'! An entirely separate subsidiary corporation!"
[IRTA]|18:04 inky says, "fart explosions"
[movie]|18:05 K-Y says, "how about THIS ONE"
[movie]|18:05 McMartin says, "I blame the Mythbusters and similar shows"
[movie]|18:05 McMartin says, "Everyone can get all the *real* explosions they want whenever they want"
[movie]|18:07 Fang says, "nah, I blame videogames"
[movie]|18:08 McMartin says, "I blame videogames for making extended action sequences really dumb"
[movie]|18:08 zarf says, "I blame Wile E. Coyote cartoons. But not very much."
[movie]|18:08 inky says, "hee hee"
[movie]|18:08 McMartin says, "Ernst J. Blofeld, SOOOOOOOOOOOPER GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENIUS"
[movie]|18:09 DorianX says, "i blame the patriaerchy"
[movie]|18:09 McMartin says, "That would actually be great"
[movie]|18:09 McMartin says, "Entirely too many action movie setpieces look like moderately competently executed videogame levels now, and I can't tell if that's because video games have Rotted The Director's Brains Out or because they're doing it with an eye to the licensed game"
[movie]|18:10 zarf says, "I usually presume the latter"
[movie]|18:10 Fang asks, "maybe videogames have stolen all the best ideas?"
[movie]|18:10 zarf says, "'here, make Keanu jump across some giant pistons between bursts of flame'"
[movie]|18:11 Fang says, "so only the dessicated husk of cinema remains"
[movie]|18:11 zarf says, "thats"
[movie]|18:12 zarf says, "that's a funny theory, because cinema is full of action setpieces that are really hard to recreate in videogame form because they don't rely on a uniform command set"
[movie]|18:12 zarf says, "so translating *either* way generally produces crap"
[movie]|18:12 McMartin says (to zarf), "While I will grant that for Star Wars Episode 2, it's kinda hard to do so for Galaxy Quest"
[movie]|18:13 McMartin says, "Avengers example rot13ed"
[movie]|18:13 Fang says (to zarf), "well, there's always quick time events"
[movie]|18:13 McMartin says, "jura veba zna naq pncgnva nzrevpn ner gelvat gb erfgneg gur ebgbe ratvar"
[movie]|18:13 McMartin says, "That felt like a subsequence in an MMO raid"
[movie]|18:14 McMartin says, "Right down to the cat-herding-the-distractible-players aspet"
[movie]|18:14 DorianX says, "The key thing I think"
[movie]|18:14 McMartin says, "Of course, most of the Avengers can stand in fire with no real problem, so you have to switch that up a bit"
[movie]|18:14 DorianX says, "is tht in amovie setpiece, there are forces acting iagainst logic on huge coincidences to keep the protagonist aliv"
[movie]|18:14 DorianX says, "whereas in games, those same forces are trying to kill him"
[movie]|18:14 zarf says, "mm, maybe. I just felt it was a reasonable plot device of getting two people to work together"
[movie]|18:15 zarf says, "semi-reasonable. Okay, contrived"
[movie]|18:15 zarf says, "but not contrived in a videogame-specific way"
[movie]|18:15 K-Y says, "as it turns out, key CGI models from Avengers will be reused for the video game"
[movie]|18:16 McMartin says, "Yeah, I'm willing to grant that that one is *my* brain being rotted by the vidyagames"
[movie]|18:16 McMartin says, "Or, more kindly, that I've been thinking more about level design than cinema for the past three years by a factor of about a hundred to one"
[movie]|18:16 zarf says, "the one moment when I thought 'videogame' was Iron Man zorching a power beam at Cap who reflected it off his shield at a group of mobs"
[movie]|18:16 McMartin says, "Oh, well, yes"
[movie]|18:16 McMartin says, "That's because it was an explicit callout to Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2."
[movie]|18:17 zarf says, "ok then"
[movie]|18:17 McMartin says (to K-Y), "If they share a format that makes the hardest kind of sense, really"
[movie]|18:17 inky says, "ha ha"
[movie]|18:17 Fang says, "I have not seen the Avengers yet"
[movie]|18:17 McMartin says, "But yes, the guy sitting next to me saw the setup and was clearly tensing up leading up to that moment"
[movie]|18:17 zarf says, "sorry"
[movie]|18:18 McMartin says, "And afterwards he said he was shouting inside his head DO THE COMBO ATTACK YOU IDIOTS and then they did and he was happy"
[movie]|18:18 McMartin says (to Fang), "Spoiler: Everyone fights and teams up with everyone else because it is a comic book team movie"
[movie]|18:18 Fang exclaims, "surprising!"
[movie]|18:18 Fang says, "do they also learn the power of teamwork and/or friendship"
[movie]|18:19 inky says, "that is what the movie says they do, yeah"
[movie]|18:19 McMartin says, "It's by Joss Whedon, so teamwork turns out to be kind of broken and haphazard but gets the job done anyway"
[movie]|18:20 baf says, "Also the bad guy uses a naughty word at one point, but it's an archaic naughty word so that's alright."
[adventures]|18:21 Ellison says, "that price *is* pretty ridiculous, yeah"
[lounge]|18:21 Ellison arrives from the east.
[movie]|18:21 inky says, "not to hear some people tell it"
[movie]|18:23 K-Y says, "well, the format of the movie game is 'pinball'"
[movie]|18:23 K-Y says, "so probably not"
[movie]|18:23 Fang says, "they should make a tactical rpg"
[movie]|18:23 McMartin says (to baf), "I'm OK with 'it's an archaic naughty word and only appears once so that means it stays in PG-13 instead of R' since that's basically how PG-13 works"
[movie]|18:23 Fang says, "but I'm assuming any movie game is going to be yet another third person action game"
[movie]|18:24 McMartin says, "The only third person action game adaptations I really enjoyed were Van Helsing and the EA LotR brawlers"
[movie]|18:24 McMartin says, "The latter, because the bonus materials included the actors attempting to play the game and mostly being incredibly bad at it"
[movie]|18:24 inky says, "hee hee hee"
[movie]|18:25 McMartin says, "The former because if you look at the reward structure, the actual goal of the Van Helsing game is to prevent the duergar from stealing your hat"
[movie]|18:25 McMartin says, "(Ian McKellen attempting to use a Dual Shock needs to be seen to be believed)"
[movie]|18:25 baf says, "Seems to me that the ideal videogame adaptation of The Avengers already exists and is called Freedom Force."
[movie]|18:26 K-Y says, "yeah, there will be no movie game other than 'pinball'"
[movie]|18:26 McMartin says, "The problem with that is that I kind of gave up on Freedom Force after a couple of hours"
[movie]|18:26 McMartin says (to K-Y), "I am oddly pleased by this"
[movie]|18:26 McMartin asks, "Will it be a physical table?"
[movie]|18:27 McMartin says, "Also, will you flip green angry balls at alien invaders"
[movie]|18:27 Johnny says (to McMartin), "And you left Avengers after a coupla hours."
[movie]|18:28 McMartin says, "Yeah, but the resolution speed was faster"
[movie]|18:28 McMartin says, "Those menus take forever"
[movie]|18:28 Fang says (to baf), "hehe, you uncovered my cunning plot"
[movie]|18:29 Fang says, "(they should make a new freedom force game)"
[movie]|18:30 K-Y says, "fake virtual table"
[movie]|18:30 K-Y says, "Marvel used to contract with the last remaining pinball manufacturer for physixal tables"
[movie]|18:30 K-Y says, "then they realized that with virtual tables you can have like eight new tables in a year"
[movie]|18:31 McMartin says, "I like the idea of a Sonic Spinball-like Hulk SMASHball"
[movie]|18:31 K-Y says, "so you'll have a game with an angry green ball, as well as all the other color-codes balls"
[movie]|18:31 K-Y says, "coded"
[movie]|18:31 McMartin says, "I've found pinball games are usually more abstract about this"
[movie]|18:31 McMartin says, "Hit three targets for SMASH bonus"
[movie]|18:31 McMartin says, "Hit shield to drop the hammer, etc"
[movie]|18:32 McMartin says, "MAKE THE ANDROID LIVE"
[movie]|18:32 McMartin says, "Man, I should go dig out epic pinball again"
[lounge]|18:32 boucher arrives from the east. boucher asks, "Anybody want a cow?"
[movie]|18:32 K-Y says, "yeah, that sort of thing"
[movie]|18:32 McMartin says, "Whereas in Sonic Spinball Sonic *was* the ball and would do sonic-y things in between getting hit by flippers"
[lounge]|18:33 boucher says, "Man, it's nice to finally have insurance.  I feel like I just got away with robbery."
[movie]|18:33 K-Y says, "it's fascinating how they worked all these narratives into the structure of multiballs and jet bumper bonuses"
[lounge]|18:33 inky says, "the ol' paying-the-premiums scam"
[lounge]|18:33 McMartin says, "Collective bargaining: hax"
[lounge]|18:33 boucher says, "Went to the doctor, got blood drawn, went to the pharmacy, left with a fat bag of medications and not a dollar changed hands."
[lounge]|18:34 boucher says (to inky), "More like the ol' paying taxes scam.  Medicare and Medicaid."
[lounge]|18:34 McMartin says, "COMMUNISM"
[lounge]|18:34 Bishop exclaims, "And in civilized countries, I'm given to understand _everybody_ can do that!"
[movie]|18:34 K-Y says, "although with the virtual tables now they're doing things like 'the Infinity Gauntlet has turned the table upside-down'"
[lounge]|18:35 boucher says, "Previous adventures of a similar sort, when I was uninsured, cost me $500 out of pocket."
[movie]|18:35 inky says, "hmm"
[movie]|18:36 McMartin says, "As a thing to make videogames about, pinball is no intrinsically sillier than platformers"
[movie]|18:36 McMartin says, "Maybe less so, since physics can usually be made to sort of work like that"
[movie]|18:37 inky says, "hmm"
[movie]|18:37 inky asks, "does the ball usually represent something in particular?"
[movie]|18:37 inky says, "or something in-narrative, maybe I should say"
[movie]|18:38 K-Y says, "usually I think it just represents interactions with the world"
[movie]|18:38 Bishop says, "In 'Pinball Game: the Pinball Game', the ball represents a ball."
[movie]|18:38 inky says, "hmm"
[movie]|18:38 inky asks, "so what does multiple balls represent?"
[movie]|18:39 K-Y says, "some kind of special event, basically"
[movie]|18:39 Bishop says, "Er, um, we'll tell you when you're older."
[movie]|18:39 K-Y says, "since those are usually what give you large bonuses"
[movie]|18:40 inky says, "hee hee"
[movie]|18:42 K-Y says, "generally making a specific shot designates something during particular modes"
[movie]|18:43 K-Y says, "but there's only so much room so a shot has to represent sifferent things at differenr times"
[videogames]|18:43 GDorn says, "new version of Day Z dropping"
[videogames]|18:43 GDorn |
[videogames]|18:43 GDorn |
[videogames]|18:43 GDorn says, "ffs"
[videogames]|18:44 GDorn | http://dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4904&pid=45025#pid45025
[movie]|18:44 K-Y says, "unless there's a giant head on the table, in which case hitting it represents hitting the giant head in real life"
[movie]|18:46 inky says, "hee hee"
[videogames]|18:46 GDorn says, "looks interesting.  now you can catch colds.  and the zombie spawn rate is back to sane."
[religion]|18:47 Bishop | Abraham had two wives, Sarah and her handmaiden Hagar.
[religion]|18:47 Bishop says, "Nobody _ever_ remembers Keturah."
[movie]|18:48 K-Y says, "oh man"
[movie]|18:48 K-Y says, "LYG, pinball edition"
[movie]|18:49 K-Y says, "the balls are *right there* in the game"
[videogames]|18:50 Jearl asks, "does it make you cough uncontrollably?"
[religion]|18:51 maga says, "also 'wife' is probably not the word here"
[movie]|18:51 K-Y says, "shoot the spinner repeatedly to overcome nicotine wihdrawal"
[videogames]|18:52 GDorn says, "yes."
[religion]|18:52 Bishop says, "For Keturah it actually is. Hagar's status was complicated, but Keturah was in fact taken as a primary wife after Sarah's death."
[videogames]|18:52 GDorn says, "and it is contagious.  I'm not sure what the cure is."
[videogames]|18:53 K-Y says, "deah"
[videogames]|18:53 K-Y says, "death"
[videogames]|18:53 GDorn | * [NEW] Camera Shake when temperature drops extremely low
[videogames]|18:53 Jearl says, "I hope it's chicken soup and bedrest"
[videogames]|18:53 Jearl says, "you have to eat very quietly though"
[videogames]|18:54 Jearl says, "can't log off now I'm grinding sleep"
[videogames]|18:54 Jota says, "Ha ha."
[videogames]|18:54 GDorn says, "well, you can make cookfires, but so far the only thing you can cook is meat you've gathered from hunting stuff"
[videogames]|18:54 Jearl says, "take this bone, throw in a potato, now you got yourself a stew!"
[videogames]|18:54 GDorn says, "but there are cans of beans and pasta and sardines, so maybe he'll add chicken soup but you have to cook it to get the benefits"
[videogames]|18:55 Jearl says, "in conclusion they need to mod this mod to add the cast of Arrested Development"
[videogames]|18:56 GDorn says, "apparently he's also modding the inventory system to allow for direct interactions with objects, which is a pretty big deal.  being able to drink soda instead of my water bottle would be handy."
[videogames]|18:56 GDorn says, "(the water bottle is refillable, but takes up inventory space, so it's best to drink the soda first to make room for bullets)"
[videogames]|18:59 K-Y says, "it would be hilarious if all the cures for things turned out to be mundane and slow"
[videogames]|18:59 K-Y says, "'okay, take two pills a day with plenty of water'"
[videogames]|19:00 K-Y says, "'no physical exertion when possible'"
[videogames]|19:01 K-Y says, "'don't go in the pool'"
[videogames]|19:01 GDorn says, "well, if anything, that should balance the game a little.  long-running bandits with all the best loot will be coughing all the time, giving away their positions and drawing all the zombies"
[videogames]|19:01 GDorn says, "whereas everybody else will die and come back infection-free"
[videogames]|19:03 K-Y says, "man, this must be how Kojima thinks about games"
[Hugo]|19:18 Ellison says, "heh, so Tdarcos' web interpreter approach seems to be that he's going to decompile each game and then work from the info from there"
[videogames]|19:27 McMartin asks, "'I hate my playerbase, and want them to suffer for the good of all'?"
[videogames]|19:28 McMartin asks, "Or 'it would be *hilarious* to imagine people voluntarily subjecting themselves to this'?"
[videogames]|19:31 K-Y says, "I assume the latter"
[lounge]|19:33 Rob comes right on in.
[lounge]|19:33 Rob says, "blrph"
[lounge]|19:34 Johnny says, "Hey Rob"
[qman]|19:43 K-Y says, "well, I went to bed last night"
[qman]|19:43 K-Y says, "and now I'm trying to think of rubbery artists in professional comics"
[lounge]|19:43 Bishop does the "Moebius striptease", in which the crowd goes wild because he performs a spatial inversion about his pants.
[qman]|19:44 inky asks, "plastic man?"
[qman]|19:46 K-Y says, "maybe Bachalo"
[penny-arcade]|19:47 Rob says, "way-belatedly it seems to me she's pulling the old guy with her left hand and reaching for the knife with her bent right arm in the first panel"
[politics]|19:48 inky | The group Left Action has asked folks to send requests to Secretary Bennett [the guy threatening to leave Obama off the ballot in Arizona if his citizenship can't be proved] to investigate whether Mitt Romney is a unicorn. To date, more than 3,600 requests have been sent.
[penny-arcade]|19:48 Rob says, "I'm trying but I'm having a hard time seeing as her leading him with her right arm and not her left, in large part because the other shoulder and bent arm makes no sense as a left arm"
[penny-arcade]|19:52 inky says, "yeah that makes sense"
[movie]|19:54 Rob asks, "what archaic naughty word?"
[movie]|19:54 Rob says, "maybe it's whatever he says to black widow at that point"
[qman]|19:54 K-Y says, "I think this shows off some notably non-stiff artwork they have nowadays http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3556648.html "
[movie]|19:56 inky says, "yeah"
[qman]|19:56 Rob says, "hmm"
[movie]|19:56 inky says, ""mewling quim""
[movie]|19:56 Rob says, "ah"
[movie]|19:56 Rob says, "well now that it's been set up quim does sound kind of archaically dirty"
[movie]|19:57 inky says, "which you would presumably not get away with if it was "loud-mouthed cunt""
[movie]|19:57 inky says, "oops, I guess "whining" woul dbe more apt"
[movie]|19:57 Rob says, "also I liked the bit where iron man zapped guys by bouncing rays off cap's shield, but I'm less happy that it was a shout-out to some videogame I've never played instead of just a neat idea the filmmakers had"
[movie]|19:58 K-Y says, "I didn't know about that part but I think you'd eventually come up with that if you sat down and brainstormed power interactions"
[movie]|19:58 K-Y says, "independently"
[lounge]|19:59 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[movie]|19:59 Jota says, "#belated I'm reminded of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Black Dossier."
[qman]|19:59 Rob says, "that's quite a long smooch"
[movie]|20:00 inky says, "I'm trying to think which of the actual action pieces from the movie I remember"
[movie]|20:00 inky says, "I think the jokes are usually more memorable"
[movie]|20:00 Jota says, "In which our heroine is talking to a character who is obviously intended to be James Bond, and she introduces herself as Odette O'Quim, or 'Oodles' for short."
[penny-arcade]|20:00 Rob says, "however I still don't understand why Gabe thinks it's okay to draw a blobby crescent shape and call it a nose"
[movie]|20:00 baf says, "I don't even remember that bit, but when it was mentioned here, I immediately thought of the combos in Chrono Trigger."
[movie]|20:01 K-Y says, "also, Marcos Martin and Paolo Rivera on Spider-Man"
[movie]|20:01 K-Y says, "ilac"
[qman]|20:01 K-Y says, "also, Marcos Martin and Paolo Rivera on Spider-Man"
[penny-arcade]|20:01 inky says, "ha ha"
[movie]|20:01 inky says (to Jota), "wow, hunh"
[qman]|20:01 K-Y says, "very non-stiff, refreshing stuff"
[movie]|20:01 inky says, "I have read black dossier but I guess that got filed under real bond girl names"
[qman]|20:02 Rob says, "huh"
[movie]|20:02 Jota says (to inky), "The heroes, later on, do remark to each other that Jimmy never batted an eye at the name, and speculated that perhaps he meets women with names like that all the time."
[movie]|20:03 Rob says, "what was it? a graphic novel or a book or something"
[movie]|20:03 Jota says (to Rob), "A graphic novel."
[movie]|20:03 Jota says, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_extraordinary_gentlemen "
[movie]|20:04 Jota says (to Rob), "Unless you meant Chrono Trigger that baf mentioned, in which case that's a video game."
[movie]|20:07 K-Y says, "now Alan Moore will accuse people of stealing his ideas again"
[robmumble]|20:09 Rob says, "bah, printer won't print even in black and white if one of the color inks is out"
[lounge]|20:09 Allen says, "wheee, drive home"
[lounge]|20:10 Allen says, "woman in a white SUV, talking on her cellphone, turned right down a one-way street"
[lounge]|20:10 Allen says, "that I was on"
[robmumble]|20:10 Rob says, "also, wouldn't accept the trick of putting a different color ink in that slot, as if they have shaped the cartridges in some subtle way that tells the printer what color cartridge it is, which I wouldn't put past them"
[lounge]|20:10 inky says, "yeep"
[robmumble]|20:10 Rob says, "but if I want magenta in my yellow ink slot I should be able to do that !"
[robmumble]|20:11 inky says, "they have chips built into the cartridges now that get scanned, I believe"
[robmumble]|20:11 inky says, "(I think this gets used to determine ink levels also)"
[lounge]|20:11 Rob says, "did she seem to get angry at you as if it were your fault"
[lounge]|20:11 Allen says, "couldn't tell."
[robmumble]|20:11 Rob says, "I tried all sorts of tricks but was rebuffed"
[lounge]|20:11 Allen says, "but there was no way to go, so when a car stopped directly in front of her, she turned and drove up onto the sidewalk"
[lounge]|20:12 Rob asks, "did she get off the phone?"
[lounge]|20:12 inky says, "wow dang"
[lounge]|20:12 Allen says, "couldn't tell. I saw that part from my rear-view mirror"
[lounge]|20:12 Allen says, "I just passed her normally"
[lounge]|20:12 inky says (to Rob), "this was an important maneuver so she had to pull out a second cellphone"
[lounge]|20:12 Rob says, "the only reason I ask is because I've noticed a trend"
[lounge]|20:12 Allen says, "heh"
[lounge]|20:13 Rob says, "when you call someone on bad phone etiquette, either driving badly while on the phone, or using a phone in a movie theater, they respond by getting angry at *you* and calling you a dickhead and a jerk"
[lounge]|20:13 Allen asks, "and calling the helpline for the movie and complaining loudly that they'll never come back?"
[lounge]|20:14 Rob says, "which is kind of weird, the sense of shame or 'oops I'm sorry' is entirely replaced by an offensive attack"
[lounge]|20:14 Rob says, "yeah, though I've now witnessed milder versions of that same thing"
[lounge]|20:14 Allen says, "I had a cash register person get angry for pointing out she gave me change for a 20, when I only gave her a $10"
[lounge]|20:14 Rob says, "'hey, could you put that phone away?'   'fuck you, jerk (to companion) what an asshole'"
[lounge]|20:15 Allen says, "and then she opened up the register to prove me wrong, and found she had put my $10 into the $20 bin"
[lounge]|20:15 Rob says, "a whole argument erupted between a guy sitting the row ahead of me and the guy sitting a row behind me when I was watching Avengers"
[lounge]|20:15 Allen says, "and then accepted the money back without saying anything"
[lounge]|20:15 inky says, "ok zip"
[lounge]|20:15 inky wanted bring similar excitement to Ukrainians by bringing the telepathic pig to the city's fan zone before matches.
[lounge]|20:15 Jota says (to Rob), "I dunno, it could be a shame reaction."
[lounge]|20:16 Rob says (to Jota), "yeah, it seems like it is a shame reaction, but it's diverted into defensive hostility instead of humility I guess"
[lounge]|20:17 Rob says, "it seems like the people know they're not in the right, but don't want to or can't or don't know how to admit it, or something"
[lounge]|20:17 Rob says, "but the anger and the swear words and the dirty looks are still kind of a surprise to me"
[lounge]|20:17 Rob says, "but now I've seen it happen multiple times in multiple scenarios"
[lounge]|20:20 boucher says, "I have the opposite problem.  I'm entirely too quick to apologize, even to the point where I sometimes apologize for something that has nothing to do with me"
[lounge]|20:20 Rob says, "there is sort of a pride reaction, 'I refuse to publically admit I was wrong, and furthermore, I insist that what's rude is for someone I don't know to say anything about my behavior.'"
[lounge]|20:20 Rob says (to boucher), "yeah"
[lounge]|20:21 Rob says, "I'm more naturally aligned to be like that, which makes this kind of reaction more alien to me, as familiar as it is now getting to be, unfortunately"
[lounge]|20:21 Rob says, "it does seem like various manners have gone unlearned at least"
[lounge]|20:22 boucher says, "Like, just a bit ago, a nurse was here, and she was reading over a document aloud and she read a bit wrong, and then stopped and corrected herself.  I confirmed the correction, then followed it with 'sorry' for some reason."
[videogames]|20:22 K-Y | Achievement unlocked
[videogames]|20:22 K-Y | 5G - UUUURRRRGGGH
[lounge]|20:22 Rob says, "both the etiquette for when not to use or abuse your phone, and the etiquette for how to respond when challenged about it"
[videogames]|20:22 Rob says, "heh"
[lounge]|20:22 Rob says (to boucher), "heh"
[videogames]|20:23 K-Y says, "('Died immediately after starting the game')"
[lounge]|20:23 Rob says, "have you ever had anyone yell at you to stop apologizing"
[videogames]|20:23 Rob says, "wow. that's some achievement"
[videogames]|20:23 Rob says, "if I died immediately after starting a game that'd be the last achievement I ever saw because I wouldn't play it again"
[lounge]|20:23 boucher says, "No.  (I'm sorry I had to say no.)"
[lounge]|20:23 Rob says, "hee hee"
[lounge]|20:24 Rob says, "well, the meek shall inherit the earth"
[lounge]|20:24 Allen says, "what's left of it"
[lounge]|20:24 Rob says, "but will we still want it"
[lounge]|20:24 Rob says, "timing"
[lounge]|20:24 Allen says, "everyone else will fly to the stars"
[lounge]|20:25 boucher says, "Flying to the stars the wrong way with a phone glued to their ear."
[videogames]|20:25 Rob says, "actually I'm basically at the point where I don't want to die playing games"
[videogames]|20:25 Rob says, "which eliminates almost all videogames before I even try them"
[lounge]|20:26 Rob says, "uh oh, I'd better go now if I want to get more printer ink tonight"
[videogames]|20:26 boucher says, "I play virtually all games on their easiest difficulty nowadays as long as I don't miss content because of it"
[videogames]|20:26 Rob says, "yeah me too"
[videogames]|20:26 Rob says, "which makes me even more sad when I die playing something because I'm already on the easiest setting"
[videogames]|20:27 boucher says, "If I want a challenge later, I'll make one up...like, if there's a health bar, I'll try to play without losing *any* health"
[books]|20:27 Allen says, "spidering is now complete. Woo, I got 11 gigs of book scans from this Bologna university"
[videogames]|20:27 Rob says, "I think the easiest setting should be some sort of can't-actually-die setting"
[books]|20:27 Rob says, "cripes"
[lounge]|20:27 Rob says, "back later"
[lounge]|20:27 Rob moseys right on out.
[lounge]|20:27 Jota says (to Rob), "#belated Don't forget, *you're* the one making them feel shame."
[lounge]|20:27 Jota says, "Whoops."
[videogames]|20:33 K-Y says, "this was on *novice* mode"
[puzzles]|20:37 Allen says, "cool, check it out:"
[puzzles]|20:37 Allen says, "a puzzle canon: http://badigit.comune.bologna.it/cmbm/images/ripro/gaspari/_Q021/Q021_002.asp "
[puzzles]|20:38 Allen says, "too bad it's hard to read the text"
[puzzles]|20:39 Allen says, "3 voices, it looks like"
[lounge]|20:39 genericgeekgirl arrives, then tries to turn the lounge into a small business.
[lounge]|20:44 Ellison says, "hey ggg"
[lounge]|20:45 genericgeekgirl waves.
[pie]|20:49 * Psmith has joined the channel.
[lounge]|20:52 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[videogames]/21:08 McMartin asks (of Rob), "Does this mean stuff like Tetris, Bejeweled, or other test-to-destruction games are out immediately?"
[lounge]|21:09 Rob comes right on in.
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Rob says, "mrgmfn"
[videogames] Rob says, "heh, good question"
[videogames] Rob says, "if I play those at all any more, I tend to play them in the long-survival mode where it doesn't get harder and harder (and faster and faster) as it goes"
[videogames] Rob says, "hm maybe my angry emotional reaction to dying in games is related to the shame thing I was talking about earlier"
[videogames] Rob says, "this game has shamed me! it brings dishonor to me! FU game"
[pie] Rob asks, "pie?"
[Skyrim] katre says, "mumble frumble stupid stolen flag"
[Skyrim] katre says, "I have no idea how I have a stolen dragon scale"
[Skyrim] katre says, "I thought I was the world's only source of dragon scales"
[Skyrim] katre says, "so I am assuming it's a bug"
[Skyrim] Rob asks, "you're carrying a red-hot dragon scale?"
[Skyrim] Rob says, "at first I thought you were on some capture the flag side quest"
[Skyrim] katre says, "apparently so"
[Skyrim] katre says, "hee hee"
[Skyrim] katre says, "no, I was trying to reduce inventory, but a) apparently I'm carrying a lot of stolen goods despite never intentionally stealing anything, and b) no merchants have any money anyway"
[Skyrim] katre says, "ah, apparently this happens when you put stuff in a chest and tell lydia to grab it"
[Skyrim] katre says, "argh"
[Skyrim] katre says, "at some point when I'm less annoyed I'll go on an orc forging spree"
[videogames] K-Y says, "THIS IS THE GREATEST SCORING SYSTEM"
[robmumble] Rob says, "hm the wikipedia article on 'shame' is not bad"
[videogames] K-Y says, "OMG"
[videogames] Rob says, "do tell"
[Skyrim] Rob says, "that's how the uruk-hai were born"
[videogames] K-Y says, "you've got four modes, but they are all intuitive and directly complementary to each other"
[videogames] Rob asks, "also, what game is this?"
[videogames] K-Y says, "Akai Katana"
[videogames] K-Y says, "360 exclusive"
</Johnny> Mi acetos bananon
<Johnny> Thanks four showing this 2 us mandmscommercials!
[videogames] K-Y says, "you start out in your plane's defense mode and shoot stuff, which drops energy"
</Johnny> Mi acetos bananon
<Johnny> Thanks four showing this 2 us mandmscommercials!
[videogames] K-Y says, "hold down the shoot button to rapid-fire and grab energy to hold it near you without picking it up"
[pie] Psmith says (to Rob), "Cherry, as it happens."
[videogames] K-Y says, "move that energy near enemy bullets to make it turn into bigger energy"
[videogames] K-Y says, "fill up the energy bar to turn your plane into a giant ghost ninja"
[videogames] K-Y says, "where you have a shield of complete impregnability that lets you move around and bounce bullets all over the screen"
[videogames] K-Y says, "next bounce bullets near enemies and kill the enemies to make them drop gold"
[videogames] K-Y says, "return to plane mode to pick up tons of gold for massive scoring"
[videogames] K-Y says, "repeat"
[videogames] K-Y says, "and that's not even getting to the enhanced mode where enemies also drop steel ingots and katanas"
[videogames] K-Y says, "and you throw steel at enemies to make them drop more katanas, then throw the katanas at them"
<inky> This fire horribly burned Felicia, and caused her to turn evil.
inky forgave the fanfic-quality prose. And the spontaneous orgasms. And the helicopter.
[videogames] K-Y says, "to make them drop gold"
[Internet] Allen asks, "you know what the internet needs more of?"
[Internet] Allen says, "decorative initials"
<Johnny2> Johnny2 has connected to ifMUD.
Johnny2 uses the Jedi mind trick to get in here without the monkey stormtrooper needing to see its identification. The cad!
<Bishop> Dogs piss on trees because they can sense the evil.
Bishop shows several hundred slides of flowers and snowflakes, and punctuates every third sentence with "Just like Rule 30!"
[Internet] Jota says, "I've always found a nice 'J' to be rather fetching."
Johnny2 says, "Hi Bishop"
[Hugo] Recchi says, "I know that he won't finish it, and will cease working on it by blaming something like the documentation/me/php/whatever... so I'm not going to allow myself to be frustrated by anything."
[Hugo] Recchi says, "But..."
[Hugo] Recchi says, "Him being told "make Pantomime (a straight text game) work" and then ignoring that and looking for Guilty Bastards, a game with graphics and sound, is so f&%$#ing him."
[Internet] Allen says, "I'd try to find you one, but in the books I'm looking at, there are no J's"
[Internet] Allen says, "I stood in for J in the 16c, mostly"
[Internet] Allen says, "you only ever saw a j when two i's were found together. Then the second would be a typographical j to distinguish it"
[Hugo] Ellison says, "yeah... although I have to admit that I would be disappointed if he gave up without making these crazy conclusions first"
Johnny2 goes home.
</Johnny2> Johnny2 has disconnected from ifMUD.
[videogames] K-Y says, "I guess there's no way to describe this without it sounding convoluted, but it really is incredibly fluid in practice"
two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
</two-star> I don't want you to pray to the duck. I want you to ASK THE DUCK YOUR QUESTION.
[Internet] Allen says, "I'm looking at italian stuff, so Jacques de Wert is rendered Giaches di Wert"
[videogames] K-Y says, "and completely overcomes how shmups would otherwise be overly deterministic"
[Internet] Jota asks, "Oh, you mean decorative initials like dropcaps?"
[pie] Rob says, "mm"
[videogames] Rob says, "yeah I was going to say it sounds complicated, but it also sounds like something that you get used to over a few rounds of play"
[Internet] Rob asks, "decorative initials?"
[language] Jota says, "Hmm, interesting. I'm watching a Korean movie. All the dialogue is in Korean. But when a character is trapped and trying to get aid, he writes 'HELP' on the ground. In English."
[language] Rob says, "hmm"
[language] Rob says, "maybe every language now has 'HELP'  'OK' and 'COCA-COLA'"
[videogames] McMartin says, "It feels to be enough of a sidelight that it wouldn't get in my way as much"
[language] maga says, "yeah, English was weird in that one"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I would also worry that this means it's a game where superplay both (a) looks nothing like normal play and (b) is very boring"
[language] maga asks, "Prisoner on the Moon, or something?"
[language] Rob says, "did you instantly recognize the movie from that description"
[videogames] Rob asks, "superplay?"
[videogames] McMartin says, "As often happens with the 'we want to penalize the player making very dangerous actions' optimizing to 'and now we sit here and graze boss bullet patterns for 15 minutes'"
[language] Jota says (to maga), "'Castaway on the Moon', yeah."
[language] Jota exclaims (at Rob), "Apparently so!"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Superplay - people playing well enough to be amongst the best in the world by the metric in question, usually score"
[videogames] K-Y says, "well, bouncing bullets around with your shield completely confounds any predetermined patterns"
[language] maga asks, "I suppose Korean does not really lend itself to nice clear messages in sand?"
[band-name] Allen says, "I randomly came across this page while looking for something else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_in_heavy_metal_music#Bands_disbanded "
[videogames] K-Y says, "and when you come out of that mode, there's one final blast that shoves all bullets away"
[videogames] McMartin says, "More generally the kind of play where their considerations are less 'shoot things' or 'don't get hit' and more along the lines of how best to optimize second-order effects"
[language] Allen says, "are you kidding? There's a whole national holiday for korean characters that can be drawn in the sand"
[videogames] Rob says, "experiencing the cognitive dissonance between 'I guess it's okay to be the best in the world at something or other' and 'man, what a waste of time to put in the hours necessary to be the best in the world at game mechanic X'"
[language] (from Allen) Allen says, "by peeing."
[language] Rob says, "must be tough to write your name in the snow in chinese or korean"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Eh"
[band-name] Allen | The Number Twelve Looks Like You was a mathcore[1][2] band from Fair Lawn, New Jersey. Their music combined elements of grindcore, progressive metal, hardcore punk and jazz. They were a highly influential piece in the local New Jersey scene.
[videogames] McMartin says, "This is where the fighting game and RTS disconnect happens, really"
[band-name] Rob says, "mathcore"
[videogames] McMartin says, "High tier play needs *something* to optimize on because they don't have to think about the base gameplay anymore"
[band-name] Allen | Mathcore, also known as math metal, is a rhythmically complex and dissonant style of metalcore.
[videogames] K-Y says (to McMartin), "hmm, I feel that with pinball too"
[videogames] Rob says, "yeah"
[band-name] Johnny says (to Rob), "It's already a genre."
[videogames] K-Y says, "saw the high-level play and it turned out to be 'grind the safe multiballs over and over'"
[videogames] Rob says, "but it's players like that who screw things up for duffers like me"
[videogames] K-Y says, "'don't go for wizard mode, way too risky'"
[band-name] Allen | An early antecedent to mathcore was practiced by Black Flag, in 1984, with the album My War: "Its seven-minute metal dirges and fusion-style time signatures proved too much for many fans".[10] Many groups from the mathcore scene paid tribute to Black Flag for the album Black on Black.[11] In the 1990s, groups now often described as mathcore were grouped together as "noisecore".
<mwmiller> mwmiller has connected to ifMUD.
[videogames] Rob says, "because the difficulty levels are set for those meatheads"
[band-name] Allen says, "but they've been rigorously proven to be mathcore, I hope"
[videogames] McMartin says, "This is apparently a somewhat contention opinion, but stuff like chess is a good game *because* there's tremendous depth of second-order interaction. That's the part that is the game, not the mechanics of piece movement and capture"
[band-name] Rob asks, "I'm wondering where the math comes in. the time signatures?"
[band-name] Rob says, "also I've heard of black flag now that I watched the documentary American Hardcore"
[band-name] McMartin asks, "'Gwen Stacy'? Really?"
[band-name] Rob says, "she's all in again now that the new spider-man movie is coming out"
[band-name] McMartin says, "Also I can't help but notice tremendous overlap between 'bands disbanded' and 'bands reformed' on this list"
[videogames] McMartin says (to Rob), "To be fair, the standard you are setting here for difficulty intrinsically can't be met by any platformer or shmup without in some sense becoming *more* obnoxious"
[videogames] McMartin says, "In a platformer you can have no hazards, but that means basically "a checkpoint at the bottom of every hill", which means your game becomes a game about repeatedly trying and failing to scale a set of stairs"
[videogames] Rob says, "platformers are okay as long as they don't have timed levels"
[videogames] Rob says, "and the jump button is responsive as hell"
[videogames] Rob says, "then I know it's my fault if I goof because I didn't do it right, not because I was rushed or the button didn't work"
[videogames] McMartin says, "But a scrolling shooter kind of needs stuff for you to not crash into, or it is basically that old screensaver where you click on mimes and they explode"
[videogames] Rob says, "yeah I don't play scrolling shooters"
[videogames] Rob says, "I only play games with shooting if they have a story"
[videogames] Rob says, "and if I'm playing a character through a story it's awful when they die"
[videogames] McMartin says, "DESTROY THEM ALL YOUR MISSILE IS NOT EQUIPPED YET"
[videogames] Rob says, "it takes all the fun out of imagining this is the hero who survives this tale"
[videogames] Rob says, "because they didn't"
[videogames] McMartin says, "YOUR SHOOTING IS LIKE NAPALM IN THE BACTERION'S PANTS"
[videogames] Rob says, "and yes, so we're down to the idea that there are no games for me to play any more"
[videogames] McMartin says, "*BACTERIONS'"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I'm kind of curious how your death-aversion would apply to games like Within A Deep Forest, where tactical suicide is sometimes used a teleport or mode-switch"
[videogames] Rob says, "the game industry might come around in another ten or fifteen years when a chunk of lifelong gamers themselves get too old to have good reaction times"
[videogames] McMartin says, "That's not what you're asking for, though."
[videogames] Rob says, "well if I'm teleporting or mode-switching then whatever"
[videogames] Rob says, "I'm just asking to not die if I'm playing Easy mode, because that's what Easy mode should mean"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Well, right, but these are functionally equivalent to getting shot in the face"
[music] K-Y says, "yes yes yes http://www.npr.org/2012/05/20/151711015/first-listen-saint-etienne-words-and-music-by-saint-etienne "
[music] K-Y says, "I was worried about how long the US release would take, but if NPR has it we should be fine"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Yeah, that means 'I will only play games where it is meaningful for death to be impossible'"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I'm also assuming that by 'death' here you actually mean 'failure' or 'setback'"
[videogames] Rob says, "or, you know, like lego star wars. I died, but I'm still playing"
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[videogames] McMartin says, "So, uh, doesn't that mean Super Meat Boy gets a pass"
[videogames] Rob says, "not I died, but now I have to start this stupid level over again and watch a cutscene of my character collapsing with a big YOU DIED message and sad music"
[videogames] Rob says, "I dunno, I played super meat boy for two minutes and got bored and quit"
[videogames] Rob says, "also probably because I died"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Yeah, but you were playing again *before the death animation ended*"
[news] Allen | Berman ordered Ravi to receive three years of probation, perform 300 hours of community service, undergo counseling and pay a $10,000 fine that will go to an organization providing assistance to victims of bias crimes.
[news] Allen | The judge also recommended that Ravi not be deported.
<Olly> returns like a re-gifted fruitcake.
Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[Hugo] Recchi says, "Haha"
[videogames] Rob says, "maybe so, but I still decided it wasn't a fun game and quit"
Olly says, "Hello, MUDsters."
[videogames] Rob says, "I'm not saying this isn't my personal problem, I'm just saying there aren't many games I like nowadays"
[videogames] Rob says, "because I think playing games should be fun, and most of them are frustrating and irritating instead"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Well, Super Meat Boy is another test-player-to-destruction game, really"
[videogames] Rob says, "yeah, exactly, so fuck it"
[videogames] Rob says, "it defeated me in 2 minutes. yay, it wins. gbye"
[ollyprattle] Olly does a happy dance.
[videogames] McMartin says, "I just find it odd because this definition also applies to Every Casual Game Ever"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "wow"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "glad to see you being happy"
[videogames] McMartin says, "And every arcade game pre-DDR"
[videogames] Rob says, "you don't see me playing those either"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "It has been a long time."
[videogames] McMartin says, "Or whenever it was that the arcade game designers realized that they could make even more money if the player had to put more money in *even if they won*"
[videogames] Rob says, "also, I used to be 12 instead of 41"
mwmiller arrives from the east.
Olly says, "Hello, mwmiller."
[videogames] Rob says, "yeah I stopped long before that"
mwmiller says, "Jolly good, I managed to stumble my way around.  Hi."
[videogames] McMartin says, "Actually, I forget if Pole Position ended at the same point every time win or lose"
Olly asks, "My, you've been gone a long time, haven't you?"
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No plan.
Rob says, "2004? man"
Ellison says, "the name sort of rings a bell"
mwmiller says, "Yes, I'm kind of surprised my player-object is still around to be honest."
[videogames] McMartin says, "Anyway, yeah, as you've noted, there aren't many games you can play, and I'm also kind of concerned by your 'maybe they'll get better at this later' because there don't even seem to be many games you can even theoretically play"
[videogames] McMartin says, "You mention reflexes, but pretty much all strategy games are out because definitionally not only can you fail, you'll spend your entire learning curve failing"
Rob says, "it's creepy how long ago 2004 is"
Rob says, "that should still be a crazy futuristic date"
Olly says, "It is."
Olly says, "That's the year I graduated from high school."
[videogames] Rob says, "yeah I don't play strategy games"
McMartin says, "In the Shadowrun timeline we're all supposed to turn into elfs and dwarfs and trolls and stuff in a few months"
[crime] Jota says, " http://cuteoverload.com/2012/05/21/oceans-1/ "
[videogames] Rob says, "well look, one game that was good was an RPG that did fights via turn-based tactics instead of real-time reflexes"
[videogames] Rob says, "so I could sit there for however long I wanted thinking of how I was going to play out the fight, and that was awesome"
Olly says, "Righteous."
[videogames] McMartin says, "That doesn't appear to meet your criterion"
[videogames] Rob says, "they made a sequel and replaced it with real-time combat and I hated it"
Jota asks (of McM), "Was that scheduled for the Mayan calendar rollover?"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Since the game is free to kill the snot out of you regardless"
[videogames] Rob says, "except I'm smart and can figure things out"
[videogames] Rob says, "also I think you're caricaturing my gripes into criteria that don't actually exist in my head per se"
[videogames] Rob says, "but now exist in yours"
McMartin says (to Jota), "Now that you mention it, it appears that it is"
[videogames] McMartin says (to Rob), "I may be reading too much into 'you can't die'"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "I hope I turn into a dwarf."
[videogames] Rob says, "probably"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Which I'm reading as, basically, 'every game must be Merciful on the Zarfian cruelty scale'"
[videogames] Rob says, "in a story game where I'm having fun, dying in combat kills the fun"
[videogames] Rob says, "that's a coarse and dumb reading I suppose"
genericgeekgirl waves to mwmiller!
[videogames] McMartin asks, "Mine or your summary just before it?"
[videogames] Rob says, "I don't play a lot of IF any more either though"
[videogames] Rob says, "the zarfian cruelty scale thing sounds a bit coarse and cartoonish"
genericgeekgirl brb.
genericgeekgirl wanders off for a bit.
[videogames] McMartin says, "I guess something I'm genuinely unclear on here is whether you're saying 'every game should be easy enough that *I* won't die on the easiest setting' or 'every game should have a mode where dying or its equivalent is *intrinsically impossible*'"
[videogames] Rob says, "more the latter"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I'm going to be weird on the latter case because my idea of 'or its equivalent' you would likely find uncomfortably broad"
[videogames] Rob says, "yeah you're going to far with 'or its equivalent'"
[videogames] McMartin says, "In the platformer case, I consider 'you fell off the staircase and have to reclimb it' to be equivalent to 'you died and the checkpoint is the bottom of the stairs'"
[videogames] Rob says, "or you're not, and I'm saying all games are impossible, which is why I don't like any"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I'm definitely being confused in part by your apparent claims that you don't like any games"
[videogames] Rob says, "yes but there's no platformer like that"
[videogames] Rob says, "well, most of them aren't any fun any more"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Actually, the tactical suicide aspect of Within A Deep Forest does this pretty explicitly"
[squid] Olly says, "My squid is 120 days old now."
[videogames] Rob says, "because the emotion they provoke is frustration, anger, irritation, disappointment, and grumpiness, rather than enjoyment and pleasure"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Climb a tower, get halfway up, hit save point, miss jump, fall to bottom"
[videogames] McMartin says, "You *could* reclimb the whole thing, but it's easier to hit the suicide button and continu from halfway up"
[videogames] McMartin says, "This seems about the same as having a mysterious infinite floor in the middle of the tower that you can't miss"
[videogames] Rob says, "I have no ability to argue about your hypothetical made up tower game"
genericgeekgirl returns from space. Quick, put on those ape suits and ook.
genericgeekgirl gives plush rat to mwmiller.
[videogames] McMartin says, "It's honestly not hypothetical, I was replaying it last night"
[videogames] Rob says, "oh yeah you did name it"
Ellison pages: I'm not following the #videogames conversation all that closely, but McMartin's tastes run different enough from mine that I can't really take any of his videogame theory seriously
[videogames] Rob says, "well whatever, games aren't fun any more, so I don't play many"
mwmiller says, "Aw, what a cute rat."
[videogames] McMartin says, "The 'it's not killing me but I keep falling off this staircase and I am frustrated now' game for me was Mega Man Zero."
mwmiller says, "Mind, the ones I know are pretty standoffish."
[videogames] Rob says, "if I could think of a game I would enjoy I'd make it, except that I have no ability to make a game of my own"
Olly gives an imaginary flower to mwmiller.
You paged Ellison: heh
[videogames] McMartin says, "I realize that's intended as a concluding statement, but I feel the need to plug the Game Maker system anyway because I found it very easy to noodle around in like that"
[videogames] McMartin says, "(yoyogames.com)"
Olly asks (of genericgeekgirl), "Did you always use the random olounge?"
genericgeekgirl says (to Olly), "Yeah."
[videogames] Rob says, "I have a game maker thing that even makes iphone and ipad apps but I can't do much of anything successful with it"
Olly says, "Huh.  I never noticed.  Maybe I don't see you arrive very often."
genericgeekgirl says, "I almost never leave the lounge."
genericgeekgirl says, "I haven't really wanted to see my apartment for the past six weeks or so.."
Johnny says, "Hi Olly, mwmiller, and ggg"
[videogames] Rob says, "it's more about becoming content to get older and stop playing games"
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mwmiller asks, "Nothing wrong with that.  What's a lounge for, if not lounging around in?"
Olly says, "Hello, Johnny."
[peanut-gallery] Johnny says, "Omggg"
Olly says, "Yes, and I think you are usually here when I log on."
Olly says, "So I don't see your olounge when you connect."
[videogames] Ellison says, "I'm not quite at the not-enjoying-anything stage, but I don't invest myself into anything that isn't clicking for me... but overall, I'm cool with maybe finding one or two cool games a year if it means I get better about working on my own stuff."
[videogames] Rob says, "I dunno what my deal is at some level"
[videogames] Rob says, "I enjoyed Arkham Asylum quite a lot"
[videogames] Ellison says, "yeah, me too"
[videogames] Rob says, "I got Arkham City and threw it against the wall"
[videogames] Rob says, "actually I woke my parents up by screaming obscenities at it at 4 in the morning, which was embarrassing"
[videogames] McMartin says, "My controller has twelve buttons, and every single one says BATMAN on it."
[videogames] Ellison says, "I'm waiting for the GOTY edition of Arkham City, so hopefully the SAVINGS will make me enjoy it that much more"
[videogames] Rob says, "I got stuck right after catwoman appeared, and wished I'd never unlocked her"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I have Arkham City sitting around somewhere, I should look into it maybe"
[videogames] Rob says, "I also realized the game was going to be an endless toil of useless fights that I might or might not survive by luck and that sounded like hell"
[software] Olly asks, "Why do packages of office software have such rotten drawing programs?"
[videogames] Johnny says, "I think aside from the Harley Quinn thing all the DLC is costumes and challenge maps."
[videogames] McMartin says, "Asylum was mostly good, but I felt the stealth sequences required more mind-reading than I'm comfortable with."
[videogames] Rob says, "the game is stuck on catwoman and the radar dingus that tells me where I need to go next goes in circles when I follow it"
[videogames] Rob says, "I followed it for four goddamn hours in circles and it never led anywhere"
[videogames] Rob says, "and now I have to start the game over again from scratch because I'm stuck there, but eventually I'll be in the same place because I unlocked catwoman"
[videogames] Rob says, "I don't remember having any problems with the stealth sequences"
[videogames] Ellison says, "huh, that's interesting. I just assumed that I would love Arkham City, but it's very possible that I won't enjoy the new directions (like, it's a bit more sandbox-y, right? I guess it makes sense that they'd balance that with more difficulty, but I can understand how that'd backfire)"
[videogames] Rob says, "and I like treasure hunts like the riddler stuff"
[videogames] Rob says, "the riddler stuff in the sequel annoyed me because they're all locked"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Yeah, treasure hunts are one of my berzerk buttons, it turns out."
[videogames] Rob says, "I dunno what I have to do to get them to start unlocking, but I'll never get there, so I threw it at the wall"
[videogames] McMartin says, "The Riddler stuff had some game-breaking stupidity at least at launch. I do not know if it has at least been patched."
[videogames] McMartin says, "In that some of it would stay locked forever if you didn't unlock it within a specific window in-game."
[videogames] Rob says, "treasure hunts are fine by me because it's about poking around and not dying"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Games didn't get pretty enough for me to enjoy poking around in them until 2008, as it turns out"
[videogames] Rob says, "I replayed Psychonauts up to the meat circus level just to replay the treasure hunts and bang those out again"
[videogames] K-Y says (to McMartin), "IIRC the endgame re-unlocks everything wide open"
[videogames] McMartin says, "The first scavenger-hunt game I enjoyed was PoP2008"
[videogames] K-Y says, "and as long as you don't go fight the final boss you can go wherever you want"
[videogames] Rob says, "there aren't any good IF treasure hunts any more"
[videogames] McMartin asks (of K-Y), "Hm, I recall someone complaining about how some stuff got permalocked, but maybe that was in the postgame?"
[videogames] Rob says, "</troll"
[videogames] Rob says, ">"
[videogames] McMartin says (to Rob), "That's an interesting point, actually"
[videogames] K-Y says, "hmm, they say that everything should be available in the postgame"
[videogames] maga says, "Jacq and I keep talking about making a game that would essentially be a big scenery-heavy explore-and-search-for-treasure-analogues game"
[videogames] K-Y says, "since for plot reasons a lot of obstructions have an excuse to get removed"
[videogames] Rob says, "maybe it's because my parents made treasure hunts for me when I was a kid or something"
[videogames] K-Y says, "hmm, so a big tour of stuff to see and to find"
[videogames] Rob says (to maga), "mm"
[videogames] K-Y says, "reminds me of Windosill"
[videogames] K-Y says, "only that was sort of a micro-game"
[videogames] maga says, "(with puzzles mostly on the light-trivial-nonexistent scale)"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I have a half-formed plan for a treasure hunt get-key-put-in-lock game where there are like 12 keys but any given playthrough can only get you, say, 5"
[videogames] maga says, "then again, this has failed to happen for six years because Jacq is constantly busy"
[videogames] Rob says (to McM), "brf"
[videogames] McMartin says, "And then any reachable combination of 5 should suffice for all the locks, because multiple solutions"
[videogames] K-Y says (to maga), "now try finding time to play it"
[videogames] Rob says, "oh ok"
[videogames] Ellison says (to Rob), "if you're okay with console-style RPGs, you should maybe pick up Anachronox from gog.com. there's a challenging photography sidequest that is kind of fun."
[videogames] Rob says, "hmm"
[videogames] Rob says, "I've at least heard the name anachronox before"
<two-star> yea why try her raw wet hat
two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
Olly says, "Hello, two-star."
[videogames] K-Y says, "Ellison says it a lot"
[food] Allen | What is a baby carrot? Is it a carrot's little offspring, or some kind of mutant half-breed? I pulled a thumb-size nubbin from a plastic pouch, bit it in half and studied the core. This was no child, and no dwarf, either--but a healthy, full-sized carrot in cross-section, pared down in a factory and reshaped to queer, child-like proportions. My orange baby was a grown-up in a diaper, a vegetable with Peter Pan syndrome. It was a weirdo. It was a fake.
Johnny says, "Hi two-star"
two-star says, "Hiyas."
[videogames] Ellison says, "I don't say it quite as much as I used to, but yeah"
[food] Rob says, "what do they do with the shaved off part of the carrot"
[food] two-star says (to rob), "Orange goo."
[food] Allen | "Carrots are the anomaly," said Carol Miles, an associate professor of vegetable horticulture at Washington State University who has studied, among other things, the cultivation of baby corn. Most "baby" vegetables are the real deal, she said: They're harvested early and immature.
Hugo flies into the lounge via TWA, losing his luggage 5 times in the process.
Olly says, "Hello, Hugo."
Hugo says, "Heya."
[food] Olly says, "I call them tumbled carrots."
[food] Allen | If some baby veggies are like baby cows, then others are more like full-grown midget cows, or they're not even cows at all. Baby broccoli, for example, is its own thing--a hybrid of regular, grown-up broccoli and a Chinese plant called gai lan. Baby turnips come from their own Lilliputian race of plants.
[food] maga says, "yeah, the carrot stumps are a weird thing I'd never seen before coming to the US, and suddenly they were everywhere"
[food] Allen asks, "carrot stumps?"
[food] Allen asks, "do you mean carrots attached to the stem?"
[food] maga says, "I mean baby carrots"
[food] Olly says, "So called."
[food] Allen says, "oh"
[food] Allen says, "ah"
[food] Allen says, "I don't mind them, but I'd rather just buy pre-diced carrots"
[videogames] K-Y says, "seriously, I felt that Portal 2 was basically a treasure hunt"
[food] Allen says, "pre-peeled and pre-cut"
[videogames] McMartin asks, "Where the treasure is portable surfaces?"
[videogames] K-Y says, "*exactly*"
[videogames] McMartin says, "*portlable"
[food] boucher says, "Hello and welcome to Carrot Stumps, the game show where we test your carrots' knowledge!"
[food] Allen says, "carrot peeling sucks. This is 2012. No one that makes more than 10% above the poverty level should ever have to peel a carrot in America"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Yeah, this was a complaint leveled against it"
[videogames] K-Y says, "the problem being that since there's only one treasure with *spotlights* shining on it, failing to find it sooner than immediately just makes you feel like an idiot"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Apparently what they wanted was a world where you could do 47,000,000 things, 46,999,999 of which are no-ops"
[food] Olly is stuck peeling carrots.
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[TV] zarf says, "bah"
[TV] zarf says, "but I'm not surprised"
[videogames] McMartin says, "That said, I found the more wide-open bits of Act II quite challenging to navigate regardless"
[TV] Ellison says, "yeah, sorry to share the bad news. I mainly was sharing it because of the funny headline."
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[TV] zarf says, "I guess I'm more interested in whether it was yet another case of 'the actors found out from Twitter because syfy never called'"
[videogames] Rob says, "oh yeah portal 2. still haven't managed to download it yet"
[videogames] K-Y says, "there was one part where failure to navigate was due to my own lack of my imagination"
[videogames] K-Y says, "everywhere else it was solely 'oop, didn't see that distant small surface'"
[TV] Rob says, "yet another? oh dear"
[TV] Ellison says, "article doesn't really say"
[videogames] McMartin says (to Rob), "Not sure if they're your speed, but my offer to give you chicken-based navigation puzzle games and maybe cube-movers still stands"
[videogames] Rob says, "I enjoyed the first Portal, as a data point"
[videogames] K-Y says, "jumping around was basically a token gesture"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I don't recall if I have any leftover cube games"
[videogames] Rob asks, "chicken-based?"
[TV] zarf says, "no, it doesn't"
[education] Allen | http://www.salon.com/2012/05/22/interview_with_my_bully_the_bully_who_asked_me_out/
[education] Allen | The first thing I thought was: Of course I remember you. You made fun of my dead boyfriend in front of the entire senior class. The second thing was: I did not play Persephone in Sue Jagger's fourth grade.
[videogames] Rob says, "well since I still haven't managed to download and run anything successfully through steam I'm skeptical, but you could try I guess"
[videogames] McMartin | http://store.steampowered.com/app/38700/?snr=1_7_suggest__13
[education] Allen | I read the note over and over, wondering why Caleb's email sounded like he was proposing marriage in 16th-century Europe. "I have a fantastic job in the mud-pie-makers guild and can offer you five ducks and one cow," it seemed to say.
[videogames] McMartin says, "Warning: You can die or get stuck, but there is unlimited rewind"
[education] Rob says, "we did a play in sixth grade about persephone"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Also achievements for getting slaughtered in creative ways, at least one of which I still haven't managed"
[education] Rob says, "I had a line as part of a chorus of offstage voices where we intoned, 'Persephone has eaten the fruit of the dead. Now she is *ours*'"
[videogames] K-Y says, "Portal 2 was basically a long guided tour where they build as many handrails and paint as many targets on the walls for you possible"
[videogames] K-Y says, "however, the endgame still has the token bottomless pits"
[education] two-star says, "There was a Persephone play as a bit in the Revels, the first time I was in it."
[education] Allen | Now, I felt like Caleb was attempting to shove himself into Ben's role. He offered a hot-air balloon ride, a dinner cruise and, ironically, a pilgrimage to F. Scott Fitzgerald's grave.
[TV] zarf says, "the writers did a good job of wrapping up last season in a way that stands as a series finale"
[videogames] McMartin says, "The endgame was noticably trickier than anything from Portal 1, but I'm not sure how much harder to execute it was."
[education] two-star says, "But I didn't actually get a part in the Persephone play."
[videogames] Rob says, "anachronox, windows only"
[videogames] K-Y says, "again, I thought the execution was basically going through the motions"
[education] Allen asks, "awww. Not even the tree?"
[education] Olly says, "We did a play about all the nursery rhyme characters prosecuting Mother Goose for libel."
[education] Rob says, "heh"
[videogames] K-Y says, "I didn't start falling into pits due to small miscalculations until the custom levels"
[education] Rob says, "I don't remember a tree"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I managed it a few times due to *large* miscalculations"
[videogames] K-Y says, "large I don't mind"
[videogames] Rob asks, "what games aren't going through the motions?"
[videogames] Rob says, "this is the larger ennui"
[education] Allen says, "hmm, I think there's a tree associated with her"
[videogames] McMartin says, "*about* going through the motions, not 'going through the motions'"
[videogames] Rob asks, "what games aren't about going through the motions?"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Well, strategy games"
[videogames] Rob asks, "because you're involved at some meta-level?"
[education] two-star says, "They did a neat special effect with pomegranate seeds that were red LED's in thimbles, which they would 'throw' (turning off the LED while making a throwing motion) and 'catch' (turning on the LED while making a catching motion.)"
[videogames] Rob asks, "how are those not?"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I have yet to see a Civ game with NOW WITH PULSE-POUNDING ICON-CLICKING ACTION"
[videogames] Rob says, "so that's what going through the motions means to you I see"
[videogames] K-Y says (to Rob), "I interpret it as 'I know exactly what to do, now to do it'"
[videogames] McMartin says, "K-Y is saying that the 'platforming' segments in Portal 2 were not platforming challenges but closer to 'entering in the puzzle solution so that the engine accepts that I have solved it'"
[videogames] K-Y says, "right"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Not going through the motions as in 'phoning it in'"
[TV] Doug says, "I just watched two episodes of Wil Wheaton's Tabletop show on my living room Tivo.  It's like I'm living in the future!"
[education] Allen | In another version of this story, Persephone innocently plucked some fruit from the trees in the gardens of Hades herself. To fight off her terrible hunger, she secretly ate seven pomegranate seeds. But a gardener of Hades had seen her and ratted her out to Hades. Persephone punished him for his indiscretion by turning him into a screech owl
[videogames] Rob says, "these things end up for me as 'I know exactly what to do, but I'm having a fiddly time trying to actually -- oh bother, I died and have to restart again'"
[education] Allen says, "that's a perfect opportunity in a 4th grade play to have a girl in a tree costume"
[videogames] Rob says, "well what the hell else is portal than that"
[videogames] McMartin says, "That defines the platform challenge, yes - 'I know what needs to be done, but actually doing it is difficult feat'"
[videogames] K-Y says, "I will admit that still happens now and then in Portal 2"
[videogames] Rob says, "or, I know I need to shoot all these bad guys to get on with the story, but I can't manage to do it"
[education] Allen says, "like in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ0MyGI0kQc "
[videogames] K-Y says, "but then life's like that sometimes"
[education] Rob says, "why not a boy"
[videogames] McMartin says, "As for what else Portal is - 'I don't know what I need to do, I will need to explore and ponder this environment and its interactions with its subcomponents'"
[videogames] K-Y says, "until we invent psychic games I guess"
[videogames] Rob says, "well right, so is it only going through the motions if it's blindingly obvious from the start, or just from the moment when you get it, or what"
[videogames] Ellison says (to Rob), "oh yeah, I forget you are an Apple guy"
[videogames] K-Y says, "from the moment you get it"
[videogames] Rob says, "well I'm on a windows netbook now"
[education] Allen says, "that would be salacious!"
[videogames] Rob says, "but I don't play games on it"
[videogames] Rob says, "I don't play games on my mac either, since it's for art and video editing"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I get the impression that an unusual number of players instead went 'I don't know what I need to do, so I will freeze up and stare into space in a blind panic' and that this is why every surface in Portal 2 has giant arrows on it pointing at the spotlight"
[videogames] Rob says, "xbox and ipad, ok for games, if I'm lucky"
[videogames] Rob says, "hm"
[videogames] Rob says, "well if people are reflex shooters they will be baffled by serious puzzles. maybe they wanted that audience to get in on it"
[education] Olly says, "In the 4th grade the girls are taller."
</inky> You can assuage the heartbreak of finding that a particular type of weird sausage isn't on the menu by eating another weird type of sausage instead.
<inky> This fire horribly burned Felicia, and caused her to turn evil.
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[videogames] Rob says, "I may end up deciding that I don't like videogames the same way I have no interest in watching sports being played"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I think Portal 2 had bigger reasons for needing to do this than just that, actually"
Olly says, "Hello, inky."
[videogames] Rob says, "I don't like chess either though for whatever reason"
[videogames] boucher says (to McMartin), "You don't even need to form an impression, really.  With the Portal 1 commentary, they said multiple times, 'At first, we had this room way harder, then realized players got lost and confused and scared, so we added all these...well, not *arrows* as such, but subtle cues that drew them naturally to the solution.'"
[videogames] McMartin says (to boucher), "Right, but Portal 2 has Actual Arrows"
[videogames] K-Y says, "there's a huge part of game design now that's about discovering what makes players feel bad and weeding that out"
[videogames] Rob asks, "dying. can you weed that out?"
[videogames] Rob says, "yay, full circle"
[videogames] boucher says, "Yeah, I just mean, the average Valve playtester is probably pretty softcore."
[videogames] Rob says, "now I can do something else with the rest of my evening"
[videogames] McMartin says, "It also, however, to be fair, has much, much larger environments that for mimesis reasons have to be kind of samey, and some sort of orientation mechanism for 'when you've stepped away for 12 hours, where were you pointed again' is kind of necessary"
[videogames] Rob says, "professional playtesters are softcore? hmm"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Epic brutality is almost always from small indie teams"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Needs to be a team though, because individual designers have a tragic tendency to miss something very important"
[videogames] Rob says, "bah, reorienting yourself after a long break is something players should be able to do for themselves because it's interesting"
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[videogames] Rob says, "there was just a long nytimes review article about some indie game with caustically hard puzzles overlapping in layered dimensions"
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[videogames] Doug asks, "Fez?"
[videogames] Alex says (to Doug), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that a fez is a cool hat."
[videogames] Rob says, "and I went from thinking early in the article 'hm maybe I should play this' to thinking 'ok there's no way I'm going to enjoy this level of torture'"
[videogames] Doug asks, "Miegakure?"
[videogames] Rob says, "yeah, fez"
[videogames] boucher asks, "Being invited to a focus group is professional?"
[videogames] Rob says, "funny I should have been able to remember that"
[videogames] Rob asks, "they invite focus groups now instead of just hiring slave labor?"
[videogames] boucher says, "I appreciate what the Telltale adventure games have been doing"
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[videogames] boucher says, "They have a 'The Story So Far' log"
[videogames] boucher says, "And it makes it a snap to return, even after a long break"
[videogames] Rob says, "sigh, this reminds me of how annoyed I got playing telltale's sam and max adventures"
[videogames] McMartin says (to K-Y), "'Failure makes players feel bad so we should remove anything resembling a challenge, and instead let them push buttons randomly for 30 hours and tell them continuously how awesome and special they are for pushing those buttons' is kind of the endpoint of that, and it's not a good one"
[videogames] Rob says, "there's just no hope for me having fun in videogames any more"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I should get back into ToMI"
[videogames] boucher says, "Aw, don't get grumpy, Rob!  Next thing, you'll decide you hate movies and reading and eventually you'll be like, 'Bah, I can't stand breathing any longer', and we'll miss you."
[videogames] Doug says (to Rob), "you should see Indie Game: The Movie!"
[videogames] Doug says, "it's at the Alamo Drafthouse on Wednesday"
[videogames] Rob says, "but that's part of the whole sad tale of 'hey, maybe I should apply for a job at telltale' + 'hey, maybe I should actually play their games first' + 'hey, I don't like these games, oops' + 'hey, they didn't reply to me when I applied, I wonder why'"
[videogames] Rob says, "heh"
[videogames] Doug says, "it's partly about Fez.  It's also a really good movie"
[videogames] Rob says, "I have a feeling I'd end up annoyed and frustrated if I watched it"
[videogames] K-Y says (to McMartin), "I think that kind of success is going to prove to be only ephemeral and not a lasting business model"
[videogames] Doug | ?There is a vibrant, beating heart that powers INDIE GAME: THE MOVIE and will hopefully serve to inspire the many of us who confine ourselves to small places and lock humanity out while struggling and striving to create something beautiful. Possibly the most mature look at video games yet.? -Indiewire
[videogames] Rob says (to boucher), "it is a slippery slope"
[videogames] Doug says, "I have no interest in playing Super Meat Boy, but I still enjoyed seeing the story of it being made"
[videogames] Doug says, "I do want to try Fez though"
[videogames] Rob says, "hm it is possible that I would enjoy the story of it being made more than playing it"
[videogames] Rob says, "I just don't want to end up jealous and frustrated that I don't have an indie game company making stuff"
[videogames] Doug says, "it's a really well done doc.  Stylish but not annoyingly so"
[videogames] Rob says, "especially since I live in austin"
[videogames] Doug asks, "why don't you have an indie game company?"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I would like Fez to be ported to a platform I own, I hear it's a Grand Riddle game and I like those"
[Hugo] Ellison asks (of Johnny), "as someone who has tried out my CoverArt extension, did you see loafingcoyote's reply to the JC thread? what are your thoughts?"
[videogames] Rob says, "probably because I don't know any other guys, I'm terrible at running a business, and I'm skeptical that anything would come of it"
[videogames] Rob says, "I guess the part about Fez that turned me off was that you need to take notes while you're playing it"
[videogames] K-Y says, "what completion percentage are people up to in Fez now, anyway"
[videogames] McMartin says, "That's a reasonable turnoff though I admit to a soft spot for it occasionally."
[videogames] K-Y asks, "517%?"
[videogames] Rob says, "I took notes while playing Rhem games"
[videogames] McMartin says, "I have not yet dared to play a Rhem game"
[videogames] Rob says, "I had a lot of fun with them up to a point"
[videogames] Rob says, "they boiled down what I liked about riven and such to its essentials"
[videogames] Rob says, "and didn't bother faffing around with anything else"
Rob says, "garr, time to recharge"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.