Logfile from ifmud. ************************************************************************ ** ** ** Welcome to ifMUD! ** ** ** ************************************************************************ FAQ: http://www.allthingsjacq.com/ifMUDfaq/ IP: 66.114.68.227 MONKEY: Ook. If you... have an account Type "connect name password" to log in need an account Go to http://ifmud.port4000.com:4001/ and apply are just visiting Type "connect guest guest" to login as Guest want to see who's on Type "who" for a list of players online have problems Email markm - mark.musante@gmail.com TYPE connect, who, or quit: Login Succeeded ifMUD An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board quotebook url database with a parrot bot Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved. Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety. I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy." --Jearl NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced on the channel '#mud-updates'. OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are interested in this subject. To join, go to http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/ or talk to Steve. Robinson Manor A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness. You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob Visible Exits: west, east "An artist doesn't burn out with age because he works too much. Working hones his craft." Channels created since last check: misc/ShouldHaveSaid : How could you have missed that opportunity to Adventurer's Lounge Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north. You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday Steve!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List Players: Alex, markm, Bishop, Doug, GDorn, Touchy, DorianX, Jearl, Psmith, annabianca, Whizzard, Allen, Ryan, Dave, Grocible, baf, McMartin, Matthew, vimes, maga, jpt, Jon, Marktwo, Richie, schep, Emily, Fang, marc, Jizaboz, boucher, genericgeekgirl, zarf, Johnny, Roger, inky, Gunther, ghira, Tale, lpsmith, olethros, josh_g Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east Rob comes right on in. Recapping 293 of 3090 lines from recent channels: [college]/09:48 olethros | Student craze for swigging beer in trees until you drop ... [web-toons]|09:52 Lionheart says, "Heh, but I really liked 2594." [web-toons]|09:52 olethros says, "ah, too bad my time machine is broken" [lounge]|09:54 Emily says, "I don't suppose anyone here has finished Endless, Nameless" [lounge]|09:57 Jizaboz says, "Haven't played that one yet myself." [lounge]|09:58 boucher says, "It's not hard to understand why, on account of it being hard to look up if it's nameless, never mind finishing it if it's endless." [jobs]|09:58 Gunther says, "ok, I give up" [lounge]|09:59 Emily says (to boucher), "the game does somewhat make this point itself, and yet I'm pretty sure there must be a way to get more than I'm currently seeing." [lounge]|09:59 Gunther says, ">name game" [lounge]|10:00 boucher says, "I really haven't played it, so I have no idea how he presents the concepts, but I have to say, Adam's probably still an amateur at making something endless compared to MMO designers." [lounge]|10:01 Gunther says, "he ported a BBS door" [lounge]|10:02 boucher says, "Actually, #tangent...we're probably lucky Adam hasn't turned his talents to evil. He could probably make one hell of an MMO." [lounge]|10:03 boucher says, "As it happens, only Emily has sold her soul like that." [lounge]|10:03 boucher says (to Emily), "(Kidding)" [lounge]|10:03 Emily coughs [college]|10:03 Fang says, "IRTA swigging bear" [lounge]|10:04 ghira goes home. [lounge]|10:04 * ghira has disconnected. [mozilla]|10:04 Gunther asks (of Ryan), "have you heard of Kilimanjaro?" [google]|10:06 K-Y | I don't know if the judge will tell the jury that a verdict today will be rewarded with a day off resulting in a long weekend. If he does, then the incentive is so strong that we'll be very likely to see a verdict today. [lounge]|10:07 genericgeekgirl: is she in the lounge or not? Yes [ ] No [ ] [lounge]|10:07 (From genericgeekgirl) (This poll (c) 2012 by cnn.com) [lounge]|10:07 genericgeekgirl waves. [lounge]|10:07 Jizaboz says, "Good morning GGG" [google]|10:08 Gunther says, "man if these fucknuts decide for Oracle we can just shut down all of IT now" [lounge]|10:09 Tale's first civilian job after World War I was at the Oxford English Dictionary, where he worked mainly on the history and etymology of words of Germanic origin beginning with the letter W. [google]|10:09 K-Y says, "what is your impression" [google]|10:09 K-Y says, "of what they are deciding" [music]|10:10 Gunther | No-one likes Coldplay, it’s just them buying their own records, which even they themselves don’t like. A world in which people like Coldplay makes no sense, and I refuse to take part in it. [music]|10:10 Tale says, "Also works for Nickelback." [music]|10:10 Gunther says, "YES" [google]|10:10 Gunther says, "whether or not aping APIs is a breach of copyright" [music]|10:11 Gunther says, " http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=8142 " [music]|10:14 Tale says, "yay" [google]|10:17 K-Y says, "yeah, the jury can't do that" [workplace]|10:18 genericgeekgirl says, "Oy. There's drama at MathWorks over peanuts. Like, it's turned into a flamewar on the internal newsgroup." [google]|10:18 K-Y says, "the judge will do that later" [lounge]|10:20 Richie asks, "Did I say morning, yet?" [lounge]|10:20 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, rosy pink this time of day. [lounge]|10:20 Richie says, "Afternoon, anyhow" [lounge]|10:21 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Richie" [lounge]|10:21 genericgeekgirl says, "And Zarf" [lounge]|10:21 zarf says, "hi" [google]|10:21 K-Y says, "the jury's decision is 'assuming that can infringe, did Google infringe'" [lounge]|10:22 Tale says (to zarf), "Funny story: During lunch break. I thought of "So Far". becausen it was hot and humid and oppressive." [research]|10:24 olethros says, "hm" [research]|10:25 olethros says, "this conference has ... hm ... 1) categories 2) general terms 3) keywords" [research]|10:26 olethros says, "aha" [research]|10:26 olethros says, "there are a number of terms" [google]|10:28 Gunther says, "uhmm" [google]|10:28 Gunther asks, "so they can say "yes, Google infringed" and the judge can say "nnnnnope!"?" [google]|10:34 K-Y says, "in theory" [google]|10:34 Fang says, "this seems to put an awful lot of power in the hands of the judge" [google]|10:35 Fang says, "oh also http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120502083035371 " [google]|10:35 zarf says, "that's what judges have the power to do" [google]|10:35 K-Y says, "well, judges decide what the law is" [google]|10:36 Fang says, "so I guess if things go pear-shaped, you can always have IT in europe" [google]|10:36 K-Y says, "if there is ambiguity" [urls]|10:36 Jon | https://twitter.com/#!/arctictony/status/198034733333086209 [google]|10:36 K-Y says, "yes, Google attached the whole thing for the judge to read" [tangent]|10:37 Fang says, "huh, SAS" [google]|10:40 zarf says, "fosspatents is blogging that by US law APIs are flat-out copyrightable, declared in a 1989 case" [urls]|10:44 Allen says, "yay" [mozilla]|10:45 Ryan says (to Gunther), "I have, yeah." [law]|10:45 Allen RTA 'law APIs' [google]|10:49 Fang asks, "fosspatents has an agenda though, right?" [google]|10:49 zarf asks, "who doesn't?" [google]|10:50 K-Y says, "what's your understanding of his agenda here" [google]|10:50 Fang says, "well, like, he has an axe to grind and has been hugely wrong in the past" [google]|10:50 zarf says, "I don't know all the backstory. I know he's consistently pissy about Google" [google]|10:50 Fang says, "also, he's employed by Oracle" [google]|10:50 zarf says, "but then I read Gruber, who is consistently pissy about the universe" [google]|10:52 Fang | That said, as a believer in transparency I would like to inform you that Oracle has very recently become a consulting client of mine. We intend to work together for the long haul on mostly competition-related topics including, for one example, FRAND licensing terms. [google]|10:52 zarf says, "enh" [google]|10:52 K-Y says, "from a legal perspective he's said things that make sense" [google]|10:53 Allen says, "but he has a bias! Unlike every other blogger" [google]|10:53 zarf says (to allen), "please don't start" [google]|10:53 K-Y says, "granted I wish he hadn't cornered the market as far as blogging about this stuff" [Skyrim]|10:53 Tale says, "#gayright #furries | You know what they say; once you allow gay marriage, next thing you know people will be marrying lizards and cats. Oh, wait ..." [google]|10:53 Gunther says, "putting the FOSS into fossilized lawmaking" [Skyrim]|10:54 Gunther says, "IRTA #furies" [google]|10:54 Fang says, "but I guess the point is that if you are citing him as an independent analyst" [google]|10:54 Fang says, "rather than as, potentially a representative of Oracle" [google]|10:54 Fang says, "then, well, really he brings no authority to his position" [google]|10:54 zarf says, "the point of the post I was referring to is that the judge in the US case invoked this old precedent and asked Google if they had a counterargument, and Google has not given one" [Skyrim]|10:55 Tale says, "Of course you did." [google]|10:56 K-Y says, "he writes a ton of stuff about this every day and knows law" [google]|10:56 K-Y says, "people could be not relying on him as much as they do" [google]|10:57 K-Y says, "but to do that they would have to, well, report at the same level at least" [google]|10:57 Fang says (to zarf), "well" [google]|10:57 Fang | Judge Alsup told Google's counsel that Google had to address the Johnson Controls decision with a view to the Java APIs. I still haven't seen any convincing argument from Google why Johnson Controls wouldn't apply or why the Java APIs should be, under the Johnson Controls logic, anything other than copyrightable. [google]|10:58 Fang says, "the stress in that sentence seems to be the word 'convincing'" [google]|10:58 Gunther says, ""Johnson Controls"" [google]|10:58 zarf says, "okay" [google]|10:58 Fang says, "what is or is not convincing to an Oracle employee may or may not be convincing to a judge" [google]|10:59 Allen asks, "is that your only point here? No substantative points at all?" [google]|10:59 K-Y says, "Google hasn't exactly been making a lot of great arguments here" [google]|10:59 Allen says, "yeah, but we don't know who K-Y's employer is." [google]|10:59 K-Y says, "'Oracle says good things about us in polite company'" [exercise]|11:00 markm says, "If I had time, I would make it my mission in life to eliminte the use of the # symbol to mean pound-weight." [google]|11:00 K-Y says, "among others" [exercise]|11:00 markm says, "^ #tangent" [tangent]|11:00 markm | http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2461 [google]|11:01 Fang says, "and Florian Muller is, not, AFAICT, in fact any sort of legal authority" [tangent]|11:01 markm says, "Looks like my mission will be starting with the invention of a time machine." [google]|11:01 K-Y says, "yes, he is not a judge" [google]|11:01 Fang says, "his background is in online startups" [google]|11:01 Fang says (to K-Y), "nor is he a lawyer, a legal student, or whatever" [google]|11:02 Fang says (to Allen), "well, my point is that zarf's reference to fosspatents is meaningful only insofar as 'random dude on the internet paid by Oracle believes X'" [lounge]|11:03 Gunther says, "zoop--->>>" [lounge]|11:03 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it. [research]|11:03 olethros says, "Springer is so slow" [google]|11:03 zarf says, "I think that is an unfair characterization" [research]|11:03 olethros says, "I already submitted for EWRL 2012 last month, and the proceedings of EWRL 2011 are still not out" [google]|11:03 zarf says, "but I, too, am only a random dude on the Internet" [google]|11:04 zarf says, "and many of my friends are paid by Google" [google]|11:05 Allen | In October 2011 Müller announced on his blog that Microsoft had commissioned him to conduct a study on patents.[29] [google]|11:05 Allen says, "man, if they'll just hire random internet dudes with no law experience" [google]|11:05 Fang says, "then my degree of credibility afforded to Muller on this issue is equivalent to the degree of credibility I afford to you or anyone else" [google]|11:05 zarf says, "okay, done with this" [google]|11:06 Fang says (to Allen), "He ran a lobbying group on software patents" [google]|11:07 Fang says, "his main specialisation is in public relations" [jobs]|11:07 Tale says, "These hours alone in the office are getting to me+" [jobs]|11:07 Tale says, "getting careless in my internet usage" [lounge]|11:07 Johnny insisted that the mobile hot-dog-on-a-bun did nothing wrong. [jobs]|11:09 (from Allen) Tale says, "Hearing voices. Seeing things. That old caretaker is telling me where I can get an axe." [google]|11:12 K-Y says, "I'm not going to say that 1989 case is decisive here" [google]|11:15 K-Y says, "but do you have a different interpretation" [google]|11:18 Fang says, " http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/274260/whats-stake-oracle-v-google " [google]|11:18 Fang says, "addresses Muller's argument" [google]|11:18 Fang says, "mainly it argues that Muller ignores a subsequent case that this author alleges shows the opposite" [google]|11:19 Fang says, "mostly quoting Pamela Jones of Groklaw, who, well, at least has legal training" [google]|11:20 Fang | Johnson Controls wasn't about the same type of facts that Oracle v. Google is. So far as we can tell, it was about the SSO of a computer program, not SSO of APIs. It's hard to tell because it was an appeal of a preliminary injunction, and the rules on that are pretty light. An appeal of a preliminary injunction is only possible if there is a clear mistake of law. The appeal said at that point, it couldn't rule that there had been such a mistake, but at trial it assumed the issue would come up again. [google]|11:21 Fang | ;:| "So it didn't establish a rule for APIs. It also doesn't say what FOSSpatents seems to think it says. And it was superseded by Feist, which held that the SSO of a computer program is only copyrightable if the structure, sequence, and organization are creative." [google]|11:22 K-Y says, "Feist" [google]|11:23 K-Y says, "we know that as the 'phone book case'" [google]|11:24 K-Y says, "I have no idea where Feist says anything about computer programs" [lounge]|11:24 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse. [google]|11:25 Fang says, "but neither is this case about computer programs" [google]|11:25 Fang says, "it's about APIs" [google]|11:25 K-Y says, "your quote" [google]|11:26 K-Y says, "and Feist was about phone books" [google]|11:26 Fang says, "and Johnson Controls was about computer programs" [google]|11:27 Fang says, "well, Feist was broadly about 'information'" [google]|11:27 Fang says, "you can argue that information includes computer programs" [google]|11:27 K-Y says, "my point is what is the person you're quoting talking about with 'Feist held'" [lounge]|11:29 Tale is fired from breathing. [lounge]|11:29 * Tale has disconnected. [google]|11:29 Fang says, "well, sez wikipedia" [google]|11:29 Fang | Feist Publications, Inc., v. Rural Telephone Service Co., 499 U.S. 340 (1991),[1] commonly called Feist v. Rural, is an important United States Supreme Court case establishing that information alone without a minimum of original creativity cannot be protected by copyright. [google]|11:30 Allen asks, "copyright?" [google]|11:30 Alex says (to Allen), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that copyright is Copyrights expire >= n years after the death of the author where n is the number of years from the release of "Steamboat Willie" to the current year." [google]|11:30 K-Y says, "she claims that Feist somehow contains a holding about the SSO of a computer program" [google]|11:30 Fang says, "right" [google]|11:30 Fang asks, "is the SSO of a computer program not information?" [google]|11:31 K-Y says, "to just say it like that" [begood]|11:31 Johnny says, "Woo" [google]|11:32 K-Y says, "seems at least irresponsible" [rant]|11:35 genericgeekgirl asks, "Argh. How is it that I can be having an active conversation with my husband over IM, but then when I need an immediate response to something, he's wandered off?" [google]|11:37 Allen says, "wait, Pamela Jones isn't even a lawyer? She's just a random dudette on the internet" [rant]|11:37 (from zarf) (nobody on the channel replies) [google]|11:40 Fang says, "she's a paralegal" [google]|11:41 Allen asks, "so, does she have any legal education or did she just work for a lawyer in the past?" [google]|11:42 K-Y says, "...how did this get to be the top hit for oracle v google in Google News 15 minutes after posting" [google]|11:44 Fang says, "I don't know" [lounge]|11:44 Roger had no idea were-liches favored stabbing people in the back repeatedly. [vim]|11:44 Fang asks, "is there a way to jump to a specific byte in vim?" [lounge]|11:44 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Roger" [exercise]|11:45 Roger says (to markm), "Supa-belated: Hunh really? I think I picked it up from D&D or something." [lounge]|11:45 Roger says, "Hello genericinterviewgirl" [vim]|11:45 Allen says, "I like to use bvi (binary vi) for things like that" [rant]|11:47 Roger says, "We come equipped standard with a spousal-avoidance system" [vim]|11:47 Fang says, "hmm" [exercise]|11:48 Roger says, "I am feeling a bit smashed this morning" [quotebooks]|11:54 markm says, "not sure this is worth a qb, but I found it amusing" [quotebooks]|11:54 markm | [facepalm] Gunther asks, "what the hell does 'weeaboo' mean?" [quotebooks]|11:54 markm | [facepalm] inky says, "it's from, uh" [quotebooks]|11:54 markm | [facepalm] inky says, "oh, no, I'm wrong" [quotebooks]|11:54 Roger says, "Heh" [news]|11:54 Roger says, "So I heard a bit more about that terrible-tanning-mom story and I'm now pretty convinced that nothing bad happened and she'll totally get off" [lounge]|11:56 inky is mostly just chilling, trying to avoid pollution and forest fires. [lounge]|11:56 inky says, "good morning" [lounge]|11:57 Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please. [board-games]|11:58 Gunther says (to markm), "finally played that turn" [board-games]|11:58 markm says, "woo" [board-games]|11:58 Gunther says, "sorry" [board-games]|11:58 markm says, "no worries. now we just have to bug vimes to make his move" [vim]|12:01 Richie says (to Fang), "[count]go" [vim]|12:01 Richie says, "possibly you have to be in binary mode already..." [linkedin]|12:02 inky says, "hmm" [linkedin]|12:03 inky asks, "is there any way to see people who work at company X who previously worked at company Y?" [names]|12:08 Roger says, "Robnyn Benson" [workplace]|12:09 Allen says, "we're having a "Queso de Mayo" celebration" [names]|12:09 Roger says, "That must get old fast. Robnyn. No not Robyn. RobNYN. NIIIIN" [workplace]|12:09 Allen says, ""Everyone is encouraged to dress in their favorite Mexican garb"" [workplace]|12:09 Allen says, "I think I'll go as a middle-class Mexican working in IT" [workplace]|12:10 Roger says, "Heh" [workplace]|12:13 schep says, "mm, cheese of may" [workplace]|12:13 Allen says, "it beats that school that got in trouble for racism after their Drinko de Mayo" [workplace]|12:14 schep says, "oy" [workplace]|12:14 Gunther says, "I dare you to go as Manny Calavara" [workplace]|12:14 Recchi says (to Gunther), "Haha" [workplace]|12:15 Recchi says, "And only go places that people have mimed clicking on" [workplace]|12:15 Gunther says, "GF had no clicking" [workplace]|12:16 schep says, "turn in place, your head randomly darting in weird directions" [workplace]|12:16 Roger says, "Smear some dirt on you forehead and hey I'mma Dirty Sanchez" [workplace]|12:17 Gunther says, "or your head moving reeeaallly slowly then snapping to while your body careens into everything in sight" [workplace]|12:17 Gunther says, "man it had THE worst controls" [workplace]|12:18 schep says, "A friend made a death mask for Dio de los Muertos. It was cool and looked somewhat like Manny." [workplace]|12:19 inky says, "awesome" [tangent]|12:22 genericgeekgirl says, "We had a Grim Fandango-themed room once at my residence hall's annual Halloween party, with the people running the room in appropriate costumes." [workplace]|12:22 Allen says, "my coworker Chris Moncivalles just saw that and said "I don't remember being asked to dress in blackface for black history month"" [jobs]|12:22 Recchi says, "Someone at work has recently decided to change up their morning routine." [rpg]|12:22 Roger | People have asked me what is going to make our hillbilies different from what is out there. [jobs]|12:23 Recchi says, "They come into our work area and cook bacon in our microwave." [jobs]|12:23 Recchi says, "At 10:22 AM." [rpg]|12:23 inky says, "ha ha" [rpg]|12:23 schep says, "Creature Template: Hillbillie" [rpg]|12:23 inky says, "our hillbillies are hillarious" [lounge]|12:23 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo [lounge]|12:23 ghira says, "meep" [rpg]|12:24 schep says, "-5 INT, -5 WIS, +15 CON" [Windows]|12:26 inky asks, "is sql server the main standard product with an annual license? like, if some company is running ten windows servers with some running IIS and some running sql server and whatever other standard things people have, is sql server the main expense?" [Windows]|12:26 inky says, "I guess there's visual studio expense on the dev boxes, which might be an MSDN license or might be a one-time cost" [Windows]|12:29 schep says, "I think Qt commercial is an annual per-developer fee. But not everyone would use that." [lounge]|12:29 Tale's first civilian job after World War I was at the Oxford English Dictionary, where he worked mainly on the history and etymology of words of Germanic origin beginning with the letter W. [workplace]|12:29 Allen says, "my coworkers are dissing velveeta" [lounge]|12:29 Tale says, "hi" [workplace]|12:30 schep says, "the creamiest cheese-like food substance" [workplace]|12:30 Allen says, "block of velveeta, can of rotel: instant queso" [videogames]|12:31 Gunther says, "#sigh Elder Scrolls MMO" [videogames]|12:32 Gunther says, "meanwhile | AirMech In-Game Music and Soundtrack by... FRONT LINE ASSEMBLY" [videogames]|12:32 Gunther says, "GIMME" [lounge]|12:32 lpsmith is perhaps sponsored by a local bakery called, for some reason, "Beeth Oven" [lounge]|12:32 lpsmith wave! [nameless]|12:33 * lpsmith has joined the channel. [ludumdare]|12:33 * lpsmith has joined the channel. [ludumdare]|12:33 * Alex has joined the channel. [lounge]|12:34 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi lps" [overheard]|12:38 mamster says, "I found a funny shopping/to-do list" [overheard]|12:38 mamster says, "Well, funny/sad" [overheard]|12:38 ghira says, "when I was at university I overheard someone saying on the phone "It's almost the end of my final year and I don't have a husband or a career yet!"" [overheard]|12:39 mamster says, "Nice." [overheard]|12:39 mamster says, "Okay, here's the list. I found it on the bus." [overheard]|12:39 mamster | Pills [overheard]|12:39 mamster | ranitidine [overheard]|12:39 mamster | my ear [overheard]|12:39 mamster | tailbone [overheard]|12:39 mamster | breathers [overheard]|12:40 mamster | hormone tab [overheard]|12:40 mamster asks, "It all sort of makes sense, except...tailbone?" [overheard]|12:40 Gunther says, "didn't know how to spell coccyx" [overheard]|12:41 mamster says, "Also, it's not clear whether Pills is the title of the list or the first entry" [overheard]|12:41 mamster says, "This is why typography is so important" [overheard]|12:41 Gunther asks, "also, if it's "my ear", whose tailbone is it?" [overheard]|12:41 mamster says, "I don't know my ear from my tailbone" [English]|12:42 Doug asks, "what is the inverse role of "manager"? "managed"? "managee"? "report"?" [English]|12:42 Gunther says, "sufferer" [English]|12:42 Doug says, "minion" [English]|12:44 ghira asks, "underling?" [English]|12:48 Gunther says, "employee" [English]|12:48 Gunther says, "staffer" [English]|12:48 ghira asks, "well "employee" is of the company in general not specifically of that manager, surely?" [English]|12:49 ghira says, "I have heard "direct report" for people immediately under a manager, but I don't think i've heard "report" to mean person any number of levels below a given manager" [English]|12:49 zarf says, "'reports under transitive closure'" [lounge]|12:49 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes. [drwho]|12:49 olethros says, "ok, time for my first colin baker episode: the twin dilemma" [drwho]|12:50 olethros says, "(the caves of androzani probably does not count)" [English]|12:50 ghira says, "after some resignations, sackings and reorganizations I am now 3 levels below the MD rather than 5 as I was a few weeks ago" [English]|12:50 ghira says, "given that we have about 200 employees, it's pretty silly that it was even possible for me to be 5 levels below the MD" [drwho]|12:50 ghira says, "ow the twin dilemma" [drwho]|12:50 olethros says, "(next: the mark of the rani and trial of a timelord)" [dreamhost]|12:51 mamster says, "Well, all of my sites have been down for at least two days." [dreamhost]|12:51 mamster asks, "This makes me want to move my shit elsewhere...but is elsewhere really any better?" [drwho]|12:51 olethros asks, "ow? not mmm ?" [dreamhost]|12:51 zarf says, "Yes. Dreamhost is low-rent." [dreamhost]|12:52 zarf says, "although I have had good luck with it" [dreamhost]|12:52 mamster says, "Sure, I understand." [dreamhost]|12:52 mamster asks, "What should I look for in a new home and how much should I expect to pay?" [dreamhost]|12:52 mamster says, "Presumably $8/month for unlimited everything doesn't give me the right to complain." [overheard]|12:53 Roger says, "Obviously it's a list of potential band names" [overheard]|12:53 mamster says, "Ah, of course." [overheard]|12:53 mamster says, "I bet there are several bands called Tailbone" [dreamhost]|12:53 zarf says, "I have eblong and zarfhome on pair.com for $15/month" [dreamhost]|12:53 mamster says, "I've heard of that. I'll take a look." [overheard]|12:54 Roger says, "Coccyx sounds like a heavy-metal cover band" [overheard]|12:54 mamster says, "Totally!" [exercise]|12:54 Roger says, "Hrm I wonder if I should donate blood today. Probably." [lounge]|12:54 josh_g is protected by public incredulity. [lounge]|12:54 josh_g says, "hi" [drwho]|12:55 markm says, "I... I... I..." [English]|12:57 Doug asks, "MD = Main Dude?" [lounge]|12:57 Rob comes right on in. Recapped 293 of 3090 lines from recent channels. Current time: Thursday, 3 May 2012, 12:57:14 PM EDT There is one new message on #sci/med/health/exercise. Rob says, "blarf" [drwho] ghira says, "the twin dilemma is not one of my favourite episodes" Recapping 7 of 7 lines from media/tv/drwho: [drwho]/001 olethros says, "ok, time for my first colin baker episode: the twin dilemma" [drwho]/002 olethros says, "(the caves of androzani probably does not count)" [drwho]/003 ghira says, "ow the twin dilemma" [drwho]/004 olethros says, "(next: the mark of the rani and trial of a timelord)" [drwho]/005 olethros asks, "ow? not mmm ?" [drwho]/006 markm says, "I... I... I..." [drwho]/007 ghira says, "the twin dilemma is not one of my favourite episodes" Recapped 7 of 7 lines from media/tv/drwho. [drwho] baf says, "The Twin Dilemma is one of those episodes where I find it difficult to remember which one it is because the title has very little to do with the actual story." [drwho] Rob says, "you strain to want to like it but eventually realize it's dull and mediocre, though the scenes of the doctor being nutty are interesting in their own way" [drwho] baf says, "I suspect that Let's Kill Hitler will be in the same category after a few years" [drwho] Rob says, "but there are twins in The Twin Dilemma" [drwho] ghira asks, "isn't it the one with block transfer computations and "let's play equations"?" [drwho] markm says, "That's logopolis" [drwho] baf says, "And hitler makes a brief appearance in Let's Kill Hitler." [drwho] Rob says, "Let's Kill Hitler moved very rapidly, as if to distract you from the fact that its story was kind of a letdown after the title had been such an excellent tease" [drwho] ghira says (to markm), "for BTC yes but I'm pretty sure "let's play equations" is from something else" [drwho] Rob asks, "weren't block transfer computations the thing from Logopolis?" [drwho] ghira says, "yeah could be" [drwho] Roger says, "Now I kinda have a hankering for Dr Who covers done in Golden Age comic styles" [drwho] baf says, "I didn't say the story had *nothing* to do with the title." [drwho] Rob says, "but yeah mathy kids wanting to play" [drwho] Roger says, "Including the special issue in which The Doctor dies on every page" [ShouldHaveSaid] * Rob has joined the channel. #misc/ShouldHaveSaid: How could you have missed that opportunity to say something really clever? Created: 02-May-12 16:05:04 Last message: 02-May-12 18:40:10 Users: Alex Auda Gunther inky Johnny josh_g lpsmith markm Psmith Rob vimes Also: (+Jota) (Olly) There are no new messages on #misc/ShouldHaveSaid. [ShouldHaveSaid] Rob says, "where's the #shouldve alias" Recapping 16 of 16 lines from misc/ShouldHaveSaid: [ShouldHaveSaid]/001 * Jota has changed the topic to: How could you have missed that opportunity to say something really clever? [ShouldHaveSaid]/002 * inky has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/003 * Alex has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/004 * Gunther has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/005 * vimes has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/006 * josh_g has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/007 josh_g says, "why does this channel have nothing in recap? you all should have said something" [ShouldHaveSaid]/008 * Psmith has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/009 * Auda has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/010 * Olly has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/011 Olly says, "#espritdelescalier" [ShouldHaveSaid]/012 * markm has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/013 * Johnny has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/014 * lpsmith has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/015 * Rob has joined the channel. [ShouldHaveSaid]/016 Rob says, "where's the #shouldve alias" Recapped 16 of 16 lines from misc/ShouldHaveSaid. [ShouldHaveSaid] markm says, "#shouldof" [ShouldHaveSaid] markm kills self. [ShouldHaveSaid] Rob says, "yarr" [ShouldHaveSaid] * markm has added the synonym #misc/shouldvesaid to the channel. Type "help quote" for details on the quotation system. [English] Richie says, "In my first job the company had about 60 employees and I had 4 layers of management above me." [weblogs] baf says, "Hm." [English] Richie says, "I think possibly that goes a long way to explaining why that wasn't a successful startup" [English] Rob says, "what was it in the business of doing" Quotations: Roger (quoted by olethros, 02-May-12): [diet] Roger says, "Whoops let my carbs drift a bit high last night I think" [diet] olethros says, "we know what you mean, roger" [diet] Roger says, "That's good! Also yay cheese." [Cheese-sux] Roger says, "Latest regretsy" vimes (quoted by McMartin, 02-May-12): [twitter] DorianX asks, "is twitter broken?" [twitter] vimes asks, "inherently, or right now?" [English] Rob says, "besides providing jobs to managers" [weblogs] baf says, "I've received a request to make it possible to arrange my block posts on the page in chronological order, rathre than reverse chronological order as is the norm for Wordpress." marc says, "home" marc goes home. marc has disconnected. [weblogs] mamster says, "Hmm." [weblogs] mamster says, "That seems like a real nichey request." [weblogs] mamster asks, "Obviously there's a way to do it, but is it worth your time?" Rob says, "the doctor who sliced my ear open this time sent me home with something called a Glasscock ear protector" Rob says, "I wasn't able to titter about it at the time so I'm sharing this now" inky says, ""it's for your ear," she clarified" Rob says, "it was funny hearing him yell to his nurses, 'hey, do you have the glasscock? where's the glasscock'" Rob says, "I understand there is also a high end expensive dildo called the same thing" [drwho] olethros says, "is peter moffatt related to the current moffatt" Rob says, "I see from googling it that it is actually the Glasscock(TM) ear dressing kit" [drwho] Rob says, "I don't think so" [drwho] Rob says, "because they're spelled differently I think, and also just because they aren't" [drwho] Rob says, "the current one has only one t" Rob says, "if this is some inventor's last name, one wonders how the name came to be" Rob says, "I was also prescribed an overkill antibiotic that I looked up while I was waiting for the prescription to be filled" Rob says, "and it was a hundred pages of people describing explosive black diarrhea that lasted for weeks to months" I'm the best at space! Rob says, "and I'm thinking uh hm maybe I can ask for something else" [nameless] * Sargent has joined the channel. Rob says, "experiencing that would be way worse than this ear thing" [ShouldHaveSaid] * Sargent has joined the channel. [ludumdare] * Sargent has joined the channel. Sargent sees other fans as the great throbbing opportunities they are. Sargent says, "Good afternoon" Rob says, "sarge-o" Rob says, "how are things in the helicopter laser biz" zarf says, "hey sargent" Johnny says, "Hi Sarge" Sargent says, "So far so whirly" baf says, "-cock as a suffix on surnames is non unknown. consider Babcock and Hitchcock." Rob says, "apparently this antibiotic has a chance of letting a bacterium called C. Difficile run amok" Rob says, "I'm assuming some nicer bacteria in your digestive tract normally keeps this guy in check" Rob says (to baf), "hmm yeah" Rob says, "Hancock" josh_g says (to Rob), "yeah, this is the problem with antibacterial treatments in general" Rob says, "I was just on a much milder one for five days and I wasn't real happy with taking it (though no side effects happened, thankfully)" josh_g says, "which is why they should be reserved for when you really need to get rid of some nasty bacteria, not just when you're eg. washing your hands" Rob says, "yeah the thing is he's prescribing something normally given to people with, e.g., tooth abscesses" josh_g says, "also related is, if you're prescribed 5 days of antibiotic, don't skip the last day even if you're feeling better" Rob says, "whereas he's looking at my ear and saying 'hm, looks a little flushed, let me give you this potent diarrhea inducer'" lpsmith says, "And a glasscock." josh_g says, "because often this just clears the field for the nasty bacteria to come back with a vengeance" Rob says, "even the pharmacist noted the dosage and frequency and said, 'huh, 3 of them 4 times a day for 10 days? that sounds like overkill to me. bad tooth?' and I said nope, just my ear, and he got this really skeptical look on his face" [simpsons] * Johnny has joined the channel. [simpsons] Johnny | Teacher: This is a great day for me. I thought I could never teach again! [simpsons] Johnny | Skinner: Oh, things have changed. There will be no mockery of your name, Mr. Glascock. Rob says, "so now I'm wondering how much protect-my-own-body-against-doctor's-orders I'm willing to dare" Rob says, "it's possible my ear actually could get infected in some bad way if I don't take any kind of antibiotic right now" josh_g says, "well, either take it or don't" josh_g says, "don't do it halfway" Rob says, "right" inky says, "hmm" Rob says, "also, interestingly, the pharmacy said 'gee actually we don't have enough pills for you right now'" lpsmith says, "It'd be reasonable to call back the ear doctor and talk to him more." Rob says, "giving me time to think about it" Rob says, "I was going to possibly see him tomorrow for a glance at how it's going anywya" ghira whispers, "well. another da vinci thing. anatomical drawings. from tomorrow until the 7th of October. http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/exhibitions/leonardo-da-vinci-anatomist " You whisper "hmmm" to ghira. You whisper "ok thanks" to ghira. inky asks, "doctor, will I ever be able to wiggle my ears again?" Rob tries Rob says, "apparently still good to go" inky says, "hooray" [videogames] K-Y says, "I am reading an HVAC technician handbook" [videogames] K-Y says, "here is a section about safety precautions when crawling through ventilation ducts" ghira whispers, "this isn't so much a prod as an "oh, there's this"" You whisper "a friend of mine got a film I helped produce into an edinburgh film festival the week after the brighton meet" to ghira. [videogames] josh_g says, ""Remember to use your mister every 10 ft to test for laser tripwires"" ghira whispers, "oh. well." You whisper "it remains to be seen whether I have the means to go, but it does mean there's 2 reasons to go now" to ghira. ghira whispers, "so potentially you could try to plan a da vinci / brighton / edinburgh visit?" You whisper "yeeees potentially" to ghira. You whisper "I don't want to induce false hopes for the fifth time here but this is the current situation" to ghira. olethros asks, "hm, does he get kickbacks from the company that makes it?" ghira whispers, "be warned that we are in Sicily from 25th to 29th of May. short enough that the Mi can cope on her own." [videogames] baf says, "When crawling through ventilation ducts, equip your crowbar to save on ammo." Rob says, "I don't think so" You whisper "ok" to ghira. [videogames] K-Y | _Always_ let someone know when you are entering the duct and inform them when you are out again. They should be instructed to look for you if you do not report back within a reasonable amount of time. ghira whispers, "though no doubt we could leave you alone here with her since that was part of the possible plan for september" You whisper "when are the olympics? which I am keen to avoid I should mention" to ghira. [videogames] K-Y says, "Solid Snake has been doing this completely wrong" ghira whispers, "but if you plan to arrive while we are away that might be tricky" [videogames] josh_g says, "'Ah, geez, it's been three hours. Time to go fish out another headcrab victim'" You whisper "nah, I wouldn't plan to arrive when you're away" to ghira. ghira whispers, "uh. start 27th of july it seems" olethros asks, "is there a chance of the infection getting much worse?" ghira whispers, "and end.. uh.. early september?" You whisper "oh ok" to ghira. Rob says, "it's not entirely clear that there is an infection" Rob says, "a culture taken last saturday showed nothing" josh_g says, "that's weird" Rob says, "it's possible something has developed since then" [drwho] olethros says, "Appendix: Technical summary" olethros says, "ah, ok" Rob says, "which is another reason why I'm being hard skeptical about starting this regimen" olethros says, "so fuck it" josh_g says, "whether he gets direct kickbacks or not, doctors often get pressured from multiple sides to prescribe a fix" Rob says, ":)" ghira whispers, "well, whatever. let us know." You whisper "yes will do" to ghira. josh_g says, "including from patients who expect it, I suspect (but I'm kind of guessing)" Rob says, "I think my ear is feeling a little tender because it's been poked and sliced and poked and sliced and poked and sliced in the course of less than a week" olethros says, "if they did a culture, they could prescribe targeted antibioitic should they find anthing" Rob says (to olethros), "right !" olethros asks, "why sliced?" Rob says, "after draining it with a needle didn't work they tried lancing it open with a scalpel" Rob says, "well, it worked, but filled up again" Rob says, "and that was fine, except my ear healed incredibly fast and the slice sealed shut and it filled up again" Rob says, "it's still unknown why it is continuing to bleed. this current doctor is guessing it's because there's an infection" Rob says, "but he's just guessing, and then overprescribing a blind guess" olethros says, "if the tests show nothing, then how can it be ..." olethros says, "did you go to a hospital" Rob says, "yeah. first two visits to an emergency room, third and fourth visit to a plastic surgeon, for some reason" Rob says, "he had an electrical engineering bachelor's degree on his wall in addition to all his medical diplomas" Conclusion: My conclusion is large apples. The chief argument it employs is "O NO YOU ARE BEING ATTACKED BY MONSTER PEOPLE", which is kind of dismissive. Rob says, "which I thought was interesting" Rob says, "also, yeah, I actually read the diplomas on the walls of doctors offices" [ShouldHaveSaid] * Fang has joined the channel. olethros says, "MAKING BETTER HUMANS" Rob says, "so the first culture was from tuesday, possibly by tomorrow morning there will be the culture results from tuesday" Rob says, "then next week there will be the culture results from today" inky says, "Mr Wheeler, you're so cultured" Rob says, "I eat greek yogurt once a day, but it hasn't migrated to my ear" Rob says, "I also got a prescription for vicodin, but I'm not sure I feel like taking that, either" yea why try her raw wet hat two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens. [grubshack] inky | shallots, the onion.s sexier little cousins, are at once milder and more distinct in flavor. Rob says, "meanwhile, it's cost $540 so far for all these visits, and that's without my insurance company saying 'oh ha ha you have to pay a lot more than that, because we're not giving you any coverage' as I expect them to" olethros says, "if it does migrate to your ear, then you'll have a sudden urge to listen to rebetiko" [grubshack] Rob says, "hee" [grubshack] olethros says, "it is a lie that they are milder" Rob says, "I look forward to that" [grubshack] olethros says, "red onions are milder" [grubshack] Rob says, "I think I always confused shallots with scallops" [grubshack] two-star says, "Watch out for that Lady of Shallot." marc in the land of the lounge lizards. [grubshack] Rob says, "I like onions" [grubshack] Rob says, "I like what they add when you add them to stuff" Black lightning pierces your mind for an instant. Jota arrives from the east. Jota greets. [grubshack] Rob says, "maybe some kind of umami magic" Rob greets Jota. [etiquette] inky | This is an explanation for some mysteriously severed connections. But there are many other alternatives, and you present a compelling and likely more common one: being a giant doofus. [grubshack] olethros says, "I add onions, garlic and shallots" [grubshack] zarf says, "plus they make your kitchen smell like onion when you cook them" [grubshack] Rob asks (of olethros), "to everything?" [angst] genericgeekgirl says, "It's been almost a month, and I'm still crying a ton. I really need to find a distraction." [grubshack] olethros says (to rob), "to my morning coffee" [etiquette] two-star says, "Yeah, that's usually been the one for me." [angst] Rob says, "aw" [angst] Rob asks, "what happened a month ago? breakup?" [grubshack] olethros says, "sometimes I add only onion or garlic" [angst] two-star exclaims, "Angry Birds!" [grubshack] Rob pauses to consider: joke? not joke? [grubshack] olethros says, "ot" [grubshack] olethros says, "it is greek coffee!" [grubshack] Rob asks, "really?" [apropos-of-nothing] baf | A seven-year study of a population of free-ranging peacocks, conducted in Japan, came to the conclusion that female peahens are virtually indifferent towards the male display of plumage. [grubshack] Rob pauses again [angst] genericgeekgirl says, "Yeah. cyberskunk decided somewhat randomly that he's no longer speaking to me." [grubshack] olethros says, "I add it to all casseroles" [apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "how can that be" [apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "what's the point otherwise" [apropos-of-nothing] Rob asks, "just guys showin' off for each other?" [angst] Bishop says, "Aw. Sorry to hear it." [apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "or did they evolve to make humans go oooh" [apropos-of-nothing] baf says, "Perhaps the peahens are jaded." [grubshack] Rob says, "remind me to visit you for dinner someday" [angst] inky asks, "didn't you guys break up? or did he stop speaking first and break up second?" [angst] genericgeekgirl asks, "I mean, seriously. Who the hell does that?" [gardening] Bishop asks, "Mmm. Thinking of eradicating my lawn and replacing it with creeping thyme. Is this nuts?" [angst] Rob says, "people who feel selfishly awkward" [grubshack] olethros says, "just ring ahead" [apropos-of-nothing] baf says, "Like, an impressive plumage display used to be a big deal but it's just not special when you can get it from anyone, anytime you want." [angst] Rob says, "or are just not nice people" [angst] Bishop says (to genericgeekgirl), "People are weird. And sometimes very badly behaved for reasons not clear to anyone on the outside of their head." [grubshack] Rob says, "where are you now" [angst] zarf says, "I can speak for the selfishly awkward crowd" [grubshack] olethros says, "switzerland ... for now!" [angst] zarf says, "not much to say, of course" [angst] inky says, "ha ha" [angst] Rob says, "well so you get a whole season or two of some tv show and watch it all while eating whatever" [angst] genericgeekgirl says, "Yeah, we broke up, but have been sort of on-and-off relationshipy/close friends. We'd scheduled a visit for Memorial Day. And then I went to Belgium and came back and.. he'd decided he didn't want me in his life anymore." [angst] zarf says, "(sorry to hear about this mess)" [angst] Rob says, "it doesn't really cure the depression but you can ride it out for a while that way" [angst] inky says, "well" [angst] inky says, "if you've broken up you don't really have the right to control how much he talks to you" [angst] two-star says, "A long time ago my best friend just stopped speaking to me, and it sucked so much." [money] Allen | What officers thought was a counterfeit $50 bill turned out to be an old, legitimate bill, but the truth wasn't discovered until a man was mistakenly charged and jailed Friday. [angst] Bishop says, "Eep. Well, hope Belgium was fun at least." [angst] Rob says, "maybe he cheated on you when you were in belgium and it's a guilt-based-ignoring-you thing" [money] olethros asks, "jailed for a $50?" [money] inky says, "hunh" [angst] Rob says, "yeah, also, you went to Belgium? cool" [angst] genericgeekgirl says (to inky), "Of course not. But it's a bit harsh to just cut someone out of your life, period." [money] inky asks, "so people have already forgotten what the old bills looked like?" [money] olethros says, "even if it _was_ fake, maybe he was a victim" [money] Allen says, "people thought he was passing counterfeit" [money] Rob says, "and strip searched" [money] Rob says, "how do you even get fifties these days" [money] Sargent says, "man, wait until they see the old $2 bill at a Taco Bell or something." [money] Rob asks, "who's on the fifty? Grant?" [money] olethros says, "by cavity searches" [angst] inky says, "I have cut people out of my life after breaking up with them because interacting with them was too painful" [money] Allen | Horner took the bill to two banks, where it was determined as "real but very old" at one and proven real by a black light and magnifying glass at another. [angst] genericgeekgirl says (to Rob), "Well, it wouldn't have been cheating at that point. And it's extremely unlikely for various reasons. And yeah. Belgium was pretty awesome." [angst] two-star says, "But it was totally mostly because I am an emotional cripple that it happened, so I can't totally blame her." [angst] inky says, "my main regret was not doing it sooner, because we eventually got back to having a more or less normal relationship" [money] Allen says, "wish the article said how old it was" [angst] inky says, "and I am pretty sure that would never have happened without the 100% cutoff" [angst] two-star says, "(Not that I am suggesting that ggg or anyone other than myself is also an emotional cripple! Sorry.)" [money] Allen | A judicial commissioner had Gaspar released from jail and Horner apologized for the arrest, the report said. Gaspar was told by Horner to take the bill to a bank and have it exchanged for a newer one. [angst] genericgeekgirl asks, "How does a "normal" relationship come out of not speaking to someone for a period of time?" [angst] Rob says, "when you both are on the same chatroom la la la" [money] ghira asks, "are old bills still legal tender?" [money] Rob says, "yes" [angst] genericgeekgirl asks, "I mean, I get the time to cool down and such. But how do you reestablish contact. And why?" [money] ghira says, "I think here there's a time limit after which you're supposed to go to a bank but I'm not sure" [money] Rob says, "this might have to do with 'this bill is legal tender for all debts, public and private' being printed right on it" [angst] baf says, "What's more normal than not speaking to someone? Most people in the world, I've never spoken to at all." [angst] genericgeekgirl says, "Haha" [money] Allen says, "old bills and coins are all legal tender in the US" [money] Rob says, "even the venerable wheat penny" [money] Allen says, "all of them. Except the 1870s trade dollars" [money] Rob says, "what about ha'pennies" [money] Rob says, "and confederate currency" [money] baf asks, "Has the US ever had ha'pennies?" [money] Allen says, "confederate currency isn't US currency" [money] Allen says (to baf), "yes, until 1857" [money] ghira says, "hmm http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/Pages/about/faqs.aspx#12 " [money] Rob says, "that'd be interesting if southern states started passing bills to make confederate dollars legal again or something" [money] Rob says, "yeah yeah" [money] Allen says, "they were discontinued because the cost to make them went up, and they weren't worth much" [money] Allen says, "the cost of the half-penny was so valueless it was about equivalent to today's quarter" [money] Rob says, "there used to be these ads in old comics where you could buy a swag bag of old confederate money like it was play money" [angst] inky says (to genericgeekgirl), "well, if he's the one who cut off contact, then it seems like it's mostly on him to re-establish it" [money] baf says, "Well, I suppose they're probably still legal tender, then. Although you'd be a fool to spend them for a half cent each." [money] Allen says, "anyway, the trade dollars aren't legal tender because they weren't supposed to be spent in the US" [money] ghira says, "three months notice in the UK seems pretty brief" [money] Rob says, "it's great that ifmud has a numismatist" [money] Rob says, "it has one of every kind of strange expert" [money] markm says, "Allen is more of an oldmismatist." [money] Bishop says (to Rob), "And about 3/4 of them are Allen." [angst] inky says, "but presumably you can send him a note in six months or a year saying hi" [money] Rob says, "which is again why it is the best chat group ever" [money] (from ghira) annabianca says, "including, one day, a squirrel specialist" [angst] genericgeekgirl asks, "Yeah. I was asking more about your experience, or in general. Like, if you've made that step, why would you ever bother or want to?" [tangent] markm says, "SQUIRREL!" [angst] inky says, "well, I mean, I still liked the person -- that was why I'd had to cut off contact in the first place" [tangent] ghira says, "also, hedgehog expert" [angst] Rob says, "well, friendship came first, then relationship, then... hey, how about" [angst] genericgeekgirl says, "Hm." [angst] inky says, "but I had to do some work to establish my own boundaries again" [tangent] markm says, "heh" [angst] genericgeekgirl says, "Right now it just feels like he hates me." [angst] inky says, "I dated a couple other people" [angst] Rob says, "and now you're all fianceed and tricked out" [angst] inky says, "changed my hobbies a bit" [angst] Rob says, "hobbies? hmm" [angst] ghira says, "nascar" [angst] inky says, "nascar, yeah, so what I'm tricked out with is valvoline patches" [angst] ghira says, "(not sure what it is but apparently it's an amusingly poor fit for various people, probably including inky)" [angst] inky says, "ha ha" [angst] inky says, "nascar is car racing" [angst] Sargent says, "Miseri watches cars race that inky wouldn't even glance at" [health] Roger says, "Blood: now outside of me" [angst] inky says, "it's traditionally a lower class and/or southern sport" [angst] Rob says, "screw stamp collecting, he said, tossing postal appareil out his kitchen window like richard dreyfuss in close encounters" [health] Roger says, "bp is 110/73 which I guess is good" [angst] ghira says, "there was something about nascar having a day of mourning when some philosopher I'd never heard of died" [videogames] Gunther says (to K-Y), "#belated eh? Snake's been calling people every 15 seconds" [angst] inky says, "although as I recall zarf is into it" [angst] Rob says, "actually I guess he tossed stuff into his kitchen window" [angst] zarf asks, "nascar? what?" [angst] Alex says (to zarf), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that nascar is discussed on misc/sports/nascar." [angst] zarf says, "I once watched a couple of Formula One races" [angst] two-star says, "Yeah, boundaries with exes are a funny thing. Every once in a while L and I declare a cuddle amnesty, which probably isn't great for the whole "moving on" thing, but it's kind of nice." [angst] ghira says, "so I had to have this explained to me.. thing I know nothing about juxtaposes amusingly with famous person I've never heard of. i see." [angst] inky says (to ghira), "ha ha" [videogames] Gunther says, "also, the May Hurray bundle. Really." [angst] Rob says, "nascar and philosopher? wha" [angst] inky says, "I feel like that happens a lot to you" [angst] ghira says (to inky), "well, rob has the "never having heard of foodstuffs" gig locked up tight. I make do with what's left." [angst] Rob says, "my brother used to videotape car races so that he could watch them later, hours of guys going around in circles, but he really wanted to watch every minute of it later on" [finance] Bishop says, "Mint has decided my mortgage exists again. Oh well, it was nice to have a particularly high net worth for a little while there." [videogames] baf exclaims, "Ooh, brainpipe!" [angst] Rob says, "I couldn't grok it in the slightest" [angst] Rob says (to ghira), "ha ha" [angst] inky says, "well, by "philosopher" they mean "Dale Earnhardt"" Quotations: Rob (quoted by olethros, 03-May-12): Rob says, "I eat greek yogurt once a day, but it hasn't migrated to my ear" [angst] Sargent says, "in the racing philosophers problem, you have to cooperate on using shared pit crews" [angst] zarf says, "honestly the best part of the Formula One races were the cars flipping over and smashing apart" Quote added to ghira's quotebook. [angst] ghira says, "I don't recall the profession of the person I hadn't heard of, indeed." [angst] zarf says, "which was surprisingly safe for the drivers, I note" [angst] ghira says, "philosopher? squirrel specialist? costermonger? one loses track." [angst] Rob says, "I didn't even watch the tom cruise or will farrell movies about racing cars" [angst] Rob says, "or Cars 2 for that matter" [angst] Sargent says, "race car construction is surprisingly well optimized for driver protection" [angst] Rob says, "what's a costermonger? or a coster" [angst] baf says, "I saw a film with a car in it." [angst] Rob asks, "is it a foodstuff I haven't heard of?" [angst] zarf says, "an apple, as I recall" [angst] Rob says, "they've had those since 1908" [angst] inky says, "I thought in 1908 it was a horse" [angst] two-star says, "inky mongers foodstuffs that misery wouldn't even... I got nothin'." [angst] ghira says (to rob), "someone who sells fruit and vegetables" [angst] Rob says, "the best anecdote about race car driving or being a racecar driver I've heard was from this bloke who was interviewed in the martin scorsese documentary about george harrison" [angst] ghira says, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costermonger of course" [angst] Rob says, "he's a british race car driver, or was" [angst] Roger exclaims (at Rob), "Oh yeah, I remember that!" [angst] Rob says, "he described how going nearly 200mph or whatever just puts you in an incredibly heightened state of awareness" [angst] Rob says, "that he was barrelling along a straightaway and thought he smelled grass" [angst] zarf says, "anyway, costermongering aside, I am something of a an old hand at never speaking to people again, and I can say that it's always about me, not about them" [begood] Ellison says, "now zarf communicates by iOS apps" [angst] Rob says, "so he eased up and when he rounded the turn far up ahead a guy had skidded off the track and onto the grass, and he avoided an accident because he had that microsecond of sense notice, but he must have been picking up on one or two molecules out of a million billion" [begood] Ellison says, "er" [angst] inky says, "wow" [angst] Rob says, "yeah, pretty cool when described like that" [angst] Rob says, "he was trying to describe how he related to george harrison being into all sorts of higher forms of consciousness in a sort of religiousy way" [videogames] K-Y says (to Gunther), "I assume one of those calls involves somebody informing you that you can hide from people inside vents but it won't work if you are seen while entering" [angst] Rob says, "I still don't want to do it myself" [angst] inky says, "normally the worst thing that can happen when trying to achieve a higher form of consciousness is you get leg cramps" [angst] Rob says, "the second anecdote of a similar nature came from cameron diaz being interviewed on Top Gear about her interest in racing cars on tracks in an amateur way" [angst] Rob says, "hee hee" [angst] olethros says, "just driving fast is not enough - driving fast in the mountains is awesome though" [names] inky | Aniruddha Pimpalkhare [angst] olethros says (to inky), "yay" [angst] Rob says, "she was being coached what to do by an expert, and she asked him how close she should press it in terms of getting close to the car in front of her" [angst] Rob says, "and he made sort of an inch-space gesture with his thumb and finger" [angst] Rob says, "'which opened up a whole new world of self-expression for me' said ms. diaz" [angst] olethros says, "8O" [angst] inky says, "hmm" [politics] Allen | Killing Of Osama Bin Laden As The 'Most Important' Day Of His Presidency [angst] olethros says, "(that's cameron diaz, wide-eyed and open-mouthed)" [names] Rob says, "there should be a pimple care medication called Anirudda" [politics] Rob says, "did he just say that? hmm" [politics] inky says, "but for me, it was tuesday" [politics] inky says, "also, it seems like a mis-step to make it into a bigger deal than it was" [politics] inky says, "given that it didn't, like, solve terrorism" [politics] Rob says, "it is funny watching republicans get all bunched up and snitty because they're jealous because they can't offer a counter-punch to 'obama killed osama' and they didn't get to brag about it for one of their own party members" [politics] Rob says, "because that's totally what it looks like they're acting out" [Skyrim] katre says, "!!!" [Skyrim] katre says, "okay, gotta finish my degree before they release this" [Skyrim] katre | http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/05/elder-scrolls-online [politics] Rob says, "yeah I wouldn't overplay it. in fact, I'd like to be glad he's dead and forget it and him" [politics] Rob says, "but whatever" [politics] Allen asks, "who's he gonna kill in his second term, to top it?" [politics] olethros says, "just wait until you guys are out of afghanistan" [politics] olethros says (to allen), "hitler" [politics] Rob says, "only the drone strikers know for sure" [politics] inky says, "Romney" [Skyrim] inky says, "hrm" [politics] Rob says, "there was an interesting wired article on how the drones are remotely controlled on two continents" [Skyrim] inky says, "I can't decide if people would be into this or not" [Skyrim] Rob says, "hmm" [Skyrim] Rob says, "I wonder if my brother and I could get into something like that together" [Skyrim] inky says, "like part of what people like about elder scrolls games is you can kind of bop around on your own and build unbalancing stuff if you feel like it" [Skyrim] inky says, "it seems like" [politics] Roger says, "Hmmm that'd be a good political cartoon" [Skyrim] inky says, "and I would think they'd have to limit that in an MMO" [politics] Roger says, "Draft list of 'most important day' choices for Obama" [Skyrim] katre says, "I just like the wandering and general randomness" [Skyrim] Rob says, "we're doing a regular weekly game night of online multiplayer stuff, and we're always kind of looking out for something new that we could play" [politics] Roger says, "Closing Quantanamo Bay (crossed out)" [politics] olethros says, "ha ha]" [Skyrim] Rob says, "because the pickings feel sometimes slim" [music] Sargent says (to katre), "thanks for reminding me about JBE" [politics] Roger says, "Passed Obamacare (crossed out)" [politics] olethros says, "ha ha ha" [music] katre says, "you're welcome" [Skyrim] Rob says, "in terms of meeting all the requirements of what we're both into and what platforms we can run on" [Skyrim] Rob says, "but finally we have this brotherly meet-up every week which is doing us both good" [news] olethros | Japan has 54 nuclear reactors, but as of Saturday, not one of them will be in operation [politics] Roger says, "Anyway that was fun" [wtf] ghira says, "AB is spreading nutella on new york cheesecake" [politics] Rob says (to Roger), "yeah, I was about to make a snarky comment about that, glad you came up with a better one" [pedant] inky says, "Quantanamo Bay is where they keep all the tiny prisoners" [pedant] Roger says, "Haha" [wtf] olethros says, "I was thinking of doing something similar" [politics] Rob says, "er, that was for the Gitmo, but heh for the obamacare too" [wtf] olethros says, "maple syrup on cottage cheese spread" [politics] Rob says, "although he made his own joke about that during the correspondents dinner" Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven. Conclusion: My conclusion is large apples. [wtf] Rob says, "wtf" [news] inky says, "weird" [wtf] Rob says, "also where'd you get new york cheesecake from" [news] inky asks, "are they doing a big safety checkup or something?" [news] olethros says, " http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/may/03/japan-nuclear-power-closure " [wtf] Rob says, "mm maple syrup" [news] olethros says, "nope. Shutdown." [news] Rob says, "whoa whuh" [news] Rob asks, "where's their electricity coming from?" [news] olethros asks, "zeus?" [news] Rob says, "how will they cook their noodles" [news] Roger says, "Coal I would guess" [news] Rob asks, "where do they get coal from?" [diet] Roger says, "Decided a cheat meal was called for after blood donation" [news] olethros says (to rob), "anthracised remains of people dead from core meltdown" [news] inky says, "it says they're increasing their imports of natural gas" Hugo beams into the lounge, violently brandishing a violet whisk. (On sale now at Ikea.) [music] olethros says, "speaking of which" [wtf] markm asks, "also, how do you spread nutella on something with a substance like cheesecake?" [wtf] markm says, "you'd have to spray it on or something." [wtf] katre says, "very carefully" [wtf] olethros says, "you must be pretty determined" [news] Roger says, "They should craigslist that stuff" [music] olethros says, "Anthrax and Motorhead are playing here ina couple of mounts" [wtf] Roger says, "You could heat it up I guess" [wtf] Rob says (to markm), "that's a good question" [news] inky says, "also, to be clear, they *are* offline for safety checkups" [news] inky says, "it's just a longer-term thing" [Skyrim] Gunther says, "welll Diablo 3 drops on May 15" [Skyrim] Rob says, "hmm" Jota recaps. "Huh. Rob's ear is more complicated than I thought." [Skyrim] Rob says, "I don't really know anything about Diablo even though I've heard about it for years" [Skyrim] Rob says, "kind of like Nascar" Rob says, "it's a strange weird journey my ear has taken me on" [Skyrim] Gunther says, "you click stuff until it dies" [wtf] markm says, "Maybe in the UK 'New York Cheesecake' is what we call bagels." Rob says, "I have a metaphysical non-scientific understanding of why it's going on" [news] olethros says, "well, they won't be back updefinitely" [news] olethros | None of Japan's idle reactors will be permitted to go back online until they pass stringent "stress tests". Rob says, "s/understanding/theory I'm going with/" Jota asks, "is your ear on a voyage of self-discovering?" [news] olethros says, "and after that, they still may not go back up due to local opposition" Rob says, "no, but maybe i am" [security] olethros says, "UK MoD hackd" Rob says, "my body is trying to get rid of something, and it picked a weird way of doing it" Jota says, "Maybe it's trying to get rid of your ear." Rob says, "and it's going to keep ejecting stuff until it decides it's gotten rid of it, then it will stop" Jota says, "Perhaps the two of them had a falling out." Jota says, "Something came between them." Jota says, "Specifically, your head." Rob says, "there's also this weird thing where the more this bleeds out and is released, the more my mood has lightened and normalized" olethros says, "drain the bad spirits. Next: trepanning" Rob says, "which is partly how I derived this wacko theory" Rob says, "right" Rob says, "so it's totally not what's happening, but between you and me, this is what the deal is" Jota asks, "But how did your body know that inflating your ear would lead to phebotomy?" Jota says, "+l" Rob says, "so I'm expecting it to stop on its own. but with the caveat that if it seems chronic and I have to say ok, some broken blood vessel needs to be cauterized or this is never going to stop, then I'll find someone to do that" Rob says, "I dunno" olethros says, "the ear lobe has great predictive power" Rob says, "inflating my ear is at least attention-grabbing" Gunther says, "the ear lobe is home to 50 billion acupuncture points" Rob says, "the other part of this is that all of these doctors have expected me to report how much this swelling hurts, and it hasn't hurt at all" Rob says, "the only thing that's hurt is them stabbing and slicing and poking it" Gunther says, "omgnecrosis" [TMI] annabianca says, "what a lame cheesecake" [wtf] ghira says, "it appears that only moderate care is needed to spread nutella on new york cheesecake" Roger says, "The hottest new accessory in Hollywood is the bedazzled ear leech" Gunther says (to Rob), "anyway, between your description and Yahoo! Answers I can tell you exactly what you have:" [wtf] ghira says, "the cheesecake was from Tesco. discount Tesco new york cheesecake. the nutella was to mask the non-taste" Gunther says, "kidney stones" [wtf] ghira says, "the cardboard base is more appealing than the cake" Rob says, "I'm kind of at the point of just wanting to buy a few needles and drain it myself because the cost would be fantastically less and the result would eventually be the same" Rob asks (of Gunther), "bwah?" ghira asks, "can you get a tap / faucet installed?" The chief argument it employs is "O NO YOU ARE BEING ATTACKED BY MONSTER PEOPLE", which is kind of dismissive. Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables. [wtf] Rob says, "that ain't no new york cheesecake" [wtf] markm says, "==Rob" Rob says (to ghira), "that's sort of what happened today" Rob says, "he put what he called a 'wick' in there" [wtf] ghira says, "we realise that" Rob says, "to let it keep draining" [wtf] ghira says, "we have had much better in the past. not from Tesco." [wtf] markm says, "tesco have insulted NY for the last time!" [wtf] ghira says, "(we're a waitrose household, but sometimes we like to slum it)" [wtf] markm says, "ha ha" vimes says, "speaking from experience, don't drain it yourself" [wtf] ghira says, "there was some sketch on radio 4 about aspirational supermarket choice" [wtf] ghira says, "I shop at Aldi but one day I hope to shop at Lidl, sort of thing." vimes says, "if you know someone who is a trained nurse or doctor or even a vet, that's fine, let them do it" [wtf] Roger says, "Ha" Rob says, "but it's cost a hundred dollars every time to get someone else to drain it and if I'm sure it's going to stop on its own the same mysterious way it started then I have other options" Rob says, "but I'm not a doctor so I don't know in a way that assures me" [wtf] Roger says, "That reminds me of the classic "I like Target -- you don't have to get all dressed-up like with Wal-Mart."" Rob says, "but I am learning that all these doctors are as clueless as anyone else, including myself" Roger says, "Check the yellow pages under phlebotomists" vimes says, "(or if you do drain it yourself, make sure you get someone to tell you what cleanliness procedures you need to take)" Gunther says, ""doctor, "my dog" needs my ear drained" "why?" "kidney stones"" [wtf] ghira says, "we knew it couldn't last. she shops at Asda and he shops at Waitrose" Rob says, "a leech probably would be the best treatment at this point" [Skyrim] markm | http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/03/june-cover-revealed-the-elder-scrolls-online.aspx vimes says, "it's very easy to get yourself an unpleasant subcutaneous infection if you don't know what you're doing" Roger says, "I'd never stop watching that youtube video" Gunther says, "also, even though it's called a wick, don't light it" Rob says, "yes I wouldn't want to do that" ghira says, "pretty soon they'll try rebooting you" Rob FWOoomf vimes says, "ha ha at both gs" Rob says, "with, not at" Roger says, "Hey doc I think I have, uhh, the, erm, 'red ring of death'." vimes says, "in regards to the statements made by" [gayrights] Lionheart says, "Oh my. Sen. Brunstetter, who's behind the Amendment One bill in NC, hasn't cautioned his wife on how to talk to the press, since she said this week that her husband advocated the measure to protect the Caucasian race." [apropos-of-nothing] Gunther says, "ugh, Geohot works at Facebook? Screw him." (From vimes) vimes says, "and their funny-looking faces" Rob says, "the mood lightening each time is real, for whatever reason" [gayrights] Lionheart | The reason my husband wrote Amendment 1 was because the Caucasian race is diminishing and we need to uh, reproduce. vimes says, "you're probably getting accidental accupuncture" Gunther says, "like I said!" ghira says (to vimes), "will you be coming to the mudmeet in June? we'll take you on the train of terror and see if you laugh THEN" Rob says, "just that I'm on and chatty here today is evidence of that" vimes says, "not with that ringing invitation, i'm not" Roger says, "I think it's probably a blood sugar thing" Rob says, "also the progression of my connect messages" Rob says, "why is this train terrorising" Gunther says, "its speed" Gunther says, "its horrendous speed" ghira says, "it travels at a speed mortal man (and woman) can barely believe" [videogames] Gunther says, "what is this I dont even http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/05/03/wot-i-think-dark-scavenger " Rob says, "that sounds terrifying" ghira says, ""I cannot believe the speed at which this means of transport travels" said Gunther and Stacey, more or less." [gayrights] schep says, "so much wtf" Rob asks, "have either of them been on a japanese bullet train?" vimes says, "rather more articulate than my response, which would probably be "woah"" Gunther says, "no, but the shinkansen cannot possibly compare" ghira says, "this train strains credulity even more than a Japanese bullet train" [gayrights] Rob asks, "protect the caucasian race? from gayness?" [gayrights] Gunther says, "no" [gayrights] Gunther says, "if all the white people are gay, only the lesser races will multiply" Rob asks, "why does it go so fast?" Rob asks, "and where does it go to and from?" [gayrights] Gunther says, "thus, we must forbid them from being gay so they... uh...." ghira says (to rob), "it is a mystery" [gayrights] Gunther headsplode ghira says (to rob), "well. it, uh, goes from nowhere much to the ass-end of nowhere" [gayrights] Lionheart says, "Surprise, someone prejudiced against gays also seems to be a white supremacist." Gunther says, "it runs along Brighton Beach" ghira says (to rob), "previously it went to somewhere a few yards beyond the ass-end of nowhere but the run had to be curtailed" [gayrights] Rob says, "also, there was just a nytimes (magazine?) article associating empirical evidence to the pattern of really homophobic people being gay themselves" Gunther says (to ghira), "well, it went across the sea!" [gayrights] Lionheart says, "I read about that" vimes says, "it is a way to get you from an unspecified point A to an unspecified point B very fast, while people at point C (a place between A and B) wonder why you feel the need to keep rushing back and forth" Rob asks, "has this terrifying train ever experienced a wreck?" [gayrights] schep says, "yeah, even if you put aside the fact that the statement makes absolutely no sense, that somebody's brain neurons connected these particular phrases together is unsettling" ghira says (to rob), "there is a map here http://www.volkselectricrailway.co.uk/ " Gunther says, "I like how everyone assumes that the literally incredible speed is 'incredibly fast'" Rob says, "volks, eh? what's a german train doing in the uk" [gayrights] Lionheart says, "We all knew plenty of anecdotal examples of anti-gay public figures turned out to be supergay themselves, but now there's a study confirming the correlation" Rob says, "is it like 'this is incredibly fast for this chugging old 19th century engine to be producing'" ghira says (to rob), "if it did have a wreck, it would be 15 minutes before anyone noticed" Gunther asks (of Rob), "have you seen bullet time?" vimes says, "ha ha" Gunther says, "that's roughly ten times as fast as this train" [gayrights] Rob says (to Lionheart), "right" vimes says, "well, it's probably incredibly fast for people stuck in stasis" Gunther says (to vimes), "possibly" Rob says, "well, it's still a selling point for the Brighton meet" Gunther says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn44shCQIIo " ghira says (to rob), "in its own way, a trip on this train is memorable" [gayrights] Rob says, "although I guess it's only progressive totally-ok-with-the-gay people who have noticed this strong correlation up until now" [gayrights] Rob says, "such that it's well understood" [gayrights] Lionheart says (to schep), "I can follow the 'logic', Premise: gay marriage will cause gays to seduce straight people into gay matrimony..." ghira says (to rob), "there's also the warning system for people to get out of the way. a sound which will haunt your nightmares forever" Gunther says, "note this video is sped up 10x" vimes says, "at this point i'm going to assume the sound is inaudible" vimes says, "possibly rumbling subsonics" Roger says, "It's inaudible before the Doppler shift" [gayrights] Lionheart exclaims, "yada yada yada, profit!" ghira says (to vimes), "it's pretty feeble" Rob says, "that sounds good too" Gunther says (to vimes), "not if you're in stasis" [gayrights] Tale asks, "Interesting, you mean that these people see a danger in being gay, because they feel that temptation strongly (being in a closet they're likely to never come out of)?" vimes says, "in stasis, no one can hear you scream" Gunther says, "anyway, watching Silent Hill right after this made it like Mary Poppins in comparison" [gayrights] Tale asks, "And straight people are confused because that temptation doesn't exist?" [gayrights] Roger says, "I may seem anti-confusion but in fact I am secretly superconfused" [gayrights] Rob says, "right, because they are fighting this angry battle within themselves every day, so it becomes this vociferous out-break into the public sphere (if they're politicians already)" ghira says, "you can hear the awesome klaxon of doom about one minute in" [gayrights] Gunther says, "it's the big gay penis in their head &c" Who is this squarish, laconic new inmate, the fish ask themselves. vimes asks, "is that one real minute or one stasis minute?" [gayrights] Tale says, "I once was straight like you, but then I took a penis to the head." [gayrights] Lionheart says (to Tale), "Yeah, they feel a temptation to gayness they have to fight, so they assume real straight people do too" ghira says, "one youtube minute" vimes says, "ah, twelve real minutes" vimes says, "youtube is the new realplayer sometimes" [gayrights] Rob says, "I've figured out what my own deal is after a weird life of discovering my best friend was gay and having lots of guys make disconcerting passes at me based on assumptions that were incorrect" [gayrights] schep says, "hmmm" Storme enters. Storme says, "hi all" [ShouldHaveSaid] * Storme has joined the channel. Sargent says, "hey Storme" [gayrights] vimes says, "i hung out at a gay bar for a while, because my boss at the ISP i worked for (flamingly gay - literally, he did pornographic fire shows) needed someone to, well, put him out when he was too on fire" [gayrights] Rob says, "and having lots of women make unfortunate assumptions because they could all tell my best friend was gay" [gayrights] vimes says, "after a few weeks, the regulars kind of took it as a point of pride that i wasn't gay" [gayrights] inky says, "it turns out you are just a dude in a vest" [gayrights] Rob says, "yeah" [gayrights] schep says, "with hats" [gayrights] Lionheart says (to inky), "ha ha ha" [gayrights] Rob says, "actually, I think... hmm, should I say or not" genericgeekgirl says, "hi Storme" [gayrights] schep asks (of vimes), "as in hey, a straight person likes our hangout too?" [gayrights] (from josh_g) Rob says, "turns out I was using a gay cologne. who knew?" [gayrights] Rob says, "I could save it for my memoirs" Jota turns into a slimy toad! Thunder rumbles quietly overhead. Jota is gone. [gayrights] Lionheart says, "Do you feel like a Kinsey 1 or 2? I expect we ifMUDders would be cool with that" [gayrights] vimes says (to schep), "yeah, that's pretty much what it seemed like to me" [gayrights] Rob says, "I don't know what the kinsey scale is, although I think there is a spectrum" [people-suk] josh_g says, "we "would be cool with that"" [gayrights] Lionheart says, "Yeah, it's a scale from 0 - exclusively homo to 6 - exclusively hetero" [gayrights] Rob says, "I think I'm 1/4 off complete hetero" [gayrights] josh_g says, "anything outside of two standard deviations, though, and you're kicked off the mud" [gayrights] Lionheart says, "Er, sorry, flip that" [gayrights] Rob says, "which makes it not my preference, but gives me certain gay superpowers, like advanced gaydar and an interest in judy garland" [gayrights] Lionheart says, "0 - exclusively hetero, I mean" [gayrights] Storme says, "haha" [gayrights] josh_g says (to Rob), "ha ha ha" [gayrights] Gunther says, "I'm imagining pornographic fire shows" [gayrights] Rob says, "ok, there it is, out in the open" [gayrights] Rob says, "oh, weird --" [gayrights] Gunther says, "each idea is more gloryhole than the one before" [gayrights] Gunther says, "I mean glorious" [gayrights] Rob says, "my ear suddenly gave a leaky spurt when I typed that in and hit enter" [gayrights] vimes says (to Gunther), "you probably aren't imagining nearly enough UV-reactive lube" [gayrights] josh_g says, "quick, keep confessing your innermost secrets to complete the cure!" [gayrights] Lionheart says (to Rob), "Heh. gay superpowers. Sort of like the vegan powers of Scott Pilgrim's world." [gayrights] Gunther asks (of Rob), "hmm, is your ear leaking the gay??" [gayrights] Rob says, "but I happen to know that I only fantasize about naked women, which is why I've never thought of myself as being gay" [gayrights] schep asks, "hmm, what does the proportional graph of people per Kinsey rating actually look like?" [gayrights] Rob says, "my ear is leaking out the repression or something" [gayrights] vimes says (to schep), "a penis" [gayrights] josh_g says, "see, I don't even get why that's about being farther along on a spectrum then" [gayrights] inky | According to Kinsey, only a minority (5.10%) can be considered fully heterosexual or homosexual. Conversely, only an even smaller minority can be considered fully bisexual (with an equal attraction to both sexes). Kinsey's methods have been criticized as flawed, particularly with regard to the randomness of his sample population, which included prison inmates, male prostitutes and those who willingly participated in discussion of previously taboo sexual topics. Nevertheless, Paul Gebhard, subsequent director of the Kinsey Institute for Sex Research, reexamined the data in the Kinsey Reports and concluded that removing the prison inmates and prostitutes barely affected the results [gayrights] inky says, "er, long, sorry" [gayrights] Rob says, "anyway, that's the Rob self-assessment" [gayrights] inky says, "also, that's 5-10%, not 5.10%" [gayrights] josh_g says, "not to shoot down the self-assessment, just to say the measurement seems weird to me" [grammar] Allen | The cited source is Alfred Ayres, The Verbalist: A Manual Devoted To Brief Discussions Of The Right And The Wrong Use of Words; And To Some Other Matters Of Interest To Those Who Would Speak And Write With Propriety. This little book is full of wonderful nuggets of nonsense, such as the recommendation to use "anybody's else" in place of "anybody else": It is better grammar and more euphonious to consider else as being an adjective, and to form the possessive by adding the apostrophe and s to the word that else qualifies; thus, anybody's else, nobody's else, somebody's else. [gayrights] Storme says, "my sense is that my own placement on the spectrum has shifted up and down over time" [gayrights] inky says, "now I am reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaydar " Hugo goes home. Hugo has disconnected. [gayrights] Rob asks (of Storme), "where are you now?" [gayrights] Gunther says, "11" [gayrights] Storme says (to rob), "I dunno, probably slightly more towards hetero in sexual preference but pretty firmly monoromantic towards a girl" [gayrights] Rob says, "the reason I mentioned gaydar is in part because years ago a url floated around here that was a stupid internet quiz 'Gay, or Euro?' where you had to guess whether a picture of some dude was of a gay dude or a euro guy, and I came near to 100% on it" [gayrights] Rob says, "and everyone else did miserably" [gayrights] Rob says (to Storme), "interesting" [gayrights] Ellison says, "my only thing is that I sometimes will think about how homophobia is often rightfully or wrongfully attributed to repression, so I'll occasionally worry that I am cool with homosexuality because, at heart, I am a homophobe" [grammar] Lionheart exclaims, "That... is bizarre!" [gayrights] Roger says, "Obviously gaydar is located in the right ear and Rob's is supercharged." [gayrights] inky asks, "does that mean you are mostly interested in having romantic relations with women, or that you're interested in one particular woman and not interested in other relationships besides with her?" [gayrights] Rob says (to Ellison), "also interesting" [gayrights] inky says (to Roger), "whoah" [gayrights] Storme says (to inky), "the latter" [gayrights] Ellison says (to Roger and inky), "ha ha" [gayrights] Gunther says, "the male g-spot is the gaydar" [gayrights] vimes asks (of ellison), "wait, how does that work - if you're cool with it, it's because you're a homophobe, so if you're...phobic about it, it's because you're cool with it?" [gayrights] Roger says, "That's known as a "call-back" my young son" [gayrights] Roger says, "I think their methodology might be a bit bogus" [gayrights] Storme says, "(I more generally notice male attractiveness than female. at the moment. but that changes)" josh_g says, "later" josh_g will call him Pootel; Henry Pootel for short. I have Futura envy. [gayrights] Roger says, "I mean, would asking guys "Would you like a superhot chick as a roommate?" determine how hetero they were? Maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath." [gayrights] Rob says, "also, all of my girlfriends have been women who are some percent masculine in the way they go about nailing down guys as if the roles were reversed, but were still mostly hetero in inclination" [gayrights] olethros says (to roger), "well, I guess superhot might mean 'with a dick" [gayrights] inky says, "nailing (down) guys" [gayrights] Storme says, "(and to be honest I like pretty girly-looking guys so I dunno what that says)" [gayrights] Rob says, "I have spent a lot of time wondering what the hell my deal is and looking back at the patterns" [gayrights] vimes says (to storme), "probably says you're never going to be dating a lumberjack" [gayrights] Rob says, "Iain isn't that girly lookin" [gayrights] vimes says, "even one with suspenders and a bra" [gayrights] Lionheart says (to Storme), "I find androgynous men and women attractive too" [gayrights] Rob asks, "or is he...?" [gayrights] Gunther says, "he is with the kilt" [gayrights] Storme says, "true but I am talking about my current tastes not past tastes" [gayrights] Rob says, "heh" [photo] Johnny says, "I don't know if this is giving me a headache: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3fa87oqdS1qjvsoxo1_500.gif " [gayrights] Rob says, "oh shit my ear is doing some weird things, I gotta go tend to it" [gayrights] Ellison says (to vimes), "only that as far as logic and reason are concerned, I'm cool with homosexuality, but I avoid looking at homosexual acts and am not quite sure how deep the aversion goes." [photo] vimes says, "that's really cool" [gayrights] Jearl says, "this should be a short game called Medical Drama" [gayrights] inky says, "I am sorry for Rob but this is pretty hilarious" [gayrights] Storme says (to inky), "oh good, not just me thinking that" [photo] Gunther says, "wow, talk about dramatic zoom" [gayrights] vimes says (to Ellison), "hm, i'm ok with (and in fact hugely a fan of) doctors performing open-heart surgery and so forth, but i really seriously very much do not want to see it and hope i never have to take part in it in either direction" [gayrights] vimes says, "it squicks the everliving hell out of me" [gayrights] vimes says, "or, better yet, eye surgery" [gayrights] vimes says, "even more squick" Sargent says, "vzoomph time to go" Sargent is more like Dragon's Lair meets Space Invaders, with a little Tekken thrown in. Just so you know the top writing was a joke. [gayrights] vimes says, "but i don't think that makes me a doctorphobe" [photo] Roger says, "It's a great demonstration of how zooming is not interchangeable with cropping" [photo] Roger says, "Which lots of people who should know better don't really understand" [gayrights] Roger says, "Ha, that bit from Seinfeld "oh and I bet you want dentists to have their own schools too"" [grammar] baf says, "Agreed. Usually I can at least understand where usage recommendations are coming from even if I don't agree with them, but this has no parallel in normal English that I can think of." [gayrights] Ellison says (to vimes), "yeah, also good point. still, it makes me aware that I am treating a gay person different than I would treat a straight person." [gayrights] Roger says, "omg maybe I'm secretly a hipster and I don't even know it" [gayrights] Bishop says (to Ellison), "Yeah, I think you're allowed to find actual gay sex to be actively repulsive to personally experience or observe without losing your progressive cred." [gayrights] Rob says, "ok, I've strapped on the Glasscock(TM), so I should be fine" [gayrights] Gunther asks (of Ellison), "does that mean the savage fucking was a lie?" [gayrights] Ellison says, "ha ha" [gayrights] Rob says, "all my girlfriends have pursued me, rather than the reverse" [gayrights] Rob says, "this is an interesting statistic" [gayrights] Roger says, "oh that rob he's so hot right now" [gayrights] olethros says, "rob, look behind you!" [gayrights] olethros says, "it's a lust mob!" [gayrights] vimes says, "a "flash" mobn" [gayrights] vimes says, "*mob" [gayrights] schep says (to Rob), "but that doesn't say anything about sexual attraction, just gender roles" [gayrights] K-Y says (to Rob), "that doesn't seem strange" [gayrights] K-Y says, "timing" [grammar] Allen says, "and yet, Ayres is directly responsible for large numbers of peeves people repeat today" [gayrights] Roger says (to schep), "Hmmm I'm not sure they're entirely decoupled (heh)" [gayrights] vimes says, "agreed with schep and k-y" [gayrights] schep says, "though I guess the concept 'gay' often implies things about both" [gayrights] Rob says, "yeah, but I find myself always taking a passive gender role in the beginning of a dating situation" [grammar] Allen says, "I think he was the one arguing it should be 'iced cream' and not 'ice cream', unless the only ingrediant is ice" [grammar] Roger says, "I have some quite old grammar peeve book by, hrm, Bierce maybe, with a bunch of really obtuse complaints" [grammar] Allen says, "I have an annotated copy of Bierce's book, that points out how stupid most of them are" [gayrights] Rob says, "once we hook up I tend to get kind of traditionally masculine, but before that I sort of try to sit and look pretty and wait for someone to accost me" [gayrights] schep asks, "and what, that makes you less straight or less manly or something?" [grammar] Roger says, "I wonder how ticked off people where when they started the shift away from "to-day" and "to-morrow"" [grammar] Allen says, "my favorite is "never use pants. It is exceedingly vulgar'" [gayrights] Rob says, "I dunno, it makes me more single and lonely, I can attest" [gayrights] Storme says (to rob), "hmm" [gayrights] schep says, "(I wish more women would accost me)" [grammar] Allen says, "er, "never use 'pants'"" [grammar] Roger says, "Haha" [gayrights] Rob says, "just so" [grammar] Allen says, "you have to say 'trousers'" [grammar] baf says, "'Iced cream' is an example of a usage recommendation that I disagree with but can understand." [gayrights] Gunther says (to schep), "if you wish women to a-cost ya something, just take 'em shoppin' hurr hurr" [grammar] olethros says, "but bierce was funny" [grammar] Rob says, "there was just something I read where people voted on what word they hated most, and it came down to 'slacks' as a winner" [grammar] Rob says, "and I didn't get that at all" [grammar] Allen says, "bierce's grammar book isn't funny" [gayrights] K-Y says, "I feel like that can just correlate with being passive in other ways" [grammar] Rob says, "but apparently a ton of people have a disgusted aversion to the word" [grammar] Roger says, "I guess a lot of it comes out of an "America just sucks you guys" stance and I suppose a lot of complaints still come out of a "people other than us suck so much" view" [grammar] Allen says (to Rob), "slacks was invented by my company!" [grammar] Allen says, "literally" [gayrights] Storme says, "yeah, passivity doesn't equate to feminine in my head" [grammar] Rob says, "yeah, I'm passive in other ways as well" (Current channel set to #misc/politics/gayrights) [grammar] Allen says, "Tracy Locke coined the word 'slacks'" [movie] inky | And I'd argue that in Elf, Will Ferrell is the Manic Pixie Dream Guy and Zooey Deschanel, ironically enough, is the Joseph Gordon-Levitt to Will Ferrell's Zooey Deschanel. [gayrights] Rob says, "yeah, I'm passive in other ways as well" [gayrights] vimes says, "passivity is all about passivity" [grammar] Allen says, "for an add campaign in the 20s" [gayrights] Rob says, "my last girlfriend used to yell at me for being so passive instead of active" [movie] Roger says, "Hunh! I should digest that a bit." [gayrights] vimes says, "male, female, underaged goat, joined together in a constant state of slack" [grammar] baf says, "Well, 'pants' is ambiguous. If you're writing for an international audience, using 'trousers' is probably a good idea." [gayrights] Bishop says, "I'm trying to remember who it was that wend on an antigay rant about the horrifying spectacle of Elton John and Barney Frank having sex, but my response to that was (1) yeah, that is pretty horrifying, good thing it won't happen, and (2) why the hell are you visualizing random homosexuals having sex, and (3) now I've got Michele Bachmann and Keith Richards having sex in my brain, so thanks a lot." [gayrights] vimes says, "aie, irta "Barney Rubble"" [movie] Roger says, "He's sort of asexual for a manic pixie role" [grammar] Allen says, "for the company Haggar" [gayrights] Rob says, "hm, bachmann/richards" [gayrights] Rob asks, "why richards?" [gayrights] Rob says (to vimes), "check out Viva Las Vegas for confirmation on that reading" [gayrights] Bishop says, "Oh, I was trying to think of a sufficiently horrifying hetero politician/entertainer pair." [gayrights] Rob says, "er, sorry, Viva Rock Vegas" [gayrights] Rob says, "but both of those are gay!" [gayrights] Bishop says, "And Keith Richards is pretty horrifying these days even when not having sex." [gayrights] Roger says, "Henry Kissinger and Celine Dion" [gayrights] Rob says, "oh wait" [gayrights] Rob says, "not elton john and barney frank" [movie] baf asks, "Elf is also the only movie I know of where Zooey doesn't sport bangs. Coincidence?" [gayrights] Rob says, "see michelle bachmann is a curiosity because her husband is so obviously gay" [movie] Rob says, "she doesn't? huhh" [gayrights] Roger says, "And Michele is a guy's name anyways" [grammar] Allen says, "here is Ayre's book: http://books.google.com/books?id=fWgPAAAAYAAJ " [gayrights] Bishop says (to Rob), "Huh, really? I hadn't noticed her husband at all." [movie] Rob says, "hah" [gayrights] Gunther says, "if your wife looked like Bachmann you too would be gay" [gayrights] Rob says, "oh this went around and around" [movie] baf says, "She's blonde, even." [gayrights] Rob says, "up to jimmy kimmel's correspondents dinner monologue where he said keith olbermann has had more pink slips than michelle bachmann's husband" [gayrights] Gunther asks, "anyway, I ... dare say he is maybe bi?" [gayrights] Rob says, "speaking of my gaydar superpowers, it's incredibly obvious that her husband is flamingly gay" [gayrights] Bishop says, "Ah, the original image was courtesy of Dave Daubenmire, of Pass the Salt Ministries." [gayrights] Roger says, "Rob I need your opinion on Blagojovich" [gayrights] Rob says, "straight" [gayrights] Roger says, "Damnit I just lost $20" [gayrights] Bishop says (to Roger), "Gay people get better hairpieces." [gayrights] Gunther says, "what about Widestance McForgotthename" [gayrights] Rob says, "hee hee" [gayrights] Rob says, "totally gay" [gayrights] Gunther says, "what about ME" [gayrights] Rob asks, "who?" [gayrights] Gunther says, "*me*" [gayrights] Rob says, "oh, you" [gayrights] Roger says, "Mass Effect is totally" [gayrights] Rob says, "well I haven't ever been able to decide, and figured it was your business" Emily asks, "anyone finish Endless, Nameless?" [gayrights] Rob says (to Roger), "ha ha yay" inky says, "yeah" [gayrights] Gunther says, "SO MUCH FOR YOUR GAYDAR" [gayrights] vimes says, "hee hee" [gayrights] Roger says, "You like how I didn't even finish that statement" [gayrights] vimes asks, "this is one of those things where Gunther is alternately played by a straight and gay actor, right?" [gayrights] Gunther says, "totally" Matthew goes home. Caught in a grab and a gabble of fabulous feet... Paul! Emily says, "if you have time for a hint, I'm stuck, in a fashion I will describe on #spoilers" [gayrights] Rob says, "I've been playing Mass Effect for five years as a lesbian Shepard" inky says, "you bet" [gayrights] Gunther says, "Lez Play" [gayrights] Rob says, "implying Gunther is 50/50 and it's his choice" [gayrights] (from Johnny) Rob says, "And my sheep are totally accepting of it." [peanut-gallery] Roger says, "Matthew realizes 90% of the mud traffic is on #gayrights, decides there's nothing here for him" [gayrights] inky says, "ha ha" (Current channel set to #alt/peanut-gallery) [peanut-gallery] inky asks, "how can it be #gaywrong when it feels so #gayright?" Truly, the wise monkey knows when to speak and when to be silent. [peanut-gallery] Rob " " [peanut-gallery] Roger says, "Ha" [peanut-gallery] vimes says, "ha ha" [gayrights] vimes says, "i play a lesbian shepherd as well, because (a) i want to stare at a slightly less godawfully unattractive ass and (b) i like to date women" [gayrights] schep says, "can gaydar detect homosexuals in denial, or only people who have accepted that about themselves? (Rob's, or in general)" [gayrights] Roger says, "The theory supports the former I believe" [gayrights] Rob says, "actually I've hooked up with Garrus but only because none of the female hotties ever seem to get it on with Shepard no matter what conversation choices I make" [gayrights] Storme says, "I would have played a gay shepherd had that been an option prior to ME3" [gayrights] Rob says, "in denial is no barrier to gaydar at full functionality" [gayrights] Johnny says (to schep), "I believe backscatter gaydar tech has been proven less effective than metal detectors/random bag checking." [gayrights] Rob says, "that's partly why it's a super-power" [gayrights] Roger says, "Gay/Lesbian Sheparding 3: By Hook or by Crook" [gayrights] Roger says, "available now" [gayrights] vimes says, "yay" [gayrights] schep says, "interesting" [gayrights] Roger says, "Sadly not really available now but hi there introcomp" zarf says, "I have to go buy cheese now" zarf walks off through the wall; vivid gold light flares briefly around him. has disconnected. [gayrights] vimes says, "hee hee" [gayrights] Storme says, "(as it is I ended up playing an asexual shepherd on my 2nd playthough)" [gayrights] Rob says, "there's this gay waiter at the cafe I always go to that I know has a crush on me and I continually have to reject him to let him know I'm not into that" [gayrights] schep says, "aww" [gayrights] Roger says, "Turns out he painted the back of my head for some reason" [gayrights] Rob says, "yeah that's the breaks" [gayrights] Roger says, "Holy crap when did I turn into Rob-stalker" [gayrights] Rob says, "on the other hand all of the sexy waitresses have slotted me into the 'friend' category so my life is a misery" Guest1 arrives from the east. [gayrights] * genericgeekgirl has joined the channel. genericgeekgirl says, "Hello, Guest." inky says, "hi guest" [law] Gunther says, "YES" Guest1 says, "hi all" [law] Gunther | “Thus, it is no more likely that the subscriber to an IP address carried out a particular computer function – here the purported illegal downloading of a single pornographic film – than to say an individual who pays the telephone bill made a specific telephone call.” [gayrights] Rob says, "but alas I'm used to it" [law] Gunther | In his recommendation order the Judge labels mass-BitTorrent lawsuits a “waste of judicial resources.” For a variety of reasons he recommends other judges to reject similar cases in the future. [law] Roger says, "Hmmm" [law] Gunther says, " http://torrentfreak.com/judge-an-ip-address-doesnt-identify-a-person-120503/ " [law] Gunther says, "FOAD MPAA/RIAA" [gayrights] inky says, "hmm" Guest1 goes southwest to play with toys. [smoochies] Roger asks (of Rob), "So I guess you're in favour of the 'friendzone' theory?" [gayrights] Storme says, "possibly this is where the passive thing comes across as disinterest to the women" [smoochies] Roger says, "It seems controversial for reasons I don't understand" [gayrights] Storme says, "but 'hard to get' to the guy" [gayrights] Rob says, "I think I'm fully aware of but don't like the friendzone theory" [smoochies] inky says, "it's like the neutral zone in star trek" [gayrights] Rob says (to Storme), "yeah, that's it" [smoochies] inky says, "ok it's not, but if you got that you are probably in the friend zone" Guest1 arrives from the Toyshop, dazzling you with hot yo-yo action. [smoochies] two-star says, "ha ha" [gayrights] Rob says, "I don't act like I'm talking to them because I want to bone them, even though that is in fact why I'm talking to them in the first place" [gayrights] Gunther says (to Rob), "only way to go is to start stuffing $100 bills down their pants, then" Guest1 enters the closet to the north. [gayrights] Rob says, "but I am also a nice guy and will accept friendship if that's what I get out of it" "Hey this a weird symbol" said watson. [gayrights] Rob says, "it's these accursed 19th century manners of wanting to court for several years chastely" [gayrights] Rob says, "also being kinda gay in some percentage that people don't know how to read" Guest1 comes out of the closet. Guest1 lights out for the west. [smoochies] Ellison says, "ha ha" [gayrights] Gunther says (to Rob), "oh, everyone in the 19th century was flamingly gay" Hans? josh_g is protected by public incredulity. [gayrights] Rob says, "exactly" [gayrights] inky says, "maybe what you need is a ruffled collar" josh_g says, "back post-lunch-chomping" Rob says, "ok I don't mean to leave at this particular stunning moment in the conversation but my netbook is out of battery life" [gayrights] Rob says, "that would be way too gay" [smoochies] Bishop says (to Roger), "I think it's regarded as a bit skeevy largely because it's a popular viewpoint of Nice Guys and other transactionally-minded people who have trouble figuring out that just being nice to people until they sleep with you doesn't usually work." [kitties] Jearl says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6fbahS7VSFs " Rob says, "back later it seems possible" [urls] Gunther says, "oh, I need to mention it again for everyone who wasn't here" Rob heads right on out. Find release from your cares. have a good time. Seeya later.