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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
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  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> that's me, mr busytown
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday Ryan!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List
Players: Alex, Jon, markm, Bishop, jpt, Ryan, Doug, GDorn, Allen, Touchy, DorianX, McMartin, Richie, Jearl, Psmith, Jacqueline, vimes, lpsmith, marc, baf, Yuri, Johnny, Grocible, maga, Dave, DavidW, annabianca, Marktwo, Matthew, genericgeekgirl, ghira, Hugo, Ellison, borowski, Recchi, two-star, Firion, Lucea, Olly
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 3431 lines from recent channels:
[tangent-tangent]/12:46 Jon says, "i.e. use the scent-detecting device to make a robotic bloodhound"
[tangent-tangent]|12:46 inky says, "so like I'd bucket tom swift with the hardy boys and doc savage and stuff, and danny dunn maybe with the great brain"
[tangent-tangent]|12:46 katre says, "so he's an engineer, not a scientist"
[food]|12:46 Dave says, "what's for lunchies"
[tangent-tangent]|12:46 Jon says, "well, mostly what he did was cause trouble"
[food]|12:46 katre says, "salad and a latte"
[tangent-tangent]|12:46 markm says, "I prefer to think of myself as a scienteer."
[tangent-tangent]|12:46 Jon says, "accidentally shrink himself, launch them into outer space, etc"
[tangent-tangent]|12:46 two-star says, "I recently picked up my mom's copy of Danny Dunn and the Homework Machine, as she was doing a book cull."
[tangent-tangent]|12:46 inky says, "ha ha"
[tangent-tangent]|12:47 inky says, "that is the only one I remember!"
[food]|12:47 Dave says, "salad sounds good...I'll pass on the coffees"
[tangent-tangent]|12:47 Jon says, "haha, that one"
[food]|12:47 katre says, "we just got an in-office barista"
[tangent-tangent]|12:47 katre says, "we just bought a copy!"
[tangent-tangent]|12:47 inky asks, "I was sitting here trying to remember what the homework machine was -- was it just a duplicator?"
[tangent-tangent]|12:47 markm says, "I remember two: one with a super x-ray machine, and the one with the anti-gravity paint."
[tangent-tangent]|12:47 katre says (to inky), "it's a computer"
[tangent-tangent]|12:47 inky asks, "oh, so it would actually solve your homework for you?"
[tangent-tangent]|12:47 katre says, "that they programmed with data so it could do their homework"
[tangent-tangent]|12:48 zarf says, "superconductor, shrink ray, message from space"
[tangent-tangent]|12:48 katre says, "except to write the programs they had to actually learn the data and algorithms, so joke's on them, they had to learn anyway"
[tangent-tangent]|12:48 inky says, "ha ha"
[tangent-tangent]|12:48 markm says, "Let's feed data into the automatic thinking machine and it will suddenly know how to do things."
[tangent-tangent]|12:48 katre says, "my favorite was the submarine"
[tangent-tangent]|12:48 zarf says, "desert island"
[tangent-tangent]|12:48 Roger says, "Danny Dunn and the Skynet Conundrum"
[tangent-tangent]|12:48 inky says, "the other one I remember is of course Adam's mention that if he had a spy camera dragonfly thing like in that one he would have used it to spy on the girl"
[tangent-tangent]|12:48 Jon says (to markm), "there was the bathyscape one, and the 'invisibility' one that turned out to be tiny remote-controlled robots timing"
[tangent-tangent]|12:49 zarf says, "time machine"
[jobs]|12:49 Doug | My team and i are working on 70 open full-time positions right now and looking for the talent to match to our clients. Specifically looking for PHP web apps and SQL developers.
[jobs]|12:49 Doug says, "sigh"
[tangent-tangent]|12:49 Jon says, "yeah, that was amusing. they taught the colonials how to play baseball."
[tangent-tangent]|12:49 markm looks for an omnibus.
[housing]|12:49 Dave says, "I suspect Irene's neighbors are ready for her to move anytime"
[tangent-tangent]|12:49 markm says, "I think alec would like these."
[jobs]|12:49 katre asks, "what is wrong with your life/company that you need 70 mysql/php devs?"
[tangent-tangent]|12:49 Jon says, "I'm not convinced they've aged well."
[housing]|12:49 Dave says, "the backyard looks like a Florida swamp/junkyard"
[jobs]|12:49 katre says, "(not you, personally. generic you)"
[tangent-tangent]|12:50 zarf says, "I haven't gone back to re-read them"
[tangent-tangent]|12:50 markm says (to Jon), "He really liked the Spaceship Under the Apple Tree. That's pretty old."
[housing]|12:50 Roger says, "Good times"
[tangent-tangent]|12:50 markm says, "On that one data point I am ready to conclude that danny dunn rox."
[tangent-tangent]|12:50 inky says (to markm), "that one rocked!"
[housing]|12:50 Dave says, "the front porch has a bunch of ratty Goodwill furniture that really doesn't look right in a suburban neighborhood"
[tangent-tangent]|12:50 inky asks, "it was a whole series, wasn't it?"
[housing]|12:50 Dave says, "she has curtains on the front porch"
[tangent-tangent]|12:50 Jon says, "it was."
[tangent-tangent]|12:50 markm says, "Yep"
[tangent-tangent]|12:50 markm says, "But I could only find that one so far."
[housing]|12:50 Roger says, "and of course 93 cats"
[tangent-tangent]|12:50 zarf says, "that is dated only in that it assumes that Boy Scouts are universal"
[housing]|12:50 Dave says, "no cats"
[tangent-tangent]|12:50 markm says, "Without resortin to going online"
[jobs]|12:50 Doug says, "well, I assumed they were not all at the same company.  But, maybe that's how many PHP developers it takes to make it work"
[tangent-tangent]|12:51 markm says (to zarf), "heh"
[tangent-tangent]|12:51 markm says, "+g"
[housing]|12:51 Dave says, "it's just probably not what the neighbors want to see for property values"
[jobs]|12:51 katre says, "oh, a recruiter"
[housing]|12:51 Roger says, "Mmmhmmm"
[jobs]|12:51 katre says, "that certainly makes more sense"
[jobs]|12:51 inky asks (of Doug), "what are you looking to do?"
[tangent-tangent]|12:51 markm | I was a child of the late 1950s and 1960s, and I remember reading Danny Dunn. I decided to read Danny Dunn to my 8 year old daughter (We all read as a family to eachother every night). Would the book hold up? It did, and it led to my daughter asking questions about early space flight and the 1950s-60s. The Danny Dunn books are a fun read that can still get a young mind thinking about science, and "infinity and beyond" :))
[housing]|12:51 Dave says, "and I'm hoping they're also thinking, "Oh, so that's why David left.""
[lounge]|12:51 Gunther has a complicated history with pants.
[tangent-tangent]|12:52 Jon asks, "have you also considered the Heinlein juveniles?"
[tangent-tangent]|12:52 Jon says, "particularly Space Cadet, say"
[tangent-tangent]|12:53 katre says, "Have Supercompetent Nymphomaniac Redhead, Will Travel"
[tangent-tangent]|12:53 Gunther says, "s/travel/incest"
[tangent-tangent]|12:53 Jon says, "there are no sexhappy redheads in Space Cadet."
[tangent-tangent]|12:53 markm says, "I'd read that."
[tangent-tangent]|12:54 katre asks, "then why would I read Space Cadet?"
[tangent-tangent]|12:54 inky says, "hee hee"
[tangent-tangent]|12:54 markm says, "hee hee"
[tangent-tangent]|12:54 katre says, "(also, if you have a SNR, _why_ travel?)"
[tangent-tangent]|12:54 Jon says, "(to find a jurisdiction where it's legal to marry her?)"
[tangent-tangent]|12:55 inky says, "hee hee more"
[...]|12:57 Gunther | David Daniel Otunga, Sr.[1] (born April 7, 1980) is an American lawyer, professional wrestler and former reality television actor
[...]|12:57 Gunther says, "I find the defendant... SUPLEXED *WHAMMO*"
[grubshack]|12:58 Matthew exclaims, "Hot sauce: tasted!"
[grubshack]|12:58 Matthew says, "It was hot, but not unbearably, evilly so."
[grubshack]|12:58 Gunther says, "and you live? worst "hot" sauce EVER"
[...]|12:58 Jon says, "good use of channel!"
[...]|12:59 Jon says, "excuse me. I meant, 'good... use of channel!'"
[grubshack]|12:59 Matthew says (to Gunther), "Well it's only supposed to be the hottest of the last 400 years."
[grubshack]|13:01 K-Y says, "take it to #climate"
[pain]|13:01 Gunther says, "I have Deflamat, Diclofenac, and a moor bath."
[pain]|13:02 katre says, "watch out for Iago!"
[pain]|13:02 Gunther says, "that'd be a bath moor"
[pain]|13:02 Gunther says, "which I would also be fine with"
[politics]|13:03 Matthew says, "Ha ha ha."
[politics]|13:03 Matthew says, "Someone on a blog calls this stupid Obama-Romney flap the War on Dogs."
[politics]|13:04 Gunther says, "I call it the I Am Sure Glad The World Has No Real Problems You Tits"
[politics]|13:06 Allen | Rachel Maddow Explains Why The Romney 'Leaving Dog on Top of Car' Story Has 'Legs'
[politics]|13:06 Gunther says, "orsonclapping.gif"
[politics]|13:07 Allen says, "cause Romney didn't fry and eat them, obviously"
[politics]|13:07 Matthew says (to Allen), "Ha ha ha."
[jobs]|13:09 Doug says (to katre), "yeah, that was from unsolicited linkedin mail"
[jobs]|13:09 Doug says (to inky), "hopefully not PHP"
[exercise]|13:10 GDorn | You've earned 1725 extra calories from exercise today
[lounge]|13:10 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|13:10 ghira says, "meep"
[exercise]|13:10 maga says, "congratulations on developing biochemical perpetual motion machine"
[jobs]|13:10 Doug says, "I had an interesting talk with a guy from a game company last night.  Wants a Rails programmer for a facebook city-builder-ish game"
[exercise]|13:12 GDorn says, "that's assuming I do all the things I plan to do today"
[jobs]|13:13 Doug says, "I think it pays less than my current job, though.  Which I think is already under my market value"
[jobs]|13:13 Doug says, "apparently it's true that game industry payscale is lower"
[jobs]|13:14 Doug says, "because everyone wants a game industry job.  And, I'm tempted too."
[music]|13:15 Jon says, "ooh, the Toronto Symphony Orchestra is performing The Planets while I'm in town."
[jobs]|13:15 inky says, "sounds right"
[jobs]|13:16 inky says, "also, obviously if you put a bunch of restrictions on where you'll work or what you'll work in, that lowers your market value"
[jobs]|13:16 Doug says, "yep"
[jobs]|13:17 Doug says, "on the other hands, jobs that suck should pay more..."
[jobs]|13:17 Doug asks, "hands?"
[jobs]|13:17 Doug says, "apparently my brain has 3 hands today"
[jobs]|13:17 katre says, "motie"
[jobs]|13:18 Doug says, "and yeah, I bailed on an interview with a company that's owned by copyright.com, because I just didn't feel politically comfortable with that"
[jobs]|13:18 Doug says, "(er, bailed on meaning cancelled, not that I stood them up or something)"
[workplace]|13:18 Allen says, "our colombia office is getting terrible connect rates to our servers and my boss told me to look into it"
[workplace]|13:19 Allen says, "I think I just want to blame it on "They're in colombia""
[workplace]|13:19 inky says, "suggest they put their bandwidth in a minisub"
[jobs]|13:20 Doug says, "I thought about just doing it for interview practice, and to see what kind of offer I might get, but I can't afford to take a lot of half-days from work"
[jobs]|13:21 ghira says, "I said no to an interview with a company where the hours were 7am to 7pm"
[jobs]|13:21 ghira says, "because that's just bonkers and I couldn't see any value in going there to tell them that"
[jobs]|13:21 Doug says, "yikes"
[jobs]|13:21 inky says, "weird"
[jobs]|13:21 Doug asks, "5 days a week?"
[jobs]|13:21 ghira says, "yes. I asked."
[jobs]|13:21 Doug asks, "do they clock you in and out?"
[jobs]|13:21 katre asks, "is that legal?"
[jobs]|13:21 katre says, "I thought UK had actual labor protections"
[jobs]|13:21 ghira says, "I find it hard to believe that it can be"
[jobs]|13:22 ghira says, "you can waive your right to be limited to the working time directive, I believe"
[jobs]|13:22 Roger says, "The five-hour lunch break helps"
[jobs]|13:22 ghira says, "indeed, they said something about that"
[jobs]|13:22 Doug asks, "is it manning phones or something?"
[jobs]|13:22 ghira says, "networking support"
[jobs]|13:22 ghira says, "so not really"
[politics]|13:23 maga says, "the most important thing about the dog-eating? it proves he's a Muslim"
[jobs]|13:23 ghira says, "hedge fund kind of place so probably very blame-driven and expects all employees to be willing to work stupid hours to prove they have backbone or something"
[jobs]|13:24 ghira says, "astonishingly, it seems they're having trouble filling the role"
[politics]|13:24 McMartin says, "And not just any Muslim, but an apostate one, which is even worse!"
[politics]|13:25 Matthew asks, "Are there people seriously arguing this?"
[thedailywtf]|13:25 inky says, "today's is a good one"
[politics]|13:25 McMartin says, "Poe's Law aside, it appears to"
[politics]|13:25 McMartin says, "The 'apostate' line, I'm not sure, but that's consistent with the reaction to 'um, Obama has been seen drinking alcohol, you idiots'"
[politics]|13:26 Doug | A century ago it was even more widespread, with dog a specialty in much of Europe.
[politics]|13:26 Gunther says, "surely dog is in absolutely no way ever halal"
[politics]|13:26 McMartin says (to Gunther), "I believe but am not positive that this is correct."
[politics]|13:27 inky says, "dogs are actively unclean"
[politics]|13:27 Matthew says, "Yeah, there's howlal amirite"
[politics]|13:27 inky says, "ha ha"
[politics]|13:27 Gunther |  Once Gabriel promised the Prophet that he would visit him, but Gabriel did not come and later on he said: We, angels, do not enter a house which contains a picture or a dog
[politics]|13:27 Gunther | Five kinds of animals are mischief doers and can be killed even in the Sanctuary: They are the rat, the scorpion, the kite, the crow and the rabid dog.
[politics]|13:27 ghira exclaims, "al fresco dining!"
[politics]|13:27 Gunther says, "a kite is not an animal, Gabriel"
[politics]|13:27 Gunther says, "er, Muhammad"
[zarfplan]|13:28 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! zarf has posted message 14, about 'Dreamhold iOS beta is up', to the bulletin board! At least it's not yet another Bush story!"
[politics]|13:28 ghira asks, "isn't it a bird?"
[politics]|13:28 Roger says, "Dogs are angel-repellants?  Okay that's definitely going into an rpg at some point."
[politics]|13:28 Gunther says, " http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090425044800AAkG8t2 "
[politics]|13:28 Doug says, "no pictures?  weird"
[politics]|13:28 Gunther says, "for once, surprise of surprises, Y!A is useful"
[politics]|13:28 McMartin says, "Specifically, In Nomine"
[politics]|13:29 McMartin says (to Doug), "Islam takes that 'no graven images' thing from the Old Testament very seriously indeed."
[politics]|13:29 Gunther says, "including gravatars"
[politics]|13:29 McMartin says, "To be fair, God *does* hate those"
[politics]|13:29 Gunther says, "PS don't read the answers"
[politics]|13:30 Doug asks, "are there non-graven images?"
[politics]|13:30 Doug asks, "like, hm, holograms?"
[zarfplan]|13:30 markm says, "yay"
[zarfplan]|13:30 Gunther says, "oo, invite"
[zarfplan]|13:30 Gunther says, "but new UDID"
[politics]|13:30 McMartin says (to Doug), "Calligraphy is OK, and this includes word-cloud-ish feats of calligraphy that happen to look like things"
[politics]|13:31 McMartin says, "But directly representational art is basically out."
[zarfplan]|13:31 markm says, "yeah, same here; time to update"
[politics]|13:31 maga says, "this has been treated, like the alcohol thing, with varying levels of seriousness"
[politics]|13:31 Allen says, "what's the muslim view on images that depict vases if you look at it one way"
[zarfplan]|13:31 zarf asks, "did it send out email invitations?"
[politics]|13:31 Doug asks, "what is the reasoning behind banning all images?"
[politics]|13:31 Allen asks, "but two old women if you look at it another way?"
[politics]|13:31 Roger says, "Heh"
[zarfplan]|13:31 zarf says, "dammit"
[politics]|13:32 Roger says (to Doug), "I'll meet you over in #religion for that if you like"
[zarfplan]|13:32 zarf says, "I thought the button I pushed was "don't spam""
[lounge]|13:32 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|13:32 * Tale has disconnected.
[religion]|13:32 Roger says (to Doug), "So, graven images and all that jazz"
[politics]|13:32 K-Y says, "also, gravitas"
[politics]|13:32 K-Y says, "because who says gravitas"
[politics]|13:32 maga says, "there's plenty of Persian representational art, for instance"
[religion]|13:32 Doug says (to Roger), "sure"
[zarfplan]|13:32 zarf says, "this is one thing I hate about testflight"
[politics]|13:32 Doug says (to K-Y), "dick cheney"
[politics]|13:32 McMartin says, "Iain M. Banks"
[politics]|13:32 McMartin says, "Though admittedly he only did it to mock his fans"
[religion]|13:32 Roger asks, "As far as I know the underlying idea is that if you have, say, a picture of Jesus, and you're praying to it, there's quickly a very fine line between hey are you praying to Jesus or are you praying to that picture?"
[religion]|13:33 Doug asks, "sure, false idols.  but what about non-jesus?"
[religion]|13:33 Roger says, "Well it's the same sort of thing"
[religion]|13:33 Doug asks, "do they think every picture is a temptation to pray to it?"
[religion]|13:33 Allen says, "the time of the prophet was roughly contemporaneous with the byzantine iconoclast movement"
[politics]|13:33 McMartin says, "After someone complained that naming the Culture warships things like the Frank Exchange Of Views lacked a certain gravitas, his next book introduced a ship named Experiencing A Gravitas Shortfall"
[politics]|13:33 inky says, "ha ha"
[religion]|13:34 Allen says, "I guess these ideas were "up in the air" around the mediterrannean"
[religion]|13:34 Roger says, "Well at the same time, recall that pretty much all art was religious art"
[religion]|13:34 Doug says, "I wonder if it's some sort of anti-Egypt thing, i.e. pictographs"
[religion]|13:34 Roger says, "So it's not like people were just painting up trees for no good reason"
[politics]|13:34 (from K-Y) Roger says, "feats of calligraphy, that's going in an rpg at some point"
[politics]|13:34 K-Y says, "so much lag"
[zarfplan]|13:35 Gunther tries to remember where udid is
[religion]|13:35 maga says, "there's also the Platonic idea that all art is basically a lie that goes in the wrong direction from the higher levels of reality you *should* be working towards"
[tangent]|13:35 inky says, "weapons of the gods already features feats of calligraphy"
[food]|13:35 Dave says, "lunch solved - client bought pizza today"
[religion]|13:35 Johnny asks (of maga), "Is the highest level getting punched in the face?"
[religion]|13:36 Johnny says, "That feels pretty real."
[food]|13:36 Dave says, "best lunch is one that's brought to you and someone else paid for"
[zarfplan]|13:36 Gunther says, "...oh. iTunes. *sigh*"
[zarfplan]|13:39 Gunther says, "ok, mailed"
[videogames]|13:40 Gunther | Runespell: Overture is a role-playing game combining poker mechanics with power ups and collectable cards
[videogames]|13:40 Gunther goes play Volvo: the Game
[videogames]|13:41 McMartin says, "#fallout1 I like how wearing hundred-pound nuclear-powered armor suits doesn't affect your Stealth skill in any way"
[videogames]|13:41 Gunther says, "you say that as if they can't tiptoe"
[lounge]|13:41 BrenBarn busta.
[videogames]|13:42 McMartin | VZZZZ THOOM VZZZZ THOOM "You see anything, Bob?" VZZZZZ THOOM "No sir, I didn't see a ten foot tall metal shell of pain and horror that would have killed us, sir." VZZZZ THOOM
[politics]|13:43 Bishop says (to K-Y), "Well, if monks in RPGs got authentic monkish skills instead of kung-fu..."
[food]|13:43 BrenBarn | I finally got to Boca de Rio today and was so impressed I hugged the owner!
[kickstarter]|13:43 Ellison says, "a kickstarter for Jim Munroe's latest movie (it includes the two characters from his game, Roofed): http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1453845642/tour-for-a-lo-fi-sci-fi-feature "
[kickstarter]|13:44 BrenBarn says, "ha ha"
[kickstarter]|13:44 BrenBarn says, "what a title"
[lounge]|13:49 Cathy wanders into the lounge and plops down in her favorite chair.
[lounge]|13:51 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Cathy"
[lounge]|13:51 Cathy waves hello
[politics]|13:51 boucher says, "I'm so going to roll a monk and frequently attempt actions like 'Seek Truth', or 'Operate Winery'"
[headlines]|13:53 Gunther | How Ted Nugent might fend off the Secret Service
[headlines]|13:53 Gunther says, "I suggest suicide"
[politics]|13:53 Roger says, "Don't forget the vital Rules Lawyering Food Restrictions"
[lounge]|13:53 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|13:53 Jota greets.
[zarfplan]|13:53 markm says (to Gunther), "There are udid tools so you don't need to plug into itunes."
[zarfplan]|13:54 Gunther says, "oh! well, too late"
[zarfplan]|13:54 zarf says (to markm), "they're going away, though"
[web-toons]|13:54 Roger says, "Oh I keep forgetting that the Citation Needed guy is the same guy behind joshreads"
[lounge]|13:54 inky says, "hey hey"
[music]|13:56 Gunther says, "why yes, it's time for the annually-or-so Mercython"
[music]|13:56 Gunther says, "More, This Corrosion, and Temple of Love, in their 10+ minute versions, back to back."
[lounge]|13:58 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Jota"
[exercise]|14:00 maga says, "hmm, wonder if I'm recovered enough for a distance run"
[exercise]|14:00 maga says, "I am really not very good at estimating this, having mostly relied on laziness to ensure good spacing between runs"
[zarfplan]|14:03 zarf says, "okay, added gunther and markm devices, I hope"
[music]|14:04 Roger says, "hey now hey now now"
[music]|14:05 Roger says, "I think I still prefer their earlier, circa Land of Rape and Honey stuff.  But I've probably said that before."
[music]|14:05 Roger says, "Wait that was Ministry wasn't it.  Ne'ermind."
[zarfplan]|14:05 Gunther says, "hmm, I get further than before but an error trying to install the provisioning profile"
[lounge]|14:05 nm, Whitehead and Russell reveal themselves as complete amateurs
[lounge]|14:05 nm says, "hi"
[lounge]|14:06 Roger says, "nm, here to school us on Poetry Month"
[lounge]|14:06 nm says, "I did enough schooling people at the office"
[lounge]|14:06 nm says, "actually I'm still at the office, so..."
[holidays]|14:06 Ellison asks, "so today is some High Five Day, eh?"
[holidays]|14:07 Roger says, "So I hear"
[lounge]|14:07 nm says, "listening to my postdoc listen to a very loud Mac CD-ROM from 1995 that is repeatedly shouting 'MY HUSBAND MOLESTED MY KIDS'"
[lounge]|14:07 inky says, "uh"
[lounge]|14:07 Roger says, "Performance art, everyone"
[lounge]|14:08 nm says, "it's a CD magazine by Necro Enema Amalgamated"
[obits]|14:08 Jota says, "I see, from recap, that I'm not the only one who doubted the plausibility."
[lounge]|14:08 Roger says, "I remember those, generally."
[urls]|14:09 Roger says, "I laughed"
[urls]|14:09 Roger | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/koma-comic-strip-he-doesnt-even-go-here.png
[obits]|14:10 Matthew says, "I thought Clark looked/sounded/seemed pretty good up until he had his stroke a couple of years ago.  After that... yeah, he should have retired."
[news]|14:10 BrenBarn says, "in all the hoopla about this General Services Administration misconduct, I think this is the most damning revelation yet"
[news]|14:11 BrenBarn | Neely, who was placed on administrative leave, wrote his wife about the February 2012 trip: "Rough schedule per our conversation. Guess this'll be your birthday present?"
[news]|14:11 BrenBarn | She responded: "Its yo birthday…. We gonna pawty like iz yo birthday!"
[obits]|14:11 Jota says, "Yeah, he spent several decades being forty as I recall."
[news]|14:11 inky says, "ha ha"
[obits]|14:11 Jota says, "Until *bam*, one hundred."
[obits]|14:11 Jota says, "Maybe something happened to the painting."
[obits]|14:13 Gunther says, "Kinkade died shortly before..."
[obits]|14:13 lpsmith asks, "Has anybody mentioned that Far Side?"
[obits]|14:15 lpsmith | One of Gary Larson's The Far Side cartoons has the caption, "Suddenly, on a national talk show in front of millions of viewers, Dick Clark ages 200 years in 30 seconds."
[obits]|14:16 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|14:16 zarf walks off through the wall; pale violet light flares briefly around him.
[obits]|14:16 lpsmith says, "The Larson laywers must be doing pretty well, though, since I can't find an actual picture of it."
[obits]|14:16 Jota says, "Man."
[lounge]|14:19 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[lounge]|14:22 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[news]|14:23 inky says, "this frozen cows thing is pretty funny"
[news]|14:23 inky says, "in a creepy way"
[zarfplan]|14:25 markm says (to Gunther), "same here :("
[zarfplan]|14:27 markm says, "I tried re-registering the device and still no luck."
[zarfplan]|14:27 Gunther says, "yeah, I de- and re-regged and tried multiple times"
[zarfplan]|14:27 Gunther says, "e-mailed them just now"
[news]|14:28 K-Y says, "turns out, that's not how you make ice cream"
[news]|14:28 inky says, "hee hee"
[videogames]|14:30 Gunther says (to Amanita), "wow, you assholes."
[random-requests]|14:31 nm says, "I am titling a video"
[random-requests]|14:31 nm says, "the letters and the words have been decided, but not the punctuation"
[random-requests]|14:31 nm says, "how do you like"
[videogames]|14:31 Gunther says, "so as thanks for me pre-ordering Botanicula, you release a Humble Bundle containing it with 5 games for less than I paid for it, in the same minute."
[random-requests]|14:31 nm | Star Wars, Raw? Rats!
[videogames]|14:31 Gunther says, "Fuck. You."
[videogames]|14:31 inky says, "man"
[random-requests]|14:33 nm says, "hm, I guess it's not widely liked"
[videogames]|14:33 genericgeekgirl says, "Aw. Heh, I actually decided not to buy it because I figured it would eventually be in a bundle. Just didn't expect it to be so soon."
[random-requests]|14:33 nm | Star Wars Raw Rats
[random-requests]|14:34 nm says, "is also possible, for instance"
[videogames]|14:35 Gunther | Warning! Please note that orders under $5.00 are not eligible to redeem Steam keys
[videogames]|14:35 Gunther | It appears that you have no heart! Please prove that you are really human.
[lounge]|14:36 djfletch is thought to have been among those present.
[kickstarter]|14:41 Gunther says, "OHO http://www.kicktraq.com "
[facepalm]|14:43 Gunther | A burglar was identified by his dance moves, captured on security cameras
[facepalm]|14:43 Gunther | "The 16-year-old juvenile suspect is known for his 'swag,' or signature dance move," Heyse said, "and [he] does it in the hallways at school."
[facepalm]|14:43 inky says, "awesome"
[facepalm]|14:44 Gunther says, " http://www.loweringthebar.net/2012/04/security-cam-records-burglars-signature-dance-moves.html "
[facepalm]|14:44 Gunther says, "also the burglary itself was completely 'awesome'"
[facepalm]|14:44 Gunther | they broke into a "Duck Tours" amphibious tourist vehicle from which they took the fire extinguisher
[facepalm]|14:44 Gunther says, "congratulations, you're truly a grade-A idiot"
[lounge]|14:46 Hugo, porn, Hugo, porn, Hugo.
[MacOS]|14:47 Hugo says, "Command-line 'trash' command.  That's handy."
[lounge]|14:47 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Hugo"
[videogames]|14:49 Gunther says, "oh hey, GOG's on the case."
[videogames]|14:49 Gunther says, "GOG, note, not Amanita."
[tangent]|14:51 Roger says, "Amanita is a fake name right up there with Anita and Juwanna"
[tangent]|14:51 Gunther asks, "...it's a company name?"
[tangent]|14:51 Roger exclaims, "It could still be a joke!"
[lounge]|14:52 Hugo says, "Heya."
[apple-sux]|14:59 Hugo says, "That story is batshit."
[apple-sux]|15:00 Gunther says, "yep"
[UK]|15:01 Roger says, "Translation needed:"
[UK]|15:01 Roger | The Monday after I'd driven around to scout, I met a personal trainer in a newsagent in the morning.
[UK]|15:01 Roger asks, "what is this "newsagent"?"
[UK]|15:02 Gunther says, "it's a place you go into to buy newspapers, magazines, and fags"
[UK]|15:02 nm says, "a whole pack of fags"
[UK]|15:02 Gunther says, " http://www.dicts.info/img/ud/newsagent.jpg "
[UK]|15:02 Gunther says (to nm), "or even a pack of packs"
[apple-sux]|15:02 Hugo asks, "But at the same time, I don't know.  I shrug.  It's Apple.  What did you expect?"
[apple-sux]|15:02 Gunther says, "oh, nothing else"
[UK]|15:03 Roger says, "Oh"
[apple-sux]|15:08 Hugo says, "Oh!"
[apple-sux]|15:08 Hugo says, "That said, I got this:"
[apple-sux]|15:09 Hugo says, "(In response to dealing with yet-another-Apple-related issue)"
[apple-sux]|15:09 Hugo | Kent, I appreciate you for taking time to reply back. I'm so glad to hear that the issue is now resolved. As I'm an Apple employee, I swear to do my best to show you what iTunes Store Customer Service is all about.
[apple-sux]|15:09 Gunther asks, "so they finally let you sign up as a dev?"
[apple-sux]|15:10 Hugo says, "Nope."
[apple-sux]|15:10 Hugo says, "Something else.  But I felt practically hugged."
[lounge]|15:11 nm goes home.
[apple-sux]|15:11 Gunther says, "I detect battered wife syndrome"
[apple-sux]|15:11 Hugo says, "A bit."
[apple-sux]|15:12 Hugo says, "A while ago I mentioned that the edge of my MacBook Pro is so sharp that I'm actually building up callouses on my wrists."
[apple-sux]|15:12 Hugo says, "I look like a cutter."
[apple-sux]|15:12 Hugo says, "But I keep using it."
[apple-sux]|15:12 Hugo says, "And I will keep using it, probably, until the arterial spray makes the display unreadable."
[lounge]|15:17 zarf walks in through the wall. Behind him, light shines briefly through, vivid gold this time of day.
[videogames]|15:18 Gunther | Oh, so does it have a RGB ending?
[videogames]|15:18 Gunther says, "I think "RGB ending" is the new "nuked the fridge""
[videogames]|15:24 Matthew says, "Ha ha."
[videogames]|15:25 katre says, "I only play games with CMYK endings"
[videogames]|15:25 Matthew says, "Ha ha."
[SotC]|15:34 Roger | http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/19/vintage-photographs-superheroes/
[apple-sux]|15:36 GDorn asks, "how does dropbox work with iOS?"
[apple-sux]|15:37 GDorn asks, "I mean, given that apps can't share data, you can't upload a pdf to dropbox and then view in on your iPad, unless your pdf reader implements dropbox access, right?"
[apple-sux]|15:37 Gunther says, "yes, but GoodReader does, and nobody needs any other app"
[lounge]|15:39 josh_g is protected by public incredulity.
[apple-sux]|15:39 GDorn says, "hmm.  I have some other stuff in dropbox, but it's sorta amazing how much is stuff that GoodReader would support."
[zarfplan]|15:39 vimes says, "woo, shout-out in the update"
[lounge]|15:39 josh_g says, "hi"
[zarfplan]|15:39 zarf says, "heh"
[apple-sux]|15:41 Hugo asks, "iOS implements some sort of open-with capability, doesn't it?"
[zarfplan]|15:42 (from vimes) * vimes has changed the topic to: (Except for that annoying * bug)
[lounge]|15:42 Tale's first civilian job after World War I was at the Oxford English Dictionary, where he worked mainly on the history and etymology of words of Germanic origin beginning with the letter W.
[videogames]|15:44 Gunther says, "#botanicula they should've just called this "I don't even""
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:46 vimes says, "in my keyboard stack (lines i started to type but got interrupted in the middle of, and saved), i have a few strange things that i wish i remembered the context for"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:46 vimes | #politics #harrypotter #pr0n
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:46 vimes | #hardware if you took the weasel
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:46 vimes | #blokes wait, butter?
[videogames]|15:47 K-Y says, "belatedly, I think games with CMYK endings would just be CYOAs"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:48 Tale says, "heh"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:49 josh_g says, "ha"
[zarfplan]|15:49 Doug says, "someday I want to have a non-annoying bug"
[videogames]|15:49 katre says, "(no, seriously, what's an RGB ending?)"
[zarfplan]|15:49 Ellison asks, "what's the text buffer bug?"
[zarfplan]|15:49 zarf says, "the other kind of bug is 'fatal bug'"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:49 K-Y says, "If You Gave a Weasel Some Butter"
[videogames]|15:49 Gunther says, "Mass Effect 3"
[videogames]|15:50 katre says, "I haven't played it"
[videogames]|15:50 katre says, "(or any of the ME games)"
[videogames]|15:50 McMartin says, "I prefer the name 'Endingtron 3000'"
[videogames]|15:50 Gunther says, "you decide whether you want a red, green, or blue explosion"
[videogames]|15:50 katre says, "I'm aware there's some type of internet shitstorm but I don't intentionally stick my head into shitstorms if I can help it"
[jobs]|15:50 Doug says, "bleah, four phone screens in two days = hard to keep things straight."
[jobs]|15:50 Doug says, "shoulda been taking notes I guess."
[videogames]|15:50 McMartin says, "I continue to hold that the shitstorm proves the Internet is full of tiny babies"
[videogames]|15:50 josh_g says (to katre), "I think it sums up to "My choices meant nothing, all the endings are the same""
[apple-sux]|15:51 Hugo says, "Speaking of Dropbox, I really have to set my YouSendIt-using colleagues straight."
[videogames]|15:52 (from McMartin) McMartin says, "No matter what I do it ends with a credits sequence! My choices are irrelevant!"
[videogames]|15:52 McMartin says, "The ending's a bit abrupt"
[videogames]|15:53 McMartin says, "There are several points where it can be read as contradicting previously established canon, though IMO nothing that even the most casual Star Trek fan couldn't doubletalk away in his or her sleep"
[videogames]|15:53 McMartin says, "I continue to be baffled by the size and intensity of the shitstorm"
[videogames]|15:54 McMartin says, "The only thing I can think of that was comparable was when Fallout 3 was announced"
[videogames]|15:54 Tale says (to McMartin), "Maybe they are annoyed because it requires Dr. Who levels"
[videogames]|15:54 McMartin says, "Or when Canonical FemShep was put to a fan vote and a blonde one"
[videogames]|15:54 McMartin says, "won"
[videogames]|15:55 McMartin says (to Tale), "Mmmm. Both boil down to 'When NPC X said Y, NPC X was mistaken' or 'X happened once, that doesn't mean X happens in every situation that looks vaguely like it'"
[videogames]|15:55 McMartin says, "I'm not good enough at TV to know what those are"
[lounge]|15:55 inky did not seem to exist in a specific time period as he has also been a Roman gladiator, a Medieval knight, and a rocket scientist.
[videogames]|15:55 K-Y says, "look, I'm sure there have always been abrupt endings that raised ire"
[videogames]|15:56 McMartin says, "There's a difference between raising ire and melting down the Internet"
[videogames]|15:56 K-Y says, "the question is whether you are in the business of appeasing fans in the short term or sticking to your guns and hoping for vindication in the long term"
[videogames]|15:57 K-Y says, "I don't think EA is in the latter business"
[videogames]|15:57 McMartin says, "That would imply that it was actually defensible as an optimum, which it also clearly isn't."
[videogames]|15:57 McMartin says, "It's just that the correct level of ire is that leveled at DX3's endings, or at worst a DX3's boss fights."
[videogames]|15:57 McMartin says, "*at"
[lounge]|15:57 inky arrives from the east.
[videogames]|15:59 K-Y says, "well, if you believe there even is a correct level of ire"
[videogames]|16:00 K-Y says, "if you're trying to have a huge fanbase I think that doesn't really help you"
[videogames]|16:00 McMartin says, "Well, given the shitstorm, I expected some kind of jarring transition a la DX3's bossfights."
[videogames]|16:00 McMartin says, "Which were, if you may recall, outsourced, and basically outsourced to people with no experience with the series or its design goals"
[videogames]|16:01 McMartin says, "That... never really came."
[videogames]|16:01 K-Y says, "the point is bad things happened to characters people were attached to"
[lounge]|16:01 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|16:01 * Tale has disconnected.
[videogames]|16:02 McMartin says, "That is the exact point where I become utterly unable to take further conversation seriously"
[lounge]|16:02 Ellison has appeared in three Bigfoot/Abominable Snowman-themed movies: Bigfoot: The Unforgettable Encounter, Little Bigfoot and Abominable.
[videogames]|16:02 McMartin says, "'Bad things happening to people you care about' is kind of a crucial component of large classes of successful stories"
[videogames]|16:03 K-Y says, "fans these days really don't like that"
[videogames]|16:03 K-Y says, "if you look at comics for example"
[videogames]|16:03 Hugo says, "They want to shoot things in the face."
[videogames]|16:04 K-Y says, "you can no longer have cliffhangers where characters seemingly die"
[videogames]|16:04 McMartin says, "And I am unable to rationally discuss things with those people, or about those people"
[videogames]|16:04 McMartin says, "I keep turning into Heavy Weapons Guy"
[videogames]|16:04 McMartin says, "WHAT SICK MAN SENDS BABIES TO DEBATE ME/USES BABIES AS DEBATE SUBJECT"
[videogames]|16:04 josh_g says, "ok, I thought this was more that the ending forced the main character into a specific response that went totally against one play style / "moral" choice thread that players could play"
[videogames]|16:05 josh_g says, "I haven't played them, this was second-hand #spoilers talk"
[videogames]|16:05 josh_g says, "but that's sort of different than just "oh noes my favorite character died" or whatever"
[CCG]|16:06 inky | Explaining mana burn to new players is like explaining herpes to teenagers. it.s just grating.
[videogames]|16:06 McMartin says (to josh_g), "While I happen to agree that they got the R and B switched, the position used is not completely indefensible and it's not even a matter of irritation for me"
[videogames]|16:06 K-Y says (to josh_g), "I think if it were just that, it would not be this big"
[videogames]|16:06 McMartin says, "Note that ME1 and ME2 are *also* RGB endings, but without a G option."
[videogames]|16:06 K-Y says, "people want to hang their hat on intellectual, defensible reasons"
[videogames]|16:07 K-Y says, "but for it to be this big I have to reach into the indefensible"
[videogames]|16:07 McMartin says, "There is 'if you assume that event X in a DLC generalizes, the ME3 ending requires that all life in the Galaxy go extinct', but this is more poorly grounded than the Endor Holocaust."
[videogames]|16:07 josh_g says, "ok, whatever"
[videogames]|16:08 McMartin says, "Hrm."
[CCG]|16:08 K-Y says, "this is sort of like what is being talked about on #videogames"
[videogames]|16:08 McMartin says, "Actually, it occurs to me that the R/B switch is only an issue depending on whether you mean the ME1 or ME2 version of R/B."
[videogames]|16:12 McMartin says, "I would generally agree that if the only available ending in ME3 involves the total extinction of all life in the Galaxy, that this would rate a lot of ire"
[videogames]|16:13 McMartin says, "So would 'the whole series is a dying hallucination from the first point in the plot that Shepard was seriously wounded, wherever that was in your playthrough'"
[videogames]|16:13 inky says, "start of ME2"
[videogames]|16:14 josh_g says, "U2 : ME2"
[videogames]|16:14 McMartin says (to inky), "Could be end of ME1"
[videogames]|16:14 McMartin says, "but start of ME2 at the absolute latest, yes."
[headlines]|16:15 Allen | Bobcat Eating Suspect in Court Next Week
[headlines]|16:16 Roger says, "Haha now that's news"
[politics]|16:17 Allen | A diplomatic source close to the Indonesian delegation in the U.S. confirms that while dog is sometimes eaten in Indonesia, it is done so very rarely.     "I don't know of anyone who eats it and frankly, I'm a little offended you would ask."
[politics]|16:18 McMartin says, "It's been used for decades as a way of demonizing Asians, so, well, yes"
[teaching]|16:18 josh_g says, "Q: How does a block heater help a car start? (mention viscosity)"
[teaching]|16:18 josh_g says, "A: "it makes heat and kills the cold particles.""
[lounge]|16:18 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[music]|16:18 olethros returns from jazz festival
[music]|16:18 olethros says, "that was reallllly nice"
[music]|16:19 olethros says, "Malcolm Braff was there"
[teaching]|16:20 Roger says, "Haha points for style"
[teaching]|16:20 Roger says, "It neutralizes the anti-phlogiston, obviously"
[lounge]|16:20 Jizaboz slithers away.
[teaching]|16:20 Gunther says, "I can't believe these students are 18+"
[facepalm]|16:20 olethros | Could your idea help other authors to submit their papers while they are on the move? Or perhaps you have an idea for an application that involves several journals in a subject area? Whatever your journal app ideas, submit your suggestions to Elsevier's Best Mobile App Competition today!
[teaching]|16:21 Roger says, "I can believe they are taking the piss in wheelbarrow proportions"
[teaching]|16:21 inky asks, "these aren't college students, are they?"
[teaching]|16:22 josh_g says (to Gunther), "these are grade 8 kids"
[teaching]|16:23 olethros says, "wait contact forced don't differ at all from forces that act at a distance"
[teaching]|16:23 inky asks, "so, hmm, 13-14?"
[teaching]|16:23 josh_g says (to inky), "yeah I guess so"
[teaching]|16:23 Roger says, "How does a block heater help a car start? (mention Axe Cop)"
[teaching]|16:23 olethros says, "contact forces are basically the electromagnetic force"
[teaching]|16:23 josh_g says (to olethros), ""contact forces only work if there's contact" is all they've gotta tell me"
[lounge]|16:24 borowski enters the lounge.  You quickly hide your bagel.
[teaching]|16:24 josh_g says, "ok, if someone argues that I will give them an instant A"
[lounge]|16:24 borowski says, "howdy"
[lounge]|16:24 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi borowski"
[teaching]|16:25 Roger says, "The amount of force required to keep your eyelids open when inserting a contact lens"
[lounge]|16:26 olethros says, "I think I want to play some musak"
[lounge]|16:26 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[lounge]|16:29 Grocible says, "hey every body"
[apple-sux]|16:31 GDorn says (to Hugo), "no, I'm pretty sure iOS still doesn't do "open with" with some notable apple-only exceptions."
[lounge]|16:32 borowski says, "hello Grocible"
[jobs]|16:34 GDorn says, "haha"
[jobs]|16:34 GDorn says, "that "party" yesterday for the "launch" of the "new" product?  there were balloons."
[jobs]|16:34 GDorn | Portland Police were call out by our alarm company last night at 12:39AM because the balloons set off one of the motion detectors repeatedly.  Unfortunately, the balloons have got to go.
[jobs]|16:35 inky says, "ha ha"
[jobs]|16:36 Roger says, "Weird"
[jobs]|16:37 borowski says, "I hope the police shot the balloons down."
[jobs]|16:37 Grocible says, "like that Far Side comic with the kid in bed, and the balloon outside the window"
[photo]|16:37 Grocible says, "so I am feeling superduper positive about Canon today"
[photo]|16:38 inky asks, "you are?"
[photo]|16:38 Grocible says, "I am"
[photo]|16:38 Grocible says, "on the weekend I went to Kew Gardens and took along a loaned lens"
[photo]|16:39 katre asks, "who are you and what have you done with Grocible?"
[photo]|16:39 Grocible says, "and discovered a few days later that the lens cap had fallen off in the bag, and the expensive outer element was scratched"
[photo]|16:39 Grocible says, "lightly, but scratched"
[photo]|16:39 Grocible says, "imagine my sinking feeling of outright horror. this was the most expensive lens of the lot"
[photo]|16:39 Grocible says, "and I was like, okay, I'm going to remain calm, and get a lens cleaner. I'm sure it's a smudge.."
[photo]|16:40 Grocible says, "but no"
[photo]|16:40 Grocible says, "anyway. I called my contact today and he said, "well, okay. We'll cover it.""
[photo]|16:40 inky says, "wow"
[photo]|16:41 Grocible says, "phew"
[photo]|16:41 Grocible says, "thank frickin' heavens for that"
[photo]|16:41 Grocible says, "it would probably be hundreds of pounds to repair"
[jobs]|16:41 Recchi says (to borowski), "Haha"
[photo]|16:42 inky asks, "how do you convince people to loan you stuff? because you're doing a book and you want to showcase the lenses?"
[photo]|16:42 Grocible says, "the lens is $2200 US, by the way"
[photo]|16:42 Grocible says, "sure"
[photo]|16:42 Grocible says, "like magazine reviewers"
[photo]|16:43 Grocible says, "1700 pounds to buy"
[photo]|16:43 inky says, "dang"
[photo]|16:43 inky says, "wait a sec"
[photo]|16:43 inky asks, "it's cheaper in the US than in the UL?"
[photo]|16:43 inky says, "er, UK"
[photo]|16:44 Grocible says, "No"
[lounge]|16:44 Recchi enters the lounge, triumphantly hoisting object #31337.
[photo]|16:44 Grocible says, "1700 GBP is $2700 USD"
[lounge]|16:46 Ellison says, "hey Recchi"
[lounge]|16:47 boucher goes home.
[photo]|16:49 Hugo says, "I put a rock chip in a $10K lens."
[photo]|16:49 Hugo says, "Because that's how I roll."
[photo]|16:50 Roger says, "Down a pile of rocks"
[photo]|16:50 Hugo says, "Actually it may have been $15K."
[photo]|16:51 Grocible says, "this is a tiny little mark. but it's a mark"
[photo]|16:51 Ellison says, "that's totally messed up, considering the lens was only melted small rocks"
[photo]|16:52 Hugo says, "You can actually see the rock hit the lens, at the end of Bull."
[photo]|16:52 Ellison says, "awesome. I will look for that."
[photo]|16:52 Roger says, "I'd laugh if the big lens manufacturers were running a De Beers scheme, so they don't care because that lens only cost them 12 bucks to make."
[movie]|16:53 GDorn | http://www.deadline.com/2012/03/max-landis-set-to-write-chronicle-2-for-fox/
[movie]|16:53 GDorn says, "somehow missed this"
[movie]|16:54 GDorn says, "oh yeah, because I hadn't even heard of the movie when this article was posted"
[movie]|16:54 GDorn says, "anyway, doom.  because the first one ended exactly where it should have an the sequel can't possibly live up to it."
[videogames]|16:54 vimes says, "sweet, humble botanicula bundle"
[videogames]|16:56 vimes says, "naturally, i already have the other three games in the bundle"
[Hugo]|16:56 Recchi asks, "Did Kent release Future Boy! for free at some point? Or put it on the archive?"
[movie]|16:56 Hugo says, "I was curious about Chronicle given the positive word of mouth, but it was missing a third reason I wouldn't want to see it."
[Hugo]|16:56 Hugo says, "Did he?  I forget."
[Hugo]|16:56 Hugo says, "I don't think so."
[Hugo]|16:57 Hugo says, "Mainly because even in stripped-down form it's 170MB."
[Hugo]|16:57 Hugo says, "I think that was it, anyway."
[movie]|16:57 Roger finally looks it up.  "Oh yeah, THIS movie.  Hrm."
[movie]|16:58 Roger asks, "Is it out on DVD yet?"
[videogames]|16:58 borowski says, "Nice. I've been excited about Botanicula."
[movie]|16:58 Hugo says, "Unless it was out in '3D', to, so then it would've been superhero movie + found-footage movie + 3D = avoidance trifecta."
[videogames]|16:58 McMartin says, "Hey, new(ish?) Steam mobile site"
[movie]|16:59 GDorn says, "probably soon.  we caught it at the cheapseat brewpub theater."
[movie]|16:59 GDorn asks, "it was in 3D?"
[movie]|16:59 Hugo says, "I don't...think so?  Who knows."
[movie]|17:00 Roger says, "Until I watch it, I'll continue to pretend it's the prequel to Hancock"
[movie]|17:01 Roger says, "(Which was a lot less terrible than I was expecting)"
[rpg]|17:01 Roger says, "Whoops found a jeepform site and now I'm getting sucked in"
[movie]|17:01 lpsmith says, "Hancock was pretty funny."
[movie]|17:01 lpsmith says, "and it had a good twist."
[movie]|17:02 Hugo says, "I haven't seen it."
[rpg]|17:02 inky says, "jeepjeep"
[movie]|17:02 Hugo says, "But I read it years and years ago when it was called Tonight, He Comes."
[movie]|17:02 lpsmith asks, "What is Tonight, He Comes?"
[lounge]|17:03 Storme enters.
[wedding]|17:03 Storme says, "ugh"
[lounge]|17:03 inky says, "hey Storme"
[wedding]|17:03 Storme says, "my best friend from university is getting married a month before me"
[lounge]|17:03 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Storme"
[wedding]|17:03 Storme says, "and he is determined to do a skit for their first dance"
[wedding]|17:04 Storme says, "I have so much DO NOT WANT about this"
[movie]|17:04 Hugo says, "Hancock."
[movie]|17:04 Hugo says, "The less family friendly original screenplay."
[wedding]|17:04 inky asks, "is the skit a thing he wants you to participate in?"
[wedding]|17:04 Storme says, "yes"
[wedding]|17:04 Storme says, "with a dance"
[movie]|17:04 Hugo says, "From...1997 or so."
[wedding]|17:04 Storme says, "and costumes"
[movie]|17:05 Hugo says, "1995 maybe."
[movie]|17:05 lpsmith says, "Oh, I assumed it was some short story or something."
[wedding]|17:05 Roger asks, "Perhaps you could assuage him with allowing its performance at the rehersal, or afterwards, or something?"
[movie]|17:05 lpsmith | Vincent Ngo wrote the spec script Tonight, He Comes in 1996.
[movie]|17:05 Hugo says, "That's the one."
[Hugo]|17:05 Recchi says, "We gotta --"
[wedding]|17:05 Storme says, "nope, he wants it for the first dance"
[Hugo]|17:05 Recchi says (to Hugo), "We gotta get you into one of these indie bundles, then."
[wedding]|17:06 Storme says, "I get the impression I am not allowed as his best woman to duck out"
[movie]|17:06 Hugo says, "When I was making the rounds with Future Boy!, every studio was, like, hey, this is great, but you know Columbia(?) just bought Tonight, He Comes, so..."
[wedding]|17:06 Storme says, "especially as his partner's best woman is totally enthused and excited"
[wedding]|17:06 Roger says, "Oh I missed the start of this story and had erroneously assumed this was your wedding"
[wedding]|17:07 inky asks, "is the deal that you don't want to dance, or you don't want to do the costume or what?"
[wedding]|17:07 inky says, "(want/have time)"
[wedding]|17:07 Storme says (to inky), "I just think it's sort of tacky"
[wedding]|17:07 Storme says, "and also yes timewise is awkward"
[wedding]|17:07 inky says, "because if you just don't want to do it but he is your best friend from university it seems like you should just suck it up"
[wedding]|17:07 Roger says, "Perhaps you could film it and send it to them as a gift to enjoy at their leisure"
[wedding]|17:08 Storme says, "yeah, I probably will just suck it up and do it"
[wedding]|17:08 inky says, "but it seems like doing a big project a month before your wedding will make you crazy"
[wedding]|17:08 Storme says, "yes"
[wedding]|17:08 Storme says, "I do not think he appreciates this"
[movie]|17:08 lpsmith says, "Heh."
[wedding]|17:08 inky says, "so I would say "look, ok, but I am going to reuse a costume or not have a fancy one or something, and I am not going to do a bunch of rehearsals, do you still want me to do it?""
[movie]|17:08 lpsmith says, "And hey, the script is online."
[movie]|17:09 Grocible says, "it's weird the way scripts circulate online"
[movie]|17:09 Hugo says, "I don't remember liking it that much.  But what do I know."
[wedding]|17:09 Storme says, "that is pretty much what I have said"
[movie]|17:09 Grocible says, "like I read the script for Avatar when it was a treatment"
[movie]|17:09 Grocible says, "and I thought it was pretty good"
[Hugo]|17:09 Ellison says, "it'd be nice if FB was still available, yeah. I mentioned IndieCity to Hugo, even with that weird launcher issue."
[wedding]|17:09 inky says, "well then"
[wedding]|17:09 Storme says, "but pretty much anything I say about costumes makes him go 'oh you're a cosplayer you'll make it work'"
[movie]|17:09 Grocible says, "I trried to drum up interest in it on the MUD at the time, but nobody was interested"
[movie]|17:09 inky says, ""pretty good, but I think the smurfs should be taller, and probably not actually called that""
[wedding]|17:09 Storme says, "I have actually pointed out to him that my speech was going to be nice and heartening and so on"
[wedding]|17:10 Storme says, "and now I am supremely tempted to make it as embarrassing as humanly possible"
[movie]|17:10 McMartin says, "Avatar is best approached as SMAC: The Movie"
[movie]|17:10 McMartin says, "It's got the Spartan faction, the University faction, some Morganites..."
[wedding]|17:10 Storme says, "'sorry if you all think I'm being a bit too mean here, but when you see what he's making me do later, you'll understand'"
[movie]|17:11 inky says, "hee hee"
[movie]|17:11 inky says, "er"
[wedding]|17:11 inky says, "hee hee"
[wedding]|17:11 Storme says, "also I confess I am twitchy about doing a costume half-assedly"
[movie]|17:11 Grocible says, ""1990: Brian Helgeland and Manny Coto sell their nuclear-armed robot spec The Ticking Man for $1.2 million. The script was sent out with a ticking alarm clock attached.""
[wedding]|17:11 Storme says, "because I HAVE STANDARDS"
[wedding]|17:11 inky says, "mmhmm"
[movie]|17:11 McMartin says, "Of course, this makes the Na'vi the Mind Worms, so, um."
[movie]|17:11 Grocible says, "that's what you missed, Hugo"
[movie]|17:11 Grocible says, "the ticking clock"
[wedding]|17:12 inky asks, "do you know anyone else coming who would be suited to step in?"
[wedding]|17:12 Storme says, "alas"
[movie]|17:12 McMartin says, "Man, if you tried that today the FBI would burn your entire neighborhood down"
[wedding]|17:12 inky says, "(besides Pez)"
[wedding]|17:12 Storme says, "I think it's at least as much about it being the wedding party as anything else"
[Hugo]|17:12 Ellison says, "although I guess I kind of said that with Hugor in mind, and it'd be kind of odd to bundle FB with a non-movie-playing interpreter"
[wedding]|17:12 Storme says, "(and the wedding party is only the grooms plus the best women)"
[rpg]|17:12 Roger says, "Ha, the Swedes... this jeepform game about someone drinking himself to death recommends that the players have a drink before starting."
[wedding]|17:13 Storme says, "oh well"
[youtube]|17:13 GDorn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBNss2PMj60
[wedding]|17:13 Storme says, "I may at least now take the time to point out in my wedding speech that he was clearly very determined to beat me to the altar"
[movie]|17:14 Hugo says, "The Ticking Man was part of a big rash of huge spec sales, most of which never got made, and those that did turned into bad movies."
[youtube]|17:14 inky says, "the sound is off, so I can't tell that it's not an episode of portlandia"
[movie]|17:14 Hugo says, "Cutthroat Island."
[movie]|17:14 Hugo says, "Medicine Man."
[movie]|17:14 inky says, "hooray"
[wedding]|17:14 Storme says, "(he proposed to his partner after I'd scheduled my wedding, and I am never going to stop accusing him of being a copycat)"
[movie]|17:15 inky says, "I assume cutthroat island was sent out with a map made of human skin"
[youtube]|17:15 GDorn says, "it is not, but the description says The Katie Willert Video Experience"
[movie]|17:15 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[movie]|17:15 Hugo says, "The skin of the audience members."
[movie]|17:15 Hugo says, "And they said: hey, still better than sitting through the movie."
[movie]|17:15 McMartin says, "Freely donated or else they'd... yeah"
[movie]|17:15 Ellison says, "I still haven't seen that"
[frowned-elitism]|17:15 Storme says, "meanwhile"
[frowned-elitism]|17:16 Storme says, "I am full of flu"
[movie]|17:16 McMartin asks, "Apparently you might as well flay yourself?"
[tangent]|17:16 McMartin says, "I keep wanting the past tense of 'flay' to be 'flew' by analogy with 'slay'"
[movie]|17:17 Grocible says, "I saw Cutthroat Island"
[movie]|17:17 Grocible says, "it was.... hm"
[movie]|17:17 Grocible says, "it wasn't very good"
[movie]|17:17 inky says, "no way, it was awesome"
[frowned-elitism]|17:17 Storme says, "stupid conventions, passing germs everywhere"
[movie]|17:17 Grocible says, "there was one bit I recall where geena davis is on a wagon and it crashes under a bridge thing in a building and she runs across the room and hops back on the wagon"
[movie]|17:17 McMartin says, "I have never heard of any of these movies"
[movie]|17:17 Grocible says, "it was one of those oh man good grief that was silly but vaguely awesome moments"
[movie]|17:18 Grocible says, "I also remember it was an early use of digital wire removal"
[lounge]|17:20 Fang is a veritable smorgasbord of visual variables.
[lounge]|17:20 djfletch can produce a dozen witnesses to swear he was elsewhere.
[lounge]|17:22 two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
[lounge]|17:23 Grocible says, "hm"
[lounge]|17:23 Grocible says, "okay I've come to the end of this round of spacetrawlers"
[lounge]|17:24 Fang asks, "is it really that good?"
[lounge]|17:24 Grocible says, "No"
[lounge]|17:24 inky says, "you have trawled all you can, and you can't trawl no more"
[lounge]|17:24 Grocible says, "But it's oddly compelling"
[lounge]|17:27 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[lounge]|17:30 Grocible says, "hm. never heard of this rock drummer dude"
[lounge]|17:31 Roger says, "We're all wondering who "Death Cab" is"
[lounge]|17:31 inky says, "hee hee"
[apple-sux]|17:35 josh_g says, "way belatedly, but if "open with" means sending downloaded files to an app, it must do something, since that's what one of my ebook apps does when I borrow from the library"
[apple-sux]|17:35 josh_g says, "or I guess I should say, that's what Safari does to the downloaded file"
[lounge]|17:38 Grocible asks, "what procrastination tool now?"
[band-name]|17:39 borowski says, "Fashion Forensics"
[lounge]|17:42 josh_g will call him Pootel; Henry Pootel for short.
[videogames]|17:44 Gunther says, "wow, rpg codex"
[videogames]|17:44 Gunther says, "I hadn't heard of this site and wish it had remained thus"
[politics]|17:48 Fang says, "hmm http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2012-04-19/news/mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-represent-everything-you-hate-about-capitalism/ "
[videogames]|17:49 Fang asks, "?"
[politics]|17:49 Matthew asks, "What if you don't hate capitalism?"
[politics]|17:49 Gunther says, "then you must be ELECTRONIC ARTS"
[politics]|17:50 Fang says, "If there's absolutely no aspect of capitalism you hate, then I guess you'd be totally okay with Romney's corrupt practices"
[videogames]|17:50 Gunther says, ""OMG banner saga wants to port to CONSOLES let's all withdraw our money now""
[videogames]|17:51 Gunther says, "and SA sums up their Wasteland 2 thread as"
[videogames]|17:51 Gunther | that the RPGCodex $5000 donation should get them the "fabled lands of Codexia" where "Sepirothwifebeaterxx" killed "Darkonutz" in an epic dual, and the troll "sexyninjarobot" was the last survivor who had to bring word to the rest of the wasteland, and how there should be that little angry demon/goblin statue thing littered across the Wasteland and finding them should get you achievements and yeah
[videogames]|17:51 Matthew says, "what"
[videogames]|17:53 Gunther says, "naturally, also sexists, bigots, probably racists too but I'm only on page 2 so not sure yet."
[lounge]|17:55 DorianX says, "Okay. Everyone at work laughed at both my Dick Clark Highlander joke and my Winnie-the-Pooh joke"
[lounge]|17:55 DorianX says, "I felt great."
[lounge]|17:55 Matthew says, "I missed these jokes."
[lounge]|17:56 Matthew asks, "Did you share them on the MUD?"
[lounge]|17:56 DorianX says, "1:"
[lounge]|17:56 Gunther asks, "I saw one on Twitter?"
[lounge]|17:56 DorianX says, "I have told the winnie-the-pooh one before in different conexts, but it's timel"
[lounge]|17:56 DorianX says, "Timely"
[lounge]|17:56 DorianX says, "Yeah. I know I told the Dick Clark one on twitter. Don;'t know if I told it here"
[lounge]|17:57 Matthew asks, "Rather than mentioning where you told the jokes, perhaps just tell them?"
[lounge]|17:57 zarf walks off through the wall; vivid gold light flares briefly around him.
[lounge]|17:57 inky says, "he's citing his sources!"
[videogames]|17:57 Gunther says, "example quote:"
[lounge]|17:57 DorianX says, "Dick Clark's official cause of death hasn't been released, but witnesses nearby heard Ryan Seacrest shouting "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!""
[videogames]|17:57 Gunther | Take Ass Erect as an example. A vocal minority of faggots got the devs to make their (admittedly crap) game into a queer eye for the interspecies transvestite happy groupsex time. Now, emboldened by their success, they're trying to push for an even more prominent presence everywhere.
[lounge]|17:57 Matthew exclaims (at inky), "His source is himself!"
[lounge]|17:57 Matthew says, "Ah."
[lounge]|17:57 Matthew says, "I saw a similar joke, but the word 'horcrux' was involved."
[lounge]|17:58 DorianX says, "2:"
[blogenfreude]|17:58 GDorn | http://www.sadanduseless.com/2012/04/twitter-cologne/
[lounge]|17:58 Storme was a still life lived on mobile phones.
[lounge]|17:58 * Storme has disconnected.
[blogenfreude]|17:58 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|17:58 Ellison says, "yeah, the horcrux version was funnier, and I don't even like HP"
[lounge]|17:58 DorianX says, "I was worried thatI woul;dn't be able to leave work at the end of the day because I parked crooked and the SUV in the spot next to me was oo close to get the door open"
[tangent]|17:58 vimes says, "i'm always hoping that a Highlander someday will shout "BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKILL""
[tangent]|17:58 vimes says, "er, GRAYSKULL"
[lounge]|17:59 DorianX says, "And I said to my cow orkers, "I should not have eaten all of Rabbit's honey last night.""
[lounge]|17:59 vimes says, "heh"
[lounge]|17:59 vimes says, "oh bother, indeed"
[blogenfreude]|17:59 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|17:59 Gunther says, "oh look, swastikas"
[videogames]|18:01 inky says, "basically the thing about these guys is they are curmudgeons"
[videogames]|18:01 inky says, "that is what draws them together"
[videogames]|18:02 inky says, "normally it's about modern videogames or rpgs or whatever, but it's not surprising that some chunk of the people who don't like these modern game developments are also against things like women voting and interracial marriage"
[videogames]|18:02 Gunther says, "that doesn't make it less of a cesspool"
[videogames]|18:02 inky says, "oh sure"
[videogames]|18:02 K-Y says, "when RPS uses phrases like 'one true platform' you are going to run these risks"
[lounge]|18:02 DorianX says, "The horcrux one is pretty funny I guess. It just seems kinda icky to me to imagine Dick CLark having murdered seven dudes to infuse pieces of his soul into various objects."
[lounge]|18:03 Gunther says, "Cheney, on the other hand"
[videogames]|18:03 Gunther says, "anyway, it's not working, so suck it, fuckos"
[lounge]|18:04 DorianX says, "Yeah, but for cheney it would work better back when he shot that guy"
[lounge]|18:04 Gunther says, "just his luck that he shot another lich"
[videogames]|18:06 McMartin asks, "What's the 'it' that's not working?"
[videogames]|18:06 Gunther says, "reducing Banner Saga's funding to < $600,000 so they won't do console ports"
[videogames]|18:06 Gunther says, "I can't believe I just had to type this"
[lounge]|18:07 Cathy goes home.
[videogames]|18:07 McMartin says, "Also, I am continually bemused at the way SA is both a snarling mass of jackals *and* fairly close to what I'd consider Maximum Practical Puritanical liberal"
[videogames]|18:07 Gunther says, "SA works a bit like Harlan Ellison, I suppose"
[videogames]|18:07 Gunther says, "good side: best friend ever, will literally kill for you"
[videogames]|18:08 Gunther says, "bad side: worst enemy ever, will literally kill you"
[videogames]|18:08 inky says, "I imagine age has a lot to do with  it"
[videogames]|18:08 vimes says, "llamas with hats"
[videogames]|18:09 McMartin says (to Gunther), "It's more that given the forms of both the good and bad sizes shown, one would expect their... hrm, metrics to be closer to RPG Codex than not"
[videogames]|18:09 McMartin says, "Since those *also* seem to go together a lot"
[videogames]|18:09 Gunther says, "it might help that 90% of the posts on Codex would get you banned on SA"
[videogames]|18:11 McMartin says, "I guess the reverse is probably also true"
[videogames]|18:13 Gunther says, "also, SA costs $10 to post, minimum"
[videogames]|18:14 K-Y says, "these days some subforums seem to self-select for basically inoffensive tameness"
[videogames]|18:14 McMartin says, "Well"
[videogames]|18:15 McMartin says, "It's not like Goons With Spoons was ever particularly infamous, AFAIK"
[videogames]|18:16 Gunther says, "there WAS that dogfood mod challenge"
[videogames]|18:16 Gunther says, "also the chilli one"
[videogames]|18:16 Gunther says, "but I guess that's nothing in comparison"
[videogames]|18:17 K-Y says, "Games is surprisingly diverse just because it's big"
[videogames]|18:17 McMartin says, "Right"
[videogames]|18:18 K-Y says, "but some of the others are just people who talk about the same thing over and over again"
[videogames]|18:19 Gunther says, "sadly slowbeef and Zorak are far too kind mods"
[videogames]|18:20 K-Y says, "and every subforum seems to manage to have some shared opinion that is contrary to how it is everywhere else"
[videogames]|18:20 K-Y says, "for example, BSS has a disproportionate number of Grant Morrison fans"
[videogames]|18:20 Gunther says, "Games, for example, hates Dragon Age 2... oh wait"
[videogames]|18:21 McMartin | Alpha Protocol: Hated by the same critics who loved Dragon Age 2
[personals]|18:21 genericgeekgirl | To the right under education I put I graduated from space camp because, well, it's true, and they wouldn't let me put both!
[videogames]|18:22 Gunther says, "yeah, I meant everyone hates DA2"
[videogames]|18:23 Gunther says, "oh yeah, I guess that hatefest LP got gassed and endless drama ensued"
[videogames]|18:23 Fang says, "the DA2 hate in SA is really obnoxious"
[videogames]|18:23 Fang says, "it has to butt in to everything"
[videogames]|18:23 Fang says, "see the aforementioned Alpha Protocol thread"
[videogames]|18:23 K-Y says (to Gunther), "note that SA also hates Deathspank"
[videogames]|18:23 Gunther says, "gasp"
[videogames]|18:24 McMartin says, "I've somehow managed to avoid the straight-up DA2 hate"
[videogames]|18:24 McMartin says, "Probably by also avoiding most RPG threads."
[videogames]|18:25 Fang says, "I avoided it by stopping reading a thread the moment it's mentioned"
[videogames]|18:25 Gunther asks, "I tried DA2 and found it ... bland?"
[videogames]|18:25 Fang says (to Gunther), "it's by all accounts a pretty flawed and/or mediocre game"
[videogames]|18:26 Fang says, "but apparently what people have decided is the Worst Thing Ever"
[videogames]|18:26 Gunther says, "just the demo, though"
[videogames]|18:26 Gunther says, "it seemed kinda interesting that they took it in a totally different direction but then the reviews rolled in and I hadn't even finished the first, so I skipped it"
[videogames]|18:26 Gunther says, "I guess I should finish the first already"
[videogames]|18:27 Fang says, "I can't remember what else they super-super-hated"
[videogames]|18:27 Fang says, "oh right, Heavy Rain"
[videogames]|18:28 McMartin asks, "That's the horror game where you stunlock monsters by looking at them?"
[videogames]|18:28 McMartin says, "No, wait, that's Alan Wake, I always get those two confused."
[videogames]|18:28 Gunther asks, "because of Heavy Rain, or because of its director?"
[videogames]|18:28 Fang says, "that's David Cage's interactive movie experiment"
[videogames]|18:28 Gunther says, "David Cage, the French Peter Molyneux, despite the latter having the French name"
[videogames]|18:29 Fang says (to Gunther), "as far as I can see, they opposed it on the basis of its concept"
[videogames]|18:29 Fang says, "that is to say, there's a certain segment that opposes the whole idea of even having a narrative in a game"
[videogames]|18:29 Gunther asks, "what about LA Noire?"
[videogames]|18:30 Fang says, "I didn't read the thread"
[videogames]|18:30 Fang says, "there's also the griefing thread"
[videogames]|18:30 McMartin says, "That's very clearly not a universal though"
[videogames]|18:30 Fang says, "which is the most facepalmy thread ever"
[videogames]|18:30 Gunther says, "that is the ... yeah"
[videogames]|18:31 Roger says, "Back in my day the blocks just kept falling for no good reason, and that's the way we liked it, comrade."
[videogames]|18:31 K-Y says, "I'm pretty sure SA hates Heavy Rain because of the Indigo Prophecy LP hivemind"
[videogames]|18:31 Fang says, "wherein suggesting that being jerks is bad is enough to get you hounded out for being a 'carebear'"
[videogames]|18:31 Fang says (to K-Y), "that's certainly a factor"
[videogames]|18:31 Roger says, "Haha"
[minicomp]|18:32 maga says, "55 images"
[videogames]|18:32 Johnny says, "Well, there's also the Heavy Rain LP itself."
[videogames]|18:32 Fang says, "LPs are interestingly effective at pushing certain perspectives of games"
[videogames]|18:32 McMartin says (to Fang), "Well, that is sort of like posting a thread in Games about how games are all a waste of time"
[minicomp]|18:32 Roger asks, "What's the deadline for image submission?"
[minicomp]|18:32 maga says, "May 4"
[videogames]|18:32 K-Y says, "in fact a lot of the game opinions are just based on LPs in general"
[videogames]|18:33 Fang says, "well, a thread about grief is not necessarily a thread promoting griefing"
[videogames]|18:33 DorianX asks, "there's a HR lp?"
[videogames]|18:33 McMartin says, "I freely admit that my opinions of King's Bounty, the earliest Might & Magics, and EU3 are all heavily LP-warped"
[videogames]|18:33 DorianX asks, "Sutitles or voiceover?"
[videogames]|18:33 Fang says, "but as I was saying, it's interesting how making a video of yourself playing a game while stating an opinion"
[minicomp]|18:33 maga says, "timeframes are rather different for creating original art and selecting cool things from your photos folder"
[videogames]|18:33 Fang says, "will induce people to agree with you"
[videogames]|18:34 Fang says, "almost no matter what position you espouse"
[videogames]|18:34 McMartin says, "Heh"
[videogames]|18:34 McMartin says, "Hmmm"
[minicomp]|18:34 Roger says, "Mmm yeah."
[videogames]|18:34 Johnny | http://lparchive.org/Heavy-Rain/
[videogames]|18:34 DorianX says (to fang), "I am imagining hilarious hiperbole"
[videogames]|18:34 McMartin says, "I can't decide whether the Saga of Steve changed my mind or not."
[videogames]|18:34 maga says, "doesn't work for Wintericecrystal"
[videogames]|18:34 McMartin says, "To the extent it did, a large part of it was clearly evidence-based, though"
[videogames]|18:34 K-Y says, "on the other hand, there are disproportionately too many FF fans on SA"
[videogames]|18:34 Gunther says, "tho normally what I consider the best LPs aren't necessarily opinionated, some of the best ones are anyway"
[videogames]|18:35 McMartin asks (of K-Y), "Final or Fighting?"
[videogames]|18:35 Fang says, "Research Indicates almost got me to think that trespasser was a good game"
[videogames]|18:35 K-Y says, "Final"
[startrek]|18:35 Grocible says, "whee"
[startrek]|18:35 Grocible says, " http://www.startreklondon.com/guests "
[videogames]|18:35 DorianX asks, "hm. Do the FF lps cut out the grinding?"
[videogames]|18:35 Gunther says, "I cannot for the life of me see the appeal of FF no matter how much I see of it (actually my opinion sinks the more I see)"
[videogames]|18:35 DorianX says, "Because I could go for a bullshit-free viewing of FF"
[videogames]|18:36 Fang asks (of Gunther), "you really can't?"
[videogames]|18:36 McMartin says, "Nakar did convince me that the true moral of U4 is that the path to becoming a wildly famous paragon of virtue is by leading a life of crime and then going legit and using the proceeds to do good works"
[videogames]|18:36 McMartin says, "Accidentally over-accurate moral"
[videogames]|18:36 Gunther says (to Fang), "everything about them turns me off"
[videogames]|18:36 DorianX says, "I don';t really see anything in ff tht isn't in lots of japanesemedia"
[videogames]|18:36 Fang says, "I liked the SNES FFs a lot"
[videogames]|18:36 DorianX says, "but it's *all* in there"
[videogames]|18:36 Fang says, "and count, say, Chrono Trigger, as one of my all time favourite games"
[videogames]|18:36 Gunther says, "the idiotic characters. the overacting. the endless combat and grinding. the """""plot"""""."
[videogames]|18:37 McMartin says, "FFT was fun."
[videogames]|18:37 Fang says, "ugh"
[videogames]|18:37 Fang says, "except FFT"
[videogames]|18:37 McMartin says, "That's the only one I remember liking."
[videogames]|18:37 Fang says, "I hated FFT"
[videogames]|18:37 McMartin says, "I *completed* 7."
[videogames]|18:38 Fang asks (of McMartin), "what about Chrono Trigger?"
[videogames]|18:38 McMartin says, "Every other FF game - even 5, to my surprise, since I like FFT - rapidly hit a point where I asked myself why I was playing still and had no answer"
[videogames]|18:38 McMartin says, "I have yet to attempt Chrono Trigger. I did not own a SNES."
[videogames]|18:38 McMartin says, "Also, by at this point fairly extensive evidence, I'm not really a fan of JRPGs generally"
[videogames]|18:38 Gunther says, "ditto"
[videogames]|18:39 McMartin says, "I'm more tempted by Etrian Oddyssey or the more punitive SMTs than any FF or FF-like."
[videogames]|18:39 Fang says (to Gunther), "I guess the answer is that they are very polished multimedia experiences offering lots of exploration"
[videogames]|18:39 Gunther says, "I am however a fan of sleep, thus goodnight"
[lounge]|18:39 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
[videogames]|18:39 Fang says, "and plots that are in general, while not deep"
[videogames]|18:39 DorianX says, "The plot of all FF basically boil down to "I'm gonna destroy the world because I am a nihilist" "No! I will stop you because I am an existentialist!""
[videogames]|18:39 Fang says, "contain likeable characters"
[videogames]|18:39 McMartin says, "FF6 and FF7 both were pretty forcibly linear."
[videogames]|18:40 Fang says, "Linear does not preclude lots of side tunnels to look in"
[videogames]|18:43 vimes says (to DorianX), "you've forgotten the critical "I have amnesia and have to find the power of HEART to become an existentialist" portion"
[videogames]|18:44 K-Y says, "I like some JRPGs, but not FF in particular"
[videogames]|18:44 K-Y says, "they always seem to be trying to get you invested in things that aren't properly explained"
[videogames]|18:44 K-Y says, "this applies to both the setting and the mechanics"
[videogames]|18:45 McMartin says, "Also, 'linear with lots of side tunnels' to me becomes 'play off the walkthrough' with astounding speed"
[lounge]|18:46 Roger says, "Woo long weekend."
[videogames]|18:46 McMartin says, "Even Fallout's open map has aspects that make me a little twitchy"
[lounge]|18:46 borowski says, "Long weekend? Arbor Day isn't until next week."
[videogames]|18:49 DorianX says, "FF wasn;t linear"
[videogames]|18:49 DorianX says, "I mean, that was one of the complaints, tht it wasn;'t nice and linear like FFIV"
[videogames]|18:50 K-Y says, "I'm the opposite"
[videogames]|18:51 McMartin says, "My idea of 'exploration-based' is closer to the early Dragon Warrior games, even though those had no plot to speak of"
[videogames]|18:51 McMartin says, "And, well, that kind of play experience was better provided by M&M anyhow"
[videogames]|18:52 K-Y says, "I go for the walkthrough when things are too nonlinear"
[videogames]|18:52 vimes says, "i use a walkthrough when things are nonlinear to make sure i don't accidentally advance the main plot"
[videogames]|18:52 McMartin says, "If you're not a fan of the M&M gameplay, you'd say that it's actually linear but indicates you're going the wrong way by murdering the shit out of you with overlevel enemies"
[videogames]|18:53 McMartin says, "However, I rather enjoyed watching the game gradually become open world, and at greater speed once I worked out some acceptably abusive combos"
[videogames]|18:53 K-Y says, "even FFs have that now"
[videogames]|18:53 K-Y says, "well, 12 did"
[videogames]|18:54 McMartin says, "12 also had challenges that were basically 'program your AIs and then walk away for three hours', which I do not consider a sign of good design"
[videogames]|18:55 K-Y asks, "but how else will you fight a boss that takes three hours?!?"
[videogames]|18:55 McMartin says, "Solving The Wrong Problem, etc"
[videogames]|18:55 McMartin says, "More seriously, with only a small handful of exceptions, FF tends heavily towards finely quantized attrition-based combat mechanics, and this system is not to my taste"
[videogames]|18:56 McMartin says, "The opposite end of that would be, say, Paper Mario, which I liked a lot"
[videogames]|18:56 K-Y says, "yeah, that sounds familiar"
[videogames]|18:57 K-Y says, "I personally just like the games that take the old turn-based systems and make it look actiony"
[videogames]|18:57 DorianX says, "Guess i'm going to need to finally write a downloader for lparchive.org"
[videogames]|18:57 McMartin says, "Ah, the Brian Fargo Classic"
[videogames]|18:57 McMartin says, "Battle Chess!"
[videogames]|18:57 DorianX says, "I'e got a script for downloading LetsPlays from archive.org"
[videogames]|18:57 K-Y says, "that does sound appealing"
[videogames]|18:58 McMartin says, "Fallout *technically* meets the requirements I usually set for Systems I Like but it does it in a way guaranteeing Maximum Annoyance"
[videogames]|18:58 McMartin says, "By which I mean they might as well put WE EXPECT YOU TO SAVESCUM in bold type in the manual"
[videogames]|18:58 McMartin says, "Oh wait, they do"
[videogames]|18:58 Fang says, "I really disliked the Fallout system"
[videogames]|18:58 Fang says, "combat system, that is"
[videogames]|18:58 McMartin says, "The Fallout system is amazingly bad."
[videogames]|18:59 DorianX says, "I liked the duelin g system in New Horizons/Uncharted Waters"
[videogames]|18:59 McMartin says, "The thing is, I usually like extremely binary systems, where combat is not that common, and when it happens it's relatively short and extremely decisive."
[videogames]|18:59 Fang says, "so, I don't really understand why it gets cited as something to emulate"
[videogames]|18:59 McMartin says, "Well, AP systems on a hex grid are fine"
[videogames]|18:59 DorianX says, "Enough that I plan to rip it off if I ever write that rpg I was thinking of"
[videogames]|18:59 McMartin says, "The part that is Not Fine is that armor is absurdly good, and this is balanced by a crit that ignores armor"
[videogames]|18:59 McMartin says, "But damage is tuned to 'does small damage through decent armor'"
[videogames]|18:59 Fang says (to McMartin), "the problem with fallout is that the player has very few options, and even fewer options that are reasonable"
[videogames]|19:00 McMartin says, "So with *good* armor it's no damage, no damage, no damage, crit for no damage, crit for 4x your MaxHP, game over, reload."
[videogames]|19:00 Fang says, "sure, you can choose one of 10 bodyparts to aim at"
[lounge]|19:00 (From DavidW) Roger says, "It's, um, Maple Festival weekend. Special Canadian holiday. Yeah, that's it."
[videogames]|19:00 Fang says, "but realistically? You'll only ever going to be aiming for the eyes"
[videogames]|19:00 Fang says, "or not at all"
[videogames]|19:00 K-Y says, "ha ha"
[videogames]|19:00 McMartin says, "See, this is the interesting thing, more or less"
[videogames]|19:00 Johnny says, "GROIN"
[videogames]|19:00 McMartin says, "The Fallout fanbase seems to be perverse this way"
[videogames]|19:01 Fang says, "well, groin if you want to amuse yourself for 5 minutes"
[videogames]|19:01 McMartin says, "What guides I've read have a very different tone from every other RPG in this system"
[videogames]|19:01 McMartin says, "Ha ha"
[videogames]|19:01 McMartin says, "You know, on Radscorpions that hit location is labeled 'brain'"
[videogames]|19:01 K-Y says, "yeah, the old 'it will just work out if things are *realistic*'"
[videogames]|19:01 McMartin says, "I kept wondering why brain hits did so little damage"
[lounge]|19:01 Firion enters the lounge, not knowing why, but programmed to purchase... STAR FRONTIERS
[videogames]|19:01 Johnny says, "And it's udders for brahmin."
[videogames]|19:01 Johnny says, "It was basically a joke slot."
[videogames]|19:02 McMartin says, "Instead of saying 'a stealth character can get some bonus goodies from this chest over here' they say 'there are some useless items in that chest over there because Stealth is worthless; to simulate the effect, use the infinite money you get from having Gambling at 40%+ and just buy the items from merchants'"
[videogames]|19:02 Fang says, "fallout basically convinced me that single character turn based combat is irrepairably broken"
[videogames]|19:03 McMartin says, "Slap That Fish"
[videogames]|19:04 McMartin says, "Of course, I played Slap That Fish *before* Fallout"
[videogames]|19:04 K-Y says, "'simulate the effect of playing this game by bashing some old action figures together'"
[videogames]|19:04 McMartin says, "I do eventually want to make the 7+-critical-hit-a-turn character."
[videogames]|19:04 McMartin says, "Just as an exercise in character design abuse."
[videogames]|19:04 McMartin says, "Maybe I can do that in FO2."
[videogames]|19:04 Fang says, "the flare thrower, you mean"
[videogames]|19:05 McMartin says, "No, this is Slayer/Fast HtH/Action Kid"
[videogames]|19:05 Fang says (to McMartin), "there was a build suggested"
[videogames]|19:05 K-Y asks, "don't most of these games work out to being 'abuse the one broken skill'?"
[videogames]|19:05 McMartin says, "Deus Ex noticably failed to"
[videogames]|19:05 Fang says, "where you put everything into throwing weapons"
[videogames]|19:05 Fang says, "and get the critical hit perks"
[lounge]|19:06 Roger goes home.
[lounge]|19:06 * Roger has disconnected.
[videogames]|19:06 McMartin says, "Alpha Protocol was better at not doing so than I expected, mainly by making almost every skill broken"
[videogames]|19:06 Fang says, "then you can throw flares for 1 AP"
[videogames]|19:06 Fang says, "that will always crit"
[videogames]|19:06 McMartin says, "So, the Slayer perk is '100% crit chance in HtH'"
[videogames]|19:06 McMartin says, "And you wanted to pair it up with Power Fist or the various chainsaw weapons."
[videogames]|19:07 McMartin says, "Which used HtH, which you could also get to 1AP."
[videogames]|19:07 Fang says, "sure, but flares are ranged"
[videogames]|19:07 McMartin says, "Already did ranged combat"
[videogames]|19:07 Fang says, "it also specs off agility"
[videogames]|19:08 Fang says, "which gives you more AP anyway"
[videogames]|19:08 Fang says, "so basically there's this degenerate build"
[videogames]|19:08 McMartin says, "Yeah, so, my FO run seems to be noticably different, because I did a degenerate Charisma/Speech build and he's at best kind of mediocre at everything else"
[videogames]|19:08 McMartin says, "But Small Guns."
[videogames]|19:08 McMartin says, "It's working out surprisingly well, though"
[videogames]|19:09 Fang says, "as long as you have enough small guns, you'll be okay"
[videogames]|19:09 McMartin says, "In part because sniper rifles count as 'small guns' and so I can drop deathclaws before they close the space between us."
[videogames]|19:09 Fang says, "just make sure you don't use energy weapons in F2"
[videogames]|19:09 McMartin says, "Oh, right"
[videogames]|19:09 Fang says, "for some reason, they decided to make *all* the enemies in the endgame immune to energy weapons"
[videogames]|19:10 Fang says, "it's crazy"
[videogames]|19:10 McMartin says, "Yay, reverse Swords Of Xeen"
[videogames]|19:10 McMartin says, "Oh,r ight"
[videogames]|19:10 K-Y says, "but mirroring SS2"
[videogames]|19:10 K-Y says, "'oops, flesh stage'"
[videogames]|19:11 McMartin says, "A lot of the guides for Fallout 1 also have 'Energy Weapons is the only skill worth getting because the joke weapon that spawns in a random encounter is the best weapon in the game; savescum and wander Death Valley until you find it and then make the rest of the game trivial'"
[videogames]|19:11 McMartin says, "'All other ways of playing are wrong'"
[videogames]|19:11 McMartin says, "It's that latter bit that puzzles me"
[videogames]|19:11 Fang says, "well, in SS2, at least you did *some damage* if you went (unwisely) for the laser guns"
[videogames]|19:11 K-Y says, "those are the worst guides"
[videogames]|19:11 McMartin says, "In Deus Ex, doing a viable runthrough with skill focuses in swimming and hat-wearing is Being The Best."
[videogames]|19:12 McMartin says (to K-Y), "Basically EVERYTHING I HAVE FOUND SO FAR for Fallout is like this"
[videogames]|19:12 McMartin says, "I'm wondering if this is connected to the fanbase's infamy"
[videogames]|19:15 K-Y says, "for what I'm playing now, all the guides are of the two worst kinds"
[videogames]|19:16 McMartin asks, "What's the other worst kind?"
[videogames]|19:17 K-Y says, "'the next objective is to kill all the enemies'"
[videogames]|19:17 K-Y says, "'so go do that'"
[videogames]|19:17 McMartin says, "> SHOOT MANS"
[videogames]|19:20 K-Y says, "the other guide goes 'forget the first playthrough, this guide tells you hoew to beat the game on new game plus with the DLC gun that one shots everything'"
[videogames]|19:21 McMartin says, "> USE GUN ON MAN. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G."
[videogames]|19:22 McMartin says, "Yeah, I don't get this attitude"
[videogames]|19:22 McMartin says, "But then, I'm usually hitting guides to study corners of the game"
[lounge]|19:24 Lucea had the olive complexion.
[lounge]|19:24 Lucea says, "Hi"
[lounge]|19:24 Ellison says, "hey Lucea"
[lounge]|19:29 inky says, "ok off"
[lounge]|19:29 inky did not seem to exist in a specific time period as he has also been a Roman gladiator, a Medieval knight, and a rocket scientist.
[personals]|19:38 borowski | why did i have a dream about nick errato?
[politics]|19:46 Johnny says (to McCain), "Die already."
[lounge]|19:48 Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
[lounge]|19:48 Olly says, "Hello, MUDfolk."
[lounge]|19:49 Johnny says, "Hi Olly"
[lounge]|19:49 Johnny says, "Thanks for the aloe!"
[lounge]|19:49 Olly says, "You're welcome."
[lounge]|19:50 Olly says, "Enjoy your new house."
[lounge]|19:50 borowski says, "Hi Olly"
[lounge]|19:51 Olly waves to ouroboroski.
[lounge]|19:54 Fang is told of the death of Christ, and becomes so angry that the brain bursts from his head, and he dies. The blood from the wound baptises him as a Christian, and his soul goes to heaven.
[lounge]|19:58 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 1000 of 3431 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Thursday, 19 Apr 2012, 07:58:06 PM EDT
There is one new message on #misc/personal/zarfplan.
There is one new message on #tech/advocacy/apple-sux.
There is one new message on #web/wikipedia.
Johnny says, "Hey Rob"
Johnny sniffs .
Rob says, "glort"
Olly says (to Rob), "tybeg"
Olly says (to Rob), "Alos, hi."
Olly says, "*also"
[tangent-tangent] Rob says, "hmm I never heard of Danny Dunn. is this a generational thing, or did none of the libraries or schools I went to have copies"
Recchi goes home.
Recchi has disconnected.
[tangent-tangent] Olly says, "I've never heard of Danny Dunn either."
[tangent-tangent] Rob says, "hm, 50s, I guess not generational the way I meant it"
[tangent] Olly asks, "Why is #tangent-hedgehog a global synonym for #tangent?"
<Jota> Black lightning pierces your mind for an instant.
[tangent] lpsmith says, "Ha ha ha"
[tangent] lpsmith says, "I have no idea."
[tangent-tangent] lpsmith says, "I read Danny Dunn in elementary school and loved it."
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Report: Binder is in the Closet.  katre is In Hiding.  Jota is in Jota's Metaphysical Palace.  K-Y is in the Ventilation Shaft Room.  schep is at Schep's Pad.  Everyone else (except bots) is in the Lounge."
Recapping 31 of 31 lines from alt/obits:
[obits]/001 Ryan says, "Aw, Dick Clark."
[obits]/002 Roger exclaims, "!"
[obits]/003 Olly says, "Wow, I thought he was immortal."
[obits]/004 * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Ryan has posted message 440, about 'Dick Clark, 82', to the bulletin board!"
[obits]/005 Roger asks, "Just how old was he?"
[obits]/006 Roger says, "Oh about that old."
[obits]/007 Gunther says, "the world's oldest teenager would have to be 113+"
[obits]/008 Ryan | @EricDSnider: So I guess Ryan Seacrest finally found the last horcrux.
[obits]/009 DorianX says, "aw man"
[obits]/010 Rob says, "on NPR today they kept calling him 'the world's oldest teenager'"
[obits]/011 DorianX says, "So, Dick Clark was only 82"
[obits]/012 inky says, "that must have been a nickname or something"
[obits]/013 Rob says, "having seen him this most recent new year's eve looking like a cadaverous ancient man it kind of seemed like poor taste rather than a respectful celebratory epithet"
[obits]/014 DorianX says, "That is not nearly as old as he seemed"
[obits]/015 Rob says, "yeah I mean up until about 1986 he looked pretty good"
[obits]/016 inky says, "or like a promulgated envisioning"
[obits]/017 Rob says, "but 2001-2012, nuhh"
[obits]/018 Doug says, "aw."
[obits]/019 nm asks, "Dick Clark *died*?"
[obits]/020 nm says, "how is that possible"
[obits]/021 Jota says, "I see, from recap, that I'm not the only one who doubted the plausibility."
[obits]/022 Matthew says, "I thought Clark looked/sounded/seemed pretty good up until he had his stroke a couple of years ago.  After that... yeah, he should have retired."
[obits]/023 Jota says, "Yeah, he spent several decades being forty as I recall."
[obits]/024 Jota says, "Until *bam*, one hundred."
[obits]/025 Jota says, "Maybe something happened to the painting."
[obits]/026 Gunther says, "Kinkade died shortly before..."
[obits]/027 lpsmith asks, "Has anybody mentioned that Far Side?"
[obits]/028 lpsmith | One of Gary Larson's The Far Side cartoons has the caption, "Suddenly, on a national talk show in front of millions of viewers, Dick Clark ages 200 years in 30 seconds."
[obits]/029 inky says, "ha ha"
[obits]/030 lpsmith says, "The Larson laywers must be doing pretty well, though, since I can't find an actual picture of it."
[obits]/031 Jota says, "Man."
Recapped 31 of 31 lines from alt/obits.
[ollyprattle] Jota exclaims, "That's not true!"
[tangent-tangent] lpsmith says, "I still have sharp memories of many of the books."
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Jota has moved."
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Jota is now in the Long Hall."
[ollyprattle] Jota says, "I don't know what you're talking about."
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Now Jota is in the Round Room."
[ollyprattle] Johnny says, "Aaah!"
[ollyprattle] Johnny says, "He's getting closer!"
[ollyprattle] Johnny says, "Er, farther away!"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Jota has entered a Teleportation Booth."
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Now Jota is in a Hallway.  This ends the report."
[blogenfreude] Jota says, "Man, that is disgusting and hilarious. (from recap)"
</borowski> My power is my mass times the plastic people of the future.
<borowski> Cable modems are basically meaningless, right?
[tangent] Olly says, "Last night I had a dream with a hedgehog in it.  I just remembered."
[tangent] two-star says, "Tangent to a hedgehog, it's too sharp to read."
[ollyprattle] borowski says, "That was intense.  I felt like I was in 'Aliens'"
[tangent-tangent] * borowski has joined the channel.
[tangent-tangent] Olly says, "Drat.  Now we can't talk about borowski on this channel anymore."
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Heh."
[tangent-tangent] borowski's sense of paranoia/self-importance increases by 10 points
Emily arrives.
Olly says, "Hello, Emily."
borowski says, "Hi Emily"
[two-story] two-star says, "Man, I've napped 2/3 of the day away."
[two-story] Olly says, "Hm."
[two-story] borowski says, "At least you didn't spend 2/3 of the day on a coke binge."
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Johnny says, "Hi Em"
[tangent-tangent] Johnny asks, "psi?"
[blogenfreude] DavidW | Dick Clark is now lost to us. Beloved entertainer, personality, an icon for as long as time. Who can forget that New Year's with someone special, listening to the countdown? His balls have dropped for the last time.
[two-story] Olly sings, "Always look on the bright side of life. Da-da, da-da, da-da da-da da-da."
[politics] DorianX asks, "so did Ted Nugent say something more specific than "This time next yeatr I'll be in prison or dead"?"
[tangent-tangent] borowski mind blasts Johnny
[politics] Olly says, "I think he urged people to cut the democrats' heads off or something."
[politics] McMartin says, "Yeah he did go into more detail to make it clearly that he didn't mean he was going to spend all of 2013 freebasing himself to death or arrest"
Emily says, "hi"
[politics] Olly | The Secret Service apparently came away convinced that Nugent is only a threat to decorum, not the chief executive of the US.
Firion goes home.
</Firion> It's a sad thing that your adventures have ended here!!
borowski is a dog which has met its main sandwich.
</borowski> My power is my mass times the plastic people of the future.
maga returns
Olly says, "Hello, maga."
[politics] Rob says, "a little farther back, via a clip I know only from a recent-ish daily show, he waved a large gun onstage and made rev-the-crowd-up mock-y threats about obama sucking on it"
<borowski> Cable modems are basically meaningless, right?
borowski enters the lounge.  You quickly hide your bagel.
Johnny says, "Hey maga"
[politics] Rob says, "just caught a blurb in yesterday's paper about reporters asking the white house press secretary for obama's comment about ted nugent, and it was this curt dismissive line quite close to 'The President has better things to do.'"
[politics] Rob says, "president-as-NPC"
[politics] two-star says, "Violence isn't the answer to this one."
[politics] borowski says, "heh"
</Jota> Thunder rumbles quietly overhead. Jota is gone.
[politics] Rob says, "You seem to be referring to something, but I don't know what you mean."
<inky> In fact, Superman should probably just stay out of Vermont entirely.
[politics] Rob says, ">remove war on drugs    That's fixed in place."
inky is famous for something besides goat cheese.
[politics] Johnny says, "Which president do you mean, the White one, the White one, the White one, ..."
Rob says, "hinky dinkly parlez vous"
[politics] Rob says, "That's not something you can refer to in the course of this administration."
[politics] Rob says, "I had a punchline but no setup for that one"
[movie] Rob says, "I'm thinking I might actually go see the three stooges movie"
[movie] Rob says, "I was going to blow it off and wait for the rental but the farrelly brothers were on Fresh Air this afternoon and it kind of put me in the mood when I heard them talk about it"
[movie] Rob says, "also, the nytimes gave it a good review, which is really weird"
[apropos-of-nothing] Olly | Thaneshwar Guragai spins a basketball on a toothbrush while holding the toothbrush in his mouth for exactly 22.41 seconds to break the last Guinness record of 13.5 seconds set by Thomas Connors
[movie] Rob says, "also I suddenly remember that I like their movies because they're always good-spirited no matter how dumb they are"
[movie] Rob says, "no matter how tasteless they get they never make anything mean-spirited"
[movie] borowski says, "Right, I don't expect it to be deep but it sounds fun."
[movie] Rob says, "I almost saw the 7pm show but now I'm aiming at the 9:50"
[movie] Rob says, "the older I get the more mean-spiritedness in a movie turns me off"
[movie] borowski says, "Only caught a bit of that interview, but the explanation on how to make slap stick comedy not cruel was interesting."
[movie] Rob says, "it reminds me of Don Rickles, whose whole career as a comedian has been insulting and making fun of everybody and the entire audience who comes to his shows, but it works because he makes fun of you without ever being mean-spirited"
[movie] Rob says, "I've heard other comedians talk about how he has this unerring radar for exactly what he can say to someone without hurting their feelings"
[movie] Rob says, "people lining up to be insulted by him"
[politics] McMartin says, "Red-baiting, Nixon administration"
[movie] Rob says (to borowski), "the bit about having to fix something in Dumb and Dumber to restore the funny (that was lost for 10 or 15 minutes) was interesting"
[movie] borowski says, "Yeah, that's what I heard."
[movie] Rob says, "later I was thinking about it and was confused about something about the anecdote"
[movie] Rob says, "the way they described it, it was as if they had seen a bloodless version work with an audience, then they tried a version with blood and saw that it tanked, and then they had to use a computer to remove the blood again to make it funny"
[movie] Rob says, "but there couldn't have been a version without blood that they saw and tested first"
[movie] Rob says, "since they said they had to use CGI to paint it out"
[movie] Rob says, "if they had a bloodless version they shot on film in the first place they would have just gone back to that shot instead of spending forty thousand dollars on computer cleanup"
[movie] Rob says, "so I have to assume they just had a comedic instinct about what was wrong"
[movie] borowski says, "I think they mentioned the non-bloody theatrical release first, then went back to explain what happened with a test audience reacting to the bloody version, which they then fixed for release."
[movie] lpsmith asks, "Or maybe it worked in rehearsal?"
[movie] lpsmith says, "Oh, OK."
[movie] Rob says (to borowski), "yeah except I'm finding a flaw in that narrative"
[movie] Rob says (to lpsmith), "hmm"
[movie] Rob says, "yeah probably"
[movie] Rob says, "I mean, they had it in the movie because it made themselves laugh, of course"
[movie] Rob says, "and they might have laughed on the set and watching dailies because *they knew it was fake and no one was hurt* and they laughed as if it had lost that stigma"
[movie] Rob says, "(or never had it)"
[movie] Rob says, "I guess the other way it could work is that there was a non-bloody version, but they liked the specific take with the blood in all other aspects of performance and whatnot, and didn't want to use a worse take, they wanted to clean up the best one"
[movie] Rob says, "this is the esoterica that runs through my mind while watching movies and listening to interviews"
[movie] borowski says, "I think it was just confusingly told:"
[movie] borowski | We had a scene where Jeff Daniels throws a snowball and hits Lauren Holly in the face, and it always - it got a huge laugh immediately. But when we had initially shot it, when she came up after being hit, she had a little dab of blood that we'd put under her nose, and boom, no more laughter. It just stopped. And not only did it stop, it stopped for about 10 or 15 minutes because people were shaken by the fact that she was bleeding from this snowball, and they weren't in a good mood for a few minutes.
[movie] Rob says, "ok, that's the quote. now recap and see if what I said about it makes sense as a 'what?'"
[dogs] Olly | a Siberian husky, broke loose from her chain on New Year's Day 2012 near Duluth, Minn. and was found safe seven weeks later 300 miles away
[movie] borowski says, "The way they tell it, it sounds like it was shot in front of a live audience."
[movie] Rob says, "ah, how about this: '- it got a huge laugh immediately' [from the movie crew]"
[movie] borowski says, "Ah."
[movie] Rob says, "the movie crew being entirely staffed with people who know there's no actual pain or consequence"
[movie] Rob says, "I'm also remembering that the snowball scene got a laugh from me when I first saw the movie"
[movie] borowski says, "I really need to rewatch it.  It's probably been ten years since I've seen it."
[movie] Rob asks, "also, whatever happened to lauren holly?"
[movie] Rob says, "I guess she got superseded by younger actresses in the queue"
[movie] borowski says, "According to wikipedia, she's been working a lot, but not in anything I've seen."
[movie] Rob says, "huh"
[movie] borowski says, "'The Town Christmas Forgot' Awww"
[movie] Rob says, "aw"
[movie] lpsmith says, "Looks like she was in NCIS for a few years."
[movie] Rob says, "oh that makes sense"
[movie] Rob says, "sometimes you gotta move to tv to keep working"
[movie] Rob says, "and tv is pretty good these days"
[movie] Rob says, "weirdly"
[movie] borowski says, "Apparently a lot of people that worked on movies have moved to TV."
[movie] Rob says, "yeah"
[movie] borowski says, "Because movies are so expensive that nobody wants to do anything risky or interesting."
[movie] Rob says, "I see many fewer movies these days than I used to"
[movie] Rob says, "because I get in the mood and look at the listings and go enh"
[movie] inky asks, "do you watch more tv?"
[WIP] Lucea says, "blergh, trying to figure how in medias res to go"
[movie] Rob says, "then again I watch a lot of things that are a year old on digital cable and go 'hey that wasn't bad'"
[movie] Rob says, "but I can also at the same time think 'I still wouldn't have gone to a theater for that'"
[movie] Rob says, "also it's getting crazy expensive to go to a movie"
[movie] Rob says, "now it's like a special event instead of a regular thing for me"
[movie] Rob says, "which is why it took me a while to decide yeah maybe I'll see the stooges while it's in theatrical release"
[movie] Rob says, "btw I totally endorse Titanic 3D, which is the last thing I saw"
[WIP] Rob says, "well there's that concept that you start the story for the audience as late as you can razor cut it"
[WIP] Rob says, "especially in IF, where you can salt exposition and backstory all over the place as people examine things and walk places"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Weird photo from a collection about American gun culture: http://tinyurl.com/7bnktn9 "
[movie] Johnny asks, "Did they give the iceberg an evil CG face?"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "there must be a 'Santa Brought Me an AK-47' novelty song by now"
[movie] Rob says, "heh heh"
[movie] Rob says, "it's the finest movie craftsmanship from detail to big picture money could and did buy"
[movie] Rob says, "frightens my synapses from frame to frame about how much work had to go into it"
[movie] Rob says, "but you have to like the romance and be into the story otherwise it's useless. but if you get into those things, it's a whing-ding of incredible proportions"
[movie] Rob says, "and the 3d conversion is the most flawless I've ever seen. looks like it was filmed that way"
[movie] borowski says, "I saw an interview with James Cameron on the Colbert Report, and I got the sense that he's a very hard working guy."
[movie] Rob says, "yeah"
[movie] Rob says, "incredibly so"
[WIP] Lucea says, "yeah"
[WIP] Lucea says, "in this case: too early and it's really boring; too late and A) you don't get initial character impressions, which in this case is important, and B) you think it's Tracy Valencia"
[movie] Rob says, "there's this rarified class of directors, where everyone in the thousands of crew busts their ass to the breaking point because they can all see that the guy at the top is working three thousand times as hard as they are"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Guns frighten me."
[movie] Rob says, "jackson has a nicer people personality than cameron"
[movie] Rob says, "but the instinct to excel they get out of their crews is the same for the same reason"
[WIP] Rob says, "you could leverage the 'you think it's tracy' impression to knock people over later with other dimensions on her character"
[movie] Johnny says, "I just can't get into some of his movies."
[WIP] Rob says, "also, clearly, the trick is starting at just the right spot, which is what you said in the first place"
[movie] (from Rob) Johnny says, "Piranha 2 was just not engaging enough for me as a cineaste"
[movie] Rob says, "I am going to sound crazy here"
[movie] Rob says, "but Cameron to me is like Michelangelo or Rodin"
[movie] Rob says, "born to do it, an absolute monster at doing it, but the stuff he does, sheesh almighty"
<Miseri> My soul belongs to Portneuf yet my heart belongs to cheese.
[movie] Rob says, "not at all common to be as good as he is at what he does"
Johnny does like justice, but that's taking it a bit far.
</Johnny> Mi acetos bananon
Miseri regularly eats multiples of things inky wouldn't eat more than zero of.
Miseri says, "arrr"
[movie] Rob says, "so if he's kind of an arrogant prick he's earned it from step one"
<Johnny> Thanks four showing this 2 us mandmscommercials!
Johnny insisted that the mobile hot-dog-on-a-bun did nothing wrong.
Rob says, "J man"
Olly says, "Arr."
[movie] Rob says, "crowd pleasing on a billion dollar scale, and artistically valid? good god"
[movie] Rob says, "the artistically valid part is the arguable part, but I'm on that side"
Johnny asks (of Rob), "Am I being set up for a Q-punch?"
Olly says, "re, Johnny."
Rob says, "computer, Q punch power to 98 percent"
Olly says (to Miseri), "I am the MUDder formerly known as Mary."
Login name: Olly                          In real life: Olly, formerly Mary
Location: Adventurer's Lounge             Gender: Neuter
Member since: 01-Jan-10 04:46:17
Currently logged in.                      Previous login: 18-Apr-12 22:51:58
Plan: Make your day nicer and nicer and nicer.
Rob asks, "are you?"
Olly says, "I am."
Rob says, "oh hi former Mary"
Olly says, "Hi."
Rob says, "I was going to ask you how you were doing since a couple of days ago when you were sad"
Rob asks, "did you change the name of your vanity channel?"
  # From         Date            Subject
  1 Olly         18-Apr-12 16:50 New channel and player names
  2 Olly         18-Apr-12 16:45 About pronouns
Olly says, "Yes."
Rob says, "reading bb #olly again"
#1 [misc/personal/ollyprattle]     From: Olly          Date: 18-Apr-12 16:50
Subject: New channel and player names
My channel, #maryprattle, is now called #ollyprattle, and I (the MUDder formerly known as Mary) am now Olly (for now, at least);  #mary and #maryprattle are global synonyms of #ollyprattle.  I've made this change because I am currently negotiating long-standing uncertainties about my gender identity.  This page may be informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer
#2 [misc/personal/ollyprattle]     From: Olly          Date: 18-Apr-12 16:45
Subject: About pronouns
I don't have strong feelings about what pronouns people use to refer to me.  I am content with female pronouns, male pronouns, gender-neutral pronouns, or any mixture.  As far as gender-neutral pronouns go, I currently favor the singular 'they.'  Spivak pronouns are nifty, too.  Wiki's coverage of gender-neutral pronouns in English is pretty interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun#English
Olly says, "#maryprattle is still a global synonym, though."
Rob says, "ok reading links also"
[WIP] Lucea says, "yeah"
[WIP] Lucea says, "(all this is really vague, I know)"
[WIP] Rob says, "that's ok"
[WIP] Rob says, "you have to start at a 'hook' moment of cours"
[WIP] Rob says, "e"
Miseri says (to Olly), "there's a "Mary's Prayer" joke in there somewhere."
[WIP] Rob says, "so find a moment in between too soon and too late where something actively happens"
Johnny says, "Hello"
[movie] Johnny says, "Actually, I've never seen Titanic just because it came on two VHS tapes."
[WIP] Rob says, "I find a lot of IF authors write a pre-first-turn bit of prologue story cutscene that I always say 'why didn't you make that interactive, and the first bit of the game?' about"
[movie] Rob says, "my favorite time watching it"
[movie] Rob says, "and I've seen it a lot, both in its original release and then owning the dvd"
[movie] Rob says, "was new year's eve, 1997/98"
[movie] Rob says, "when it was sort of at the peak of popularity"
[movie] Rob says, "I went with my dad"
[movie] borowski says, "Yeah, I went with my friend and his dad because me and my friend loved the Titanic."
[movie] Rob says, "and midnight came and went, and people had brought noisemakers and other new year's eve stuff to toot and honk, but at that point in the story, everyone was transfixed and holding their breath and totally involved, so it was utterly silent in the theater"
[movie] Rob says, "(it was when rose was floating on the door and jack was in the water)"
[movie] Johnny asks, "So you went to see a snuff film about it?"
[movie] borowski says, "We weren't really expecting the sex stuff."
[movie] Rob says, "I'm afraid I can't figure out what that joke means"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "I can't remember what thing I was sad about a couple of days ago.  I am not very sad today."
[movie] Johnny says, "(to borowski)"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "glad to hear it"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "also, because being depressed or sad is some sloshing of brain chemical balance and has nothing to do with what's the actual state of affairs"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "ok so is the thing that you are biologically female, but are now ready to commit to the world as being non-binary"
<Lionheart> "You'd rather have a male technician? Do you have a racial or religious preference, so I can tell dispatch who to send?"
[WIP] Lucea says, "(some context: PC, at least in this chapter -- it's a multiple-PC game -- is starting a new job)"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "also, Lionheart's connect was interestingly timed"
Lionheart makes no law abridging the freedom of s***ch, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to ***emble, and to pe***ion the government for a redress of grievances.
Olly says, "Hello, Lionheart."
[WIP] Rob says, "well you start with the boss giving the starting PC his or her first assignment"
[ollyprattle] Olly says (to Rob), "To the MUD, anyway.  I'm working up to the world."
[WIP] Rob says, "a player always needs a short immediate goal to work on to get into the game"
[ollyprattle] Rob says (to Olly), "ok"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "well I'm cool with it"
Johnny says, "Hi Heart"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "good to know what the situation is"
[ollyprattle] Olly smiles at Rob.
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "also, you were sad, then you made this change, and now you're feeling better, so ok"
[ollyprattle] Rob asks, "where'd you get 'Olly' from?"
[ollyprattle] Rob asks, "also, was your name ever actually 'Mary'?"
[ollyprattle] Olly says (to Rob), "My legal name is Molly, hence Olly.  Mary is the name I received when I was baptized."
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "ok"
[ollyprattle] Rob asks, "now my recollection is that you are/were/are christian #religion affiliated. is that the case?"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Yes.  I think that is what I was sad about, probably."
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "well, you've got to feel like all believers are loved, or else what is it all about"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "My religion (or at least my parish) and my gender identity questions are not getting along."
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "'if the world hates you, it hated me first' etc"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "yeah I know"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "people are superstitious and credulous"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "I feel conflicted about what to do about it."
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "I tried making the gender issues go away, but that didn't work very well, so I'm trying to come up with a new plan."
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "well it's always going to be an issue until this creepy world ends and is replaced by something better"
[ollyprattle] Olly nods.
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "ok, so at least one strange chatroom guy is non-judgmental, there's your hand-hold"
[ollyprattle] Olly smiles at Rob again.
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "It actually does help."
Gerynar enters the lounge but is facing the wrong way. After a couple minutes of staring at the wall, he turns around.
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Basically, I have to decide whether I'm going to stay where I am and try to live with the tension entails, or find a new church."
Olly says, "Hello, Gerynar."
Gerynar says, "Good evening ifMUDziens"
genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Gerynar"
[ollyprattle] lpsmith says, "One option might be to find someone at your church who understands, even if it's not one of the priests."
borowski says, "Hello Gerynar"
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "so, I've gotten a coworker interested in IF...made him download Frotz on his iPhone, he's been playing Lost Pig and now wants to write his own game"
Gerynar says, "Hey all"
jpt yays and had a couple of job interviews today (well, a phone screen and an in-person job interview).
[ollyprattle] Olly says (to lpsmith), "Yes, that is a good idea.  I may try to do that."
Johnny says, "Hi Gerynar"
[GerynarsAbode] Johnny says, "You understand that if the game is bad, it's partially your fault."
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "I know of one person who might be a candidate, but she is currently on sabbatical in Europe."
[GerynarsAbode] borowski says, "nice"
[GerynarsAbode] Johnny says, "And if it's good you get some kind of ribbon or something."
[ollyprattle] lpsmith says, "Arr."
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar looks forward to that ribbon
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "that would be good"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "I think she will be back soon.  By the fall, anyway."
Lionheart waves
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "it is also ok to look for a church where there's more understanding, but you have to be careful"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "a church that seems understanding and tolerant but which has teachings that seem aberrant is a wrong choice"
two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
</two-star> I don't want you to pray to the duck. I want you to ASK THE DUCK YOUR QUESTION.
[ollyprattle] Olly agrees.
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "so you have to be carefully discerning"
[GerynarsAbode] Olly says, "I need to play Lost Pig."
[GerynarsAbode] Gerynar says, "it's a fun game"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "we don't quite know the reason there's all kinds of people, but there are all kinds of people, and some people get this and lots of people (and institutions) don't"
[GerynarsAbode] Olly says, "I tried it once and somehow got the idea that the parser would only accept orc-speak.  This seemed unnecessarily annoying."
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "but don't join a bad church because it seems broadly accepting, that's actually a mistake, even though it might seem easier"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "ok, that's all I got"
[GerynarsAbode] Johnny says, "Parsertongue is already fairly Hulk-ish."
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "I come here to make wisecracks, not be wise"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Heh."
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "though I am in fact 164 years old and know a lot"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "my own life is kind of hardship-hardship-hardship-oasis-hardship-hardship-oasis-hardship-hardship-golDANG-hardship-ahhh-oasis-hardship-hardship-hardship"
genericgeekgirl says, "Good luck, jpt."
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "by naming yourself Olly you take on the mantle of saying 'Well this is another fine mess you've gotten me into'"
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "Golly."
[GerynarsAbode] Rob says, ">SMASH"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "but one has to confront one's own battles on one's own, ultimately"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "so good luck, sincerely"
[ollyprattle] Rob says, "hang in there for the oases"
Rob says, "ok, gotta get ready to go watch some Stoogeness"
Rob says, "bye all"
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.