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ifMUD
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quotebook url database with a parrot bot
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Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
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Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> that's me, mr busytown
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Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday Chrysoula and Hjalfi!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, Nameless Quest excerpt, NQ excerpt2
Players: Alex, Jon, markm, Bishop, jpt, Ryan, Doug, Jaybird, Grocible, maga, Matthew, vimes, DorianX, marc, Whizzard, schep, Psmith, Richie, baf, GDorn, lpsmith, Marktwo, Jearl, Allen, Nitku, Gunther, inky, djfletch, Dave, ghira, annabianca, zarf, two-star, Fang, Ellison, borowski, Jota, Lionheart, Johnny, olethros
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 101 of 3528 lines from recent channels:
[music]/15:17 Allen says, "today's typeset: Where fancie fond for pleasure pleads, and reason keeps poore hope in gaole"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:19 baf says, "A google image search of the word 'willow' yields a remarkably even split of trees, Alysson Hannigan, and Warwick Davis."
[Hugo]|15:20 Ellison asks, "why does an empty parse$ have a value of -16? does that signify anything or is that just to separate it from empty word array elements (which have a value of 0)?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:20 Allen says, "ha ha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:20 Ellison says, "nice"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:21 Allen says, "and whoever this willow smith is"
[apropos-of-nothing]|15:21 Gunther says, "Will Smith's daughter"
[Hugo]|15:23 Ellison says, "hmmm, ok, I guess it's just the address of parse$"
[quotations]|15:24 Gunther | Think you know what's funny? Comedy Central wants you to pick the Best Viral Original video for The 2012 Comedy Awards
[quotations]|15:24 Gunther says, "I do, so my vote is "none of them""
[quotations]|15:25 Allen asks, "oh oh what about that video with the cat!?"
[quotations]|15:26 Gunther says, "*especially* not that."
[lounge]|15:26 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|15:26 Jota greets.
[headlines]|15:28 GDorn | Santorum delegate plan hits wall in North Dakota
[kickstarter]|15:29 Gunther asks, "hmm, has anyone done an Ayn Rand-style kickstarter, where all the reward tiers just insult the backers?"
[headlines]|15:29 GDorn says, "#juvenile basically any headline with Santorum, a verb and possibly a direct object."
[kickstarter]|15:29 Johnny asks, "Tactical Shooter?"
[kickstarter]|15:30 Johnny asks, "Er, Takedown?"
[kickstarter]|15:30 Fang asks, "that's ayn rand style?"
[kickstarter]|15:30 Gunther says (to Johnny), "literally, not figuratively, but good choice"
[lounge]|15:30 Emily goes home.
[lounge]|15:30 * Emily has disconnected.
[kickstarter]|15:30 Fang says, "I thought rand style would be just to fellate her donor's egos"
[kickstarter]|15:31 Gunther says, "anyone who gives you money deserves your contempt"
[kickstarter]|15:32 Gunther says, "the $1,000,000 level is "Captain of Industry", of course"
[kickstarter]|15:32 Gunther says, "the $100,000,000,000 level is "Invisible Hand of the Free Market""
[rpg]|15:32 Fang asks, "so anyone up for a quick one-shot again?"
[kickstarter]|15:32 Gunther says, "anything below is "Leeching Parasite""
[Hugo]|15:33 Hugo says, "My favourite thing to do is to look thoughtful, nod slowly, and say, 'Hmm, that's a good question.'"
[Hugo]|15:34 Ellison says, "even though I think we agreed it was actually imposssible months ago, today, I've been trying to find a way to print what-is-going-to-be parse$ in Parse for parser monitoring"
[Hugo]|15:35 Ellison says, "like, I thought it was a good sign that the word array sees it as a value of -1, which is a string, right? it's just not possible to *print* that string"
[Hugo]|15:36 Hugo says, "The technical explanation, currently, is that Hugo tries to deal with input text as dictionary words only."
[Hugo]|15:38 Hugo says, "So when you do something like variable = "text" the compiler puts "text" into the dictionary, and then every time "text" is used like that in the source, it's translated into a dictionary address, and that value is assigned to variable."
[Hugo]|15:38 Hugo says, "Which is what you'll see if you 'print number variable'."
[Hugo]|15:38 Ellison says, "yeah"
[Hugo]|15:39 Hugo says, "Can you put parse$ into an array, then use that as a string array?  (Which is an entirely separate animal.)"
[rpg]|15:40 Lionheart says, "I could go for that."
[Hugo]|15:40 Ellison says, "definitely, when parse$ has been set (after grammar parsing). this is only a problem because parsing comes before grammar."
[Hugo]|15:41 Hugo says, "Ah, ah...okay, right."
[Hugo]|15:42 Hugo says, "I don't like where this is going.  You're turning into some sort of sorcerer."
[Hugo]|15:42 Ellison says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|15:44 josh_g will call him Pootel; Henry Pootel for short.
[lounge]|15:44 Lionheart makes no law abridging the freedom of s***ch, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to ***emble, and to pe***ion the government for a redress of grievances.
[Hugo]|15:45 Ellison says, "maybe the easiest (?) future fix would be to write the entire input line to a built-in string array, so at all times, the author has the ability to delve into whatever the player typed. I don't know if that'd bloat things up, though."
[Hugo]|15:46 Hugo says, "It wouldn't."
[Hugo]|15:46 Hugo says, "That's a good idea."
[quotations]|15:49 Jota says, "#belated When I recapped and read the thing Gunther quoted, I initially assumed that the second sentence was intended as an *example* of something that's funny."
[kickstarter]|15:49 Jota asks, "Wouldn't the 'leeching parasite' be the person running the KS, expecting other people to give them money for nothing?"
[kickstarter]|15:50 Gunther says (to Jota), "that is the irony of Ayn Rand"
[kickstarter]|15:50 Johnny says, "They would've just spent the money on something stupid like food."
[begood]|15:56 Johnny says, "Watched the Fallout and Portal 2 GDC presentations.'"
[Hugo]|15:57 Ellison says, "I modified the parser monitoring code in Parse so it prints 'parse$' in italics when it gets to a parse$ word: http://hugo.gerynarsabode.org/index.php?title=Replace_Parse . putting parse$-printing code in some kind of player object before routine is just too much of a can of worms. I figure right now, it's best to ask authors to put parse$-printing HugoFix code in their string-grammar-token-using verb routines. the rest of the time, it can be handled by the parse$-printing code I put into ParseError."
[begood]|15:58 Ellison says, "I imagine they were entertaining and enlightening"
[Hugo]|15:58 Hugo says, "Probably a good compromise."
[lounge]|15:58 ghira says, "I'll see people tomorrow"
[begood]|15:59 Johnny says, "Pretty much."
[Hugo]|15:59 Hugo asks, "What about Perform?"
[begood]|15:59 Johnny says, "Tim Cain's was about all sorts of aspects of making the game, and that was interesting."
[Hugo]|16:00 Ellison says, "I was thinking there, but you'd have to put in some hacky code so it isn't printed every time it's called or else you could have it called multiple times a turn (which is okay but ugly)"
[begood]|16:00 Johnny says, "Er, as was the Portal 2 presentation."
[Hugo]|16:00 Hugo says, "That's true, yeah."
[Hugo]|16:01 Ellison says, "I guess it could be handled with a global or something, though. I just try to avoid creating globals unnecessarily. I am Scrooge McDuck with my swimming pool of unused globals."
[Hugo]|16:01 Hugo says, "Ha."
[Hugo]|16:01 Hugo says, "Goddammit, you *can* take it with you."
[lounge]|16:02 Ellison says, "later ghira"
[lounge]|16:03 Hugo says, "I'm going too.  The accounting can wait."
[Hugo]|16:03 Hugo says, "Later!"
[lounge]|16:03 Hugo goes home.
[lounge]|16:03 * Hugo has disconnected.
[PAX-Boston]|16:06 Gunther says, "huh, looks like slowbeef is at PAX"
[begood]|16:07 Johnny says, "One thing was how quick turnaround time was on certain aspects of Fallout."
[begood]|16:08 Gunther asks, "where ees zees veeseeblee?"
[begood]|16:08 Johnny says, "The perks system in two days, the Mac version over a weekend."
[begood]|16:08 Johnny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa5IzHhAdi4
[begood]|16:09 Gunther says, "zank you"
[lounge]|16:10 Johnny does like justice, but that's taking it a bit far.
[lounge]|16:10 Johnny insisted that the mobile hot-dog-on-a-bun did nothing wrong.
[begood]|16:11 Johnny says, "no problem"
[hardware]|16:11 Ryan says, "Oddly enough, our contract sysadmin just came for a meeting, and brought his Asus eee transformer."
[begood]|16:12 Johnny says, "Portal 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqk4aqpXlQ "
[hardware]|16:12 Ryan says, "He, too, said that ConnectBot had awful keyboard support, so he said he was using http://code.google.com/p/irssi-connectbot/ and it fixed all the issues he was running into."
[hardware]|16:13 katre says, "worth knowing"
[hardware]|16:13 katre says, "thanks"
[begood]|16:14 Gunther says, "2nd hit on youtube for 'classic fallout revisited': "Classic Games Revisited: Fallout 3""
[begood]|16:15 Gunther cries a little
[hardware]|16:16 Ryan says, "But he also says he doesn't consider it a replacement for a normal laptop, so I'm still not sure."
[hardware]|16:16 Ryan says, "I should probably just get a normal laptop."
[hardware]|16:16 katre says, "I love my acer aspire netbook"
[hardware]|16:16 katre says, "although it's four years old now and pretty long in the tooth"
[tangent]|16:17 zarf says, "I like the idea of computers getting long in the tooth"
[tangent]|16:17 Gunther says, "in the bluetooth, presumably"
[hardware]|16:18 GDorn says, "I'm running a custom build of ConnectBot specifically for my phone.  I think that building your own keyboard mapping isn't that hard if you're technically-inclined."
[hardware]|16:18 GDorn says, "it helps that ConnectBot is open source"
[videogames]|16:18 Gunther says, "heh. http://www.falloutnewvegastour.com/ "
[begood]|16:21 Johnny | I'm breaking tradition here with a review of a modern game. I thought my viewers might like to see my thoughts on games made in the 21 century. Plus this game totally kicks @ss and is consuming all of my time!
[begood]|16:22 Johnny says, "The intro music is all on the right side. And then I closed the window."
[videogames]|16:36 GDorn says, "neat"
[begood]|16:40 Gunther says, "man, this camera's auto-focus is terrible"
[lounge]|16:54 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[lounge]|16:55 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 101 of 3528 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Friday,  6 Apr 2012, 04:55:08 PM EDT
There are 2 new messages on #alt/copyright.
[krone] * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Rob has posted message 19, about 'E-book now available', to the bulletin board! That would go better with duck fat."
[jobs] Rob says, "#spam"
olethros says, "alo"
Rob says, "ol' ethros"
[ebooks] GDorn asks, "which ebook provider gives the biggest chunk to the original author?"
[jobs] Rob says, "that's a good question"
(Current channel set to #tech/ebooks)
[ebooks] Rob says, "that's a good question"
[ebooks] Rob says, "I'll email my dad and ask"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "because I have this ebook that I, erm, stole, because none of the other distribution methods were meeting my goal (being unencumbered multiplatform)"
[ebooks] zarf says, "recent smashwords post on related topic: http://blog.smashwords.com/2012/03/does-agency-pricing-lead-to-higher-book.html "
[ebooks] GDorn asks, "debating just sending money direct to the author via paypal, but then I'm cutting out the ebook layout person, whoever that was.  do they normally get any royalties?"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "(also, paypal sucks)"
[ebooks] Johnny says, "There's stuff like Fastspring and BMTmicro."
[way-secret] inky asks, "hey did you see my mail about the token guy stuff?"
[ebooks] GDorn asks, "changing up the question, how much does the original author see from the sale of a dead tree version?"
[way-secret] Rob says, "yeah, I just didn't have any brain cells to answer it"
[way-secret] Rob says, "though I smiled a lot and stuff"
[way-secret] Rob says, "it was a weird thing to write. I had all this stuff in my head going back five years, then when I actually started writing it, and trying to go one logical step at a time, I ended up wandering into a wilderness of territory I hadn't explored before"
[way-secret] Rob says, "all the stuff about lights and heat and stuff was like 'wow, really?' every time I wrote a chapter"
[ebooks] Johnny says, "I think you have to pay off an advance before you see a cut of sales."
[way-secret] Rob says, "but I hadn't looked at it in a couple months so it was interesting to hear it through someone else's eyes (what?)"
[way-secret] inky says, "hee hee"
[ebooks] Johnny says, "And what 'tier' you're in at your publisher probably matters."
[way-secret] inky says, "the heat thing is the most interesting to me because I don't think I've seen anything like it before"
[way-secret] inky says, "(in other planning systems)"
[Hugo] Ellison says, "it is an unwritten rule that whenever I show Hugo code, I'll find a million problems with it just a little bit later"
[way-secret] inky says, "I'm not actually sure I understand it fully really -- it seemed like one idea is that heat is sort of where you should be going next, but another idea is that things cool off as you interact with them"
[English] inky | All machines appear to be up and running now. You may fail them back to the preferred nodes when it is most convenient for Catalyst.
[ebooks] * NewsBoy hollers, "Extra! Extra! Rob has posted message 14, about 'Total self promotional spam', to the bulletin board! I set short term goal of getting a dog. After I got my first paycheck this month I set out $30.00 to go into my "dog fund". So far this post has helped to reach the goal of getting a dog."
[ebooks] inky says, "oh yeah, the jazz band guy"
[ebooks] Rob says, "jam band, not jazz band"
[ebooks] Rob says, "classic rock, man ! turn IT UP"
[ebooks] inky says, "oops"
[ebooks] inky says, "dangit"
[ebooks] Gunther says, "jam hands, not jazz hands"
[ebooks] inky says, "also the cut depends on whether it's a hardcover or paperback, I believe"
[ebooks] Rob says, "jazz-hands, "**ZAZZLE**""
[ebooks] inky says, "but I would guess 10%"
[ebooks] inky says, "let's see!"
[ebooks] Rob says, "also, I get 10% of Sonic Goodness sales"
[ebooks] Rob says, "or about a dollar per"
[ebooks] inky | Most Tor hardcovers have a cover price of US$24.95, and on copies sold in the US, authors get 10% of that on the first 5,000 copies (which is $2.50 a copy), 12.5% on the next 5,000 copies (which is $3.12 a copy), and 15% on anything over 10,000 copies (which is $3.75 a copy). The deal is similar with all other commercial SF publishers.
[ebooks] Rob says, "so far I've made 9 dollars, but I'm hoping to get to twenty by the third fiscal quarter"
[ebooks] inky says, "hee hee"
[ebooks] inky says, "if this keeps up, you'll be able to buy your own jam!"
[ebooks] Gunther says, "wait, the dude who did the music for Loom was Tchaikovsky"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "paperback, but also a tech book"
[ebooks] inky says (to Gunther), "hee hee"
[ebooks] Rob says, "also, this book is one of those books that's interesting without the specific topic being your main interest"
[ebooks] inky | We will pay you a royalty of 10% of all net income we receive as a result of our distribution of the book, in any form, printed, electronic, or other, or from the license or sale to third parties of any rights in a derivative work. For translated editions published by O'Reilly's own subsidiaries, we will pay a royalty of 5% of net income. 9. If we include all or part of your book in another book that we publish, you will receive a pro-rata share of the royalties from that book in the proportion that the number of words used from your book bears to the whole book.
[ebooks] Rob says, "but it does cover a lot of computer game history from a side angle you don't normally get"
[ebooks] GDorn asks, "dang, 10%?"
[ebooks] inky says, "hmm yeah I hadn't thought of that"
[ebooks] Gunther says, "I remember The Fatman mostly because game startup messages actually said "samples by The Fatman""
[ebooks] Rob asks, "so who gets the 90%?"
[ebooks] inky says, "the publisher"
[ebooks] Rob says, "occupy ebook street"
[ebooks] zarf says, "and the retailer"
[ebooks] inky says, "hee hee"
[ebooks] zarf says, "and the distributor"
[ebooks] Rob says, "I think I need to go into the publishing racket"
[ebooks] Rob says, "anyone have a book they want published? I'll give you 11%"
[krone] Gunther says, "sigh, they're seriously making me sign up to buy a $1 book."
[ebooks] zarf says, "(distributors are the part nobody knows about)"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "so I should just put $5 in an envelope and mail it to the author"
[ebooks] inky says, "yeah, I guess I don't know if you mean "who gets the money immediately" or "who gets the money eventually""
[ebooks] Rob says, "I know about distributors from the movie business"
[ebooks] inky says, "because obviously the cover artist gets paid, the advertising is paid for, etc"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "since it's a $30 book, the author would be making bank on that"
[robmumble] Rob asks, "cover artists are supposed to get paid?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "dang, no wonder"
[ebooks] inky says, "the screenwriting book I read said you pocket about 25% of what you're paid for a big script but that was after taxes and stuff"
[ebooks] zarf says, "the printer gets paid (publishers don't actually own printing presses)"
[ebooks] inky says (to GDorn), "well, it's slightly more complicated than that"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "yeah, and additionally complicated by the fact that I really don't want the dead tree version, because it's not portable."
djfletch can produce a dozen witnesses to swear he was elsewhere.
</djfletch> If you hadn't worn those pants I never would have bought that bathtub.
[ebooks] GDorn says, "stupid price-fixing"
[ebooks] inky says, "I missed the context here but like if you pirate it and then send them money, it's not recorded as a sale for sales number purposes, which is advertising for them"
[ebooks] inky says, "and helping them get future deals with the publisher and stuff"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "true, but that might be a mixed blessing"
[ebooks] inky says, "ha ha"
[ebooks] Psmith says, "probably the best way of handling guilt-money is to buy a copy of the dead-tree version as a gift for someone. Publishers get sale, friend gets gift, author gets cut, everyone happy."
[ebooks] GDorn says, "hmm.  true, but I don't know anybody that would want the dead-tree version."
[krone] Gunther says (to Rob), "here's $.99 for your dad's dog fund, then!"
[krone] Gunther says, "minus a constant"
[krone] Rob says, "excellent"
[krone] Rob says, "which version did you get"
[krone] Gunther says, "Kindle"
[krone] Rob says, "come to think of it I haven't bought it yet"
[ebooks] Psmith says, "donate to library, or charity shop."
[krone] Gunther says, "!! !"
[krone] Rob says, "but my kindle is indisposed right now"
[ebooks] zarf says, "this is of course what Amazon is playing on -- offering authors the chance to be fucked over by a single company all at the same time, rather than piecewise"
[ebooks] inky says, "ha ha"
[ebooks] Rob says, "my aunt Mei Lie had this theory that I should try to get lots of libraries to order copies of the QMan in hardcover"
[ebooks] inky says, "think how much more convenient this is"
[krone] Gunther says, "(it gives you all the versions)"
[ebooks] Rob says, "which sounded good but then I didn't do anything about it"
[krone] Rob says, "it gives you all of them? oh, I guess that makes sense"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "also, if it were an O'Reilly book, I probably wouldn't be having this ethical issue, I'd just pirate it and be done with it.  But it's an IF-related book and I really want to reward the author."
[ebooks] Rob says (to zarf), "there is kind of a grim faustian logic to it"
[ebooks] inky says, "if it's IF-related, gift it to me"
[ebooks] Rob says, "huh, pirated oreilly books"
[ebooks] Rob says, "there must be a booming trade in that, though I never once considered looking for such"
[USA] Gunther says, "#dystopian-future"
[USA] Gunther says, " http://grist.org/list/aging-boomers-who-cant-drive-will-be-trapped-in-unwalkable-cities-of-their-own-making/ "
[ebooks] inky says, "hmm"
[ebooks] Rob says, "kind of their whole gimmick was that they were making nice-looking things to have in your cubicle bookshelf"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "yeah, me neither, come to think of it"
[ebooks] Rob says, "like offering a feelie"
[ebooks] inky asks, "O'Reilly has some deal with the ebooks though, right?"
[ebooks] Johnny says, "My library at least pays for Safari access."
[ebooks] inky asks, "like they just give them away DRM-free with purchase?"
[ebooks] Rob asks, "where did liza come from?"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "actually, the new standing desk is made up of at least 75% O'Reilly books, by weight."
[ebooks] inky says, "her mom"
[ebooks] Rob says, "your mom !"
[way-secret] Rob says, "are you having a seder"
[quotations] Gunther | 'Pink slime' is the tip of the iceberg
[quotations] Gunther says, "(Titanic 3D spoilers)"
[quotations] Rob says, "ew"
[quotations] Rob says, "algal infestation"
[USA] borowski exclaims, "In USA, google drives car!"
[food] Gunther says, "zounds! http://twitpic.com/95z9ds "
[USA] Rob says, "google schmoogle"
[food] Gunther says, "I think I would eat this"
[food] Gunther says, "oh wait, Pizza Hut, no, I wouldn't"
[ebooks] Rob says, "suddenly I'm aware I haven't purchased an OReilly volume since pre-ebooks era"
[food] borowski asks, "What? Not available in America?"
[music] Allen says, "now, "If wemen could be faire and never fond""
[food] Rob says, "when I was a kid, there was a Pizza Inn, and a Pizza Hut, and I always got them confused"
[music] Gunther says, ""they woulde be like my mother-in-lawe; YE ZINGE!""
[ebooks] GDorn says, "comparing ebook sellers, and dang, ebooks.com is somehow even more expensive than amazon."
[food] Rob says, "but only one franchise was the Pizza Victor"
[music] inky asks, "what does fond mean?"
[food] inky asks, "now too late you learn Pizza Inn was the good one?"
[music] inky says, "besides a delicious sauce"
[food] Rob says, "right"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "what's the one liza works for?  maybe they have it."
[food] Gunther says, "pizza vector"
[ebooks] inky asks, "she works for o'reilly now, right?"
[music] Rob says, "fond foundation fountain base"
[USA] Allen says, "uh, this is what assisted living facilities are for"
[ebooks] Rob asks, "liza?"
[music] Allen says, "dunno"
[ebooks] inky says, "yeah, this says safari bought her company"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "heh"
[USA] inky says, "and electric golf carts!"
[ebooks] Rob says, "oh yeah, the buout"
[ebooks] Gunther asks, "and Safari is the O'Reilly bookshelf thingy, right?"
[ebooks] Rob says, "er, +y in there somewhere"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "that's what you get for competing"
[USA] inky says, "yeah"
[ebooks] Gunther says, "so if you're pirating O'Reilly, you LITERALLY KILL LIZA"
[USA] inky asks, "well, she was -- hmm, was she really a publisher?"
[music] Allen says, "it's a setting of this: http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/fairfond.htm "
[USA] inky says, "er"
[ebooks] inky asks, "well, she was -- hmm, was she really a publisher?"
[USA] Gunther says (to Allen), "yeah, everyone can afford assisted living"
[ebooks] inky says, "I thought she was sort of a book software designer or something"
[USA] Allen says, "sell the house, go to assisted living"
[USA] inky says, "if you can't afford assisted living, we have a very affordable assisted dying program"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "it was a distribution platform, too"
[ebooks] inky says, "oh, hunh"
[ebooks] Gunther says, " http://oreilly.com/store/gogreen.html "
[ebooks] GDorn says, "basically in direct competition with apple, iirc"
[ebooks] Gunther says, "in any case"
[English] Rob | fond: Archaic . foolish or silly.
[English] inky says, "oh hunh"
[USA] borowski says, "It's all a moot point because the rabid llamas will hunt down the old and sick: http://grist.org/list/climate-change-could-give-you-rabies/ "
[English] inky says, "I was going to guess it meant slutty or something"
[ebooks] Rob says, "the last I saw her was in a video of a conference speech"
[ebooks] Rob says, "in which she alluded to working with Emily on a project"
[ebooks] inky says, "hunh, interesting"
[ebooks] Rob says, "she seemed really nervous about public speaking"
[ebooks] Rob says, "which surprised me since I'm used to her relaxed private confident voice"
[ebooks] inky says, "yeah"
[ebooks] Allen says, "liza? huh"
[ebooks] inky says, "well, a big crowd is different"
[ebooks] Alex says (to Allen), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that liza is Trendy's pet gecko."
[robmumble] Rob says, "the weird thing about me is that I am comfortable with public speaking"
[ebooks] Johnny says, "Safari's pretty good, but one book I was looking at, the publisher wanted you to buy a copy to get the source code."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I can't figure out why this is"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "huh.  safari has it, but that's a subscription service, not a place to buy things."
[robmumble] Rob says, "but I've observed it over and over again"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I feel like I should go into that line of work if I'm that okay with it"
[ebooks] Johnny says (to GDorn), "See if you're library has a Safari subscription."
[ebooks] Johnny says, "Er, your"
[robmumble] Allen says, "I'm not, but I bet if I did it a couple times it'd start to come natural"
[robmumble] Rob says, "usually you need to write a book to get into the racket"
[ebooks] GDorn asks, "it might, but at that point is it really different, financially, than pirating it?"
[ebooks] Johnny asks, "Yes?"
[robmumble] Allen says, "first couple times I performed musically in public, I was semi-frozen and terrified, and then it just kinda clicked and now I'm hey, whatever. Relax and play and enjoy the music"
[USA] borowski says, "A dramatic increase in the rate of rabies could mean that literally several people die every year from it."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I go into some sort of mode where I feel protected and armored and relaxed and funny"
[ebooks] Johnny says, "Honestly, it's also a hell of a lot more convenient."
[robmumble] Rob says, "which for a complete introvert is a very weird thing to feel"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "not much is more convenient than piracy."
[robmumble] Rob says, "especially when it makes normal people feel really self-conscious"
[robmumble] Rob says, "maybe I'll figure it out one of these days"
[USA] Gunther says, "this site seems rather alarmist and ... stupid"
[ebooks] GDorn says, "but, yeah, I have a library card, my taxes are paying for a safari subscription, probably, and so the only difference between me borrowing a license to the book and pirating it is that the former prevents other people from using it for the duration."
[robmumble] Rob says, "easter is a time of new beginnings after all"
[ebooks] Rob says, "the broccoli argument all over again"
[robmumble] Allen asks, "what's the time of old beginnings?"
[smoochies] Bishop says, "Mmm, paying significantly more for a flower arrangement than for my gift. Oh, well."
[ebooks] Gunther says, "if my taxes pay for broccoli, I'm becoming a Libertarian."
[robmumble] Rob says, "Genesis 1:1"
[ebooks] GDorn asks, "what is it about the publishing industry vs the movie industry that allows netflix to cost $9/mo but safari is $42/mo?"
[smoochies] inky says, "flowers are pretty expensive"
[ebooks] Rob says, "this reminds me that there was a whole broccoli scandal involving Pres. GHW Bush 41"
[smoochies] inky says, "I am never sure how much I expect them to cost but it is always less than what they actually cost"
[ebooks] Rob says, "the scandal being that he hated it, and broccoli farmers across the nation indignantly sent bushels of the vegetable to the white house in protest"
[ebooks] Gunther says, "I remember that, and remember thinking "he can't be a bad man""
[ebooks] Rob says, "help me distinguish Safari the Apple browser from Safari the publishing entity"
[ebooks] Gunther says, "also I'd have sent the national guard to burn their farms to the ground, so he's a better man than I"
[art] inky | Jonathan Schipper.s art installation uses hydraulics to crash a VW Golf into a wall at 7mm per hour over the course of a four weeks.
[ebooks] Gunther says, "since: clear open terrorist act"
[USA] borowski says, "Yeah, the facts are right but the conclusions ridiculous."
[art] inky | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtIoW_Sm3w8
[art] Gunther says, "that's not slow motion!"
[smoochies] Bishop says, "Well, I hope she likes them. A bit more than I'm used to spending on inedible ephemera, but, hey, one only has an anniversary once a year."
[smoochies] inky says, "hey, she can eat them"
[art] Gunther says, "here is his latest project:"
[art] Gunther | Navy jet crashes into Virginia Beach apartments, pilots eject
[smoochies] Bishop says, "It's irises and lilies, chiefly. I dunno how edible those are."
[movie] inky says, "#movie-plots | A pro golfer turned jewel thief was escorted from the Catalina Island jail to a golf course, where he gave the captain pointers, the deputy and the former inmate say. The captain is under investigation."
[smoochies] Bishop says, "Next time I'll get a nasturtium-and-romaine arrangement."
[movie] borowski says, "heh."
[movie] inky says, "I would suggest calling it "Stroke of Luck""
[movie] inky says, "or "Ace in the Hole""
[robmumble] Rob says, "#tangent #bush-broccoli-scandal #way-old-writing http://raddial.com/writing/fiction/vignettes/roquefort.html "
Quote added to Bishop's quotebook.
[movie] borowski says, "I like that the *pro golfer* became a jewel thief.  Not just a jewel thief that happened to be a great golfer."
[movie] Rob says, "it's the lost adam sandler movie"
[movie] Gunther says, "if only they all were"
[movie] borowski says, "Oh god, that is so possible that it's not funny."
[movie] Rob says, "hee hee"
[movie] Rob says, "as possible as an adam sandler movie that's not funny"
[movie] borowski says, "yeah"
marc goes home.
[robmumble] Rob says, "you know what this sounds like? an Eric Idle monologue sketch"
[robmumble] Rob says, "which would play over a montage of public domain film clips and terry gilliam doctored photos"
[robmumble] Rob says, "which is not bad but not original"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but which might be funny slimmed down and performed over weird clips"
[robmumble] Gunther says, " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNj1dXi-z0M#t=1m30 "
<Pinstripe> I use mobsters and street thugs as henchmen, who wield bats, pistols and grenades.
Pinstripe was a run-of-the-mill mobster before gaining powers from Energy X.
Pinstripe says, "hello, beautiful people"
[robmumble] Rob says, "at one point in the past 6 months I recorded myself doing an eric idle sketch monologue, but then I deemed it not fit for public consumption and never posted it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I kinda forgot I made it until just now"
[robmumble] Gunther says (to Rob), "would be a shame if anything happened to it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "snrk"
[robmumble] Gunther "accidentally" clears the channel topic
[law] Allen | U.S. Court Gives Thumbs-Up to Snoopy Checkpoints Near-ish the Border
[law] inky says, "ha ha"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I always thought I would end up being in a monty python like comedy group"
[law] inky says, "take it to #comics"
[robmumble] Gunther says, "and here you are on ifMUD"
[robmumble] Rob says, "instead I put most of my comedy into ifmud"
[law] borowski says, "Heh."
[robmumble] Rob says, "which ultimately has been a good deal"
[law] Gunther says, "The Rapescanner is [IN]"
[art] inky says, "in other important art news"
[law] borowski asks, "Is that about the town in Texas?"
[art] inky | While in the lavatory on a domestic flight in March 2010, I spontaneously put a tissue paper toilet cover seat cover over my head and took a picture in the mirror. The image evoked 15th-century Flemish portraiture.
[robmumble] Rob says, "never quite found that group of guys anywhere else"
[law] Ellison says, "you'd think Snoopy would be more interested in enemies in our airspace"
[art] Rob says, "hooray"
[art] Gunther says, "it certainly would"
[law] Rob says, "hooray more"
[law] Allen says, "it's an arizona case"
[law] Gunther asks, "man, can't you just, I dunno, jettison Arizona?"
[art] Rob says, "it's either an idealised portrait of the complete Renaissance Man, or a Flemish merchant"
[law] Rob says, "it might self-jettison in a minute"
[art] Gunther says, "and he's following a shining rectangular object"
[art] inky | http://www.ninakatchadourian.com/photography/sa-flemish.php
[art] Gunther says, "also his clothing seems to say REDRUM, what's up with that"
[art] inky says, "actually these are in fact pretty much like what she says"
[art] Rob says, "who's she"
[art] Gunther says (to inky), "oh, I knew exactly what she meant"
[art] inky says (to Rob), "I dunno the person I quoted above"
[art] Rob says, "nina katchadourian sounds pretty greek to me"
[metafilter] inky | #reddit | The cat keeps throwing up on the baby. How do I make her stop?
[art] Rob says, "'Lavatory Self-Portraits in the Flemish Style' is hilarious"
[food] Doug asks, "are chocolate bunnies kosher for passover?"
[art] Rob says, "at last, I have the subject for my masterpiece"
[food] inky says, "it depends"
[art] Gunther says, ""Katchadourian" means "very long nose""
[metafilter] baf says, "That must be one really ugly baby."
[food] inky says, "stuff with corn syrup is generally not considered kosher"
Recapping 32 of 32 lines from food/food:
[food]/001 DorianX says, "there's a cut of steak we get a lot"
[food]/002 DorianX says, "But I am nto sure what it is called and it does not clearly appear on the charts i've seen"
[food]/003 DorianX says, "It is shaped sorta like the silhouette of lungs"
[food]/004 DorianX says, "iI'm not sure how to explain this"
[food]/005 DorianX says, "it kinda looks like two shoulder blade steaks that are attached at the top"
[food]/006 Doug | The study found that one serving of popcorn contains up to 300mg of antioxidants - known as polyphenols ? nearly double the 160mg found in a serving of fruit.
[food]/007 inky says, "buh"
[food]/008 Doug says, "I wonder how much of that is due to 'serving' being by weight"
[food]/009 inky says, "hmm"
[food]/010 inky asks, "do antioxidants show up when you cook a thing?"
[food]/011 inky says, "because otherwise corn isn't particularly antioxidant-heavy as far as I know"
[food]/012 Doug says, "apparently a lot of it is in the "husk""
[food]/013 zarf says, "I think they tend to go away when you cook a thing, because, you know, they oxidize."
[food]/014 Doug | http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/26/popcorn-more-antioxidants-than-fruit-vegetables_n_1379460.html
[food]/015 Allen asks, "the puffhost has invaded the UK?"
[food]/016 Allen asks, "does this mean schools can start counting popcorn as a vegetable?"
[food]/017 inky says, "ha ha"
[food]/018 Ellison says, "yeah, I think I'd want to try at least half of that."
[food]/019 borowski says, "I recently got an air popper and it's great."
[food]/020 borowski says, "popcorn + olive oil = yum"
[food]/021 Gunther says, "zounds! http://twitpic.com/95z9ds "
[food]/022 Gunther says, "I think I would eat this"
[food]/023 Gunther says, "oh wait, Pizza Hut, no, I wouldn't"
[food]/024 borowski asks, "What? Not available in America?"
[food]/025 Rob says, "when I was a kid, there was a Pizza Inn, and a Pizza Hut, and I always got them confused"
[food]/026 Rob says, "but only one franchise was the Pizza Victor"
[food]/027 inky asks, "now too late you learn Pizza Inn was the good one?"
[food]/028 Rob says, "right"
[food]/029 Gunther says, "pizza vector"
[food]/030 Doug asks, "are chocolate bunnies kosher for passover?"
[food]/031 inky says, "it depends"
[food]/032 inky says, "stuff with corn syrup is generally not considered kosher"
Recapped 32 of 32 lines from food/food.
[food] Rob asks, "oh yeah?"
[art] Gunther says (to Rob), "my favorite bit is that a lof of these were on one really boring flight"
[food] DorianX says, "if it's milk chocolate, that counts as mixing dairy and meat"
[food] inky says, "and stuff with soy (lecithin) is also generally not considered kosher"
[food] Rob asks, "what's tainted about corn syrup?"
[food] DorianX says, "ALso, being a rabbit"
[food] inky says, "er, kosher for passover, I mean"
[food] inky says (to Rob), "all grain-based products are disallowed unless they've gone through the matzafication process"
[food] Allen asks, "why not kosher? Is it because it comes from the new world?"
[food] Allen says, "oh"
[food] Rob says, "I can easily believe in scratching out corn syrup products but I'm wondering what the"
[art] Gunther says, "ha ha, here's one also involving a sleep mask"
[art] two-star asks, "Not Armenian?"
[food] Rob says, "matzafication !"
[food] Rob says, "ok what does matza- prefix mean"
[food] inky says, "and then soy is disallowed under the kitniyot rule"
[spam] Ellison | User:DeschampsDasher292
[food] inky says (to Rob), "you know, matzah, the flat cracker thing"
[food] Rob says, "yeah"
[food] inky says, "so you can eat that, and you can use matzah meal, which is ground matzah"
[food] inky says, "and obviously those are from a grain"
[food] Rob says, "I think I read 'unless' as 'until' or something weird like that"
[art] Allen says, "this is great"
[food] inky says, "oh ok"
[food] Rob says, "but I hit [enter] before I could say hey wait"
[food] inky says, "hee hee"
[food] two-star asks, "Can you matzah corn?"
[food] Rob says, "cue banjo music"
[food] Doug says, "wonder if anyone's made a matza-mazda"
[food] Gunther says (to two-star), "not under the henway rule"
[food] Rob says, "banjo version of kol nidre would be wild"
[food] Rob says, "trad., from the tennessee mountain tribe"
jpt wavies.
jpt asks, "How's it going?"
[food] inky says, "anyway, the prohibition on corn syrup is why coke famously comes out with passover coke made with cane sugar"
[food] inky says, "although I think this is basically mexican coke"
[food] Rob says, "yeah"
[food] Gunther says, "I think we are missing the core of the problem here"
[food] Rob says, "although I think the mexican coke was a capitalization on the popularity of passover coke"
[food] Gunther asks, "chocolate that contains corn syrup?????????????????????"
[food] Gunther asks, "what literally ungodly abomination is this?"
[food] Rob says, "but at the dumbest level of, 'huh, there's a market for this? vamanos, senores'"
Johnny says, "It's going. Hi jpt"
jpt got a new toy today: http://www.amazon.com/Hasbro-Nerf-N-Strike-Jolt-Blaster/dp/B005FJBWWG
[religion] Rob says, "I have a wild judeo-americo-christian theory"
[food] zarf says, "some googling indicates that to fulfil the passover requirements of eating matzah, it must be made from barley, wheat, rye, oats, and spelt"
[food] zarf says, "/and/or/"
[footnotes] lpsmith says, "Aww, I preferred 'and'."
[religion] Rob says, "which I only bring up because religious type thoughts are on my mind this weekend"
[footnotes] lpsmith says, "ha, channel"
[food] lpsmith says, "Aww, I preferred 'and'."
[food] zarf says, "which is not to say you couldn't make a corn matzah which was *legal* for passover"
[religion] borowski asks, "Judeo-americo-christian?"
[religion] Rob says, "this is akin to the theory that the brontosaurus is thin at one end, much much bigger in the middle, and thin again at the other end"
[religion] Rob says, "the theory goes like this"
[religion] maga says (to borowski), "*wild* Judeo-americo-christian, try to keep up"
[religion] Gunther says, "but ROB the brontosaurus does no longer exist"
[religion] Rob says, "there were twelve tribes of israel, and then they got all lost and scattered"
[religion] Allen says, "and one went to the STARS"
[food] inky says, "hunh"
[religion] Rob says, "but, america being a melting pot, there is now in the present day and age, a sizeable representation of all 12 tribes, lost or known"
[religion] Rob says, "that's my theory, and therefore it is, and that's what I have to say, anne elk (mrs. bracket mrs.)"
[food] inky says, "hum"
[religion] Gunther says, "and if you collect the secret totems from all of them, Mr. Langdon, ..."
[religion] Doug asks, "isn't that mormonism, sort of?"
[food] zarf says, "I hadn't realized there was a distinction between kosher-for-passover and satisfying-the-seder-requirement, but it makes sense"
[food] inky says, "oh, interesting"
[food] inky says, "corn is kitniyot"
[religion] Rob says (to Doug), "if so, that would weird me out"
[food] inky says, "I had assumed it was considered a grain"
Pinstripe says, "I'm doing well, thanks."
[religion] borowski says, "Mormons do believe there was a tribe of Israel living in America and Jesus visited them."
[religion] Rob says, "it crossed my mind, but I've never read any mormon literature"
[food] Doug says, "sometimes I think the torah is just the result of a long game of Nomic"
[religion] Rob says, "so I have no idea what's up or down with mormonism"
[religion] Rob says, "my first question is why are they called 'Mormons'"
[religion] Doug says, "I think it was a 13th tribe, or something.  hence Battlestar Galactica"
[religion] maga asks, "are there a significant number of Samaritans in the US?"
[religion] inky says, "mormons believe the native americans are the ten lost tribes, I think"
[religion] Rob says, "there's probably a bunch hundred thousand"
[religion] maga says, "because that's the most easily-found lost tribe"
[food] zarf says, "oh well"
[religion] Rob asks (of inky), "what, all ten?"
[religion] borowski says (to Doug), "And a planet named Kolob, hence Kobol in BG."
[religion] Gunther says (to Rob), "angel moroni -> well we can't call ourselves morons -> mormons"
[religion] borowski says, "hehe"
[food] zarf says, "(last observed passover dietary restrictions in... 1983? 4?)"
[religion] Rob says, "I was just at the point of wondering if I could download the book of mormon to my kindle to see what the heck was up when my kindle splintered into a thousand pieces"
[religion] maga says, "'where are the lost tribes' 'well, where did you see them last'"
[youtube] GDorn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-Rot9uaVO8s
[youtube] GDorn says, "dang"
[religion] maga exclaims (at Rob), "just like the original book of mormon!"
[religion] Rob says, "which could either mean I should or I should not keep investigating this religion for myself"
[religion] inky | The Book of Mormon, one of the religious texts of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), claims that early residents of the Americas included descendants of the tribe of Joseph, particularly through Manasseh.
[religion] Doug asks, "so it's now Kindling?"
[youtube] zarf says, "that's a great one"
[religion] Rob says, "the most about mormons I've ever heard comes from Trey Parker"
[religion] inky says, "he wrote the book on mormons"
[religion] Rob says, "hee hee"
[religion] Rob says, "he did!"
[religion] Rob says, "literally"
[religion] Rob says, "he's like their biggest evangelist and satirist at the same time"
[religion] Gunther says, "Lucy Harris smart smart smart, Martin Harris dum"
[religion] borowski says, "I know some Mormons and it's pretty dead on as far as the theology goes."
[religion] Doug says, "the book and the musical"
[youtube] GDorn says, "yeah, the animation-via-live-people part is really neat"
[religion] Rob says, "my impression of what I'm getting from him is 'this religion would be great if it weren't so *stupid*! wtf'"
[religion] Doug says, "oh, the musical was The Book"
[religion] Doug says, "sorry, I'm slow, it's friday."
[religion] Gunther says, "and the South Park episode"
[religion] Rob says, "plural episodes"
[religion] two-star says, "Yesterday Mormon missionaries came to my door right as I was about to shuffle laundry from the washer to the dryer. The laundry room in my apartment building is right next to my apartment. So they has a captive audience while I was shuffling laundry."
[religion] Doug says, "my main source of info about Mormonism is Big Love"
[religion] two-star says, "er had."
[religion] Rob says, "is the mormon bible (c) copyright the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints, or is it in the public domain"
[religion] borowski says, "I'd think something that old would be public domain."
[youtube] zarf says, "I am curious about the control system, because there are clear screwups, which implies it's done manuallu"
[religion] inky says, "hrm"
[religion] two-star says (to borowski), "It's not all that old though. They keep patching it."
[religion] inky says, "yeah, it must be public domain"
[religion] inky says, "but some version of it must be"
[religion] borowski says, "It's on Gutenberg http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17 "
[religion] Rob says, "I dunno, I don't put anything past this day-n-age"
Gunther says, "snzz"
Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
</Gunther> You cannot become a viking overnight, unless you are a viking, in which case you can.
[religion] Rob says, "ah, ok"
[religion] Rob says, "thanks bwrksi"
[religion] borowski says, "But they do publish tons of books on how to understand it."
[religion] Rob says, "yeah, I couldn't care less about those"
[religion] Rob says, "reading it and forming my own opinion, yeah ok"
[religion] borowski says, "Oh yeah, I just meant that they still make money from selling books."
[religion] Johnny says, "They give it away for free anyway."
[religion] Johnny says, "I was going to send away for a free koran, but the gubmint."
[religion] borowski says, "I've tried to read the Book of Mormon so I could form an opinion based on the primary text, but to say it's boring would be an understatement."
[youtube] GDorn says, "I guess there's a similar troup called iLuminate that was on one of those show thingies they have on that broadcast tv thingie"
Pinstripe asks, "I forget how to set those messages when someone leaves or enters. how do you do that?"
Pinstripe says, "I don't trust my 14 year old self to have had a good sense of humor, I'm afraid."
Johnny says, "@field me = olounge (or ohomemsg) : Text."
Johnny says, "Help @field and help fields are helpful."
Doug | Sorry, there is no such help topic as 'olounge'. Try just typing help.
Pinstripe exclaims, "Thank you!"
Johnny says, "np"
[journalism] Allen | Calling the suit "riddled with falsehoods and distortions," the network wrote that it "had every right to terminate Mr. Olbermann's services, rather than continuing to pay a princely sum while receiving a pauper's performance in return."
[robmumble] Rob says, " http://raddial.com/writing/fiction/vignettes/franceosaurus.html "
Rob heads right on out.
</Rob> Find release from your cares. have a good time.
Seeya later.