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ifMUD
An interactive real time social network chat bulletin board
quotebook url database with a parrot bot
Copyright 1997-2007 by Loungent Technologies, a wholly owned subsidiary of
rec.[arts|games].int-fiction; All rights reserved.
Release 4 / Serial number 990908 / perlMUD v2.1z
    "The characters were mostly of the cardboard cutout variety.
    I wanted to punch everyone except the one Scottish guy."
         --Jearl
  NOTE: Whenever a fix or enhancement is in place, it will be announced
  on the channel '#mud-updates'.
  OTHER NOTE: There is a mailing list where people can say things like
  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.
You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> "An artist doesn't burn out with age because he works too much. Working hones his craft."
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.
You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, blank banner, Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, banana, Anything Finder, his pants
Players: Alex, markm, Bishop, GDorn, Touchy, DorianX, Jearl, Psmith, Grocible, baf, jpt, Jon, lpsmith, Doug, McMartin, Richie, Allen, annabianca, Dave, vimes, vaporware, Ryan, Whizzard, Marktwo, Matthew, Iain, Johnny, Fang, Lionheart, zarf, josh_g, maga, Roger, boucher, Cathy, inky, ghira, two-star, DavidW, olethros, Yuri, Hugo, Ellison, genericgeekgirl
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 1000 of 3486 lines from recent channels:
[Sierra]/11:13 josh_g says, "yeah but only on the most boring part"
[Sierra]|11:14 josh_g says, "also, I paid long distance to phone direct to Sierra's modems in California to get frickin' hints. that is still just weird to contrast to today"
[Sierra]|11:15 josh_g says, ""back in the day, we didn't have your fancy gamefaqs.com, we had to phone uphill both ways to get to our hints and back""
[iPhone]|11:15 josh_g says, "#kids Nathanael is playing the free levels of Blockwick"
[iPhone]|11:16 josh_g says, "something tells me I'm going to get sucked into in-game purchases for that one"
[Sierra]|11:16 Gunther says, "y'all at least had modems to dial to Sierra with without an intervening continent"
[Sierra]|11:16 Gunther says, "also, free local calls"
[iPhone]|11:16 josh_g says, "also because my wife was also getting into it as well, and I will support anything that gets her past her videogame phobia"
[Sierra]|11:16 josh_g says, "true"
[Sierra]|11:16 josh_g says, "(you had to pay by the minute for local calls? wtf)"
[Sierra]|11:17 Gunther says, "yes, people who have landline still do."
[lounge]|11:25 DavidW goes home.
[lounge]|11:25 * DavidW has disconnected.
[lounge]|11:26 maga enters the lounge. Thumps and penitent shrieks follow.
[lounge]|11:26 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi maga"
[lounge]|11:28 Hjalfi says, "Hoemtime."
[lounge]|11:28 Hjalfi enthusiastically mundanifies between spasms of personality-occultism and off-topic casual/social-leveraging.
[kitties]|11:41 Ryan | http://bukk.it/grapes.png
[lounge]|11:41 marc goes home.
[lounge]|11:41 * marc has disconnected.
[videogames]|11:43 Gunther | Saturday was the 30th anniversary of Wolfenstein 3D
[videogames]|11:43 Gunther says, "no it bloody was not"
[videogames]|11:43 Gunther says, "20th, maybe"
[videogames]|11:44 Ryan says, "Yes, 20th."
[videogames]|11:44 Gunther says, "anyway, unless you live in Censoria, http://wolfenstein.bethsoft.com/ "
[lounge]|11:44 Yuri goes home.
[videogames]|11:44 Gunther | Can't say I did nazi this coming. Okay, okay, I'll go.
[videogames]|11:45 Gunther says, "(Bethesda??)"
[lounge]|11:48 Roger is a bunch of thuggish looking individuals including a very human looking guy with elf ears.
[lounge]|11:48 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Roger"
[lounge]|11:48 Roger exclaims, "Hello!"
[travel]|11:48 Jon says, "yay, trains"
[kitties]|11:50 Roger says, "Awww"
[lounge]|11:52 Rob comes right on in.
[lounge]|11:52 Rob says, "zarx"
[lounge]|11:52 Gunther says, "m. snarfypants"
[journalism]|11:53 Allen | Earlier today, AFP photographer Alex Ogle posted on Twitter what looked like an outrageous typo in a column by Lisa de Moraes of the Washington Post: the name of Benedict Cumberbatch, star of the PBS show Sherlock, got transmogrified into "Bandersnatch Cummerbund" on second mention.
[journalism]|11:53 Gunther says, "if by "typo" they mean something entirely different"
[journalism]|11:54 Roger says, "Haha that's pretty excellent"
[journalism]|11:54 Allen | http://twitter.com/#!/Alex_Ogle/status/199907798153302017/photo/1
[journalism]|11:54 Gunther says, "also #yesterdays-news"
[journalism]|11:54 Allen says, "aw"
[journalism]|11:54 Roger says, "Possibly not as excellent as photographer Alex Ogle, though"
[journalism]|11:54 Gunther says, "but hey, people haven't seen it"
[journalism]|11:55 Gunther says (to Roger), "it's good but not as good as Chameleon Ngirimana"
[lounge]|11:55 boucher is back, slightly taller, with gigantic scars on his calves. Will you marry him now?
[lounge]|11:57 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Rob, boucher"
[lounge]|11:59 Tale's first civilian job after World War I was at the Oxford English Dictionary, where he worked mainly on the history and etymology of words of Germanic origin beginning with the letter W.
[lounge]|11:59 Cathy wanders into the lounge and plops down in her favorite chair.
[lounge]|11:59 Tale says, "hi, kids"
[lounge]|12:00 maga greets
[lounge]|12:00 Cathy waves hello
[lounge]|12:01 Rob says, "smufn"
[wtf]|12:01 Allen says, "today's video involving Alpacas and other wtferry is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waYOjjq8Yas "
[lounge]|12:01 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Tale, Cathy."
[lounge]|12:01 dfabulich leaves ifMUD without any non sequiturs at all.
[wtf]|12:01 Gunther says, "man, I hate the WTFerry. It always throws me overboard or trebuchets me to land or something"
[wtf]|12:01 Rob says, "take the wt ferry to the north bay"
[politics]|12:02 Rob says, "in addition to the revolving door where politicians become lobbyists, there is the more annoying career path where they become talking head pundits on tv"
[politics]|12:02 Rob says, "so after their terms are over you actually see them endlessly more than you ever did before"
[minicomp]|12:02 Tale asks (of maga), "Any idea what you'll do with the unclaimed covers?"
[wtf]|12:03 Jon says, "unrelated: http://www.ronaldreagan.com/email.html "
[minicomp]|12:03 katre says, "hoard them for the coming societal collapse"
[minicomp]|12:03 katre says, "they'll be worth their weight in gold then!"
[minicomp]|12:03 maga exclaims (at Tale), "nope!"
[wtf]|12:04 Allen says, "ok, this is better. Far better. And apropos current events like gay marriage bans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86wKWjvUD50 "
[wtf]|12:04 Rob says, "this isn't what we meant by wedding banns"
[gayrights]|12:04 Allen says, "Gee thanks, North Carolina. Because of you, we'll never get awesome races like they have in other parts of the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86wKWjvUD50 "
[lounge]|12:05 inky has, however, forgotten to kidnap a preacher.
[lounge]|12:06 inky says, "good morning"
[lounge]|12:06 Tale says, "A common mistake, inky"
[lounge]|12:06 Roger says, "He's not that common."
[lounge]|12:06 Roger says, "Especially in foil."
[politics]|12:07 Rob says, "nobody on tv this morning has covered the Dick Lugar primary story from the angle of lamenting that one of the last remaining senators with a truly hilarious name is leaving"
[lounge]|12:07 Rob says, "it's inky"
[politics]|12:07 inky says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|12:07 Richie says, "belatedly, that thing about computers not being any good at go is no longer true: http://gogameguru.com/man-machine-match-final-results-game-commentary/ "
[lounge]|12:07 Richie says, "They can beat good amateur humans now."
[minicomp]|12:07 maga says, "we could recycle them if we do a similar event at some point, but that seems sort of lame"
[politics]|12:08 Roger says, "We go now to our funny name correspondent live on scene"
[lounge]|12:08 Richie says, "Hi, everyone"
[minicomp]|12:08 Roger says, "They could be prizes"
[politics]|12:08 Allen says, "hilarious? I always think 'gun' when I see it"
[minicomp]|12:08 maga says, "on the other hand, I drew two quick-and-easy things and one mildly complicated one, and of course people selected the easy ones"
[lounge]|12:08 Johnny says, "It's all meaningless until computers can a) smack talk, b) flip the board in anger and storm off."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:08 Richie asks, "Is there an airline renowned in the US for being expensive?"
[politics]|12:08 Rob says, "that has something to do with why it's funny"
[lounge]|12:08 Gunther says, "010010101 L O L"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:09 Roger says, "Hrm not that I can think of.  Lufthansa sounds exotic which might be good enough."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:09 Allen says, "concord"
[lounge]|12:09 Richie says (to Johnny), "I believe that's what they're working on now."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:09 Tale says, "Lufthansa is german."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:09 Rob says, "they all are, these days"
[lounge]|12:09 Gunther says, "Yo mama so fat they made 23 sets out of her coccyx"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:09 Richie says, "Concorde would've been great if it still existed :("
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:09 Roger says, "german's exotic enough."
[lounge]|12:09 Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:09 Allen says, "Pan Am"
[minicomp]|12:10 Tale says, "It would be nice if they would be able to be claimed later or something"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:10 Rob says, "this is why the era of one or two of them being slightly more inexpensive was newsmaking"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:10 Allen says, "they went out of business before prices got cheap"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:10 Tale asks (of roger), "Do you think I'm exotic?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:10 (from Roger) * Roger has hastily left the channel.
[minicomp]|12:10 vimes says, "Cover Stories Round Two: The Unbeloved"
[lounge]|12:10 Rob says, "that was a really surreal yomama joke"
[robmumble]|12:11 Rob says, "my ear is still swelling up"
[rant]|12:11 Roger says, "compy why you grinding"
[robmumble]|12:11 Allen asks, "wow. How big is it now?"
[robmumble]|12:11 Rob says, "but now I'm squeezing it out myself instead of paying a doctor to do it at a huge expense"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:11 Richie asks (of Allen), "I can't tell if you're joking or not. Would people associate Pan Am with high cost, or just with having gone of of business?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:12 Tale says, "ha ha"
[robmumble]|12:12 Allen says, "eeeep"
[robmumble]|12:12 Allen says, "muting"
[robmumble]|12:12 Rob says, "the same size, it just grows a bulge every day"
[robmumble]|12:12 Roger says, "Hunh"
[robmumble]|12:12 Tale says, "You're living in a 70s Cronenberg movie"
[robmumble]|12:12 Roger asks, "Are you feeling anemic?"
[robmumble]|12:12 Rob says, "also, I'm really glad I decided not to take that hideous antibiotic"
[robmumble]|12:12 Rob says, "that would have make me horrendously ill"
[robmumble]|12:13 Rob says, "because all the tests came back negative, three of them in a row, that there's no infection"
[robmumble]|12:13 Rob says, "which means it would have been completely for nothing if I'd gotten sick taking the antibiotic"
[robmumble]|12:13 Rob says (to Tale), "it has been kind of cronenbergian at times"
[robmumble]|12:14 Rob says, "I'm filing it away to put in a movie someday"
[politics]|12:15 Rob says, "every day I hear that romney is really unpopular and obama is relatively still popular, that there's a huge gap in terms of women's votes, hispanic votes, and other segments"
[health]|12:15 Roger says, "The talk from the sleep-specialist doctor guy was pretty interesting yesterday."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:15 Richie asks, "What about Virgin Atlantic? Are they thought of as expensive?"
[politics]|12:15 Rob says, "and yet every day they say that Romney and Obama are in a dead even race in the polls"
[politics]|12:15 Rob says, "and I can't figure out how these numbers all add up to a dead heat"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:15 Roger says, "Only their space programme"
[health]|12:16 Roger says, "Apparently he likes this thingy that you put in your mouth that moves your jaw"
[health]|12:16 Roger says, "And thought cpap fails more often than not"
[health]|12:16 Rob says, "it's called a tongue"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:16 Allen asks, "what was the airline that started off the infamous 'sandwich wars' of the 1950s?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:16 Richie says, "Maybe I'll just change it to cheap airline and go with JetBlue, then"
[health]|12:16 Rob says, "there are these tv commercials for cpap that run all the time for some reason"
[health]|12:17 Rob says, "I read cpap as crap every single time"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:17 Roger says, "Allen wins the best-use-of-channel award for this morning"
[health]|12:17 Roger says, "He talked a bit about that!  Apparently its coverage under Medi-Care (or something) is relatively recent"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:17 Rob says, "I have to imagine it had something to do with TWA and Pan Am"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:17 Rob says, "just from the movie The Aviator"
[health]|12:17 Roger says, "So a bunch of people are trying to horn in on that action"
[health]|12:17 Rob says, "ah that would explain it"
[health]|12:18 Rob says, "it looks like an ad aimed at seniors"
[health]|12:18 Roger says, "The best-known-as-cheap airline I can think of is Aeroflot"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:18 Allen | In 1954, SAS started the so-called `"sandwich war" on the North Atlantic routes with Danish smørrebrød.
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:18 Rob says, "sm0rrebr0d"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:18 Rob says, "s'mores bread"
[politics]|12:18 inky says, "I wouldn't be surprised if middle/upperclass white males vote in higher numbers than other groups"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:18 Roger says, "The only bread made from flat dried fish"
[politics]|12:18 Rob asks, "yeah but are they polled in higher numbers?"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:18 Allen | So many of the lunchboxes SAS offered passengers to buy remained unsold that SAS decided to serve smørrebrød, giant, open-faced sandwiches, instead, free of charge. In the US, this was considered to be a meal and not to be included in the fare. The final drop for the US competitors was when SAS put out an ad displaying its luxurious sandwiches next to meager cellophane-wrapped varieties offered by the American carriers. In response, the Americans threatened to withdraw SAS' traffic rights.
[politics]|12:18 inky says, "hmm"
[politics]|12:18 Rob says, "I guess if it were polls of registered voters"
[politics]|12:19 inky says, "I think polls usually attempt to balance out -- yeah"
[politics]|12:19 inky says, "and/or they poll "likely" voters"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:19 Allen | SAS paid a $16,000 fine without complaint. It was also established that if SAS was to continue serving the sandwiches, which they did, one corner of the sandwich had to be clearly visible and not covered by any spread.
[politics]|12:19 Rob says, "so all the hispanics who hate romney aren't going to vote"
[politics]|12:19 inky says, "but, I mean, also the media prefers a narrative where the candidates are neck and neck"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:19 Roger says, "Haha"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:19 Rob says, "what"
[politics]|12:19 inky says, "so if there is a poll in state X that shows that, that seems more likely to get publciity"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:19 Roger says, "Such a nomicky rule"
[politics]|12:19 Rob says, "it all comes down to necking"
[lounge]|12:19 marc in the land of the lounge lizards.
[jobs]|12:20 marc says, "40 40 40 40 40 40"
[politics]|12:20 inky says, "totally"
[politics]|12:20 Rob says, "yeah I'm just wondering because it seems like something's screwy here"
[lounge]|12:20 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi marc"
[lounge]|12:20 marc says, "hey genericgeekgirl"
[jobs]|12:20 marc says, "i feel like the atmosphere here is worsening a little"
[jobs]|12:20 marc says, "more conflict, frustration"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:20 Roger says, "I vaguely recall some european airline that was going to offer smoking flights again but I don't think it went anywhere"
[jobs]|12:20 Roger says, "A bloody war and a sickly season"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:21 Rob says, "I was watching the movie Midnight Run the other day"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:21 Rob says, "the thing with robert deniro and charles grodin"
[politics]|12:21 lpsmith says, "Well, there's a reason we use the term 'minority'."
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:21 Rob says, "still kind of holds up but they show deniro smoking on an airplane and I was like whoa"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:21 Rob says, "1988 was a long time ago"
[comics]|12:22 Roger | remember the good old days of Gil Thorp, when they had a homeless kid playing on the team, and crowds at rival schools taunted him by dressing up like hobos, and it was amazing?
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:22 Rob says, "in terms of cultural and legislative intolerance of smoking"
[comics]|12:22 inky says, "those were the days"
[comics]|12:22 Rob says, "remember who what who hahn"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:22 Roger says, "Yeah; travel outside of CAN-US is sort of shocking along that dimension too"
[robmumble]|12:23 Tale says, "The Q-Ear"
[comics]|12:23 Rob says, "we made some sort of long flight as a family when I was a kid"
[comics]|12:23 inky says, "I hope this is not a mischannel and there was a hobo on the flight"
[comics]|12:23 Rob says, "and we were in the non-smoking section, but only the first row of it adjacent to smoking, so it was technically full of smoke to sit there"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:23 Roger says, "In Egypt one can smoke pretty much everywhere, and everyone does"
[comics]|12:23 Rob says, "and it made my brother miserable"
[comics]|12:23 Roger says, "Oh yeah those were good times"
[comics]|12:24 Rob says, "oops"
[comics]|12:24 Rob says, "and then the hobo said to the cigarette guy mind if I open a can o beans"
[comics]|12:24 inky says, "hee hee"
[comics]|12:24 Roger says, "It'd be awesome if hobo train-jumping culture had migrated to the airlines unchanged"
[comics]|12:24 inky says, "yeah I was just trying to think how air hobos could work"
[comics]|12:24 Rob says, "ha ha air hobos"
[lounge]|12:25 olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
[comics]|12:25 Roger says, "It's like something 1920's SF writers would think of"
[comics]|12:25 inky says, "occasionally you hear about people found dead in the wheel well of a plane"
[comics]|12:25 Rob says, "yeah"
[comics]|12:25 Rob says, "or the occasional guy found dead zipped up into a suitcase"
[comics]|12:25 inky says, "but maybe with proper bundling up you could survive"
[comics]|12:25 Roger says, "There's also the problem of breathing"
[comics]|12:25 inky says, "(in which case I guess you wouldn't be found and so we wouldn't hear about it)"
[comics]|12:26 Roger says, "Anyway someone write this comic"
[comics]|12:26 Rob says, "except for the little air hobo markings on the wing"
[comics]|12:26 Rob says, "what comic"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:26 Roger says, "I also remember some airline was going to remove seats and make everyone stand"
[comics]|12:26 Roger says, "Tales of the Air Hobos"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:26 Rob says, "yeah that was an unpopular idea"
[comics]|12:27 Rob says, "I thought you were trying to go back to the Gil Thorp thing"
[comics]|12:27 Johnny says, "The Hoboteer."
[comics]|12:27 Rob says, "whoever gil thorp is or was"
[comics]|12:27 Johnny says, "Some judge."
[comics]|12:27 Roger says, "No one needs to write any more Gil Thorp ever"
[lounge]|12:28 Rob says, "lunch launch"
[lounge]|12:28 Rob moseys right on out.
[tale]|12:29 Roger asks, "You still on a star trek bender?"
[comics]|12:29 Ryan says, "I fully support this air-hobo idea."
[comics]|12:29 K-Y says, "I imagine they get into the ventilation systems"
[comics]|12:29 K-Y says, "the sterility of the HVAC is compromised and the whole plane gets dismantled after it touches down"
[sandwiches]|12:29 Allen says, "wow, a real stf subway campaign:"
[sandwiches]|12:29 Allen | http://adsoftheworld.com/media/outdoor/subway_childrens_obesity_awareness_feed_them_better?size=_original
[comics]|12:30 Roger says, "I've just about had it with these motherfucking hobos on this motherfucking plane"
[lounge]|12:30 ghira viene a bordo, cazzo
[lounge]|12:30 ghira says, "meep"
[comics]|12:30 Roger says, "Hobo with a shotgun that shoots snakes on a plane"
[lounge]|12:30 genericgeekgirl says, "hi ghira"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:31 Richie says, "RyanAir threatened to charge people to use the toilets, but they never actually implemented that plan"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:32 K-Y says, "it's almost as though it's a really, really effective publicity stunt"
[apropos-of-nothing]|12:33 Richie says, "I heard that theorised. I'm not sure how that works, though. It just makes me really want to never have to fly Ryanair."
[tale]|12:33 Tale says, "Yep"
[tale]|12:33 Tale says, "Starting S7 of TNG"
[austria]|12:34 Allen says, "!!!"
[tale]|12:34 Roger says, "Hunh"
[tale]|12:34 Tale says, "There are some pretty good episodes I had never heard of"
[austria]|12:34 Allen | A new Japan export: "cat cafes" come to Austria
[tale]|12:34 Tale says, "and I want to start Enterprise S3 some day"
[tale]|12:34 Tale says, "But watching two shows about Starships was too much"
[tale]|12:35 Roger says, "Indeed"
[tale]|12:37 Roger asks, "Are you still selling books or whatnot?"
[tale]|12:37 Tale says, "Yep"
[tale]|12:37 Tale says, "Importing Books to be exact"
[jobs]|12:37 Ryan says, "I just got an email from a guy applying for our junior web developer position with 17 years of web dev experience."
[tale]|12:37 Roger says, "Oh that's good."
[jobs]|12:37 Ryan says, "Junior!"
[jobs]|12:38 vimes says, "the economy has been hard on people!"
[tale]|12:38 Tale says, "I guess this is not very exotic."
[tale]|12:38 Roger says, "It's pretty exotic."
[tale]|12:39 Roger says, "I just re-read that part of The Big Sleep in which he hobnobs with a bookseller"
[tale]|12:39 inky says, "a gay bookseller"
[tale]|12:39 Tale says, "Nope, a femmal non-fatale"
[jobs]|12:40 Doug says, "just got a PDF offer letter.  They want me to start... on Memorial Day."
[tale]|12:41 Tale asks, "Are you planning on rereading all of Chandler?"
[lounge]|12:41 two-star sought a woman and found a monkey. Well, it happens.
[jobs]|12:42 Tale says, "Maybe he wasn't very good"
[jobs]|12:42 genericgeekgirl says, "Congrats. And that isn't that odd, since it's probably for accounting purposes. Like, you may be eligible for certain benefits sooner because you started before June 1."
[tale]|12:44 Roger says, "I might"
[tale]|12:46 Tale says, "So, back to series and whatnot: I'm looking for a new thing to watch. I'm torn between Heroes, Sons of Anarchy and maybe Breaking Bad"
[housing]|12:46 vimes says, "hmm, i need to buy new irrigation control stuff"
[housing]|12:47 vimes asks, "anyone have a brand they recommend getting or avoiding?"
[housing]|12:47 Ryan asks, "Some of your crops are withering?"
[housing]|12:47 Ryan asks, "Is this #grow-housing?"
[housing]|12:47 vimes says, "sprinkler system and drip irrigation for the garden"
[jobs]|12:48 Doug asks, "should I give notice at my current job before or after I sign an offer?"
[jobs]|12:48 vimes says, "after"
[jobs]|12:48 katre says, "after"
[jobs]|12:49 Ryan says, "Simultaneously."
[jobs]|12:49 Doug says, "the offer letter says: By signing this letter, you confirm that you are not bound by any employment contract, restrictive covenant or other restriction preventing you from entering into employment with us or in carrying out your responsibilities for the position."
[tale]|12:49 Roger says, "Heroes was enjoyable for a while but it all sorta ends in heartbreak."
[jobs]|12:49 Ryan says, "Walk into your boss's office, put the offer letter on his desk, and sign it while saying "I quit!""
[jobs]|12:49 Allen says, "cross your fingers"
[jobs]|12:49 Doug says, "but I guess since my current employment contract is at-will, then it doesn't prevent me from entering into employment as long as they don't overlap"
[jobs]|12:49 Allen asks, "are you in a contract situation?"
[jobs]|12:49 inky says, "yeah"
[tale]|12:50 inky says, "everybody loves breaking bad is my impression"
[jobs]|12:50 Doug says (to Ryan), "I'd have to fly down to Florida.  But it might be worth it!"
[jobs]|12:50 Doug says (to Allen), "salary"
[tale]|12:50 Roger says, "I've heard that too"
[jobs]|12:50 marc says, "i'd sign after resigning"
[Windows-sux]|12:50 Allen says, "sticky keys came on"
[Windows-sux]|12:50 Allen says, "and it's not responding"
[tale]|12:50 inky says, "wait, wait, you have to sign before you resign, obviously"
[tale]|12:50 inky says, "er"
[Windows-sux]|12:50 Roger says, "Oh I hate that so much"
[Windows-sux]|12:50 Allen says, "it's just hung. And won't go behind any other window"
[jobs]|12:50 inky says, "wait, wait, you have to sign before you resign, obviously"
[jobs]|12:50 Ryan says (to inky), "Hee hee"
[jobs]|12:51 marc says, "heh"
[jobs]|12:51 marc says, "written offer, resign, sign"
[DustWorld]|12:51 DavidW says, "ugh. Starting to rain, water's turned off, and roommate's home today."
[lounge]|12:51 DavidW arrives inkyious from victor's quest.
[lounge]|12:51 DavidW says, "re"
[jobs]|12:51 marc says, "though i recall being a muddle about this last time around"
[jobs]|12:52 Doug says, "floating down the sound resounds around"
[jobs]|12:52 marc asks, "summoning the spirit of yes are we?"
[DustWorld]|12:52 inky asks, "the water's turned off?"
[jobs]|12:52 Doug says, "Floyd"
[DustWorld]|12:52 DavidW says, "However, a friend on Facebook claims that May is National Masturbation Month, so I suppose it's not all bad."
[jobs]|12:52 marc says, "oh, whoops"
[jobs]|12:52 Doug says, "er, Pink, not Club"
[jobs]|12:53 marc says, "clearly i need to go home"
[DustWorld]|12:53 DavidW says (to inky), "yeah, unit 20 of our condo group is getting a leak fixed, so water's off for the majority of the afternoon,"
[jobs]|12:53 marc says, "(...and listen to some floyd. i think i've only listening to one pf record in about two years, and that was meddle)"
[tale]|12:53 Tale says, "I haven't heard anyone here mention Sons of Anarchy, but it's a show about rockers featuring Ron fucking Perlman. It has to be good"
[jobs]|12:53 marc says, "listened*"
[jobs]|12:53 Doug says, "so anyway, yeah, now I need to decide which offer to take."
[jobs]|12:54 marc asks, "oh, multiple offers?"
[jobs]|12:54 Doug says, "(taking that convo to #doug's-digs)"
[DustWorld]|12:54 DavidW says, "meanwhile, thunder sounds are approaching. And the weather was so gorgeous only hours ago."
[jobs]|12:54 GDorn | http://www.hackerdojo.com/RecruiterSpam
[jobs]|12:54 GDorn | Help the Dojo by forwarding well-intentioned recruiters!
[DustWorld]|12:54 marc says, "bloody may"
[DustWorld]|12:54 marc says, "it's been like that here too"
[tale]|12:55 Ryan says, "My little brother loves Sons of Anarchy."
[tale]|12:55 Ryan says, "I know nothing of it beyond that."
[jobs]|12:55 inky says (to GDorn), "I don't get it"
[DustWorld]|12:55 DavidW says, "I was almost maybe considering going out of the house for the afternoon, but not now."
[DustWorld]|12:56 marc says, "):"
[jobs]|12:56 GDorn says, "what they're actually doing is trying to get recruiters to sponsor code challenges, I think."
[jobs]|12:56 GDorn says, "but I'm stuck at "well-intentioned recruiters""
[DustWorld]|12:56 DavidW says, "well, at least I did my necessary shopping yesterday."
[jobs]|12:56 inky says, "oh, ok"
[jobs]|12:56 inky says, "I thought maybe they were trying to get spam and then sue people for spamming them or something"
[tale]|12:56 Iain says, "Belatedly, don't bother with Heroes."
[jobs]|12:57 GDorn says, "my first hope was public flogging"
[tale]|13:02 Tale asks, "That's what som people have been saying, that it turns bad around S3 or so?"
[tale]|13:03 inky says, "some people argue that the whole thing becomes bad retroactively"
[tale]|13:03 inky says, "it's just like time travel"
[tale]|13:04 Iain says, "Exactly!"
[tale]|13:05 Iain says, "Even S1 starts to drag a bit, I'd say."
[tale]|13:05 ghira says, "heroes only had one season"
[tale]|13:05 ghira says, "that was a bit hit and miss but broadly speaking worth it"
[tale]|13:05 Iain says, "Whereas I haven't seen Breaking Bad, but I keep hearing that the entire thing is great."
[tale]|13:05 lpsmith says, "S1 was fun and had one episode in particular I absolutely loved (Family Man)."
[tale]|13:05 Iain says, "Likewise Mad Men."
[tale]|13:05 two-star says, "I just recently watched S1, and I intend to go no further. But I thought it was worth it."
[tale]|13:05 ghira says, "if anyone tells you there were any later seasons, well, they're probably the sort of person who thinks babylon 5 had a fifth season or that black books had a third one"
[tale]|13:06 two-star says, "(Er, heroes)"
[lounge]|13:07 marc goes home.
[lounge]|13:07 * marc has disconnected.
[music]|13:09 K-Y says, "the Saint Etienne station on last.fm keeps playing Black Box Recorder"
[music]|13:09 K-Y says, "this is the most depressing band I have ever heard"
[tale]|13:11 Tale says (to ghira), "ha ha"
[tale]|13:11 Tale says, "Imagine BB had a third season that was not about a bookshop at all"
[music]|13:12 K-Y says, "for once I'm relieved a band retired because this stuff continuing to broadcast into the world is a freaky thought"
[tale]|13:14 Roger says, "I just recently saw an article about Mad Men which described Don Draper as 'straitlaced'.  I haven't even seen the show but I'm pretty sure that's inaccurate."
[tale]|13:14 inky says, "maybe they mean he is wearing a corset"
[daily-show]|13:18 Allen |  Delta Pulls Ads From Daily Show
[daily-show]|13:19 inky asks, "for what?"
[daily-show]|13:19 Allen | The bit in question appears to be Jon Stewart's "vagina manger" joke that included a photo-shopped picture of a tiny nativity manger between an otherwise naked woman's legs. (That description doesn't really do the the whole thing justice, you can watch the full thing for yourself here. The photo in question is at the 4:55 mark.)
[web-toons]|13:19 Roger says, "Leaky d20 is approaching 100 strips; it's holding up pretty well"
[daily-show]|13:19 inky says, "oh yeah that"
[web-toons]|13:19 Roger says, "(DM of the Rings meets the Harry Potter movies, in short)"
[daily-show]|13:20 inky asks, "wasn't that a while ago?"
[daily-show]|13:20 inky says, "I guess it takes a while to make corporate decisions"
[food]|13:21 Johnny says, "Goddamn."
[drinks]|13:23 Allen | So, prior to the 20th century, buttermilk could refer to at least three different categories of beverage: regular old milk that had gone sour; the sour byproduct of churning sour milk or cream into butter; and the "sweet" byproduct of churning fresh milk or cream into butter.
[videogames]|13:23 josh_g says, "I made a Portal 2 level, go play it!"
[drinks]|13:23 Allen | We know from accounts recorded for the Federal Writers' Project of the WPA that American slaves sometimes drank butter-byproduct buttermilk "slopped into hog troughs, maybe with some stale cornbread thrown in," according to Mendelson.
[videogames]|13:23 vimes says, "aww, look at that happy little octopus"
[lounge]|13:24 BrenBarn busta.
[videogames]|13:24 Tale asks, "How does one do that?"
[drinks]|13:24 Roger says, "It is a mysterious substance"
[videogames]|13:24 Tale says, "(Play it, I mean)"
[drinks]|13:24 Roger says, "I believe it's what's left over when you take the butter out of milk"
[videogames]|13:25 Johnny says (to Tale), "Workshop."
[videogames]|13:25 K-Y says, "first, buy the game"
[drinks]|13:25 ghira says, "I only know of the existence of buttermilk because of Wilbur being cleaned with it in "Charlotte's Web""
[videogames]|13:25 Tale says, "I should install it, then"
[videogames]|13:25 vimes says, "first, buy a computer"
[videogames]|13:25 Tale says, "Also, get going"
[lounge]|13:25 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|13:25 * Tale has disconnected.
[drinks]|13:25 Allen asks, "huh, it's not sold in stores?"
[drinks]|13:25 Allen asks, "in the UK?"
[drinks]|13:26 Allen says, "the modern thing is made with enzymes, but it's still labeled "buttermilk" here"
[personals]|13:26 BrenBarn | LOOKS MATTER! let's not be brilliant with one another only to find out days later there is no physical attraction. If your chin globularly merges into your neck, "we" will never be an option!!
[drinks]|13:26 ghira says, "it's never occurred to me to look for it"
[drinks]|13:26 ghira says, "maybe it exists but I've just never noticed"
[personals]|13:26 Iain says, "globularly"
[personals]|13:26 Iain says, "That's a neologism that comes from painful first-hand experience"
[drinks]|13:26 ghira says, "as I said, the only context I know it from is that book"
[personals]|13:27 BrenBarn says, "heh"
[personals]|13:27 vimes says, "so: she doesn't want to date the Criminologist"
[drinks]|13:27 Allen asks, "do you not drink milk?"
[drinks]|13:27 ghira says, "yes"
[drinks]|13:27 Allen says, "it's over there with the milk, alongside the heavy cream and the half-and-half"
[drinks]|13:27 ghira says, "no such thing as half-and-half here"
[web-toons]|13:27 K-Y says, "I am imagining how specific this could get"
[web-toons]|13:27 K-Y says, "writeups of your last week's sessions meet Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality"
[drinks]|13:27 ghira says, "maybe in specialist places. I mean in London you can probably get anything"
[web-toons]|13:28 Roger says, "Sadly it lives inside a deviantart gallery which makes navigation a little weird"
[drinks]|13:28 ghira says, "buttermilk, don't know. maybe I've just never noticed."
[personals]|13:28 BrenBarn | http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/w4m/3000527439.html
[drinks]|13:28 Iain says, "I think buttermilk can be gotten here but I may be misremembering."
[drinks]|13:28 Allen | In Canada and the United States, half and half (known as "half cream" in the United Kingdom)  ...
[drinks]|13:28 Iain says, "It's foul but useful in baking sometimes, I think."
[drinks]|13:28 * annabianca has joined the channel.
[drinks]|13:28 ghira says, "AB says it does exist here. ok, I've just not seen it."
[drinks]|13:28 Iain says, "I've never seen half cream."
[drinks]|13:28 Roger says, "Yeah it's a biscuit ingredient I think"
[drinks]|13:29 ghira says, "I have noticed single cream, double cream, sour cream, maybe some other kinds of cream. half cream... doesn't ring a bell. neither does buttermilk but I've never gone looking for it."
[drinks]|13:30 Allen says, "ok, lunch"
[drinks]|13:31 Roger says, "Heavy cream here is often called whipping cream"
[drinks]|13:31 vimes says, "creme de la creme"
[drinks]|13:31 ghira says, "creme de menthe"
[zarfplan]|13:32 zarf says, "and now, my nemesis: the preferences screen"
[zarfplan]|13:33 inky says, "[ ] antagonist   [*] nemesis   [ ] evil twin"
[zarfplan]|13:33 zarf says, "we meet again, but this time... I've turned on verbose debugging!"
[personals]|13:33 inky says, "this is pretty funny and I can't quite figure out why"
[personals]|13:33 inky says, "besides her name"
[personals]|13:33 BrenBarn says, "well, partly because of 'chizillin'"
[personals]|13:34 inky says, "yeah"
[personals]|13:34 inky says, "I guess I like the juxtaposition of that and economics"
[personals]|13:35 BrenBarn says, "anyway, it seems like a joke that's meant to parody stereotypical w4m posts"
[personals]|13:36 inky says, "alas"
[personals]|13:36 BrenBarn says, "this one is cute http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/w4m/3000527439.html "
[personals]|13:37 inky says, "that's the same one!"
[personals]|13:37 BrenBarn says, "oops"
[personals]|13:37 inky says, "I guess it was cute before so it is still cute"
[personals]|13:37 BrenBarn | http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/mis/3000208110.html
[drinks]|13:37 ghira says, "hmm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/7566654/What-happened-to-all-the-buttermilk.html "
[personals]|13:37 BrenBarn says, "for some reason copy-paste often doesn't seem to work in Firefox on the first try"
[personals]|13:37 BrenBarn says, "I wonder what's up with that"
[drinks]|13:37 ghira says, "this makes it sound as though it is obscure in the UK"
[diet]|13:38 Roger | So I did great yesterday and then at 330am I woke up with a cookie in my mouth
[drinks]|13:39 Roger asks, "Maybe it's not used in Indian cooking?"
[diet]|13:40 baf says, "woke of from a dream of eating a very hard, small pillow"
[web-toons]|13:41 baf asks, "Isn't Harry Potter RPG comic one of the alternate-universe ones in Darths & Droids?"
[web-toons]|13:42 baf says, "(Yes, it is: http://www.darthsanddroids.net/wandsandwarts/episodes/0050.html )"
[lounge]|13:43 BrenBarn flashes the "catch you later" handsign.
[drinks]|13:43 ghira says, "that would be ghee I guess"
[videogames]|13:43 josh_g says, "ok, I switched the level to Friends-only for now because I'm not sure if the last bit is too glitchy to be fun"
[lounge]|13:45 borowski wasn't listening, but he completely disagrees.
[lounge]|13:45 * borowski has disconnected.
[videogames]|13:48 josh_g | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=68605532
[workplace]|13:57 GDorn says, "so now there are three people using the standing desk on a daily basis.  might be time to request a second one."
[workplace]|13:58 GDorn says, "nobody wants to commit to using one full-time yet, but I'm getting there"
[lounge]|13:59 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[lounge]|14:00 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi olethros"
[workplace]|14:00 GDorn says, "it's the saddest standing desk ever, too.  it's this $70 riser from amazon that you stack on a normal desk.  Only there didn't turn out to be space for monitors and keyboards, so the monitors are on a second platform made primarily of outdated O'Reilly books."
[overheard]|14:01 Roger | I'd say something but I don't want to say something.
[jobs]|14:01 GDorn | We don't provide salary ranges at this point in the process
[workplace]|14:01 Ryan says, "I think that's pretty common, actually."
[workplace]|14:01 Ryan says, "Standing desks are still a fairly new concept, so the options for configuring them are pretty lacking."
[workplace]|14:02 josh_g says, "guy I knew who used a standing desk also had a tall bar-stool-height chair for when he needed to sit"
[workplace]|14:02 Ryan says, "My monitor at work is on a minitower lying on its side, for instance."
[workplace]|14:02 josh_g says, "seems like committing to it wouldn't be that huge if you've got that option"
[jobs]|14:02 GDorn says, "this company's one glassdoor review says a software engineer makes $36k there.  I can see why they don't mention salary at this point.  They probably try to avoid telling you salary until a month after you've worked there."
[videogames]|14:02 Johnny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amDtAPHH-zE
[videogames]|14:02 Johnny | Wolfenstein 3D Director's Commentary with John Carmack
[workplace]|14:03 GDorn says, "yeah, one of the devs that uses it regularly is considering the barstool option for when we pair on something"
[workplace]|14:03 GDorn says, "clearly the best solution is to dig a hole in the floor to stand in"
[lounge]|14:04 borowski is the new-age zensation that's sweeping the nation.
[jobs]|14:04 two-star says, "I only ever made $31k as a software engineer, but I wasn't any good, and that was 7 years ago."
[lounge]|14:04 borowski says, "hola"
[jobs]|14:04 GDorn says, "yeah, they're hoping for somebody with 3-5 years of experience in python and django."
[jobs]|14:05 GDorn says, "also, the company is called "Smarsh" which is just awesome."
[hardware]|14:07 josh_g says, "this: http://www.piccolo.cc/index.php "
[hardware]|14:07 josh_g says, "looks brilliant"
[hardware]|14:07 josh_g says, "and cheap!"
[hardware]|14:07 vimes says, "hey, neat"
[videogames]|14:11 Johnny says, "He begins playing about 8 minutes in."
[hardware]|14:12 zarf says, "nice"
[hardware]|14:12 vimes says, "i approve of drawing moustaches on power strips"
[hardware]|14:14 josh_g says, "I'm not sure how you could use it to do things in 3D, unless I guess you could convince it to hold a small dremel or something"
[hardware]|14:15 josh_g says, "or a spoon, and then have it scuplt a bowl of jello"
[hardware]|14:15 vimes says, "a flexible dremel extension tip, dremel mounted elsewhere, to avoid most of the torque problems"
[hardware]|14:15 josh_g asks, "oh, you can do that?"
[hardware]|14:15 vimes says, "sure (though i don't know how feasible it is for this little guy)"
[hardware]|14:15 vimes says, "another option is to hold the material, not the tool"
[hardware]|14:16 josh_g says, "oh ho"
[hardware]|14:16 josh_g says, "hmm, it could hold a soldering iron and melt something"
[hardware]|14:16 josh_g says, "that'd be wacky"
[hardware]|14:17 vimes says, "again, depending on this little guy this may or may not be feasible, but CNC bots are great for running a lathe"
[travel]|14:17 olethros says, "yow, that's cheap"
[travel]|14:17 olethros says, "416 EUR Geneva <-> Montreal"
[hardware]|14:17 josh_g says, "yeah actually there's a high school in town here that has that setup available"
[hardware]|14:18 vimes says, "(i suppose you could do a minilathe and run balsa through it, and then cast out to bronze or something)"
[lounge]|14:26 Yuri arrives from the east.
[lounge]|14:26 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Yuri"
[UK]|14:29 olethros says, "I still dont get why there is a married queen but no king"
[UK]|14:29 olethros says, "it's one of the things I never aksked"
[UK]|14:30 Psmith says, "because English happens to use the same word for 'queen regnant' and 'queen consort', but not for 'king' and 'prince consort'."
[lounge]|14:30 Jota arrives from the east.
[lounge]|14:30 Jota greets.
[UK]|14:30 olethros says, "so if you are queen, you get married, then you have a prince consort"
[UK]|14:30 olethros asks, "if you are king, you get married, then you have a queen consort ?"
[UK]|14:31 Psmith says, "Right."
[UK]|14:31 olethros says, "but only the queen or king is reigning in either case, respectively"
[UK]|14:31 Psmith says, "Exactly so."
[UK]|14:31 Psmith says, "[not bringing up historical counterexamples here, because they were unusual situations.]"
[UK]|14:33 Psmith says, "note that those are descriptive terms, not _titles_; a queen consort has the title Queen, just as a queen regnant does. A prince consort may have the title Prince Consort (eg, Prince Albert), but needn't (the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't.)"
[lounge]|14:34 genericgeekgirl says, "hi Jota"
[UK]|14:41 olethros asks, "ok, now, do duties differ?"
[UK]|14:41 olethros says, "(a simple yes/no will suffice)"
[UK]|14:41 Psmith says, "between a queen consort and a prince consort? No."
[UK]|14:42 Psmith says, ""hanging around looking royal, and occasional Good Works"."
[UK]|14:42 olethros says, "queen/king reignant"
[UK]|14:42 olethros asks, "?"
[UK]|14:42 zarf says, "the queen consort has to wear hats. The prince consort does not."
[UK]|14:42 olethros asks, "queen consort / reignant?"
[UK]|14:42 Psmith says, "Likewise no."
[UK]|14:43 Psmith says, "wait, between a queen consort and a queen regnant? Yes."
[UK]|14:43 olethros says, "and consequently, also between a prince consort / king"
[UK]|14:44 Psmith says, "a queen regnant has to do all the rulery stuff, like assenting to laws, meetings with the Prime Minister, receiving ambassadors, and all that malarkey."
[videogames]|14:45 olethros says, "bioshock infinite delayed to 2013"
[videogames]|14:45 olethros says, "I suppose choosing infinite/forever/similar in your game's title dooms you to endless delays"
[videogames]|14:46 vimes says, "push through!  announce Forever Infinite: Loop of Eternity!"
[videogames]|14:48 olethros asks, "what would it actually be about ?"
[videogames]|14:48 zarf says, "ITSELF."
[videogames]|14:48 olethros says, "ha!"
[videogames]|14:48 olethros says, "that is an interesting idea actually"
[videogames]|14:52 vimes says, "ha! indeed"
[lounge]|14:52 Dave says, "morning"
[jobs]|14:53 Dave says, "supposed to have a meeting/conference call this morning"
[jobs]|14:53 Dave says, "we had the meeting, but manager is in Reston and got called off"
[videogames]|14:53 Ryan says, "Just make a looping SMB world 1."
[jobs]|14:53 Dave says, "meeting starts with attempt to test system from front to back"
[jobs]|14:54 Dave says, "we got about 5 minutes in and the system broke"
[jobs]|14:55 Dave says, "took 4 hours to fix two issues...one was a security issue, the other was a hard-coded file path"
[jobs]|14:55 Dave says, "neither were in my code"
[amazon]|14:56 vimes says, "amazon just sent me an email, apparently legitimate, starting "Dear <customer name>, ""
[kickstarter]|14:56 Doug asks, "good gravy, the E-Paper watch raised $10 *million*?"
[kickstarter]|14:57 zarf says, "that *is* good gravy"
[security]|14:57 Allen says, "I hate virus checkers"
[security]|14:57 olethros says, "I usually take the patdown"
[security]|14:57 Allen says, "for 5 minutes it's been eating up 96% of my cpu. I can't even respond to an email"
[kickstarter]|14:58 Doug | http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/the-history-of-1-0
[security]|14:58 vimes says, "protecting you from viruses being able to execute code"
[kickstarter]|14:59 Doug says, "interesting that two watches have been the #1 kickstarter"
[kickstarter]|14:59 vimes | While Pebble is the latest project to hold the [most-funded project] crown, it's not the first.
[kickstarter]|15:00 vimes says, "Right, the first project ever was the first."
[greece]|15:00 ghira says, "guy #2 gives up"
[greece]|15:00 ghira says, " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18008179 "
[kickstarter]|15:00 vimes says, "(thankfully they do in fact list that fact)"
[security]|15:00 Dave says, "I love the ones at clients where it's locked and you can't prevent its execution"
[kickstarter]|15:00 Doug says, "I wonder what the most profitable project has been."
[security]|15:00 Dave says, "and this happens everyday at 4pm right in the middle of showing the manager something important"
[kickstarter]|15:01 zarf says, "ooh, that's tough"
[kickstarter]|15:01 Doug says, "although probably many still haven't fully delivered"
[food]|15:02 Dave says, "I should have gotten a larger smoothie"
[greece]|15:02 olethros says, "ok, good, I guess"
[kickstarter]|15:02 zarf says, "it's a fuzzy question. My expenses on HL so far are either $200 (for two years of iOS developer toolkit) or $$$ for two years of rent."
[food]|15:02 Dave says, "I've been cutting out the fries and swapping soda for smoothies"
[kickstarter]|15:02 zarf says, "year and a half"
[security]|15:02 olethros asks, "really? who thought of defaulting it to 4pm?"
[food]|15:02 Dave says, "this leaves me grumbly hungry"
[lounge]|15:03 borowski wasn't listening, but he completely disagrees.
[lounge]|15:03 * borowski has disconnected.
[greece]|15:03 ghira asks, "is this like papal elections? they can do this 20 times or more?"
[kickstarter]|15:03 Doug says, "but you'll have shipping costs too"
[security]|15:03 Dave says, "I've seen it at a couple of clients"
[greece]|15:03 olethros says, "the president can actually force them to do a coalition government"
[food]|15:03 Roger asks, "Want to hear something crazy?"
[greece]|15:03 olethros says, "I HEREBY APPOINT THEE PRIME MINSTER"
[food]|15:03 Roger says, "Some dietary guy is on record as recommending everyone chew everything, even things like smoothies."
[greece]|15:03 ghira asks, "can he slap them first?"
[money]|15:03 Doug asks, "so, how much should I expect/demand in terms of stock options from a startup?"
[food]|15:03 Roger says, "His theory is that it engages the digestive system more efficiently or something."
[money]|15:04 zarf asks, "how many employees?"
[money]|15:04 Doug says, "a friend of mine wrote a book about startups, and he has a table that says a Senior Software Engineer will typically get 0.1% of the company"
[money]|15:04 ghira says, "apparently some people I know who were in ARM when it started did very well indeed eventually"
[money]|15:04 Dave says, "depends on where you come in"
[money]|15:04 Doug says, "but the current offer turns out to be 0.025%.  But, they've been around for 6+ years and have had 3 rounds of funding"
[money]|15:05 Doug says, "around 30 employees, I think"
[money]|15:05 ghira says, "I think if someone mentioned bonuses or stock options in an interview I would hear the number "0""
[money]|15:06 zarf says, "my attitude towards stock options is that I have no rational way to estimate their value, so they're magic beans"
[money]|15:06 Dave says, "also depends on if they're trying to offset a high salary"
[money]|15:06 zarf says, "go with the offer if you want the job at the salary."
[money]|15:06 ghira says, "where I am the bonus was up to 10% then reduced to up to 5% but since it's really just 0, I don't care what it's up to"
[money]|15:06 Dave says (to zarf), "that's a good way to look at them"
[greece]|15:06 olethros | The Constitution provides, following the amendment of 2001, for the right of Greek citizens living abroad to vote for the legislative elections. Nevertheless, no law implementing the constitutional provision has yet been passed
[money]|15:06 Doug says, "well, I have 2 or 3 offers pending, and salary is likely to be equal."
[greece]|15:06 olethros says, "such procra.."
[money]|15:07 Doug says, "so fringe benefits like options might make a difference"
[money]|15:07 ghira says, "well if the salary is equal, the bonus/options are unlikely to be _negative_"
[money]|15:07 ghira says, "but treat them as "probably 0""
[money]|15:07 vimes says, "if you're not one of the first few employees before funding, options are almost certainly noise"
[money]|15:07 Dave asks (of doug), "what is the likelyhood of the options being worth something someday?"
[money]|15:07 ghira says, "maybe I'm just a very negative person"
[money]|15:07 Dave says, "in comparison to your possible interest in the other position"
[money]|15:07 Doug says (to Dave), "beats me.  strike price is... hm, that might not be public info"
[money]|15:08 ghira says, "similarly, in the UK I would regard anything about private medical cover as worth basically 0"
[lounge]|15:09 Rob comes right on in.
[money]|15:09 ghira says, "because I find it hard to imagine a situation in which it would be anything other than a fairly implausible tiebreaker"
[lounge]|15:09 Rob says, "glrt"
[money]|15:09 baf says, "I got some money off stock options once. A company I was working for got bought out by anothre company, and we all got paid for our stock options as part of the deal. I got like $200 or something."
[money]|15:10 vimes says, "i got a nasty letter from a lawyer indicating that any attempt to exercise my options would subject me to a large number of lawsuits once"
[money]|15:11 vimes says, "since i had two (yes, 2) options at the time, for a company with a strike price in the single-digit cents, this didn't much worry me"
[money]|15:11 ghira says, ""these options exist merely to persuade chumps to accept lower salaries. don't imagine you can actually get anything out of them, you peon!""
[lounge]|15:12 Hugo, porn, Hugo, porn, Hugo.
[money]|15:12 zarf says, "in contrast, it's worth recalling that my HKS stock options paid off nicely when HKS was acquired by Red Hat. I think by a factor of 5 (then to now)"
[money]|15:12 ghira says, "yeah, my Acorn / ARM buddies did nicely I'm told"
[money]|15:13 ghira says, "but the ARM ones were there from day 1"
[jobs]|15:13 vimes says, "whee, doing interviews every day this week"
[jobs]|15:13 vimes says, "(giving, that is)"
[jobs]|15:13 vimes says, "it gets tiring really fast, to the point where i'm astonished anyone is ever hired anywhere"
[money]|15:13 zarf says, "also note that I was HKS employee #3, and the acquisition was in Dot Com Bubble 1.0"
[jobs]|15:13 vimes says, "ha ha ha"
[jobs]|15:13 vimes says, "ilac"
[movie]|15:16 Rob says, "well I saw the avengers"
[movie]|15:16 Rob says, "and report back to say that gwyneth paltrow looks really good in a pair of cutoffs"
[movie]|15:16 baf asks, "Do you feel avenged?"
[money]|15:16 Dave says (to zarf), "lucky bastard"
[gayrights]|15:16 genericgeekgirl | The Weather Channel has confirmed there will be no more rainbows over North Carolina.
[movie]|15:17 Rob says, "perhaps it will start a fashion trend amongst teenaged girls"
[movie]|15:17 zarf says (to rob), "tru dat"
[movie]|15:17 Dave says (to rob), "no doubt"
[movie]|15:17 Rob says, "although judging by the high schoolers I've seen at the cafe, the current generation already favors immodestly short shorts"
[lounge]|15:17 Grocible says, "hey all"
[movie]|15:18 Rob says, "I'm in favor of this but marvel at the self confidence"
[lounge]|15:18 genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Grocible, Hugo, Rob"
[lounge]|15:18 Johnny says, "Hey Groc"
[lounge]|15:18 Johnny says, "Whoops, Hugo, Rob"
[movie]|15:18 baf says, "And she's like 40 or so."
[movie]|15:18 Dave says, "I see either the PINK shorts or yeah, the very tight short shorts"
[lounge]|15:18 Rob says, "hey Whoops"
[movie]|15:18 olethros says, "yeah me too. The rest is just a blur"
[movie]|15:18 vimes says, "you gents stare at highschool girl bottoms far more than i do"
[movie]|15:18 baf says, "A former coworker of mine went to high school with her."
[movie]|15:19 Dave says (to vimes), "I was at a middle school track meet yesterday"
[movie]|15:19 Dave says, "you'd have to put blinders on to avoid this sort of thing"
[i-am-an-idiot]|15:19 maga says, "so I thought my sunglasses were in the tennis bag"
[movie]|15:19 baf says, "Said coworker consequently managed to sell her high school yearbook on eBay for a couple thousand dollars."
[movie]|15:19 Jota says (to vimes), "Yeah, so take that back: Dave wasn't staring at *high*school girl bottoms at all."
[movie]|15:19 Dave says, "heh"
[movie]|15:19 olethros says, "oh finally a use for yearbooks"
[movie]|15:19 Dave says (to jota), "next year"
[movie]|15:20 Rob says, "they sort of burst into my world six at a time and a mere glance at the ruckus gets the fashion gist across"
[i-am-an-idiot]|15:20 maga says, "they weren't. I tore the apartment apart for the better part of an hour, including looking in the tennis bag four different times."
[movie]|15:20 ghira says, "I have seen the Avengers movie and am not sure I know what people here are talking about."
[movie]|15:20 Rob says, "ha ha"
[movie]|15:20 Ryan says, "o/~ who wears immodestly short shorts? da na na na na na na, we wear immodestly short shorts o/~"
[movie]|15:20 Rob says, "tony stark's assistant"
[i-am-an-idiot]|15:20 maga says, "I got myself pretty much convinced that I'd somehow left them behind at the tennis courts. They're prescription."
[movie]|15:20 olethros says, "see the US olympic team trains superteens for .."
[movie]|15:20 Rob says, "she of the 12% credit for the skyscraper"
[i-am-an-idiot]|15:20 maga says, "Turns out: they were in the tennis bag."
[movie]|15:20 baf says (to ghira), "We're talking about the new one, not the one with Uma Thurman and Sean Connery."
[movie]|15:20 ghira says, "yes I know that but I don't recall what she was wearing at all"
[movie]|15:20 ghira says, "yes I know that too"
[movie]|15:21 Rob says, "well, she crosses the room a few times"
[movie]|15:21 ghira says, "I saw it a week or two ago"
[movie]|15:21 Dave asks (of ghira), "really?"
[movie]|15:21 Rob says, "you have to want to look at her I suppose"
[movie]|15:21 zarf says, "(call Potts an 'assistant' and she will lay you out with some kung fu)"
[i-am-an-idiot]|15:21 Jota says, "At least the story didn't end 'and it was really hard to look for them because it was so dark everywhere I went...'"
[movie]|15:21 Rob says, "you could otherwise be looking at the background or at robert downey or at agent phil instead"
[movie]|15:21 Dave asks (of ghira), "are you opposed to women in shorts or something?"
[movie]|15:21 ghira says (to dave), "i think we saw it the second day it was out"
[movie]|15:21 Rob says (to zarf), "yerp"
[movie]|15:21 ghira says (to dave), "I'm not sure I have a policy on the matter either way."
[movie]|15:22 Rob says, "hee hee"
[lounge]|15:22 Hugo says, "Heyall."
[lounge]|15:22 Lionheart says, "Howdy"
[movie]|15:22 Dave says, "well I do"
[movie]|15:22 Rob says, "whereas I have drawn up this white paper prospectus, which you gentlemen should have received in your packets this morning"
[movie]|15:22 Dave exclaims, "the policy is pretty much ..shorts..shiny..hey!"
[movie]|15:23 Grocible says, "this movie sounds better all the time"
[movie]|15:23 Jota asks, "So you're not so much into matte fabrics?"
[movie]|15:23 Rob says, "actually I guess I laid out my position by bringing it up as the first topic of conversation about the movie"
[programming]|15:23 Hugo says, "I hate it when something that's not supposed to be working is working."
[movie]|15:23 Dave says (to rob), "I'm on board"
[movie]|15:23 Rob says, "I should also add that there are a lot of explosions"
[stuck-in-head]|15:24 maga says, "'cause beneath the weeping willow, there lies a weeping wino"
[movie]|15:24 ghira asks (of ab), "do women hereabouts wear shorts?"
[movie]|15:24 Dave says, "although the tight leather uniforms of Black Widow and the second in command weren't unnoticable either"
[movie]|15:24 Johnny asks (of Rob), "Are you pro-explosions?"
[movie]|15:24 Rob says, "hm I didn't ogle the second in command much I guess"
[movie]|15:24 olethros says, "I noticed british women wear shorts after 9pm"
[movie]|15:25 (from baf) Rob says, "Nah, I'm strictly amateur."
[movie]|15:25 Grocible asks, "CGI ones or real ones?"
[movie]|15:25 Rob says, "well I'm not anti-explosions. I guess I don't care for a movie that has little too offer apart from explosions"
[movie]|15:25 olethros asks, "cgi shorts?"
[movie]|15:25 Rob says, "like The Expendables 2"
[movie]|15:25 Grocible says, "(the explosions, not the shorts)"
[movie]|15:25 Dave asks (of rob), "do you watch How I Met Your Mother?"
[movie]|15:25 vimes says (to Rob), "or too much, in the case of shorts"
[movie]|15:25 Rob says (to Grocible), "both I guess, but rather a lot of CGI"
[movie]|15:25 Rob says, "and it's possible some of the CGI ones start out in the world as digitally filmed real explosions and then are goosed up and matted in"
[movie]|15:25 Rob says (to Dave), "nope"
[movie]|15:25 olethros asks, "in what way are explosions interesting though?"
[movie]|15:26 baf says, "One of the things I like about Pixar movies is that they're generally preceded by really good CGI shorts."
[movie]|15:26 Rob says, "hee hee"
[movie]|15:26 olethros says, "ha ha"
[movie]|15:26 Rob says, "one of the advertising lines for Avengers promises that it will blast away all of your senses"
[movie]|15:26 Grocible says, "hubba hubba"
[tangent]|15:26 Jota says, "I am reminded of the fact that I tend to be bored by explosions in movies in general, despite enjoying watching real (safe) explosions."
[movie]|15:26 Rob says, "to which I wanted to answer, 'what, even my sense of smell?'"
[tangent]|15:26 Rob asks, "when do you get to see real explosions?"
[movie]|15:26 Grocible says, "smell-o-vision didn't do so well, I suppose"
[tangent]|15:26 Jota says, "It's like, if it's part of a movie, my brain automatically dismisses it as just fictional and doesn't get any pleasure from it."
[tangent]|15:27 olethros says, "how .. yes"
[tangent]|15:27 Jota says (to Rob), "Mythbusters."
[movie]|15:27 vimes says, "reeeeeeeal hulllllllllllllllllllllllllllk-sweat                                      popcorn"
[movie]|15:27 ghira says, "we'll blast peppermint into your left nostril and powdered ginger into your rigt"
[tangent]|15:27 Jota asks, "Is anyone else like that?"
[tangent]|15:27 olethros says, "but there explosions have sense"
[movie]|15:27 vimes says, "woah, whaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttttttt tttttttttthe   heeeeeeeeeeeckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk"
[tangent]|15:27 Rob says, "oh I thought maybe there was some club out in the woods that liked to set things off"
[tangent]|15:27 olethros says, "in most recent movies explosions are just background noise"
[tangent]|15:27 Jota says, "Not that I know of, but that would be cool too."
[movie]|15:27 Dave says, "of course the balance of beefcake to cheesecake is slightly on the beefcake side"
[tangent]|15:27 Jota says, "Oh, and fireworks."
[movie]|15:27 vimes says, "oh, hey, bluetooth lag, sorry about that"
[movie]|15:27 Dave says, "hence the 40% female viewing demographic"
[tangent]|15:27 olethros says, "take for example the birdge on the river kwai explosion"
[tangent]|15:28 olethros says, "fireworks are also boring"
[movie]|15:28 Rob says, "I saw Avengers with this girl who's my movie-buddy"
[movie]|15:28 Grocible says, "hm. here's a photo of gwynneth paltrow"
[tangent]|15:28 olethros says, "they have no consequence"
[movie]|15:28 Grocible says, "she does look pretty good for her age"
[tangent]|15:28 Jota says, "I am usually more entertained by a little real firework than a huge movie explosion."
[movie]|15:28 Rob says, "and at one point she made rowr noises about captain america's butt"
[movie]|15:28 Grocible says, "though hollywood makeup is well advanced I'm sure"
[tangent]|15:28 olethros says, "I guess I am an antiexplosionist"
[tangent]|15:28 olethros says, "are maybe just aexplosal"
[movie]|15:28 Jota says (to Rob), "So it has something for everyone! Except ghira."
[tangent]|15:29 Rob says, "yay aexplosal"
[tangent]|15:29 Roger says, "You may also like the bridge explosion in A Mule for Sister Sara"
[movie]|15:29 Grocible says, "there was this awesome scene where they talk about routing switch latency and ghira was like whooaaaarrr"
[movie]|15:29 Rob says, "hee hee"
[lounge]|15:29 genericgeekgirl goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[tangent]|15:29 olethros says, "sorry I meant asexplosal"
[movie]|15:29 ghira clutches his pearls
[movie]|15:29 Dave says, "now, if they could have weasled Jennifer Aniston into a few scenes, it would have been perfect"
[tangent]|15:30 Roger says, "Also the explosion in The Other Guys was pretty sweet.  Well, its aftermath."
[movie]|15:30 Grocible says, ""this is Citrix IOS! I know this!""
[movie]|15:30 Rob asks (of Dave), "did you see her in horrible bosses?"
[movie]|15:30 Dave says, "yes"
[movie]|15:30 Rob says, "hence"
[movie]|15:30 Dave says, "it didn't hit me like I thought it might"
[movie]|15:30 Dave says, "i was sort of put off"
[movie]|15:30 Rob says, "well she looked kind of weirdly plastic"
[movie]|15:30 Dave says, "yeah"
[movie]|15:30 Rob says, "I dunno what it was but if you thought the same thing there must be something going on"
[movie]|15:30 Dave says, "the recent one was way better"
[movie]|15:30 ghira says, "I do recall thinking Loki's horns in the movie were very silly."
[movie]|15:31 ghira says, "but I gather they're very silly in the comics"
[movie]|15:31 Rob says, "I thought they looked good just because they were a lot like one of the classic comic Loki headwear"
[movie]|15:31 Rob says, "and the guy did his best to wear them with arrogant dignity"
[movie]|15:31 Dave asks, ";..rob seen Wanderlust?"
[movie]|15:31 Rob says, "nope"
[movie]|15:32 Dave says, "I liked it"
[movie]|15:33 Dave says, "Loki seemed like a bit of the whimpy overreaching douchebag and not really a terrible archenemy"
[movie]|15:33 zarf says, "it tied in well with Thor"
[tangent]|15:33 Roger says, "Best implosion?  Hmmm.  Probably some submarine movie."
[lounge]|15:33 Tale is an obscure allusion to Beast Wars Second: "Chi seimeitai Transformer", which featured a celestial rabbit named Moon, who lived on the moon.
[lounge]|15:33 Tale says, "hi"
[tangent]|15:33 Rob says, "yeah I know I've seen something like that in"
[tangent]|15:33 Rob says, "oh wait, there's the way that michael biehn dies in The Abyss"
[lounge]|15:34 genericgeekgirl enters the lounge. Rob congratulates genericgeekgirl on her arrival, and then leads everybody present in a cossack dance.
[tangent]|15:34 Rob says, "also the way that jupiter dies in 2010"
[movie]|15:34 Dave says, "someone has to ghira quote the the pearls comment"
[tangent]|15:34 olethros says, "ha ha"
[lounge]|15:34 Rob says, "huzza huzza hey hey hey"
[movie]|15:34 ghira says, "enh"
[tangent]|15:34 Roger says, "I couldn't bring myself to watch that"
[tangent]|15:34 Rob says, "it has a couple of good bits"
[tangent]|15:35 Rob says, "terribly dated to the cold war now"
[tangent]|15:35 Rob says, "though they did get right that people have laptops in 2010"
[tangent]|15:35 Tale says, "Best explosion needs to mention TG,TB & TU"
[tangent]|15:35 olethros says, "wait I thought you meant the planet"
[tangent]|15:35 Rob says, "they just had to use an Apple //c to simulate it"
[tangent]|15:35 Rob says (to olethros), "I did"
[movie]|15:35 ghira asks, "I wonder what I would have seen Helen Mirren in before 2010. had Prime Suspect already started by then?"
[tangent]|15:35 olethros says, "ah ok"
[lounge]|15:35 genericgeekgirl wanders off for a bit.
[tangent]|15:35 Rob asks (of Tale), "T what T who T hanh?"
[tangent]|15:35 olethros asks, "what of the cold war then ?"
[tangent]|15:36 Tale says, "The Good, The Bad and the Ugly"
[tangent]|15:36 Rob says (to olethros), "I don't get what you're confused about, but your confusion is now retroactively confusing me"
[movie]|15:36 ghira says, "well, I never knew that she was Born:"
[tangent]|15:36 Tale says, "I'm confused by Rob's confusion about your confusion"
[movie]|15:36 ghira says, "er"
[movie]|15:36 ghira says, "born Ilyena Lydia Vasilievna Mironoff"
[movie]|15:37 Rob says, "I think I may have heard that somewhere"
[lounge]|15:37 Ellison arrives from the west with fresh air in his lungs and a bee in his bonnet.
[lounge]|15:37 Ellison says, "hey all"
[movie]|15:37 ghira says, "prime suspect 1 1991"
[movie]|15:37 Rob says, "Ilyena Mironoff -> Helen Mirren, interesting"
[lounge]|15:37 Rob says, "el"
[movie]|15:37 baf says, "Loki reminded me a little of the Order of the Dragon from Fans! (a webcomic). They had magical powers and a world-domination scheme, but eventually it bacame clear that it was a profoundly stupid scheme that hadn't a prayer of giving them what they want. It would just, as a side-effect, unleash massive chaos and destruction."
[movie]|15:37 ghira says, "2010 1984, so ok"
[lounge]|15:37 genericgeekgirl enters, then jumps up, wrapping her arms and legs around you and shouting, "Daddy! Daddy!"
[lounge]|15:37 genericgeekgirl rewaves.
[movie]|15:37 ghira says, "oh, long good friday"
[movie]|15:38 ghira says, "which looks like the earliest thing I'll have seen her in"
[jobs]|15:38 Jota says, "Argh I cannot concentrate on actually doing work."
[tangent]|15:38 Roger says, "It was pretty excellent how they used that tetraflouride stuff in The Abyss to breathe."
[lounge]|15:38 Johnny says, "Hi L and ggg"
[obama-rox]|15:40 Roger says, "Well that's good."
[movie]|15:40 Rob says, "I recently saw The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover for the first time since it was released"
[movie]|15:40 Rob says, "and I was surprised to retroactively recognize helen mirren and michael gambon"
[movie]|15:41 baf says, "Hm. I was reading an analysis of that recently."
[movie]|15:41 Rob says, "this is another one of those movies I mentioned recently as a phenomenon, where it pops into my head and I think hmm I'd like to see that again, and then suddenly it's on cable"
[dreams]|15:41 Ellison says, "#drugs I had this dream where I met this drug dealer. his compatriots came by for a smoke session. besides passing around pipes, though, they were also passing around these metal spheres. they had somehow bonded nitrous oxide to regular vapor, and some kind of surface tension kept a nitrous fog swirling around these spheres, so someone would pass a sphere to the next guy. he'd lean in and inhale from the vapor. and so on. anyhow, despite being scientifically unsound, I thought it a cool idea when I woke up."
[dreams]|15:42 Rob says, "mm"
[dreams]|15:42 Ellison says, "in the dream, I partook in the nitrous but not the marijuana."
[dreams]|15:42 Rob says, "did you get a buzz"
[dreams]|15:43 Ellison says, "not really"
[dreams]|15:44 Roger says, "When I woke up my voice was so squeaky"
[lounge]|15:44 RootShell has a sheet of triangle-grid paper, a straightedge, an X-acto knife, and several sheets of 3M Diamond Scotchlite vinyl.
[dreams]|15:44 Ellison says, "ha"
[lounge]|15:44 RootShell says, "Hello all"
[lounge]|15:44 Ellison says, "hey RootShell"
[lounge]|15:44 Rob says, "sudo greet rootshell"
[lounge]|15:45 RootShell (to rob) )
[lounge]|15:45 RootShell says (to Ellison), "Hi"
[lounge]|15:45 Rob says, "hm I think I might try writing something"
[dreams]|15:45 Roger says, "There's that real thingy that vapourizes alcohol"
[lounge]|15:45 Rob says, "though I may have to logoff to concentrate on it"
[dreams]|15:46 Rob says, "and other stuff"
[lounge]|15:46 Tale says, "Speaking of strange tree-crab mutants, it's RootShell"
[lounge]|15:46 Rob says, "zrp"
[lounge]|15:46 Rob moseys right on out.
[lounge]|15:46 Roger says, "I am in favour of Rob going away."
[news]|15:46 Dave says, "Obama endorses gay marriage"
[news]|15:46 Dave says, "love the Foxnews comments"
[news]|15:47 Tale says, "Oh no, people want to pursue their personal happiness! how unamerican"
[news]|15:47 zarf says, "sarcasm not needed"
[news]|15:47 Ellison says, "ha"
[movie]|15:50 Doug asks, "so what was the verdict on the Hunger Games flick?"
[movie]|15:50 vimes says, "laura saw it and says it was pretty good, slightly wimpy ending, horribly underdone costumes in the capitol"
[movie]|15:51 Doug says, "I haven't read the books (and don't particularly plan to)"
[lounge]|15:52 RootShell asks (of Tale), "... WOW im a tree-crab mutant?"
[lounge]|15:53 RootShell http://www.ifreviews.org
[jobs]|15:54 Jota says, "I wonder if I should sneak out early and try to make up the time on a day when I can actually concentrate."
[jobs]|15:54 Roger says, "I endorse that."
[lounge]|15:55 Tale says, "Oops, he took that too hard"
[jobs]|15:56 vimes says, "very good idea"
[lounge]|15:56 Roger says, "afk molting"
[lounge]|15:56 Ellison says, "the thing about tree-crabs is that you shouldn't be fooled by their hard outer shells"
[lounge]|15:58 Roger says, "Look beyond that to their delicious soft interior"
[Windows]|15:58 Allen says, "Ok, this Windows power shell has got some sweet syntactic sugar"
[Windows]|15:59 Allen says, "(and some annoyances)"
[lounge]|15:59 Ellison says, "heh"
[politics]|15:59 Doug asks, "so are they gonna target Obama as a flip-flopper now because of the gay marriage thing?"
[politics]|15:59 Allen says, "oh, has he evolved"
[politics]|15:59 Allen asks, "?"
[politics]|16:00 McMartin says, "Apparently so"
[politics]|16:00 McMartin says, "It's like Pokemon"
[politics]|16:00 vimes says, "obama evolved into obamarama"
[politics]|16:00 vimes says, "timing"
[politics]|16:00 Allen says, "I prefer to say "His stance has widened""
[politics]|16:00 McMartin says, "Tomorrow, Mitt Romney will take credit for the stance shift"
[politics]|16:00 Allen says, "he has a wide stance"
[politics]|16:01 baf says, "Well, a wider stance makes you... stabler, I suppose."
[politics]|16:01 McMartin says, "Now that you bring it up, Allen, that's a line of attack you don't see much"
[videogames]|16:01 Tale says, "Good god you gotta be friggin kiddin me"
[politics]|16:01 Allen asks, "what line of attack?"
[videogames]|16:01 Tale says, "The Wolfenstein 3-d DC video is not available in Germany"
[politics]|16:01 McMartin says, "Given everything *else* Obama is accused of being, I can't think of any cases of him being accused of being a gay predator hunting god-fearing straights"
[videogames]|16:01 Johnny says, "Of course not."
[videogames]|16:02 McMartin says, "Needs to be patched so he's fighting the Not-Zis."
[politics]|16:02 Allen says, "oh. I just have loved the Larry Craig line from the start"
[gdornination]|16:02 GDorn says, "dear whoever just called me:  chances are really good that I didn't want you to call me.  learn to email."
[politics]|16:02 Allen says, "(as I've made many jokes about it over the past 2 years. It's too bad it's getting kinda old and people don't remember it anymore)"
[gdornination]|16:02 GDorn says, "seriously, I'm going to change my phone number and only give it to friends and (maybe) family."
[politics]|16:03 McMartin says, "There was a study recently regarding the strong correlation with being a frothing homophobe and being a closet case"
[politics]|16:03 Doug says, "I'm just thinking, I doubt anyone who is against gay marriage was ever going to vote for Obama anyway.  But I could see independents who are for gay marriage saying 'so why wasn't he for them all along?'"
[politics]|16:03 Allen says, "I'm sure lots of people against it have voted for him"
[politics]|16:03 McMartin says, "And lots of people for it voted for him despite him not being good enough on it"
[politics]|16:04 Allen says, "I doubt many people who are single-issue voters on the issue voted for him..."
[politics]|16:04 McMartin says, "I'm sure they are already coming up with reasons why it's bad that he's now claiming to be no their side"
[gdornination]|16:04 GDorn says, "hahaha.  it's the recruiter agency for that PlayHaven job, which I emailed yesterday about not being interested in following up on"
[lounge]|16:05 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[gdornination]|16:05 GDorn says, "suggesting that I actually go interview with them to find out what they actually expected from me, which is funny because when I went to talk to the recruiter he went out of his way to explain that there would be long hours."
[politics]|16:06 Allen | http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/an-obama-gay-marriage-timeline
[gdornination]|16:06 GDorn says, "in short, pressuring me to continue applying for a job I've made it clear I'm not interested in."
[gdornination]|16:06 GDorn says, "I see no reason not to go back to ignoring this agency outright."
[romance-novels]|16:15 inky says, "did this go around yet? http://boingboing.net/2012/05/09/odd-1968-romance-novel-cover.html "
[politics]|16:16 inky says (to Doug), "hmm"
[gdornination]|16:16 GDorn says, "oh, yeah, this is the same recruiting agency that my current company is locked into using for all tech-related hiring."
[politics]|16:16 inky says, "see, I would guess it's the other way around"
[politics]|16:16 inky says, "explicitly pro-gay marriage people are mostly going to vote for Obama, possibly while holding their noses"
[politics]|16:17 inky says, "and he's backing off because he doesn't want to lose potential anti-gay-marriage folks"
[Europe]|16:17 olethros | I don't recall whether back in 1991 people quipped about Kohlrrand or Mitterohl, as everyone now does about Merkozy giving way to Merde
[politics]|16:19 olethros says, "I just want to say one thing"
[politics]|16:19 olethros says, "LOG CABIN REPUBLICANSA"
[politics]|16:19 olethros says, "without the last A of surprise"
[politics]|16:20 McMartin | The President of the United States: now in the 21st Century
[politics]|16:20 McMartin says, "That would be Shep Smith of Fox News, who must have some *seriously* compromising photos of Roger Ailes"
[politics]|16:21 Fang says, "I guess this cynical political realistic view"
[politics]|16:21 Fang says, "is that Obama needs to re-energise his base"
[politics]|16:21 Fang says, "the pro-gay might not be voting for Romney"
[politics]|16:22 Fang says, "but they may not be voting at all"
[politics]|16:22 Fang says, "so from that perspective, this NC decision is an opportunity"
[politics]|16:22 Fang says, "since it gets stuff into the headlines"
[politics]|16:23 Fang says, "I suspect the republicans don't really want to be cornered on this gay marriage issue, because it to some extent splits their base"
[politics]|16:23 McMartin says, "CEO class tends to be pro-gay marriage, IIRC"
[politics]|16:24 Fang says, "since the libertarian wing are decidedly more iffy on the gay marriage ban, yes"
[politics]|16:24 Allen says, "I recall a floor poll of the people attending the GOP convention in 2008, by a majority, supported gay marriage"
[politics]|16:25 olethros asks, "what % of the GOP wing are religious conservatives?"
[politics]|16:25 Allen says, "I think the traditional way to talk about it is "This is a state issue. The federal government shouldn't be getting involved. I believe personally that blah blah blah but my personal beliefs shouldn't be imposed on states""
[politics]|16:26 Allen | "If you don't support the death penalty and citizens packing a pistol, don't come to Texas. If you don't like medicinal marijuana and gay marriage, don't move to California," Perry warns in his book.
[politics]|16:26 Fang says (to Allen), "yes, that's the compromise position"
[politics]|16:26 Allen says, "like the death penalty, I hear those things are imposed on you if you travel to California"
[politics]|16:27 McMartin says, "That's also funny because California has had its own version of Amendment 1 for years"
[lounge]|16:27 Tale is fired from breathing.
[lounge]|16:27 * Tale has disconnected.
[politics]|16:27 olethros says, "ah, logic."
[politics]|16:27 olethros says, "how many open windows it can fly out of and away"
[politics]|16:27 McMartin says, "That's evidence, not logic. This is logic:"
[politics]|16:28 Fang says, "but the religious conservatives are unlikely to continue to be satisfied with republican presidential candidates that merely tolerate religious conservatism"
[politics]|16:28 McMartin says, "I've always wondered how gay marriage destroys straight marriage. I've more or less decided people who claim this are actually raging closet cases who would run off with a MOTSS at the first opportunity"
[politics]|16:28 olethros asks, "evidence of Perry's lack of logic?"
[politics]|16:28 McMartin says, "Logic's only as good as the facts you base it on; the problem is in the facts. 'If you don't like things in location X, don't go to location X' is reasonably OK logically"
[politics]|16:29 olethros says, "no it's not"
[politics]|16:29 olethros says, "as Allen pointed out"
[politics]|16:29 McMartin says, "Depends on the things, yes"
[politics]|16:29 baf says, "I remember that when California Proposition 8 was up for vote, one of my coworkers sent out an email to the company titled 'Save my marriage!' -- because if the measure passed, she suddenly wouldn't be legally married any more."
[politics]|16:29 olethros says (to baf), "it was retroactive? shit"
[politics]|16:29 Fang says, "I mean, the 'states decide' compromise makes some logical sense for the libertarians, but if you are a religious conservative, and these are essential moral issues to you, the states' rights position sounds like moral cowardice"
[politics]|16:30 McMartin says (to olethros), "'If you don't like murder, don't commit it' doesn't work"
[politics]|16:30 Fang says, "and you'd feel like you are being used. Which, well, you are."
[politics]|16:30 baf says, "Well, the state no longer recognized it, anyway."
[politics]|16:31 McMartin says (to Fang), "States' Rights is generally code for 'the feds are unconscionably stopping us from oppressing people the way we feel is right'"
[politics]|16:31 McMartin says, "So it doesn't work as well if you think you can actually take over the feds and get your way everywhere"
[politics]|16:31 McMartin says, "States' Rights is the position you take when you think that battle has been permanently lost"
[politics]|16:31 baf says, "I'm not sure what happens if you got married in California before Prop. 8 got passed and then after it got passed you moved to a different state that recognizes same-sex marriage. I suppose it would be valid there."
[politics]|16:33 McMartin says, "There was also the question of what the result was from SF municipal government just casually defying it for a few days"
[politics]|16:33 baf says, "So I suppose that in that sense it wouldn't be retroactive. You *did* get married. It's just that where that marriage is recognized changed."
[politics]|16:33 olethros says, "it's like cell reception when moving between two different zones if your provider in the first state shuts down ... ."
[greece]|16:35 olethros says, "oh I like these"
[greece]|16:35 olethros | http://www.athensnews.gr/sites/athensnews/files/tsiprasamara.jpg http://www.athensnews.gr/sites/athensnews/files/tsiprabenni.jpg
[greece]|16:35 olethros says, "new guy making old guys uncomfortable"
[politics]|16:36 McMartin says, "Ah, here we go"
[politics]|16:36 McMartin says, "Public Policy Polling indeed confirms that most people who are opposed to marriage equiality *already* thought Obama supported it."
[politics]|16:38 Allen says (to McMartin), "which he did"
[politics]|16:38 Fang says, "well, they probably also thought he was an atheist muslim communist elitist"
[politics]|16:38 Allen says, "and didn't and did and didn't and did"
[politics]|16:38 two-star says, "If the question is, "Did he support it secretly?" I suppose we can't know, but probably."
[politics]|16:38 Allen | Obama in 2010: My feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this.
[politics]|16:38 baf says, "So really this is kind of like when the writers on Superman back in the late 1930s said 'You know what? Everyone thinks he flies. Let's stop trying to explain all the time that he just leaps tall buildings in a single bound and officially let him fly.'"
[politics]|16:39 Allen says, "so, I'd be worried that in 2014 he may come to a completely different conclusion"
[politics]|16:39 Allen says, "like shaking an etch-a-sketch!"
[politics]|16:39 Fang asks, "has anyone gone pro-gay and went back on it?"
[politics]|16:40 olethros says, "well they say counceling helps"
[politics]|16:40 Allen says, "well, from the link I posted:"
[politics]|16:40 Allen | Obama in 1996: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages,and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages."
[politics]|16:40 Dave says, "I still believe Obama is an atheist"
[politics]|16:40 McMartin says, "Forced Gay Sharia Marriages For All"
[politics]|16:41 Dave says, "also, Obama is from Chicago where there is a very large politically connected gay community"
[politics]|16:41 olethros says, "I am not sure Obama is an atheist"
[politics]|16:41 olethros says, "not that it matters at all"
[politics]|16:41 Dave says (to olethros), "I'm not sure, but I think he might be...we'll never know"
[politics]|16:41 McMartin says, "There is no particular evidence for him being nonreligious"
[politics]|16:41 Fang says, "I find it unlikely Obama is an atheist"
[politics]|16:42 Dave says, "his mom was"
[politics]|16:42 olethros says, "he was frequenting some church when he was still a studnet"
[politics]|16:42 olethros says, "there was this whole preacher burhaha"
[politics]|16:42 McMartin says, "If you want to claim that deep in his heart he doesn't believe in God but nevertheless is a regular churchgoer &c &c &c then I can't stop you but this is a spectacularly pointless exercise if so"
[politics]|16:42 Fang says, "maybe he just likes the music"
[politics]|16:43 baf says, "In that case, we should find out what sort of music his church plays and judge him on that."
[politics]|16:43 olethros says, "also church chyx"
[politics]|16:44 olethros says, "he was working with churches in his early adulthood"
[news]|16:44 Allen | So-Called L.I. 'Hot Dog Hooker' Delivers 6-Minute 'I'm Sexy' Rant to Reporters
[politics]|16:45 olethros says, "he was baptized... in 1988 ... so quite old"
[news]|16:45 Allen | She says she's a hot dog stripper, not a hot dog hooker. "Prostitution is sex. I'm not selling sex, I'm selling my cleavage," Scalia told CBS 2?s Derricke Dennis Wednesday night.
[politics]|16:45 olethros says, "one of the few conscious baptisms"
[news]|16:45 Fang says, "I'm going to pretend this is Justice Scalia"
[news]|16:45 Allen says, "yes!"
[news]|16:46 Allen | Scalia walked out of Nassau County Jail Tuesday celebrating, saying "I'm sexy and I know it everybody."
[news]|16:46 olethros says, "participating in bunga bunga parties"
[news]|16:46 K-Y says, "let's get the pointless 'Scalia or Scalia' quiz out of the way now"
[dinner]|16:46 olethros says, "mmm pie"
[news]|16:47 olethros asks, "?"
[news]|16:47 K-Y says, "see recent xkcd &c."
[news]|16:47 McMartin says (to olethros), "Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia"
[politics]|16:47 Allen | Former White House hopeful Bachmann now Swiss citizen
[news]|16:48 olethros asks, "yeah, I know Scalia, but which other Scalia?"
[news]|16:48 olethros says, "sorry, I don't read xkcd"
[politics]|16:48 McMartin says, "What does this do with respect to birtherist conspiracy theories"
[news]|16:48 Allen | http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/08/hot-dog-hooker-catherine-scalia-to-reporters-im-sexy-and-i-know-it-everybody/
[news]|16:48 two-star says (to olethros), "The hot dog stripper. Keep up."
[politics]|16:49 olethros asks, "how did she get citizenship if she doesn't even live here?"
[politics]|16:49 olethros says, "oh, husband"
[firearms]|16:50 Fang | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txeGZoBW7vY
[politics]|16:51 two-star | Current White House Likewise Hopeful
[firearms]|16:52 Fang says, "this is both horrifying and awesome"
[firearms]|16:53 olethros says, "what is the point of this"
[firearms]|16:53 Allen says, "pure american ingenuity"
[firearms]|16:54 olethros says, "can you really do that? the barrels would be hot"
[news]|16:54 Johnny says (to olethros), "No need to apologize."
[firearms]|16:55 Fang says, "you probably can't"
[firearms]|16:55 Fang says, "but I want to see it in a movie or something"
[firearms]|16:56 Fang says, "maybe dual wielded"
[Europe]|16:56 olethros | The Bundesbank, the most hawkish of central banks, has signalled it would accept higher inflation in Germany as part of an economic rebalancing in the eurozone that would boost the international competitiveness of countries worst-hit by the region's debt crisis.
[firearms]|16:56 Fang says, "four guns"
[firearms]|16:56 olethros says, "one in your ass, one in your mouth"
[Europe]|16:56 olethros says, "well, well."
[Europe]|16:57 olethros says, "maybe the radical left greek guy was not so stupid after all"
[firearms]|16:58 Fang says, "hard to do any one-liners that way"
[firearms]|16:58 Fang says, "or smoke a cigar"
[firearms]|16:58 olethros says, "dual wield a cigar and a glock in the mouth"
[firearms]|16:58 olethros says, "you can fire the glock to light it"
[lounge]|16:58 Rob comes right on in.
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Rob says, "rerp"
[news] Rob asks, "he did?"
[politics] McMartin says, "Ah, here is a more expected Fox response"
[politics] McMartin | http://i46.tinypic.com/au8ly1.jpg
[politics] McMartin says, "I can't tell if this is a shp"
[politics] McMartin says, "shop"
[politics] McMartin says, "It's definitely not a Shep"
[politics] Rob says, "the black community is against gay marriage, so that is a large constituency who were going to vote for Obama anyway who don't like the idea"
[politics] Rob says, "but they will arguably still vote for him"
[jobs] Dave says, "I just realized that knowledge transfer also means nap until 5pm"
[politics] Dave says, "if there's a rferendum, the black community will generally vote against gay marriage"
[politics] Dave says, "but where voting for an elected official is concerned, the support of gay marriage won't change their vote"
[politics] McMartin says, "I'm pretty sure the incredibly hysterical racebaiting from the Republicans for the past four years will end up dominating."
[politics] Dave says, "Obama has 90% of the black community on his side....I doubt he loses anything close to 1% because of this"
[politics] Dave says, "the Hispanic vote may be more open to changing their vote if Romney can convince them he's on their side....but I really doubt he can do that with all of the new state laws cracking down on migrant workers and illegals"
[politics] Rob says, "he'll gain more from the LGBT vote I suppose"
[politics] Rob says, "the hispanic gap for romney is gigantic"
[food] zarf asks, "is there such a thing as bacon fried rice?"
[food] zarf says, "I mean, *before today*"
[food] Rob says, "why not"
[food] Rob says, "I guess this is going to sound bad, but my mom used to make spam fried rice"
[food] Rob says, "it seasoned it up pretty nicely"
[food] Rob says, "then we as a family stopped eating spam"
[politics] Dave says, "but if I read the polls, the bigger gap in the entire gay marriage issue is age...people under 40 don't care"
[politics] Rob says, "yeah, but more 40+ than -40 people vote"
[politics] Dave says, "yes"
[politics] Rob says, "but eventually those under-40s are going to be the voting bloc"
[politics] Dave says, "when the boomer votes starts to fall"
[politics] Rob says, "I was just musing today that we're muscling up on GenX'ers being of age to fill the legislature and the presidency"
[politics] baf says, "Well."
[politics] Rob asks, "are there 40 year olds in congress now?"
[politics] baf says, "That depends on whether not voting is an age thing or a generational thing."
[politics] Rob says, "I think it is somewhat an age thing"
[politics] Rob says, "but I don't have the science to prove it"
[politics] Rob says, "just like people getting more conservative as they grow up and earn money and think, 'hey, the party that wants me to keep all my money is for me'"
[politics] vimes says, "time to stick some people in the science enrighment voting booths"
[politics] vimes says, "*enrichment"
[politics] McMartin says, "I dunno, my parents are like 60 and have identified the party that doesn't think they should ever be able to retire"
[politics] Rob says, "I don't know if anyone saw that scorsese talk-documentary about fran leibowitz (which is very entertaining)"
[indie-games] baf | Namatjira is a game where you survey an alien planet and lie about what you find there.
[indie-games] vimes says, "i went to an alien planet and i saw an apple"
[politics] Rob says, "she spoke as if dumbfounded about how the biggest gay rights issues now (or at the time, a year and a half ago) were gay marriage and gays in the military. 'those were the big plusses of being gay! that you didn't have to serve in the military and that you didn't have to get married!'"
[indie-games] Rob says, "are you lying"
[indie-games] vimes says, "this statement is false"
[indie-games] Rob says, "ok"
[indie-games] vimes says, "er, wait, i mean bal"
[indie-games] Rob asks, "bal?"
[indie-games] baf says (to Rob), "Da."
[indie-games] vimes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_and_Knaves
[politics] olethros says, "ha ha"
[politics] olethros says, "funny thing is, gay people want the same things non-gay people want (apart from some slight shift of tastes)"
[politics] olethros says, "I now image this alt-hist: I am sorry, Mr. Turing, but gay people just are not good at math."
[politics] olethros says, "cue britain failing to hold back the german attacks etc"
[music] Allen says, "oh! Tactus Records is based in Bologna. No wonder the have so many wonderful Italian cds"
[music] Rob says, "and such delicious salami"
[politics] Rob says, "hm wow yeah"
[politics] Rob says, "plausible enough"
<Gunther> Oh, I'm sorry, was it a *private* distress signal?
Gunther just looks like a moron throwing around jars of spiders... bitch please.
Rob says, "it's a Gunther"
Rob says, "if not THE Gunther"
Gunther asks, "!?"
[robmumble] Rob stalls on writing an article after typing a title
[robmumble] Rob says, "hm, mojo still unrebuilt"
[politics] Dave says, "and look what he got for saving his country"
[robmumble] Roger exclaims, "You can do it!"
[robmumble] Rob says, "oh, thanks Roger"
[politics] McMartin says, "A fairy-tale ending."
[robmumble] Rob says, "I thrive under encouragement"
[robmumble] Roger says, "Now you have the gumption to get gumping."
[politics] Dave says, "right"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'll give it another heave ho"
[politics] Dave says, "quite the fairy-tale"
[gayrights] Rob asks, "are there any homophobic women?"
[gayrights] Rob says, "all my mental examples of homophobes are men"
[gayrights] Rob says, "I guess there are religiously conservative women who preach against the gay, but that's not quite the same phenomenon"
[politics] McMartin says, "Though I guess that was more the middle of that *particular* fairy-tale."
[robmumble] Roger says, "I'm not seeing any heaving."
[gayrights] Rob says, "it doesn't seem like fear so much as dictum"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'm processing in the background"
[gayrights] Gunther says (to Rob), "the Conservative Woman is in the kitchen where she belongs"
[gayrights] Rob says, "eyow"
[gayrights] Rob says, "(irony noted)"
[gayrights] Gunther says, "but cf. the wife of that one guy who said he's against gay marriage because it sets the Master Race back"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I now have a clause writtne"
[robmumble] Rob says, "en"
Marktwo has disconnected.
Marktwo has connected.
[IRTA] Johnny says, "Huh, logout as lolwut"
[gayrights] Rob says, "the whole concept of a master race is totally gay"
Dave says, "The Gunther sounds like a wrestling move"
[IRTA] Rob says, "laughing out loud with utter teeheeosity"
Rob says, "where you ragestorm someone for their coding inexpertise"
Dave says, "like The Fireman or The Slideout"
[gayrights] olethros says, "master-slave bondage"
[gayrights] Rob says, "all those divers in leni riefenstahl's movie"
[amazon] Dave says, "the QA report came back pretty thin"
[gayrights] Gunther says, "more like gayni riefenstahl"
[amazon] Dave says, "although I have to update the cover art"
[amazon] Dave says, "it seems that reducing it to 75x75 bw makes it entirely unreadable"
[amazon] Dave says, "the other 3 issues are on Jimmy"
[amazon] Dave says, "also got a note saying "we only played a bit of the game...the developer needs to ensure the entire game is checked for grammar and spelling""
[amazon] Dave says, "duh"
[gayrights] Gunther | Obama voices his support for gay marriage
[gayrights] Gunther says, "GREAT timing"
[southpark] Gunther | Aimee Copeland is fighting for her life against a deadly flesh-eating disease she contracted following a zip-lining accident.
[southpark] Roger says, "Yikes why this channel"
[videogames] Johnny says, "ha ha"
[southpark] Johnny says (to Roger), "There was a boring SP about ziplining."
[southpark] Gunther says, "it had all sorts of horrors but not this"
[videogames] Johnny asks, "The Super Nintendo Wolfenstein had giant rats instead of German shepherds?"
[southpark] Roger says, "Ah"
[robmumble] Rob says, "ok, five or six paragraphs"
[videogames] Johnny says, "Jesus."
[southpark] Rob says, "because of the zipline episode"
[southpark] Rob says, "which was amusing for the live-action segment 3/4 of the way through"
genericgeekgirl goes southwest to play with buoys. Ahoy!
[amazon] Rob asks, "what QA report on which thingy?"
[southpark] Gunther says, "I thought it was pretty amusing the way it horribly overdramatized everything"
borowski is the new-age zensation that's sweeping the nation.
[southpark] Rob says, "also how do you contract a flesh-eating disease from ziplining"
[southpark] Rob says, "it is clearly a B-episode"
[southpark] Gunther says, "you know, I don't even want to know"
[southpark] Rob says, "from some guys who you can sense are flagging in energy and inspiration and need a vacation"
[southpark] borowski says (to Rob), "Not following directions."
[videogames] Johnny says, "So, Carmack mentions how with Doom they gave up the concept of lives because they realized people just wanted to have fun with the game."
[southpark] Gunther says (to Rob), "yes, the entire season is pretty weak so far"
[southpark] borowski asks, "Didn't they go straight from the musical to writing this season?"
[videogames] Johnny says, "And the games prior to Doom still had lives, and Wolfenstein had some hidden one-ups."
[southpark] Rob says, "doing Book of Mormon took a lot out of them, and they're older now"
[southpark] Rob says, "in interviews around that time (in which they had to go right into a new season) they are openly fatigued"
[southpark] Rob says, "it *is* quite a crush-press they put themselves through delivering episodes every season"
[southpark] borowski says, "They should take a break but I think they're contractually obligated to continue."
[southpark] Rob says, "yeah"
[southpark] Rob says, "I think they deserve one"
[southpark] borowski says, "I also heard Trey or Matt say that they feel morally obligated too in a way."
[southpark] borowski says, "Because they have this unique chance to influence the world."
[southpark] Rob says, "I'm impressed at what they've managed to crank out already"
[southpark] Johnny says, "Maybe to everyone else working on the show."
[southpark] Rob says, "I sometimes wonder whether I could do what they've been doing if I had the same opportunity and I think hm nope"
[southpark] Rob says, "but that might just be my crippled self confidence talking"
[silly] Fang says, "x'Ay is pronounced sexay"
[southpark] Rob says, "or the obvious lack of more qman talking"
[silly] Rob says, "urkg"
[southpark] borowski says, "I watched a behind-the-scenes thing recently and there seemed to be a lot of self doubt and struggle behind the writing."
[southpark] Rob says, "they've done more seasons than MASH by now"
[southpark] Rob says (to borowski), "yeah"
[southpark] Rob says, "the episode they documented was a weak one"
[videogames] Gunther says, "yay summary of that terrible D3 movie:"
[videogames] Gunther | Diablo-san, we must defeat the angel lords, uguuu!
[videogames] Gunther | Archangel of Hope is my waifu.
[southpark] Johnny says (to Rob), "Fewer episodes."
[southpark] Rob says, "it was probably affected by being observed, but it was also the first episode of a season, but it was also while they were tired going into it, and other things"
[southpark] Rob says, "yeah, fewer episodes, but also MASH wasn't written by two people alone"
[southpark] borowski says, "I don't think there are hardly any shows that are written primarily by one or two people."
[southpark] borowski says, "timing"
[southpark] Rob says, "on the other hand, there were only like 3 writers total for the entire run of I Love Lucy"
[videogames] Rob asks, "waifu?"
[videogames] Gunther says, "japanese-wank for wife"
[videogames] Gunther says, "i.e. used by otaku"
[videogames] Rob says, "ah, understoof"
[videogames] Rob says, "or -stood. or -stoof, what the heck"
[southpark] Rob says, "plus the movies they've made"
<Jota> Black lightning pierces your mind for an instant.
Jota arrives from the east.
Jota greets.
[southpark] Rob says, "the southpark movie is one of those 'holy shit, how can this be excellent?' surprises of modern times"
[southpark] Johnny says, "There was a MASH movie."
Rob greets Jota, as is the custom.
[books] Roger says, "In re-reading The Big Sleep I suddenly notice, belatedly, how much debt Butcher and Harry Dresden owes"
[southpark] Johnny says, "Before the show, but."
genericgeekgirl explores strange new rooms, seeks out new lounges and new conversations, and boldly goes where most ifMUDders have gone before.
[books] Roger says, "Especially the early Dresden"
[southpark] borowski says, "Thanks largely to their musical skills."
[southpark] Rob says, "there were two MASH movies, the robert altman film, and the final episode"
[southpark] Rob says, "which is still I believe the biggest-audience-viewership television of all time"
[southpark] Rob says, "(I'm a fan of MASH)"
[southpark] borowski says, "I need to rewatch MASH.  I just kind of remember it from when I was younger."
[southpark] Rob says, "it's good"
[southpark] Rob says, "it's on my list of best series ever"
[southpark] Rob says, "I've watched the full run six or seven times at least"
[southpark] Rob says, "the amazing thing about it is that they never repeat jokes"
[southpark] Roger says, "wow"
[southpark] Rob says, "which indicates that everyone involved was constantly aware of what jokes they'd already made and couldn't repeat"
two-star took 30,500 buckets -- why?
</two-star> I don't want you to pray to the duck. I want you to ASK THE DUCK YOUR QUESTION.
[southpark] Roger says, "Mostly I remember the episode that gave my nightmares as a kid"
[southpark] borowski says, "That is impressive.  I'm lucky if I don't repeat the joke over the course of a day."
[southpark] Rob says, "also it got deeper as it went on"
[southpark] Roger says, "The one about Hawkeye's nightmares, I think it was."
[southpark] Rob says, "when I first watched it I didn't pay attention to the writing/directing credits as much as I did later, but Alan Alda had a lot to do with its continuing quality as it went on, and I respect that quite a bit"
[southpark] borowski says, "I was watching the Futurama last night that referenced MASH and I probably missed some of the references."
[southpark] Rob says, "there was a dreams episode"
[southpark] Rob says, "very haunting"
[southpark] Rob says, "and -- directed by Alan Alda"
olethros says, "and a"
olethros says, "and I z"
olethros has ordered three mega-generators to be installed in his boathouse.
</olethros> Please stop quaking and remain calm.
[southpark] Rob says, "also the way they incredibly successfully replaced beloved castmembers who were totally different but who kept the show's chemistry in balance and who became just as beloved"
[southpark] Rob says, "it's a really, really well done series"
[southpark] Rob says, "incomparable in many ways"
[southpark] Rob says, "the last couple of seasons were fatigued and had a lot of missable episodes, but the whole shmear is gold quality"
[southpark] Rob says, "and its final episode is a triumph"
[southpark] borowski says, "It's probably incomparable in part because it dealt with a very real issue."
[southpark] Rob says, "ok now I have to log this conversation so that I can record my thoughts on MASH"
[southpark] Rob says, "it was able to leverage that into grit and heft amongst the laughs"
[southpark] borowski says, "I don't think there are any shows on today focused on war or the current financial meltdown."
[southpark] borowski says, "Southpark sometimes deals with heavy issues but very unevenly."
[southpark] Rob says, "their unstinting fearlessness is what is great about south park"
[southpark] borowski says, "I have to say that "You're Getting Old" had a major effect on my life."
[southpark] Rob asks, "which is that?"
[southpark] borowski says, "It made me realize that I was being a cynical asshole about pop-culture."
[southpark] Rob says, "heh"
[southpark] borowski says, "When Stan starts thinking everything is shit."
[southpark] Gunther says, "the one where everyone literally talks shit"
[southpark] Rob says, "is that stan's -- yeah"
[southpark] Gunther says, "and then the divorce"
[southpark] borowski says, "And so Stan has to start drinking to get back inside "the Matrix""
[southpark] Rob says, "'ok, this is an ad for Zookeeper, and this is a picture of a turd being reheated in a microwave'"
[exercise] maga says, "12-mile run. dead now."
[exercise] Rob says, "good for thou"
[videogames] Gunther says, "ha ha tooltip for screenshot #3: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/05/09/opinion-why-we-shouldnt-write-off-elder-scrolls-online/ "
[southpark] borowski |It's robots or aliens or whatever. Fuck you!
[exercise] Rob says, "rehydrate thyself"
[exercise] maga says, "on it"
[southpark] Rob says, "heh the movie trailers that shout 'fuck you' at the intended audience still gives me a grin"
[exercise] borowski says (to maga), "Congrats."
[exercise] maga says, "I am having some ginger ale. at some point I may work up the energy to squeeze a lime into it"
[southpark] Gunther says, "and yet, so true"
[exercise] Rob says, "good, good"
[southpark] Rob says, "exactly"
[southpark] Rob says, "the truth powers out of south park in its best moments"
[southpark] borowski says, "Yeah, I find myself saying that when I riff on previews at the theatre."
[southpark] Rob says, "and we're in short supply these days"
[southpark] Gunther says, "my all-time favorite episode remains The Biggest Douche in the Universe"
[southpark] Rob says, "I was chopping up previews yesterday when I went to the Avengers and there was 20 minutes of horseshit being peddled"
[southpark] borowski says, "Transformers are robots and aliens and they look like Italian sports cars. Fuck you!"
[southpark] Gunther says, "I still think it's untoppable in its relentless mockery of what is essentially a fucking asshole"
[southpark] Rob asks (of Gunther), "which one is that?"
[southpark] Gunther says (to Rob), "John Edward"
[southpark] Rob says, "and who is the title character"
[southpark] Rob says, "really? huh I may have missed that one"
[southpark] Gunther says, "the psychic guy"
[southpark] Rob says, "googling"
[southpark] Gunther says, "if you missed it you, well, missed the best episode in the entire run :)"
[southpark] Rob says, "I may well track it down"
[southpark] Gunther says, "B plot is Cartman being possessed by Kenny"
[southpark] Rob says, "ohh ahhh that's more familiar"
[southpark] Gunther says, "and the Rob Schneider is A Stapler commercial breaks"
[southpark] Rob says, "wow, googling it brought up a video on southparkstudios.com"
[southpark] Rob says (to Gunther), "hee hee hee yessssss"
[southpark] Gunther says, "yes, all the SP episodes are free on there"
[southpark] Gunther says, "(plus cameos from the tree-fiddy parents of Chef, I think)"
[southpark] Rob says, "derp de derp de derp de doo is one of the best things"
[southpark] borowski says, "Yeah I need to rewatch that one too."
[southpark] Gunther says (to Rob), "yes, that plus the A plot makes it the best"
[southpark] Gunther says, "Rated PG-13"
[southpark] borowski says, "I also love "About Last Night..." about Obama's election."
[southpark] borowski says, "It makes way more sense than American politics being real."
[southpark] Gunther says, "my other perennial favorite is Rainforest Schmainforest"
[southpark] borowski says, "hehe.  Getting Gay With Kids!"
[southpark] Rob says, "ha ha ha 'Rob Schneider is - the Stapler'"
[southpark] borowski says, "haha"
[southpark] Rob says, "no wonder I don't remember the other plot, the rob schneider stuff is too good"
[southpark] Rob says, "what makes me laugh more about all the rob schneider trailer scalpeling is that rob schneider was probably a south park fan up until that episode"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "Oh, #exercise reminds me."
[southpark] Rob says, "and imagining his upset cognitive dissonance adds extra seasoning"
[southpark] Gunther says, "ha ha"
[seattle] Rob says, "did you run 12 miles around seattle"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "When I went on my walk today, I had a wildlife surprise:"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "[heh, no]"
[southpark] Gunther says, "he was all "How dare they mock me!! Derp de derp dee derpity derp dee doo""
[seattle] lpsmith says, "A crow dropped a dead mole out of a tree at me."
[southpark] borowski says, "I really want to go to a psychic show and do a cold reading on the psychic."
[seattle] Rob says, "Jesus Ran Twelvemiles Around Seattle Under Protest"
[southpark] borowski says, "I sense... you are on TV."
[videogames] Fang asks, "so, in Diablo, the Evils are unkillable, but the angels aren't?"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "yay"
[seattle] Rob asks (of lpsmith), "ha ha ??!?"
[videogames] Fang says, "that seems unbalanced"
[seattle] lpsmith exclaims, "I know!"
[seattle] Rob says, "hee he"
[videogames] Gunther says, "ha ha"
[seattle] Rob says, "how did you know it was a crop what dropped upon ye"
[seattle] Rob says, "er, crow"
[seattle] Rob says, "also I wouldn't know a mole if a crow dropped a dead mole at me"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "I was walking up to this tree, and a crow flies off just as this large black sock-like thing falls out of the tree and flumphs to the ground."
[southpark] Gunther says (to Rob), "the way John Edward goes "I'm NOT A DOUCHE" starts out funny and becomes more hysterical with every repetition"
[seattle] Rob says, "ha ha"
[videogames] Fang says, "it just strikes me how Diablo in that video was all 'mwhaha, you are going to kill me, JUST AS PLANNED'"
[southpark] Rob says, "it's running in the background but I haven't heard much about ... wait!"
[southpark] Rob says, "here he is"
[amazon] Dave says, "the QA report on Shadow on the Kindle"
[videogames] Gunther says (to Fang), "everything about this thing is terrible"
[videogames] Fang says, "Mr Diablo, there are easier ways to accomplish this"
[videogames] Fang says, "actually, as the prime evil, can't he just kill himself repeatedly, thus hopping between everyone, and so destroy the world that way"
[southpark] Rob says, "also it has been publically released since then that John Edwards was a huge douche"
[southpark] Johnny asks (of Rob), "Is that something that showed up in your research?"
[southpark] Rob says, "ha ha ha rob schneider is a carrot"
[southpark] Rob says, "it's so on target, I can't stand it"
[southpark] Gunther says, "if only it had shamed him into changing his shtick"
[southpark] Rob says, "sigh"
[southpark] borowski asks, "I can't remember: did he do anything worth watching?"
[southpark] Rob asks (of Johnny), "which research?"
[southpark] Rob asks, "did Rob Schneider do anything worth watching?"
[southpark] borowski says, "Yeah."
[southpark] Rob says, "I'm discomfited of late because Schneider has a sitcom called Rob"
[southpark] Johnny says, "Googling John Edward."
[southpark] Johnny says, "Oh, you said Edwards."
[southpark] Rob says, "there was this moment in the 2004 campaign where john edwards got up to make a speech and in the middle of it his tongue did this weird snaky dance out of his mouth"
[seattle] maga says, "moles are meant to taste terrible"
[southpark] Rob says, "which David Letterman replayed in slo-mo to barry white music"
[seattle] maga says, "predators kill them and then go ack thptt ptoo"
[southpark] Rob says, "but that was the moment where I totally decided john edwards was snakey and not to be trusted in the slightest"
[southpark] Gunther says (to Rob), "the other thing that makes this so funny for me is that the mighty John Edward is being harassed by 9-year-olds and all he does is whine "I'm NOT A DOUCHE""
[southpark] Rob says, "his own mouth was betraying him in real-time"
[southpark] Gunther says, "wrong guy though"
[southpark] Rob says (to Gunther), "yeah"
[seattle] Jearl asks, "does this extend to making the predator sick?"
[southpark] Gunther says, "not that Edwards isn't a douche"
[seattle] Jearl says, "because a lot of birds have no sense of taste"
[videogames] McMartin says, "Suicide is even a mortal sin!"
[southpark] Rob says, "he is totally a douche"
[seattle] maga says, "hmm"
[southpark] Rob says, "southpark was early in calling him on it"
[seattle] maga says, "it sounds as if this mole was mostly intact"
[southpark] Gunther says (to Rob), "no, this is the psychic guy"
[music] Allen says, "this is the most fun piece of renaissance music you'll hear all month: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHeCpq3R5G0 "
[southpark] Gunther says, "not the politician"
[music] Allen | *Un cane, un Cucco, n Gatto, e un Chiù per spasso Fan Contraponto a mente sopra un Basso. / A dog, a cuckoo, a cat and an owl, for fun, make up a counterpoint on a bass.
[seattle] Jearl says, "maybe lp interrupted a new crow sport"
[music] Rob says, "ok I'll give it a listen"
[seattle] Jearl says, "Dead Thing Relay"
[videogames] K-Y says, "this was also the plot of Omikron"
[southpark] Gunther says, "also I have to quote the entire thing here:"
[southpark] Gunther | “The Biggest Douche in the Universe,” a term used to describe the supposed psychic John Edward, was used again by Penn Jillette in his and Teller’s show, Penn & Teller: Bullshit!.[2] Penn and Teller are friends of Trey Parker and Matt Stone and have stated that this is their favorite episode. According to the commentary for this episode, Trey Parker described the creation of the episode as being centered on John Edward who the entire crew of South Park Studios agreed was "the biggest douche in the universe." That was until Matt Stone asked the question “Well, what about Rob Schneider?” leading to the fictional trailers.
[music] Rob says, "la la la laa la la la la laa laahhh"
[southpark] Rob says, "oh john edward not john edwards"
[southpark] Rob says, "I still stand by the entire conversation thus far even though I had the wrong douche"
[southpark] Gunther says, "yes"
[southpark] Gunther says, "like I said, they both qualify"
[southpark] Rob says, "ha ha well what about rob schneider"
[music] Rob says, "well it was peppy"
[seattle] lpsmith says, "Hee."
[southpark] Gunther says, "I think I like the episode even more now"
[southpark] Rob says, "heh"
[music] Allen says, "and catty"
[southpark] Rob says, "well I enjoyed listening to it"
[music] Rob says, "you are cattivo, court composer"
[music] Rob says, "(anyone? anyone?)"
[movie] baf says, "It strikes me that one of the accomplishments of The Avengers was that it came up with a way for a bow to make a menacing ka-click noise like guns do in movies."
[movie] Rob says, "heh, yes"
[movie] McMartin says, "Mechanical triggers on compound bows, man"
[movie] McMartin | As far as I can tell, modern bows are made by Klingons
[videogames] baf says, "I never managed to get Omikron to not crash a lot."
[movie] McMartin says, "Still my favorite line about modern bows"
[movie] Gunther says, "modern bows are some crazy ish"
[movie] Rob says, "avengers employs a lot of rhetorical flourishes that trigger 'ha, wow, bad-ass' responses in audiences"
[movie] Rob says, "which joss whedon now excels at, but there's some other guys out there who do the same things"
[movie] Allen says, "All my bows are renaissance or baroque transitionals"
[movie] Rob says, "I've been studying and noting and analyzing these things"
[movie] Rob says, "wondering if I could do my own take on them in my stuff"
[movie] Rob says, "especially when they're laid out so pronouncedly"
[videogames] K-Y says, "it's for the best"
[movie] Fang says, "modern bows are too technicky"
[southpark] borowski says, "Damn, John Edward used hot reading too. He is a douche."
[videogames] K-Y says, "you'll never have to try to play FPS sections using only a keyboard"
[politics] McMartin | I certainly think bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view
[politics] McMartin says, "It's nice to see them being open about their idea of what compromise is."
[movie] K-Y says, "see the early comics appearances of Hawkeye"
[movie] Fang says (to Rob), "5 bucks if you can get this into Qman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txeGZoBW7vY "
[videogames] baf launches wolf3d again
[movie] K-Y says, "where he snaps his wooden bow over his knee to signify him quitting the team"
[movie] McMartin says, "I hope that thing wasn't strung at the time"
[obits] Gunther asks, "1) Vidal Sassoon was a person???"
[obits] Gunther says, "2) apparently he died"
[obits] vimes says, "....oh, that makes those facebook statuses make more sense"
[obits] vimes says, "which were mostly "Vidal Sassoon :(""
[web-toons] Jon says, "Jenga doesn't count as a data structure!"
[obits] borowski says, "All I know about him comes from one Fresh Air interview.  He seemed like a nice guy."
[obits] Gunther says, "I thought it was a silly brand name"
[obits] maga says, "I thought he died in WWI"
[obits] Gunther says, "one I haven't heard in 20 years or more either"
<jess> Miss Sabrina commands you to put your pants on and get a job.
jess's tongue says sangria, but her heart says michelada.
genericgeekgirl says, "Hi Jess"
jess says, "hiya"
Johnny says, "Hi jess"
[videogames] K-Y says, "I get the point"
[obits] jess says, "i will pour out a little shampoo tomorrow morning"
[obits] Gunther says, "ha ha ha"
[obits] josh_g says, "ha ha"
[videogames] K-Y says, "but this was trying to implement separate looking and aiming using the keyboard only"
[obits] maga says, "snrk"
[obits] Gunther says, "Pour out a 60/40 Profound Beauty for my homie"
[obits] jess says, "ha ha"
[food] zarf says, "fried rice triumph!"
[food] jess says, "#band-name"
Gunther says, "oops, past bedtime again"
Gunther was like watching the world's most boring car crash, and then someone with a monotone voice overanalyzing it.
</Gunther> You cannot become a viking overnight, unless you are a viking, in which case you can.
[obits] Rob says, "vidal sassoon wasn't dead? and now he is? aw"
[food] jess says, "any time i make fried rice i end up just making scrambled eggs with some rice mixed in for giggle"
[food] jess says, "giggles*"
[eeeagh] jess | http://boingboing.net/2012/05/09/odd-1968-romance-novel-cover.html
[movie] Rob pastes a bunch of ifmud avengers convo to facebook. sorry for violating everyone's copyright to their own chat dialogue
[food] borowski says, "Yeah, I feel the same way about omelets."
[movie] jess says, "ha ha"
[movie] Rob says (to jess), "thanks for 'like'ing !"
[movie] jess says, "well hey, why not"
[movie] Rob says, "yeah"
[food] Rob says (to zarf), "yumcellent"
[food] Rob asks, "what else is in your fried rice + bacon combo?"
[food] jess says, "oo"
[eeeagh] Rob says (to jess), "eeagh!"
[eeeagh] jess asks (of Rob), "right?"
[eeeagh] Rob says, "yeah totally"
[eeeagh] jess says, "my friend who happens to be a romance novelist linked that on twitter"
[food] zarf says, "onion, bell pepper, leftover asparagus"
[eeeagh] Rob says, "also there must have been models who posed for this cover art"
[movie] Fang says, "well, you sure made us sound skeevy"
[food] Rob asks, "and rice and eggs?"
[food] zarf says, "sriracha, a little fish sauce, and an egg"
[eeeagh] jess says, "possibly.  or just someone with a very upsetting imagination"
[food] zarf says, "oh, and rice"
[food] jess says, "mmmm"
[food] Rob asks, "hm what's sriracha?"
[food] jess says, "nectar of the gods"
[food] zarf says, "some brand of red pepper paste"
[food] Rob asks, "a spicy flavoring?"
[food] jess says, "yeah"
[food] Rob says, "then yes"
[food] zarf says, "I actually had a different brand"
[food] jess asks, "there's a different brand of sriracha?"
[food] Rob says, "actually now that I've defined it I've known of it"
[food] Rob says, "I'm almost fried-rice-making-in-the-moody myself after all this"
[food] jess says, "i went out for Thai food with my boss yesterday, and while my dish was pretty good, i didn't decide until i was nearly done with it that it could have used some sriracha.  wish i'd done it sooner."
[food] jess says, "also great in mac & cheese"
[food] Allen says, "I like shark brand sriracha"
[food] Allen | http://importfood.com/sash0709.html
[food] jess says, "hmm, cool"
[food] jess says, "i'll have to see if we have it locally, we have a ton of asian food stores"
[eeeagh] * borowski has joined the channel.
Lionheart can see a dream in your dance. Lionheart can see tomorrow in your dance. We can call it, "our hope"!
</Lionheart> "The-the-the criticism people have of your position, Reverend, is... you want God out of everything!" -- Megyn Kelly, 16 Apr 2010
[drugs] jess | Deputy pleads no contest in burrito drug smuggling
[drugs] jess | http://news.yahoo.com/deputy-pleads-no-contest-burrito-drug-smuggling-204255224.html
[kids] josh_g says, "hrm. Nathanael playing puzzle games on my iPod has me wondering if there are any apps worth getting that involve playfully learning early pre-reading skills"
[kids] josh_g says, "a quick search finds some things around spelling, and handwriting ... but learning handwriting by finger-writing on an iPod Touch seems questionable"
<Guest1> Who is this squarish, laconic new inmate, the fish ask themselves.
[kids] Fang asks, "what are pre-reading skills?"
[kids] Fang asks, "colouring in?"
Guest1? C'est pas vrai! [French expletive]!
[kids] josh_g says, "I dunno, I'm half making this up"
[kids] josh_g says, "letter recognition, maybe reading simple words, I dunno"
Guest1 looks at Ryan. Ryan glares back.
[kids] Fang says, "does angry birds teach emotional understanding and physics"
[kids] Fang asks, "?"
[kids] josh_g says, "only if you analyze recorded video of the projectile motion"
[kids] josh_g says, "(which I know of physics teachers actually doing)"
Guest1 enters the closet to the north.
[kids] Fang says, "I guess I think probably more tactile, physically real toys are more appropriate"
[kids] josh_g says, "yeah I largely agree"
Guest1 comes out of the closet.
Guest1 goes home.
</Guest1> Well THAT was certainly... interesting.
[kids] josh_g says, "which is why I haven't bothered with stuff like this yet"
Not a valid command. Try typing 'help'.
[kids] josh_g says, "it was just kind of a, "Hrm, well if he's looking for games to play on it anyway""
genericgeekgirl looks at Ryan. Ryan glares back.
boucher goes home.
</boucher> Bobby, for the thousandth time, it doesn't matter how bleak your eschatology gets, we can't afford a new bike right now.
josh_g says, "touchy, touchy"
[southpark] borowski says, "Woah, I'm listening to this TV on the Radio song and it samples the South Park episode I stopped watching to listen to the song."
[southpark] jess says, "whoa"
Marktwo goes home.
Marktwo has disconnected.
Marktwo has a sheet of triangle-grid paper, a straightedge, an X-acto knife, and several sheets of 3M Diamond Scotchlite vinyl.
[southpark] borowski says, "Or I just heard the South Park in the back ground. Crap, that would have been cool."
Marktwo has disconnected.
Marktwo has connected.
[southpark] borowski says, "Well, *I'm* going to sample the SP episode now."
<Olly> returns like a re-gifted fruitcake.
Olly arrives in a puff of yellow smoke, which makes them cough.
Olly says, "Hello, MUDniks."
<flinch> flinch has connected to ifMUD.
jess says, "hiya"
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  on the channel '#mud-updates'.

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  "hey, the mud's down, what's up with that?" In fact, since this is
  the only thing the list is used for, you should join it if you are
  interested in this subject. To join, go to
    http://groups.google.com/group/ifmud/
  or talk to Steve.
Robinson Manor
A gracious, welcoming, airy space. Music drifts in from unseen speakers. A picture window on the southern wall provides a pleasant source of light and a sense of openness.

You can see: teleporter, a picture window, comfy sofa, Jeopardy podium, buzzer1, buzzer2, buzzer3, Jota greets Rob
Visible Exits: west, east
<Rob> "An artist doesn't burn out with age because he works too much. Working hones his craft."
No new channels have been created since your last check.
Adventurer's Lounge
Candles on the wood-panelled walls create a comfortably dark atmosphere. Hand-drawn maps are taped to nearly every surface -- the walls, the ceiling, the trophy case in the corner. Seating is plentiful. A small storage closet is to the north.

You can see: new laundry list, Birthday Calendar, magic laundry list, banner reading "Happy birthday Oren!", Even Newer World Map, charset sampler, Automeeter, TheMasterTheorem player names, time zones, MUD Client Wish List, banana, Anything Finder, his pants
Players: Alex, markm, Bishop, GDorn, Touchy, DorianX, Jearl, Psmith, Grocible, baf, jpt, Jon, lpsmith, Doug, McMartin, Richie, Allen, annabianca, Dave, vimes, vaporware, Ryan, Whizzard, Matthew, Iain, maga, ghira, Yuri, Hugo, jess, Marktwo, zarf, ParserGirl, Tale, olethros, dfabulich, borowski
Visible Exits: north, west, southwest, southeast, up, east
Rob comes right on in.
Recapping 139 of 4035 lines from recent channels:
[lounge]/00:00 Gerynar says "bloop" and shrinks down into a little dot, then winks out...just like those old-fashioned B&w televisions.
[lounge]|00:00 * Gerynar has disconnected.
[movie]|00:14 DorianX says, "wait, Is Martin Sheen the new Uncle Ben"
[movie]|00:14 ghira asks, "they're making a movie about rice?"
[movie]|00:15 ghira says, "(ok, I only wondered that for about a second really)"
[lounge]|00:15 ParserGirl is the opera that cured lycanthropy.
[lounge]|00:16 ParserGirl gets his pants.
[lounge]|00:16 ParserGirl Someone screams. "Pull those back up!"
[lounge]|00:16 ParserGirl bows.
[lounge]|00:16 borowski says, "Hi PG"
[lounge]|00:16 ParserGirl says, "Well hello there."
[gayrights]|00:17 borowski says, "Facebook is making me mad (regarding amendment 1)"
[lounge]|00:19 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|00:19 * Marktwo has connected.
[lounge]|00:20 Jota turns into a slimy toad!
[lounge]|00:20 jess snaps out of it and unidles.
[gayrights]|00:20 jess asks, "people on your feed or just random people in general?"
[gayrights]|00:20 DorianX says, "Silly thought: Obama was just waiting for Sendak to die before he came out for gay marriage, because iof his irrational hated of children's authors"
[gayrights]|00:20 borowski says, "People in my feed."
[lounge]|00:21 ParserGirl says (to jess), "Pull yourself together, woman."
[gayrights]|00:22 Olly:(
[gayrights]|00:23 borowski says, "I'm from NC so it's a particularly [not civil] discussion."
[lounge]|00:23 jess says, "heh"
[gayrights]|00:24 borowski says, "I didn't know what adjective to insert there."
[gayrights]|00:24 jess says, "wow"
[gayrights]|00:24 jess says, "that's upsetting"
[gayrights]|00:25 Lionheart says, "My colleagues in the phone bank were quite heartbroken."
[gayrights]|00:25 borowski says, "People saying 'this is a democracy so you are wrong.'"
[gayrights]|00:26 Lionheart says, "Times like this, thank goodness we're not a democracy, we're a constitutional republic."
[gayrights]|00:26 borowski says, "Yes."
[gayrights]|00:26 borowski says, "Hopefully that will prevail."
[gayrights]|00:28 Lionheart says, "Well, this amendment is even worse than Prop 8, so that gives me hope it won't do well in federal court."
[gayrights]|00:29 Lionheart says, "But in the meantime, we can expect some of the negative effects like have been seen in other states that passed such amendments, like a loss of domestic violence protections, etc."
[lounge]|00:30 inky says, "zz"
[lounge]|00:30 inky aged seven years while in a paranormal dimension called Limbo, became a sorceress, and developed the mutant ability to create "teleportation discs."
[lounge]|00:30 * inky has disconnected.
[gayrights]|00:30 Olly asks, "You live in NC, too, don't you, Lionheart?"
[gayrights]|00:31 Lionheart says, "In Ohio, 27 people were set free of domestic violence charges."
[gayrights]|00:31 Olly says, "Eep."
[gayrights]|00:31 Lionheart says (to Olly), "Yes"
[google]|00:34 zarf says, "gah, the G+ iOS app has become Pretty"
[google]|00:34 zarf says, "and by Pretty, I mean not what I want"
[health]|00:37 Dave says, "worked out for the second time this weel"
[health]|00:37 Dave says, "week"
[health]|00:38 Dave says, "20 minutes on the stair thingy and 20 on the treadmill...couple hundred situps"
[health]|00:38 Dave says, "no dizziness, no ick feelings"
[lounge]|00:39 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|00:39 * borowski has connected.
[health]|00:39 Dave says, "something has changed...I still feel some of my symptoms of the last 18 months, but not the ones that make me feel ill"
[lounge]|00:42 Limax drives in with tires smoking and sets the lounge ablaze.
[MacOS]|00:43 K-Y says, "10.7.4"
[MacOS]|00:44 K-Y says, "okay, must do this tomorrow"
[Hugo]|00:46 Ellison says, "okay, it isn't pretty and it's probably broken, but I uploaded an update to DescribePlace that tries to make it easier to switch around object ordering (for games like Recchi's where nondescript characters are listed last): http://hugo.gerynarsabode.org/index.php?title=Replace_DescribePlace "
[lounge]|00:48 borowski wasn't listening, but he completely disagrees.
[lounge]|00:48 * borowski has disconnected.
[lounge]|00:54 Limax walks slowly out of the room and into the sunset.
[lounge]|01:02 Tale is an obscure allusion to Beast Wars Second: "Chi seimeitai Transformer", which featured a celestial rabbit named Moon, who lived on the moon.
[lounge]|01:03 Tale says, "hi"
[jobs]|01:03 Tale sobs.
[jobs]|01:03 Tale says, "These are slow days, so I went to the office 2 hours early. Turns out a orker is ill and I have to stay here till five."
[lounge]|01:04 Tale goes southwest to play with toys.
[lounge]|01:05 Tale arrives from the Toyshop, dazzling you with hot yo-yo action.
[ollyprattle]|01:08 Olly exclaims, "Aiee, an exploding melon!"
[ollyprattle]|01:09 Tale says, "The second worst kind of melon!"
[lounge]|01:09 * Marktwo has disconnected.
[lounge]|01:09 * Marktwo has connected.
[ollyprattle]|01:10 Olly asks, "After?"
[ollyprattle]|01:11 Tale says, "A non-exploding one!"
[UK]|01:11 ghira says, "man. 56 up"
[ollyprattle]|01:11 Olly says, "Ah."
[ollyprattle]|01:12 Olly says, "Also, a monkey took my food."
[ollyprattle]|01:16 Tale asks, "Where are you?"
[ollyprattle]|01:16 Olly says, "In the Pyramid of Ra."
[lounge]|01:16 olethros was so annoyed he sat down and angrily wobbled his jowls for a full 45 minutes.
[ollyprattle]|01:17 Tale asks, "Ah, heh. What are you playing, then?"
[lounge]|01:18 olethros says, "lo"
[web-toons]|01:18 olethros says, "ok, this is a pbf-esque dilbert"
[ollyprattle]|01:19 Olly says, "Scarab of Ra, an old graphic adventure for Mac."
[lounge]|01:19 dfabulich enters the lounge in a perfectly ordinary way.
[lounge]|01:21 flinch chflin chflin, chflin chflin chflin chflin!
[ollyprattle]|01:21 Olly says, "I played it quite a bit as a child, but I hadn't been able to run it since I bought my Intel MacBook."
[ollyprattle]|01:22 Olly says, "Tonight I got an email from my father telling me how he had succeeded in running some classic apps on his computer."
[ollyprattle]|01:22 Olly says, "Now I am happy tripping down memory lane, falling into spear traps, and dodging exploding melons."
[lounge]|01:23 borowski is the new-age zensation that's sweeping the nation.
[ollyprattle]|01:24 Tale says, "Yay. Reminds me my replaying of Space Quest 2."
[ollyprattle]|01:25 lpsmith says, "'classic apps'"
[ollyprattle]|01:25 lpsmith says, "Man, some day apps *will* be classic."
[ollyprattle]|01:26 lpsmith says, ""Remember 'Angry Birds'?" our children will excitedly reminisce with each other."
[ollyprattle]|01:27 Olly says, "No doubt."
[ollyprattle]|01:27 Tale says, "Heh, yeah. I was scoffed at because my earliest gaming memories are of games with graphics."
[ollyprattle]|01:28 borowski says, "I think me earliest gaming memory is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquests_of_Camelot "
[ollyprattle]|01:29 olethros says (to tale), "well, so are mine"
[ollyprattle]|01:29 borowski says, "When I was home with chicken pox."
[ollyprattle]|01:29 olethros says, "but I had read about text adventures for and wanted to play them for a while"
[ollyprattle]|01:29 Olly says, "My earliest gaming memories are of games with color graphics."
[ollyprattle]|01:29 olethros says, "sure, color"
[ollyprattle]|01:30 olethros says, "few people started gaming on 8086 PCs"
[ollyprattle]|01:30 Olly says, "Scarab of Ra doesn't have color."
[ollyprattle]|01:30 Olly says, "I remember having a computer that didn't have color, too, I think."
[ollyprattle]|01:31 Olly says, "I was too young to play games on it, though."
[ollyprattle]|01:31 olethros says, "original macos I suppose"
[ollyprattle]|01:31 olethros asks, "few people had that no?"
[ollyprattle]|01:31 Olly says, "It was definitely a Macintosh."
[ollyprattle]|01:32 borowski gasps
[ollyprattle]|01:32 olethros says, "yeah, first colour mac was in 1990"
[ollyprattle]|01:32 borowski says, "I never had a Mac."
[ollyprattle]|01:32 olethros says, "meanwhile, amiga 500 came out in 1987 and so the mac market plummeted"
[ollyprattle]|01:32 Olly says (to ouroboroski), "My father has been a Mac partisan since before I was born."
[ollyprattle]|01:33 borowski says, "I wonder if things would have gone differently if I had."
[ollyprattle]|01:33 olethros says, "I remember there were some people trying to play games in 1986-1988 using intel PCs"
[facebook]|01:34 lpsmith | There are two kinds of people I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
[ollyprattle]|01:35 Olly says, "I have to take my dog out.  I'll be back.  Feel free to talk on my channel in my absence."
[ollyprattle]|01:35 borowski says, "Second gaming memory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_Glory:_So_You_Want_to_Be_a_Hero "
[ollyprattle]|01:35 Tale says, "Laters!"
[ollyprattle]|01:36 borowski says, "Yay dogs."
[ollyprattle]|01:36 Tale says, "The first C64 game I remember is Prince of Persia, but we played a ton of games on the original NES my best friend had"
[ollyprattle]|01:36 borowski says, "I consider NES to be a totally different gaming experience."
[ollyprattle]|01:37 borowski says, "Super Mario 3..."
[ollyprattle]|01:37 Tale says (to borowski), "Yeah"
[ollyprattle]|01:37 borowski says, "I remember asking a friend, "What was the hardest world?""
[ollyprattle]|01:37 borowski says, "ICE WORLD!"
[ollyprattle]|01:37 Tale says, "i recall that we had Wolfenstein 3-D on our Read Only Computers at school"
[facebook]|01:37 olethros says, "ironically these are one and the same!"
[ollyprattle]|01:39 borowski says, "We had Apples and Macs at school"
[ollyprattle]|01:39 borowski says, "But most of my gaming memory is after school."
[facebook]|01:41 Tale says, "That's an Austin Powers quote."
[ollyprattle]|01:41 Olly says, "Back."
[ollyprattle]|01:41 Tale says, "That was a short walk."
[ollyprattle]|01:42 Olly says, "We didn't on a walk, just out to pee."
[ollyprattle]|01:42 Olly says, "It is almost midnight here."
[news]|01:43 olethros says, "Israel takes a step forward, finally"
[ollyprattle]|01:43 Olly says, "I went to an educational therapist who had these weird old computers with orange writing on a black background."
[news]|01:43 olethros | Israel requires advertisers to disclose Photoshopping of models
[ollyprattle]|01:43 Olly says, "I don't know what kind they were, though."
[ollyprattle]|01:43 borowski says, "I remember those at the public library."
[ollyprattle]|01:44 Olly says, "Yes, they were like those.  I seem to remember that they were kind of a strange shape, as well, though."
[facebook]|01:45 olethros says, "oh, that's the source? I imagined it was woody allen"
[ollyprattle]|01:45 Olly says, "Unusually cubical, maybe."
[lounge]|01:45 Rob comes right on in.
Recapped 139 of 4035 lines from recent channels.
Current time: Thursday, 10 May 2012, 01:45:49 AM EDT
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "And they had big screens."
[ollyprattle] Olly says, "That might have been a special adaptation."
[ollyprattle] borowski says, "It's so hard to place a specific memory on a library."
[ollyprattle] borowski says, "I have so many library memories."
[ollyprattle] olethros says, "could it have been amstrad something? nah"
jenrexrode arrives from the Toyshop, pants full of Monopoly money.
[ollyprattle] olethros says, "(they did make some special-purpose computers)"
jenrexrode says, "hi"
[ollyprattle] olethros says, "but orange monitors were not very unusal back in the day"
[ollyprattle] olethros says, "they were possible DOS PCs"
[ollyprattle] jenrexrode says, "amber"
[montypython] jenrexrode says, "although my name's not Bamber"
<BrenBarn> Go you Huskies!
</PerrySimm> PerrySimm has disconnected from ifMUD.
BrenBarn busta.
DavidW arrives from the Toyshop, dazzling you with hot yo-yo action.
jenrexrode says, "hiya bB"
borowski says, "Hello BB and Dw."
BrenBarn says, "hi"
Johnny arrives from the Toyshop, landing in a heap after being flung from the Sit 'n' Spin.
Ellison arrives from the Toyshop, leaving a thoroughly violated Tickle Me Elmo weeping bitterly in the doorframe.
Johnny says, "Hi BrenBarn"
Tale has disconnected.
Tale has connected.
Rob says, "mrgn"
Rob asks, "what was going on in the toyshop?"
[montypython] jenrexrode says, "nightfloydz"
[montypython] jenrexrode says, "oopd"
[personals] BrenBarn says, "this person's username is ICPDatingGame"
[montypython] Rob asks, "there's nightfloydz?"
[montypython] jenrexrode says, "yep on wednesdays"
[montypython] Rob says, "you know more about this place than I do by now"
jenrexrode exclaims, "we have been playing the same game for 4 nights!"
Rob asks, "which game?"
jenrexrode says, "Heist"
Rob asks, "a whole month of wednesdays?"
Rob says, "hmmm"
[montypython] jenrexrode says, "no, there was a thursdaya nd a friday"
[montypython] jenrexrode says, "wah, stop"
[montypython] Rob says, "wah? I thought that was a compliment"
[montypython] jenrexrode says, "not, stop typing the the wrong channels"
[montypython] jenrexrode says, "amd stop typoing"
[montypython] Rob says, "oh he"
[montypython] Rob says, "h"
Rob says, "I kinda remember Heist but kinda not"
Rob asks, "did I play it during some CompXX ?"
[robmumble] Tale says, "You know, I started waiting for that cronenbergian movie now"
[robmumble] Rob says, "hehh"
jenrexrode says, "then I have to lurk aroung the rest of the week seeing if it will spontaneously crop up, or we will be playing thru summer"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I had to pull something gross and bloody out of my ear, how's that"
Johnny says, "It's a noble pursuit."
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "yuk"
[robmumble] Rob says, "also, I may have finally fixed my ear today"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but it required a horrendous cronenbergian session this afternoon to achieve"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "until you get hooked on messing with it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I am so looking forward to not messing with my ear"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I cannot tell you how much"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it's only been two and something weeks of it but it's been enough already"
[robmumble] Rob says, "one should never have to mess with one's ear as much as I've had to mess with mine lately"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and, as I mentioned obliquely on facebook, in as such a hardcore way"
[robmumble] BrenBarn says, "what did you do to your ear"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "yeah, it's more of a kid thing to have gooky ear stuff"
[robmumble] Rob says, "my ear started it"
[robmumble] BrenBarn says, "don't make me turn this head around"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it started bleeding inside itself and not stopping"
[robmumble] Rob says, "forming a bulge of blood every day that had to be dealt with by various ER nurses and doctors"
[robmumble] Johnny asks, "Did it sound like you were underwater?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "until finally they'd had enough and told me to deal with it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and today I seem to have finally told it to shut up"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "it was a coincidence that I caught the city installing instant barriers on the hike amd bike trail."
[robmumble] Rob says, "but it racked up a huge number of hundreds of dollars in medical bills not fully reckoned with"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "I was expecting to see creepy crime scene evidence"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'm waiting for my insurance company to tell me they're not going to pay for any of it and here's the rest of the bills"
[Austin] Rob says, "wait what? what happened"
[Austin] olethros asks, "actual barriers?"
[Austin] Rob says, "I'm thinking so"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "car left cesar chavez and hit 2 people on the hike and bike trail, killing an 81 year old man and sending a 46 year old proessor to the hosptial to get bones fixed with plates and rods"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "er assistant professor"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and nobody knew the cause, or even tried to diagnose the cause, they just harshly treated the symptom"
[Austin] olethros says, "an important distinction"
[Austin] Rob asks, "left 1st street where at?"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "well the typo looked like processor"
[Austin] Rob says, "argh, plates and rods"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "under lamar, where the scary curve is"
[robmumble] Tale says, "Well, APS is hard to diagnose"
[Austin] Rob says, "argh 81 year old guy living that long and then that's what got him"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "i posted a picture on this channel"
[robmumble] olethros says, "and it just stopped"
[Austin] Rob says, "dang that shouldn't happen"
[Austin] Rob says, "creepy"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "i assume the plastic barriers are filled with water to make them heavy"
[robmumble] Rob says, "I'm leaving out the WTMI that led to its stopping"
[robmumble] olethros asks, "why is there a hike and bike trail next to a main road?"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "they were scrambling to get them in place quickly."
[Austin] olethros asks, "why is there a hike and bike trail next to a main road?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but I squeezed the fuck out of it and something weird and seed-like popped out of it"
[Austin] Rob says, "come to austin and find out"
[Austin] Rob says, "which you should do someday"
[Austin] olethros says, "I am coming to Toronto!"
olethros it's a bit far, I think
[Austin] Rob says, "that's 2000 miles away!"
[Austin] olethros says, "it's a bit far, I think"
[Austin] olethros says, "well, closish"
[Hugo] Recchi says, "It will take more than a sec for me to put that in my Hugo WIP, but I will do it after Pinner's wedding this weekend."
[Austin] Rob says, "austin is real nice"
[Austin] Rob says, "it's a place on Earth you should visit"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "it's runs aroung the river's edge, and there's only a tiny place for it to be under the bridge, then it's not near the road at all later"
[Hugo] Recchi says, "(And by saying "it will take more than a sec" I mean that it looks like there are some variables to add. Not that it is complicated.)"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "they could build a boardwalk, but that would cost millions of dollars"
[robmumble] Rob says, "when I saw this evil seed I said, 'damn, maybe I got it' and then waited to see"
[Austin] olethros says, "oh I see"
[Hugo] Ellison asks, "yeah, Pinner's marriage. how about that? where's that going to be?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but it's been 9 hours since then and my ear hasn't swelled up again"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "they are bulding a boardwalk in one place where they made you hike on the sidewalk along Riverside Dr"
[Hugo] Recchi says, "It's in Myrtle Beach on... Sunday, I think."
[Hugo] Johnny says, "North Carolina."
[robmumble] Rob says, "which is the longest it hasn't swelled up for 2 and a half weeks"
[Hugo] Recchi says, "I get in on Saturday and leave Monday morning."
[Hugo] Johnny says, "To really rub in the salt."
[Hugo] Recchi exclaims, "I get to meet Gerrit/"ChainGangGuy" for the first time ever, which is very exciting!"
[Austin] Rob says, "I read about that development in the chronicle but I haven't been down to that area at all lately"
[Hugo] Ellison says, "nice"
[Austin] olethros says, "but here, when there is a narrow road next to a walking path, they usually have some kind of barrier"
[Hugo] Johnny says, "This season of Eastbound and Down was in Myrtle Beach, I hear."
[Hugo] Ellison says, "I feel bad for how much of a failure the Fatass Challenge became"
[Austin] olethros says, "plus, the swiss are usually very tedious drivers"
[robmumble] Tale asks (of rob), "I have a clot-like thing in my upper ear that's utterly harmless, maybe you had something similar that blocked a blood vessel?"
[Austin] jenrexrode exclaims, "well the governor only nearly got killed by tht dumptruck, and they made no modifications.  and then he went on to be the president of the united states!"
[Austin] Rob says, "the hike & bike trail follows the course of the river (also called town lake, also called lady bird lake), which also some main thoroughfares also follow"
[Austin] Rob asks, "wait, what dumptruck governor killer was this?"
[Austin] jenrexrode asks, "oh you don't remeber George W Bush nearly getting hit there?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah, or kept it open and unable to heal and seal itself"
[robmumble] Rob says, "until I squeezed the fucker out"
[Hugo] Recchi says, "We all do. I had a tooth taklen out today and I ate three goddamn Klondike bars, because I couldn't eat solid food."
[Hugo] Recchi says, "I feel like a monster."
[robmumble] Rob says, "sorry for the language but I'm hating on this thing by now"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and glad it's (hopefully) gone from my body"
[Austin] jenrexrode | http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/fitcity/entries/2012/05/08/thengov_bush_involved_in_1999.html?cxntfid=blogs_fit_city
[Austin] Rob says, "wow what a url"
[robmumble] Tale says, "I can imagine"
[Austin] Rob says, "we didn't have urls back in the good ol days"
[Austin] Rob says, "we had to retype everything by hand and we liked it that way"
[Austin] jenrexrode | Then Gov. George W. Bush was involved in an accident in 1999 while running on the hike-and-bike trail around Lady Bird Lake at nearly the same spot where two pedestrians were struck by a car that jumped the curb last night.
[Hugo] Recchi exclaims, "OK better get some sleep, later all. And thanks again for the HxE stuff, Ellison!"
[Austin] Rob says, "huhh"
[Hugo] Tale says, "Night fatty!"
[Austin] olethros says, "ok, no barrier? wtf"
[Austin] Rob says, "there's no barriers yeah"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "not til someone dies"
[Austin] Rob says, "come to austin and see for yourself"
[Austin] olethros says, "reactive security"
[Austin] Rob says, "yeah arg"
</Olly> departs for the Torrible Zone.
[Austin] Rob says, "well it's been like this for a long time without a car hitting people"
[Austin] olethros says, "this looks totally nuts. Anyway."
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "then we'll have the nameless-81-year-old-man memorial bollards"
[Austin] Rob says, "ok from the photo way down I know exactly what spot this is"
[Austin] Rob says, "hee hee bollards"
[Austin] olethros | Bedford said he saw Bush in the clear but ?the other guy was reaching his hand up out of the debris.??
[Austin] olethros says, "helm hand"
[robmumble] Tale says, "Seed-like thing has me imagining the whole thing like a japanese horror movie."
[Hugo] Ellison says, "no problem. later, man."
[Austin] Rob says, "wow, back when Bush was just the 'republican front-runner', and for governor, not even president"
[Austin] Rob says, "and I see it says that he 'dived away'"
[Austin] Rob says, "his cat-like reflexes being on display later on when he expertly dodged the shoe thrown at him"
[Austin] olethros says, "indeed"
[robmumble] olethros asks, "well, how did you squeeze it? was it outside?"
Field set.
[robmumble] Rob says, "two different doctors cut a scalpel slit in my ear in the past week"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "no, he was governer running for president"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it's been a recent enough opening that I could squeeze on it like a pimple and have the excess blood gursh out of it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "but today I gurshed it by squeezing and resqueezing my entire ear and it kept blowing more and more stuff out of it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "which I wasn't fortified to do before now but I'd had enough of it so I went for it"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and at one of those squeezes this weird shiny jellybean like thing dislodged"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "hm, so it's been in there since you were a kid and..."
[Austin] Rob says, "ah yeah reading more of the article that's true"
[Austin] Rob says, "also I forgot the timetable"
[Austin] jenrexrode says, "ila#rob"
[robmumble] Rob says, "no it's only been here since two sundays ago"
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[robmumble] Rob says, "which is when I suddenly had this instinct to feel both of my ears and one felt strangely fatter than the other"
[robmumble] Rob says, "then it became this acute thing I had to deal with"
[robmumble] Tale asks, "Could it be cartilage?"
[robmumble] Rob says, "then eventually my mother saw it and ordered me to go to the emergency room because it scared her"
[robmumble] jenrexrode says, "like when homer pushed that crayon up his nose"
[robmumble] BrenBarn says, "grody"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it has been massively grody"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and now I'm a guy who's experienced personal grodiness and has lived to tell the tell, making me a more seasoned guy"
[robmumble] Rob says, "er, tell the tale"
[robmumble] BrenBarn says, "it builds character"
[robmumble] Rob says, "indeed it actually does I'm afraid"
[robmumble] Tale says, "It's a bit weird, but my mind just formed a semi-complete horror story based on this"
[robmumble] jenrexrode exclaims, "hooray for sucky stuff that made me who i am today!"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah like I said I'm filing it away to write it into something eventually"
[robmumble] Tale says, "Like that octopus attack"
[robmumble] Tale says (to rob), "Well, now I am too! :-)"
[robmumble] Rob (to jen) )
[robmumble] Rob says, "er :)"
[robmumble] Rob says, "the worst part was last friday"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it was the most cronenbergian adventure of the whole ordeal"
marc in the land of the lounge lizards.
[robmumble] Rob says, "also a bit like chekov in star trek 2"
Ellison says, "morning, marc"
[robmumble] Rob says, "and what I was referring to on facebook where I swore in german and said that now I know what a badass I am when required"
marc says, "morning ellison"
jenrexrode says, "hi marc with a c"
Johnny says, "Hi marc"
[robmumble] Tale says, "It's a good language for cursing"
marc says, "jenrexrode with an e and johnny with an ehhhh"
[robmumble] Rob says, "also a bit like in the first Matrix movie where they have Neo in a taxi and pull a creepy bug out of his insides"
Tale asks (of Ellison), "Isn't it terribly late where you are?"
Johnny says, "noooo"
marc says (to tale), "i think you mean GLORIOUSLY"
marc says, "let's be positive people."
[robmumble] Rob says, "Scheisse is a good word to have in one's vocab"
Johnny says, "It's only 12:30 where Ellison is."
Tale says (to marc), "I never mean all caps, young man"
marc says, "but it's 4.30am where ellison isn't"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it has the benefit of being completely benign to only-english-speaking-people"
Johnny says, "He'll be sitting down for lunch in no time."
Ellison says, "no, it's 1:34 am here"
[robmumble] Tale says, "I also think Verdammt! is much better then Damn!"
Johnny asks (of Ellison), "Damn, really?"
Ellison says, "yup!"
[whiz-games] Whizzard stretches.
[robmumble] Rob says, "also, there was one star trek:tng episode where Picard said, 'merde!' to some catastrophe"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "beebl."
marc says, "gosh"
[whiz-games] Rob says, "whizzo"
[robmumble] Tale says, "Back when he was french"
[robmumble] Rob says, "Verdammt! is pretty awesome\"
[robmumble] Rob says, "yeah"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "I let someone misprounce my name, and now he's done it 3 more times, and now I want him to quit, but I'm too embarrassed to admit I let him be wrong for so long."
borowski says (to Johnny), "It's 2:35 here!"
[robmumble] Rob says, "it's season 1 or 2, pretty early"
[apropos-of-nothing] marc asks, "jenrexrode with an i?"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob asks, "how is he mispronouncing it?"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "also, I can relate"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "rexrod"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "when I was in film school in LA"
[apropos-of-nothing] Johnny asks (of Rob), "Robe?"
[robmumble] Tale says, "I also say "Mein leben!" when hit"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "I lived in this dorm"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "and there was this guy who was otherwise a nice guy but an obvious doofus named Eric"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "and we introduced ourselves for a first time"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "then the next time he saw me he called me Ron instead of Rob"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "then for the next year and a half no matter what I said he called me Ron"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "which made me dislike him more every time"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "but I also heard him horribly mispronounce another guy's name (and noted that that guy took offense but was also unwilling to correct Eric the same as I was)"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "There was girl who would mix up me and my best friend, Mirco (we are both tall and skinny)"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "it was one of those things where I wished I'd corrected him that first time he said the wrong name, because after that there was no correcting him"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "'did you know that silent e turns a rod into a rode?'"
[apropos-of-nothing] Johnny says (to Mirco), "That sounds terrible."
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "And at one point he had enough and said: "Marius is the good-looking one, dammit""
[apropos-of-nothing] marc says, "those things get more awkward"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "my own style of talking to people is to not say their names if I have even the slightest doubt about what their name is or how they prefer it to be spoken"
[apropos-of-nothing] marc says, "the caretaker in our old block of flats mistakenly thought my name was matt (biblical confusion)"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "And she said to him: "No, you are!" and suddenly blushed like I've never seen anyone blush before"
[apropos-of-nothing] marc says, "he called me matt for about 3 years until corrected by someone else -- which was embarrassing"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "and I don't get people who don't have this gate on their interactions"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Heya"
[whiz-games] Whizzard asks, "How goes?"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "I found it a great opener with some people at pax"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale asks, ""Hey, I always wondered, do you pronounce it "Jacques" or "Jack", Jacq?"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "I contrived to have someone call me Rob in front of Eric, but it still didn't do the trick"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "if he'd use my first name, there'd be no doubt, but he's calling me "Ms Rexrod""
[apropos-of-nothing] marc says (to tale), "i thought you meant: 'hey, i'm marius, the good looking one damnit'"
[whiz-games] Rob says, "ok, except I'm old enough to have weird health problems now"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says (to jen), "gr sux"
[whiz-games] Rob asks, "relateable?"
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ghira says, "meep"
Rob says, "gmornin ghira"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says (to marc), "Well, he was joking"
[apropos-of-nothing] marc says, "oh"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "I mean, I am obviously the good.-looking one, I mean c'mon, but he'd never admit it"
[apropos-of-nothing] Johnny says, "Jen Rockyrode."
ghira says, "robble"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "i like it"
Rob says, "I'm reminded now that I have to finish watching The Face of Evil"
ghira exclaims (at rob), "I'm not sure how to take that!"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale asks (of jen), "is it pronounced "Rexroad"?"
jenrexrode says, "haha"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "yeah"
Rob says, "just random drwho ness"
ghira says, "yes I realise that really"
Rob says, "yes me too"
Johnny says, "Hi ghira"
marc says, "while we're keeping score: i didn't"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "it's one of those Americanizations of Rexroth"
marc says, "also, hey hey ghira"
ghira says, "hey hey marcx"
ghira says, "er marc"
Rob says, "I recently bought drwho episodes (something like this) 89, 90, 91, which is The Deadly Assassin and the first two Leela stories"
Rob says, "but I've only gotten partway through the lot"
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[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "so some branches spell it Rexroad"
ghira asks, "how early in Leela's run was horror of fang rock?"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "those branches are weird and way off"
Rob says, "I dunno, probably late in her season"
Johnny asks, "So, how quickly does the doctor go through companions?"
ghira says, "varies a lot"
Rob says, "I've never seen any leela episodes except Weng-Chiang before now"
[whiz-games] Whizzard says, "Yeah. I get weird stuff one in awhile."
Rob says, "which is a lot of doctor who yet to be seen"
ghira says (to johnny), "anything from so brief it's not clear they count (Adam, Sara Kingdom) to 7 years"
Rob says, "some stay for just a year, some are around for 2 or 3 seasons at most"
Rob asks, "who's sara kingdom?"
ghira says, "..rob exactly"
Rob asks, "7 years? who?"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "all supposed to come from the same rittergut"
Johnny says (to Rob), "Yes, Who."
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "yeah but some are more rad than others"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode exclaims, "yay!"
ghira asks (of rob), "maybe not 7. how long did Sarah Jane last first time round?"
Rob says, "about 3"
ghira says (to rob), "ah ok"
Rob says, "which was the record for a long while"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale asks, "Huh, Rittergut. Do you know what that means?"
ghira says (to rob), "sara kingdom was in "The Dalek Master Plan" so probably doesn't count"
Rob says, "hm, of the modern series, Rose was only there for 2, and Amy Pond only for kinda 3"
Rob says, "hm that's another one I haven't seen"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "uhm, i forget, it's like a place"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob asks (of Tale), "do you know what that means?"
ghira asks (of rob), "but how long did e.g. Katarina last?"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "images show a bunch of buildings with a courtyard"
Rob says (to ghira), "geez, dunno. I haven't seen her either, although I've read about her a bunch"
Rob says, "sarah jane was the olympic champion as far as I knew"
ghira says, "Adam doesn't seem to count as a companion most of the time yet he was in two stories and travelled in the TARDIS"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "A knight's castle"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob asks, "really?"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "why doesn't gut mean good"
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[apropos-of-nothing] Rob asks, "what does Ritter mean? castle?"
[apropos-of-nothing] olethros says, "#belated french speakers always call my Kristof no mater how many times I correct them"
[apropos-of-nothing] olethros says, "*me"
ghira says, "I've seen very little of 1 and 2"
[apropos-of-nothing] Rob says, "or knight"
ghira says, "what I have, mostly thanks to Graham I think"
[apropos-of-nothing] Ellison says, "yeah, Knight"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says (to christoph), "Aw, damn french"
[apropos-of-nothing] olethros says, "ritter -> rider"
Rob says, "taking it to #drwho"
[drwho] Rob says, "I've seen..."
[apropos-of-nothing] olethros says, "(yes, that's how I learn german)"
[drwho] ghira says, "I've read lots of the Target novelizations, which I realise aren't necessarily the same as the TV versions"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "Ritter = Knight gut = In this case, manor, castle, feudal estate"
[apropos-of-nothing] Ellison says, "in Gabriel Knight, the old family name is Ritter. videogames can't be wrong."
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "Gut can also means good"
[drwho] Rob says, "unearthly child, tribe of gum, the daleks, the time meddler"
[apropos-of-nothing] olethros asks, "gut = estate?"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "Yeah"
[drwho] Rob says, "the mind robber, the seeds of doom, the dominators, the war games"
[apropos-of-nothing] Johnny asks, "Guten Tagen, Talen. Wien bisten duen?"
[drwho] ghira says, "I've seen "The Web Planet""
[drwho] Rob says, "and then blah blah blah"
[drwho] ghira says, "brain scrub needed after that"
[drwho] Rob says, "oh, tomb of cybermen"
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode asks, "I think they made arms or armor for the red king?"
[tangent] BrenBarn says, "since #apropos-of-nothing is occupied:"
[tangent] BrenBarn | http://undocument.tumblr.com/post/22438734072/via-afternoon-endurance-slackstack
[drwho] Rob says, "and part of one episode of the hartnell story with people in terrible bee costumes"
[drwho] ghira says, "I've see The Krotons. War Games."
[drwho] ghira says, "terrible bee costumes = web planet, yes"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale asks (of johnny), "Guten Tag, Tale. Wie geht es dir?"
[drwho] Rob says, "which is personally responsible for my local PBS station cancelling doctor who, because the fund drive got no calls"
[drwho] ghira says, "well, yeah. it's pretty shocking"
[drwho] Rob says, "which was a tragic and traumatic event just as I was getting into the series"
[apropos-of-nothing] Johnny says, "Hm. I see your point, but Talen is cooler. Or Talon even."
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode says, "Guten Tag was the German language show on TV when I was a kid"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "Talon is my furry name."
[apropos-of-nothing] olethros says, "ha ha"
[drwho] Rob says, "but I do remember watching the people at the fund drive in between episodes sitting forlornly in front of non-ringing telephones"
[drwho] ghira says, "if you pay us we'll screen a different story instead"
[drwho] olethros asks, "fund drive ?"
[apropos-of-nothing] Johnny says, "Your pelzig name."
[apropos-of-nothing] jenrexrode asks (of Tale), "you have a fursonality?"
[drwho] ghira says (to olethros), "apparently PBS stations appeal to the public for funds"
[drwho] Rob says, "going back to an earlier comment, I got a lot of my early who fandom out of reading the books rather than seeing the shows"
[drwho] ghira says, "showing web planet seems like a bad way to get people to want to make you continue doing stuff"
[drwho] Rob says, "yeah"
[drwho] ghira says, "well I watched the new stuff live from late pertwee onwards and got books of the earlier stuff"
[drwho] Rob says, "well, it was like this"
[drwho] Rob says, "they had prospered for years showing tom baker episodes"
[drwho] ghira says, "since in the mid to late 70s there wasn't any alternative"
[drwho] Rob says, "then did pretty well showing davison episodes up to caves of androzani"
[drwho] Rob says, "then they decided to start at the begninning with what hartnell and troughton episodes were available at that time"
[drwho] Rob says, "which, in 1986 or so, was fewer than are extant today"
[drwho] olethros says, "(a lot of this seems to be this woman recilining in a couch)"
[drwho] olethros says, "(yay, net webs"
[drwho] Rob says, "and then they had that horrible failure of a fund drive, which meant that they couldn't afford it after their current contract, and drwho was the most expensive show they were buying from the BBC"
[drwho] Rob says, "so they showed hartnell and troughton and all of pertwee and the first season of tom baker, none of which I'd ever seen"
[apropos-of-nothing] Johnny says, "Pelzinality."
[drwho] ghira asks, "all of pertwee?"
[drwho] Rob says, "then on christmas day 1986, they showed the last episode of pyramids of mars, then never showed drwho again"
[drwho] ghira asks, "some in B&W then? hadn't they lost some colour pertwees?"
[drwho] olethros says, "(ooo bee costumes)"
[drwho] Rob says, "and I didn't see drwho again for years"
[drwho] Rob says, "yeah but they had b&w pertwees"
[drwho] Rob says, "some of which are now in colour"
[drwho] ghira says, "so I understand"
[apropos-of-nothing] Tale says, "No"
[drwho] Rob says, "and in Austin, TX, they never showed drwho locally ever again. I only saw it because I went to california for college"
[drwho] Rob says, "until the modern Russell T Davies episodes started appearing"
[apropos-of-nothing] olethros says, "Pelzenlichkeit"
[drwho] Rob says, "hey, this is a good time to promote this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5CJ2UDrj2A "
[drwho] Rob says, "which is about me and about drwho"